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I wanted to leave
a mark on history and then leave.
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What I had in mind
was to shoot the Queen of England.
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There was Reagan,
but Reagan had already been shot.
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So the only one left was the pope.
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Do not be afraid.
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Do not be afraid.
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Open your hearts.
Open up your hearts to Christ.
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St. Peter's Square in Vatican City
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is where he has shown himself regularly
to countless thousands of the faithful.
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Here and on his many trips abroad,
he has scorned security measures,
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thrusting himself within touching distance
of the people he loves.
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My intention was to kill
the pope and commit suicide.
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This was my precise plan.
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I remember everything.
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I remember May 13.
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When I woke up,
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I went to Piazza Repubblica.
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Indeed, it was a summer day.
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There were tens of thousands of people.
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I was like a tourist.
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I went near the obelisk
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and was approached by
a plainclothes policeman.
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He looked at me for several minutes.
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I looked at him.
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Then he went away.
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I heard this clamor,
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"Long live the pope!"
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A force, something inexplicable
pulled me forward.
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There were so many people shouting,
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"Long live the pope!"
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And so, as the pope's first round passed,
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it was impossible to do anything
because there was a child in the way.
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It would have been terrible to shoot her.
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Then he went around the second time,
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and what had already been written
indeed happened.
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I probably would have shot more...
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but the incredible thing
is that the gun jammed.
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After two shots, it jammed.
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{\an8}I can remember how the pigeons
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{\an8}flew up in alarm,
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and one could see
the pope was losing his strength.
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We realized that he was injured,
and he slumped to one side.
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I supported him
and asked if he was in pain.
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He said yes, and pointed to the place.
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The bullet went through his whole body.
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It fell to the ground in front of me,
between me and him.
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After the gun jammed,
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I dropped it and someone caught me.
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A strong hand.
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I learned that it was a nun, Lúcia.
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Basically, the world stopped spinning.
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AGOSTINO GEMELLI POLYCLINIC
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QUEEN MARGARET HOSPITAL
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Pope John Paul is making steady progress,
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but he's not yet out of danger.
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The postoperative recovery
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of John Paul II has happily ended.
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His organs and systems function normally.
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{\an8}I am a journalist of Bulgarian origin.
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{\an8}I have been on this case for ten years.
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I was interested in the attack
against John Paul II
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immediately after the fall
of the Berlin Wall.
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The new democratically-elected
government in Bulgaria had decided,
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at the request of the United States,
to open a new investigation into
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the attempted assassination
of John Paul II.
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Very quickly,
after his arrest on St. Peter's Square,
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Ali Ağca is presented to the judges.
A very quick investigation takes place.
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He says he acted alone.
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A fairly speedy trial is organized,
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in which he is sentenced
to life imprisonment.
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Mehmet Ali Ağca is found
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guilty of the alleged crimes
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and convicted to life imprisonment.
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The attack on John Paul II,
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there is a whiff of conspiracy,
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a whiff of espionage around all of this,
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which, indeed, has fascinated many people.
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But if there are so many conspiracies,
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it is also because there are
many secret services
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that got involved in this case,
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which is the most emblematic case
of the Cold War era.
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A lone wolf is perfect
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because he cannot be associated with
an organization like the Grey Wolves,
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which is fascist,
criminal, and mafia-related.
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The Grey Wolves that were, let's say
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nationalists, they wanted to restore
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an international Pan-Turkist unity.
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The leader of this party,
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Alparslan Türkeş,
who is also called the Başbuğ, the Führer,
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had collaborated with the Gestapo
in the time of the Second World War.
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This made the Grey Wolves a kind of
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alchemy between Turkish nationalism,
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extreme right-wing ideas,
fascist and Nazi ideas,
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with the conviction that it was necessary
to defend a pure Turkish race
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and to get rid of
all those who were Kurds,
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Armenians, or Christians,
since they have another religion.
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In Turkey, there was
a possibility of a communist revolution.
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It was necessary to stop them,
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using good or bad means,
with assassinations, murders.
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In this way, the Grey Wolves
were exploited for these misdeeds.
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Essentially, they were employed by the CIA
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in the war on communism.
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The Grey Wolves
were those who had been used
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in the "stay-behind" network in Turkey.
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The "stay-behind" was set up
at the end of the Second World War
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on the initiative
of the United States and the Pentagon,
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under the auspices of NATO.
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It was a matter of creating
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a whole network
of ultra-secret sleeper cells
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from violent right-wing extremist groups
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all over the NATO member countries,
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recruiting young people
while training them,
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and they could be used
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in case the Soviet Union
tried to invade Europe again.
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These young Turks,
until the title was made illegal,
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called themselves the "Grey Wolves."
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And there's a link, albeit indirect,
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between Türkeş
and the man who tried to kill the pope.
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I have always been, let's say,
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on the side of the working class,
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because I come from
a family of peasants, laborers.
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In the neighborhood,
where he plays and goes to school,
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he meets, as a child,
his friend, Oral Çelik,
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with whom he will remain friends
throughout his life.
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Together they will also discover
the ideology of the Grey Wolves.
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Ali Ağca will soon make a name
by completing a hit
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ordered by the Grey Wolves,
killing the chief editor
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of the liberal newspaper Milliyet,
Abdi İpekçi.
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It was after that time
that his real career as a terrorist began.
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I ended up in the Kharkiv military prison.
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It was virtually impossible
to escape from there
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without help from the inside.
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Someone did it
for the love of the Grey Wolves.
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I had a gun with me when I escaped.
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I was determined.
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If something happened, I had 14 bullets.
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I would have killed
anyone in my way and then myself.
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He simply walked
out of prison disguised as a prison guard.
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His friends, the Grey Wolves
and those helping the Grey Wolves,
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gave him what he needed.
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He passed through
four doors, four checkpoints.
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His lifelong friend,
Oral Çelik, was outside waiting in a car.
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He gets in and leaves.
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I was the one who got Ağca
out of prison, and then we fled.
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That's when we wrote
that threatening letter to John Paul II.
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The Milliyet newspaper publishes
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Ali Ağca's letter,
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which clearly says,
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"I escaped from prison
to kill the leader of the Crusaders,
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Pope John Paul II,
who is coming to Turkey,
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who comes to tread the soil of Turkey."
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"The pope must not come.
Otherwise, I will kill him."
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"The only reason I escaped
is to attempt to assassinate the pope."
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The idea of attacking John Paul II
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was, of course, linked to
the ideology of the Grey Wolves.
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They were convinced
that Christians should be eliminated.
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And since he was the leader of Christians,
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the pope, it was not surprising
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that they decided to attack John Paul II.
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When I escaped, I went to Ankara,
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then I went to Erzurum,
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and finally to Iran.
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I traversed the mountains
to Iran with an alcohol smuggler.
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Very quickly, Ağca returned to Turkey.
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From there, they will seek to find him
new passports, a new identity,
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and to organize his trip,
this time to Europe.
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And Ağca first passed through Bulgaria.
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Bulgaria is a transit destination,
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a crossing to get to Europe.
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After a while,
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I found a Turkish passport,
the same passport
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that I used on the day
of the assassination attempt on the pope.
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At the time, Sofia was
a haunt for all kinds of traffickers
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of weapons, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes.
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{\an8}Ali Ağca knocks on the door of room 911
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{\an8}in a luxury hotel in Sofia.
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It is in this hotel
that he socializes with many other Turks
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who are, more or less,
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implicated in the affair
of the attack on John Paul II.
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They gave him money.
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Ah, the Vitosha Hotel.
That's where I met Omar Mersan.
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He's a fixer,
a smuggler, a friend of mine.
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Everything else is fiction,
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a novel, let's say.
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And he will go
to Germany several times. And to Austria.
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There were many Grey Wolves members
who were based in Vienna.
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The commando started to look for weapons.
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It is obvious that, by recommendation
of certain secret services,
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they are directed to an arms dealer.
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We bought the gun in Vienna.
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We actually bought two guns,
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for €2,000 or €3,000, I don't remember.
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Then it turned out that he was a Nazi.
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The gun dealer was a Nazi.
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It was a coincidence, probably.
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They buy four guns.
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And not just any guns.
They are 9mm Brownings.
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They are extremely powerful weapons
that can kill for sure.
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Ali Ağca takes two.
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So we returned to Rome.
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We carried out the attack on the pope.
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{\an8}The secret service of the Soviet Union,
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the KGB, must surely have been involved
in the attempt to assassinate the pope.
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There was a fear that John Paul II
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might contribute to the dissolution
of the Soviet empire, of the Soviet Union.
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Several years before John Paul II's
election, the KGB had already anticipated
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the election of Karol Wojtyła as pope.
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We have a pope.
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Cardinal Wojtyła.
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John Paul II
was the first foreign pope to follow
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a traditional series of Italian popes
that lasted many centuries.
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And this foreign pope
hailed from Eastern Europe,
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then under the communist regime.
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The Soviet Union wanted to keep
Poland under its influence,
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to keep it in check.
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But John Paul II gave courage
to the Poles who, in some way,
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had a revolutionary attitude
against the regime.
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They rebelled, and we know about
the massive demonstrations
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organized by Solidarity,
the Polish syndicate.
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A nationwide strike, led by Lech Wałęsa,
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shook Poland to its communist foundations.
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Wałęsa and his followers
won a revolutionary concession.
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For the first time in a Marxist state,
the government accepted
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the right of workers
to organize independent unions.
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And when John Paul II is elected,
the KGB instantly runs for cover.
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There are plans and talk of measures
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to counter this violent anti-communist,
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namely John Paul II.
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There were plans
to infiltrate the Vatican,
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capillary infiltration
of the chief rooms inside the Vatican,
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by men affiliated with the KGB.
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Obviously, as pope,
being a great center of power
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and having the ability to influence
almost the whole world
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inevitably makes you
the center of interest
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of all the secret services in the world.
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Those years following the attack
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were very difficult
in international politics.
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The Vatican, at that time,
was a den of spies.
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Spies from all over the world.
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There were KGB spies.
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There were infiltrators from the Polish
and the Czechoslovak intelligence,
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the German Stasi.
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There were men from the CIA.
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In the Vatican,
the most active secret services
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were certainly those from the East,
from Eastern Europe.
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My name is Tomasz Turowski.
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I'm a retired colonel
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from the Polish secret services.
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I was 20 years old.
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I was a student.
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The colonel received me and said,
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"If you want to work for
the Polish intelligence services,
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I support you."
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"You have 24 hours to decide."
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"And forget this meeting."
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Twenty-four hours later, I said yes.
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I was number 10682.
I had already received orders.
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"We have decided that you will enter
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the Jesuit religious order."
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"You will pursue a Jesuit career
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to access
strategic information about NATO."
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They said, "Listen."
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"The spiritual fathers and confessors
from all the special services
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that are responsible
for the security of NATO bases in Italy
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are, in fact, largely Jesuit priests."
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"And you have to get all the way there."
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"From there you can draw information
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which cannot be obtained by other means."
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It must be said that he had known
John Paul II even before arriving in Rome,
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when he was the archbishop of Krakow.
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Hence, there were ties
between the families,
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between his family and John Paul II.
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Therefore, as a mole, he managed
to arrive at the Vatican, in Rome,
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with a recommendation from Karol Wojtyła,
the cardinal of Krakow.
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But when, in 1978,
John Paul II was elected pope,
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his mission changed dramatically.
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Because the orders
received from that moment
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were directed at knowing
everything about John Paul II,
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whose physical elimination, as we know,
had definitely been planned by the KGB
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should John Paul II
interfere with their plans.
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Turowski is there
to understand what John Paul II does,
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how he moves,
where he goes, what he thinks.
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But Turowski says
he is there to protect him
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and ensure that security becomes stronger
so as to avoid an attack on him.
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When Wojtyła became eligible for papacy,
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my headquarters
told me almost immediately,
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"You have to do everything
to ensure the safety of the pope."
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Before the attack,
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I was looking at a report
from the Vatican surveillance service.
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There were things unheard of.
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During the Wednesday audiences,
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they were alongside the car,
the popemobile,
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but there was nobody
inside the popemobile, which is essential.
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Their duty in case of a crisis,
is to cover, with their own bodies,
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the object they have to defend.
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The pope asked me,
"Tomasz, what is your real mission?"
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I replied that my mission
is to serve the country
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and look after
the safety of the Holy Father.
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In fact, according to
Tomasz Turowski's version,
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it was important for the Soviet bloc
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to make sure
that if anything happened to the pope,
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the blame would not fall on them.
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Two months after
the beginning of his sentence,
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Ali Ağca asks to make new revelations.
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I have spent
many years working on this case.
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Despite all the disappointments,
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I never lost my enthusiasm.
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I would still continue today.
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Right from the start,
Ali Ağca has only play-acted,
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almost continuously.
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He thought he was leading us by the hand
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and led us to a certain place
and then pushed us away.
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At the time,
this Bulgarian lead quickly emerged,
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and it had its origin in the statements
made by Ali Ağca himself.
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Respond to the affirmation...
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I confirm everything I said.
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The assassination
of the pope was desired by
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the Bulgarian secret service,
and we, the Turks,
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acted at the instigation
of the Bulgarian secret service.
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Ali Ağca is someone
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who has an animal instinct
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for finding a way to get out of situations
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and to work out how to negotiate,
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to say what one wants to hear
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in order to get what he wants in return.
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He's very determined.
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Ali Ağca receives
a visit from the secret service,
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but also from a businessman
accompanied by an American.
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Ağca himself says
he doesn't know who it was.
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But they very clearly make him understand
that they will give him
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the elements necessary
to incriminate the Bulgarians.
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Concerning this Bulgarian lead,
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we know it was a project
which the CIA was involved in.
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I believe that even the Pentagon
and the White House were involved,
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because President Reagan
had allegedly required the CIA bosses
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to find evidence that the Kremlin
had ordered the attack on the pope.
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We were at the height of the Cold War.
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Ronald Reagan had just taken office.
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It was an opportunity
to strengthen the confrontation
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between the two blocs
and the doctrine which,
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when the case
of the Bulgarian connection bursts,
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becomes the number one concern
of the United States,
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who, based on this,
declare war on the evil empire.
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In fact, the attack on John Paul II
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fueled the doctrine of the evil empire,
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which guided the strategy
and relations between the two blocs
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throughout the decade of the 1980s.
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I would rather see
my little girls die now,
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still believing in God,
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than have them grow up under communism
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and one day die
no longer believing in God.
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{\an8}The CIA got a new director, William Casey,
who was an extreme right-wing ideologue,
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{\an8}and he wanted a special assessment
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{\an8}on the fact the Soviets were involved
in the plot to kill the pope.
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There are also articles
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that appear in the press,
by Claire Sterling,
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who was close to Casey,
the boss of the CIA at that time.
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He was fascinated
by her writings on terrorism,
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so she signs an article designating
the KGB and the Bulgarian network.
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{\an8}The fact is the Bulgarian
secret service could not have acted alone.
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{\an8}We have the testimony of a former director
of the Bulgarian secret service.
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But the Bulgarian services
are the favorites of the KGB
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for operations of this kind
because they are so loyal and reliable
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and that they are staffed
at every level with Soviet functionaries.
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{\an8}One thing the Operations Directorate
was trying to do on that operational level
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was to embarrass the Soviets
by making accusations
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of their involvement with the papal plot.
368
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This was a classic case of blowback.
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The CIA put this information
in the European press,
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Claire Sterling read the European press,
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she put it in her book
and newspaper articles.
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It came back to the United States,
which is one of the real risks
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of having a secret intelligence agency
in a democracy.
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It's not supposed to work that way.
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There was talk of a Bulgarian lead
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because Bulgarian citizens were involved
and also ended up on trial.
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There is one man in particular,
Sergei Antonov.
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This Bulgarian was even arrested
and brought to trial.
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First to appear in one of
the special cages was Sergei Antonov,
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one of three Bulgarians indicted,
but the only one in the dock.
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The other two are back home.
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Two Turkish co-conspirators,
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Musa Celebi and Ömer Bagci,
are also on trial.
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The problem with the case
against the Bulgarians
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is it depends entirely
on the word of Ali Ağca.
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He's changed his story
several times already,
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00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,840
and as this extraordinary trial begins,
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no one knows
what he's going to say this time.
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{\an8}On the day of the attack of the pope,
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{\an8}Antonov was in St. Peter's Square
with Ali Ağca.
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This photograph.
Is this person Antonov or not?
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I think that it is possible.
393
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,360
I don't rule it out.
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00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,240
So why did you tell us it was Antonov?
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There is only one truth.
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00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,840
There is only one truth.
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I am innocent.
I have nothing in common
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with all these stories
of which I am accused.
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00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,240
I have never seen, I do not know,
400
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I have never met
the person who accuses me.
401
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,920
At some point, the investigation revealed
402
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,560
that the photos taken were not of Antonov.
403
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,040
They said this was a secret service man.
404
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,440
Then someone revealed that he was
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00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,880
a tourist or a pilgrim, a Hungarian.
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00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,080
So it's a total fiasco.
407
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,560
The Bulgarian connection
collapses entirely during the trial.
408
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Curiously, the trial ends
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00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,000
with an odd court decision,
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meaning that Antonov
and the other two defendants
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are acquitted due to a lack of evidence.
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The hypothesis
that the Bulgarian secret service,
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and by implication the Soviet KGB,
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00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,600
could have been behind
the assassination attempt
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00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,120
became weaker and weaker
during the course of our investigations.
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After two and a half years
of investigation, the judges realized
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that he had lied no less than 103 times.
418
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,320
There is a photo
dated May 10, 1981, that portrays
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Ali Ağca at a parish in Rome,
during a mass conducted by John Paul II.
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00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,680
It is three days
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00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,720
before the attempted murder
of John Paul II.
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00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,200
And there is Ali Ağca,
a few steps from the pope.
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In order to find out
whether Ağca was present
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at one of the Vatican ceremonies,
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00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,600
we went to great lengths
to make inquiries.
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00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,160
We went through all the photos
that our police has taken,
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00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,240
to see whether Ağca appeared at any
of the many functions held in the Vatican.
428
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,040
And we found something.
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00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,960
{\an8}We recognized Ağca in one photo
close to the San Tommaso d'Aquino church,
430
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,040
on the outskirts of Rome
when the pope is visiting.
431
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,240
I also asked the pope's photographer,
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00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,880
who took that photo,
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00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,120
to double-check it and tell me
who he sees in that photo.
434
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,800
And he has no doubts.
That man is Ali Ağca.
435
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,760
But why was he there? Who let him in?
436
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,440
It's absolutely impossible,
because I disembarked at Termini station.
437
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,200
I arrived at nine or ten
in the morning on Sunday,
438
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,600
with a suitcase in my hand.
439
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,840
I went to the Isa boarding house
around noon,
440
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,560
so there was no time
to go to the parish of St. Thomas.
441
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,600
That photo? You can see that's not me.
442
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,320
The so-called Vatican lead,
443
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,680
according to which
senior officials in the Vatican hierarchy
444
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,480
wanted the elimination of John Paul II.
445
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,600
I believe that John Paul II had also made
some enemies within the Vatican
446
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,200
because he had decided to support,
also on an underground level, Solidarity.
447
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Why was there talk of a Vatican lead?
448
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,320
Perhaps because it was known
there were issues on the Eastern policy,
449
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,840
on how to relate to the Soviet Union.
450
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,440
There were multiple enemies.
451
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,440
My belief is that it is related to
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00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,520
the Vatican Bank crash,
to the billions that disappeared.
453
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,680
There is a very, very big financial
scandal linked to the Vatican Bank.
454
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:14,240
We realized that it was actually used
for money laundering and wiring.
455
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,200
It is believed that the mafia
also used it to launder a lot of money.
456
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,160
And finally, we wondered,
regarding the money of the Vatican,
457
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,600
who manages it and how?
458
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,280
And it bothered a lot of people
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00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,920
that John Paul II decided to
throw the cat among the pigeons.
460
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,760
He had to do it
because this scandal of the Vatican Bank,
461
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,720
the authorities were looking into it.
462
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,840
It was becoming an international scandal,
and he had to do something.
463
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,600
{\an8}Finding people crazy enough
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{\an8}to want to kill the pope
is tied to the Vatican money.
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00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,960
The Vatican say they were never involved
466
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,920
in dealings with the Ambrosiano Bank,
467
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,920
that they are only paying out
£170 million in good faith.
468
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,080
One banker in Rome this morning
described that as expensive innocence.
469
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,920
If the mafia was behind it,
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00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,480
then one billion or 1.5 billion
471
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:20,360
disappeared from the account
of Banco Ambrosiano during the bankruptcy.
472
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,440
I believe that John Paul II was not aware
473
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,760
of Banco Ambrosiano's involvement,
the mafia, and the laundered money
474
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,199
which was then also sent to Poland.
475
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,400
The secret deal was hammered out
476
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,600
behind the closed doors
of the Vatican Bank.
477
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,280
It was a gentlemen's agreement,
nothing on paper, no treaties,
478
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,760
just a transfer of money
in return for certain guarantees.
479
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,480
It was a kind of tax haven.
480
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:51,400
The Vatican was used for tax evasion,
but also to launder money,
481
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,080
whether by the mafia or others.
482
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:55,760
And it was very practical.
483
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:03,480
So my theory is that
there was no will to get rid of the pope,
484
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,040
but only to terrify him.
485
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,920
The attack was the last warning,
486
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,800
because if one wanted to kill the pope,
487
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,240
it would have been enough
to use bullets with mercury.
488
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,840
And then just a wound,
even if it was not dangerous,
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00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,920
would be fatal.
490
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,040
You can't negotiate with a dead man,
491
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,040
but you can with a frightened one.
492
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,520
Yes, indeed.
493
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:38,280
There were microphones
placed in various offices of the Vatican.
494
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,600
Cardinal Agostino Casaroli
was the secretary of state.
495
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,440
It has been confirmed by a document
of the Italian secret services
496
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,640
that bugs were found inside his apartment.
497
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:51,920
He was being spied on.
498
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,800
Bugs were found, microphones.
499
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,080
Those rooms were being listened to.
500
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,480
And even more serious,
501
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,640
John Paul II was also being listened to.
502
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:06,520
It was clear that there were
microphones in his apartment as well.
503
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,200
What intel could be obtained
with these bugs,
504
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,360
possibly combined with other information
on his daily habits
505
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,680
and possibly his state of health?
506
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,680
It could be someone against the pope.
507
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,600
This one or another one,
they would also like to eliminate
508
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,160
not only Pope Ratzinger,
but also Pope Francis inside the Vatican.
509
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,680
When we followed the "internal leads,"
510
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,120
we encountered a few stumbling blocks,
511
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,560
in part because answering
many of our questions
512
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:51,160
would have impinged
on Vatican sovereignty.
513
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,240
There are small elements that suggest
514
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,520
that there may have been something,
perhaps not an order,
515
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:04,280
but a tacit agreement
within some dark power
516
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,360
that wanted the pope to be eliminated.
517
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,840
In my case, there was nothing.
518
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,280
There is no Vatican conspiracy.
519
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,960
How many shots were fired that day?
520
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,560
{\an8}Several inquiries
have risen up around this issue
521
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,400
of how many gunshots
were fired by Ali Ağca.
522
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,360
He has always claimed to have fired twice,
523
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,400
and that when he was about
to fire the third,
524
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,880
which was supposed to be the deadly one,
525
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,200
{\an8}his gun jammed.
526
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:51,680
There were, however, other witnesses
527
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,480
who said they heard more gunshots,
at least one more gunshot.
528
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,280
Throughout the investigation
into the attack on John Paul II,
529
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,240
the judges, who tried very hard,
530
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,000
wanted to know
if there was another shooter.
531
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,520
And that's why they needed to recover
532
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,840
this alleged third bullet
which had been fired during the attack
533
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,760
and which had found itself
embedded in the door of the popemobile.
534
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,520
There was a photographer,
a man who was in St. Peter's Square,
535
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,360
that had taken pictures of the pope.
536
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Apparently, in one of his photos,
he managed to capture a man,
537
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,840
Oral Çelik, another Turk,
a member of the Grey Wolves,
538
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,760
fleeing St. Peter's Square.
539
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,080
He is photographed from behind,
holding a gun,
540
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,040
perhaps the one
which fired the third shot,
541
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,240
considering that Ali Ağca's gun jammed.
542
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,760
I made an enlargement of the photo.
543
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,800
Are you sure it's Oral Çelik?
544
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Yes, certainly.
545
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,880
Do you recognize the person in the photo?
546
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,600
Yes, it's Oral Çelik.
I've been saying that for three years.
547
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,560
Mm?
548
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,760
I've been saying it for three years
that it's Oral Çelik.
549
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,320
It's not another person.
550
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:27,320
On this subject, during the period
in which he collaborated,
551
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,560
{\an8}Ağca was very precise.
552
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,040
{\an8}He stated
553
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,400
that there were two shooters
554
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,680
who planned this attack on the pope,
555
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,280
himself and Oral Çelik.
556
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:53,120
When the pope
started his tour of the square,
557
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,760
he and Oral Çelik
558
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,600
were each placed on one side of the aisle.
559
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480
But you see this picture,
560
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,520
this... who appears to be
running away with a gun in his hand
561
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,160
is a plainclothes Italian policeman.
562
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:24,520
Here. This is the first time I reveal this
563
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,520
because there was
no occasion to reveal it.
564
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,320
This is a plainclothes policeman
who escaped
565
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,160
that day to the Vatican.
566
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,720
Who knows for what reason or on duty?
567
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,600
Listen to me carefully.
568
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:50,680
Forget everything you've heard
before about the Bulgarian lead, all that.
569
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,000
When the pope arrives
in front of the crowd,
570
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,920
the shooters shoot him with two guns.
571
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,240
Two other men were there with Ağca.
572
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,480
{\an8}So examining that bullet was critical.
573
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,680
{\an8}It was an exhibit to prove
that there had been another shot,
574
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,240
{\an8}that this shot
possibly came from another Browning,
575
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:26,600
{\an8}and from there, to be able to complete
the scenario of the attack,
576
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,440
to prove that there was
an accomplice and a conspiracy,
577
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,720
and then to investigate
the question of the sponsors.
578
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,320
Here is a semi-automatic pistol
579
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,480
with a cartridge case that was found
580
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,000
{\an8}at the crime scene on the square,
and a projectile.
581
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,520
{\an8}These are the two components
that make up a live cartridge.
582
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,720
We showed that a similar gun and cartridge
583
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,360
were used in the assassination attempt
on the pope.
584
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,200
One thing stands out.
585
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,640
This projectile has a jacket.
586
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,000
It is not made purely of lead.
587
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,760
It doesn't kill, it merely wounds.
588
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:19,920
Hence, the pistol used
was not intended to kill the pope,
589
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,800
but rather only to wound him.
590
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,560
At the time,
591
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,440
when we decided
that the three-shot theory was plausible,
592
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,640
my collaborators and I started
looking for the third bullet.
593
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,040
And do you know where we found
the third bullet?
594
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,560
In the crown of the Fátima Virgin.
595
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,760
{\an8}This weekend,
Pope Francis travels to Fátima, Portugal
596
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,360
{\an8}to celebrate the 100th anniversary
of a mysterious apparition
597
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,240
{\an8}that appeared to three children.
598
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,240
The apparition told the children in 1917
about the two world wars,
599
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,720
{\an8}the fall of communist Russia,
and a third secret,
600
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,920
{\an8}which was more recently revealed to be
601
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,560
{\an8}the assassination attempt
on Pope John Paul II.
602
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,720
I believe Ali Ağca
is an extraordinarily smart person.
603
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,920
He is by no means a fool.
604
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,440
I believe that Ali Ağca
started changing his storyline
605
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,600
and giving many different versions
to save his life.
606
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,240
And from that moment on,
he started changing versions
607
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,080
and giving delusional visions
of what happened,
608
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,600
connecting everything
to the third secret of Fátima
609
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,080
and proclaiming himself
to be Jesus Christ on Earth.
610
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,920
I will resuscitate men who have been
scientifically declared dead,
611
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,960
as long as the Vatican tells the truth
612
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,080
that I am the only Jesus Christ.
613
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,400
I will resuscitate the men scientifically,
614
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,920
before Ronald Reagan.
615
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,080
That bullet,
which hit John Paul II
616
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,680
and wounded him in the abdomen
617
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,520
and which was found
inside the popemobile, the Campagnola,
618
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,200
the pope himself
decided to set it in the crown
619
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,080
of the statue of Our Lady of Fátima,
because he has always maintained
620
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,800
that he had been miraculously saved
by Our Lady of Fátima.
621
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,120
That is why a ballistic analysis
of that bullet was never authorized,
622
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,200
although we could have learned
the truth from it.
623
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,040
If we had recovered this bullet,
624
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,520
we could have analyzed it,
625
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,520
proven that it had not been shot
by Ali Ağca's Browning.
626
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,520
We already knew
that this Browning had fired two shots.
627
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,280
If only I could have had it analyzed.
628
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,400
But for John Paul II,
629
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:56,000
it is a symbolic way
to say to those who organized this attack,
630
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,000
"I know, I forgive you,
and I seal the deal forever."
631
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,520
"We don't talk about it anymore."
632
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,160
There is absolutely no third bullet.
633
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:09,440
It does not exist.
634
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,600
You need to see the images
635
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,280
that are in the hands
of the Scientific Police of Rome.
636
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:29,120
I believe Ali Ağca doesn't really know
who ordered the murder,
637
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,920
the attempted murder of John Paul II.
638
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,920
I believe he received orders,
639
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,400
received some money
to do his job as a professional killer.
640
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,360
The attack on John Paul II
is certainly a story
641
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,800
which inspired the most writers
and the most articles to be written,
642
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,320
the most versions.
643
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,560
Perhaps we will know in 50 years,
644
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,120
perhaps in 100 years.
It will be discovered that, in reality,
645
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:07,920
that a cardinal or another prelate
was a terrible secret service man
646
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,520
who had the task of eliminating the pope.
647
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,280
This is a truly incredible event.
648
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,960
There is a man who suffers,
649
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,280
and then he comes to visit you.
650
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,080
Because throughout the history
of the world, there is revenge.
651
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,880
Then he came to see me.
652
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,600
And naturally,
653
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,160
I wasn't expecting it.
654
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,800
Then the director of the prison
said that the pope wanted to visit me.
655
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,760
I said that I would be very happy.
656
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,000
So the pope came, incredibly,
657
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,280
like he was coming to see
a friend or a neighbor.
658
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,480
He said, "Good morning, Ali."
659
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Naturally...
660
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:07,920
I welcomed him as a friend,
more like a brother.
661
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,640
And then...
662
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,160
I asked if he forgave me.
663
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,080
He answered,
"Yes, immediately on Vatican Radio."
664
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,880
Then I asked, "Do you pray for me?"
665
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,120
He answered, "Yes, every day."
666
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,760
This was astonishing.
667
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,080
The pope was actually
praying for me every day?
668
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,440
You feel liberated.
669
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Eh...
670
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,440
Great happiness, great serenity.
671
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,480
{\an8}For me, it was a historic moment,
672
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,400
an unforgettable moment in my life.
673
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,800
The pope's forgiveness was like a miracle.
674
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,040
In my opinion, it will remain
a mystery, because I don't think
675
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,400
it will ever be possible
to find the smoking gun,
676
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,320
to identify who organized
the attack on the pope.
677
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,400
We haven't been able
to reach a verdict.
678
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,440
We are still incapable
of giving the final word.
679
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,640
In time, I believe
the truth will come to light.
680
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,560
But the historical truth
will take a long time.
681
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,840
Ağca served 19 years
in an Italian jail for the shooting.
682
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,440
He was released in 2000
and then served another ten years
683
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,280
in Turkey for the murder
of a newspaper editor.
684
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Now, more than 30 years later,
685
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,520
that act of forgiveness
brought him back to the Vatican
686
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,760
to pay his respects
at the pope saint's tomb.
687
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,760
{\an8}I've come because December 27
688
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,680
{\an8}is the anniversary
of my meeting with the pope in 1983.
689
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,400
I'm happy to be here
in St. Peter's Square,
690
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,480
the place where the miracle took place
and the home of Christianity.
691
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,680
I went there to visit him,
692
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,200
and once I was
in front of the pope's tomb, I said,
693
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:15,720
"Brother Karol Wojtyła,
694
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,960
I have come to honor your memory."
695
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,400
"That is why I'm here."
696
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:27,480
An energy, let's say,
something superhuman, supernatural,
697
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,600
he said, "You had to do it."
698
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,080
By that, he means that it had to happen.