1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:05,839 That's tough, girl. 2 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:08,198 I remember thinking okay, 3 00:00:08,199 --> 00:00:11,119 this is gonna be this small little film, 4 00:00:12,079 --> 00:00:15,719 but you know, an opportunity to tell my story. 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,979 He was one of the kindest, 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,759 most loving, caring people I knew. 7 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:29,146 And he also sexually abused me. 8 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:33,239 For seven years. 9 00:00:35,319 --> 00:00:40,318 I met him on the set of the Pepsi commercial. 10 00:00:42,958 --> 00:00:46,138 The movie coming out, the scope of what happened 11 00:00:46,238 --> 00:00:51,258 was like, ya know, the thing I was most afraid of. 12 00:00:51,358 --> 00:00:52,877 Michael always said, ya know, 13 00:00:52,878 --> 00:00:55,478 your life would be over if people knew. 14 00:00:56,198 --> 00:00:58,517 He would want me to suck on his nipples 15 00:00:58,518 --> 00:01:00,785 and then, he would finish himself. 16 00:01:01,598 --> 00:01:05,578 I was sleeping and I woke up and Michael said 17 00:01:05,678 --> 00:01:08,557 that he had performed oral sex on me while I was sleeping 18 00:01:08,558 --> 00:01:10,558 and I was like, "okay." 19 00:01:11,638 --> 00:01:12,996 Leaving Neverland, 20 00:01:12,997 --> 00:01:15,636 the new, potentially damaging documentary 21 00:01:15,637 --> 00:01:18,057 about music legend, Michael Jackson. 22 00:01:18,157 --> 00:01:21,937 Police prepped for demonstrators and possible threats. 23 00:01:22,037 --> 00:01:24,437 Wade Robson and James Safechuck claim 24 00:01:24,517 --> 00:01:27,636 Jackson abused them for years when they were young children. 25 00:01:27,637 --> 00:01:29,676 Here I am, sitting at a movie theatre, 26 00:01:29,677 --> 00:01:32,217 with all of these strangers watching 27 00:01:32,317 --> 00:01:35,497 some of the most intimate details of my life. 28 00:01:35,597 --> 00:01:38,497 I guess it sort of became a routine, 29 00:01:38,597 --> 00:01:40,597 masturbating, the oral sex. 30 00:01:41,677 --> 00:01:43,677 I was seven, man. 31 00:01:44,917 --> 00:01:47,716 It's two little boys and I believe many other children 32 00:01:47,717 --> 00:01:52,016 who were savaged by a paedophile, but worse, 33 00:01:52,116 --> 00:01:57,116 there was a massive group of people and money 34 00:01:58,156 --> 00:02:02,456 behind Mr. Jackson who allowed this to occur. 35 00:02:16,356 --> 00:02:19,836 Pursuing this was the act of fighting back. 36 00:02:21,436 --> 00:02:23,769 I wanted to fight for little James. 37 00:02:24,556 --> 00:02:27,514 I wanted to fight for him and fight for myself. 38 00:02:27,515 --> 00:02:29,314 Why do you think they're coming forward now? 39 00:02:29,315 --> 00:02:30,394 Money. 40 00:02:30,395 --> 00:02:31,954 You think it's all about money. 41 00:02:31,955 --> 00:02:32,794 What did, it's all about money. 42 00:02:32,795 --> 00:02:34,314 It's always been about money. 43 00:02:34,315 --> 00:02:35,954 They can tell each other that 44 00:02:35,955 --> 00:02:37,354 and they might even believe it, 45 00:02:37,355 --> 00:02:38,514 but nobody else does. 46 00:02:38,515 --> 00:02:40,382 Everybody knows what he was. 47 00:02:41,675 --> 00:02:46,775 Their biggest fear is to put a California jury in a box 48 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:48,655 and hear this case. 49 00:02:48,755 --> 00:02:50,615 That's their fear. 50 00:02:50,715 --> 00:02:53,215 All of my interactions with him, 51 00:02:53,315 --> 00:02:56,615 they were organised by people who worked for him 52 00:02:56,715 --> 00:02:58,234 and worked with him. 53 00:02:58,235 --> 00:03:00,034 What they're alleging is that Michael Jackson 54 00:03:00,035 --> 00:03:01,514 was a paedophile. 55 00:03:01,515 --> 00:03:03,514 That's not negligence. 56 00:03:03,874 --> 00:03:06,553 They could've supervised any time that Michael Jackson 57 00:03:06,554 --> 00:03:07,993 was with these kids. 58 00:03:07,994 --> 00:03:09,233 They could've warned the parents. 59 00:03:09,234 --> 00:03:11,073 They could've called the police. 60 00:03:11,074 --> 00:03:14,574 They didn't do what a reasonable person would've done 61 00:03:14,674 --> 00:03:16,113 in order to protect these kids, 62 00:03:16,114 --> 00:03:18,273 and as a result, the kids were damaged, 63 00:03:18,274 --> 00:03:20,334 and therefore, they're liable. 64 00:03:22,834 --> 00:03:24,834 How do they sleep at night? 65 00:03:25,514 --> 00:03:28,647 Hiding everything that Michael was really up to. 66 00:03:32,794 --> 00:03:36,934 I want my day in court. 67 00:03:56,433 --> 00:03:59,893 When I first started speaking about the abuse 68 00:03:59,993 --> 00:04:01,993 to my therapist, 69 00:04:03,593 --> 00:04:06,792 one of the early things that started coming up for me 70 00:04:06,793 --> 00:04:08,912 was okay, this is what happened to me. 71 00:04:08,913 --> 00:04:10,980 This is what Michael did to me. 72 00:04:12,993 --> 00:04:15,492 What do I do with this now? 73 00:04:21,392 --> 00:04:25,412 I went to the beach and did the burning of ya know, 74 00:04:25,512 --> 00:04:29,472 items, Michael items, personal items, memorabilia items. 75 00:04:33,512 --> 00:04:35,512 As those items were burning 76 00:04:36,032 --> 00:04:38,132 and I was looking at them melt 77 00:04:38,232 --> 00:04:40,232 and disintegrate in the fire, 78 00:04:41,072 --> 00:04:42,631 I started talking to Michael. 79 00:04:42,632 --> 00:04:44,632 Ya know, to Michael's spirit. 80 00:04:46,832 --> 00:04:49,952 Michael, somehow I'm gonna turn your wrong 81 00:04:50,992 --> 00:04:52,692 into a right. 82 00:04:53,791 --> 00:04:55,190 You know that the things you're gonna say 83 00:04:55,191 --> 00:04:57,710 here this morning and perhaps in a court of law 84 00:04:57,711 --> 00:04:59,070 are gonna get a lot of attention, 85 00:04:59,071 --> 00:05:01,171 make a lot of headlines. 86 00:05:03,991 --> 00:05:07,458 Why didn't you go to the lawyers and do this quietly? 87 00:05:07,591 --> 00:05:09,411 And try to settle, 88 00:05:09,511 --> 00:05:10,990 - make some kind of a deal? - Right, right. 89 00:05:10,991 --> 00:05:14,771 Because I've lived in silence and denial 90 00:05:14,871 --> 00:05:19,491 for 22 years and I can't spend another moment in that. 91 00:05:19,591 --> 00:05:21,270 In order to truly heal, 92 00:05:21,271 --> 00:05:22,910 I have to speak my truth and I have to 93 00:05:22,911 --> 00:05:24,230 speak the whole truth. 94 00:05:24,231 --> 00:05:25,950 That's one thing that you'll never see from me. 95 00:05:25,951 --> 00:05:28,030 I'm never gonna go away with this 96 00:05:28,031 --> 00:05:29,189 for the sake of money. 97 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:31,923 I'm never going to be silenced for money. 98 00:05:31,950 --> 00:05:33,650 That's not gonna happen. 99 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:39,297 That was a big decision deciding whether or not 100 00:05:39,390 --> 00:05:41,390 to join the lawsuit. 101 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:54,530 I was totally disconnected from myself in the past 102 00:05:54,630 --> 00:05:56,630 as little James. 103 00:05:58,590 --> 00:06:01,257 'Cause you blame yourself for the abuse. 104 00:06:02,790 --> 00:06:05,257 And ya know, it's a terrible feeling. 105 00:06:08,429 --> 00:06:11,629 I wanted to fight for little James. 106 00:06:12,829 --> 00:06:15,896 I wanted to fight for him and fight for myself. 107 00:06:16,869 --> 00:06:20,669 I'm recently just trying to connect with little James and, 108 00:06:22,749 --> 00:06:25,068 ya know, imagining telling him that 109 00:06:25,069 --> 00:06:27,329 it's okay and, 110 00:06:27,429 --> 00:06:29,409 and that I love him. 111 00:06:32,349 --> 00:06:35,709 So I'm kinda going, trying to reconnect with 112 00:06:40,229 --> 00:06:41,308 myself as a child, 113 00:06:41,309 --> 00:06:43,027 so I don't even know what he would say to me. 114 00:06:43,028 --> 00:06:45,028 I don't know. 115 00:06:55,708 --> 00:06:57,387 We're brought in because we specialise 116 00:06:57,388 --> 00:06:59,648 in child sexual abuse litigation. 117 00:06:59,748 --> 00:07:01,347 The only thing we rely on is 118 00:07:01,348 --> 00:07:04,168 whether we believe the victim, 119 00:07:04,268 --> 00:07:05,968 whether we believe em. 120 00:07:06,068 --> 00:07:07,888 And if we do believe them, 121 00:07:07,988 --> 00:07:09,907 then we find out a way to help them. 122 00:07:09,908 --> 00:07:11,547 So, I think a lot of people assume 123 00:07:11,548 --> 00:07:15,208 that if we prove Mr. Jackson molested Wade and James, 124 00:07:15,308 --> 00:07:17,048 that we win. 125 00:07:17,148 --> 00:07:18,386 That's not the case. 126 00:07:18,387 --> 00:07:21,447 The perpetrator, Michael Jackson, is deceased. 127 00:07:21,547 --> 00:07:22,866 Just because someone has passed away 128 00:07:22,867 --> 00:07:26,287 does not mean you cannot bring a lawsuit. 129 00:07:26,387 --> 00:07:28,187 So, there's two defendants. 130 00:07:28,267 --> 00:07:31,847 It's MJJ Productions, Inc, and MJJ Ventures, Inc, 131 00:07:31,947 --> 00:07:33,586 which are just loan out corporations 132 00:07:33,587 --> 00:07:36,967 created for the sole purpose of shielding 133 00:07:37,067 --> 00:07:39,967 the entertainer from personal liability. 134 00:07:40,067 --> 00:07:43,586 While Mr. Jackson certainly bares a lot of responsibility 135 00:07:43,587 --> 00:07:46,266 for this, like every other paedophile case 136 00:07:46,267 --> 00:07:47,866 I've ever encountered, 137 00:07:47,867 --> 00:07:50,927 paedophiles don't operate in a vacuum, 138 00:07:51,027 --> 00:07:53,047 especially successful ones. 139 00:07:53,147 --> 00:07:57,046 What we have to show is that MJJ Productions, 140 00:07:57,146 --> 00:07:59,046 his company that he owned, 141 00:07:59,146 --> 00:08:01,526 was aware of it and knew it. 142 00:08:01,626 --> 00:08:04,426 People there were aware of it and knew it. 143 00:08:07,346 --> 00:08:10,126 From how I met Michael in the first place 144 00:08:10,226 --> 00:08:12,646 to how we met again and then, 145 00:08:12,746 --> 00:08:15,526 once we became friends, 146 00:08:15,626 --> 00:08:19,006 all of my interactions with him 147 00:08:19,106 --> 00:08:22,286 were organised by people who worked for him 148 00:08:22,386 --> 00:08:24,086 and worked with him. 149 00:08:27,026 --> 00:08:30,965 There were so many times bodyguards 150 00:08:31,065 --> 00:08:35,865 that worked for Michael, right outside of the door 151 00:08:36,745 --> 00:08:38,965 when abuse was going on, 152 00:08:39,065 --> 00:08:44,245 whether that was at Neverland or in trailers, 153 00:08:44,345 --> 00:08:46,345 at a recording studio, 154 00:08:46,865 --> 00:08:50,345 always people around that worked for him. 155 00:08:54,305 --> 00:08:58,172 There was knowledge that there was something weird going on 156 00:08:58,265 --> 00:09:01,064 and nobody in the organisation, seemingly, 157 00:09:01,065 --> 00:09:02,765 did anything about it. 158 00:09:07,465 --> 00:09:09,504 People must have known. 159 00:09:10,664 --> 00:09:14,244 It's hard to imagine being okay with the 160 00:09:14,344 --> 00:09:19,004 constant cycle of kids 161 00:09:19,104 --> 00:09:20,924 coming in and out. 162 00:09:23,264 --> 00:09:25,597 Can't imagine how they didn't know. 163 00:09:28,744 --> 00:09:31,004 I believe that any normal person, 164 00:09:31,104 --> 00:09:32,623 seeing the things that were going on 165 00:09:32,624 --> 00:09:35,463 with Michael Jackson and between him and the kids, 166 00:09:35,464 --> 00:09:37,844 would have suspicions very early on 167 00:09:37,944 --> 00:09:39,684 as to what he was doing. 168 00:09:43,904 --> 00:09:45,982 The fact that he was always surrounding himself 169 00:09:45,983 --> 00:09:50,003 with young boys, many of whom look the same. 170 00:09:50,103 --> 00:09:53,103 He usually had one who was his special friend. 171 00:09:54,463 --> 00:09:57,622 And he'd call em a special friend, my little friend, 172 00:09:57,623 --> 00:10:00,803 and he would interact with these kids in a way 173 00:10:00,903 --> 00:10:02,382 that someone would interact 174 00:10:02,383 --> 00:10:04,182 with a boyfriend or a girlfriend. 175 00:10:04,183 --> 00:10:06,323 Is that really appropriate? 176 00:10:06,423 --> 00:10:08,182 So I would find it very hard to believe 177 00:10:08,183 --> 00:10:11,022 that someone who is an adult employee of Michael Jackson 178 00:10:11,023 --> 00:10:13,102 would not, at the very least, have a suspicion 179 00:10:13,103 --> 00:10:14,803 as to what's going on. 180 00:10:17,983 --> 00:10:21,316 Michael Jackson got away with this for a long time. 181 00:10:23,182 --> 00:10:25,182 The very first one we know of 182 00:10:25,702 --> 00:10:29,382 involves a young girl who was actually a tomboy 183 00:10:30,862 --> 00:10:33,461 and it's my understanding she was sexually abused 184 00:10:33,462 --> 00:10:37,362 by Mr. Jackson in the mid 1980s 185 00:10:37,462 --> 00:10:40,342 and he ended up paying her a settlement 186 00:10:41,462 --> 00:10:43,842 in the range of about $900,000. 187 00:10:43,942 --> 00:10:46,142 And it was paid by his companies. 188 00:10:49,102 --> 00:10:50,781 There's another one involving 189 00:10:50,782 --> 00:10:53,782 Michael Jackson's housekeeper's son. 190 00:10:55,982 --> 00:10:59,941 Jason Francia did disclose that he was fondled 191 00:11:00,861 --> 00:11:04,121 by Michael Jackson and that a lot of times, 192 00:11:04,221 --> 00:11:07,681 during the fondling acts, 193 00:11:07,781 --> 00:11:10,961 Michael would slip money in his pocket, 194 00:11:11,061 --> 00:11:13,180 presumably in a way to keep him quiet 195 00:11:13,181 --> 00:11:16,441 and not disclose the information to his mother. 196 00:11:16,541 --> 00:11:20,001 He brought a claim and that claim was settled 197 00:11:20,101 --> 00:11:22,001 and he was paid out. 198 00:11:23,901 --> 00:11:26,660 There was an allegation made by a boy named 199 00:11:26,661 --> 00:11:28,580 Jordan Chandler that he was sexually abused 200 00:11:28,581 --> 00:11:31,061 by Michael Jackson in the early 90s. 201 00:11:32,661 --> 00:11:34,539 And that was litigated for quite some time 202 00:11:34,540 --> 00:11:36,059 very extensively. 203 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:38,080 Mr. Chandler asked Michael, 204 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:40,920 "Are you fucking my son in the ass?" 205 00:11:41,020 --> 00:11:44,280 And Michael said, "I would never use that word." 206 00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:46,099 We knew we were having problems 207 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:49,339 going into the investigation because Michael Jackson 208 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:51,800 was aware that the father complained 209 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:54,520 to other people about the sexual abuse 210 00:11:54,620 --> 00:11:56,820 and in fact, was asking for money 211 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:58,979 and there was concern that he might have been 212 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:00,760 charged for extortion. 213 00:12:00,860 --> 00:12:04,440 Michael Jackson's camp decided not to 214 00:12:04,540 --> 00:12:06,540 go forward in that case. 215 00:12:08,540 --> 00:12:12,499 So there was a fondling and masturbation. 216 00:12:14,219 --> 00:12:17,399 There were incidents of oral copulation 217 00:12:17,499 --> 00:12:20,919 where Michael orally copulated Jordan 218 00:12:21,019 --> 00:12:25,239 and Jordan used the term, when he ejaculated 219 00:12:25,339 --> 00:12:27,839 that it was called duck butter. 220 00:12:27,939 --> 00:12:31,879 Jordan also described the fact that Michael 221 00:12:31,979 --> 00:12:34,239 ate the semen, his semen, 222 00:12:34,339 --> 00:12:36,606 or the drippings, as he called it. 223 00:12:38,419 --> 00:12:40,458 Jordan drew a picture of Michael's penis 224 00:12:40,459 --> 00:12:44,159 with specific spots or discolouration on the body 225 00:12:44,259 --> 00:12:46,259 and on the penis. 226 00:12:47,418 --> 00:12:50,017 Jordan came across as being very honest, 227 00:12:50,018 --> 00:12:52,018 very credible. 228 00:12:53,018 --> 00:12:56,878 Everything that he described is certainly a crime. 229 00:12:56,978 --> 00:12:59,617 It was credible enough where we were able 230 00:12:59,618 --> 00:13:01,978 to obtain search warrants. 231 00:13:02,898 --> 00:13:05,878 These statements about me are totally false. 232 00:13:05,978 --> 00:13:08,177 They served a search warrant on me 233 00:13:08,178 --> 00:13:10,657 which allowed them to view and photograph my body, 234 00:13:10,658 --> 00:13:13,558 including my penis, my buttocks, 235 00:13:13,658 --> 00:13:18,798 my lower torso, thighs, and other area that they wanted. 236 00:13:18,898 --> 00:13:23,517 After the warrant was served for Michael's body, 237 00:13:23,617 --> 00:13:26,557 it was, I didn't see it personally but, 238 00:13:26,657 --> 00:13:28,816 it was my understanding that it was confirmed, 239 00:13:28,817 --> 00:13:30,776 that those markings were present 240 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:33,577 as Jordy had described them on the drawing. 241 00:13:35,537 --> 00:13:38,256 Thank you very much for all of your support. 242 00:13:38,257 --> 00:13:41,757 Together, we will see this through to the very end. 243 00:13:41,857 --> 00:13:43,096 The case ended. 244 00:13:43,097 --> 00:13:44,656 How did it end all of a sudden? 245 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:48,817 There was a civil suit that was going along at the same time 246 00:13:49,697 --> 00:13:51,576 and they had a settlement in the civil suit 247 00:13:51,577 --> 00:13:54,056 that ended up being an exorbitant amount of money. 248 00:13:54,057 --> 00:13:57,477 I mean, he was paid some $20 million or more 249 00:13:57,577 --> 00:14:01,276 and that was apparently the quid pro quo of the payout 250 00:14:01,376 --> 00:14:03,055 that this criminal case would go away 251 00:14:03,056 --> 00:14:06,215 and he would go away, and that's exactly what happened. 252 00:14:06,216 --> 00:14:08,216 It was a big blow to the case. 253 00:14:09,016 --> 00:14:11,416 We had another victim in Santa Maria 254 00:14:12,416 --> 00:14:15,356 who was wiling to testify but only 255 00:14:15,456 --> 00:14:18,375 if there were other children that were testifying. 256 00:14:18,376 --> 00:14:20,443 When Jordy Chandler backed out, 257 00:14:21,736 --> 00:14:23,836 he didn't wanna go it alone. 258 00:14:23,936 --> 00:14:26,216 Ya know, the guy walked 259 00:14:27,496 --> 00:14:29,575 and now there's gonna be other victims, 260 00:14:29,576 --> 00:14:31,095 probably a multitude of victims. 261 00:14:31,096 --> 00:14:32,255 He's not gonna stop. 262 00:14:32,256 --> 00:14:33,996 Paedophiles don't stop. 263 00:14:37,095 --> 00:14:39,095 Check one, two. 264 00:14:40,095 --> 00:14:42,095 What's goin' on tonight? 265 00:14:43,455 --> 00:14:46,454 An arrest warrant for Mr. Jackson has been issued 266 00:14:46,455 --> 00:14:49,094 on multiple counts of child molestation. 267 00:14:49,095 --> 00:14:50,934 The young boy met Jackson when he was given 268 00:14:50,935 --> 00:14:54,134 only weeks to live after being diagnosed with cancer. 269 00:14:54,135 --> 00:14:55,974 The boy reportedly told a therapist 270 00:14:55,975 --> 00:14:58,708 Jackson fondled him in his private parts. 271 00:15:08,375 --> 00:15:12,035 And then, you fast forward to the allegations later, 272 00:15:12,135 --> 00:15:14,134 when Wade was an adult 273 00:15:14,694 --> 00:15:18,354 and Michael asked him to testify for him 274 00:15:18,454 --> 00:15:20,454 in the criminal trial. 275 00:15:20,774 --> 00:15:24,394 He said, "Ya know, we can't let them do this to us. 276 00:15:24,494 --> 00:15:26,734 We can't let them take us down." 277 00:15:28,574 --> 00:15:30,574 Us, us, us. 278 00:15:31,334 --> 00:15:35,274 I definitely had a real fear of what he said 279 00:15:35,374 --> 00:15:37,213 about if anyone ever found out, 280 00:15:37,214 --> 00:15:39,093 that he and I would go to jail. 281 00:15:39,094 --> 00:15:42,494 And Michael called him and called him and called him 282 00:15:42,574 --> 00:15:45,693 and called him and kept begging him and begging him 283 00:15:45,694 --> 00:15:47,173 and begging him. 284 00:15:47,174 --> 00:15:50,553 So, at some point, I worked up the courage 285 00:15:50,653 --> 00:15:54,553 to tell Michael that I don't wanna testify. 286 00:15:59,573 --> 00:16:02,533 After that, I received a subpoena to testify. 287 00:16:04,773 --> 00:16:06,292 And so, there it is. 288 00:16:06,293 --> 00:16:07,572 Ya know, I got no choice. 289 00:16:07,573 --> 00:16:09,473 That's what I'm doing. 290 00:16:12,613 --> 00:16:16,013 He was their first witness and I cross-examined him. 291 00:16:16,333 --> 00:16:18,793 Spoke well, presented well. 292 00:16:18,893 --> 00:16:22,293 That's why he was the first witness for the defence. 293 00:16:22,653 --> 00:16:25,292 Did Michael ever touch you, anything sexual? 294 00:16:25,293 --> 00:16:26,571 No, absolutely not. 295 00:16:26,572 --> 00:16:28,952 Just ya know, look him in the eyes 296 00:16:29,052 --> 00:16:31,392 and be clear. 297 00:16:31,492 --> 00:16:34,371 Choreographer, Wade Robson, acknowledged sharing a bed 298 00:16:34,372 --> 00:16:36,811 with the singer many times when he was a child. 299 00:16:36,812 --> 00:16:38,371 - "Did Mr. - Jackson ever molest you 300 00:16:38,372 --> 00:16:40,851 at any time," the defence lawyer asked. 301 00:16:40,852 --> 00:16:43,552 "No, never," Wade Robson replied. 302 00:16:43,652 --> 00:16:46,272 Tom Mesereau said that Wade Robson 303 00:16:46,372 --> 00:16:49,251 was singularly the best witness he had ever seen, 304 00:16:49,252 --> 00:16:51,491 which must be disconcerting to him today 305 00:16:51,492 --> 00:16:54,272 to discover that Wade Robson now says 306 00:16:54,372 --> 00:16:57,305 he was molested for years by Micheal Jackson. 307 00:16:59,532 --> 00:17:01,665 I wasn't able to tell the truth. 308 00:17:03,531 --> 00:17:05,271 Absolutely not. 309 00:17:08,731 --> 00:17:10,490 I was asked questions about whether 310 00:17:10,491 --> 00:17:13,424 Wade Robson should be prosecuted for perjury. 311 00:17:13,691 --> 00:17:15,511 I said no. 312 00:17:15,611 --> 00:17:19,391 I said that this is one of those things where 313 00:17:19,491 --> 00:17:23,391 very few people have any control over what happens, 314 00:17:23,491 --> 00:17:25,090 least of whom, believe it or not, 315 00:17:25,091 --> 00:17:28,071 but the person who's experiencing it. 316 00:17:28,171 --> 00:17:31,838 This is just not something within his emotional control. 317 00:17:33,491 --> 00:17:35,890 We, the jury, in the above titled case, 318 00:17:35,891 --> 00:17:38,530 find the defendant not guilty of a lewd act 319 00:17:38,531 --> 00:17:40,590 upon a minor child. 320 00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:42,690 Michael Jackson will be walking 321 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:45,870 out of this courtroom a free man. 322 00:17:45,970 --> 00:17:47,289 I loved Micheal. 323 00:17:47,290 --> 00:17:48,929 Michael loved me. 324 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:52,530 This was something that happened between us, that's it. 325 00:17:53,410 --> 00:17:54,249 Didn't bother me. 326 00:17:54,250 --> 00:17:56,250 I'm okay, I'm fine. 327 00:17:56,770 --> 00:17:58,329 It'd be a big deal to everyone else, 328 00:17:58,330 --> 00:17:59,769 but it's not a big deal to me. 329 00:17:59,770 --> 00:18:01,770 So it's not worth the trouble. 330 00:18:03,410 --> 00:18:05,689 A child sexual abuse victim is not gonna come forward 331 00:18:05,690 --> 00:18:08,490 and say what happened until they're ready. 332 00:18:08,570 --> 00:18:11,809 So, you fast forward after the Santa Barbara investigation. 333 00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:15,250 Wade gets married, he has a child, 334 00:18:16,169 --> 00:18:19,469 and it's a boy and as we've seen many times 335 00:18:19,569 --> 00:18:21,608 with child sexual abuse litigation, 336 00:18:21,609 --> 00:18:26,109 oftentimes, someone will have a triggering event 337 00:18:26,209 --> 00:18:27,768 that will cause the light to go off 338 00:18:27,769 --> 00:18:29,728 and for them to start understanding that what happened 339 00:18:29,729 --> 00:18:31,928 to them as a child was not right. 340 00:18:31,929 --> 00:18:34,869 And it wasn't loving and it wasn't normal. 341 00:18:34,969 --> 00:18:37,549 It was abuse and it was wrong. 342 00:18:41,209 --> 00:18:44,848 Mr. Jackson couldn't have done what he did without help. 343 00:18:44,849 --> 00:18:48,269 The help of employees, the help of colleagues 344 00:18:48,369 --> 00:18:50,369 and help of others. 345 00:18:51,369 --> 00:18:54,169 If somebody reported it, that's different. 346 00:18:55,328 --> 00:18:56,927 Nobody reported this. 347 00:18:56,928 --> 00:18:59,661 Nobody did anything except let him do it. 348 00:19:00,568 --> 00:19:02,647 This is about getting at the truth 349 00:19:02,648 --> 00:19:04,915 and making sure this never happens 350 00:19:04,928 --> 00:19:06,927 to another little boy because somebody 351 00:19:06,928 --> 00:19:08,928 happens to be famous. 352 00:19:16,168 --> 00:19:18,207 A judge has dismissed the lawsuit 353 00:19:18,208 --> 00:19:20,007 brought by a choreographer who alleged 354 00:19:20,008 --> 00:19:22,708 Michael Jackson molested him as a child. 355 00:19:22,808 --> 00:19:24,247 Safechuck and Robson both sued 356 00:19:24,248 --> 00:19:26,367 the Jackson estate but their lawsuits were dismissed 357 00:19:26,368 --> 00:19:29,387 because of the statute of limitations. 358 00:19:29,487 --> 00:19:32,687 The first round of the court case was thrown out. 359 00:19:32,727 --> 00:19:34,046 Ya know, it was too late. 360 00:19:34,047 --> 00:19:35,846 That was the defence, that it was too late 361 00:19:35,847 --> 00:19:39,707 for myself and James to, whatever happened, 362 00:19:39,807 --> 00:19:42,587 to come forward with this truth now. 363 00:19:42,687 --> 00:19:44,687 Time's up. 364 00:19:45,527 --> 00:19:47,794 Having our court case thrown away, 365 00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:54,047 that was really difficult to go through and that 366 00:19:55,447 --> 00:19:57,447 was hard to come back from. 367 00:19:59,887 --> 00:20:04,887 Was just depressed and I started drinking more. 368 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:09,206 It really hurt. 369 00:20:10,366 --> 00:20:12,605 Ya know, these are personal experiences that I went through. 370 00:20:12,606 --> 00:20:16,326 This is my childhood and so, ya know, 371 00:20:17,366 --> 00:20:22,366 it means a lot to me to be able 372 00:20:22,806 --> 00:20:26,826 to go to court and to be able to fight back 373 00:20:26,926 --> 00:20:30,166 for myself and for little James and so, 374 00:20:31,446 --> 00:20:34,713 it was really heartbreaking to have it thrown out. 375 00:20:35,726 --> 00:20:39,026 I have no experience with how things work 376 00:20:39,126 --> 00:20:42,665 in the legal system, so it never occurred to me that 377 00:20:42,765 --> 00:20:43,684 seven years later, 378 00:20:43,685 --> 00:20:47,585 we'd still be prior to the beginning of anything. 379 00:20:47,685 --> 00:20:49,685 It's never ending. 380 00:20:51,165 --> 00:20:53,165 It's never ending 381 00:20:53,645 --> 00:20:55,345 until it ends. 382 00:21:04,605 --> 00:21:05,884 We've gotta fight it. 383 00:21:05,885 --> 00:21:07,324 We've gotta continue fighting 384 00:21:07,325 --> 00:21:09,164 until they say you can't fight anymore 385 00:21:09,165 --> 00:21:10,684 'cause that's what we're hired to do. 386 00:21:10,685 --> 00:21:13,285 That's the way you really help victims. 387 00:21:17,445 --> 00:21:20,123 Premiering today at the Sundance Film Festival, 388 00:21:20,124 --> 00:21:21,403 Leaving Neverland. 389 00:21:21,404 --> 00:21:24,723 It's sparking conversation and strong opinions nationwide. 390 00:21:24,724 --> 00:21:28,057 Police prep for demonstrators and possible threats. 391 00:21:28,124 --> 00:21:30,403 Jackson family statement going on to say, 392 00:21:30,404 --> 00:21:32,684 "The facts don't lie, people do." 393 00:21:33,604 --> 00:21:35,604 The movie coming out was like 394 00:21:36,244 --> 00:21:38,544 the thing I was most afraid of. 395 00:21:38,644 --> 00:21:41,104 Michael always said ya know, 396 00:21:41,204 --> 00:21:43,804 your life would be over if people knew. 397 00:21:44,764 --> 00:21:47,764 So, we were like this married couple 398 00:21:48,844 --> 00:21:52,344 and I say married because we had this 399 00:21:52,444 --> 00:21:54,444 mock wedding ceremony. 400 00:21:55,603 --> 00:21:58,223 It's like we're bonded forever. 401 00:21:58,323 --> 00:22:00,503 It felt good. 402 00:22:00,603 --> 00:22:02,603 And the ring is nice. 403 00:22:04,723 --> 00:22:06,962 Going through that and having everybody know 404 00:22:06,963 --> 00:22:11,823 in such a public way was difficult for me. 405 00:22:11,923 --> 00:22:15,656 It was just a really crazy feeling to be seeing the film. 406 00:22:15,723 --> 00:22:17,722 Here I am sitting in a movie theatre 407 00:22:17,723 --> 00:22:20,303 with all of these strangers watching 408 00:22:20,403 --> 00:22:23,863 some of the most intimate details of my life. 409 00:22:23,963 --> 00:22:25,963 I felt special. 410 00:22:27,003 --> 00:22:30,583 I was this boy from the other side of the world 411 00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:32,682 and Michael chose me. 412 00:22:33,642 --> 00:22:36,721 Yeah, there's no question I was like head over heels 413 00:22:36,722 --> 00:22:38,722 in love with Michael 414 00:22:39,642 --> 00:22:41,662 and he said he loved me. 415 00:22:41,762 --> 00:22:45,662 And then they call us up, James and I, on stage 416 00:22:45,762 --> 00:22:50,142 where I'm readying myself to be attacked. 417 00:22:50,242 --> 00:22:52,041 I had a guy stick his hand down my pants 418 00:22:52,042 --> 00:22:54,041 when I was at scout and I went through 419 00:22:54,042 --> 00:22:56,921 people not believing me and I think the three of you 420 00:22:56,922 --> 00:22:58,921 and everybody behind this film are gonna do 421 00:22:58,922 --> 00:23:00,481 a lot more good in the world 422 00:23:00,482 --> 00:23:03,342 than Michael fucking Jackson ever did. 423 00:23:05,162 --> 00:23:09,381 And here I was having just this immense experience 424 00:23:09,481 --> 00:23:12,021 of incredible support. 425 00:23:12,121 --> 00:23:13,821 This movie and your story 426 00:23:13,881 --> 00:23:16,680 will soon help change the law in this country. 427 00:23:16,681 --> 00:23:19,081 Let my stand support that very much. 428 00:23:20,961 --> 00:23:24,341 Watching this documentary was an intense 429 00:23:24,441 --> 00:23:27,774 and very emotional experience for many people here. 430 00:23:28,721 --> 00:23:31,360 It's an audience of over 100 men and women here 431 00:23:31,361 --> 00:23:35,541 who say that they were sexually abused as children. 432 00:23:35,641 --> 00:23:37,520 I felt like she really personally understood 433 00:23:37,521 --> 00:23:39,341 and has had ya know, 434 00:23:39,441 --> 00:23:42,421 some version of that experience herself. 435 00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:47,520 I taped 217 episodes on sexual abuse. 436 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,860 You were able to illustrate in these four hours 437 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,900 what I tried to explain in 217. 438 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,719 I tried and tried and tried to get the message across 439 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,719 to people that sexual abuse was not just abuse, 440 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,900 it was also sexual seduction. 441 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,260 I had a light bulb moment and finally realised at 42 442 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,780 that it was not my fault. 443 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,060 She got what I and James had been through. 444 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,860 Ya know, getting to the point in life 445 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,459 where it was no long an option to keep it a secret. 446 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,159 The keeping of the secret did what to your life? 447 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,139 I don't know if I could continue 448 00:24:30,239 --> 00:24:32,419 with the pain that I was in. 449 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,419 It's no way to live. 450 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,238 Up until whatever it was, six years ago or so, 451 00:24:37,239 --> 00:24:39,758 ya know, I was going to take what truly happened 452 00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:42,379 to my grave, no question. 453 00:24:42,479 --> 00:24:43,918 That was the way it was. 454 00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:45,278 She said, "We're all gonna get it." 455 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,918 I respected her knowingness of what kind of 456 00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:50,398 backlash she was gonna come up against. 457 00:24:50,399 --> 00:24:54,619 So, when all the fans and the estate 458 00:24:54,719 --> 00:24:56,958 and all the anger, you guys are gonna get it. 459 00:24:56,959 --> 00:24:57,997 You know that, right? 460 00:24:57,998 --> 00:24:58,957 - We do. - Y'all gon' get it. 461 00:24:58,958 --> 00:25:01,397 I'm gon' get it, we're all gon' get it. 462 00:25:01,398 --> 00:25:03,938 It's frickin' terrifying. 463 00:25:04,038 --> 00:25:09,038 Reactions of the whole world, angry Michael fans and media, 464 00:25:09,678 --> 00:25:13,678 a certain amount of them can be extremely vicious. 465 00:25:16,198 --> 00:25:18,665 I don't believe these mother fuckers. 466 00:25:19,238 --> 00:25:21,498 I do not believe them. 467 00:25:23,198 --> 00:25:24,957 So, the backlash is very, very real 468 00:25:24,958 --> 00:25:26,957 on social media by many of the most loyal 469 00:25:26,958 --> 00:25:28,517 Michael Jackson fans. 470 00:25:28,518 --> 00:25:30,677 Many just refuse to watch and again, 471 00:25:30,678 --> 00:25:32,637 question the credibility and the motives 472 00:25:32,638 --> 00:25:34,236 of Robson and Safechuck. 473 00:25:34,237 --> 00:25:37,076 I don't believe a word of anything in this documentary. 474 00:25:37,077 --> 00:25:39,617 - Okay, okay, okay Wendy. - Come on. 475 00:25:40,557 --> 00:25:42,396 I do believe sleepovers in the same bed. 476 00:25:42,397 --> 00:25:44,756 I do believe that if mother nature takes its course 477 00:25:44,757 --> 00:25:46,876 and they, ya know, you get a hard penis. 478 00:25:46,877 --> 00:25:49,036 I don't believe touching and I don't believe sex 479 00:25:49,037 --> 00:25:51,236 and I do believe that this is a money grab for the families. 480 00:25:51,237 --> 00:25:53,396 The Jackson estate is pushing back 481 00:25:53,397 --> 00:25:56,537 saying both men testified on behalf of Jackson 482 00:25:56,637 --> 00:26:00,677 during earlier trials that unsuccessfully sued his estate. 483 00:26:01,637 --> 00:26:03,476 Why do you think they're coming forward now? 484 00:26:03,477 --> 00:26:04,516 Money. 485 00:26:04,517 --> 00:26:06,116 You think it's all about money? 486 00:26:06,117 --> 00:26:06,956 Well, it's all about money. 487 00:26:06,957 --> 00:26:08,156 It's always been about money. 488 00:26:08,157 --> 00:26:09,756 This is all about greed and money. 489 00:26:09,757 --> 00:26:11,235 It was always about the money. 490 00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:13,416 It was always about the money! 491 00:26:16,396 --> 00:26:19,395 Go down the rabbit hole and do some actual homework 492 00:26:19,396 --> 00:26:20,395 on this case. 493 00:26:20,396 --> 00:26:24,155 As MJ fans, we were, we have become lawyers and attorneys. 494 00:26:24,156 --> 00:26:25,915 We, when Michael passed and Connor and Murray 495 00:26:25,916 --> 00:26:27,355 was on trial, we were all doctors. 496 00:26:27,356 --> 00:26:29,035 Like, we do our research. 497 00:26:29,036 --> 00:26:31,435 I believe Michael Jackson is innocent, I do. 498 00:26:31,436 --> 00:26:32,395 I've followed the evidence. 499 00:26:32,396 --> 00:26:34,096 There is no evidence. 500 00:26:34,156 --> 00:26:36,155 Then you got Oprah who comes in and is like, 501 00:26:36,156 --> 00:26:37,315 "Hells yes, I'm yep, 502 00:26:37,316 --> 00:26:39,115 I'm a snake who will turn anybody." 503 00:26:39,116 --> 00:26:41,635 Suddenly you're all like ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. 504 00:26:41,636 --> 00:26:43,816 Are you prepared for that? 505 00:26:46,636 --> 00:26:48,635 You're not. 506 00:26:52,275 --> 00:26:53,274 There's a lot. 507 00:26:53,275 --> 00:26:55,554 I have notes just 'cause I don't wanna mess up 508 00:26:55,555 --> 00:26:56,714 some of the stuff. 509 00:26:56,715 --> 00:26:57,554 I have it all here. 510 00:26:57,555 --> 00:26:59,555 We can go through it together. 511 00:27:01,235 --> 00:27:03,235 We got the email here. 512 00:27:04,715 --> 00:27:06,594 I mean, my history of covering things 513 00:27:06,595 --> 00:27:08,994 and just my belief that we're all innocent 514 00:27:08,995 --> 00:27:11,874 until proven guilty really pushed me to wanna, 515 00:27:11,875 --> 00:27:14,194 to challenge what they were saying because 516 00:27:14,195 --> 00:27:16,594 yeah, it's easy to watch Wade and James and think, 517 00:27:16,595 --> 00:27:18,434 well, my God, this is horrific! 518 00:27:18,435 --> 00:27:20,434 We have to listen to what they're saying. 519 00:27:20,435 --> 00:27:24,134 But they've changed this case so many damn times 520 00:27:24,234 --> 00:27:25,553 to talk about the, 521 00:27:25,554 --> 00:27:28,054 what is it, the handle of the, 522 00:27:28,154 --> 00:27:30,421 hold on, I'm gonna get this right. 523 00:27:33,394 --> 00:27:35,833 These two have changed this case so many times 524 00:27:35,834 --> 00:27:37,753 to really focus on the duty of care 525 00:27:37,754 --> 00:27:40,614 because they're so, it's so imperative that 526 00:27:40,714 --> 00:27:43,193 they get this case right against the estate. 527 00:27:43,194 --> 00:27:44,193 Michael is gone! 528 00:27:44,194 --> 00:27:45,473 Like, he can't even defend himself. 529 00:27:45,474 --> 00:27:47,353 You waited this long and now you're going after the estate 530 00:27:47,354 --> 00:27:50,393 saying they're the biggest paedophile ring in the world? 531 00:27:50,394 --> 00:27:54,694 Michael Jackson had 22,000 kids at Neverland every year. 532 00:27:54,794 --> 00:27:56,153 That's a lot of damn kids. 533 00:27:56,154 --> 00:27:58,233 You're telling me these are the only two 534 00:27:58,234 --> 00:28:00,952 that after all this time, have had the nerve 535 00:28:00,953 --> 00:28:02,112 to come forward? 536 00:28:02,113 --> 00:28:03,232 I don't, I don't buy it. 537 00:28:03,233 --> 00:28:05,792 I think these two are financially motivated 538 00:28:05,793 --> 00:28:07,493 and I think you are. 539 00:28:39,832 --> 00:28:42,591 So you had a documentary done in complete secrecy 540 00:28:42,592 --> 00:28:45,431 'cause they didn't want any other narrative. 541 00:28:45,432 --> 00:28:47,892 You had accusations from two men 542 00:28:47,992 --> 00:28:50,859 who had a financial interest in the outcome. 543 00:28:51,152 --> 00:28:54,412 And from two men who had previously testified 544 00:28:54,512 --> 00:28:57,852 under perjury exactly the opposite 545 00:28:57,952 --> 00:28:59,511 of what they said in the documentary. 546 00:28:59,512 --> 00:29:03,972 Now, on top of that, the fans and press overseas 547 00:29:04,072 --> 00:29:06,132 in England and even in Moscow 548 00:29:06,232 --> 00:29:10,092 have begun to point out numerous inconsistencies 549 00:29:10,192 --> 00:29:13,731 and flat out lies it contained in the documentary. 550 00:29:13,831 --> 00:29:17,731 And yet, because the laws of defamation are what they are, 551 00:29:17,831 --> 00:29:20,491 there's nothing you can do or say. 552 00:29:20,591 --> 00:29:21,830 The man can be damaged. 553 00:29:21,831 --> 00:29:23,270 His legacy can be damaged. 554 00:29:23,271 --> 00:29:26,971 His kids can be hurt and theoretically, 555 00:29:27,071 --> 00:29:29,071 nothing can be done. 556 00:29:35,271 --> 00:29:38,230 I watched the special and then I called my friends 557 00:29:38,231 --> 00:29:39,931 and we talked about it. 558 00:29:39,951 --> 00:29:42,430 And then, we came to the agreement, you know, 559 00:29:42,431 --> 00:29:45,211 we don't believe that we heard. 560 00:29:45,311 --> 00:29:48,350 James' story, I think he was just piggybacking off and Wade, 561 00:29:48,351 --> 00:29:50,509 I think Wade was the storyteller. 562 00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:53,149 Ya know, the way his mannerisms and the way he was talking 563 00:29:53,150 --> 00:29:54,749 and things like that. 564 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,869 I think he was just following suit. 565 00:29:56,870 --> 00:30:00,549 But then, I don't know if there was stuff that was cut out 566 00:30:00,550 --> 00:30:03,970 that wasn't aired but there were no like 567 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:06,010 real specific details. 568 00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:08,749 Ya know, it was more generalisation, ya know? 569 00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:09,629 You mean the sexual acts? 570 00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:10,989 Correct. 571 00:30:10,990 --> 00:30:14,069 Ya know, the touching of the penis and you know, 572 00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:16,070 all that stuff but... 573 00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:19,709 That wasn't detailed enough for you. 574 00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:20,869 No, not to me, no. 575 00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:22,469 Well, I know that they spent time 576 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:25,029 and they may have been naked with Michael in a bed 577 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:26,188 or things like that but, 578 00:30:26,189 --> 00:30:28,449 the touching part, I don't, 579 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:31,068 I just can't picture it in my head, like, 580 00:30:31,069 --> 00:30:35,529 and I've tried ya know, to see Michael being inappropriate. 581 00:30:35,629 --> 00:30:37,428 I can't see Michael Jackson having 582 00:30:37,429 --> 00:30:39,429 sexual relations with anyone. 583 00:30:39,949 --> 00:30:41,689 Male, female, boy, girl. 584 00:30:41,789 --> 00:30:46,329 It's unfortunate that there are a number of accusations 585 00:30:46,429 --> 00:30:49,468 and that's always just unfortunate for anybody. 586 00:30:49,469 --> 00:30:52,388 And it is possible that he was telling the truth but, 587 00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:55,209 the optics weren't great, 588 00:30:55,309 --> 00:31:00,009 especially after 1993 and I think it was his ex-wife, 589 00:31:00,109 --> 00:31:03,267 Lisa Marie Presley, that said in an interview or two, 590 00:31:03,268 --> 00:31:04,947 that he was a little rebel. 591 00:31:04,948 --> 00:31:07,307 The more people would tell him not to do something, 592 00:31:07,308 --> 00:31:09,707 the more he'd be like, "I'm gonna do it anyway." 593 00:31:09,708 --> 00:31:13,488 It's possible that it could've been innocent 594 00:31:13,588 --> 00:31:15,907 and it just could've been you know, 595 00:31:15,908 --> 00:31:19,775 he could've thought of them like either one of his children 596 00:31:19,788 --> 00:31:21,107 or like a brother. 597 00:31:21,108 --> 00:31:24,888 Quite frankly and I'm revealing my bias here, admittedly, 598 00:31:24,988 --> 00:31:27,488 I really didn't want it to be true. 599 00:31:27,588 --> 00:31:29,987 And I know that doesn't make it such but, 600 00:31:29,988 --> 00:31:32,588 just like please, let this not be true. 601 00:31:33,748 --> 00:31:35,347 I was a huge fan! 602 00:31:35,348 --> 00:31:37,507 Completely huge fan of Michael Jackson! 603 00:31:37,508 --> 00:31:39,208 You couldn't be a fan. 604 00:31:39,227 --> 00:31:41,266 There was like, something was wrong with you 605 00:31:41,267 --> 00:31:43,534 if you didn't dig Michael Jackson. 606 00:31:44,507 --> 00:31:47,487 Leaving Neverland really made me go back 607 00:31:47,587 --> 00:31:49,586 and review everything and I dug around 608 00:31:49,587 --> 00:31:51,506 and I didn't like what I saw. 609 00:31:51,507 --> 00:31:54,240 I had an aha moment and it drove me nuts. 610 00:31:54,307 --> 00:31:56,307 I couldn't let it go. 611 00:31:57,067 --> 00:31:58,786 I seriously couldn't let it go. 612 00:31:58,787 --> 00:32:02,407 After you dig around and really look at certain items, 613 00:32:02,507 --> 00:32:05,240 you start saying like Wade and James were 614 00:32:06,147 --> 00:32:07,847 completely credible. 615 00:32:07,947 --> 00:32:11,247 What Oprah did was heroic in my eyes 616 00:32:11,347 --> 00:32:13,466 'cause she gave them a opportunity to speak 617 00:32:13,467 --> 00:32:15,366 and she supported them. 618 00:32:15,466 --> 00:32:18,199 She's somebody who takes abuse seriously. 619 00:32:18,706 --> 00:32:20,305 We know that happens. 620 00:32:20,306 --> 00:32:21,585 We know it happens. 621 00:32:21,586 --> 00:32:22,545 What's the difference here? 622 00:32:22,546 --> 00:32:24,613 Because he can do the moonwalk? 623 00:32:27,386 --> 00:32:29,726 Because he can make good music? 624 00:32:29,826 --> 00:32:32,426 'Cause he can make anything into a hit? 625 00:32:33,826 --> 00:32:35,966 Two things can be true. 626 00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:38,866 So yeah, I completely believe both of them. 627 00:32:42,466 --> 00:32:44,366 You're fightin' the world. 628 00:32:44,466 --> 00:32:46,466 The entire world. 629 00:32:47,306 --> 00:32:49,246 Everyone's against you. 630 00:32:49,346 --> 00:32:51,746 Ya know, everyone loved this person. 631 00:32:52,185 --> 00:32:53,784 They know his music, they know who he was 632 00:32:53,785 --> 00:32:54,904 and he didn't have a childhood 633 00:32:54,905 --> 00:32:56,864 and ya know, that whole story. 634 00:32:56,865 --> 00:32:58,944 And he's beloved and he was such a great person 635 00:32:58,945 --> 00:33:00,464 because he's got these photo opps 636 00:33:00,465 --> 00:33:02,984 where he's helping cancer patients or something 637 00:33:02,985 --> 00:33:04,944 and that's what he did every day. 638 00:33:04,945 --> 00:33:07,805 They don't understand the way abusers work. 639 00:33:07,905 --> 00:33:10,944 Sexual abusers, especially the most prolific ones, 640 00:33:10,945 --> 00:33:12,584 they're not stupid people. 641 00:33:12,585 --> 00:33:14,925 They're incredibly intelligent. 642 00:33:15,025 --> 00:33:17,245 They're incredibly manipulative. 643 00:33:17,345 --> 00:33:19,784 And that's why they're able to do this for so long, 644 00:33:19,785 --> 00:33:21,485 for decades sometimes. 645 00:33:21,585 --> 00:33:23,624 Right in front of the public's eye. 646 00:33:23,625 --> 00:33:26,024 New tonight, Governor Gavin Newsome signed a new law 647 00:33:26,025 --> 00:33:29,084 giving child sexual assault victims more time 648 00:33:29,184 --> 00:33:30,663 to file lawsuits. 649 00:33:30,664 --> 00:33:32,623 The goal is to make it easier for victims 650 00:33:32,624 --> 00:33:34,564 to hand justice. 651 00:33:34,664 --> 00:33:37,463 Kind of as Leaving Neverland was being released 652 00:33:37,464 --> 00:33:40,783 and everything that happened with the me too movement, 653 00:33:40,784 --> 00:33:44,724 there was this kinda major societal shift 654 00:33:44,824 --> 00:33:47,524 around sexual abuse, sexual assault, 655 00:33:47,624 --> 00:33:49,324 accountability for that. 656 00:33:49,424 --> 00:33:53,824 That's yeah, statute of limitations ended up changing. 657 00:33:56,944 --> 00:34:00,411 You know, divine timing as we were sort of on appeal. 658 00:34:01,584 --> 00:34:05,083 So, that played a big role in us being able to 659 00:34:05,183 --> 00:34:07,323 head back towards court. 660 00:34:10,543 --> 00:34:12,342 The court of appeal reversed 661 00:34:12,343 --> 00:34:14,476 the trial court decision we won. 662 00:34:15,743 --> 00:34:18,582 And we're back in court with yet another judge 663 00:34:18,583 --> 00:34:20,443 litigating the case. 664 00:34:21,823 --> 00:34:23,222 Good morning, Howard Weitzman, 665 00:34:23,223 --> 00:34:24,822 on behalf of the fans, Judge. 666 00:34:24,823 --> 00:34:25,902 Good morning, Mr. Weitzman. 667 00:34:25,903 --> 00:34:28,542 I think the other side will say anything they can 668 00:34:28,543 --> 00:34:31,676 to prevent them from getting their day in court. 669 00:34:32,023 --> 00:34:33,222 Let's be clear. 670 00:34:33,223 --> 00:34:35,142 They're not sending a message to Wade and James. 671 00:34:35,143 --> 00:34:37,102 They're sending a message to all the other people 672 00:34:37,103 --> 00:34:39,102 they know are out there that he did this to 673 00:34:39,103 --> 00:34:41,123 to shut the fuck up. 674 00:34:41,223 --> 00:34:42,301 That's the message. 675 00:34:42,302 --> 00:34:45,102 Shut the fuck up or you're gonna get this. 676 00:34:45,182 --> 00:34:47,362 So, let's move onto Mr. Safechuck 677 00:34:47,462 --> 00:34:50,101 and here, we need to reset, Mr. Weitzman, 678 00:34:50,102 --> 00:34:51,821 your demur, is that correct? 679 00:34:51,822 --> 00:34:54,242 This message, I do, yes. 680 00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:56,642 Just one moment and I'll get you. 681 00:35:02,702 --> 00:35:03,741 Tail up! 682 00:35:03,742 --> 00:35:05,522 Mommy help you dig? 683 00:35:05,622 --> 00:35:07,922 No, I'm digging! 684 00:35:08,022 --> 00:35:10,322 Well, I'm gonna hold it over there. 685 00:35:10,422 --> 00:35:11,661 No, no, no! 686 00:35:11,662 --> 00:35:13,781 Tomorrow, we're going to the courthouse 687 00:35:13,782 --> 00:35:17,482 and they're gonna rule on a few points in my case 688 00:35:17,582 --> 00:35:22,401 and just been getting mentally ready 689 00:35:22,501 --> 00:35:24,501 to go down there and 690 00:35:27,221 --> 00:35:29,521 preparing for the worst, I think, 691 00:35:29,621 --> 00:35:31,641 so that I can be prepared. 692 00:35:31,741 --> 00:35:33,861 Been a little depressed today. 693 00:35:35,741 --> 00:35:37,801 I have been here before, yeah, 694 00:35:37,901 --> 00:35:40,081 seems like many times. 695 00:35:40,181 --> 00:35:43,561 So, it's draining to go through this 696 00:35:43,661 --> 00:35:45,361 over and over again. 697 00:35:45,421 --> 00:35:47,554 So here's another, another step. 698 00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:01,320 I didn't sleep last night. 699 00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:03,420 I slept like one hour. 700 00:36:05,020 --> 00:36:06,887 And there's kind of a shock. 701 00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:08,619 So, this is the defendant's, 702 00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:12,080 MJJ Ventures and MJJ Productions demur. 703 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:21,500 A demur is, I describe it as a legal so what. 704 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:25,579 Essentially the argument is, even if you assume 705 00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:28,419 everything in the allegations or the complaint are true, 706 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:31,538 that he molested him, that they knew, all that stuff, 707 00:36:31,539 --> 00:36:32,858 so what? 708 00:36:32,859 --> 00:36:35,659 We still can't proceed because of the law. 709 00:36:37,419 --> 00:36:39,058 This is the defendant's, 710 00:36:39,059 --> 00:36:42,399 MJJ Ventures and MJJ Productions, demur. 711 00:36:42,499 --> 00:36:44,338 So, I would like them to have an opportunity to 712 00:36:44,339 --> 00:36:47,139 address the courts, tentative law in first. 713 00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:48,578 Certainly your honour. 714 00:36:48,579 --> 00:36:51,119 This is Mr. Steinsapir. 715 00:36:51,219 --> 00:36:53,338 What they're alleging is that Michael Jackson 716 00:36:53,339 --> 00:36:57,039 was a paedophile, that he was an evil, 717 00:36:57,139 --> 00:36:58,578 he was a criminally deviant person. 718 00:36:58,579 --> 00:37:00,458 Those are the allegations in the complaint. 719 00:37:00,459 --> 00:37:02,279 That's not negligence. 720 00:37:02,379 --> 00:37:07,039 I don't see how you can say a company that is created 721 00:37:07,139 --> 00:37:10,078 by Michael Jackson for the purpose of 722 00:37:10,178 --> 00:37:12,978 managing Michael Jackson's business affairs 723 00:37:13,538 --> 00:37:16,598 had any sort of negligence based duty 724 00:37:16,698 --> 00:37:19,218 to not hire Michael Jackson. 725 00:37:20,378 --> 00:37:22,177 So, I've read the tentative ruling, 726 00:37:22,178 --> 00:37:25,518 the court's analysis and I think there's just a 727 00:37:25,618 --> 00:37:28,838 fundamental disagreement between the parties 728 00:37:28,938 --> 00:37:32,198 and plaintiff and the court's analysis. 729 00:37:32,298 --> 00:37:34,497 So, why am I wrong as to those two 730 00:37:34,498 --> 00:37:36,057 fundamental principles? 731 00:37:36,058 --> 00:37:38,257 The court has questioned whether there can 732 00:37:38,258 --> 00:37:40,438 potentially be more facts. 733 00:37:40,538 --> 00:37:43,217 The facts, the relevant facts, the important facts 734 00:37:43,218 --> 00:37:44,057 have been pled. 735 00:37:44,058 --> 00:37:45,758 They're in the complaint. 736 00:37:45,817 --> 00:37:47,496 We've been arguing these issues for years 737 00:37:47,497 --> 00:37:49,736 and we just have a difference of opinion. 738 00:37:49,737 --> 00:37:52,336 We're probably never going to agree on it. 739 00:37:52,337 --> 00:37:54,536 Ya know, this corporation was taking 740 00:37:54,537 --> 00:37:56,336 custody and control of kids. 741 00:37:56,337 --> 00:37:57,776 It had a duty to protect them. 742 00:37:57,777 --> 00:37:59,856 That's the law in the state of California. 743 00:37:59,857 --> 00:38:02,136 It's always been the law in the state of California 744 00:38:02,137 --> 00:38:03,456 and it doesn't matter if it's owned by 745 00:38:03,457 --> 00:38:05,957 a famous musician. 746 00:38:06,057 --> 00:38:07,336 I'm not gonna rule on this today. 747 00:38:07,337 --> 00:38:09,096 I mean, I need to take the time to go 748 00:38:09,097 --> 00:38:10,736 back through everything again 749 00:38:10,737 --> 00:38:12,936 and I obviously will let you know as soon as 750 00:38:12,937 --> 00:38:13,776 I have a ruling on it. 751 00:38:13,777 --> 00:38:15,096 Thank you, your honour. 752 00:38:15,097 --> 00:38:16,016 All right, thank you. 753 00:38:16,017 --> 00:38:17,717 All right. 754 00:38:22,016 --> 00:38:23,855 The court will have to make a decision 755 00:38:23,856 --> 00:38:27,335 whether if someone's the sole shareholder of a corporation, 756 00:38:27,336 --> 00:38:30,415 he can use the corporation to sexually abuse kids 757 00:38:30,416 --> 00:38:33,083 and there's nothing you can do about it. 758 00:38:42,296 --> 00:38:44,976 I don't know when it will end. 759 00:38:46,536 --> 00:38:49,936 Having been in it for so many years, it's gruelling. 760 00:38:52,896 --> 00:38:55,696 I'm looking forward to just letting it go. 761 00:38:56,736 --> 00:38:59,375 Like I just, I just wanna forget. 762 00:39:04,375 --> 00:39:08,235 This is not only about this one case, as we see. 763 00:39:08,335 --> 00:39:10,294 There's all kinds of abuse that's happened 764 00:39:10,295 --> 00:39:12,295 in the entertainment industry. 765 00:39:12,695 --> 00:39:16,795 And the laws that are being created by the legislature, 766 00:39:16,895 --> 00:39:19,814 by the appellate courts and the supreme courts, 767 00:39:19,815 --> 00:39:22,415 is gonna shape the ways that these kids 768 00:39:22,495 --> 00:39:23,494 were being victimised. 769 00:39:23,495 --> 00:39:26,428 Now, they can hold their abusers accountable. 770 00:39:28,455 --> 00:39:30,694 So, although James' case may have been a loss 771 00:39:30,695 --> 00:39:32,014 in the lower court, 772 00:39:32,015 --> 00:39:33,693 there's a very good chance we can turn it around 773 00:39:33,694 --> 00:39:36,114 to a very big win, not only for him, 774 00:39:36,214 --> 00:39:38,013 but for kids all across this state 775 00:39:38,014 --> 00:39:40,154 and that's our goal. 776 00:39:42,734 --> 00:39:43,973 Morning, your honour. 777 00:39:43,974 --> 00:39:46,013 Vince Finaldi for the plaintiff, Wade Robson. 778 00:39:46,014 --> 00:39:47,714 Morning Mr. Finaldi. 779 00:39:47,814 --> 00:39:48,653 Good morning, your honour. 780 00:39:48,654 --> 00:39:52,373 Jonathan Steinsapir and Kinsella Weitzman for the defendant. 781 00:39:52,374 --> 00:39:54,093 Good morning to both of you. 782 00:39:54,094 --> 00:39:58,074 The court has concluded that despite the evidence 783 00:39:58,174 --> 00:40:02,074 that's been submitted of the, if true, 784 00:40:02,174 --> 00:40:05,453 horrible acts that were committed against your client 785 00:40:05,454 --> 00:40:08,133 and Mr. Safechuck, court has concluded that, 786 00:40:08,134 --> 00:40:10,692 as a matter of law, the corporate entities, 787 00:40:10,693 --> 00:40:13,226 based upon their structure and control 788 00:40:13,253 --> 00:40:15,732 or lack of control over Michael Jackson, 789 00:40:15,733 --> 00:40:18,873 made it impossible for the court to even find 790 00:40:18,973 --> 00:40:21,212 a issue of fact as to where this case 791 00:40:21,213 --> 00:40:23,213 should proceed to trial. 792 00:40:23,653 --> 00:40:26,073 We have read the tentative ruling 793 00:40:26,173 --> 00:40:29,673 and if allowed to stand, this decision would set 794 00:40:29,773 --> 00:40:31,772 a dangerous precedent that would leave 795 00:40:31,773 --> 00:40:34,372 thousands of children vulnerable to sexual abuse 796 00:40:34,373 --> 00:40:38,593 by persons in places of power within corporations 797 00:40:38,693 --> 00:40:42,026 conducting business within the state of California. 798 00:40:42,573 --> 00:40:43,892 And the only thing I'll say in response 799 00:40:43,893 --> 00:40:46,452 to Mr. Finaldi is this court's decision doesn't 800 00:40:46,453 --> 00:40:49,912 open the door to endangering thousands of children. 801 00:40:50,012 --> 00:40:52,171 This is a very unique factual situation 802 00:40:52,172 --> 00:40:56,152 where the alleged perpetrator of the sexual abuse 803 00:40:56,252 --> 00:40:57,331 passed away. 804 00:40:57,332 --> 00:40:59,251 I understand the issue as well, your honour. 805 00:40:59,252 --> 00:41:02,371 I've practised in this area for 18 years, my entire career, 806 00:41:02,372 --> 00:41:03,931 and I completely disagree. 807 00:41:03,932 --> 00:41:05,451 Okay. 808 00:41:05,452 --> 00:41:06,651 So, the court's tentative will be its 809 00:41:06,652 --> 00:41:08,432 final ruling in this case. 810 00:41:08,532 --> 00:41:11,592 Judgement is entered for the defendants. 811 00:41:11,692 --> 00:41:13,792 Thank you. 812 00:41:13,892 --> 00:41:14,731 Thank you. 813 00:41:14,732 --> 00:41:16,432 Court will be in recess. 814 00:41:19,532 --> 00:41:21,571 It's just a misreading of the applicable law 815 00:41:21,572 --> 00:41:24,711 and completely contorting it in order to come 816 00:41:24,811 --> 00:41:27,678 to this decision, which was just flat wrong. 817 00:41:28,651 --> 00:41:30,370 This fight's long from over. 818 00:41:30,371 --> 00:41:32,250 We go back to the court of appeal 819 00:41:32,251 --> 00:41:33,210 and we'll see what the court of appeal 820 00:41:33,211 --> 00:41:35,211 has to say about it. 821 00:41:35,531 --> 00:41:37,271 This is not right. 822 00:41:37,371 --> 00:41:38,970 Ya know, just because you're the sole owner 823 00:41:38,971 --> 00:41:41,530 of a corporation doesn't mean that you can set up 824 00:41:41,531 --> 00:41:43,330 the corporation in a manner that allows you 825 00:41:43,331 --> 00:41:45,090 to sexually abuse kids throughout this state 826 00:41:45,091 --> 00:41:48,024 and throughout the country without liability. 827 00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:49,890 That's not the way it works 828 00:41:49,891 --> 00:41:51,210 and if it is the way it works, 829 00:41:51,211 --> 00:41:54,011 then we're gonna do something to change it. 830 00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:16,997 The last time that it got thrown out, 831 00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:21,630 the defence was whether he did it or not, 832 00:42:21,730 --> 00:42:22,649 we couldn't control it. 833 00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:24,009 He did whatever he wanted 834 00:42:24,010 --> 00:42:25,289 'cause he's the only one who owned the company 835 00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:26,929 and the only shareholder. 836 00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:30,590 So, companies can not hold any responsibility. 837 00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:33,910 The trial court judge agreed with that 838 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:36,743 and threw it outta court based upon that. 839 00:42:36,769 --> 00:42:41,769 Right now, we're at a point where we've received a tentative 840 00:42:42,409 --> 00:42:44,989 ruling that, from the appeals court, 841 00:42:45,089 --> 00:42:48,909 that it's going to get another chance. 842 00:42:51,609 --> 00:42:54,829 My colleagues today are Justice Elizabeth Grimes, 843 00:42:54,929 --> 00:42:57,349 Justice John Shepard Wiley, Jr. 844 00:42:57,449 --> 00:42:59,609 and Justice Victor Viramontes. 845 00:43:00,769 --> 00:43:02,829 Today's the oral argument. 846 00:43:02,929 --> 00:43:05,048 We have a chance to go and argue 847 00:43:05,049 --> 00:43:07,688 any additional points you want to address 848 00:43:07,689 --> 00:43:09,689 from the tentative ruling. 849 00:43:10,209 --> 00:43:12,868 A tentative opinion is kind of the, 850 00:43:12,968 --> 00:43:15,327 the idea of where the court is going. 851 00:43:15,328 --> 00:43:19,188 So it's not final, but it's a draught opinion. 852 00:43:19,288 --> 00:43:23,268 The three justices are on top 853 00:43:23,368 --> 00:43:26,988 and then there's myself and the attorney 854 00:43:27,088 --> 00:43:29,988 representing MJJ Corporations. 855 00:43:32,128 --> 00:43:37,128 Miss Boyer, do you wish to reserve any time for rebuttal? 856 00:43:37,688 --> 00:43:38,927 Good morning, your honours. 857 00:43:38,928 --> 00:43:41,927 Yes, we agree with the court's tentative ruling, 858 00:43:41,928 --> 00:43:43,727 so we would like to therefore reserve 859 00:43:43,728 --> 00:43:45,588 all our time for rebuttal. 860 00:43:45,688 --> 00:43:47,967 Very good, I was hoping you'd say that. 861 00:43:47,968 --> 00:43:50,127 So, Mr. Steinsapir? 862 00:43:51,487 --> 00:43:52,526 Correct. 863 00:43:52,527 --> 00:43:53,406 Shall I begin? 864 00:43:53,407 --> 00:43:55,107 Yes, please. 865 00:46:52,202 --> 00:46:54,281 The Jackson team don't agree that they had 866 00:46:54,282 --> 00:46:57,662 any duty whatsoever to protect these kids 867 00:46:57,762 --> 00:47:02,762 and they liken the abuse to a child drowning in a pool 868 00:47:03,322 --> 00:47:07,055 and someone walking by and having no duty to do anything. 869 00:47:07,682 --> 00:47:10,615 You just stand there and watched a child die? 870 00:47:45,161 --> 00:47:47,360 Corporations say that these are quote, 871 00:47:47,361 --> 00:47:50,261 "idiosyncratic circumstances," end quote. 872 00:47:50,361 --> 00:47:52,261 And perhaps they are. 873 00:47:52,361 --> 00:47:55,781 It would be perverse to find no duty 874 00:47:55,881 --> 00:47:58,040 based upon the corporate defendant having 875 00:47:58,041 --> 00:47:59,861 only one shareholder. 876 00:47:59,961 --> 00:48:01,880 And so, we reverse the judgments 877 00:48:01,881 --> 00:48:03,814 entered for the corporations. 878 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,780 I agree it's perverse! 879 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,080 I think it's strong wording and it's appropriate. 880 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,039 Who cares if one person owns it or 100 people 881 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,079 own the corporation? 882 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,280 If the corporation facilitates abuse of children, 883 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,959 especially children who are employed by the corporation, 884 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,039 to help it make money, then the corporation 885 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,020 should be held liable. 886 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,820 Period. 887 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,920 The ruling that was written 888 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,520 by the three appellate judges 889 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,120 was so powerful. 890 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,519 Judges are standing up for me 891 00:48:44,359 --> 00:48:47,026 and standing up for what happened to us. 892 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,638 Ya know, I never expected a legal document like that 893 00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,339 to be emotional. 894 00:48:51,439 --> 00:48:53,439 Standing up for all children 895 00:48:54,279 --> 00:48:56,346 was how this ruling felt to me. 896 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,659 The 10 years of battling for it has made me 897 00:49:02,759 --> 00:49:05,838 more appreciative and grateful for the fact that 898 00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:07,839 we're able to even go forward. 899 00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:11,198 I don't know if excited is the right word, 900 00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:14,959 but I'm like, embracing it, 901 00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:19,418 because it's been so difficult to just 902 00:49:19,518 --> 00:49:21,518 be able to go forward. 903 00:49:23,758 --> 00:49:26,237 One of the unfortunate circumstances of these cases 904 00:49:26,238 --> 00:49:28,858 is that they're incredibly dark. 905 00:49:28,958 --> 00:49:31,277 They're incredibly difficult especially when you 906 00:49:31,278 --> 00:49:35,178 really care about your clients and what you're doing. 907 00:49:35,278 --> 00:49:38,211 Generally speaking, I lose one client a year, 908 00:49:38,238 --> 00:49:42,818 sometimes two, to suicide or to the ill effects 909 00:49:42,918 --> 00:49:44,077 that come from abuse. 910 00:49:44,078 --> 00:49:46,738 Alcoholism, drug use. 911 00:49:46,838 --> 00:49:49,277 So, you extrapolate that out through a 20 year career 912 00:49:49,278 --> 00:49:51,458 and I get to deal with, ya know, 913 00:49:51,558 --> 00:49:53,997 the ghosts of at least 20 to 30 clients 914 00:49:53,998 --> 00:49:56,131 that I think about all the time. 915 00:49:57,037 --> 00:49:58,996 Dealing with these dark issues, 916 00:49:58,997 --> 00:50:01,057 they take a toll on you. 917 00:50:01,157 --> 00:50:03,036 They take a toll on your family. 918 00:50:03,037 --> 00:50:05,596 Till you get to some point where ya need to do something 919 00:50:05,597 --> 00:50:07,597 to change that. 920 00:50:08,277 --> 00:50:11,610 I am going to be retiring out of this line of work. 921 00:50:13,317 --> 00:50:14,836 They're gonna be in great hands 922 00:50:14,837 --> 00:50:18,697 with some very good trial lawyers in Los Angeles 923 00:50:18,797 --> 00:50:19,876 who are gonna be taking this case 924 00:50:19,877 --> 00:50:21,857 from this point forward. 925 00:50:23,317 --> 00:50:26,017 I only take cases that I think I can win. 926 00:50:29,877 --> 00:50:32,976 And I'm fully invested and I'm looking forward 927 00:50:33,076 --> 00:50:34,856 to this trial. 928 00:50:39,196 --> 00:50:40,995 My position is we just sit down, 929 00:50:40,996 --> 00:50:43,475 get it done, and we'll take these depositions 930 00:50:43,476 --> 00:50:46,476 and we'll go to trial and that's what we want. 931 00:51:03,116 --> 00:51:05,383 They want the trial never to come. 932 00:51:06,076 --> 00:51:07,794 It's typical in these types of cases where 933 00:51:07,795 --> 00:51:10,975 if the plaintiff wants closure, that's our goal 934 00:51:11,075 --> 00:51:12,314 is to get this case done. 935 00:51:12,315 --> 00:51:14,455 Their goal is to delay the case. 936 00:51:14,555 --> 00:51:17,135 They seek delay, we seek justice. 937 00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:26,855 They wanna make money on their movies. 938 00:51:26,955 --> 00:51:29,674 They wanna make money on their Broadway shows. 939 00:51:29,675 --> 00:51:31,994 They wanna make money in their music. 940 00:51:31,995 --> 00:51:33,914 That's Michael Jackson's corporations job. 941 00:51:33,915 --> 00:51:35,834 Now that Michael Jackson is dead, 942 00:51:35,835 --> 00:51:37,954 but what remains is Michael Jackson's corporation, 943 00:51:37,955 --> 00:51:41,495 their sole duty and obligation and reason to live 944 00:51:41,595 --> 00:51:43,775 and exist is the making of money 945 00:51:43,875 --> 00:51:45,974 on Michael Jackson's music 946 00:51:46,074 --> 00:51:49,854 and the truth of what Michael Jackson did 947 00:51:49,954 --> 00:51:51,954 is very inconvenient. 948 00:51:53,154 --> 00:51:55,713 The more delay they have, the more money they make. 949 00:51:55,714 --> 00:51:57,073 But as soon as they have to own up 950 00:51:57,074 --> 00:51:58,993 and reconcile the truth of what Michael did, 951 00:51:58,994 --> 00:52:01,927 it's gonna decrease their revenues, for sure. 952 00:52:02,274 --> 00:52:05,354 I know so much more than I can tell you. 953 00:52:06,794 --> 00:52:10,294 I know what Michael Jackson did. 954 00:52:14,234 --> 00:52:16,713 Part of me is like kind of building up this 955 00:52:16,714 --> 00:52:19,554 strength and this shield to go through it, 956 00:52:21,313 --> 00:52:24,773 imagining myself in trial, in the seat, 957 00:52:24,873 --> 00:52:29,793 finding the strength and fighting for little Jimmy. 958 00:52:31,153 --> 00:52:34,033 When it comes, I'll be ready. 959 00:52:35,593 --> 00:52:37,533 Whatever's the final outcome, 960 00:52:37,633 --> 00:52:40,173 I don't really see how I lose. 961 00:52:40,273 --> 00:52:42,552 If I get the opportunity to get back in there 962 00:52:42,553 --> 00:52:45,072 and get on the stand and tell the truth 963 00:52:45,073 --> 00:52:47,272 like I wasn't able to for decades, 964 00:52:47,273 --> 00:52:49,273 that's a win for me.