1 00:00:51,968 --> 00:00:53,928 Joaqu�n "El Chapo" Guzm�n. 2 00:00:54,012 --> 00:00:55,472 Public Enemy Number One. 3 00:00:55,555 --> 00:00:59,184 Head of the notorious Sinaloa drug cartel. 4 00:00:59,267 --> 00:01:03,146 The largest drug trafficking organization in the world. 5 00:01:03,229 --> 00:01:05,023 El Chapo became almost 6 00:01:05,106 --> 00:01:07,942 mythological when he escapes through a tunnel. 7 00:01:08,026 --> 00:01:10,653 Guzm�n was last seen on a security camera 8 00:01:10,737 --> 00:01:13,365 entering a shower area, slipped into a hole, 9 00:01:13,448 --> 00:01:15,200 into an elaborate tunnel. 10 00:01:15,283 --> 00:01:16,576 He becomes the GOAT of prison escapes. 11 00:01:16,701 --> 00:01:17,952 ['EL CHAPO ESCAPES'] 12 00:01:17,994 --> 00:01:19,996 I mean, you can't make things like that up! 13 00:01:20,038 --> 00:01:22,290 It's something that would be like written for the movies. 14 00:01:22,374 --> 00:01:23,958 [flash bang] 15 00:01:25,669 --> 00:01:27,295 They had to put out a manhunt for him. 16 00:01:27,337 --> 00:01:29,172 [gunshots] 17 00:01:29,214 --> 00:01:30,590 [screaming] 18 00:01:30,632 --> 00:01:32,258 [in Spanish] Arriba! Arriba! 19 00:01:32,342 --> 00:01:33,593 And El Chapo was arrested. 20 00:01:33,718 --> 00:01:37,639 Finally back in custody, after 13 years on the run. 21 00:01:37,722 --> 00:01:41,476 And he is very quickly extradited to the US. 22 00:01:41,518 --> 00:01:44,062 The narco-trafficker Trial of the Century. 23 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:46,690 - Make way! - Make way! Let's go! 24 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:48,358 One constant fixture in the courtroom 25 00:01:48,483 --> 00:01:51,111 has been Guzm�n's wife of more than 10 years. 26 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:53,029 - Former beauty queen. - Beauty queen. 27 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:56,032 Former beauty queen Emma Coronel. 28 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:59,411 There's an idea in daily journalism of the "get," 29 00:01:59,536 --> 00:02:01,246 the best thing you could possibly have 30 00:02:01,329 --> 00:02:02,956 on the story, and that was her. 31 00:02:02,997 --> 00:02:05,583 All our editors were like, "Get her!" 32 00:02:06,501 --> 00:02:10,839 People wanted to know how this young lady was married to this 33 00:02:10,964 --> 00:02:13,091 man who was significantly older. 34 00:02:13,174 --> 00:02:15,677 18 and 50, people thought that was just gross. 35 00:02:16,678 --> 00:02:19,389 There was a cloud of suspicion around her. 36 00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:23,893 She herself is just one small step removed from bloodshed. 37 00:02:23,977 --> 00:02:28,648 Witness testimonies portray him as a killer. 38 00:02:29,941 --> 00:02:33,486 Authorities attribute 10,000 murders to El Chapo's gang. 39 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:38,158 You can't make this glamorous life on the souls of the people 40 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:39,409 that have been tortured and killed, 41 00:02:39,534 --> 00:02:41,953 and not expect to have to answer to it. 42 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,955 There's this sense at any moment, 43 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:45,999 that she could be implicated. 44 00:02:48,793 --> 00:02:51,004 And in fact, we know that later she was. 45 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,215 "The wife of the world's most notorious drug lord, 46 00:02:54,382 --> 00:02:55,967 arrested Monday." 47 00:02:56,885 --> 00:02:58,595 That was an interesting mind shift, 48 00:02:58,678 --> 00:03:00,847 when people stopped looking just at Chapo 49 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:02,682 and started looking at her. 50 00:03:02,807 --> 00:03:04,851 America wants to know, how do you feel, ma'am? 51 00:03:04,976 --> 00:03:07,479 America wants to know how you feel? 52 00:03:07,645 --> 00:03:08,813 There's so much she hasnt shared. 53 00:03:08,897 --> 00:03:11,191 What she saw, and what she learned. 54 00:03:11,274 --> 00:03:12,817 Who is this woman? 55 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:14,861 What exactly is her role, here? 56 00:03:14,903 --> 00:03:16,071 Is she really kind of a mastermind? 57 00:03:16,196 --> 00:03:19,699 Or, is she a victim of circumstances 58 00:03:19,824 --> 00:03:21,117 beyond her control? 59 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:24,788 [tense music] 60 00:03:24,829 --> 00:03:26,748 [in Spanish] 61 00:03:33,922 --> 00:03:35,882 [exhales shakily] 62 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:47,185 [intriguing music] 63 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:50,939 [car horns blaring] 64 00:03:52,565 --> 00:03:54,693 Opening statements in the case 65 00:03:54,776 --> 00:03:57,529 against drug kingpin Joaqu�n "El Chapo" Guzm�n 66 00:03:57,654 --> 00:03:58,655 are being held at the Federal Courthouse 67 00:03:58,780 --> 00:03:59,739 in Brooklyn this morning. 68 00:03:59,823 --> 00:04:01,783 Guzm�n is the head 69 00:04:01,866 --> 00:04:04,744 of the notorious Sinaloa drug cartel. 70 00:04:04,828 --> 00:04:08,456 The largest drug trafficking organization in the world. 71 00:04:09,457 --> 00:04:11,459 I was working as a crime reporter, 72 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:13,086 and I got a call from my editor. 73 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:15,296 And he was like, "You speak Spanish, right?" 74 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:16,631 And I was like, "Yes." 75 00:04:16,756 --> 00:04:18,425 And he's like, "Do you wanna cover El Chapo's trial?" 76 00:04:18,550 --> 00:04:19,968 And I immediately said yes! 77 00:04:20,051 --> 00:04:21,469 This is, you know the Trial of the Century. 78 00:04:21,553 --> 00:04:24,055 I remember a lot of police, 79 00:04:24,139 --> 00:04:26,641 waiting for a war or something. 80 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:29,602 A lot of journalists outside. 81 00:04:29,686 --> 00:04:32,147 It's the New York press corps, the national press corps, 82 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:34,065 it's all the Spanish language press. 83 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:35,233 And they're all getting there 84 00:04:35,316 --> 00:04:37,819 before dawn, lined up. [camera flashes] 85 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:41,948 I spent nights sleeping in a sleeping bag, waiting to get in. 86 00:04:42,073 --> 00:04:45,035 There was this huge energy, 87 00:04:45,118 --> 00:04:46,786 in part because of the fame and notoriety. 88 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:49,372 Federal authorities were terrified that he would somehow 89 00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:50,832 escape, again! 90 00:04:50,874 --> 00:04:52,792 But really, it was the Trial of the Century 91 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:55,962 because no capo had ever done this before. 92 00:04:56,046 --> 00:04:59,007 Gone to trial and had everything splayed out. 93 00:05:00,717 --> 00:05:01,968 El Chapo pleaded not guilty. 94 00:05:02,010 --> 00:05:03,678 He's facing serious counts here, 95 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,598 including drug making, distribution, 96 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:08,516 running a criminal enterprise. 97 00:05:08,558 --> 00:05:11,186 That he engaged in murder conspiracy. 98 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:12,228 Drug and gun charges. 99 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:13,688 And money laundering. 100 00:05:14,522 --> 00:05:16,232 An avalanche of evidence. 101 00:05:16,274 --> 00:05:18,026 56 witnesses. 102 00:05:18,193 --> 00:05:20,612 Full of graphic testimony on how prosecutors say 103 00:05:20,695 --> 00:05:23,031 the drug lord carried out his operation. 104 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:24,824 Involved in gruesome murders. 105 00:05:24,908 --> 00:05:27,494 Known to personally torture and kill his enemies. 106 00:05:27,577 --> 00:05:29,412 If Guzm�n is found guilty, 107 00:05:29,537 --> 00:05:31,539 he will spend the rest of his life in a federal prison. 108 00:05:31,623 --> 00:05:33,500 [background yelling] 109 00:05:34,918 --> 00:05:36,628 Guys, back up! Come on, give her some space! 110 00:05:36,711 --> 00:05:38,254 - Come on back! - Back up! 111 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:42,258 The more I watched Emma, while everybody else watched Chapo, 112 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:45,136 I became convinced she was a more interesting story. 113 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:47,389 Thank you. Good luck. 114 00:05:47,472 --> 00:05:50,892 There was lots of debate among all of us about what exactly 115 00:05:51,059 --> 00:05:52,686 is her role here? 116 00:05:52,852 --> 00:05:55,605 We're analyzing literally any little tidbit. 117 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:58,274 Every reaction, every outfit. 118 00:05:58,358 --> 00:05:59,776 [camera flashes] 119 00:05:59,818 --> 00:06:03,697 We have to make notes, what she was wearing everyday. 120 00:06:03,738 --> 00:06:06,908 And I did it in my case, against my will. 121 00:06:06,991 --> 00:06:09,119 Yes, her outfits were great, 122 00:06:09,202 --> 00:06:10,620 but there was more to her than that. 123 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:13,456 We would watch her during the proceedings, 124 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:15,917 for details that might somehow implicate her. 125 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:20,672 If there's a gruesome murder being discussed! 126 00:06:20,755 --> 00:06:23,758 Each and every one of us in that courtroom was eagle-eyed 127 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,678 to try to see if there were tears in her eyes. 128 00:06:27,679 --> 00:06:30,348 She was very stoic. 129 00:06:30,432 --> 00:06:32,142 She didn't react. 130 00:06:32,267 --> 00:06:35,437 She didn't move a nerve on her face. 131 00:06:35,603 --> 00:06:40,525 That's when you find out that she's not normal people. 132 00:06:41,651 --> 00:06:46,948 [mysterious music] 133 00:06:50,702 --> 00:06:52,912 [in Spanish] 134 00:07:23,234 --> 00:07:25,070 [tense music] 135 00:07:25,153 --> 00:07:26,821 [exhales shakily] 136 00:07:55,183 --> 00:07:56,434 Mm-hmm. 137 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:10,865 [laughing] 138 00:08:13,326 --> 00:08:16,037 [spanish guitar music] 139 00:08:57,871 --> 00:09:00,206 [camera flashes] 140 00:09:23,855 --> 00:09:26,816 [tense music] 141 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:28,401 After the trial, 142 00:09:28,485 --> 00:09:30,653 I wanted to see a different perspective. 143 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:32,864 So, I went to Mexico. 144 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:34,532 Emma wasn't there, 145 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:37,202 but I met up with her family. 146 00:09:37,285 --> 00:09:38,411 I said, you know, "I've seen the trial, 147 00:09:38,495 --> 00:09:40,538 now I want to see the other side." 148 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:41,831 And they said, "Okay." 149 00:09:41,915 --> 00:09:44,626 [upbeat music] 150 00:09:44,709 --> 00:09:49,214 When she was 17, Emma wanted to be a model, 151 00:09:49,297 --> 00:09:53,635 and decided to run for this pageant. 152 00:09:53,718 --> 00:09:56,262 [Mexican folk music] 153 00:09:56,304 --> 00:09:58,306 In order to campaign for votes, 154 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:00,725 she would attend these local parties. 155 00:10:00,809 --> 00:10:04,020 The parties leading up to the beauty pageant had a reputation, 156 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:05,772 a lot of narcos will come to, 157 00:10:05,855 --> 00:10:08,817 you know, watch the young ladies, right? 158 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:12,779 These are teenage girls, and these are men, 159 00:10:12,862 --> 00:10:14,155 some of them rather old men. 160 00:10:15,907 --> 00:10:18,785 [in Spanish] 161 00:10:48,982 --> 00:10:51,609 Emma meets Chapo 162 00:10:51,693 --> 00:10:52,944 on the dancefloor. 163 00:10:53,028 --> 00:10:56,573 Chapo, at which point is already a fugitive, 164 00:10:56,614 --> 00:11:00,035 after this violent incident at the Guadalajara airport. 165 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,412 [tense music] 166 00:11:02,495 --> 00:11:05,040 So in 1993, when Emma is three years old, 167 00:11:05,081 --> 00:11:07,751 El Chapo is involved in a high profile shootout, 168 00:11:07,792 --> 00:11:10,962 resulting in the death of the Cardinal of Mexico. 169 00:11:11,046 --> 00:11:14,674 Chapo is arrested, he is put in high security prison 170 00:11:14,758 --> 00:11:16,551 and that was the end of it. 171 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:20,764 Until his first escape, when she was 11 years old. 172 00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:23,433 And from that moment on, 173 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:26,061 There was, you know, a bounty on his head, 174 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,772 and he became a famous narco. 175 00:11:28,855 --> 00:11:32,901 He has this larger than life outlaw story. 176 00:11:32,984 --> 00:11:35,653 Chapo Guzm�n actually invented the border tunnel. 177 00:11:35,737 --> 00:11:38,782 Drug tunnels, carrying a river of drugs into the United States. 178 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:39,908 [camera flashes] 179 00:11:39,991 --> 00:11:41,159 Everybody was looking for Chapo. 180 00:11:41,284 --> 00:11:44,412 See, his face was on the TV, on the newspapers. 181 00:11:44,496 --> 00:11:47,582 Chapo, Chapo, Chapo, Chapo, Chapo. 182 00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:53,672 Nobody knows how many times they tried to catch him. 183 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:57,217 [helicopter whirring] 184 00:11:59,344 --> 00:12:01,721 [in Spanish] 185 00:12:40,677 --> 00:12:41,886 [chuckles] 186 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:47,517 [tender music] [helicopter whirring] 187 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,395 [Mexican folk music] 188 00:13:31,936 --> 00:13:33,688 [tense music] 189 00:13:52,499 --> 00:13:53,583 Chapo and Emma continued 190 00:13:53,625 --> 00:13:55,543 their relationship. 191 00:13:55,627 --> 00:13:57,921 The beauty pageant votes come in, 192 00:13:58,004 --> 00:13:59,381 and she wins. 193 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:03,051 [in Spanish] 194 00:14:12,686 --> 00:14:14,104 She is crowned 195 00:14:14,187 --> 00:14:15,980 Reina de Festival in February, 196 00:14:16,022 --> 00:14:20,110 and in July of that same year, 197 00:14:20,193 --> 00:14:22,987 her 18th birthday, she's married to El Chapo. 198 00:14:23,071 --> 00:14:24,781 [festive music] 199 00:14:24,823 --> 00:14:27,075 [in Spanish] 200 00:14:37,961 --> 00:14:39,421 [music falls flat] 201 00:15:05,321 --> 00:15:07,198 When you have an 18 year old 202 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,616 married to one of the most 203 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:11,453 powerful drug dealers of all time, 204 00:15:11,494 --> 00:15:13,872 you get about as little agency as possible. 205 00:15:13,997 --> 00:15:17,042 You know, if you believe in "Me Too" at all... 206 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:19,377 18 and 50, that was the gross power dynamic 207 00:15:19,461 --> 00:15:23,673 from an age perspective, from a power standpoint. 208 00:15:23,798 --> 00:15:26,176 That's not a man you say no to. 209 00:15:26,259 --> 00:15:28,678 [tense music] 210 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,306 [in Spanish] 211 00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:40,940 [dramatic music] 212 00:15:41,024 --> 00:15:42,817 The wedding makes headlines. 213 00:15:42,984 --> 00:15:45,528 Local politicians are there, there's lots of interest, 214 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:47,739 so of course, Mexican authorities, 215 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:49,074 you know, descend on the town. 216 00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:52,243 [in Spanish] 217 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:58,083 [banging on door] 218 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:08,968 [gentle guitar music] 219 00:16:09,886 --> 00:16:11,638 The wedding makes headlines. 220 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,306 There's lots of interest, so of course, 221 00:16:13,390 --> 00:16:14,891 Mexican authorities descend on the town, 222 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:16,267 looking for El Chapo. 223 00:16:17,268 --> 00:16:19,854 [in Spanish] 224 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,857 [flying plane] 225 00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:28,738 He was just ahead of the game. 226 00:16:28,822 --> 00:16:31,574 I started with the DEA in 1987, 227 00:16:31,658 --> 00:16:32,909 and by the early 90s, 228 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:36,287 one of our main targets was El Chapo Guzm�n. 229 00:16:36,413 --> 00:16:40,542 By 2007, he'd already been indicted in the United States 230 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:42,711 for trafficking massive amounts of cocaine. 231 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:46,673 We always would work with Mexican authorities. 232 00:16:46,756 --> 00:16:48,133 0600, yes. 233 00:16:48,174 --> 00:16:50,677 The problem was back then, 234 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,722 corruption is such an integral part of how 235 00:16:53,805 --> 00:16:55,223 the law enforcement worked. 236 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:57,851 We knew that people were tipping him off, saying, 237 00:16:57,934 --> 00:17:00,061 "Don't go here, be sure to go there." 238 00:17:00,979 --> 00:17:02,022 It was a cat-and-mouse game, 239 00:17:02,147 --> 00:17:04,315 except the mouse had all the cards. 240 00:17:06,526 --> 00:17:10,613 We first heard of Emma right about the time of the marriage. 241 00:17:10,739 --> 00:17:13,283 A lot of us had daughters that were Emma's age, 242 00:17:13,324 --> 00:17:15,493 and she's married Chapo, 243 00:17:15,577 --> 00:17:18,288 the most wanted man probably in the Western Hemisphere, 244 00:17:18,413 --> 00:17:19,998 if not the world. 245 00:17:20,123 --> 00:17:23,460 I think as a parent, you kind of like get that stomach twist, 246 00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:26,421 "Oh, that's not good!" 247 00:17:26,504 --> 00:17:29,382 [tense music] 248 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:34,804 After they married, Emma moves to Culiac�n. 249 00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:36,056 It's the capital of Sinaloa, 250 00:17:36,139 --> 00:17:38,266 it's also the capital of cartel headquarters. 251 00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:40,518 And during this time, El Chapo's mostly hiding off 252 00:17:40,602 --> 00:17:41,936 in the mountains. 253 00:17:43,646 --> 00:17:45,940 [in Spanish] 254 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:12,634 Even though they were both 255 00:18:12,717 --> 00:18:15,095 in Mexico, it was a long-distance marriage. 256 00:18:15,136 --> 00:18:17,097 So a lot of it happens over text, 257 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:19,557 and a lot of it is actually logistics. 258 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:30,610 [in Spanish] 259 00:18:56,761 --> 00:18:58,346 [door closing] 260 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:26,958 [gentle music] 261 00:19:27,083 --> 00:19:28,668 [insects chirping] 262 00:19:37,761 --> 00:19:40,180 [panting]: Gaviota. 263 00:19:44,809 --> 00:19:48,646 [dramtic music playing] Gaviota! 264 00:19:55,862 --> 00:19:58,990 [man singing in Spanish] 265 00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:18,176 [sizzling] 266 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,519 [gentle music] 267 00:20:43,284 --> 00:20:44,619 [chuckles] 268 00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:54,879 [tense music] 269 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:56,840 Around the time when 270 00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:59,134 Emma was married to El Chapo, 271 00:20:59,217 --> 00:21:03,722 you see this explosion of brutal, visceral violence 272 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:05,473 in Mexico's criminal landscape. 273 00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:09,185 Joaqu�n "El Chapo" Guzm�n is currently at war 274 00:21:09,310 --> 00:21:11,771 with the Ju�rez Cartel, with the Gulf Cartel, 275 00:21:11,896 --> 00:21:14,274 and with Arturo Beltr�n Leyva. 276 00:21:14,357 --> 00:21:17,360 Local newspapers almost daily have headlines 277 00:21:17,485 --> 00:21:21,156 of the bloody violence of the drug cartels. 278 00:21:21,239 --> 00:21:23,158 [in Spanish] 279 00:21:35,462 --> 00:21:37,297 In the past few years, 280 00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:40,675 Mexico has become one of the most dangerous places on earth. 281 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:42,761 [in Spanish] 282 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:46,890 [gunfire] 283 00:21:46,973 --> 00:21:50,852 [somber music] 284 00:21:52,187 --> 00:21:53,855 Narco-traffickers, 285 00:21:53,897 --> 00:21:56,691 they are the reason for a lot of death in Mexico, 286 00:21:56,775 --> 00:21:57,817 and in the US. 287 00:21:57,942 --> 00:21:59,527 I believe they don't care about the people. 288 00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:03,198 A normal people, they care about people. They don't. 289 00:22:03,323 --> 00:22:06,493 Chapo was in charge of death squads, 290 00:22:06,576 --> 00:22:09,037 that went to kill people who were loyal 291 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,247 to the other factions. 292 00:22:11,331 --> 00:22:15,669 That kind of brutal violence upped the ante. 293 00:22:15,794 --> 00:22:18,254 I'm sure viewers will remember 294 00:22:18,296 --> 00:22:20,882 the tossing of heads onto a dance floor. 295 00:22:21,007 --> 00:22:24,260 Bodies hanging off bridges around that time. 296 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:25,929 [eerie music] 297 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:29,015 That's the terror they bring. The innocent people mostly, 298 00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:32,352 were in a constant state of fear or terror. 299 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:34,729 [sobbing] 300 00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:38,274 People want to know what Emma witnessed, and what she learned 301 00:22:38,358 --> 00:22:42,153 during her time with El Chapo. 302 00:22:42,195 --> 00:22:43,697 [inhales deeply] 303 00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:47,242 [in Spanish] 304 00:23:59,022 --> 00:24:00,482 So, over the next few years, 305 00:24:00,565 --> 00:24:03,151 Emma and Chapo continue this long-distance relationship, 306 00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,153 while he keeps evading the authorities. 307 00:24:08,073 --> 00:24:10,575 [in Spanish] 308 00:24:36,685 --> 00:24:38,770 I think you see Emma take 309 00:24:38,812 --> 00:24:42,774 agency only really a few times in her early story. 310 00:24:42,857 --> 00:24:45,235 And one of those times is when she's pregnant 311 00:24:45,318 --> 00:24:46,528 with her twin daughters. 312 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:51,700 [in Spanish] 313 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:08,216 [tense music] 314 00:25:20,687 --> 00:25:24,065 [dramatic music] 315 00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:28,653 We try to keep a bead 316 00:25:28,737 --> 00:25:31,865 on everyone that was in his circle. 317 00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:34,159 You did seem to be focused on Emma. 318 00:25:34,284 --> 00:25:37,120 [suspenseful music] 319 00:25:37,245 --> 00:25:40,832 We get word from a lookout that Emma and her family members 320 00:25:40,874 --> 00:25:43,918 have come in to the United States. 321 00:25:44,044 --> 00:25:47,797 We envision Chapo coming through one of the tunnels, 322 00:25:47,922 --> 00:25:50,258 and coming up and visiting her and the twins 323 00:25:50,383 --> 00:25:51,885 in the hospital. 324 00:25:51,968 --> 00:25:54,596 And if we were thinking he was gonna show up and visit, 325 00:25:54,637 --> 00:25:57,182 then one of the cartels he was at war with 326 00:25:57,265 --> 00:25:59,184 might think he's gonna show up and visit. 327 00:25:59,267 --> 00:26:02,896 And the last thing we wanted was another Guadalajara airport 328 00:26:02,937 --> 00:26:07,067 massacre happening here in the United States. 329 00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:09,903 [gunshots] 330 00:26:12,864 --> 00:26:15,867 [dramatic music] 331 00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:21,998 We envision Chapo coming through one of the tunnels, 332 00:26:22,123 --> 00:26:24,542 and visiting her and the twins in the hospital. 333 00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:28,254 Would he do it? I don't know. It's like playing the lottery, 334 00:26:28,296 --> 00:26:29,964 you can't win unless you buy a ticket. 335 00:26:31,049 --> 00:26:33,134 [in Spanish] 336 00:27:06,126 --> 00:27:07,585 We didn't have probable cause 337 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:10,505 to arrest or detain them at the time, 338 00:27:10,588 --> 00:27:13,842 and it's not illegal to be married to a drug lord. 339 00:27:13,883 --> 00:27:15,760 But we set up surveillance around the hospital, 340 00:27:15,802 --> 00:27:17,429 partially to catch Chapo, 341 00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:21,349 partially as a security to make sure everything stayed safe. 342 00:27:24,602 --> 00:27:28,189 [in Spanish] 343 00:27:34,779 --> 00:27:37,657 [ECG machine beeping] 344 00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:45,165 [gentle music] 345 00:28:26,456 --> 00:28:27,749 It's a pretty intimidating 346 00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:30,126 position to be in, I think, for her. 347 00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:32,545 If rivals are trying to get to your husband, 348 00:28:32,671 --> 00:28:34,964 and those rivals get hold of you instead, 349 00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:39,594 it's very common for violence to be meted out 350 00:28:39,719 --> 00:28:41,971 against the women of powerful narcos. 351 00:28:42,097 --> 00:28:43,431 Rape is a part of that, 352 00:28:43,556 --> 00:28:46,267 body mutilation is a part of that. 353 00:28:46,351 --> 00:28:48,645 You know, to send a message to the powerful men 354 00:28:48,728 --> 00:28:49,938 that they're associated with. 355 00:28:51,022 --> 00:28:52,732 [in Spanish] 356 00:29:23,722 --> 00:29:27,225 [tense music] 357 00:29:42,782 --> 00:29:43,950 There's a lot of myth 358 00:29:44,034 --> 00:29:46,036 that shrouds Emma's family. 359 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,121 We know much more about sort of her family 360 00:29:48,246 --> 00:29:50,373 after El Chapo than before. 361 00:29:50,457 --> 00:29:53,918 Her father, he was certainly trafficking drugs afterwards. 362 00:29:54,002 --> 00:29:55,712 There's text exchanges that go to that, 363 00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:58,506 that were brought into the court record at El Chapo's trial. 364 00:30:11,728 --> 00:30:13,855 [in Spanish] 365 00:30:54,145 --> 00:30:56,564 [somber music] 366 00:31:01,861 --> 00:31:03,279 [gentle music] 367 00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:04,656 At this point, 368 00:31:04,781 --> 00:31:06,574 Emma's dealing with a lot. 369 00:31:06,616 --> 00:31:08,618 With the arrest of her father and brother, 370 00:31:08,660 --> 00:31:11,788 there is this sense that the Mexican authorities 371 00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:13,331 are closing in. 372 00:31:13,415 --> 00:31:14,749 There would of course been the fear 373 00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:16,501 that she was going to also lose her husband. 374 00:31:16,626 --> 00:31:19,212 And then, beyond all that, 375 00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:21,673 also knowing that there had been other women. 376 00:31:24,175 --> 00:31:27,929 He'd had wives before her, and never divorced them. 377 00:31:27,971 --> 00:31:30,932 And there's also infidelity. [camera flashes] 378 00:31:31,016 --> 00:31:34,436 Reams and reams of cheating. 379 00:31:34,602 --> 00:31:36,855 He didn't do drugs, he didn't really drink, 380 00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:42,777 but he ate Viagra like candy. He was addicted to women. 381 00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:46,573 [in Spanish] 382 00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:23,318 Chapo, he moved 383 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,489 from different hideouts in the mountains, 384 00:32:27,614 --> 00:32:32,202 but the problem was, again, women, 385 00:32:32,285 --> 00:32:37,457 when he went from the mountains to the cities to meet them. 386 00:32:37,499 --> 00:32:39,292 Had he stayed in the mountains, 387 00:32:39,376 --> 00:32:40,877 we would still be looking for him today. 388 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,006 [guitar music] 389 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,219 In 2014, Operation Gargoyle kicks off. 390 00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:53,640 We're teamed up with CIMAR, the Mexican Marines. 391 00:32:53,723 --> 00:32:58,061 One of the most highly trained, efficient Special Forces group 392 00:32:58,103 --> 00:32:59,854 in the world. 393 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:02,941 The DEA on the ground there is the strongest 394 00:33:02,982 --> 00:33:04,192 I've ever worked with. 395 00:33:04,234 --> 00:33:06,027 It was kind of the perfect storm, everything 396 00:33:06,111 --> 00:33:07,821 was coming together. 397 00:33:09,197 --> 00:33:12,575 We get the information about Culiac�n, 398 00:33:12,617 --> 00:33:15,412 that Chapo was in that area. 399 00:33:15,495 --> 00:33:19,749 They find out from informants that Chapo has seven houses, 400 00:33:19,791 --> 00:33:23,503 all connected by the tunnels in the sewer system. 401 00:33:23,628 --> 00:33:25,880 And he hides in different houses. 402 00:33:25,964 --> 00:33:27,757 [camera flashes] 403 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,759 And, as the team is clearing the various houses, 404 00:33:29,926 --> 00:33:36,683 they find an RPG, several guns, tons of methamphetamine, 405 00:33:36,725 --> 00:33:40,020 bunch of plastic bananas and stuff, 406 00:33:40,061 --> 00:33:41,563 so he could hide cocaine in it. 407 00:33:43,481 --> 00:33:45,817 And they found it, found the house that Chapo was at. 408 00:33:45,984 --> 00:33:49,112 [suspenseful music] 409 00:33:49,154 --> 00:33:50,238 [banging on door] 410 00:33:50,321 --> 00:33:52,407 [breaking door down] 411 00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:55,160 [in Spanish] �Arriba! �Arriba! 412 00:33:55,326 --> 00:33:56,619 They're clearing the house. 413 00:33:56,661 --> 00:33:58,079 [screaming] 414 00:33:58,204 --> 00:34:01,708 And they don't find anyone inside. 415 00:34:01,791 --> 00:34:05,962 But as they get in, they find an escape hatch, 416 00:34:06,046 --> 00:34:07,922 underneath the bathtub. 417 00:34:08,923 --> 00:34:12,802 As they're breaching the house, Chapo and his missus Cicero 418 00:34:12,886 --> 00:34:16,514 went down the tunnel and took off through the sewers. 419 00:34:16,556 --> 00:34:20,143 He slipped out of a bathroom trap door, down these stairs, 420 00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:23,188 into these underground tunnels, as Mexican authorities 421 00:34:23,271 --> 00:34:24,898 try to break down a steel door. 422 00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,653 Four days had passed, 423 00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:33,156 it was some people that thought, "Okay, he's gone." 424 00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:37,243 But the Mexican Marines and the DEA keep the pursuit 425 00:34:37,327 --> 00:34:39,954 and they keep monitoring all the communications. 426 00:34:41,664 --> 00:34:43,625 And we find out that Chapo's in Mazatl�n. 427 00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:47,128 [dramatic music] 428 00:34:51,716 --> 00:34:54,594 El Chapo is in disguise, 429 00:34:54,678 --> 00:34:58,890 and he's wheeled into the hotel Miramar in a wheelchair. 430 00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:01,601 He's wearing sunglasses, and he's hunkered down 431 00:35:01,768 --> 00:35:03,478 in the wheelchair. [elevator bell] 432 00:35:05,355 --> 00:35:07,816 And they usher him up to the fourth floor. 433 00:35:08,983 --> 00:35:10,694 [elevator bell] 434 00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:13,154 [in Spanish] 435 00:35:20,245 --> 00:35:21,496 [birds chirping] 436 00:35:52,777 --> 00:35:55,363 [suspenseful music] 437 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,503 They get there, 438 00:36:10,587 --> 00:36:12,130 they find a hotel. 439 00:36:12,172 --> 00:36:15,925 They surround the Miramar. 440 00:36:16,009 --> 00:36:18,511 They're pretty much convinced there's not a tunnel issue here, 441 00:36:18,636 --> 00:36:20,889 because he's on the fourth floor. 442 00:36:23,641 --> 00:36:25,935 [breaking glass] 443 00:36:26,102 --> 00:36:28,730 [in Spanish] 444 00:36:57,384 --> 00:36:59,260 [dramatic music] 445 00:36:59,344 --> 00:37:01,429 [background yelling] 446 00:37:01,513 --> 00:37:05,100 [in Spanish] 447 00:37:13,608 --> 00:37:15,026 Chapo was captured 448 00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:16,653 without a shot. 449 00:37:16,778 --> 00:37:20,448 No one was hurt, that's the biggest victory you could have. 450 00:37:22,534 --> 00:37:24,786 [in Spanish] 451 00:38:05,452 --> 00:38:07,704 Joaqu�n "El Chapo" Guzm�n, 452 00:38:07,787 --> 00:38:09,539 on the run for 13 years, 453 00:38:09,622 --> 00:38:10,832 his arrest tonight being called 454 00:38:10,999 --> 00:38:14,002 the biggest setback to the drug trade in three decades. 455 00:38:14,085 --> 00:38:17,964 We were all really surprised that he hung around, 456 00:38:18,048 --> 00:38:20,050 uh, he stayed in Mazatl�n. 457 00:38:20,091 --> 00:38:23,428 It was just amazing to us that someone who was so 458 00:38:23,511 --> 00:38:28,016 tactically smart would do something so tactically dumb. 459 00:38:28,099 --> 00:38:31,269 Kind of gave breath to the theory that Emma 460 00:38:31,353 --> 00:38:33,688 was truly his weakness. 461 00:38:33,772 --> 00:38:36,358 If it was so important to see her, 462 00:38:36,483 --> 00:38:38,902 that's what got him captured. 463 00:38:39,027 --> 00:38:41,905 [distant indistinct chattering] 464 00:38:41,946 --> 00:38:44,699 [in Spanish] 465 00:39:33,707 --> 00:39:35,917 [laughs] 466 00:39:38,628 --> 00:39:40,588 Emma was watching her family 467 00:39:40,672 --> 00:39:42,173 drop off like flies. 468 00:39:42,257 --> 00:39:46,052 All the most important men in her life, gone in a year's time. 469 00:39:46,177 --> 00:39:51,141 And her power, at that time, was very much rooted 470 00:39:51,224 --> 00:39:54,519 in her connections to these important men. 471 00:39:54,602 --> 00:39:58,773 So, losing them was going to forever change her life. 472 00:40:00,358 --> 00:40:02,277 [in Spanish] 473 00:40:12,203 --> 00:40:14,789 [crowd chanting] 474 00:40:17,709 --> 00:40:20,795 [in Spanish] 475 00:40:35,435 --> 00:40:37,020 In certain parts 476 00:40:37,103 --> 00:40:39,022 of Mexican society, you do have this hero worship 477 00:40:39,064 --> 00:40:40,607 around El Chapo. 478 00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:42,776 It's sort of like, "**** you" 479 00:40:42,859 --> 00:40:48,615 to the government and the systems that keep people down. 480 00:40:49,574 --> 00:40:51,242 If you go to cities like Culiac�n, 481 00:40:51,326 --> 00:40:53,661 if you go to the markets, you can buy anything from like 482 00:40:53,703 --> 00:40:55,789 caps and keyrings, and mugs and t-shirts, 483 00:40:55,914 --> 00:41:01,252 to a miniature figurine of El Chapo with a AK-47. 484 00:41:02,712 --> 00:41:07,759 El Chapo was born into grinding poverty, 485 00:41:07,842 --> 00:41:10,261 and then made it onto Forbes rich list. 486 00:41:11,513 --> 00:41:13,056 That, to a lot of people, 487 00:41:13,139 --> 00:41:15,892 is the rags to riches story to aspire to. 488 00:41:15,934 --> 00:41:19,729 El Chapo has cashed in on drug smuggling to the tune of 489 00:41:19,771 --> 00:41:21,981 a billion dollars, according to Forbes Magazine. 490 00:41:22,107 --> 00:41:25,402 He is uh, not available for interviews, 491 00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:27,195 because he's on the run! 492 00:41:27,278 --> 00:41:30,365 [in Spanish] 493 00:41:58,893 --> 00:42:00,395 I mean, how could she not 494 00:42:00,478 --> 00:42:01,563 have known about the money? 495 00:42:08,528 --> 00:42:11,031 Yes, there was money. 496 00:42:11,197 --> 00:42:13,116 I think she came to appreciate the lifestyle 497 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,911 of designer clothes and nice cars and all of that. 498 00:42:18,496 --> 00:42:22,459 You can't make this life on the souls of the people 499 00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:25,045 that have been tortured and killed by the Sinaloa Cartel, 500 00:42:25,086 --> 00:42:27,922 and not expect to have to answer to it. 501 00:42:29,507 --> 00:42:32,427 [in Spanish] 502 00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:00,455 If you want to be like, 503 00:43:00,580 --> 00:43:01,831 "When can we lay the blame? 504 00:43:01,956 --> 00:43:03,291 When can we say this was her fault?" 505 00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:06,711 Is she complicit in her husband's crimes? 506 00:43:07,462 --> 00:43:09,464 At this point, Emma's in her 20s 507 00:43:09,547 --> 00:43:13,093 and now this is the father of her children, 508 00:43:13,259 --> 00:43:15,929 so, you know, what was she supposed to do? 509 00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:17,931 Like, you can't leave that marriage. 510 00:43:18,056 --> 00:43:19,849 [tense music] 511 00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:22,602 I would imagine for a woman in her position, 512 00:43:22,686 --> 00:43:25,897 it was very hard to say no 513 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:29,025 to helping advance El Chapo's business. 514 00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:32,153 Especially, you know, when he was in prison. 515 00:43:34,864 --> 00:43:37,200 El Chapo is taken to a high-security prison 516 00:43:37,242 --> 00:43:38,702 called El Altiplano. 517 00:43:38,827 --> 00:43:41,329 And it's one of the highest security prisons 518 00:43:41,496 --> 00:43:42,580 in all of Mexico. 519 00:43:42,664 --> 00:43:43,540 [camera clicking] 520 00:43:43,665 --> 00:43:45,667 He has a cell to himself, 521 00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:47,794 Emma has moved into a town nearby 522 00:43:47,919 --> 00:43:50,046 and comes and visits often. 523 00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:52,590 But her visits to him in Altiplano 524 00:43:52,674 --> 00:43:54,300 would later have a huge impact. 525 00:43:54,384 --> 00:43:56,678 On both his life and hers. 526 00:43:58,722 --> 00:44:00,306 [in Spanish] 527 00:44:37,385 --> 00:44:40,597 [indistinct TV chatter] 528 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,559 And in July of 2015, 529 00:44:45,518 --> 00:44:48,730 El Chapo goes to his shower... 530 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,153 ...and slips down a hole. 531 00:44:55,278 --> 00:44:58,239 And this is all caught, y'know, on video camera. 532 00:44:58,365 --> 00:45:00,450 [tense music] 533 00:45:00,575 --> 00:45:04,079 Tonight, the top drug dealer in the world has done it again. 534 00:45:04,204 --> 00:45:05,789 For the second time, he just staged 535 00:45:05,872 --> 00:45:06,956 a spectacular escape. 536 00:45:06,998 --> 00:45:08,416 [in Spanish] 537 00:45:12,545 --> 00:45:16,508 I remember just being completely like, incredulous 538 00:45:16,633 --> 00:45:20,011 that he would escape in such a fashion. 539 00:45:20,512 --> 00:45:23,431 You just can't make things like that up. 540 00:45:24,516 --> 00:45:26,184 [in Spanish] 541 00:46:12,564 --> 00:46:14,566 [tense music] 542 00:46:19,904 --> 00:46:21,781 [audio cuts] 543 00:46:27,579 --> 00:46:29,748 [in Spanish] 544 00:46:38,798 --> 00:46:41,426 She can't really talk about the escape 545 00:46:41,509 --> 00:46:44,137 for fears of, you know, legal repercussions. 546 00:46:44,262 --> 00:46:46,306 I mean, she's still on probation 547 00:46:46,348 --> 00:46:48,183 and I don't think Emma wants to draw any more attention 548 00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:51,186 to what her role might have played in El Chapo's escape. 549 00:46:56,941 --> 00:46:59,819 Tonight, a frantic search continues for him 550 00:46:59,903 --> 00:47:02,655 as we get a better sense of the complexity of the tunnel 551 00:47:02,781 --> 00:47:04,532 through which he made his escape. 552 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:08,453 He becomes the GOAT of prisoner escapes. 553 00:47:08,578 --> 00:47:10,497 This is worldwide publicity. 554 00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:13,458 It's the second escape for the notorious drug kingpin. 555 00:47:13,541 --> 00:47:15,752 El Chapo's escape raises serious questions 556 00:47:15,835 --> 00:47:17,962 about potential corruption at that prison. 557 00:47:18,046 --> 00:47:19,631 Everybody was laughing, saying, 558 00:47:19,714 --> 00:47:22,717 "Come on! Chapo escaped again?" 559 00:47:22,759 --> 00:47:25,261 Yep. He did. 560 00:47:26,054 --> 00:47:30,433 Every aspect of this escape was very well thought out. 561 00:47:31,226 --> 00:47:35,230 Figuring out how far away they needed to start the tunnel, 562 00:47:35,355 --> 00:47:37,440 the land they would need to get so they had 563 00:47:37,565 --> 00:47:39,526 full access to that area. 564 00:47:39,651 --> 00:47:42,112 Guzman was last seen on a security camera 565 00:47:42,195 --> 00:47:43,488 entering a shower area. 566 00:47:43,571 --> 00:47:46,491 He slipped into a 20-by-20 inch hole, 567 00:47:46,574 --> 00:47:48,993 down a ladder, into an elaborate tunnel 568 00:47:49,035 --> 00:47:50,954 made of wood and PVC pipe. 569 00:47:51,913 --> 00:47:55,083 And the tunnel itself is ventilated. 570 00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:57,961 He has a motorbike, 571 00:47:58,003 --> 00:48:02,090 he can just go the mile distance through the tunnel. 572 00:48:04,217 --> 00:48:06,511 This is easy, this is set up, this is planned. 573 00:48:08,221 --> 00:48:10,598 It's something that would be like, written for the movies. 574 00:48:10,682 --> 00:48:12,559 [in Spanish] 575 00:48:19,232 --> 00:48:21,109 At the time, I was covering news in Mexico 576 00:48:21,192 --> 00:48:23,945 and the entire press corps was just like, 577 00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:26,197 disbelieving and amused. 578 00:48:26,906 --> 00:48:29,492 It had to be literally one of the most embarrassing things 579 00:48:29,617 --> 00:48:32,746 for the Mexican government in probably decades. 580 00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:35,331 For them to say, "Okay, now we have him. 581 00:48:35,373 --> 00:48:36,916 Oops, he's gone." 582 00:48:37,375 --> 00:48:39,210 [in Spanish] 583 00:48:46,509 --> 00:48:48,678 He just goes right back to the life that he'd had 584 00:48:48,762 --> 00:48:49,929 before he'd been incarcerated. 585 00:48:50,013 --> 00:48:51,973 Today, pictures surfaced on social media 586 00:48:52,057 --> 00:48:54,934 purporting to show Guzman after his escape. 587 00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:56,936 It obviously went to his head. 588 00:48:57,479 --> 00:49:00,148 And that actually kind of worked out in our advantage. 589 00:49:01,274 --> 00:49:03,318 He becomes a little bit more, 590 00:49:03,443 --> 00:49:05,653 almost flaunting that they can't get him. 591 00:49:05,737 --> 00:49:08,114 He even invites Kate del Castillo and Sean Penn 592 00:49:08,198 --> 00:49:10,075 to come visit him while he's in hiding. 593 00:49:10,158 --> 00:49:13,119 To talk about making a movie about his life. 594 00:49:13,161 --> 00:49:16,456 And there's all these photos of them together. 595 00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:20,835 Him meeting with Sean Penn Miss del Castillo, 596 00:49:20,919 --> 00:49:24,756 that was something Chapo would not have done years before. 597 00:49:25,757 --> 00:49:28,134 And that eventually leads to Sean Penn's interview. 598 00:49:28,218 --> 00:49:29,928 An article in Rolling Stone. 599 00:49:30,762 --> 00:49:32,263 [in Spanish] 600 00:49:45,819 --> 00:49:47,654 You don't invite famous people to come 601 00:49:47,737 --> 00:49:49,447 hang out with you while you're in hiding 602 00:49:49,489 --> 00:49:52,242 if you're, you know, really doing it well. 603 00:49:52,784 --> 00:49:56,579 At that point, I think he just thought he was Teflon. 604 00:49:56,663 --> 00:49:58,331 He just got very sloppy. 605 00:49:58,415 --> 00:50:04,587 I was stunned that he would risk, uh, our trip, 606 00:50:04,671 --> 00:50:05,797 I was stunned. 607 00:50:05,922 --> 00:50:07,632 [crickets chirping] 608 00:50:12,262 --> 00:50:14,389 [in Spanish] 609 00:50:38,705 --> 00:50:41,374 Two weeks later, investigators are hot on the trail 610 00:50:41,416 --> 00:50:43,752 of El Chapo once again. 611 00:50:45,128 --> 00:50:47,630 We're relying heavily on electronic mine frame, 612 00:50:47,714 --> 00:50:49,507 that's the big thing. 613 00:50:49,591 --> 00:50:52,177 We developed intelligence that a safe house is being built 614 00:50:52,260 --> 00:50:53,803 for Chapo and Los Muchis. 615 00:50:53,928 --> 00:50:55,555 [phone ringing] 616 00:50:55,638 --> 00:50:57,640 And we get the information 617 00:50:57,766 --> 00:50:59,893 that Grandma is coming, 618 00:50:59,976 --> 00:51:02,270 and that's the new codename for Chapo. 619 00:51:05,231 --> 00:51:07,442 And next thing you know, 620 00:51:07,567 --> 00:51:09,986 Chapo ordered a whole bunch of tacos 621 00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:12,447 and had 'em brought to the house. 622 00:51:12,572 --> 00:51:15,450 The Mexican Marines stormed the door. 623 00:51:16,826 --> 00:51:18,453 [explosion] 624 00:51:18,578 --> 00:51:20,538 Immediately, a firefight breaks out. 625 00:51:20,622 --> 00:51:22,457 [gunfire] 626 00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:25,251 [all shouting] 627 00:51:25,293 --> 00:51:26,836 [gunfire] 628 00:51:26,878 --> 00:51:28,338 [shouting in Spanish] 629 00:51:29,297 --> 00:51:33,009 This time, he's not with his wife and children 630 00:51:33,093 --> 00:51:35,720 and he is ultimately detained and arrested. 631 00:51:38,223 --> 00:51:39,599 [in Spanish] 632 00:52:30,191 --> 00:52:32,277 El Chapo's capture ends the biggest manhunt 633 00:52:32,402 --> 00:52:33,445 in Mexican history. 634 00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:35,321 He was apprehended in Mexico 635 00:52:35,447 --> 00:52:37,699 six months after he tunneled his way out... 636 00:52:38,742 --> 00:52:41,036 [in Spanish] 637 00:52:45,915 --> 00:52:47,584 [truck horn honking] 638 00:52:47,709 --> 00:52:49,627 [tires squealing] 639 00:52:52,213 --> 00:52:54,299 El Chapo's capture ends the biggest manhunt 640 00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:55,759 in Mexican history. 641 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,553 [in Spanish] 642 00:52:58,636 --> 00:52:59,763 [truck horn honking] 643 00:52:59,888 --> 00:53:01,806 [tires squealing] 644 00:54:10,959 --> 00:54:14,713 As you looked into his eyes, you can see the surprise. 645 00:54:14,754 --> 00:54:16,881 You can see the shock. 646 00:54:16,965 --> 00:54:19,968 And to a certain extent, you can actually see the fear. 647 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,639 [in Spanish] 648 00:54:38,611 --> 00:54:41,573 For us, it was the ultimate victory dance. 649 00:54:41,656 --> 00:54:44,617 That's when we knew we won. No doubt. 650 00:54:44,701 --> 00:54:46,953 When you think back on all the man hours 651 00:54:47,037 --> 00:54:49,289 and the sweat you put into 652 00:54:49,330 --> 00:54:52,208 locating this very evil person. 653 00:54:52,292 --> 00:54:54,878 After all the pain and sorrow 654 00:54:54,961 --> 00:54:57,672 and loss of life that Chapo brought to the United States, 655 00:54:58,882 --> 00:55:00,592 his extradition to the US, 656 00:55:00,675 --> 00:55:02,844 it was a proud moment for all of us. 657 00:55:05,638 --> 00:55:07,849 There's good and bad in everybody. 658 00:55:07,932 --> 00:55:10,268 I judge him based on 659 00:55:10,352 --> 00:55:12,771 how he has treated me all these years. 660 00:55:12,854 --> 00:55:16,441 PRODUCER: Tell us how you got involved Joaquin Guzman. 661 00:55:19,361 --> 00:55:23,281 I took the bar on February 2018 in New York. 662 00:55:23,323 --> 00:55:25,492 And as I was waiting for the results, 663 00:55:25,533 --> 00:55:27,786 on Craigslist, there was an ad. 664 00:55:27,869 --> 00:55:30,330 Part-time job for a Spanish speaker, 665 00:55:30,372 --> 00:55:32,791 paralegal, criminal defence law firm. 666 00:55:32,916 --> 00:55:34,959 So I was like, "Okay, bingo, that's me." 667 00:55:35,043 --> 00:55:36,795 So when they said, "Before you accept, 668 00:55:36,836 --> 00:55:39,339 the client is Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman." 669 00:55:42,050 --> 00:55:44,678 I was like, "Awesome, great. Where do I start? 670 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,429 Now I want to start, like, tomorrow!" 671 00:55:46,513 --> 00:55:50,975 I mean, you have the biggest criminal trial of the century. 672 00:55:51,059 --> 00:55:53,770 Attorneys work 30, 40 years in their career 673 00:55:53,895 --> 00:55:55,480 to land a case like this. 674 00:55:55,605 --> 00:55:59,567 So I saw it as a professional opportunity right away. 675 00:56:01,361 --> 00:56:03,363 When I met Mr. Guzman, 676 00:56:03,488 --> 00:56:05,281 we had a glass dividing us, 677 00:56:05,407 --> 00:56:07,909 he put his hand on the glass and I put my hand on the glass, 678 00:56:07,992 --> 00:56:11,913 and that was like, our first hello, and we talked. 679 00:56:11,955 --> 00:56:15,583 I love talking, he loves talking, so we clicked. 680 00:56:17,043 --> 00:56:20,255 I met Emma not long after I met El Chapo. 681 00:56:20,296 --> 00:56:22,757 Emma and I became friends pretty quickly 682 00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:25,468 because of the amount of time that we were spending together, 683 00:56:25,552 --> 00:56:27,470 and then she moved to New York 684 00:56:27,512 --> 00:56:29,055 basically when the trial started. 685 00:56:29,139 --> 00:56:30,765 [in Spanish] 686 00:57:06,801 --> 00:57:08,386 The trial for the Mexican drug lord, 687 00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:11,181 Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman is underway. 688 00:57:11,222 --> 00:57:13,641 The police motorcade taking him to the courthouse 689 00:57:13,725 --> 00:57:14,851 in Brooklyn. 690 00:57:14,934 --> 00:57:16,436 Guzman pleaded not guilty 691 00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:17,729 to 17 counts 692 00:57:17,854 --> 00:57:19,481 including drug trafficking and murder. 693 00:57:19,522 --> 00:57:22,359 The trial definitely was a media circus. 694 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,777 [reporter walla] 695 00:57:25,362 --> 00:57:27,739 The press was there, waiting every day. 696 00:57:27,822 --> 00:57:30,950 Trying to get a few words out of her. 697 00:57:31,076 --> 00:57:33,119 [in Spanish] 698 00:57:33,244 --> 00:57:35,038 I would take Emma to court every morning. 699 00:57:35,121 --> 00:57:36,498 Excuse me. 'Scuse me. 700 00:57:37,165 --> 00:57:39,584 Take her back home after court. 701 00:57:39,668 --> 00:57:41,503 [camera clicking] 702 00:57:41,628 --> 00:57:44,130 I think she handled it really well. 703 00:57:45,256 --> 00:57:46,633 I don't know what I would have done 704 00:57:46,716 --> 00:57:48,051 had I been in her situation, 705 00:57:48,093 --> 00:57:51,221 I probably would have left crying almost every day. 706 00:57:51,304 --> 00:57:53,014 I admire her for that, you know. 707 00:57:55,517 --> 00:57:57,435 The first thing that Chapo would do 708 00:57:57,477 --> 00:57:58,645 when he would get into the courtroom 709 00:57:58,728 --> 00:58:01,147 was he would turn around and look for her. 710 00:58:02,607 --> 00:58:05,944 There was that constant longing and tension between them. 711 00:58:07,237 --> 00:58:10,532 Where they would be making faces and goo-goo eyes at each other. 712 00:58:11,282 --> 00:58:13,618 At least once or twice, the judge stopped 713 00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:16,371 the proceedings, like, "Hey, eyes up here." 714 00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:18,498 Because it would kind of get a little bit much. 715 00:58:20,333 --> 00:58:22,794 His story is paraded out 716 00:58:22,836 --> 00:58:25,296 and all the characters come in one by one, 717 00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:27,757 and they tell their version of events. 718 00:58:27,882 --> 00:58:30,135 Some of the guys wouldn't even look at Chapo. 719 00:58:30,218 --> 00:58:32,178 But others, you know, I think one guy kind of like, 720 00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:33,847 touched his heart and there'd be like, 721 00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:35,473 nods and there'd be like, appreciation, 722 00:58:35,515 --> 00:58:37,892 it was almost like a family reunion. 723 00:58:39,227 --> 00:58:41,312 The testimonies against Chapo mentioned that 724 00:58:41,354 --> 00:58:44,399 he ordered a lot of killings. 725 00:58:49,195 --> 00:58:54,534 Witness testimonies also portray him as a killer. 726 00:58:57,203 --> 00:58:59,539 And testimonies about enemies 727 00:58:59,581 --> 00:59:03,752 that he ordered to be buried alive. 728 00:59:08,048 --> 00:59:11,134 We would watch Emma during the proceedings 729 00:59:11,259 --> 00:59:14,179 to see, how does she respond, does she seem to already know? 730 00:59:14,721 --> 00:59:18,350 Like, what is this person's real feeling? 731 00:59:21,853 --> 00:59:24,606 [in Spanish] 732 01:00:46,771 --> 01:00:49,524 [in Spanish] 733 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,231 It's obvious who Chapo was. 734 01:01:30,273 --> 01:01:32,734 Everyone knew that if you crossed Chapo, 735 01:01:32,901 --> 01:01:34,694 you were putting your life in danger. 736 01:01:35,278 --> 01:01:38,740 Chapo was involved violence, a lot of violence. 737 01:01:39,491 --> 01:01:40,867 In my opinion, 738 01:01:40,909 --> 01:01:43,745 I believe she had to at least hear 739 01:01:43,828 --> 01:01:45,830 about the killings. 740 01:01:45,914 --> 01:01:50,377 Or she probably listened to some orders 741 01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:53,880 given to kill someone by her husband. 742 01:01:55,215 --> 01:01:56,966 During the whole trial, 743 01:01:57,092 --> 01:02:00,345 she didn't have any expression of surprise. 744 01:02:02,847 --> 01:02:05,100 [in Spanish] 745 01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:20,824 Throughout much of the trial, 746 01:02:20,865 --> 01:02:24,494 Emma had been really stoic until Lucero's testimony. 747 01:02:25,161 --> 01:02:28,873 Lucero was one of the women in Chapo's trial 748 01:02:28,915 --> 01:02:30,333 who was a lover of his, 749 01:02:30,375 --> 01:02:32,460 but she was also quite entrenched in the business. 750 01:02:35,547 --> 01:02:38,466 Lucero immediately asserts ownership over El Chapo. 751 01:02:38,508 --> 01:02:42,512 She refers to him as "my husband, Joaquin." 752 01:02:42,595 --> 01:02:45,598 And Emma, she's having a little bit of a hard time. 753 01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,145 That's when you saw the woman. 754 01:02:52,564 --> 01:02:54,566 [in Spanish] 755 01:03:14,544 --> 01:03:19,090 The day after Lucero's first day of testimony, 756 01:03:19,174 --> 01:03:21,384 everybody looks from Emma to El Chapo 757 01:03:21,468 --> 01:03:23,762 and we realize that they're wearing matching 758 01:03:23,803 --> 01:03:25,764 maroon velvet blazers. 759 01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:28,850 [in Spanish] 760 01:03:42,113 --> 01:03:44,407 It sort of felt like this was Emma's way of asserting 761 01:03:44,449 --> 01:03:46,076 ownership over her husband. 762 01:03:47,035 --> 01:03:50,080 You're referring to my husband as your husband, 763 01:03:50,121 --> 01:03:52,207 but he is with me 764 01:03:52,290 --> 01:03:55,001 and he is saying that through what he's wearing. 765 01:03:56,628 --> 01:03:57,962 [in Spanish] 766 01:04:04,219 --> 01:04:06,680 Literally after that day of testimony, 767 01:04:06,805 --> 01:04:08,348 I looked at Emma and I said, 768 01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:10,934 "Oh, what's this with the jackets?" 769 01:04:11,101 --> 01:04:13,395 And she looked at me and she smiled and she said, 770 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,189 "Que coincidencia." What a coincidence. 771 01:04:20,026 --> 01:04:22,237 Let me get the door! Outta the way. Out of the way. 772 01:04:22,404 --> 01:04:25,073 There was also a cloud of suspicion around her, 773 01:04:25,156 --> 01:04:27,617 because there's this sense that any moment, 774 01:04:27,701 --> 01:04:29,911 that she could be implicated. 775 01:04:31,413 --> 01:04:33,581 During the trial, 776 01:04:33,665 --> 01:04:35,750 there were a couple of mentions of her, 777 01:04:35,875 --> 01:04:39,838 but really Emma wasn't implicated publicly 778 01:04:40,005 --> 01:04:42,716 until Domaso Lopez. 779 01:04:45,677 --> 01:04:49,639 Damaso Lopez was the godfather 780 01:04:49,723 --> 01:04:52,434 of one of Chapo's twins with Emma. 781 01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,979 He was his right hand at the end. 782 01:04:56,062 --> 01:04:59,774 He was there with one purpose. 783 01:04:59,858 --> 01:05:04,738 To describe how he escaped. 784 01:05:06,031 --> 01:05:07,824 Who was involved. 785 01:05:07,949 --> 01:05:11,327 This was when other people in the room started to see 786 01:05:11,494 --> 01:05:14,706 that there was more to Emma than her curvaceous figure 787 01:05:14,748 --> 01:05:16,332 and her nice outfits. 788 01:05:16,374 --> 01:05:18,293 [tense music] 789 01:05:24,215 --> 01:05:26,593 Damaso Lopez Nunez testified 790 01:05:26,676 --> 01:05:29,220 that Emma did take part in the escape. 791 01:05:31,306 --> 01:05:33,850 Damaso's orchestrating things from the outside 792 01:05:33,892 --> 01:05:36,144 while Chapo's orchestrating things from the inside. 793 01:05:36,227 --> 01:05:38,938 And Emma is that go-between. 794 01:05:39,731 --> 01:05:41,566 Her role intensifies 795 01:05:41,649 --> 01:05:44,277 as the plans continue to take shape. 796 01:05:45,779 --> 01:05:48,698 She allegedly is quite likely 797 01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:54,037 the very person who sneaks a GPS device to El Chapo 798 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,749 so that they can determine his exact coordinates in the cell. 799 01:05:59,209 --> 01:06:02,045 And I think when people realize that thing that El Chapo 800 01:06:02,128 --> 01:06:03,463 was most famous for... 801 01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:05,173 El Chapo has done it again. 802 01:06:05,256 --> 01:06:06,466 The spectacular escape... 803 01:06:06,591 --> 01:06:08,635 ...was in part helped by Emma. 804 01:06:09,803 --> 01:06:11,513 That was an interesting mindshift. 805 01:06:11,638 --> 01:06:13,390 When people stopped looking just at Chapo 806 01:06:13,515 --> 01:06:15,475 and started turning to the woman sitting alone 807 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,686 on the second row in court. 808 01:06:26,528 --> 01:06:28,321 [sighs] 809 01:06:28,363 --> 01:06:30,573 In testimony during El Chapo's trial, 810 01:06:30,699 --> 01:06:34,202 it comes out that she had a part in his escape. 811 01:06:36,621 --> 01:06:38,873 [in Spanish] 812 01:06:48,425 --> 01:06:51,803 She had the option to never come back. 813 01:06:51,845 --> 01:06:53,096 "Okay, they're talking about me, 814 01:06:53,179 --> 01:06:55,098 I'm going to get the hell out of here 815 01:06:55,181 --> 01:06:57,517 and good luck finding me in Mexico." 816 01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,060 - Walk away. - 'Scuse me. 817 01:06:59,978 --> 01:07:00,979 Come on now. 818 01:07:01,021 --> 01:07:02,731 Move out the way of the vehicle! 819 01:07:03,356 --> 01:07:04,899 But she didn't do that. 820 01:07:05,483 --> 01:07:06,735 Hey! 821 01:07:06,818 --> 01:07:09,070 [in Spanish] 822 01:07:30,759 --> 01:07:32,385 [sighs] 823 01:07:32,427 --> 01:07:34,220 I'm not... I can't answer that. 824 01:07:37,515 --> 01:07:39,684 [in Spanish] 825 01:08:13,134 --> 01:08:15,637 [intriguing music] 826 01:08:18,556 --> 01:08:20,809 They took days deliberating. 827 01:08:21,309 --> 01:08:25,397 Then I remember that, y'know, we're all just anxious, waiting. 828 01:08:26,731 --> 01:08:30,819 Minutes ago, a federal jury here in the eastern district 829 01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:36,157 convicted Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman Loera 830 01:08:36,282 --> 01:08:38,034 on all counts. 831 01:08:38,118 --> 01:08:42,997 The jury found that Guzman led the Sinaloa cartel. 832 01:08:43,081 --> 01:08:45,583 And that he's responsible for the smuggling 833 01:08:45,667 --> 01:08:48,586 of massive amounts of narcotics into the United States 834 01:08:48,628 --> 01:08:50,964 and violence, including murders, 835 01:08:51,131 --> 01:08:54,384 his conviction will bring a sentence of life 836 01:08:54,467 --> 01:08:57,429 without the possibility of parole. 837 01:08:57,554 --> 01:09:00,890 It is a sentence from which there is no escape 838 01:09:00,932 --> 01:09:02,350 and no return. 839 01:09:05,270 --> 01:09:07,188 [in Spanish] 840 01:09:09,649 --> 01:09:11,401 Guys! Come on! Come on! 841 01:09:11,443 --> 01:09:13,361 [in Spanish] 842 01:09:31,838 --> 01:09:33,423 [sighs] 843 01:09:33,506 --> 01:09:36,426 We were disappointed. Still, we were sad. 844 01:09:37,302 --> 01:09:40,388 But our client Guzman was the one that kept on saying, 845 01:09:40,472 --> 01:09:42,599 you know what, guys, you did a great job. 846 01:09:43,141 --> 01:09:46,144 Ultimately, I think they couldn't get past the fact 847 01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:48,855 that it was "El Chapo" Guzman, you know. 848 01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:53,360 There was no doubt in my mind he was going to be convicted. 849 01:09:55,028 --> 01:09:57,947 When he was convicted, it was a great moment. 850 01:09:58,782 --> 01:10:01,743 What we wanted to do was show the world 851 01:10:01,826 --> 01:10:03,328 that the rule of law works. 852 01:10:03,953 --> 01:10:06,790 If you ruin lives and you murder people, 853 01:10:06,873 --> 01:10:08,792 we will come get you, 854 01:10:08,833 --> 01:10:11,795 no matter how big or how rich or how famous you are, 855 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,505 and you will stand trial, 856 01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:16,424 and you will be punished if you're found guilty. 857 01:10:17,300 --> 01:10:19,886 To those individuals out there 858 01:10:19,969 --> 01:10:21,888 that are involved in drug trafficking as 859 01:10:22,013 --> 01:10:23,807 El Chapo was, 860 01:10:23,890 --> 01:10:26,309 you are not unreachable, 861 01:10:26,393 --> 01:10:29,270 you are not untouchable, 862 01:10:29,396 --> 01:10:32,065 and your day will come. 863 01:10:37,862 --> 01:10:39,948 [in Spanish] 864 01:11:03,555 --> 01:11:05,932 [suspenseful music] 865 01:11:42,218 --> 01:11:44,429 The wife of the world's most notorious drug lord, 866 01:11:44,471 --> 01:11:47,724 Emma Coronel Aispuro, arrested Monday. 867 01:11:48,558 --> 01:11:52,020 Coronel is charged with both conspiring with her husband 868 01:11:52,103 --> 01:11:55,732 to distribute drugs and conspiring with El Chapo 869 01:11:55,815 --> 01:11:59,027 to spring him from a Mexican supermax prison. 870 01:11:59,778 --> 01:12:03,531 She got arrested and I flew into DC that same night. 871 01:12:03,573 --> 01:12:06,368 After that, then we started working on the case. 872 01:12:06,451 --> 01:12:08,953 PRODUCER: Did she ever consider going to trial? 873 01:12:08,995 --> 01:12:15,001 No, because she has two daughters that needed her 874 01:12:15,085 --> 01:12:17,295 and if she went to trial and lost, 875 01:12:17,379 --> 01:12:19,964 she could have faced life in prison. 876 01:12:22,342 --> 01:12:24,386 After Emma was arrested, 877 01:12:24,511 --> 01:12:28,306 we began corresponding while she was incarcerated. 878 01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:38,441 She spends some really gruelling first few days in Virginia 879 01:12:38,525 --> 01:12:40,694 as she waits for her court date. 880 01:12:42,237 --> 01:12:44,781 She was on her period when she was arrested 881 01:12:44,906 --> 01:12:50,578 and they gave her like, two pads the entire four days. 882 01:12:51,371 --> 01:12:53,415 And they also wouldn't let her take a shower, 883 01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:55,375 and she didn't know how to ask for a shower 884 01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:57,293 and so she was like, on the phone 885 01:12:57,377 --> 01:12:59,254 with one of her lawyers, Mariel, 886 01:12:59,337 --> 01:13:02,090 and Mariel is like, spelling out S-H-O-- 887 01:13:02,173 --> 01:13:04,134 [spelling in Spanish] 888 01:13:04,175 --> 01:13:05,802 "Blanket," that was another word 889 01:13:05,844 --> 01:13:09,264 that I helped her with, because she was cold, so... 890 01:13:09,305 --> 01:13:11,808 She is, you know, put in solitary, 891 01:13:11,933 --> 01:13:14,602 which of course, they say they do for her safety 892 01:13:14,686 --> 01:13:16,938 and there was certainly a safety element to it, 893 01:13:17,022 --> 01:13:19,274 but that's also incredibly lonely. 894 01:13:20,025 --> 01:13:21,776 [in Spanish] 895 01:13:46,801 --> 01:13:48,970 [acoustic guitar music] 896 01:13:49,054 --> 01:13:51,348 The wife of jailed Mexican drug lord 897 01:13:51,389 --> 01:13:54,225 Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman is reportedly going to plead 898 01:13:54,351 --> 01:13:55,810 guilty this morning. 899 01:13:56,353 --> 01:13:58,229 [in Spanish] 900 01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:06,279 I'm going to be brief. 901 01:14:06,738 --> 01:14:09,074 She got a 36-month sentence. 902 01:14:09,491 --> 01:14:10,617 Vaya con dios. 903 01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:11,993 [cameras clicking] 904 01:14:19,417 --> 01:14:21,795 [in Spanish] 905 01:15:30,947 --> 01:15:33,783 The wife of the infamous Mexican drug lord known 906 01:15:33,867 --> 01:15:36,703 as El Chapo was released from federal custody today. 907 01:15:36,786 --> 01:15:39,372 As part of her release, she will have to be supervised 908 01:15:39,414 --> 01:15:40,790 for four years. 909 01:15:40,874 --> 01:15:43,585 And she will have to give up $1.5 million dollars. 910 01:15:45,628 --> 01:15:48,173 The money issue is really an interesting... 911 01:15:48,882 --> 01:15:52,218 Chapo asked to turn over more than 12 and a half billion. 912 01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:56,681 That might not even be all of what they've accumulated. 913 01:15:56,765 --> 01:15:58,641 PRODUCER: And where do you think the money is? 914 01:15:58,725 --> 01:16:00,685 That's a good question. Um... 915 01:16:02,062 --> 01:16:04,064 I wish I knew. 916 01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:06,566 There was a joke in the team, 917 01:16:06,691 --> 01:16:08,526 that Chapo's money was like 918 01:16:08,568 --> 01:16:11,154 the last scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark. 919 01:16:11,196 --> 01:16:14,616 Somewhere, instead of just being one crate, there's like, 920 01:16:14,699 --> 01:16:16,868 5,000 crates stacked full of money 921 01:16:16,993 --> 01:16:18,953 and some little guy's just pushing them through a warehouse 922 01:16:19,037 --> 01:16:20,663 some place. 923 01:16:20,747 --> 01:16:23,333 You know. It's out there. 924 01:16:24,793 --> 01:16:27,253 PRODUCER: And do you think that she has access to any of it? 925 01:16:27,295 --> 01:16:28,922 You know, I don't know. 926 01:16:28,963 --> 01:16:30,674 That would be incredibly dangerous for her 927 01:16:30,757 --> 01:16:34,803 because it would only lead to her getting more time in prison. 928 01:16:36,054 --> 01:16:38,139 [in Spanish] 929 01:17:23,643 --> 01:17:25,020 [upbeat music] 930 01:18:00,889 --> 01:18:03,683 I wrote a corrido about Emma, yeah, a song about Emma. 931 01:18:03,767 --> 01:18:05,727 La Senora. 932 01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:08,021 [singing in Spanish] 933 01:18:19,866 --> 01:18:21,743 I'm still a full-time attorney, 934 01:18:21,868 --> 01:18:24,788 but now I also have another full-time career, 935 01:18:24,913 --> 01:18:26,498 which is singing. 936 01:18:26,623 --> 01:18:28,541 [singing in Spanish] 937 01:18:29,459 --> 01:18:32,087 The song is 100 percent inspired by her. 938 01:18:32,212 --> 01:18:34,881 The message is people should not judge you 939 01:18:34,964 --> 01:18:37,509 based on one bad season of your life. 940 01:18:37,592 --> 01:18:40,553 She's a boss of her own destiny, of her own life. 941 01:18:41,262 --> 01:18:43,098 The video appearance with Mariel, 942 01:18:43,223 --> 01:18:45,433 Emma is playing the part of cartel boss 943 01:18:45,517 --> 01:18:47,310 when she clearly wasn't. 944 01:18:47,352 --> 01:18:48,895 She was a cartel boss wife. 945 01:18:48,978 --> 01:18:51,940 That fascinates people too, about her. 946 01:18:52,023 --> 01:18:53,942 She's a little big enigmatic 947 01:18:54,025 --> 01:18:57,362 and very much controls the way she projects herself 948 01:18:57,404 --> 01:18:58,655 to the world. 949 01:18:58,697 --> 01:19:01,074 [upbeat Spanish music] 950 01:19:11,042 --> 01:19:13,920 Whether she can escape the cartel 951 01:19:13,962 --> 01:19:15,797 is sort of a question of her own making 952 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,091 because she's also so famous 953 01:19:18,174 --> 01:19:20,468 and it's a fame that she's cultivated. 954 01:19:23,304 --> 01:19:26,641 But I think I would be treading very carefully from now on, 955 01:19:26,725 --> 01:19:28,101 were I her, 956 01:19:28,184 --> 01:19:32,230 in terms of what she says about her life 957 01:19:32,355 --> 01:19:33,773 before she was incarcerated. 958 01:19:36,860 --> 01:19:38,653 Many of the people 959 01:19:38,737 --> 01:19:41,114 that she was involved with during that time 960 01:19:41,156 --> 01:19:43,950 remain in Mexico's criminal underworld. 961 01:19:43,992 --> 01:19:46,494 So they're going to be watching very closely, 962 01:19:46,536 --> 01:19:49,039 everything she says and everything she does. 963 01:19:49,164 --> 01:19:52,584 Though I'm sure she's deeply conscious of that. 964 01:20:00,133 --> 01:20:02,761 We live in a day and age 965 01:20:02,844 --> 01:20:06,097 where a lot of people are obsessed with true crime. 966 01:20:06,222 --> 01:20:08,641 It gives you your bad guys, it gives you your good guys, 967 01:20:08,725 --> 01:20:11,311 it tells you the people that you get to root for. 968 01:20:12,645 --> 01:20:16,524 The thing is, there's no story that is that black and white. 969 01:20:16,649 --> 01:20:19,736 And certainly when you have a 17-year-old 970 01:20:19,819 --> 01:20:22,739 who is married to a high-powered drug lord, 971 01:20:22,781 --> 01:20:25,408 what was she supposed to do? 972 01:20:25,492 --> 01:20:27,118 She couldn't tell him no. 973 01:20:27,869 --> 01:20:29,704 Is a 17-year-old really capable 974 01:20:29,788 --> 01:20:31,790 of making such a crucial decision 975 01:20:31,873 --> 01:20:33,208 that's going to impact the rest of her life? 976 01:20:33,333 --> 01:20:35,043 I don't think she was mature enough 977 01:20:35,168 --> 01:20:36,503 to make that decision. 978 01:20:36,628 --> 01:20:39,214 But unfortunately, the way that the world works, 979 01:20:39,255 --> 01:20:41,758 it's something that she's going to have to live with. 980 01:20:41,883 --> 01:20:45,595 As most people see it, she chose evil over good. 981 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,514 [gunfire] 982 01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:51,893 The war on drugs, it's already lost. 983 01:20:52,852 --> 01:20:55,980 And around 200 people die 984 01:20:56,022 --> 01:20:58,316 every 24 hours in the US. 985 01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,567 By an overdose. 986 01:21:00,485 --> 01:21:02,987 Nobody knows exactly the number of people 987 01:21:03,113 --> 01:21:06,282 who already died in Mexico because of the war on drugs. 988 01:21:06,408 --> 01:21:08,535 [sobbing] 989 01:21:08,576 --> 01:21:09,994 Narco traffickers 990 01:21:10,036 --> 01:21:12,372 don't see anything wrong. 991 01:21:12,455 --> 01:21:14,666 They don't feel any guilt. 992 01:21:14,749 --> 01:21:19,045 They see Narco traffic as a normal business. 993 01:21:19,671 --> 01:21:21,506 And people die 994 01:21:21,589 --> 01:21:24,050 because of the nature of the business. 995 01:21:25,343 --> 01:21:27,470 She was living off the profits 996 01:21:27,512 --> 01:21:30,849 of all the poison that the Sinaloa cartel had sold. 997 01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:33,059 That's part of the crime. 998 01:21:33,143 --> 01:21:35,103 I think she got a good deal. 999 01:21:35,186 --> 01:21:37,897 And she did her time. 1000 01:21:37,981 --> 01:21:39,566 She's not the perfect victim 1001 01:21:39,691 --> 01:21:42,777 but she's also not your quintessential criminal. 1002 01:21:43,737 --> 01:21:45,363 She was a pawn in a game 1003 01:21:45,488 --> 01:21:48,158 that she very much learned how to play 1004 01:21:48,241 --> 01:21:50,535 and she found a way to get out of the game. 1005 01:21:50,577 --> 01:21:52,954 And most people don't do that. 1006 01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:54,664 There's good and there's bad, like I said. 1007 01:21:54,789 --> 01:21:57,667 And I don't think that some of the life choices 1008 01:21:57,792 --> 01:22:00,045 should define a person. 1009 01:22:00,170 --> 01:22:01,713 She's learned a lot, 1010 01:22:01,796 --> 01:22:03,965 and I think that at the end of the day, 1011 01:22:04,049 --> 01:22:07,719 she is ready to put this past her 1012 01:22:07,802 --> 01:22:11,097 and start fresh with her daughters. 1013 01:22:13,058 --> 01:22:15,435 [in Spanish] 1014 01:23:13,660 --> 01:23:15,203 PRODUCER 1: Is there anything else that... 1015 01:23:15,328 --> 01:23:17,372 PRODUCER 2: No, I think it's good. 1016 01:23:20,458 --> 01:23:22,210 [in Spanish] 1017 01:24:39,245 --> 01:24:41,623 [acoustic guitar music]