1 00:00:27,601 --> 00:00:29,281 The programme you're about to watch 2 00:00:29,321 --> 00:00:33,041 is a unique live investigation of the supernatural. 3 00:00:33,081 --> 00:00:34,321 It contains material which 4 00:00:34,361 --> 00:00:37,801 some viewers may find to be disturbing. 5 00:00:38,441 --> 00:00:40,201 No creaking gates, 6 00:00:40,241 --> 00:00:42,321 no Gothic towers, no shutter windows, 7 00:00:42,361 --> 00:00:44,201 yet, for the past 10 months, 8 00:00:44,201 --> 00:00:47,201 this house has been the focus of an astonishing barrage 9 00:00:47,241 --> 00:00:50,601 of supernatural activity. 10 00:00:50,641 --> 00:00:54,961 This footage was shot by parapsychologists investigating the case. 11 00:00:55,001 --> 00:00:57,241 Now, you're about to see one of the incidents 12 00:00:57,281 --> 00:01:00,401 that have earned this house its reputation. 13 00:01:00,441 --> 00:01:02,840 - Let's see what you think. - I can't sleep. Turn the light off. 14 00:01:04,241 --> 00:01:05,601 Mum said if you don't... 15 00:01:07,601 --> 00:01:09,281 All right. All right. 16 00:01:47,841 --> 00:01:49,481 [BANGING] 17 00:01:50,081 --> 00:01:51,521 Mum. 18 00:01:51,561 --> 00:01:53,561 Mum. Mum! Mummy, 19 00:01:53,601 --> 00:01:55,241 it's back! It's back! 20 00:01:55,281 --> 00:01:56,961 - Mum! - Mum. 21 00:01:57,001 --> 00:01:58,441 Mum. Mum. 22 00:01:58,481 --> 00:02:00,121 - Help me. - [SCREAMING] 23 00:02:00,161 --> 00:02:03,241 - Help me. - Don't touch me! 24 00:02:03,281 --> 00:02:04,601 - [HIT ON THE DOOR] - Don't touch me. 25 00:02:04,641 --> 00:02:06,001 [SCREAMING] 26 00:02:07,081 --> 00:02:08,441 - Don't.. - [BOTH SCREAM] 27 00:02:08,481 --> 00:02:10,041 - Quickly! - Mum! Mum! 28 00:02:10,081 --> 00:02:11,561 - Mum. - Mum. 29 00:02:11,601 --> 00:02:12,601 [SCREAMING] 30 00:02:15,601 --> 00:02:17,601 [THEME MUSIC PLAYING] 31 00:03:00,561 --> 00:03:02,441 MICHAEL: So welcome live this Halloween night 32 00:03:02,481 --> 00:03:05,361 to the first ever TV Ghostwatch. 33 00:03:05,401 --> 00:03:07,601 That's the scene in Foxhill Drive in Northolt. 34 00:03:07,601 --> 00:03:08,841 They are outside broadcasting this 35 00:03:08,841 --> 00:03:10,121 and there, that's the house 36 00:03:10,161 --> 00:03:12,001 where it might all happen tonight 37 00:03:12,001 --> 00:03:14,041 or it might not. We shall see. 38 00:03:14,081 --> 00:03:15,841 We're going to investigate one of the most baffling 39 00:03:15,881 --> 00:03:17,961 and fascinating areas of human experience, 40 00:03:18,001 --> 00:03:19,281 the supernatural. 41 00:03:19,321 --> 00:03:21,841 Tonight, television is going ghost- hunting 42 00:03:21,881 --> 00:03:24,961 in an unprecedented scientific experiment, where we hope to show you 43 00:03:25,001 --> 00:03:27,201 for the first time irrefutable proof that 44 00:03:27,241 --> 00:03:29,841 ghosts really do exist. 45 00:03:29,841 --> 00:03:31,921 I'm joined in the studio by Dr Lin Pascoe 46 00:03:31,961 --> 00:03:34,401 to give her expert technical advice. 47 00:03:34,401 --> 00:03:37,321 Throughout the programme, I'll be taking other expert opinion 48 00:03:37,361 --> 00:03:40,561 about the supernatural from both here and America. 49 00:03:40,601 --> 00:03:43,320 You'll be telling us your ghost stories. 50 00:03:43,361 --> 00:03:46,441 And as our tale unfolds, we'll be taking your calls 51 00:03:46,481 --> 00:03:48,881 about just what you're seeing. 52 00:03:48,921 --> 00:03:50,961 Well, let's go to the main location of our programme, 53 00:03:51,001 --> 00:03:52,561 the house in Foxhill Drive. 54 00:03:52,601 --> 00:03:54,841 Craig Charles, a well- known ghost hunter, 55 00:03:54,841 --> 00:03:55,881 is our reporter. 56 00:03:55,921 --> 00:03:57,281 Craig, how are you? 57 00:03:58,081 --> 00:03:59,201 Hi, Michael. 58 00:03:59,241 --> 00:04:00,281 Yeah, I'm fine. 59 00:04:00,321 --> 00:04:02,121 I've taken the Valium, man. 60 00:04:02,161 --> 00:04:04,561 Later on, we're gonna be interviewing 61 00:04:04,601 --> 00:04:06,201 the medium who tried unsuccessfully 62 00:04:06,241 --> 00:04:08,441 to exorcise the house behind me. 63 00:04:08,481 --> 00:04:10,401 I wonder if he's heard from Elvis lately. 64 00:04:10,441 --> 00:04:13,161 All right, there. With me is Pam Early, the mum of the house. 65 00:04:13,201 --> 00:04:15,201 - Hello, Pam. - Hello. 66 00:04:15,241 --> 00:04:17,201 And she's gonna be taking us through the whole spine- tingling story. 67 00:04:17,241 --> 00:04:19,241 [HUMMING THE TWILIGHT ZONE THEME] 68 00:04:19,281 --> 00:04:21,601 And after that, you can share with us your own supernatural experience 69 00:04:21,601 --> 00:04:23,361 on our very own Halloween witch- board. 70 00:04:23,401 --> 00:04:24,881 I mean, switchboard. 71 00:04:24,921 --> 00:04:26,601 - Over to you Smithy. - MIKE: Thanks, Craig. 72 00:04:26,601 --> 00:04:28,001 We'll come back to you later on. 73 00:04:28,041 --> 00:04:29,401 All right, this part of the studio 74 00:04:29,441 --> 00:04:31,121 is your part of the studio 75 00:04:31,161 --> 00:04:33,401 this evening, because this is the phone number 76 00:04:33,441 --> 00:04:35,001 we'd like you to call us on. 77 00:04:35,041 --> 00:04:37,281 You can now see our Ghostwatch team are here 78 00:04:37,321 --> 00:04:38,481 ready to take your calls. 79 00:04:38,521 --> 00:04:40,081 We particularly want to hear from you 80 00:04:40,121 --> 00:04:42,040 if you've had any personal experiences 81 00:04:42,081 --> 00:04:44,601 of ghosts or the supernatural. Call us now. 82 00:04:44,601 --> 00:04:46,161 As a matter of fact, of course, Mike Smith 83 00:04:46,201 --> 00:04:47,601 has a very particular reason 84 00:04:47,601 --> 00:04:49,521 for keeping a beady eye on the proceedings tonight. 85 00:04:49,561 --> 00:04:52,081 - Michael. - Well, so would you, if your wife had just told you 86 00:04:52,121 --> 00:04:54,201 she was gonna spend the best part of her night 87 00:04:54,201 --> 00:04:56,121 in the most haunted house in Britain. 88 00:04:56,161 --> 00:04:58,201 Of course we're taking about Sarah Greene. 89 00:04:58,201 --> 00:05:00,401 And Sarah is our reporter who'll be spending the night, 90 00:05:00,441 --> 00:05:03,241 actually, inside our haunted house. 91 00:05:03,281 --> 00:05:05,041 She was very keen to do it, I understand, Mike. 92 00:05:05,081 --> 00:05:06,481 Oh, yeah, jumped at the chance. 93 00:05:06,521 --> 00:05:08,401 Actually, so did I, because 94 00:05:08,441 --> 00:05:11,561 we've both been interested in ghosts and that weird sort of stuff. 95 00:05:11,601 --> 00:05:13,321 And to be honest, I could never have 96 00:05:13,361 --> 00:05:15,201 sat at home tonight on my own and watched this programme. 97 00:05:15,241 --> 00:05:16,521 I'm safer here. 98 00:05:16,561 --> 00:05:18,161 MICHAEL: All right, Mike, thanks a lot. 99 00:05:18,201 --> 00:05:20,241 Now, confrontations, of course, with the supernatural, 100 00:05:20,281 --> 00:05:21,961 can be devastatingly real. 101 00:05:22,001 --> 00:05:23,841 Let's find out what effect they've had 102 00:05:23,881 --> 00:05:26,081 on Mrs Early and her family. 103 00:05:27,521 --> 00:05:30,841 So, how destructive has the haunting actually been? 104 00:05:30,881 --> 00:05:33,241 Mum kept on blaming us for breaking stuff. 105 00:05:33,281 --> 00:05:34,401 We weren't doing anything. 106 00:05:34,401 --> 00:05:37,481 I've lost track, really, I have. 107 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,280 Plates, teapots, cups, a broken tap, 108 00:05:41,321 --> 00:05:45,081 we got this thick smell, so disgusting, from the tap. 109 00:05:45,121 --> 00:05:49,361 And stains got on clothes from nowhere, out of thin air. 110 00:05:49,401 --> 00:05:52,601 - And in the central heating vent. - The man came, and... 111 00:05:52,641 --> 00:05:55,081 He couldn't understand it, he said it was impossible. 112 00:05:55,121 --> 00:05:56,841 Everybody said it was impossible. 113 00:05:56,841 --> 00:06:00,121 I said, "Great. You come and live with 'impossible'." 114 00:06:00,161 --> 00:06:02,401 So many things have happened... 115 00:06:02,401 --> 00:06:03,881 You start thinking... 116 00:06:04,641 --> 00:06:06,121 I don't know... 117 00:06:06,161 --> 00:06:07,601 Maybe you've done something wrong. 118 00:06:09,601 --> 00:06:13,521 It's wrecked my... My house, 119 00:06:13,561 --> 00:06:15,441 my home, my family... 120 00:06:16,321 --> 00:06:17,840 CRAIG: It's okay. 121 00:06:17,881 --> 00:06:19,281 Over to you, Michael. 122 00:06:21,601 --> 00:06:25,841 Dr Lin Pascoe, it's a disturbing interview, that, isn't it? 123 00:06:25,881 --> 00:06:30,161 You investigated the Northolt poltergeist for eight months, wasn't it? 124 00:06:30,201 --> 00:06:32,560 What can be done for people like Mrs Early? 125 00:06:32,601 --> 00:06:35,921 According to the evidence on that film, clearly she's shattered. 126 00:06:35,961 --> 00:06:38,201 Well, the first thing we can all do for a start is 127 00:06:38,201 --> 00:06:39,481 believe them. 128 00:06:39,521 --> 00:06:41,201 Well, it's not always that easy, is it? 129 00:06:41,241 --> 00:06:42,601 Yes, but you can see, 130 00:06:42,641 --> 00:06:45,321 it's obvious these people are desperate for help. 131 00:06:45,361 --> 00:06:47,121 Makes me so angry when you still get people out there 132 00:06:47,161 --> 00:06:49,161 denying that these things even happen. 133 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,440 All right, Dr Pascoe, for the moment, thank you very much indeed. 134 00:06:51,481 --> 00:06:54,001 Lin Pascoe will be giving her expert commentary 135 00:06:54,001 --> 00:06:55,401 right throughout the programme. 136 00:06:55,401 --> 00:06:57,081 And by the way, for those night owls amongst you, 137 00:06:57,121 --> 00:06:59,841 we'll be here with updates roughly every hour, 138 00:06:59,881 --> 00:07:01,601 right through the night. 139 00:07:01,641 --> 00:07:03,921 Well, now it's high time we met our intrepid ghost- watcher, 140 00:07:03,961 --> 00:07:05,841 Sarah Greene. 141 00:07:05,841 --> 00:07:08,081 First hospital watch, Sarah, now a ghost watch, big difference. 142 00:07:08,121 --> 00:07:10,601 Well, I suppose the truth is I love a mystery, 143 00:07:10,641 --> 00:07:13,481 and who knows, we may get to the bottom of this one. 144 00:07:13,521 --> 00:07:16,361 Actually, my own experience with things ghostly, 145 00:07:16,401 --> 00:07:19,121 albeit very brief, was so intriguing, 146 00:07:19,161 --> 00:07:22,241 I thought I might get the chance to learn a bit more tonight. 147 00:07:22,281 --> 00:07:23,481 Well, perhaps, we might get a chance 148 00:07:23,521 --> 00:07:25,121 to hear more of your story later on. 149 00:07:25,161 --> 00:07:27,921 Yeah, if we get an opportunity, I'd love to. 150 00:07:27,961 --> 00:07:31,201 Actually, Smithy was there when I had my encounter 151 00:07:31,201 --> 00:07:33,481 with what I think was a ghost. 152 00:07:33,521 --> 00:07:36,321 - But he wasn't quite as struck as me, there, were you... - Well, no. Well, yes. 153 00:07:36,361 --> 00:07:38,841 I mean, I think, this is the right environment so study these things. 154 00:07:38,841 --> 00:07:40,601 Yeah, that's why I get sent out here to the frontline 155 00:07:40,601 --> 00:07:44,841 and you stay all cosy and safe and sound in the studio, isn't it? 156 00:07:44,841 --> 00:07:47,361 Well, good luck, and I'll see you later. 157 00:07:47,401 --> 00:07:49,481 Now, before we go into the lion's den, 158 00:07:49,521 --> 00:07:51,881 I'd like to introduce you to Alan Demescu. 159 00:07:51,921 --> 00:07:53,841 He is an electronics engineer, 160 00:07:53,881 --> 00:07:57,481 and a member of the Society for Psychical Research. 161 00:07:57,521 --> 00:07:59,281 Now, Alan, we have a whole array 162 00:07:59,321 --> 00:08:01,201 of technology here with us. 163 00:08:01,241 --> 00:08:03,361 What are you hoping to discover tonight? 164 00:08:03,401 --> 00:08:06,000 Well, the paranormal covers a wide range of aspects, 165 00:08:06,041 --> 00:08:08,481 but tonight, we're concentrating on 166 00:08:08,521 --> 00:08:10,921 what we call, "Spontaneous cases." 167 00:08:10,961 --> 00:08:12,281 What are they exactly? 168 00:08:12,321 --> 00:08:15,001 Well, anything from inexplicable noises, 169 00:08:15,001 --> 00:08:16,921 footsteps, knocking, 170 00:08:16,961 --> 00:08:20,441 irrefutive voices, presences, the feeling of being watched, 171 00:08:20,481 --> 00:08:22,961 er, electrical interference, 172 00:08:23,001 --> 00:08:26,081 say, you know, your TV, lights, telephone... 173 00:08:26,121 --> 00:08:28,001 Right along at the far end of the spectrum 174 00:08:28,041 --> 00:08:30,961 to actual, full- blown visual apparitions. 175 00:08:31,001 --> 00:08:33,361 Now, we've got our own BBC scanner here 176 00:08:33,401 --> 00:08:35,321 but what are you using it for exactly? 177 00:08:35,361 --> 00:08:37,841 Well, we've got a remote video camera 178 00:08:37,881 --> 00:08:39,241 mounted in every room. 179 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:42,121 Erm... 180 00:08:44,401 --> 00:08:48,401 We have our image analysis equipment linked in, 181 00:08:48,441 --> 00:08:50,841 the tape is timecoded. 182 00:08:50,881 --> 00:08:53,041 And atmospheric condition and temperature 183 00:08:53,081 --> 00:08:56,201 are logged onscreen by sensors. 184 00:08:56,241 --> 00:08:58,121 Those are like the little burglar alarms 185 00:08:58,161 --> 00:08:59,241 - with the red lights. - Right. 186 00:08:59,281 --> 00:09:01,601 Except, they're triggered by cold 187 00:09:01,601 --> 00:09:03,201 instead of heat. 188 00:09:03,201 --> 00:09:07,121 Erm, intense cold spots are a secondary phenomenon. 189 00:09:07,161 --> 00:09:11,280 We also want to detect low and high frequencies. 190 00:09:11,321 --> 00:09:13,401 Basically, any aberration at all 191 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,240 could be a signal or a clue. 192 00:09:15,281 --> 00:09:17,241 Well, we hope you get lots of both of those. 193 00:09:17,281 --> 00:09:18,521 - We'll leave you to it, Alan. - Okay. 194 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,160 And, we'll go back outside 195 00:09:21,201 --> 00:09:24,121 where I'm going to be able to introduce you to 196 00:09:24,161 --> 00:09:27,081 two of the very important people 197 00:09:27,121 --> 00:09:29,321 who are at the frontline of this vigil, 198 00:09:29,361 --> 00:09:31,401 as psychical researchers call it. 199 00:09:31,401 --> 00:09:34,401 Now, the first person is actually standing right behind the camera, 200 00:09:34,441 --> 00:09:37,361 and if he hands over to me, you'll notice two things. 201 00:09:37,401 --> 00:09:38,841 First of all, 202 00:09:38,881 --> 00:09:40,961 that his hand is a lot steadier than mine, 203 00:09:41,001 --> 00:09:42,201 and secondly, that he bears 204 00:09:42,201 --> 00:09:44,241 a remarkable resemblance to Mike Gatting. 205 00:09:44,281 --> 00:09:46,401 Yes, you do. [LAUGHS] 206 00:09:46,401 --> 00:09:48,001 - Chris Miller. - Hi. 207 00:09:48,041 --> 00:09:51,081 SARAH: Now, Chris, does this camera differ in any way 208 00:09:51,121 --> 00:09:53,961 from the sort of camera you'd normally use on an outside broadcast? 209 00:09:54,001 --> 00:09:56,881 Well, it's a normal lightweight mobile camera, 210 00:09:56,921 --> 00:09:58,201 but in this case, it's been adapted 211 00:09:58,241 --> 00:10:00,201 so we can use infrared as well. 212 00:10:00,241 --> 00:10:01,361 - SARAH: Can we see how that works, Chris... - Yeah, sure. 213 00:10:01,401 --> 00:10:03,321 ...if I hand this back to you? 214 00:10:03,361 --> 00:10:05,081 SARAH: What's the best way to demonstrate it? 215 00:10:05,121 --> 00:10:06,961 CHRIS: Well, if we can kill the lights... 216 00:10:07,001 --> 00:10:09,921 SARAH: Okay, Clive, can we pop the lights down now? 217 00:10:15,081 --> 00:10:16,801 CHRIS: There you go. SARAH: Wow. How's that? 218 00:10:16,841 --> 00:10:18,081 - CHRIS: I can see you quite clearly now. - Oh, look. 219 00:10:18,121 --> 00:10:20,841 Yeah, so can I, on a monitor. 220 00:10:20,881 --> 00:10:22,241 I'm quite close to you though. 221 00:10:22,281 --> 00:10:25,040 I mean, what about the people down here? 222 00:10:25,081 --> 00:10:27,321 If we move down here... How fast can you move 223 00:10:27,361 --> 00:10:28,441 with that thing on your shoulder, actually? 224 00:10:28,481 --> 00:10:30,041 - Quite fast. - It's not bad. 225 00:10:30,081 --> 00:10:31,921 Who needs a Steadicam when you got Chris Miller? 226 00:10:31,961 --> 00:10:32,961 That's what I say. 227 00:10:33,641 --> 00:10:34,921 Oh, yes, there they are. 228 00:10:34,961 --> 00:10:36,001 CHRIS: There they all are. 229 00:10:36,001 --> 00:10:38,881 [SARAH LAUGHING] 230 00:10:38,921 --> 00:10:40,801 CHRIS: Somebody wants to get in the frame. 231 00:10:40,841 --> 00:10:43,121 SARAH: Funny, they can see what they look like. 232 00:10:43,161 --> 00:10:45,521 I'll tell you what though, this means for us, doesn't it, 233 00:10:45,561 --> 00:10:48,441 that nothing can lurk in the shadows. 234 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:49,601 CHRIS: That's right, there's no hiding place. 235 00:10:49,641 --> 00:10:51,281 Absolutely. 236 00:10:51,321 --> 00:10:52,921 Erm, right, let's have the lights back up again then. 237 00:10:57,481 --> 00:10:59,041 Okay, now, we've got our vision back. 238 00:10:59,081 --> 00:11:01,201 I think it's time to meet sound. 239 00:11:01,201 --> 00:11:03,521 Man of sound mind here, Mike Aiton. 240 00:11:03,561 --> 00:11:05,081 Not only can this gentleman hear 241 00:11:05,121 --> 00:11:08,001 an ant scratching its back legs at 50 yards, 242 00:11:08,001 --> 00:11:09,561 he's also the unofficial chairman 243 00:11:09,601 --> 00:11:11,401 of the Adrian Edmonson Lookalike Society. 244 00:11:12,201 --> 00:11:13,561 Right on. 245 00:11:13,601 --> 00:11:14,881 SARAH: So, if you're not scared of ghosts, 246 00:11:14,921 --> 00:11:16,561 you're scared of that. 247 00:11:16,601 --> 00:11:17,921 How are you feeling about tonight? 248 00:11:17,961 --> 00:11:19,001 Are you a bit nervous at all? 249 00:11:19,041 --> 00:11:20,401 We will see. 250 00:11:20,441 --> 00:11:21,881 Erm, how about you, Chris? 251 00:11:21,921 --> 00:11:23,401 I'm okay. 252 00:11:23,401 --> 00:11:25,201 - Are you ready to go in then? - Yeah. 253 00:11:25,201 --> 00:11:26,560 Okay. Well, we'll see you later. 254 00:11:28,001 --> 00:11:29,201 And... [CHUCKLES] 255 00:11:29,201 --> 00:11:30,441 [ALL CLAPPING] 256 00:11:30,481 --> 00:11:33,241 It's time to go once more into the breach. 257 00:11:33,281 --> 00:11:34,601 - Do I have to go first? - CHRIS: After you. 258 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,520 Yeah, typical. Come on then, chaps. 259 00:11:37,601 --> 00:11:38,600 Hello? 260 00:11:40,841 --> 00:11:42,321 Here we are. 261 00:11:42,361 --> 00:11:44,481 Hi, Pam. Now, oh, look here we are. 262 00:11:44,521 --> 00:11:47,201 This is the burglar alarm that 263 00:11:47,241 --> 00:11:49,841 Alan Demescu was talking about. 264 00:11:49,881 --> 00:11:51,441 Can we make ourselves at home? 265 00:11:53,481 --> 00:11:55,601 Kim, Suzanne. 266 00:11:55,641 --> 00:11:58,921 Can I join you for a bit of apple bobbing, do you think? 267 00:11:58,961 --> 00:12:01,881 Well, we'll let Sarah and her jolly team 268 00:12:01,921 --> 00:12:03,601 settle down there for the night. 269 00:12:03,601 --> 00:12:05,841 I wonder if they'll remain as jolly as that 270 00:12:05,841 --> 00:12:07,841 all evening. We shall find out. 271 00:12:07,881 --> 00:12:09,441 Er, Dr Pascoe, let me ask you, 272 00:12:09,481 --> 00:12:10,921 why did you first of all... 273 00:12:10,961 --> 00:12:14,041 Why did you choose that particular house? 274 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:17,401 Well, it was a decision we made over many weeks really. 275 00:12:17,441 --> 00:12:19,961 What happened is that 276 00:12:20,001 --> 00:12:21,201 we ran a computer programme 277 00:12:21,241 --> 00:12:24,041 of all the haunted locations in the UK, 278 00:12:24,081 --> 00:12:27,241 and then we did a census of all the various investigators, 279 00:12:27,281 --> 00:12:29,001 and they were all unanimous that 280 00:12:29,001 --> 00:12:33,441 Foxhill had more tangible phenomena on record than... 281 00:12:33,481 --> 00:12:35,201 I was gonna say any place in the world, 282 00:12:35,241 --> 00:12:37,241 but certainly any place in the UK. 283 00:12:37,281 --> 00:12:40,041 We'll see evidence of that, of course, later on in the programme. 284 00:12:40,081 --> 00:12:42,601 What's the chance, do you think, of us seeing anything tonight? 285 00:12:43,641 --> 00:12:46,601 I don't honestly know. 286 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:48,201 Sometimes we saw nothing for weeks, 287 00:12:48,241 --> 00:12:50,961 and then, other times things were coming through 288 00:12:51,001 --> 00:12:53,201 thick and fast, I mean, so much so that 289 00:12:53,201 --> 00:12:54,401 we had difficulty logging it all. 290 00:12:54,441 --> 00:12:56,841 I mean, some nights it was like, er... 291 00:12:56,881 --> 00:12:59,081 [EXHALES] Being in a circus or a war zone or something. 292 00:12:59,121 --> 00:13:00,961 - "A war zone"? - It was that bad. 293 00:13:01,001 --> 00:13:02,320 What about Halloween? 294 00:13:02,361 --> 00:13:03,321 Will that make any difference, do you think? 295 00:13:03,361 --> 00:13:05,281 Yeah, I think it will. 296 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,520 Certainly, there were more reports on Halloween 297 00:13:07,561 --> 00:13:09,121 than almost any other night of the year. 298 00:13:09,161 --> 00:13:13,241 But maybe that's because people expect to see things. 299 00:13:13,281 --> 00:13:15,881 - I'm taking out no bets. I'm hopeful. - [CHUCKLES] 300 00:13:15,921 --> 00:13:17,321 All right. Yes, we're all hopeful. 301 00:13:17,361 --> 00:13:18,601 Let's take a phone call. 302 00:13:18,641 --> 00:13:20,841 Mike Smith, what you got for us? 303 00:13:20,841 --> 00:13:23,121 This is Emma Stableford, and she's from Slough. 304 00:13:24,201 --> 00:13:26,001 Thank you. Emma? Emma, hello. 305 00:13:26,041 --> 00:13:27,280 - EMMA: [ON PHONE] Hello? - Yeah. 306 00:13:27,321 --> 00:13:29,321 EMMA: [ON PHONE] I did have a story, 307 00:13:29,361 --> 00:13:32,161 but there's actually something else I'd like to say to Dr Pascoe. 308 00:13:32,201 --> 00:13:34,401 - MICHAEL: Go on. - EMMA: [ON PHONE] But I feel a bit foolish. 309 00:13:34,401 --> 00:13:36,081 Oh, don't worry about that, Emma. 310 00:13:36,121 --> 00:13:37,520 Never worries me. 311 00:13:37,561 --> 00:13:39,001 EMMA: [ON PHONE] Well, you know, at the beginning 312 00:13:39,001 --> 00:13:42,520 when you showed the real footage of that haunted bedroom? 313 00:13:42,561 --> 00:13:44,201 Well, I know it was dark, 314 00:13:44,241 --> 00:13:46,561 but I was sure I could see a figure standing behind 315 00:13:46,601 --> 00:13:49,521 against the wall, just by the curtain. 316 00:13:49,561 --> 00:13:52,001 Very, very faint, but definitely a figure there. 317 00:13:53,241 --> 00:13:54,401 A woman. 318 00:13:54,401 --> 00:13:56,401 A person's body, at least. 319 00:13:56,441 --> 00:13:59,161 Standing there in a black dress. 320 00:13:59,201 --> 00:14:02,601 Emma, I've examined that particular piece of film 321 00:14:02,641 --> 00:14:04,201 many times and so I'm not sure... 322 00:14:04,201 --> 00:14:05,321 MICHAEL: I'll tell you what to do, Emma, 323 00:14:05,361 --> 00:14:06,841 if you can actually spot up 324 00:14:06,881 --> 00:14:08,481 the specific point on that tape 325 00:14:08,521 --> 00:14:11,001 where you saw this figure... 326 00:14:11,001 --> 00:14:12,841 Tell one of our operators, 327 00:14:12,881 --> 00:14:14,841 we'll actually spool it back to the point where you tell us, 328 00:14:14,881 --> 00:14:16,241 and then I'll get Dr Pascoe here 329 00:14:16,281 --> 00:14:17,921 to have a good look at it. Okay? 330 00:14:17,961 --> 00:14:19,081 - Great. - EMMA: [ON PHONE] Yeah. 331 00:14:19,121 --> 00:14:20,441 All right. Thanks for calling. 332 00:14:20,481 --> 00:14:22,321 Before you go, Emma, 333 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:24,321 could you give a full description of what you thought you saw 334 00:14:24,361 --> 00:14:26,521 to somebody manning the phones please? Can you do that? 335 00:14:26,561 --> 00:14:28,240 - EMMA: [ON PHONE] Yeah, I will. - Great. 336 00:14:28,281 --> 00:14:29,601 - MICHAEL: Okay, Emma, thanks a lot. - Thank you. 337 00:14:29,601 --> 00:14:30,561 - Bye- bye. Bye- bye. - EMMA: [ON PHONE] Bye. 338 00:14:30,601 --> 00:14:31,881 I tell you what we'll do. 339 00:14:31,921 --> 00:14:34,361 While we search for that piece of tape, 340 00:14:34,401 --> 00:14:37,201 let's find out what Sarah's up to. 341 00:14:37,201 --> 00:14:38,601 MIKE: Sarah, did you hear that? 342 00:14:38,641 --> 00:14:42,001 Somebody thinks they've seen a presence in the house. 343 00:14:42,041 --> 00:14:43,881 - Today? - MIKE: You've not noticed anything this evening, 344 00:14:43,921 --> 00:14:46,161 - have you? - No, nothing to report from here yet, 345 00:14:46,201 --> 00:14:48,561 except how absolutely useless I am at apple- bobbing. 346 00:14:48,601 --> 00:14:50,921 Come on, girls. Yes, you've done it, I can see. 347 00:14:50,961 --> 00:14:52,401 [KNOCKING] 348 00:14:52,401 --> 00:14:54,041 - Who's that? - [KNOCKING] 349 00:14:56,201 --> 00:14:57,241 Can you hear that? 350 00:14:59,561 --> 00:15:00,601 Can you hear this? 351 00:15:00,641 --> 00:15:01,841 Are you hearing... 352 00:15:01,881 --> 00:15:03,201 [KNOCKING] 353 00:15:03,201 --> 00:15:04,401 It's coming from in... 354 00:15:05,641 --> 00:15:07,361 - [GROWLING] - [SCREAMING] 355 00:15:09,001 --> 00:15:10,080 You... 356 00:15:10,121 --> 00:15:11,840 [ALL LAUGHING] 357 00:15:11,881 --> 00:15:16,241 You are a complete and utter beast. 358 00:15:16,281 --> 00:15:19,600 "Beast"? I got it! Look at that. It's worse than Mike Smith, isn't it? 359 00:15:19,601 --> 00:15:21,081 I don't know though. 360 00:15:21,121 --> 00:15:22,481 Is it your idea, this, Smithy? You set this up? 361 00:15:22,521 --> 00:15:24,161 Well, I had a bet with your husband, 362 00:15:24,201 --> 00:15:25,881 I could get a four- letter- word uttered on television, 363 00:15:25,921 --> 00:15:29,441 I nearly did, as well. It was "beast". B- E- A- S- T. Beast. 364 00:15:29,481 --> 00:15:31,040 You're a class act. 365 00:15:31,081 --> 00:15:33,241 I think that is such a cheap shot, I have to say. 366 00:15:33,281 --> 00:15:35,001 I mean, you know, I can take a joke with the best of them, 367 00:15:35,041 --> 00:15:36,961 but we're all holed up in here... 368 00:15:37,001 --> 00:15:38,481 Well, I'm sorry if I'm being insensitive, but it is my brief. 369 00:15:38,521 --> 00:15:39,961 They said, "Craig, come along, be insensitive." 370 00:15:40,001 --> 00:15:41,601 Can you just get out of the way a minute? 371 00:15:41,641 --> 00:15:43,201 - You're in the middle of my close- up. - Oh, with pleasure. 372 00:15:43,201 --> 00:15:44,921 They were in on it. They were in on it. 373 00:15:44,961 --> 00:15:47,201 - Give me an apple. Give me an apple. - You were? 374 00:15:47,241 --> 00:15:48,841 Sorry, chaps, I love you all, 375 00:15:48,841 --> 00:15:50,361 if there's any ghosts, keep them to yourselves. 376 00:15:50,401 --> 00:15:53,841 - SARAH: Love us and leave us, go on. - I love you. 377 00:15:53,881 --> 00:15:56,041 You needn't smirk, Mike Smith, you were in on this. 378 00:15:56,081 --> 00:15:57,361 I think you're in a certain amount of trouble 379 00:15:57,401 --> 00:16:00,401 with her indoors for that little situation. 380 00:16:00,441 --> 00:16:03,601 I'm sorry there, Doctor. Our producer, in fact, created a happening in the house 381 00:16:03,601 --> 00:16:06,561 just in case we were on a wild ghost hunt, so to speak. 382 00:16:06,601 --> 00:16:08,841 - DR PASCOE: We aren't, I promise you. - All right. 383 00:16:08,881 --> 00:16:10,841 Well, let's go back to Sarah now. 384 00:16:10,881 --> 00:16:13,521 Sarah, when you're ready let's hear the real story, 385 00:16:13,561 --> 00:16:15,521 the strange happenings at Foxhill Drive. 386 00:16:15,561 --> 00:16:18,600 And by the way, have you got over your shock yet? 387 00:16:18,641 --> 00:16:21,521 Yes, I have recovered now, thank you, Michael. 388 00:16:21,561 --> 00:16:24,481 Let me fill you in on what's been happening here so far. 389 00:16:24,521 --> 00:16:26,161 Let's face it, there's violence 390 00:16:26,201 --> 00:16:29,081 at some time or another in every part of London, 391 00:16:29,121 --> 00:16:31,241 and this estate is no exception. 392 00:16:31,281 --> 00:16:33,841 But there are some days, and certainly nights 393 00:16:33,841 --> 00:16:35,121 when Mrs Early and her two daughters 394 00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:36,841 would rather be out on the street 395 00:16:36,841 --> 00:16:39,041 than right here, within their own four walls. 396 00:16:39,081 --> 00:16:40,201 Let's go upstairs for a moment. 397 00:16:45,521 --> 00:16:50,321 It all began in here on December the 28th, 1991. 398 00:16:50,361 --> 00:16:53,241 Who was the first person to experience something? 399 00:16:53,281 --> 00:16:54,321 Suzanne. 400 00:16:54,361 --> 00:16:56,441 We had a bit of an argument 401 00:16:56,481 --> 00:17:00,001 because Suzanne wanted to stay up and watch some film and I wouldn't let her. 402 00:17:00,041 --> 00:17:02,201 - Go on, Suze, you say what happened. - No, you say. 403 00:17:03,961 --> 00:17:05,161 She went to bed about, 404 00:17:05,201 --> 00:17:06,841 - Erm... - I was in bed. 405 00:17:06,841 --> 00:17:08,241 Mum came in to tuck me in, 406 00:17:08,281 --> 00:17:11,080 instead she just stood by the bed, looking at me. 407 00:17:11,121 --> 00:17:12,921 At least I thought it was her. 408 00:17:12,961 --> 00:17:14,601 And then she just turned and went. 409 00:17:14,601 --> 00:17:16,321 The thing is, I didn't tuck them in that night. 410 00:17:16,361 --> 00:17:18,041 I always do, 411 00:17:18,081 --> 00:17:21,121 but that night I fell asleep in front of the television. 412 00:17:21,161 --> 00:17:23,441 I told her she must have been dreaming. 413 00:17:23,481 --> 00:17:25,921 Then a few days later, it was my room. 414 00:17:25,961 --> 00:17:26,961 SARAH: Should we go and have a look? 415 00:17:38,561 --> 00:17:40,201 A few days later, 416 00:17:40,201 --> 00:17:42,401 these terrible noises woke me coming from the walls 417 00:17:42,441 --> 00:17:44,601 like a bat, like a thudding. 418 00:17:44,601 --> 00:17:46,121 All around you? 419 00:17:46,161 --> 00:17:48,241 Yes, like the whole room was going to come apart. 420 00:17:51,321 --> 00:17:53,001 Did anybody else hear it? 421 00:17:53,041 --> 00:17:55,361 Yes, Suzanne and Kim heard it. 422 00:17:55,401 --> 00:17:58,281 Kimmy, if you heard it too, 423 00:17:58,321 --> 00:18:00,321 what sort of a noise was it? 424 00:18:01,641 --> 00:18:03,841 [HITTING THE FLOOR] 425 00:18:05,281 --> 00:18:06,921 We were screaming, I was shouting, 426 00:18:06,961 --> 00:18:09,081 "What is it? What is it?" 427 00:18:09,121 --> 00:18:11,201 Well, I didn't know what to say, they were that terrified. 428 00:18:11,201 --> 00:18:13,881 So, I said it was pipes. 429 00:18:13,921 --> 00:18:16,001 You know, the central heating. 430 00:18:16,001 --> 00:18:17,961 So, afterwards, whenever Kim heard something 431 00:18:18,001 --> 00:18:20,961 she'd say, "It's Pipes. Pipes is here." 432 00:18:21,001 --> 00:18:25,401 SARAH: So by this time, Kim, you could actually feel something as well, could you? 433 00:18:25,441 --> 00:18:27,040 Whereabouts was it coming from? 434 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,840 There. 435 00:18:28,881 --> 00:18:30,361 SARAH: What is it that's over there? 436 00:18:30,401 --> 00:18:32,841 Pipes, that's where he hides. 437 00:18:32,881 --> 00:18:33,881 SARAH: Does he live there? 438 00:18:35,321 --> 00:18:37,521 Where does he live then? Anywhere? 439 00:18:37,561 --> 00:18:38,561 On the stairs. 440 00:18:51,641 --> 00:18:54,161 SARAH: Kim, how do you know he lives down there? 441 00:18:54,201 --> 00:18:55,521 Because I saw him through the crack. 442 00:18:58,281 --> 00:19:01,201 He was there. He was staring at me. 443 00:19:01,201 --> 00:19:03,441 SARAH: What happened after you saw him? 444 00:19:04,561 --> 00:19:06,241 I drew a picture of him. 445 00:19:06,281 --> 00:19:08,321 - SARAH: Have you kept it? - Yeah. 446 00:19:08,361 --> 00:19:09,561 - SARAH: Can we have a look? - Yeah. 447 00:19:20,361 --> 00:19:21,401 Let's have a look. 448 00:19:25,161 --> 00:19:27,401 Was that exactly how he looked when you saw him? 449 00:19:27,441 --> 00:19:28,881 KIM: Yeah, he was disgusting. 450 00:19:29,921 --> 00:19:31,241 Really disgusting. 451 00:19:32,481 --> 00:19:34,841 It's a good picture. Yeah. 452 00:19:34,841 --> 00:19:36,840 No. [WHISPERING] Keep it. It's a present. 453 00:19:36,881 --> 00:19:39,001 Oh, thank you very much. 454 00:19:39,041 --> 00:19:42,281 I'll tell you what, why don't we put it up somewhere where everyone can see it? 455 00:19:42,321 --> 00:19:44,041 - Yeah. - Where's a good place? 456 00:19:45,081 --> 00:19:46,360 On the fridge in the kitchen. 457 00:19:46,401 --> 00:19:47,401 - On the fridge? - KIM: Yeah. 458 00:19:52,841 --> 00:19:54,401 SARAH: There we go. 459 00:19:54,401 --> 00:19:56,081 Will it be all right putting him up there, do you think? 460 00:19:56,121 --> 00:19:58,321 Yeah, because he likes everything freezing 461 00:19:58,361 --> 00:20:00,401 and really cold. 462 00:20:00,441 --> 00:20:02,441 Pam, there was something else, wasn't there? 463 00:20:02,481 --> 00:20:03,561 Yes, there's also this. 464 00:20:06,481 --> 00:20:09,441 Once I looked in Suzie's exercise book from school. 465 00:20:14,881 --> 00:20:16,401 SARAH: Oh. PAMELA: I was so shocked, 466 00:20:16,401 --> 00:20:18,561 I said to her, "Did you write this?" 467 00:20:18,601 --> 00:20:21,481 I was going to hit her, I was so mad. 468 00:20:21,521 --> 00:20:24,121 But it wasn't me. I don't even write like that. 469 00:20:24,161 --> 00:20:25,961 Then I said to her, "Who was it, then? 470 00:20:26,001 --> 00:20:27,601 - "Who was it?" - SARAH: Yeah. 471 00:20:27,601 --> 00:20:29,801 Who or what? 472 00:20:30,441 --> 00:20:31,441 Michael. 473 00:20:33,921 --> 00:20:36,561 Lots of questions there that need answering, 474 00:20:36,601 --> 00:20:40,121 perhaps we'll have a chance to answer some of them tonight. 475 00:20:40,161 --> 00:20:42,801 Just actually hearing in my earpiece that 476 00:20:42,841 --> 00:20:44,121 Mike Smith has some news. 477 00:20:44,161 --> 00:20:45,201 Mike, what's happening? 478 00:20:45,201 --> 00:20:46,921 Thanks very much. Thank you. 479 00:20:46,961 --> 00:20:49,481 I've got eight or nine phone calls here 480 00:20:49,521 --> 00:20:50,801 which are like Emma Stableford's 481 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,120 we had earlier on. 482 00:20:52,161 --> 00:20:55,561 They too have seen a mysterious dark figure 483 00:20:55,601 --> 00:20:59,081 in the background of that shot in the children's bedroom. Michael? 484 00:20:59,121 --> 00:21:00,961 "Dark, mysterious figure," Doctor. 485 00:21:01,001 --> 00:21:03,001 Have we got that sequence ready yet? 486 00:21:03,041 --> 00:21:04,401 - Yes. - Can we see that tape? 487 00:21:04,401 --> 00:21:05,521 Yeah, I think we can. I think we can see it 488 00:21:05,561 --> 00:21:07,321 right now. Let's roll the tape. 489 00:21:07,361 --> 00:21:08,841 There you are, up there on the screen, 490 00:21:08,841 --> 00:21:10,401 that's the tape you wanted, isn't it? 491 00:21:10,441 --> 00:21:12,401 I can't sleep. Turn the light off. 492 00:21:13,841 --> 00:21:14,960 Mum said if you don't... 493 00:21:17,041 --> 00:21:18,600 All right. All right. 494 00:21:18,641 --> 00:21:20,561 MICHAEL: Now, this is the point where Emma Stableford, 495 00:21:20,601 --> 00:21:23,841 our caller, said she could identify that dark mysterious figure 496 00:21:23,841 --> 00:21:25,560 in the corner of the room. 497 00:21:25,601 --> 00:21:27,001 I don't see anything myself, do you? 498 00:21:28,361 --> 00:21:30,001 DR PASCOE: Can we rewind it? MICHAEL: Sure. 499 00:21:30,001 --> 00:21:32,281 - Let's rewind it. - Can we play it again? 500 00:21:32,321 --> 00:21:34,481 Can we play it back, BTL? There you are. 501 00:21:34,521 --> 00:21:35,521 Back a bit more. 502 00:21:37,201 --> 00:21:40,001 - Yeah. Is that all right? - Yeah. 503 00:21:40,041 --> 00:21:42,001 - Can we go forward slowly? - Sure, sure. 504 00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:43,441 MICHAEL: All right. I'm doing that now. 505 00:21:45,481 --> 00:21:46,841 - That's slow enough? - Uh- huh. 506 00:21:55,201 --> 00:21:59,041 I can't see anything now myself. False alarm? 507 00:21:59,081 --> 00:22:00,481 Yeah, I think I can see what's happened. 508 00:22:00,521 --> 00:22:04,081 Do you see the shadow cast by the curtain there? 509 00:22:04,121 --> 00:22:06,480 - See on the curtain, on the left- hand side. - MICHAEL: Not really. 510 00:22:06,521 --> 00:22:08,601 I tell you what we'll do. We've got a piece of, 511 00:22:08,641 --> 00:22:11,361 I don't know... Wheel that piece of sophisticated 512 00:22:11,401 --> 00:22:13,040 technology in here. 513 00:22:13,081 --> 00:22:15,881 You can actually use a light pencil on the screen there 514 00:22:15,921 --> 00:22:19,281 just to identify exactly the area that you're talking about. 515 00:22:19,321 --> 00:22:21,001 - Is this it? - Yes, that's right. 516 00:22:21,001 --> 00:22:23,000 Just draw on it as you would a normal pencil. 517 00:22:23,041 --> 00:22:24,961 DR PASCOE: All right, I think... 518 00:22:25,001 --> 00:22:27,241 There's a sort of shape there a face maybe, 519 00:22:27,281 --> 00:22:30,841 and a human form 520 00:22:30,881 --> 00:22:32,841 I think the shadow's caused. 521 00:22:32,841 --> 00:22:35,841 I wonder if it's that thing, you know, where you put your... 522 00:22:35,881 --> 00:22:38,241 Your dressing gown on the back of the bedroom door. 523 00:22:38,281 --> 00:22:40,561 At a certain light, you look at it in the middle of the night 524 00:22:40,601 --> 00:22:42,361 and it looks like a human form or face. 525 00:22:42,401 --> 00:22:43,601 I mean, it's easily done, isn't it? 526 00:22:43,641 --> 00:22:46,041 I think that's it. Exactly. 527 00:22:46,081 --> 00:22:48,121 - "Faces in the fire." - Yes. 528 00:22:48,161 --> 00:22:49,441 Human perception is such that 529 00:22:49,481 --> 00:22:50,961 the first thing you attempt to create 530 00:22:51,001 --> 00:22:54,441 in any abstract shape is a human face or form. 531 00:22:54,481 --> 00:22:56,081 Okay. 532 00:22:56,121 --> 00:22:58,561 All right, then, well, I'm sorry to disappoint you, 533 00:22:58,601 --> 00:23:00,201 but I'll tell you what we'll do, 534 00:23:00,241 --> 00:23:02,241 let's go back over to Foxhill Drive 535 00:23:02,281 --> 00:23:04,841 and learn about the toll that living there 536 00:23:04,881 --> 00:23:07,961 has taken on the children's mother, Pamela Early. 537 00:23:09,921 --> 00:23:12,561 SARAH: Pam, I know this has all been a nightmare for you. 538 00:23:12,601 --> 00:23:15,241 But what's been the worst moment so far, do you think? 539 00:23:17,201 --> 00:23:18,241 I'll show you. 540 00:23:22,641 --> 00:23:24,440 I've got to get this done properly. 541 00:23:25,601 --> 00:23:27,841 My husband... My ex- husband 542 00:23:27,881 --> 00:23:31,161 used to develop his own photos in a darkroom under the stairs. 543 00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:33,521 A "glory hole", as we used to call it when I was a kid. 544 00:23:33,561 --> 00:23:35,961 Why have you boarded it up like this then? 545 00:23:36,001 --> 00:23:40,401 PAMELA: Well... [SIGHS] One night last January 546 00:23:40,441 --> 00:23:42,601 I got it into my head 547 00:23:42,601 --> 00:23:44,361 to try and find one of my letter... 548 00:23:44,401 --> 00:23:48,001 The solicitor's letters about my divorce. 549 00:23:48,001 --> 00:23:50,841 Erm, all of a sudden, the door stuck. 550 00:23:52,601 --> 00:23:55,241 Like somebody was trying and pushing it from outside. 551 00:23:55,281 --> 00:23:57,081 SARAH: You were inside by this time? 552 00:23:58,841 --> 00:24:00,481 Yeah. 553 00:24:00,521 --> 00:24:02,921 I shoved, I tried to get out, 554 00:24:04,001 --> 00:24:05,921 and then I started to panic. 555 00:24:05,961 --> 00:24:08,841 It was like a coffin, I couldn't breathe. 556 00:24:08,881 --> 00:24:11,601 I started screaming for Kimmy and Suzie, 557 00:24:11,601 --> 00:24:14,241 but all I could hear was my banging. 558 00:24:14,281 --> 00:24:17,960 And all I could hear was Kimmy shouting, 559 00:24:18,001 --> 00:24:21,001 "It's Pipes, Mum, Pipes. Pipes is here." 560 00:24:21,041 --> 00:24:22,201 SARAH: That's awful. 561 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,280 The girls got you out eventually. 562 00:24:24,321 --> 00:24:25,921 The thing is, 563 00:24:25,961 --> 00:24:28,401 when I was in there I swear, as God is my witness, 564 00:24:30,121 --> 00:24:31,921 I heard, I... 565 00:24:31,961 --> 00:24:34,561 Felt this man in there, with me, 566 00:24:36,401 --> 00:24:38,521 breathing right up against my face. 567 00:24:38,561 --> 00:24:41,401 Like strong, like rotten cabbage. 568 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,520 I nearly died. 569 00:24:44,561 --> 00:24:46,961 And... And when I got out, 570 00:24:48,041 --> 00:24:51,041 my head went, my knees went. 571 00:24:51,081 --> 00:24:52,960 Pam, let's go sit down. Come on. 572 00:24:54,161 --> 00:24:55,481 Tell us what happened next. 573 00:24:59,081 --> 00:25:00,601 Well, after glory hole, 574 00:25:00,641 --> 00:25:03,200 erm, I wrote to the Council 575 00:25:03,241 --> 00:25:04,601 to try and get us moved. 576 00:25:04,641 --> 00:25:06,401 SARAH: Mmm- hmm. 577 00:25:06,441 --> 00:25:10,161 But they wouldn't take it seriously. 578 00:25:10,201 --> 00:25:11,481 You know, like I was lying. 579 00:25:14,001 --> 00:25:15,841 Just don't want to know really. 580 00:25:15,881 --> 00:25:17,881 We saw a social worker, 581 00:25:17,921 --> 00:25:21,561 and they said we should all see a psychiatrist. 582 00:25:21,601 --> 00:25:25,001 Tell me what happened when the newspapers got their teeth into the story. 583 00:25:25,041 --> 00:25:27,201 That was a disaster. 584 00:25:27,201 --> 00:25:29,881 - Look at these. You got a lot of coverage. - Yeah. 585 00:25:29,921 --> 00:25:33,041 "'I believe in the Devil,' says Spook House Mother." 586 00:25:33,081 --> 00:25:34,281 Did you say that? 587 00:25:34,321 --> 00:25:35,401 PAMELA: [CHUCKLES] No, I didn't, no. 588 00:25:36,601 --> 00:25:38,561 SARAH: Here's "Power of Evil." 589 00:25:41,041 --> 00:25:43,921 PAMELA: Everyone was very friendly, but in the end, 590 00:25:43,961 --> 00:25:46,961 they all made us look even more like idiots. 591 00:25:47,001 --> 00:25:49,081 So I went to the local TV. 592 00:25:49,121 --> 00:25:50,841 - Can we have a look at that, actually? - Yeah. 593 00:25:50,841 --> 00:25:52,001 Here we are. 594 00:25:53,601 --> 00:25:55,601 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 595 00:25:55,601 --> 00:25:57,321 I told her it was the central heating. 596 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,480 So ever since then, she calls the noises "Pipes". 597 00:26:00,521 --> 00:26:03,321 So, Kim, aren't you a little bit afraid? 598 00:26:03,361 --> 00:26:05,201 Sometimes. 599 00:26:05,241 --> 00:26:07,841 MAN: [ON TV] Why? Do you think Mr Pipes has come to hurt you? 600 00:26:07,881 --> 00:26:09,441 I think he's come to hurt everybody. 601 00:26:09,481 --> 00:26:11,881 I think he wants to do nasty things. 602 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,000 MAN: [ON TV] Okay. Thank you very much. 603 00:26:14,001 --> 00:26:15,921 Now... 604 00:26:15,961 --> 00:26:19,041 Pam, thanks for letting us see that. 605 00:26:19,081 --> 00:26:20,841 They're ready for you now in the other studio. 606 00:26:20,841 --> 00:26:22,601 - All right. - Yeah. 607 00:26:22,641 --> 00:26:25,961 Pamela's just going to make her way outside now to our mini- studio. 608 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,401 She'll be there waiting to take your calls. 609 00:26:28,401 --> 00:26:31,081 In the meantime, let's go back to our main studio. 610 00:26:31,121 --> 00:26:33,001 And, Sarah, thank you very much indeed. 611 00:26:33,001 --> 00:26:36,361 Dr Pascoe, what was your introduction to the Early family? 612 00:26:36,401 --> 00:26:38,401 DR PASCOE: Well, I saw that programme 613 00:26:38,401 --> 00:26:39,841 that we've just seen an extract from 614 00:26:39,881 --> 00:26:41,841 and I offered to help if I could. 615 00:26:41,841 --> 00:26:43,401 MICHAEL: When you met Mrs Early then, 616 00:26:43,441 --> 00:26:45,521 was she then at the end of her tether? 617 00:26:45,561 --> 00:26:49,401 Yes, I'd had some experience of a fairly violent poltergeist case 618 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,081 in Heidelberg, Germany. 619 00:26:51,121 --> 00:26:53,081 So, I knew what it could do to a family, emotionally. 620 00:26:53,121 --> 00:26:55,321 I see. Well, I believe that Mrs Early has joined us now. 621 00:26:55,361 --> 00:26:57,841 Pamela, hello. Thanks for joining us. 622 00:26:57,841 --> 00:26:59,441 - Hello. - MICHAEL: Yeah. 623 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,600 And thanks also for allowing our cameras into your home. 624 00:27:01,601 --> 00:27:04,601 That can't have been an easy decision to have taken. 625 00:27:04,601 --> 00:27:08,561 Well, Suzanne was getting fed up with the jibes she was getting at school. 626 00:27:08,601 --> 00:27:11,961 Erm, with the papers calling us liars and everything. 627 00:27:12,001 --> 00:27:18,520 And she said, "Mum, Dr Pascoe wants us to do this BBC thing. 628 00:27:18,561 --> 00:27:20,881 "So, let's do it. And let's show everyone, 629 00:27:20,921 --> 00:27:22,441 "and then, they'll have to believe us." 630 00:27:22,481 --> 00:27:25,321 Erm, Pamela, I understand that you're quite keen to share 631 00:27:25,361 --> 00:27:27,121 your experience with our callers. 632 00:27:27,161 --> 00:27:28,441 Yes. 633 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:30,601 And I want to tell everyone that, erm, 634 00:27:30,641 --> 00:27:33,281 they're not going mad like I thought I was sometimes. 635 00:27:33,321 --> 00:27:34,601 - That's right. - All right. 636 00:27:34,601 --> 00:27:37,001 Well, we've got some callers on the line now. 637 00:27:37,041 --> 00:27:39,601 Let's take our first caller. Mike Smith, who is it? 638 00:27:39,641 --> 00:27:41,441 This is Sandra Hughes from Sussex. 639 00:27:41,481 --> 00:27:43,361 Right. Let's pick up the phones, Dr Pascoe. 640 00:27:44,881 --> 00:27:46,361 Sandra, hello. 641 00:27:46,401 --> 00:27:48,161 SANDRA: [ON PHONE] Oh, he... Hello. 642 00:27:48,201 --> 00:27:51,041 This is just that when I was a girl, 643 00:27:51,081 --> 00:27:53,881 I was brought up in a house in Brighton, 644 00:27:53,921 --> 00:27:55,961 and we had a ghost. 645 00:27:56,001 --> 00:27:58,201 And we'd often find things broken 646 00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:00,841 and, you know, those sorts of things. 647 00:28:00,881 --> 00:28:03,241 You're not alone, Sandra, honestly. 648 00:28:03,281 --> 00:28:07,441 SANDRA: [ON PHONE] And it's sort of coming out about this boy who died there, 649 00:28:07,481 --> 00:28:09,001 and how it's affected me. 650 00:28:09,041 --> 00:28:13,481 Because at the time, I didn't realise how much it affected me. 651 00:28:15,601 --> 00:28:19,201 That's... That's all I wanted to say, really. 652 00:28:19,241 --> 00:28:22,041 Thank you, Sandra, for your call. Thanks a lot. 653 00:28:22,081 --> 00:28:24,401 Thank you too, Mrs Early, for joining us. 654 00:28:24,441 --> 00:28:27,361 Well, if you'd stay in the studio, then we'll come back to you in just a moment. 655 00:28:27,401 --> 00:28:29,121 There are one or two other things to talk about first of all. 656 00:28:29,161 --> 00:28:30,441 Thanks a lot. 657 00:28:30,481 --> 00:28:32,361 Now, what I want to talk about now, Dr Pascoe, 658 00:28:32,401 --> 00:28:36,201 is this book of yours, which I'll show to the camera there. 659 00:28:36,201 --> 00:28:38,401 This is called Angels of the Odd. 660 00:28:38,441 --> 00:28:40,041 And it's a book that you wrote, 661 00:28:40,081 --> 00:28:43,041 your account of your investigation into this case. 662 00:28:43,081 --> 00:28:45,401 And you also made a film at the same time. 663 00:28:45,401 --> 00:28:47,241 We've got an extract from the film. 664 00:28:47,281 --> 00:28:50,281 Perhaps you could talk us through what's happening here. 665 00:28:50,321 --> 00:28:51,601 - MAN: All right? - Yeah. 666 00:28:51,641 --> 00:28:53,201 DR PASCOE: Well, we did extensive interviews. 667 00:28:55,001 --> 00:28:57,401 And we also used the Ganzfeld technique. 668 00:28:57,441 --> 00:28:58,601 MICHAEL: That's what we're seeing now. 669 00:28:58,641 --> 00:29:01,121 And that's where all the senses... 670 00:29:01,161 --> 00:29:03,601 Sensory inputs are blocked off. 671 00:29:03,601 --> 00:29:05,161 DR PASCOE: Deprived, yeah. MICHAEL: Deprived, yes. 672 00:29:05,201 --> 00:29:07,201 And you just feed in the white sound... 673 00:29:07,241 --> 00:29:09,001 DR PASCOE: Yeah. MICHAEL: White noise, through the headphones there. 674 00:29:09,001 --> 00:29:10,481 DR PASCOE: Bright light. MICHAEL: Yeah. 675 00:29:10,521 --> 00:29:13,281 DR PASCOE: Now, that's when we would hear the voice. 676 00:29:13,321 --> 00:29:16,240 "The voice"? Well, we should hear the voice actually. 677 00:29:16,281 --> 00:29:19,001 Let's hear it now. Because this is intriguing. 678 00:29:19,961 --> 00:29:22,241 Across here. 679 00:29:22,281 --> 00:29:25,081 I should say that this tape is completely undoctored. 680 00:29:25,121 --> 00:29:27,400 There's no edit on it whatsoever. 681 00:29:27,401 --> 00:29:31,361 All right. We should also warn our viewers of a nervous disposition 682 00:29:31,401 --> 00:29:35,481 that there are things on this tape that they might find a little bit distressing. 683 00:29:35,521 --> 00:29:38,241 At one point, we filled Suzanne's mouth with coloured liquid, 684 00:29:38,281 --> 00:29:40,241 and we sealed her lips with tape, 685 00:29:40,281 --> 00:29:42,561 and the voice continued with absolutely no change in quality whatsoever. 686 00:29:42,601 --> 00:29:43,841 Let's hear it. 687 00:29:45,401 --> 00:29:46,881 [PLATES CRASHING] 688 00:29:46,921 --> 00:29:48,961 WOMAN: The window above the sink's just been shattered now. 689 00:29:49,001 --> 00:29:51,321 There's no... Oh, my God! 690 00:29:51,361 --> 00:29:52,601 Look, the chair has gone. 691 00:29:52,641 --> 00:29:54,881 [GIRL SCREAMING] 692 00:29:54,921 --> 00:29:57,081 GIRL: She's coming towards me, Mum! 693 00:29:57,121 --> 00:29:59,001 WOMAN: It's coming across the kitchen floor. 694 00:29:59,001 --> 00:30:01,401 GIRL: Oh, my God! Mum! 695 00:30:01,401 --> 00:30:03,081 [PANTING] 696 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,320 WOMAN: It stopped. It's suddenly stopped moving. 697 00:30:06,361 --> 00:30:09,441 And everything seems to have gone quiet now. 698 00:30:09,481 --> 00:30:10,841 [GHOST GRUNTING] 699 00:30:12,321 --> 00:30:14,241 WOMAN: A grunt or something like that. 700 00:30:16,441 --> 00:30:19,441 If you can grunt, can you speak? 701 00:30:19,481 --> 00:30:22,841 GHOST: Round and round the garden... 702 00:30:22,881 --> 00:30:23,921 WOMAN: Oh, dear God, save us. 703 00:30:23,961 --> 00:30:26,281 GHOST: ...goes the teddy bear. 704 00:30:27,041 --> 00:30:29,241 One stone, 705 00:30:29,281 --> 00:30:32,401 two stone, take her... 706 00:30:34,401 --> 00:30:35,561 WOMAN: Who are you? 707 00:30:37,201 --> 00:30:40,041 What's your name? 708 00:30:40,081 --> 00:30:43,201 - [GHOST TALKING INDISTINCTLY] - WOMAN: Jesus Christ! Are you joking? 709 00:30:43,201 --> 00:30:47,001 GHOST: [BREATHING HEAVILY] Very funny. 710 00:30:47,041 --> 00:30:48,160 WOMAN: Are you dead? 711 00:30:49,521 --> 00:30:51,921 Are you in heaven? 712 00:30:51,961 --> 00:30:56,881 GHOST: All good children go to bed. 713 00:30:56,921 --> 00:30:59,841 [GHOST CONTINUES INDISTINCTLY] 714 00:31:08,601 --> 00:31:10,961 Bizarre. And chilling too. 715 00:31:11,001 --> 00:31:13,601 Well, forensic scientists at Cambridge examined the voice recording, 716 00:31:13,641 --> 00:31:15,601 and compared it to Suzanne's normal speech pattern. 717 00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:18,281 And they defined it as the voices of two separate people. 718 00:31:18,321 --> 00:31:20,241 Two people, yeah. 719 00:31:20,281 --> 00:31:23,441 - And, erm, we asked Suzanne to see, if she could... - Oh, my God! 720 00:31:23,481 --> 00:31:25,201 DR PASCOE: ...imitate the voice recording. 721 00:31:25,201 --> 00:31:27,601 And she was unable to do so for more than a few seconds. 722 00:31:27,641 --> 00:31:29,601 MICHAEL: That's her, trying it there. DR PASCOE: Yeah. 723 00:31:29,601 --> 00:31:33,000 - Try it again. - [IMITATING GHOST] Round and round the garden 724 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,320 like a teddy... Oh, my God. 725 00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:37,841 - MICHAEL: She can't do it. - No. Even under hypnosis, we tried that. 726 00:31:37,881 --> 00:31:39,481 - Really? And the same result? - Still the... 727 00:31:39,521 --> 00:31:42,401 What other evidence do we have, Doctor? 728 00:31:42,441 --> 00:31:47,121 Well, over the months, Alan Demescu, my partner, and I heard numerous noises... 729 00:31:47,161 --> 00:31:51,081 Thuds, bangs, scratching on the walls, knocking. 730 00:31:51,121 --> 00:31:54,881 The sort of normal noises you associate with poltergeist activity? 731 00:31:54,921 --> 00:31:56,361 What about this here, though? 732 00:31:56,401 --> 00:31:58,921 Ah, well, this is... This is my favourite, I think. 733 00:31:58,961 --> 00:32:03,201 This pillow moved diagonally to within about a foot of my face. 734 00:32:03,201 --> 00:32:05,561 Now, it's impossible to fake that. How do you fake that? 735 00:32:05,601 --> 00:32:07,601 MICHAEL: [CHUCKLING] I don't know really at all. 736 00:32:07,641 --> 00:32:09,881 Let's have a look at some more evidence over here. 737 00:32:09,921 --> 00:32:12,881 This is the wreckage evidence, if you like. 738 00:32:12,921 --> 00:32:16,001 This is an extraordinary assembly of... 739 00:32:16,001 --> 00:32:17,601 - There is this cup here for instance. - Yeah. 740 00:32:17,641 --> 00:32:19,841 Right? Let me show that in the camera there. 741 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,040 Now, how did these breakages occur? 742 00:32:22,081 --> 00:32:23,520 - Were they dropped? - DR PASCOE: Well, no... 743 00:32:23,561 --> 00:32:25,361 - The army did some analysis of this for us. - Yeah. 744 00:32:25,401 --> 00:32:29,041 And they said it'd been caused by intense temperature change. 745 00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:30,201 Not by impact or shock. 746 00:32:30,201 --> 00:32:32,001 MICHAEL: Really? 747 00:32:32,001 --> 00:32:33,161 - This temperature... There you are. - DR PASCOE: Yeah. 748 00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:35,161 MICHAEL: Look, the headless lady. 749 00:32:35,201 --> 00:32:38,521 And lots more guys here, and crockery. 750 00:32:38,561 --> 00:32:40,401 - Look at that. - DR PASCOE: Yeah. 751 00:32:40,441 --> 00:32:43,401 And clocks or watches just stop when they're in the house. 752 00:32:43,441 --> 00:32:46,401 I mean, I just gave up wearing one. There's no point. 753 00:32:46,401 --> 00:32:48,841 MICHAEL: And the favourites in situations like this... 754 00:32:48,841 --> 00:32:51,841 God, the spoons that are bent. 755 00:32:51,881 --> 00:32:54,281 Quite remarkable. 756 00:32:54,321 --> 00:32:57,041 Couple of regular little Uri Gellers, those sisters. 757 00:32:57,081 --> 00:32:59,401 Yes, they weren't even in the room sometimes. 758 00:32:59,401 --> 00:33:01,441 You'd just open the drawer and they are there. 759 00:33:01,481 --> 00:33:03,241 - And you saw all this happen? - Yeah, many times. 760 00:33:03,281 --> 00:33:05,201 Many, many times. 761 00:33:05,241 --> 00:33:06,881 Extraordinary. 762 00:33:06,921 --> 00:33:11,321 Let's now look at another piece of evidence, Doctor. 763 00:33:11,361 --> 00:33:15,521 And that's the situation where Suzanne's face at times is 764 00:33:15,561 --> 00:33:18,001 covered with marks, with lesions. 765 00:33:18,001 --> 00:33:20,001 Before I talk to you about that, 766 00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:21,921 I'd like to talk to Suzanne. 767 00:33:21,961 --> 00:33:23,001 And I think that... 768 00:33:23,841 --> 00:33:25,481 Yeah, there they are. 769 00:33:25,521 --> 00:33:27,601 - We're on. Yeah. Here we are. - We're going live over there. 770 00:33:27,641 --> 00:33:29,401 So I'd like to talk to Suzanne. 771 00:33:29,401 --> 00:33:32,121 Suzanne, when did you first get these marks on your face? 772 00:33:32,161 --> 00:33:33,401 When did they first show? 773 00:33:33,441 --> 00:33:35,321 About July, the first one was. 774 00:33:36,121 --> 00:33:38,321 It was horrible. 775 00:33:38,361 --> 00:33:41,521 Well, I'd just wake up and it would feel like someone was all over me. 776 00:33:44,961 --> 00:33:47,081 And in fact, we've got there, Dr Pascoe, 777 00:33:47,121 --> 00:33:49,841 we've got some of the pictures that were taken there 778 00:33:49,881 --> 00:33:52,001 of the face of that girl 779 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,040 with these extraordinary marks on them. 780 00:33:55,081 --> 00:33:58,081 DR PASCOE: Alan and I watched them appear on her face, 781 00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:00,401 quite literally in front of our eyes. 782 00:34:00,441 --> 00:34:02,081 MICHAEL: There's another shot there. Look. 783 00:34:03,281 --> 00:34:05,201 Remarkable. 784 00:34:05,241 --> 00:34:06,840 Now we've seen, Dr Pascoe... 785 00:34:06,881 --> 00:34:10,441 We've seen the evidence that you've collected so far. 786 00:34:11,921 --> 00:34:13,241 I'd like your theory. 787 00:34:13,281 --> 00:34:15,241 From what we've seen, do you think that the 788 00:34:15,281 --> 00:34:17,321 poltergeist activity, such that it is, 789 00:34:17,361 --> 00:34:20,201 is now centred on Suzanne? 790 00:34:20,201 --> 00:34:22,521 Well, certainly as a female approaching puberty, 791 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,921 she does conform to the classic typical poltergeist focus. 792 00:34:25,961 --> 00:34:27,921 - Yeah. - Broken family background, 793 00:34:27,961 --> 00:34:29,481 she's introverted. 794 00:34:29,521 --> 00:34:33,241 She tends maybe to direct her stress and anxiety inwards 795 00:34:33,281 --> 00:34:36,201 until it has nowhere to go, and then... Bam. 796 00:34:36,241 --> 00:34:38,241 I see. 797 00:34:38,281 --> 00:34:41,121 I think we've still got Mrs Early there, in our outside broadcast studio. 798 00:34:41,161 --> 00:34:42,921 If she's... Yes. There you are. 799 00:34:42,961 --> 00:34:45,441 Mrs Early, I don't know quite if you heard that, 800 00:34:45,481 --> 00:34:47,481 what Dr Pascoe was saying. 801 00:34:47,521 --> 00:34:51,401 Well, she said that Suzanne was the classic typical poltergeist focus. 802 00:34:51,401 --> 00:34:55,121 She was the person that all this energy was focusing on. 803 00:34:55,161 --> 00:34:56,841 What do you think about that? 804 00:34:56,881 --> 00:35:01,041 Well, there's nothing wrong with my Suzie. I know that. 805 00:35:01,081 --> 00:35:05,601 If my Suzie's funny, well, how does that explain the other things like, erm, 806 00:35:05,641 --> 00:35:08,841 like the glory hole? It doesn't and it can't. 807 00:35:08,881 --> 00:35:11,001 So you disagree with Dr Pascoe's theory that 808 00:35:11,041 --> 00:35:14,601 Suzanne's psychological problems are the cause of these disturbances. 809 00:35:14,601 --> 00:35:18,561 I think what you're saying really is, in fact, that you believe it's a natural ghost. 810 00:35:19,241 --> 00:35:20,401 Don't you, Lin? 811 00:35:20,441 --> 00:35:22,601 Pam, I'm not disagreeing with you. 812 00:35:22,601 --> 00:35:24,361 Please believe me. I'm on your side. 813 00:35:24,401 --> 00:35:26,081 I know that there's something there. 814 00:35:26,121 --> 00:35:29,001 I'm just trying to understand what it is. 815 00:35:29,041 --> 00:35:31,321 A poltergeist can be location- based or person- based. 816 00:35:31,361 --> 00:35:33,841 I mean, who knows? Maybe this is both. 817 00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:36,881 I mean, of course a lot of people would have it that there's nothing there at all. 818 00:35:36,921 --> 00:35:40,201 Yeah, well, a lot of people would have it at one time that you couldn't walk on the moon. 819 00:35:40,241 --> 00:35:43,361 All right. Well, in order to avoid any accusations of bias, 820 00:35:43,401 --> 00:35:46,281 I'd like to bring in physicist Emilio Sylvestri. 821 00:35:46,321 --> 00:35:48,841 A former member of the sceptic society, CSICOP, 822 00:35:48,841 --> 00:35:53,081 the Committee for the Scientific Investigation for Claims of the Paranormal. 823 00:35:53,121 --> 00:35:54,601 He's in New York. 824 00:35:54,641 --> 00:35:56,001 Good evening, Dr Sylvestri. 825 00:35:56,001 --> 00:35:58,081 Good evening. 826 00:35:58,121 --> 00:36:00,161 Thank you for joining us. You've looked at the evidence in this case. 827 00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:02,121 I'd like to hear your conclusions. What are they? 828 00:36:03,481 --> 00:36:05,361 Well, I think it's pretty obvious 829 00:36:05,401 --> 00:36:08,001 there's nothing in the tape that couldn't be faked. 830 00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:10,881 The bedroom footage is totally inconclusive. 831 00:36:10,921 --> 00:36:12,881 It could all be done with wires, for all we know. 832 00:36:12,921 --> 00:36:14,601 DR PASCOE: And the legions on Suzanne's face? 833 00:36:15,601 --> 00:36:17,081 Scratched by her fingernails. 834 00:36:17,121 --> 00:36:18,881 DR PASCOE: She's not lying. Believe her. 835 00:36:20,041 --> 00:36:21,441 I'd love to. 836 00:36:21,481 --> 00:36:22,881 The same as I'd love to believe I'm going to heaven, 837 00:36:22,921 --> 00:36:25,201 but... Doesn't make it a scientific fact. 838 00:36:25,241 --> 00:36:27,081 DR PASCOE: But if people do believe in something, 839 00:36:27,121 --> 00:36:29,201 surely, we shouldn't discount it. 840 00:36:29,241 --> 00:36:32,881 I mean, it's all part of human experience and that's what we're studying. 841 00:36:32,921 --> 00:36:34,281 Well... Fine, fine. 842 00:36:34,321 --> 00:36:35,841 But is it measurable? 843 00:36:35,881 --> 00:36:38,121 Is it provable? No... 844 00:36:38,161 --> 00:36:42,041 For years, parapsychologists have been trying to prove their loony theories 845 00:36:42,081 --> 00:36:43,601 in laboratory conditions, 846 00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:45,361 and they can't. 847 00:36:45,401 --> 00:36:48,241 Yeah, that's right. We can't. That's where we went wrong. 848 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,840 There are some things you can't demonstrate in a lab. 849 00:36:50,841 --> 00:36:53,321 Show me falling in love in a lab. 850 00:36:53,361 --> 00:36:56,081 Show me poetic inspiration in a lab. 851 00:36:56,121 --> 00:36:58,081 You can't. You've got to get out of the lab and into real life, 852 00:36:58,121 --> 00:37:01,281 and that's what we're trying to do tonight. 853 00:37:01,321 --> 00:37:04,921 These people are not deceiving us or themselves. Look at them. 854 00:37:04,961 --> 00:37:08,001 They're in trauma for God's sake. Why would they do it to themselves? 855 00:37:08,041 --> 00:37:11,841 The Early family are suffering just like people who've had murder bereavements, 856 00:37:11,881 --> 00:37:14,161 or plane crashes. 857 00:37:14,201 --> 00:37:17,841 The only difference is that nobody says that they don't believe in plane crashes. 858 00:37:17,841 --> 00:37:20,841 But most of us don't believe that people come back from them. 859 00:37:20,881 --> 00:37:23,001 See, that's... 860 00:37:23,001 --> 00:37:25,361 What you're always forgetting, Emilio, is that you have a belief system, too. 861 00:37:25,401 --> 00:37:27,321 Your belief system is blanket denial. 862 00:37:27,361 --> 00:37:29,841 You joke about it because you're afraid to face it. 863 00:37:30,841 --> 00:37:32,481 [SCOFFS] That old chestnut. 864 00:37:32,521 --> 00:37:35,201 Look, Lin, you ought to be selling crystals on Venice Beach, 865 00:37:35,241 --> 00:37:37,081 or palm reading, 866 00:37:37,121 --> 00:37:39,601 or a counsellor, a confidant, a guide maybe. 867 00:37:39,641 --> 00:37:42,281 But a scientist? I don't think so. 868 00:37:42,321 --> 00:37:45,081 MICHAEL: Dr Sylvestri, for the moment, thank you very much indeed. 869 00:37:45,121 --> 00:37:47,601 I hope you'll stay with us in our studio in New York, 870 00:37:47,641 --> 00:37:49,361 and keep an eye on what's happening here, 871 00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,601 and from time to time, give us a comment on proceedings. 872 00:37:51,601 --> 00:37:53,121 Thanks for joining us. 873 00:37:53,161 --> 00:37:54,241 Well, there you are, Lin. 874 00:37:54,281 --> 00:37:55,920 What do you think about that? 875 00:37:55,961 --> 00:37:58,281 CSICOP people have nothing to do with parapsychology. 876 00:37:58,321 --> 00:37:59,921 They're just a sign of the times. 877 00:37:59,961 --> 00:38:01,001 In what way? 878 00:38:02,561 --> 00:38:04,361 They're the last of the materialists. 879 00:38:04,401 --> 00:38:05,601 Like the last of the dinosaurs. 880 00:38:05,601 --> 00:38:07,121 The world's changing. 881 00:38:07,161 --> 00:38:08,881 Good doctor made you cross, didn't he? 882 00:38:08,921 --> 00:38:10,961 No. 883 00:38:11,001 --> 00:38:14,361 Right. Do or do now. Let's go straight over to Sarah in Foxhill Drive. 884 00:38:14,401 --> 00:38:15,481 Hang on. 885 00:38:15,521 --> 00:38:17,401 Sarah, what's happening there? 886 00:38:18,361 --> 00:38:19,601 It's quite quiet, actually. 887 00:38:19,601 --> 00:38:21,321 A bit too quiet. 888 00:38:21,361 --> 00:38:22,520 Though, I must say, earlier on, 889 00:38:22,561 --> 00:38:25,001 Suze turned off Dr Sylvestri. 890 00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:26,881 I don't think she was that enamoured. 891 00:38:26,921 --> 00:38:28,521 What does he know? He's not here. 892 00:38:28,561 --> 00:38:30,921 MICHAEL: Well, in the moment we've got here now, Sarah, 893 00:38:30,961 --> 00:38:33,321 perhaps you could tell us that ghost story you told us about earlier on. 894 00:38:33,361 --> 00:38:35,201 Oh, yes, all right. 895 00:38:35,241 --> 00:38:36,601 Well, it was sort of a ghost story. 896 00:38:36,601 --> 00:38:38,600 - It happened... - I can start another one. 897 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,040 A couple of months ago now. 898 00:38:40,081 --> 00:38:42,441 We were staying at some friends of ours' home. 899 00:38:42,481 --> 00:38:43,841 They live in the Cotswolds. 900 00:38:43,841 --> 00:38:47,321 Beautiful 15th, 16th century house. 901 00:38:47,361 --> 00:38:49,841 And one night, 902 00:38:49,881 --> 00:38:53,841 I was woken up by the sound of this harpsichord music. 903 00:38:53,841 --> 00:38:55,201 It was like chamber music. 904 00:38:55,241 --> 00:38:58,401 But, you know, when a noise comes into your dream, 905 00:38:58,401 --> 00:39:00,561 and you're not quite sure it's in the dream, 906 00:39:00,601 --> 00:39:02,441 or whether it's actually happening. 907 00:39:02,481 --> 00:39:04,441 It was that kind of effect. 908 00:39:04,481 --> 00:39:06,521 But it woke me up nonetheless. 909 00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:09,121 And when I tried to get back to sleep again, 910 00:39:09,161 --> 00:39:10,561 I could still hear it. 911 00:39:10,601 --> 00:39:14,281 But all I could see was this Indian woman's face. 912 00:39:14,321 --> 00:39:18,121 And she had her hair sort of pulled across her forehead and then tightly back. 913 00:39:18,161 --> 00:39:19,881 And kohl around her eyes. 914 00:39:19,921 --> 00:39:21,601 And her eyes were going from side to side. 915 00:39:21,641 --> 00:39:24,001 You know, like in Indian dancing. 916 00:39:24,001 --> 00:39:27,881 And slowly, the eyes lifted up and rolled right back until they were white, 917 00:39:27,921 --> 00:39:29,921 and then the face went. 918 00:39:29,961 --> 00:39:33,401 The next morning, I couldn't wait to tell everybody about this. 919 00:39:33,401 --> 00:39:37,161 And the people whose house it is... 920 00:39:37,201 --> 00:39:41,961 They told me that the house had once belonged to the viceroy of India. 921 00:39:42,001 --> 00:39:46,401 And he had had two Indian concubines living in the house with him. 922 00:39:46,401 --> 00:39:48,001 And when they died, 923 00:39:48,001 --> 00:39:50,201 he couldn't bury them in consecrated ground. 924 00:39:50,201 --> 00:39:54,201 He wasn't allowed to. So he buried them out in his garden. 925 00:39:54,201 --> 00:39:57,601 And there had been talk in the village 926 00:39:57,641 --> 00:40:02,201 of actually digging up the grave to see what else was down there. 927 00:40:02,241 --> 00:40:04,561 And it became very clear to me that this was a sort of message to say, 928 00:40:04,601 --> 00:40:07,160 "No, don't. They mustn't do it." 929 00:40:07,201 --> 00:40:11,401 And so, when I found out that they weren't in fact planning to do anything with the grave, 930 00:40:11,441 --> 00:40:12,801 they wouldn't dream of it, 931 00:40:12,841 --> 00:40:14,841 I went back up to the bedroom, 932 00:40:14,881 --> 00:40:18,081 and I just sort of said, "Don't worry. Nothing's going to happen." 933 00:40:18,121 --> 00:40:21,441 And it was as though the atmosphere changed straightaway. 934 00:40:21,481 --> 00:40:25,041 I have to say Smithy was a bit scared the next night. 935 00:40:25,081 --> 00:40:27,561 He wouldn't admit it, but he was. 936 00:40:27,601 --> 00:40:29,361 But nothing happened. 937 00:40:29,401 --> 00:40:32,401 And it was as though everything had gone calm again. 938 00:40:32,401 --> 00:40:35,841 But the important thing here, it wasn't scary. At all. 939 00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:38,481 I mean, the music and the vision was very beautiful. 940 00:40:38,521 --> 00:40:40,401 But... That's why I wanted to do this programme. 941 00:40:40,441 --> 00:40:41,841 'Cause it's intriguing. 942 00:40:41,881 --> 00:40:43,841 - You all right? - [WHISPERING INDISTINCTLY] 943 00:40:43,881 --> 00:40:45,321 Okay, yeah. 944 00:40:45,361 --> 00:40:47,440 Kim just wants to go to bed now. It's a bit late. 945 00:40:47,481 --> 00:40:49,881 What time do you normally go to bed? 946 00:40:49,921 --> 00:40:51,361 - 8:00. - 8:00. Come on then. 947 00:40:51,401 --> 00:40:52,881 You must be a bit tired. 948 00:40:56,241 --> 00:40:57,601 KIM: Say hi to Mum. 949 00:40:57,601 --> 00:40:59,361 SARAH: You want to just say hi to Mum? Okay. 950 00:40:59,401 --> 00:41:01,521 Well, tell you what? If you look up to that camera there... 951 00:41:01,561 --> 00:41:03,281 - Yeah. Little thing there. - That? 952 00:41:03,321 --> 00:41:05,121 And you'll be speaking to her, Kim. Say good night to her. 953 00:41:05,161 --> 00:41:07,281 - Good night, Mum. - Good night, love. Sweet dreams. 954 00:41:07,321 --> 00:41:09,241 Good night, Kim. 955 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,000 DR PASCOE: Remember, there's nothing to be scared of. 956 00:41:11,041 --> 00:41:12,521 To bed. 957 00:41:14,041 --> 00:41:16,001 You really think there's nothing to be scared of? 958 00:41:16,041 --> 00:41:18,001 SARAH: There we are. 959 00:41:18,001 --> 00:41:21,081 Well, one says, the paranormal's no more scary than 960 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,000 the weather or the tides. 961 00:41:23,001 --> 00:41:24,281 I mean, all those things can harm us. 962 00:41:24,321 --> 00:41:26,001 But we can also understand them. 963 00:41:26,041 --> 00:41:27,401 All right? Can I leave that light on? 964 00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:30,001 - Yeah. Good night. - All right. Good night. 965 00:41:30,001 --> 00:41:31,441 - Keep warm. - Yep. 966 00:41:36,401 --> 00:41:40,001 MICHAEL: So, Sarah, got anything to report at all? 967 00:41:40,001 --> 00:41:41,321 No. Nothing. 968 00:41:41,361 --> 00:41:43,121 Just the cold. 969 00:41:43,161 --> 00:41:45,081 It's typical, isn't it? 970 00:41:45,121 --> 00:41:46,961 A house full of technology, and nobody's bothered to find out 971 00:41:47,001 --> 00:41:49,521 whether central heating switch is on. 972 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,200 You okay, Suzanne? 973 00:41:51,201 --> 00:41:52,281 - Yes, I am. - Got your crisps? 974 00:41:52,321 --> 00:41:55,161 - Yeah. - Yeah? Good. All right. 975 00:41:55,201 --> 00:41:58,001 Now, guys, I think we've earned ourselves a cup of coffee, don't you? 976 00:41:58,001 --> 00:41:59,281 MAN: Yeah. 977 00:41:59,321 --> 00:42:01,601 Pam told me where everything was, so... 978 00:42:01,601 --> 00:42:03,881 It's just there. 979 00:42:03,921 --> 00:42:06,001 Mike, how do you take the coffee? 980 00:42:06,041 --> 00:42:07,321 MIKE A: Black, one sugar please. 981 00:42:07,361 --> 00:42:08,521 SARAH: Okay. What about you, Chris? 982 00:42:08,561 --> 00:42:10,040 CHRIS: Milk, one sugar please. 983 00:42:13,001 --> 00:42:14,001 There we are. 984 00:42:15,081 --> 00:42:16,841 You know what? 985 00:42:16,841 --> 00:42:20,841 I think I'd almost feel happier if something was happening. 986 00:42:20,881 --> 00:42:25,521 It's sort of eerier just waiting, really, don't you find? 987 00:42:25,561 --> 00:42:30,361 MIKE A: Well, I think, I might've heard something earlier. Sort of... 988 00:42:30,401 --> 00:42:32,921 Just like an animal scratching its feet, but 989 00:42:32,961 --> 00:42:35,081 they don't record in this camera at all. 990 00:42:35,121 --> 00:42:36,561 - Really? - MIKE A: Yeah. 991 00:42:36,601 --> 00:42:39,601 CHRIS: And I noticed earlier my watch had stopped. 992 00:42:39,601 --> 00:42:40,841 - Really? - CHRIS: Yeah. 993 00:42:40,881 --> 00:42:42,161 What time? When? 994 00:42:42,201 --> 00:42:43,561 CHRIS: Er, just before we went on air. 995 00:42:45,481 --> 00:42:47,081 DR PASCOE: I said watches have a hard time. 996 00:42:47,121 --> 00:42:48,601 Par for the course I'm afraid. 997 00:42:48,641 --> 00:42:50,241 I'm fine. 998 00:42:50,281 --> 00:42:51,841 Just as long as we all know, eh? 999 00:42:51,881 --> 00:42:53,601 MICHAEL: Don't spook yourself. 1000 00:42:53,601 --> 00:42:55,081 No, it's all right. 1001 00:42:55,121 --> 00:42:56,841 That's what we're being paid for. 1002 00:42:56,841 --> 00:42:58,321 We're okay, anyway. Look. 1003 00:42:58,361 --> 00:43:00,921 We've got an old hand to help us over here. 1004 00:43:00,961 --> 00:43:03,001 Now I just put the kettle on. Do you want a cup of tea or coffee? 1005 00:43:03,041 --> 00:43:05,001 - No, thanks. I'm having orange juice, okay? - All right. 1006 00:43:05,001 --> 00:43:07,121 Can you get me a glass please? 1007 00:43:07,161 --> 00:43:10,001 - SARAH: Where? They're just up here in the cupboard. - Yeah, that's right. 1008 00:43:10,041 --> 00:43:12,401 While you're in the fridge, just pass me some milk. 1009 00:43:12,441 --> 00:43:14,041 Yeah. Sure. 1010 00:43:14,081 --> 00:43:15,081 Whoo. 1011 00:43:16,081 --> 00:43:17,441 A balancing act. There we are. 1012 00:43:20,561 --> 00:43:23,001 - Mum! - Hello, love. Are you all right? 1013 00:43:23,001 --> 00:43:24,241 Yeah, I'm fine. Are you all right? 1014 00:43:24,281 --> 00:43:25,321 Yes. 1015 00:43:27,441 --> 00:43:30,041 MICHAEL: Well, there we are. So far, so good. 1016 00:43:30,081 --> 00:43:32,121 Now as you know, we asked you to join our 1017 00:43:32,161 --> 00:43:35,401 exploration of the supernatural by telling us your ghost story. 1018 00:43:35,401 --> 00:43:37,361 Well, here's someone with a tale to tell, 1019 00:43:37,401 --> 00:43:39,601 who wants to conceal his identity. 1020 00:43:41,121 --> 00:43:43,441 We had this dreadful day, er, 1021 00:43:43,481 --> 00:43:45,401 that first evening. 1022 00:43:45,401 --> 00:43:47,161 with duvets being tugged off me. 1023 00:43:47,201 --> 00:43:50,401 Except for being quite amusing, we'd been laughing about it. 1024 00:43:50,441 --> 00:43:53,481 It wasn't at all malevolent or nasty. 1025 00:43:53,521 --> 00:43:55,201 But this particular day, it certainly was. 1026 00:43:57,161 --> 00:43:58,321 One of the first incidents that day... 1027 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,320 We were eating lunch and... 1028 00:44:01,881 --> 00:44:04,521 I think it was mackerel or something like that. 1029 00:44:04,561 --> 00:44:06,841 We both looked down, this is my half- sister and me, 1030 00:44:06,841 --> 00:44:09,441 and saw what looked like saliva 1031 00:44:09,481 --> 00:44:11,601 all over the mackerel. 1032 00:44:11,641 --> 00:44:13,361 Of course we couldn't eat it. 1033 00:44:13,401 --> 00:44:15,841 And shortly after that, 1034 00:44:15,881 --> 00:44:20,321 I found again what looked like saliva on the front doorstep. 1035 00:44:21,281 --> 00:44:22,601 Erm... 1036 00:44:22,601 --> 00:44:24,121 I start... I lost my temper with it. 1037 00:44:24,161 --> 00:44:25,481 For the first time, I say "it." 1038 00:44:25,521 --> 00:44:27,241 This presence, whatever it was... 1039 00:44:27,281 --> 00:44:29,041 And I started shouting and swearing. 1040 00:44:29,081 --> 00:44:31,041 And immediately, again, spit... 1041 00:44:31,081 --> 00:44:33,400 What looked like spit appeared on my shoes. 1042 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,400 As if in retaliation. 1043 00:44:35,401 --> 00:44:40,041 And either shortly before or shortly after this... 1044 00:44:40,081 --> 00:44:45,041 Literally was disgusting. [STAMMERING] We found excrement smeared 1045 00:44:45,081 --> 00:44:47,601 on a cupboard door in the bathroom. 1046 00:44:47,641 --> 00:44:51,001 We had already, in fact found, er, 1047 00:44:51,041 --> 00:44:54,201 such things in various parts of the flat. 1048 00:44:54,201 --> 00:44:57,521 This was the first time we actually found anything smeared like that on the door. 1049 00:44:57,561 --> 00:44:59,401 So it had to be cleared up. It was really horrible. 1050 00:45:01,401 --> 00:45:03,521 And from someone who believes in ghosts 1051 00:45:03,561 --> 00:45:06,001 to someone who's not quite sure. 1052 00:45:06,041 --> 00:45:07,401 Let's join Craig Charles. 1053 00:45:08,121 --> 00:45:09,241 Boo! 1054 00:45:09,281 --> 00:45:11,281 I bet that scared you, didn't it? 1055 00:45:11,321 --> 00:45:14,161 No, this is not a mask. This is Craig Charles, live, you lucky people. 1056 00:45:14,201 --> 00:45:16,241 And here we have the thrill- seekers. 1057 00:45:16,281 --> 00:45:17,921 Pillars of the community. 1058 00:45:17,961 --> 00:45:20,001 All waiting to see if the ghost is going to arrive. 1059 00:45:20,041 --> 00:45:21,961 Welcome to Fright Night. 1060 00:45:22,001 --> 00:45:25,201 Now I'm gonna give you a little guided tour of the community. 1061 00:45:25,201 --> 00:45:29,241 And we're gonna meet some people who are pretty upset about some weird goings- on. 1062 00:45:29,281 --> 00:45:31,321 And we're gonna go to a pretty sinister place. 1063 00:45:31,361 --> 00:45:34,001 Let's break into a little bit of a jog, lads. 1064 00:45:34,001 --> 00:45:35,361 Gets me fit, this jog. 1065 00:45:35,401 --> 00:45:37,161 That's why I told Michael, I hate Halloween. 1066 00:45:37,201 --> 00:45:39,121 I hate apples. I hate dud apples. 1067 00:45:39,161 --> 00:45:42,161 I hate little kids all dressed up in... Like the devil. 1068 00:45:42,201 --> 00:45:44,841 I'm going to meet this woman, Yvonne Etherly. 1069 00:45:44,881 --> 00:45:48,081 And she's on this piece of waste ground here, I think. 1070 00:45:48,121 --> 00:45:52,001 And then she's gonna tell us some pretty peculiar things. 1071 00:45:52,001 --> 00:45:54,241 Erm, Yvonne Etherly. 1072 00:45:54,281 --> 00:45:56,401 Yvonne? Which one... You're Yvonne. 1073 00:45:56,441 --> 00:45:58,601 Okay. Yvonne, can you... 1074 00:45:58,601 --> 00:46:00,961 Can you tell me about some of the things that've been going on around here? 1075 00:46:01,001 --> 00:46:03,921 Well, we live opposite Pam at number 43, 1076 00:46:03,961 --> 00:46:06,281 and one night, ages ago now, 1077 00:46:06,321 --> 00:46:07,601 we heard all this banging. 1078 00:46:07,641 --> 00:46:09,241 So we went to the front door, 1079 00:46:09,281 --> 00:46:11,201 and it was obvious it was coming from Pam's house. 1080 00:46:11,201 --> 00:46:12,361 CRAIG: So what did you see? 1081 00:46:12,401 --> 00:46:14,200 Well, the top window was smashed, 1082 00:46:14,201 --> 00:46:16,121 and Pam and Kimmy were in the garden crying. 1083 00:46:16,161 --> 00:46:18,521 So, we made them a cup of tea. 1084 00:46:18,561 --> 00:46:21,361 And they just come in into ours 1085 00:46:21,401 --> 00:46:24,001 whenever they need to, basically. 1086 00:46:24,001 --> 00:46:25,321 CRAIG: It all sounds a little bit weird. 1087 00:46:25,361 --> 00:46:28,401 What's it like living in England's Amityville? 1088 00:46:28,441 --> 00:46:29,601 Well, it's no joke. 1089 00:46:29,601 --> 00:46:31,601 I mean, it's not very funny. 1090 00:46:31,641 --> 00:46:34,001 I mean, some really weird and horrible things happen around here. 1091 00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:35,881 CRAIG: Well, what kind of weird things? 1092 00:46:35,921 --> 00:46:38,241 Well, there was that wee girl that went missing. 1093 00:46:38,281 --> 00:46:39,921 - Judy Weiland. - Judy Weiland. 1094 00:46:39,961 --> 00:46:41,041 It was in all the papers. 1095 00:46:41,081 --> 00:46:42,361 What happened to her? 1096 00:46:42,401 --> 00:46:46,601 We don't know. She just disappeared and then... 1097 00:46:46,601 --> 00:46:50,081 Well, I know you're always reading about people that were knifed and that sort of thing. 1098 00:46:50,121 --> 00:46:52,841 But somebody was knifed around here that was five years old. 1099 00:46:52,841 --> 00:46:54,401 CRAIG: Five years old? 1100 00:46:54,401 --> 00:46:58,081 Okay. Can you tell me a little bit about this playground? 1101 00:46:58,121 --> 00:46:59,201 Yeah. 1102 00:46:59,241 --> 00:47:00,321 Shall I go in? 1103 00:47:00,361 --> 00:47:01,481 Yeah, yeah. Come on. 1104 00:47:01,521 --> 00:47:03,561 Well, it was this summer. 1105 00:47:03,601 --> 00:47:07,441 My... My youngest son, Gary, came running into the house in a real state. 1106 00:47:07,481 --> 00:47:12,001 So, when I calmed him down, it seemed that they'd been playing in here, 1107 00:47:12,001 --> 00:47:14,561 and they'd found this dead black Labrador. 1108 00:47:14,601 --> 00:47:16,001 Where did they find it? 1109 00:47:16,041 --> 00:47:17,561 It was about here. 1110 00:47:17,601 --> 00:47:19,361 And how had it died? 1111 00:47:19,401 --> 00:47:21,921 Well, it'd been cut open, like something in a butcher's shop. 1112 00:47:21,961 --> 00:47:24,201 Can you imagine the kind of person that would do something like that? 1113 00:47:24,241 --> 00:47:26,241 Is that all that happened? 1114 00:47:26,281 --> 00:47:27,561 Well, it was pregnant. 1115 00:47:27,601 --> 00:47:30,201 There were foetuses scattered all over. 1116 00:47:30,241 --> 00:47:32,361 The kids wouldn't play for weeks. 1117 00:47:32,401 --> 00:47:34,001 I should imagine not. 1118 00:47:34,001 --> 00:47:36,561 So as you can see, this is a pretty sinister place. 1119 00:47:36,601 --> 00:47:39,281 Now I'm gonna try and find the guy who tried unsuccessfully 1120 00:47:39,321 --> 00:47:41,361 to exorcise Foxhill Drive. 1121 00:47:41,401 --> 00:47:44,001 A Mr Arthur Lacey. Arthur Lacey? 1122 00:47:44,041 --> 00:47:46,441 Arthur Lacey. Come with me, Arthur. 1123 00:47:46,481 --> 00:47:49,321 You got involved in your professional capacity, I believe. 1124 00:47:49,361 --> 00:47:50,601 ARTHUR: Well, not exactly. 1125 00:47:50,641 --> 00:47:52,601 By profession, I'm a British Royal Guard. 1126 00:47:52,641 --> 00:47:55,201 CRAIG: Ah. But in your spare time, you're a medium? 1127 00:47:55,241 --> 00:47:57,281 ARTHUR: Well, I'm a spiritualist. CRAIG: A spiritualist. 1128 00:47:57,321 --> 00:48:00,081 ARTHUR: Yes, and through God, I've been given the task, when I can, 1129 00:48:00,121 --> 00:48:02,881 to help spirits that may have lost their way. 1130 00:48:02,921 --> 00:48:06,441 So, you, erm... You exorcised Foxhill Drive. 1131 00:48:06,481 --> 00:48:10,121 Well, it wasn't the Ruituale Romanum, bell, book and candle. 1132 00:48:10,161 --> 00:48:12,561 No, I simply went and prayed with the family. 1133 00:48:12,601 --> 00:48:16,001 And offered a guiding light to whatever poor soul might need it. 1134 00:48:16,001 --> 00:48:18,081 And can you tell us what happened? 1135 00:48:18,121 --> 00:48:19,841 You know how they say that 1136 00:48:19,841 --> 00:48:22,041 pigs can sense it before they get to the slaughterhouse? 1137 00:48:22,081 --> 00:48:25,161 Well, I had this overwhelming sense of evil, 1138 00:48:25,201 --> 00:48:28,441 of spiritual decay, is the only way I can describe it as. 1139 00:48:28,481 --> 00:48:30,521 Yeah, I was physically sick for a week. 1140 00:48:30,561 --> 00:48:32,401 I smelt blood on my hands. 1141 00:48:32,401 --> 00:48:35,361 Something didn't want me near it. 1142 00:48:35,401 --> 00:48:37,161 Didn't believe it was dead. 1143 00:48:37,201 --> 00:48:40,521 So do you believe there is such a thing as... 1144 00:48:40,561 --> 00:48:42,401 I don't know, an evil place? 1145 00:48:42,401 --> 00:48:45,080 Well, there are degrees, yes, shades in all places. 1146 00:48:45,121 --> 00:48:47,521 I mean, anyone who buys a house finds themselves 1147 00:48:47,561 --> 00:48:50,001 weighing up these vibrations subconsciously. 1148 00:48:50,041 --> 00:48:52,281 You see, I think that 1149 00:48:52,321 --> 00:48:56,121 just as we are the product of our mothers and fathers and their mothers and fathers, 1150 00:48:56,161 --> 00:49:00,481 I think that places somehow inherit the genes in their past too, somehow. 1151 00:49:00,521 --> 00:49:01,881 Yeah? 1152 00:49:01,921 --> 00:49:03,961 Hey, trick- or- treaters I think. 1153 00:49:04,001 --> 00:49:05,441 - Hey, what's your name? - Katie. 1154 00:49:05,481 --> 00:49:07,001 - And your name? - Billy. 1155 00:49:07,041 --> 00:49:08,841 Billy and Katie. Sounds a little bit like a... 1156 00:49:08,881 --> 00:49:10,121 MICHAEL: Craig. Craig. 1157 00:49:10,161 --> 00:49:12,160 I'm sorry to have to cut you off there. 1158 00:49:12,201 --> 00:49:15,601 In fact, I've just heard that we've got to go back to Sarah. 1159 00:49:15,641 --> 00:49:17,881 Sarah's got something important for us. 1160 00:49:17,921 --> 00:49:19,321 Sarah? 1161 00:49:19,361 --> 00:49:20,841 Yes, what is it? 1162 00:49:20,881 --> 00:49:22,441 What have you got? 1163 00:49:22,481 --> 00:49:24,401 Yeah, we definitely got something here. Just look at this. 1164 00:49:25,601 --> 00:49:27,321 Now, can you see this? 1165 00:49:27,361 --> 00:49:29,001 MICHAEL: I certainly can, clearly. 1166 00:49:29,041 --> 00:49:30,881 SARAH: Well, there's no way it could've gotten there. 1167 00:49:30,921 --> 00:49:33,521 I thought maybe an old tomcat had got in or something. 1168 00:49:33,561 --> 00:49:35,401 DR PASCOE: Sarah, when did you see this? 1169 00:49:35,441 --> 00:49:38,321 Well, I took Suzanne up to bed... 1170 00:49:38,361 --> 00:49:40,441 In fact, all of us went upstairs. 1171 00:49:40,481 --> 00:49:43,401 Erm, nobody was down here at all. 1172 00:49:43,401 --> 00:49:45,401 Ten minutes ago, it wasn't here. 1173 00:49:45,401 --> 00:49:47,361 DR PASCOE: Sarah, have you got a handkerchief? 1174 00:49:47,401 --> 00:49:49,361 Can you see if the light fitting is working? 1175 00:49:49,401 --> 00:49:50,441 Thanks. That's great. 1176 00:49:50,481 --> 00:49:52,441 Yeah, we'll do that for you. 1177 00:49:52,481 --> 00:49:54,841 Better turn the light off first, hadn't I? 1178 00:49:54,841 --> 00:49:56,441 All right. Okay. 1179 00:49:57,561 --> 00:49:58,561 Here we go. 1180 00:50:00,241 --> 00:50:02,801 I'll put this. This is strong enough to hold me. 1181 00:50:03,881 --> 00:50:05,001 There we are. [EXHALES] 1182 00:50:06,561 --> 00:50:08,121 - DR PASCOE: Anything? - Er... 1183 00:50:08,161 --> 00:50:09,801 There's nothing dripped off here, first of all. 1184 00:50:09,841 --> 00:50:11,321 DR PASCOE: No stains on the ceiling? 1185 00:50:11,361 --> 00:50:12,481 Just see, if there's anything? 1186 00:50:12,521 --> 00:50:14,401 DR PASCOE: No? 1187 00:50:14,441 --> 00:50:16,841 - Forced concrete. - SARAH: No, this is all completely dry. 1188 00:50:16,881 --> 00:50:19,561 DR PASCOE: So, it couldn't come from below. Is there any smell, Sarah? 1189 00:50:19,601 --> 00:50:21,201 SARAH: No, nothing. 1190 00:50:21,241 --> 00:50:23,281 DR PASCOE: Can you smell the hanky, maybe? 1191 00:50:23,321 --> 00:50:25,001 See if there's anything on that now. 1192 00:50:25,001 --> 00:50:26,241 Any odour? 1193 00:50:26,281 --> 00:50:28,041 The hanky? [SNIFFS] 1194 00:50:28,081 --> 00:50:30,241 No, no, can't smell anything at all. 1195 00:50:30,281 --> 00:50:32,441 DR PASCOE: No. Can you take a sample for us? 1196 00:50:32,481 --> 00:50:33,921 Have you got anything that you could... 1197 00:50:33,961 --> 00:50:36,041 Yeah, er, what can we use for a sample? 1198 00:50:36,081 --> 00:50:37,921 Something to swipe it up. 1199 00:50:37,961 --> 00:50:39,880 CHRIS: I got a lens duster. 1200 00:50:39,921 --> 00:50:41,601 DR PASCOE: All right, that would do. 1201 00:50:41,641 --> 00:50:43,521 Yeah, we're gonna use this to... Can I give you this hanky? 1202 00:50:43,561 --> 00:50:45,201 Great. There. 1203 00:50:45,241 --> 00:50:48,800 See if we can suck some of whatever it is up with this. 1204 00:50:48,841 --> 00:50:50,201 Here we are. 1205 00:50:50,201 --> 00:50:51,961 DR PASCOE: You see, look, it's typical. 1206 00:50:52,001 --> 00:50:53,601 It's typical poltergeist. 1207 00:50:53,641 --> 00:50:56,241 If you pour water from a jug, it's almost impossible to... 1208 00:50:56,281 --> 00:50:57,961 To avoid getting an erratic outline. 1209 00:50:58,001 --> 00:51:00,601 Now these pools are perfectly oval, they're unbroken. 1210 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,400 - SARAH: Good. - [SUZANNE COUGHS] 1211 00:51:04,401 --> 00:51:05,841 SARAH: Oh, Suzanne. 1212 00:51:05,881 --> 00:51:07,281 MICHAEL: Is she all right? 1213 00:51:07,321 --> 00:51:08,601 SARAH: You okay? 1214 00:51:08,601 --> 00:51:10,321 Yeah, I've just got a bit of a nippy tummy. 1215 00:51:10,361 --> 00:51:13,841 SARAH: Oh, let me get you some Eno or something, hang on. 1216 00:51:13,881 --> 00:51:18,481 Doctor, when they've got those samples that we saw them taking there, 1217 00:51:18,521 --> 00:51:21,281 er, what do you do with them when you get the sample? 1218 00:51:21,321 --> 00:51:23,881 Well, we'll test it to see if the calcium and the magnesium salts 1219 00:51:23,921 --> 00:51:26,041 match the hardness of the local tap water. 1220 00:51:26,081 --> 00:51:27,841 And where does it come from? 1221 00:51:28,481 --> 00:51:29,481 Don't know. 1222 00:51:39,081 --> 00:51:40,201 Can't get any water out. 1223 00:51:41,841 --> 00:51:43,201 [BANGING] 1224 00:51:43,241 --> 00:51:44,361 [SCREAMS] 1225 00:51:44,401 --> 00:51:45,401 [LAUGHS] 1226 00:51:49,121 --> 00:51:50,921 [SIGHS] Can't get it off now. 1227 00:51:53,121 --> 00:51:54,601 There we are, soaked. 1228 00:51:55,521 --> 00:51:57,041 There you are, Suzanne. 1229 00:51:57,081 --> 00:51:59,881 Sorry I'm all wet. Let's go upstairs, shall we? 1230 00:51:59,921 --> 00:52:01,841 Can I ask you now, Dr Pascoe... 1231 00:52:01,881 --> 00:52:04,201 We've had a look at what's been happening there in the house. 1232 00:52:04,241 --> 00:52:06,481 What, in fact, do you make of what we see? 1233 00:52:06,521 --> 00:52:09,041 Well, poltergeist activity has a pattern... 1234 00:52:09,081 --> 00:52:11,401 A menu if you like, erm... 1235 00:52:11,401 --> 00:52:14,481 First, there are the noises, the sounds and then water. 1236 00:52:14,521 --> 00:52:19,401 And then the third stage is physical phenomenon, moving objects. 1237 00:52:19,401 --> 00:52:21,561 And did you think that in fact what we're seeing there 1238 00:52:21,601 --> 00:52:24,041 is something starting to happen in Foxhill Drive? 1239 00:52:24,081 --> 00:52:25,841 Well, who knows. 1240 00:52:25,841 --> 00:52:27,961 MICHAEL: Well, we shall all find out. No doubt. 1241 00:52:28,001 --> 00:52:29,521 Things have been happening in our phone rooms. 1242 00:52:29,561 --> 00:52:31,841 We've got another caller on the line now. 1243 00:52:31,841 --> 00:52:34,041 He's Kevin Trip, from Neath. 1244 00:52:34,081 --> 00:52:35,561 Pick up your phone there, please, Doctor, 1245 00:52:35,601 --> 00:52:37,400 let's talk to Kevin. 1246 00:52:37,441 --> 00:52:38,841 - Hello, Kevin. - KEVIN: Hello. 1247 00:52:38,881 --> 00:52:40,561 MICHAEL: Yeah, hello. KEVIN: Hello. 1248 00:52:40,601 --> 00:52:42,281 MICHAEL: Do you have a story for us? 1249 00:52:42,321 --> 00:52:44,121 KEVIN: Yeah, can you hear me? 1250 00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:45,881 Yes, yes. I can hear you fine. 1251 00:52:45,921 --> 00:52:48,841 KEVIN: Yeah, I was just sitting here and stuff, er... 1252 00:52:48,841 --> 00:52:50,321 You ain't gonna believe this, I'm telling you. 1253 00:52:50,361 --> 00:52:52,081 Well, you try us, Kevin. 1254 00:52:52,121 --> 00:52:54,281 KEVIN: Well, my mates were round to watch the videos 1255 00:52:54,321 --> 00:52:57,961 and we put on the programmes about ten minutes ago. 1256 00:52:58,001 --> 00:53:00,001 Erm, I had this sandwich, 1257 00:53:00,001 --> 00:53:01,961 cheese and pickle sandwich it was. 1258 00:53:02,001 --> 00:53:05,000 - Oh, yes. - KEVIN: And it frightened me to buggery, it did. 1259 00:53:05,001 --> 00:53:09,561 I was minding my own business and this dirty grey plate sitting on the arm of my chair 1260 00:53:09,601 --> 00:53:11,441 - just dived off. - MICHAEL: Sure, Kevin. 1261 00:53:11,481 --> 00:53:13,481 None of us nowhere near it or nothing, mind. 1262 00:53:13,521 --> 00:53:16,921 It just leapt off with a mind of its bloody own, it did. 1263 00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:20,401 Kevin, erm... How close were you to the plate? 1264 00:53:20,441 --> 00:53:22,001 KEVIN: Miles away. 1265 00:53:22,001 --> 00:53:26,321 My mates, er, they went white, they went. 1266 00:53:26,361 --> 00:53:30,441 Yes, yes. All right, Kevin, I think I get the picture, certainly. 1267 00:53:30,481 --> 00:53:33,361 Thank you very much, indeed for calling. 1268 00:53:33,401 --> 00:53:36,201 I suppose in fact we should have been prepared for that. 1269 00:53:36,201 --> 00:53:39,401 I mean, it's Halloween night, home brew time and all that. 1270 00:53:39,441 --> 00:53:42,561 I can see you're not as sceptical as I am, Doctor, that's all right. 1271 00:53:42,601 --> 00:53:44,481 But really, serious calls, please. 1272 00:53:44,521 --> 00:53:46,241 The lines are still open 1273 00:53:46,281 --> 00:53:48,561 and we've got time for just one other call, I think. 1274 00:53:49,401 --> 00:53:51,600 No, in fact, we haven't. 1275 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,440 I'm sorry, apparently we've got to go straight back to Foxhill Drive, where... 1276 00:53:54,481 --> 00:53:56,201 Things are happening, so... 1277 00:53:56,201 --> 00:53:57,601 ...from here wasn't it? Did you hear? 1278 00:53:57,641 --> 00:53:58,880 Yes, this way. 1279 00:54:00,081 --> 00:54:01,401 Are you picking this up too? 1280 00:54:01,441 --> 00:54:03,441 Just put the light on. 1281 00:54:03,481 --> 00:54:06,001 [BREATHING HEAVILY] You're going to have to be... Get it out here. 1282 00:54:06,881 --> 00:54:08,081 MIKE A: Move the bed. 1283 00:54:08,121 --> 00:54:09,281 SARAH: I'll get that. 1284 00:54:11,401 --> 00:54:13,440 Are you all right? 1285 00:54:13,481 --> 00:54:15,401 Listen, I'll crawl down there, all right? 1286 00:54:15,401 --> 00:54:16,841 [SCRATCHING NOISES] 1287 00:54:16,881 --> 00:54:18,601 Some scratching down here. 1288 00:54:18,641 --> 00:54:19,841 [SCRATCHING STOPS] 1289 00:54:22,601 --> 00:54:24,161 [MUFFLED FOOTSTEPS] 1290 00:54:25,161 --> 00:54:26,201 It's moved. 1291 00:54:29,001 --> 00:54:31,041 MIKE A: It's in the wardrobe. 1292 00:54:31,081 --> 00:54:32,281 Let's just get this out of the way. 1293 00:54:35,361 --> 00:54:36,521 Can you hear this? 1294 00:54:38,001 --> 00:54:39,521 - I can't get it open. - [BANGING] 1295 00:54:39,561 --> 00:54:42,201 [KIDS SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY] 1296 00:54:42,201 --> 00:54:43,401 We can hear him in the kitchen! 1297 00:54:43,401 --> 00:54:45,841 [ALL YELLING SIMULTANEOUSLY] 1298 00:54:45,881 --> 00:54:47,201 You just go back to bed. 1299 00:54:47,241 --> 00:54:48,480 [BANGING] 1300 00:54:48,521 --> 00:54:51,281 Back into bed. It's downstairs. Come on. 1301 00:54:51,321 --> 00:54:52,841 [BANGING] 1302 00:54:56,521 --> 00:54:59,841 It stopped. I can't hear anything now. 1303 00:55:02,001 --> 00:55:03,081 What are these? 1304 00:55:03,921 --> 00:55:05,401 [PANTING] 1305 00:55:11,001 --> 00:55:13,241 It's all kids' pictures. They weren't here before. 1306 00:55:13,281 --> 00:55:15,321 - [CAT MEOWS] - [EXCLAIMS] 1307 00:55:15,361 --> 00:55:17,081 [BREATHING HEAVILY] 1308 00:55:17,121 --> 00:55:18,841 I didn't know they had a cat. 1309 00:55:18,841 --> 00:55:19,881 Did you? 1310 00:55:22,841 --> 00:55:25,361 - I don't know what to do. Should we go back upstairs... - MIKE A: Shh! 1311 00:55:25,401 --> 00:55:26,401 Shh! 1312 00:55:36,401 --> 00:55:39,081 [LOUD BANGING] 1313 00:55:39,121 --> 00:55:41,561 Upstairs. Children. Come on. 1314 00:55:41,601 --> 00:55:43,841 MICHAEL: Er, Sarah, stay where you are, please. 1315 00:55:43,881 --> 00:55:46,001 Sarah, stay there. Please, don't go upstairs. 1316 00:55:46,041 --> 00:55:48,281 Why? 1317 00:55:48,321 --> 00:55:49,601 MICHAEL: Because we hear that Suzanne's got out of bed but she's not yet... 1318 00:55:49,641 --> 00:55:51,161 Stay here? I don't know why. 1319 00:55:51,201 --> 00:55:53,201 MICHAEL: She's not appeared on the landing. 1320 00:55:53,241 --> 00:55:55,401 SARAH: Suzanne. Where... Where is she? 1321 00:55:56,241 --> 00:55:58,401 [BANGING CONTINUES] 1322 00:55:58,401 --> 00:56:00,241 DR PASCOE: It could be a piece of its usual misdirection. I just... 1323 00:56:00,281 --> 00:56:01,441 Trust me, Sarah. 1324 00:56:01,481 --> 00:56:02,521 Stay there. 1325 00:56:02,561 --> 00:56:03,561 [BANGING CONTINUES] 1326 00:56:07,121 --> 00:56:08,601 Suzanne must still be in the bedroom. 1327 00:56:08,601 --> 00:56:10,361 MICHAEL: But where? 1328 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,920 DR PASCOE: Perhaps out of camera range, right in the corner of the room. 1329 00:56:13,961 --> 00:56:15,561 Can we cut to the wall camera? 1330 00:56:15,601 --> 00:56:19,201 No, sorry. Sorry, the landing camera. 1331 00:56:19,241 --> 00:56:21,201 No, the landing on the door. 1332 00:56:21,241 --> 00:56:23,841 - [BANGING CONTINUES] - The other landing. That's it, and zoom in. 1333 00:56:24,521 --> 00:56:25,961 Can we pan? 1334 00:56:26,001 --> 00:56:27,241 Can we pan left? 1335 00:56:28,201 --> 00:56:29,201 And down. 1336 00:56:30,121 --> 00:56:32,361 [BANGING CONTINUES] 1337 00:56:32,401 --> 00:56:33,401 MICHAEL: Okay. 1338 00:56:35,201 --> 00:56:36,841 - [SCREAMING] - SARAH: Kimmy! 1339 00:56:39,121 --> 00:56:40,121 Come on. 1340 00:56:42,601 --> 00:56:44,001 Kimmy. 1341 00:56:44,041 --> 00:56:46,361 Suzanne, are you okay? 1342 00:56:46,401 --> 00:56:47,961 Are you all right? Come on. 1343 00:56:48,001 --> 00:56:49,521 - It wasn't me. - It doesn't matter. 1344 00:56:49,561 --> 00:56:51,521 - It wasn't me! - It doesn't matter! 1345 00:56:58,601 --> 00:57:00,241 MICHAEL: Oh, that's, that's quite extraordinary. 1346 00:57:00,281 --> 00:57:02,601 We set out to catch a ghost and... 1347 00:57:02,601 --> 00:57:06,041 And sadly, very sadly, what we witnessed was a remarkable 1348 00:57:06,081 --> 00:57:07,561 exposure of a hoax. 1349 00:57:07,601 --> 00:57:08,841 Let's not be too hasty. 1350 00:57:08,841 --> 00:57:10,881 Oh, come on, Doctor. Please, 1351 00:57:10,921 --> 00:57:12,201 - we've surely got to accept we saw it there. - DR PASCOE: No, I don't. 1352 00:57:12,201 --> 00:57:14,241 Look, this is an established pan. 1353 00:57:14,281 --> 00:57:16,321 Genuine phenomena followed by the fakery stage 1354 00:57:16,361 --> 00:57:18,361 when the children feel obliged to come up with the goods. 1355 00:57:18,401 --> 00:57:19,601 Doctor, really? 1356 00:57:19,641 --> 00:57:22,001 I'm sorry, because... 1357 00:57:22,001 --> 00:57:24,001 Well, I mean, after eight months of commitment 1358 00:57:24,041 --> 00:57:25,921 and connected work like you've been through, 1359 00:57:25,961 --> 00:57:28,041 I can understand you feel upset because you've been duped. 1360 00:57:28,081 --> 00:57:30,521 I'd be the first to admit it if it was absolutely sure I had been duped. 1361 00:57:30,561 --> 00:57:31,841 Oh, Doctor, really... 1362 00:57:31,881 --> 00:57:33,041 Please don't be simplistic. 1363 00:57:33,081 --> 00:57:34,601 This is one incident amongst many. 1364 00:57:34,641 --> 00:57:36,001 Many dozens. 1365 00:57:36,041 --> 00:57:37,521 I was there. I've seen them. 1366 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,520 I've seen inexplicable things. 1367 00:57:39,561 --> 00:57:41,881 One- hundred percent, no question. 1368 00:57:41,921 --> 00:57:42,921 And this? 1369 00:57:44,481 --> 00:57:46,561 Let's not get sidetracked, please. 1370 00:57:46,601 --> 00:57:48,961 Let... Let's not lose the scent. 1371 00:57:50,481 --> 00:57:53,201 Maybe there's a kind of... 1372 00:57:53,201 --> 00:57:56,521 Ritualistic reason, it's like sympathetic magic. 1373 00:57:56,561 --> 00:57:58,001 Acting out what they want to happen. 1374 00:57:58,001 --> 00:57:59,201 The invoking process 1375 00:57:59,201 --> 00:58:01,001 that proceeds the genuine appearance. 1376 00:58:01,041 --> 00:58:03,281 Doctor, before we get too involved in that kind of jargon, 1377 00:58:03,321 --> 00:58:05,601 let's see what Suzanne has to say about this. 1378 00:58:05,641 --> 00:58:08,441 She might... Sarah, is Suzanne able to speak to us? 1379 00:58:08,481 --> 00:58:10,401 Suzanne needs a glass of water right now. 1380 00:58:11,601 --> 00:58:13,161 DR PASCOE: Can I talk to her? 1381 00:58:13,201 --> 00:58:14,841 MICHAEL: Well, I think I'd like to talk to her first of all 1382 00:58:14,841 --> 00:58:15,881 if you don't mind. 1383 00:58:15,921 --> 00:58:17,201 Where's my mum? 1384 00:58:17,241 --> 00:58:18,841 MICHAEL: Suzanne, I'd like to talk to you. 1385 00:58:18,881 --> 00:58:21,521 Did you put the writing in your schoolbook? 1386 00:58:21,561 --> 00:58:23,561 SUZANNE: [TEARFULLY] I don't want to talk about it. 1387 00:58:23,601 --> 00:58:25,841 MICHAEL: What about the noises in the wall? 1388 00:58:25,841 --> 00:58:27,841 SUZANNE: I don't want to talk about it! 1389 00:58:27,881 --> 00:58:30,321 MICHAEL: What about the scratches on your face, Suzanne? 1390 00:58:32,121 --> 00:58:34,561 - [SOBS] Mum. - It's all right, child. Your mum's here. 1391 00:58:34,601 --> 00:58:36,201 Doesn't matter. Can you look at me? 1392 00:58:36,241 --> 00:58:38,361 DR PASCOE: Why, Suzie? You can tell me. 1393 00:58:38,401 --> 00:58:40,321 SUZANNE: To show them. 1394 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,880 DR PASCOE: Well, you didn't have to show them. Not like this. 1395 00:58:42,921 --> 00:58:44,841 Hmm? Why? 1396 00:58:48,001 --> 00:58:50,001 Tell them you don't tell lies, Suzie. 1397 00:58:52,961 --> 00:58:54,321 It's all a mistake. 1398 00:58:54,361 --> 00:58:56,041 She doesn't know what... She doesn't know anything. 1399 00:58:56,081 --> 00:58:57,160 Do you, love? 1400 00:58:57,201 --> 00:58:59,001 I thought you'd leave us. 1401 00:58:59,001 --> 00:59:00,201 DR PASCOE: You thought I'd leave you? 1402 00:59:00,241 --> 00:59:02,841 All we were, were noises to you. 1403 00:59:02,881 --> 00:59:04,521 DR PASCOE: And you lied to make us stay? 1404 00:59:04,561 --> 00:59:05,841 Sometimes. 1405 00:59:05,841 --> 00:59:07,201 MICHAEL: Only sometimes? 1406 00:59:07,241 --> 00:59:09,041 It was what you wanted, wasn't it? 1407 00:59:09,081 --> 00:59:11,321 We just gave you what you wanted! 1408 00:59:11,361 --> 00:59:12,481 KIM: Stop it! 1409 00:59:14,241 --> 00:59:16,001 MICHAEL: Mrs Early, you've heard your daughter. 1410 00:59:16,041 --> 00:59:18,561 She's admitted the entire thing was a deliberate fraud. 1411 00:59:18,601 --> 00:59:21,120 No, I'm sorry, I don't accept that. 1412 00:59:21,161 --> 00:59:24,121 Dr Pascoe has seen in her things, same as me. 1413 00:59:24,161 --> 00:59:26,201 - You can't just... - MICHAEL: But... 1414 00:59:26,201 --> 00:59:28,521 Well, she's afraid, she's frightened. 1415 00:59:28,561 --> 00:59:32,001 - She doesn't know anything. - MICHAEL: But, Suzanne herself explained, Mrs Early. 1416 00:59:32,001 --> 00:59:34,041 My family are telling the truth. 1417 00:59:34,081 --> 00:59:35,561 We're all telling the truth. 1418 00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:50,841 Well, fortunately, after this turn of events, 1419 00:59:50,881 --> 00:59:53,561 we're able to return to Dr Emilio Sylvestri. 1420 00:59:53,601 --> 00:59:57,001 Dr Sylvestri, who's in New York, joins us again now. 1421 00:59:57,041 --> 00:59:59,961 Dr Sylvestri, I imagine you're about to say, 1422 01:00:00,001 --> 01:00:01,081 "I told you so." 1423 01:00:01,881 --> 01:00:03,521 Well... [CHUCKLES] 1424 01:00:03,561 --> 01:00:05,521 I... I don't get any vicarious thrill 1425 01:00:05,561 --> 01:00:07,841 out of seeing parapsychology crucified in public. 1426 01:00:07,881 --> 01:00:09,481 But it does... 1427 01:00:09,521 --> 01:00:11,001 Validate my hypothesis. 1428 01:00:11,001 --> 01:00:13,361 Hmm, what hypothesis? 1429 01:00:13,401 --> 01:00:15,401 These are disturbed attention- seekers... 1430 01:00:15,401 --> 01:00:17,001 Oh, rubbish. 1431 01:00:17,001 --> 01:00:19,401 We... [SNICKERS]. You played into their hands. 1432 01:00:19,401 --> 01:00:22,441 Primetime TV Alice in Wonderland, couldn't take it any more, they... 1433 01:00:22,481 --> 01:00:25,801 - End of illusion... - This is not the end, please believe me. 1434 01:00:25,841 --> 01:00:29,881 I almost... I almost feel, whatever is in there, it's 1435 01:00:29,921 --> 01:00:32,081 deliberately muddying the waters. 1436 01:00:32,121 --> 01:00:35,321 Well, Dr Pascoe, thank you. And Dr Sylvestri, thank you, too, for joining us 1437 01:00:35,361 --> 01:00:38,081 from New York. Thank you and... And good night to you. 1438 01:00:38,121 --> 01:00:40,201 A lot of activity in our phone room. 1439 01:00:40,241 --> 01:00:44,161 You won't be amazed to hear that after what we've just seen in Foxhill Drive. 1440 01:00:44,201 --> 01:00:46,601 Er, Mike Smith, what's happening? What's the story? 1441 01:00:46,641 --> 01:00:48,961 [HESITATINGLY] Well, the strange thing is 1442 01:00:49,001 --> 01:00:52,321 that we're still getting calls about that shadowy figure, 1443 01:00:52,361 --> 01:00:54,160 that was seen in the haunted bedroom 1444 01:00:54,201 --> 01:00:56,241 or people think they've seen in the haunted bedroom. Now... 1445 01:00:56,281 --> 01:00:59,161 What's really weird is that these are all tallying with the description. 1446 01:00:59,201 --> 01:01:00,961 These are all different phone calls. 1447 01:01:01,001 --> 01:01:03,080 They're, generally, all saying that it's an old man 1448 01:01:03,121 --> 01:01:04,281 or a woman. 1449 01:01:04,321 --> 01:01:07,161 Er, bald with a skull- like head, 1450 01:01:07,201 --> 01:01:08,401 dark eyes, 1451 01:01:08,441 --> 01:01:11,001 or some are just saying, "Holes for eyes." 1452 01:01:11,041 --> 01:01:15,241 Wearing a black robe or a dress which is buttoned up to the neck. 1453 01:01:15,281 --> 01:01:17,081 So, if anybody's seen this gentleman tonight... 1454 01:01:17,121 --> 01:01:20,161 Michael, I'm sorry to interrupt, but this is important. 1455 01:01:20,201 --> 01:01:23,081 Er, can somebody in the gallery, tell me if it's possible 1456 01:01:23,121 --> 01:01:25,841 to access the tape interviews I've shot at the university, please. 1457 01:01:25,881 --> 01:01:27,961 I'm sure, I'm sure it will be, yes, erm... 1458 01:01:28,001 --> 01:01:30,081 In view of what's happened there's a sequence I need to find, urgently. 1459 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,200 Yeah, they're saying they can... They can get to it 1460 01:01:32,201 --> 01:01:34,241 sometime further on the programme. 1461 01:01:34,281 --> 01:01:36,201 Yes, okay. We can do that for you. 1462 01:01:36,201 --> 01:01:39,841 Erm, in the meantime we'll have another Ghostwatch story. 1463 01:01:39,841 --> 01:01:42,961 And then after that, I'd like to hear your opinion 1464 01:01:43,001 --> 01:01:46,321 on what we saw, a moment ago, in Foxhill Drive. 1465 01:01:46,361 --> 01:01:48,201 Is all of this, all of this, a hoax 1466 01:01:48,241 --> 01:01:50,401 or as Dr Pascoe believes, 1467 01:01:50,441 --> 01:01:53,601 are things just about beginning to happen? 1468 01:01:53,641 --> 01:01:57,601 Well, call me after this true ghost story, coming up now. 1469 01:01:57,641 --> 01:01:59,201 When I was about eleven or twelve, 1470 01:01:59,241 --> 01:02:02,401 we moved to this large, old Devonshire house. 1471 01:02:02,441 --> 01:02:06,360 And part of the house is a lot older than the other part of the house. 1472 01:02:06,401 --> 01:02:08,561 And it had a nasty feeling. 1473 01:02:08,601 --> 01:02:09,961 It was cold. 1474 01:02:10,001 --> 01:02:11,881 Erm, things... 1475 01:02:11,921 --> 01:02:16,841 Doors opened, things fell off the wall, ornaments shattered, 1476 01:02:16,841 --> 01:02:19,001 and generally, it didn't have a nice feeling. 1477 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,400 Erm, my bedroom was in part of that house. 1478 01:02:21,401 --> 01:02:25,521 Part of that, old part of the house. And, er... 1479 01:02:25,561 --> 01:02:28,441 Shadows would move at the end of my bed. 1480 01:02:28,481 --> 01:02:30,601 So, I asked for a night light. 1481 01:02:30,601 --> 01:02:33,081 I asked a grown- up, I think it was my grandmother. 1482 01:02:33,121 --> 01:02:36,321 Erm... Which made the situation worse in a way, because... 1483 01:02:36,361 --> 01:02:37,921 [AUDIO SLOWING DOWN] 1484 01:02:39,321 --> 01:02:41,481 - [TAPE REWINDING] - ...in a way. 1485 01:02:41,521 --> 01:02:44,441 Wait, wait. Can we just clear the set? [SNICKERS] 1486 01:02:44,481 --> 01:02:47,601 Yeah, well something's gone very wrong with that ghost story, 1487 01:02:47,601 --> 01:02:50,481 probably a poltergeist. What do you think, Dr Pascoe? 1488 01:02:50,521 --> 01:02:53,961 Anyway, erm, we'll try to get back to that, er... 1489 01:02:54,001 --> 01:02:57,561 Before the end of the programme. Er, meanwhile, what do we do? 1490 01:02:57,601 --> 01:02:59,881 We go back to your calls, that's what we'll do. 1491 01:02:59,921 --> 01:03:01,481 Erm, Mike Smith? 1492 01:03:01,521 --> 01:03:03,961 [HESITATING] Erm, the only one I got for you at the moment, 1493 01:03:04,001 --> 01:03:06,201 is this woman, try... Try her. 1494 01:03:06,201 --> 01:03:08,281 She wants to remain anonymous. 1495 01:03:08,321 --> 01:03:10,921 Wants to take part in the programme, but insists on anonymity. Try her. 1496 01:03:10,961 --> 01:03:12,481 Okay, Mike, thanks. Doctor, pick the phone up. 1497 01:03:13,961 --> 01:03:15,841 - Hello? - WOMAN: [ON PHONE] Hello. 1498 01:03:15,841 --> 01:03:17,321 - Yes. - WOMAN: Hello, am I on? 1499 01:03:17,361 --> 01:03:21,081 Yes, You're, er... You're on BBC One's Ghostwatch. 1500 01:03:21,121 --> 01:03:22,441 Now, what do you want to tell me about? 1501 01:03:24,201 --> 01:03:27,281 WOMAN: [SIGHS] We've got this big glass table. 1502 01:03:27,321 --> 01:03:31,561 My husband just rested one finger on it and it exploded. 1503 01:03:31,601 --> 01:03:33,361 Glass everywhere, 1504 01:03:33,401 --> 01:03:35,841 his face and hands were cut. 1505 01:03:35,841 --> 01:03:37,361 There's blood on the wallpaper. 1506 01:03:38,441 --> 01:03:41,001 The ambulance is just gone. 1507 01:03:41,001 --> 01:03:43,481 My children are frightened. Why are you doing this? 1508 01:03:43,521 --> 01:03:46,841 Now look, I am sure your children are in shock. Er... 1509 01:03:46,841 --> 01:03:49,561 Also want to say, I think, it's high time, probably, 1510 01:03:49,601 --> 01:03:51,161 that your kids are in bed. 1511 01:03:51,201 --> 01:03:53,161 I mean, it is past the 9:00 watershed, isn't it? 1512 01:03:53,201 --> 01:03:55,241 WOMAN: That's it. That's just it. 1513 01:03:55,281 --> 01:03:56,841 They won't go to bed. 1514 01:03:56,881 --> 01:03:59,321 I can't drag them away from the TV. 1515 01:03:59,361 --> 01:04:00,921 I tell them to look at what time it is 1516 01:04:00,961 --> 01:04:03,481 but the clock still shows 9:30. 1517 01:04:03,521 --> 01:04:05,201 Excuse me, have all your clocks stopped? 1518 01:04:05,201 --> 01:04:07,601 WOMAN: I don't know what's going on. 1519 01:04:07,601 --> 01:04:10,041 They won't take their eyes, off the set. 1520 01:04:10,081 --> 01:04:12,281 [CRYING] And there's blood... 1521 01:04:12,321 --> 01:04:14,401 There's blood all over the wallpaper. 1522 01:04:14,401 --> 01:04:17,441 Look, love, it's Halloween. They're overexcited. 1523 01:04:17,481 --> 01:04:20,081 Er, you've had a terrible accident. Now... 1524 01:04:20,121 --> 01:04:24,921 Now, please, would you switch off the TV and please, send your kids to bed. 1525 01:04:24,961 --> 01:04:27,121 Thanks for calling us, but we've got to move on. Thank you, love. 1526 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,600 No, don't let her... 1527 01:04:28,601 --> 01:04:30,201 I'm sorry, she's gone. 1528 01:04:30,241 --> 01:04:32,961 Erm, listen, please... 1529 01:04:33,001 --> 01:04:34,841 If you're still there. 1530 01:04:34,841 --> 01:04:37,961 Don't touch anything, and if you can, take a photograph. 1531 01:04:38,001 --> 01:04:40,001 Now, this is very valuable evidence. 1532 01:04:40,041 --> 01:04:42,001 I've got to say to everyone watching. 1533 01:04:42,041 --> 01:04:45,881 Please, please, we don't want to give anybody sleepless nights. 1534 01:04:45,921 --> 01:04:47,401 We don't want to start panic. 1535 01:04:47,401 --> 01:04:49,241 Don't let your imaginations run riot. 1536 01:04:49,281 --> 01:04:52,401 These things we're talking about are very, very rare, indeed. 1537 01:04:52,401 --> 01:04:56,401 And the chance of them happening to you are exceedingly remote. 1538 01:04:56,401 --> 01:04:58,321 Er, please, believe us. 1539 01:04:58,361 --> 01:05:02,001 Right, now I think that Dr Pascoe, that that tape you wanted, 1540 01:05:02,041 --> 01:05:05,401 that interview you did some months ago with Kim Early, 1541 01:05:05,401 --> 01:05:07,560 I think that's ready now. I think we can go to it. 1542 01:05:07,601 --> 01:05:09,401 It's coming up now. There you are. 1543 01:05:09,401 --> 01:05:11,841 So, have ever seen him then, Kimmy? 1544 01:05:11,841 --> 01:05:14,201 Pipes? Yeah. 1545 01:05:14,241 --> 01:05:16,481 And what does he look like? Can you describe him to me, then? 1546 01:05:18,041 --> 01:05:20,201 Well, he's really old. 1547 01:05:20,241 --> 01:05:26,401 And this eye's got all blood over his eye and scratch coming out and then... 1548 01:05:26,441 --> 01:05:28,841 - He's bald over his head. - Mmm- hmm. 1549 01:05:28,841 --> 01:05:30,521 And then he's got a nose. 1550 01:05:30,561 --> 01:05:33,841 And in the middle, it's got a scratch all the way down. 1551 01:05:33,881 --> 01:05:36,321 - Hmm. - In there. 1552 01:05:36,361 --> 01:05:38,481 - And he's got a dress on. A dress on. - Does he? 1553 01:05:38,521 --> 01:05:41,841 Yeah. It's really long and it's black. 1554 01:05:41,881 --> 01:05:44,601 - It's got buttons, all the way down. - Hmm. 1555 01:05:44,601 --> 01:05:47,201 - And then lots of petticoats underneath. - DR PASCOE: Can we replay it? 1556 01:05:47,241 --> 01:05:50,001 - MICHAEL: Sure, sure we can. - DR PASCOE: Back to the start of the description. 1557 01:05:50,041 --> 01:05:52,321 All right, can we roll it back, BTL? 1558 01:05:52,361 --> 01:05:53,441 Back to the start of it. 1559 01:05:53,481 --> 01:05:54,561 [TAPE REWINDING] 1560 01:05:54,601 --> 01:05:56,921 - There? - Well, he's really old. 1561 01:05:56,961 --> 01:06:03,601 And this eye's got all blood over his eye and scratch coming out and then... 1562 01:06:03,601 --> 01:06:05,561 - He's bald over his head. - Mmm- hmm. 1563 01:06:05,601 --> 01:06:09,841 Now, do you see what I mean? Kim's description exactly matches 1564 01:06:09,881 --> 01:06:11,841 what Mike's been getting on the phones. 1565 01:06:11,841 --> 01:06:13,201 "Old, man, 1566 01:06:13,241 --> 01:06:16,561 "bald, he's got a skull- like head, dark eyes, 1567 01:06:16,601 --> 01:06:18,081 "wearing a black dress." 1568 01:06:18,121 --> 01:06:20,161 - KIM: It's black. - She says it's black. 1569 01:06:20,201 --> 01:06:22,201 - KIM: All the way down. - Buttoned. 1570 01:06:22,241 --> 01:06:25,161 Well, could they have read the descriptions in a newspaper, perhaps? 1571 01:06:25,201 --> 01:06:28,041 There's been nothing in the newspapers, not containing that description. 1572 01:06:28,081 --> 01:06:31,001 It's not appeared in print one single time, I assure you. 1573 01:06:31,001 --> 01:06:32,921 Then what are you saying? 1574 01:06:32,961 --> 01:06:35,001 Well, we were drawn to assuming it was Suzanne at the centre of this 1575 01:06:35,001 --> 01:06:38,881 because she's at puberty, but what if she isn't? What if it's Kim? 1576 01:06:38,921 --> 01:06:41,401 - We've been looking at the wrong person. - DR PASCOE: Exactly. 1577 01:06:41,441 --> 01:06:43,041 Fascinating. [CHUCKLES] 1578 01:06:43,081 --> 01:06:45,161 Er, Sarah seems to be trying to get our attention, 1579 01:06:45,201 --> 01:06:47,281 er, quite agitated. Sarah, what is it? 1580 01:06:47,321 --> 01:06:49,840 Thank you. It's Pamela. Listen to this. 1581 01:06:51,481 --> 01:06:54,961 Cats. It's like cats. 1582 01:06:55,001 --> 01:06:57,401 - Can you hear it? - MICHAEL: Where, Pam? 1583 01:06:57,401 --> 01:07:00,201 It's all... It's all around us. 1584 01:07:00,241 --> 01:07:02,041 Like they're trapped, somewhere. Do you hear it? 1585 01:07:02,081 --> 01:07:03,361 [CAT MEOWING] 1586 01:07:03,401 --> 01:07:05,121 Cats running round up there on the ceiling. 1587 01:07:05,161 --> 01:07:06,401 - MICHAEL: Can you hear anything, Sarah? - Yes. 1588 01:07:06,401 --> 01:07:08,401 Yeah, I can hear it, now. She's right. 1589 01:07:08,441 --> 01:07:10,201 - KIM: Mum? - PAMELA: What is it, Kimmy? 1590 01:07:10,201 --> 01:07:11,521 [CATS MEOWING LOUDER] 1591 01:07:11,561 --> 01:07:13,201 KIM: What's wrong with Suzie? 1592 01:07:13,241 --> 01:07:14,881 What do you mean? What's wrong, Kimmy? 1593 01:07:21,281 --> 01:07:23,001 - PAMELA: Suzanne? - [SUZANNE MOANING] 1594 01:07:24,001 --> 01:07:26,001 SARAH: Suzanne, are you okay? 1595 01:07:26,001 --> 01:07:28,081 PAMELA: It's all right, love. Don't get upset, love. Your mum's here. 1596 01:07:28,121 --> 01:07:30,001 - [CRYING] Oh, dear God. - SARAH: Oh, God! 1597 01:07:32,601 --> 01:07:34,841 SARAH: What do you want us to do? 1598 01:07:34,841 --> 01:07:37,161 - MICHAEL: Sarah, Sarah? Are you all right? - What should we do? [GASPS] 1599 01:07:37,201 --> 01:07:40,561 - Get away! Get away from... - No Mum, they have to stay. They have to see everything. 1600 01:07:40,601 --> 01:07:43,401 DR PASCOE: Sarah, it's all right. Don't worry. 1601 01:07:43,441 --> 01:07:45,201 It's some kind off allergenic psychosomatic reaction. 1602 01:07:45,241 --> 01:07:47,001 MICHAEL: Could be self- mutilation. 1603 01:07:47,041 --> 01:07:48,841 She could've done it with her own fingernails, you know? 1604 01:07:48,841 --> 01:07:50,961 SARAH: They say that she used her own fingernails for this. 1605 01:07:51,001 --> 01:07:52,481 "Fingernails"? 1606 01:07:52,521 --> 01:07:54,001 What flaming fingernails? 1607 01:07:54,041 --> 01:07:56,161 [KIM CRIES OUT] 1608 01:07:56,201 --> 01:07:58,241 Now, what do you want us to do? 1609 01:07:58,281 --> 01:08:00,881 DR PASCOE: Sarah, don't worry. I've seen it before. It will subside. 1610 01:08:00,921 --> 01:08:02,601 Feel her temperature. 1611 01:08:02,601 --> 01:08:04,841 - SARAH: She's burning up. - Get off me. Don't touch me. 1612 01:08:04,841 --> 01:08:07,241 SARAH: It's like a meat locker in here. It's so cold. 1613 01:08:07,281 --> 01:08:09,001 Well, we can't move her, because she is in agony 1614 01:08:09,041 --> 01:08:10,280 and she won't even let me touch her. 1615 01:08:10,321 --> 01:08:11,881 SARAH: What do you want me to do. 1616 01:08:11,921 --> 01:08:14,561 PAMELA: Yeah, get a flannel and get some water. 1617 01:08:14,601 --> 01:08:16,441 SARAH: Yeah, come on. We'll get out of here, come on. 1618 01:08:22,001 --> 01:08:23,561 - Sorry, I didn't mean to drag you out. - CHRIS: It's okay. 1619 01:08:23,601 --> 01:08:25,080 I just think they need a bit of time, here. 1620 01:08:28,121 --> 01:08:29,401 - [GHOST SIGHS HEAVILY] - SARAH: Oh, God! 1621 01:08:29,441 --> 01:08:30,601 - CHRIS: What is it? - [GASPING] 1622 01:08:30,601 --> 01:08:32,081 SARAH: Behind the door. 1623 01:08:32,121 --> 01:08:34,041 SARAH: I... 1624 01:08:34,081 --> 01:08:37,601 I saw somebody standing behind the door. 1625 01:08:37,641 --> 01:08:38,841 CHRIS: Nobody there now. 1626 01:08:39,401 --> 01:08:40,401 Sorry. 1627 01:08:43,521 --> 01:08:46,921 - Pam, here we are. - KIM: Pipes says she's got to be punished. She's a bad girl. 1628 01:08:46,961 --> 01:08:48,241 It's all right. Just be quiet. 1629 01:08:50,481 --> 01:08:53,281 MIKE: Oh, good God. Sarah, should we send someone in, now? 1630 01:08:54,601 --> 01:08:56,841 SARAH: No, God knows how she'd react. 1631 01:08:56,841 --> 01:08:59,241 - Just let... Let's, let everything settle down now. - [SUZANNE MUMBLING] 1632 01:08:59,281 --> 01:09:03,481 - What, darling? - We've got to stay. Pipes says we've got to stay. 1633 01:09:03,521 --> 01:09:05,921 Okay, okay. 1634 01:09:05,961 --> 01:09:07,601 I should tell you, if you've joined 1635 01:09:07,601 --> 01:09:10,481 to see the next programme that in fact we're staying 1636 01:09:10,521 --> 01:09:14,321 with what we have here from Foxhill Drive, because the events are... 1637 01:09:14,361 --> 01:09:17,401 Are so remarkable and dramatic that we will be staying with them 1638 01:09:17,441 --> 01:09:19,241 for as long as we have to. 1639 01:09:22,121 --> 01:09:23,601 SARAH: Is it worse than it was before? 1640 01:09:27,441 --> 01:09:28,841 MICHAEL: Doctor, what about... 1641 01:09:29,601 --> 01:09:30,961 Your theory that... 1642 01:09:32,001 --> 01:09:34,481 In fact, Kimmy was the focus 1643 01:09:34,521 --> 01:09:37,081 for the poltergeist activity. 1644 01:09:37,121 --> 01:09:38,841 What does this mean, now? 1645 01:09:42,041 --> 01:09:43,321 DR PASCOE: Well, maybe they're both involved. 1646 01:09:44,841 --> 01:09:47,440 I mean, maybe it's like a tandem effect. 1647 01:09:47,481 --> 01:09:52,881 Kim's creating the energy and Suzanne's directing the violence in on herself. 1648 01:09:54,001 --> 01:09:55,201 First, Suzanne, 1649 01:09:56,161 --> 01:09:57,321 then Kimmy, 1650 01:09:58,001 --> 01:09:59,001 then this. 1651 01:09:59,841 --> 01:10:01,001 You don't know, do you? 1652 01:10:03,081 --> 01:10:04,401 No, I don't. 1653 01:10:04,401 --> 01:10:06,521 SARAH: You know what, darling... 1654 01:10:06,561 --> 01:10:08,281 MIKE: I've got to come in here. We've got a... 1655 01:10:08,321 --> 01:10:10,201 A very important phone call which I think 1656 01:10:10,241 --> 01:10:12,001 you both should take right now. 1657 01:10:12,401 --> 01:10:13,401 Doctor. 1658 01:10:15,001 --> 01:10:16,601 Er, hello, who am I talking to? 1659 01:10:16,641 --> 01:10:19,041 WOMAN: [ON PHONE] Oh, hello, my name is Mary Christopher. 1660 01:10:19,081 --> 01:10:22,001 And I just wanted to phone and tell you about this... 1661 01:10:22,001 --> 01:10:23,601 Well... About my mother, really. 1662 01:10:23,641 --> 01:10:27,201 We were Northolt born and bred. 1663 01:10:27,201 --> 01:10:31,001 And, erm, and as children, if we were naughty or couldn't get to sleep, 1664 01:10:31,041 --> 01:10:34,841 our mum used to say, "Mother Seddons will come to get you." 1665 01:10:34,881 --> 01:10:37,361 It used to scare us rigid. 1666 01:10:37,401 --> 01:10:39,121 I don't know why she'd... 1667 01:10:39,161 --> 01:10:41,161 Parents do do some awful and daft things, don't they, Mary? 1668 01:10:41,201 --> 01:10:42,481 MARY: Yeah, well, years later, 1669 01:10:42,521 --> 01:10:44,601 I found out that she really did exist. 1670 01:10:44,641 --> 01:10:47,401 And she was a baby farmer, like a child minder. 1671 01:10:47,401 --> 01:10:50,041 She used to take kids in, but she used to kill them. 1672 01:10:50,081 --> 01:10:53,041 And she'd drown them in the big coppers. 1673 01:10:53,081 --> 01:10:55,201 And why... Why I'm ringing is, 1674 01:10:55,241 --> 01:10:57,041 she used to live in one of the old terraces 1675 01:10:57,081 --> 01:10:59,521 in Foxhill by the railway as it was then, 1676 01:10:59,561 --> 01:11:01,281 and is now, Foxhill Drive, 1677 01:11:01,321 --> 01:11:05,881 and I'm just sure it's where those poor girls live now. 1678 01:11:05,921 --> 01:11:07,201 And really, that's all I have to say. 1679 01:11:07,201 --> 01:11:08,841 I just wanted to make sure you knew. 1680 01:11:08,881 --> 01:11:09,921 Thanks for your call, Mary. 1681 01:11:09,961 --> 01:11:11,921 Thanks very much for calling in. 1682 01:11:11,961 --> 01:11:13,201 Sarah, I wonder... 1683 01:11:13,241 --> 01:11:15,481 Sarah, Sarah, did you hear any of that? 1684 01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:16,561 Sarah, can you hear me? 1685 01:11:16,601 --> 01:11:18,161 Could I talk to Sarah, please? 1686 01:11:18,201 --> 01:11:20,841 Mike, it's all right. I can hear you. I'm fine. 1687 01:11:20,881 --> 01:11:23,401 Erm, Suzanne's feeling a bit better now. 1688 01:11:23,401 --> 01:11:26,601 But we still don't know how the scratches got on her face. 1689 01:11:26,641 --> 01:11:30,161 But, we feel it's probably best to get the girls out of the house now. 1690 01:11:30,201 --> 01:11:32,321 Er, things are still... 1691 01:11:32,361 --> 01:11:33,601 Feeling quite strange. 1692 01:11:33,641 --> 01:11:35,241 KIM: No, we're not! Get it off! 1693 01:11:35,281 --> 01:11:37,321 I've got to talk to somebody. 1694 01:11:39,481 --> 01:11:40,601 Kimmy? Who? 1695 01:11:43,201 --> 01:11:44,841 Kim, who're you talking to? 1696 01:11:46,321 --> 01:11:47,321 Pipes. 1697 01:11:48,921 --> 01:11:49,921 SARAH: Where's Pipes? 1698 01:11:51,001 --> 01:11:52,001 Here. 1699 01:11:53,241 --> 01:11:54,601 SARAH: What does he look like, Kimmy? 1700 01:11:56,121 --> 01:11:58,121 Like somebody's mum. 1701 01:11:58,161 --> 01:11:59,361 MICHAEL: I'd like both of those children out of that house. 1702 01:11:59,401 --> 01:12:01,201 - PAMELA: Kimmy, it's time to go. - No! 1703 01:12:01,241 --> 01:12:02,841 MICHAEL: I'd like somebody to take care of Suzanne as well. 1704 01:12:02,881 --> 01:12:04,881 Please, let's have the kids out of the house. 1705 01:12:04,921 --> 01:12:05,961 - I want to speak to Pipes. - Leave me alone. 1706 01:12:06,001 --> 01:12:07,201 I'm not a baby! 1707 01:12:07,241 --> 01:12:08,241 KIM: No, you lied, you said you'd stay. 1708 01:12:08,281 --> 01:12:09,481 SARAH: We will stay with you. 1709 01:12:09,521 --> 01:12:11,881 - [LOUD THUDDING] - SARAH: What was that? 1710 01:12:11,921 --> 01:12:13,161 KIM: Where're we going? SARAH: Come on. 1711 01:12:13,201 --> 01:12:15,201 SARAH: Just outside, come on. 1712 01:12:15,201 --> 01:12:17,521 Downstairs. Just outside. Come on. 1713 01:12:17,561 --> 01:12:20,201 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATION] 1714 01:12:22,481 --> 01:12:23,521 KIM: I don't want to go. 1715 01:12:23,561 --> 01:12:24,841 Pipes says we've got to stay. 1716 01:12:24,841 --> 01:12:26,601 Pipes wants to see everybody. 1717 01:12:26,601 --> 01:12:29,001 Look, everybody wants to see him. 1718 01:12:29,001 --> 01:12:33,441 MICHAEL: Hopefully, the children are on their way out of the house now. 1719 01:12:33,481 --> 01:12:35,841 And once they are, I suppose that'll be the end 1720 01:12:35,881 --> 01:12:39,121 of our program, the end of our Ghostwatch programme. 1721 01:12:39,161 --> 01:12:41,361 I hope they... They are out shortly. 1722 01:12:41,401 --> 01:12:43,921 Er, as we wait for them to come out, 1723 01:12:43,961 --> 01:12:46,401 we'll go over to our phone- in studio. 1724 01:12:46,401 --> 01:12:48,201 Mike, what's been happening? 1725 01:12:48,201 --> 01:12:51,481 MIKE: Er, well, it's understandably fairly chaotic here. 1726 01:12:51,521 --> 01:12:53,481 Erm, we're getting all sorts of calls. 1727 01:12:53,521 --> 01:12:57,281 In Derby, someone was ringing to say that her clock had stopped. 1728 01:12:57,321 --> 01:12:59,001 MICHAEL: Again, a clock stopping. 1729 01:12:59,001 --> 01:13:01,161 A Ken and Joyce Shrivener from Telford in Shropshire, 1730 01:13:01,201 --> 01:13:03,241 their radio has gone dead. 1731 01:13:03,281 --> 01:13:05,961 And the microwave oven is pinging repetitively. 1732 01:13:06,001 --> 01:13:07,241 Well, where are they happening? 1733 01:13:07,281 --> 01:13:09,121 I mean, is there a geographical pattern? 1734 01:13:09,161 --> 01:13:11,281 How many of these incidents are there? 1735 01:13:11,321 --> 01:13:13,241 I don't know, I don't know how many of these to take with a pinch of salt. 1736 01:13:13,281 --> 01:13:17,001 Mrs Pinder from Chepstow, her dog won't stop barking. 1737 01:13:17,041 --> 01:13:19,961 Er, in fact, we have loads of instances recorded here, this evening, 1738 01:13:20,001 --> 01:13:21,601 of pets acting up all through the programme. 1739 01:13:21,641 --> 01:13:23,521 Mr Naro from Cheltenham, 1740 01:13:23,561 --> 01:13:25,601 says his son is making glasses break. 1741 01:13:25,641 --> 01:13:29,841 I'm sure we can assume that many, if not all of these calls, are jokes. 1742 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,120 I'm more interested in what's happening at the house. 1743 01:13:32,161 --> 01:13:33,280 Are they all out yet? 1744 01:13:33,321 --> 01:13:35,281 MIKE: No, no, wait, wait, wait. 1745 01:13:35,321 --> 01:13:37,081 We've got one here that, erm... 1746 01:13:37,121 --> 01:13:39,841 Just in the last few minutes, a young lady, very distressed, 1747 01:13:39,841 --> 01:13:41,961 in response to something that we showed earlier on. 1748 01:13:42,001 --> 01:13:45,161 And she's hung up before we'd had a chance to talk to her, so... 1749 01:13:45,201 --> 01:13:47,241 The point is, there's someone here who could take your call now. 1750 01:13:47,281 --> 01:13:49,001 We need to talk to you, could you call back? 1751 01:13:49,041 --> 01:13:51,161 - Can we talk to these people? - Let's get back to Sarah. 1752 01:13:51,201 --> 01:13:53,481 Sarah... Sarah, are you all right? 1753 01:13:56,161 --> 01:13:57,601 Er, I'm s... 1754 01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,400 I can hardly hear you. 1755 01:13:59,441 --> 01:14:00,601 [AUDIO MUTES] 1756 01:14:00,641 --> 01:14:02,401 ...you can hear what I'm saying. 1757 01:14:02,401 --> 01:14:05,401 Erm, Suzanne's a lot quieter now. 1758 01:14:06,481 --> 01:14:08,081 But, er... 1759 01:14:08,121 --> 01:14:10,000 They... They won't move. 1760 01:14:10,041 --> 01:14:12,081 They won't listen to me. 1761 01:14:12,121 --> 01:14:13,560 I think Suzanne's in... 1762 01:14:13,601 --> 01:14:15,601 In some kind of a state of shock. 1763 01:14:17,401 --> 01:14:19,281 What do I do? I can't leave them. 1764 01:14:19,321 --> 01:14:20,441 [LOUD FEEDBACK] 1765 01:14:20,481 --> 01:14:22,281 Sorry, I've got to take this out. 1766 01:14:22,321 --> 01:14:24,401 - It's a terrible noise. - [LOUD BANGING] 1767 01:14:24,401 --> 01:14:25,481 [BANGING CONTINUES] 1768 01:14:25,521 --> 01:14:27,440 I don't know what's going on. 1769 01:14:27,481 --> 01:14:28,521 Can you hear this? 1770 01:14:28,561 --> 01:14:30,041 Smithy? 1771 01:14:30,081 --> 01:14:31,201 - Michael? - [FEEDBACK CONTINUES] 1772 01:14:31,241 --> 01:14:32,481 Dr Pascoe? 1773 01:14:32,521 --> 01:14:34,041 [BANGING CONTINUES] 1774 01:14:34,081 --> 01:14:36,361 There are incredible noises coming from the walls. 1775 01:14:36,401 --> 01:14:38,881 And from the ceiling. [SCREAMS] 1776 01:14:38,921 --> 01:14:39,921 - Oh. - Jesus. 1777 01:14:40,441 --> 01:14:42,361 Kimmy. Kim! 1778 01:14:42,401 --> 01:14:43,561 - You all right? - Can't you do something? 1779 01:14:43,601 --> 01:14:44,601 [SHRIEKS] 1780 01:14:46,241 --> 01:14:48,121 Suzie. 1781 01:14:48,161 --> 01:14:51,961 [IN DEMONIC VOICE] What big eyes you have. What big lips you have. 1782 01:14:52,001 --> 01:14:53,241 PAMELA: Stop it! 1783 01:14:53,281 --> 01:14:55,161 Stop it, Suzie! 1784 01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,840 Suzanne, you're coming with me. 1785 01:14:56,881 --> 01:14:58,201 Suzanne? 1786 01:14:58,241 --> 01:15:00,121 You're coming... Suzanne? 1787 01:15:00,161 --> 01:15:01,841 Listen to me, Suzie. 1788 01:15:03,001 --> 01:15:05,121 Suzie? Can you hear me? 1789 01:15:06,081 --> 01:15:07,321 Suzanne, do you hear me? 1790 01:15:07,361 --> 01:15:08,841 [IN OWN VOICE] Yes. 1791 01:15:08,881 --> 01:15:10,921 Yes. Get out. 1792 01:15:10,961 --> 01:15:12,841 Get out if you don't want to be here. 1793 01:15:12,881 --> 01:15:14,161 I don't care. 1794 01:15:14,201 --> 01:15:15,401 You just mess things up. 1795 01:15:16,321 --> 01:15:18,081 You mess everything up. 1796 01:15:19,401 --> 01:15:20,521 I hate you. 1797 01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,840 SARAH: Kimmy! 1798 01:15:23,881 --> 01:15:26,001 Kimmy, if you can hear me, 1799 01:15:26,041 --> 01:15:27,481 just shout. 1800 01:15:27,521 --> 01:15:30,321 Let me know where you are, so that we can help you. 1801 01:15:31,441 --> 01:15:32,441 Kimmy! 1802 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,080 [PANTING] 1803 01:15:36,121 --> 01:15:37,121 Kim. 1804 01:15:38,201 --> 01:15:40,121 Just say something. 1805 01:15:44,121 --> 01:15:45,121 Kimmy? 1806 01:15:47,201 --> 01:15:48,201 Kimmy! 1807 01:15:51,401 --> 01:15:52,401 Kim? 1808 01:15:57,361 --> 01:15:58,881 [WATER RUNNING] 1809 01:16:05,921 --> 01:16:06,921 It's her bunny. 1810 01:16:10,401 --> 01:16:11,841 The fridge. 1811 01:16:19,961 --> 01:16:23,081 Kimmy. Come on, darling. 1812 01:16:23,121 --> 01:16:25,001 - Hmm? - Pipes said to do it. 1813 01:16:25,041 --> 01:16:27,841 - Why? - Pipes says he's a bad, bad bunny. 1814 01:16:28,521 --> 01:16:30,320 Here are his eyes. 1815 01:16:30,361 --> 01:16:31,841 [CATS SHRIEKING] 1816 01:16:31,881 --> 01:16:33,281 What's that noise? 1817 01:16:33,321 --> 01:16:35,041 [SHRIEKING CONTINUES] 1818 01:16:35,081 --> 01:16:37,041 All right, where is it coming from? 1819 01:16:37,081 --> 01:16:38,161 MICHAEL: I'm looking. 1820 01:16:38,201 --> 01:16:39,921 [RATTLING] 1821 01:16:39,961 --> 01:16:41,441 MICHAEL: This looks like an earthquake. 1822 01:16:43,161 --> 01:16:45,401 [CATS MEWLING] 1823 01:16:46,641 --> 01:16:48,321 - SARAH: Mike... - [MEWLING CONTINUES] 1824 01:16:48,361 --> 01:16:49,961 It's in here. It's in the glory hole. 1825 01:16:50,001 --> 01:16:51,841 SARAH: Can you just stay back over there, darling? 1826 01:16:51,841 --> 01:16:53,441 Stay... Stay over there. 1827 01:16:56,281 --> 01:16:57,601 It's in there. 1828 01:16:57,641 --> 01:16:59,081 SARAH: Okay. 1829 01:16:59,121 --> 01:17:00,961 [CATS SHRIEKING] 1830 01:17:01,001 --> 01:17:02,401 SARAH: Just pull it aside. 1831 01:17:04,641 --> 01:17:06,241 [SARAH GRUNTS] 1832 01:17:06,281 --> 01:17:07,841 [CATS MEWLING] 1833 01:17:09,201 --> 01:17:11,481 SARAH: Shall I get them out of the kitchen drawer? 1834 01:17:11,521 --> 01:17:13,121 [CATS SHRIEKING] 1835 01:17:16,001 --> 01:17:17,601 [SARAH GRUNTS] 1836 01:17:17,641 --> 01:17:19,321 Take this away. Yeah. 1837 01:17:30,921 --> 01:17:33,361 - [CRASHING] - SARAH: Mike? 1838 01:17:33,401 --> 01:17:36,041 Oh, my God, what's happened? 1839 01:17:36,081 --> 01:17:38,121 Are you okay? Look. 1840 01:17:38,161 --> 01:17:40,841 Chris, stay there. I'm gonna go and get help, all right? 1841 01:17:40,841 --> 01:17:42,161 - CHRIS: Okay. - Just stay there with him. 1842 01:17:42,201 --> 01:17:43,321 [SUZANNE SCREAMING] 1843 01:17:43,361 --> 01:17:44,961 Suzanne... 1844 01:17:45,001 --> 01:17:46,121 SUZANNE: He's touching me. 1845 01:17:46,161 --> 01:17:47,881 Suzanne? 1846 01:17:47,921 --> 01:17:49,881 SUZANNE: He's hurting me. 1847 01:17:49,921 --> 01:17:51,560 He's hurting me. 1848 01:17:51,601 --> 01:17:54,481 Get off me! Get away! Get off me! 1849 01:17:55,201 --> 01:17:57,321 No! Go away! 1850 01:17:57,361 --> 01:17:58,961 Mum, help me! 1851 01:17:59,001 --> 01:18:01,401 Don't leave me, Mum! [SCREAMS] 1852 01:18:04,401 --> 01:18:06,241 MIKE: Have we... Have we lost the link completely? 1853 01:18:07,441 --> 01:18:08,601 MICHAEL: No, there's nothing. 1854 01:18:08,601 --> 01:18:10,401 Hang on, yeah, we're on. 1855 01:18:10,401 --> 01:18:13,041 MICHAEL: Please tell him. We've honestly lost the link? 1856 01:18:13,081 --> 01:18:15,241 Well, the red light's on. We are definitely on. 1857 01:18:15,281 --> 01:18:17,601 - Sorry, there seems to be a bit of a... - Okay, we can't get it back. 1858 01:18:17,601 --> 01:18:19,961 Bit of a bold, in TV speak, I think we can say. 1859 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,440 MIKE: You must be able to get it back somehow. 1860 01:18:22,481 --> 01:18:24,121 MICHAEL: Er, we're finding out. 1861 01:18:24,161 --> 01:18:27,481 Well, nothing to report so far from the house. 1862 01:18:27,521 --> 01:18:30,281 - Eh... - It all seems very quiet and peaceful. 1863 01:18:30,321 --> 01:18:32,201 To tell you the truth, I'm not really bothered. 1864 01:18:32,241 --> 01:18:34,241 I didn't really want the scoop on the Headless Horseman. 1865 01:18:34,281 --> 01:18:36,161 I mean, like, where do you put your microphone? 1866 01:18:36,201 --> 01:18:38,401 [LAUGHING] 1867 01:18:38,401 --> 01:18:41,281 MICHAEL: Is somebody speaking to them? What's everybody doing up there? 1868 01:18:41,321 --> 01:18:43,601 You're following me around, kids, aren't you? 1869 01:18:43,641 --> 01:18:46,400 I think we're off again now. 1870 01:18:50,841 --> 01:18:52,921 God. I wish someone would've said we were on then. 1871 01:18:52,961 --> 01:18:55,481 You know, I'm shouting away and... 1872 01:18:57,281 --> 01:18:59,001 Only at the BBC, loves. 1873 01:19:01,161 --> 01:19:03,041 - DR PASCOE: Er, I think... - What's going on then? 1874 01:19:03,081 --> 01:19:05,601 DR PASCOE: Okay, so somehow... MICHAEL: Just a minute. Sorry. 1875 01:19:05,601 --> 01:19:08,161 MICHAEL: We're back. Back in Foxhill Drive. 1876 01:19:08,201 --> 01:19:11,481 - Oh, fantastic. - DR PASCOE: God... 1877 01:19:11,521 --> 01:19:13,921 MICHAEL: Still no sound, but it looks peaceful enough, doesn't it? 1878 01:19:13,961 --> 01:19:16,001 DR PASCOE: Yes, it does. 1879 01:19:16,041 --> 01:19:17,561 MICHAEL: Where's the soundman? 1880 01:19:17,601 --> 01:19:19,841 I assume they've got him out, actually. Obviously. 1881 01:19:19,881 --> 01:19:21,600 And back to... Back to normal. 1882 01:19:21,641 --> 01:19:23,521 They look happy. 1883 01:19:23,561 --> 01:19:25,841 Mike Smith's right. He breathes a sigh of relief, no doubt. 1884 01:19:25,881 --> 01:19:28,561 [STAMMERS] Yeah... No, I'm delighted... I... 1885 01:19:28,601 --> 01:19:32,361 I was ready to, erm... I don't know... 1886 01:19:32,401 --> 01:19:35,520 Oh, panic over, hopefully. 1887 01:19:37,961 --> 01:19:40,401 Can we see the rest of the house? 1888 01:19:40,401 --> 01:19:43,281 I'm sure we can. I'd like to talk to Sarah as well. 1889 01:19:43,321 --> 01:19:47,201 While we're working on trying to talk to Sarah again, 1890 01:19:47,241 --> 01:19:50,201 perhaps there's time to take one of those many phone calls 1891 01:19:50,241 --> 01:19:53,201 that are stacking up. Mike? 1892 01:19:53,201 --> 01:19:56,321 Yeah, I'll be delighted to. Who is the next caller? 1893 01:19:56,361 --> 01:19:59,921 Talk to him... 1894 01:19:59,961 --> 01:20:03,361 - Hello. Your name is? - MAN: [OVER PHONE] I don't want to give me name. 1895 01:20:03,401 --> 01:20:06,801 But I think I have some information for you about the history of the house. 1896 01:20:06,841 --> 01:20:08,281 Well, what do you know about it? 1897 01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,080 Well, we've been into all that. We've got the, er, 1898 01:20:10,121 --> 01:20:12,401 the deeds and searches going back to the year it was built. 1899 01:20:12,401 --> 01:20:15,121 And the history of the site as far the Doomsday Book, 1900 01:20:15,161 --> 01:20:17,001 and the, erm, the lay lines. 1901 01:20:17,041 --> 01:20:19,401 MAN: Do you know Mr and Mrs Sellers? 1902 01:20:19,401 --> 01:20:21,001 Yes, they're on our list of tenants. 1903 01:20:21,041 --> 01:20:23,560 They lived there in the '60s I think. 1904 01:20:23,601 --> 01:20:25,441 MAN: Did you know they sublet a room? 1905 01:20:28,081 --> 01:20:30,081 No, I didn't... I didn't know that. 1906 01:20:30,121 --> 01:20:32,921 MAN: Being illegal, it wouldn't be on the official records. 1907 01:20:32,961 --> 01:20:36,121 The lodger was their nephew, Raymond Tunstall. 1908 01:20:36,161 --> 01:20:38,841 How do you know him? And why are you calling, sir? 1909 01:20:38,881 --> 01:20:40,401 MAN: I worked as his social worker 1910 01:20:40,401 --> 01:20:43,041 when he came out of psychiatric hospital. 1911 01:20:43,081 --> 01:20:45,881 He had several convictions for molestation, 1912 01:20:45,921 --> 01:20:48,801 aggravated abuse, abduction of minors... 1913 01:20:48,841 --> 01:20:51,361 He should never have been let anywhere near any community. 1914 01:20:51,401 --> 01:20:54,441 He was a very disturbed man in my opinion. 1915 01:20:54,481 --> 01:20:56,081 MICHAEL: In what way? 1916 01:20:56,121 --> 01:20:58,001 MAN: From the time he moved to Foxhill Drive, 1917 01:20:58,001 --> 01:21:00,481 he developed paranoid fantasies. 1918 01:21:00,521 --> 01:21:04,001 He used to tell me there was a woman on the inside of his body, 1919 01:21:04,041 --> 01:21:06,321 taking over his thoughts and actions, 1920 01:21:06,361 --> 01:21:09,001 making him do things he didn't want to do. 1921 01:21:09,041 --> 01:21:11,401 He started to wear dresses. 1922 01:21:11,441 --> 01:21:13,201 The delusions got so bad, 1923 01:21:13,201 --> 01:21:15,921 there was only one way to escape them. 1924 01:21:15,961 --> 01:21:17,921 He took his own life. 1925 01:21:17,961 --> 01:21:19,321 That's why I called. 1926 01:21:20,041 --> 01:21:21,201 When I heard... 1927 01:21:21,201 --> 01:21:24,201 When I was sitting here watching the TV and... 1928 01:21:27,281 --> 01:21:29,321 Hello? Are you still there? 1929 01:21:29,361 --> 01:21:31,361 If you are, please go on. Hello? 1930 01:21:33,641 --> 01:21:36,161 MAN: Tunstall hanged himself. 1931 01:21:37,321 --> 01:21:39,000 He tied a wire around his neck 1932 01:21:39,001 --> 01:21:41,281 to a lathe and switched it on. 1933 01:21:41,321 --> 01:21:44,841 He did it where he kept his tools, under the stairs. 1934 01:21:44,881 --> 01:21:47,601 His aunt and uncle were on holiday. 1935 01:21:47,601 --> 01:21:51,001 It was twelve days before anybody found him. 1936 01:21:51,001 --> 01:21:52,601 They heard the cats screaming. 1937 01:21:53,601 --> 01:21:55,561 He had about a dozen cats. 1938 01:21:55,601 --> 01:21:58,000 The cats were locked in, of course. 1939 01:21:58,041 --> 01:22:00,201 Of course... 1940 01:22:00,241 --> 01:22:03,361 Twelve days... They got hungry. 1941 01:22:04,881 --> 01:22:07,201 They got to work, on... 1942 01:22:08,601 --> 01:22:10,841 On his face. 1943 01:22:14,201 --> 01:22:15,401 DR PASCOE: Mister... 1944 01:22:19,201 --> 01:22:21,241 I'm sure what you say is true. 1945 01:22:21,281 --> 01:22:24,561 We've no reason to disbelieve you. But... [SIGHS] 1946 01:22:24,601 --> 01:22:25,841 In order to substantiate... 1947 01:22:25,881 --> 01:22:26,921 MICHAEL: He's gone. 1948 01:22:26,961 --> 01:22:28,961 Doctor, he's... He's hung up. 1949 01:22:29,001 --> 01:22:31,961 Sorry, but that's how it is. He's gone. 1950 01:22:32,001 --> 01:22:33,401 Oh, dear... 1951 01:22:33,401 --> 01:22:35,481 I think this is the onion skin. 1952 01:22:35,521 --> 01:22:37,441 - What is? - [SIGHS] 1953 01:22:37,481 --> 01:22:39,561 I mean, what happened on that spot, 1954 01:22:39,601 --> 01:22:41,361 how many terrible things have... 1955 01:22:41,401 --> 01:22:43,041 Oh, this has got to be nonsense, Doctor. 1956 01:22:43,081 --> 01:22:44,921 Before Turnstall, before Mother Seddons, way back... 1957 01:22:44,961 --> 01:22:46,281 Maybe into prehistory... 1958 01:22:46,321 --> 01:22:48,001 Oh, nonsense. There'll be no more calls, please. 1959 01:22:48,001 --> 01:22:49,601 Also, our switchboard's jammed. 1960 01:22:49,641 --> 01:22:51,361 We've been inundated with hoaxes... 1961 01:22:51,401 --> 01:22:53,961 The Rosenheim poltergeist affected a telephone exchange, 1962 01:22:54,001 --> 01:22:55,481 rang up endless bills, misdirected calls... 1963 01:22:55,521 --> 01:22:56,841 ...poltergeist or no poltergeist. 1964 01:22:56,881 --> 01:22:58,601 They are seeing it now, for God's sake. 1965 01:22:58,601 --> 01:23:00,601 Don't close the lines! We need to know what's happening out there! 1966 01:23:00,641 --> 01:23:03,361 You're the expert! What is happening out there? 1967 01:23:03,401 --> 01:23:04,521 I don't know. 1968 01:23:11,001 --> 01:23:12,441 - Jeez... - MICHAEL: What is it? 1969 01:23:14,001 --> 01:23:16,081 Doctor, what's wrong? 1970 01:23:16,121 --> 01:23:17,200 What's the matter? 1971 01:23:20,281 --> 01:23:21,521 It's in the machine. 1972 01:23:21,561 --> 01:23:22,841 MICHAEL: Wh... What? 1973 01:23:22,881 --> 01:23:25,201 - Well, look at the picture. - Where? 1974 01:23:25,241 --> 01:23:27,201 DR PASCOE: On the wall. The picture on the wall. 1975 01:23:27,201 --> 01:23:29,361 - MICHAEL: What about the picture on the wall? - Well, it's still there. 1976 01:23:29,401 --> 01:23:30,441 It hasn't fallen. 1977 01:23:30,481 --> 01:23:32,401 It's not come off the wall. 1978 01:23:35,401 --> 01:23:37,601 This picture we're seeing now isn't live. 1979 01:23:37,601 --> 01:23:41,921 This is some earlier footage from earlier in the evening. 1980 01:23:42,641 --> 01:23:44,841 This is just a cover. 1981 01:23:44,881 --> 01:23:46,281 - It's a dupe. - [MICHAEL STAMMERS] 1982 01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:47,400 DR PASCOE: This isn't happening now. 1983 01:23:47,441 --> 01:23:48,921 MICHAEL: But what is happening? 1984 01:23:48,961 --> 01:23:51,601 [SCREAMING] 1985 01:23:53,241 --> 01:23:55,201 [LOUD GROANING] 1986 01:23:57,201 --> 01:23:58,840 It's what you wanted, wasn't it? 1987 01:23:58,881 --> 01:24:00,961 Well, we just gave you what you wanted! 1988 01:24:01,001 --> 01:24:03,441 - DR PASCOE: They don't look very shocked any more. - KIM: Stop it! Stop it! 1989 01:24:03,481 --> 01:24:06,841 MICHAEL: ...o f course the recorder isn't shocked any more. You're being silly. 1990 01:24:06,841 --> 01:24:08,241 [WIND HOWLING] 1991 01:24:08,281 --> 01:24:11,081 There's a wind. Have you ever heard of 1992 01:24:11,121 --> 01:24:13,041 - in a studio? - How many observers do we have tonight? 1993 01:24:13,081 --> 01:24:14,841 - I don't understand. - Jesus, Mike, 1994 01:24:14,841 --> 01:24:16,921 we've created a seance. 1995 01:24:16,961 --> 01:24:18,121 A massive seance. 1996 01:24:20,641 --> 01:24:23,401 MICHAEL: Where are we now? What's this? This... 1997 01:24:23,401 --> 01:24:25,201 [SIREN BLARING] 1998 01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,160 This could be live. Is this is happening outside the house? 1999 01:24:27,201 --> 01:24:29,401 - I think it is. - The police! The police! The police! 2000 01:24:29,441 --> 01:24:31,441 [SIREN BLARING] 2001 01:24:35,241 --> 01:24:39,401 MICHAEL: We've got to assume this is live, actually happening. 2002 01:24:39,401 --> 01:24:41,041 - DR PASCOE: Is that Kimmy? Yes. - [DOGS BARKING] 2003 01:24:45,601 --> 01:24:47,441 KIM: [SOBBING] Mum! Mum! 2004 01:24:56,161 --> 01:24:58,881 MICHAEL: We've seen... We've seen Mike come out. 2005 01:24:59,601 --> 01:25:01,561 We've seen Kim. 2006 01:25:01,601 --> 01:25:03,921 We've seen... We've seen Pam. 2007 01:25:05,041 --> 01:25:07,961 So that leaves Suzanne... 2008 01:25:09,401 --> 01:25:11,081 And Sarah. 2009 01:25:11,121 --> 01:25:13,561 Now... Now where are they? Where can they be? 2010 01:25:13,601 --> 01:25:16,321 - Have you seen them? - DR PASCOE: Must be still in there. 2011 01:25:21,321 --> 01:25:22,841 MIKE: What are these shapes? 2012 01:25:27,441 --> 01:25:29,001 MICHAEL: Where are we? 2013 01:25:29,041 --> 01:25:30,881 MIKE: Look, what are we seeing here? 2014 01:25:30,921 --> 01:25:31,841 DR PASCOE: The infrared camera. 2015 01:25:33,641 --> 01:25:36,241 DR PASCOE: Who's that? SARAH: Suzie? 2016 01:25:36,281 --> 01:25:38,041 MIKE: It's Sarah. DR PASCOE: Is it? 2017 01:25:40,241 --> 01:25:41,961 SARAH: Suzie, are you there? 2018 01:25:42,921 --> 01:25:44,201 MICHAEL: Can she hear us? 2019 01:25:46,561 --> 01:25:47,921 SARAH: Chris? 2020 01:25:47,961 --> 01:25:49,001 CHRIS: Down here. 2021 01:25:56,281 --> 01:25:58,240 - Where are you? - CHRIS: Here. 2022 01:26:00,961 --> 01:26:04,321 Oh, my God, you're there. Can you see if you can see her in that room? 2023 01:26:04,361 --> 01:26:05,441 CHRIS: Hold on. 2024 01:26:20,081 --> 01:26:23,041 CHRIS: No, she's not down here. 2025 01:26:23,081 --> 01:26:25,361 I know, Chris. Have you still got your lighter? 2026 01:26:25,401 --> 01:26:26,400 CHRIS: Yeah. 2027 01:26:28,481 --> 01:26:30,001 Got it. There we are. 2028 01:26:31,201 --> 01:26:32,200 Oh... 2029 01:26:37,561 --> 01:26:40,081 [CLATTERING] 2030 01:26:47,601 --> 01:26:49,041 There we go. 2031 01:26:50,121 --> 01:26:52,121 Is it okay for you? 2032 01:26:52,161 --> 01:26:53,201 Is it okay? 2033 01:26:53,241 --> 01:26:54,201 CHRIS: Yeah, hold on. 2034 01:26:55,161 --> 01:26:56,921 SARAH: Mmm- hmm. 2035 01:26:56,961 --> 01:26:58,441 Chris, look. 2036 01:26:58,481 --> 01:27:00,121 [CAMERA WHIRRING] 2037 01:27:00,161 --> 01:27:01,561 SARAH: Can you see them? CHRIS: Yeah. 2038 01:27:01,601 --> 01:27:03,401 - [WIND HOWLING] - [SARAH GASPS] 2039 01:27:04,921 --> 01:27:06,201 SUZANNE: Mum! 2040 01:27:06,241 --> 01:27:07,921 - [ELECTRICITY CRACKLES] - SUZANNE: Mum, help me! 2041 01:27:07,961 --> 01:27:10,001 Help me, Mum, please! 2042 01:27:10,041 --> 01:27:12,401 SARAH: It's okay Suzie, we're here! 2043 01:27:12,441 --> 01:27:13,841 Where are you? 2044 01:27:13,881 --> 01:27:15,601 SUZANNE: Mum, help! 2045 01:27:15,641 --> 01:27:18,241 - Help! - CHRIS: She's downstairs. In the glory hole. 2046 01:27:18,281 --> 01:27:20,281 - [CHRIS GRUNTS] Shit. - SARAH: Chris, are you all right? 2047 01:27:20,321 --> 01:27:21,401 CHRIS: Yeah. SARAH: Hang on. 2048 01:27:21,441 --> 01:27:23,001 SUZANNE: Get off me! Get away! 2049 01:27:23,001 --> 01:27:24,041 SARAH: It's all right, Suzie. 2050 01:27:24,081 --> 01:27:25,041 SUZANNE: Get off me. 2051 01:27:25,081 --> 01:27:26,281 Get away! 2052 01:27:27,481 --> 01:27:29,001 SARAH: Come on. 2053 01:27:29,041 --> 01:27:30,241 Suzie? 2054 01:27:32,401 --> 01:27:33,481 SUZANNE: He's hurting me. 2055 01:27:33,521 --> 01:27:34,561 I can't open the door. 2056 01:27:34,601 --> 01:27:36,601 It's blocked. Suzie? 2057 01:27:36,641 --> 01:27:39,401 You've got to push it from the inside. 2058 01:27:39,401 --> 01:27:40,521 SUZANNE: He's hurting me. 2059 01:27:40,561 --> 01:27:41,601 Come on! 2060 01:27:41,641 --> 01:27:43,161 It's no good. 2061 01:27:43,201 --> 01:27:44,841 SUZANNE: Get off me! 2062 01:27:44,841 --> 01:27:46,841 - [WIND HOWLING LOUDER] - [SARAH GASPS] 2063 01:27:47,601 --> 01:27:48,881 Suzie? 2064 01:27:49,961 --> 01:27:51,081 - Thank God. - [CAT MEWLING] 2065 01:27:52,201 --> 01:27:53,961 No one's gonna hurt you. 2066 01:27:54,001 --> 01:27:55,321 You're safe here. 2067 01:27:55,361 --> 01:27:57,401 MIKE: Sarah? Sarah! 2068 01:27:59,281 --> 01:28:00,521 [CAT SHRIEKING] 2069 01:28:01,641 --> 01:28:03,240 - [WOMAN GASPS] - [CATS SHRIEKING] 2070 01:28:03,281 --> 01:28:05,001 MAN 1: Clear the studio! 2071 01:28:05,041 --> 01:28:06,121 Get out! 2072 01:28:08,841 --> 01:28:10,321 Get out! 2073 01:28:10,361 --> 01:28:11,481 MAN 2: Quickly! 2074 01:28:11,521 --> 01:28:14,081 People are leaving the studio now. 2075 01:28:14,121 --> 01:28:17,241 - [LIGHTS BURST] - The lights are blowing all over the place. 2076 01:28:17,281 --> 01:28:19,041 MIKE: No, I'm not going out. 2077 01:28:19,081 --> 01:28:22,001 - I'm not going. Get the link back. - [MICHAEL TALKING] 2078 01:28:22,041 --> 01:28:24,401 Get the link back. If somebody can get the link back... 2079 01:28:24,401 --> 01:28:27,361 [INDISTINCT CHATTERING] 2080 01:28:27,401 --> 01:28:30,121 Lights... I think we're losing power. 2081 01:28:30,161 --> 01:28:32,121 MIKE: When you show me that my wife is safe, I'll go. 2082 01:28:32,161 --> 01:28:34,281 We have got an emergency generator... 2083 01:28:34,321 --> 01:28:36,841 - Whether or not we should bring it in, I don't know. - MIKE: I'm not going. 2084 01:28:40,041 --> 01:28:42,001 MICHAEL: The studio's completely dark. 2085 01:28:42,001 --> 01:28:44,200 Just... Just blackness now. 2086 01:28:44,241 --> 01:28:48,280 All the... The lights have failed. The power's gone off. 2087 01:28:55,001 --> 01:28:56,001 We've got some... 2088 01:28:57,201 --> 01:28:58,521 Some lights in the studio. 2089 01:29:00,641 --> 01:29:03,161 I don't know... 2090 01:29:03,201 --> 01:29:07,201 This camera's... I don't know which one's working. I mean... 2091 01:29:08,441 --> 01:29:11,521 [CHUCKLING] There are no cameramen. 2092 01:29:11,561 --> 01:29:14,841 I mean, it's difficult to know 2093 01:29:14,841 --> 01:29:17,601 even if anybody's still with us, but... 2094 01:29:17,601 --> 01:29:21,001 - If they are, this is the scene in this... - [CATS MEWLING] 2095 01:29:21,041 --> 01:29:24,601 In this studio. This totally deserted studio. 2096 01:29:27,561 --> 01:29:29,281 Autocue's working. 2097 01:29:31,321 --> 01:29:33,361 "Round and round the garden... 2098 01:29:33,401 --> 01:29:35,121 "Like a teddy bear"? 2099 01:29:35,161 --> 01:29:37,081 [CATS MEWLING] 2100 01:29:37,121 --> 01:29:40,841 GHOST: Didn't believe those stories about Mother Seddons, did you? 2101 01:29:42,041 --> 01:29:44,081 Fee fie foe fum... 2102 01:29:44,641 --> 01:29:47,560 [CATS SHRIEKING]