1 00:00:06,540 --> 00:00:08,070 - There's something about the building. 2 00:00:08,141 --> 00:00:09,911 [Eerie whispering] 3 00:00:12,079 --> 00:00:14,649 Working at the capitol theatre, 4 00:00:14,714 --> 00:00:16,234 it did leave you with an eerie feeling. 5 00:00:18,385 --> 00:00:20,385 I'm not easily scared, 6 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:21,894 but it's a feeling of evil. 7 00:00:26,093 --> 00:00:28,893 It's mine to make sure it's secure, 8 00:00:28,962 --> 00:00:29,962 but I don't feel secure. 9 00:00:31,165 --> 00:00:32,355 - Wham. 10 00:00:32,432 --> 00:00:35,272 There is something definitely messing with me. 11 00:00:35,335 --> 00:00:36,395 [Demonic roar] 12 00:00:38,338 --> 00:00:40,008 - I know what I saw. 13 00:00:40,073 --> 00:00:42,743 It sure as heck wasn't in the job description. 14 00:00:42,810 --> 00:00:44,050 - There's something behind you. 15 00:00:52,452 --> 00:00:55,452 [Haunting music] 16 00:00:55,522 --> 00:01:03,202 ♪ ♪ 17 00:01:12,539 --> 00:01:15,309 - I've always to, you know, work in law enforcement. 18 00:01:15,375 --> 00:01:16,805 It's kind of a cliche thing, 19 00:01:16,877 --> 00:01:20,177 but I wanted to do it ever since I was a child. 20 00:01:20,247 --> 00:01:24,147 My job as a protective service officer 21 00:01:24,217 --> 00:01:29,647 is to watch over numerous county facilities, 22 00:01:29,723 --> 00:01:33,493 and my first assignment was the capitol theatre. 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,530 It's been around for a long time, 24 00:01:34,528 --> 00:01:36,728 the capitol theatre. 25 00:01:36,796 --> 00:01:39,526 It's a part of salt lake's history. 26 00:01:44,471 --> 00:01:45,471 - Thanks for the ride. 27 00:01:56,449 --> 00:01:57,619 - Come on in. 28 00:01:57,684 --> 00:02:00,524 - I met officer mathews. 29 00:02:00,521 --> 00:02:02,991 He was assigned to me about a week, two weeks, 30 00:02:03,056 --> 00:02:05,386 depending how long it took an individual 31 00:02:05,458 --> 00:02:07,788 to get accustomed to the building. 32 00:02:21,675 --> 00:02:23,505 He flipped the lights on. 33 00:02:23,577 --> 00:02:25,377 Then you truly get to see the theater, 34 00:02:25,445 --> 00:02:28,805 and it's just absolutely gorgeous. 35 00:02:28,882 --> 00:02:31,982 - It's amazing. 36 00:02:32,052 --> 00:02:33,852 - When officer Murphy first arrived, 37 00:02:33,921 --> 00:02:35,051 he was nervous. 38 00:02:35,122 --> 00:02:36,492 He was apprehensive, 39 00:02:36,556 --> 00:02:37,916 because it was a new job for him, 40 00:02:37,925 --> 00:02:39,685 but he was eager to learn, 41 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:42,459 so we jumped right into it. 42 00:02:42,529 --> 00:02:45,599 - There are surveillance cameras throughout the facility. 43 00:02:45,665 --> 00:02:47,925 - You can pull up anything you want, all right? 44 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:49,941 So you got your center stage. 45 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:52,073 Next one: Catacomb. 46 00:02:52,138 --> 00:02:54,468 Front door, important. - Okay. 47 00:02:54,541 --> 00:02:57,211 - So you literally could sit in the control room 48 00:02:57,277 --> 00:03:01,307 and monitor just about anywhere in the building. 49 00:03:01,381 --> 00:03:03,951 - Ready for a tour? - Let's do it. 50 00:03:06,419 --> 00:03:09,959 - I felt officer mathews didn't want to say a whole lot to me 51 00:03:10,023 --> 00:03:12,523 except for my duties. 52 00:03:17,731 --> 00:03:19,901 Now, the first time when you come on shift, 53 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:21,200 you lock everything down. 54 00:03:26,539 --> 00:03:27,849 - There are a lot of nooks and crannies 55 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:30,384 that anybody can be in, 56 00:03:30,443 --> 00:03:32,363 and so you want to make sure that you check them out 57 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:34,379 to make sure that there's nobody in there. 58 00:03:50,331 --> 00:03:53,031 - Bet you can't wait to be on your own. 59 00:03:58,305 --> 00:03:59,705 - I took him down into the basement, 60 00:03:59,773 --> 00:04:01,873 which is what we call the catacombs. 61 00:04:03,943 --> 00:04:05,683 - The basement is massive. 62 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:08,509 - Security lights. See these lights here? 63 00:04:08,581 --> 00:04:10,321 - There's a lot of rooms: 64 00:04:10,383 --> 00:04:11,953 Dressing rooms, locker rooms. 65 00:04:11,952 --> 00:04:13,352 There's maintenance, 66 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:14,550 the wood shop. 67 00:04:14,621 --> 00:04:16,121 - These are important. 68 00:04:16,189 --> 00:04:17,459 - So you would just go through, 69 00:04:17,524 --> 00:04:18,664 and you would test every doorknob 70 00:04:18,657 --> 00:04:21,457 to make sure that they were locked. 71 00:04:21,528 --> 00:04:24,298 And then you would work your way up into the different levels. 72 00:04:30,571 --> 00:04:32,171 - That's about it. 73 00:04:32,172 --> 00:04:34,312 - That's everything? 74 00:04:34,374 --> 00:04:35,814 - He was quiet. He was very quiet. 75 00:04:37,777 --> 00:04:40,207 - That's it. 76 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,480 - I just felt that he was holding something back. 77 00:04:58,565 --> 00:05:00,765 Finally I decided... I came to work one night. 78 00:05:00,768 --> 00:05:02,828 I thought, "I can do this on my own. 79 00:05:02,902 --> 00:05:04,342 It's not hard." 80 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:13,110 I had the building down. I knew what had to be done. 81 00:05:13,179 --> 00:05:15,279 I've got it down pat. 82 00:05:26,926 --> 00:05:30,396 So as I come up the west stairwell, 83 00:05:30,463 --> 00:05:32,233 now I'm on the third floor. 84 00:05:34,734 --> 00:05:36,474 And the building's all but locked down. 85 00:06:04,998 --> 00:06:07,928 [Eerie crackling] 86 00:06:16,609 --> 00:06:22,379 [Indistinct whispering] 87 00:06:22,383 --> 00:06:23,483 [Walkie-talkie clicks off] 88 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:24,550 [Indistinct whispering] 89 00:06:29,289 --> 00:06:30,489 I make my way down, 90 00:06:30,557 --> 00:06:34,157 and this is where the rehearsal rooms are. 91 00:06:40,533 --> 00:06:41,633 I stick my head in quickly 92 00:06:41,635 --> 00:06:44,635 just to make sure there's nobody there. 93 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:49,570 Everything was good. 94 00:06:49,642 --> 00:06:51,142 [Door slams] 95 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,850 Door slams behind me. 96 00:06:56,917 --> 00:06:58,817 I mean, with incredible force, it just... 97 00:06:58,885 --> 00:06:59,885 [Claps] 98 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:05,370 I'm looking to see if somebody ran down the hall, 99 00:07:05,391 --> 00:07:06,551 if they ran and hit the exit. 100 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:14,773 - Officer Murphy called me, 101 00:07:14,768 --> 00:07:17,298 and he says, "somebody just slammed a door up here." 102 00:07:17,370 --> 00:07:19,140 - Can you check the cameras? Over. 103 00:07:19,205 --> 00:07:20,605 - Copy that, checking now. 104 00:07:26,679 --> 00:07:28,479 I don't see anything. - Okay. 105 00:07:28,548 --> 00:07:29,548 - I'm coming now. 106 00:07:35,955 --> 00:07:37,455 - I'm thinking logically: 107 00:07:37,524 --> 00:07:39,324 "You can't slam the door. 108 00:07:39,392 --> 00:07:40,872 There's a hydraulic hinge on the top." 109 00:07:43,196 --> 00:07:44,556 So I start to remove my gun, 110 00:07:44,565 --> 00:07:47,495 and I got it in the ready position. 111 00:07:47,501 --> 00:07:50,301 [Clicking] 112 00:07:52,939 --> 00:07:55,709 I get this strong impression 113 00:07:55,775 --> 00:07:58,175 somebody's waiting for me. 114 00:07:58,245 --> 00:08:01,605 There is an individual in there. 115 00:08:01,681 --> 00:08:05,351 My adrenaline kicks in. 116 00:08:05,418 --> 00:08:06,528 It's my duty. I'm an officer. 117 00:08:06,553 --> 00:08:07,553 I'm gonna make sure. 118 00:08:20,066 --> 00:08:23,266 - I remember running as fast as I could 119 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:25,016 through the theater to get to where he was. 120 00:08:26,372 --> 00:08:28,042 And you got to understand, 121 00:08:28,107 --> 00:08:29,647 when somebody says, "there's somebody in here," 122 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:32,306 you believe them 110%. 123 00:08:36,583 --> 00:08:37,583 - I walk in. 124 00:08:47,494 --> 00:08:50,504 [Water dripping] 125 00:08:56,035 --> 00:08:59,535 I just get... this sickening feeling comes over me. 126 00:09:02,575 --> 00:09:05,005 And as soon as I come around the corner... 127 00:09:08,181 --> 00:09:09,611 I've got goose bumps. 128 00:09:26,766 --> 00:09:28,366 And this... 129 00:09:28,434 --> 00:09:29,834 This cold goes right through me. 130 00:09:33,807 --> 00:09:34,937 I'm freezing to death. 131 00:09:35,008 --> 00:09:36,608 [Water dripping] 132 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,280 - Sheriff's department. Come out now. 133 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:46,350 - It's a feeling of evil. 134 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,610 [Water dripping] 135 00:10:24,625 --> 00:10:26,615 - I can see the sink, I see the men's urinal, 136 00:10:26,627 --> 00:10:28,057 and I see the stalls. 137 00:10:28,127 --> 00:10:29,727 And I look underneath the stalls, 138 00:10:29,796 --> 00:10:31,256 and there's no feet there. 139 00:10:31,330 --> 00:10:33,670 There's... so I'm thinking maybe they're on... 140 00:10:33,733 --> 00:10:35,333 Standing on the toilets, trying to hide. 141 00:10:42,542 --> 00:10:43,542 Nobody's there. 142 00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:48,948 And that's when I turn, and I look at officer Murphy, 143 00:10:49,015 --> 00:10:50,745 and he's got this look of, like, 144 00:10:50,817 --> 00:10:53,647 "oh, boy, I messed this one up big-time." 145 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,920 - Nothing here, dude. 146 00:10:56,989 --> 00:10:58,489 - I'm not easily intimidated, 147 00:10:58,558 --> 00:11:02,658 but the feeling I had in the restroom was... 148 00:11:02,729 --> 00:11:04,299 I was... i was scared. 149 00:11:06,699 --> 00:11:08,769 - All right, better do a full sweep, 150 00:11:08,835 --> 00:11:10,225 see if anyone's hiding out. 151 00:11:10,237 --> 00:11:11,597 All right? - Okay. 152 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:14,071 - We decide, "okay, if there's somebody in this building, 153 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:15,070 we need to find 'em." 154 00:11:15,141 --> 00:11:17,241 - We go to the second floor. 155 00:11:37,997 --> 00:11:39,897 I'm standing there in amazement, 156 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:41,230 and I'm shocked. 157 00:11:41,234 --> 00:11:43,974 I mean, I had just turned those lights off. 158 00:11:44,036 --> 00:11:45,146 I mean, I'd just locked those doors. 159 00:11:45,171 --> 00:11:46,841 I secured that floor. 160 00:11:46,906 --> 00:11:49,006 Every light is on, 161 00:11:49,075 --> 00:11:50,675 and doors are open. 162 00:11:50,743 --> 00:11:54,183 - I just locked this door. 163 00:11:54,247 --> 00:11:55,977 Did you come up here earlier? - No. 164 00:12:06,092 --> 00:12:08,932 - I turned the lights off, I locked the door, 165 00:12:08,995 --> 00:12:10,185 and I went down the stairs. 166 00:12:10,197 --> 00:12:11,257 - I know I secured it. 167 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,470 It was kind of cold between, I felt, mathews and I 168 00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:20,208 the remainder of that evening. 169 00:12:23,109 --> 00:12:25,539 - I don't want to say I was holding something back, 170 00:12:25,611 --> 00:12:27,211 but there had been some unusual things 171 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,320 that had happened to me while working in the theater, 172 00:12:29,348 --> 00:12:31,748 and I just couldn't come out and tell him. 173 00:12:35,255 --> 00:12:36,315 I needed to keep my credibility 174 00:12:36,323 --> 00:12:37,393 as his training officer. 175 00:12:45,364 --> 00:12:48,934 - [Whispering] Help me. Help me. 176 00:12:49,001 --> 00:12:50,811 - I was sitting at my desk in the security room 177 00:12:50,837 --> 00:12:52,667 when I start to hear voices. 178 00:12:52,738 --> 00:12:55,908 [Voices whispering indistinctly] 179 00:12:55,975 --> 00:12:58,775 And when I'm talking voices, 180 00:12:58,845 --> 00:13:01,075 I'm not talking about how I'm talking right now, 181 00:13:01,147 --> 00:13:03,747 but these are conversations that are going on behind me... 182 00:13:03,816 --> 00:13:06,576 [Voices whispering indistinctly] 183 00:13:13,459 --> 00:13:14,589 [Imitates whispering] 184 00:13:14,660 --> 00:13:16,100 Like somebody's having a conversation 185 00:13:16,128 --> 00:13:17,258 and they want to keep it private. 186 00:13:17,264 --> 00:13:20,104 [Voices whispering indistinctly] 187 00:13:23,836 --> 00:13:25,036 When I turn around... 188 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,810 There's nobody there. 189 00:13:33,145 --> 00:13:36,205 [Voices whispering indistinctly] 190 00:13:36,282 --> 00:13:37,622 At this point, 191 00:13:37,684 --> 00:13:40,794 the hairs on the back of my neck are starting to prick up. 192 00:13:40,853 --> 00:13:43,993 - [Whispering] Now get... get out. 193 00:13:44,056 --> 00:13:45,656 [Coughing] 194 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:47,055 - My heart's going. 195 00:13:47,126 --> 00:13:49,156 - [Whispering] Help. 196 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:51,442 - And I'm thinking, "something really is messing with me..." 197 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:53,164 - I can't breathe. 198 00:13:53,166 --> 00:13:54,396 - "Something or someone." 199 00:13:56,702 --> 00:13:58,642 I know I'm not crazy. 200 00:13:58,704 --> 00:14:01,474 [Voices whispering indistinctly] 201 00:14:04,810 --> 00:14:06,840 - Get out. Get out of here. 202 00:14:06,913 --> 00:14:08,353 Get out of here. Get out. 203 00:14:08,414 --> 00:14:09,414 Get out of here. 204 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:15,193 - I went into the basement, 205 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:17,688 where all the dressing rooms are... 206 00:14:17,757 --> 00:14:18,787 No voices. 207 00:14:22,528 --> 00:14:25,028 It's almost cave-like. 208 00:14:25,097 --> 00:14:27,927 There was no windows. 209 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,240 There was no street access. 210 00:14:31,304 --> 00:14:32,304 You're trapped. 211 00:14:34,307 --> 00:14:37,137 And I smell something. 212 00:14:37,209 --> 00:14:39,739 And I recognize what that smell is. 213 00:14:41,514 --> 00:14:42,614 I smell smoke. 214 00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:54,088 That smoke smell is so constant, 215 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,060 the theater would've had to burn down multiple times. 216 00:14:58,064 --> 00:15:02,434 But I'm 100% positive 217 00:15:02,501 --> 00:15:04,001 there is nothing going on. 218 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:09,940 Something that's messing with you, 219 00:15:10,009 --> 00:15:13,609 that's playing mind tricks on you, 220 00:15:13,613 --> 00:15:15,853 you really begin to question your own self. 221 00:15:30,296 --> 00:15:32,226 - I had come on duty one night. 222 00:15:32,298 --> 00:15:33,928 It was... it was later in the afternoon, 223 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,800 so maybe 4:00, 5:00-ish, thereabouts, 224 00:15:36,869 --> 00:15:39,199 and I do my routine. 225 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:41,741 And there's a man... - That's interesting. 226 00:15:41,807 --> 00:15:42,937 - Standing at the end of the hall 227 00:15:42,943 --> 00:15:45,143 talking to two women. 228 00:15:45,211 --> 00:15:46,981 So I'm in the corridor, 229 00:15:47,046 --> 00:15:48,406 and I'm listening to the women 230 00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:50,521 tell this gentleman a story. 231 00:15:50,583 --> 00:15:53,453 - Well, these ghost stories and hauntings, 232 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,219 they've been going on for many, many years. 233 00:15:56,288 --> 00:15:58,258 - And I hear the word "ghost." 234 00:15:58,324 --> 00:15:59,124 That's got my attention now. 235 00:15:59,191 --> 00:16:00,191 - Excuse me, sir? 236 00:16:00,226 --> 00:16:02,626 - You know, I introduce myself to him. 237 00:16:02,695 --> 00:16:03,995 - Dave Murphy. 238 00:16:04,063 --> 00:16:05,763 I'm the new deputy here at the theater. 239 00:16:05,831 --> 00:16:08,671 - He says, "I'm Blair Fuller. I'm the senior accountant." 240 00:16:08,734 --> 00:16:10,234 - Would you mind if I asked you a few questions? 241 00:16:10,236 --> 00:16:12,236 - Sure. 242 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:13,674 Why don't you step into my office? 243 00:16:13,740 --> 00:16:15,010 - That'd be great. Thank you. 244 00:16:15,074 --> 00:16:16,814 - He was very curious after having heard 245 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:18,736 that I'd had some experiences there. 246 00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:20,041 - Have a seat right here. 247 00:16:20,112 --> 00:16:22,112 - So I began to share with him the story 248 00:16:22,115 --> 00:16:23,945 that happened to me as I was there 249 00:16:24,016 --> 00:16:25,616 working late at night. 250 00:16:25,684 --> 00:16:28,224 - I tend to get a lot more things done when I work late. 251 00:16:32,191 --> 00:16:36,291 - So I'm working at about 9:00 or 10:00 in the evening. 252 00:16:48,340 --> 00:16:52,910 Just outside of our main office is an elevator. 253 00:16:52,979 --> 00:16:55,249 When the motor kicks on for that, 254 00:16:55,314 --> 00:16:57,084 it's a very loud noise. 255 00:16:57,149 --> 00:16:59,119 [Motor whirring, elevator dings] 256 00:17:04,324 --> 00:17:06,094 [Elevator dings] 257 00:17:07,827 --> 00:17:09,327 - I'm there in the building alone, 258 00:17:09,395 --> 00:17:12,695 so I was very surprised to hear the elevator moving at night. 259 00:17:12,765 --> 00:17:14,725 [Elevator dings] 260 00:17:16,336 --> 00:17:19,066 The elevator reached our floor. 261 00:17:21,073 --> 00:17:22,273 [Elevator dings] 262 00:17:38,324 --> 00:17:40,934 [Elevator dings] 263 00:17:55,975 --> 00:18:00,435 [Loud buzzing] 264 00:18:00,513 --> 00:18:03,353 - It takes 30 to 40 seconds for an alarm to go off 265 00:18:03,415 --> 00:18:04,915 if the door stays open that long. 266 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,060 I walked out to the elevator to see what was going on. 267 00:18:11,123 --> 00:18:13,863 [Elevator alarm buzzing] 268 00:18:24,304 --> 00:18:25,774 I thought, "that's really odd. 269 00:18:25,838 --> 00:18:28,308 There's nothing blocking the door." 270 00:18:28,374 --> 00:18:30,984 I thought that it was most likely a malfunction. 271 00:18:31,043 --> 00:18:33,913 So I got on the elevator, 272 00:18:33,979 --> 00:18:35,949 and just as I'm about to leave the elevator... 273 00:18:36,015 --> 00:18:37,075 [Elevator dings] 274 00:18:37,149 --> 00:18:39,649 The basement button has lit. 275 00:18:48,227 --> 00:18:49,957 We're going down now three floors 276 00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:51,159 from where my office is 277 00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:52,260 to the basement. 278 00:18:52,265 --> 00:18:53,955 [Elevator dings] 279 00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:56,573 And this whole time, my mind is running. 280 00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:58,046 "What is going on with this elevator? 281 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:59,400 Why is it moving?" 282 00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:01,071 [Elevator dings] 283 00:19:05,211 --> 00:19:07,041 [Elevator dings] 284 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:10,782 [Elevator dings] 285 00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:13,922 We get to the basement. 286 00:19:16,822 --> 00:19:17,862 The doors open. 287 00:19:28,067 --> 00:19:29,327 There's nobody in the hallway. 288 00:19:32,204 --> 00:19:33,914 - Hello! 289 00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:40,650 [Indistinct whispering] 290 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:49,354 Hello! 291 00:19:57,563 --> 00:19:59,333 Is anyone there? 292 00:20:11,143 --> 00:20:13,013 - There was nobody that I could see, 293 00:20:13,078 --> 00:20:14,648 and I was very alone 294 00:20:14,647 --> 00:20:16,277 and very nervous at that point in time. 295 00:20:24,156 --> 00:20:27,116 [Motor whirring] 296 00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:33,296 - [Whispering] Help. 297 00:20:33,365 --> 00:20:34,595 [Coughing] 298 00:20:37,336 --> 00:20:39,136 - I went back and sat down at my desk, 299 00:20:39,204 --> 00:20:40,444 and then it even gets stranger. 300 00:20:43,009 --> 00:20:46,009 [Metallic scraping] 301 00:20:52,552 --> 00:20:55,352 [Metallic clanging] 302 00:21:00,059 --> 00:21:02,389 clang, 303 00:21:02,395 --> 00:21:03,555 clang. 304 00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,559 Clang, clang, clang, clang, 305 00:21:05,631 --> 00:21:07,901 clang, clang, clang. 306 00:21:07,967 --> 00:21:09,467 I was very, very scared. 307 00:21:09,535 --> 00:21:13,065 I tried to find every way I could 308 00:21:13,138 --> 00:21:14,768 to disprove what was going on... 309 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,170 What my eyes and my senses were telling me... 310 00:21:17,242 --> 00:21:18,342 And I couldn't do it. 311 00:21:20,813 --> 00:21:22,983 - If there's anything else you want to ask... 312 00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:25,449 - From what I'm hearing from Blair, 313 00:21:25,517 --> 00:21:29,987 I felt that somebody else has similar experiences to me. 314 00:21:30,055 --> 00:21:31,185 I'm not going crazy. 315 00:21:31,256 --> 00:21:32,816 Because that's one of the things I felt: 316 00:21:32,891 --> 00:21:33,991 I was going crazy. 317 00:21:44,203 --> 00:21:49,013 We're getting towards the end of my training period, 318 00:21:49,008 --> 00:21:53,108 and we're on the second tier of the auditorium, 319 00:21:53,178 --> 00:21:54,008 the seating area. 320 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,349 - Morgan? 321 00:21:56,415 --> 00:21:58,945 - What's up? 322 00:21:59,017 --> 00:22:01,017 - I said, "do you ever get the feeling 323 00:22:01,087 --> 00:22:03,117 you're being watched in this place?" 324 00:22:03,188 --> 00:22:04,788 - What do you mean? 325 00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:08,327 - Since I've started here, 326 00:22:08,394 --> 00:22:10,594 I've heard weird noises. 327 00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:13,332 Doors have slammed on me. 328 00:22:13,399 --> 00:22:16,969 - Lights are on in places where you know there's nobody. 329 00:22:17,035 --> 00:22:20,095 - I just have this... Just a feeling of dread. 330 00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:23,012 - That's kind of when he starts to open up to me. 331 00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:25,979 - And the voices... 332 00:22:26,045 --> 00:22:27,775 - And we just started having conversations 333 00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:30,006 about my experiences there. 334 00:22:30,082 --> 00:22:31,182 - What he's been hearing... 335 00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:33,050 - How long has this been happening to you? 336 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,319 - Since day one. 337 00:22:34,386 --> 00:22:36,116 - What he's been feeling... 338 00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:37,618 - And I think I'm right there... 339 00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:39,119 Gone. 340 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:40,261 - Once he opened up to me 341 00:22:40,326 --> 00:22:45,456 and we started exchanging stories, 342 00:22:45,465 --> 00:22:47,765 my good friend Greg came to mind. 343 00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:49,973 And he's got a gift, 344 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:54,095 an ability to see things. 345 00:22:54,173 --> 00:22:57,013 - Officer Murphy wanted to bring him in 346 00:22:57,076 --> 00:22:59,006 and see what he could find. 347 00:22:59,077 --> 00:23:01,077 - Greg. - Dave. 348 00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:02,807 - Nice to see you. 349 00:23:02,881 --> 00:23:05,081 - And I was like, "let's do it. I'm all for it." 350 00:23:05,151 --> 00:23:06,721 - This is my boss, Morgan. 351 00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:08,425 - Morgan, how are you? - Good to meet you. 352 00:23:08,487 --> 00:23:12,017 - I had known officer Murphy for probably 15 years. 353 00:23:12,091 --> 00:23:15,761 Shortly after he began working at the capitol theatre, 354 00:23:15,828 --> 00:23:16,928 I received a call from him. 355 00:23:16,995 --> 00:23:19,095 - Give you the grand tour? - Let's go. 356 00:23:19,165 --> 00:23:22,895 - And he invited me to come over. 357 00:23:22,968 --> 00:23:25,068 - I didn't tell him anything. 358 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:28,907 I didn't tell him about our experiences, nothing. 359 00:23:28,974 --> 00:23:30,474 He came in cold. 360 00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:40,781 - Looking around, 361 00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:44,620 I noted that there are many people standing there. 362 00:24:44,683 --> 00:24:45,983 - So I'm playing stupid. 363 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:47,945 I'm like, "what do you mean, Greg?" 364 00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:50,320 - The officers were oblivious. 365 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,229 - He said, "you didn't tell me this place was haunted, 366 00:24:58,297 --> 00:25:00,797 and they're not good." 367 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,600 - And from that point on, I was watching and listening 368 00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:06,539 to see if the things that I was going through 369 00:25:06,605 --> 00:25:08,205 could be validated through him. 370 00:25:12,211 --> 00:25:15,251 - There are stairs that lead down underneath the stage 371 00:25:15,314 --> 00:25:16,254 into the dressing area, 372 00:25:16,315 --> 00:25:19,945 into the actors' dressing rooms. 373 00:25:20,018 --> 00:25:22,918 So we went down. 374 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:27,560 - So we're looking down the hallway... 375 00:25:29,494 --> 00:25:32,064 And we notice one of the doors is open. 376 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,396 And it's open, you know, a good foot. 377 00:25:45,244 --> 00:25:46,584 [Door slams] 378 00:25:46,645 --> 00:25:48,945 Wham, that door shut so hard and so fast. 379 00:25:49,014 --> 00:25:50,284 - Mathews turns to me, 380 00:25:50,349 --> 00:25:53,119 and he's got that "holy crap" look on his face. 381 00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:56,815 - Both officer Murphy and I reach for our weapons. 382 00:25:58,291 --> 00:25:59,921 - Cover? - Gotcha. 383 00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:11,134 [Door handle rattling] 384 00:26:11,203 --> 00:26:12,743 - The door handle started rattling. 385 00:26:12,804 --> 00:26:14,074 [Door handle rattling] 386 00:26:14,073 --> 00:26:17,373 - Three of us are seeing, hearing 387 00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:19,276 something physical happen. 388 00:26:30,022 --> 00:26:32,662 - Doors slams, and then all of a sudden, 389 00:26:32,724 --> 00:26:34,294 this door is shaking like crazy. 390 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,829 You check the room out. There's nothing there. 391 00:26:36,895 --> 00:26:39,095 I mean, how do you explain it? 392 00:26:39,164 --> 00:26:40,764 - It's weird. 393 00:26:42,534 --> 00:26:47,144 - They were both very, very rattled at that point. 394 00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:49,265 Both officers were very, very rattled. 395 00:26:49,341 --> 00:26:50,611 - You see now? 396 00:26:50,676 --> 00:26:52,276 Do you see? Do you see? 397 00:26:52,344 --> 00:26:53,624 - It's been happening every night. 398 00:26:53,645 --> 00:26:56,275 - How can you talk about your feelings 399 00:26:56,348 --> 00:26:58,118 other than just like... [Exhales] 400 00:26:58,117 --> 00:27:01,987 "Whoa, you know, this is really happening right now"? 401 00:27:05,323 --> 00:27:07,193 - We started down the hall. 402 00:27:10,095 --> 00:27:13,455 And as we proceeded forward, it got warmer. 403 00:27:13,532 --> 00:27:16,102 - Greg is hitting a hot spot 404 00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:18,438 where I know that there's something there, 405 00:27:18,503 --> 00:27:19,943 because I can always smell the smoke. 406 00:27:24,342 --> 00:27:25,982 - I said to Dave and officer mathews, 407 00:27:26,044 --> 00:27:27,914 "has there been a fire in this building?" 408 00:27:30,716 --> 00:27:32,776 And they said, "why do you ask?" 409 00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:34,091 And I said, "I can smell smoke." 410 00:27:43,562 --> 00:27:46,132 - Greg, you all right? 411 00:27:46,198 --> 00:27:48,398 - Shine the light in this corner for me. 412 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:49,467 - I saw a young man. 413 00:27:52,537 --> 00:27:55,237 - I don't see anything. 414 00:27:55,307 --> 00:27:57,067 - It's right there. 415 00:27:58,577 --> 00:28:00,577 - I don't see anything. 416 00:28:00,579 --> 00:28:02,079 - It's dark. 417 00:28:02,147 --> 00:28:04,977 We're the only three people in the basement at that time. 418 00:28:04,984 --> 00:28:06,384 There is nobody else in the theater. 419 00:28:11,957 --> 00:28:12,987 Both officer Murphy and I 420 00:28:13,058 --> 00:28:14,588 just kind of looked at each other. 421 00:28:14,593 --> 00:28:16,293 [Exhales] 422 00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:20,997 It was unbelievable. 423 00:28:21,066 --> 00:28:22,596 I mean, everything that he had told us, 424 00:28:22,601 --> 00:28:24,941 everything that had happened to us previously 425 00:28:25,003 --> 00:28:28,073 and had happened to us that night... 426 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:29,670 You know, it was validation. 427 00:28:29,742 --> 00:28:33,282 - But it sure as heck wasn't in the job description. 428 00:28:40,819 --> 00:28:42,919 - You know, after Greg had left, 429 00:28:42,922 --> 00:28:45,392 things just kind of got more and more crazy. 430 00:28:45,457 --> 00:28:49,127 The thing that really pushed it over the edge for me 431 00:28:49,194 --> 00:28:51,764 was that the county had just installed a brand-new camera... 432 00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:53,930 Security camera. 433 00:28:53,999 --> 00:28:56,469 It was an infrared camera, so when the lights were off, 434 00:28:56,469 --> 00:28:58,549 you could actually see what was going on in the dark. 435 00:29:04,042 --> 00:29:05,712 As I'm sitting there, 436 00:29:05,778 --> 00:29:10,578 I notice that there is something sitting in one of the rows. 437 00:29:14,953 --> 00:29:17,853 I maximize that screen 438 00:29:17,923 --> 00:29:19,723 so it's full screen on the computer monitor, 439 00:29:19,791 --> 00:29:22,531 and there's a figure. 440 00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:24,194 It looks like he's enjoying a show. 441 00:29:30,168 --> 00:29:31,248 And then all of a sudden... 442 00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:36,640 [Demonic roar] 443 00:29:36,642 --> 00:29:38,082 He just shoots across the sky. 444 00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:41,605 He's going... [Roars] 445 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,810 As he's going across. 446 00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:47,424 And that... that scared me. 447 00:29:49,521 --> 00:29:50,791 And from that point on, 448 00:29:50,856 --> 00:29:55,486 I would not work in the theater, 449 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,560 because if there's something that is that demonic, 450 00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,900 I don't want to be around it. 451 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:06,603 - Well, you always feel comfortable 452 00:30:06,671 --> 00:30:08,611 if you have a partner, 453 00:30:08,673 --> 00:30:09,673 if you have a backup. 454 00:30:12,978 --> 00:30:15,908 There's nobody now to back me up. 455 00:30:15,981 --> 00:30:17,111 I'm alone now. 456 00:30:18,884 --> 00:30:20,784 On the night I would come in: 457 00:30:20,852 --> 00:30:22,452 Lock, turn the lights off. 458 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,560 Come back two hours later. 459 00:30:25,591 --> 00:30:26,591 Lights are on... 460 00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:31,127 Doors are open, 461 00:30:31,196 --> 00:30:33,796 and nobody's in the building. 462 00:30:33,866 --> 00:30:37,926 Now I've got to search the basement. 463 00:30:37,937 --> 00:30:39,597 It's mine to make sure it's safe. 464 00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:40,841 It's secure. 465 00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:44,041 But I don't feel secure. 466 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,970 - It was a quiet evening, 467 00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:12,466 and I'm in the control room. 468 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:13,577 - Yeah, I'm still at work. 469 00:31:16,074 --> 00:31:19,584 And I hear music, like, ragtime music. 470 00:31:19,578 --> 00:31:22,578 [Ragtime piano music] 471 00:31:22,647 --> 00:31:24,647 - Hold on. I'll call you right back. 472 00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:26,816 - Everything's locked. I'd gone through the building. 473 00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:27,975 I checked. 474 00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,027 There was nobody in the building. 475 00:31:29,054 --> 00:31:32,094 [Ragtime piano music] 476 00:31:32,157 --> 00:31:38,697 ♪ ♪ 477 00:31:38,763 --> 00:31:40,603 The music wasn't coming from the auditorium. 478 00:31:40,666 --> 00:31:46,296 ♪ ♪ 479 00:31:46,371 --> 00:31:49,511 [Music loudens] 480 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:57,574 ♪ ♪ 481 00:31:57,949 --> 00:32:00,979 I made my way down the east-side stairwell, 482 00:32:01,052 --> 00:32:02,522 and the music's getting louder. 483 00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:10,587 ♪ ♪ 484 00:32:12,197 --> 00:32:14,327 If I could come around the corner 485 00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:16,573 and see a prankster on the piano... 486 00:32:16,634 --> 00:32:18,774 ♪ ♪ 487 00:32:18,837 --> 00:32:21,097 I'd breathe a sigh of relief. 488 00:32:21,172 --> 00:32:29,172 ♪ ♪ 489 00:32:30,815 --> 00:32:32,845 [Loud slam, music stops] 490 00:32:44,396 --> 00:32:46,256 Where's the individual? 491 00:33:06,618 --> 00:33:09,018 [Piano cover slams] 492 00:33:11,289 --> 00:33:13,959 I witnessed enough. I didn't have to see any more. 493 00:33:16,895 --> 00:33:18,495 Who am I gonna call, dispatch? 494 00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:22,085 The piano's playing and nobody's in the building? 495 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:25,395 I don't want to be in the building. 496 00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:26,500 I just want to get out. 497 00:33:32,577 --> 00:33:35,807 The next day I went and saw my sergeant, and I said, 498 00:33:35,881 --> 00:33:38,111 "if you ever put me in that theater again, 499 00:33:38,117 --> 00:33:39,477 I'll quit." 500 00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:51,934 - I've been a police officer for about 5 1/2 years. 501 00:33:51,996 --> 00:33:54,596 At this time, I was in protective services division. 502 00:33:58,503 --> 00:34:00,043 First time I worked at capitol theatre, 503 00:34:00,105 --> 00:34:02,505 I'm walking downstairs to the basement area. 504 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:09,349 I had already cleared the building, 505 00:34:09,414 --> 00:34:11,384 made sure no one was inside, doors were locked. 506 00:34:18,289 --> 00:34:19,629 - I was in the patrol car that night, 507 00:34:19,657 --> 00:34:22,827 making sure the other officers were safe, 508 00:34:22,894 --> 00:34:24,634 everything was okay. 509 00:34:24,696 --> 00:34:25,626 - How's it going over there? 510 00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:27,897 - Just doing the rounds. 511 00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:29,626 - I just thought I'd check up on you. 512 00:34:29,701 --> 00:34:32,571 First night and all. 513 00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:34,441 [Motor whirring] 514 00:34:38,042 --> 00:34:40,112 [Elevator dings] 515 00:34:40,178 --> 00:34:41,608 - Murphy, the elevator's moving. 516 00:34:44,315 --> 00:34:47,215 I know it's impossible, but it's moving. 517 00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:48,815 - I'm on my way. 518 00:34:48,887 --> 00:34:51,957 [Siren wailing] 519 00:34:55,727 --> 00:34:56,887 - I race over to the theater. 520 00:35:00,565 --> 00:35:01,565 [Elevator dings] 521 00:35:04,169 --> 00:35:05,469 [Elevator dings] 522 00:35:06,905 --> 00:35:09,665 [Siren wailing] 523 00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:13,536 [Elevator dings] 524 00:35:13,611 --> 00:35:15,951 [Door clattering] 525 00:35:21,486 --> 00:35:23,416 - There's no one there. 526 00:35:23,488 --> 00:35:26,488 And that kind of just freaked me out. 527 00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:27,558 [Siren wailing] 528 00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:29,655 - I got there as quickly as I could, 529 00:35:29,661 --> 00:35:32,331 but that night, 530 00:35:32,331 --> 00:35:33,811 I had no desire to be in the building. 531 00:35:35,166 --> 00:35:36,566 He meets me at the door. 532 00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:38,395 I mean, his eyes were huge. 533 00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:40,069 I mean, his expression was... 534 00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:45,438 - As soon as he arrived, 535 00:35:45,444 --> 00:35:48,244 I let him know that I haven't seen anyone leave. 536 00:35:48,247 --> 00:35:49,747 Let's go ahead and clear the building. 537 00:35:49,814 --> 00:35:52,484 So we got our guns drawn, and we're going through. 538 00:36:05,263 --> 00:36:08,003 [Eerie whispering] 539 00:36:09,567 --> 00:36:10,467 - Did you see that? 540 00:36:10,469 --> 00:36:11,629 - I look in the mirror, 541 00:36:11,703 --> 00:36:13,413 and all of a sudden, I see something run by. 542 00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:15,768 I look at Murphy. 543 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,440 "Did you just see that?" 544 00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:18,508 - I don't see nothing. 545 00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:27,920 - You take the right. I'll take the left. 546 00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:33,388 - I go towards the stage door. 547 00:36:33,458 --> 00:36:34,618 That's quite a distance away. 548 00:36:42,601 --> 00:36:44,271 [Lightbulb crackles] 549 00:36:46,804 --> 00:36:49,014 [Indistinct whispering] 550 00:36:49,073 --> 00:36:50,613 - What'd you say? 551 00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:52,609 - All of a sudden, I hear a whisper. 552 00:36:52,611 --> 00:36:54,741 - Didn't say anything. 553 00:36:54,812 --> 00:36:57,752 - And I noticed he's clear on the other side of the stage. 554 00:36:57,815 --> 00:36:59,615 - Quit messing with me, man. 555 00:36:59,618 --> 00:37:00,678 - I said, "what?" 556 00:37:02,321 --> 00:37:03,851 He says, 557 00:37:03,921 --> 00:37:05,921 "you just whispered in my ear." 558 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:07,520 - I get it. It's creepy. 559 00:37:07,526 --> 00:37:09,956 - And he's got his back turned towards the back of the stage, 560 00:37:10,028 --> 00:37:11,658 and I'm looking at the auditorium 561 00:37:11,729 --> 00:37:13,929 where all the seats are at. 562 00:37:13,999 --> 00:37:16,929 - Murphy, there's something behind you. 563 00:37:32,383 --> 00:37:36,323 - Murphy, there's something behind you. 564 00:37:36,387 --> 00:37:37,387 - I turn around slow. 565 00:37:47,332 --> 00:37:48,332 [Demonic roar] 566 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,444 - Holy cow, this... what is this? 567 00:37:52,503 --> 00:37:54,443 - I didn't want to see it. 568 00:37:54,505 --> 00:37:57,505 - I pulled out my flashlight, and I point it at it, 569 00:37:57,575 --> 00:37:59,435 and it disappears. 570 00:37:59,510 --> 00:38:02,350 - There's nothing there. 571 00:38:02,413 --> 00:38:05,353 - I know I'm not just seeing this. 572 00:38:05,416 --> 00:38:06,876 The eyes were deep-socketed, 573 00:38:06,885 --> 00:38:08,745 and it was just looking right at me, 574 00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:10,690 and that kind of just freaked me out. 575 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:18,133 - Now, I wanted to find out 576 00:38:18,196 --> 00:38:19,556 who these beings were 577 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,960 or the stories that were circulating, 578 00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:23,697 so I went back, 579 00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:25,398 and I talked to staff. 580 00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:27,140 I mean, I talked to a lot of people, 581 00:38:27,205 --> 00:38:30,405 but they weren't saying a whole lot. 582 00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:31,469 So as I was leaving, 583 00:38:31,542 --> 00:38:33,012 this man came out. 584 00:38:33,011 --> 00:38:35,511 - Officer Murphy. 585 00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:37,550 - He handed me a piece of paper. 586 00:38:37,615 --> 00:38:40,645 He said, "contact this man if he's still alive." 587 00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:59,169 Doug Morgan is a stagehand who had worked there. 588 00:38:59,237 --> 00:39:00,997 He'd probably been around the capitol theatre 589 00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:02,372 a good 40 years. 590 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,210 - I remember having Dave come to the house. 591 00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:12,678 He had stories that he wanted to fill up little holes 592 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:14,850 in the stories he had heard. 593 00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:16,853 - Doug, thanks again for having me. 594 00:39:16,855 --> 00:39:18,315 - And I said, "Doug, you know, 595 00:39:18,323 --> 00:39:21,793 "this is what's been happening to me over there, 596 00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:23,359 and people think I'm crazy." 597 00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:25,328 I said, "can you shed some light?" 598 00:39:25,396 --> 00:39:28,256 - Haven't opened this case in a lot of years. 599 00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:33,673 - I first started working at the theater in 1948. 600 00:39:33,738 --> 00:39:36,138 I was an Usher at that time. 601 00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:41,679 Well, one day, I was running some errands. 602 00:39:41,746 --> 00:39:44,376 And when I returned, 603 00:39:44,449 --> 00:39:48,849 I found the capitol theatre surrounded with fire trucks. 604 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,490 - This is a photo. 605 00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:54,488 - I'm like, "fire?" 606 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:55,559 - Fire, yes. 607 00:39:59,831 --> 00:40:04,071 I got back. That's the scene I saw. 608 00:40:04,135 --> 00:40:06,335 - The fire itself started in the basement. 609 00:40:09,607 --> 00:40:13,037 That afternoon, there was a movie being shown, 610 00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:15,510 and at least 600 people 611 00:40:15,514 --> 00:40:19,084 had to be evacuated from the theater. 612 00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:22,020 - Well, Dougie had told me that he knew another boy 613 00:40:22,086 --> 00:40:23,716 by the name of Richard duffin. 614 00:40:26,624 --> 00:40:29,334 - Richard duffin was a new Usher. 615 00:40:29,394 --> 00:40:35,434 He went back in to help the folks that were still lost. 616 00:40:39,604 --> 00:40:43,374 Well, Richard was trapped in that basement 617 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:47,211 and very possibly lost his way 618 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:50,378 and was overcome by this smoke 619 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:53,118 while he was trying to help these people get out. 620 00:40:57,622 --> 00:40:59,892 - There it was in black and white: 621 00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:01,587 Back in the '40s, 622 00:41:01,659 --> 00:41:04,089 the fire in the capitol theatre 623 00:41:04,162 --> 00:41:06,662 and the boy... The young boy, duffin... 624 00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:08,725 The Usher that died in the fire. 625 00:41:12,937 --> 00:41:15,237 - I think that duffin was a very brave man. 626 00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:20,535 - Doug Morgan verified everything I saw 627 00:41:20,611 --> 00:41:21,911 and everything I witnessed. 628 00:41:21,979 --> 00:41:23,519 - Well, Doug, thanks very much for seeing me. 629 00:41:23,548 --> 00:41:25,348 - Well, thanks for coming over, Dave. 630 00:41:25,416 --> 00:41:27,216 - This man almost brought me to tears, 631 00:41:27,285 --> 00:41:30,115 because I knew... 632 00:41:30,121 --> 00:41:33,221 I knew before, I wasn't crazy. 633 00:41:33,291 --> 00:41:35,391 To this day, I know I'm not crazy. 634 00:41:38,362 --> 00:41:40,362 - It just made sense with everything, you know, 635 00:41:40,431 --> 00:41:41,801 everything that I'd gone through. 636 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,530 A shaking door: 637 00:41:43,601 --> 00:41:45,111 Someone's trapped, and they're trying to get out. 638 00:41:45,136 --> 00:41:46,396 [Door handle rattling] 639 00:41:46,471 --> 00:41:49,211 Here's this fire that killed somebody, 640 00:41:49,273 --> 00:41:51,373 and yet I can still smell smoke. 641 00:41:54,879 --> 00:41:56,549 - I had been told by other officers, 642 00:41:56,614 --> 00:41:58,584 "you need to learn to shut your mouth." 643 00:41:58,649 --> 00:42:01,649 Mm-mm, I can't. 644 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,919 They were thinking I was making this up. 645 00:42:04,989 --> 00:42:07,119 I wanted to prove them wrong. 646 00:42:11,495 --> 00:42:13,255 I know what I saw. 647 00:42:13,331 --> 00:42:15,601 I know what I felt. 648 00:42:15,666 --> 00:42:23,666 These things... That's a part of my life now.