1 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,066 I love being in the military. 2 00:00:52,466 --> 00:00:55,366 I love wearing the uniform. I'm proud to wear the uniform. 3 00:00:57,500 --> 00:00:59,100 I'd have never in a million years... 4 00:00:59,166 --> 00:01:02,400 imagined that I would be going to jail. 5 00:01:03,866 --> 00:01:05,366 After the first murder, 6 00:01:05,433 --> 00:01:10,600 everything that I believed in in the army was gone. 7 00:01:13,533 --> 00:01:15,766 People in my platoon, they just changed. 8 00:01:15,833 --> 00:01:17,766 Something in them changed. 9 00:01:21,766 --> 00:01:23,666 This was the platoon from hell. 10 00:01:23,733 --> 00:01:25,400 Accused of shocking crimes... 11 00:01:25,466 --> 00:01:29,100 that include murdering Afghans for sport. 12 00:01:29,166 --> 00:01:32,066 At the time, what was going on around us didn't-- 13 00:01:32,133 --> 00:01:34,100 It wasn't far-fetched. It wasn't bizarre. 14 00:01:34,166 --> 00:01:37,633 It was just, like, "All right. Sure." You know? 15 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:39,233 "This is okay." 16 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:41,933 Soldiers allegedly formed a Kill Team, 17 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,133 mutilating corpses, taking pot shots at Afghan civilians. 18 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,800 Right now, if you handed me a human finger, 19 00:01:46,866 --> 00:01:48,333 it would-- it would scare me. 20 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,500 But over there, it's-- it's combat, man. It happens. 21 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,233 Unarmed Afghan civilians... 22 00:01:54,300 --> 00:01:57,833 picked out, stood up, shot and then blown up. 23 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:02,766 I was so dead set on just avoiding this, staying out of it. 24 00:02:02,833 --> 00:02:04,800 I never wanted to kill anyone ever. 25 00:02:04,866 --> 00:02:08,266 Specialist Adam Winfield's father, Chris, warned the army, 26 00:02:08,333 --> 00:02:11,266 but tragically army officials refused to investigate. 27 00:02:11,333 --> 00:02:14,133 His son now charged in the third killing... 28 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,333 that took place three months later. 29 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,333 Is your son a whistle-blower or a murderer? 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,233 He's a whistle-blower. He-- He tried. The army didn't listen. 31 00:02:24,466 --> 00:02:27,433 When we first heard that Adam was brought in... 32 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:29,633 and we felt like he was safe, 33 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:33,100 the army told us everything was gonna be okay. 34 00:02:35,066 --> 00:02:37,000 But as soon as he stepped off the airplane, 35 00:02:37,066 --> 00:02:39,200 they arrested him for murder. 36 00:02:44,433 --> 00:02:46,266 We don't-- We don't know what's going on. 37 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:48,233 We don't know how this has occurred. 38 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:50,666 We-- We know that months ago, 39 00:02:50,733 --> 00:02:53,366 he tried to tell people what was going on... 40 00:02:53,433 --> 00:02:55,033 and now suddenly he's being charged... 41 00:02:55,100 --> 00:02:57,566 with the same crimes that he reported. 42 00:03:11,966 --> 00:03:14,333 Left. Left, right. 43 00:03:20,333 --> 00:03:22,933 The army says they want to move this case, 44 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,700 but yet every action that they've taken beguiles that very notion. 45 00:03:26,766 --> 00:03:29,333 I mean, we were supposed to be going to trial, 46 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,700 and they're just now coming to the table... 47 00:03:31,766 --> 00:03:34,733 with new evidence they've discovered? Bullshit. 48 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,200 Okay? It's just bullshit. 49 00:03:36,266 --> 00:03:37,866 So my eye is toward getting-- 50 00:03:37,933 --> 00:03:39,466 I've been confined... 51 00:03:40,666 --> 00:03:43,233 367 days. 52 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:49,600 They are trying to get me... 53 00:03:49,666 --> 00:03:52,333 for premeditated murder in the first degree, which is... 54 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,533 a mandatory minimum sentence of life. 55 00:03:56,666 --> 00:03:59,866 So I'm depressed constantly, constantly, 56 00:03:59,933 --> 00:04:05,166 and my anxiety is at levels that I've never experienced before. 57 00:04:07,866 --> 00:04:10,066 - Same guy, right? - Yup. 58 00:04:10,133 --> 00:04:12,800 Same situation. Same guy as this guy. 59 00:04:12,866 --> 00:04:14,266 Same guy as this guy. 60 00:04:14,333 --> 00:04:16,166 So, the army's evidence-- 61 00:04:16,233 --> 00:04:18,566 At one point in time, overseas, 62 00:04:18,633 --> 00:04:22,266 the people in my platoon and my squad leader were murdering people. 63 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:24,400 Are they trying to say this is the victim? 64 00:04:24,466 --> 00:04:26,366 Well, then they come along... 65 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:29,333 and then they say that this is the victim. 66 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,433 It was, like, I can make a stand out here... 67 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:34,933 and risk my life, or I can just... 68 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,633 try to stay out of it as best as I can. 69 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:41,200 You know. 70 00:04:41,266 --> 00:04:43,733 Unfortunately, it didn't pan out that way. 71 00:04:58,066 --> 00:05:01,966 ♪ And ripped them away ♪ 72 00:05:02,033 --> 00:05:06,133 ♪ She was queen for about an hour ♪ 73 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,933 ♪ After that, shit got sour ♪♪ 74 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,200 As infantrymen, your entire existence is like a series of tests. 75 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,466 Are you man enough? Are you tough enough? 76 00:05:19,533 --> 00:05:21,300 Uh, you know, can you pull the trigger? 77 00:05:21,366 --> 00:05:23,033 Can you kill? Can you survive? 78 00:05:26,566 --> 00:05:29,933 Our brigade commander described it before we left. 79 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,266 "Afghanistan is a warrior's paradise." 80 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:35,733 My first firefight-- We were just getting ready... 81 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,400 to walk into this village through the wall... 82 00:05:37,466 --> 00:05:39,166 and then bullets are flying right over your head. 83 00:05:39,233 --> 00:05:41,266 I mean, hitting the trees right behind you. 84 00:05:41,333 --> 00:05:43,433 And the first thing that came to my mind... 85 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:46,066 when that was, was "Danger Zone" from Top Gun. 86 00:05:51,566 --> 00:05:53,033 It was intense. 87 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:54,566 You know, it was-- it was really cool. 88 00:05:54,633 --> 00:05:57,633 You can hear the firefight going on right down the way... 89 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:01,066 and we've got helicopters and fast movers and, uh, explosions. 90 00:06:01,133 --> 00:06:03,433 All the bullshit paid off right there. 91 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:06,033 I mean, all the-- all the rock marchin'... 92 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:08,500 and the dumb shit, it was all worth it. 93 00:06:08,566 --> 00:06:11,533 I mean, I don't know if it was the adrenaline or what it was, 94 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,433 but to finally be able to start and do your job for real was, like, 95 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:16,600 "All right. Right on. This is cool." 96 00:06:16,666 --> 00:06:19,000 Like, a couple guys-- like, we were laughing our asses off... 97 00:06:19,066 --> 00:06:20,600 the first time we started getting shot at. 98 00:06:20,666 --> 00:06:22,800 You get the reason why you wanted to join... 99 00:06:22,866 --> 00:06:25,600 for all of, you know, 10 minutes-- 10, 15 minutes, 100 00:06:25,666 --> 00:06:28,100 but then it's just back to the grind, you know? 101 00:06:28,166 --> 00:06:30,666 Hating life. Just suckin'. 102 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,400 This is boring as fuck. 103 00:06:42,533 --> 00:06:44,500 So, uh... 104 00:06:45,466 --> 00:06:46,933 here we are. 105 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,200 Middle of nowhere, Afghanistan. 106 00:06:49,266 --> 00:06:54,166 Uh, been out here about three days now. 107 00:06:54,233 --> 00:06:57,200 This sucks a lot. 108 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:02,466 I expected climbing mountains and firefights every day... 109 00:07:02,533 --> 00:07:05,033 and staying out for days at a time. 110 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:06,733 It really wasn't anything like that. 111 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,933 You drive out to a village, find the local elder, mullah, whatever, 112 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,100 and the L.T. asks him some questions, and then you drive back. 113 00:07:15,866 --> 00:07:18,166 Ooh, look. There's an I.E.D. 114 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,733 - One-two. - One-two, you okay? 115 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,933 What the hell we were, you know, risking our fuckin' necks for... 116 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,666 driving across the desert, waiting for a buddy to get blown up... 117 00:07:29,733 --> 00:07:31,600 just to go ask some old dude some questions. 118 00:07:31,666 --> 00:07:33,966 Like, for what? You know? 119 00:07:36,366 --> 00:07:39,466 Patrolling the streets of-- Where are we? 120 00:07:39,533 --> 00:07:43,133 We are in Tabin-eh Bulya. 121 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,233 Tabin-eh-- Whatever. 122 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:46,800 - Yeah. - We're in Afghanistan. 123 00:07:46,866 --> 00:07:48,433 Great place. 124 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:51,566 Lots of, uh, friendly people here wanting to kill us. 125 00:07:51,633 --> 00:07:53,700 Our biggest fear is stepping on land mines. 126 00:07:53,766 --> 00:07:55,133 Yeah. Look at the ground. 127 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,166 Or pressure plates. 128 00:07:57,233 --> 00:07:58,800 We gotta walk around all day. 129 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:04,333 Making sure we don't hit any I.E.D.s. 130 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:08,100 We've been training to do one thing all this time, 131 00:08:08,166 --> 00:08:09,666 counterguerilla stuff. 132 00:08:09,733 --> 00:08:11,966 And, you know, being a warrior and going kicking ass. 133 00:08:12,033 --> 00:08:15,000 And then you get there, and we're forced to go and help them... 134 00:08:15,066 --> 00:08:17,166 and build them a well, a school or whatever. 135 00:08:19,066 --> 00:08:20,900 To do any offensive operation, 136 00:08:20,966 --> 00:08:25,000 you needed the top fuckin' signature from, you know, whoever-- 137 00:08:25,066 --> 00:08:27,700 big dog general or President Karzai himself. 138 00:08:27,766 --> 00:08:30,333 You can't shoot somebody because of this reason. 139 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,466 You can't do it because of that reason. 140 00:08:32,533 --> 00:08:35,533 They blow you up and you see them driving away... 141 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,900 It was nothing like what everybody hyped it to be. 142 00:08:41,966 --> 00:08:49,000 And part of that's probably why, you know, things happened. 143 00:09:01,566 --> 00:09:05,133 There are certain facts that are not in dispute. 144 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,733 You have dead guy. 145 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:13,866 Two people within 15-20 meters pointing their gun at this guy, 146 00:09:13,933 --> 00:09:17,433 unarmed civilian, and he's dead. 147 00:09:19,066 --> 00:09:20,600 Why is that? 148 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:27,733 So, we've got to walk a fairly close line... 149 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,466 with the moral piece on this, 150 00:09:29,533 --> 00:09:33,633 because he's not totally clean-gloved. 151 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,566 I guess I'm looking at it from a different perspective. 152 00:09:42,133 --> 00:09:44,533 To somebody who's looking at it in a vacuum, 153 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,433 they've got to decide, is it more likely than not, 154 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:50,033 or beyond all reasonable doubt, that this guy, 155 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:54,500 on that day, knew what was about to happen and participated willingly. 156 00:09:56,300 --> 00:09:59,200 And it sounds like he did under one version of the story. 157 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:01,933 It's plausible. It's possible. 158 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,266 Adam was there. He discharged his weapon. 159 00:10:04,333 --> 00:10:07,400 There are a lot of witnesses that will corroborate that. 160 00:10:07,466 --> 00:10:10,433 The only-- The only distinction is: 161 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:13,966 What was in his brain at that moment. 162 00:10:14,033 --> 00:10:16,333 Was he a willing participant or not? 163 00:10:23,833 --> 00:10:26,233 We're doing a battalion push on this village. 164 00:10:26,300 --> 00:10:28,500 And, I mean, it wasn't even 30 minutes in. 165 00:10:28,566 --> 00:10:30,600 Pulled up to town. Our squad leader hit an I.E.D. 166 00:10:31,633 --> 00:10:33,933 And, uh, I think severed his left leg. 167 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,200 I only got to see him in the hospital... 168 00:10:36,266 --> 00:10:39,666 before they flew him to Germany, and he was heavily sedated. 169 00:10:39,733 --> 00:10:42,300 He had his eyes closed and we went up and we just said, 170 00:10:42,366 --> 00:10:44,833 "We apologize. We couldn't have been there, man. 171 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:47,433 You know, you're a brother to us and we love you." 172 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:54,033 Hey, you fuckin' move. 173 00:10:55,633 --> 00:10:57,766 After that, we were down a guy. 174 00:10:57,833 --> 00:10:59,333 We needed a new squad leader. 175 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,900 And then, it was a couple of weeks later, I guess, 176 00:11:01,966 --> 00:11:03,366 that's when Gibbs showed up. 177 00:11:03,433 --> 00:11:04,966 We'd been in country a while. 178 00:11:05,033 --> 00:11:07,566 You've been training with each other for years and you get a new guy. 179 00:11:07,633 --> 00:11:09,400 You're like, "All right. Who the fuck's this guy?" 180 00:11:09,466 --> 00:11:12,566 I mean, you see him, you're, like, "All right. Well, that's-- 181 00:11:12,633 --> 00:11:15,166 that's the mold of an infantryman right there." 182 00:11:19,166 --> 00:11:20,633 If the government was gonna... 183 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:22,966 push 'em out on an assembly line, that would be the guy. 184 00:11:23,033 --> 00:11:25,100 He was an infantry vet already. 185 00:11:25,166 --> 00:11:27,500 He'd already been in Afghanistan and Iraq. 186 00:11:27,566 --> 00:11:29,600 He wasn't afraid to change the tactics. 187 00:11:29,666 --> 00:11:32,933 Bring the fight to us versus going looking for one that didn't exist. 188 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,166 Other squad leaders follow the rules to a "T." 189 00:11:37,233 --> 00:11:39,900 Gibbs was a much different story. 190 00:11:39,966 --> 00:11:43,166 Odds are, you work for him, you're probably gonna come back in one piece. 191 00:11:43,233 --> 00:11:46,766 Or you could work for the guy who follows the rules and get your ass blown up. 192 00:11:46,833 --> 00:11:49,766 He never talked to me about what he did in Iraq. I did see his tattoos. 193 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,400 He was sittin' there, workin' out... 194 00:11:53,466 --> 00:11:55,100 and I was, like, "Skulls." You know. 195 00:11:55,166 --> 00:11:56,633 "That's cool. What does it mean?" 196 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:59,233 I didn't get an answer from him, but I asked someone else. 197 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:01,033 They're, like, "Oh. Those are the dudes he's killed." 198 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,966 People outside this room... 199 00:12:09,033 --> 00:12:12,333 are not our friends, not one. 200 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,366 We have to protect the zone. 201 00:12:15,433 --> 00:12:18,966 Nobody gets in the zone. Nobody comes in this room. 202 00:12:19,033 --> 00:12:21,300 We don't talk to anybody. They-- They-- 203 00:12:21,366 --> 00:12:23,533 Nothing. Okay? They are on lockdown. 204 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,533 It is a military justice system. 205 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,433 Unlike the civilian world where there are impartial parties, 206 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:36,166 the people that are accusing Adam of these very crimes are, 207 00:12:36,233 --> 00:12:38,766 in essence, the same people that determine... 208 00:12:38,833 --> 00:12:41,733 who will hear the case, who will be the jury... 209 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,133 and who will hand down the decision for sentencing. 210 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,300 They are the judge and jury. 211 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:52,600 Literally, judge and jury. 212 00:12:52,666 --> 00:12:54,100 So, talking to any of them, 213 00:12:54,166 --> 00:12:58,100 even if they have a smile on their face, means absolutely nothing. 214 00:12:58,166 --> 00:13:00,700 They're all the enemy. 215 00:13:02,733 --> 00:13:07,133 And so we go into every meeting, 216 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,366 knowing that we're fighting for his life. 217 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,533 Me and Gibbs spent a lot of time together... 218 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,733 on the same truck for those first couple weeks. 219 00:13:24,566 --> 00:13:27,233 We were just getting to know each other and shooting the shit. 220 00:13:27,300 --> 00:13:29,166 "Hey, what was your last deployment like?" 221 00:13:29,233 --> 00:13:31,166 He spoke specifically about one incident I remember. 222 00:13:31,233 --> 00:13:34,433 Uh, when he was in Iraq, he was a SAW gunner. 223 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:37,433 And, um, he was crossing a road. I don't know. 224 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:41,266 And, um, a car was coming at him, didn't stop, 225 00:13:41,333 --> 00:13:45,466 so he opened up on the car, and it ended up being a family. 226 00:13:45,533 --> 00:13:48,066 I think, a mother, father and a small child was killed. 227 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:50,566 He could have stopped the vehicle... 228 00:13:50,633 --> 00:13:52,766 or let them go by and nothing would have came of it, 229 00:13:52,833 --> 00:13:55,133 but he described it to me as, like, he was looking... 230 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,066 for that opportunity for a while and had been. 231 00:13:57,133 --> 00:14:00,566 'Cause that could have been something very easily turned around and justified. 232 00:14:00,633 --> 00:14:03,500 You could easily justify that situation. 233 00:14:03,566 --> 00:14:05,066 They were charging. 234 00:14:05,133 --> 00:14:06,666 There was no one there to see anything different. 235 00:14:06,733 --> 00:14:09,366 He was, like, "Yeah, dude. I just said this and it was cool. 236 00:14:09,433 --> 00:14:11,633 No one questioned it. You know, it was that easy." 237 00:14:12,866 --> 00:14:15,366 So, that was, like, the first step, 238 00:14:15,433 --> 00:14:17,733 which ultimately ended up leading into our own conversations... 239 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,766 about how we could maybe implement things in that sort of same way. 240 00:14:23,866 --> 00:14:28,333 The first conversation was-- It was based around the idea of a drop weapon. 241 00:14:30,066 --> 00:14:31,533 I've always heard about people, you know, 242 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,700 in Iraq or Afghanistan or whatnot, 243 00:14:33,766 --> 00:14:37,833 when you find a weapon, you know, you hold onto it in case you need it. 244 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:39,833 In case, you know, some, you know-- 245 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:43,266 A civilian gets hit and you need to drop it on 'em, 246 00:14:43,333 --> 00:14:46,566 so they're not, you know, they don't look innocent. 247 00:14:46,633 --> 00:14:51,233 During one of our smoke sessions, Morlock brought up the fact... 248 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:55,333 that he could get easy kills by, uh, setting people up. 249 00:14:56,333 --> 00:14:57,866 He said he'd been talking... 250 00:14:57,933 --> 00:15:01,433 with Sergeant Gibbs, and he was telling him how he could get a kill. 251 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,466 Just buy a hand grenade off the books. That's all you need. 252 00:15:04,533 --> 00:15:06,633 The idea he kind of pitched me was, like, "Well, hey, dude. 253 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:08,833 I've got a couple extra grenades that aren't being tracked." 254 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:13,533 So, the idea, we could say, was we were approached by a local-- 255 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,900 a bad guy, was what we'll call him-- 256 00:15:15,966 --> 00:15:17,866 and he approached us, we-- 257 00:15:17,933 --> 00:15:19,333 He either threw the grenade at us... 258 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,100 or we noticed the grenade in his hand... 259 00:15:21,166 --> 00:15:23,200 and we detonate the grenade to make it look... 260 00:15:23,266 --> 00:15:25,600 like this guy was attacking us and we had to take him out. 261 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,233 Who in their right mind's... 262 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:29,766 gonna think that we made this up? 263 00:15:29,833 --> 00:15:33,033 If we-- I mean, it's a believable enough situation to where-- 264 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:35,300 Who's gonna question it? You know what I mean? 265 00:15:35,366 --> 00:15:37,666 So, you're just, like, "Well, you're right. 266 00:15:37,733 --> 00:15:40,366 Doesn't sound-- Yeah. We could pull that off." 267 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,566 On our minds, we'd been here for months. 268 00:15:43,633 --> 00:15:45,800 And nobody's innocent because these guys... 269 00:15:45,866 --> 00:15:49,033 either know the Taliban, they're either working with them-- 270 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:50,533 and they're not working with, or for us, 271 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,233 and we're here to help 'em, and they don't give us any help. 272 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:55,300 We're just getting blown up every time we go out there... 273 00:15:55,366 --> 00:15:56,933 to, you know, just to talk with them... 274 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,500 or build them a well, so fuck 'em. 275 00:16:13,933 --> 00:16:15,633 Ever since I made... 276 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:21,666 my first statement, it's just been fear of the guys from my platoon. 277 00:16:21,733 --> 00:16:25,766 I get nightmares about that even, just them hunting me. 278 00:16:30,233 --> 00:16:32,400 And it's always back over there, too. 279 00:16:32,466 --> 00:16:34,333 It's back in the theater. 280 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,266 It's not-- It's never in the States. 281 00:16:36,333 --> 00:16:39,400 It's always-- I'm always over there. 282 00:16:39,466 --> 00:16:43,666 In the last year, I felt kind of... 283 00:16:43,733 --> 00:16:50,700 as the enemy of the platoon, because I was one of the few to come clean and-- 284 00:16:52,166 --> 00:16:54,666 And do you die in these nightmares? 285 00:16:54,733 --> 00:16:56,100 You do?Mm-hmm. 286 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:57,800 How do they kill you? 287 00:16:57,866 --> 00:16:59,500 They blow me up, mostly. 288 00:16:59,566 --> 00:17:02,400 Normally, it involves a grenade. 289 00:17:02,466 --> 00:17:07,633 Couple times, it's been, like, blunt objects. 290 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:10,766 And it's just not ever even have a chance to run from 'em. 291 00:17:10,833 --> 00:17:14,166 It's just-- They always catch me. 292 00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:18,533 You know, I've said some incriminating things about some of these guys... 293 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,433 and, you know, it's not hard for me to believe... 294 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:24,366 that they would want some sort of retribution. 295 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:27,000 And that's the worst part about it. 296 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,233 The same people that I was-- 297 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:34,433 been in fear of the last year are also the same people... 298 00:17:34,500 --> 00:17:38,433 that, you know, I've lived with the last four years. 299 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:42,566 These people were my friends and, at some point in time, 300 00:17:42,633 --> 00:17:45,466 they were also willing to lay their life down for me. 301 00:17:45,533 --> 00:17:49,600 And I, you know, I have to remember that. 302 00:18:34,066 --> 00:18:36,100 In La'l Mohammad Kalay, 303 00:18:36,166 --> 00:18:39,000 there was an incident with a grenade... 304 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,700 That day, you know, we had our high-ups... 305 00:18:49,766 --> 00:18:52,033 on the top of the hill talking to the village elder. 306 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:54,400 Myself and, uh, Holmes found ourself... 307 00:18:54,466 --> 00:18:57,766 kind of secluded from the majority of the platoon. 308 00:18:57,833 --> 00:19:01,266 I was, like, "Hey, man. Let's see if we can get one of those guys over there. 309 00:19:01,333 --> 00:19:03,033 There's a guy farming a field." 310 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,800 We talked about specifics. 311 00:19:05,866 --> 00:19:07,400 What was gonna happen. 312 00:19:07,466 --> 00:19:10,100 "Hey, this guy was coming towards us. We told him to stop. 313 00:19:10,166 --> 00:19:11,733 He didn't listen to our commands. 314 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,000 Holmes identified something in his hand. He thought it was a grenade. 315 00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:17,233 Threw something at us, and so we engaged him... 316 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:18,866 and took cover behind the wall." 317 00:19:18,933 --> 00:19:20,433 And that's what we talked about. 318 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:23,566 I'm standing back up, getting ready to look back over, 319 00:19:23,633 --> 00:19:27,966 and I have, you know, Morlock scream in my ear, "Grenade! Holmes, shoot him!" 320 00:19:28,033 --> 00:19:29,933 Pulled the grenade, dropped it, got down. 321 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,866 Yelled at Holmes, "Fire." Which, you know, seemed like a fuckin' eternity. 322 00:19:32,933 --> 00:19:37,233 I had five seconds from the time that pin falls off from the grenade... 323 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:38,933 until it will explode. 324 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,533 He let off a burst from the SAW. 325 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,566 I pulled his ass down. Grenade goes off. 326 00:19:42,633 --> 00:19:45,400 A lot of confusion, a lot of dust come up, you know. 327 00:19:45,466 --> 00:19:48,433 I looked over to my left, 'cause that's where Morlock was. 328 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:50,100 He had his back against the wall. 329 00:19:50,166 --> 00:19:51,633 He has his radio and he's yelling. 330 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,766 Um, he was telling everyone, "Contact. Contact. Contact." 331 00:19:54,833 --> 00:19:59,500 I just heard, "Contact," and thought we got contact. 332 00:19:59,566 --> 00:20:01,433 Then, as soon as I heard the description... 333 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:03,800 of what happened, it all clicked. 334 00:20:03,866 --> 00:20:05,733 What that-- He just said... 335 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,400 that someone tried to throw a hand grenade... 336 00:20:07,466 --> 00:20:09,600 at him and Holmes and they shot him. 337 00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:12,566 And that was the same scenario he explained to me. 338 00:20:12,633 --> 00:20:15,533 And I look over and I ask him, you know, "Do we reengage?" 339 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,233 Do we get back up and, you know, shoot the guy or whatnot? 340 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:20,900 And, uh, Morlock didn't answer me. 341 00:20:20,966 --> 00:20:24,333 He just stood back up, looked over at the guy who was on the ground, 342 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,300 you know, pulled up his M4 and just pop, pop, two more shots. 343 00:20:30,133 --> 00:20:31,600 He didn't register as a person. 344 00:20:31,666 --> 00:20:35,233 He wasn't-- He was just, you know, there. 345 00:20:40,066 --> 00:20:41,600 I was excited. Me and Holmes both kinda were. 346 00:20:41,666 --> 00:20:45,366 I mean, like he said, it plays that whole... 347 00:20:45,433 --> 00:20:48,033 you know, ideology of the infantry world. 348 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:49,933 It was just like, "Fuck. Right on, man." 349 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,433 We got a kill, whether, you know, it was-- 350 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:54,300 we knew he was a bad guy or not. 351 00:20:54,366 --> 00:20:56,466 So they brought the father down, the brother down. 352 00:20:56,533 --> 00:20:58,800 They said, "Well, do you know this guy?" 353 00:20:58,866 --> 00:21:00,600 The guy goes, "Yeah. That's my son." 354 00:21:01,933 --> 00:21:04,466 And, uh, the brother's sitting there... 355 00:21:04,533 --> 00:21:07,766 and they just-- they're both just crying. You know. 356 00:21:09,433 --> 00:21:12,500 We then put him in a black body bag... 357 00:21:12,566 --> 00:21:16,266 and took him to the top of the village. 358 00:21:16,333 --> 00:21:19,466 And strapped him down to the front of one of the Strykers... 359 00:21:19,533 --> 00:21:22,300 and we took him back to the-- to the FOB. 360 00:21:22,366 --> 00:21:23,900 Jumped back in the truck. 361 00:21:23,966 --> 00:21:28,566 You know, we're all hyped up on all this freakin' adrenaline... 362 00:21:28,633 --> 00:21:30,433 and just not knowing what's gonna happen next. 363 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:35,433 And we get back to the FOB and, you know, it was-- 364 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,966 it was like I was looked upon like a-- like a hero. 365 00:21:38,033 --> 00:21:40,666 They were gettin' all the applause. 366 00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:44,333 Everybody was, you know, giving 'em high fives and handshakes... 367 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,366 and, you know, telling 'em they're, you know, made men... 368 00:21:48,433 --> 00:21:52,000 and, you know, they're the-- everyone needs to look up to them. 369 00:21:52,066 --> 00:21:53,800 And, you know, I knew differently. 370 00:21:53,866 --> 00:21:58,100 And everybody else knew differently too, but it was accepted. 371 00:21:58,166 --> 00:22:01,300 Anybody with half a brain can go, 372 00:22:01,366 --> 00:22:06,600 "Okay. You guys set this guy up to get shot. Whatever." 373 00:22:07,833 --> 00:22:09,333 I didn't care. 374 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,133 And I remember we were smokin', we were high. 375 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,466 And Morlock's like, "Man. You know, we straight murdered that dude." 376 00:22:26,933 --> 00:22:28,466 - Hello? 377 00:22:28,533 --> 00:22:30,300 This call is from a collection facility... 378 00:22:30,366 --> 00:22:31,966 and is subject to monitoring and recording. 379 00:22:32,033 --> 00:22:33,900 Hey. 380 00:22:33,966 --> 00:22:35,900 - Hey. How you doing? - All right. 381 00:22:35,966 --> 00:22:37,666 - How was your day? - It was okay. 382 00:22:37,733 --> 00:22:39,166 Was it? What'd you do today? 383 00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:40,766 Anything? Did you get to go outside at all? 384 00:22:40,833 --> 00:22:44,733 - Got back from rec. - Did you? That's good. 385 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,933 We're probably thinking of Mom coming out next Friday. 386 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,466 - What's the point? - What do you mean, what's the point? 387 00:22:52,533 --> 00:22:54,166 I'm not getting out. 388 00:22:54,233 --> 00:22:58,233 Adam, don't start losing faith now. 389 00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:00,766 I mean, I know that you're there day to day, 390 00:23:00,833 --> 00:23:03,733 but, believe me, my heart breaks every day too. 391 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,333 I know. 392 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,400 And maybe I'm not confined, but I am confined. 393 00:23:16,066 --> 00:23:18,366 When I joined the Marine Corps, it was peacetime. 394 00:23:18,433 --> 00:23:20,400 It was-- It was completely different. 395 00:23:20,466 --> 00:23:22,033 When Adam came home and said he wanted... 396 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:25,100 to join the service, we were in war. 397 00:23:25,166 --> 00:23:29,200 I had a couple long talks with Adam about that. 398 00:23:29,266 --> 00:23:30,866 You know, he had pretty much told us... 399 00:23:30,933 --> 00:23:33,733 that, you know, "I want your permission, 400 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,833 but, you know, when I turn 18, I'm gonna sign up anyway." 401 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:38,433 If we made him wait until he was 18, 402 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,700 there was always gonna be that... 403 00:23:40,766 --> 00:23:43,700 "they didn't believe in me and they didn't think I could do this." 404 00:23:43,766 --> 00:23:47,233 And I didn't ever want Adam to feel like we didn't believe in him. 405 00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:53,266 When we flew out there and he said, 406 00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:55,700 "This is it. I'm going to Afghanistan." 407 00:23:57,833 --> 00:23:59,733 I told him, "Don't be a hero. 408 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,466 Just do your job and come home." 409 00:24:23,366 --> 00:24:25,500 Gibbs, like, a couple hours after we got back, 410 00:24:25,566 --> 00:24:27,133 is like, "Hey, Holmes, come check this out." 411 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,433 So, I walked in the tent back to his room... 412 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:32,333 and he pulls out a little piece of cloth inside of a bag... 413 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,266 and he pulls out a finger... 414 00:24:34,333 --> 00:24:36,166 and he's like, "This is from your guy." 415 00:24:36,233 --> 00:24:37,766 His idea behind it was... 416 00:24:37,833 --> 00:24:40,466 he was gonna take the fingers and then let them decompose... 417 00:24:40,533 --> 00:24:43,566 and then take the bone and make a finger bone necklace out of it. 418 00:24:43,633 --> 00:24:45,700 And you're, yeah, well, fuck, lookin' at it, 419 00:24:45,766 --> 00:24:47,566 it's like, "All right. That's pretty fuckin' crazy, dude." 420 00:24:47,633 --> 00:24:50,433 But, at the same time, like, our mind-sets... 421 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,600 are not on the normal level of everybody else's... 422 00:24:52,666 --> 00:24:54,200 and so it was just like-- 423 00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:57,766 I mean, war trophies have been, you know, since the Bible. 424 00:24:57,833 --> 00:25:00,833 They cut Solomon's head off. You know what I mean? So, it's just like-- 425 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,333 Then we're there, and you're seeing bluts and gore all the time. 426 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,200 It's war, and you're just like, "All right. Well, whatever." 427 00:25:05,266 --> 00:25:07,033 I'm not gonna make a fuckin' bone necklace, 428 00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:08,500 but if you want one, man, whatever. 429 00:25:08,566 --> 00:25:10,333 That's cool. It's your thing. Go for it. 430 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,966 I just thought, "What happened to these guys? 431 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:15,366 What happened to the guys that I knew? 432 00:25:16,266 --> 00:25:18,166 Why are they all okay with this? 433 00:25:18,233 --> 00:25:20,133 Why isn't anyone stepping up? 434 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:26,600 Like, why am I the only one that's not okay with this? 435 00:25:26,666 --> 00:25:28,666 Why is it just me?" 436 00:26:44,366 --> 00:26:48,166 Adam had to actually tell me in the Facebook chat, 437 00:26:48,233 --> 00:26:51,100 "Don't you understand what I'm saying? 438 00:26:51,166 --> 00:26:53,466 That they're killing people here... 439 00:26:53,533 --> 00:26:56,766 that are innocent." 440 00:26:56,833 --> 00:27:00,466 I had to do a double take and it just was like, "Whew." 441 00:27:04,733 --> 00:27:12,300 It was, like, uh, a rush just came over me. Just-- 442 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:26,900 The only thing I could think of was... 443 00:27:26,966 --> 00:27:28,900 he was, like, 8,000 miles away... 444 00:27:28,966 --> 00:27:30,733 and there was nothing I could do. 445 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,200 I couldn't take any more. 446 00:28:28,266 --> 00:28:32,000 I wanted to tell somebody what was going on. 447 00:28:32,066 --> 00:28:35,600 I didn't have access to the M.P.s. 448 00:28:35,666 --> 00:28:37,166 If I told someone... 449 00:28:37,233 --> 00:28:39,700 in the chain of command, it would come right back, 450 00:28:39,766 --> 00:28:42,200 'cause that's how things are in the infantry. 451 00:28:42,266 --> 00:28:44,733 We tend to handle things in house. 452 00:28:47,366 --> 00:28:50,400 I felt like I had nowhere to go in the platoon. 453 00:28:50,466 --> 00:28:55,233 Everybody was on Sergeant Gibbs' side, and he had their loyalty. 454 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,400 So, it's my word against 30 other guys. 455 00:29:02,433 --> 00:29:04,033 Someone had told us that Winfield... 456 00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:05,800 was gonna go out and talk to the chaplain... 457 00:29:05,866 --> 00:29:08,000 'cause he was having, uh, issues. 458 00:29:08,066 --> 00:29:10,166 I can tell the chaplain. He's not gonna fail me. 459 00:29:10,233 --> 00:29:12,400 He's the chaplain. 460 00:29:12,466 --> 00:29:15,133 And, uh, before I went over there... 461 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,666 to talk to the chaplain, Sergeant Gibbs escorted me. 462 00:29:19,933 --> 00:29:21,466 As we're walking down there, he says, 463 00:29:21,533 --> 00:29:23,300 "You're not thinking about saying anything... 464 00:29:23,366 --> 00:29:25,300 that you shouldn't be talking about, are you?" 465 00:29:25,366 --> 00:29:26,833 So, Gibbs-- I don't even know... 466 00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:28,366 when it took place. 467 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:30,100 You know, brought up the idea, kinda like, 468 00:29:30,166 --> 00:29:31,766 "Hey. man, Winfield might be a liability. 469 00:29:31,833 --> 00:29:33,600 I might have to take that guy out." 470 00:29:33,666 --> 00:29:35,666 I go, "What the fuck you talkin' about, man?" 471 00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:38,400 He says, "Well, you know, he knows a lot of stuff... 472 00:29:38,466 --> 00:29:40,266 about what's going on and what we've done... 473 00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:42,833 and, you know, it's too easy." 474 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:45,200 "What are you-- What do you mean, it's too easy?" 475 00:29:45,266 --> 00:29:46,800 And he says we could-- 476 00:29:46,866 --> 00:29:50,700 We could take him to the gym, drop a weight on his head. 477 00:29:50,766 --> 00:29:54,000 We can drop a tow bar on him, so he'll go away. 478 00:30:13,533 --> 00:30:15,933 I asked Morlock about it a few times. 479 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,866 "Hey, man, what's going on? Are you guys plottin' on me or something?" 480 00:30:19,933 --> 00:30:22,600 And he even told me straight up, "Yeah. 481 00:30:22,666 --> 00:30:24,966 You know, we're thinkin' about doing something to you. 482 00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:29,500 Don't know what, but something, definitely." 483 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,933 Okay. So you got safety on on white. 484 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,466 Mm-hmm. 485 00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:39,866 Flip it up to red. You're ready to go. 486 00:30:39,933 --> 00:30:41,433 Mm-hmm.Okay? 487 00:30:56,733 --> 00:31:00,500 You know, this has become a big story in the press... 488 00:31:00,566 --> 00:31:03,600 and we had people standing at our front door with cameras. 489 00:31:03,666 --> 00:31:06,100 We had people following us everywhere I went. 490 00:31:06,166 --> 00:31:09,433 You get people that think the worst of everything... 491 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,333 and they, you know, they hear, 492 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,733 "Oh, he's arrested for murder, then he must be guilty." 493 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,333 Three. 494 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,166 How many can you put in there?Eleven. 495 00:31:17,233 --> 00:31:19,966 We have had some threats. 496 00:31:20,033 --> 00:31:21,500 I mean, not in so many words, 497 00:31:21,566 --> 00:31:23,300 but, you know, you can read between the lines... 498 00:31:23,366 --> 00:31:26,100 that "we know where you live, we know your address." 499 00:31:26,166 --> 00:31:29,166 And I have to protect my family. 500 00:31:29,233 --> 00:31:31,733 It's a 9mm Ruger. 501 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,433 I have it sitting by the bedside, loaded and ready to go. 502 00:31:36,766 --> 00:31:39,333 We don't want to be caught with our guard down. 503 00:32:17,533 --> 00:32:21,700 So, I started making phone calls. I didn't know who to call. 504 00:32:21,766 --> 00:32:25,966 I was getting voice mail everywhere I called, for the most part. 505 00:32:26,033 --> 00:32:28,000 Um, and I was leaving messages, 506 00:32:28,066 --> 00:32:29,666 hoping somebody would call me back. 507 00:32:29,733 --> 00:32:32,300 I thought about, you know, what I would have to do... 508 00:32:32,366 --> 00:32:34,566 if they came after me in the middle of the night. 509 00:32:35,566 --> 00:32:37,966 I kept a gun always around me... 510 00:32:38,033 --> 00:32:41,366 and, you know, a knife on me handy and stuff like that... 511 00:32:41,433 --> 00:32:43,666 and always looked over my shoulder all the time. 512 00:32:43,733 --> 00:32:47,066 I was frantic. I was just-- I was just panicking. 513 00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:49,233 I was loud. I was, "Please call me back." 514 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:50,966 I mean, there was stress in my voice, 515 00:32:51,033 --> 00:32:54,400 and I-- and, you know, I was just-- I did not-- 516 00:32:54,466 --> 00:32:56,633 I was scrambling. I didn't know who to call. 517 00:32:56,700 --> 00:33:00,833 Gibbs seemed like he was recruiting more people... 518 00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:03,666 to this Kill Team idea, basically. 519 00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:06,200 I, you know, I see other squad leaders, other soldiers... 520 00:33:06,266 --> 00:33:07,866 going up to Sergeant Gibbs, 521 00:33:07,933 --> 00:33:09,500 "Hey, man, you gotta get me a kill. 522 00:33:09,566 --> 00:33:11,200 You gotta help me get something." 523 00:33:11,266 --> 00:33:13,000 And he'd be, like, "Just tell me when." 524 00:33:13,066 --> 00:33:16,500 I called the army. Called the army hotline. 525 00:33:16,566 --> 00:33:20,266 I called, um, Army C.I.D. in Virginia, 526 00:33:20,333 --> 00:33:22,000 the main C.I.D. office. 527 00:33:22,066 --> 00:33:23,733 I called the C.I.D. office in Fort-- 528 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,966 I kept calling, I kept calling, I kept calling numbers. 529 00:33:26,033 --> 00:33:27,433 I called Senator Bill Nelson's office. 530 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:29,100 Figured somebody would definitely be there... 531 00:33:29,166 --> 00:33:30,633 at the army chaplain's office at Fort Lewis. 532 00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:33,100 Chaplain and the assistant chaplain. I called both, got messages, 533 00:33:33,166 --> 00:33:35,466 voice messages on both of 'em. 534 00:33:35,533 --> 00:33:37,433 Sergeant Gibbs, the whole time, he was talking shit to me, 535 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:39,833 calling me a pussy and this and that. 536 00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:43,466 Saying, you know, I should be down to kill. They're all savages. 537 00:33:43,533 --> 00:33:45,133 And, you know, they're pieces of shit. 538 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,666 They're not worth anything. 539 00:33:46,733 --> 00:33:48,566 And that was just everyone's attitude, really. 540 00:33:48,633 --> 00:33:51,100 I finally got a hold of somebody at Fort Lewis... 541 00:33:51,166 --> 00:33:53,500 at the-- at the-- at the Command Center... 542 00:33:53,566 --> 00:33:56,233 and I told the guy the whole story. 543 00:33:57,266 --> 00:33:59,366 The guy said, "Nothin' I can do about it. 544 00:33:59,433 --> 00:34:01,566 It's your son's word against everybody else's. 545 00:34:01,633 --> 00:34:03,933 Unless somebody else comes out and says the same story, 546 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,433 then I can't do anything." 547 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,300 And I expected, within a few days, 548 00:34:08,366 --> 00:34:10,533 someone to just come grab me in the middle of the night... 549 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,666 and say, "Hey. Come with us. It's over. You're safe." 550 00:34:14,733 --> 00:34:16,333 And then it never happened. 551 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,533 This is another option on the table. 552 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,400 I think this is the realest and most truest option. 553 00:34:27,466 --> 00:34:31,400 There's been talk of a plea deal. 554 00:34:31,466 --> 00:34:34,866 My lawyer is trying to talk the charge down. 555 00:34:34,933 --> 00:34:36,400 That it's not-- 556 00:34:36,466 --> 00:34:38,300 That I'm not guilty of first-degree murder. 557 00:34:38,366 --> 00:34:42,066 Don't get visceral on me, just hear what I'm saying. Okay? 558 00:34:42,133 --> 00:34:45,366 Cowardly conduct. Okay? 559 00:34:45,433 --> 00:34:48,800 "That the accused committed an act of cowardice." Okay? 560 00:34:48,866 --> 00:34:53,400 In this scenario, you didn't stop them from doing something bad. 561 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:55,733 Mm-hmm.Okay? 'Cause you were scared. 562 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,866 "Conduct is cowardly only if it amounts to misbehavior... 563 00:34:59,933 --> 00:35:01,366 which was motivated by fear. 564 00:35:01,433 --> 00:35:03,733 A mere display of apprehension is not sufficient. 565 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,266 Cowardly conduct is the refusal or abandonment... 566 00:35:06,333 --> 00:35:09,000 of the performance of duty before or in the presence... 567 00:35:09,066 --> 00:35:12,333 of the enemy as a result of fear." Okay? 568 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,833 Well, the enemy in this case was not only the Taliban man, but it was also Gibbs. 569 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:21,600 I mean, the guy was continuing to threaten to kill you. 570 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:26,800 What's the-- What are you looking at? 571 00:35:26,866 --> 00:35:30,566 I mean, I get the misbehavior before the enemy, cowardly conduct charge. 572 00:35:30,633 --> 00:35:32,133 Mm-hmm. 573 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,666 What are you looking for as the cap to-- 574 00:35:34,733 --> 00:35:36,433 Eight years. 575 00:35:57,166 --> 00:35:59,800 Time went on and the second murder happened, 576 00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:03,866 which, at first, I didn't even know it was a murder again. 577 00:36:03,933 --> 00:36:06,033 I thought this was a real engagement. 578 00:36:07,233 --> 00:36:09,100 I heard Morlock and Sergeant Gibbs... 579 00:36:09,166 --> 00:36:10,866 joking and talking about it. 580 00:36:10,933 --> 00:36:13,933 And I found out what really happened. 581 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,866 Set up a kill with an AK. Shot a dude, just, you know, in cold blood. 582 00:36:18,933 --> 00:36:23,133 Dropped the AK next to him and said it was a legit shoot. 583 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:30,200 It seemed like everything was falling apart... 584 00:36:30,266 --> 00:36:32,266 just from the seams. 585 00:36:32,333 --> 00:36:38,533 My whole unit, my whole, just, concept of... 586 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,766 the military and honor and integrity... 587 00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:45,900 and just, you know, the image you get from a soldier, 588 00:36:45,966 --> 00:36:48,300 what you would expect a soldier to be. 589 00:36:48,366 --> 00:36:51,266 About to show you what Apaches do... 590 00:36:51,333 --> 00:36:54,066 to fuckin' bodies. All right? 591 00:36:59,366 --> 00:37:02,266 It's a good shoot. He's dead as a motherfucker. 592 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,100 Word.Don't show 'em that shit, man. 593 00:37:10,233 --> 00:37:11,800 Everybody had their own cameras. 594 00:37:11,866 --> 00:37:14,500 Take a picture of your little combat experience. Sure. Why the hell not? 595 00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:17,600 You sit down with all your squad leaders and, you know, other guys... 596 00:37:17,666 --> 00:37:20,800 and they all bust out their DVDs and discs of their prior deployments, 597 00:37:20,866 --> 00:37:23,633 and, you know, "Hey, look at these dead guys we killed here." 598 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,300 Death and dead bodies... 599 00:37:26,366 --> 00:37:28,733 and bluts and gore, and, you know, that thing-- 600 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,733 You get taught to be the norm and be okay with it. 601 00:38:12,733 --> 00:38:14,466 It was just that I was pissed at everything. 602 00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:18,266 I was pissed at the whole situation. Just-- 603 00:38:18,333 --> 00:38:21,600 What is-- Just-- What's the point of all this? 604 00:38:25,166 --> 00:38:26,866 And the thing that really got me was, 605 00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:29,633 from other stories I've heard from people from other units, 606 00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:31,733 I knew that this stuff happens more than-- 607 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,266 Well, I knew that it was... 608 00:38:33,333 --> 00:38:36,500 happening really more than people were letting on. 609 00:39:05,966 --> 00:39:09,466 If I were to do it all over again, I would probably have kept calling, 610 00:39:09,533 --> 00:39:13,000 but it's easy to say that now as I'm sitting here. 611 00:39:13,066 --> 00:39:16,166 At the time, I was just worried what is-- 612 00:39:16,233 --> 00:39:20,300 If I continue to do this, am I gonna get my son killed? 613 00:39:20,366 --> 00:39:22,966 It was-- It was probably the most difficult decision... 614 00:39:23,033 --> 00:39:25,033 I have ever had to make in my life. 615 00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,200 You know, he only had a couple more months... 616 00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:30,766 and he would be home, and we would report it... 617 00:39:30,833 --> 00:39:34,300 and he would be safe. 618 00:39:34,366 --> 00:39:36,666 And it just didn't turn out that way. 619 00:39:46,966 --> 00:39:49,633 Adam used to go in my closet and put on my uniform on. 620 00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:52,600 He would always look through my Marine Corps books. 621 00:39:52,666 --> 00:39:54,400 Essentials of a Marine. 622 00:39:54,466 --> 00:39:56,400 Adam probably read that book 50 times. 623 00:39:58,266 --> 00:40:02,666 Before he was supposed to ship off to boot camp, he was about 100 pounds. 624 00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:04,266 He was too light, so... 625 00:40:04,333 --> 00:40:07,133 they picked up a gallon of water before they went in there... 626 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,266 and they made him drink it and said, "Don't pee until you get weighed." 627 00:40:10,333 --> 00:40:12,700 So I just kind of stepped on the scale real fast... 628 00:40:12,766 --> 00:40:16,033 and got off and went to the bathroom and threw it up. 629 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,433 But you know, I was-- I was really motivated to get in. 630 00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:23,100 And he's putting a pack that weighs 80 pounds on his body. 631 00:40:23,166 --> 00:40:24,700 It's, you know, almost heavier than him. 632 00:40:24,766 --> 00:40:29,300 So, you know, he had a lot-- He had a huge uphill battle to climb. 633 00:40:29,366 --> 00:40:30,833 See him, you're, like, ah, there's no-- 634 00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,533 That guy's in the infantry? No fuckin' way, you know what I mean? 635 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,366 But he's got heart. If we were rockin' 20 miles, he's rockin' 20 miles. 636 00:40:38,433 --> 00:40:40,966 You'd run into some guy and-- "Oh, he's not infantry. 637 00:40:41,033 --> 00:40:42,533 Look at that scrawny little bastard." 638 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,866 You could go up to him and be, like, "Hey, listen, motherfucker. 639 00:40:44,933 --> 00:40:47,766 He's probably the most squared-away, bad-ass infantryman I fuckin' know." 640 00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:56,233 It just sounds heinous. It just sounds, you know-- 641 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,066 Manslaughter just sounds horrible. 642 00:41:01,366 --> 00:41:04,233 Just came from the prosecutor. They came back with-- 643 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,966 This is what they are offering. 644 00:41:07,033 --> 00:41:09,733 Involuntary manslaughter. 645 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,000 They're saying he failed to act when he could have acted. 646 00:41:12,066 --> 00:41:16,533 What they expect him to have done, I still don't quite understand. 647 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,166 I don't know how Adam's gonna react to that. 648 00:41:19,233 --> 00:41:20,866 What do you think he's gonna say? 649 00:41:20,933 --> 00:41:23,866 Maybe, in his mind, it would be better to do involuntary manslaughter... 650 00:41:23,933 --> 00:41:26,833 than cowardice. 651 00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:29,200 I don't know. I don't know. 652 00:41:31,366 --> 00:41:35,266 The whole thing sucks. Bottom line. 653 00:41:35,333 --> 00:41:37,066 Yeah. They just still want to say... 654 00:41:37,133 --> 00:41:39,800 "Well, see, we got him and he was the bad guy." 655 00:41:39,866 --> 00:41:42,100 I think that's a bunch of crap. 656 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:45,133 They still have to try to get him for eight years to make it look good? 657 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,633 I've been saying that same thing. 658 00:41:49,666 --> 00:41:51,933 You know, at this point, 659 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,133 we don't have a choice. 660 00:41:57,566 --> 00:42:02,966 He's being forced to make another decision that... 661 00:42:03,033 --> 00:42:06,266 isn't right... 662 00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:09,466 no matter what he chooses. 663 00:42:09,533 --> 00:42:11,066 Again. 664 00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:59,400 Going on leave is probably one of the worst parts of deployment, 665 00:42:59,466 --> 00:43:01,933 'cause you go home, and you want everything to be normal. 666 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,133 But nothing's normal. You're angry and you're pissed off. 667 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,666 I mean, you know, you're surrounding yourself... 668 00:43:07,733 --> 00:43:09,500 by people that love you and care about you, 669 00:43:09,566 --> 00:43:11,533 but you don't know how to deal with their emotions, 670 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,200 'cause you don't have a grasp on your own, and it was just-- 671 00:43:15,266 --> 00:43:17,000 I don't know. It just all weighed on me. 672 00:43:19,266 --> 00:43:23,200 I actually spent some time thinking about it quite a bit. Who I would tell. 673 00:43:23,266 --> 00:43:26,566 Would I talk to my girlfriend or my brother or my mom? 674 00:43:26,633 --> 00:43:28,700 But how do you tell somebody something like that, you know? 675 00:43:28,766 --> 00:43:31,966 And so, I don't know. I did what most guys do. 676 00:43:32,033 --> 00:43:33,666 Or, you know, most fuckin' macho. 677 00:43:33,733 --> 00:43:36,700 I just turned it inward. You know what I mean? 678 00:43:36,766 --> 00:43:39,366 I've never been a guy that's been really good with emotion to begin with, 679 00:43:39,433 --> 00:43:41,766 and so I did what I always did, you know? 680 00:43:41,833 --> 00:43:44,300 Buried-- Buried it and fuckin' powered through it. 681 00:43:46,733 --> 00:43:49,966 So, I got back, I think, sometime early, early April, 682 00:43:50,033 --> 00:43:52,366 and then, you know, instantly-- 683 00:43:52,433 --> 00:43:54,100 I mean, not even a day or an hour-- 684 00:43:54,166 --> 00:43:57,300 I literally got off the Black Hawk and made my way to my room... 685 00:43:57,366 --> 00:43:59,400 and ran straight into Gibbs. 686 00:43:59,466 --> 00:44:01,800 "Hey, look at all the fuckin' goodies I got while you were gone. 687 00:44:01,866 --> 00:44:03,966 And soon as I get back from patrol, I'll tell you... 688 00:44:04,033 --> 00:44:06,966 all the cool shit you missed while you were gone," you know? 689 00:44:07,033 --> 00:44:09,200 It was right there, right back into it. 690 00:44:18,366 --> 00:44:22,400 As long as they have, you know, open season... 691 00:44:22,466 --> 00:44:24,433 on whatever sentence the case they want to put, 692 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:28,733 the worst he's going to get, regardless of the facts, is eight years. 693 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,033 That's what the government's saying. The worst. 694 00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:35,166 So, what-- What the hell matters is the charge. 695 00:44:35,233 --> 00:44:39,033 I can't reconcile with the fact that they won't move off this eight, 696 00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:41,600 regardless of what the charge is, 697 00:44:41,666 --> 00:44:45,266 when that's what Morlock got for murdering people. 698 00:44:45,333 --> 00:44:47,633 And I'm not saying that Adam was innocent... 699 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:50,733 and that he made every single right decision, 700 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,300 but I also know that on January 20, he e-mailed us-- 701 00:44:55,366 --> 00:45:00,500 as early as January 20-- saying, "There's something I need to talk to you about." 702 00:45:00,566 --> 00:45:04,866 And then February comes. Oh, well, you know what? Just suck it up. 703 00:45:04,933 --> 00:45:07,533 Suck it up and be a man. 704 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,233 Gibbs is, what, a 200- and-something-pound man? 705 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:13,966 This is the ultimate case of bullying, 706 00:45:14,033 --> 00:45:17,033 and I can't reconcile with the fact that they're just gonna say, 707 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,600 "Well, let's give him eight years." 708 00:45:19,666 --> 00:45:22,333 The government can excuse themselves... 709 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,400 from all of the missteps they made. 710 00:45:27,466 --> 00:45:29,466 But let's get-- Let's get, in your own words, 711 00:45:29,533 --> 00:45:32,133 let's get our pound of flesh from Adam Winfield, 712 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,600 even though, of all the people out there, 713 00:45:34,666 --> 00:45:39,033 he was the only one that did anything. 714 00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:41,566 I-I-I have a problem with that. 715 00:45:41,633 --> 00:45:45,833 And I guess ultimately, it's not my issue. It's Adam's issue. 716 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:49,066 But I have a problem with that, 'cause, to me, that's not justice. 717 00:45:49,133 --> 00:45:53,200 The army still has my son, 718 00:45:53,266 --> 00:45:56,566 and unless we do what they say, I never get him back. 719 00:46:00,366 --> 00:46:02,266 Listen, I know you're a mom. 720 00:46:02,333 --> 00:46:05,100 I know that's your child. I'm tracking on all that. 721 00:46:05,166 --> 00:46:08,900 But you are the only mom in the world to him. 722 00:46:08,966 --> 00:46:12,066 To everybody else, he's a soldier. 723 00:46:12,133 --> 00:46:14,466 Thank you. 724 00:46:20,633 --> 00:46:22,433 So, what do you think? 725 00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:25,233 Fine. 726 00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:26,866 I don't really have a problem with it. 727 00:46:26,933 --> 00:46:28,533 Are you sure? 728 00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:34,633 'Cause ultimately, worst case scenario, 729 00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:37,266 everything falls apart, it's eight years. 730 00:46:39,666 --> 00:46:43,566 And I don't want you to feel like we're giving up on you. 731 00:46:58,166 --> 00:47:00,133 Why are we making this deal? 732 00:47:02,666 --> 00:47:05,266 What else are we gonna do, Emma? We don't have a choice. 733 00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:07,300 Do we go to trial? No. 734 00:47:07,366 --> 00:47:09,633 We can't. 735 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,400 I don't know, Chris. I just feel like in some ways... 736 00:47:12,466 --> 00:47:14,533 we're just leading him to the slaughter. 737 00:47:17,866 --> 00:47:20,600 I should have done more. 738 00:47:20,666 --> 00:47:24,066 I shouldn't have accepted the answer that I got. 739 00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:25,966 I've been thinking about that for a long time. 740 00:47:26,033 --> 00:47:29,033 It's always on my mind. 741 00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:34,233 And we wouldn't be standing here right now if I'd done something more. 742 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,166 March went by, April went by, and-- 743 00:47:52,233 --> 00:47:54,400 You know, we're coming up to the end. 744 00:47:54,466 --> 00:47:56,300 We got maybe one more big mission. 745 00:47:56,366 --> 00:47:58,700 I knew Sergeant Gibbs had a lot of stuff planned. 746 00:47:58,766 --> 00:48:00,233 If I could just hold out... 747 00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:05,066 two more months till June, July, and it's all over. 748 00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:10,866 The task on that day was... 749 00:48:10,933 --> 00:48:12,366 to go re-engage an individual... 750 00:48:12,433 --> 00:48:14,400 that had been arrested while I was on leave. 751 00:48:14,466 --> 00:48:16,300 They found an I.D. or something in his house, 752 00:48:16,366 --> 00:48:19,633 so the P.O. wanted to check him out and see what he's up to. 753 00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:23,366 Me and Winfield ended up leaving that compound... 754 00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:27,800 and then making our way towards an adjacent compound that's kind of attached to it. 755 00:48:27,866 --> 00:48:32,233 And then we ended up running into an individual, a local there. 756 00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:35,033 Sergeant Gibbs was coming around the other side. 757 00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:37,266 He had a few other guys with him. 758 00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:39,000 Most of the guys that were with him... 759 00:48:39,066 --> 00:48:40,833 kind of had an idea of what's going on, what-- 760 00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:43,833 You know, these sort of scenario things that had been taking place. 761 00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:47,633 Um, and then-- So, there wasn't a whole lot of conversation. 762 00:48:54,166 --> 00:48:58,133 I knew right then and there that I couldn't kill an innocent person. 763 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,433 I couldn't shoot an innocent man just in cold blood. I couldn't do it. 764 00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:05,633 I didn't have it-- I didn't have any drive or want to do it. 765 00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:07,900 I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to be there. 766 00:49:07,966 --> 00:49:09,400 I didn't want that situation. 767 00:49:09,466 --> 00:49:12,133 I wanted to get up and just run. 768 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,666 Sergeant Gibbs started, 769 00:49:13,733 --> 00:49:16,500 you know, telling us how things were gonna go. 770 00:49:16,566 --> 00:49:18,700 Saying, you know, "We're gonna set this up... 771 00:49:18,766 --> 00:49:20,633 to make it look like we're doing a movement... 772 00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:23,566 and this guy came out and attacked us when we were passing through." 773 00:49:23,633 --> 00:49:25,633 "We saw a grenade. We had to shoot him. 774 00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:28,266 And that's, you know, that's the way it'll play out." 775 00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:33,400 My heart started going 1,000 miles a minute. Just-- 776 00:49:33,466 --> 00:49:36,033 Just started getting nervous. 777 00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:39,066 My muscles started to twitch. Just-- 778 00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,233 I just froze. 779 00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:43,900 We were laying right next to each other, 780 00:49:43,966 --> 00:49:46,633 so I kinda just talked him through it, 781 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:49,200 speaking in his ear, letting him know, "Hey, yeah. 782 00:49:49,266 --> 00:49:50,866 Nothing to worry about, man. It's too easy. 783 00:49:50,933 --> 00:49:52,766 We've done it before. You got nothing to worry about. 784 00:49:52,833 --> 00:49:56,466 Stick to the story, and just get it over with." 785 00:49:56,533 --> 00:50:00,100 I can stand up and shoot Gibbs and Morlock. 786 00:50:00,166 --> 00:50:03,500 But shooting one of our own guys... 787 00:50:03,566 --> 00:50:08,500 over, in their opinion, over a worthless Afghan? 788 00:50:08,566 --> 00:50:11,333 Reason to show me absolutely no mercy. 789 00:50:12,466 --> 00:50:14,000 I fired... 790 00:50:14,066 --> 00:50:19,966 a couple shots off after the grenade blew up. 791 00:50:20,033 --> 00:50:22,200 I didn't aim at him. I didn't-- 792 00:50:22,266 --> 00:50:24,100 I just-- I drew my weapon away from him. 793 00:50:26,166 --> 00:50:29,533 After the dust settled from the explosion, 794 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,166 Sergeant Gibbs walked up and, uh, smile on his face, 795 00:50:34,233 --> 00:50:36,733 and he just shot the guy two more times. 796 00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:39,400 Then he said, "Hey. 797 00:50:39,466 --> 00:50:41,566 Come take a picture with me with the body." 798 00:50:41,633 --> 00:50:43,766 And he told me that I was a made man... 799 00:50:43,833 --> 00:50:47,433 and I didn't have anything to worry about from him ever again. 800 00:50:55,533 --> 00:50:59,366 What, what-- What just happened? How did I get in-- 801 00:50:59,433 --> 00:51:02,600 I was doing fine just avoiding it, and now I'm in it. 802 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,233 His face is-- I can't forget his face.Yeah. 803 00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:14,766 It's his dead face. 804 00:51:14,833 --> 00:51:16,333 His head just, 805 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,033 you know, with shrapnel, and it's so swollen. 806 00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:22,200 I just see it staring at me all the time. 807 00:51:22,266 --> 00:51:24,033 Like whenever I think about it. 808 00:51:25,133 --> 00:51:28,200 And that scream from that woman. 809 00:51:28,266 --> 00:51:30,166 I'd never heard anything like it before. 810 00:51:30,233 --> 00:51:33,733 I've never heard such serious grief.Yeah. 811 00:51:39,833 --> 00:51:43,233 And that's, I'd say, the hardest part to live with is that. 812 00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:45,300 Yeah. 813 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,366 And just the smile on his face when he shot that guy again. 814 00:51:55,433 --> 00:51:57,666 Gibbs' smile on his face? 815 00:51:57,733 --> 00:52:01,000 Yeah. It just-- He was pleased. He was happy. 816 00:52:01,066 --> 00:52:03,400 He just had this huge smile, a grin. 817 00:52:03,466 --> 00:52:07,066 And just looked straight at me, smiling.Oh. 818 00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:11,200 And then I just-- The thought that I know... 819 00:52:11,266 --> 00:52:14,200 he would have the same smile if he did it to me. 820 00:52:41,066 --> 00:52:45,333 I'm living a nightmare right now. 821 00:52:47,466 --> 00:52:49,866 If I don't take sleeping medicine, I, I'm-- 822 00:52:49,933 --> 00:52:51,666 You know, I have nightmares. 823 00:52:51,733 --> 00:52:57,300 I fight-- I gotta fight this-- this evil monster in my dreams. 824 00:52:57,366 --> 00:53:00,200 A lot of times, I don't remember what they are. 825 00:53:00,266 --> 00:53:03,166 I just know that they're violent. 826 00:53:03,233 --> 00:53:04,933 I'll jump up and I'll try to get something... 827 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,500 or grab it or stop it from coming. 828 00:53:07,566 --> 00:53:11,466 And I've actually physically fell out of bed a couple times doing that. 829 00:53:11,533 --> 00:53:13,166 I worry about Chris. 830 00:53:13,233 --> 00:53:20,033 Um, I think he's dealing with... 831 00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:21,600 maybe some guilt. 832 00:53:21,666 --> 00:53:24,266 Did I raise him right? You know, did I-- 833 00:53:24,333 --> 00:53:26,100 Should I have let him go in the army? 834 00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:28,766 Should I have continued to pursue it? 835 00:53:28,833 --> 00:53:30,700 You know, that-- It's-- 836 00:53:33,833 --> 00:53:36,633 You know, he's a great father. 837 00:53:38,566 --> 00:53:43,166 And when your son comes to you and asks for help... 838 00:53:43,233 --> 00:53:46,000 and you're not able to help him-- 839 00:53:47,966 --> 00:53:50,233 We tried to do the right thing, and... 840 00:53:53,066 --> 00:53:55,466 it still wasn't good enough. 841 00:54:15,433 --> 00:54:17,200 We only had a couple months left deployment. 842 00:54:17,266 --> 00:54:18,800 We're safe from here on out. 843 00:54:18,866 --> 00:54:21,566 The lid's on everything and the stories were in line... 844 00:54:21,633 --> 00:54:24,133 and we've got nothing to worry about. 845 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,733 And that's when the whole incident with Stoner arose. 846 00:54:35,533 --> 00:54:37,200 Stoner went and expressed his concern... 847 00:54:37,266 --> 00:54:39,233 about guys in his platoon smoking hash, 848 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:42,433 which led to him getting beat up. 849 00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,233 Why would you get stoned in my room? 850 00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:45,866 Why would you do that? 851 00:54:45,933 --> 00:54:47,533 The shit reeked. 852 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,600 And who are they gonna blame? The private. 853 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,966 And I heard the knock on the door, so I-- 854 00:55:09,033 --> 00:55:10,833 You know, I just opened it and let them in. 855 00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:13,200 I knew it was coming. I knew what was gonna happen. 856 00:55:13,266 --> 00:55:17,866 He said some cheese dick line like, "I understand you guys are here to beat my ass. 857 00:55:17,933 --> 00:55:20,000 Go ahead and-- Go ahead and do it." 858 00:55:20,066 --> 00:55:22,433 So after that, it was just, like, "All right." 859 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:24,466 My entire goal the entire time... 860 00:55:24,533 --> 00:55:27,600 was just don't give 'em the pleasure of letting 'em know it hurts. 861 00:55:29,666 --> 00:55:34,133 I'm just sitting here and I'm gonna take it, and I'm just gonna deal with it. 862 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,633 But you're the weak ones for snapping like this. 863 00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:41,500 Now we got an issue, 'cause he's rattin' us about fuckin' hash. 864 00:55:41,566 --> 00:55:43,500 You know, what else is he rattin' us about? 865 00:55:43,566 --> 00:55:46,100 Gibbs was very polite, actually. 866 00:55:46,166 --> 00:55:50,400 He was almost like a crazy, happy, nice person. 867 00:55:50,466 --> 00:55:55,700 Um, he explained to me, you know, "You understand why we did that." 868 00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:20,366 Gibbs went so far as to tell me, 869 00:56:20,433 --> 00:56:23,400 "We could stick you in a Hesco barrier and kill you. 870 00:56:23,466 --> 00:56:25,366 You know, no one will ever find you. 871 00:56:25,433 --> 00:56:27,533 Fill you in with dirt. No big deal. 872 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,066 Or take you out on a mission. Kill you. 873 00:56:30,133 --> 00:56:32,366 No one would ever know the difference." 874 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,333 He wanted to prove his point... 875 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,000 by rolling out the guy's fingers, 876 00:56:39,066 --> 00:56:40,800 which were his war trophies, 877 00:56:40,866 --> 00:56:42,433 you know, out on the floor. 878 00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:45,366 The next day, an acquaintance of mine down-- 879 00:56:45,433 --> 00:56:47,333 a medic down at the aid station-- 880 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,333 I was going down there for some shit. 881 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,566 She's like, "Stoner was just down here and saw our major, 882 00:56:51,633 --> 00:56:53,966 and they were all super-secretive and shit." 883 00:56:54,033 --> 00:56:56,166 They took me into his personal tent... 884 00:56:56,233 --> 00:56:58,300 to talk to me about everything that had happened. 885 00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:01,233 It didn't take a brain surgeon... 886 00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:04,600 to realize that I'd just gotten my ass whupped. 887 00:57:04,666 --> 00:57:08,700 And of course, he just immediately contacts the guy higher than him, 888 00:57:08,766 --> 00:57:10,666 and it just goes higher and higher and higher. 889 00:57:12,566 --> 00:57:18,033 When C.I.D. got involved, they, uh, started asking other questions. 890 00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:22,466 The one thing I did know about was the body parts. 891 00:57:22,533 --> 00:57:27,700 Once that was said, that opened up the door to everything. 892 00:57:27,766 --> 00:57:31,500 Five U.S. soldiers stand accused of shocking crimes... 893 00:57:31,566 --> 00:57:34,500 that include murdering Afghans for sport. 894 00:57:34,566 --> 00:57:37,300 Today near Seattle, the alleged ringleader of... 895 00:57:37,366 --> 00:57:41,233 The story's out. They got Gibbs locked up. Morlock's locked up. 896 00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:43,500 Um, they brought everybody else in. 897 00:57:43,566 --> 00:57:45,466 And so, initially, we were, like, "Okay. Good. 898 00:57:45,533 --> 00:57:49,400 So, it's out there. He's safe." 899 00:57:49,466 --> 00:57:52,500 The Army C.I.D. people came here, and they told us-- 900 00:57:52,566 --> 00:57:54,500 You know, we asked them, "Does Adam need a lawyer?" 901 00:57:54,566 --> 00:57:56,466 They said, "No, he shouldn't need a lawyer." 902 00:57:56,533 --> 00:58:01,300 It was really from the direction of Adam that had said, 903 00:58:01,366 --> 00:58:04,400 "You can call my parents. Go talk to my parents. 904 00:58:04,466 --> 00:58:06,666 I told them about this back in February." 905 00:58:06,733 --> 00:58:09,766 "He's fine. He's just-- He's-- He's the witness here. 906 00:58:09,833 --> 00:58:12,900 He's the main witness. Everything's gonna be okay." 907 00:58:12,966 --> 00:58:16,900 I was relieved, you know? A huge weight just got lifted. 908 00:58:16,966 --> 00:58:19,900 I finally got to express everything... 909 00:58:19,966 --> 00:58:23,566 and really tell somebody about what I'd been wanting to say... 910 00:58:23,633 --> 00:58:25,633 for the last, like, six months, almost. 911 00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:27,933 They told me that I was gonna help them... 912 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,066 with their case against Sergeant Gibbs. 913 00:58:30,133 --> 00:58:32,033 That they're not coming after me. 914 00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,333 But they lied to me. 915 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,400 You thought they had lied to you? 916 00:58:36,466 --> 00:58:38,100 Yeah. They just tricked me. 917 00:58:40,633 --> 00:58:44,966 I was at work, and, um, 918 00:58:45,033 --> 00:58:46,966 Emma-- Emma called me. 919 00:58:47,033 --> 00:58:51,133 She said that the commander at the base had called her and told them... 920 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,433 that Adam had been charged with first-degree murder. 921 00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:57,533 And she was-- 922 00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,566 Emma was hysteric, and I was just, like, "What?" 923 00:59:01,633 --> 00:59:04,000 I mean, "What? What--" I was stunned. 924 00:59:04,066 --> 00:59:05,700 I mean, I-- I was stunned. 925 00:59:05,766 --> 00:59:08,266 I mean, I-- I, like, lost it. 926 00:59:08,333 --> 00:59:11,966 I was just-- I, like-- I started hyperventilating. 927 00:59:12,033 --> 00:59:13,700 I fell on the floor. 928 00:59:13,766 --> 00:59:16,466 You know, I was, like-- I couldn't believe it. 929 00:59:16,533 --> 00:59:18,533 I almost killed myself that night. 930 00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,533 It's like I'm gonna do it tonight for sure. 931 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,366 Tonight's the night. 932 00:59:24,433 --> 00:59:26,433 Just kept thinking about it. 933 00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:31,333 I was having panic attacks the whole night and, um-- 934 00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:40,166 I was sitting at the desk, and I had an M4 sitting right next to me. 935 00:59:40,233 --> 00:59:43,433 I loaded it. It was ready to go. 936 00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:46,300 I had one in the chamber already. 937 00:59:46,366 --> 00:59:49,266 Um, and I was getting ready to write a note. 938 00:59:49,333 --> 00:59:51,066 To whom? 939 00:59:51,133 --> 00:59:53,566 Uh, my parents. 940 00:59:53,633 --> 01:00:00,900 Apologizing for everything. Sorry for leaving this way, and-- 941 01:00:00,966 --> 01:00:03,133 So, um-- 942 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,466 As I was looking for some paper and a pen to write, 943 01:00:07,533 --> 01:00:11,133 I actually found a Bible instead. 944 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,866 Started reading that. 945 01:00:13,933 --> 01:00:17,300 Started praying. 946 01:00:17,366 --> 01:00:23,400 Started crying and asking God for forgiveness, and-- 947 01:00:23,466 --> 01:00:27,966 I just kept reading the Bible, and it said something about your-- 948 01:00:28,033 --> 01:00:32,000 You'll be brought before kings and the judges in the synagogues and judged, 949 01:00:32,066 --> 01:00:35,633 but, um, 950 01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:40,233 if you stay faithful and suffer for my sake, 951 01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:43,633 then I'll be with you. 952 01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:47,000 So, I just-- 953 01:00:47,066 --> 01:00:49,800 I just kept praying all morning. 954 01:00:49,866 --> 01:00:53,433 Unloaded the weapon and put it back. 955 01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:15,400 He smiled at everything. 956 01:01:15,466 --> 01:01:18,566 Just talked a thousand miles an hour. 957 01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:22,133 He was, like, the happy-go-lucky kid. 958 01:01:26,533 --> 01:01:32,333 You know, a mom, a dad, a house, jobs, three kids-- 959 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,733 This is what we hoped for. 960 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,666 This is what every American family hopes for. 961 01:01:38,733 --> 01:01:41,066 And we had it. 962 01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:44,166 He reads all the history books, 963 01:01:44,233 --> 01:01:49,666 and he reads all about these great American patriots and how heroic they were. 964 01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,200 He wanted to prove to himself that he could do something like that. 965 01:02:17,066 --> 01:02:19,433 The trial's finally here. 966 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:23,500 I'm pleading guilty to involuntary manslaughter. 967 01:02:23,566 --> 01:02:25,233 My other charges... 968 01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:30,866 of premeditated murder and conspiracy are being dropped. 969 01:02:30,933 --> 01:02:34,566 The army is just wanting to, you know, make this all go away, 970 01:02:34,633 --> 01:02:37,500 and they're trying to drop it down to the lowest common denominator. 971 01:02:37,566 --> 01:02:39,400 They want the lowest guys to pay for it. 972 01:02:39,466 --> 01:02:41,233 There's nobody been charged-- 973 01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,333 You know, staff sergeant or below, and that's it. 974 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:48,200 There's no officers have any responsibility for anything. 975 01:02:52,033 --> 01:02:55,133 It's huge. This thing is big. 976 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,400 It's bigger than Adam. It's bigger than me. 977 01:02:57,466 --> 01:02:59,833 It's bigger than everybody right now. 978 01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:05,000 Best-case scenario, um, the judge awards me time served, 979 01:03:05,066 --> 01:03:08,100 and I'd walk out with my family that day. 980 01:03:10,166 --> 01:03:13,166 Worst case, I get an eight-year sentence. 981 01:03:13,233 --> 01:03:16,200 If Adam would have went to somebody out there, he would have been dead. 982 01:03:16,266 --> 01:03:18,733 He would have came home in a body bag if we were lucky. 983 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,133 'Cause, you know, Gibbs had threatened him... 984 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,100 that he would cut him up in a million pieces... 985 01:03:23,166 --> 01:03:25,733 and throw him to the wild dog packs out there, 986 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,533 and nobody would ever find him. 987 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,900 The only remnants he would have would be Adam's finger on his necklace... 988 01:03:30,966 --> 01:03:32,633 that he was making of body parts. 989 01:03:37,466 --> 01:03:39,300 It's all about getting that first kill... 990 01:03:39,366 --> 01:03:41,633 and going home with a mark that says you killed somebody. 991 01:03:43,833 --> 01:03:47,500 You know, you get the badge that says you been over there and that you fought in a war, 992 01:03:47,566 --> 01:03:49,133 and that's what they're all shooting for, 993 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,000 regardless if it's legitimate or not. 994 01:03:52,066 --> 01:03:55,266 And it's just ridic-- It just makes me sick to my stomach. 995 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,933 Part of my job over there was to protect civilians. 996 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,333 I had a responsibility to put a stop to what was going on. 997 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,600 You know, I feel-- You know, I am guilty. 998 01:04:20,233 --> 01:04:24,433 Adam's a pawn in the big picture, is what he was. 999 01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:27,000 He was stuck in the middle of nowhere. 1000 01:04:27,066 --> 01:04:29,566 He had the Taliban shooting at him on one side. 1001 01:04:29,633 --> 01:04:32,166 He had his own guys threatening to kill him if he didn't-- 1002 01:04:32,233 --> 01:04:35,100 if he said anything on his other side. 1003 01:04:35,166 --> 01:04:37,133 He had guns pointed at him in both directions. 1004 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,233 What do you do? What do you do? 1005 01:04:51,233 --> 01:04:54,366 It'll be the first time I've seen you in those. 1006 01:04:54,433 --> 01:04:56,433 I've never seen you in your dress blues. 1007 01:04:56,500 --> 01:05:00,200 No. It's the second time I've actually worn them. So-- 1008 01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:05,600 Will you-- Will you have to wear those for the rest of the trials? 1009 01:05:05,666 --> 01:05:07,633 No.Okay. 1010 01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:09,200 It depends on what happens, 1011 01:05:09,266 --> 01:05:12,166 and if I'm still in, 1012 01:05:12,233 --> 01:05:14,733 whatever I'm wearing in the jail. 1013 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,566 All right. 1014 01:05:21,866 --> 01:05:25,800 After tomorrow, no matter what, 1015 01:05:25,866 --> 01:05:29,766 either he's out, or we can circle a date on a calendar and say... 1016 01:05:29,833 --> 01:05:32,433 we have "x" number of days till you're home. 1017 01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:34,200 We have one less day until you're home. 1018 01:05:34,266 --> 01:05:36,866 And I think that's huge for him, 1019 01:05:36,933 --> 01:05:38,566 that he can at least say... 1020 01:05:38,633 --> 01:05:41,000 it's gonna be over. 1021 01:05:42,833 --> 01:05:45,500 He told me he doesn't expect to walk away tomorrow, 1022 01:05:45,566 --> 01:05:48,433 but we'll see. 1023 01:05:51,733 --> 01:05:53,700 I sure would like him to. 1024 01:06:15,766 --> 01:06:19,500 Take two, three deep breaths, and then just go into what you're gonna say. 1025 01:06:19,566 --> 01:06:22,600 And just keep that in mind and keep an image, 1026 01:06:22,666 --> 01:06:24,766 and then you might want to look at your parents. 1027 01:06:24,833 --> 01:06:27,433 Mm-hmm. Okay.Okay? 1028 01:06:31,833 --> 01:06:33,433 Don't give up. 1029 01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:35,366 Promise me that, all right?I won't. 1030 01:06:35,433 --> 01:06:38,300 Things are gonna be okay.Mm-hmm. 1031 01:06:38,366 --> 01:06:40,600 Okay. 1032 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,066 All rise. 1033 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,333 Specialist Winfield understood on May 2, 2010... 1034 01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,600 that they were blowing up an innocent man. 1035 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:57,733 He could have made a scene that day. 1036 01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,833 He could have done anything. 1037 01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:02,300 What does Specialist Winfield do? 1038 01:07:02,366 --> 01:07:07,333 Nothing. He had the opportunity over and over and over again... 1039 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,333 to ensure he did the right thing. 1040 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,633 And he himself told you he failed. 1041 01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:19,366 And that failure had catastrophic consequences. 1042 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:26,666 Sir, not protecting that man was-- 1043 01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:34,400 It's haunted me for the last year now. 1044 01:07:34,466 --> 01:07:37,533 And-- 1045 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,033 I just want to go home, sir. Sorry. 1046 01:07:43,733 --> 01:07:45,966 Specialist Adam Christopher Winfield, 1047 01:07:46,033 --> 01:07:48,800 this court martial sentences you... 1048 01:07:48,866 --> 01:07:51,266 to be confined for three years, 1049 01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:53,000 and to be discharged from the army... 1050 01:07:53,066 --> 01:07:55,766 with a bad conduct discharge. 1051 01:07:58,633 --> 01:08:01,400 I'm all right. 1052 01:08:01,466 --> 01:08:03,433 I can do this. 1053 01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:08,066 I'm sorry we didn't protect you.It's okay. 1054 01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:15,066 Mom. Hey. He got three years. 1055 01:08:15,133 --> 01:08:17,133 Three years. 1056 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,600 And a bad conduct discharge. 1057 01:08:21,733 --> 01:08:24,900 - Are you okay? Are you okay? - I'm fine. 1058 01:08:24,966 --> 01:08:27,200 Just promise me you're not gonna do anything to yourself. 1059 01:08:27,266 --> 01:08:30,400 I'm not gonna do anything.Okay? Good. 1060 01:08:30,466 --> 01:08:33,933 I was proud of you today.So was I. 1061 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,733 You're stronger than me. 1062 01:08:38,666 --> 01:08:40,733 I've already been through the worst of this. 1063 01:08:43,633 --> 01:08:47,433 It's over right now.It doesn't matter what-- I mean, you know what? 1064 01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:49,833 They can't do anything else to you. It's over. 1065 01:08:49,900 --> 01:08:51,633 Exactly. It's all done. 1066 01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:53,700 It's all over. 1067 01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:14,766 I find myself thinking sometimes... 1068 01:09:14,833 --> 01:09:19,300 how are you gonna tell this story later on? 1069 01:09:21,666 --> 01:09:24,200 Somebody told me the way to look at it... 1070 01:09:24,266 --> 01:09:26,366 is it's not that you're a murderer. 1071 01:09:26,433 --> 01:09:28,166 You were convicted of murder. 1072 01:09:33,266 --> 01:09:35,266 Pretty much initially after the first incident, 1073 01:09:35,333 --> 01:09:37,066 it was, like, "Fuck, welcome to the club, Morlock." 1074 01:09:37,133 --> 01:09:39,533 You know? "You're a grown-ass man now." 1075 01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:42,633 That's what every infantryman's looking for. 1076 01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:44,533 They're looking to be-- to fulfill their job. 1077 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,033 To fulfill, you know, the way of life of an infantryman. 1078 01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:50,466 And so, I mean-- 1079 01:09:50,533 --> 01:09:52,766 Your superiors, in a way, kind of become your father figures. 1080 01:09:52,833 --> 01:09:56,766 They become the guys that you most want to impress, 1081 01:09:56,833 --> 01:09:58,600 and this was the way to do it. 1082 01:10:11,366 --> 01:10:14,133 I was 19. Fresh out of high school. 1083 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,133 I thought I knew everything that there was to know, 1084 01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,366 but, man, I was really, really wrong. 1085 01:10:21,333 --> 01:10:23,333 I didn't know who to talk to, you know? 1086 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,666 I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what to think. 1087 01:10:25,733 --> 01:10:27,933 'Cause these were the guys that I was walking into combat. 1088 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,666 I was doing patrols with these guys, and I didn't want to-- 1089 01:10:31,733 --> 01:10:35,200 I didn't want them to, you know, think different of me. 1090 01:10:55,266 --> 01:10:56,700 We're training you... 1091 01:10:56,766 --> 01:10:59,700 from the day you join to the day you're out... 1092 01:11:00,433 --> 01:11:01,900 to kill. 1093 01:11:01,966 --> 01:11:03,766 Your job is to kill. You're infantry. 1094 01:11:03,833 --> 01:11:09,266 Your job is to kill everything that gets in your way. 1095 01:11:09,333 --> 01:11:12,733 Well, then why the hell are you pissed off when we do it? 1096 01:11:26,166 --> 01:11:29,833 I never want to be referred to as a whistle-blower, 1097 01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:32,633 'cause it's worse than what they're being portrayed as. 1098 01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:37,000 If I could go back, I wouldn't have said anything. 1099 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,433 Everything we did was put into the media... 1100 01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:45,266 as we're horrible, we're the Kill Team, 1101 01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,300 we're rogue platoon, we're all these things. 1102 01:11:47,366 --> 01:11:51,266 I don't care what the military wants to say, 1103 01:11:51,333 --> 01:11:53,266 but this goes on more than just us. 1104 01:11:53,333 --> 01:11:55,433 We're just the ones that got caught. 1105 01:11:58,566 --> 01:12:01,433 There was no way for me not to be a part of it. 1106 01:12:02,833 --> 01:12:04,666 There's no way not to be surrounded by Gibbs. 1107 01:12:04,733 --> 01:12:08,533 There's no way not to be pressured into these things. 1108 01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,600 The constant pressure of having to kill... 1109 01:12:10,666 --> 01:12:13,733 and then the risk of being killed yourself-- 1110 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,200 It was impossible not to surrender to the insanity of it all. 1111 01:12:30,133 --> 01:12:34,833 I think about it a lot. The war. 1112 01:12:34,900 --> 01:12:39,633 All the stuff that the guys in my platoon were doing. 1113 01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:41,833 I never understood it. I-- 1114 01:12:41,900 --> 01:12:45,366 Even now, I don't understand. 1115 01:12:45,433 --> 01:12:48,033 I just-- I don't know. I'll never understand, I guess. 1116 01:12:56,733 --> 01:12:59,800 War is dirty. 1117 01:12:59,866 --> 01:13:03,933 It's not how they portray it in the movies where, you know, 1118 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,166 there's just a bunch of honorable men... 1119 01:13:09,233 --> 01:13:14,133 with, you know, unshakable patriotism. 1120 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:19,033 It's just a bunch of guys with guns. 1121 01:13:43,366 --> 01:13:46,400 And I wish that I could fix it. 1122 01:13:50,166 --> 01:13:53,433 And I wish-- 1123 01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:57,233 I don't know. I wish that none of that had to happen to them. 1124 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,733 Um-- 1125 01:14:08,066 --> 01:14:11,700 And I wish I could tell them that myself.