1 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Are you ready? 2 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,439 Ms O'Riordan, this is a really serious offence. 3 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,679 You understand this, yes? 4 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,399 Yeah. 5 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,479 Has the victim made a statement? Yes, sir. 6 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,039 She says, "I knew Orla meant me no harm 7 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,519 "and I beg you to go easy on her." 8 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,439 Thank you. 9 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,559 Ms O'Riordan, the tariff starts at 35 days plus another seven 10 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,999 because you physically took hold of the victim. 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,239 But there are some mitigating factors. 12 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,279 Your children going into care is one. 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,079 Your good behaviour... 14 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,319 Excellent, you said, Officer Martin? Yes, sir. 15 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:07,119 Your excellent behaviour. 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,039 And, of course, the fact that you pleaded guilty. 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,080 Mrs O'Riordan, you will serve an extra 20 days in prison. 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Thanks. 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Thank you. 20 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:45,520 You're back, then? 21 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,360 You delivered Kelsey's baby? 22 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,359 Yeah. 23 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,600 No officer, or...? 24 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,200 No. They were all watching your little show, weren't they? 25 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,680 I didn't know. 26 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,720 I'm sorry. 27 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,920 Oh, my God. 28 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,200 Aw, wow! 29 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:36,480 Look at him. 30 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,479 He's perfect. 31 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,520 Yeah, he is. 32 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:45,319 Would you like to hold him? 33 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,679 Oh, no... No, please, hold him. 34 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,360 Please. I'd like you to. 35 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,799 Are you sure? Yeah, I'd really like that. 36 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,639 All right. 37 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:57,079 There you go. 38 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,640 Sh... Ooh, shh... 39 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,319 Aw! It's OK... 40 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,040 There you go. 41 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,479 Oh, Kelsey. 42 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,159 He's only little, but he's a right milk monster. 43 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,840 Are you feeding him yourself? Yeah. I am, yeah. Mm. 44 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,560 What's his name? 45 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,280 Daniel. 46 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,440 I can't... It's OK, it's OK. 47 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,440 There he is. 48 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,559 You let me down, Adam. 49 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,279 You got it anyway, babe. 50 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,239 You got the mother and baby unit. 51 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,799 Yeah, no thanks to you. You've let me down big time. 52 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,879 Where is he now, babe? 53 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,039 Where's the baby? 54 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,160 He's asleep. 55 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,159 Let me come and see him, Kels. 56 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,639 Yeah? 57 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,399 Let me come and see little baby Adam. 58 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,320 It's Daniel. 59 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,439 I thought you were going to name him Adam. 60 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:23,839 After me. 61 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:25,679 Well, I didn't. It's Daniel. 62 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,439 And it's too late to change that now. 63 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,440 That's OK, babe. Just... 64 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,839 ..let me come and see little Daniel. 65 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:34,919 I've got to go. 66 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,999 No, look. Listen, Kels... 67 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,640 He's crying. Babe... 68 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,239 I think he's got a little bit of wind, 69 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,119 his little legs keep lifting up. 70 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,520 Oh, baba, come here. There you go. 71 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,119 Is it wind hurting my baba? Is it? 72 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,599 Is it wind? 73 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Come here. 74 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,399 Hi, Maeve. Hi, miss. 75 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,559 Do you mind if I close this? 76 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,479 What's it about? Is it bad news? 77 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,039 No. Well, nothing to do with your family or anyone, 78 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,439 so do you mind? 79 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,159 Right. Yeah. 80 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,799 Lou's had a bit of good news. 81 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,000 A card from her son, yeah. Great. 82 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,959 You two still close? Yeah. 83 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,599 Not had a fallout? 84 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,040 No. Why? 85 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Maeve, her son didn't send that card. Someone else did. 86 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,799 How do you know that? 87 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,959 I phoned him. Right. 88 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,479 And why are you telling ME this? What...? 89 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,680 You think I sent it? 90 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,799 I think someone you know sent it. 91 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,200 Someone on the outside. 92 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,119 Why would they do that? 93 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,040 Because you asked them to. 94 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,080 I only did it to see her face light up. 95 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,999 I know. 96 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,840 I know you didn't do it maliciously. 97 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,280 So what are you going to do about it? 98 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,760 I don't know. 99 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,799 No Kyle? 100 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:36,920 No. 101 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,560 Can I get you a drink? No, I'm all right. Hey. 102 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,559 What...?! I don't want it! 103 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:58,839 What? Take it back. 104 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,799 Don't be so stupid. You're the stupid one. Shh! 105 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,519 What have I done? You prick. What have I done? 106 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,839 You know I've packed it in. 107 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:08,719 You're always saying that, Kelsey. 108 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,199 No, I HAVE packed in this time. 109 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,999 You're going to have to come with us, Morgan. Wha...? No, I didn't... 110 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,359 Listen, I... Will you sit down and remain seated, please? 111 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,319 I didn't mean for any of this. It wasn't planned... He's passed you something 112 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,479 and we need to see what it is. It's something we used to do, but 113 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,199 he didn't know I didn't want to do it any more. Move, please. Kelsey. 114 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,239 Everyone knows I've packed it in! 115 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,999 Ask anyone in this nick and they'll tell you that I've packed it in. 116 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,359 But he didn't believe that, that's why he done this. It's not me. 117 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,039 It's got nowt to do with me, it's him! 118 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,319 In you go. 119 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,120 They'll take the baby off her. 120 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,440 Can they do that? 121 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,039 Oh, yes. 122 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,039 It wasn't my idea, honest. 123 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,999 Sit down. Take it out and show it to us, please. It wasn't! 124 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,879 I didn't know he was going to do it. If I did, I'd've done it properly. 125 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,679 Sit down. Take it out... I would've swallowed it... 126 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,359 ..and show it to me, please. And you wouldn't have seen anything. 127 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,080 Show it to me, please, Kelsey. 128 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,119 Could you take her through, please? 129 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,000 What's going to happen? What's going to happen, miss? 130 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,360 Shh... 131 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Erm, listen. I've been seeing someone. 132 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,279 Right. 133 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,800 Sahira. 134 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,359 How long have you been together? 135 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,040 About 18 months now. 136 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,480 Serious, then? 137 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,040 Yeah. 138 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,759 What does she do? 139 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,279 Uh, she's... 140 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,199 She's a nurse. Yeah. Yes. 141 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,080 At your hospital. Yes. 142 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,920 Why are you smiling? 143 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:33,119 Just am. Yeah. 144 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,840 Well, she's pregnant. 145 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,199 Yeah, so, um... 146 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,560 I just... I need to ask you something. 147 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,319 What was the biggest thing that I did wrong? 148 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,839 Nothing. 149 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,799 Nothing, you're not to blame in any way... I was. ..whatsoever. 150 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,720 And I...know that I did a lot of things wrong... 151 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,360 ..but...what was the biggest? 152 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,440 The harder I found it, the more you looked away. 153 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,799 Right, erm... 154 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,519 Someone from children's services is coming 155 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,359 and they're going to take the baby for a while. For a while? Yeah. 156 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,479 Will I get him back? Yeah. 157 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,680 When? 158 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,279 When will I get him back? 159 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,639 I don't know. 160 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,359 I'm never going to get him back, then, if you say it like that... 161 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,519 Don't start thinking that. Well, when, then? 162 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,439 You just keep doing what you're doing, keep your head straight, 163 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,599 and you'll get him back, but today... 164 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,439 They're not getting him. You put it in the baby's clothing. 165 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,079 Maybe if you hadn't have done that... I panicked! Didn't I? 166 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Didn't know what I was doing! 167 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,879 Should you feed him? 168 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,799 No. Because he's not going nowhere. 169 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,239 I know you love him. 170 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,879 I love him more than anything. 171 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,279 Then hand him over, 172 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,439 because if you resist, they're still going to have to take him... 173 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,959 They're not taking him. ..and it might hurt him. 174 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,159 This is not the end. They're not getting him! 175 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,399 It might take a bit of time, but you can get him back. 176 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,199 They're not getting him! It's definitely not the end... 177 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,839 They're not getting him. ..honestly. They're not getting him! 178 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,559 But the...first thing you've got to do... They're not taking him! 179 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,919 ..is hand him over peacefully. They're not getting him! 180 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,119 Because if you resist, i-it could ruin your chances 181 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,759 of ever getting him back... You like your job, do you? 182 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,039 Yeah. But you like this most of all, don't you? 183 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,440 Taking babies off mothers! 184 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,320 You couldn't be more wrong. 185 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,440 Why did you do it? 186 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,880 I mean, there was your mother. Right? 187 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,560 "I can't cope, Mum. Can you come and stay?" 188 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,240 That's better than... 189 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,479 Did you just not think of that? 190 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,039 How far gone is she? 191 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,399 Or the woman next door. You know, she's an experienced mother. 192 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,519 All you had to do was say, "I need a little bit of help." 193 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,639 But you... Did you just not think of that? 194 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,400 Why did you do it? 195 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,560 For fuck's sake, Abi. 196 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,280 I mean, yeah, as bad as I was... 197 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,640 ..why did you do it? 198 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,880 I don't know. 199 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,640 Yeah... 200 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,440 Shall I take him? 201 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,360 Can I? 202 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:04,600 Come on. 203 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,600 I'm sorry, Kels. 204 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,200 Do you want your baby back, Kels? 205 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,640 Yeah. Yeah? 206 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Then keep off that stuff. 207 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,680 Thanks. 208 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,240 Hi. 209 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,440 Come on in, Lou. 210 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,600 Who's dead? 211 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:33,960 No-one. 212 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,720 What's all this, then? 213 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,880 You sent that card? 214 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,400 I'm so sorry. 215 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,200 I'm so, so, so, so sorry. 216 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,040 I didn't do it to hurt her. 217 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,680 It wasn't a wind-up or anything like that. 218 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,359 Hello? 219 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,239 Hi, Kyle. 220 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,480 Grandma's died. 221 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:39,919 When? 222 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Really early...this morning. 223 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,800 The hospice phoned. 224 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Right. 225 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,320 What did she want? Burial or...? Crem. 226 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,919 Definitely a crem. 227 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,080 Will you come to it? 228 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,360 I'll ask. 229 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,919 But I might be in handcuffs. 230 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,880 Why? Erm... 231 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,439 Because I got into a bit of trouble. 232 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,320 I'll see you, though. 233 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,639 Won't I? I'll see you? 234 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,039 I need to go. 235 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,919 The family would like to pass on their thanks 236 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,159 to the Willow Care Hospice 237 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,919 who looked after Elizabeth and made her as comfortable as possible 238 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,039 in her final months. 239 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,680 Elizabeth had a lot of love for her four shining lights. 240 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,399 Kyle, 241 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,439 Callum, Nancy and Orla. 242 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,399 And one of them, her daughter Orla, 243 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,920 is now going to say a few of her own words. 244 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:07,680 Thank you. 245 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,519 Well, I'm not telling any secrets 246 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,879 when I say me mam were fond of a drink. 247 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,039 Hey, but we all make mistakes. 248 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,600 She were an alcoholic. 249 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,639 She'd been one all me life, me mam. 250 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,760 She fought it, but... 251 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,600 ..she very rarely won. 252 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,720 But there were this one day... 253 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,120 Kyle's first Holy Communion. 254 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,719 We'd been to Mass and were coming back t'church hall 255 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,199 and they opened the bar. 256 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,520 And I weren't expecting that, and me mam weren't. 257 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,080 And I thought, "If she touches one drop... 258 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,840 "..I'm going and I'm taking Kyle wi' me." 259 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,239 I mean, Kyle were having the time of his life, 260 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,119 playing with kids his own age and... 261 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,520 ..getting money off adults. But sod it. 262 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,440 He's coming wi' me. 263 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,440 But she did not touch one drop. 264 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,159 She probably battered it when she got home, 265 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,720 but in that church hall... 266 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,879 ..she stayed to the bitter end 267 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,000 and she did not touch one drop. 268 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,720 She were my hero that day. 269 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,639 Nice to see you. Well done, love. 270 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,359 So sad. Thank you. 271 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:54,960 Bye, see you soon. So sorry. 272 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,120 Hiya. One minute. 273 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,120 Please take 'em off. 274 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,400 Please. 275 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,279 Thank you. 276 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,640 Hey, come here. 277 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,079 Right, it's all right, yeah? 278 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,079 It's going to be all right. I'm going to see you soon. OK? 279 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,479 I love you. Love you. Love you. 280 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,479 OK? You tell your brother... 281 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,639 You tell your brother that I love him, all right? 282 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,160 I've got to go. 283 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,639 Babe? 284 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,359 Hiya. 285 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,920 Kels, I'm sorry, babe. 286 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,120 I'm really...really, really sorry, babe. 287 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:57,720 Right. 288 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,520 What are you going to do? 289 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,639 I'm going to get him back. 290 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,479 How, babe? 291 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,639 I mean, that's good, yeah, 292 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,279 but how are you going to do that? 293 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,359 That's why I'm phoning. 294 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,240 I'm going to tell the truth. 295 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,319 If I'm going to get him back, I've got to get out of this place, 296 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,399 so I'm going to tell the truth. And what is the truth? 297 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,360 You know what the truth is, Adam. 298 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,280 And who are you going to tell this to? 299 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,759 The bizzies. 300 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,279 What? 301 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,239 The bizzies! 302 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,279 So you're grassing on me? 303 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,439 Uh... I'm telling the truth! 304 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,159 Well, I'm telling you this, babe, 305 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,839 if you go near those bizzies, 306 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,319 if you even THINK about bubbling me to those bizzies, you're dead. 307 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,799 You're dead and your baby's dead. 308 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,319 Yeah, and don't think I won't be able to do it 309 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,999 because I'll be banged up. 310 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,559 Because I'll just slip someone in your nick a bit of brown, 311 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,360 and some slag, a little bit of brown, and she'll do it for me. 312 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,000 She'll cut you and your baby's throat. 313 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,560 Send him down, Kels. 314 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,000 Send him down. 315 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,520 All right? Yeah, have you got a minute? Yeah. 316 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,159 Yeah, my son's coming to see me. 317 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,159 I'm pleased for you, Lou. 318 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,200 Yeah, it's not a visit. It's one of them... 319 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,639 ..you know, restorative justice things. 320 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,439 Right. 321 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,919 So, uh... 322 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,840 Yeah, I was wondering if... 323 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,079 Would you come? 324 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,239 Me? 325 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,920 Well, I like you and... 326 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,199 I thought you might be all right with it and... 327 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,240 Go on. 328 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,000 I'm an alcoholic. 329 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,480 Right. 330 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,400 Come in. Sit yourselves down. Yep. 331 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,199 Um... 332 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,039 OK, so I know everyone, so I'll do some intros. 333 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,119 I'm Marie-Louise. I'm chaplain here. This is Prison Officer Carter. 334 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:03,280 This is Orla, who is here to support Lou, yes? Yeah. 335 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,720 This is Stephen. This is Lou's son, Stephen. 336 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,720 I've always hated myself. 337 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,320 That's where the booze came in. 338 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,640 You can never forget you hate yourself, but... 339 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,239 ..getting pissed helps a bit. 340 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,759 Trouble is, the more pissed you get, 341 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,679 the more you act like an idiot 342 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,880 and the more you hate yourself the next day. 343 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,200 So, uh... 344 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,720 Yeah, I started to be other people. 345 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,080 Anybody. Anybody apart from me. 346 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,639 And I told myself, I wisnae drinking because I hated myself, 347 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,000 I was drinking because I was rock and roll. 348 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,920 A bit wild. 349 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,839 And that's what I was on the day I punched Anna. 350 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,519 I was... 351 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,800 I was just rabbiting on and she came up to me and said... 352 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,120 .."Why are you behaving like this?" 353 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,600 It was...so simple. 354 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,360 So clear. 355 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,840 And so impossible for me to answer so I punched her. 356 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,880 And she went down. 357 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,080 And... 358 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,199 I had to pretend that I didn't regret it 359 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,040 in any way whatsoever because... 360 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,760 ..because I was rock and roll. I was wild. 361 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,320 But all I wanted to do was pick her up and say, "I'm sorry. 362 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,800 "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry." 363 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,200 But...I didn't. 364 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,879 And that was the last time I ever touched a drink. 365 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,199 I mean, this is a prison, yeah, 366 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,919 but there's booze... 367 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,760 There's even more drugs, but I've never touched a thing. 368 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,520 Deep down, I always wanted to talk to you about it. 369 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,920 But I thought if I did that, I would be betraying Anna. 370 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,200 But it was Anna who told me to come. 371 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,320 She's not up to seeing you yet, but she wanted me to come and... 372 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,000 ..I'd like to come again, if that's OK, because... 373 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,399 Well... 374 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,560 It's been nice to finally meet you, Mum. 375 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,560 I'd love that. 376 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,320 Thank you. 377 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,519 I can't get this one tight like I did the other one. 378 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,879 It's so annoying. 379 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,959 I don't even know why you need that string. I just make it up, I do. 380 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,799 Hey, check this out... Eh? Look at this... 381 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,679 Have you seen that wizard thing...? 382 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,240 Maeve? 383 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,040 I'm sorry. 384 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,999 Calling on the case of the Crown 385 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,239 versus Adam Muller and Kelsey Morgan. 386 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,639 Mr Muller stands accused of the importation of drugs, 387 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,639 supplying class A drugs into prison, and threats to kill. 388 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,759 Miss Morgan stands accused of the importation of drugs 389 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,039 into the country, and smuggling drugs into Carlingford Prison, 390 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,399 where she's currently on remand. 391 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,999 Your Honour, my client, following her plea, 392 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,679 would like to give evidence for the prosecution. 393 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,160 Very well. 394 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,240 I call Kelsey Morgan to the stand. 395 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,079 Well, I'm telling you this, if you go near those bizzies, 396 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,679 if you even THINK about bubbling me to those bizzies, you're dead. 397 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,079 Because I'll just slip someone in your nick a bit of brown 398 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,800 and she'll cut you and your baby's throat. 399 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,759 I was a heroin addict. I was trying to come off it. 400 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,639 And my mate and her fella were going to Spain, 401 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,519 and they wanted to get me away from Adam and from where I was living. 402 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,319 It was all drugs. 403 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,479 Um, so they took me with them. And it was great for a bit. 404 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,759 I was rattling but I was doing OK. 405 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,199 Then Adam showed up. 406 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,999 Told me I was stupid to be rattling in Spain. 407 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,079 If I wanted to turkey, turkey back home, not here in Spain, 408 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,679 cos Spain's for spoiling yourself. 409 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,719 So I went back on it. 410 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,559 Me and Adam flew home together. 411 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,239 They wouldn't let me through the green channel, 412 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,639 they opened my bag and inside there was a package of heroin, a kilo. 413 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,359 A kilo of heroin. 414 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,160 And Adam was suddenly nowhere to be seen. 415 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,479 He visited me on remand. 416 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,279 And he told me that he loved me 417 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,040 and that I was going down anyway so please don't take him down with me. 418 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,199 Is Adam in this courtroom? 419 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,800 Yeah. He's there. 420 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,679 Did you see him put the package in your bag? 421 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,479 Yes. 422 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,799 Did you think it was drugs? 423 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Yeah. 424 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,799 Did you ask him if it was drugs? Yes. 425 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,239 He said no, it was a present for his mother. 426 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,919 You knew that was a lie. Yeah, 427 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,279 but I couldn't call him a liar, could I? 428 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,400 I couldn't call him a liar, cos I was too scared to call him a liar. 429 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,039 Miss Morgan, I can only imagine the distress 430 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,239 that having your baby removed would have caused you. 431 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,199 It is for this reason 432 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,279 and the fact that you have assisted the prosecution 433 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,479 and that you pleaded guilty 434 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,199 that I sentence you to two-and-a-half years in prison. 435 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,159 Taking into account the nine months 436 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,159 that you've already spent on remand, 437 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,239 which was longer than usual due to your pregnancy, 438 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,399 you will serve a further six months before you will be released. 439 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,000 Thank you. 440 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,719 Mr Muller, 441 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,679 the sentence I consider appropriate for the importation of drugs 442 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,039 is one of ten years. 443 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,519 For the supply of class A drugs into prison - five years. 444 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,999 And for threats to kill Miss Morgan - two years. 445 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,999 You will serve these sentences concurrently, 446 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,840 meaning a total of ten years' imprisonment. 447 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,519 Can you go back to your mum's house? 448 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,999 No, she rented it. Private landlord. 449 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,119 That's a problem, then. Is it? 450 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,039 Yeah. It's getting harder to find places 451 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,479 for people leaving prison. 452 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,319 We haven't got anywhere for you, Orla. All the hostels are full. 453 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,559 Well...what do I do? 454 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,799 We can give you a tent. What? 455 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,200 A tent. 456 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,319 You're thinking of sending me out of here wi' a tent? 457 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,599 Yeah. 458 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,240 Is this a joke? No. 459 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,360 I'm sorry, Orla. 460 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,440 Sending her out to live in a tent. It's an absolute disgrace. 461 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,440 I know. 462 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,439 Right, come here. 463 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,040 Bye, sweetheart. Bye. 464 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,759 Sorry for the things I said. 465 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,320 It's all right. 466 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,600 Look after her. Yeah. And yourself. 467 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,280 Take care, yeah? 468 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,119 Hiya. 469 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,440 Hiya, Mum. Are you out yet? 470 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,480 Ta. 471 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,399 Hiya. 472 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,479 Hiya. 473 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,999 Can I get you something? 474 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,119 Er, tea, please. 475 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,639 Milk? Yeah, please. 476 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,399 I know this is proper cheeky, but could you get me some toast? 477 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,439 Toast. Yeah. Right. 478 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,080 Ta. Thank you. 479 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,919 You OK, son? Yeah. 480 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,399 Look, I'm going to say all this before she comes back, right? Yeah. 481 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,200 You know all that not-coming-to-see-me, Kyle? 482 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,239 It's cos you were ashamed? 483 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,720 Yeah. 484 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,680 You were ashamed I were in prison. 485 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,879 But you weren't ashamed of what I did. 486 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,439 You were ashamed that I got caught doing it. 487 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,760 Yeah. 488 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,240 Me too. 489 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,599 I am not ashamed of anything I have done for you, 490 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,879 Callum or Nancy. 491 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,119 But I won't do it again. I'll never do anything like this again. 492 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,999 I'm going to get a job, 493 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,079 I'm going to get us somewhere to live 494 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,959 and I am going to get us all back together. 495 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,839 I promise. Right? 496 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,240 Right. 497 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,360 But you have to help. 498 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040 Treat me like your mum. 499 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,119 Let me come and see you. 500 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,600 Phone me. 501 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,040 Love me. 502 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,760 Yeah. Yeah? 503 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,119 I missed you. 504 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,120 Missed you, too. 505 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,200 Too spicy? 506 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,160 You knew? 507 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,320 Shit in my food and you didn't say anything? 508 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,240 I was too scared to say anything. I'm really sorry. 509 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,039 I'm going to go get him. You're not. 510 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,999 I can't take any more of this. 511 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,119 We agreed to try letting him cry. 512 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,039 No, we agreed to try it for a bit. This has been hours. It hasn't. 513 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,440 Oh, God. 514 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,359 That's pain. It's not. 515 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,319 No, I'm going to go get him. Right, well, if you bring him in here, 516 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,199 I'm getting out bed, I'm going downstairs 517 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,800 and I'm leaving you to it. 518 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,919 I'm sorry... 519 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,799 I know... 520 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,999 Naughty Mummy. I'm sorry. 521 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,040 You won't believe this but I'm not a violent person. 522 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,519 But you attack me, I'll attack you. 523 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,639 And I'm sick of it. 524 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,119 So I'm going to tell you my story. 525 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,559 I'm hoping you identify with bits of it 526 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,040 and that's enough for you to leave me alone. 527 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,160 So... 528 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,880 How many of you have had kids? 529 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,519 Most of you. 530 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,000 Well... 531 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,799 Uh, we were trying for ages, 532 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,120 me and Rob... 533 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,520 ..so when I got pregnant I was... 534 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,600 ..ecstatic. 535 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,400 Yeah, read all the books, listed all of the names and... 536 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,239 ..made all the promises, you know, 537 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:35,039 no bottle, no dummy, nothing sweet - all that stuff. 538 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,200 And then...I went into labour. 539 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,080 And it was horrific. 540 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,680 Two days of agony. 541 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,479 Then home with a crying baby. 542 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,080 And I could barely sit down because of the pain. 543 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,999 Uh, then... 544 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,679 ..the nurse came and she stripped him and weighed him 545 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,640 and said he was losing weight. 546 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,599 And I said I wasn't finding it easy with the stitches 547 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,999 and the worry and losing so much sleep, 548 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,679 and she said that she was here for the baby and not me 549 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,639 and that if he carried on losing weight 550 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,839 he's going to go back into hospital, so I started to...cry 551 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,320 and she started telling Rob about her holidays. 552 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,679 I wanted to scream at her. 553 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,159 It is my first child, you heartless bitch, 554 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,040 I need a bit of help! 555 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,440 I had no-one. 556 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,439 We'd moved there for Rob's job. 557 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,600 He knew people in work. I knew no-one. 558 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,240 Just Rob and the baby. 559 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,399 What time will you be back? About eight. 560 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,359 For God's sake, Rob. We've got to have a debrief. No. 561 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,439 You have a debrief the next working day, 562 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,119 you don't have a debrief in your own time. 563 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,399 We have to have it in our own time cos we're snowed under. 564 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,199 You're doing it after work because you don't want to be here 565 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,159 with the baby! We're doing a debrief after work 566 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,239 because it's the only time we can do it. It's not fair, Rob. 567 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,639 If I go out it's to get the shopping and I'm back at six at the latest. 568 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,919 I spend time with the baby - with you AND the baby! 569 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,520 And you are home at half eight every time. Listen, I've got to go. 570 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,959 Fuck off. 571 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,239 Ssh... Ssh. 572 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,559 Ssh-ssh-ssh! 573 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,039 Ssh! Ssh. 574 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,360 Ssh! 575 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,559 One day I managed to get him to sleep - God knows how - 576 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,520 and I put him in his cot. 577 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,999 I walked out the room, 578 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,319 but once out the room 579 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,600 I started thinking I'd harmed him. 580 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,000 I've killed him. 581 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,759 I don't know why I thought that but I did. 582 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,800 So I went back in and checked and he was fine. 583 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,399 I walked out again. 584 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,119 No sooner out the room then again I'm thinking I've harmed him, 585 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,159 so I go back again and he's fine again. 586 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,079 But this time I can't leave him there 587 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,839 so I pick him up and I carry him. 588 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,999 And carry him and I carry him. 589 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,919 And it's only when Rob comes home 590 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,279 that I can put him down 591 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,760 and leave him there. 592 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,639 I couldn't let him out my sight. 593 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,399 So every minute of every day, 594 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,799 I am looking at my child. 595 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,640 Where other women are seeing THEIR baby crying... 596 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,759 ..I'm looking at mine and he's twisting. 597 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,159 He's twisting in pain. 598 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,639 He'd fight even to get away from his dad. 599 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,079 When he'd come back to me, crying. 600 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,960 Still screaming. 601 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,959 Nothing can make him stop. 602 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,040 Yeah, Robert Cochrane. He's in theatre. 603 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,959 Well, yeah, I know that, but when it is possible, 604 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,719 could you ask him to phone me, please? 605 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,119 I'm his wife. 606 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,000 Ssh-ssh-ssh-ssh. 607 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,239 This is Croft Park Medical Centre. 608 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,759 Our receptionists are busy at the moment but you are... 609 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,559 ..18th in the queue. 610 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,599 Please feel free... 611 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,040 I think I wanted to stop him crying. 612 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,280 It's just... 613 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,480 If you...stop him crying then you ease his pain. 614 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,279 Just stop them crying. 615 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,120 I held him under. 616 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,680 I wanted peace and quiet. 617 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,720 For him... 618 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,560 ..and for me. 619 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,400 No more suffering. 620 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,000 What's wrong? 621 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,120 What is it? 622 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,400 You didn't ring. 623 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,880 My God, you're wet. 624 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,280 And cold. 625 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,839 You're starting to scare me now, Abs. What's wrong? 626 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,320 Where's the baby? 627 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,760 Abi, where's the baby? 628 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,040 In his cot. 629 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,840 Have you told this story to anyone before? 630 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,880 It wouldn't bring him back. 631 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,440 No. But it...could've helped you. 632 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,680 I was under pressure, yeah. 633 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,680 But so... 634 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,680 ..were so many other women. 635 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,359 They coped. 636 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,399 I didn't. 637 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,199 I was... Yeah, I was ashamed, I was ashamed of that. 638 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,999 Didn't want them to know that. 639 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,440 So I told all about killing my baby. 640 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,000 But I told no-one that I couldn't cope. 641 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,600 Can I ask a question? 642 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,600 Yeah. 643 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,080 What was his name? 644 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,440 Daniel. 645 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,840 Daniel. 646 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,599 One of them will go for me now. 647 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,119 Someone from the group? Mm-hm. 648 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,559 Yeah. I've shown a bit of vulnerability, you see. 649 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,879 They'll think I'm not so tough, they can take me on and win. 650 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,839 Other women have spoken and nothing's happened. 651 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,000 They haven't murdered their kids. 652 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,039 Shall we sit? If you want. 653 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,360 Yes, I do. 654 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,079 She cared for me all the way through my pregnancy. All the way. 655 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,079 And she, like, delivered my... She delivered my little Daniel. 656 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,439 She delivered your baby, that entitles her to murder her own? 657 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,559 That's what you're saying? That's not what I'm saying. 658 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,879 I'm saying she's done a bit of good. 659 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,759 She's done way more good than anyone else in here, including me. Yeah. 660 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,719 I mean, she could have walked away, she didn't have to help Kelsey. 661 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,679 She's a trained nurse. I know, but she didn't have to help, did she? 662 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,600 You can't deny that she's done something. 663 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,679 What does that represent? 664 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,280 What do you want it to represent? 665 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,879 Is it my child, still alive, up in heaven? 666 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,560 Perhaps. It's a candle. 667 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,159 It's a bloody candle. 668 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,799 You want me to blow it out? Do you want it lit? Yes. 669 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,319 It reminds me of the presence of Christ. 670 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,720 Fine. 671 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,080 I ask a lot of women this, do you mind? 672 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,799 If I could grant you one wish, what would that be? 673 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,599 I fear I'll say what they all say - 674 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,519 can I go back in time, please? 675 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,240 A lot say that, yes. 676 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,680 So, if I could grant you another wish, what would that be? 677 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,679 Has the bishop found you out yet? 678 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,799 No. 679 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,080 Good. 680 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,320 So if I could grant you another wish, what would that be? 681 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,960 I'd like to be able to grieve. 682 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,999 But how do you grieve the death of a child 683 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,160 when you're the one responsible for it? 684 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,920 Can I pray for that? 685 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,040 That God enables you to grieve for Daniel? 686 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,040 Yes. 687 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,039 OK, what if we'd done it? What if we killed our babies? 688 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,279 I wouldn't. Yeah, but what if we had? We'd be wrecks. 689 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,119 That woman is a wreck and she deserves a bit of compassion. 690 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,079 She needs looking after, 691 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,199 not attacking. I think we're all forgetting 692 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,159 she couldn't kill herself. 693 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,239 OK to kill a baby but not herself? No, that is a selfish bitch. 694 00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,039 That's not what I'm saying. Maeve, what do you think? 695 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,239 What Abi said stuck with me when she said that we need to show the world 696 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,239 that we couldn't possibly do what she did, so we attack, 697 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,519 and the more we attack, the more we feel saintly. 698 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,240 And that's fucking bullshit. 699 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,600 My God, the telly's off. 700 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,199 Yeah, we've been talking. 701 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,720 About me. Yeah. 702 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,040 Look, no-one here's going to do you any harm. 703 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,880 OK, I'm not saying that everyone forgives you. They don't. But... 704 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,079 ..we won't do you harm. 705 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,759 I can't speak for the rest of the prison, 706 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,719 they'll need putting straight, but everyone here right now, 707 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,519 everyone in this unit, right? 708 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,240 Yeah. Yeah. 709 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,000 You're fine. 710 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,440 What, including you? 711 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,039 Yeah. 712 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,839 Whatever. 713 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,920 Yeah. 714 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,920 Thank you. 715 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,280 Thanks. 716 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,880 Bye, then. 717 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,320 Bye. 718 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,479 No ta-ras, then. 719 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,000 Looks like that. 720 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,400 I'll come with you. 721 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,680 You OK? Yeah. 722 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,039 Mrs Kelly? I'm Fay Clarkson from Children and Families. 723 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,840 We spoke on the phone. Hello. This is Kelsey. Hi. Hi, Kelsey. 724 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,920 Give Mummy a big hug, Daniel. 725 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,359 He'll be yours again soon, my love. 726 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,439 Just keep doing what you're doing. 727 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,280 I will. I will, I will.