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CHRIS BELL:
January 23, 1984.
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It was a day that
changed my life forever.
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PRESIDENT REAGAN: ...The muscle,
the moral courage that built
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the greatest, freest nation
the world has ever known.
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CHRIS: Ronald Reagan
was our President
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and there was trouble
brewing in Iran.
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I was just a kid,
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but I knew
who was behind it.
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His name was
The Iron Sheik.
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ANNOUNCER:
From Tehran, Iran,
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weighing 258 lbs,
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The Iron Sheik!
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COMMENTATOR: They have a lot of
hate in their hearts for this man.
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Iran-- number one!
U.S.A.-- ( spits )
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CHRIS: You see, Reagan
may have freed the hostages
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but The Sheik still had
the championship belt.
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There was only one man
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that could save us.
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American...
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ANNOUNCER: From Venice
Beach, California,
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the incredible
Hulk Hogan!
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COMMENTATOR: And the
Hulkster rips off that shirt.
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CHRIS: But three
minutes into the match
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Hulk Hogan was locked in
the dreaded camel clutch.
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COMMENTATOR:
It's over for the Hulk.
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CHRIS: This move would snap
the back of a normal man,
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But this wasn't
a normal man.
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This was Hulk Hogan
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and he was fighting
for our country.
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The Hulkster got out
of the camel clutch
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with the Sheik
on his back,
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dropped the big leg
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and he pinned
the Sheik.
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Hulkamania was born
and the message was clear--
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You don't mess
with Hulk Hogan
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and you certainly
don't mess with America.
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I must break you.
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CHRIS: Look what
happened to Ivan Drago.
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He tried to mess
with America
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and Rocky
kicked his ass.
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And then when the Vietnamese
were holding P.O.W.S
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Rambo went in and
he kicked their ass.
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And in the spirit
of Rambo
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let me tell you we're
gonna win this time.
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CHRIS: Then came
Arnold Schwarzenegger,
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The ultimate
ass-kicker.
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I never saw "Gone With
the Wind" or "Casablanca,"
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but I can tell you every
line of every Arnold movie.
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"Crush your enemies, see
them driven before you
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and hear the lamentations
of the women."
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( mimics ) "Dylan,
you son of a bitch."
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And they go bam! And they're all oiled
up and their veins are popping out.
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I have the power!
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TV ANNOUNCER:
Better, Stronger, Faster.
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CHRIS: I was just 12 years old
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and there was an explosion
of ass-kicking in America.
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REAGAN: And like
our Olympic athletes
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we set our sights
on the stars
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and we're going
for the gold.
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CHRIS: I wanted to
tear off my shirt
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and be ripped, tanned
and larger than life.
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But in reality
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I was a fat, pale kid
from Poughkeepsie.
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You see, I come from
an overweight family.
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My parents were always a
little on the heavy side.
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I couldn't ask
for a better mom.
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She did everything
for her three boys.
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We went to church
three times a week
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and she even taught
Sunday school.
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My dad was always
there for us too
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and he even coached
our little league teams.
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I love my dad, but he
was never really my hero.
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I didn't want
to be like him.
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I wanted to be
like Arnold.
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Problem is, I was always
too small, too short.
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People would say, "Hey, Little Bell.
What's up, Little Bell?"
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And I didn't want
to be Little Bell.
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I wanted to be
Big Bell.
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My older brother Mike
was a little chubby
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and every morning
when he went to school
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he'd get on the bus and the
kids would call him Pugsley.
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He didn't like that
too much,
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so he beat
some of those kids up.
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That's where he got
the nickname "Mad Dog."
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Mark was
the baby of the family.
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He had a hard time
in school.
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He was separated
from his friends
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and put in the class
with the special kids.
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It didn't make him feel
very special at all.
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He hated school,
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So he spent all of his
time playing sports.
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He'd come to the dinner
table dripping with sweat.
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Mad Dog and I
nicknamed him "Smelly."
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So I was the short kid,
Mad Dog was the fat kid
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And Smelly had
a learning disability.
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Okay, I get it.
We're never gonna make it, right?
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But for us, we knew
muscles were the answer
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and the Hulkster
showed us the way.
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Train, say your prayers,
eat your vitamins.
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Be true to yourself,
true to your country.
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Be a real American.
( exhales )
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CHRIS: So we started
training in the basement.
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We'd body-slam
each other,
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drop elbows, D.D.T.S
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Double noggin knocker,
the abdominal stretch,
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the iron claw,
the Boston crab
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the piledriver.
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And when Mad Dog
was too tough for me
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I would break out
the steel chair.
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My mom's brother John
was a bodybuilder
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and he gave me and my brothers
our first muscle magazines
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and showed us
how to work out.
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And the next Christmas
instead of video games
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we got the Hulkamania
workout set.
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- Are you ready to feel the power?
- ( crowd cheering )
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Ladies and gentlemen,
we are
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the power team!
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CHRIS: Mad Dog became the
captain of the football team
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and Smelly and I both started
competing in power lifting.
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ANNOUNCER:
Chris Bell is next at 425.
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CHRIS: Soon I was the
strongest kid in my high school.
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Then I broke
the New York State record.
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And that's when I first got
accused of using steroids.
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I knew guys who used
them, but they were losers.
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If my heroes didn't need
steroids then neither did I.
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By the time
I was a senior
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I was one of the strongest
kids in the country.
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Hulk Hogan was always
talking about
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"hanging and banging down at
Gold's Gym, Venice Beach, brother."
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I thought, "that's
where Arnold trains.
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that's where
I need to be."
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I was gonna be
an American hero
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And I was willing to do
whatever it takes.
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( alarm buzzes )
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( sighs )
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( buzzing )
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CHRIS: It's been 15 years
since I got to California
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and now
I'm 33 years old.
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When Arnold was 33
he'd already won
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the Mr. Olympia
seven times.
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Stallone had already made
"Rocky I and Rocky II."
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And the Hulkster
had already been
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the heavyweight champion
four years in a row.
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I really thought muscles
were gonna be the answer.
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But all they got me was a
job selling gym memberships.
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I still train
every day at Gold's,
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But the only thing left of Arnold
is a cheap mural on the wall
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and a bunch of guys telling
stories about the old days,
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like my buddy Paul.
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It's changed a lot in
all these years, you know.
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How long
have you been here?
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Since 1980.
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Of course, Arnold was
on the scene and Arnold--
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Nobody had ever seen anybody
who looked like Arnold.
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Sylvester Stallone had
just done the "Rocky" movies
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and he was the type of
guy that I could relate to.
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CHRIS: Paul even got a chance to
work with Sly in "Over the Top."
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I should be able to
blow them away real easy.
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PAUL: I couldn't believe
the dream was coming true.
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And did you get a chance
to do it again?
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No, but I'm hoping
to get back in shape
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to be able to make that
a reality.
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You can be
on the street one day
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and you can be in the
penthouse the next.
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Anything's possible.
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This is
my humble abode.
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- Your humble abode right here?
- Yeah.
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So do you actually
live in the van?
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I actually live--
well, I sleep in it,
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let's put it
this way, yes.
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You sleep in it. And
then you train over here.
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I train here, yeah.
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You would see
vans like this--
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Guys would come from
all over the world,
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sleep in their cars,
this and that--
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Anything to get a chance
to train at Gold's Gym
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because we had
something special here.
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What would you say
to people that say,
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"the dream's over, man.
You're 50 years old."
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What would you say
to those people?
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They're the ones
that are short-sighted.
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Now in six months I
could still be in the van,
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but if I can
outlift everybody,
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I can outsquat them, outbench
them, out-dead-lift them,
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- Who's the king?
- ( chuckles )
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Guys like you and me
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Can fulfill our dreams.
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We can train.
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Game ain't over.
The sun is shining.
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And it ain't over.
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CHRIS: Is that gonna
be me in 20 years?
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I did everything
my heroes said--
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I trained,
I said my prayers,
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I had my vitamins.
Where did I go wrong?
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- Hey, good morning.
- Good morning.
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How are you?
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I always make the cookie bars
'cause cookie bars are important.
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What teams did you
make these for?
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I made them for Arlington
football teams
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first time ever
they won a ball game.
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They used to call them
"Rosie's cookie bars"
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and they really believe that
they help them win all the games.
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Wouldn't that be like
performance enhancement?
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It's not an enhancement.
It's a little bit of sugar,
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which can get you going,
carbs.
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But it's all natural
ingredients.
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There's no steroids
in here.
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Eating your mom's cooking is sort
of comforting, don't you think?
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Sure.
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Things change,
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but the cookie bars remain,
that's for sure.
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CHRIS:
My mom likes to think
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that the world is as pure
as her cookie bars.
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But life isn't always
like that.
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And a lot of things we grew up
believing ended up not being true.
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First I found out there's
no such thing as Santa Claus
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or the easter bunny.
That kind of sucks.
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Then I saw
this news report.
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REPORTER: The Iron Sheik
had been arrested recently
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along with wrestler
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
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while driving along
the Garden State Parkway.
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The Iron Sheik was charged with
possession of cocaine and marijuana.
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What has interested most
wrestling fans in this case
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is that the Iron Sheik and Hacksaw
are known to be adversaries.
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So why were they
traveling together?
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CHRIS: Yeah, I thought
these guys hated each other.
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COMMENTATOR: Wham! Right on
the back of the Iron Sheik!
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CHRIS: Was their feud all made up?
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Was wrestling fake?
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Who's left
to believe in anymore?
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Well, at least
I still had my heroes.
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Those guys would never
let me down.
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REPORTER: Today Hogan
admits the famous physique
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was the result
of 12 years of steroids.
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CHRIS: Truth is, all my heroes
had a dirty little secret.
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Hollywood actor Sylvester
Stallone has been charged
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with importing
bodybuilding drugs
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when he visited Australia
last month.
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- MAN: Did you take steroids?
- I take them.
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I took them, yeah,
up until the competition.
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CHRIS: I was always
against steroids
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and when I found out that
all my heroes used them
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I'd like to say it didn't
bother me, but it really did.
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I can't imagine
how my mom would feel
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if she found out
that both of my brothers
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are on steroids
right now.
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My older brother
started using steroids
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when he went to play
Division I football
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at the University
of Cincinnati.
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When I got to Cincinnati the
practices were so grueling,
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much more than
what I expected.
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Coaches would say, "you gotta
get bigger, stronger, faster."
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- CHRIS: Was it intimidating?
- Oh, man,
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A lot different than I
thought it was gonna be.
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SHELDON BELL: He called me from Cincinnati
and asked me for money for steroids.
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I said, "what do you need that for?"
he says, "I can't compete here."
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So I'm like, "I don't know what
that is. It sounds like drugs."
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He goes, "it is drugs." I said, "I'm
not gonna send you money for drugs.
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If you want drugs
go get a job."
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I remember at one point I
think you maybe came home
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for a break
or you did something
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and you told me, "hey,
come here, help me out."
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And you pulled down your pants and you're
like, "you have to inject this in me."
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And I hated it 'cause I was
totally against steroids.
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And you were like, "come on,
just do it. You have to do it."
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You gotta help your big brother out,
man. So it was no decision at all.
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Everybody else that was
doing well was on 'em.
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CHRIS: Shortly after
getting on the juice
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Mad Dog quit college to
pursue an even bigger dream.
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COMMENTATOR:
Oh, look at that now!
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Here we go!
Mike Bell!
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CHRIS:
I couldn't believe it.
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That was my big brother
wrestling on T.V.
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COMMENTATOR: Right
hand by Bell. Oh, man!
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CHRIS: Mad Dog wanted
to be a superstar,
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But he was what they call
a "jobber."
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That's the guy they pay
to get beat up
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to make the other guys look
good. He didn't care, though.
281
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He was gonna get himself a contract
and headline "Wrestlemania."
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COMMENTATOR: Why did you
even come in the ring?
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You should have
gone home, dummy.
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CHRIS: But he never
got the contract
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And eventually
the W.W.E. stopped calling.
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Why did you think
you didn't make it?
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Probably mostly
my own fault.
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I went from being a guy
who used steroids
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to a guy who used
steroids and pot.
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And I still needed
to escape reality
291
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so I started taking ecstasy,
cocaine, acid, painkillers.
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COMMENTATOR: Mike Bell is where
he does not need to be now.
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He's in the wrong corner
and he's paying the price.
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CHRIS:
Mad Dog always told me
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that he'd rather be dead
than average.
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And when he thought
his dream was over
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he couldn't cope
with the failure.
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MIKE: So I had a
bottle of liquid lead,
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a bottle of NyQuil and four
boxes of sleeping pills.
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I went down
to the river
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down by
the railroad tracks,
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parked my car,
took everything.
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ROSEMARY: And he tried
to walk into the--
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He tried to walk
into the Hudson river.
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CHRIS: So did you take
all the sleeping pills?
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- Everything.
- And the lead additive?
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There's no way I should be
alive right now. There's no way.
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CHRIS:
It's 10 years later
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and despite everything
that happened
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Mad Dog is still trying
to get that contract,
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Trying to keep
the dream alive.
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'Cause I've been
all over the world
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from Singapore to Louisville,
and it doesn't matter--
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You line 'em up,
I'll knock 'em down.
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I can see why
you never made it.
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( laughing )
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CHRIS: Mad Dog used to wrestle
in front of a television audience
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of 10 million people
every week,
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but tonight he's wrestling
at the Portuguese Men's Center
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In front of 200 people
for about 50 bucks.
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( yells )
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CHRIS: And instead of
wrestling Bret the Hitman Hart
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He's facing Midgeto
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And he's getting
his ass kicked.
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( crowd cheering )
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Come on, man,
come on.
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CHRIS: My baby brother Smelly
was always trying to keep up
328
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and despite everything
that happened to Mad Dog
329
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he followed in his
footsteps anyway,
330
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becoming a pro wrestler
and using steroids.
331
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The reason I decided
to use steroids was simple.
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I just needed
to get bigger.
333
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That was
pretty much it.
334
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CHRIS: But unlike when Mad
Dog started using steroids,
335
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Smelly had a wife
to consider.
336
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When you got married
did you ever think
337
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that your husband would be
injecting himself with something?
338
00:14:41,795 --> 00:14:44,767
No, that didn't even enter
in my conscious thought.
339
00:14:44,768 --> 00:14:47,305
When I first met him
he was against steroids.
340
00:14:47,306 --> 00:14:48,674
He was like,
"you don't need to do it.
341
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I've never done 'em. I
just don't believe in 'em."
342
00:14:50,881 --> 00:14:52,817
MARK: I was pretty upset about it
343
00:14:52,818 --> 00:14:55,088
Because I didn't want it to come
to that. I was kind of scared.
344
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I didn't want to inject
this oil into my body.
345
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I thought
it was weird.
346
00:15:01,068 --> 00:15:03,071
He's not a huge guy,
you know.
347
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He's 6' if he's lucky
348
00:15:04,709 --> 00:15:08,081
and so I knew that it was
definitely going to help
349
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because that's
what it does,
350
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what steroids do--
make you bigger.
351
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She basically said,
"do what you need to do."
352
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ANDEE:
Here's Jake with the daddy.
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CHRIS: After their son
was born Smelly decided
354
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The life of a pro wrestler was
not exactly what he wanted anymore.
355
00:15:24,484 --> 00:15:26,520
Here's my little Jake
in his swing.
356
00:15:26,521 --> 00:15:29,659
Mark: Looking back, I don't
really know what the hell I wanted.
357
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Having a contract means
that you belong to W.W.E.
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And you have to travel.
I was married with a kid.
359
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I mean, that's really
all I need--
360
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A house, a kid and a wife. I'm set.
361
00:15:39,481 --> 00:15:41,151
One, two, three!
362
00:15:41,152 --> 00:15:42,721
CHRIS: They settled
down in the suburbs
363
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and Smelly even
opened up his own gym.
364
00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:46,462
Yeah, my little brother
gave up
365
00:15:46,463 --> 00:15:48,599
the wrestling dream for
a respectable family life,
366
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,770
but he didn't quite
give up everything.
367
00:15:50,771 --> 00:15:52,774
( crowd cheering )
368
00:15:54,746 --> 00:15:56,750
MARK:
Now that I'm into it
369
00:15:56,751 --> 00:15:59,789
I realize it's not really
all that bad. I love steroids.
370
00:15:59,790 --> 00:16:02,495
I think I'll probably be
on and off of them
371
00:16:02,496 --> 00:16:04,199
probably forever.
372
00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,169
This is what you trained
for! This is what you do!
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00:16:06,170 --> 00:16:08,741
Come on, boy!
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00:16:08,742 --> 00:16:10,812
ANDEE: I thought that
we had an agreement
375
00:16:10,813 --> 00:16:12,281
that he did it
for wrestling.
376
00:16:12,282 --> 00:16:13,885
Now he's not
wrestling anymore
377
00:16:13,886 --> 00:16:16,190
so naturally I thought
he would just stop.
378
00:16:16,191 --> 00:16:18,494
MARK: In my mind there's no excuse
379
00:16:18,495 --> 00:16:20,833
for not being as strong
as you possibly can be.
380
00:16:20,834 --> 00:16:22,035
( crowd cheering )
381
00:16:22,036 --> 00:16:24,340
You do what you gotta do
to win.
382
00:16:26,211 --> 00:16:27,747
ANNOUNCER: Come on, Chris,
let's do this now.
383
00:16:30,053 --> 00:16:33,158
ANNOUNCER: Let's give it up
for him. It's a lot of weight.
384
00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:34,929
MAN:
There it is.
385
00:16:34,930 --> 00:16:36,164
Come on now!
386
00:16:38,638 --> 00:16:40,674
( cheering )
387
00:16:40,675 --> 00:16:44,015
ANNOUNCER: Smoke
show! Come on, Chris.
388
00:16:46,922 --> 00:16:48,891
- Take it, take it.
- MEN: Take it, take it.
389
00:16:50,963 --> 00:16:52,966
ANNOUNCER: Nice
try, Chris, nice try.
390
00:16:52,967 --> 00:16:55,138
MARK:
If you are apprehensive
391
00:16:55,139 --> 00:16:57,375
about taking a steroid
or you're apprehensive
392
00:16:57,376 --> 00:16:59,580
about trying
some new methods
393
00:16:59,581 --> 00:17:01,751
then maybe you're not
cut out to be a champion.
394
00:17:01,752 --> 00:17:04,591
ANNOUNCER: In first
place, Mark Bell.
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CHRIS: I guess I'm not
cut out to be a champion,
396
00:17:07,564 --> 00:17:10,904
because I tried steroids but
I felt so guilty I had to stop.
397
00:17:10,905 --> 00:17:13,208
- Are you gonna win worst overall lifter?
- Yeah.
398
00:17:13,209 --> 00:17:14,845
CHRIS: And now I can't even compete
399
00:17:14,846 --> 00:17:16,749
In the sport
I grew up loving.
400
00:17:16,750 --> 00:17:20,291
I mean, my baby brother
just beat me by 130 lbs.
401
00:17:20,292 --> 00:17:22,095
( sighs )
402
00:17:22,096 --> 00:17:24,834
We all grew up
in the same house,
403
00:17:24,835 --> 00:17:28,441
so why are my brothers fine
with steroids but I'm not?
404
00:17:28,442 --> 00:17:30,211
What would you say
the differences are
405
00:17:30,212 --> 00:17:32,750
- between the three kids.
- Between the three?
406
00:17:32,751 --> 00:17:35,055
Well, I always kind of
say it like this--
407
00:17:35,056 --> 00:17:37,526
you were in the middle
of two guys
408
00:17:37,527 --> 00:17:39,430
that were very
strapping, athletic,
409
00:17:39,431 --> 00:17:41,435
and you were tiny
and short in stature,
410
00:17:41,436 --> 00:17:44,675
so I worked extra hard to
make you feel extra special.
411
00:17:44,676 --> 00:17:46,545
One day I took you
in your room--
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00:17:46,546 --> 00:17:49,284
I don't know if you remember
this conversation where I said,
413
00:17:49,285 --> 00:17:51,856
"Christopher, what's the
best part of an Oreo cookie?"
414
00:17:51,857 --> 00:17:53,794
What is the best part
of an Oreo cookie?
415
00:17:53,795 --> 00:17:56,098
- The middle.
- The middle. That's right.
416
00:17:56,099 --> 00:17:59,974
So even though you have two
sides of a cookie on this end,
417
00:17:59,975 --> 00:18:01,743
the middle part is
the most delicious.
418
00:18:01,744 --> 00:18:04,115
Everybody wants the middle.
They even made double stuff.
419
00:18:04,116 --> 00:18:06,854
CHRIS: Yep, this is pretty
much how it was growing up.
420
00:18:06,855 --> 00:18:08,558
Mom stayed at home
with the kids
421
00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:11,230
while Dad wore a suit
and tie and went to work.
422
00:18:11,231 --> 00:18:14,670
He was at I.B.M. for 20
years until he was downsized.
423
00:18:14,671 --> 00:18:17,175
But now he has his own
business doing taxes.
424
00:18:17,176 --> 00:18:19,447
SHELDON: Everybody thinks
that success in America
425
00:18:19,448 --> 00:18:21,952
is in the amount of dollars that
you have. And that's not true.
426
00:18:21,953 --> 00:18:23,789
The real true heroes
are people
427
00:18:23,790 --> 00:18:25,793
who go to work every day
and do their job
428
00:18:25,794 --> 00:18:28,399
and bring up their kids to
the best of their ability.
429
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,403
CHRIS:
I wanted to be Hulk Hogan.
430
00:18:30,404 --> 00:18:33,075
I wanted to be Arnold. I
wanted to be Sylvester Stallone.
431
00:18:33,076 --> 00:18:35,580
Did you have heroes like that
growing up, when you were a kid?
432
00:18:35,581 --> 00:18:38,520
SHELDON: Yeah, we
did. We had heroes
433
00:18:38,521 --> 00:18:41,994
like Mickey Mantle,
Roger Maris.
434
00:18:41,995 --> 00:18:44,331
But I knew I could
never aspire to it
435
00:18:44,332 --> 00:18:46,603
because back then
you grew up,
436
00:18:46,604 --> 00:18:48,941
you graduated, you got
married and you had kids.
437
00:18:48,942 --> 00:18:51,680
CHRIS: Yeah, my dad
had the American dream--
438
00:18:51,681 --> 00:18:53,852
you know, marry your
high-school sweetheart,
439
00:18:53,853 --> 00:18:57,426
buy a house and take your
kids to see the Yankees.
440
00:18:57,427 --> 00:18:59,430
But things are
different now.
441
00:18:59,431 --> 00:19:02,837
And even baseball's changed
from when my dad was growing up.
442
00:19:02,838 --> 00:19:04,842
And now when I think
of baseball
443
00:19:04,843 --> 00:19:07,213
I don't think about the
Babe or Hammerin' Hank.
444
00:19:10,153 --> 00:19:12,189
I think of steroids.
445
00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:16,967
COMMENTATOR: This one is a
monster! It is out of here!
446
00:19:16,968 --> 00:19:21,208
CHRIS: After the strike of
'94 baseball was almost dead.
447
00:19:21,209 --> 00:19:23,312
But then Mark McGuire
and Sammy Sosa
448
00:19:23,313 --> 00:19:25,418
started smashing
home runs,
449
00:19:25,419 --> 00:19:27,655
racing toward the
single-season record.
450
00:19:27,656 --> 00:19:29,759
You see,
about 1000 years ago
451
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,465
Babe Ruth had 60 home
runs in one season.
452
00:19:32,466 --> 00:19:34,302
And then when my
parents were still kids
453
00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:36,607
Roger Maris hit
number 61.
454
00:19:36,608 --> 00:19:39,246
He was the home-run champ
for 37 years
455
00:19:39,247 --> 00:19:42,519
until Big Mac came along
and crushed that record
456
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,927
with 70 home runs
and baseball was saved.
457
00:19:45,928 --> 00:19:47,664
COMMENTATOR:
Gone!
458
00:19:47,665 --> 00:19:51,405
Mark McGuire, you have just
broken the home-run record.
459
00:19:51,406 --> 00:19:53,242
What are you going
to do next?
460
00:19:53,243 --> 00:19:54,711
We're going
to Disney World.
461
00:19:56,817 --> 00:19:59,756
CHRIS: I guess Barry Bonds
wanted to go to Disney world too
462
00:19:59,757 --> 00:20:01,258
'cause in 2001
463
00:20:01,259 --> 00:20:03,663
he smashed 73 bombs
to break McGuire's record.
464
00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:05,300
COMMENTATOR:
This is the one!
465
00:20:05,301 --> 00:20:07,304
There's a new
record homer!
466
00:20:07,305 --> 00:20:10,077
CHRIS: See, baseball
players used to be scrawny,
467
00:20:10,078 --> 00:20:12,949
but now these guys were
jacked and it was cool.
468
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:15,355
They started looking
like pro wrestlers.
469
00:20:15,356 --> 00:20:18,661
JOE BUCK: If you were to
construct a home-run hitter
470
00:20:18,662 --> 00:20:22,068
in a lab, put him together,
he'd look like that.
471
00:20:22,069 --> 00:20:24,373
CHRIS: Turns out, that was
kind of what was going on.
472
00:20:24,374 --> 00:20:26,945
The man with ties
to some big-name athletes
473
00:20:26,946 --> 00:20:28,649
has been charged
with providing
474
00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:30,719
performance-enhancing
drugs to the pros.
475
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,659
CHRIS: The guy with the pencil-thin
mustache is Victor Conte.
476
00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:36,264
He used to be the bass
player for Tower of Power,
477
00:20:36,265 --> 00:20:38,268
but when that career
didn't work out
478
00:20:38,269 --> 00:20:40,474
he did what any failed
musician would do--
479
00:20:40,475 --> 00:20:43,179
he started selling undetectable
steroids to athletes.
480
00:20:43,180 --> 00:20:45,217
REPORTER:
Will you name names?
481
00:20:45,218 --> 00:20:47,054
There will be
naming of names.
482
00:20:47,055 --> 00:20:50,093
CHRIS: Conte's files
named over 250 athletes,
483
00:20:50,094 --> 00:20:53,734
including the home-run
king himself, Barry Bonds.
484
00:20:53,735 --> 00:20:55,838
And then something
even crazier happened--
485
00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,977
Jose Canseco
wrote a book.
486
00:20:57,978 --> 00:21:01,316
The surprise wasn't that he was
literate, it's what he wrote about.
487
00:21:01,317 --> 00:21:03,655
He said he'd been taking
steroids since '86,
488
00:21:03,656 --> 00:21:06,093
that 80% of baseball
was on the juice
489
00:21:06,094 --> 00:21:08,732
and that he personally
injected his former bash brother
490
00:21:08,733 --> 00:21:10,636
Mark McGuire
in the ass.
491
00:21:10,637 --> 00:21:11,839
But why, Mr. McGuire?
492
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,177
Do you want to know
the terrifying truth
493
00:21:14,178 --> 00:21:16,448
or do you want to see me
sock a few dingers?
494
00:21:16,449 --> 00:21:18,386
Dingers!
Dingers!
495
00:21:19,188 --> 00:21:20,823
Ooh.
496
00:21:20,824 --> 00:21:23,029
All right,
Congress wants to haul
497
00:21:23,030 --> 00:21:24,565
a bunch of baseball players
498
00:21:24,566 --> 00:21:26,435
up to Capitol Hill
to talk about steroids.
499
00:21:26,436 --> 00:21:30,678
CHRIS: In 2005 Congress
spent 151 days in session.
500
00:21:30,679 --> 00:21:33,517
They spent eight of those days
debating steroids in sports.
501
00:21:33,518 --> 00:21:36,556
That's more time than they
spent on national healthcare,
502
00:21:36,557 --> 00:21:38,560
why the levees broke
in New Orleans,
503
00:21:38,561 --> 00:21:40,565
and more than ending
the war in Iraq.
504
00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:42,970
Apparently,
the United States Congress
505
00:21:42,971 --> 00:21:46,009
takes this whole national
pastime thing kind of seriously.
506
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:49,016
I'm a baseball fan.
I always have been.
507
00:21:49,017 --> 00:21:51,688
Let me just start by saying
that I am a huge baseball fan.
508
00:21:51,689 --> 00:21:54,026
For me baseball is not a game,
it's a passion.
509
00:21:54,027 --> 00:21:56,197
We have every right
to be concerned
510
00:21:56,198 --> 00:21:59,304
that the national pastime
and all that it represents
511
00:21:59,305 --> 00:22:04,815
has been threatened by the
selfish actions of a few.
512
00:22:04,816 --> 00:22:08,222
There's something simply
un-American about this.
513
00:22:08,223 --> 00:22:11,730
CHRIS: If using steroids makes
the Bash brothers un-American,
514
00:22:11,731 --> 00:22:14,871
what does that make
the Bell brothers?
515
00:22:14,872 --> 00:22:18,244
Congressman Kanjorski, do you
think that this is not a matter
516
00:22:18,245 --> 00:22:20,114
for the U.S. Congress
to be deliberating?
517
00:22:20,115 --> 00:22:21,785
I just don't think
it's necessary.
518
00:22:21,786 --> 00:22:23,722
Why are we just gonna
call seven people
519
00:22:23,723 --> 00:22:25,125
and of what importance
are they?
520
00:22:25,126 --> 00:22:28,398
In the last 52 years
we've only done it 25 times.
521
00:22:28,399 --> 00:22:30,402
14 of those times were
522
00:22:30,403 --> 00:22:32,006
by the un-American
activities committee.
523
00:22:34,111 --> 00:22:37,016
Are you now or have ever been
a member of the Communist Party?
524
00:22:37,017 --> 00:22:39,855
Well, sir, I'm not here
to talk about the past.
525
00:22:39,856 --> 00:22:43,429
I have never
used steroids, period.
526
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:46,436
Did you know that other
players were using steroids?
527
00:22:46,437 --> 00:22:50,144
I have never seen a syringe.
I have never seen steroids.
528
00:22:50,145 --> 00:22:52,649
But in locker-room gossip--
you may not have seen it.
529
00:22:52,650 --> 00:22:55,221
People talk, right? "this guy's doing
something, that guy's doing something."
530
00:22:55,222 --> 00:22:58,595
Now Mr. McGuire, would you
like to comment on that?
531
00:22:58,596 --> 00:23:01,033
You don't want
to comment?
532
00:23:01,034 --> 00:23:02,436
Are you taking the fifth?
533
00:23:04,241 --> 00:23:07,112
This is about values.
It's about our culture.
534
00:23:07,113 --> 00:23:09,584
It's about who we
define ourselves to be.
535
00:23:09,585 --> 00:23:12,457
When we want to define
to a foreign country
536
00:23:12,458 --> 00:23:15,930
what we're about and
you're gonna show a film,
537
00:23:15,931 --> 00:23:18,302
what would you
go show?
538
00:23:18,303 --> 00:23:20,306
CHRIS:
Hey, how about "Rocky IV"?
539
00:23:20,307 --> 00:23:22,077
There's nothing
more American than that.
540
00:23:22,078 --> 00:23:24,849
The big Russian trains
in a high-tech facility
541
00:23:24,850 --> 00:23:27,521
with a whole team
of scientists and trainers,
542
00:23:27,522 --> 00:23:30,494
and of course
he takes steroids.
543
00:23:30,495 --> 00:23:32,298
Meanwhile, Rocky's
out there lifting logs,
544
00:23:32,299 --> 00:23:36,206
chopping wood, training in
a barn the all-natural way,
545
00:23:36,207 --> 00:23:38,945
'cause only Commies would
take steroids, right?
546
00:23:38,946 --> 00:23:41,650
Sure, Sly,
whatever you say.
547
00:23:41,651 --> 00:23:44,056
Truth is, steroids were
the secret weapon
548
00:23:44,057 --> 00:23:45,860
that helped American
fight the Russians
549
00:23:45,861 --> 00:23:47,563
on the Olympic
battlefield.
550
00:23:47,564 --> 00:23:49,567
And it all
began here,
551
00:23:49,568 --> 00:23:51,905
York BarHenry
in Pennsylvania.
552
00:23:51,906 --> 00:23:53,909
CHRIS: When you
were an Olympic coach
553
00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:56,515
did you see a lot of
steroid use going on?
554
00:23:56,516 --> 00:23:59,020
( laughs )
Much.
555
00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:00,456
- Yeah.
- Much.
556
00:24:00,457 --> 00:24:03,763
Smitty's 83,
one of the old-timers.
557
00:24:03,764 --> 00:24:07,204
He was the coach of the Olympic
weight-lifting team back then.
558
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,083
Was it ever thought of
as cheating at that point?
559
00:24:09,084 --> 00:24:13,192
No. No, because we figured
everybody was taking it.
560
00:24:13,578 --> 00:24:15,581
We figured
even steven.
561
00:24:15,582 --> 00:24:18,119
Smitty told me the story
about how anabolic steroids
562
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,023
were first introduced
to the U.S. Olympic team.
563
00:24:20,024 --> 00:24:22,126
- ( Soviet hymn playing )
- It was the late 1950s
564
00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:24,832
and the Russians were
dominating America
565
00:24:24,833 --> 00:24:26,434
in the space race
and at the Olympics.
566
00:24:26,435 --> 00:24:29,874
But one night the
Russian coach got drunk
567
00:24:29,875 --> 00:24:31,845
and told
the American coach
568
00:24:31,846 --> 00:24:34,349
they'd been injecting their
athletes with steroids.
569
00:24:34,350 --> 00:24:36,019
The American coach
raced home
570
00:24:36,020 --> 00:24:38,123
and developed an even more
powerful steroid
571
00:24:38,124 --> 00:24:41,361
specifically
for team U.S.A.
572
00:24:41,362 --> 00:24:45,302
So if steroids actually helped
America beat the commies,
573
00:24:45,303 --> 00:24:48,141
How did it get
such a bad rap?
574
00:24:48,142 --> 00:24:51,213
MARIA SHRIVER: Last week former
N.F.L. Defensive lineman Lyle Alzado
575
00:24:51,214 --> 00:24:54,285
told N.B.C. News that
steroids were the cause
576
00:24:54,286 --> 00:24:56,589
of his inoperable
brain cancer.
577
00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:58,226
How long were you
on steroids?
578
00:24:58,227 --> 00:25:00,229
Most of my
pro career.
579
00:25:00,230 --> 00:25:02,634
You know,
I played 16 years.
580
00:25:02,635 --> 00:25:05,406
And it got me where I wanted
but also got me very sick.
581
00:25:05,407 --> 00:25:07,142
CHRIS: Lyle Alzado went from being
582
00:25:07,143 --> 00:25:09,146
the toughest son of
a bitch in the N.F.L.
583
00:25:09,147 --> 00:25:11,149
to being a sad
dying man.
584
00:25:11,150 --> 00:25:14,089
Everything I saw on T.V.
taught me that steroids kill.
585
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:16,560
Some alarming news
about steroid use tonight.
586
00:25:16,561 --> 00:25:18,529
REPORTER: A drug bust
in Phoenix, Arizona,
587
00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:20,400
not for heroin
or cocaine,
588
00:25:20,401 --> 00:25:22,738
but for something
just as dangerous.
589
00:25:22,739 --> 00:25:24,742
Health damage from steroids
can include
590
00:25:24,743 --> 00:25:27,346
heart, joint
and reproductive problems,
591
00:25:27,347 --> 00:25:28,782
this is a drug
that kills.
592
00:25:28,783 --> 00:25:31,320
What happens is that
these retarded idiots
593
00:25:31,321 --> 00:25:33,324
that give us the news,
these talking heads
594
00:25:33,325 --> 00:25:36,295
that babble on T.V.
give us this rhetoric
595
00:25:36,296 --> 00:25:38,299
that comes from
not one single expert.
596
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:41,839
And they say ridiculous things
like steroids will kill you,
597
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,910
they'll rot your kidneys,
they'll give you cancer,
598
00:25:43,911 --> 00:25:46,080
they'll do all these horrible
things that are just not true.
599
00:25:46,081 --> 00:25:49,319
CHRIS: John Romano is the senior
editor of a bodybuilding magazine
600
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,991
and he disagrees with what his
media colleagues think of steroids.
601
00:25:51,992 --> 00:25:54,095
Well, how come we hear
constantly in the news
602
00:25:54,096 --> 00:25:56,032
that people are dying
through taking steroids?
603
00:25:56,033 --> 00:25:58,035
- Show me the bodies.
- Lyle Alzado.
604
00:25:58,036 --> 00:26:00,039
Lyle Alzado didn't die
from steroids.
605
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,375
I trained with him
for two years.
606
00:26:01,376 --> 00:26:03,712
He didn't die from steroids.
He died from a brain tumor.
607
00:26:03,713 --> 00:26:06,384
I don't know of any of
my colleagues that link
608
00:26:06,385 --> 00:26:09,523
his central nervous system
lymphoma to his use of steroids.
609
00:26:09,524 --> 00:26:11,527
CHRIS: Dr. Charles
Yesalis has published
610
00:26:11,528 --> 00:26:13,530
over 70 articles
on the use of steroids
611
00:26:13,531 --> 00:26:17,003
and is one of the top experts
in the world on drugs in sports.
612
00:26:17,004 --> 00:26:19,174
- Are steroids killing people?
- good question.
613
00:26:19,175 --> 00:26:21,178
They've been
used in medicine
614
00:26:21,179 --> 00:26:23,181
since the late 1930s.
615
00:26:23,182 --> 00:26:25,486
I hope we haven't been
purposely killing people.
616
00:26:25,487 --> 00:26:28,124
Can they be used safely?
Yeah.
617
00:26:28,125 --> 00:26:32,265
These drugs are a boon
in the medical profession.
618
00:26:32,266 --> 00:26:35,003
They're a miracle drug for
people with muscle wasting.
619
00:26:35,004 --> 00:26:38,476
They are a miracle drug
for burn victims,
620
00:26:38,477 --> 00:26:42,016
for cancer patients, people
recovering from surgery.
621
00:26:42,017 --> 00:26:44,387
CHRIS: And for people with
A.I.D.S. like Jeff Taylor.
622
00:26:44,388 --> 00:26:47,292
Jeff has been fighting
H.I.V. for 25 years
623
00:26:47,293 --> 00:26:49,396
and he says
steroids saved his life.
624
00:26:49,397 --> 00:26:52,803
Back in '92 I was
down to two "T" cells
625
00:26:52,804 --> 00:26:55,909
and very sick. I'd
developed P.C.P. pneumonia.
626
00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:58,246
Both my lungs collapsed.
I almost didn't make it.
627
00:26:58,247 --> 00:27:00,818
I came out of a hospital
weighing 125 lbs.
628
00:27:00,819 --> 00:27:04,158
So I started researching and
found a clinical trial in L.A.
629
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:06,729
They were studying Anavar,
an old bodybuilding drug,
630
00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:09,334
to test how it worked
for people with H.I.V.
631
00:27:09,335 --> 00:27:11,638
So I signed myself up,
got a fairly high dose
632
00:27:11,639 --> 00:27:13,641
and responded amazingly.
633
00:27:13,642 --> 00:27:17,549
I gained 30 lbs
in six weeks
634
00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:19,452
and I gained
300 "T" cells.
635
00:27:19,453 --> 00:27:21,523
JOHN ROMANO: So these drugs
have cognitive powers--
636
00:27:21,524 --> 00:27:23,059
if you're sick
they'll help you;
637
00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:24,996
if you're a healthy athlete
they'll kill you?
638
00:27:24,997 --> 00:27:28,503
How can you say steroids are
a national public health crisis
639
00:27:28,504 --> 00:27:31,876
when you have people dropping dead at
a rate you can measure by the minute
640
00:27:31,877 --> 00:27:33,778
as a result
of alcohol and tobacco?
641
00:27:33,779 --> 00:27:36,083
CHRIS:
According to the C.D.C.,
642
00:27:36,084 --> 00:27:39,656
tobacco kills about 435,000
Americans every year,
643
00:27:39,657 --> 00:27:43,329
alcohol kills
about 75,000,
644
00:27:43,330 --> 00:27:46,469
and deaths from anabolic
steroid abuse-- three.
645
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:49,742
But steroids also show up
in some other statistics--
646
00:27:49,743 --> 00:27:51,745
emergency room visits.
647
00:27:51,746 --> 00:27:53,815
But it's not exactly
number one on the list--
648
00:27:53,816 --> 00:27:56,253
that would be alcohol;
or number two--
649
00:27:56,254 --> 00:27:58,257
that's cocaine;
650
00:27:58,258 --> 00:28:00,628
or number three--
that's marijuana.
651
00:28:00,629 --> 00:28:02,966
Gotta be top 10,
though, right?
652
00:28:02,967 --> 00:28:04,969
Uh, not quite.
653
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:06,973
How about top 25?
654
00:28:06,974 --> 00:28:09,344
Top 100?
Keep going.
655
00:28:09,345 --> 00:28:11,348
Try number 142.
656
00:28:11,349 --> 00:28:13,351
That's even
after multivitamins.
657
00:28:13,352 --> 00:28:16,290
Flintstones vitamins...
658
00:28:16,291 --> 00:28:18,293
DR. YESALIS:
Education is important,
659
00:28:18,294 --> 00:28:20,831
but what you have to
watch out for
660
00:28:20,832 --> 00:28:23,236
is emChrisishing.
661
00:28:23,237 --> 00:28:25,774
If you look
at "Reefer Madness,"
662
00:28:25,775 --> 00:28:29,313
it caused you to be a
stark-raving, murdering lunatic--
663
00:28:29,314 --> 00:28:31,986
Very funny to watch because
it goes so over the edge.
664
00:28:31,987 --> 00:28:35,325
The next tragedy may be
that of your daughter,
665
00:28:35,326 --> 00:28:38,397
of your son,
or yours.
666
00:28:40,435 --> 00:28:43,172
Physicians and sports
scientists have done that
667
00:28:43,173 --> 00:28:45,377
with the best of
intentions in this area--
668
00:28:45,378 --> 00:28:47,548
"Oh, steroids
are going to cause you
669
00:28:47,549 --> 00:28:51,354
to drop over dead
in your tracks" and so on.
670
00:28:51,355 --> 00:28:53,926
And the athletes are looking
around saying, "Jesus,
671
00:28:53,927 --> 00:28:55,963
haven't seen
that many guys die."
672
00:28:55,964 --> 00:28:57,966
Are steroids
killing people?
673
00:28:57,967 --> 00:28:59,970
Steroids clearly are
killing people
674
00:28:59,971 --> 00:29:01,974
both in the short term
and in the long term.
675
00:29:01,975 --> 00:29:05,313
CHRIS: Dr. Gary Wadler is an advisor
to the world anti-doping agency
676
00:29:05,314 --> 00:29:08,218
and the media's go-to guy
when it comes to steroids.
677
00:29:08,219 --> 00:29:10,223
We know it's been associated
678
00:29:10,224 --> 00:29:12,226
with stroke
in young people
679
00:29:12,227 --> 00:29:15,565
for which there was no
other obvious explanation.
680
00:29:15,566 --> 00:29:18,571
We know it's been
associated with heart attacks
681
00:29:18,572 --> 00:29:21,610
for which there was no
other obvious explanation.
682
00:29:21,611 --> 00:29:23,279
We know
it increases clotting.
683
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,185
What bothers me are people
like Dr. Gary Wadler
684
00:29:26,186 --> 00:29:28,756
who's a physician
and going before Congress
685
00:29:28,757 --> 00:29:30,994
and saying these things,
and when confronted--
686
00:29:30,995 --> 00:29:32,998
"Please produce
a single article
687
00:29:32,999 --> 00:29:36,203
that shows any of this in any
scientific way," can't do it.
688
00:29:36,204 --> 00:29:39,075
CHRIS: Dr. Norm Fost is a
professor of medical ethics
689
00:29:39,076 --> 00:29:41,880
with a research focus on
performance-enhancing drugs.
690
00:29:41,881 --> 00:29:44,351
So I'm not denying
that there aren't
691
00:29:44,352 --> 00:29:46,923
some serious adverse effects
from anabolic steroids.
692
00:29:46,924 --> 00:29:49,594
It's just that we haven't been
able to demonstrate any of them.
693
00:29:49,595 --> 00:29:51,264
Maybe that's because
we don't study them.
694
00:29:51,265 --> 00:29:53,869
One of the problems
with the ban on steroids
695
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:56,206
is that it's impossible
to do the kind of research
696
00:29:56,207 --> 00:29:57,642
that would answer
these questions.
697
00:29:57,643 --> 00:30:00,347
Some purists would like
to see those studies done.
698
00:30:00,348 --> 00:30:02,518
Well, I can assure you
they never will be done.
699
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,457
It would be a totally
unethical study to do.
700
00:30:05,458 --> 00:30:08,195
So we have to use the
information we have at hand.
701
00:30:08,196 --> 00:30:10,566
Depression, convulsions,
702
00:30:10,567 --> 00:30:13,471
anxiety, jaundice,
703
00:30:13,472 --> 00:30:16,110
myocardial infarction--
which is heart attack--
704
00:30:16,111 --> 00:30:18,113
eczema, abscess,
705
00:30:18,114 --> 00:30:20,317
vaginal pain,
vaginal discharge.
706
00:30:20,318 --> 00:30:23,890
You wanna know what I'm reading
this from? What does that say?
707
00:30:23,891 --> 00:30:25,326
- "Vitamin c."
- Thank you.
708
00:30:25,327 --> 00:30:28,232
I mean, look, peanuts are
dangerous. You understand?
709
00:30:28,233 --> 00:30:31,104
There are people
that take a peanut
710
00:30:31,105 --> 00:30:34,810
and have a peanut and they
go into anaphylactic shock.
711
00:30:34,811 --> 00:30:37,649
Okay? The airway closes
up. That's it. They die.
712
00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:40,287
Now does that mean
that we ban peanuts
713
00:30:40,288 --> 00:30:42,825
and sue God
for making them?
714
00:30:42,826 --> 00:30:44,728
- No.
- Right.
715
00:30:44,729 --> 00:30:47,801
What we do is we say,
"okay, peanut warnings."
716
00:30:47,802 --> 00:30:49,805
There is no safe drug.
717
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,376
There is no safe drug
that ever exists.
718
00:30:52,377 --> 00:30:55,014
There's always
the benefit-to-risk ratio.
719
00:30:55,015 --> 00:30:57,018
You name the drug--
"X" percent of people
720
00:30:57,019 --> 00:30:59,021
will suffer
adverse effects.
721
00:30:59,022 --> 00:31:01,159
CHRIS: Do you feel
any side effects ever?
722
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,396
MARK: Yeah, I've had
some side effects--
723
00:31:03,397 --> 00:31:05,934
acne, hair growth.
724
00:31:05,935 --> 00:31:08,138
Some side effects
that I've had are--
725
00:31:08,139 --> 00:31:10,276
What do you mean by hair
growth? On your head?
726
00:31:10,277 --> 00:31:12,346
No, just on my chest
and my back and stuff.
727
00:31:12,347 --> 00:31:14,216
I never break out.
My back doesn't break out.
728
00:31:14,217 --> 00:31:16,220
I don't get hairy
from it.
729
00:31:16,221 --> 00:31:18,190
You get a little
testicular atrophy,
730
00:31:18,191 --> 00:31:20,160
but then they come back.
It's normal.
731
00:31:20,161 --> 00:31:21,996
- Your balls shrank?
- The balls shank.
732
00:31:21,997 --> 00:31:23,633
- Who needs 'em?
- Who needs 'em?
733
00:31:23,634 --> 00:31:25,771
What about testosterone?
I have some friends who say
734
00:31:25,772 --> 00:31:28,442
it is like a wonder drug.
It makes them feel great.
735
00:31:28,443 --> 00:31:31,280
It makes them feel,
you know, frisky
736
00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:34,019
and young and it's
great for their skin.
737
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:36,491
The negative side effects would
be my lovely singing voice,
738
00:31:36,492 --> 00:31:38,660
hair like a monkey
from my head to my toes,
739
00:31:38,661 --> 00:31:41,867
I mean, hair growing out places
you don't even want to talk about.
740
00:31:41,868 --> 00:31:43,937
( low voice ) I mean,
I want to stay feminine.
741
00:31:43,938 --> 00:31:45,940
And I think that's why
I get so much work.
742
00:31:45,941 --> 00:31:47,944
It's because I still
look like a woman
743
00:31:47,945 --> 00:31:49,815
and I still have
hard muscles.
744
00:31:49,816 --> 00:31:51,584
DR. COLKER:
In my experience,
745
00:31:51,585 --> 00:31:54,022
steroids are just gonna make
you more of whatever you are.
746
00:31:54,023 --> 00:31:57,163
If you're a jerk
and you take steroids
747
00:31:57,164 --> 00:32:00,268
- You're a super jerk, right?
- An asshole.
748
00:32:00,269 --> 00:32:02,539
You've seen that, right? You
go beyond. You're an asshole.
749
00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:04,276
ANDEE: I've never seen Roid Rage.
750
00:32:04,277 --> 00:32:07,114
I've never seen any
difference in his personality
751
00:32:07,115 --> 00:32:09,785
or how he is with me,
how he is with Jake.
752
00:32:09,786 --> 00:32:11,789
It hasn't done
anything
753
00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:14,828
that all those after-school
specials tell you that it's gonna do.
754
00:32:14,829 --> 00:32:16,665
Bryce, I gotta
get bigger, man.
755
00:32:16,666 --> 00:32:19,336
- Here, this might help.
- Steroids?
756
00:32:19,337 --> 00:32:21,540
WOMAN: What is going on with you?
757
00:32:21,541 --> 00:32:23,210
God damn it!
758
00:32:29,957 --> 00:32:33,596
( sobbing )
759
00:32:33,597 --> 00:32:35,800
CHRIS: While I was visiting
my brother and his family
760
00:32:35,801 --> 00:32:38,471
they told me they were
thinking of having another child
761
00:32:38,472 --> 00:32:42,145
but that another possible side
effect of steroids was on their minds.
762
00:32:42,146 --> 00:32:43,514
If you couldn't have
another kid
763
00:32:43,515 --> 00:32:45,317
would it be something
that you'd regret
764
00:32:45,318 --> 00:32:46,820
because you did
steroids?
765
00:32:46,821 --> 00:32:49,759
Yeah. If it was
simply from that, yeah.
766
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,397
I'd probably regret it.
But there's a lot of things
767
00:32:52,398 --> 00:32:54,902
people regret in their
lives, so I'm not, you know--
768
00:32:54,903 --> 00:32:58,341
it's a decision I made and it's
a decision I'll have to live with,
769
00:32:58,342 --> 00:33:00,311
whatever
the consequences are.
770
00:33:05,756 --> 00:33:09,095
CHRIS: It's been 15
years since Alzado died.
771
00:33:09,096 --> 00:33:11,599
- Why did you lie to me?
- I was afraid...
772
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,903
CHRIS: Looking back at
Maria Shriver's interview
773
00:33:13,904 --> 00:33:15,906
I can't help
but wonder,
774
00:33:15,907 --> 00:33:18,411
why wasn't she asking
the real questions like
775
00:33:18,412 --> 00:33:20,916
"is this gonna happen
to my husband?"
776
00:33:20,917 --> 00:33:22,953
Did she really
believe Lyle
777
00:33:22,954 --> 00:33:24,957
or was this
just the beginning
778
00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:27,995
of the steroid myth?
779
00:33:27,996 --> 00:33:30,834
And even though the experts
know a lot more about steroids,
780
00:33:30,835 --> 00:33:33,038
you sure wouldn't know it
from watching the news.
781
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,543
Tonight, one of the nation's
most serious drug problems
782
00:33:35,544 --> 00:33:38,581
and it's only getting worse.
It's steroids.
783
00:33:38,582 --> 00:33:40,585
Professional wrestler
Chris Benoit
784
00:33:40,586 --> 00:33:42,990
killed his wife,
his seven-year-old son,
785
00:33:42,991 --> 00:33:44,425
and then hung himself.
786
00:33:44,426 --> 00:33:47,298
Why did he do it?
Steroids found in the house.
787
00:33:47,299 --> 00:33:49,601
Steroids cause
suicidal tendencies.
788
00:33:49,602 --> 00:33:51,305
MAN: They hallucinate.
They hear voices.
789
00:33:51,306 --> 00:33:53,175
MAN
Depression, paranoia.
790
00:33:53,176 --> 00:33:55,179
Steroids could be
the actual cause...
791
00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:56,514
Speculation
is running wild.
792
00:33:56,515 --> 00:33:58,118
Do you think these drugs
could affect one's mind?
793
00:33:58,119 --> 00:33:59,320
Now we know.
794
00:33:59,321 --> 00:34:01,323
- Testosterone...
- Steroids...
795
00:34:01,324 --> 00:34:04,996
( overlapping voices )
796
00:34:04,997 --> 00:34:06,633
CHRIS:
Let's cut through the crap.
797
00:34:06,634 --> 00:34:09,305
This is steroids 101.
798
00:34:09,306 --> 00:34:11,375
First of all,
the term "steroids"
799
00:34:11,376 --> 00:34:14,814
Is often misused to describe
any performance-enhancing drug
800
00:34:14,815 --> 00:34:17,085
When in fact
many of these drugs
801
00:34:17,086 --> 00:34:19,056
are not actually
steroids at all.
802
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,360
So what are steroids?
803
00:34:21,361 --> 00:34:23,364
Well, steroids are
synthetic versions
804
00:34:23,365 --> 00:34:26,069
of hormones that your body
produces naturally,
805
00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:28,073
like cortisone--
that's a steroid.
806
00:34:28,074 --> 00:34:30,644
It signals the body
to break down inflammation.
807
00:34:30,645 --> 00:34:32,647
Birth control pills
are steroids too
808
00:34:32,648 --> 00:34:34,484
Made from the female
sex hormones
809
00:34:34,485 --> 00:34:36,320
estrogen
and progesterone.
810
00:34:36,321 --> 00:34:38,859
But the steroids that get
all the negative attention
811
00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:40,529
are anabolic steroids,
812
00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:42,933
Made from the male
sex hormone testosterone
813
00:34:42,934 --> 00:34:45,671
which tells the body to
increase muscle size and strength
814
00:34:45,672 --> 00:34:47,742
and helps to recover
from workouts faster.
815
00:34:47,743 --> 00:34:50,915
Like any drug, anabolic
steroids do have side effects.
816
00:34:50,916 --> 00:34:53,920
And if you abuse them the
side effects will be worse.
817
00:34:53,921 --> 00:34:56,057
For men,
they can cause acne,
818
00:34:56,058 --> 00:34:58,094
hair growth,
raised cholesterol,
819
00:34:58,095 --> 00:35:00,732
shrink your testicles
and lower your sperm count,
820
00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:02,702
which could even
make you sterile.
821
00:35:02,703 --> 00:35:04,372
But all of these
side effects
822
00:35:04,373 --> 00:35:06,375
are reversible
when you go off the drugs.
823
00:35:06,376 --> 00:35:08,646
Otherwise, steroids
don't cause baldness,
824
00:35:08,647 --> 00:35:10,383
but if it runs
in your family
825
00:35:10,384 --> 00:35:12,119
they might make you
go bald faster.
826
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,324
And they can also cause
gynecomastia,
827
00:35:14,325 --> 00:35:16,461
or what the gym rats call
"bitch tits."
828
00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:19,199
For women, in addition
to acne and hair growth,
829
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,138
steroids can cause a deepened
voice, menstrual problems
830
00:35:22,139 --> 00:35:24,141
and can enlarge
the clitoris.
831
00:35:24,142 --> 00:35:26,145
And some of these
are not reversible.
832
00:35:26,146 --> 00:35:28,149
And for kids,
some experts think
833
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:31,154
steroids can stunt growth by
closing growth plates prematurely.
834
00:35:31,155 --> 00:35:33,225
But that's actually
never been proven.
835
00:35:33,226 --> 00:35:36,865
There's also no proof that steroids
cause cancer, kidney failure,
836
00:35:36,866 --> 00:35:38,836
and only oral steroids
in high dosages
837
00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:40,872
can cause
liver problems.
838
00:35:40,873 --> 00:35:43,645
And it's true that steroids
can be one of 1000 risk factors
839
00:35:43,646 --> 00:35:46,416
that could lead to heart
disease, but then again
840
00:35:46,417 --> 00:35:49,187
low testosterone is
another big risk factor.
841
00:35:49,188 --> 00:35:52,060
And Roid Rage? Steroids
can increase aggression,
842
00:35:52,061 --> 00:35:55,198
but that only happens in
about 5% of the population.
843
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,438
And even then, they
can't make you psychotic.
844
00:35:58,439 --> 00:36:00,876
And as for the long-term
side effects,
845
00:36:00,877 --> 00:36:03,881
we don't know. No one's
ever done those studies.
846
00:36:03,882 --> 00:36:07,154
At what point do we say
that a behavior is such
847
00:36:07,155 --> 00:36:10,427
that people just shouldn't
be allowed to engage in it?
848
00:36:10,428 --> 00:36:12,864
I mean, we do
allow people
849
00:36:12,865 --> 00:36:15,703
to do lots of things
that can hurt themselves.
850
00:36:15,704 --> 00:36:18,875
REPORTER: America's new
junkies-- plastic surgery addicts.
851
00:36:18,876 --> 00:36:20,879
I've had my eyes done,
852
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,851
rhinoplasty, chin cleft,
853
00:36:23,852 --> 00:36:27,191
pectoral implants,
bicep implants,
854
00:36:27,192 --> 00:36:29,629
buttock augmentation.
855
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:32,000
And those are the ones
I can remember right offhand.
856
00:36:32,001 --> 00:36:34,604
TV NARRATOR: Common sense tells
you this is dangerous and foolish.
857
00:36:34,605 --> 00:36:37,442
You wouldn't risk your neck
in a trick like this.
858
00:36:37,443 --> 00:36:39,980
Common sense tells us that
being shot out of a cannon
859
00:36:39,981 --> 00:36:42,419
Is dangerous business.
Handling dynamite--
860
00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:43,988
This too
looks dangerous.
861
00:36:43,989 --> 00:36:46,626
RICK COLLINS: Whether
it's bungee jumping
862
00:36:46,627 --> 00:36:49,465
or skydiving
863
00:36:49,466 --> 00:36:51,469
or black-diamond
skiing--
864
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:54,308
All of them
are fun to do
865
00:36:54,309 --> 00:36:57,681
But would subject one
to tremendous risks
866
00:36:57,682 --> 00:36:59,651
with no real
necessity.
867
00:36:59,652 --> 00:37:03,591
And so if we allow
all of those other risks,
868
00:37:03,592 --> 00:37:06,129
why is it that we're
taking this position
869
00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:08,133
with respect
to anabolic steroids?
870
00:37:08,134 --> 00:37:11,940
- ( gunshot )
- COMMENTATOR: And it's a fair start.
871
00:37:11,941 --> 00:37:14,578
CHRIS:
1988, Seoul, Korea.
872
00:37:14,579 --> 00:37:16,983
A Canadian sprinter
Ben Johnson
873
00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:18,987
defeated his archrival
Carl Lewis
874
00:37:18,988 --> 00:37:20,723
in the 100-meter sprint
875
00:37:20,724 --> 00:37:22,793
to become the fastest man
in history.
876
00:37:22,794 --> 00:37:24,664
MAN: It sure got our spirit up.
877
00:37:24,665 --> 00:37:26,734
Just great.
Hey, Benny!
878
00:37:26,735 --> 00:37:28,904
CHRIS:
But 24 hours later
879
00:37:28,905 --> 00:37:30,942
he tested positive
for steroids
880
00:37:30,943 --> 00:37:34,315
and they gave the gold
medal to our guy, Carl Lewis.
881
00:37:34,316 --> 00:37:37,086
COLLINS: There was an
international uproar
882
00:37:37,087 --> 00:37:40,326
over the idea
that this Canadian sprinter
883
00:37:40,327 --> 00:37:43,398
had gotten an advantage
based on his use
884
00:37:43,399 --> 00:37:46,604
of anabolic steroids
for its performance effect.
885
00:37:46,605 --> 00:37:49,275
And Congress responded
by holding some hearings.
886
00:37:49,276 --> 00:37:51,579
Ben Johnson would not
have been in the finals.
887
00:37:51,580 --> 00:37:54,051
He probably would not have
been on the Olympic team
888
00:37:54,052 --> 00:37:55,954
had he not
taken steroids.
889
00:37:55,955 --> 00:37:58,726
CHRIS: Congress wanted to pass
a law that would control steroids
890
00:37:58,727 --> 00:38:00,830
the same way as drugs
like cocaine and heroin
891
00:38:00,831 --> 00:38:03,201
and they called experts
from the D.E.A.,
892
00:38:03,202 --> 00:38:06,441
the F.D.A. and the American
Medical Association.
893
00:38:06,442 --> 00:38:09,245
But they all testified that
steroids should not be treated
894
00:38:09,246 --> 00:38:12,485
like illicit drugs. So Congress
disregarded their experts
895
00:38:12,486 --> 00:38:16,492
and in 1990 they passed the
Anabolic Steroid Control Act,
896
00:38:16,493 --> 00:38:19,865
turning non-medical users
into federal drug criminals.
897
00:38:19,866 --> 00:38:23,037
COLLINS: This wasn't so
much about health effects.
898
00:38:23,038 --> 00:38:27,045
It was really on what
these things do that's good
899
00:38:27,046 --> 00:38:29,549
in the sense that
they build muscle,
900
00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:32,488
they improve the way
that people can perform.
901
00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:35,159
And that
in a sports context
902
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,230
was seen
as the ultimate evil.
903
00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:39,968
If we took a pie chart
of steroid use
904
00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:43,274
and we looked at
what percentage of that pie
905
00:38:43,275 --> 00:38:45,812
is comprised
of athletes
906
00:38:45,813 --> 00:38:48,718
it would be a very very
small slice of that pie.
907
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,489
The overwhelming
majority of the pie
908
00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:54,996
is comprised of the
recreational gym rat
909
00:38:54,997 --> 00:38:57,567
who's doing it purely
for cosmetic reasons.
910
00:38:57,568 --> 00:39:00,172
The irony is
that we've addressed
911
00:39:00,173 --> 00:39:02,176
a sports cheating issue
912
00:39:02,177 --> 00:39:04,280
by creating a law
913
00:39:04,281 --> 00:39:06,851
that affects all the folks
who aren't cheating in sports.
914
00:39:06,852 --> 00:39:09,389
REPORTER: One look at
Gregory Valentino's arms
915
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:11,393
and you know
something's going on.
916
00:39:11,394 --> 00:39:13,897
The 40-year-old is charged
with criminal possession
917
00:39:13,898 --> 00:39:16,368
of anabolic steroids
with intent to sell.
918
00:39:16,369 --> 00:39:18,473
CHRIS: Some people may
call Gregg Valentino
919
00:39:18,474 --> 00:39:20,609
a freak and a felon.
I call him a neighbor.
920
00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:22,880
He lives down the
block from my grandma.
921
00:39:22,881 --> 00:39:25,318
He also happens to have the
biggest biceps in the world.
922
00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:26,988
Holy crap.
923
00:39:26,989 --> 00:39:28,591
Do you have difficulty
with just sort of
924
00:39:28,592 --> 00:39:30,962
the regular things in life,
like making a sandwich?
925
00:39:30,963 --> 00:39:33,600
No. No no.
926
00:39:33,601 --> 00:39:35,237
I can hit a 90-mile-an-hour
fastball.
927
00:39:35,238 --> 00:39:36,906
Any body wants to
challenge me-- let's do it.
928
00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:38,275
I'll show you.
Watch this.
929
00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:40,913
Oh! Oh! Oh!
930
00:39:40,914 --> 00:39:42,917
( laughs )
Come on, Gregg.
931
00:39:42,918 --> 00:39:44,586
Oof!
932
00:39:44,587 --> 00:39:47,592
I told you
I'm no Barry Bonds.
933
00:39:47,593 --> 00:39:50,865
I'm a red-meat man.
I eat a lot of red meat.
934
00:39:50,866 --> 00:39:53,035
Why do you think people
in America are so uptight
935
00:39:53,036 --> 00:39:55,440
About steroids
and steroid users?
936
00:39:55,441 --> 00:39:58,279
Because they fear--
937
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,652
they fear
what they don't know.
938
00:40:01,653 --> 00:40:04,423
You know?
939
00:40:04,424 --> 00:40:07,028
That's ugly. Who the hell
would want to look like that?
940
00:40:07,029 --> 00:40:08,530
I don't want
to look like that.
941
00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:10,434
Why did you want to look
like that then?
942
00:40:10,435 --> 00:40:12,805
Um, I mean,
I like being big.
943
00:40:12,806 --> 00:40:14,708
I had small-man complex, you know.
944
00:40:14,709 --> 00:40:16,612
I'd be like, "I don't
want to be little."
945
00:40:16,613 --> 00:40:19,484
I wanted to be taller. I couldn't
grow taller, so I grew wider.
946
00:40:19,485 --> 00:40:22,156
Personally I think in the
picture that you showed me--
947
00:40:22,157 --> 00:40:24,360
- Oh, I look better.
- Your arms look a lot better there
948
00:40:24,361 --> 00:40:28,334
- than they look now, right? Wouldn't you agree?
- Without a doubt.
949
00:40:28,335 --> 00:40:30,671
I would rather look like
that. Do you think girls
950
00:40:30,672 --> 00:40:32,641
look at me and go,
"oh My God, that's hot"?
951
00:40:32,642 --> 00:40:34,879
They like... ( gags )
"that's --ing gross."
952
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,085
I walk into a club and the hottest
girl could be there with her boyfriend
953
00:40:38,086 --> 00:40:40,256
and her boyfriend
will see me
954
00:40:40,257 --> 00:40:42,292
and mush her in the face
to get over to me
955
00:40:42,293 --> 00:40:44,596
just to say to me, like,
"dude, what the --?"
956
00:40:44,597 --> 00:40:46,867
You're getting attention from
the guys, not from the girl.
957
00:40:46,868 --> 00:40:49,472
I don't give a shit. It's
attention. I can't explain it to you.
958
00:40:49,473 --> 00:40:51,943
It's like a mindset. Does
that make sense or no?
959
00:40:51,944 --> 00:40:53,947
But I tell you what--
when I'm done
960
00:40:53,948 --> 00:40:56,585
my biceps are humongous,
humongous.
961
00:40:56,586 --> 00:40:58,122
Like that-- bam!
962
00:40:58,123 --> 00:41:00,125
For myself, I'm kind of
on the fence.
963
00:41:00,126 --> 00:41:02,129
I have two brothers.
They're both taking steroids
964
00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:03,665
right as we speak
right now.
965
00:41:03,666 --> 00:41:05,669
I don't know
if I want people
966
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:07,673
to think
I'm not cheating
967
00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:09,609
or to look at me
and say,
968
00:41:09,610 --> 00:41:12,682
"Wow, you know, you
really have a great build."
969
00:41:12,683 --> 00:41:15,720
But do you think I should
take steroids to get there?
970
00:41:15,721 --> 00:41:19,093
I think steroids are
as American as apple pie.
971
00:41:19,094 --> 00:41:20,830
We live in a society
today that--
972
00:41:20,831 --> 00:41:23,335
You got M.T.V.
And reality shows,
973
00:41:23,336 --> 00:41:25,772
Madonna's making out
with Britney Spears,
974
00:41:25,773 --> 00:41:28,644
Rap music and all that shit, and
you're worried about steroids?
975
00:41:28,645 --> 00:41:31,115
Kids are like, "--
you, cop. -- you, man,"
976
00:41:31,116 --> 00:41:34,321
Playing video games like grand
theft auto where you're killing cops.
977
00:41:34,322 --> 00:41:37,928
That's worse influence in my
opinion than steroids will ever be,
978
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:39,931
than Barry Bonds
hitting home runs.
979
00:41:39,932 --> 00:41:42,871
There's a big difference
between a kid taking steroids
980
00:41:42,872 --> 00:41:45,376
who's only had hair on
his dick a couple of years,
981
00:41:45,377 --> 00:41:48,448
as opposed to a grown man
who's looking to perform better
982
00:41:48,449 --> 00:41:50,718
At a better level
in sports.
983
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,722
And where is Schwarzenegger
in all this?
984
00:41:52,723 --> 00:41:54,726
I mean, he is the
poster boy for steroids.
985
00:41:54,727 --> 00:41:57,331
He's the poster boy for "hey,
look, look at me, look what I did.
986
00:41:57,332 --> 00:41:59,368
I came, I conquered,
I kicked ass."
987
00:41:59,369 --> 00:42:02,908
That autobiography says he
was doing it when he was 15-16.
988
00:42:02,909 --> 00:42:07,249
Hey, he won Mr. Universe
at 19 years old-- 19.
989
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:09,553
Did you ever see what he
looked like when he was 19?
990
00:42:09,554 --> 00:42:11,791
Do you think it was god-given
genetics or do you think
991
00:42:11,792 --> 00:42:13,695
that maybe he took the
performance enhancers?
992
00:42:13,696 --> 00:42:15,698
A lot of people
idolize these guys,
993
00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:18,837
whether it's a rock star, a
bodybuilder, a movie star, whoever,
994
00:42:18,838 --> 00:42:21,408
and all of a sudden
you get to meet them
995
00:42:21,409 --> 00:42:23,212
and, man,
is it a let-down.
996
00:42:23,213 --> 00:42:27,186
Because they're never ever
what they appear to be.
997
00:42:27,187 --> 00:42:29,190
The guy you see
in public like this
998
00:42:29,191 --> 00:42:32,528
has got the middle finger
under the table going like this.
999
00:42:32,529 --> 00:42:34,900
It's never "what you see
is what you get."
1000
00:42:34,901 --> 00:42:37,137
It's "what you see is
what they want you to see."
1001
00:42:37,138 --> 00:42:39,475
Everybody idolized
Schwarzenegger growing up.
1002
00:42:39,476 --> 00:42:41,979
Everybody thought,
"man, I wanna lift weights
1003
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:43,983
and life a pure life
like Arnold.
1004
00:42:43,984 --> 00:42:46,922
And I'm gonna eat all my vegetables
and take my protein shakes.
1005
00:42:46,923 --> 00:42:49,928
Maybe I'll move out to
California, train at Gold's Gym.
1006
00:42:49,929 --> 00:42:52,165
And I'm gonna get really
big. I'm gonna win contests.
1007
00:42:52,166 --> 00:42:53,901
I'm gonna be
a movie star too."
1008
00:42:53,902 --> 00:42:55,538
ANNOUNCER:
Please welcome a man
1009
00:42:55,539 --> 00:42:59,010
whose story embodies
the American dream.
1010
00:42:59,011 --> 00:43:01,014
One thing I learned
about America is
1011
00:43:01,015 --> 00:43:04,120
that if you work hard and
if you play by the rules
1012
00:43:04,121 --> 00:43:06,491
this country is truly
open to you.
1013
00:43:06,492 --> 00:43:09,063
You can achieve
anything.
1014
00:43:09,064 --> 00:43:11,901
Dude, that is--
1015
00:43:11,902 --> 00:43:14,505
That is a pipe dream.
1016
00:43:14,506 --> 00:43:16,509
That is
a pipe dream, okay?
1017
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:18,513
To get where
Arnold got in life
1018
00:43:18,514 --> 00:43:20,918
you have to be willing
to step on a few fingers
1019
00:43:20,919 --> 00:43:23,623
and step on a few friends
and fuck a few people over.
1020
00:43:23,624 --> 00:43:25,392
You don't get to that
level without that.
1021
00:43:25,393 --> 00:43:27,229
In this world you're
either the barracuda
1022
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:29,734
or you're that little minnow
swimming around like this.
1023
00:43:29,735 --> 00:43:31,303
And Arnold's
the barracuda.
1024
00:43:31,304 --> 00:43:33,407
And we'll all exercise
a little bit together
1025
00:43:33,408 --> 00:43:36,580
with the dumbbells. Come on
now, let's do some presses here.
1026
00:43:36,581 --> 00:43:38,817
CHRIS: In the same year
that George Bush Sr. signed
1027
00:43:38,818 --> 00:43:41,722
the Steroid Control Act he
also made Arnold Schwarzenegger
1028
00:43:41,723 --> 00:43:44,594
the chairman of the President's
Council on Physical Fitness.
1029
00:43:44,595 --> 00:43:46,464
So I'm confused.
1030
00:43:46,465 --> 00:43:49,002
Was the President saying
that a former steroid user
1031
00:43:49,003 --> 00:43:50,705
could still be a
role model for kids?
1032
00:43:50,706 --> 00:43:52,042
- Are you gonna exercise?
- Yeah!
1033
00:43:52,043 --> 00:43:53,611
We're gonna
pump up muscle!
1034
00:43:53,612 --> 00:43:56,015
TV NARRATOR:
Enter Steve Rogers,
1035
00:43:56,016 --> 00:43:58,119
Too puny to be
accepted by the army,
1036
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,091
but willing to risk
death for his country.
1037
00:44:01,092 --> 00:44:03,362
He's changing
right before our eyes!
1038
00:44:03,363 --> 00:44:05,366
TV NARRATOR:
Suddenly it is over
1039
00:44:05,367 --> 00:44:07,369
and America has
a new champion.
1040
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:10,475
CHRIS: Why do you think in America
superheroes are so important?
1041
00:44:10,476 --> 00:44:12,479
STAN LEE:
People need heroes,
1042
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,184
Whether in real life
or in fiction,
1043
00:44:15,185 --> 00:44:17,722
because they need somebody
to inspire them,
1044
00:44:17,723 --> 00:44:19,692
something to aim for,
1045
00:44:19,693 --> 00:44:21,997
somebody to try
to be like.
1046
00:44:21,998 --> 00:44:25,235
I think any boy
would want
1047
00:44:25,236 --> 00:44:27,606
to be built like
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
1048
00:44:27,607 --> 00:44:30,879
Did you ever want to be
big a muscular like that?
1049
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,250
I wanted to be a little--
when I'd go to the beach
1050
00:44:33,251 --> 00:44:36,155
I used to wish that my
arms were a little stronger.
1051
00:44:36,156 --> 00:44:38,861
I looked more like
the 98-lb weakling.
1052
00:44:38,862 --> 00:44:41,265
Did that ever inspire you,
that Charles Atlas comic strip?
1053
00:44:41,266 --> 00:44:44,203
- Did that inspire some of your characters?
- It inspired everybody.
1054
00:44:44,204 --> 00:44:46,474
CHARLES ATLAS: Let me teach
you how to become strong.
1055
00:44:46,475 --> 00:44:50,248
( fanfare )
1056
00:44:53,789 --> 00:44:56,392
When you're young
you get impressions
1057
00:44:56,393 --> 00:44:59,198
That pretty much
last you all your life.
1058
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,602
If you step up
and show up
1059
00:45:01,603 --> 00:45:03,706
and play hard,
you're gonna play.
1060
00:45:03,707 --> 00:45:05,409
All right,
get a break.
1061
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:07,412
- ( boys cheer )
- Rock 'n' roll, fellas!
1062
00:45:07,413 --> 00:45:09,149
CHRIS:
Smelly's now a coach
1063
00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:11,153
for the local high-school
football team.
1064
00:45:11,154 --> 00:45:13,925
Kind of like Arnold, he just
wants to give back to the kids.
1065
00:45:13,926 --> 00:45:16,262
MARK: Going to school
was pretty painful for me.
1066
00:45:16,263 --> 00:45:19,034
Oftentimes I can find
the kid who is like me
1067
00:45:19,035 --> 00:45:21,038
and maybe doesn't have
the best confidence
1068
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:22,674
and show him
how to lift weights
1069
00:45:22,675 --> 00:45:24,276
and build him up
physically and mentally.
1070
00:45:24,277 --> 00:45:26,514
( cheering )
1071
00:45:26,515 --> 00:45:28,685
BOY:
He's the kind of guy
1072
00:45:28,686 --> 00:45:31,423
who would get in your life
and slowly turn it around.
1073
00:45:31,424 --> 00:45:33,761
He keeps me going. He keeps
me motivated about something.
1074
00:45:33,762 --> 00:45:35,731
When he works with those
high school kids
1075
00:45:35,732 --> 00:45:38,669
that's his passion.
Not a lot of kids
1076
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:41,074
Have a strong male figure
in their life.
1077
00:45:43,514 --> 00:45:46,351
I mean, a lot of people--
they're usually very selfish,
1078
00:45:46,352 --> 00:45:48,688
but he's not. I've never really
met anyone that's like that.
1079
00:45:52,663 --> 00:45:54,265
CHRIS: There's a gym
in Columbus, Ohio,
1080
00:45:54,266 --> 00:45:56,669
Where the strongest guys
in the world train.
1081
00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:58,840
It's called
West Side Barbell.
1082
00:45:58,841 --> 00:46:02,280
And this is where Smelly learned
from his role model, Louie Simmons.
1083
00:46:02,281 --> 00:46:04,551
I've got a philosophy like
many-- when you go to war
1084
00:46:04,552 --> 00:46:07,456
you go to kill.
You don't go to get killed.
1085
00:46:07,457 --> 00:46:09,059
There's nobody
in this place
1086
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:11,029
that's not trying to be the
best athlete in the world.
1087
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:15,170
Everybody here is trying to
achieve an elite level of success.
1088
00:46:15,171 --> 00:46:17,241
Pretty much as you're a kid you
always want to be the strongest.
1089
00:46:17,242 --> 00:46:19,244
I always wanted to be
the strongest guy.
1090
00:46:19,245 --> 00:46:21,682
And I still want
to be that, you know.
1091
00:46:21,683 --> 00:46:24,120
( all cheering )
1092
00:46:24,121 --> 00:46:26,725
SIMMONS: In 1959 my
father showed me a book.
1093
00:46:26,726 --> 00:46:28,895
It was about the Russians
taking testosterone.
1094
00:46:28,896 --> 00:46:30,799
So I said,
"what the hell?
1095
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,704
First chance I got, I'm gonna
do some of this." and so I did.
1096
00:46:33,705 --> 00:46:36,544
I've actually been on
anabolic steroids for 36 years.
1097
00:46:36,545 --> 00:46:39,149
Matt, Matt, Matt,
Matt, Matt, Matt!
1098
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:40,017
Up up up up up!
1099
00:46:42,422 --> 00:46:44,893
CHRIS: Is it something I
should be morally battling
1100
00:46:44,894 --> 00:46:46,562
or should I be fine
with doing it?
1101
00:46:46,563 --> 00:46:48,566
Your morals are
your morals, not mine.
1102
00:46:48,567 --> 00:46:51,771
Who am I to judge you? And
who are you to judge me?
1103
00:46:51,772 --> 00:46:54,510
You want to be strong
or you want to be weak?
1104
00:46:54,511 --> 00:46:56,146
But you can't be strong
without doing steroids?
1105
00:46:56,147 --> 00:46:57,749
You can't be
as strong as possible.
1106
00:46:57,750 --> 00:47:00,455
If you want to reach the top
you're gonna have to do it.
1107
00:47:00,456 --> 00:47:03,326
Everybody thinks anabolic
steroids is the easy way out.
1108
00:47:03,327 --> 00:47:05,630
The people that train
with anabolic steroids
1109
00:47:05,631 --> 00:47:07,468
train way harder
than people that don't.
1110
00:47:07,469 --> 00:47:09,437
Regardless of what people
think of Barry Bonds,
1111
00:47:09,438 --> 00:47:11,508
you can't take
a bottle of testosterone,
1112
00:47:11,509 --> 00:47:13,144
put on Barry's
baseball uniform
1113
00:47:13,145 --> 00:47:15,381
and make him hit
700 home runs.
1114
00:47:15,382 --> 00:47:18,287
Barry's got to go out, train
and hit the 700 home runs.
1115
00:47:18,288 --> 00:47:20,290
But what if
the scientists came up
1116
00:47:20,291 --> 00:47:22,461
with something better
than anabolic steroids?
1117
00:47:22,462 --> 00:47:25,299
You see cows, you see
immense, powerful cows,
1118
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,038
And they basically have
changed their genes.
1119
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,043
If they can change your
genes, would that be illegal?
1120
00:47:31,044 --> 00:47:33,748
What would they do then?
Just ban sports in general?
1121
00:47:33,749 --> 00:47:35,752
( chuckles )
Oh My Lord.
1122
00:47:35,753 --> 00:47:39,159
( laughing )
1123
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,765
When people see these,
is the first question
1124
00:47:42,766 --> 00:47:44,769
"how many hormones
do you pump into them?"
1125
00:47:44,770 --> 00:47:46,572
Well, it's two comments.
One would be,
1126
00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:49,143
"oh my gosh, what did you
do to that thing?"
1127
00:47:49,144 --> 00:47:51,314
And secondly, "it looks
like Arnold Schwarzenegger."
1128
00:47:51,315 --> 00:47:53,318
CHRIS: This is a
Belgian Blue Bull--
1129
00:47:53,319 --> 00:47:55,889
( moos )
1130
00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:59,963
2600 lbs, all muscle,
all natural.
1131
00:47:59,964 --> 00:48:02,467
So tell me again,
you're all natural?
1132
00:48:02,468 --> 00:48:04,438
You're not
taking anything?
1133
00:48:07,311 --> 00:48:09,280
I think you're ready
for Congress.
1134
00:48:09,281 --> 00:48:11,151
He has
a genetic mutation
1135
00:48:11,152 --> 00:48:13,421
that allows him to grow
double muscle.
1136
00:48:13,422 --> 00:48:15,191
And scientists
have figured out
1137
00:48:15,192 --> 00:48:17,495
how to genetically alter
humans the same way.
1138
00:48:17,496 --> 00:48:19,833
Dr. Lee Sweeney is
using this technology
1139
00:48:19,834 --> 00:48:21,703
to try to cure
muscular dystrophy.
1140
00:48:21,704 --> 00:48:24,174
It's obviously going to become
more and more evident
1141
00:48:24,175 --> 00:48:26,178
that what we call talent
1142
00:48:26,179 --> 00:48:28,916
is really
genetic variation.
1143
00:48:28,917 --> 00:48:31,387
There's genetic enhancement
available that might be able
1144
00:48:31,388 --> 00:48:34,193
to give you what
nature didn't give you.
1145
00:48:34,194 --> 00:48:37,699
Trying to figure out how
to do it in the safest way
1146
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:39,736
Is something that
hasn't been worked out.
1147
00:48:39,737 --> 00:48:41,740
If you find out
that it's safe,
1148
00:48:41,741 --> 00:48:43,977
would you be somebody
who would say, "hey--"?
1149
00:48:43,978 --> 00:48:45,313
Yeah, I would be
first in line.
1150
00:48:45,314 --> 00:48:46,815
'Cause it seems
like this is
1151
00:48:46,816 --> 00:48:49,621
the future of sports--
gene doping.
1152
00:48:49,622 --> 00:48:51,658
Gene doping, yeah.
I wouldn't do it.
1153
00:48:51,659 --> 00:48:53,027
( chuckles )
1154
00:48:53,028 --> 00:48:55,766
Will gene doping ruin
sports in America?
1155
00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:57,569
I don't think so.
I mean, I think
1156
00:48:57,570 --> 00:48:59,573
any time there's
a new technology
1157
00:48:59,574 --> 00:49:02,210
everyone says, "okay,
we have to stand back
1158
00:49:02,211 --> 00:49:05,116
and think about what this is
really gonna mean to society."
1159
00:49:05,117 --> 00:49:06,786
And I think
that's the debate
1160
00:49:06,787 --> 00:49:08,690
we will come to
in the coming decades.
1161
00:49:08,691 --> 00:49:11,661
TV NARRATOR: Good sportsmanship--
you know what that means?
1162
00:49:11,662 --> 00:49:14,032
Play fair.
1163
00:49:14,033 --> 00:49:16,337
CHRIS: When I was a kid
cheating was pretty clear-cut,
1164
00:49:16,338 --> 00:49:18,908
like when the million dollar
man hired the referee's
1165
00:49:18,909 --> 00:49:21,045
evil twin brother to cheat
the Hulkster out of his title.
1166
00:49:21,046 --> 00:49:23,350
COMMENTATOR: Is that Dave
Hebner or is that Dave Hebner?
1167
00:49:23,351 --> 00:49:26,351
You know, cheating in other sports
wasn't all that different.
1168
00:49:26,848 --> 00:49:30,053
was hot-scuffing the ball
with an emery board?
1169
00:49:26,852 --> 00:49:27,852
Remember when Joe Necro
1170
00:49:30,054 --> 00:49:31,889
COMMENTATOR: Something
came out of his pocket.
1171
00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:34,294
Chris: And what about when the
Patriots were playing the Dolphins
1172
00:49:34,295 --> 00:49:36,531
And they hired
an ex-con to clear
1173
00:49:36,532 --> 00:49:38,569
a spot in the snow for
the field-goal kicker?
1174
00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:40,606
You can't do that.
1175
00:49:40,607 --> 00:49:42,342
I think it's
the most unfair thing
1176
00:49:42,343 --> 00:49:43,911
that I've ever been
associated in.
1177
00:49:43,912 --> 00:49:46,717
CHRIS: Or like when Rosie
Ruiz won the Boston Marathon.
1178
00:49:46,718 --> 00:49:49,889
The mystery woman winner. We
missed her at all our checkpoints.
1179
00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:52,895
CHRIS: Why take steroids
when you can take a bus?
1180
00:49:52,896 --> 00:49:54,564
And who can forget
when Tonya Harding
1181
00:49:54,565 --> 00:49:58,071
hired a goon to take out
Nancy Kerrigan's knee?
1182
00:49:58,072 --> 00:50:00,075
Why? Why?
( sobbing )
1183
00:50:00,076 --> 00:50:02,212
I guess if you can't
beat 'em,
1184
00:50:02,213 --> 00:50:04,182
beat 'em
with a lead pipe.
1185
00:50:04,183 --> 00:50:07,021
But somehow steroids
seem kind of different.
1186
00:50:07,022 --> 00:50:09,592
I thought in undergraduate
school and in college
1187
00:50:09,593 --> 00:50:11,228
I was a pretty good
athlete.
1188
00:50:11,229 --> 00:50:14,001
But I find
myself angry,
1189
00:50:14,002 --> 00:50:16,906
angry in my gut
1190
00:50:16,907 --> 00:50:20,546
because these are the same guys
that would have taken me out,
1191
00:50:20,547 --> 00:50:22,950
taken me out
not because they had
1192
00:50:22,951 --> 00:50:25,822
more god-given
natural talent than me
1193
00:50:25,823 --> 00:50:29,730
but because they enhanced
with artificial means.
1194
00:50:29,731 --> 00:50:32,267
CHRIS: If using
steroids is cheating,
1195
00:50:32,268 --> 00:50:35,172
seems like a whole bunch of other
stuff should be cheating too.
1196
00:50:35,173 --> 00:50:38,312
Take Tiger Woods, for example.
He had Lasik eye surgery
1197
00:50:38,313 --> 00:50:41,685
and now his vision is 20/15.
That's better than perfect.
1198
00:50:41,686 --> 00:50:44,289
WOODS: My eyes are stable.
My game's a lot better.
1199
00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:46,127
I felt pretty good
coming in.
1200
00:50:46,128 --> 00:50:48,296
CHRIS: In a game that relies
so much on depth perception,
1201
00:50:48,297 --> 00:50:51,936
wouldn't superhuman vision
be a performance enhancement?
1202
00:50:51,937 --> 00:50:53,707
Then there's
cortisone shots.
1203
00:50:53,708 --> 00:50:55,978
They helped Curt Schilling
win the World Series.
1204
00:50:55,979 --> 00:50:58,014
And those are
steroids too.
1205
00:50:58,015 --> 00:51:02,055
Truth is, corticosteroids can have worse
side effects than anabolic steroids,
1206
00:51:02,056 --> 00:51:04,393
but they're used
in sports every day.
1207
00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,296
He had a 20-minute
cortisone shot
1208
00:51:06,297 --> 00:51:08,902
after Monday's match after
his back tightened up.
1209
00:51:08,903 --> 00:51:10,838
CHRIS: Here's an even
more confusing example--
1210
00:51:10,839 --> 00:51:12,508
Floyd Landis claims
1211
00:51:12,509 --> 00:51:14,678
that he did not take steroids
to win the Tour De France.
1212
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,916
LANDIS: Truth is, I
didn't use testosterone
1213
00:51:16,917 --> 00:51:18,753
like I'm accused of doing.
I didn't cheat.
1214
00:51:18,754 --> 00:51:20,957
I didn't do anything
outside of the rules.
1215
00:51:20,958 --> 00:51:24,330
I won the Tour clean
and I deserved to win.
1216
00:51:24,331 --> 00:51:25,899
I'm proud of it
and I always will be.
1217
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:29,005
CHRIS: But he did sleep in
his own altitude chamber.
1218
00:51:29,006 --> 00:51:31,009
I got my
altitude chamber
1219
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:33,114
out by the garage
these days.
1220
00:51:33,115 --> 00:51:35,485
So you made this?
1221
00:51:35,486 --> 00:51:37,387
Yeah, it's not actually
that hard to make.
1222
00:51:37,389 --> 00:51:39,960
I didn't make the pipe. I got the
pipe from some construction site.
1223
00:51:39,961 --> 00:51:41,496
They were putting in
a water main.
1224
00:51:41,497 --> 00:51:43,132
Is the result
pretty good?
1225
00:51:43,133 --> 00:51:44,467
For me it makes
a difference, yeah.
1226
00:51:44,468 --> 00:51:46,505
And how long do you
stay in here for?
1227
00:51:46,506 --> 00:51:49,310
Just sleep in there all night.
I don't know, six or seven hours.
1228
00:51:49,311 --> 00:51:51,313
Is your wife like,
"what are you doing?"
1229
00:51:51,314 --> 00:51:53,317
"I'm gonna sleep
in the chamber."
1230
00:51:53,318 --> 00:51:54,787
( laughs )
She hates it.
1231
00:51:54,788 --> 00:51:56,456
So you just climb
in there?
1232
00:51:56,457 --> 00:51:57,993
Yeah, you want
to try it out?
1233
00:51:57,994 --> 00:52:00,230
You won't have a monitor
in there, but I have it set
1234
00:52:00,231 --> 00:52:01,533
to, like,
about 13,000'.
1235
00:52:02,869 --> 00:52:04,538
( air hissing )
1236
00:52:04,539 --> 00:52:06,842
CHRIS: See, sleeping
in an altitude chamber
1237
00:52:06,843 --> 00:52:08,846
produces a lot more
red blood cells,
1238
00:52:08,847 --> 00:52:10,850
which means more oxygen
in your system,
1239
00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:14,289
which means more endurance for a
cyclist or a long-distance runner.
1240
00:52:14,290 --> 00:52:17,161
There are four ways to increase
your red blood cell count.
1241
00:52:17,162 --> 00:52:20,501
You can sleep in an
altitude chamber like Floyd
1242
00:52:20,502 --> 00:52:23,239
or you can just train at the
U.S. Olympic training center
1243
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,276
at 6,000'
in Colorado.
1244
00:52:25,277 --> 00:52:27,146
Then there's
blood doping.
1245
00:52:27,147 --> 00:52:29,684
That's when you draw your own
blood a month before the big race,
1246
00:52:29,685 --> 00:52:31,821
then re-inject it
the night before.
1247
00:52:31,822 --> 00:52:34,226
Finally, there's a drug
called E.P.O.
1248
00:52:34,227 --> 00:52:36,096
which simply
tells your body
1249
00:52:36,097 --> 00:52:37,966
to produce more
red blood cells.
1250
00:52:37,967 --> 00:52:40,303
So that's four ways to
do the exact same thing,
1251
00:52:40,304 --> 00:52:43,977
but two are allowed
and two are cheating.
1252
00:52:43,978 --> 00:52:46,248
You done yet?
1253
00:52:47,785 --> 00:52:49,754
( laughs )
1254
00:52:49,755 --> 00:52:52,727
Hey.
That's kind of weird.
1255
00:52:52,728 --> 00:52:55,298
No, it's nice, man. Once you get used
to it it's nice sleeping in there.
1256
00:52:55,299 --> 00:52:57,402
SCOTT REID: What's heartbreaking
is my eight-year-old--
1257
00:52:57,403 --> 00:52:59,338
his two favorite athletes are
Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong.
1258
00:52:59,339 --> 00:53:01,709
My four-year-old is obsessed
with Floyd Landis.
1259
00:53:01,710 --> 00:53:03,847
So what do you tell these kids?
I talk to people all the time
1260
00:53:03,848 --> 00:53:05,817
That they go, "who can
my kids believe in?"
1261
00:53:05,818 --> 00:53:07,987
And I want to tell them
is "nobody."
1262
00:53:07,988 --> 00:53:10,225
I ask not to be judged
and much less
1263
00:53:10,226 --> 00:53:12,162
to be sentenced
by anyone.
1264
00:53:12,163 --> 00:53:15,335
You can't trust anybody now because
the testing is so ineffective.
1265
00:53:15,336 --> 00:53:17,739
You don't know who's really
clean, who's really dirty.
1266
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:20,678
CHRIS: Were you taking any
sort of drugs for that race?
1267
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,682
Not what they
fined me with, no.
1268
00:53:22,683 --> 00:53:24,752
- But you were taking other stuff.
- Other stuff, yeah.
1269
00:53:24,753 --> 00:53:26,422
But isn't that
still cheating?
1270
00:53:26,423 --> 00:53:29,126
Still cheating, yeah,
like everybody else.
1271
00:53:29,127 --> 00:53:30,797
So that's how
you justify it--
1272
00:53:30,798 --> 00:53:32,399
- Everybody's cheating?
- Yes.
1273
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,303
When I interviewed Ben
Johnson he basically said,
1274
00:53:34,304 --> 00:53:36,006
"look, everybody was
on something."
1275
00:53:36,007 --> 00:53:40,448
Well, you know, Ben--
and bless his heart,
1276
00:53:40,449 --> 00:53:42,517
he's got to say
everyone was on something.
1277
00:53:42,518 --> 00:53:45,523
That's justifying
his own means.
1278
00:53:45,524 --> 00:53:47,126
So he has a problem
with you beating--
1279
00:53:47,127 --> 00:53:48,796
he has a problem--
he has a problem
1280
00:53:48,797 --> 00:53:51,234
- of, you know, me beating him.
- Yeah.
1281
00:53:51,235 --> 00:53:53,237
When we were taking
that victory stand,
1282
00:53:53,238 --> 00:53:55,341
we were on the stand
and he got the gold medal,
1283
00:53:55,342 --> 00:53:57,646
he didn't smile.
He never smiled.
1284
00:53:57,647 --> 00:53:59,383
He never celebrated.
And the thing is,
1285
00:53:59,384 --> 00:54:02,621
he couldn't really inside share
in the joy of winning. He cheated.
1286
00:54:02,622 --> 00:54:04,625
You cheat.
Everybody cheats.
1287
00:54:04,626 --> 00:54:06,295
Nobody in this world
is perfect.
1288
00:54:06,296 --> 00:54:07,965
Nobody in this life
is perfect-- nobody.
1289
00:54:07,966 --> 00:54:11,572
They know that in 1988
six Americans at least
1290
00:54:11,573 --> 00:54:13,576
tested positive in Seoul.
And they all shut up
1291
00:54:13,577 --> 00:54:16,013
because the biggest money
comes from America.
1292
00:54:16,014 --> 00:54:18,016
So who's gonna
get shafted,
1293
00:54:18,017 --> 00:54:20,020
Americans
or Ben Johnson?
1294
00:54:20,021 --> 00:54:22,992
DR. WADE EXUM: I think that Ben
Johnson was unfairly singled out.
1295
00:54:22,993 --> 00:54:25,864
I think that there's
always scapegoats.
1296
00:54:25,865 --> 00:54:29,137
Is there a lot of drug use
going on in Olympics?
1297
00:54:29,138 --> 00:54:32,276
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
1298
00:54:32,277 --> 00:54:34,880
CHRIS: Dr. Exum was the
Director of Anti-Doping
1299
00:54:34,881 --> 00:54:37,085
at the U.S. Olympic Committee
for 10 years.
1300
00:54:37,086 --> 00:54:39,790
He thought his job was
to stop drugs in sports,
1301
00:54:39,791 --> 00:54:42,295
but his bosses had
other priorities.
1302
00:54:42,296 --> 00:54:45,033
He told me that over
2000 American athletes
1303
00:54:45,034 --> 00:54:47,604
failed their drug tests,
including Carl Lewis,
1304
00:54:47,605 --> 00:54:49,441
and they were
covered up.
1305
00:54:49,442 --> 00:54:51,511
Nobody believes Carl Lewis
ever failed a drug test.
1306
00:54:51,512 --> 00:54:53,348
- Do you have any proof?
- Oh, certainly.
1307
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:56,921
We have just boxes of proof
for everything that I say.
1308
00:54:56,922 --> 00:54:58,925
There it is,
book three.
1309
00:54:58,926 --> 00:55:02,131
Here's a letter from
then Executive Director
1310
00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:04,870
Baaron Pittenger
to Mr. Lewis.
1311
00:55:04,871 --> 00:55:07,908
CHRIS: "I must confirm that the
analysis for your specimen 'B'
1312
00:55:07,909 --> 00:55:10,814
was positive for
pseudoephedrine, ephedrine,
1313
00:55:10,815 --> 00:55:13,252
And phenylpropanolee--
lamine--
1314
00:55:13,253 --> 00:55:15,355
- Is that what is is?
- Phenylpropanolamine, yeah.
1315
00:55:15,356 --> 00:55:17,125
--IOC banned stimulants.
1316
00:55:17,126 --> 00:55:20,130
By policy of the U.S.O.C.,
this finding is cause
1317
00:55:20,131 --> 00:55:22,501
for disqualification
from the Olympic team
1318
00:55:22,502 --> 00:55:25,607
to the 1988 Summer Olympic
Games in Seoul, Korea."
1319
00:55:25,608 --> 00:55:28,045
Wow.
1320
00:55:28,046 --> 00:55:29,949
This is basically
a letter that said
1321
00:55:29,950 --> 00:55:31,385
that you had failed
the test
1322
00:55:31,386 --> 00:55:34,190
and that there was a
consequence to that failure.
1323
00:55:34,191 --> 00:55:37,363
As we all know,
that didn't come about.
1324
00:55:37,364 --> 00:55:39,967
You actually received
a letter, or a call--
1325
00:55:39,968 --> 00:55:41,971
- Yes. - --that you had
failed the drug test--
1326
00:55:41,972 --> 00:55:44,074
- Right. - --because
of some stimulants?
1327
00:55:44,075 --> 00:55:45,378
Yeah, it was like
1328
00:55:45,379 --> 00:55:47,481
a cold medicine type thing,
the herbal supplement.
1329
00:55:47,482 --> 00:55:50,085
They made up this term. It
was called "inadvertent use"--
1330
00:55:50,086 --> 00:55:53,325
an athlete took something
without meaning to take it
1331
00:55:53,326 --> 00:55:56,798
or without meaning to gain
an advantage from taking it.
1332
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:58,835
Mm-hmm.
And so they made that up
1333
00:55:58,836 --> 00:56:00,672
to basically kind of
let people off the hook?
1334
00:56:00,673 --> 00:56:02,642
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
1335
00:56:02,643 --> 00:56:05,547
Carl's story is--
it's been a cold medicine;
1336
00:56:05,548 --> 00:56:08,053
it's been a tea; it's been
some kind of a nutrient.
1337
00:56:08,054 --> 00:56:10,557
- It's a stimulant. - CHRIS: So
you're saying these athletes--
1338
00:56:10,558 --> 00:56:12,995
- they know what's on the banned substance list?
- They totally know.
1339
00:56:12,996 --> 00:56:15,333
They are bombarded with
the banned substance list.
1340
00:56:15,334 --> 00:56:17,336
A lot of people say
you failed the drug test,
1341
00:56:17,337 --> 00:56:19,340
you raced against
Ben Johnson,
1342
00:56:19,341 --> 00:56:22,814
and that maybe--
maybe the gold medal
1343
00:56:22,815 --> 00:56:24,818
- should go to the guy next on the stand.
- I understand.
1344
00:56:24,819 --> 00:56:27,723
There are a lot of people that are
going to go to their graves saying,
1345
00:56:27,724 --> 00:56:29,827
"I know he did it." and you
know what? To hell with them.
1346
00:56:32,499 --> 00:56:35,236
DR. EXUM: You really cannot
fault the athlete for doing that.
1347
00:56:35,237 --> 00:56:38,776
You can't fault Carl
when Carl's belief is
1348
00:56:38,777 --> 00:56:41,915
that the system sets some rules
and that you need to follow them.
1349
00:56:41,916 --> 00:56:43,919
And they made an
exception in his case.
1350
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,058
They made an exception in
a lot of people's cases.
1351
00:56:47,059 --> 00:56:49,229
But it's the system
1352
00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:51,867
that actually teaches
athletes to think that way.
1353
00:56:51,868 --> 00:56:53,871
You know, for me
1354
00:56:53,872 --> 00:56:56,208
the whole "level playing
field" was a myth.
1355
00:56:56,209 --> 00:56:59,548
If we could not do anything
to take doping out of sports
1356
00:56:59,549 --> 00:57:02,988
then doping was
meant to be in sports.
1357
00:57:02,989 --> 00:57:06,694
The first all-drug Olympics
opened today in Bogota, Colombia.
1358
00:57:06,695 --> 00:57:09,633
Athletes are allowed to
take any substance whatsoever
1359
00:57:09,634 --> 00:57:12,204
before, after, and even
during the competition.
1360
00:57:13,909 --> 00:57:15,911
- ( screams )
- ( laughter )
1361
00:57:15,912 --> 00:57:18,215
Oh! He's pulled
his arms off!
1362
00:57:18,216 --> 00:57:21,121
He's pulled his arms off. That's got
to be disappointing to the big Russian.
1363
00:57:24,695 --> 00:57:26,698
Yeah!
1364
00:57:26,699 --> 00:57:29,870
What has made
every major sport
1365
00:57:29,871 --> 00:57:31,807
a multi-billion-dollar
entity?
1366
00:57:31,808 --> 00:57:34,212
Well, after you
distill it all down,
1367
00:57:34,213 --> 00:57:35,781
it's the desire
of the customer,
1368
00:57:35,782 --> 00:57:39,020
the fans that fill
these seats and others,
1369
00:57:39,021 --> 00:57:42,594
to see bigger-than-life people
doing bigger-than-life things.
1370
00:57:42,595 --> 00:57:45,232
CHRIS: What do you think about
athletes using steroids in sports?
1371
00:57:45,233 --> 00:57:47,403
Steroids?
I love it if they're on my team.
1372
00:57:47,404 --> 00:57:49,640
I think it's totally wrong,
totally wrong.
1373
00:57:49,641 --> 00:57:51,276
- Worst offense. Throw them out.
- It's cheating?
1374
00:57:51,277 --> 00:57:53,147
Hell yeah, it's cheating.
Are you kidding me?
1375
00:57:55,084 --> 00:57:57,688
MAN: Oh!
1376
00:57:57,689 --> 00:58:00,093
- ( man cheering )
- ( belches )
1377
00:58:00,094 --> 00:58:01,929
MAN: It all gets back to money.
1378
00:58:01,930 --> 00:58:03,699
As long as people
continue to buy
1379
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:06,738
Mark McGuire shirts,
Barry Bonds hats,
1380
00:58:06,739 --> 00:58:09,142
we're feeding
that monster.
1381
00:58:09,143 --> 00:58:11,647
You vote for the Raiders
by wearing the Raiders hat.
1382
00:58:11,648 --> 00:58:13,417
You cast your vote for
Nike with your T-shirt.
1383
00:58:13,418 --> 00:58:15,988
You know, every day when you
pick a dollar out of your pocket
1384
00:58:15,989 --> 00:58:18,159
you're voting.
And if you don't like
1385
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,498
athletes juicing up, then
don't vote to have that done.
1386
00:58:21,499 --> 00:58:23,669
Don't buy their stuff.
Don't go to the game.
1387
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:25,673
Do steroids.
Become governor.
1388
00:58:25,674 --> 00:58:27,844
Be big and strong,
no girly man.
1389
00:58:27,845 --> 00:58:30,215
- The Giants, baby!
- Whoo!
1390
00:58:30,216 --> 00:58:32,752
Shockey!
1391
00:58:32,753 --> 00:58:34,489
Whoo!
1392
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:36,259
CHRIS: Since the
steroid scandals broke
1393
00:58:36,260 --> 00:58:38,330
sports revenue has gone
through the roof.
1394
00:58:38,331 --> 00:58:41,803
People are buying more tickets,
T-shirts as souvenirs than ever.
1395
00:58:41,804 --> 00:58:44,274
So if this is what we
the people are voting for,
1396
00:58:44,275 --> 00:58:46,845
why did Congress
get involved?
1397
00:58:46,846 --> 00:58:49,083
They always tell you that
if you have a problem,
1398
00:58:49,084 --> 00:58:51,086
Talk to your
Congressman.
1399
00:58:51,087 --> 00:58:54,125
Lucky for me, my
Congressman is Henry Waxman.
1400
00:58:54,126 --> 00:58:55,928
- Hey, how are you?
- I'm fine. How are you?
1401
00:58:55,929 --> 00:58:57,465
Very nice to meet you.
Chris Bell.
1402
00:58:57,466 --> 00:58:58,834
CHRIS: He's the one who called
1403
00:58:58,835 --> 00:59:00,837
the baseball hearings
in the first place.
1404
00:59:00,838 --> 00:59:02,841
He's got to have
some answers.
1405
00:59:02,842 --> 00:59:04,845
I think it's important
1406
00:59:04,846 --> 00:59:07,616
for sports figures
1407
00:59:07,617 --> 00:59:10,054
in major league sports
1408
00:59:10,055 --> 00:59:12,058
not to be allowed
1409
00:59:12,059 --> 00:59:15,130
to use steroids
under any circumstance.
1410
00:59:15,131 --> 00:59:17,000
And for young people--
1411
00:59:17,001 --> 00:59:19,638
we certainly don't want
them to be using it.
1412
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:22,911
So the drug is
a restricted drug.
1413
00:59:22,912 --> 00:59:25,516
It's not--
there's not a--
1414
00:59:25,517 --> 00:59:28,221
Let me--
1415
00:59:28,222 --> 00:59:30,558
Brian, is it illegal
to use--?
1416
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,429
it's illegal--
it's legal
1417
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:34,098
under some circumstances.
What's--?
1418
00:59:34,099 --> 00:59:35,835
BRIAN: It's legal
with a prescription--
1419
00:59:35,836 --> 00:59:38,106
- legal with-- okay.
- --A medical prescription.
1420
00:59:38,107 --> 00:59:39,976
It's legal with
a medical prescription.
1421
00:59:39,977 --> 00:59:41,880
And the other drug
was the...
1422
00:59:41,881 --> 00:59:44,050
testosterone or just
steroids in general.
1423
00:59:44,051 --> 00:59:46,421
Well, I think that
they're also banned.
1424
00:59:46,422 --> 00:59:49,026
They're already banned
in professional sports.
1425
00:59:49,027 --> 00:59:51,297
Brian, am I right?
Speak up if I'm wrong.
1426
00:59:51,298 --> 00:59:52,466
- Yes.
- Okay.
1427
00:59:52,467 --> 00:59:54,737
Well, these products
are already banned.
1428
00:59:54,738 --> 00:59:57,842
Cigarettes
and alcohol
1429
00:59:57,843 --> 00:59:59,846
are legally
available,
1430
00:59:59,847 --> 01:00:02,651
but not if you're
under the age.
1431
01:00:02,652 --> 01:00:04,655
And I think the age
1432
01:00:04,656 --> 01:00:07,426
is 18 for both
all around the country.
1433
01:00:07,427 --> 01:00:10,599
Is it 18 or 21? I'm
getting confused. What?
1434
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,101
- BRIAN: 21.
- CHRIS: 21.
1435
01:00:12,102 --> 01:00:14,039
- Okay, so strike that.
- That's all right.
1436
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,076
President Bush allotted
1437
01:00:16,077 --> 01:00:18,514
$15 million
for steroid education.
1438
01:00:18,515 --> 01:00:20,450
Where has
that money gone?
1439
01:00:20,451 --> 01:00:23,189
Um, I don't know.
1440
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:25,660
Do you know?
1441
01:00:25,661 --> 01:00:27,163
Okay, we don't know.
( laughs )
1442
01:00:27,164 --> 01:00:30,001
- Okay.
- So...
1443
01:00:30,002 --> 01:00:32,005
JEFF TAYLOR:
It's a war on drugs
1444
01:00:32,006 --> 01:00:34,042
and Congressmen want
to be tough on drugs,
1445
01:00:34,043 --> 01:00:36,045
so they just
demonize them all.
1446
01:00:36,046 --> 01:00:38,183
And they say, "oh, our children
are being exposed to them.
1447
01:00:38,184 --> 01:00:40,187
They're gonna kill
our children."
1448
01:00:40,188 --> 01:00:42,625
And they just paint
everything in black and white.
1449
01:00:42,626 --> 01:00:44,896
And they really don't
see the areas in between.
1450
01:00:44,897 --> 01:00:47,100
For those of us
who live in the grey areas
1451
01:00:47,101 --> 01:00:48,936
and whose life
depends on it.
1452
01:00:48,937 --> 01:00:50,538
It's a very
important issue.
1453
01:00:50,539 --> 01:00:52,743
Politicians
are always looking
1454
01:00:52,744 --> 01:00:54,780
for an issue
to get behind.
1455
01:00:54,781 --> 01:00:56,617
They're always looking
for something
1456
01:00:56,618 --> 01:00:58,453
to be able to say
to the public,
1457
01:00:58,454 --> 01:01:00,324
"hey, look at what
my legislation's doing.
1458
01:01:00,325 --> 01:01:01,693
Look at what
my bill has done.
1459
01:01:01,694 --> 01:01:04,564
I'm out there.
I'm protecting you.
1460
01:01:04,565 --> 01:01:06,635
I'm protecting
the children."
1461
01:01:06,636 --> 01:01:08,739
CHRIS: Turns out the
most important witness
1462
01:01:08,740 --> 01:01:11,578
at the baseball hearings
was not a famous athlete.
1463
01:01:11,579 --> 01:01:14,050
Taylor Hooton was
a 17-year-old kid
1464
01:01:14,051 --> 01:01:17,489
who committed suicide and
his father blamed steroids.
1465
01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:20,395
I believe
the poor example
1466
01:01:20,396 --> 01:01:22,733
being set
by professional athletes
1467
01:01:22,734 --> 01:01:25,204
is a major catalyst
fueling
1468
01:01:25,205 --> 01:01:27,575
the high usage of steroids
amongst our kids.
1469
01:01:27,576 --> 01:01:29,812
And parents
across America
1470
01:01:29,813 --> 01:01:32,149
should hold you
accountable
1471
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:34,554
for behavior
that inspires our kids
1472
01:01:34,555 --> 01:01:36,958
to do things that put
their health at risk
1473
01:01:36,959 --> 01:01:38,962
and that teaches them
that the ethics
1474
01:01:38,963 --> 01:01:41,467
we try to teach them
around our kitchen table
1475
01:01:41,468 --> 01:01:43,938
somehow don't apply
to them.
1476
01:01:43,939 --> 01:01:45,942
Please help us to see
1477
01:01:45,943 --> 01:01:48,613
that our children's lives
were not lost in vain.
1478
01:01:48,614 --> 01:01:51,352
You have the power
to do something about it
1479
01:01:51,353 --> 01:01:54,190
and we're counting
on you to do so.
1480
01:01:54,191 --> 01:01:55,926
JOHN SWEENEY:
Donald Hooton coming in
1481
01:01:55,927 --> 01:01:57,664
and putting
a human face on it
1482
01:01:57,665 --> 01:02:01,137
was more powerful
than the scientific--
1483
01:02:01,138 --> 01:02:03,441
the statistics
or any of that stuff.
1484
01:02:03,442 --> 01:02:06,112
CHRIS: On average,
5,000 kids a year
1485
01:02:06,113 --> 01:02:08,150
commit suicide
in America.
1486
01:02:08,151 --> 01:02:10,821
And most parents
never know exactly why.
1487
01:02:10,822 --> 01:02:13,159
I wanted to find out why
Donald Hooton is so sure
1488
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,763
that the answer could
be as simple as steroids.
1489
01:02:23,713 --> 01:02:25,214
- How are you doing?
- Fine.
1490
01:02:25,215 --> 01:02:27,318
- Chris Henry.
- Don Hooton. Nice to meet you.
1491
01:02:27,319 --> 01:02:30,623
This is a very very
competitive community
1492
01:02:30,624 --> 01:02:33,096
all the way from
athletics to business.
1493
01:02:33,097 --> 01:02:36,334
So you wind up
in an affluent area
1494
01:02:36,335 --> 01:02:39,640
where these kids can afford
to play with this stuff.
1495
01:02:39,641 --> 01:02:41,978
And of course in
hindsight as we look back,
1496
01:02:41,979 --> 01:02:44,082
all of the signs were
staring us in the face--
1497
01:02:44,083 --> 01:02:46,654
The behavior problems,
the physical changes,
1498
01:02:46,655 --> 01:02:48,924
but we had no idea
what we were looking at.
1499
01:02:48,925 --> 01:02:50,894
If we go back
to the medical textbook,
1500
01:02:50,895 --> 01:02:53,800
the depression that comes
along with steroid use is bad,
1501
01:02:53,801 --> 01:02:57,140
but it's worse in that
four-to-six-week period
1502
01:02:57,141 --> 01:02:59,644
following stopping
using this stuff.
1503
01:02:59,645 --> 01:03:01,915
And it was
during that period
1504
01:03:01,916 --> 01:03:03,918
that his mother
found him
1505
01:03:03,919 --> 01:03:06,423
hanging on the door
in his bedroom.
1506
01:03:06,424 --> 01:03:07,759
Jeez.
1507
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,762
Taylor Hooton's dad,
Don Hooton,
1508
01:03:09,763 --> 01:03:12,968
called me shortly after
1509
01:03:12,969 --> 01:03:15,540
Taylor had taken
his life.
1510
01:03:15,541 --> 01:03:18,244
Together we came up
with the idea
1511
01:03:18,245 --> 01:03:20,349
of creating
a private organization...
1512
01:03:20,350 --> 01:03:22,319
...to educate
the public
1513
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,322
about the dangers
1514
01:03:24,323 --> 01:03:26,626
of anabolic steroid abuse.
1515
01:03:26,627 --> 01:03:28,497
This is Taylor's room.
1516
01:03:28,498 --> 01:03:30,334
You don't have to come
in here long to realize
1517
01:03:30,335 --> 01:03:32,003
Taylor was
a baseball player.
1518
01:03:32,004 --> 01:03:36,044
'Cause he started maybe
five years old in T-ball.
1519
01:03:36,045 --> 01:03:40,085
But Taylor was
a great kid.
1520
01:03:40,086 --> 01:03:42,356
We took Taylor
to a psychiatrist
1521
01:03:42,357 --> 01:03:45,294
and she put him on
a low dose of Lexapro.
1522
01:03:45,295 --> 01:03:47,766
And as far as I know,
1523
01:03:47,767 --> 01:03:50,404
this is the only
steroid-related case
1524
01:03:50,405 --> 01:03:54,178
that this well-meaning
psychiatrist had ever had.
1525
01:03:54,179 --> 01:03:57,851
And when the psychiatrist
recommended that Taylor go cold turkey
1526
01:03:57,852 --> 01:04:00,189
and stop using steroids...
1527
01:04:02,226 --> 01:04:04,396
it was a formula
for disaster.
1528
01:04:04,397 --> 01:04:06,734
I feel terrible, obviously,
about Taylor Hooton,
1529
01:04:06,735 --> 01:04:09,105
But Taylor Hooton had
a lot of problems
1530
01:04:09,106 --> 01:04:11,109
and he was on other drugs.
1531
01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:13,112
According to some
newspaper accounts,
1532
01:04:13,113 --> 01:04:15,717
he was on S.S.R.I.S--
antidepressants
1533
01:04:15,718 --> 01:04:17,720
which have been shown
to be associated
1534
01:04:17,721 --> 01:04:20,626
with suicidal ideation
and suicidal behavior.
1535
01:04:20,627 --> 01:04:23,531
So whether his suicide
was due to Lexapro
1536
01:04:23,532 --> 01:04:25,669
or due to steroids
or due to depression
1537
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:28,006
or due to stress
of being a great athlete,
1538
01:04:28,007 --> 01:04:30,177
there are five other
things-- I don't know.
1539
01:04:30,178 --> 01:04:32,315
Do you think
that perhaps--
1540
01:04:32,316 --> 01:04:35,120
when I look
at your website,
1541
01:04:35,121 --> 01:04:37,924
The Taylor Hooton
Foundation--
1542
01:04:37,925 --> 01:04:40,329
do you think
it's a responsibility
1543
01:04:40,330 --> 01:04:44,136
to include
antidepressants in there
1544
01:04:44,137 --> 01:04:46,140
just in case
there are critics
1545
01:04:46,141 --> 01:04:48,144
or just to raise
the awareness
1546
01:04:48,145 --> 01:04:50,882
of how dangerous perhaps
antidepressants may be?
1547
01:04:50,883 --> 01:04:52,886
No, I don't.
And the reason is,
1548
01:04:52,887 --> 01:04:56,024
our battle is not with antidepressants.
Our battle's with steroids.
1549
01:04:56,025 --> 01:04:58,963
The National Institute
on Drug Abuse said
1550
01:04:58,964 --> 01:05:00,967
the dangers
of anabolic steroids
1551
01:05:00,968 --> 01:05:03,439
are temporary
and reversible.
1552
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,442
My son is dead.
1553
01:05:07,747 --> 01:05:11,286
All of the intellectual
arguments
1554
01:05:11,287 --> 01:05:12,755
about whether or not
1555
01:05:12,756 --> 01:05:16,328
steroids are dangerous
or not
1556
01:05:16,329 --> 01:05:18,332
don't matter to me.
1557
01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:20,269
I know
they're dangerous.
1558
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:23,576
I saw it with my own eyes
and I watched my son die.
1559
01:05:23,577 --> 01:05:26,247
The only evidence I need
is the pictures of my son
1560
01:05:26,248 --> 01:05:28,250
that are on the wall
behind you.
1561
01:05:28,251 --> 01:05:29,152
Mm-hmm.
1562
01:05:32,025 --> 01:05:33,994
JOHN ROMANO:
Look, I have a son too.
1563
01:05:33,995 --> 01:05:36,666
And the last thing in the
world I could ever imagine doing
1564
01:05:36,667 --> 01:05:38,603
is burying that kid.
And it would probably
1565
01:05:38,604 --> 01:05:40,373
ruin me for the rest
of my life.
1566
01:05:40,374 --> 01:05:42,543
And I can see
where having a cause
1567
01:05:42,544 --> 01:05:45,282
to sort of assuage
the feelings of guilt
1568
01:05:45,283 --> 01:05:48,354
and depression that are
following my son's death
1569
01:05:48,355 --> 01:05:51,527
would probably be helpful. "Let's
not let this happen to somebody else."
1570
01:05:51,528 --> 01:05:53,998
But they're chasing
the wrong thing.
1571
01:05:53,999 --> 01:05:55,567
They're not
doing it right.
1572
01:05:55,568 --> 01:05:57,571
We're working
with major league baseball
1573
01:05:57,572 --> 01:05:59,575
to make that happen now
1574
01:05:59,576 --> 01:06:02,146
where hopefully
in each local stadium
1575
01:06:02,147 --> 01:06:04,584
there's gonna be
a steroid awareness night.
1576
01:06:04,585 --> 01:06:06,588
Do you find it
ironic at all
1577
01:06:06,589 --> 01:06:09,627
to have a steroid
awareness night for baseball
1578
01:06:09,628 --> 01:06:11,598
in a stadium
that sells alcohol
1579
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,969
which is responsible for
a lot of deaths as a drug?
1580
01:06:16,274 --> 01:06:18,109
Alcohol's legal to sell.
1581
01:06:18,110 --> 01:06:20,113
And we can argue
all day long
1582
01:06:20,114 --> 01:06:24,187
Whether tobacco kills
and whether alcohol kills,
1583
01:06:24,188 --> 01:06:26,191
and there's a clear
distinction in my mind
1584
01:06:26,192 --> 01:06:28,963
between tobacco
or alcohol
1585
01:06:28,964 --> 01:06:32,369
and steroids and
methamphetamines and coke.
1586
01:06:32,370 --> 01:06:34,139
- Thanks for sharing that with us.
- All right.
1587
01:06:34,140 --> 01:06:36,042
I know how hard
it can be and everything.
1588
01:06:36,043 --> 01:06:37,144
This is
important stuff.
1589
01:06:40,685 --> 01:06:42,688
( marching band playing,
cheerleaders cheering )
1590
01:06:52,607 --> 01:06:54,977
MARK: Anybody who
asks me about it--
1591
01:06:54,978 --> 01:06:56,814
I let them know.
I tell them why.
1592
01:06:56,815 --> 01:06:59,719
I tell them how much I
take. I'll tell them anything
1593
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,725
- they want to ask me about them
'cause I think-- - What about the kids?
1594
01:07:02,726 --> 01:07:05,564
The kids are different
because--
1595
01:07:05,565 --> 01:07:08,201
a couple kids asked me in
front of the whole group
1596
01:07:08,202 --> 01:07:09,805
and I had to lie
about it
1597
01:07:09,806 --> 01:07:12,310
because this whole steroid
thing is just out of hand.
1598
01:07:12,311 --> 01:07:14,414
I know coach Henry
doesn't take any steroids.
1599
01:07:14,415 --> 01:07:16,517
He's just 100% strong.
1600
01:07:16,518 --> 01:07:19,055
I think somebody asked
him if he was on steroids
1601
01:07:19,056 --> 01:07:21,794
and he said no. And I
completely believe him.
1602
01:07:21,795 --> 01:07:23,897
He just teaches that
steroids are basically--
1603
01:07:23,898 --> 01:07:25,734
they're a cheap way
out of doing hard work.
1604
01:07:25,735 --> 01:07:28,105
MARK: I say they're not for kids.
1605
01:07:28,106 --> 01:07:31,077
Steroids are not for kids.
That's plain and simple.
1606
01:07:31,078 --> 01:07:33,181
You should achieve
things naturally
1607
01:07:33,182 --> 01:07:35,151
and then maybe you
should think about them
1608
01:07:35,152 --> 01:07:36,754
when you're
an adult.
1609
01:07:36,755 --> 01:07:38,758
The main reason why
I don't take steroids
1610
01:07:38,759 --> 01:07:41,263
is 'cause he got it into my
head that I don't need 'em,
1611
01:07:41,264 --> 01:07:44,669
that I got the potential right now as
a teenager to get as strong as I want.
1612
01:07:44,670 --> 01:07:47,307
MARK: What good would it do them
to know that I take steroids?
1613
01:07:47,308 --> 01:07:49,711
It wouldn't do them any
good. They'd just be like,
1614
01:07:49,712 --> 01:07:52,082
"oh, man,
he's a cheater.
1615
01:07:52,083 --> 01:07:53,953
Would you ever tell our
parents that you do it?
1616
01:07:53,954 --> 01:07:57,526
Um, I mean, you know,
1617
01:07:57,527 --> 01:07:59,529
if they asked me.
1618
01:07:59,530 --> 01:08:02,468
I only cooked
two pounds.
1619
01:08:02,469 --> 01:08:05,173
I hope it's enough.
1620
01:08:05,174 --> 01:08:07,511
CHRIS: You know, we went
to church all the time.
1621
01:08:07,512 --> 01:08:09,415
I grew up
in a great family.
1622
01:08:09,416 --> 01:08:11,418
I don't think
I could ask
1623
01:08:11,419 --> 01:08:13,822
for anybody better
to be parents, you know.
1624
01:08:13,823 --> 01:08:18,364
And when I went
to the U.S.C.
1625
01:08:18,365 --> 01:08:20,435
I didn't do any drugs.
I didn't do anything.
1626
01:08:20,436 --> 01:08:22,739
- 'Cause you're a good boy.
- Well...
1627
01:08:22,740 --> 01:08:25,277
And then I got to a point
where I actually tried steroids.
1628
01:08:25,278 --> 01:08:27,915
I tried Winstrol,
which is injections.
1629
01:08:27,916 --> 01:08:30,152
You injected a needle
in yourself?
1630
01:08:30,153 --> 01:08:31,722
MIKE: It's just
in the muscle.
1631
01:08:31,723 --> 01:08:33,425
Yeah, 'cause you get to
a point where you're like,
1632
01:08:33,426 --> 01:08:35,630
"I'm getting out of shape.
I don't feel like I used to."
1633
01:08:35,631 --> 01:08:37,633
The reason I stopped
doing it was
1634
01:08:37,634 --> 01:08:40,004
because I thought
it was immoral.
1635
01:08:40,005 --> 01:08:42,475
I thought it was so wrong
and like,
1636
01:08:42,476 --> 01:08:44,679
"what if my parents
found out I did this?"
1637
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,516
I think it's really
hard to hear
1638
01:08:46,517 --> 01:08:49,655
- that you tried 'em and everything, but--
- For you.
1639
01:08:49,656 --> 01:08:51,125
It's not hard
for me.
1640
01:08:51,126 --> 01:08:54,363
What I'm saying is
that it's hard to hear.
1641
01:08:54,364 --> 01:08:56,367
And what about mark?
I mean,
1642
01:08:56,368 --> 01:08:58,938
how come you're staying big
but you're not getting fat?
1643
01:08:58,939 --> 01:09:01,410
- You're just--
- I'm getting fatter.
1644
01:09:01,411 --> 01:09:03,347
No, but your face
is rounder.
1645
01:09:03,348 --> 01:09:05,518
- I put on body fat.
- MIKE: He's about--
1646
01:09:05,519 --> 01:09:08,289
You're about 7% or 8% higher than what
you normally are, wouldn't you say?
1647
01:09:08,290 --> 01:09:09,992
I have no idea. I don't
really care either.
1648
01:09:09,993 --> 01:09:11,662
CHRIS: He's already
married. He doesn't care.
1649
01:09:11,663 --> 01:09:13,933
ROSEMARY: Except Smelly's
not saying anything.
1650
01:09:13,934 --> 01:09:16,571
Don't let your brothers
overrun your conversation.
1651
01:09:18,876 --> 01:09:21,146
SHELDON: When you get
caught with something
1652
01:09:21,147 --> 01:09:24,486
I think the truth is
always the fastest way
1653
01:09:24,487 --> 01:09:26,189
out of the situation,
1654
01:09:26,190 --> 01:09:28,393
but it's not always
the best way out.
1655
01:09:28,394 --> 01:09:30,630
You know, she's concerned.
She's being a mom
1656
01:09:30,631 --> 01:09:35,005
and she's just trying
to leave it open
1657
01:09:35,006 --> 01:09:37,342
where I could say, "Yeah,
you know what? I do 'em.
1658
01:09:37,343 --> 01:09:40,515
And this is why." I think
that's what she's looking for.
1659
01:09:40,516 --> 01:09:43,053
But she's still
never directly asked me.
1660
01:09:43,054 --> 01:09:46,092
So until that time comes
I ain't sayin' nothin'.
1661
01:09:46,093 --> 01:09:47,862
( chuckles )
1662
01:09:47,863 --> 01:09:50,667
SHELDON: People have a
tendency to cheat at everything.
1663
01:09:50,668 --> 01:09:52,670
And that happens
with taxes too,
1664
01:09:52,671 --> 01:09:55,510
just like it could with
steroids or any other thing.
1665
01:09:55,511 --> 01:10:00,117
It's human nature.
It's the sinful nature of men.
1666
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:01,888
CHRIS: My dad convinced
mad dog and his wife
1667
01:10:01,889 --> 01:10:04,025
To settle down
in Poughkeepsie.
1668
01:10:04,026 --> 01:10:06,797
And he's been doing income taxes for
the same guys he used to wrestle with.
1669
01:10:06,798 --> 01:10:09,268
I keep a couple things
around, not too much.
1670
01:10:09,269 --> 01:10:11,238
Big john.
John always keeps it real.
1671
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:14,143
This just says "To Mad
Dog. Thanks for everything."
1672
01:10:14,144 --> 01:10:17,416
CHRIS: Not exactly how he
thought his life would turn out.
1673
01:10:17,417 --> 01:10:19,152
MIKE: I get up, I go to the office,
1674
01:10:19,153 --> 01:10:21,290
you know, I make money for
them, I make money for me.
1675
01:10:21,291 --> 01:10:23,794
I got a great wife.
I got a great family.
1676
01:10:23,795 --> 01:10:25,798
But I wanted to be
a famous wrestler
1677
01:10:25,799 --> 01:10:28,203
and, you know,
I wanted to live the life.
1678
01:10:28,204 --> 01:10:30,774
I wanted to be on the road,
travel, meeting people,
1679
01:10:30,775 --> 01:10:32,778
Making money,
having fun--
1680
01:10:32,779 --> 01:10:34,647
you know,
living the life.
1681
01:10:34,648 --> 01:10:36,585
SHELDON: He'll break
down and he'll be crying
1682
01:10:36,586 --> 01:10:38,555
and he'll say, like,
"dad, the biggest fear
1683
01:10:38,556 --> 01:10:40,558
I ever had in my life
was being average Joe.
1684
01:10:40,559 --> 01:10:42,929
And I'm 36 years old and that's
all I can see for myself."
1685
01:10:42,930 --> 01:10:44,299
CHRIS: What do you want to do now?
1686
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:46,737
Where do you see
yourself going?
1687
01:10:46,738 --> 01:10:50,477
I mean, you know, the immediate
goal was to get out of Poughkeepsie,
1688
01:10:50,478 --> 01:10:53,716
move to California,
establish my name
1689
01:10:53,717 --> 01:10:57,857
and then start my own
business eventually.
1690
01:10:57,858 --> 01:11:00,229
Seemed like he was making
good progress, okay?
1691
01:11:00,230 --> 01:11:01,765
But he wasn't making
any progress.
1692
01:11:01,766 --> 01:11:03,436
I told him the other night, I said,
1693
01:11:03,437 --> 01:11:05,807
"you might be fooling
everybody else,
1694
01:11:05,808 --> 01:11:07,509
but you're not
fooling me.
1695
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:09,680
You're full of shit.
You're still on stuff."
1696
01:11:09,681 --> 01:11:11,851
Why do you think he
would tell us about it?
1697
01:11:11,852 --> 01:11:14,522
He tells me everything else,
you know, that he's doing.
1698
01:11:14,523 --> 01:11:16,526
I think he's
partially embarrassed
1699
01:11:16,527 --> 01:11:19,631
and I think he's--
1700
01:11:19,632 --> 01:11:21,969
that's part of
addictive behavior.
1701
01:11:21,970 --> 01:11:25,342
His thing is this-- "I'm gonna be
fine as soon as I'm out of here.
1702
01:11:25,343 --> 01:11:28,280
I'm gonna go live in California.
My life is gonna be perfect."
1703
01:11:28,281 --> 01:11:31,854
But if he really believes that--
no, he's not gonna be fine at all.
1704
01:11:31,855 --> 01:11:34,593
You know who I feel bad
for? I feel bad for Nadine.
1705
01:11:34,594 --> 01:11:36,662
'Cause here's a young
girl who's married,
1706
01:11:36,663 --> 01:11:39,702
whose hopes and dreams
and life
1707
01:11:39,703 --> 01:11:42,640
is in him,
and he's a screw-up.
1708
01:11:42,641 --> 01:11:46,046
And if he ends up overdosing
and killing himself
1709
01:11:46,047 --> 01:11:48,819
or if he ends up on the rocks,
he's taking her with him.
1710
01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:51,690
I'm not moving out there
with the hopes and dreams of--
1711
01:11:51,691 --> 01:11:54,095
I'm not gonna wait tables and
hope I'm gonna be an actor.
1712
01:11:54,096 --> 01:11:55,865
I already did that--
15 years of wrestling.
1713
01:11:55,866 --> 01:11:57,234
You think
you'll get noticed?
1714
01:11:57,235 --> 01:11:59,271
I'm not moving out
to get noticed,
1715
01:11:59,272 --> 01:12:01,308
but you're never gonna get
noticed in Poughkeepsie.
1716
01:12:01,309 --> 01:12:03,746
In Hollywood you're walking down
the street, somebody sees you--
1717
01:12:03,747 --> 01:12:05,716
"hey, you got a minute?"
you just never know.
1718
01:12:05,717 --> 01:12:07,720
You don't think
there's any way
1719
01:12:07,721 --> 01:12:09,723
he can get past it?
1720
01:12:09,724 --> 01:12:11,961
A miracle.
1721
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:16,970
I'm serious.
1722
01:12:16,971 --> 01:12:19,475
I think they're gonna
find him dead someday.
1723
01:12:19,476 --> 01:12:23,014
I thought bringing up boys--
this is easy.
1724
01:12:23,015 --> 01:12:25,787
At least I don't have
a daughter who's, like,
1725
01:12:25,788 --> 01:12:27,890
got her face in the bowl
throwing up.
1726
01:12:27,891 --> 01:12:30,996
You know, did I--
did I do something
1727
01:12:30,997 --> 01:12:33,000
as a mother
1728
01:12:33,001 --> 01:12:35,538
To make you feel,
1729
01:12:35,539 --> 01:12:37,274
like, not good enough?
1730
01:12:37,275 --> 01:12:40,280
When Mike went off to college
and he calls your father up
1731
01:12:40,281 --> 01:12:41,749
and says,
"can I try steroids?"
1732
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:45,389
"No, you're not getting
money to try steroids."
1733
01:12:45,390 --> 01:12:50,131
You know, we both thought
that was a crazy thing, so--
1734
01:12:50,132 --> 01:12:52,269
but do you know where he
ended up getting 'em from?
1735
01:12:52,270 --> 01:12:55,174
- No, but I wasn't gonna-- - He
got 'em from your brother John.
1736
01:12:55,175 --> 01:12:56,577
No--
1737
01:12:58,949 --> 01:13:01,352
So that's-- I mean, it's
something that's like,
1738
01:13:01,353 --> 01:13:03,355
you know,
in our family.
1739
01:13:03,356 --> 01:13:05,359
I mean, it's something
that, like--
1740
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,864
Chris, you're already
killing me with this as it is.
1741
01:13:07,865 --> 01:13:09,768
- Well, I'm telling--
- It just gets worse.
1742
01:13:09,769 --> 01:13:11,437
I'm just telling you
the truth.
1743
01:13:11,438 --> 01:13:14,175
I'm just trying to tell
you how I feel as a mother.
1744
01:13:14,176 --> 01:13:16,780
I am broken
to my soul.
1745
01:13:16,781 --> 01:13:18,450
My heart is broken.
1746
01:13:20,154 --> 01:13:22,157
When you were growing up
Hulk Hogan--
1747
01:13:22,158 --> 01:13:24,228
look what he's saying.
"take your vitamins,
1748
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:26,432
say your prayers--"
and what?
1749
01:13:26,433 --> 01:13:28,735
- "believe in yourself."
- Yeah, but it's not true.
1750
01:13:28,736 --> 01:13:31,474
- So I started working out.
- "Take your steroids," okay?
1751
01:13:31,475 --> 01:13:33,912
I don't know if he
ever prays or not.
1752
01:13:33,913 --> 01:13:37,819
Never heard him talk about
god in his whole life, okay?
1753
01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:39,823
Now that time
has gone by,
1754
01:13:39,824 --> 01:13:41,726
I'm like,
"is this guy a fraud?"
1755
01:13:41,727 --> 01:13:44,265
And that's where I think
that everybody needs
1756
01:13:44,266 --> 01:13:47,303
to begin to accept--
"I am who I am,"
1757
01:13:47,304 --> 01:13:49,274
said Popeye
the sailor man.
1758
01:13:49,275 --> 01:13:51,310
He even was a gyp.
1759
01:13:51,311 --> 01:13:53,916
- He had to take spinach.
- He had to take spinach.
1760
01:13:53,917 --> 01:13:56,420
Everybody needs something.
I mean, what's up with that?
1761
01:13:56,421 --> 01:13:59,292
If I just accept who I am right
now, isn't that just giving up?
1762
01:13:59,293 --> 01:14:01,563
No, accept who you are
as a person.
1763
01:14:01,564 --> 01:14:03,733
Then your body image
is something different.
1764
01:14:03,734 --> 01:14:06,238
Do you think a fat person
hasn't tried everything
1765
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,909
that's legal? But I'm
not gonna cross the line.
1766
01:14:08,910 --> 01:14:12,182
The Bible lays everything out
about how to live your life.
1767
01:14:12,183 --> 01:14:14,420
- But the bible can't solve all your problems.
- It can.
1768
01:14:14,421 --> 01:14:17,325
I can't pray to look like Arnold
Schwarzenegger. It's not gonna happen.
1769
01:14:17,326 --> 01:14:19,963
No, you can't pray to look
like Arnold Schwarzenegger,
1770
01:14:19,964 --> 01:14:21,967
but neither can you
take enough steroids
1771
01:14:21,968 --> 01:14:24,906
or enough human growth hormone
to look like him either.
1772
01:14:24,907 --> 01:14:27,310
- But you can get as close as you can.
- It's not gonna happen.
1773
01:14:27,311 --> 01:14:30,048
You're fearfully
and wonderfully made.
1774
01:14:30,049 --> 01:14:33,588
Every sinew in your body,
every muscle, every fiber
1775
01:14:33,589 --> 01:14:35,993
was made by god.
And you're exactly
1776
01:14:35,994 --> 01:14:37,997
who he intended you
to be.
1777
01:14:37,998 --> 01:14:41,135
And so what? To somebody
with a six-pack of abs.
1778
01:14:41,136 --> 01:14:43,139
Maybe they don't have
what you have.
1779
01:14:43,140 --> 01:14:46,279
I mean, you know, why don't
you ever think that way too?
1780
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,517
What I don't get is
why did our boys
1781
01:14:49,518 --> 01:14:52,556
Not feel that they were
good enough?
1782
01:14:55,696 --> 01:14:59,001
My father or my grandfather
1783
01:14:59,002 --> 01:15:00,972
never worried about
1784
01:15:00,973 --> 01:15:02,976
whether they had a six-pack
of abdominals
1785
01:15:02,977 --> 01:15:05,447
or what percentage
of body fat they had.
1786
01:15:05,448 --> 01:15:09,521
So why is it now
in the 21st century
1787
01:15:09,522 --> 01:15:11,658
that there's this
huge preoccupation
1788
01:15:11,659 --> 01:15:13,796
with body image that
just didn't exist before?
1789
01:15:13,797 --> 01:15:16,500
CHRIS: Dr. Harrison
pope is a psychiatrist
1790
01:15:16,501 --> 01:15:20,040
who studies why American men are
becoming more obsessed with their bodies.
1791
01:15:20,041 --> 01:15:22,845
So here
we have G.I. Joe
1792
01:15:22,846 --> 01:15:25,149
from the 1960s.
1793
01:15:25,150 --> 01:15:27,854
This is when he first came out
at the time of the Vietnam war.
1794
01:15:27,855 --> 01:15:29,992
He's a perfectly
normal-looking dude.
1795
01:15:29,993 --> 01:15:33,431
Here is G.I. Joe
from about 10 years later,
1796
01:15:33,432 --> 01:15:35,268
- from the mid-1970s.
- He's got abs now.
1797
01:15:35,269 --> 01:15:37,873
He's clearly been putting
in some time in the gym.
1798
01:15:37,874 --> 01:15:41,713
- And then here is G.I. Joe from the 1990s.
- Oh, jeez.
1799
01:15:41,714 --> 01:15:44,551
The bicep is
up to 16" or so,
1800
01:15:44,552 --> 01:15:46,589
full six-pack of abs,
1801
01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:48,826
even got serratus muscles
visible on the side.
1802
01:15:48,827 --> 01:15:50,830
This evolution
in the action figures
1803
01:15:50,831 --> 01:15:53,069
is a testimony
1804
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:55,740
to this increased
preoccupation with body image
1805
01:15:55,741 --> 01:15:57,844
that we've been seeing
in the United States.
1806
01:15:57,845 --> 01:16:00,215
And it's funny
that in our culture
1807
01:16:00,216 --> 01:16:03,154
we still tend
to romanticize
1808
01:16:03,155 --> 01:16:05,158
steroids
to a certain way--
1809
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:08,296
That you'll see an ad
for an S.U.V. that says,
1810
01:16:08,297 --> 01:16:10,734
"this is our sedan
on steroids."
1811
01:16:10,735 --> 01:16:12,805
But you wouldn't see an
ad for an S.U.V. saying,
1812
01:16:12,806 --> 01:16:14,709
"this is our sedan
on cocaine."
1813
01:16:14,710 --> 01:16:17,780
REPORTER: Well, it's sort of
like a golf cart on steroids.
1814
01:16:17,781 --> 01:16:20,553
It looked like an
easy-bake oven on steroids.
1815
01:16:20,554 --> 01:16:22,422
It's sort of
the economy on steroids.
1816
01:16:22,423 --> 01:16:24,193
Think of it as Apollo
on steroids.
1817
01:16:24,194 --> 01:16:26,797
This year the jet stream
has really been on steroids.
1818
01:16:26,798 --> 01:16:30,404
Kosovo would be
Bosnia on steroids.
1819
01:16:30,405 --> 01:16:32,608
MAN: Adding more U.S.
trainers and advisors,
1820
01:16:32,609 --> 01:16:35,313
essentially putting the
current strategy on steroids.
1821
01:16:35,314 --> 01:16:38,218
We are besieged
every day
1822
01:16:38,219 --> 01:16:42,292
with images of muscular
male bodies on T.V.,
1823
01:16:42,293 --> 01:16:44,764
in the movies, in cartoons,
on magazines
1824
01:16:44,047 --> 01:16:46,672
at the checkout counter
in the department store,
1825
01:16:46,673 --> 01:16:49,632
all of which seem
to give this message
1826
01:16:50,933 --> 01:16:53,893
that a real man
is big and muscular.
1827
01:16:59,941 --> 01:17:01,733
There you go.
Just like that.
1828
01:17:01,734 --> 01:17:04,318
Good. Give me some good
abs, Christian. That's it.
1829
01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:06,404
I saw "Conan the Barbarian"
when I was 11.
1830
01:17:06,405 --> 01:17:09,281
And at that moment I said,
"that's exactly what I want to do."
1831
01:17:09,282 --> 01:17:11,699
And I started to study
Arnold and his achievements.
1832
01:17:11,701 --> 01:17:13,702
So I started training
with weights when I was 14.
1833
01:17:13,703 --> 01:17:15,412
I started taking
steroids when I was 16.
1834
01:17:15,413 --> 01:17:17,496
So you're advertising
a supplement.
1835
01:17:17,498 --> 01:17:19,624
So a guy like me goes
and looks in the magazine
1836
01:17:19,625 --> 01:17:21,792
and I see Christian Boeving
and I'm like, "wow, man,
1837
01:17:21,793 --> 01:17:23,961
I wanna look like that guy."
so I go and take
1838
01:17:23,962 --> 01:17:26,088
Hydroxycut
or some supplement
1839
01:17:26,089 --> 01:17:28,674
because I think that
I'm gonna look like you.
1840
01:17:28,675 --> 01:17:30,967
But what I don't know is
that you were taking steroids.
1841
01:17:30,969 --> 01:17:32,927
Do you have
any problem with that?
1842
01:17:34,554 --> 01:17:36,513
That's a double-edged
sword, my friend.
1843
01:17:36,514 --> 01:17:38,474
How to answer this?
1844
01:17:38,475 --> 01:17:40,475
Somebody looks at an ad
with me in it
1845
01:17:40,476 --> 01:17:42,769
and says, "Christian
Boeving takes Hydroxycut,"
1846
01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:44,771
Which I did
and I do.
1847
01:17:44,772 --> 01:17:47,314
That doesn't necessarily mean
that I don't take something else.
1848
01:17:47,316 --> 01:17:49,108
If they choose
to believe
1849
01:17:49,109 --> 01:17:51,485
that that's the only thing
I'm taking to look like that,
1850
01:17:51,486 --> 01:17:53,445
then so be it. They should
be smarter than that.
1851
01:17:53,446 --> 01:17:55,990
Is it misleading?
Possibly a little bit, yeah.
1852
01:17:55,991 --> 01:17:59,076
But is it a lie?
Absolutely not.
1853
01:17:59,077 --> 01:18:01,494
I'd say probably 80% to
90%-- I'm not kidding you--
1854
01:18:01,495 --> 01:18:03,454
of all the stuff
I see in magazines
1855
01:18:03,455 --> 01:18:06,290
is complete hogwash.
It's ridiculous to me.
1856
01:18:06,291 --> 01:18:09,334
I don't understand why there's
this need in advertising
1857
01:18:09,336 --> 01:18:11,128
To really
manipulate things--
1858
01:18:11,129 --> 01:18:13,129
The bone-thin
fashion models
1859
01:18:13,130 --> 01:18:15,173
that got all kinds
of eating disorders,
1860
01:18:15,174 --> 01:18:16,591
and with men
it's the opposite.
1861
01:18:16,592 --> 01:18:18,510
They get
the Adonis complex.
1862
01:18:18,511 --> 01:18:20,719
And then there's all
kinds of trouble ahead
1863
01:18:20,721 --> 01:18:23,680
'cause you have all these kids who
are like you and me when we were young
1864
01:18:23,682 --> 01:18:26,391
looking at all these people
and they're perfect.
1865
01:18:26,393 --> 01:18:29,352
And how does that make somebody
feel who's not as perfect
1866
01:18:29,353 --> 01:18:30,687
as the people they're
seeing? Not very good.
1867
01:18:32,231 --> 01:18:34,273
So this stuff
I've tried--
1868
01:18:34,274 --> 01:18:35,858
loaded with sugar.
1869
01:18:35,859 --> 01:18:38,652
I've tried this.
I've tried this.
1870
01:18:38,654 --> 01:18:39,904
Of course I've
tried this.
1871
01:18:39,905 --> 01:18:41,488
Everybody I think's
tried muscle milk.
1872
01:18:41,490 --> 01:18:43,282
I've tried this.
I've tried this.
1873
01:18:43,283 --> 01:18:44,992
I've tried
all these drinks.
1874
01:18:44,993 --> 01:18:47,910
If speed stack weren't enough,
you have extreme speed stack.
1875
01:18:47,911 --> 01:18:50,037
REHAN JALALI: The supplement
industry is very unregulated.
1876
01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:51,956
You don't have to have
F.D.A. approval
1877
01:18:51,957 --> 01:18:53,666
To come out with
a dietary supplement.
1878
01:18:53,667 --> 01:18:55,834
That gives people room
to come out
1879
01:18:55,836 --> 01:18:58,212
with some lower-quality
products.
1880
01:18:58,213 --> 01:19:00,964
This product says
"new legal formula" on it.
1881
01:19:00,965 --> 01:19:03,425
( laughs ) I don't know what
the old formula really had in it.
1882
01:19:03,426 --> 01:19:05,301
"Belizean Man Vine
Extract."
1883
01:19:05,302 --> 01:19:07,094
( laughs ) I don't
want any part of that.
1884
01:19:07,096 --> 01:19:09,597
"Best if used by date and
lot number on bottom of can."
1885
01:19:09,598 --> 01:19:10,889
Yeah.
1886
01:19:10,890 --> 01:19:12,932
( laughs )
1887
01:19:12,934 --> 01:19:14,767
CHRIS: I always thought
the health industry
1888
01:19:14,769 --> 01:19:16,686
was about,
you know, health.
1889
01:19:16,687 --> 01:19:18,772
Why does it feel like
we're back in the wild west?
1890
01:19:18,773 --> 01:19:20,398
It'll clean your teeth
and curl your hair!
1891
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:21,815
The best in the west.
1892
01:19:21,816 --> 01:19:23,693
I wouldn't be dead
without a bottle.
1893
01:19:23,694 --> 01:19:27,278
CHRIS: Well, we can all thank the
senator from Utah, Orrin Hatch.
1894
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,364
Look how good he looks.
1895
01:19:29,366 --> 01:19:31,658
I want to get his brand
is what I want to do.
1896
01:19:31,659 --> 01:19:34,453
CHRIS: See, the health industry
is big business in Utah.
1897
01:19:34,454 --> 01:19:37,830
They make almost a quarter of all
the dietary supplements in America.
1898
01:19:37,831 --> 01:19:40,499
And supplements are
a $24-billion industry.
1899
01:19:40,501 --> 01:19:42,459
So you do the math.
1900
01:19:42,460 --> 01:19:45,461
Making supplements used to be
like making prescription drugs.
1901
01:19:45,463 --> 01:19:47,714
You had to prove your
product was safe and effective
1902
01:19:47,715 --> 01:19:51,050
before you could sell it. Well,
the supplement cowboys in Utah
1903
01:19:51,051 --> 01:19:53,177
thought that was
a real hassle.
1904
01:19:53,178 --> 01:19:56,054
So they asked their favorite
senator to change the rules around.
1905
01:19:56,055 --> 01:19:58,599
And now you don't have to prove
your product is safe at all.
1906
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,475
And the F.D.A. has to prove
that it's not safe
1907
01:20:00,476 --> 01:20:02,936
If they want to take it
off the market.
1908
01:20:02,937 --> 01:20:04,437
What is this
red goop?
1909
01:20:04,438 --> 01:20:07,148
This is the Canadian version
of redline.
1910
01:20:07,149 --> 01:20:10,651
We had to take out some of the
ingredients that aren't legal in Canada.
1911
01:20:10,652 --> 01:20:13,987
CHRIS: Thanks to this deregulation,
the supplement industry exploded
1912
01:20:13,988 --> 01:20:17,824
And all sorts of new and interesting
people got in on the action.
1913
01:20:17,825 --> 01:20:19,909
We were always a good team,
whether we were selling drugs
1914
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:21,827
or whether we were selling
a supplement like we are now.
1915
01:20:21,829 --> 01:20:24,788
"Jekyll and Hyde" supplements,
formulated to awaken your other side.
1916
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:27,082
Take this and all of a sudden
you become the freak, the monster.
1917
01:20:27,083 --> 01:20:29,084
Everybody wants
to become a monster.
1918
01:20:29,085 --> 01:20:32,004
CHRIS: If Valentino can make a
supplement I bet anyone can do it.
1919
01:20:32,005 --> 01:20:33,796
Hola.
1920
01:20:33,797 --> 01:20:36,466
- How many guys you need?
- I need two guys.
1921
01:20:36,467 --> 01:20:38,342
- We're making dietary
supplements. - Uh-huh.
1922
01:20:38,343 --> 01:20:40,553
And I just need a hand with a
couple things. It'd be really easy.
1923
01:20:42,931 --> 01:20:44,765
All I need you guys to do
is take the white--
1924
01:20:44,766 --> 01:20:45,599
- MAN: Put inside?
- CHRIS: Boom.
1925
01:20:48,604 --> 01:20:51,646
CHRIS: First you buy a bunch
of really popular ingredients.
1926
01:20:51,648 --> 01:20:53,607
But the trick is
I'm just gonna use
1927
01:20:53,609 --> 01:20:55,942
- a tiny amount of each one.
- Oof.
1928
01:20:55,943 --> 01:20:59,362
It's what we like to call in the
supplement biz "pixie dusting."
1929
01:20:59,363 --> 01:21:01,197
See, I can hide
my secret formula
1930
01:21:01,198 --> 01:21:03,199
behind the term
"proprietary blend"
1931
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,242
and not reveal
that it's pretty much
1932
01:21:05,244 --> 01:21:07,953
just a pillful
of rice flour.
1933
01:21:07,955 --> 01:21:10,956
- ( man sneezing )
- It's a good way to make a lot of money.
1934
01:21:10,957 --> 01:21:13,292
Don't sneeze
in the supplements here.
1935
01:21:13,293 --> 01:21:15,251
( man laughs )
1936
01:21:15,253 --> 01:21:17,879
CHRIS: But with all those
expensive ingredients on the label
1937
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,464
I can make this bottle
for about a buck 40
1938
01:21:20,466 --> 01:21:22,716
and sell it for $60.
1939
01:21:22,717 --> 01:21:25,093
Thanks, Orrin.
1940
01:21:25,094 --> 01:21:27,220
We're in the supplement
business now.
1941
01:21:27,221 --> 01:21:30,222
CHRIS: The scary part is that
everything I just did is by the book--
1942
01:21:30,223 --> 01:21:32,851
Well, except for the
illegal-immigrant day laborers.
1943
01:21:32,852 --> 01:21:36,062
But hey, nobody's
regulating them either.
1944
01:21:36,063 --> 01:21:38,564
Now I just need a
misleading advertisement.
1945
01:21:38,565 --> 01:21:41,023
Do you airbrush these guys a lot
when you put them in magazines?
1946
01:21:41,025 --> 01:21:43,276
Definitely. There's all
kinds of techniques and tools
1947
01:21:43,277 --> 01:21:45,653
you can use to completely
manipulate the body.
1948
01:21:45,654 --> 01:21:48,448
- Really? - In fact, some of the
"before" and "after" pictures--
1949
01:21:48,449 --> 01:21:50,700
They could be done
on the same day.
1950
01:21:50,701 --> 01:21:52,367
You haven't shot them in the
same day, though, have you?
1951
01:21:52,369 --> 01:21:54,370
- I have, actually.
- Oh, you have?
1952
01:21:54,371 --> 01:21:56,288
- Yeah.
- What do they do--?
1953
01:21:56,289 --> 01:21:58,957
Is this the self-editing part?
I should keep my mouth shut?
1954
01:21:58,958 --> 01:22:01,000
I could take anybody and
take a picture of them,
1955
01:22:01,001 --> 01:22:02,292
make them look
their worst...
1956
01:22:02,294 --> 01:22:05,003
think horrible thoughts,
depression.
1957
01:22:05,005 --> 01:22:07,089
( giggles )
1958
01:22:07,091 --> 01:22:09,340
...and then through
all kinds of ways
1959
01:22:09,342 --> 01:22:10,800
make them look
their best.
1960
01:22:10,801 --> 01:22:13,136
Just don't
cut my nipple off.
1961
01:22:13,137 --> 01:22:14,887
( buzzing )
1962
01:22:16,098 --> 01:22:18,098
Agh!
1963
01:22:19,309 --> 01:22:21,435
All right. Let me see here. Good.
1964
01:22:21,437 --> 01:22:23,229
One, two, three.
1965
01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:24,730
Good.
1966
01:22:24,731 --> 01:22:26,440
We can take it
a step further if we want
1967
01:22:26,441 --> 01:22:28,275
in the befores
and the afters.
1968
01:22:28,276 --> 01:22:29,901
Basically, you can
take somebody
1969
01:22:29,902 --> 01:22:31,653
and make them a little
fatter or shorter.
1970
01:22:31,654 --> 01:22:33,154
Are people falling
for this?
1971
01:22:33,155 --> 01:22:35,073
They fall for it
all the time.
1972
01:22:35,074 --> 01:22:37,825
And it's beyond
what I can understand
1973
01:22:37,826 --> 01:22:39,827
because it looks
so silly to me,
1974
01:22:39,828 --> 01:22:41,912
but of course I'm somebody
who's had sort of an inside,
1975
01:22:41,913 --> 01:22:44,455
backstage pass to what's
really occurred,
1976
01:22:44,457 --> 01:22:47,291
and I've been part of some of
these scams that have played out.
1977
01:22:47,292 --> 01:22:49,419
CHRIS: So if unregulated
dietary supplements
1978
01:22:49,420 --> 01:22:51,295
are marketed like steroids
1979
01:22:51,296 --> 01:22:53,839
and sold by people
who are on steroids,
1980
01:22:53,841 --> 01:22:56,925
is it any wonder that so many people
are just taking the real thing?
1981
01:22:56,926 --> 01:22:59,385
I mean, it's not like
they're hard to get.
1982
01:22:59,386 --> 01:23:02,638
You can cross the border and buy
them from a pet store in Mexico.
1983
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,349
MAN:
Testosterona, $15.
1984
01:23:05,351 --> 01:23:06,767
But it's for your dog,
right?
1985
01:23:06,768 --> 01:23:08,476
Oh, it's for my dog.
Yeah, I forgot.
1986
01:23:08,478 --> 01:23:10,771
Yeah yeah,
my dog's anemic.
1987
01:23:10,772 --> 01:23:13,065
CHRIS: Or you can buy them
on the internet like Mad Dog.
1988
01:23:13,066 --> 01:23:15,567
If you order online you can
get the shit for $250 a kit
1989
01:23:15,568 --> 01:23:18,944
Instead of paying somebody on the
black market $500 or $600 for a kit.
1990
01:23:18,945 --> 01:23:21,864
CHRIS: Or, if you have enough
money, you can get it legally.
1991
01:23:21,865 --> 01:23:25,617
This is the annual convention
for the anti-aging medicine--
1992
01:23:25,618 --> 01:23:29,245
Booth after booth of all the
taboo performance-enhancing drugs.
1993
01:23:29,247 --> 01:23:32,499
Stanozolol-- hey, that's
what Ben Johnson used.
1994
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:35,876
Nandrolone-- isn't that what
Shawne Merriman got caught with?
1995
01:23:35,877 --> 01:23:37,461
Oh, and human
growth hormone--
1996
01:23:37,462 --> 01:23:39,629
They say Marion Jones
was taking that.
1997
01:23:39,631 --> 01:23:41,757
Human growth hormone
usage
1998
01:23:41,758 --> 01:23:43,884
has been rampant in baseball
and other sports.
1999
01:23:43,885 --> 01:23:46,052
CHRIS: Athletes use
H.G.H. because it works
2000
01:23:46,054 --> 01:23:48,763
A lot like anabolic steroids.
And the best part is,
2001
01:23:48,765 --> 01:23:51,974
there's no way to test for
it. Here's how you get it.
2002
01:23:51,975 --> 01:23:53,850
First you go to your
anti-aging doctor.
2003
01:23:53,851 --> 01:23:56,477
Now the doctor might
not be a medical doctor.
2004
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,980
Like in my case--
he's a chiropractor.
2005
01:23:58,981 --> 01:24:01,232
And chiropractors
can't prescribe drugs,
2006
01:24:01,233 --> 01:24:03,609
but that's okay.
He just has another doctor
2007
01:24:03,610 --> 01:24:05,528
write the prescriptions
for him.
2008
01:24:05,529 --> 01:24:08,530
But be careful-- prescribing
hormones for anti-aging
2009
01:24:08,531 --> 01:24:12,409
is a felony. So you can't exactly
tell your anti-aging doctor
2010
01:24:12,411 --> 01:24:14,410
that you're interested
in anti-aging.
2011
01:24:14,412 --> 01:24:16,746
Not to worry, though--
just use the words
2012
01:24:16,748 --> 01:24:18,915
"hormone deficiency" instead.
2013
01:24:18,916 --> 01:24:21,041
First thing, doc will want
to do a little physical.
2014
01:24:21,042 --> 01:24:22,418
BOTH: Aagh.
2015
01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:24,044
( dings )
2016
01:24:24,046 --> 01:24:26,213
Do you have people come to
you to try to get steroids?
2017
01:24:26,214 --> 01:24:28,381
Absolutely.
But prescribing steroids--
2018
01:24:28,383 --> 01:24:30,884
That's not what we do,
not at all.
2019
01:24:30,885 --> 01:24:33,511
Mm-hmm. But it kind
of is what you do
2020
01:24:33,512 --> 01:24:35,429
in a way,
in a different way.
2021
01:24:35,431 --> 01:24:37,473
CHRIS: Next you're
gonna get a urine test
2022
01:24:37,474 --> 01:24:39,558
to check your hormone
levels for 24 hours.
2023
01:24:39,559 --> 01:24:42,770
That's a take-home test--
you know, scout's honor.
2024
01:24:42,771 --> 01:24:46,481
Send in the test and a week
later go get your results.
2025
01:24:46,482 --> 01:24:48,608
DOCTOR: We got your
labs back here--
2026
01:24:48,609 --> 01:24:50,943
Urinary growth hormone
output.
2027
01:24:50,944 --> 01:24:53,029
CHRIS: But here's the
thing-- since the F.D.A.
2028
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:55,613
has never defined what a
hormone deficiency really is,
2029
01:24:55,615 --> 01:24:58,992
Well, doc can pretty much interpret
the results however he wants.
2030
01:24:58,993 --> 01:25:00,910
You're a little bit low,
coming down.
2031
01:25:00,912 --> 01:25:02,620
I'm gonna bring those
levels up to optimal.
2032
01:25:02,621 --> 01:25:04,789
CHRIS:
Now it may seem strange
2033
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:06,707
that the most controversial
drugs in America
2034
01:25:06,708 --> 01:25:08,542
are being prescribed
using take-home tests,
2035
01:25:08,543 --> 01:25:11,753
and in my case by a doctor
I never met,
2036
01:25:11,754 --> 01:25:14,214
but hey, at least I'm not
the one breaking the law.
2037
01:25:14,215 --> 01:25:16,007
Why don't you
just get it legally?
2038
01:25:16,009 --> 01:25:19,718
Um, I like getting it
the way I get it.
2039
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,596
It's cheap
and I can get it
2040
01:25:21,597 --> 01:25:23,848
anytime I want.
2041
01:25:23,849 --> 01:25:26,766
And I don't think there's
any real reason for me to--
2042
01:25:26,768 --> 01:25:28,560
I mean, I don't want
to go to a doctor.
2043
01:25:28,561 --> 01:25:30,020
That's a pain
in the ass.
2044
01:25:30,021 --> 01:25:31,854
You ever worry
about getting arrested
2045
01:25:31,856 --> 01:25:33,732
or cops coming after you
or anything like that?
2046
01:25:33,733 --> 01:25:35,692
I'm not all that
concerned about it.
2047
01:25:35,693 --> 01:25:38,194
You can justify
anything to yourself.
2048
01:25:38,195 --> 01:25:40,280
And once you've
justified it to yourself
2049
01:25:40,281 --> 01:25:44,033
then you just think it's
cool. You think it's okay.
2050
01:25:44,034 --> 01:25:45,993
So in my mind
it's okay.
2051
01:25:45,994 --> 01:25:48,412
I pose the question
to people, say,
2052
01:25:48,414 --> 01:25:52,958
"hey, if you had
to take a drug
2053
01:25:52,959 --> 01:25:55,543
with the side effects--
known side effects
2054
01:25:55,544 --> 01:25:58,129
and the unknown effects
of the anabolic steroids
2055
01:25:58,130 --> 01:26:01,090
To keep your job
right now
2056
01:26:01,091 --> 01:26:04,427
and support your family,
would you do it?"
2057
01:26:04,428 --> 01:26:07,470
Maintaining an erection
is very easy to do
2058
01:26:07,472 --> 01:26:10,056
with the appropriate
chemical assistance.
2059
01:26:10,058 --> 01:26:13,435
Liquid Viagra
injected into the penis.
2060
01:26:13,436 --> 01:26:15,061
You inject this
in your penis?
2061
01:26:15,062 --> 01:26:16,521
Yep.
2062
01:26:16,522 --> 01:26:19,107
- Does it hurt?
- Um, not really.
2063
01:26:19,108 --> 01:26:20,899
CHRIS: It's not just
athletes and porn stars
2064
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:22,609
Taking
performance-enhancing drugs.
2065
01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:24,652
Just about everybody's
in on the action.
2066
01:26:24,653 --> 01:26:27,488
Probably the most common thing
is what we call go-pills.
2067
01:26:27,489 --> 01:26:29,115
There's probably
different kinds,
2068
01:26:29,117 --> 01:26:31,075
but dextramphetamine
is the big one.
2069
01:26:31,076 --> 01:26:33,328
They work wonders, they really
do, especially if you've been
2070
01:26:33,329 --> 01:26:35,371
out there a long time and
it's hard to stay focused.
2071
01:26:35,372 --> 01:26:37,122
What about you?
2072
01:26:37,123 --> 01:26:39,791
Yeah, they'll spin you
right up.
2073
01:26:39,792 --> 01:26:42,210
Many parents may not be
aware that their children
2074
01:26:42,212 --> 01:26:44,879
are taking a drug
by the name of Adderall
2075
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,548
to improve their
academic performance.
2076
01:26:47,550 --> 01:26:50,217
Adderall is
a powerful stimulant
2077
01:26:50,218 --> 01:26:52,762
very much like cocaine
2078
01:26:52,763 --> 01:26:54,345
or methamphetamine.
2079
01:26:54,346 --> 01:26:56,139
It's not just for people
who have problems.
2080
01:26:56,140 --> 01:26:58,475
People who think completely
fine-- I've taken Adderall
2081
01:26:58,476 --> 01:27:00,518
in college here and there
to write a paper.
2082
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,269
And I said, "this is a
fun way to write a paper."
2083
01:27:02,271 --> 01:27:04,772
Your test scores go up
and you're
2084
01:27:04,773 --> 01:27:07,566
doing homework faster,
so you can do more work.
2085
01:27:07,568 --> 01:27:09,943
All I did when I went to class--
my friends, should I talk to them?
2086
01:27:09,945 --> 01:27:11,570
Nope, hold on. And I'd
be doing all my work.
2087
01:27:11,571 --> 01:27:13,363
CHRIS: And for every performance
2088
01:27:13,364 --> 01:27:15,782
there's a way
to enhance it.
2089
01:27:15,783 --> 01:27:17,450
So you take beta-blockers
to calm you down?
2090
01:27:17,451 --> 01:27:19,410
It actually doesn't
calm me down.
2091
01:27:19,411 --> 01:27:21,370
It prevents me
from getting nervous.
2092
01:27:21,371 --> 01:27:23,247
- Here we go.
- WOMAN: I was in college
2093
01:27:23,248 --> 01:27:25,915
and I was having really really bad
problems with performance anxiety
2094
01:27:25,917 --> 01:27:28,876
and it was actually making me question
what I was doing in the first place.
2095
01:27:28,878 --> 01:27:31,921
A friend gave me beta-blockers
and I just couldn't believe it.
2096
01:27:31,922 --> 01:27:36,342
I felt like I could get up there
and do exactly what I wanted to do
2097
01:27:36,343 --> 01:27:40,136
and I wasn't hindered by
what my body was reacting to.
2098
01:27:40,138 --> 01:27:42,680
( applause )
2099
01:27:42,681 --> 01:27:46,101
Blocking that adrenaline
goes a long way
2100
01:27:46,102 --> 01:27:48,519
towards enhancing
performance.
2101
01:27:48,521 --> 01:27:50,563
CHRIS: So it's okay to
enhance your performance
2102
01:27:50,564 --> 01:27:53,149
if you're a pilot,
a porn star,
2103
01:27:53,150 --> 01:27:55,275
a musician
or a student,
2104
01:27:55,276 --> 01:27:57,568
but if your job is to play
professional baseball,
2105
01:27:57,570 --> 01:27:59,404
well, somehow that
makes you a cheater.
2106
01:28:02,574 --> 01:28:04,867
CHRIS: Do you feel it's cheating?
2107
01:28:04,869 --> 01:28:07,370
Not at all.
Oh, no, certainly not.
2108
01:28:07,371 --> 01:28:09,538
MAN: There is no
competition in music.
2109
01:28:09,539 --> 01:28:11,873
You know, this is
completely unlike sports.
2110
01:28:11,874 --> 01:28:14,041
What about
in an audition situation?
2111
01:28:14,043 --> 01:28:16,377
- Is there competition there?
- Yeah, there is.
2112
01:28:16,379 --> 01:28:20,714
And, you know, a lot
of people take 'em
2113
01:28:20,716 --> 01:28:23,092
and I don't see that
there's a problem with it.
2114
01:28:23,093 --> 01:28:25,885
Was there any sort of moral
bridge to cross when you did it?
2115
01:28:25,886 --> 01:28:27,179
Well, we're
in the porn business.
2116
01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:29,097
There's not a whole lot
of morals to begin with.
2117
01:28:29,099 --> 01:28:32,016
Amphetamines in baseball--
they actually take the same pill
2118
01:28:32,017 --> 01:28:33,768
- As a go-pill.
- Yeah, I've heard that.
2119
01:28:33,769 --> 01:28:36,062
In the clubhouse
they're called greenies.
2120
01:28:36,063 --> 01:28:38,063
And some in the game say
they could be
2121
01:28:38,064 --> 01:28:39,772
more common
than steroids.
2122
01:28:39,774 --> 01:28:41,775
In sports
you should play fair.
2123
01:28:41,776 --> 01:28:45,569
In war you shouldn't
play fair at all.
2124
01:28:45,571 --> 01:28:47,655
PILOT: I've got some men on a road
2125
01:28:47,657 --> 01:28:50,407
And it looks like a piece
of artillery firing at us.
2126
01:28:50,409 --> 01:28:52,660
I am rolling in
in self-defense.
2127
01:28:52,661 --> 01:28:54,120
Shaq!
2128
01:28:54,121 --> 01:28:56,829
CHRIS:
In 2002 over Afghanistan
2129
01:28:56,831 --> 01:28:59,290
two American pilots
on go-pills
2130
01:28:59,292 --> 01:29:01,418
bombed a group
of friendly Canadians.
2131
01:29:01,419 --> 01:29:03,002
PILOT
was the right thing to do.
2132
01:29:03,004 --> 01:29:04,545
PILOT
ME too.
2133
01:29:04,546 --> 01:29:07,464
REPORTER: Four Canadian
soldiers were killed.
2134
01:29:07,466 --> 01:29:10,342
Doctors say the pilots'
snap judgment to open fire
2135
01:29:10,343 --> 01:29:12,803
Is typical of someone
on speed.
2136
01:29:12,804 --> 01:29:14,971
CHRIS: The pilots were
charged with manslaughter,
2137
01:29:14,972 --> 01:29:16,556
But they blamed
their go-pills
2138
01:29:16,557 --> 01:29:18,558
and the charges
were dropped.
2139
01:29:18,559 --> 01:29:20,350
No other country
in the world
2140
01:29:20,352 --> 01:29:22,478
allows amphetamines
in their Air Force,
2141
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,480
But in America
we require it.
2142
01:29:27,776 --> 01:29:30,652
TUTOR: You know, America
is a very competitive place
2143
01:29:30,653 --> 01:29:33,112
and people will take advantage
of really anything they can
2144
01:29:33,113 --> 01:29:35,114
in order to help
themselves in that struggle.
2145
01:29:35,115 --> 01:29:37,116
I hate to say it, the
amount of beta-blockers
2146
01:29:37,117 --> 01:29:39,451
that they've got me on right
now-- California traffic
2147
01:29:39,452 --> 01:29:41,953
- doesn't bother me anymore.
- Really?
2148
01:29:41,954 --> 01:29:43,663
STUDENT: It's too easy
to get it from a doctor.
2149
01:29:43,664 --> 01:29:45,373
You say, "I can't
focus in class"
2150
01:29:45,374 --> 01:29:47,375
And the doctor prescribes
it automatically.
2151
01:29:47,376 --> 01:29:49,793
And when you got Adderall
you just went to the doctor?
2152
01:29:49,795 --> 01:29:52,838
No, it's just
passed around at school.
2153
01:29:52,839 --> 01:29:54,798
- It's passed around at school?
- Passed around at school.
2154
01:29:54,799 --> 01:29:56,716
You turn on your T.V.
2155
01:29:56,718 --> 01:29:59,260
And we push drugs, right?
2156
01:29:59,261 --> 01:30:01,346
If you have a headache--
use this.
2157
01:30:01,347 --> 01:30:03,889
If you have a pain in
your side-- use that.
2158
01:30:03,891 --> 01:30:06,100
If you want to go
to sleep-- use this.
2159
01:30:06,102 --> 01:30:07,602
If you want to wake up--
use that.
2160
01:30:07,603 --> 01:30:10,061
We are the only
country in the world
2161
01:30:10,063 --> 01:30:13,398
that permits
drugs of that kind
2162
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,359
to be advertised
directly to the consumer.
2163
01:30:16,361 --> 01:30:18,612
CHRIS: The American
pharmaceutical industry
2164
01:30:18,613 --> 01:30:21,030
spends almost $5 billion
a year on advertising.
2165
01:30:21,031 --> 01:30:25,408
And we in turn spend $250
billion on their drugs.
2166
01:30:25,410 --> 01:30:28,036
That's more than
any other country by far.
2167
01:30:28,037 --> 01:30:30,664
Are we the most unhealthy
people in the world
2168
01:30:30,665 --> 01:30:32,166
Or do we just watch
too much T.V.?
2169
01:30:34,420 --> 01:30:37,171
Everybody's on a drug. So
why because I'm on a drug
2170
01:30:37,172 --> 01:30:39,214
does everybody have to
point a finger at me?
2171
01:30:39,215 --> 01:30:41,424
- Why am I the bad guy?
- 'Cause you're on steroids.
2172
01:30:41,425 --> 01:30:46,053
And steroids are bad.
( laughs )
2173
01:30:46,055 --> 01:30:48,388
( applause )
2174
01:30:48,389 --> 01:30:50,307
To help children
make right choices
2175
01:30:50,308 --> 01:30:53,101
they need
good examples.
2176
01:30:53,103 --> 01:30:57,605
Athletics play such an
important role in our society,
2177
01:30:57,606 --> 01:31:00,233
but unfortunately,
some in professional sports
2178
01:31:00,234 --> 01:31:02,359
are not setting
much of an example.
2179
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,820
CHRIS: Long before George
Bush was the President
2180
01:31:04,821 --> 01:31:07,865
he was the owner of the Texas
Rangers, a major league baseball team
2181
01:31:07,866 --> 01:31:11,159
With none other than Jose
Canseco on the roster.
2182
01:31:11,161 --> 01:31:14,203
SENATOR WAXMAN: Do you
think that the team trainers,
2183
01:31:14,204 --> 01:31:17,456
The managers, the general
managers and even the owners
2184
01:31:17,457 --> 01:31:19,583
might have been aware
2185
01:31:19,585 --> 01:31:21,877
that some players
were using steroids?
2186
01:31:21,878 --> 01:31:25,297
No doubt in my mind.
Absolutely.
2187
01:31:25,298 --> 01:31:27,256
CHRIS:
So did the President know
2188
01:31:27,258 --> 01:31:29,634
that his players were
on the juice?
2189
01:31:29,635 --> 01:31:31,927
You've admitted to using
steroids in the past.
2190
01:31:31,928 --> 01:31:34,597
Knowing what you know now
about them,
2191
01:31:34,598 --> 01:31:37,181
- would you have done it?
- Yeah, absolutely.
2192
01:31:37,183 --> 01:31:39,018
The National Football League
has talked more
2193
01:31:39,019 --> 01:31:40,977
about steroid testing
or human growth hormone.
2194
01:31:40,979 --> 01:31:42,395
And I know
back in your day
2195
01:31:42,396 --> 01:31:44,104
you've admitted
that you did that.
2196
01:31:44,106 --> 01:31:46,148
Your stand
on that right now?
2197
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:49,109
I think it's good
to do doping tests
2198
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:51,111
and the trick obviously
to find a way
2199
01:31:51,112 --> 01:31:52,654
of really doing
true testing.
2200
01:31:52,655 --> 01:31:55,365
I think that
we have to do something
2201
01:31:55,366 --> 01:31:57,533
about the drug use
in sports.
2202
01:31:57,534 --> 01:32:01,913
And I think it does send the
wrong message to our children.
2203
01:32:01,914 --> 01:32:04,998
CHRIS: So Arnold wants
to crack down on steroids,
2204
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,417
but every year he sponsors
his own bodybuilding show,
2205
01:32:07,418 --> 01:32:09,169
The Arnold Classic.
2206
01:32:09,170 --> 01:32:10,670
And they don't drug-test
at all.
2207
01:32:10,672 --> 01:32:12,839
Isn't it unbelievable, the
shape these guys are in,
2208
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,632
I mean, how ripped they
are, how bid they are,
2209
01:32:14,634 --> 01:32:17,468
how cut they are, their
posing routine and everything?
2210
01:32:17,470 --> 01:32:19,887
I'm so proud of them. I tell
you, it is really amazing.
2211
01:32:19,888 --> 01:32:21,763
CHRIS: This year
Governor Schwarzenegger
2212
01:32:21,764 --> 01:32:24,183
handed over the winning
trophy to Victor Martinez,
2213
01:32:24,184 --> 01:32:26,392
a guy who was busted
for selling steroids
2214
01:32:26,394 --> 01:32:27,977
just a couple
of years ago.
2215
01:32:27,978 --> 01:32:29,979
And a few days
before this competition
2216
01:32:29,981 --> 01:32:33,232
he was implicated
in another steroid scandal.
2217
01:32:33,233 --> 01:32:35,150
The bodybuilder
who won a competition
2218
01:32:35,151 --> 01:32:37,736
sponsored by Governor Arnold
Schwarzenegger this past weekend
2219
01:32:37,737 --> 01:32:39,821
has been linked to a
steroid investigation.
2220
01:32:39,822 --> 01:32:42,366
A spokesman for the Governor
says Schwarzenegger did not know
2221
01:32:42,367 --> 01:32:44,617
of Martinez's links
to steroids.
2222
01:32:44,618 --> 01:32:47,495
CHRIS: Come on, Arnold, what
do you mean you didn't know?
2223
01:32:47,496 --> 01:32:49,371
Okay, let's compare.
2224
01:32:49,372 --> 01:32:52,082
Here's Arnold Schwarzenegger
when he was on steroids--
2225
01:32:52,083 --> 01:32:55,960
6'2", 235 lbs.
2226
01:32:55,962 --> 01:32:58,045
And here's
Victor Martinez,
2227
01:32:58,046 --> 01:33:01,257
seven inches shorter
and 15 lbs heavier.
2228
01:33:01,259 --> 01:33:03,635
Give him a big hand,
come on, a big hand.
2229
01:33:03,636 --> 01:33:05,552
CHRIS: You know, I've been
calling Arnold's office
2230
01:33:05,553 --> 01:33:07,263
For over a year
to get an interview,
2231
01:33:07,264 --> 01:33:09,348
but his people
keep telling me
2232
01:33:09,349 --> 01:33:11,641
that his position on
steroids is very clear.
2233
01:33:11,642 --> 01:33:13,476
So the only way
to get an answer
2234
01:33:13,477 --> 01:33:15,311
was to track him down
myself
2235
01:33:15,312 --> 01:33:17,188
at a place I knew
he would show up--
2236
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:19,148
Muscle Beach.
2237
01:33:19,149 --> 01:33:22,192
It was just a few weeks before
the Governor's reelection
2238
01:33:22,194 --> 01:33:25,153
And Arnold went to where he
knew he could depend on support
2239
01:33:25,155 --> 01:33:27,154
to cement
his voting base.
2240
01:33:27,156 --> 01:33:30,242
This was my big chance.
I waited for hours.
2241
01:33:30,243 --> 01:33:32,701
And finally
there he was.
2242
01:33:32,703 --> 01:33:34,745
And there was
this other guy,
2243
01:33:34,746 --> 01:33:37,372
the tall guy, the one
in the middle. He saw me.
2244
01:33:37,373 --> 01:33:39,999
This is how politics
work these days.
2245
01:33:40,001 --> 01:33:42,794
The important thing when making
an appearance is the photo op.
2246
01:33:42,795 --> 01:33:44,879
The tall guy's gonna
nod at me.
2247
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,965
Then he's gonna point
Arnold in my direction.
2248
01:33:46,966 --> 01:33:50,676
Arnold, his instincts honed
by years of being a huge star,
2249
01:33:50,677 --> 01:33:53,554
instantly sizes up
the situation,
2250
01:33:53,555 --> 01:33:55,430
notices
the various cameras
2251
01:33:55,431 --> 01:33:58,141
and decides to use me to
further his reelection bid.
2252
01:33:58,142 --> 01:34:01,769
Look at those arms.
Look at those arms.
2253
01:34:01,771 --> 01:34:04,188
CHRIS: And instead of
talking about steroids
2254
01:34:04,189 --> 01:34:05,939
and the cheating
culture of America,
2255
01:34:05,940 --> 01:34:07,941
he compliments me
on my biceps
2256
01:34:07,942 --> 01:34:09,901
and we end up on the
cover of the L.A. "Times."
2257
01:34:09,902 --> 01:34:11,820
There he is.
Oh my God.
2258
01:34:11,821 --> 01:34:13,572
CHRIS:
Not that I mind.
2259
01:34:13,573 --> 01:34:15,698
After all, it was kind
of like a dream come true.
2260
01:34:15,699 --> 01:34:18,075
Son of a bitch.
2261
01:34:18,076 --> 01:34:21,871
CHRIS: But I still have all
these unanswered questions.
2262
01:34:21,872 --> 01:34:23,663
SHELDON: Let me tell
you this, first of all--
2263
01:34:23,665 --> 01:34:27,167
You can't knock Arnold
really, okay?
2264
01:34:27,168 --> 01:34:30,295
Because the steroids didn't get
him into that office that he's in.
2265
01:34:30,296 --> 01:34:32,171
But he basically comes out
and he says,
2266
01:34:32,172 --> 01:34:34,882
"if you work hard
and you play by the rules
2267
01:34:34,883 --> 01:34:37,009
this country is truly
open to you.
2268
01:34:37,011 --> 01:34:39,428
You can achieve anything."
but did he get to where he is
2269
01:34:39,429 --> 01:34:42,555
playing by the rules? Or would
he have ever even been famous
2270
01:34:42,556 --> 01:34:44,391
had he not taken
those drugs?
2271
01:34:44,392 --> 01:34:46,267
Well, let's look at it
this way--
2272
01:34:46,268 --> 01:34:48,394
Let's talk
about other heroes.
2273
01:34:48,396 --> 01:34:51,730
Let's talk about John Kennedy.
He was a hero in the Navy.
2274
01:34:51,731 --> 01:34:54,984
John Kennedy served as the
President of the United States.
2275
01:34:54,985 --> 01:34:58,612
But John Kennedy cheated on his
wife right in the White House
2276
01:34:58,613 --> 01:35:01,907
with Marilyn Monroe and who
knows how many others, okay?
2277
01:35:01,908 --> 01:35:04,200
It's no different
than biblical characters.
2278
01:35:04,201 --> 01:35:07,452
Moses was a hero
but Moses was a heel.
2279
01:35:07,453 --> 01:35:09,246
He didn't get
into the Promised Land.
2280
01:35:09,247 --> 01:35:11,331
He didn't do
what God told him to do.
2281
01:35:11,332 --> 01:35:15,043
David was a hero--
King David was a hero,
2282
01:35:15,044 --> 01:35:17,712
But David was a heel.
He chased every woman
2283
01:35:17,714 --> 01:35:19,672
in a skirt,
or in a toga,
2284
01:35:19,673 --> 01:35:21,173
or whatever they wore
back then.
2285
01:35:21,174 --> 01:35:23,717
Every man is fallible
2286
01:35:23,718 --> 01:35:25,845
and even the people
2287
01:35:25,846 --> 01:35:28,055
who were
the prime examples
2288
01:35:28,056 --> 01:35:30,057
of how to run your life
in the bible
2289
01:35:30,058 --> 01:35:32,893
screwed up.
They all screwed up.
2290
01:35:32,894 --> 01:35:35,354
So people need
to get off their
2291
01:35:35,355 --> 01:35:38,440
self-righteous
soapboxes
2292
01:35:38,441 --> 01:35:40,275
and start loving
each other.
2293
01:35:40,276 --> 01:35:42,652
We just need to go out
there and do our jobs,
2294
01:35:42,653 --> 01:35:46,071
just as you professionals
do your job.
2295
01:35:46,073 --> 01:35:48,615
All of you guys lied.
2296
01:35:48,616 --> 01:35:50,617
All of y'all
2297
01:35:50,619 --> 01:35:52,745
in a story or whatever
have lied.
2298
01:35:52,746 --> 01:35:55,538
Should you have an asterisk
behind your name?
2299
01:35:55,539 --> 01:35:57,540
All of you have lied.
2300
01:35:57,541 --> 01:35:59,541
All of you have said
something wrong.
2301
01:35:59,543 --> 01:36:02,461
All of you have dirt,
all of you.
2302
01:36:02,462 --> 01:36:04,463
When your
closet's clean
2303
01:36:04,464 --> 01:36:06,464
then come clean
somebody else's.
2304
01:36:06,466 --> 01:36:08,842
But clean yours first.
2305
01:36:08,843 --> 01:36:10,885
CHRIS:
Hi. How are you?
2306
01:36:10,886 --> 01:36:12,429
The last name is Bell,
B-E-L-L.
2307
01:36:15,057 --> 01:36:17,641
SCHWARZENEGGER: I took
the oath to serve you.
2308
01:36:17,642 --> 01:36:22,061
I say to everyone here today
and to all Californians,
2309
01:36:22,063 --> 01:36:24,356
I will not forget
my oath
2310
01:36:24,357 --> 01:36:26,232
And I will not
forget you.
2311
01:36:26,233 --> 01:36:27,692
( applause and cheering )
2312
01:36:31,154 --> 01:36:33,823
CHRIS: A few months
after I voted for Arnold
2313
01:36:33,824 --> 01:36:35,866
his people told
Gold's Gym
2314
01:36:35,867 --> 01:36:37,451
to remove
all of his images.
2315
01:36:46,877 --> 01:36:49,461
What is the meaning
of this?
2316
01:36:49,462 --> 01:36:52,047
It's a dark day
in Gold's Gym.
2317
01:36:52,048 --> 01:36:54,383
They're taking down
Arnold's poster.
2318
01:36:54,384 --> 01:36:56,634
Do you have a lot of respect for
Arnold? Is he one of your heroes?
2319
01:36:56,635 --> 01:36:59,178
Well, he was until
he took his shit down.
2320
01:36:59,180 --> 01:37:00,680
You know, that guy's
a traitor, man.
2321
01:37:06,060 --> 01:37:08,270
CHRIS: The gym feels different now.
2322
01:37:08,271 --> 01:37:10,271
The old Arnold's gone
2323
01:37:10,272 --> 01:37:12,273
and somehow this time
2324
01:37:12,275 --> 01:37:14,024
I don't think
he'll be back.
2325
01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:20,322
So you're excited to be out
here instead of in Poughkeepsie?
2326
01:37:20,324 --> 01:37:22,115
Hell yeah, man.
I got a job making
2327
01:37:22,116 --> 01:37:23,908
three times as much money and
my rent's just about the same
2328
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:25,618
and I'm right by the beach
and I got a convertible.
2329
01:37:25,619 --> 01:37:28,329
Right here next to
the mirror, honey.
2330
01:37:28,330 --> 01:37:29,621
MIKE: Put a little
muscle in it.
2331
01:37:29,623 --> 01:37:32,457
- CHRIS: Here you go.
- Higher.
2332
01:37:32,459 --> 01:37:35,127
So what do you plan on doing here
that you weren't doing in Poughkeepsie?
2333
01:37:35,128 --> 01:37:37,462
Jeez, like having fun with
life instead of hating life.
2334
01:37:37,463 --> 01:37:40,631
Think it'll help you with
your problems and stuff?
2335
01:37:40,633 --> 01:37:42,509
Absolutely.
I feel better already.
2336
01:37:42,510 --> 01:37:44,510
CHRIS: Now that Mad
Dog's in California,
2337
01:37:44,511 --> 01:37:47,429
Things seem to be going
pretty good for him.
2338
01:37:47,431 --> 01:37:50,224
He got a job working as a trainer
at a local wrestling school.
2339
01:37:50,225 --> 01:37:52,225
Got you! Now if I
want to take it here--
2340
01:37:52,226 --> 01:37:53,977
Keep your face up,
keep your face up.
2341
01:37:53,979 --> 01:37:56,396
CHRIS: He'd actually
make a great teacher,
2342
01:37:56,397 --> 01:37:58,315
but that's not good
enough for Mad Dog.
2343
01:37:58,316 --> 01:38:00,774
He still wants
to be a superstar.
2344
01:38:00,776 --> 01:38:03,986
MIKE: So this Sunday night, pay
per view, Madison Square Garden!
2345
01:38:03,988 --> 01:38:06,822
Hell's Henrys will toll
for you.
2346
01:38:09,408 --> 01:38:13,119
Just not--
I'm sick, though, dude.
2347
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,663
CHRIS: Mad Dog sent
his promo to the W.W.E.,
2348
01:38:15,664 --> 01:38:18,374
but they rejected him
again.
2349
01:38:18,375 --> 01:38:20,501
They said
he's too old
2350
01:38:20,502 --> 01:38:22,586
and not what they're
looking for right now.
2351
01:38:22,587 --> 01:38:25,047
MIKE: You know, I want to
believe that the world is good,
2352
01:38:25,048 --> 01:38:28,216
but it's not.
And I want to try hard,
2353
01:38:28,217 --> 01:38:29,842
but why try
when you can't win?
2354
01:38:29,844 --> 01:38:31,927
Those who can't do,
train.
2355
01:38:31,928 --> 01:38:34,638
It's just I never
understood why I didn't,
2356
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:36,557
you know?
2357
01:38:36,558 --> 01:38:39,393
What's the problem with
just being a normal guy?
2358
01:38:39,394 --> 01:38:41,061
What's wrong with
just being normal?
2359
01:38:41,062 --> 01:38:43,187
There's nothing wrong
with it.
2360
01:38:43,188 --> 01:38:45,189
Well, actually, there is
something wrong with it.
2361
01:38:45,191 --> 01:38:46,983
the thing that's
wrong with it is
2362
01:38:46,984 --> 01:38:49,068
that I was born to attain
greatness and I'm the only one
2363
01:38:49,069 --> 01:38:52,195
that's holding myself back. And I need
to attain greatness. I need to do it.
2364
01:38:52,196 --> 01:38:54,656
You live down by the beach,
you have a beautiful wife,
2365
01:38:54,657 --> 01:38:56,324
and nothing's ever
good enough.
2366
01:38:56,326 --> 01:38:58,993
I can only imagine
how she feels.
2367
01:38:58,994 --> 01:39:01,954
And do you ever think,
2368
01:39:01,955 --> 01:39:05,040
"why am I dragging
somebody else in this?"
2369
01:39:05,041 --> 01:39:08,459
I know that a lot of times
she's crying herself to sleep.
2370
01:39:08,461 --> 01:39:12,255
And I know that
sometimes she doesn't glow
2371
01:39:12,256 --> 01:39:14,590
the way that she did
when I first met her.
2372
01:39:14,591 --> 01:39:17,010
And I know
it's my fault.
2373
01:39:17,011 --> 01:39:18,844
And it really
tears me up.
2374
01:39:18,846 --> 01:39:20,512
Yeah.
Well, I mean,
2375
01:39:20,513 --> 01:39:22,555
I worry every day
that--
2376
01:39:22,557 --> 01:39:24,808
What I worry about is
you're gonna lose your job,
2377
01:39:24,809 --> 01:39:27,811
You're gonna lose your wife and
then you're gonna lose yourself.
2378
01:39:27,812 --> 01:39:29,771
If I lose my job and my
wife, what else do I have?
2379
01:39:32,733 --> 01:39:34,859
I just feel
2380
01:39:34,860 --> 01:39:37,361
that I have more
to offer this world.
2381
01:39:37,362 --> 01:39:40,405
And I don't know
exactly what it is
2382
01:39:40,406 --> 01:39:42,741
or how I'm gonna
go about doing it.
2383
01:39:42,457 --> 01:39:45,082
I know there's
something in here
2384
01:39:45,084 --> 01:39:47,834
That's meant for the
rest of the world to know.
2385
01:39:52,798 --> 01:39:56,174
When you were kids
2386
01:39:56,175 --> 01:39:58,300
you all admired
2387
01:39:58,301 --> 01:40:00,677
the champion marble shooter,
the fastest runner,
2388
01:40:00,678 --> 01:40:04,804
big league ballplayers,
the toughest boxers.
2389
01:40:04,805 --> 01:40:07,598
Americans love a winner
2390
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,642
and will not tolerate
a loser.
2391
01:40:18,942 --> 01:40:20,942
CHRIS:
Smelly is now competing
2392
01:40:20,943 --> 01:40:23,069
against the best guys
in the world
2393
01:40:23,070 --> 01:40:25,237
and he hopes to achieve
his childhood dream
2394
01:40:25,238 --> 01:40:27,114
of bench-pressing
700 lbs.
2395
01:40:27,115 --> 01:40:29,573
But he and his wife
agreed
2396
01:40:29,574 --> 01:40:33,159
that this would be his
last meet on steroids.
2397
01:40:33,161 --> 01:40:35,911
I knew that she didn't
really care for it,
2398
01:40:35,912 --> 01:40:37,996
but i didn't know
it hurt her that much.
2399
01:40:37,997 --> 01:40:40,873
And I didn't know she
worried that much about it.
2400
01:40:40,875 --> 01:40:43,250
It's definitely something
that's not gonna be easy to do.
2401
01:40:43,251 --> 01:40:45,543
I don't necessarily want
to do it, but, you know,
2402
01:40:45,545 --> 01:40:47,419
if I just stay on it
and ignore her,
2403
01:40:47,420 --> 01:40:49,004
that's just
being selfish.
2404
01:40:49,005 --> 01:40:51,255
He's trying to have
another kid, so he decided
2405
01:40:51,257 --> 01:40:53,257
that this is gonna be
his last meet
2406
01:40:53,259 --> 01:40:55,383
that he ever
takes anything.
2407
01:40:55,384 --> 01:40:58,343
How do you think that'll
affect his lifting?
2408
01:40:58,345 --> 01:41:00,429
It'll affect it somewhat,
2409
01:41:00,430 --> 01:41:03,056
but once he tapers off
and has the child
2410
01:41:03,057 --> 01:41:04,890
he can go
right back on them.
2411
01:41:04,891 --> 01:41:07,142
But he doesn't want to go back
on them. His wife doesn't want him
2412
01:41:07,143 --> 01:41:08,893
to be on it at all
ever again.
2413
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:14,230
The death of Smelly.
2414
01:41:14,231 --> 01:41:16,232
You think so?
2415
01:41:16,233 --> 01:41:17,983
Smelly will go back on.
2416
01:41:17,984 --> 01:41:20,443
So you'll never
take it again?
2417
01:41:20,444 --> 01:41:22,235
- I'll never take 'em again?
- Yeah.
2418
01:41:22,236 --> 01:41:23,945
No, I probably will
take 'em again
2419
01:41:23,946 --> 01:41:26,405
- because this is something--
- How?
2420
01:41:26,406 --> 01:41:28,657
Well, I'll figure out
a way.
2421
01:41:28,658 --> 01:41:31,159
I mean, that's something I'll
have to talk out with Andee,
2422
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:32,993
but this is something
I've been--
2423
01:41:32,994 --> 01:41:35,536
I've been involved in power
lifting since I was 12 years old.
2424
01:41:35,537 --> 01:41:37,454
This is part of
what I like to do.
2425
01:41:37,456 --> 01:41:39,999
And I'm not gonna go
2426
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,249
from squatting 800 lbs
to squatting 700 lbs.
2427
01:41:42,251 --> 01:41:44,585
I'm gonna want to get
back on 'em for sure.
2428
01:41:44,586 --> 01:41:46,920
Which is kind of sad
'cause--
2429
01:41:46,922 --> 01:41:49,046
Well, you know, a lot of
people have to lie to get ahead.
2430
01:41:49,047 --> 01:41:52,465
That's just kind of
the way things work.
2431
01:41:52,466 --> 01:41:55,217
Well, we weren't
brought up as cheaters.
2432
01:41:57,429 --> 01:41:59,595
Well, I mean,
people aren't brought up
2433
01:41:59,597 --> 01:42:02,390
to rob a bank either. You're
not really trained to rob a bank
2434
01:42:02,391 --> 01:42:04,849
or you're not really
trained to do drugs
2435
01:42:04,850 --> 01:42:06,892
or taught to do drugs
or anything like that,
2436
01:42:06,893 --> 01:42:08,560
but just, you know, it's
kind of the way you end up.
2437
01:42:11,438 --> 01:42:12,938
Yeah!
Come on!
2438
01:42:12,939 --> 01:42:15,273
- MAN: Let's go, mark!
- MAN
2439
01:42:15,275 --> 01:42:17,317
- ( all cheering )
- MAN: Let's go, Mark. Come on!
2440
01:42:17,318 --> 01:42:19,485
- Come on!
- Go Mark!
2441
01:42:19,486 --> 01:42:21,986
( people continue cheering )
2442
01:42:21,988 --> 01:42:24,238
Go Mark!
Let's go, Mark!
2443
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:26,781
Come on,
you got this.
2444
01:42:26,783 --> 01:42:29,033
Come on, you got it!
Let's go, come on!
2445
01:42:29,034 --> 01:42:30,909
( all cheering )
2446
01:42:36,372 --> 01:42:38,039
- Yeah! Yeah!
- Yes! Yes!
2447
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,875
( cheering )
2448
01:42:44,420 --> 01:42:46,504
CHRIS: My baby
brother is on steroids
2449
01:42:46,505 --> 01:42:48,672
and we all know it.
2450
01:42:48,674 --> 01:42:51,633
But look at us. My dad looks
like he won the lottery.
2451
01:42:51,634 --> 01:42:54,843
And my mom's prayers
have been answered.
2452
01:42:54,844 --> 01:42:57,762
I was raised to believe
that cheaters never prosper,
2453
01:42:57,763 --> 01:43:01,056
but in America it seems
like cheaters always prosper.
2454
01:43:03,559 --> 01:43:07,643
The use of performance-enhancing
drugs like steroids
2455
01:43:07,644 --> 01:43:10,478
is dangerous and it
sends the wrong message
2456
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:13,897
that there are shortcuts
to accomplishment
2457
01:43:13,899 --> 01:43:17,734
And that performance is more
important than character.
2458
01:43:17,735 --> 01:43:19,861
CHRIS: There is a clash in America
2459
01:43:19,862 --> 01:43:22,321
Between doing the right
thing and being the best.
2460
01:43:22,323 --> 01:43:24,739
Americans play to win
all the time
2461
01:43:24,741 --> 01:43:27,450
because the very
thought of losing
2462
01:43:27,451 --> 01:43:30,034
is hateful
to Americans.
2463
01:43:30,035 --> 01:43:33,662
COMMENTATOR:
It is out of here!
2464
01:43:33,663 --> 01:43:37,582
756!
2465
01:43:37,583 --> 01:43:39,707
Bonds stands alone!
2466
01:43:39,709 --> 01:43:41,668
CHRIS: In a culture
where second place
2467
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:44,002
Is the first loser,
2468
01:43:44,004 --> 01:43:47,464
the real heroes are the
ones who win at all costs.
2469
01:43:47,465 --> 01:43:50,007
Everything I have--
my career,
2470
01:43:50,008 --> 01:43:52,384
my success,
my family--
2471
01:43:52,385 --> 01:43:54,218
I owe to America.
2472
01:43:57,763 --> 01:43:59,805
CHRIS:
This is America.
2473
01:43:59,807 --> 01:44:02,682
We're the greatest
country in the world.
2474
01:44:02,683 --> 01:44:05,685
You could call us
a nation on steroids.
2475
01:44:05,686 --> 01:44:08,353
But what are those
long-term side effects?
2476
01:44:08,354 --> 01:44:10,355
For me
and my brothers
2477
01:44:10,356 --> 01:44:13,190
steroids are not
the problem.
2478
01:44:13,191 --> 01:44:15,400
They're just another
side effect
2479
01:44:15,401 --> 01:44:17,027
of being American.
2480
01:44:20,488 --> 01:44:24,990
where are you now?
2481
01:44:24,992 --> 01:44:29,159
gone wrong somehow
2482
01:44:29,161 --> 01:44:33,163
these men of power
2483
01:44:33,164 --> 01:44:36,707
by the hour
2484
01:44:36,708 --> 01:44:38,875
2485
01:44:38,876 --> 01:44:40,918
2486
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,920
to the future
2487
01:44:43,921 --> 01:44:47,923
to go around
2488
01:44:47,924 --> 01:44:51,718
a land of confusion
2489
01:44:51,719 --> 01:44:54,553
2490
01:44:54,554 --> 01:44:58,973
we live in
2491
01:44:58,974 --> 01:45:02,642
the hands we're given
2492
01:45:02,643 --> 01:45:06,853
and let's start trying
2493
01:45:06,854 --> 01:45:08,229
2494
01:45:08,230 --> 01:45:10,313
2495
01:45:10,315 --> 01:45:11,982
2496
01:45:17,279 --> 01:45:19,403
2497
01:45:21,781 --> 01:45:24,366
2498
01:45:26,410 --> 01:45:27,617
2499
01:45:27,618 --> 01:45:29,285
2500
01:45:29,287 --> 01:45:30,995
2501
01:45:30,996 --> 01:45:33,705
2502
01:45:33,707 --> 01:45:35,707
2503
01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:40,627
2504
01:45:51,678 --> 01:45:53,928
2505
01:45:53,929 --> 01:45:55,679
2506
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,723
2507
01:45:58,724 --> 01:46:00,807
2508
01:46:00,809 --> 01:46:02,934
2509
01:46:02,936 --> 01:46:04,560
2510
01:46:04,561 --> 01:46:07,104
2511
01:46:07,106 --> 01:46:09,356
2512
01:46:09,357 --> 01:46:10,857
2513
01:46:10,858 --> 01:46:13,900
2514
01:46:13,901 --> 01:46:15,193
2515
01:46:15,195 --> 01:46:17,861
2516
01:46:17,863 --> 01:46:19,363
2517
01:46:19,365 --> 01:46:22,406
2518
01:46:22,407 --> 01:46:25,117
are going to
2519
01:46:27,912 --> 01:46:30,079
2520
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:31,080
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