1 00:00:36,786 --> 00:00:39,039 operator Please hold 2 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:41,499 while we attempt to connect your call. 3 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:03,039 speaker: Have a seat right there. 4 00:02:03,081 --> 00:02:04,392 - Durst: Here? - Speaker: Right there. 5 00:02:04,416 --> 00:02:05,559 John Lewin: Give you the, uh, 6 00:02:05,583 --> 00:02:07,419 we'll give you the comfier seat. 7 00:02:10,170 --> 00:02:12,298 I'm, uh, I'm John Lewin. 8 00:02:12,382 --> 00:02:14,801 I am a... I'm a deputy DA. 9 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:19,055 Do you mind if... 10 00:02:19,097 --> 00:02:21,558 Mr. Durst or Bob? You-You tell me. 11 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:25,812 - Durst: Um, Bob is fine. - Lewin: Okay. Um, so, Bob, basically, 12 00:02:27,022 --> 00:02:29,107 I'm from Los Angeles County, 13 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:31,818 and-and I'm here to, to speak to you. 14 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:35,780 What I do, I do cold murder cases. 15 00:02:36,281 --> 00:02:38,783 Durst: I'm surprised there are that many of those 16 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:41,911 that you have a full-time job working on them. 17 00:02:43,788 --> 00:02:44,622 There's a certain image, 18 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:46,958 even as a, as a seasoned prosecutor, 19 00:02:47,042 --> 00:02:49,668 you have of, of a killer. 20 00:02:50,045 --> 00:02:54,382 You can't help yourself. And it's not Bob. 21 00:02:54,466 --> 00:02:57,135 Lewin: Before we, we start, 22 00:02:57,218 --> 00:02:59,471 I wanna let you know that, um, 23 00:02:59,512 --> 00:03:02,057 I feel like I know you. Now, I've never met you. 24 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:04,309 I feel like I know you very well. 25 00:03:04,392 --> 00:03:07,312 You know, I know it's a, it's probably a very, you know, 26 00:03:07,354 --> 00:03:09,481 uncomfortable day for you right now. 27 00:03:09,522 --> 00:03:12,317 And if there's anything that I ask you 28 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,194 that you, that you don't wanna answer... 29 00:03:14,277 --> 00:03:16,488 - Durst: I won't answer it. - Lewin: Okay. 30 00:03:17,489 --> 00:03:19,324 Many times in Bob's life, 31 00:03:19,407 --> 00:03:22,827 in custody, outta custody, 32 00:03:22,911 --> 00:03:24,079 Bob has an option. 33 00:03:24,162 --> 00:03:26,664 One door is 34 00:03:26,706 --> 00:03:29,292 keep your mouth shut and don't say anything, 35 00:03:29,334 --> 00:03:31,711 and one door is talk. 36 00:03:31,795 --> 00:03:35,340 Bob always goes into the talk door. Always. 37 00:03:35,382 --> 00:03:38,093 Detective Whelan, Mike's gonna advise you 38 00:03:38,176 --> 00:03:40,553 of your Miranda rights, and... 39 00:03:40,637 --> 00:03:43,180 Are... Can we... Are you cold? Can we get you something? 40 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:44,825 Speaker: It is a little cold in here, yeah. 41 00:03:44,849 --> 00:03:46,994 - Lewin: Do you want us to get you a blanket? - Speaker: Do... Yeah. 42 00:03:47,018 --> 00:03:49,813 Lewin: Here you go. Do you want, do you want anything to drink? 43 00:03:49,853 --> 00:03:52,440 - Some coffee? - Durst: Coffee would be great. 44 00:03:56,611 --> 00:03:59,656 Lewin: Okay, only two rules on the coffee. 45 00:03:59,698 --> 00:04:03,284 One, you can't throw it at either one of us, at any of us. 46 00:04:03,368 --> 00:04:05,787 And you can't throw it on the computer. Fair enough? 47 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:09,374 - Durst: Very fair. - Lewin: Okay, here you go. Alright. 48 00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:13,586 The reason I like cold cases 49 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:17,589 is because people think they beat it. 50 00:04:17,673 --> 00:04:21,553 I love being able to swoop in, 51 00:04:21,636 --> 00:04:25,890 and to basically be able to say, "Yeah, no, you didn't beat it. 52 00:04:26,599 --> 00:04:28,935 "You walked around for a long time. 53 00:04:29,019 --> 00:04:31,896 "You got a life to live you didn't deserve. 54 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:35,900 But eventually, you gotta pay the piper." 55 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:02,969 ♪ Well, you just think that I'm ♪ 56 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:07,557 ♪ Some great survivor ♪ 57 00:05:10,602 --> 00:05:12,437 ♪ And you just build upon ♪ 58 00:05:15,231 --> 00:05:17,776 ♪ The light to carry you ♪ 59 00:05:20,695 --> 00:05:23,114 ♪ Well, I don't even talk that way ♪ 60 00:05:23,198 --> 00:05:25,116 ♪ See, I wanted you to stay ♪ 61 00:05:25,158 --> 00:05:27,619 ♪ And show you the world's a better place ♪ 62 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,332 ♪ And as we crawl to find our way ♪ 63 00:05:32,415 --> 00:05:36,336 ♪ We even take the shape of something else ♪ 64 00:05:39,881 --> 00:05:42,425 - ♪ You think that I'm just ♪ - (gunshot) 65 00:05:44,594 --> 00:05:47,347 ♪ Some great survivor ♪ 66 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:52,519 ♪ You think that I'm just ♪ 67 00:05:54,437 --> 00:05:56,940 ♪ Some great survivor ♪ 68 00:05:59,984 --> 00:06:03,655 ♪ I'm afraid that the weight of the world ♪ 69 00:06:03,697 --> 00:06:06,116 ♪ Is catching up with you ♪ 70 00:06:37,856 --> 00:06:40,442 Newscaster: LA County Deputy District Attorney John Lewin 71 00:06:40,525 --> 00:06:42,027 has spent decades prosecuting 72 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:45,196 complicated circumstantial murder cases. 73 00:06:49,701 --> 00:06:52,495 Lewin: The idea that it's not necessarily typical 74 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:55,457 for a filmmaker to call me up, going, 75 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:57,459 "Yeah, we've got evidence," 76 00:06:57,542 --> 00:06:59,878 it's more than not necessarily typical. It's, 77 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:02,213 I mean, unheard of. 78 00:07:02,297 --> 00:07:03,840 Again, I've done this a lotta years 79 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:07,385 with a lot of interesting cases, and that just doesn't happen. 80 00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:25,695 I love circumstantial cold cases, 81 00:07:25,737 --> 00:07:30,116 and my expertise are circumstantial no-body cases. 82 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,034 So I knew all about Bob Durst. 83 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:36,247 Bob's wife Kathie had disappeared 84 00:07:36,289 --> 00:07:38,832 in Westchester back in 1982. 85 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:44,923 His best friend Susan Berman had been murdered in 2000. 86 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:49,302 And finally, his neighbor Morris Black was killed 87 00:07:49,386 --> 00:07:52,597 and dismembered in Texas in 2001. 88 00:07:54,099 --> 00:07:56,768 Well, nothing can be done about Morris Black. 89 00:07:56,851 --> 00:07:58,228 He's already been acquitted. 90 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:01,981 Westchester has never done anything 91 00:08:02,065 --> 00:08:04,484 on Kathie Durst. There are issues. 92 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:06,695 I don't think there's anything to go there. 93 00:08:08,071 --> 00:08:11,866 The one to look at is the Susan Berman case. 94 00:08:17,288 --> 00:08:18,915 George Shamlyan: It kinda offended me 95 00:08:18,957 --> 00:08:21,292 as a detective 96 00:08:21,376 --> 00:08:23,545 that this person was able to get away 97 00:08:23,628 --> 00:08:24,921 with three murders 98 00:08:24,963 --> 00:08:29,134 because of all the privilege, money, power he had. 99 00:08:30,552 --> 00:08:32,929 Homicide detectives, we have a saying. 100 00:08:33,596 --> 00:08:35,181 "We work for God." 101 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:38,643 We try to get justice for the victim 102 00:08:38,727 --> 00:08:40,645 and his or her family. 103 00:08:41,312 --> 00:08:45,567 So, John Lewin and I started working on the case together. 104 00:08:48,069 --> 00:08:49,279 We had a board. 105 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:52,323 On the board, we had the plan of action 106 00:08:53,658 --> 00:08:56,661 and people to be interviewed. 107 00:08:56,703 --> 00:09:00,373 We ended up interviewing close to maybe 300 people. 108 00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:04,419 Lewin: I'm trying to put this case together, 109 00:09:04,502 --> 00:09:06,504 myself and detectives, 110 00:09:06,588 --> 00:09:08,298 and here's the problem. 111 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:11,718 If we contact these witnesses and it gets back to Bob, 112 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:12,969 Bob is gonna take off, 113 00:09:13,011 --> 00:09:15,263 and we're not gonna see him again. 114 00:09:17,349 --> 00:09:19,017 So I knew it was going to be a race 115 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:22,312 to get as far as we could before "The Jinx" came out. 116 00:09:26,191 --> 00:09:29,778 Charles Bagli: Just before "The Jinx" is unveiled, 117 00:09:29,861 --> 00:09:31,696 Bob is living in Houston. 118 00:09:31,738 --> 00:09:33,740 He's still flitting around the country, 119 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:37,827 but his permanent address is more or less in Houston. 120 00:09:40,789 --> 00:09:43,333 So he was completely free, right? 121 00:09:43,375 --> 00:09:46,336 - At that point. - Bagli: Absolutely, and I think he would be free today 122 00:09:46,378 --> 00:09:48,963 if he had just kept his trap shut. 123 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:52,693 Charlie Rose: "The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst" 124 00:09:52,717 --> 00:09:55,804 is a new six-part HBO documentary series. 125 00:09:55,887 --> 00:09:57,722 It details the case of the heir 126 00:09:57,764 --> 00:09:59,974 to a wealthy New York real estate family. 127 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:04,938 Lewin: When "The Jinx" came out, 128 00:10:05,021 --> 00:10:07,524 it was a six-part miniseries. 129 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:09,651 And my prediction was, 130 00:10:09,734 --> 00:10:12,570 "This is going to be the biggest thing 131 00:10:12,654 --> 00:10:15,407 to hit my office since OJ." 132 00:10:16,241 --> 00:10:19,244 George Stephanopoulos: The multimillionaire real estate heir Robert Durst, 133 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:20,662 in a new HBO documentary, 134 00:10:20,704 --> 00:10:23,289 he's answering all the charges for the first time. 135 00:10:23,373 --> 00:10:24,874 What do you think at the end? 136 00:10:24,916 --> 00:10:26,560 - Do you reach a conclusion? - Well, I think that 137 00:10:26,584 --> 00:10:28,813 what the audience will find when they get to the end of this 138 00:10:28,837 --> 00:10:30,481 is that they're not scratching their heads. 139 00:10:30,505 --> 00:10:31,941 When they get to the end of six episodes, 140 00:10:31,965 --> 00:10:34,217 they will know what happened. 141 00:10:39,764 --> 00:10:41,433 Who has been pressing, as you know, 142 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:44,728 to see the finished episodes. 143 00:10:44,769 --> 00:10:47,981 And he was sorta saying, "We're curious about whether 144 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:51,860 "you come to the conclusion that he's guilty or he's not guilty. 145 00:10:51,943 --> 00:10:55,613 "But obviously, there's a concern that there could be 146 00:10:55,697 --> 00:10:58,825 "a prosecution as a result of this, 147 00:10:58,908 --> 00:11:02,704 and we are, you know, very keen to see it as soon as possible." 148 00:11:04,748 --> 00:11:06,508 I mean, I said to him, "Well, I know for sure 149 00:11:06,583 --> 00:11:08,251 "they'll let me show you one. 150 00:11:08,293 --> 00:11:11,046 You know, episode one, tomorrow or whatever." 151 00:11:11,129 --> 00:11:14,132 And he said, "Well, then I might as well just wait for Sunday." 152 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,767 newscaster: A teenage boy fishing 153 00:11:23,808 --> 00:11:25,977 in the shallow waters off Galveston, Texas 154 00:11:26,061 --> 00:11:29,314 stumbled on the gruesome remains of a murder. 155 00:11:30,774 --> 00:11:32,901 Bagli: "The Jinx" started airing in February. 156 00:11:32,984 --> 00:11:35,320 As each episode aired, 157 00:11:35,403 --> 00:11:39,157 Bob was watching from his home in Houston, 158 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,535 and he and I spoke after every episode. 159 00:11:42,619 --> 00:11:46,164 Bob got away with murdering Kathie. 160 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:49,209 Gilberte Najamy : I need to know what happened to Kathie. 161 00:11:49,292 --> 00:11:51,795 These are my notes from this time period. 162 00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:54,089 I'd get his reaction. 163 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,091 "Hey, Charles Bagli. It's Robert Durst." 164 00:11:56,174 --> 00:12:00,136 "The second episode, I don't have anything to say about it." 165 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:04,182 "We've heard Kathie's family saying, 166 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,352 "'Why won't he tell us what he did with her?' 167 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,062 "On and on, 168 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:11,564 "as if they actually expect me to say, 169 00:12:11,648 --> 00:12:14,359 'I put her over there near the lamppost.'" 170 00:12:14,818 --> 00:12:18,113 speaker : Beverly Hills Police Department received a letter in the mail. 171 00:12:18,196 --> 00:12:21,491 The envelope was addressed "Beverley Hills Police," 172 00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:23,868 and the note read, "cadaver." 173 00:12:23,952 --> 00:12:26,204 Andrew Jarecki: Can you think of a reason 174 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:29,207 why somebody might write a note like that? 175 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:30,917 I can't imagine. 176 00:12:31,001 --> 00:12:34,045 Bagli: By the third episode, 177 00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:37,048 he was thinking, "I-I'm in pretty good shape. 178 00:12:37,132 --> 00:12:41,219 "He's covered Galveston, Los Angeles, Westchester. 179 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:45,557 What else can he put in those final episodes?" 180 00:12:52,522 --> 00:12:55,400 producer : So, let me see the letter. 181 00:12:55,483 --> 00:12:57,902 And, I mean, of course I told you this, but... 182 00:13:02,532 --> 00:13:05,910 producer : He showed me a letter from Bob to Susan. 183 00:13:05,994 --> 00:13:07,274 The address written on the front 184 00:13:07,328 --> 00:13:09,664 is exactly like the Cadaver Note, 185 00:13:09,748 --> 00:13:12,375 down to the misspelling of "Beverley." 186 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,921 Bagli: So when Bob saw his letter on the TV, 187 00:13:17,005 --> 00:13:19,591 he got very nervous. 188 00:13:19,674 --> 00:13:21,968 This seems to be proof positive 189 00:13:22,052 --> 00:13:25,555 that he killed Susan. That is evidence! 190 00:13:28,391 --> 00:13:32,062 When I called him after the fifth episode... 191 00:13:32,103 --> 00:13:34,814 there was a change in Bob. 192 00:13:34,898 --> 00:13:38,568 He was clearly now worried. 193 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:39,944 "No, I'm sorta busy right now. 194 00:13:40,028 --> 00:13:43,281 Let me get back to you, uh, say Wednesday. Bye-bye." 195 00:13:46,242 --> 00:13:50,455 And I thought to myself, "Holy shit. He's gonna run." 196 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:54,602 newscaster : In this past Sunday's show, 197 00:13:54,626 --> 00:13:57,712 the discovery of a potentially blockbuster piece of evidence. 198 00:13:57,796 --> 00:13:58,922 Susan Berman... 199 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:01,633 Shamlyan: March 2015, 200 00:14:01,675 --> 00:14:05,220 we got evidence from FBI 201 00:14:05,303 --> 00:14:07,138 that Robert Durst was on the run. 202 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:11,893 We also got evidence that he was doing 203 00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:14,479 what's called "money structuring." 204 00:14:15,939 --> 00:14:19,734 He was withdrawing $9,000 almost daily. 205 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:24,155 When you withdraw cash money over $10,000, 206 00:14:24,239 --> 00:14:26,908 banks are required to report to the federal government 207 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:29,911 as a suspish activity, and he was trying to avoid that. 208 00:14:29,994 --> 00:14:32,997 He was making withdrawals of $9,000. 209 00:14:34,665 --> 00:14:38,920 Why would he want that cash unless he was gonna run? 210 00:14:39,004 --> 00:14:41,673 And if he left the country, went to some country 211 00:14:41,756 --> 00:14:43,383 we didn't have a extradition treaty, 212 00:14:43,466 --> 00:14:46,678 we would have a very difficult time 213 00:14:46,761 --> 00:14:48,930 of bringing him back. 214 00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:52,058 And my captain told me, 215 00:14:52,142 --> 00:14:55,311 "Whatever you do, don't let Bob Durst get away." 216 00:15:00,150 --> 00:15:02,152 Eric Perry: When it came time to track him, 217 00:15:02,193 --> 00:15:04,487 I was brought in to help with the technical side of that, 218 00:15:04,529 --> 00:15:06,865 where we were able to get up on his cell phone. 219 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:08,366 We got his cell phone records. 220 00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:11,786 LAPD was able to obtain a wiretap, 221 00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:13,230 which allows us to see the numbers 222 00:15:13,288 --> 00:15:16,750 calling into and out of Bob's cell phone. 223 00:15:16,833 --> 00:15:18,953 The last cell tower that I was able to map 224 00:15:19,002 --> 00:15:21,755 put him heading eastbound on Interstate 10, 225 00:15:21,838 --> 00:15:23,882 leaving the area of Houston. 226 00:15:24,424 --> 00:15:27,260 So we realized his phone had been turned off 227 00:15:28,053 --> 00:15:30,555 and then it wasn't active for several hours. 228 00:15:32,223 --> 00:15:35,560 LAPD, the FBI in LA, us in New York, 229 00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:37,479 we were all really pushing. We're like, 230 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:39,564 "We need to get him in custody right away." 231 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:46,071 Our greatest concern came true, and that was scary. 232 00:15:48,073 --> 00:15:50,408 Bob has always seemed to have been one step ahead 233 00:15:50,492 --> 00:15:51,951 of everybody for the most part. 234 00:15:52,035 --> 00:15:55,497 And this was just a kinda déjà vu moment. 235 00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:01,753 Shamlyan: So we had to scramble to get a search warrant 236 00:16:01,795 --> 00:16:04,089 for his apartment in Houston. 237 00:16:07,342 --> 00:16:09,803 We went to search the apartment, 238 00:16:09,886 --> 00:16:12,847 and we got the surveillance. 239 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,019 Shamlyan: We sent a team of four detectives 240 00:16:59,102 --> 00:17:01,354 to his apartment, 241 00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:04,482 and we did a search there. 242 00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:07,777 His phone was gone. 243 00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:10,320 He left his checkbooks and credit cards in there. 244 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:12,198 Clearly, he was not gonna use them 245 00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:14,325 'cause we would have tracked it. 246 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:17,996 There was some evidence of him taking stuff out, 247 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:19,289 or somebody else. 248 00:17:19,329 --> 00:17:22,334 But apartment was cleaned. It was cleaned out. 249 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:14,010 investigator: Okay. 250 00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:20,517 My name is Chris Lovell. 251 00:18:20,892 --> 00:18:24,187 C-H-R-I-S, L-O-V-E-double I. 252 00:18:24,813 --> 00:18:26,815 Dan Rather: In one of the more surprising verdicts 253 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:29,901 in recent court history, a jury in Galveston, Texas 254 00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:31,903 today found a wealthy man 255 00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:34,072 innocent of murdering another man, 256 00:18:34,155 --> 00:18:35,740 even after he admitted 257 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:38,952 he cut up the victim's body and disposed of it. 258 00:18:39,828 --> 00:18:43,039 Hon. Susan Criss: Chris Lovell was one of the jurors in the Galveston case 259 00:18:43,081 --> 00:18:46,918 that immediately befriended Bob as soon as the trial was over. 260 00:18:47,002 --> 00:18:48,753 They formed a relationship. 261 00:18:49,713 --> 00:18:53,091 I think he was enamored with Bob 262 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:56,469 because Bob is incredibly wealthy. 263 00:18:56,553 --> 00:19:00,640 He was hoping that would provide some financial rewards. 264 00:19:01,558 --> 00:19:03,184 With what was presented to me, 265 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,103 absolutely, positively, 100%. 266 00:19:05,145 --> 00:19:07,647 With what was presented to me. Yes, sir. 267 00:19:09,232 --> 00:19:12,235 Criss: I've never seen or heard of a juror forming a relationship 268 00:19:12,277 --> 00:19:14,904 with a defendant after trial. 269 00:19:14,946 --> 00:19:16,948 But then, most defendants 270 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:19,492 aren't extremely wealthy 271 00:19:19,576 --> 00:19:22,495 with sort of a celebrity status. 272 00:19:22,579 --> 00:19:26,791 I think that Bob trusted Chris. 273 00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:31,463 And I think that Chris Lovell will do whatever Bob says. 274 00:19:32,964 --> 00:19:38,053 I didn't set out to be his... Robert Durst's friend. 275 00:19:38,136 --> 00:19:40,138 It just kind of evolved into that. 276 00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:42,515 I just set out to get some 277 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:45,226 some questions answered in my mind, 278 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:49,481 but it has evolved into a friendship, and... 279 00:19:50,607 --> 00:19:52,817 I don't have a problem with him at all. 280 00:19:55,278 --> 00:19:56,988 It is astounding 281 00:19:57,072 --> 00:20:00,283 that 12 years after a murder trial, 282 00:20:00,325 --> 00:20:03,578 one of the jurors is helping Bob 283 00:20:04,871 --> 00:20:06,998 make his getaway. 284 00:20:47,247 --> 00:20:49,374 That apartment was sanitized. 285 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,545 We did not find any critical evidence. 286 00:21:09,477 --> 00:21:13,023 There was a box on top of the bed in the bedroom. 287 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:17,402 In that box there was mementos. 288 00:21:19,571 --> 00:21:21,948 Susan Berman's photos, 289 00:21:22,032 --> 00:21:24,159 Kathie Durst's photos. 290 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:27,537 To this day, I think it was staged for him to say that, 291 00:21:27,579 --> 00:21:30,665 "I cared about these people." 292 00:21:30,749 --> 00:21:33,460 But he was sort of playing games. 293 00:21:41,885 --> 00:21:44,637 Perry: I'm sitting there, listening to the wiretap 294 00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:47,724 Saturday before the last episode of "The Jinx" aired 295 00:21:48,433 --> 00:21:51,936 and I hear a phone call come into, um, Bob's cell phone. 296 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:56,107 Operator : Hello, you've reached the Jitterbug voicemail for... 297 00:21:56,191 --> 00:21:57,567 Durst : Bob. 298 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:59,086 Perry: And I could hear Bob 299 00:21:59,110 --> 00:22:03,281 trying to log into his voicemail using his PIN number. 300 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:09,162 So, it's like "beep, beep, beep." 301 00:22:09,245 --> 00:22:12,290 And he was unsuccessful. He was actually getting frustrated. 302 00:22:12,332 --> 00:22:14,959 Durst : Dang. Shit. 303 00:22:16,127 --> 00:22:19,214 No... Fuc... 304 00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:21,508 Perry: So I knew it was Bob. 305 00:22:22,092 --> 00:22:23,426 So I quickly ran the number 306 00:22:23,468 --> 00:22:25,762 that was calling into his voicemail 307 00:22:27,138 --> 00:22:30,600 and it came back to the JW Marriott in New Orleans. 308 00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:40,985 FBI office in New Orleans 309 00:22:41,069 --> 00:22:43,988 responded there to attempt to locate Bob. 310 00:22:48,660 --> 00:22:52,038 Special agent checked with the hotel register. 311 00:22:52,122 --> 00:22:54,791 There was no Bob Durst registered at the hotel. 312 00:22:56,292 --> 00:22:58,253 So he decided to set up surveillance. 313 00:23:07,012 --> 00:23:09,848 Sure enough, about three hours later... 314 00:23:12,142 --> 00:23:13,518 Bob walked in. 315 00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:19,524 It just seemed like everything was colliding. 316 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:22,193 It was all coming to a head at once. 317 00:23:24,362 --> 00:23:28,283 One of the FBI agents said, "Robert Durst?" 318 00:23:28,366 --> 00:23:31,244 And Bob kinda stopped. 319 00:23:31,327 --> 00:23:34,122 So they started talking to him. 320 00:23:34,706 --> 00:23:38,209 And then a woman is walking by, a guest in the hotel, 321 00:23:39,044 --> 00:23:42,005 and she said, "Oh, is that Bob Durst?" 322 00:23:42,047 --> 00:23:45,300 She had just been watching "The Jinx," 323 00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:47,177 so she recognized him! 324 00:23:49,721 --> 00:23:52,724 You can't make this stuff up! 325 00:23:53,016 --> 00:23:55,560 But Bob is now famous. 326 00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:58,229 As good as Bob can be or as lucky as Bob is 327 00:23:58,271 --> 00:23:59,981 about evading capture, 328 00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:03,234 you know, he screwed up, and, and we caught him. 329 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:09,824 Lewin: I was contacted, 330 00:24:09,908 --> 00:24:12,410 and I was told, "Okay, he's been arrested." 331 00:24:21,086 --> 00:24:24,381 The FBI agents asked Bob if he had any ID, 332 00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:27,217 so he took them up to his room. 333 00:24:30,637 --> 00:24:33,264 When they end up going into the room, they find 334 00:24:33,348 --> 00:24:35,558 drugs... 335 00:24:36,935 --> 00:24:38,412 a bunch of money... 336 00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:44,109 a loaded firearm... 337 00:24:49,489 --> 00:24:51,366 and a map of Cuba. 338 00:24:54,953 --> 00:24:57,288 There was also 339 00:24:58,498 --> 00:25:00,667 a very expensive latex mask. 340 00:25:04,504 --> 00:25:06,631 Jarecki: Did you ever have an opinion 341 00:25:06,715 --> 00:25:08,466 about what the mask was gonna be for? 342 00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:10,760 Did he ever express that? 343 00:25:11,636 --> 00:25:13,096 Um, do I have an opinion? 344 00:25:13,138 --> 00:25:15,849 The mask was gonna be used to disguise himself 345 00:25:15,932 --> 00:25:19,060 to flee the country, is what I believe. 346 00:25:20,103 --> 00:25:22,647 It was, it was, it was not Halloween. 347 00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:29,904 The plan was Bob was gonna take off for Cuba 348 00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:32,323 never to return. 349 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:42,834 And, of course, um 350 00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:45,170 that didn't happen. 351 00:25:53,845 --> 00:25:57,057 We all knew you were gonna flee at some point. 352 00:25:58,016 --> 00:26:00,685 I mean, I assume that you're not denying 353 00:26:00,769 --> 00:26:03,355 that you were in the process of fleeing. 354 00:26:03,396 --> 00:26:06,208 - I'm not denying I was in the process of... - Lewin: Yeah, that's right. 355 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:07,877 And I think the reason you're not doing it 356 00:26:07,901 --> 00:26:09,527 is you know it's obvious, 357 00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:11,821 so let me go another way. Why are you still here? 358 00:26:11,863 --> 00:26:15,575 How come you're not in Cuba? I don't get it. 359 00:26:15,658 --> 00:26:18,286 Durst: I had made arrangements. 360 00:26:18,370 --> 00:26:20,622 I had considered the possibility. 361 00:26:20,705 --> 00:26:24,376 I had looked here and looked there. 362 00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,045 But I had never really said, 363 00:26:27,128 --> 00:26:30,215 "You know what? They're gonna come after me. 364 00:26:30,298 --> 00:26:34,844 I've gotta get far away where they can't get me." 365 00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:38,723 I guess inertia. I just didn't really, 366 00:26:38,765 --> 00:26:41,226 really, really think 367 00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:43,937 that I was gonna end up arrested. 368 00:26:44,896 --> 00:26:48,400 Being a fugitive was, was not something I did well. 369 00:26:50,193 --> 00:26:52,278 Newscaster 1: Authorities arrested Robert Durst 370 00:26:52,362 --> 00:26:55,782 in New Orleans Saturday on a Los Angeles County warrant. 371 00:26:55,865 --> 00:26:57,659 Tonight, Robert Durst is behind bars, 372 00:26:57,742 --> 00:27:00,578 arrested overnight in the lobby of a New Orleans hotel, 373 00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:02,247 accused of killing a female friend 374 00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:04,332 in Los Angeles 15 years ago. 375 00:27:04,416 --> 00:27:07,627 The investigation got a boost thanks to new evidence revealed 376 00:27:07,711 --> 00:27:08,962 in a documentary series 377 00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:11,006 that Durst willingly participated in. 378 00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:16,594 newscaster 2: Last night's arrest 379 00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:19,431 comes just hours before tonight's finale. 380 00:27:19,514 --> 00:27:22,267 Newscaster 3: The director promises tonight's final installment 381 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:26,187 will answer questions people have been asking for decades. 382 00:27:28,273 --> 00:27:31,359 Bagli: That night after Bob's arrest, 383 00:27:31,443 --> 00:27:33,445 we all went to a screening 384 00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:35,488 for the families of the victims 385 00:27:35,572 --> 00:27:37,115 at your house 386 00:27:37,198 --> 00:27:39,659 for the last episode of "The Jinx." 387 00:27:41,953 --> 00:27:44,956 It was kind of like a meeting of an old club. 388 00:27:44,998 --> 00:27:48,168 You had investigators, prosecutors, 389 00:27:48,251 --> 00:27:49,878 you had witnesses, 390 00:27:49,961 --> 00:27:53,048 and then you had Kathie's family. 391 00:27:53,131 --> 00:27:56,593 Jim McCormack, his wife Sharon, and their daughter, 392 00:27:56,634 --> 00:28:00,055 who was the spitting image of Kathie. 393 00:28:00,138 --> 00:28:01,514 Jim McCormack: You gave us a call 394 00:28:01,598 --> 00:28:05,727 to screen the final episode of "The Jinx," the sixth episode. 395 00:28:05,769 --> 00:28:09,898 I knew that you had something special to show us. 396 00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:14,152 Bagli: Also, there was Jeanine Pirro, 397 00:28:14,194 --> 00:28:17,822 the former DA in Westchester County, 398 00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:19,282 and Cody Cazalas, 399 00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:23,078 the detective who had carried the case in Galveston. 400 00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:26,122 So there's dozens of people riveted 401 00:28:26,164 --> 00:28:29,042 by what's unfolding on the screen 402 00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:33,254 and what the final episode will reveal. 403 00:28:37,217 --> 00:28:40,512 Jeanine Pirro : Oh, God, the "B" is exactly the same. 404 00:28:42,222 --> 00:28:43,598 Son of a bitch. 405 00:28:51,564 --> 00:28:53,692 Jarecki : He actually told me he was in Madrid. 406 00:28:57,278 --> 00:28:59,698 Bagli: And as the episode progresses, 407 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:03,702 the room got quieter and quieter. 408 00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:05,412 Jarecki : So... 409 00:29:07,372 --> 00:29:10,917 So obviously, I wanna ask you about the Cadaver Note, 410 00:29:11,001 --> 00:29:13,128 the famous Cadaver Note. 411 00:29:13,211 --> 00:29:14,981 Can you read me the spelling of "Beverley Hills..." 412 00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:16,548 Durst: "Beverley Hills Police, 413 00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:18,883 1527 Benedict Canyon, Cadaver." 414 00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:22,846 Jarecki: So you wrote one of these, 415 00:29:22,887 --> 00:29:24,431 but you didn't write the other one. 416 00:29:24,514 --> 00:29:27,267 I wrote this one, but I did not write the Cadaver one. 417 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:29,537 Jarecki : And can you tell me which one you didn't write? 418 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:35,900 No. 419 00:29:37,736 --> 00:29:39,821 I am going to go use the restroom, 420 00:29:39,904 --> 00:29:41,656 which is right here... 421 00:29:42,741 --> 00:29:45,219 - Or maybe this is the bathroom? - Jarecki : Yeah, that's... 422 00:29:45,243 --> 00:29:47,829 Durst : You're right. This is the bathroom. 423 00:30:07,932 --> 00:30:10,560 Oh, my God! 424 00:30:12,062 --> 00:30:14,898 - Oh, honey. - Holy shit. 425 00:30:17,567 --> 00:30:20,737 guest 1: Oh, my God. 426 00:30:23,073 --> 00:30:24,407 guest 2: Oh, my God. 427 00:30:42,258 --> 00:30:45,929 McCormack: I heard it, and then it kinda settles in. 428 00:30:46,930 --> 00:30:48,324 You'd hate to use the word "closure" 429 00:30:48,348 --> 00:30:50,809 'cause we still had a long road to travel. 430 00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:54,312 But at least for that point in time, we finally had closure 431 00:30:54,396 --> 00:30:57,315 that he was finally admitting the truth. 432 00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:07,283 Oh, it's definitely a confession. I mean, right, Cody? 433 00:31:07,325 --> 00:31:09,327 - Yeah! Yeah! - They can use that? 434 00:31:09,411 --> 00:31:10,851 Jeanine Pirro: He wasn't in custody. 435 00:31:18,586 --> 00:31:21,673 guest 3: He wasn't in custody. It was not an interrogation. 436 00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:31,182 Bagli: And then, all of a sudden, it seems to be everywhere. 437 00:31:31,224 --> 00:31:32,904 Newscaster 1: Real estate heir Robert Durst 438 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:35,437 admitting to, quote, "killing them all." 439 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,189 Robert Durst said he "killed them all." 440 00:31:38,231 --> 00:31:40,942 They are the five words everyone is talking about this week. 441 00:31:41,026 --> 00:31:42,861 "Killed them all, of course." 442 00:31:42,902 --> 00:31:44,946 - Killed them all. - Killed them all. 443 00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:47,490 Newscaster 2: "Of course, I killed them all." 444 00:31:48,992 --> 00:31:51,137 Cody Cazalas: For the first time it came out of his mouth, 445 00:31:51,161 --> 00:31:54,247 what I have felt for a long time in my heart. 446 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:55,915 The revelation was like something 447 00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:58,501 we've been waiting for for 33 years. 448 00:31:58,543 --> 00:32:00,628 Well, they got him. 449 00:32:00,712 --> 00:32:02,130 Durst was arrested on Saturday, 450 00:32:02,213 --> 00:32:04,549 the day before the shocking finale 451 00:32:04,632 --> 00:32:06,301 of that documentary series. 452 00:32:10,722 --> 00:32:12,724 Lewin: You know, I've seen... 453 00:32:13,516 --> 00:32:16,686 I've seen all the interviews that you did with Andrew. 454 00:32:16,728 --> 00:32:19,856 Durst: For the whole long weekend 455 00:32:19,898 --> 00:32:23,026 - when I did the interviews for "The Jinx"... - Lewin: Yeah? 456 00:32:23,068 --> 00:32:25,028 Durst: I was on meth. 457 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:28,323 The whole time, I was on meth. 458 00:32:28,406 --> 00:32:30,700 And when I looked at the little pieces of it, 459 00:32:30,742 --> 00:32:32,994 I was like... 460 00:32:34,245 --> 00:32:36,206 Should have been obvious. 461 00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:38,833 Surprised my lawyer let me go ahead with it 462 00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:40,418 'cause it just... 463 00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:43,421 I looked like there was something going on. 464 00:32:43,505 --> 00:32:47,133 Lewin: Well, so Bob, 'cause before you go 465 00:32:47,217 --> 00:32:49,219 any further on that, 466 00:32:50,178 --> 00:32:51,930 certain things I know... 467 00:32:51,971 --> 00:32:53,473 And you seem like a straight shooter. 468 00:32:53,556 --> 00:32:56,351 I assume you would prefer that I be a straight shooter 469 00:32:56,434 --> 00:32:58,269 - and not a bullshitter, right? - Durst: Sure. 470 00:32:58,311 --> 00:33:00,063 Lewin: Okay, I'm a straight shooter. 471 00:33:00,105 --> 00:33:03,650 What you just told me is bullshit. 472 00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:05,193 Durst: I'm not trying to say 473 00:33:05,276 --> 00:33:07,946 that my answers were wrong. I'm just trying to say I was 474 00:33:07,987 --> 00:33:10,073 during the thing. 475 00:33:10,115 --> 00:33:13,076 I think that what I said 476 00:33:13,118 --> 00:33:18,081 were the correct answers to-to the questions. 477 00:33:18,123 --> 00:33:22,127 And, you know, there begins this conversation 478 00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:25,296 that sounds almost like a plea bargain. 479 00:33:25,755 --> 00:33:28,591 Lewin: Um, you know, it's-it's like I said before, 480 00:33:28,633 --> 00:33:31,720 - this is all voluntary. It's c... - Durst: No, I hear you, 481 00:33:31,803 --> 00:33:34,514 - and I have no problem with what you're saying. - Lewin: Okay. 482 00:33:34,597 --> 00:33:38,852 Durst: But, what's going through my mind is 483 00:33:38,935 --> 00:33:42,272 if I tell you what I know 484 00:33:42,313 --> 00:33:45,066 that answers your questions, 485 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:47,444 what can you possibly do for me? 486 00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:50,321 Lewin: Okay, let me... I-I'll... I can tell you, Bob... 487 00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:52,490 Durst: I'm very willing to talk to you. 488 00:33:52,574 --> 00:33:55,160 And as I said, I'm 72... 489 00:33:55,243 --> 00:33:58,747 Lewin: You know what I want, correct? 490 00:33:58,788 --> 00:34:00,957 Durst: Yes. You'd like some details 491 00:34:00,999 --> 00:34:03,501 - from me if I knew... - Lewin: Yes. 492 00:34:03,543 --> 00:34:05,545 Durst: About where Kathie's body is. 493 00:34:05,628 --> 00:34:08,380 Lewin: And about what happened to Susan. Those... 494 00:34:08,465 --> 00:34:10,568 - Durst: And about what happened with Susan. - Lewin: Okay. 495 00:34:10,592 --> 00:34:13,011 And-And you would agree that you're in the position, 496 00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:15,722 if you want, to tell me more than you have so far... 497 00:34:15,804 --> 00:34:18,850 Durst: About that, I'm not about to go that far. 498 00:34:18,891 --> 00:34:20,060 - Lewin: Okay. - Durst: But... 499 00:34:20,143 --> 00:34:21,369 Lewin: Well, but wait a minute. 500 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:22,771 What you're telling me though, 501 00:34:22,853 --> 00:34:25,690 then I wanna understand when you're saying, "Tell me what..." 502 00:34:25,774 --> 00:34:28,902 Durst: Well, you asked me what I thought you wanted to hear. 503 00:34:28,985 --> 00:34:31,071 I think what you wanted to hear, 504 00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:33,114 to make Ann McCormack happy is, 505 00:34:33,197 --> 00:34:35,074 "What did you do with Kathie?" 506 00:34:35,158 --> 00:34:36,451 Lewin: Right. 507 00:34:36,534 --> 00:34:40,038 Durst: And I think you want me to go through details 508 00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,916 - of, of Susan. - Lewin: I do. 509 00:34:42,998 --> 00:34:46,670 Durst: Okay, so now, what would I ask for? 510 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,339 - Lewin: Tell me. - Durst: If I tell you those things, 511 00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:52,300 - I'm plea-ing guilty. - Lewin: Okay. 512 00:34:52,384 --> 00:34:54,219 Durst: And I'm plea-ing guilty. 513 00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,804 I'm gonna be going back to Los Angeles, 514 00:34:56,888 --> 00:35:00,558 to California, and doing my time. 515 00:35:00,642 --> 00:35:02,227 Lewin: Well, now, I've got a question. 516 00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:03,978 Is there... So, for instance, 517 00:35:04,062 --> 00:35:05,647 something that, and I, and I, 518 00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:07,232 that I would have to see is, 519 00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:10,610 would it be better doing your time in a different place? 520 00:35:10,694 --> 00:35:12,862 - Are you better doing it... - Durst: Yes! Yes, yes. 521 00:35:12,904 --> 00:35:15,216 - That's just what we're getting to. - Lewin: Okay, tell me. 522 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,009 Durst: What could you do... Well, I don't know 523 00:35:17,033 --> 00:35:18,910 what the question is yet. 524 00:35:19,577 --> 00:35:22,956 And, and I will tell you that after New Orleans, 525 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,083 I was very annoyed 526 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,627 because I felt, at the end of that interview, 527 00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:30,422 that I was 10 minutes away from a confession. 528 00:35:31,256 --> 00:35:33,216 Durst: When we s 529 00:35:33,258 --> 00:35:35,927 sit down to do an agreement, 530 00:35:35,969 --> 00:35:37,512 and I would expect by Monday 531 00:35:37,595 --> 00:35:40,682 I will have chosen a lawyer in Los Angeles... 532 00:35:41,516 --> 00:35:43,768 Lewin: And over time, what I've realized is, 533 00:35:43,852 --> 00:35:47,313 and as a big football fan, 534 00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,941 I was down at the five-yard line. 535 00:35:50,442 --> 00:35:54,362 But, I was never going to get that confession. 536 00:35:54,446 --> 00:35:58,033 Durst: You see, I'm not about to-to-to say to you... 537 00:35:58,116 --> 00:35:59,716 - What is your name again? - Lewin: John. 538 00:35:59,784 --> 00:36:02,162 Durst: John. I'm not about to say to you, 539 00:36:02,245 --> 00:36:05,582 "John, this is it," without my lawyer being here. 540 00:36:05,623 --> 00:36:09,127 Lewin: Okay, okay. Well, listen, and that's, and that's your right. 541 00:36:09,169 --> 00:36:11,296 And you realize, "Oh, okay." 542 00:36:11,379 --> 00:36:13,298 "It wasn't that I was so great 543 00:36:13,381 --> 00:36:15,091 "getting down to the five-yard line. 544 00:36:15,175 --> 00:36:17,344 "It's that he really wasn't playing any defense, 545 00:36:17,427 --> 00:36:20,347 and he's not gonna let me get into the end zone." 546 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,475 So, are you willing to talk to me after court today? 547 00:36:23,558 --> 00:36:26,728 - Durst: Sure. - Lewin: Okay, alright. We'll head to court. 548 00:36:28,772 --> 00:36:32,233 And he said he would talk to me. And, of course, um, 549 00:36:33,443 --> 00:36:35,528 that didn't happen. 550 00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:50,168 So now, Bob was in custody in New Orleans. 551 00:36:53,004 --> 00:36:57,467 And who was the first person to fly down to New Orleans 552 00:36:57,509 --> 00:36:59,678 and visit Bob in jail? 553 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:04,182 Debrah Lee Charatan: Hi. 554 00:37:04,224 --> 00:37:07,352 - Hi. How ya doin'? - Durst: Hi. 555 00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:09,771 Doin' alright. How are you doing? 556 00:37:09,854 --> 00:37:10,939 I'm doing fine. 557 00:37:11,022 --> 00:37:13,942 I'm sorry this is the way they do visitation here. 558 00:37:14,984 --> 00:37:19,864 Debbie served as Bob's wife, 559 00:37:19,906 --> 00:37:22,325 confidante, and advisor. 560 00:37:22,367 --> 00:37:24,452 Durst: You see me in my jumper? 561 00:37:24,536 --> 00:37:25,912 Charatan: No, I can barely. 562 00:37:25,995 --> 00:37:28,164 Durst: Hold on a second. Let me stood up. 563 00:37:30,667 --> 00:37:32,711 Charatan: Okay, I see it. 564 00:37:34,212 --> 00:37:36,256 I see it. 565 00:37:36,339 --> 00:37:39,551 Ai-yai-yai. 566 00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:42,846 - You actually look pretty good. - Durst: Thank you. 567 00:37:42,887 --> 00:37:45,890 Your hair looks very bushy, by the way. 568 00:37:45,974 --> 00:37:48,184 Nah, it's just hair, you know? 569 00:37:48,226 --> 00:37:50,478 You know I have a lotta hair. 570 00:37:51,062 --> 00:37:52,731 Bagli: Bob got from Debbie 571 00:37:52,814 --> 00:37:56,735 a safe harbor, a place that he could always go 572 00:37:56,818 --> 00:37:59,404 where there were no questions asked. 573 00:37:59,446 --> 00:38:01,656 He had absolute trust in her. 574 00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:05,243 Durst: What I would like to do going forward, 575 00:38:05,285 --> 00:38:07,245 to pay my bills 576 00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:10,081 and spending the money on the legal defense, 577 00:38:10,123 --> 00:38:12,792 Sell the apartment complex, 578 00:38:12,876 --> 00:38:14,627 sell the two condos. 579 00:38:14,711 --> 00:38:17,756 Yeah, and I think you should keep your apartment in Houston. 580 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:20,842 And if you... I think the thing you should sell here 581 00:38:20,884 --> 00:38:22,761 is the apartment building. 582 00:38:22,844 --> 00:38:24,322 Durst: The real estate in the Hamptons, 583 00:38:24,346 --> 00:38:25,513 has that gone up much? 584 00:38:25,597 --> 00:38:28,475 - Is that way up? - Crazy. 585 00:38:28,558 --> 00:38:30,393 Durst: So if we have that today to sell, 586 00:38:30,435 --> 00:38:32,103 what would we ask for it? 587 00:38:32,187 --> 00:38:34,064 Um, I don't know. 588 00:38:34,105 --> 00:38:37,025 It's probably worth 20. 589 00:38:37,108 --> 00:38:38,943 Durst: Interesting. 590 00:38:42,113 --> 00:38:45,658 Bagli: So the second person to visit Bob in New Orleans 591 00:38:45,742 --> 00:38:47,702 might have been Dick DeGuerin, 592 00:38:47,786 --> 00:38:52,040 one of the same lawyers that got him off in Texas. 593 00:38:53,958 --> 00:38:55,460 Dick DeGuerin: Once Bob was arrested, 594 00:38:55,543 --> 00:38:58,463 I got to New Orleans as quickly as I could, 595 00:38:58,546 --> 00:39:01,174 which was about the next day. 596 00:39:01,257 --> 00:39:03,635 And that's when I first saw Bob. 597 00:39:05,762 --> 00:39:11,476 Bob saw my dedication to his defense in Galveston. 598 00:39:12,143 --> 00:39:15,814 Bob Durst is not guilty of murder. 599 00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:19,943 It's hard to argue with success. 600 00:39:21,152 --> 00:39:23,154 Will the defendant please rise? 601 00:39:23,613 --> 00:39:25,490 We, the jury, find the defendant, 602 00:39:25,532 --> 00:39:27,784 Robert Durst, not guilty. 603 00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:32,956 DeGuerin: Bob Durst didn't buy his way to freedom. 604 00:39:32,997 --> 00:39:35,417 It wasn't his money that influenced this-this jury. 605 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,211 It was the facts, or the lack of facts. 606 00:39:38,294 --> 00:39:41,548 I understand that you want Dick DeGuerin on your team. 607 00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:43,591 I don't blame you. 608 00:39:43,675 --> 00:39:46,553 He did wonderful things for you in the past. 609 00:39:47,804 --> 00:39:51,016 Bagli: Bob did have this infinite trust in DeGuerin. 610 00:39:52,183 --> 00:39:54,686 So, he authorized Dick 611 00:39:54,728 --> 00:39:57,731 to assemble a defense team. 612 00:39:58,982 --> 00:40:01,860 Dick DeGuerin reaches out to a friend, 613 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,738 David Chesnoff, 614 00:40:04,821 --> 00:40:08,867 a very prominent figure in Las Vegas. 615 00:40:11,369 --> 00:40:14,039 He is the go-to guy 616 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,374 for any celebrity, 617 00:40:16,458 --> 00:40:18,877 any professional athlete, 618 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,630 any bad guy that gets into trouble. 619 00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:27,052 He is very adept at making problems go away. 620 00:40:27,135 --> 00:40:29,679 Chesnoff's a brilliant lawyer. 621 00:40:29,721 --> 00:40:33,725 Uh, he's a strategically thinking lawyer. 622 00:40:33,808 --> 00:40:37,062 I've always been interested in fighting for the underdog. 623 00:40:37,145 --> 00:40:40,774 In the old days, if you were a celebrated person, 624 00:40:40,857 --> 00:40:41,900 you got breaks. 625 00:40:41,983 --> 00:40:44,527 Now, if you're a celebrated person, it's worse. 626 00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:48,239 The more famous you are, the tougher it is. 627 00:40:48,281 --> 00:40:49,574 It's like a populist thing, 628 00:40:49,657 --> 00:40:53,370 their chance to get even with the rich person. 629 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,082 DeGuerin: I think we had a hell of a team. 630 00:40:59,459 --> 00:41:03,088 We had one goal, and that was to defend Bob Durst. 631 00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:05,590 I met this David Chesner, 632 00:41:05,674 --> 00:41:08,051 and he seems very bright. 633 00:41:08,093 --> 00:41:12,806 I think the team that you have is great. 634 00:41:12,889 --> 00:41:15,809 Bagli: So, there are now prominent lawyers 635 00:41:15,892 --> 00:41:18,728 assembled for Bob's defense team. 636 00:41:39,457 --> 00:41:41,060 Jarecki: Were you also listening to his calls 637 00:41:41,084 --> 00:41:43,294 from prison at that point, from jail? 638 00:41:43,378 --> 00:41:46,047 When Bob got arrested in New Orleans, 639 00:41:46,131 --> 00:41:47,465 he made repeated calls. 640 00:41:47,507 --> 00:41:49,300 I listened to every call there. 641 00:41:49,342 --> 00:41:51,136 When he was in Louisiana, 642 00:41:51,219 --> 00:41:54,014 he was a nonstop talkfest. 643 00:42:05,775 --> 00:42:08,653 Bagli: From the moment Bob was arrested in New Orleans, 644 00:42:08,695 --> 00:42:11,322 he was reaching out to old friends, 645 00:42:11,364 --> 00:42:14,576 looking to see who can he rely on. 646 00:42:14,659 --> 00:42:17,787 He was seeking both emotional support 647 00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:20,290 and to see who would be on his side. 648 00:42:37,515 --> 00:42:40,894 Bagli: The people around Bob 649 00:42:40,977 --> 00:42:42,145 helped him, 650 00:42:42,187 --> 00:42:45,315 whether it was consciously or unconsciously, 651 00:42:45,357 --> 00:42:48,193 go on for so many years 652 00:42:48,276 --> 00:42:50,111 without consequence. 653 00:43:45,083 --> 00:43:49,254 I like to think that if a good friend of mine 654 00:43:49,295 --> 00:43:50,797 is suddenly implicated 655 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,844 in one, two, three murders 656 00:43:55,927 --> 00:43:59,097 that I would recoil from that. 657 00:43:59,139 --> 00:44:03,226 But, who knows until you're tested? 658 00:44:37,886 --> 00:44:39,721 ♪ You got to help me ♪ 659 00:44:41,014 --> 00:44:43,808 ♪ I can't do it all by myself ♪ 660 00:44:46,102 --> 00:44:48,313 ♪ You got to help me, baby ♪ 661 00:44:49,606 --> 00:44:52,067 ♪ I can't do it all by myself ♪ 662 00:44:54,819 --> 00:44:57,238 ♪ You know if you don't help me, darling ♪ 663 00:44:57,781 --> 00:45:00,992 ♪ I'll have to find myself somebody else ♪ 664 00:45:03,036 --> 00:45:05,121 ♪ I may have to wash ♪ 665 00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:07,665 ♪ May have to sew ♪ 666 00:45:07,707 --> 00:45:09,542 ♪ I may have to cook ♪ 667 00:45:09,626 --> 00:45:11,503 ♪ I might mop the floor ♪ 668 00:45:11,586 --> 00:45:14,381 ♪ But, you help me, babe ♪ 669 00:45:19,969 --> 00:45:22,263 ♪ You know if you don't help me, darling ♪ 670 00:45:22,972 --> 00:45:26,017 ♪ I'll find myself somebody else ♪ 671 00:45:54,337 --> 00:45:55,880 ♪ When I walk ♪ 672 00:45:55,922 --> 00:45:57,507 ♪ You walk with me ♪ 673 00:45:57,966 --> 00:45:59,759 ♪ And when I talk ♪ 674 00:45:59,843 --> 00:46:01,594 ♪ You talk to me ♪ 675 00:46:01,678 --> 00:46:03,471 ♪ Oh, babe ♪ 676 00:46:05,348 --> 00:46:08,059 ♪ I can't do it all by myself ♪ 677 00:46:10,437 --> 00:46:12,397 ♪ You know if you don't help me, darling ♪ 678 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,900 ♪ I'll have to find myself somebody else ♪ 679 00:46:18,236 --> 00:46:19,946 ♪ Help me, help me, darling ♪ 680 00:46:44,596 --> 00:46:46,264 ♪ Bring my nightshirt ♪ 681 00:46:47,766 --> 00:46:49,976 ♪ Put on your morning gown ♪ 682 00:46:52,437 --> 00:46:55,398 ♪ Darling, I know we sleep bare ♪ 683 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,277 ♪ But, I don't feel like lying down ♪ 684 00:47:00,111 --> 00:47:02,280 ♪ Oh yeah... ♪