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<i>Should the application be approved?</i>

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<i>You will receive a copy of my recommendations -</i>

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<i>- and can participate in the board meeting</i>
<i>and give them the information directly.</i>

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<i>I need information</i>
<i>concerning four factors.</i>

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<i>Let's see how to get out!</i>
<i>Watch out for the electric cables!</i>

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<i>It looks like part of the building</i>
<i>is completely blown away.</i>

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<i>We fly around on the other side,</i>
<i>so I can see it better.</i>

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<i>The explosion happened around 9.</i>
<i>It could be felt in the editorial office.</i>

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<i>And we are 7 kilometers from the center.</i>

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<i>The helicopter circles the building.</i>
<i>Now look there! Unbelievable.</i>

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<i>One side of the building is gone.</i>

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<i>A third of the building is gone.</i>
<i>It's terrible.</i>

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HIDDEN WAR
AGAINST CHRISTIAN AMERICANS

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FBI HAS THE FUGITIVE
"RIGHT IN FRONT OF US"

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ENGAGED IN FLAMES

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I was not in the office that morning.

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I was at a charity event
just 45 kilometers away.

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We were supposed to start at 9,
but then my phone rang.

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I was told that there had been
an explosion in the Murrah Building.

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I feared there was
thousands killed and wounded.

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There could easily be
a few thousand people in the building.

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I worked in the task force
at the Oklahoma City Police Department.

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We started right away
to work our way towards the building.

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There were several vehicles on it
a parking lot north of the building.

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They all burned together.
Black smoke billowed up.

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There was a hole in the ground
the size of a swimming pool.

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Nine meters in diameter
and about two and a half meters deep.

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Then I really understood,
that it was a bomb.

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Ninth floor fell into eighth,
and the eighth floor fell into the seventh.

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When they hit the sixth floor,
I was thrown into the wall.

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I had a fractured skull
and lay unconscious in the ruins.

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My office was on the eighth floor.
Close to the lifts.

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I quickly came to the hooks,
but I couldn't see anything.

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My eyes were badly closed.
I could hear the wailing.

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I felt I should do something
but I couldn't.

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When I arrived, I could see
that there were people trapped in the building.

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They had to be rescued.

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I made my way inside
and thought to myself:

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“Why Peaceful Oklahoma City?
Nothing ever happens here."

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"That kind of thing shouldn't happen here."

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When I arrived at the crime scene,
everything pointed to a bomb attack.

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I had researched internationally
terrorism at FBI headquarters.

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Often in the Middle East.

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It reminded a lot of the buildings,
which was blown up in Beirut -

45
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- and similar places.

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We have always received threats.

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When you told someone,
that their case had been dismissed -

48
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- then we got threats -

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- but never anything,
which we took seriously.

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A violent explosion has occurred
in a building in Oklahoma City.

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A large area of the building
has crashed.

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We have no number of injured or dead.

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But we can say
that the situation is very serious.

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I tried to visualize the building.
Where would he be?

55
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If I were to dig for my son,
where would it be then?

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I saw the first and second floors for myself.

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The nursery where his cradle stood,
was right here, so I had to go in there.

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As I climbed up, a man shouted:
"Come down. That's too dangerous."

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I remember answering:
"Our children are in there!"

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I kept repeating that.

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When I saw the building -

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- I couldn't imagine,
that someone could have survived it.

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So I thought, "My children are dead!"

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I drove down there and met Claudia.
We went to the barricade.

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I said, “We have two kids in there.
Can I go in there?"

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I could see people lying
covered with blankets or towels.

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I pray it's not children.

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I knew many people in the building.

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I knew the narcotics officers
and the other criminals in there.

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They were my friends. I could
not realizing what had happened.

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How can anyone reach a point -

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- that they get so angry,
that they can do such a thing?

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<i>Who started the war?</i>

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<i>That's how it was with the bombing</i>
<i>toward the Murrah Building.</i>

75
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<i>It was not the beginning of the war.</i>
<i>It was a counterattack.</i>

76
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<i>The war was already underway.</i>

77
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<i>If you want to be ruthless,</i>
<i>so see how it goes.</i>

78
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<i>If you continue with abuse</i>
<i>like Ruby Ridge and Waco -</i>

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<i>- then it goes like this.</i>

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Northern Idaho is isolated,
and the population consists mostly of whites.

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It is a place
where everyone looks after themselves.

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In the 1980s, many found
extreme groups a sanctuary there.

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White power!

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One of those groups was the Aryan Nations.

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Aryan Nations had established
headquarters of hate in Hayden Lake.

86
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Right-wing extremist hatred.

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We, the white race, lost the war.
The Jewish plague won the war.

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They have infiltrated our blood
in all the countries where we live.

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Richard Butler, and many others
of the right-wing extremists of the time -

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- believed that the state apparatus
had ended up in the hands of the Jews.

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And that only the United States could be saved -

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- by claiming
its white, Christian supremacy.

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All our big cities are now non-white.

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It is the result of
the cataclysmic downfall of our race -

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- during the so-called Civil War.

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The US must again
become white and Christian.

97
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It's going to flow
a lot of blood on a beautiful day.

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I am not advocating that,
and I don't want it, but it happens.

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As surely as day follows night,
and night follows day.

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In the 1980s, the white race
becoming a minority in the United States.

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It used racist groups:
"The white race is being exterminated."

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Aryan Nations attracted whites
from all walks of life.

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They were all looking for someone,
they could blame for the misery.

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They directed their anger at the state government.

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It was people like Robert Matthews.

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Robert Matthews appeared
with Aryan Nations in the 1980s.

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There he met like-minded people
young men who thought -

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- that it all came up in conversation. Bob
said, "The time has come for action."

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Go away, Jews!
I have not come to hear you!

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Matthews wanted to start a revolution.

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He saw the government as an enemy,
that was ruled by satanic Jews -

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- which had to be destroyed.

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He had 12 followers that he
had met with the Aryan Nations.

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They decided to declare war on the United States.

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While Bob Matthews drafted
a plan for its organization -

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- he fell over the book
"The Turner Diaries".

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It is written
by the racist William Pierce.

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It was a fiction
about a group of patriots -

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- who gathered in a small crowd,
just as Bob had in mind -

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- and overthrew the US government.

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When Bob read it, he thought:
"It's just us!"

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"We have to follow that plan."

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“Unit eight secures us
between five and ten tons of explosives."

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“We then drive into the FBI building
cargo receipt and lights the fuse."

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The book ends with -

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- that the rebels blow up
FBI headquarters in the air.

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It had a riveting effect
on many on the far right.

128
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The Order is a small,
but fearsome group.

129
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They robbed banks
and money transport and committed murder.

130
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Their expertise increased
week by week, month by month.

131
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It was an organization
that had fallen into place.

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They had skilled leadership.

133
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Then they formed a liquidation group,
which was sent to Denver.

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<i>You are listening to Alan Berg.</i>

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You don't shut up,
so I can get a word in. Goodbye.

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The Jewish radio host Alan Berg had
drew the ire of right-wing extremists -

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- by mocking them in his program.

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If you are not a Christian, you are un-American.
Is it not correctly understood?

139
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He reached out for the right wing
and the Christian patriot movement.

140
00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,400
Then The Order just had enough.

141
00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:20,760
Alan Berg was shot and killed
in his own driveway.

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It was terrorism.

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It was Americans -

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- which was inspired by racism
and anti-government ideology.

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The FBI had no idea
who those people were.

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But then Bob Matthews decided that they
had to rob a money transport -

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- which brought several millions.

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They carried out a daring robbery
in broad daylight on a country road.

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They stop the money transport,
and Bob Matthews scoops up money.

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He drops his gun,
and we found that gun.

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They brought in some people from The Order
to surrender, but not Matthews.

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After two or three days of deadlock
the FBI advanced toward the cabin.

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This led to exchanges of fire.

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I was standing pretty close to the house,
and the bullets hit the trees around me.

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He had lots of weapons
and lots of ammo.

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In the evening, when it was dark,
we used tracer projectiles.

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One of them set fire to the building,
which caught fire.

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It sounded like it was Chinese,
that erupted all over the place.

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It was the ammunition that burned.

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At dawn I went to the fire ground
and saw his charred corpse.

161
00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,280
Matthews' death forced
the movement to consider -

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- whether they would die for the cause.

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WHITE RACIST BEHIND ROBBERY KILLED

164
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The FBI was on alert.

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Domestic terrorism
now received absolute top priority.

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An intense investigation was carried out
and made arrests across the United States.

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In the mid-1980s, the FBI had
lesson learned from the case of The Order.

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They knew that people from the Aryan Nations
committed crimes and killed people.

169
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So the FBI would investigate who they were,
and what they had in mind to do.

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Randy Weaver was a white separatist -

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- who had moved his family
from Iowa to Boundary County in Idaho -

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- to a place called Ruby Ridge.

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They were 75 kilometers from Canada and
had neither electricity nor running water.

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Randy and his wife
had built a cabin on a mountain top.

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They just wanted to be left alone.

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The Weaver family was very religious.

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They wanted to live in a way that they believed
was an Old Testament Christian.

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They imagined a kind of fortress,
where they could retreat -

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- from a corrupt and dangerous world.

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I don't think Randy when they
moved to Ruby Ridge, knew -

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- that they were close to the Aryan Nations,
which lasted until 90 kilometers south.

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But they started getting there.
At first, only for the sake of the company.

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They participated in family forest trips.

184
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But eventually Randy fell
for their anti-government message.

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The movement is progressing everywhere.

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Good men report under the tabs.
Strong-willed men.

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They will not let their race die
or become extinct.

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Randy appeared at Aryan Nations
after the trouble with Matthews.

189
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:06,160
And unfortunately for Randy Weaver,
the FBI listened in.

190
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They had events -

191
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- who had to recruit
more hardened people to the movement.

192
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,880
And it was at one of those meetings -

193
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- that one of the FBI's informants
Randy Weaver said.

194
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The guy entered the life of Randy Weaver
and found out he was a racist.

195
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And that he would comply
his separatist existence in Idaho -

196
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- but that he lacked money
and was interested in serving someone.

197
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Weaver was then persuaded
for sawing off shotguns.

198
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,160
I mean the ATF baited him -

199
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- to manufacture illegal weapons
by sawing off too much of the barrel.

200
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And then they come to arrest him.

201
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They thought he could lead them
to people who did worse things.

202
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,880
They thought
they could get Weaver over to their side.

203
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:18,640
They asked him to become an announcer,
which he immediately refused.

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Weaver didn't trust the authorities
and certainly would not be an announcer.

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However, he did not appear
from his next court hearing.

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If you do not appear in court,
the case is turned over to the US Marshals.

207
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:41,240
And they don't know anything about whether
Weaver was lured into a trap.

208
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,600
They just know
that they must pick up a wanted person.

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00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:53,800
They sent in a surveillance team,
and they snuck around out there -

210
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- to find out how they
could arrest him without trouble.

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It is the entrance from the east.

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00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:09,320
They set up motion-controlled cameras
around the Weaver family's cabin.

213
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,680
The footage showed
that Randy was there with his wife and children -

214
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,280
- as well as a man named Kevin Harris,
and that they were often armed.

215
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,240
What should be done now?
It would end in a shootout.

216
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:35,040
On the day the shootout took place,
there were six agents divided into two teams.

217
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One team went up into the mountains
to get a view of the cabin.

218
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,240
The other team found themselves
closer to the cabin -

219
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,760
- when Weaver's dog got a kick out of them
and went loose on them.

220
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All we know is,
that there was an exchange of fire.

221
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It is not clear who fired first.

222
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,800
But 14-year-old Sammy Weaver
and the dog was killed.

223
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,960
And the same thing happened
Marshal William Deacon.

224
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:18,000
He was killed by a white separatist.

225
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,520
The FBI had good reason to believe
that it could be another Matthews case.

226
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Then there was another change of authority.

227
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:35,560
What began as a police case
and then became a marshal case -

228
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,520
- has now become a case for the FBI.

229
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,240
The FBI gathered
his hostage rescue team.

230
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,800
It was the FBI's elite team.

231
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,080
They had to tackle cases like locals
action groups could not cope.

232
00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,600
Efforts against several people,
heavy weapons and grenades.

233
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,400
They were briefed on the way up there.

234
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:10,080
They were told that it was about
about a war-like situation -

235
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,440
- where to shoot,
when you see the enemy.

236
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,440
All police agencies are working
based on a fixed action strategy.

237
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,000
It's the police!

238
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,480
First one calls for surrender.

239
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:33,320
It prevents the police from shooting,
before people can surrender.

240
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:41,280
This was the first time in history that
that the FBI's rules of engagement were changed.

241
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,840
Since they think they are going to have a firefight
with armed separatists -

242
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:53,480
- in the style of The Order, you choose
not to call for surrender.

243
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,080
That is believed to have been done.

244
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:01,600
The agents can therefore set fire,
as soon as they see an armed adult.

245
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,760
But the Weaver family is always armed.

246
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,440
When I came there were trucks,
jeeps and all kinds of vehicles.

247
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,960
Yes, even armored personnel carriers.

248
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:23,600
It was overwhelming,
so many people were at work.

249
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:37,480
Up from the roadblock
could we not follow the events -

250
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:43,320
- but there were many policemen,
which moved into the area.

251
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:53,400
Neighbors, friends of the family
and journalists sought information.

252
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,840
When we know something,
shall we say so.

253
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,920
We were a few kilometers from the cabin -

254
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,640
- so we had no idea,
what the FBI had in mind.

255
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,840
At dawn surrounded
ten FBI agents the cabin.

256
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:24,400
It was snipers who can hit
a coin at a distance of 200 meters.

257
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,600
Randy, Kevin Harris and Sarah Weaver
will look at Sam Weaver's body.

258
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,640
They take their weapons and go out
to the shed where Samuel's body lies.

259
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,280
Then a shot rings out.

260
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Randy is hit in the shoulder.
They run back to the house.

261
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,160
And then another shot rings out.

262
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,200
It goes through the door,
hits Vicki Weaver in the face -

263
00:25:56,360 --> 00:26:01,240
- hurts Kevin Harris
and makes Vicki sign off dead on.

264
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,120
When you heard
that Sammy and Vicki Weaver were dead -

265
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:15,760
- the crowd walked by the roadblock,
which numbered up to 200, total madness.

266
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,080
Cursed murderers!

267
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,800
And you call yourselves Americans.
Those people are God-fearing people.

268
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,520
You probably don't know the constitution.
Go home and read the words of the founding fathers.

269
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,560
The events at Ruby Ridge
got the right wing in armor.

270
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:40,360
“The government murdered men, women
and children to achieve their goals."

271
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,920
Child killers!

272
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,680
The roadblock became a gathering place
for skinheads, Aryan Nations people -

273
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:56,000
- and others who showed their contempt for
"the Zionist infested government".

274
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,160
You are a disgrace to the white race!

275
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:08,120
It was the first time that the movement
had assembled in full public view.

276
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,360
It became a political event.

277
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,480
It was people
who saw himself in Randy Weaver.

278
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,720
RANDY WEAVER
A TRUE WHITE PATRIOT

279
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,600
What happened could have been avoided.

280
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,000
The far right's notion of,
that the state was something dangerous -

281
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:47,120
- seemed completely confirmed
of this whole matter.

282
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,120
Do you have a comment, Mr. Weaver?

283
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,720
Ruby Ridge was to a greater extent
than Matthews and The Order -

284
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,880
- a gathering point
for the extreme right.

285
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:12,600
In their eyes, the state was behind
Weaver's weapon and his religion.

286
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:19,080
And guns and religion
became the two pillars of the movement.

287
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,920
In the late summer of 1992,
after the events at Ruby Ridge -

288
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,320
- found more figures
from the extreme right at the time -

289
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,120
- to make a fuss about the matter.

290
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:41,800
One race, one people, one nation
and one fatherland. We must achieve that!

291
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,720
Louis Beam, formerly Stordrake
of the Ku Klux Klan, said:

292
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,040
"Now is the time to
that each of you -

293
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,560
- oblige you to
to practice violence against the state."

294
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,640
Any representative of the state
or the police authority -

295
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,760
- constituted a reasonable and lawful aim.

296
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,960
The state is the enemy of the people.

297
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,560
And in this war
it applies to all or nothing.

298
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Either the white race wins,
or we lose everything.

299
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,000
<i>It is closed</i>
<i>for the water to the building.</i>

300
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,600
At 10 in the morning
I was called at the hospital.

301
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:49,160
A woman was trapped in the building,
so we had to amputate one of her legs.

302
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:56,480
I picked up amputation equipment
and nylon rope and set off.

303
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:05,240
When I saw the building,
it seemed completely unreal.

304
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,800
The rescuers
had everything in place -

305
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,000
- so they could drive people away,
as soon as they got them out.

306
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,400
I was shown down to the basement.

307
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,400
We could hear people screaming and crying,
but we could not see them in the dark.

308
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:35,160
When they turned on the light, you could see
that the floors had collapsed in layers -

309
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,120
- and had created a kind of dungeon
under the Murrah building.

310
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,360
Everywhere you looked down there -

311
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:51,400
- were there round shields of blood,
which seeped through the cracks.

312
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,520
They were a small meter in diameter.

313
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:01,760
They were everywhere, and each of them
was a man who had been broken.

314
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,640
They showed me where Daina was pinned.

315
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:14,440
Someone from the rescue team had the hand
on the beam that held her.

316
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,320
If it started shaking,
should we hurry out.

317
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,240
The beam rested on her shin
just below the knee.

318
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:31,160
To perform the amputation I had to
lie with your legs by her head.

319
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:37,160
I took the rope and tied it tight,
so it formed a varicose vein.

320
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,760
And then I had to
otherwise just throw myself into it.

321
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Away! Away!

322
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:56,840
Just as I reached the roadblock,
panic broke out in the crowd.

323
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Away!

324
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,440
It was believed
that they had found another bomb.

325
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Look to get them away!

326
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,440
They yelled, “Hurry out of the building!
They've found another bomb!"

327
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,120
It was disappointing because there was
still surviving in there.

328
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:23,080
I was on the eighth floor.
My eyes were badly closed.

329
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,640
Two of my friends made their way
over to me and said:

330
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,360
"We need to get out of here."

331
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,640
I prayed, "God,
let there be no more bombs.”

332
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:43,840
It wasn't a real bomb,
but one of the police dummies.

333
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,920
We told people we didn't
could guarantee their safety.

334
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:59,520
I remember watching that team
who was about to amputate the girl's leg.

335
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,280
Everyone shouted, "Look to get out!"
But they would not leave her.

336
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Several times I thought
that I had completed the amputation -

337
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,200
- but when we tried to move Daina,
she was still stuck.

338
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,360
Eventually all the blades were broken.

339
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,480
But I had a pocket knife,
which I always keep sharp.

340
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,920
The quadriceps tendon was still pinched.

341
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:35,880
When it was cut, the bone was
freely and we could move her.

342
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,160
When I came out of the building, set
I waited for the ambulance.

343
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:56,080
I couldn't see anything
but I could hear people shouting.

344
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:02,520
Sirens sounded and I thought:
"What madman is behind this?"

345
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,920
“Who has come in here
and has committed this crime?"

346
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,560
The Oklahoma City bombing
was an attack on innocent children -

347
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:21,120
- and defenseless citizens.

348
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,480
It was a cowardly one
and malicious action.

349
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:33,080
There should be no doubt that
that we must find the culprits.

350
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:42,920
The bombing of the Murrah Building
was the largest act of terrorism in the United States.

351
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,240
We had about 500 investigators
on the case here in Oklahoma City.

352
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,120
There were coroners and bomb squads.

353
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,800
Forensic Technicians. All sorts of experts,
who looked for clues.

354
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,200
It became one of the most extensive
investigations in the history of the United States.

355
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,360
Every single police agency in the country
was in one way or another -

356
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,920
- in the process of finding clues.

357
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,160
At first, one had no idea,
who was behind it.

358
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,080
FBI.

359
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,560
We have received several hundred,
yes, thousands of tips from people.

360
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:32,040
Each of them is taken very seriously -

361
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,640
- but at this point we don't know,
who is behind it.

362
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,080
We got clues from every single state
and many places abroad.

363
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,840
When disaster strikes
like the Murrah building attack -

364
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:53,120
- it is always assumed that it says
a great conspiracy behind.

365
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,720
We worked from that assumption.

366
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,160
We received calls immediately after the assassination.

367
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:06,640
We got thousands of reviews
from people who had seen something.

368
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,280
Then we were notified
to keep an eye on people from the Middle East.

369
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,840
No one has yet claimed responsibility
for this bombing.

370
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,160
But the authorities say -

371
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:26,760
- that they suspect that the assassination
has its roots in the Middle East.

372
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,560
A source says that absolutely
concerns Middle Eastern terrorism.

373
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:37,120
I called around to find out
what was going on.

374
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,000
I found out that the FBI had
ransacked an apartment in Dallas -

375
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,040
- which was inhabited
by some guys from the Middle East.

376
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,240
But then there was someone who said:
"Do you know what date it is?"

377
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:57,520
I had a few days off,
so I hadn't checked the calendar.

378
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,200
"It's April 19th."

379
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:06,480
And then it hit me immediately.
It has to do with Waco.

380
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,000
It has to do with Waco.

381
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,040
Branch Davidians
had been in Texas for over 50 years -

382
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,840
- when people outside of Waco heard about them.

383
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,160
They were breakaways
from the Seventh Day Adventists.

384
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:49,520
They had created their own society,
Mount Carmel, just outside of Waco.

385
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,600
In the late 1980s, a Davidian got
by the name of Vernon Howell a revelation.

386
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,720
God had chosen him to be their leader.

387
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,040
He changed his name to David Koresh -

388
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,760
- and preached his message of
Armageddon from John's Revelation.

389
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,280
How will God speak to me?
And who will provide the book?

390
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,440
There is no excuse.

391
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,120
In May 1992 -

392
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,600
- received a report from the sheriff in Waco
from one of UPS's truck drivers -

393
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,000
- about a shipment to Mount Carmel.

394
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:34,040
A box was broken,
and some hand grenade casings fell out.

395
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,720
That's what set it off
in the police investigation.

396
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,840
It turned out that they illegally
converted automatic weapons in there.

397
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,760
They had purchased firearms
for $43,000 the year before.

398
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:57,880
Local residents had heard gunshots
and explosions from the area.

399
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:05,520
Koresh spoke more and more about,
that an outside force would threaten them.

400
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:12,880
The seventh seal shows us,
that someone gets a proper ass.

401
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:19,760
He believed that the state would invade
The Holy Land of Mount Carmel.

402
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,080
So it was here
that Armageddon would unfold.

403
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:30,480
We at ATF believed that if Armageddon,
which he spoke of did not take place -

404
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:38,080
- he had to provoke it.
So we had to act quickly.

405
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Reporters from the Waco Tribune Herald
had good sources in the police.

406
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,000
They had received a tip about,
when the raid was to take place.

407
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,280
The road will be closed soon.

408
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,520
The morning of the raid
take place, a journalist drives out there.

409
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,040
He drives around to get his bearings.

410
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:11,440
Then a station wagon arrives, and the driver
asking him, "Are you lost?"

411
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,720
He replies:
"Yes, I'm looking for Mount Carmel."

412
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,160
"There's a raid coming today."

413
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:25,400
The guy in the car belonged to the inner circle
of Koresh's followers.

414
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,440
He immediately told Koresh,
what was brewing.

415
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,400
That morning David said -

416
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,640
- that we had received information about,
that there would be a raid.

417
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,880
The men armed themselves,
and the women went into the rooms.

418
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,880
We faced 150 people
on a fairly large area.

419
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:58,040
They had a 45 minute lead,
and they fired as soon as we arrived.

420
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,560
I heard an M-60 machine gun
be fired.

421
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,360
Then I heard AK-47s.

422
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:14,920
And then .50mm machine guns.
These are fierce weapons.

423
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,640
There was no doubt that
that they would kill us.

424
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,160
<i>- The alarm center.</i>
<i>- Our building is being shelled.</i>

425
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,200
<i>Moment.</i>

426
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,360
<i>- Commissioner Lynch here.</i>
<i>- 75 men shelling us.</i>

427
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,600
<i>- Out at Mount Carmel?</i>
- Yes. After all, there are women and children here.</i>

428
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,920
<i>Yes.</i>

429
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,960
<i>I can hear gunshots.</i>

430
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,600
The firefight lasted 2 hours.

431
00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:01,200
When they agreed to a truce,
could we withdraw.

432
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,040
<i>- It's Lynch.</i>
<i>- Funny name in this situation.</i>

433
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,800
<i>- Who am I talking to?</i>
<i>- David Koresh, the infamous.</i>

434
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,800
<i>What is all this for?</i>

435
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,200
<i>I try to create</i>
<i>a communication link for you.</i>

436
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,720
<i>No, listen here.</i>

437
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,000
<i>You sent a bunch of guys out here</i>
<i>and have killed some of my children.</i>

438
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:35,160
<i>We said we wanted to talk to you.</i>
<i>Why are you ATF people so violent?</i>

439
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,440
<i>There are dead on both sides,</i>
<i>and it's your fault.</i>

440
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,960
<i>Let's find a solution.</i>
<i>Tell me something.</i>

441
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:49,680
<i>How many kills do you have?</i>
<i>ATF withdraws now.</i>

442
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,880
<i>- We try to ...</i>
<i>- Why didn't you start with that?</i>

443
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,040
When the shootout was over -

444
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,320
- four ATF agents were killed
and about 12 others injured.

445
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:08,160
Five Davidians had been killed,
and David Koresh was wounded.

446
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,480
Off!

447
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,320
Our retreat
was relatively disorganized.

448
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,800
We three task leaders
were all badly injured.

449
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,200
I was wrapped in a blanket
and placed on the radiator of a car.

450
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:35,040
And I actually can't
remember something from the retreat.

451
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:43,440
No US law enforcement agency
had previously experienced such a loss.

452
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,880
They never had before
met with such strong opposition.

453
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:55,160
There was shock,
anger and uncertainty.

454
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,800
Four ATF agents and a cult member
has been killed in Waco, Texas -

455
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,800
- after a shootout with the cult.

456
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,360
Another 14 agents were injured,
when one penetrated the cult.

457
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,200
I got a call from Washington.

458
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,480
It was Sunday morning
on February 28.

459
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:31,080
It was requested that
that we helped solve the problem.

460
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:35,760
I was at home with the family,
when the phone rang.

461
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:43,720
It was Jeff Jamar who said,
that the ATF raid in Waco had failed.

462
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:50,560
“Go to Waco as soon as possible
and assist them with the negotiations."

463
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:56,560
It was an unstable situation,
to put it mildly.

464
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,600
FBI Hostage Rescue Team,
who had participated at Ruby Ridge -

465
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,920
- was deployed to try
to keep the Davidians in check.

466
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:17,080
At the same time, the dealers had to
work in parallel with the hostage team -

467
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:21,200
- in the attempt to get the people out.

468
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,440
<i>Pick up the phone, David Koresh.</i>
<i>The dealers will talk to you.</i>

469
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,000
We had four ATF agents killed.

470
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,720
And justice had to be done
in one way or another.

471
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,760
But we wanted to avoid
further bloodshed.

472
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,640
We would spend the time needed
to get those people out.

473
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,720
We especially wanted to concentrate
about getting the children out of there.

474
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,600
In the evening of February 28
it worked out for us.

475
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:03,600
We started getting the kids out.
But we couldn't understand -

476
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,560
- how parents could be so faithful
against David, that they failed the children.

477
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,920
We filmed them,
while they played and ate ice cream -

478
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,960
- and had fun with each other.

479
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,320
We sent those films in to the parents.

480
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,640
It was meant to be
that they should think:

481
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,760
“Maybe I should go out there
and assume my parental responsibilities."

482
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:46,880
I decided not to send my children
out. It was part of the prophecy.

483
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,760
I didn't know when it happened
but I knew it was happening.

484
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,280
They were not David's children.

485
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,800
He let the children out,
until only his own were left.

486
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,560
He said, "The rest is mine."

487
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,200
The dealers had to take action
the situation differently.

488
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,360
So Koresh was suggested,
that he recorded a tape -

489
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,280
- then his message
could reach the whole world -

490
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:35,720
- if he then led his people out.
Koresh agreed.

491
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,360
Then we play David Koresh's tape.

492
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,720
<i>March 2, 1993.</i>

493
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:49,360
<i>My name is David Koresh,</i>
<i>and I speak from the Mount Carmel Center.</i>

494
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:55,840
<i>In John's Revelation it says,</i>
<i>that what John has recorded -</i>

495
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,720
<i>- is a revelation about Jesus Christ,</i>
<i>as God has given him -</i>

496
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,640
<i>- to show it to his servants,</i>
<i>which was supposed to happen.</i>

497
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,040
They brought buses
and different people in -

498
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,040
- who had to register the people,
that came out of the building.

499
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,320
They thought he would come out.

500
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,680
We were up and running,
because we thought it was over.

501
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:33,000
We congratulated each other,
but then it all suddenly came to a standstill.

502
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:40,280
We were told that God had
told David to wait.

503
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,880
<i>- You have run from your promise.</i>
<i>- That is a lie.</i>

504
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:51,000
<i>- You will discover that on Judgment Day.</i>
<i>- You are expected to open the seven seals.</i>

505
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,920
<i>- These are false hopes.</i>
<i>- No.</i>

506
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,200
The dealers had been duped.
We had been lied to.

507
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,880
But the biggest problem was,
that we had lost credibility -

508
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,400
- with task leader Jeff Jamar.

509
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,280
He must have thought:

510
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:20,600
“I guess those guys haven't at all
take control of the situation.”

511
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,920
The dealers asked for more time.

512
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,400
"We'll probably get more people
brought out from there."

513
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,320
But the attitude of the FBI changed -

514
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,240
- in favor of
a more action-oriented effort.

515
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,240
It gave the hostage rescue team
a great advantage.

516
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,720
The FBI's tactics now became more aggressive.

517
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:53,720
They cut off power to the area
and pointed searchlights at it.

518
00:49:53,880 --> 00:50:01,160
They had tanks brought in,
and with them they smashed Koresh's cars.

519
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,040
The arrayed speakers -

520
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:12,600
- and played Nancy Sinatra's
"These Boots Are Made For Walking".

521
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:18,200
Christmas carols. The sound of dying rabbits.
Telephone signals.

522
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,920
Yes, even the mass of Tibetan monks.

523
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:28,560
The hostage rescue team would show,
who decided.

524
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,080
There were two negotiations in progress.

525
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:39,000
We negotiated with the Branch Davidians
and with our own colleagues.

526
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,120
We wanted to convince Jamar that -

527
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,680
- that if force was used
to the Davidians -

528
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:54,440
- you just wanted to do them
more and more steely.

529
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,080
- Are we happy, Candy?
- Yes.

530
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:01,080
It was us
until they started shooting.

531
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:05,080
David Koresh
had his wives and children.

532
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:10,400
He had his trusted leaders
in the organization.

533
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,480
Someone made them
as criminals or insane -

534
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,800
- but they fed completely
devotion to Koresh.

535
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,920
i know
that there is a reason why we are here.

536
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,520
God has told us to wait.
The God that David has shown me.

537
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:34,080
Read for yourself in John's Revelation.
It says so clearly there.

538
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:38,840
My name is Scott. I am not
held against my will.

539
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,840
My father Ken in Honolulu
must have my children.

540
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:49,400
Now we just have to see
what is happening in the government.

541
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,280
This is what shakes us right now.

542
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:59,800
We are waiting for God to tell us,
what we have to do.

543
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:10,200
We realized how much power
he had over his people.

544
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,120
It will be difficult
to get them out.

545
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,640
The Dead Water at Branch Davidian's Camp
has become a psychological power struggle -

546
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,880
- between the FBI and David Koresh.

547
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,960
Sources say the FBI doesn't have it in mind
to let this go on indefinitely.

548
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,800
They are very irritated,
and the negotiations do not bear fruit -

549
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,520
- they move into the weekend.

550
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,920
The story took hold.

551
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:47,360
In the beginning the press supported us
and showed understanding.

552
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,160
But as the days passed,
they began to become more critical.

553
00:52:52,320 --> 00:53:00,000
They said, “They have shot four agents.
Why are you just watching passively?"

554
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,880
They don't have to run around corners with us.
We are doing everything we can to resolve this.

555
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,600
That has always been our goal
to find a peaceful solution.

556
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,720
It was the country's top news.

557
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,640
Many far-right patriots
began to appear.

558
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,440
They thought
that we seized weapons.

559
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:30,600
That the ATF attacked a religious community,
because they advocated the right to arms.

560
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:36,600
They didn't come to the press conferences,
but there was someone else who did.

561
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:41,360
Louis Beam, the former
Ku Klux Klan leader, appeared -

562
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,760
- and pretended to be a journalist.

563
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,920
Is it a police state?
We see growth here?

564
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:55,400
We soon discovered who he was.
He had been wanted by the FBI.

565
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,720
I mentioned a police state.

566
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,520
They don't want to hear about that
despite their black-clad stormtroopers -

567
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,040
- who assault people.

568
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,920
Racists like Beam
then the same elements in this case -

569
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,800
- which they had found important
in the case of Randy Weaver.

570
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,320
The Branch Davidians were not racists.

571
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,880
But now the right-wing extremists are mirroring themselves
in the situation in Waco.

572
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,680
They said, “We are being oppressed
because of our faith and our arms."

573
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,400
Those are the two white buildings
on the hill there.

574
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:42,960
There was a hill
little five kilometers from Mount Carmel.

575
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:49,880
It was high enough for you to just
could make out Mount Carmel in the distance.

576
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:55,640
The public could not
get closer to the siege.

577
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,760
You will be next! You will be next!
So wake up and get it!

578
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,640
All sorts of people felt
drawn to what happened in Waco.

579
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,800
I have just arrived.

580
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,880
Many people are afraid of
to show off that kind of thing.

581
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:31,280
Timothy McVeigh had been shaken
about what happened at Ruby Ridge -

582
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,920
- so he went down to Waco -

583
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:40,800
- and sold stickers
with anti-government slogans.

584
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:48,000
He saw the raid as an expression of that,
the state was willing to do -

585
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:53,000
- to confiscate firearms
and harass gun owners.

586
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,000
Tim McVeigh loved firearms.

587
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:02,520
His grandfather
had taught him all about firearms.

588
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:07,440
How to bypass firearms
and the rights of gun owners.

589
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:13,360
They went out and shot together
and went to shooting practice.

590
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,800
He loved firearms -

591
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,120
- and the thought of,
that a man could own a firearm.

592
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,640
Pendleton in New York state
was a white suburb.

593
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:33,200
It is close to Buffalo, and the family
had lived here for generations.

594
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,840
As a boy, Tim loved superheroes
and had a large comic book collection.

595
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:45,280
He read the magazine "Soldier of Fortune"
and hated thugs.

596
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,080
Tim was thin and tall.

597
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:54,160
At school he was called
for Spaghetti McVeigh.

598
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:59,640
It led to a lifelong hatred
for thugs.

599
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,480
When he finished school,
he enlisted in the army.

600
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:11,040
He couldn't find his way
to any actual career.

601
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,840
And he loved firearms.

602
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:22,160
Here he got access to all kinds of weapons.
It was a slafferland for him.

603
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,720
<i>I'm a gun enthusiast after all.</i>
<i>It is about practicing your skills.</i>

604
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,720
<i>And the army offers free ammunition.</i>

605
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:37,560
<i>I wanted to go out and experience the world,</i>
<i>away from Pendleton's isolation.</i>

606
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:44,280
The Army gave Tim McVeigh a place,
where he fit in.

607
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,200
He was top at Fort Riley
in his Bradley fighting vehicle.

608
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:54,200
His superior
noticed him.

609
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,560
In the army he was a leading figure.

610
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:03,880
And then he comes to Iraq
during the first Gulf War.

611
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,480
It was during that war,
that McVeigh lost faith -

612
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,320
- on both the military
and the US government.

613
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,320
When he killed Iraqi soldiers -

614
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,840
- he felt no excitement.

615
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,680
As a sharpshooter he killed
from afar an Iraqi soldier.

616
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,720
He saw the man's head explode.

617
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,520
But he saw no reason for it.

618
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,720
He didn't understand
what the US was going to do over there.

619
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:46,680
<i>My own experiences during the Gulf War</i>
<i>showed me that they are human too.</i>

620
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,400
<i>People,</i>
<i>which is not much different from me.</i>

621
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:56,720
<i>I had to harmonize with that,</i>
<i>that I actually killed them.</i>

622
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:03,640
He is very split and looks
the US government as a bully.

623
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:10,040
But he is sent to Ranger School
to join the special forces.

624
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,680
He was willing to shelve
his anti-government mentality -

625
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,960
- to be able to become an elite soldier.

626
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,000
But he is not in top form -

627
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,680
- and to his great disappointment
He drops out of Ranger School.

628
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,480
His disillusionment increases.

629
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:38,480
He stayed in the army a few more months,
but that just didn't mean anything to him.

630
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,760
He went home -

631
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,680
- and waited to find a good job
on the basis of his military service.

632
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:53,320
But it didn't turn out that way.
The failure gnawed at him.

633
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,800
He said he felt
that the time in the army was a highlight -

634
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,000
- after that everything was fine
just mediocre.

635
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:10,480
He becomes more and more dissatisfied
and more and more extreme.

636
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,000
He listened to
the most rabid conspiracy theories -

637
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,040
- like the UN wanted to take over the US.

638
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,880
And he believed
firmly on those theories.

639
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:28,840
He is also very affected
of the book "The Turner Diaries".

640
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,480
He is gripped by that novel.

641
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,600
He was very interested
in the form of Earl Turner -

642
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,520
- and his anti-government thoughts.

643
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:48,400
And his idea that you had to act
brutally to wake up the government.

644
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:56,440
In 1992, McVeigh wrote a post
in the Lockport News and Journal:

645
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:02,560
"I don't want a bloodbath in the streets,
but it can end like this.”

646
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:09,400
Many do not like the government,
but they don't write readers' letters -

647
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,920
- as Timothy McVeigh did.

648
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:19,600
It was the first sign that
that he harbored dangerous thoughts.

649
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,720
And then came Ruby Ridge.

650
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:30,400
Ruby Ridge infuriated McVeigh.
He thought it was murder.

651
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:36,880
He thought it was an attack
on the right of the people to bear arms.

652
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,640
He had problems with his family.
He didn't have a girlfriend.

653
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,560
He took his old ladle
and set out on an odyssey -

654
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:54,680
- through the western United States, where he
absorbed this ideology.

655
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:01,440
The places where right-wing extremism
especially became widespread -

656
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,880
- was at the arms fairs.

657
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,800
Weapon fairs were sometimes more
than just gun fairs.

658
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:17,080
Anti-government messages,
who was wrapped in patriotism -

659
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:24,280
- was exhibited and bid down
at gun shows everywhere.

660
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:30,960
There were more who left
from arms fair to arms fair.

661
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,760
McVeigh became one of them.

662
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:39,600
There he met white racists
and talked with them.

663
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:46,320
He negotiated "The Turner Diaries"
and was involved in the movement.

664
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,880
And then he shows up at Waco.

665
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:56,240
He cannot understand
that American citizens are trapped there -

666
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,560
- by government agents.
It catches his attention.

667
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,920
<i>Who was the aggressor here?</i>

668
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:11,400
<i>Koresh would not give in,</i>
<i>but it was the FBI that attacked.</i>

669
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:17,920
<i>Everything they do shows,</i>
<i>that they feel they are waging war.</i>

670
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:25,400
<i>And who are they waging war against?</i>
<i>The American people.</i>

671
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:31,760
The 40th day of the siege at Waco
has ended like the other 39.

672
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,520
Koresh and his people are sitting in there,
and the FBI is waiting outside.

673
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:43,320
<i>Pick up the phone, David Koresh.</i>
<i>The dealers will talk to you.</i>

674
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:50,240
As time went on the negotiations became
less and less productive.

675
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,080
Especially since David had now sent
the people that he would send out.

676
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,680
Those of us who left the place,
was not beneficial to the group.

677
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:12,120
We could not help the group
with reaching a higher level.

678
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,120
So we were kicked out.

679
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:25,440
The last member to leave the camp,
came out on March 21st.

680
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,840
The last child
left the camp on March 5.

681
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,080
We were in a difficult situation.

682
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,200
You do it your way,
and I do it on mine.

683
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,200
If you want to go to court with me,
so grab me and talk to me.

684
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:51,080
But do you threaten my wives and children,
then you can order with me.

685
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:58,120
There was no more to negotiate.
If there ever had been.

686
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:06,720
We got nowhere.
It could only get worse.

687
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:15,720
His rhetoric becomes more violent.
He refuses to talk to us.

688
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:24,640
The psychologist thought he was ready
to create a spectacular final -

689
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,520
- unless we intervene.

690
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:36,000
More and more FBI people,
including the dealers, thought -

691
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,280
- that you had to
force Koresh into action.

692
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,520
So the FBI reached out
Attorney General Janet Reno -

693
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:53,040
- with a plan to leave armored
vehicles pump tear gas into the camp.

694
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,040
At first she rejected it.

695
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,320
So the FBI returned with
statements from former members -

696
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,240
- that child abuse took place
in Mount Carmel.

697
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,720
She watched the video footage
of young girls with small children -

698
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:18,240
- and in her eyes it confirmed,
that such a thing really took place.

699
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:26,760
It was probably then,
that Janet Reno approved the plan.

700
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:37,720
A few times
had we obtained the court's approval -

701
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,440
- to eavesdrop on the building.

702
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:47,040
That morning we could hear nothing
because of the noise.

703
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,720
Noise from the surroundings.

704
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:55,640
When you remove the noise, you can
hear someone say, "Put on the masks!"

705
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:02,280
Then the order is given
to "spread the gas".

706
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:07,520
<i>Have you poured it out?</i>
<i>David said we should, didn't he?</i>

707
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:15,640
<i>- Did he say that?</i>
<i>- Yes, spread the gasoline.</i>

708
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:26,120
As we injected tear gas,
they poured gasoline all over it.

709
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:32,920
Had we heard them say:
"Spread the gasoline!" we had withdrawn.

710
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,560
what happened
was simply awful.

711
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:43,800
As you can probably see,
smoke is coming out of the building.

712
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:49,160
We can also see flames.
What can you see, Mike?

713
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:55,160
The last quarter of an hour
have we seen an armored vehicle -

714
01:07:55,320 --> 01:08:00,120
- which has punched holes in the building
and pumped in tear gas.

715
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:07,120
Now a violent fire has broken out
at the southern end of the building.

716
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:13,560
I had gone out to the roadblock
and looked through a friend's TV camera.

717
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,960
I could see little flames,
who fired from the building.

718
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,880
It felt like seconds,
then the building was engulfed in flames.

719
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:30,080
We stood and waited for
that the people should come out.

720
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,560
After all, there were 80-90 people in there.

721
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:43,600
When the fire took hold,
a few adults came out.

722
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,600
One of them jumped out of a window
on the first floor.

723
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,400
Then she ran into the flames again.

724
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:56,560
An agent ran after her
and dragged her out of the building.

725
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:03,320
She was ready to go up in flames.
Smoke was coming from her clothes.

726
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:12,200
Nine adults came out of the building.
Not one of them had a child with them.

727
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:26,480
I saw it on television
just like everyone else.

728
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:31,080
It didn't surprise me,
that the mothers did not come out with their children.

729
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:36,440
David had said there would be a resurrection
a big blow that we would lose.

730
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:42,560
And we were to ascend to heaven
by a flaming ascension.

731
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,480
It actually surprised me,
that some ran out.

732
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,000
I had expected them all to die.

733
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:00,520
One cannot ignore
our role in the event.

734
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:06,960
We provoked the situation, but
Koresh decided who would die.

735
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:13,240
What happened served his purposes,
and that, in my eyes, is the worst.

736
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,360
That I served his purposes.

737
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:35,280
When I saw the fire,
I thought only of the children in there.

738
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:39,560
The parents made their own decision,
but the children did not.

739
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,360
I bawled when I saw it.

740
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,600
It really was Armageddon,
just as he had predicted.

741
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:09,000
BLACK MONDAY
80 ARE FEARED PERISHED IN FIRE

742
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,720
TV SHOWED THE DESTRUCTION

743
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:17,280
At Ruby Ridge the Americans saw
death of two people.

744
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,520
But at Waco
then the extensive loss of life.

745
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:28,000
Many said, fair enough,
that many mistakes were made here.

746
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:34,560
But others said it was
a state massacre of an unheard of scale.

747
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:41,080
That's how it was explained
by right-wing extremists.

748
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,200
And the reaction came immediately.

749
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:49,960
Witnesses say they saw 25 people,
who came out of the double doors -

750
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:55,720
- to escape the fire,
but they were mercilessly shot.

751
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:02,560
The right wing made several films,
who claimed it was premeditated murder.

752
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,040
One of the earliest was the documentary
"Waco - The Big Lie".

753
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,880
Their most important material
was footage from the fire -

754
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:21,960
- where they claimed you could see
the tanks set fire to the building.

755
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:26,440
As the fire broke out behind,
as we just saw -

756
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:31,120
- you can see flames shooting out
from this tank.

757
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:36,280
When packing those recordings,
which had shaken the whole country -

758
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:41,840
- into a strong message
on state abuses -

759
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,120
- did anyone catch it.

760
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:51,360
Those who distrusted the state,
became enraged.

761
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:58,640
When the fire broke out in Waco,
McVeigh was with a friend in Michigan.

762
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,960
He was working on a vehicle.

763
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:07,640
Someone shouted:
"Just come in and see this, Tim."

764
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,880
<i>I saw flames shooting out of windows</i>
<i>and tanks that smashed walls.</i>

765
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:19,840
<i>Tears welled up in my eyes</i>
<i>and rolled down my cheeks -</i>

766
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,280
<i>- when I saw it all unfold.</i>

767
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:29,560
<i>I do not hesitate to use</i>
<i>the word rage. I became enraged.</i>

768
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:36,320
In Tim McVeigh's eyes, it happened
because of the United States government -

769
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:38,960
- the world's biggest bully.

770
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:45,800
A few months later
the Brady Act was passed.

771
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:51,240
The ban on assault rifles
has long been anticipated.

772
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,560
McVeigh was convinced -

773
01:13:54,720 --> 01:14:01,360
- that the Brady Act would lead to,
that the citizens were deprived of their weapons.

774
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:07,440
A ban on the possession of handguns
and minors' access to the same.

775
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,400
A reform of our
gun permit system.

776
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:19,560
The combination of the supposed
government killings of the Weaver family -

777
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:26,160
- and the supposed brutal rule
killing of the country's citizens in Waco -

778
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:31,560
- and then the Brady Act,
where the state would take one's guns -

779
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:36,880
- got the recruitment of extremists
to rise sharply.

780
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:43,360
We have a government
which is soon completely out of control.

781
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:49,440
They allow tyrants
with ski masks can come -

782
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:54,360
- and kick in your door.
It has happened all over the country.

783
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,600
This is something new in the US.
It's called militias.

784
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:04,320
They say they are not racist,
and that it is not about weapons -

785
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:07,240
- but that applies to the Arms Act.

786
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:15,120
No one should kick in their door.
Then they shoot them!

787
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:23,680
There was great growth in the militias
after Ruby Ridge.

788
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:29,200
But Waco and the Brady Act
really sets the movement in motion.

789
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:34,840
At the end of 1993
was there a huge underground network -

790
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,040
- by armed white militias
all over the country.

791
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:45,880
They all stood for active resistance
against the government.

792
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,640
Tim McVeigh
did not belong to any militia group -

793
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:58,360
- but he had the same view of the state,
which the militia groups had.

794
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:05,840
Tim McVeigh saw it all as part
of a great state conspiracy.

795
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,160
All these events
obviously connected.

796
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,920
And it would all lead to -

797
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:22,760
- that FBI people would come to his
and other gun owners' homes -

798
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:28,560
- and storm in
to remove their firearms.

799
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,600
From then on he considered -

800
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:40,080
- what terrorist act he was going to do
commit against the US government.

801
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:07,080
That morning we entered the south gable
not knowing it was the kindergarten.

802
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:14,160
The granite floor was completely broken up
and lay back distraught.

803
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:20,520
One of the officials came just then
out with a little boy in her arms.

804
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:25,600
- That's where the elevators were.
- Let me hold him.

805
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:30,400
I took a deep breath
and entered the kindergarten.

806
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,840
We moved rubble and stones.

807
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:42,960
We were on our knees digging
to reach the children.

808
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,680
The children were brought out, one by one.

809
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:56,440
Brandon was seriously injured,
and so was Nekia.

810
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:03,360
Rebecca looked
as if she were dipped in blood.

811
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:10,720
The next little child they carried out,
was laid on the ground.

812
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:17,360
They had some sharply folded sheets.
And they bore another child.

813
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,520
And one more. And one more.

814
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:27,440
And they lined them up,
wrapped in those sheets.

815
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:34,640
Then a nurse came
and lifted the sheet from their feet.

816
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:39,440
She wrote something down
and put a label on their feet.

817
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:47,720
And then it dawned on me,
that my little son did not come home.

818
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:54,360
Although it was one person,
who bore a given child -

819
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,240
- we all felt we were carrying it.

820
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:03,200
It was hard to see how we
had to put the children's bodies out there.

821
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,600
They were all our children.

822
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:12,160
It wasn't just one man's child.
Those children belonged to all of us.

823
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:28,000
The feelings that we had and still have
have after that experience, are strong.

824
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:36,840
And the children who survived
and get through it is exceptional.

825
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,440
Our children came to different hospitals.

826
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:49,040
Once we had located them,
we decided -

827
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,160
- that Claudia sat with Rebecca,
and I sat with Brandon.

828
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:09,880
When I arrived, Brandon had been
through four hours of brain surgery.

829
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:15,480
He had been thrown something or other
into the left side of the head -

830
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,800
- and it had penetrated the brain.

831
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,560
Neurosurgeon Reynolds
couldn't tell us -

832
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,360
- if he survived it.

833
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:34,000
We knew that our children
had been 15 meters from it.

834
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,920
15 meters from a powerful bomb.

835
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:44,320
There were five children sitting at a table
in the kindergarten, and a child was on the toilet.

836
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,480
And the six children survived.

837
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:53,640
When I saw Rebecca again,
said the doctor:

838
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:58,520
"She'll probably make it.
She has scrapes and bruises."

839
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:03,640
"She's broken her collarbone."
But she was still alive.

840
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:11,080
At 9.02 that day
broke our world apart.

841
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:16,800
And when we found our children,
our new world began.

842
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,840
At 16 on April 19.

843
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,640
I love you my boy.

844
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:41,360
“My work began
a little before 17 yesterday -

845
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:49,680
- when I helped Ed Sanders to
mixing fuel oil with fertilizer."

846
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:56,880
In the "Turner Diaries" McVeigh had read,
how to make a truck bomb

847
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:04,320
He found other articles,
who described it in more detail.

848
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:10,160
He would do it,
as Earl Turner did.

849
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,440
Namely, smashing a government building.

850
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:27,080
McVeigh thought he had two traps
in Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier.

851
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,720
They had been in the army together.
They liked "The Turner Diaries".

852
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:37,160
They nurtured the same
anti-government thoughts.

853
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:44,560
And they wanted to show that the state
was vulnerable to attack.

854
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:53,480
They had to get it
in the main ingredient, artificial fertilizer.

855
01:22:53,640 --> 01:23:00,800
They bought sack after sack after sack
with ammonium nitrate.

856
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:06,080
McVeigh and Nichols broke in
in a shed in a quarry -

857
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:12,680
- where they stole Tovex explosives,
which can make the bomb more powerful.

858
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:21,560
Many of the explosives were not
available to ordinary citizens.

859
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:29,080
They spent several months on
to collect parts for the bomb.

860
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,880
Fortier's role was very limited.

861
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:40,120
Nichols played a larger role,
but mostly obeyed McVeigh's orders.

862
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:45,640
McVeigh succeeded
to get 55 reels -

863
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,200
- with nitromethane fuel.

864
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:53,800
The bomb in "The Turner Diaries" passed
of fertilizer and fuel oil.

865
01:23:55,440 --> 01:24:03,000
McVeigh made his bomb more powerful
with the much stronger fuel.

866
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,040
As McVeigh drove around
and collected material for the bomb -

867
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:17,800
- he was on
an anti-government odyssey.

868
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:22,080
He visited a militia camp.

869
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:26,600
He visited Area 51.

870
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:31,120
And he visited Waco.

871
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:38,280
It meant a lot to him
to witness what had happened.

872
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:42,720
To sense it,
that had happened at the given place.

873
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:55,440
At the same time he began, Fortier
and Nichols to choose a target.

874
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:03,640
They visited Little Rock, Arkansas
as well as Tulsa and Dallas.

875
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:08,920
They chose the Murrah Building
in Oklahoma City because the ATF -

876
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:16,280
- who had been responsible for the raid against
Branch Davidians, had office here.

877
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:22,640
They saw fit to go after it
those connected to Waco.

878
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,520
There were several government offices
in the Murrah Building: The Urban Planning.

879
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:35,080
ATF. The state audit.

880
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:41,200
There was a recruitment office,
a social welfare office and the drug police DEA.

881
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:46,360
It is unknown whether McVeigh knew
that there was a kindergarten in the building -

882
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:51,920
- but he has hinted that not
would have changed anything.

883
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,000
Michael Fortier began
to become concerned about the undertaking.

884
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,640
He imagined what would happen.

885
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:08,480
He pointed out,
that innocent people could die.

886
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,840
McVeigh said,
that only the death toll counted.

887
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:18,400
He said that the government only
would be influenced by the death toll.

888
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:22,240
They can build a new building,
but the death toll will wake them up.

889
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:29,200
<i>If you want to get your message across,</i>
<i>do you have to hit them there -</i>

890
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,760
<i>- where it hurts.</i>

891
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:38,840
<i>We can only get the message across</i>
<i>by ensuring a large death toll.</i>

892
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:48,960
Tim chooses the date of April 19 because
it's the anniversary of the Waco fire.

893
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,720
Easter Sunday, three days before -

894
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,720
- McVeigh calls Nichols and says,
that the time has come.

895
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:05,880
He and Nichols drove separate cars
from Kansas to Oklahoma City.

896
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:13,560
McVeigh took his cheap getaway car
and put it in a parking lot.

897
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:18,720
He put a sign in the window:
"Please do not remove this car."

898
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:23,080
And then they drove back to Kansas.

899
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:28,960
The next day, McVeigh goes alone
Junction City to rent a truck.

900
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:33,040
A big Ryder truck,
which he wants to use as a bomb.

901
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,240
They said, "Should it be insured?"
He replied, "No thanks."

902
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:41,400
"Do you need more days?"
"No."

903
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,880
He is seen on surveillance footage
from a nearby McDonald's.

904
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,840
April 18 was the day
where they built the bomb.

905
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,960
McVeigh drove the truck out
to Geary Lake National Park -

906
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,120
- where they were going to build the bomb.

907
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:08,160
He was very angry because
Nichols was getting cold feet.

908
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,240
He threatened to
to kill Nichols and his family -

909
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:17,760
- if he didn't help him
with the final preparations.

910
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:23,640
<i>I assembled the bomb myself</i>
<i>with a little help from someone else -</i>

911
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,120
<i>- which I threatened to help me.</i>

912
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,640
<i>I was the one who set the fuses,</i>
<i>prepared the fuses -</i>

913
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:38,240
<i>- and secured the igniters in the drums.</i>
<i>The whole thing took three hours.</i>

914
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:45,320
The bomb was finished, Nichols said,
that he would no longer participate.

915
01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:50,360
They then said goodbye to each other.
Nichols wished him luck.

916
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,040
And then he drove south.

917
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:02,720
He was nervous,
as he drove into Oklahoma City.

918
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:07,240
But I don't think
that he wavered in his decision.

919
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:12,640
It didn't occur to him at all.
that this was completely wrong.

920
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:20,040
As he approached the building,
he drove into the side -

921
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:25,440
- and lit two fuses,
which led to the bomb.

922
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:33,120
The last video we have of him,
is from 8.57 in front of an apartment block.

923
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:38,920
He was then only two blocks away
west of the Murrah Building.

924
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:45,480
As I drove by,
I noticed a yellow Ryder truck -

925
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:50,400
- which had driven into the stall
in front of the building.

926
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:55,680
A young man got out of the car.
He had a military haircut.

927
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:00,840
So I thought it was a sergeant,
who had to enter the office -

928
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:05,680
- but why on earth
is he moving away from the building?

929
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,440
<i>I walked slowly towards the YMCA.</i>

930
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:17,320
<i>When I reached the alley behind the YMCA,</i>
<i>I started running.</i>

931
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,360
Later that day we reached a place -

932
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,880
- where a crater had formed,
when the floors collapsed.

933
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:53,520
We dug away rubble
to find any survivors.

934
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:59,640
Suddenly one of the boys shouted:
"Be quiet, everyone!"

935
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:03,040
One could faintly hear a voice.

936
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:08,240
We succeeded
to cut people free.

937
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:16,320
It was very dangerous.
A concrete block crushed a nurse.

938
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:22,520
20 other rescue workers
was also injured.

939
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:32,840
Volunteers came from all over the country.

940
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:39,480
People brought clothes, gloves and boots.

941
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:45,560
Someone showed up and cooked
to the rescue workers.

942
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:50,680
Great empathy was shown
from local citizens.

943
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:58,800
Oklahoma City is a small town,
and almost everyone helped.

944
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:05,200
A blood bank was set up, which received
a thousand times more than they needed.

945
01:32:07,480 --> 01:32:11,200
The work was hard.

946
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:15,840
I was given a task
to patrol around the building.

947
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,640
There was silence when they found a body.

948
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,680
They informed us of the death toll.

949
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:30,440
We held our breath and hoped,
that the number did not continue to increase.

950
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:36,080
Governor of Oklahoma
mentioned a death toll of 18.

951
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,200
Six of them are children.

952
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:44,320
The coroner came and said:
"16 confirmed dead."

953
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:50,200
And then "32 confirmed dead."
The number just went up so fast.

954
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:55,640
I couldn't fathom it at all.

955
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:06,320
I was there for six or seven hours.
We were all covered in dust and blood.

956
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:12,960
Nobody said anything.
Other than "oh god".

957
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,360
It was all so incomprehensible.

958
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:29,600
We are investigating the bombing.
Do you drive this way often?

959
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:35,400
We work based on the premise that
that the evidence leads one to the goal.

960
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:39,680
We must collect all evidence -

961
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:46,520
- and then draw up hypotheses
and theories about the sequence of events.

962
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:52,880
The first breakthrough,
which happened a few hours after the assassination -

963
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:58,800
- was found by the rear axle of it,
which turns out to be the car bomb.

964
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:03,400
On it is the vehicle's
frame number.

965
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:09,800
It was PVA26077.
I will never forget that number.

966
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:18,440
That led us to a Ryder truck from
Elliott's Body Shop in Junction City.

967
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:24,640
We immediately sent agents
to the rental office.

968
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:30,360
It had been rented by a gentleman
with a South Dakota driver's license.

969
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:34,160
His name was Robert Kling.

970
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:39,000
We had three witnesses
in the rental office.

971
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:44,280
They described a military-like man.
Approximately 1.80 meters high.

972
01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:48,000
Thin and close shaven.

973
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:56,160
They believed he had a mate.
We called them Unknown 1 and Unknown 2.

974
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:03,640
Our agents
covered all of Junction City.

975
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:08,280
An agent visited the Dreamland Motel.

976
01:35:08,440 --> 01:35:13,480
He asked if anyone had been there
with a Ryder truck.

977
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:19,600
The manager replied:
"Yes, there was a guest staying in room 25."

978
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,920
"He had a Ryder truck."

979
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:28,320
“I last saw him
on the morning of Tuesday, April 18."

980
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:32,840
They then showed her the phantom drawing.

981
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:37,880
She recognized him
and checked his records.

982
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:43,160
Despite McVeigh's solid planning
did he make a mistake here.

983
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:48,240
He enrolled
under his own name.

984
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,840
We wanted to know who Tim McVeigh was.

985
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:57,400
We then conducted a search
in the criminal record -

986
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:02,440
- to see if a Tim McVeigh
had been arrested somewhere in the United States.

987
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:12,720
It turned out that a traffic officer
had arrested one Timothy McVeigh.

988
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:20,520
He was on his way to Kansas
in his old Mercury Marquis.

989
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:25,520
He got out onto the highway
and was stopped by an officer -

990
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:31,200
- because he didn't have
a license plate on the back of the car.

991
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:36,320
The officer then notices
a dent under the driver's jacket.

992
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,800
"Is that a gun?"

993
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,520
The driver replies, "Yes, it is."
And Tim McVeigh is then arrested.

994
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:49,280
He is being led
to the local jail.

995
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:54,600
On the T-shirt he is wearing
it says "Sic Semper Tyrannis".

996
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,360
"That's how it goes tyrants."

997
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:03,040
That's what John Wilkes Booth shouted,
when he shot Abraham Lincoln.

998
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:10,520
McVeigh was jailed for two days,
and no one knew who he was.

999
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,800
Besides that he illegally
carried a concealed weapon -

1000
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:20,400
- the police didn't have
any suspicion of him.

1001
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:25,880
We called the courthouse.
McVeigh was on his way to court -

1002
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:31,800
- and ready to be released.
We asked them to detain him.

1003
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:41,280
Two agents interrogate him
at the sheriff's office.

1004
01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:46,480
One agent asked him:
"Do you know why we are here?"

1005
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:52,760
And McVeigh replied:
"Does it have anything to do with the bomb?"

1006
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,600
I can announce that a person -

1007
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:05,520
- who is believed to be behind the attack
at the Murrah Building on Wednesday -

1008
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:07,720
- has been arrested.

1009
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:17,040
They decide to transfer him
to a more secure prison.

1010
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:22,240
It gets out to the press,
who announces it on TV.

1011
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:28,320
So people flock from far and wide
to witness it.

1012
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:39,360
Me and the rest of the country
saw McVeigh for the first time.

1013
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:45,240
And then we understood at once,
that there were domestic enemies -

1014
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:49,600
- not foreigners,
but real americans -

1015
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:54,320
- who waged war against the United States.

1016
01:38:54,480 --> 01:39:01,520
We recognized him immediately.
It was the guy from the phantom drawing.

1017
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:07,360
I think we all felt betrayed.

1018
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:11,560
We all thought, "You're one of us."

1019
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:17,840
Do you feel now,
that it was not a foreign threat?

1020
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:24,520
Neither I nor the Ministry of Justice
has said it was a foreigner.

1021
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:29,400
But that
what is most important to understand now is –

1022
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:36,080
- that there is still a lot of work to be done
with this investigation.

1023
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,240
SUSPECTED BOMBMAN CHARGED

1024
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:47,560
The arrest of Timothy McVeigh
boosted the investigation.

1025
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:53,320
Everything indicated that he was direct
involved, but to what extent?

1026
01:39:53,480 --> 01:39:59,760
On his driver's license it said
an address in Decker, Michigan.

1027
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:04,440
We sent agents to the scene.

1028
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:09,560
The man who lived there
named James Nichols -

1029
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:15,440
- and had a brother, Terry Nichols,
who lived in Herington, Kansas.

1030
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:21,360
We conducted a search
at the Kansas residence of Terry Nichols.

1031
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,760
It was pure goldmine.

1032
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:30,600
There we found a receipt
of 900 kilos of artificial fertiliser.

1033
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:36,640
We found a drill,
which became an important piece of evidence.

1034
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:41,040
But most importantly,
as we found there -

1035
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:45,320
- was a calling card
bearing the name Daryl Bridges -

1036
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:50,800
- who had the same address
in Decker, Michigan.

1037
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:54,560
685 calls had been made
on the card.

1038
01:40:54,720 --> 01:41:00,960
We traced where they were made from,
and to whom they were directed.

1039
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:06,080
There were several calls to chemical companies
and drum factories.

1040
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:11,960
For racetracks and other places,
whom McVeigh and Nichols contacted -

1041
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:16,640
- to buy materials
to their bomb.

1042
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:22,520
The calling card
also led us to Michael Fortier.

1043
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,800
He knew more than we did about the bomb.

1044
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:32,000
When McVeigh had lived with him,
he took a lot of cans -

1045
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:40,200
- and showed Fortier's wife,
how he would build the bomb.

1046
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:48,000
Last night Timothy McVeigh was charged
for the bombing here in the city.

1047
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:53,280
Two brothers, James Douglas Nichols
and Terry Lynn Nichols -

1048
01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:58,120
- are detained as important witnesses.

1049
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:02,800
Another suspect,
referred to as Unknown 2 -

1050
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,800
- is still at large.

1051
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:12,880
An error was made. He is the character
with the Carolina Panthers cap.

1052
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:18,360
It turned out
that the guy had been in the rental -

1053
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,560
- the day before Timothy McVeigh.

1054
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:26,240
The description of him fits perfectly.

1055
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:30,880
<i>Is there an Unknown 2?</i>
<i>Any answer is scary.</i>

1056
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:35,520
<i>Because if there are more people involved,</i>
<i>then they are still at large.</i>

1057
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:42,120
<i>But it's also scary,</i>
<i>if I could do it alone.</i>

1058
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:47,600
<i>The phrase "You can't stand the truth"</i>
<i>fits nicely here.</i>

1059
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:52,720
<i>Because the truth is,</i>
<i>that it was only me.</i>

1060
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:04,520
The prosecutor pressed McVeighs
defending with everything they had.

1061
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:09,400
Testimony of Michael Fortier
was absolutely crucial -

1062
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:13,600
- but he also told
a gripping story.

1063
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:19,320
He said he often dreamed,
that he called and warned people.

1064
01:43:19,480 --> 01:43:24,760
And then he woke up in prison
and hadn't called at all.

1065
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:29,880
So people had died because of him.

1066
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,720
I was the second witness at the trial.

1067
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,800
When I sat on the witness stand -

1068
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:45,000
- it seemed, as if McVeigh
sat just an arm's length away.

1069
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:51,800
He stared at me intently,
but I was not intimidated.

1070
01:43:54,360 --> 01:44:01,360
People asked, “How could you
be in the room with your son's killer?"

1071
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:06,920
I said, “My story is stronger
than all slander against him."

1072
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:11,480
“My story is stronger
than my clenched fist."

1073
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:17,120
I don't sink to his level.
Me and Tevin both deserve better.

1074
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:22,840
All the bomb victims deserve better.

1075
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:42,280
McVeigh opted for an emergency defense.
That he had to bomb the building.

1076
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:47,600
He would not claim to belong
a vast conspiracy -

1077
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:52,080
- as the defender would like to see.

1078
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:57,080
McVeigh wouldn't hear of that,
because it wasn't true.

1079
01:44:57,240 --> 01:45:03,040
And besides, he wanted the "honor"
for what he had done.

1080
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:06,560
There is no evidence that -

1081
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:12,880
- that anyone other than him,
with the help of the two friends -

1082
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:15,760
- had carried out the assassination.

1083
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:22,360
He conceived and built the bomb,
and he was proud of it.

1084
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:29,920
There was no conspiracy.
It is fixed.

1085
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:36,040
But the idea that McVeigh was alone
is completely wrong -

1086
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:40,600
- because it acquits the movement,
from which it all stemmed.

1087
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:45,120
Timothy McVeigh was not alone.

1088
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:49,280
He was a product
of the racist movement.

1089
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:53,800
He had "The Turner Diaries"
with him and read it aloud to people.

1090
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:57,400
He came to the arms fairs.

1091
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:01,520
He met neo-Nazis
and talked with them.

1092
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,520
He was part of the movement.

1093
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:10,920
The idea that there is no connection
between the movement and the assassination -

1094
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:16,800
- is completely wrong.
There was a strong connection.

1095
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:20,840
A rooted connection.

1096
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:26,800
When the verdict was read out,
McVeigh did not prefer a mine.

1097
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:31,280
i think
that he had expected that judgment.

1098
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:39,120
He was waiting to be sentenced to death,
and I think he would be a martyr.

1099
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:43,440
GUILTY

1100
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,920
He thought
that he started a new revolution.

1101
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:50,640
But he did the opposite.

1102
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:56,760
He put on a face,
what does that mean -

1103
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:01,760
- to attack a government.
Government of the people.

1104
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:09,240
We were the state.
We were not villains.

1105
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:14,480
We were mothers, fathers and daughters.

1106
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:19,800
And sons.
And grandparents.

1107
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:24,160
We had a job to do.

1108
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:29,760
You claim that you cannot be
satisfied with a job in the public sector.

1109
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:36,040
We didn't think like that in the office.
We were proud of our work.

1110
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:52,920
<i>The death penalty is an oxymoron.</i>

1111
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:57,400
<i>Death is not a punishment,</i>
<i>but an escape.</i>

1112
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:01,760
<i>They treat me like a trophy.</i>
<i>"We execute him. We won."</i>

1113
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:08,440
<i>They didn't win at all.</i>
<i>The position is 168-1.</i>

1114
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,400
He died without a word.

1115
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:31,560
He felt no pain.
He felt no remorse.

1116
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:35,720
I looked him in the eyes,
before he closed them for the last time.

1117
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:41,080
I saw the same deep anger,
contempt and rage -

1118
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:46,280
- as I had seen at the trial
several years earlier.

1119
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,280
Justice was served.

1120
01:48:52,440 --> 01:48:59,600
It doesn't bring us back the dead,
but that ends a chapter.

1121
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:05,000
And that's what happened,
when they executed Timothy McVeigh.

1122
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:14,720
I had to forgive him,
for it threatened to wear me out.

1123
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:20,360
I knew
that if I kept that hatred alive -

1124
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:27,400
- he would have won.
And he wasn't supposed to have that victory.

1125
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:31,320
He wasn't going to destroy me.

1126
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:40,960
We did not witness the execution.
We wouldn't waste time on that.

1127
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:47,240
We concentrated
all our energies about our children.

1128
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:52,160
Our children and our family.

1129
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:57,960
We are very lucky,
but we have had a hard time.

1130
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:04,480
It has been hard to follow
Brandon's struggle over the past 20 years.

1131
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:13,240
Faith, family and friends.
It has kept us going.

1132
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,440
But it also makes me think:
"Why?"

1133
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,960
I don't think that all the time,
but sometimes I think, "Why?"

1134
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:26,600
I feel something
of the guilt of the survivors.

1135
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:30,800
My children survived,
but many of the others did not.

1136
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:41,360
I hope no one ever again -

1137
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:48,520
- becomes so filled with hate,
prejudice and condemnation -

1138
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:52,920
- that they feel
that the only thing to do -

1139
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:58,000
- is to murder
and harm other people.

1140
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:04,800
I hope that despite all this -

1141
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:09,480
- then love is stronger
than any act of terrorism.

1142
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:16,520
I hope it never happens again.

1143
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:19,120
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