1 00:00:05,788 --> 00:00:09,048 [music playing] 2 00:00:16,190 --> 00:00:17,100 >>DAVID WILCOCK: Hello. 3 00:00:17,234 --> 00:00:18,584 Welcome to "Cosmic Disclosure." 4 00:00:18,714 --> 00:00:20,284 I'm your host, David Wilcock. 5 00:00:20,411 --> 00:00:24,021 And in this episode, whereI'm here with Corey Goode, 6 00:00:24,154 --> 00:00:26,724 our insider's insider from the space program, 7 00:00:26,852 --> 00:00:29,422 we are going to be talkingabout the science of time 8 00:00:29,551 --> 00:00:30,991 even further. 9 00:00:31,118 --> 00:00:33,078 And I want to start to dialogue with him 10 00:00:33,207 --> 00:00:34,897 a little bit about some of the things 11 00:00:35,035 --> 00:00:38,385 that I've studied in thisvery fascinating subject. 12 00:00:38,516 --> 00:00:42,476 Because when we start to getinto the real world data, 13 00:00:42,607 --> 00:00:43,997 things get very interesting. 14 00:00:44,131 --> 00:00:45,781 So, Corey, welcome to the show. 15 00:00:45,915 --> 00:00:47,475 >>COREY GOODE: Thank you. 16 00:00:47,612 --> 00:00:50,352 >>DAVID: Let's kick this offby bringing in a data point 17 00:00:50,485 --> 00:00:55,265 from a book by a Chineseguy named Paul Dong called 18 00:00:55,403 --> 00:00:57,883 "China's Super Psychics." 19 00:00:58,014 --> 00:01:00,764 And in this book, he describes working 20 00:01:00,886 --> 00:01:04,456 with the Chinese government, where 21 00:01:04,586 --> 00:01:06,886 they find these children who have 22 00:01:07,023 --> 00:01:10,853 advanced psychic capabilities. 23 00:01:10,983 --> 00:01:13,863 One of the experiments thatis documented in this book 24 00:01:13,986 --> 00:01:16,896 is a human being who had the ability 25 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:20,213 to teleport a small object. 26 00:01:20,341 --> 00:01:22,391 And the object would appear to fade out 27 00:01:22,517 --> 00:01:23,947 of existence in one location. 28 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:27,304 And it would fade in in another location. 29 00:01:27,435 --> 00:01:31,475 So what the Chinese wantedto do was to figure out, 30 00:01:31,613 --> 00:01:33,353 OK, what's really going on here? 31 00:01:33,484 --> 00:01:35,704 And how does this work? 32 00:01:35,834 --> 00:01:38,404 So apparently they put a beeper on the device. 33 00:01:38,533 --> 00:01:41,543 And the beeper was setto beep in a certain time 34 00:01:41,666 --> 00:01:44,496 sequence at a certain rhythm. 35 00:01:44,626 --> 00:01:47,016 What they found was that as the object starts 36 00:01:47,150 --> 00:01:50,720 to fade out of existence, thebeeps became slower and slower. 37 00:01:50,849 --> 00:01:53,939 As if time itself was changing in speed. 38 00:01:54,070 --> 00:01:55,290 And then it was just as slow when 39 00:01:55,419 --> 00:01:56,859 it shows up on the other side. 40 00:01:56,986 --> 00:02:01,116 And then it would speedback up to its normal rate. 41 00:02:01,251 --> 00:02:09,171 So is it possible for us to beable to affect time and space 42 00:02:09,303 --> 00:02:12,313 as a singularity like that? 43 00:02:12,436 --> 00:02:15,526 >>GOODE: Well, we can affect time and space 44 00:02:15,657 --> 00:02:21,267 and matter with ourconsciousness, which is exactly 45 00:02:21,402 --> 00:02:22,792 what that person was doing. 46 00:02:22,925 --> 00:02:24,265 >>DAVID: Right. 47 00:02:24,405 --> 00:02:29,845 >>GOODE: And time and space-- we'd call it 48 00:02:29,975 --> 00:02:33,625 spacetime, time-space for a reason. 49 00:02:33,762 --> 00:02:35,762 So, yeah. 50 00:02:35,894 --> 00:02:42,214 That experiment showed howintertwined and related 51 00:02:42,336 --> 00:02:44,816 the two are, in my opinion. 52 00:02:44,947 --> 00:02:47,987 >>DAVID: Now in Einstein'sbasic physics model, 53 00:02:48,124 --> 00:02:50,784 he does allow for time to shift. 54 00:02:50,909 --> 00:02:54,129 But it only can be done within an area 55 00:02:54,261 --> 00:02:56,261 that you're acceleratingtowards the speed of light, 56 00:02:56,393 --> 00:02:59,223 like a craft, let's say. 57 00:02:59,353 --> 00:03:07,193 We know that in the 1970s,they took molecular clocks 58 00:03:07,317 --> 00:03:08,927 and flew them in airplanes. 59 00:03:09,058 --> 00:03:11,448 And that they confirmed thisEinstein relativistic drag is 60 00:03:11,582 --> 00:03:12,452 true. 61 00:03:12,583 --> 00:03:13,543 >>GOODE: The atomic clocks? 62 00:03:13,671 --> 00:03:14,241 >>DAVID: Right. 63 00:03:14,368 --> 00:03:15,538 >>GOODE: Yeah. 64 00:03:15,673 --> 00:03:17,113 >>DAVID: The real gems here seem to be 65 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,550 that time is locally variable. 66 00:03:20,678 --> 00:03:23,638 That you can actually accelerateor decelerate the rate of time 67 00:03:23,768 --> 00:03:25,378 in a small area. 68 00:03:25,509 --> 00:03:28,509 Now the conventional physicistswho are watching the show, 69 00:03:28,643 --> 00:03:31,043 the skeptics, are going tosay, oh, that's impossible. 70 00:03:31,167 --> 00:03:32,727 So is this part of the physics that we're 71 00:03:32,864 --> 00:03:34,214 going to have to change? 72 00:03:34,344 --> 00:03:35,784 >>GOODE: Definitely. 73 00:03:35,911 --> 00:03:39,441 And I know that you'reprobably familiar with this. 74 00:03:39,567 --> 00:03:44,217 But a person doing a certain experiment 75 00:03:44,354 --> 00:03:48,274 has an idea of how that experiment should go. 76 00:03:48,402 --> 00:03:54,712 And the power of their-- theco-creative ability and power 77 00:03:54,843 --> 00:04:04,683 of their consciousness causesan outcome of that experiment. 78 00:04:04,809 --> 00:04:05,639 >>DAVID: Right. 79 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:07,417 Absolutely. 80 00:04:07,551 --> 00:04:13,341 >>GOODE: Well, if you changed itup a little bit-- time, matter, 81 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:18,300 space are all related. 82 00:04:18,432 --> 00:04:27,922 And our consciousness can makechanges to matter, to time, 83 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:29,830 and to space. 84 00:04:29,965 --> 00:04:35,445 Just as we were talking abouthow some people, or beings, 85 00:04:35,579 --> 00:04:38,409 have been able to change their teleport, 86 00:04:38,539 --> 00:04:43,199 change their location, with consciousness-- 87 00:04:43,326 --> 00:04:44,936 changing the vibration of their body 88 00:04:45,067 --> 00:04:49,027 to match another vibrationof another location-- 89 00:04:49,158 --> 00:04:52,768 you can also affect time. 90 00:04:52,901 --> 00:05:01,431 And as we're learning more andmore about how this universe 91 00:05:01,562 --> 00:05:10,182 and reality is ahologram, we're learning-- 92 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:13,750 when you really learn it and believe it-- 93 00:05:13,878 --> 00:05:17,318 just like in "The Matrix,""there is no spoon"-- 94 00:05:17,447 --> 00:05:21,887 then that takes away a lot of restrictions from 95 00:05:22,017 --> 00:05:23,887 your consciousness. 96 00:05:24,019 --> 00:05:27,369 And there's a lot more you can do with bending 97 00:05:27,501 --> 00:05:30,071 time and space and reality. 98 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:32,379 >>DAVID: Why do you thinkthese guys in the Philadelphia 99 00:05:32,506 --> 00:05:35,156 experiment allegedly got embedded 100 00:05:35,291 --> 00:05:36,901 into the hull of the ship? 101 00:05:37,032 --> 00:05:40,252 What was going on there? 102 00:05:40,383 --> 00:05:48,573 >>GOODE: Well, the vibrations, the matter 103 00:05:48,696 --> 00:05:57,306 of the metal of the ship wasin a transitional phase, as was 104 00:05:57,444 --> 00:06:02,674 the bodies of the sailors. 105 00:06:02,797 --> 00:06:09,277 And they probably were freakingout during this out of phase, 106 00:06:09,412 --> 00:06:13,552 this process when things were out of phase, 107 00:06:13,677 --> 00:06:17,247 and they moved around. 108 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:20,637 And then when they were brought back into phase, 109 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:26,261 they found theirselves now trapped in the metal 110 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:31,776 as it phased back into what we would 111 00:06:31,913 --> 00:06:35,873 perceive as solid material. 112 00:06:36,004 --> 00:06:40,494 >>DAVID: Have you experiencedthis phase-out consciousness 113 00:06:40,617 --> 00:06:42,307 and matter condition yourself? 114 00:06:42,445 --> 00:06:46,095 Did you ever get exposed tothat type of a weird boundary 115 00:06:46,231 --> 00:06:47,711 condition? 116 00:06:47,842 --> 00:06:55,072 >>GOODE: When you're broughtthrough a solid wall, 117 00:06:55,197 --> 00:07:00,717 you know that something like that has happened. 118 00:07:00,855 --> 00:07:02,675 So, yes. 119 00:07:02,813 --> 00:07:08,343 And I've seen technology used--bracelets that were taken away 120 00:07:08,471 --> 00:07:12,431 from extraterrestrials. 121 00:07:12,562 --> 00:07:18,442 And the intercept interrogation program 122 00:07:18,568 --> 00:07:21,918 that they would-- the extraterrestrials 123 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:24,360 had-- that they would turn on. 124 00:07:24,487 --> 00:07:30,447 And they would shake and then phase out 125 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:33,630 as if they were completely invisible 126 00:07:33,757 --> 00:07:36,457 and couldn't be touched. 127 00:07:36,586 --> 00:07:40,156 Well, with this technology,it wasn't meant for humans 128 00:07:40,285 --> 00:07:41,495 to wear. 129 00:07:41,635 --> 00:07:43,985 Humans tested it, and they put it on. 130 00:07:44,115 --> 00:07:46,895 And it shook them violently,and they broke their necks. 131 00:07:47,031 --> 00:07:47,731 >>DAVID: Oh my gosh. 132 00:07:47,858 --> 00:07:48,418 Really? 133 00:07:48,555 --> 00:07:49,725 >>GOODE: Yeah. 134 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:52,380 Later on they had developed technology 135 00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:59,515 to where these human beingswere able to walk through walls. 136 00:07:59,653 --> 00:08:06,223 But before they fully developed it, 137 00:08:06,355 --> 00:08:10,745 people were exchanging their human residue 138 00:08:10,881 --> 00:08:12,491 and the residue of the walls-- there 139 00:08:12,622 --> 00:08:14,582 was interchanging going on. 140 00:08:14,711 --> 00:08:19,021 To where some of the material from the wall 141 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:21,760 was ending up a part of their body. 142 00:08:21,892 --> 00:08:26,242 And part of-- in the walls,the human-- you've heard this? 143 00:08:26,375 --> 00:08:28,595 >>DAVID: Oh, absolutely. 144 00:08:28,725 --> 00:08:30,285 OK. 145 00:08:30,422 --> 00:08:32,382 You're describing somethingI heard from Pete Peterson. 146 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:35,522 In his division of Area 51 when he worked there, 147 00:08:35,645 --> 00:08:38,465 they developed a little thingthat was the size of a quarter. 148 00:08:38,605 --> 00:08:41,085 You hold it in your handand you push the button-- 149 00:08:41,216 --> 00:08:44,176 you pop out of phase. 150 00:08:44,306 --> 00:08:46,566 They were trying to figureout how to get through walls. 151 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:49,440 So they'd have these guyshold onto this little thing, 152 00:08:49,572 --> 00:08:55,142 take a running jump, jump intothe air, jump through the wall, 153 00:08:55,273 --> 00:08:57,973 hit the button when you hit the air. 154 00:08:58,102 --> 00:08:59,842 They would go through the wall. 155 00:08:59,974 --> 00:09:02,064 Then they'd release the button, and they'd 156 00:09:02,193 --> 00:09:05,633 pop back in on the other side. 157 00:09:05,762 --> 00:09:08,552 The problem that he said was happening-- 158 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:11,158 he didn't say that it was thematerial of the wall which 159 00:09:11,289 --> 00:09:13,599 I certainly believe could happen-- 160 00:09:13,727 --> 00:09:16,157 he said people would get sick. 161 00:09:16,294 --> 00:09:18,654 And their eventual conclusion was 162 00:09:18,775 --> 00:09:20,645 that all the bacteria and the viruses 163 00:09:20,777 --> 00:09:23,347 and the natural junk that's in the atmosphere 164 00:09:23,475 --> 00:09:25,475 would blend in with our bodies. 165 00:09:25,608 --> 00:09:28,568 And normally our lungs filter that stuff out. 166 00:09:28,698 --> 00:09:31,698 People would get sick, they'ddegenerate very quickly. 167 00:09:31,832 --> 00:09:35,272 And so within Peterson'sdivision, that little thing-- 168 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:36,710 they said, we can't use this. 169 00:09:36,837 --> 00:09:38,487 >>GOODE: That wasback-engineered from what 170 00:09:38,621 --> 00:09:39,401 I'm talking about. 171 00:09:39,535 --> 00:09:40,225 >>DAVID: Oh, really? 172 00:09:40,362 --> 00:09:42,412 >>GOODE: Yeah. 173 00:09:42,538 --> 00:09:43,668 >>DAVID: That's fascinating. 174 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,980 >>GOODE: They eventually perfected it. 175 00:09:46,107 --> 00:09:50,677 They can use this type of technology 176 00:09:50,807 --> 00:09:56,987 to walk through walls and stuffnow and not have ill effects. 177 00:09:57,118 --> 00:09:58,688 >>DAVID: You remember the guy I told you 178 00:09:58,815 --> 00:10:01,335 about who's autopsiedsome 2,000 different types 179 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:03,600 of extraterrestrial bodies. 180 00:10:03,733 --> 00:10:06,003 At one point, he was attacked by people 181 00:10:06,127 --> 00:10:09,167 who appear to have walked intohis house through his wall. 182 00:10:09,304 --> 00:10:11,874 And I had no data to back thatup until you just said that. 183 00:10:12,002 --> 00:10:13,662 >>GOODE: OK. 184 00:10:13,787 --> 00:10:15,007 >>DAVID: So I wasn't sure if hewas actually telling the truth, 185 00:10:15,136 --> 00:10:16,656 but now there's reason to believe 186 00:10:16,790 --> 00:10:18,270 that that part of his story is correct. 187 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,100 >>GOODE: No, they absolutelyhave that ability. 188 00:10:21,229 --> 00:10:26,539 You can lock your doors, and lock your windows, 189 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:31,809 and sit there with a loaded pistol. 190 00:10:31,935 --> 00:10:33,805 And they can come in and out of phase. 191 00:10:37,158 --> 00:10:43,988 That's technology that is available to very 192 00:10:44,121 --> 00:10:48,521 high-level black ops groups. 193 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:54,088 And for that level of technologyto be used against you, 194 00:10:54,218 --> 00:10:57,788 you have to have-- most likelyhave done something very stupid 195 00:10:57,918 --> 00:11:02,878 or wrong against the program you're in. 196 00:11:03,010 --> 00:11:06,840 >>DAVID: Let me ask you thesame question I asked Peterson. 197 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:09,760 If you hit this button, and you're out of phase 198 00:11:09,886 --> 00:11:14,016 with our reality, why don't youjust fall through the floor? 199 00:11:14,151 --> 00:11:15,721 How would they get through a wall? 200 00:11:15,849 --> 00:11:17,849 Do they have to jump throughthe wall and hit the button? 201 00:11:17,981 --> 00:11:22,161 Or is there some way that theyhave enough phase in their feet 202 00:11:22,290 --> 00:11:24,950 that they can stillinterface with the ground 203 00:11:25,075 --> 00:11:26,335 enough or something? 204 00:11:26,468 --> 00:11:27,298 >>GOODE: That's a good question that I 205 00:11:27,425 --> 00:11:28,295 don't know the answer to. 206 00:11:28,426 --> 00:11:29,556 >>DAVID: OK. 207 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:30,989 Interesting. 208 00:11:31,125 --> 00:11:35,165 >>GOODE: But then again, if you're out of phase, 209 00:11:35,303 --> 00:11:39,183 why would gravity pull youdown through the floor? 210 00:11:39,307 --> 00:11:40,397 >>DAVID: That's a good point. 211 00:11:40,525 --> 00:11:42,265 >>GOODE: I don't know. 212 00:11:42,397 --> 00:11:45,487 But these guys know. 213 00:11:45,617 --> 00:11:51,707 They go out of phase, andthey walk on the floor. 214 00:11:51,841 --> 00:11:53,711 They walk through spacecraft. 215 00:11:53,843 --> 00:11:55,153 And they can walk through the walls 216 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:57,059 as if the walls weren't there. 217 00:11:57,194 --> 00:11:58,984 >>DAVID: One of thereally interesting things 218 00:11:59,109 --> 00:12:05,249 that we have spoken aboutbefore is this parallel earth. 219 00:12:05,376 --> 00:12:08,596 Now instead of me just blabbing away on it 220 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:12,598 because we want to get youtalking as much as we can, 221 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:15,132 what is the parallel earth? 222 00:12:15,256 --> 00:12:17,906 >>GOODE: This is somethingthat I mentioned to you. 223 00:12:18,041 --> 00:12:22,481 And as I said, I read a little bit about it. 224 00:12:22,611 --> 00:12:26,661 This is something that isvery sensitive information 225 00:12:26,789 --> 00:12:30,229 that I wasn't given-- Iwasn't privy to a whole lot 226 00:12:30,358 --> 00:12:32,358 of information about. 227 00:12:32,490 --> 00:12:34,930 But it piqued your interest. 228 00:12:35,058 --> 00:12:37,578 I'm not sure, is it because youhad heard something about it 229 00:12:37,713 --> 00:12:40,763 before or what? 230 00:12:40,890 --> 00:12:42,280 But-- 231 00:12:42,413 --> 00:12:45,203 >>DAVID: I remember how wegot into the discussion. 232 00:12:45,329 --> 00:12:47,849 And the original way that wegot into the discussion was 233 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:53,384 I asked you if you timetravel back into the past, 234 00:12:53,511 --> 00:12:57,301 and you see yourself-- if youget too close to yourself, 235 00:12:57,428 --> 00:12:59,778 will you explode? 236 00:12:59,909 --> 00:13:02,559 And you said no, which surprised me. 237 00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:05,874 Because other insiders I'dspoken to-- at least one-- 238 00:13:06,002 --> 00:13:07,872 thought that you would actually get 239 00:13:08,004 --> 00:13:10,624 some kind of electrical fire,some kind of interference 240 00:13:10,746 --> 00:13:12,836 feedback with yourself, and you'd blow up. 241 00:13:12,966 --> 00:13:14,876 Or just poof! 242 00:13:15,011 --> 00:13:16,451 But you're saying that doesn't happen? 243 00:13:16,578 --> 00:13:18,278 >>GOODE: Right. 244 00:13:18,406 --> 00:13:21,976 >>DAVID: So it is possible forpeople to portal back in time, 245 00:13:22,105 --> 00:13:25,665 and you can get right up toyourself, and nothing happens? 246 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:26,935 >>GOODE: Right. 247 00:13:27,067 --> 00:13:28,367 >>DAVID: But then you said something 248 00:13:28,503 --> 00:13:30,773 was different with this parallel earth thing? 249 00:13:30,897 --> 00:13:31,637 >>GOODE: Yes. 250 00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:33,417 And the type of portal. 251 00:13:33,551 --> 00:13:35,211 >>DAVID: Oh. 252 00:13:35,336 --> 00:13:43,036 >>GOODE: There was a highlytalked about and rumored type 253 00:13:43,170 --> 00:13:46,220 of portal room that they called the Xerox 254 00:13:46,347 --> 00:13:51,787 room, that brought you to a parallel reality, 255 00:13:51,918 --> 00:13:54,748 a parallel earth. 256 00:13:54,877 --> 00:13:59,097 And it was not something thatpeople wanted to go through. 257 00:13:59,229 --> 00:14:01,709 I certainly would not. 258 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:07,591 In this one, when you're portalled through it, 259 00:14:07,716 --> 00:14:11,066 it makes a copy of you, sends a copy of you 260 00:14:11,198 --> 00:14:17,418 to this other reality, anddestroys the local copy. 261 00:14:17,552 --> 00:14:19,902 >>DAVID: Oh my god. 262 00:14:20,033 --> 00:14:21,903 >>GOODE: And then there'sthis other copy of you 263 00:14:22,035 --> 00:14:27,775 in this other reality, this other earth. 264 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:30,870 >>DAVID: Well, I've always saidI want more than one of myself 265 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,570 so I can get more work done. 266 00:14:32,697 --> 00:14:37,347 Could you Xerox yourselfand not destroy the copy? 267 00:14:37,485 --> 00:14:39,655 >>GOODE: That's built into the function. 268 00:14:39,791 --> 00:14:40,971 >>DAVID: Huh. 269 00:14:41,097 --> 00:14:42,187 Is it like a time paradox or something 270 00:14:42,316 --> 00:14:43,486 if you have two copies of yourself? 271 00:14:43,621 --> 00:14:44,361 >>GOODE: I don't know. 272 00:14:44,492 --> 00:14:46,192 >>DAVID: OK. 273 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,540 >>GOODE: And that might be someof what-- a lot of what people 274 00:14:50,672 --> 00:14:52,982 are talking about clones being done. 275 00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:55,239 They may be using some sort of this technology 276 00:14:55,372 --> 00:14:57,812 to be making carbon copies of theirself. 277 00:14:57,940 --> 00:15:05,300 Anyway, these people go toa parallel reality universe, 278 00:15:05,426 --> 00:15:10,996 to where apparently things haveplayed out very differently. 279 00:15:11,127 --> 00:15:19,477 And there were and weren't certain wars. 280 00:15:19,614 --> 00:15:21,574 Wars turned out differently. 281 00:15:21,703 --> 00:15:24,143 Different people were leaders. 282 00:15:24,271 --> 00:15:25,581 >>DAVID: You're saying it's Earth-- 283 00:15:25,707 --> 00:15:27,357 >>GOODE: It's Earth. 284 00:15:27,491 --> 00:15:29,451 >>DAVID: --but there's somethingdifferent about the history 285 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:30,190 of Earth? 286 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:31,150 >>GOODE: Yes. 287 00:15:31,278 --> 00:15:34,238 And there are us's there. 288 00:15:34,368 --> 00:15:36,668 And sometimes there are,and sometimes there are not, 289 00:15:36,805 --> 00:15:39,755 depending on what had happened. 290 00:15:39,895 --> 00:15:45,205 But if you ran into yourselfthere and touched yourself, 291 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:47,685 there was an annihilation effect. 292 00:15:47,816 --> 00:15:48,376 >>DAVID: Really? 293 00:15:48,512 --> 00:15:49,642 >>GOODE: Yeah. 294 00:15:49,774 --> 00:15:55,524 That was so incredibly bad that it 295 00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:58,310 was said that-- they theorize that it 296 00:15:58,435 --> 00:16:05,395 could rip the fabric betweenthe two realities or something. 297 00:16:05,529 --> 00:16:08,709 I can't remember all the detailsfrom the space-- from the glass 298 00:16:08,837 --> 00:16:10,227 pad. 299 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,280 But I don't have a wholelot of details about that. 300 00:16:15,409 --> 00:16:18,759 I wasn't a part of that project. 301 00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:21,200 There were some people that were. 302 00:16:21,328 --> 00:16:24,938 For some reason, it wasconsidered a very important 303 00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:25,421 project. 304 00:16:28,117 --> 00:16:31,557 There were some very high-levelpeople involved in it. 305 00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:40,126 But the Xerox room was-- thatportal device was something 306 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:41,650 that people dreaded. 307 00:16:41,783 --> 00:16:47,753 And was not something I would ever have agreed 308 00:16:47,876 --> 00:16:49,136 or volunteered to go through. 309 00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:51,749 >>DAVID: Where was the Xerox room located? 310 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,930 >>GOODE: Well, there's not just one. 311 00:16:54,056 --> 00:16:59,796 But the one that I was aware ofwas in an underground facility 312 00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:01,501 somewhere here on Earth. 313 00:17:01,629 --> 00:17:07,549 But they have, supposedlyhave, also one of these devices 314 00:17:07,678 --> 00:17:11,288 down at the LOC on one of the lower levels. 315 00:17:11,421 --> 00:17:15,901 But I have never gone below, I think, 316 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:18,075 the third or fourth level at the LOC. 317 00:17:18,211 --> 00:17:24,871 I've never been given the grand tour that, 318 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,310 at recent meetings, somepeople that have not ever 319 00:17:29,439 --> 00:17:32,659 been in the space program--secret space program-- that 320 00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:36,320 have been there for conferences,have been given the grand tour. 321 00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:42,536 And I haven't been allowedbelow the third or fourth floor. 322 00:17:42,670 --> 00:17:45,110 >>DAVID: Were some people ableto go to this other reality 323 00:17:45,238 --> 00:17:46,458 and come back successfully? 324 00:17:46,587 --> 00:17:47,937 >>GOODE: Mm-hmm. 325 00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:50,197 >>DAVID: Do you getcopied again to come back? 326 00:17:50,330 --> 00:17:51,200 >>GOODE: Mm-hmm. 327 00:17:51,331 --> 00:17:52,721 The process repeats itself. 328 00:17:52,854 --> 00:17:53,644 >>DAVID: So now you'vedestroyed yourself twice? 329 00:17:53,768 --> 00:17:55,288 >>GOODE: Yeah. 330 00:17:55,422 --> 00:17:59,692 Was there any lack ofcontinuity in people's memories? 331 00:17:59,817 --> 00:18:03,077 Or any anomalies with their minds, 332 00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:06,912 as a result of being destroyedand reconstructed from a copy? 333 00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:09,442 >>GOODE: Not that was reported,other than the unpleasantness 334 00:18:09,566 --> 00:18:10,736 of the process. 335 00:18:10,872 --> 00:18:11,832 >>DAVID: What was unpleasant about it? 336 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Just the thought? 337 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:14,615 Or was there a sickening feeling? 338 00:18:14,745 --> 00:18:19,525 >>GOODE: It was a painful,unpleasant process. 339 00:18:19,663 --> 00:18:20,273 >>DAVID: Really? 340 00:18:20,403 --> 00:18:21,323 >>GOODE: Yeah. 341 00:18:21,448 --> 00:18:23,668 >>DAVID: You feel your death? 342 00:18:23,798 --> 00:18:26,498 >>GOODE: I'm just saying what was reported. 343 00:18:26,627 --> 00:18:29,977 It was a very unpleasant,painful process. 344 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:31,719 >>DAVID: Oh, wow. 345 00:18:31,849 --> 00:18:36,459 >>GOODE: And there are peoplefrom that parallel universe 346 00:18:36,593 --> 00:18:39,903 reality world traveling here as well. 347 00:18:40,031 --> 00:18:41,341 >>DAVID: Right. 348 00:18:41,468 --> 00:18:44,078 Could you delineate what are the main differences 349 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:47,300 in the history of this parallelearth compared to ours? 350 00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:49,300 Anything that you specifically remember 351 00:18:49,432 --> 00:18:50,692 that was different about it? 352 00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:53,345 >>GOODE: It's hard to remember it all. 353 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,050 I remember World War II turned out differently. 354 00:18:57,179 --> 00:18:59,749 >>DAVID: As in, that theGermans won instead of America? 355 00:18:59,877 --> 00:19:00,617 >>GOODE: Right. 356 00:19:00,748 --> 00:19:03,098 The Axis powers won. 357 00:19:03,229 --> 00:19:06,229 At one time I remembered a lot of the details 358 00:19:06,362 --> 00:19:13,152 that I read that were in that--it was a short summary that I 359 00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:14,372 was given access to. 360 00:19:14,501 --> 00:19:17,771 I wasn't given a lot of information. 361 00:19:17,895 --> 00:19:19,325 And I-- 362 00:19:19,462 --> 00:19:21,032 >>DAVID: Well, the insiderthat you introduced me 363 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,730 to-- who in the beginning youhad so many things in common 364 00:19:22,857 --> 00:19:26,337 with and so many things thathe knew that nobody else knew, 365 00:19:26,469 --> 00:19:32,389 whoever you'd met online-- hesaid that that earth didn't 366 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:34,699 have Roswell. 367 00:19:34,825 --> 00:19:37,385 And had far less interactionwith extraterrestrials 368 00:19:37,524 --> 00:19:39,134 that we have in ours. 369 00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:41,265 Did you ever encounter that information? 370 00:19:41,397 --> 00:19:42,917 >>GOODE: I encountered that information, 371 00:19:43,051 --> 00:19:45,841 but I can't remember fromwhich source I got it. 372 00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:48,187 >>DAVID: But he did say thesame thing that you're saying, 373 00:19:48,317 --> 00:19:50,317 which is that, in his opinion, it 374 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:52,840 was a very important project. 375 00:19:52,974 --> 00:19:55,984 And that we were both helpingeach other in some way. 376 00:19:56,107 --> 00:19:57,587 >>GOODE: Yes. 377 00:19:57,718 --> 00:20:00,198 >>DAVID: He said that theyhad much less of the kind 378 00:20:00,329 --> 00:20:02,069 of advanced technology-- 379 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:02,941 >>GOODE: Yes. 380 00:20:03,071 --> 00:20:04,381 >>DAVID: --that we did. 381 00:20:04,507 --> 00:20:06,767 And so we were trying to get them some of that. 382 00:20:06,901 --> 00:20:08,951 Do you think that in orderto get people to do this, 383 00:20:09,077 --> 00:20:11,507 they have to bring in a newbie? 384 00:20:11,645 --> 00:20:13,995 Somebody who hasn't heard thescuttlebutt about how horrible 385 00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:15,555 it is and how dangerous it is? 386 00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:17,172 >>GOODE: No. 387 00:20:17,303 --> 00:20:19,393 These people consider thisa very important mission, 388 00:20:19,522 --> 00:20:20,872 and they're very dedicated to it. 389 00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:21,662 >>DAVID: Really? 390 00:20:21,785 --> 00:20:23,435 >>GOODE: Yeah. 391 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:24,790 >>DAVID: And one of the keythings-- which I think you did 392 00:20:24,919 --> 00:20:27,879 say to me before, not in this taping-- was 393 00:20:28,009 --> 00:20:30,269 that this parallel earth isnot doing too well, as far 394 00:20:30,403 --> 00:20:31,623 as war and stuff. 395 00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:34,022 It's in a much worse shape in that sense. 396 00:20:34,145 --> 00:20:35,625 >>GOODE: Yeah. 397 00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:41,106 It's supposedly a reallydreary, hopeless place to be. 398 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,460 >>DAVID: So almost like anew world order that worked? 399 00:20:44,591 --> 00:20:46,331 Like a worldwide fascism kind of thing? 400 00:20:46,462 --> 00:20:47,942 >>GOODE: Right. 401 00:20:48,072 --> 00:20:51,162 >>DAVID: There are some people in Jenny Randles' 402 00:20:51,293 --> 00:20:54,083 book, "Time Storms," shehas a whole bunch of stories 403 00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:58,779 about natural time slips, she calls them. 404 00:20:58,909 --> 00:21:00,959 There's a kid that goes missing. 405 00:21:01,085 --> 00:21:03,515 Three days later, he pops up in the garden. 406 00:21:03,653 --> 00:21:05,533 And they've searched thatarea hundreds of times, 407 00:21:05,655 --> 00:21:08,045 and there he is. 408 00:21:08,179 --> 00:21:10,439 A bubble of light shows up. 409 00:21:10,573 --> 00:21:12,273 And modern people would probably say, hey, 410 00:21:12,401 --> 00:21:14,271 that's a UFO sighting. 411 00:21:14,403 --> 00:21:17,753 And then they get a missing time experience. 412 00:21:17,885 --> 00:21:19,755 Oh, well, I lost four hours. 413 00:21:19,887 --> 00:21:21,497 So some of those might be UFOs. 414 00:21:21,628 --> 00:21:23,798 But some of these could be a natural portal. 415 00:21:23,934 --> 00:21:24,764 Would you agree? 416 00:21:24,892 --> 00:21:26,462 >>GOODE: Exactly. 417 00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:28,029 >>DAVID: Jenny Randles also describes 418 00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:33,596 some people goingthrough these time slips, 419 00:21:33,727 --> 00:21:36,557 and that there's a pieceof furniture in their house 420 00:21:36,686 --> 00:21:37,906 that's now different. 421 00:21:38,035 --> 00:21:39,905 Or the walls are painted a different color. 422 00:21:40,037 --> 00:21:42,557 Or a window has curtainsthat didn't have curtains. 423 00:21:42,692 --> 00:21:46,872 Or that there's a stonepath from their front door 424 00:21:47,001 --> 00:21:49,481 to the street that wasn't there before. 425 00:21:49,612 --> 00:21:51,142 And everybody laughs away at this. 426 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:56,786 So is it possible that ifwe muck around by accident 427 00:21:56,924 --> 00:22:00,064 in a time slip, that theactual reality that we're in 428 00:22:00,188 --> 00:22:02,968 could just reconstruct arounda slightly different theme 429 00:22:03,104 --> 00:22:05,594 like that? 430 00:22:05,715 --> 00:22:07,535 >>GOODE: The people that were involved 431 00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:16,074 in these type of time experiments-- they 432 00:22:16,204 --> 00:22:20,034 were on the lookout for these types of things. 433 00:22:20,164 --> 00:22:22,824 They were to report them immediately 434 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:26,040 if they noticed things like that. 435 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:29,740 Like, they would go to hang their toothbrush up 436 00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:31,440 in their little toothbrush hanger. 437 00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:35,437 And all of a sudden, it's onthe other side of the wall, 438 00:22:35,571 --> 00:22:36,751 on the other side of the mirror. 439 00:22:39,836 --> 00:22:41,446 Weird things like that started happening 440 00:22:41,577 --> 00:22:44,147 to the people that were involved in some 441 00:22:44,275 --> 00:22:48,105 of these temporal experiments. 442 00:22:48,236 --> 00:22:49,406 That's pretty interesting. 443 00:22:49,542 --> 00:22:50,592 I hadn't heard of that book. 444 00:22:50,717 --> 00:22:54,157 But little things like that-- it's 445 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:55,545 interesting you bring that up. 446 00:22:55,678 --> 00:22:58,728 But those were some things that these people 447 00:22:58,855 --> 00:23:03,685 were told to keep an eye outfor and report immediately 448 00:23:03,817 --> 00:23:05,597 if they encountered. 449 00:23:05,732 --> 00:23:11,962 >>DAVID: Do you think thatthese bubbles that people-- 450 00:23:12,086 --> 00:23:14,516 and I understand you haven't read the book-- 451 00:23:14,654 --> 00:23:17,924 but these bubbles are on the move. 452 00:23:18,048 --> 00:23:21,878 And there's cases of aguy smoking a cigarette-- 453 00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:25,879 and when people say thata UFO shows up, they say, 454 00:23:26,013 --> 00:23:28,063 there's no sound. 455 00:23:28,189 --> 00:23:29,019 I don't hear birds. 456 00:23:29,146 --> 00:23:29,926 I don't hear the wind. 457 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:32,060 I don't hear anything. 458 00:23:32,193 --> 00:23:36,113 Could it be that that lackof sound in these UFO contact 459 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,720 experiences is because time has changed, 460 00:23:41,855 --> 00:23:43,895 and as the bird is making its cry, 461 00:23:44,031 --> 00:23:46,431 it's so slow now that youcan't hear it anymore? 462 00:23:46,555 --> 00:23:50,035 >>GOODE: No, that isabsolutely what's happening. 463 00:23:50,167 --> 00:23:51,907 That is absolutely what is happening. 464 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:56,129 That's when UFOs that have landed 465 00:23:56,260 --> 00:24:01,350 in people's front yards-- there have 466 00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:05,103 been people that have reported people 467 00:24:05,226 --> 00:24:08,486 out standing in their front yards, motionless. 468 00:24:08,621 --> 00:24:12,021 Cars driving down thestreets that just stopped, 469 00:24:12,146 --> 00:24:18,406 that are just-- and thingslike birds in midair, stopped. 470 00:24:18,544 --> 00:24:21,424 It is absolutely-- they have found a way. 471 00:24:21,547 --> 00:24:24,457 They're manipulating space and time. 472 00:24:24,593 --> 00:24:28,383 So absolutely, yes. 473 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:29,950 >>DAVID: Well, I want to thank you 474 00:24:30,077 --> 00:24:33,207 for getting into thisfascinating discussion with me. 475 00:24:33,341 --> 00:24:37,001 We are by no means done with talking about time. 476 00:24:37,127 --> 00:24:40,477 We have a whole year worth ofhalf hour episodes to fill up. 477 00:24:40,609 --> 00:24:42,179 And there is so much more that I want 478 00:24:42,306 --> 00:24:43,476 to talk to you about with this. 479 00:24:43,612 --> 00:24:46,222 Because this is a very big subject. 480 00:24:46,354 --> 00:24:47,834 And all kinds of interesting stuff 481 00:24:47,964 --> 00:24:49,924 coming up in our next episode. 482 00:24:50,053 --> 00:24:52,103 And I thank you for watching. 483 00:24:52,229 --> 00:24:55,489 [music playing]