1 00:00:19,551 --> 00:00:21,033 Good morning, viewers. 2 00:00:21,034 --> 00:00:22,792 We're now live at the New York City Marathon 3 00:00:22,793 --> 00:00:25,758 where over two and a half million people gathered to watch the race. 4 00:00:26,965 --> 00:00:29,309 My goal for this marathon is simply to finish. 5 00:00:29,310 --> 00:00:30,724 If I can do it, you can do it. 6 00:00:32,379 --> 00:00:34,895 It was 2010. 7 00:00:34,896 --> 00:00:37,585 I had lost touch with Jared. 8 00:00:37,586 --> 00:00:42,448 He was tired of me not meeting him in person... 9 00:00:45,310 --> 00:00:49,654 But I never let my guard down because I was sure... 10 00:00:49,655 --> 00:00:53,000 that Jared Fogle was an active pedophile. 11 00:00:54,241 --> 00:00:58,517 So the public and my children were at risk. 12 00:01:03,103 --> 00:01:08,274 I wanted to warn people so people could protect their children 13 00:01:08,275 --> 00:01:09,964 You know, I speak to children all over the country, 14 00:01:09,965 --> 00:01:12,033 and actually, all over the world now. 15 00:01:12,034 --> 00:01:17,137 There were times that I just wanted to shout out over the airways. 16 00:01:25,655 --> 00:01:26,965 Sorry. 17 00:01:31,379 --> 00:01:33,827 Sorry. I didn't expect that. 18 00:01:38,965 --> 00:01:42,999 I was prevented from talking by the FBI. 19 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,655 And I couldn't take it anymore. 20 00:01:50,103 --> 00:01:52,757 At this point, I went to the local authorities, 21 00:01:52,758 --> 00:01:54,620 the Sarasota Police Department. 22 00:01:58,724 --> 00:02:00,930 I turned in the FBI... 23 00:02:00,931 --> 00:02:05,550 for not doing their due diligence to close this case 24 00:02:05,551 --> 00:02:08,172 with the evidence that I had provided. I felt there was enough. 25 00:02:10,206 --> 00:02:12,136 It's kind of a bit of a crazy move, though, isn't it? 26 00:02:12,137 --> 00:02:14,136 You taking on the FBI? 27 00:02:14,137 --> 00:02:16,688 Doing the right thing is important to me. 28 00:02:16,689 --> 00:02:18,896 And that's what I thought I was doing. 29 00:02:26,689 --> 00:02:28,758 My name is Chris Catanzaro. 30 00:02:30,310 --> 00:02:34,586 I used to be a detective with the Sarasota City Police Department. 31 00:02:42,310 --> 00:02:45,550 On May 13th, 2010, 32 00:02:45,551 --> 00:02:48,551 Miss. Rochelle Herman came in to the station. 33 00:02:50,586 --> 00:02:54,274 I spoke with her about Jared Fogle. 34 00:02:54,275 --> 00:03:00,999 Her chief concern at that time was that he was gonna hurt children, including her own. 35 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,102 And she felt like we needed to get this guy off the street. 36 00:03:05,103 --> 00:03:09,999 She had already contacted the FBI, felt that it wasn't moving fast enough. 37 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,654 And I think she wanted an audience to believe her and do something. 38 00:03:15,655 --> 00:03:21,551 My firsts concern was, is this a person that's enamored with a celebrity. 39 00:03:23,068 --> 00:03:25,999 And then she showed us her evidence. 40 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,103 She had phone recordings, all kinds of information in reference to Mr. Fogle. 41 00:04:01,827 --> 00:04:03,206 Don't know? No. 42 00:04:06,379 --> 00:04:10,205 When I listened to Rochelle's tapes, I was shocked. 43 00:04:10,206 --> 00:04:14,343 I genuinely was shocked, because he comes across as a clean-cut guy. 44 00:04:14,344 --> 00:04:17,067 But, predators come in many shapes, forms, 45 00:04:17,068 --> 00:04:21,103 and oftentimes, it can be people that we have a lot of respect for. 46 00:04:22,586 --> 00:04:25,861 I was very disturbed. I was concerned... 47 00:04:25,862 --> 00:04:29,240 that there could be a possibility that this man was going to do things. 48 00:04:33,103 --> 00:04:36,102 But because Mr. Fogle lived out of state, 49 00:04:36,103 --> 00:04:40,067 there'd been, as I knew, no crime committed in Sarasota. 50 00:04:40,068 --> 00:04:42,896 So we really couldn't do any kind of arrest. 51 00:04:44,275 --> 00:04:46,241 But we did take her seriously... 52 00:04:47,689 --> 00:04:51,033 And I spoke with Agent Billings at the FBI, 53 00:04:51,034 --> 00:04:55,793 and she did verify that there was an active investigation concerning Mr. Fogle. 54 00:04:58,068 --> 00:05:00,379 I was there for several hours. 55 00:05:01,517 --> 00:05:03,999 I told the detectives, 56 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,655 "I'm going to play my tapes on my radio show." 57 00:05:08,172 --> 00:05:12,930 I was going to reveal who Jared was, 58 00:05:12,931 --> 00:05:15,344 if they didn't do anything. 59 00:05:17,034 --> 00:05:19,619 I told her, "Don't do that. That would not be a good idea." 60 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:22,516 Broadcasting something like that can be very harmful to an investigation. 61 00:05:22,517 --> 00:05:25,585 Number one, it can scare the suspect off. 62 00:05:25,586 --> 00:05:29,343 And number two, it could cause problems for her. 63 00:05:29,344 --> 00:05:32,758 Somebody could come after her and maybe physically hurt her. 64 00:05:34,448 --> 00:05:38,723 I was frustrated and incredibly disappointed. 65 00:05:38,724 --> 00:05:43,655 But I agreed not to share the tapes publicly. 66 00:05:46,241 --> 00:05:50,516 I was allowed to leave the police station. 67 00:05:50,517 --> 00:05:53,275 And my head is just spinning. 68 00:05:55,413 --> 00:05:56,965 I felt as though... 69 00:05:59,206 --> 00:06:00,758 I am being watched. 70 00:06:03,275 --> 00:06:06,826 My wanting to turn evidence on the FBI, 71 00:06:06,827 --> 00:06:10,689 was I now someone to be questioned? 72 00:06:12,758 --> 00:06:14,205 Am I a loose cannon? 73 00:06:14,206 --> 00:06:17,240 Was... I someone not to be trusted? 74 00:06:17,241 --> 00:06:20,448 Was that a level of paranoia, or was there truth to that? 75 00:06:21,551 --> 00:06:22,551 I don't know. 76 00:06:28,137 --> 00:06:30,097 One evening I was on the air. 77 00:06:31,862 --> 00:06:36,274 It was about quarter to eleven or so, my show was about to end. 78 00:06:36,275 --> 00:06:37,275 And... 79 00:06:39,206 --> 00:06:40,862 There's two guys bangin' on the door. 80 00:06:43,241 --> 00:06:45,689 They had black suits with black sunglasses on. 81 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,516 It was right out of the movies. 82 00:06:48,517 --> 00:06:50,861 It was the 'men in black'. 83 00:06:50,862 --> 00:06:54,309 The FBI, they show me their badges. 84 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:56,550 And I said, "Can I help you guys?" 85 00:06:56,551 --> 00:06:58,757 They said, "Rochelle Herman, please." 86 00:06:58,758 --> 00:07:00,516 And they're like, "Who the hell are you?" 87 00:07:00,517 --> 00:07:02,861 I said, "I'm the station manager." 88 00:07:02,862 --> 00:07:04,826 And I'm on the air for another 15 minutes. 89 00:07:04,827 --> 00:07:07,999 "Thank you, we'll be back." And they turned and walked in unison. 90 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,448 It was bizarre. I'd never seen anything like that. 91 00:07:12,517 --> 00:07:15,792 So we wrapped up and zoomed across the street, 92 00:07:15,793 --> 00:07:18,274 and we watched from a bar. 93 00:07:18,275 --> 00:07:20,826 They were up there for almost two hours. 94 00:07:20,827 --> 00:07:23,309 They took computers, they took boxes, 95 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:26,343 they took stacks of printed out emails and texts. 96 00:07:26,344 --> 00:07:27,862 And they took a lot of stuff. 97 00:07:28,965 --> 00:07:34,033 The FBI, they raided the radio station. 98 00:07:34,034 --> 00:07:40,585 They raided my home to collect anything that I may not have turned over. 99 00:07:40,586 --> 00:07:43,412 They knew that I could tell the public at any moment 100 00:07:43,413 --> 00:07:45,000 about Jared. 101 00:07:46,724 --> 00:07:49,309 The FBI told me to stay quiet 102 00:07:49,310 --> 00:07:55,033 or I would be charged with impeding an on-going investigation. 103 00:07:55,034 --> 00:07:56,619 So I did. 104 00:07:56,620 --> 00:07:59,034 I had to step back. I had to become a ghost. 105 00:08:11,551 --> 00:08:15,550 The toll that working undercover for the FBI... 106 00:08:15,551 --> 00:08:18,620 had on my health was astronomical. 107 00:08:20,413 --> 00:08:24,447 The PTSD that I have experienced because of this, 108 00:08:24,448 --> 00:08:26,344 um, has been debilitating. 109 00:08:28,310 --> 00:08:31,585 I truly believe that... 110 00:08:31,586 --> 00:08:36,412 when someone undergoes such a stressful situation for so many years, 111 00:08:36,413 --> 00:08:39,310 it makes you susceptible to other things. 112 00:08:41,793 --> 00:08:45,792 In the fall of 2012, 113 00:08:45,793 --> 00:08:49,516 I was diagnosed with reflex sympathetic dystrophy, 114 00:08:49,517 --> 00:08:52,378 known as suicide disease, 115 00:08:52,379 --> 00:08:57,862 because it is the most painful chronic disease known to man. 116 00:09:00,379 --> 00:09:05,620 I was on incredible amounts of painkillers... 117 00:09:07,517 --> 00:09:09,172 and medications. 118 00:09:11,068 --> 00:09:13,861 My entire life changed. 119 00:09:13,862 --> 00:09:15,551 It cost me my career. 120 00:09:17,551 --> 00:09:20,723 I felt bad for Rochelle because she's a beautiful person. 121 00:09:20,724 --> 00:09:22,310 And she was in pretty bad shape. 122 00:09:24,620 --> 00:09:27,792 Seeing what she became, it was hard. 123 00:09:27,793 --> 00:09:30,999 The pain and all the stress, 124 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,378 and everything that's happened, 125 00:09:32,379 --> 00:09:34,689 she's completely different from who she was. 126 00:09:37,689 --> 00:09:39,688 It was a struggle every day. 127 00:09:39,689 --> 00:09:44,067 And I see Jared... living a wonderful life. 128 00:09:47,413 --> 00:09:50,067 - And he just got married. Congratulations. - Thank you very much. 129 00:09:50,068 --> 00:09:53,102 Yeah, it's been great so far. My first trip back on the road after being married. 130 00:09:53,103 --> 00:09:54,274 So, that's awesome. 131 00:09:54,275 --> 00:09:57,619 Jared was married to Katie McLaughlin. 132 00:09:57,620 --> 00:09:59,723 She seemed very nice, very sweet. 133 00:09:59,724 --> 00:10:04,033 From the outside, to me, their relationship was simple. 134 00:10:04,034 --> 00:10:08,619 Katie was very much the housewife, taking care of the kids. 135 00:10:08,620 --> 00:10:11,481 Jared was out making the money. 136 00:10:11,482 --> 00:10:13,861 This holiday season, Subway is celebrating you! 137 00:10:13,862 --> 00:10:16,447 Customer appreciation is back! 138 00:10:16,448 --> 00:10:21,033 But 2013, Jared had made about 300 commercials, 139 00:10:21,034 --> 00:10:23,688 and was worth 15 million dollars. 140 00:10:23,689 --> 00:10:26,102 Jared, Jared, I am your biggest fan. 141 00:10:26,103 --> 00:10:28,895 - You know, you're more handsome in person. - Thank you. 142 00:10:28,896 --> 00:10:31,343 Ever since the Prince of Jared commercial, 143 00:10:31,344 --> 00:10:35,930 I have followed everything that he has done ever since. 144 00:10:35,931 --> 00:10:37,309 How are you, buddy? 145 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:39,550 I was very happy for him. 146 00:10:39,551 --> 00:10:41,964 He seemed very humble, 147 00:10:41,965 --> 00:10:45,343 he didn't seem like he thought he was better than anybody else. 148 00:10:45,344 --> 00:10:47,343 He treated everybody with respect. 149 00:10:47,344 --> 00:10:49,205 How are you? 150 00:10:49,206 --> 00:10:52,447 He was just, uh, just a nice guy. 151 00:10:52,448 --> 00:10:55,688 - Over 200 pounds... - for 15 years... 152 00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:57,862 - Bravo! - Take a bow, Jared. 153 00:11:11,965 --> 00:11:13,689 My name's Chuck Cohen. 154 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:17,689 I was a Captain at the Indiana State Police. 155 00:11:20,172 --> 00:11:23,067 In mid to late 2014, I received a phone call from 156 00:11:23,068 --> 00:11:24,861 an Indiana State Trooper that I knew. 157 00:11:24,862 --> 00:11:29,205 He said that he had a friend who had been in communication 158 00:11:29,206 --> 00:11:32,655 with a man sending images that depicted bestiality. 159 00:11:34,172 --> 00:11:38,931 I made the decision to ask a investigator to get more information. 160 00:11:42,344 --> 00:11:46,343 Investigators uncovered electronic communication about sexual contact 161 00:11:46,344 --> 00:11:47,827 with an animal. 162 00:11:51,551 --> 00:11:53,447 At the time in Indiana, 163 00:11:53,448 --> 00:11:57,999 the possession of images and videos that depict bestiality is not a crime. 164 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,724 But the actual act of bestiality, that would be unlawful. 165 00:12:03,896 --> 00:12:06,586 Investigators determine that the electronic communication... 166 00:12:08,448 --> 00:12:11,102 was sent by Russell Taylor. 167 00:12:11,103 --> 00:12:14,619 Russell Taylor at the time was employed as executive director 168 00:12:14,620 --> 00:12:19,448 of the Jared Foundation owned and run by Jared Fogle, the Subway guy. 169 00:12:27,310 --> 00:12:30,895 Investigators serve a search warrant at Russell Taylor's house 170 00:12:30,896 --> 00:12:34,481 to collect evidence associated with bestiality. 171 00:12:34,482 --> 00:12:39,171 He was living in a, uh, very nice house in Central Indiana. 172 00:12:39,172 --> 00:12:45,964 By all external appearances, he was a very average upper-middle class person. 173 00:12:45,965 --> 00:12:48,895 Russell Taylor didn't have any criminal history whatsoever 174 00:12:48,896 --> 00:12:50,585 that we were aware of. 175 00:12:50,586 --> 00:12:55,171 Investigators did find images of an adult female 176 00:12:55,172 --> 00:12:57,826 in contact with an animal. 177 00:12:57,827 --> 00:13:01,895 And they identify the person in the images as Angie Taylor, 178 00:13:01,896 --> 00:13:03,034 Russell Taylor's wife. 179 00:13:05,793 --> 00:13:09,930 During the course of the search of Russell Taylor's house, 180 00:13:09,931 --> 00:13:14,344 investigators inadvertently discovered... hidden cameras... 181 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,640 built into things that look like something else, like a clock... 182 00:13:21,172 --> 00:13:23,103 in places like children's bedrooms. 183 00:13:36,068 --> 00:13:39,550 When he was interviewed by investigators one of the things Russell told them 184 00:13:39,551 --> 00:13:42,586 was he placed the cameras there, um, to prevent theft., , 185 00:13:44,068 --> 00:13:46,654 But the location of the cameras 186 00:13:46,655 --> 00:13:49,688 was inconsistent with what Russell Taylor's said. 187 00:13:49,689 --> 00:13:53,723 They were pointed towards places that were intimate to children. 188 00:13:53,724 --> 00:13:58,379 Placed towards beds, trying to record children when they were unclothed. 189 00:14:00,931 --> 00:14:02,447 One of the things investigators found 190 00:14:02,448 --> 00:14:06,137 were videos that appeared to be produced by those cameras... 191 00:14:07,655 --> 00:14:09,447 of children undressed, 192 00:14:09,448 --> 00:14:12,586 of children involved in some cases, in sex acts. 193 00:14:14,448 --> 00:14:17,378 Investigators see horrible things. 194 00:14:17,379 --> 00:14:21,516 In my experience, the videos that stick with me the most... 195 00:14:21,517 --> 00:14:23,103 are the ones where I've heard the audio. 196 00:14:25,482 --> 00:14:28,379 It's hearing the fear in the child's voice. 197 00:14:30,413 --> 00:14:32,033 The only thing that surpasses that 198 00:14:32,034 --> 00:14:34,413 is the horrors that the children themselves experience. 199 00:14:37,482 --> 00:14:40,723 When a child is the victim of production of child pornography, 200 00:14:40,724 --> 00:14:43,758 that will follow the child for their entire life. 201 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:48,654 After Russell was arrested, 202 00:14:48,655 --> 00:14:51,205 we had to talk to the FBI. 203 00:14:51,206 --> 00:14:57,205 I was a very traumatic... frozen state. 204 00:14:57,206 --> 00:14:59,931 I couldn't even believe what was happening to me. 205 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:04,378 They sat me down and told me... 206 00:15:04,379 --> 00:15:06,448 that there were cameras all throughout the house. 207 00:15:08,379 --> 00:15:13,102 They were everywhere. Russell, he was watching us. 208 00:15:13,103 --> 00:15:15,412 In the shower, watching us get dressed in our rooms, 209 00:15:15,413 --> 00:15:16,586 watching us masturbate. 210 00:15:18,517 --> 00:15:20,379 We were being watched 24/7. 211 00:15:22,241 --> 00:15:25,724 You just feel so dirty when you find something out like that. You just... 212 00:15:27,344 --> 00:15:31,310 It's just really hard to accept that that even happened. 213 00:15:33,517 --> 00:15:37,067 And the FBI showed us still images 214 00:15:37,068 --> 00:15:39,999 of just our faces... 215 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,378 The rest of the bodies were blocked out. 216 00:15:42,379 --> 00:15:46,412 I identified myself, I identified my sister. 217 00:15:46,413 --> 00:15:50,448 And then I had to identify some of my... closest friends. 218 00:15:52,689 --> 00:15:56,861 I think I was starting to reconcile... 219 00:15:56,862 --> 00:15:59,447 what was really going on. 220 00:15:59,448 --> 00:16:02,723 Everything that ever happened with Russell... 221 00:16:02,724 --> 00:16:04,551 finally made sense. 222 00:16:16,172 --> 00:16:18,378 When our mom met Russell Taylor, 223 00:16:18,379 --> 00:16:22,654 I was about ten, and Christian would have been about 13. 224 00:16:22,655 --> 00:16:25,205 It looked like we we all were doing well. 225 00:16:25,206 --> 00:16:30,067 We were going on vacations, we were moving on up in the world. 226 00:16:30,068 --> 00:16:32,964 But all of that was a facade, 227 00:16:32,965 --> 00:16:36,344 because our lives really started to take a turn for the worst. 228 00:16:39,103 --> 00:16:42,861 Your average teenager will get in trouble for drinking underage, 229 00:16:42,862 --> 00:16:45,171 and smoking weed. 230 00:16:45,172 --> 00:16:46,999 But it wasn't like that for us. 231 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,826 I was being introduced to all of that by my mom and Russell. 232 00:16:52,827 --> 00:16:56,585 We're throwing these parties and it's normal. 233 00:16:56,586 --> 00:16:58,586 They want us to, they encouraged us to. 234 00:17:03,448 --> 00:17:07,205 You don't know the difference between what is right and what is wrong 235 00:17:07,206 --> 00:17:11,309 because a trusted source who is supposed to be your parent, 236 00:17:11,310 --> 00:17:13,689 is telling you that it's okay. 237 00:17:15,137 --> 00:17:18,343 - You know. - The common quote in our home was, 238 00:17:18,344 --> 00:17:20,826 "Age is just a number." 239 00:17:20,827 --> 00:17:24,481 As long as you're mature enough to do it, you're gonna do it. 240 00:17:24,482 --> 00:17:29,688 I think that was... the seed that was planted. 241 00:17:29,689 --> 00:17:32,310 And that began the grooming process for us. 242 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:37,688 Allowing us to drink and smoke and party, 243 00:17:37,689 --> 00:17:40,826 made us vulnerable to talk about... 244 00:17:40,827 --> 00:17:42,551 sexual things. 245 00:17:44,689 --> 00:17:47,240 It didn't even have to be about you or I. 246 00:17:47,241 --> 00:17:50,274 It was about them. 247 00:17:50,275 --> 00:17:54,516 My mom's attitude to sexual behavior, 248 00:17:54,517 --> 00:17:56,310 it went from zero to a hundred. 249 00:17:57,620 --> 00:18:02,067 She would leave the room after giving Russell oral and come... 250 00:18:02,068 --> 00:18:05,275 tell me about it. Like, it was just very open. 251 00:18:07,724 --> 00:18:10,274 I remember I was 12 at the time, 252 00:18:10,275 --> 00:18:14,378 and Russell was telling me, "You should be having sex." 253 00:18:14,379 --> 00:18:16,240 You know, "You should be exploring your body." 254 00:18:16,241 --> 00:18:18,964 And I told him, no. 255 00:18:18,965 --> 00:18:22,723 And he proceeded to kind of make fun of me 256 00:18:22,724 --> 00:18:24,413 'cause I hadn't done those things. 257 00:18:26,620 --> 00:18:28,723 One day Russell texted me. 258 00:18:28,724 --> 00:18:32,481 He said, "Hey, I left something on your bed." 259 00:18:32,482 --> 00:18:35,827 I went up there and... there was a... dildo! 260 00:18:37,275 --> 00:18:40,275 And the computer pulled up with porn! 261 00:18:44,965 --> 00:18:47,033 It freaked me out. 262 00:18:47,034 --> 00:18:52,792 He's leaving this for me, so what am I supposed to do! 263 00:18:52,793 --> 00:18:57,930 I think Russell was doing all these things to catch us on camera. 264 00:18:57,931 --> 00:19:00,655 Literally setting up scenes... 265 00:19:02,068 --> 00:19:04,379 to put into his film. 266 00:19:06,275 --> 00:19:09,447 Russell Taylor is accused of recording underaged girls 267 00:19:09,448 --> 00:19:12,033 without their knowledge to produce porn. 268 00:19:12,034 --> 00:19:14,448 Taylor was in some of the images. 269 00:19:15,896 --> 00:19:19,792 When Russell Taylor was arrested in 2015, 270 00:19:19,793 --> 00:19:24,550 both Jared Fogle and Subway Corporation, uh, released statements. 271 00:19:24,551 --> 00:19:28,205 The statement that Jared Fogle released was... 272 00:19:28,206 --> 00:19:32,378 "I was shocked to learn of the disturbing allegations against Mr. Taylor. 273 00:19:32,379 --> 00:19:36,517 "Affect from immediately the Jared Foundation severed all ties with Mr. Taylor." 274 00:19:38,172 --> 00:19:40,481 The statement from Subway was... 275 00:19:40,482 --> 00:19:43,136 "We don't have any affiliation with the Foundation 276 00:19:43,137 --> 00:19:46,102 "and we were disgusted to hear about these claims. 277 00:19:46,103 --> 00:19:51,550 "We're glad Jared took quick action to severe all his ties with Mr. Taylor." 278 00:19:51,551 --> 00:19:56,964 I'm sure Subway was very concerned the day Russell Taylor was arrested. 279 00:19:56,965 --> 00:20:00,481 And I'm sure somebody somewhere at Subway just said... 280 00:20:00,482 --> 00:20:03,757 "God, please, don't let Jared Fogle be involved in this." 281 00:20:03,758 --> 00:20:07,206 What an inspiration! Subway, eat fresh. 282 00:20:10,344 --> 00:20:12,136 Through the course of the investigation, 283 00:20:12,137 --> 00:20:15,241 investigators found thousands of text messages. 284 00:20:17,034 --> 00:20:20,586 And also numerous images and videos of children... 285 00:20:23,517 --> 00:20:25,930 The image was horrible. 286 00:20:25,931 --> 00:20:30,379 Investigators were able to identify 12 victims. 287 00:20:32,344 --> 00:20:34,654 One of the things investigators were able to recover 288 00:20:34,655 --> 00:20:39,067 is Russell Taylor sent a image of a naked child 289 00:20:39,068 --> 00:20:42,309 to Jared Fogle. 290 00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:46,240 Russell Taylor, when interviewed told investigators 291 00:20:46,241 --> 00:20:50,965 Jared Fogle had actually gone out to dinner with that child victim. 292 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:56,550 Jared Fogle had the option of calling the police. 293 00:20:56,551 --> 00:20:58,792 He could have told Russell Taylor, 294 00:20:58,793 --> 00:21:01,102 "I don't want this Don't send anymore." 295 00:21:01,103 --> 00:21:02,383 Or he could've done what he did. 296 00:21:12,034 --> 00:21:13,757 My name is Steven Debrota. 297 00:21:13,758 --> 00:21:18,033 Back in 2014, I was an assistant US attorney. 298 00:21:18,034 --> 00:21:22,930 When I saw the text message that featured a minor he knew in real life... 299 00:21:22,931 --> 00:21:26,033 we began the investigation of Jared Fogle. 300 00:21:26,034 --> 00:21:29,344 If there's one piece of evidence like that, there could be more. 301 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,930 Russell Taylor, when interviewed, claimed 302 00:21:33,931 --> 00:21:36,033 that some, some of his criminal behavior was motivated 303 00:21:36,034 --> 00:21:40,688 by a desire to produce child pornography for Jared Fogle. 304 00:21:40,689 --> 00:21:43,378 We know from other communications that at one point 305 00:21:43,379 --> 00:21:46,723 a thumb drive and a laptop computer containing child pornography, 306 00:21:46,724 --> 00:21:48,274 both commercial and homemade, 307 00:21:48,275 --> 00:21:51,930 was given from Russell Taylor to Jared Fogle. 308 00:21:51,931 --> 00:21:55,965 So we develop enough information to get a search warrant for Jared's home. 309 00:21:58,689 --> 00:22:00,827 So the morning of July 7th... 310 00:22:02,241 --> 00:22:04,522 investigators met at about five o'clock in the morning. 311 00:22:06,344 --> 00:22:10,343 Most of the officers were not aware of the location they were gonna search. 312 00:22:10,344 --> 00:22:14,723 Our entire goal was to do this as discreetly as possible 313 00:22:14,724 --> 00:22:17,757 with as little media attention as possible. 314 00:22:17,758 --> 00:22:19,413 Uh, that was unsuccessful. 315 00:22:21,103 --> 00:22:23,688 Developing story out of Indiana... 316 00:22:23,689 --> 00:22:28,964 FBI agents raiding the home of Subway spokesman, Jared Fogle. 317 00:22:28,965 --> 00:22:31,343 I'm shocked to say the least. 318 00:22:31,344 --> 00:22:33,412 When I first saw that something was happening with Jared. 319 00:22:33,413 --> 00:22:35,964 Over the 25 years of my career, 320 00:22:35,965 --> 00:22:39,619 there was more media attention at this than any other investigation. 321 00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:42,516 You know, people flocked their cameras from TV. 322 00:22:42,517 --> 00:22:47,136 Our reporters, our photographers. It was a classic media circus. 323 00:22:47,137 --> 00:22:50,999 I don't think anyone understood the full scope of what was going on. 324 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,310 But when the truth came out, it shocked the nation to its core. 325 00:23:11,793 --> 00:23:15,171 I received a phone call from a friend of mine. 326 00:23:15,172 --> 00:23:17,412 "You need to turn on the news now." 327 00:23:17,413 --> 00:23:19,654 Investigators start at around 6:30 in the morning. 328 00:23:19,655 --> 00:23:22,792 They went through the home. In fact, we see a video of them coming out 329 00:23:22,793 --> 00:23:25,136 with hard drives and computers. 330 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:28,482 Jared's house was being raided. 331 00:23:29,793 --> 00:23:32,862 I was shocked. Oh, my gosh. It's actually happening. 332 00:23:34,103 --> 00:23:37,378 I just don't think the FBI raids people for no reason. 333 00:23:37,379 --> 00:23:41,343 Only thing I ever see around this home are happy people 334 00:23:41,344 --> 00:23:43,757 doing their yard, waving. 335 00:23:43,758 --> 00:23:47,033 So I'm shocked and upset, of course, and saddened. 336 00:23:47,034 --> 00:23:48,895 The FBI will only say that 337 00:23:48,896 --> 00:23:51,793 an investigation is taking place in Zionville. 338 00:23:53,413 --> 00:23:55,053 Jared, you got anything to say? 339 00:23:55,965 --> 00:23:58,033 We wanna stress that he is not being arrested. 340 00:23:58,034 --> 00:24:01,724 He has not been charged, but again, it is an on-going investigation. 341 00:24:03,241 --> 00:24:05,481 Investigators found digital devices. 342 00:24:05,482 --> 00:24:09,516 Cellphones, USB drives, several computers. 343 00:24:09,517 --> 00:24:13,999 5.6 terabytes of information had to be reviewed... 344 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,412 to see whether or not there was other evidence 345 00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:17,758 or other crimes were committed. 346 00:24:19,724 --> 00:24:22,793 That very day that the news broke, 347 00:24:23,931 --> 00:24:28,654 I contacted our local station, ABC7. 348 00:24:28,655 --> 00:24:32,067 I felt it was important to get my story out there 349 00:24:32,068 --> 00:24:35,137 and reveal the monster behind the doors. 350 00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:40,999 I remember my assignment manager saying, 351 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,171 "Max, I may have something for you." 352 00:24:43,172 --> 00:24:48,378 And she tells me about this woman who tipped off the FBI 353 00:24:48,379 --> 00:24:53,136 on Jared Fogle and something to do with child pornography. 354 00:24:53,137 --> 00:24:57,241 And I'm like, okay, is this just some kook woman trying to, to get attention. 355 00:24:58,827 --> 00:25:03,792 So, I call Rochelle, and she tells me her story. 356 00:25:03,793 --> 00:25:07,895 I didn't know whether to trust this woman. 357 00:25:07,896 --> 00:25:12,412 So I am contacting sources and I will say, 358 00:25:12,413 --> 00:25:16,447 I felt very comfortable that she was telling the truth. 359 00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:20,481 So, we did an interview with her. 360 00:25:20,482 --> 00:25:25,619 Did he mention to you that he in fact did have relations with, with underage children? 361 00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:27,792 Yes, he did. Yes, he did. 362 00:25:27,793 --> 00:25:30,964 Jared Fogle to you is what? 363 00:25:30,965 --> 00:25:32,482 Is a monster. 364 00:25:34,586 --> 00:25:37,343 When Rochelle's news broke, I didn't believe it at first. 365 00:25:37,344 --> 00:25:39,033 I thought it wasn't true. 366 00:25:39,034 --> 00:25:43,861 Because Jared Fogle was considered one of the most trusted people in the country. 367 00:25:43,862 --> 00:25:47,930 In the public's eye I think people were still siding with Fogle 368 00:25:47,931 --> 00:25:49,344 and believing that he'd been duped. 369 00:25:50,724 --> 00:25:52,792 A lot of cases involving famous people 370 00:25:52,793 --> 00:25:54,309 don't go the right way. 371 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:59,067 In his particular case, he had fame and he has money. 372 00:25:59,068 --> 00:26:02,895 So, we had the concern that Fogle was gonna be one more celebrity 373 00:26:02,896 --> 00:26:04,206 that would get away with it. 374 00:26:06,862 --> 00:26:08,723 Everyone's still waiting for investigators 375 00:26:08,724 --> 00:26:12,551 to give some comments about what they may have found during this investigation. 376 00:26:14,448 --> 00:26:16,516 After the search of his residence, 377 00:26:16,517 --> 00:26:19,171 we had to do painstaking analysis 378 00:26:19,172 --> 00:26:21,412 of what digital evidence was there. 379 00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:26,171 My conclusion was that Jared Fogle was fully involved in criminal activity 380 00:26:26,172 --> 00:26:27,585 with Russell Taylor. 381 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:30,274 My question was, was I gonna be able to hold him accountable 382 00:26:30,275 --> 00:26:32,688 for the totality of what he did. 383 00:26:32,689 --> 00:26:36,585 And that wasn't clear to me until we saw all of the text messages that we got 384 00:26:36,586 --> 00:26:38,172 as a result of searching his house. 385 00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:41,274 The texts showed 386 00:26:41,275 --> 00:26:44,034 Jared Fogle was very good at maintaining his double life. 387 00:26:46,758 --> 00:26:51,102 He would travel around the United States for Subway. 388 00:26:51,103 --> 00:26:53,619 We know he was in Las Vegas, 389 00:26:53,620 --> 00:26:57,516 Florida, and New York City. 390 00:26:57,517 --> 00:27:00,067 But when he's not in public, 391 00:27:00,068 --> 00:27:02,827 when he's by himself in the hotel room... 392 00:27:04,344 --> 00:27:07,655 Jared Fogle spent 12,000 a year on sex-workers. 393 00:27:14,689 --> 00:27:19,103 Then he would ask if they had access to any underage prostituting minors. 394 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:29,931 He successfully had sex with prostituting minors on multiple occasions... 395 00:27:33,344 --> 00:27:36,033 at the Plaza Hotel, just off Central Park 396 00:27:36,034 --> 00:27:38,689 and also at the Ritz Carlton in Manhattan. 397 00:27:43,344 --> 00:27:46,516 The two prostituting minors in New York were sixteen years of age, 398 00:27:46,517 --> 00:27:50,792 and we call that, travelling over a Stateline to engage in unlawful sex with a minor. 399 00:27:50,793 --> 00:27:53,343 That's a federal crime. 400 00:27:53,344 --> 00:27:58,481 So, at the end of the day we charged him with conspiring with Russell Taylor 401 00:27:58,482 --> 00:28:01,792 to distribute and receive child pornography. 402 00:28:01,793 --> 00:28:05,551 And also, victimizing prostituted minors in New York. 403 00:28:06,965 --> 00:28:09,516 Jared Fogle was searched in July of 2015, 404 00:28:09,517 --> 00:28:12,205 and he was pleading guilty by August. 405 00:28:12,206 --> 00:28:13,481 The face of Subway 406 00:28:13,482 --> 00:28:15,654 has gone from being famous to being infamous 407 00:28:15,655 --> 00:28:17,240 for something much more sinister. 408 00:28:17,241 --> 00:28:21,550 Jared Fogle pleading guilty to child pornography charges, 409 00:28:21,551 --> 00:28:23,654 and other shocking sex crimes. 410 00:28:23,655 --> 00:28:27,447 He paid to have sex with victims that he knew were kids. 411 00:28:27,448 --> 00:28:29,171 Hey, Jared... 412 00:28:29,172 --> 00:28:33,688 When Jared Fogle first pleaded guilty, it sent shock waves. 413 00:28:33,689 --> 00:28:35,378 No one could believe it. 414 00:28:35,379 --> 00:28:38,585 What we were able to determine was there were 14 victims 415 00:28:38,586 --> 00:28:42,965 and all of them were subjected to very serious federal crimes. 416 00:28:45,413 --> 00:28:49,516 The guy on the radio said, "Big trouble for Jared from Subway." 417 00:28:49,517 --> 00:28:53,033 And I listened to him, and I'm like, "Oh, my God. They got him. They got him." 418 00:28:53,034 --> 00:28:55,033 Let's call this what it is. 419 00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:58,619 This is about using wealth, status and secrecy 420 00:28:58,620 --> 00:29:01,895 to illegally exploit children. 421 00:29:01,896 --> 00:29:04,136 We were just shocked. 422 00:29:04,137 --> 00:29:09,240 We just couldn't comprehend that, that this story was really true. 423 00:29:09,241 --> 00:29:12,447 He had a family, he had children. 424 00:29:12,448 --> 00:29:15,826 And then to just throw it away like that, is just... 425 00:29:15,827 --> 00:29:17,896 It makes me angry and it makes me sad. 426 00:29:19,413 --> 00:29:21,412 I felt sick to my stomach. 427 00:29:21,413 --> 00:29:24,240 I felt weird about knowing the guy. 428 00:29:24,241 --> 00:29:25,826 It was just horrible. 429 00:29:25,827 --> 00:29:31,136 And I felt for all of the victims and the people involved. 430 00:29:31,137 --> 00:29:33,274 Jared, is there anything you want to say? 431 00:29:33,275 --> 00:29:36,516 His wife immediately filed for divorce. 432 00:29:36,517 --> 00:29:39,274 She also asked for custody of their two children. 433 00:29:39,275 --> 00:29:41,378 And she denounced him in public. 434 00:29:41,379 --> 00:29:44,654 Breaking news story regarding former Subway spokesman, Jared Fogle. 435 00:29:44,655 --> 00:29:46,619 And just moments ago, Katie McLaughlin 436 00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:48,585 spoke publicly for the first time ever. 437 00:29:48,586 --> 00:29:50,447 Find out that your husband 438 00:29:50,448 --> 00:29:53,171 and the father of your children is a child predator 439 00:29:53,172 --> 00:29:55,136 is devastating. 440 00:29:55,137 --> 00:29:57,619 were among her claims that Subway was alerted 441 00:29:57,620 --> 00:30:01,861 at least three times to Jared's possible sexual attraction to children 442 00:30:01,862 --> 00:30:03,930 and did nothing about it. 443 00:30:03,931 --> 00:30:07,757 Finding out that Subway did not act upon at least one complaint 444 00:30:07,758 --> 00:30:09,895 is beyond comprehension. 445 00:30:09,896 --> 00:30:13,378 Did Subway cover it up? I don't know. 446 00:30:13,379 --> 00:30:18,999 I think the more logical reasoning here is that 447 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:25,619 Subway just did not find the allegations truthful. 448 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:29,343 Subway says it found just one serious complaint 449 00:30:29,344 --> 00:30:31,412 about its former spokesperson, Jared Fogle. 450 00:30:31,413 --> 00:30:34,481 But it wasn't connected to any sexual misconduct. 451 00:30:34,482 --> 00:30:37,068 Subway has now closed it's investigation. 452 00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,240 You can't help but wonder, 453 00:30:40,241 --> 00:30:45,067 did Jared Fogle get away with his crimes for so long 454 00:30:45,068 --> 00:30:47,723 because of his fame? 455 00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:50,241 We may not ever know the full story. 456 00:30:52,413 --> 00:30:55,205 Today, former Subway spokesperson, Jared Fogle, 457 00:30:55,206 --> 00:30:58,723 will be sentenced on federal charges of possession of child pornography 458 00:30:58,724 --> 00:31:00,343 and having sex with a minor. 459 00:31:00,344 --> 00:31:04,103 Charges that carry a penalty between five and fifty years in federal prison. 460 00:31:05,482 --> 00:31:07,240 A literal media frenzy is on hand... 461 00:31:07,241 --> 00:31:09,516 awaiting former Subway spokesman, Jared Fogle. 462 00:31:11,068 --> 00:31:13,948 What do you wanna say to the families of these victims? 463 00:31:17,379 --> 00:31:21,309 The betrayal of the public's trust triggered interest in the case. 464 00:31:21,310 --> 00:31:22,792 As you can see here behind me, 465 00:31:22,793 --> 00:31:25,067 dozens of photographers, dozens of reporters out here 466 00:31:25,068 --> 00:31:27,068 speaking about history as it's being made. 467 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,516 For me, my goal was to get a sentence that I thought 468 00:31:31,517 --> 00:31:34,413 was a fair reflection of what we knew he had done. 469 00:31:35,896 --> 00:31:39,171 The minimum sentence he could get was five years. 470 00:31:39,172 --> 00:31:42,793 The maximum sentence he could receive was fifty years. 471 00:31:44,448 --> 00:31:46,309 In the sentencing hearing, 472 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:49,241 the defendant gets an opportunity to directly address the court. 473 00:31:50,655 --> 00:31:53,171 Fogle went on to tell Judge Prat, 474 00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:56,792 "I went from being raised with good, solid morals and values 475 00:31:56,793 --> 00:32:00,862 "to living the life of deception, lies and complete self-centeredness. 476 00:32:02,344 --> 00:32:05,550 "I had become dependent on alcohol, pornography and prostitutes. 477 00:32:05,551 --> 00:32:08,826 "The victims that I have harmed as a result of my decisions 478 00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:12,102 "will carry a huge burden for the rest of their lives. 479 00:32:12,103 --> 00:32:16,447 "Not a day will go by that I don't think about them. 480 00:32:16,448 --> 00:32:19,413 "I take full and absolute responsibility for what I have done." 481 00:32:20,689 --> 00:32:23,930 Jared's defense attorneys had him evaluated. 482 00:32:23,931 --> 00:32:26,999 One of the experts provided a testimony, 483 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,551 uh, that Jared was addicted to sexual activity. 484 00:32:33,827 --> 00:32:39,930 His attorneys said early on that he had swapped his food addiction for sex addiction. 485 00:32:39,931 --> 00:32:42,412 And that he was a good candidate for treatment. 486 00:32:42,413 --> 00:32:44,999 That he would be able to beat this and get better. 487 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,999 That seems ludicrous on its face today. 488 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,688 It seemed ludicrous at that time. 489 00:32:49,689 --> 00:32:51,550 I think you could have any number of addictions, 490 00:32:51,551 --> 00:32:56,240 you're not suddenly going to find someone who's underage sexually attractive. 491 00:32:56,241 --> 00:33:01,378 The defense had one of their witnesses saying it was mild pedophilia. 492 00:33:01,379 --> 00:33:04,172 That his problem primarily was teenage girls. 493 00:33:05,379 --> 00:33:07,412 But he was, according to our evidence, 494 00:33:07,413 --> 00:33:12,000 sexually attracted to children as young as age six, boys and girls. 495 00:33:13,862 --> 00:33:18,033 Several women around the United States came forward and said... 496 00:33:18,034 --> 00:33:21,137 Jared, to bring up the issue of his sexual attraction to minors. 497 00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:28,309 One of them, Rochelle Herman, had a set of recordings 498 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,310 with Jared Fogle over a period of time. 499 00:34:05,931 --> 00:34:08,999 As far as I'm aware, there is no evidence to support 500 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,309 that Jared Fogle ever did any of the things he discussed with Rochelle Herman. 501 00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:16,930 But the, uh, existence of the tapes 502 00:34:16,931 --> 00:34:19,757 showed he had a sexual interest in minors 503 00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:23,000 and a long-standing and persistent pattern of behavior. 504 00:34:24,241 --> 00:34:26,585 It's not a 'one moment of bad judgement', 505 00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:29,964 it's not a small addiction, it's a major problem. 506 00:34:29,965 --> 00:34:33,619 Rochelle's tapes clearly had a huge impact on the judge. 507 00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:35,619 Because when it came to sentencing, 508 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:38,723 she went beyond the prosecutor's recommendations. 509 00:34:38,724 --> 00:34:41,688 And I can tell you, that is very rare. 510 00:34:41,689 --> 00:34:44,757 The judge in this case, federal judge Tanya Walton Pratt, 511 00:34:44,758 --> 00:34:48,792 sentencing Jared Fogle to fifteen and a half years in prison. 512 00:34:48,793 --> 00:34:50,930 He is going to be registered as a sex offender, 513 00:34:50,931 --> 00:34:53,585 and uh, basically, being watched the entirety of his life. 514 00:34:53,586 --> 00:34:55,186 Hey, Jared! 515 00:34:56,793 --> 00:34:59,240 I know that there are guidelines. 516 00:34:59,241 --> 00:35:03,827 And I know that the judge took everything into consideration... 517 00:35:05,172 --> 00:35:07,895 But there's fourteen victims! 518 00:35:07,896 --> 00:35:10,965 How is fifteen years enough? 519 00:35:12,586 --> 00:35:15,000 Now, looking back on it, 520 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:19,550 it makes me angry. 521 00:35:19,551 --> 00:35:22,585 Jared was just completely complicit 522 00:35:22,586 --> 00:35:25,930 in the videos that were being taken of us 523 00:35:25,931 --> 00:35:27,344 in our most vulnerable moments. 524 00:35:28,655 --> 00:35:30,550 He was the puppet master 525 00:35:30,551 --> 00:35:34,378 and Russell was kind of just his puppet. 526 00:35:34,379 --> 00:35:38,826 I think Jared Fogle was wired to be sexually attracted to children. 527 00:35:38,827 --> 00:35:43,067 And his situation was made worse when he met Russell Taylor. 528 00:35:43,068 --> 00:35:46,412 They become this toxic combination together. 529 00:35:46,413 --> 00:35:48,516 Russell Taylor is paying the price 530 00:35:48,517 --> 00:35:51,757 for victimizing children he secretly videotaped in the nude. 531 00:35:51,758 --> 00:35:55,067 The federal crime will cost him more than two decades in prison. 532 00:35:55,068 --> 00:35:59,310 It was his cooperation that allowed them to arrest and charge Jared Fogle. 533 00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:08,896 So many terrible memories in that house. 534 00:36:10,482 --> 00:36:13,102 It looks like a family home. 535 00:36:13,103 --> 00:36:16,482 - But, really, it was toxic. Evil. - Yeah. 536 00:36:18,103 --> 00:36:20,895 It's kind of hard to believe we lived in there 537 00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:23,964 and all those things happened inside. 538 00:36:23,965 --> 00:36:26,930 I don't feel trapped in there anymore. 539 00:36:26,931 --> 00:36:31,206 But this house robbed me of my childhood. 540 00:36:36,172 --> 00:36:40,343 Russell Taylor, to me, is now a monster. 541 00:36:40,344 --> 00:36:43,930 But I think my mom, Angela, was just as dangerous. 542 00:36:43,931 --> 00:36:46,379 As Russell and Jared, if not more. 543 00:36:50,344 --> 00:36:54,240 We got a call from the FBI IN 2020. 544 00:36:54,241 --> 00:36:56,103 The case was being reopened. 545 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,723 The FBI had this new evidence. 546 00:37:01,724 --> 00:37:03,550 They said we're going to show you things about your mom 547 00:37:03,551 --> 00:37:04,758 that you've never seen before. 548 00:37:07,413 --> 00:37:12,654 And they showed us text messages and text messages and text messages 549 00:37:12,655 --> 00:37:16,688 of our mom talking about wanting to have sex with us. 550 00:37:16,689 --> 00:37:19,896 Wanting to let Russell have sex with us. 551 00:37:21,137 --> 00:37:25,172 She was watching us live on these cameras. 552 00:37:29,068 --> 00:37:30,448 I'm sorry. 553 00:37:33,965 --> 00:37:36,136 You just feel so unloved. 554 00:37:36,137 --> 00:37:37,620 Just how... 555 00:37:39,896 --> 00:37:44,481 someone who... is supposed to love you and protect you... 556 00:37:44,482 --> 00:37:46,240 Supposed to be your mom... 557 00:37:46,241 --> 00:37:48,205 is... 558 00:37:48,206 --> 00:37:49,448 dangerous. 559 00:37:51,724 --> 00:37:56,619 We were asked to testify against her. 560 00:37:56,620 --> 00:38:01,343 And I wanted to tell the world what she had done 561 00:38:01,344 --> 00:38:05,964 because she stole so much of my childhood away from me. 562 00:38:05,965 --> 00:38:09,862 I felt, you exposed me, I'm going to expose you. 563 00:38:11,517 --> 00:38:15,033 Russell Taylor's former wife was charged with sex crimes. 564 00:38:15,034 --> 00:38:19,723 And in 2021, she was convicted after jury trial. 565 00:38:19,724 --> 00:38:23,447 Judge Pratt's sentence for Taylor's former wife, Angela Baldwin 566 00:38:23,448 --> 00:38:24,930 was 33 years. 567 00:38:24,931 --> 00:38:29,102 She molested her own relatives and was gleeful about it. 568 00:38:29,103 --> 00:38:30,757 This was someone who chose to do this, 569 00:38:30,758 --> 00:38:32,309 this was someone who wanted to do this. 570 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:35,102 And it's this horrific exploitation of children 571 00:38:35,103 --> 00:38:36,383 who should be able to trust you. 572 00:38:41,241 --> 00:38:43,758 I've asked myself many times... 573 00:38:45,344 --> 00:38:48,241 why would our mom do this to her children? 574 00:38:49,482 --> 00:38:52,000 I would label her as... evil. 575 00:38:53,862 --> 00:38:55,930 She just was not a good mom. 576 00:38:55,931 --> 00:38:57,448 She just was not a good mother. 577 00:38:59,413 --> 00:39:02,654 I would definitely say, having a child... 578 00:39:02,655 --> 00:39:04,241 has changed my life. 579 00:39:06,724 --> 00:39:10,033 I've never loved somebody so much. 580 00:39:10,034 --> 00:39:14,310 I just want to give my daughter... what I didn't have. 581 00:39:15,965 --> 00:39:19,344 I feel like our entire lives we've really just been surviving. 582 00:39:20,724 --> 00:39:23,240 I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. 583 00:39:23,241 --> 00:39:27,241 And now I can finally see that light. 584 00:39:29,137 --> 00:39:34,412 I can finally get a little bit of the taste 585 00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:37,654 of freedom and happiness. 586 00:39:37,655 --> 00:39:40,688 And it tastes so good. 587 00:39:40,689 --> 00:39:41,965 It really does. 588 00:39:50,793 --> 00:39:52,654 Although we've never met Rochelle, 589 00:39:52,655 --> 00:39:56,171 I'm definitely thankful for the part that she's played 590 00:39:56,172 --> 00:40:00,000 because we didn't have the power to speak up for ourselves. 591 00:40:01,448 --> 00:40:04,136 I would never be able to live my life knowing 592 00:40:04,137 --> 00:40:06,033 that I stood down. 593 00:40:06,034 --> 00:40:09,378 I needed to help save these children. 594 00:40:09,379 --> 00:40:11,068 And I would do it all over again. 595 00:40:13,172 --> 00:40:16,343 But I do regret how... 596 00:40:16,344 --> 00:40:20,275 it tore my relationship with my children apart. 597 00:40:22,379 --> 00:40:24,033 My sister, Angela, 598 00:40:24,034 --> 00:40:26,516 struggles a lot with the same things that I do. 599 00:40:26,517 --> 00:40:28,309 Like anxiety and... 600 00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:30,999 I think she also, like has heavy depression. 601 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,034 But she wants to get her life on track again. 602 00:40:35,827 --> 00:40:37,895 The whole thing with Jared Fogle, 603 00:40:37,896 --> 00:40:42,930 it's definitely strained, like, my relationship with my sister... 604 00:40:42,931 --> 00:40:44,620 and my mother. 605 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:50,102 Around four or five years ago, I moved to Taiwan. 606 00:40:50,103 --> 00:40:51,724 And I've never gone back to America. 607 00:40:53,241 --> 00:40:55,136 There's a lot of reasons why. 608 00:40:55,137 --> 00:40:57,895 There's been a lot that's happened. 609 00:40:57,896 --> 00:41:00,758 I'm, I'm not sure, like, what I should say, to be honest. 610 00:41:03,689 --> 00:41:06,274 But, I'm very proud of my mother. 611 00:41:06,275 --> 00:41:08,550 She did do something heroic. 612 00:41:08,551 --> 00:41:11,724 And she... It was selfless, 'cause she lost a lot in the process. 613 00:41:16,034 --> 00:41:19,343 I'm not the same person I used to be. 614 00:41:19,344 --> 00:41:25,241 But, I will not allow this experience with Jared to define my life. 615 00:41:26,827 --> 00:41:31,171 If I ever have the opportunity to talk to those fourteen victims, 616 00:41:31,172 --> 00:41:32,689 I would share it with them. 617 00:41:34,206 --> 00:41:37,516 Do not give Jared the power 618 00:41:37,517 --> 00:41:41,861 to define what he did to you 619 00:41:41,862 --> 00:41:45,792 as who you are, because that's not who you are. 620 00:41:45,793 --> 00:41:49,413 And love yourself because you survived. 621 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,689 And I personally... 622 00:41:56,034 --> 00:41:59,413 thank you for coming forward to help stop a monster.