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COMPUTER CHIMES, WHIRRING

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WHIRRING

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'As a journalist,

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'you are consumed by two
questions constantly -

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'how to tell a story,

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'but, perhaps more crucially,
WHY to tell a story.

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'Imagine a country.

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'Nice weather. Let's
give it nice weather.'

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WIND GUSTS

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'Nice weather for
England, anyway.

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'Imagine the people
in this country

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'believe they are
living in a democracy,

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'believe in their own freedom.

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'But they are being abused

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'by a power so everyday they
don't know to look for it.

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'A treacherous combination of
press, the police and politicians

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'that hide in plain sight.

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'Imagine a country where
that concealment was...

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'Imagine a country where...

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'where the news
organisations...'

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Shit! CAR HORN HONKS

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Imagine it all deleted.

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HE SIGHS Florid nonsense.

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'My name is Nick Davies.

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'I am a journalist,

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'and this is a story

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'that ends in seven major
police investigations,

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'nearly 40 convictions,

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'and some of the most powerful
people in this country

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'being brought to their knees.'

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Oh, no. It's too grand,
too grand, too grand.

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HE CLEARS THROAT 'My
name is Nick Davies.

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'I'm a journalist.'

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Morning. I'll just check in.

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'This all started
with Stuart Kuttner.'

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Hello.

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Mm, no.

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HE CLICKS TONGUE

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'This is the most troubling
story I've ever written.

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'A story about the abuse of power
and the concealment of truth.'

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Hi. Hi. Nick Davies for
the Today programme.

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I'm late.

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British journalism is "sloppy
and morally bankrupt".

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That is the claim of the
journalist Nick Davies,

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who's written a book that shows how
often newspapers use illegal methods

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for getting their stories.

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It's called Flat Earth News,
and Nick Davies joins us now.

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Good morning. Hi.

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You say "sloppy" because
newspapers use press releases,

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rather than getting
their own stories,

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and "morally bankrupt" because
of the illegality involved.

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Really, the root that binds
together all the different themes

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is that the logic of journalism

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has been overwhelmed by
the logic of commercialism.

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Journalists no longer have
the time or the resources

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to do their jobs properly.

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Instead, they're just
passive processors

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of unchecked
second-hand material.

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OK, but you also... You go
much further in suggesting

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that there has been
criminality involved...

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Sure.

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...and that's generally
accepted within the press.

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OK. So, principally, that involves
hiring private investigators.

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They hire private investigators
to get your bank statements,

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your credit card statements,
your itemised phone bills,

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your tax records,

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even your health records
these creatures are getting.

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All of that is illegal.

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OK. We're joined by John Mullin,

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who is the editor of The
Independent On Sunday,

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and Stuart Kuttner,

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who's managing editor
of News Of The World.

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John Mullin, do
you recognise this?

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Well, I ploughed my way through
the first half of the book,

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not the second half so far,

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and no-one can deny
that life in journalism

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is much harder than maybe
it was 20, 30 years ago.

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But to say that
journalism as a whole

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is "a passive
processor of news"?

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I think that's erroneous.

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Stuart Kuttner?

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Yes, I'll tell you what I think.

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I think, frankly,
listening to Nick Davies,

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I thought he was speaking from
a newsroom on another planet.

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SHE CHUCKLES It is totally
unrecognisable to me.

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Many years in newspapers
in Fleet Street.

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Now, of course, at
the News Of The World.

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But what did he say
that was so wrong?

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Well, he talks about,
if you like, er,

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shortcuts, PR interests,
commercial interests.

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I have to tell you, none of my
News Of The World journalists

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would recognise that at all.

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But what about the way
these people get the stories

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and access to
personal information?

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Well, if it happens,
it... it shouldn't happen.

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It happened once at
the News Of The World.

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The reporter was fired,

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he went to prison,
the editor resigned.

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And while Nick is
talking about all this,

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I notice he doesn't mention

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The Guardian's own
act of criminality,

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when The Guardian forged the
signature of a cabinet minister...

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OK, I-I don't want to go
into details of the story.

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I think the charge
that Nick Davies...

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Sarah, you may not
want to go into detail,

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but Nick makes a broad-brush,
sweeping attack on our profession,

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which I happen to believe
is an honourable profession.

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VOICES MINGLE, ECHO

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PHONES RINGING, CHATTER

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MAN: Hello, Mr...

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PHONES RINGING

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Did you hear it?

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I wish I hadn't.

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HE SIGHS

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You're too kind.

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I did say appearing on the Today
programme to attack journalism

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wasn't exactly the
most sensible idea.

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Listen, before I go home, I wanted
to talk to you about something.

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Good thing was, you weren't
representing The Guardian.

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You were talking
about your book.

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My book.

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Though Kuttner did have a good go at
trying to besmirch us through you.

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I want out.

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HE INHALES

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Do you know anything
about baking competitions?

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No.

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I want to know how many people
cheat at baking competitions.

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A round number.

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Sounds like exactly
the sort of thing

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the Guardian should
be investigating (!)

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I don't mean out altogether.
I'd like to go to Brussels.

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Investigate a whole new
horizon, something well paid...

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Naturally. ..that will
allow me to commute.

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The kids are old enough now to
be able to... I need you here.

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PHONES RINGING, CHATTER

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Sadiq Khan. Bugged.

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40-year convention breached.

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And why? Keep the
Americans happy.

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Needs a good journalist.

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Alan, I'm knackered.
Nobody likes me. I'm...

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Oh, come on.

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I like you... some of the time.

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And I'm sure there are a few
others who-who also... Please.

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Self-pity is not a redeeming
quality. We'll talk tomorrow.

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I'm freelance precisely so that I
don't need to talk to you tomorrow.

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You're freelance with more
or less a sole employer.

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I say you should
talk to me tomorrow.

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Mm. We've all been roasted
by Stuart bloody Kuttner.

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Bye.

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Let me explain. Alan is, erm...

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Well, we grew up together.
In journalism, that is.

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PHONE BUZZING He's always
understood... Sorry.

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Yep.

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MAN: 'Nick Davies?' Who's this?

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'My name is...' BLEEP

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Redacted, sorry.

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We'll call him Mr
Apollo because...

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Erm, well, actually,
because he's...

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It... It doesn't matter.

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How did you get this number?

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'Listen, Kuttner
made a mistake.'

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Well, I made several,

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chief amongst them appearing
on the Today programme.

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'He said it happened once.'

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It happened once.

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It happened once at
the News Of The World.

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The reporter was fired,

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he went to prison,
the editor resigned.

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You're talking
about phone hacking.

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'Nick, your book only
scratched the surface.

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'We have to meet face to face,
somewhere absolutely discreet.

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'I think you'll
like what I have.'

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Where and when?

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In the beginning, it
was next to nothing.

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Two men were arrested for
hacking phones in 2006.

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A private investigator,
Glenn Mulcaire...

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...and the Royal Editor
of The News Of The World,

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Clive Goodman.

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The sentences they
received were short.

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The attention they got, limited.
But the crime was unusual.

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They had discovered
they could access

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other people's
voicemail messages,

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and they spent
months eavesdropping

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on three of Prince William's
staff at Clarence House.

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How? They didn't say.

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Why?

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For the discovery of
private information.

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It was the start of the
next six years of my life.

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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To be clear, I've never told
anyone who Mr Apollo is.

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So some guesses have been made.

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Bad guess.

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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No.

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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No. Sorry, it's not you.

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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OK. HE CLEARS THROAT

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Oh, come on.

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HE SIGHS

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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HE SIGHS

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Hi.

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You coming in, or...?

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Sure.

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Wow, this is nice.

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CHURCH BELLS RINGING IN DISTANCE

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Nice choice of room.

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Just to check, is
The Guardian paying?

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Because if so, I'd implore you
to stay away from that minibar.

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Mulcaire, in the trial, he
said he'd hacked other...

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Five non-royals.
I remember, yes.

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Um, Elle MacPherson...

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Sky Andrew, Max Clifford...

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He's a liar.

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Kuttner is a liar, and one
of the five is suing them.

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Which one?

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Well, that five is just
the tip of the iceberg.

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Hacking phones at
the News Of The World

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has been endemic.

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Endemic?

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Mm.

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They pick up their leads by
intercepting voice mails,

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and only then do they get
photographs and quotes,

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so as to lay a false trail,

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to pretend they found the
story through legitimate means.

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They've hacked thousands.

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Here.

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Dial a number.

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Someone who's likely
to not answer.

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LINE RINGING OUT

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VOICEMAIL: 'This is Alan
Rusbridger. Please leave...'

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That's your phone-a-friend?
The editor of The Guardian?

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Press nine. PHONE BEEPS

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AUTOMATED VOICE: 'Please
enter your 4-digit PIN.'

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Enter one, two, three, four.
That's the factory setting.

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BEEPING

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AUTOMATED VOICE: 'Welcome
to your voicemail.

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'You have one new message.'

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WOMAN: 'Alan, it's Mummy.

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'I'm just calling
about Jill Wyatt.

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'She won best sponge again,
and I'm sure she cheated.'

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I don't wanna hear this.

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It's that easy? Mm.

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Doesn't even need a Glenn
Mulcaire most of the time.

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And you're saying
this was widespread?

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Glenn's main job was
that when it got tricky,

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unlike with your Alan,

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was to blag the
mobile phone companies

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into resetting the
celebrities' PIN codes

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to their original
factory setting.

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One, two, three, four.

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PHONE BUZZES That's Alan.

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Please.

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'Who is this?' Hi,
yeah, it's Nick.

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'Oh.' Listen, change the
voicemail settings on your phone.

257
00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,877
'And how do I do that?'

258
00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,960
Ask a young person.
I've got to go. Bye.

259
00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,557
Who is suing?

260
00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:25,877
HE INHALES

261
00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,557
The person who is, is currently
trying to get Scotland Yard

262
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,877
to hand over evidence they
collected and did nothing with

263
00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,080
when they arrested Mulcaire.

264
00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,877
It's evidence that
could... HE SIGHS

265
00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,237
...burn, fuck and destroy
everything. Twice over.

266
00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,960
You won't tell me which one
of the five it is, will you?

267
00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,877
I will tell you...

268
00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,877
that you're missing two names.

269
00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,877
Gordon Taylor and Simon Hughes.

270
00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,877
Will you go on the record?

271
00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,877
HE SIGHS

272
00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,877
If you dig, it comes from you.

273
00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,717
I-I can...

274
00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,960
I can confirm things,
but... HE SIGHS

275
00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,557
Ah, it's just another story
of journos behaving badly.

276
00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:11,877
You're not interested?

277
00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,877
It's interesting, but... you
should talk to someone else.

278
00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,877
Do you realise I could lose
my job just by talking to you?

279
00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,237
Don't worry, this
conversation never happened.

280
00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,877
No, no, no. That's not
my point, Nick. You...

281
00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,960
Think. Think who
edited the paper.

282
00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,960
Think about where he sits now.

283
00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,960
You're talking
about Andy Coulson.

284
00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:34,960
Stop him.

285
00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:37,960
Shit.

286
00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,237
AUTOMATED VOICE: 'Mind the gap.
Stand clear of the doors, please.'

287
00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,877
Andy Coulson, a
rapid-ascent journalist.

288
00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,077
From a local reporter
to Showbiz at The Sun,

289
00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,877
he was made editor of
News Of The World in 2003.

290
00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,877
Even after he resigned in 2007

291
00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,878
over the original
phone hacking case,

292
00:13:05,961 --> 00:13:07,877
it was seen as honourable,

293
00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,557
him carrying the can for
the one rogue reporter.

294
00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:11,960
"Not me, really, guv."

295
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,080
But if he was... If he is...

296
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,877
If this is endemic,

297
00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,877
he's David Cameron's
communications director.

298
00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,160
For him to be involved in
widespread criminality...

299
00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,960
No. No, bad idea.

300
00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,320
DOORBELL RINGS

301
00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:42,878
I'm not late.

302
00:13:42,961 --> 00:13:44,877
It would be fine if you
were to be a bit late,

303
00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:45,878
so you don't need
to be so worried.

304
00:13:45,961 --> 00:13:47,877
Are they ready? Are
they ever ready?

305
00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,877
Kids?

306
00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:50,878
You OK?

307
00:13:50,961 --> 00:13:52,877
Kids! GIRL: Yes, coming!

308
00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,877
Ooh, you're anxious to go, then.

309
00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,877
Sorry. How are you, etc?

310
00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,877
I'm fine, etc.
Are you all right?

311
00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,878
Never better.

312
00:13:59,961 --> 00:14:01,877
Really? I heard
you on the radio.

313
00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,877
Mm. That sort of
performance help sales?

314
00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:05,877
Oh, I would doubt it.

315
00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:06,960
Mm.

316
00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,397
I'm, erm...

317
00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,877
I am worried about... BLEEP.

318
00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,877
I'm not going to
reveal my child's name.

319
00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,877
Let's call him... Beans.

320
00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,877
He comes home, locks
himself in his room.

321
00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,877
I have tried to
talk to him, but...

322
00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:22,878
Avoids all questions.

323
00:14:22,961 --> 00:14:25,320
So, do we bring the school in?

324
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,877
Let's get the details, make
sure he wants the help.

325
00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,640
Oh, you sound like a journalist.

326
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,960
Let me try.

327
00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:38,960
Let me try.

328
00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,480
OK.

329
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:57,878
Got a new recipe.

330
00:14:57,961 --> 00:15:00,237
OK, Dad. Stuffed tomato thing.

331
00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,877
Yeah, nice. Sounds good.

332
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,877
I'll call you when it's
ready. It's Turkish.

333
00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,237
Yep. So...

334
00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,960
I met someone today.

335
00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,237
A source.

336
00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,877
'He was pissed off with what
Kuttner said on the radio.'

337
00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:13,878
OK.

338
00:15:13,961 --> 00:15:16,877
Hacking was "endemic", he
said, at News Of The World.

339
00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,877
And someone is now
suing Scotland Yard

340
00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,877
for information on
what was hacked.

341
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,877
Now, I know... I know it's
one of either Elle MacPherson,

342
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,877
Simon Hughes, Gordon Taylor,
Sky Andrew or Max Clifford.

343
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:28,917
'But I don't know which one.'

344
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,917
What do you think?

345
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,877
Do I dig?

346
00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,877
Try to find out who it is?
If I find them, it might...

347
00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:36,878
we might get some evidence

348
00:15:36,961 --> 00:15:39,877
that proves foul play was
a bit more widespread.

349
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,877
Imagine what it does to Andy
Coulson. He's about to...

350
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,877
He could soon have keys
to 10 Downing Street.

351
00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,917
Did Cameron do a
fit-and-proper-person test on him?

352
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,877
'Did he even look
into Coulson's past?'

353
00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,077
It's a good angle.

354
00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,877
'But another "tabloids
behaving badly" story?'

355
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,877
I said the same thing.

356
00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,877
And who wants to
kick a bees' nest?

357
00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,480
Murdoch, you know?

358
00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,917
This source...

359
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,877
'Has he got under your skin?'

360
00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,480
No. I just wanted to talk
it out with someone. You.

361
00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,877
Ah.

362
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,877
Always grateful to be
your sounding board.

363
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:15,960
'Go home, Alan.'

364
00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,877
Who says I'm in the office?

365
00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,960
'We'll always have
Brussels. Bye.'

366
00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:35,877
It's creepy when you do that.

367
00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,877
Stare at me like that.

368
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:38,960
How are you?

369
00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:40,878
Why are you asking?

370
00:16:40,961 --> 00:16:43,877
If there ever is anything
you need to discuss...

371
00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,960
Yes, Dad. I know.

372
00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,877
I, erm... I-I never
much liked school.

373
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:11,878
I'm not being bullied.

374
00:17:11,961 --> 00:17:13,877
I always saw school
as a necessity...

375
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,877
Why does everyone always
think I'm being bullied?

376
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,960
...not a virtue.
There was a guy...

377
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,000
...who-who used to hit us.

378
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,237
Another kid?

379
00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,960
Actually, a teacher.

380
00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,878
He used to...

381
00:17:28,961 --> 00:17:30,877
God, he used to really scare me.

382
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,877
I-I never used to do well.

383
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,960
Erm...

384
00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,877
Well, I never used
to do well with fear,

385
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,077
but also, the thing I
remember most clearly...

386
00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,960
rage.

387
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,320
I heard you on the radio.

388
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,800
You listen to the
Today programme?

389
00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,960
Mum makes us listen to or
read everything you do.

390
00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,877
"You've an impressive dad."

391
00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,877
And she says it like,

392
00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,877
"He may be a total dick,
but he's impressive."

393
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,960
HE SCOFFS All right.

394
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,640
You know the story
of the dung beetle?

395
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,917
God. Really, again?

396
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,877
If you want to fly free...

397
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,877
First you have to
eat a lot of shit.

398
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,077
Sometimes you have
to ignore bullies.

399
00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,877
I'm not being bullied.
Sometimes you...

400
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:18,878
you have to puncture them.

401
00:18:18,961 --> 00:18:20,917
I'm not, Dad. There's
always a way to...

402
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,397
There's always a chance
when the wankers...

403
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,877
when they suddenly
seem vulnerable.

404
00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,877
When they are...

405
00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,877
you have to clamp your pincers
onto them as hard as possible.

406
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,960
Do not let go.

407
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,960
Tomatoes are in the oven.
Ready in ten. They're Turkish.

408
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,960
I love you very much.

409
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,160
WOMAN'S DISTORTED VOICE

410
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,320
'You stupid child!

411
00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,000
'You are SUCH a disappointment!'

412
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,877
It won't surprise you to
know we didn't get the rights

413
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,960
to use their masthead.

414
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:13,960
Or this one.

415
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,320
DIALLING PHONE

416
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,877
Hi, it's Nick Davies.

417
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,877
You still have that
contact at Scotland Yard?

418
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,878
MAN 1: 'No, sorry, mate.

419
00:19:31,961 --> 00:19:34,397
'I really cannot be getting
involved with that one.

420
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,557
'You know how it is.'

421
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,877
But Andy Coulson will soon
be sitting in Downing Street.

422
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,877
MAN 2: 'Yeah, and Murdoch's
already sitting on Downing Street.'

423
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,877
Yeah, I-I...

424
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,077
Yes, I appreciate
that. I understand.

425
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,877
If I could get some
evidence of this...

426
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,877
MAN 2: 'No.' MAN 3: 'No.'

427
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,877
MAN 4: 'No.' All
right. Thanks. Bye.

428
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,960
PHONE RINGS

429
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,877
NICK: Oh, hi. Thanks
for calling back.

430
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,877
Do you have the number
for... Name redacted.

431
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960
See you later. Yeah.

432
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,960
OK, great. Zero...

433
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,877
...seven, seven,
zero, zero, nine,

434
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,877
zero, zero, nine, five, four.

435
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,877
Got that. Thank you.

436
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,877
Hi. I'm wondering
whether I could speak to

437
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,960
whoever represents
Elle MacPherson.

438
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,878
No, no, I'm not a fan.

439
00:20:22,961 --> 00:20:25,877
No, I'm wondering whether
she's currently suing

440
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,878
the News Of The World.

441
00:20:26,961 --> 00:20:28,877
Is that Max?

442
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,877
Hi, it's Nick Davies.

443
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,877
We met at The Orwell Prize.

444
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,960
I'm actually after
a bit of insight.

445
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,960
Well, no. Just give me a
chance... LINE GOES DEAD

446
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,960
HE SIGHS

447
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,877
Detective Buzz Aldrin?

448
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,878
Not his real name.

449
00:21:02,961 --> 00:21:04,877
My name is Nick Davies.
I'm a Guardian journalist.

450
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,877
I believe you were looking
into the Clive Goodman case?

451
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,397
I'm very busy, Mr Davies.

452
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,877
I've followed your work, Buzz.
I know how principled you are.

453
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,877
I think you know that this...
what is happening here

454
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,877
is acutely in the
public interest,

455
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,877
and if it's all dealt with
in behind-stairs deals,

456
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,878
it'll help no-one.

457
00:21:17,961 --> 00:21:19,877
I can't talk to journalists.
You don't have to talk.

458
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,877
All I need to know is which
of the five non-royal names

459
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,877
in the Clive Goodman case
is now suing the paper.

460
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:25,878
Cough.

461
00:21:25,961 --> 00:21:27,877
That's all I ask. Cough
when I hit the right name.

462
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,877
You are very persistent.

463
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,878
Because what I understand

464
00:21:29,961 --> 00:21:31,877
is that those five names
represent thousands,

465
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,077
thousands of people

466
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,960
who've had their privacy stolen
by this newspaper. Please.

467
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,917
Elle MacPherson.

468
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,960
Simon Hughes.

469
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,877
Gordon Taylor.

470
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,878
"BUZZ" COUGHS

471
00:21:44,961 --> 00:21:46,160
Thank you.

472
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:48,960
You did the right thing.

473
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,960
CHATTER

474
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,877
Sorry, excuse me.
Charlotte Harris?

475
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:08,878
Nick Davies at The Guardian.

476
00:22:08,961 --> 00:22:10,877
I believe you represent
Gordon Taylor.

477
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,878
I'm due in court.

478
00:22:11,961 --> 00:22:14,877
I understand that he's suing News
Of The World for breach of privacy.

479
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,877
Mr Davies, whether or not
Mr Taylor is my client,

480
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,877
I have no interest in
talking to any press. Sorry.

481
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,877
These so-called journalists...

482
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,877
bring our whole
industry into disrepute.

483
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,960
You're very persistent.

484
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,877
Well, can you...

485
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,877
can you tell me, then,
about John Hewison?

486
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,877
He's also a claimant, is he not?

487
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,397
And the interesting thing is,

488
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,397
if you ask the public
who those two are,

489
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,877
they might know Taylor.

490
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,877
They wouldn't know Hewison
because he's a lawyer.

491
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,717
Like you.

492
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,877
He's entrusted with
the secrets of others,

493
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,877
in the secrets of sports
stars, in his case,

494
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,557
which makes him interesting
to the News Of The World.

495
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,397
This is a news operation,

496
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,877
which is trying to undermine
the confidentiality

497
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,877
that crucially underlies
your profession.

498
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,877
If you want to fight it...

499
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,717
well, you're a tiger,
but they're lions.

500
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,960
The Guardian's a lion too.

501
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,877
Well, what if I'm neither
a lion nor a tiger?

502
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,960
What if... I am a walrus?

503
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,877
Walruses can be fierce.

504
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,878
And what if you're a...

505
00:23:13,961 --> 00:23:15,877
See, I'm trying to think
of an annoying animal.

506
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,877
Has Mr Taylor
settled? SHE LAUGHS

507
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,237
What evidence do you have?
Are there other claimants?

508
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,557
I'm sure you must... you must be
looking to engage more clients.

509
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,237
Privacy cases like
this can sometimes...

510
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,877
HE STUTTERS What
did Max Mosley get?

511
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,877
£60,000 and costs.

512
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,877
Line enough up, you could
have a class-action suit

513
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,077
worth a lot of money.

514
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,557
You were doing well,
reasonably well,

515
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,877
until you brought money into it.

516
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,877
I can't talk to you
about specific cases,

517
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,960
but I can tell you...

518
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,960
...I can tell you that there
is so much more to come.

519
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,960
PHONE BEEPS

520
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,960
PHONE BUZZING

521
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,878
Yep.

522
00:24:04,961 --> 00:24:06,557
MR APOLLO: 'You've
got the name.'

523
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,877
Mr Apollo, you're back.

524
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,877
Are you watching me?

525
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,120
'I take it you're still
interested in this case, then?'

526
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,917
The deer is in the fireplace.
The lion is alight.

527
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,877
Wh-What the fuck are you doing?

528
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,877
Sorry, I... I have a
tendency to make jokes.

529
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,960
I was trying to... trying
to be a Russian spy.

530
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,877
We could be spotted at any
moment. Do you know the risks?

531
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,878
I do. Sorry.

532
00:24:32,961 --> 00:24:34,877
MR APOLLO SIGHS

533
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,877
So, you found the lawyer.

534
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,877
Is this some kind of a test?

535
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,237
Do I get a prize
at the end of it?

536
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,877
Do you know how much
they're settling for? No.

537
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,878
MR APOLLO CHUCKLES

538
00:24:43,961 --> 00:24:48,877
£400,000 in damages, another
£300,000 in legal expenses,

539
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,877
and their associates are
getting £140,000 in damages,

540
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,717
plus their legal.

541
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,877
The whole package comes in at
just over a million pounds.

542
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,878
Now, that's a lot,

543
00:24:57,961 --> 00:25:00,237
even for News
International, to stomach.

544
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,960
But...

545
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,878
Max Mosley was...

546
00:25:03,961 --> 00:25:06,877
They accused him of
being a Nazi at an orgy.

547
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,878
All he got was...

548
00:25:07,961 --> 00:25:10,960
Was £60,000, yes. Now
you're getting it.

549
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,877
Look, I need...

550
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,397
I need paperwork,
or-or audio recording,

551
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,877
some sort of hard evidence.

552
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,237
I don't even have to publish it.

553
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,717
I just need to be able
to show The Guardian.

554
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,877
The preliminary hearings in
2007, they're public record.

555
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,480
That's not enough.

556
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,960
Mm.

557
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,960
Right.

558
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,877
What is it? You'll work it out.

559
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,878
Can I use it? Nope.

560
00:25:39,961 --> 00:25:41,877
I need to be able to use it.

561
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,877
Summarise it, yes.

562
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,878
Show it to your editor, yes.

563
00:25:44,961 --> 00:25:47,237
Quote from it, no.

564
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,960
Can I have your number?

565
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,960
Be careful, Nick.

566
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,960
This could get nasty.

567
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,960
PHONE RINGING

568
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,917
I have a piece on MPs' expenses
I want you to have a look at.

569
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,877
OK. Do you want
some gingerbread?

570
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,877
My mother made it.
It's not very good.

571
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,237
I have evidence.

572
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,917
How long did that
take you to get?

573
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,800
Maybe two months. And
you've never mentioned it?

574
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,917
They're paying out
millions to cover this up.

575
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,480
This is a story.

576
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,717
Nick, newspapers
reporting on newspapers...

577
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,877
But the editor of that newspaper
is about to enter government.

578
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,877
If Andy Coulson was complicit
in hacking phones as an editor,

579
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,080
imagine what he might do to
enemies of the Government.

580
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,237
Show me what you have.

581
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,960
OK, so...

582
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,877
Printout of an email.

583
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,877
Ross.hindley@news-of-the-world
to shadowmen@yahoo.co.uk.

584
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,237
It's Glenn Mulcaire's email.
His email was "shadow men"?

585
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,877
Mm. It says, "Transcript
for Neville."

586
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,877
"Wednesday, 29th of June, 2005."

587
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,077
I can read.

588
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,557
And Neville is...?

589
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,877
Neville Thurlbeck. Chief
reporter at News Of The World.

590
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,877
There are transcripts
of 35 voicemail messages

591
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,877
which had been left on the phones
of Gordon Taylor and a colleague.

592
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,878
It wasn't just Clive Goodman.

593
00:27:15,961 --> 00:27:17,960
And then there's this.

594
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,917
Greg Miskiw, assistant editor,

595
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,877
approving a payment
of £7,000 to Mulcaire

596
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,397
for a story on Gordon Taylor.

597
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,877
And the police have access
to all of this and more.

598
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,878
Can we use these?

599
00:27:30,961 --> 00:27:32,800
No.

600
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,960
Can we get your Mr Apollo
to speak on the record?

601
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,877
How long have we
known each other?

602
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,877
I've no idea.

603
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,877
And no interest in
trying to work that out.

604
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,877
It'll make me feel old.

605
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,878
Nearly 30 years.

606
00:27:44,961 --> 00:27:46,877
This is it, Alan.

607
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,877
There is an industry
making huge profit

608
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,877
from invading people's
private lives,

609
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,877
and Rupert Murdoch's
bullying tabloids

610
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,960
have explicitly encouraged
it and are buying it.

611
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,960
This matters.

612
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,000
Tin hats on.

613
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Good. OK.

614
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,877
I'll-I'll let you know
when I've got something.

615
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Thanks, Alan.

616
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,397
'You may think you
lead a private life,

617
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,237
'but The Guardian has
uncovered evidence

618
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,557
'to suggest otherwise.

619
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,877
'This strange story began in
2006 with the arrest of two men.

620
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,917
'The News Of The World
Royal Editor, Clive Goodman,

621
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,917
'and private investigator
Glenn Mulcaire.

622
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,877
'The men pled guilty to
phone hacking charges

623
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,077
'and served prison sentences.

624
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,557
'Following an investigation,
the paper told the world

625
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,877
'that hacking was the work
of "one rogue reporter".

626
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,877
'The story should
have ended there.

627
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,960
'But it didn't.'

628
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,960
HE GROANS

629
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,877
RUPERT MURDOCH: 'From
the beginning on,

630
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,877
'newspapers have
prospered for one reason -

631
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,877
'giving readers the
news they want.'

632
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,877
Shit.

633
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,717
Shit! Shit, shit, shit, shit,
shit, shit, shit, shit, shit!

634
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,960
HE GROANS

635
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,077
Keep it simple.

636
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,397
'Rupert Murdoch's
News Group Newspapers

637
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,717
'had paid out more
than £1,000,000

638
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,917
'to settle legal cases that
threatened to reveal evidence

639
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,877
'of his journalists'
repeated involvement

640
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,877
'in the use of criminal
methods to get stories.'

641
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,877
ALAN: "The payments secured secrecy
over out-of-court settlements"

642
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,877
"in three cases that
threatened to expose evidence

643
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,877
"of Murdoch journalists
using private investigators

644
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,077
"to illegally hack into
the mobile phone messages

645
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,877
"of numerous public figures."

646
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,877
"Cabinet ministers, MPs,
actors and sports stars"

647
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,877
"were all targets of
private investigators."

648
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,877
Are you sure we can safely
list all those groups?

649
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,877
We already have evidence
of actors, Elle MacPherson,

650
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,877
sport stars, Sky
Andrew... MPs, then?

651
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,877
I have an invoice, er,

652
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,877
recording a payment to
a private investigator

653
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,917
showing John Prescott
had been targeted.

654
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,237
It's likely hacking.

655
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,877
This article has no named sources,
no evidence on the record.

656
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,877
Alan thinks we have
enough. I do too.

657
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,877
And we haven't got
right of reply.

658
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,717
It's a declaration
of bloody war.

659
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,237
Murdoch and Brooks, they
have nuclear weapons.

660
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,877
Right now, they do.

661
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,877
But we can neuter their
nuclear weapons with this.

662
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,877
If we do, Fleet Street
will fall in behind us,

663
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,877
the police soon after.
And they have...

664
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,877
When they find the
information they already have.

665
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,878
Information they've lost?

666
00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:29,877
Information they
don't know they have.

667
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,917
This is The Met
we're talking about.

668
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,877
Look, once we publish,
they'll be forced to act.

669
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,877
Can we name Coulson?

670
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,077
Now you're worried I
haven't gone far enough.

671
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,237
No, it makes it more
in the public interest

672
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,877
if we can name him.

673
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,877
I did ring Conservative
HQ - right to reply, Gill.

674
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,877
I asked about the Gordon
Taylor settlement.

675
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,877
His office replied - it
"didn't ring any bells".

676
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,877
We've nothing that
directly links him.

677
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,878
I agree.

678
00:30:50,961 --> 00:30:52,877
But...

679
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,877
we can say...

680
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,877
that he was the editor in place

681
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,877
when journalists for whom he was
responsible, etc, etc, etc...

682
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,877
That's good.

683
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,000
That's good.

684
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Yes?

685
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000
I'm uneasy. But
if you're sure...

686
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,960
I am.

687
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,480
RUFUS: It reads well.

688
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,960
OK.

689
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,877
At half past five in the afternoon
on Wednesday, 8th of July, 2009,

690
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,877
we posted my news story
on The Guardian website.

691
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,877
As it ran, The Guardian news desk
asked a reporter, Caroline Davies,

692
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,237
to call John Prescott,
ex-Deputy Prime Minister,

693
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,640
to get a quote.

694
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,877
I told him the gist of the story,
and he said, "Fookin' 'ell!"

695
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,877
'You'd have thought the police,

696
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,397
'in the committing of
a criminal offence,

697
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,877
'as, clearly, it
is, against anyone,

698
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,077
'and particularly, you'd have
thought, a Cabinet member,

699
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,877
'they would have
told me about it.

700
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,877
'I would have asked them, "What
are you gonna do about it?" '

701
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,877
Prescott roared.

702
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,960
But the house fell silent.

703
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:12,960
Anyone?

704
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,960
Anyone?

705
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,877
And Fleet Street, well...

706
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,557
CHATTER

707
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,877
Fleet Street essentially did
their best to ignore the story.

708
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,877
Ask any journalist what
a great story depends on.

709
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,160
They'll say the same thing.

710
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,877
A new angle.

711
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,877
One at least journalists
can get behind.

712
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,877
We are reliant on
our own profession

713
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,877
to follow up on stories
so they have impact.

714
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,877
To make a story newsworthy
requires multiple news outlets.

715
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,077
But on this one...

716
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,960
crickets.

717
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,877
My company couldn't have
settled the legal action

718
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:54,878
like The Guardian claims.

719
00:32:54,961 --> 00:32:56,877
If they had done, I'd
have known about it.

720
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,237
I tried to get this out
as wide as possible.

721
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,717
I talked on radio
stations, TV shows.

722
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,077
I took constant calls from
agents of public figures asking,

723
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,877
"Am I on that list?"

724
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,878
I slept about four hours.

725
00:33:06,961 --> 00:33:09,397
And then, at five
in the afternoon,

726
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,877
I was surprised to
hear that John Yates,

727
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,917
Assistant Commissioner
of Scotland Yard,

728
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,397
was preparing to
make a statement.

729
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,877
Good afternoon.

730
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,877
I was not involved
in the original case

731
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,877
and clearly come at this
with an independent mind.

732
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,878
In my opinion, what I've seen

733
00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:28,917
is a most careful investigation
by very experienced detectives.

734
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,877
He proceeded to gently
demolish our work.

735
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,877
We'd suggested there were
thousands of victims.

736
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,877
The potential targets may have
run into hundreds of people.

737
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,877
But our inquiry showed that
they only used the tactic

738
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,877
against a far smaller
number of individuals.

739
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,877
And since no additional
evidence has come to light,

740
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,397
I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.

741
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,877
Thank you. That's all for today.

742
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,077
REPORTER: Does that mean The
Guardian fabricated the story?

743
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,877
REPORTERS CLAMOUR

744
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,877
NICK SIGHS

745
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,877
'..may have run into
hundreds of people.

746
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,877
'But our inquiry showed that
they only used the tactic

747
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,877
'against a far smaller
number of individuals.

748
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,557
'And since no additional
evidence has come to light,

749
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,877
'I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.'

750
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,877
REPORTER: 'That was Assistant
Commissioner John Yates,

751
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,960
'speaking in response to...'

752
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,917
What is it?

753
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,077
The police haven't backed us,

754
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,877
and Keir Starmer's
conducting a review.

755
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,877
He was Director of
Public Prosecutions then.

756
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,237
But he doesn't consider there
was anything inappropriate

757
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,877
in the prosecutions
undertaken in this case.

758
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,877
We are being squashed.

759
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,877
We need to speak to your Mr Apollo.
We need to get him on the record.

760
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,917
He... Mm.

761
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,877
No, he can contact me.
I can't contact him.

762
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:43,960
Nick.

763
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,877
Our colleagues upstairs
are gravely concerned.

764
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,877
Is it possible you were set up?

765
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,877
No, this is right. I've...

766
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,877
We've used no named sources,
no quotes from documents.

767
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,960
We should never have published.

768
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,877
And Murdoch has set his attack
dogs on us in the Commons.

769
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,877
They're briefing that we
can't back up our story.

770
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,960
And now the CMS Select Committee
want to see us urgently.

771
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,077
That doesn't sound great.

772
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,877
They want to barbecue you, Nick,

773
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,960
and John Yates has
given them permission.

774
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,960
I'm sorry. I, er...

775
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
I've read the runes wrong here.

776
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,877
The Guardian are putting
together a statement.

777
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,877
What kind of statement?

778
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:29,960
I'll know when I see it.

779
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,877
I feel like I'm
having a heart attack.

780
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,800
HE EXHALES

781
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,800
Why is everybody doing this?

782
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,960
HE EXHALES

783
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,877
My mother was a
strong character.

784
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,877
Intelligent,
forceful, imaginative.

785
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,877
Trapped, as she believed, in
domestic drudgery. She had...

786
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,877
She had a furious temper.

787
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,877
This wasn't the 1950s toxic ideal of
"Spare the rod and spoil the child".

788
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,077
This was mad beatings,

789
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,077
when she came after us
with a black-eyed fury,

790
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,877
armed with whatever
weapon she had to hand -

791
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,960
a dog lead, a slipper,
a riding crop, a rope.

792
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,480
Are you ready to
say you're sorry?

793
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,960
No.

794
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,077
DOOR SLAMS

795
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,877
I'd been working as a journalist
for a couple of decades,

796
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,877
thinking I was interested
in criminal justice

797
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,077
and social problems,

798
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,877
when I saw that I was
being drawn to stories,

799
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960
again and again,
with the same theme.

800
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,877
A deep-seated urge
to hit back...

801
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,877
CHILDREN SHOUTING

802
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,878
...at anybody at all...

803
00:37:06,961 --> 00:37:08,557
MAN: Mr Davies!

804
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,877
...who takes power
and abuses it.

805
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,237
Stupid child!

806
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,960
HE ROARS, SCHOOL BELL RINGS

807
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,960
PHONE BUZZES

808
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,320
HE SIGHS

809
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,877
Yeah, so, I tried
hitting him back.

810
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:01,800
Why?

811
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Seething rage.

812
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,960
I thought he looked vulnerable.

813
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Oh.

814
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,878
Didn't work.

815
00:38:11,961 --> 00:38:13,640
No.

816
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,877
You look terrible.

817
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,960
Thank you.

818
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,878
What happened to you?

819
00:38:20,961 --> 00:38:22,960
You asking me or him?

820
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,877
OK, so, I need to take
you to your mum's tonight.

821
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,877
Erm... She says she's
cool with it if you are.

822
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,000
Yeah, sure, I don't mind.

823
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,877
REPORTER: 'It's been a day of
statement and counter-statement

824
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,717
'in the phone hacking affair,

825
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,877
'with News International
angrily refuting

826
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,877
'all the allegations
made by The Guardian.

827
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,877
'With the editor
and the reporter

828
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,877
'due to appear at the
Media Select Committee,

829
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,557
'certain publications are
claiming a leftist agenda

830
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,877
'against the News Of The
World by The Guardian

831
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,917
'and calling for legal action to
be taken against the organisation

832
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,877
'if they can't back up

833
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,960
'spurious claims made
against Murdoch's paper.'

834
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,960
Hi. SHERIDAN: Hello.

835
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,877
See you, kids. Hi, kids.

836
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,877
Oh, hang on... I'm
fine, Mum. I'm fine.

837
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,877
It's my fault.

838
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,800
Sorry. Bad advice.

839
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,960
Coffee? I'll...

840
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,717
Thanks for this. I'll see
you Monday. I'm sorry.

841
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,877
Nick? Yeah?

842
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:39,917
Have you eaten?

843
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,877
When? In the last day.

844
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,878
I'm just...

845
00:39:43,961 --> 00:39:46,877
a bit tired. I'm not...
I'm not really at my best.

846
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
I need to think. And the...

847
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,877
...House of Commons Select
Committee want to see us tomorrow.

848
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,877
And The Guardian
have got this message

849
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,877
that their PR have written,
that is... that is just...

850
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,960
All right. OK.

851
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,877
You look worse than
he does. Let's...

852
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,877
WHISPERS: I didn't
tell him to fight back.

853
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,877
I told him to pick his moment. I
didn't want him to hit someone.

854
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,878
Shit.

855
00:40:10,961 --> 00:40:12,960
It's all right.

856
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Come on.

857
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,237
Sit down. Sit down.

858
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,960
Soup OK?

859
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,877
What do I do?

860
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,877
How do I make it better?

861
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,877
Er, well, we will
talk to the school.

862
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,877
You think they'll do better?

863
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,960
It's a good school.

864
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,917
Things have changed, you know.

865
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Teachers, parents, they're
not allowed to do...

866
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
There's systems, right?

867
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,960
I thought about her.

868
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,960
Earlier today, I
was reading this...

869
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,877
...papier-mache,
over-apologetic PR nonsense,

870
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,877
and I thought about all the times
I'd gone to her and apologised.

871
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,877
And all the times
that I... HE STAMMERS

872
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,960
And then my son gets
a face like that.

873
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:08,960
OK.

874
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,160
I'm gonna make the sofa up.
You're staying here tonight.

875
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,960
And I'll just put this soup on.

876
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,640
GAS HOB LIGHTS

877
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,480
PHONE BUZZES

878
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,877
LINE RINGING OUT

879
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,878
ALAN: 'Hi.'

880
00:41:49,961 --> 00:41:51,877
I can't read that statement.

881
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,877
A retraction at this time...

882
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,877
you're asking me
to say I was wrong.

883
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,237
If we can't get Mr
Apollo on the record,

884
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,917
then we need to
make a retraction.

885
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,960
You know getting him on
the record is impossible.

886
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,877
Then I'm afraid you'll
have to make that statement

887
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,397
to the Select
Committee tomorrow.

888
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,877
If you make me read
it out, I won't come.

889
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,877
If you don't come...

890
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,960
we're fucked.

891
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Oh.

892
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,960
HE SIGHS

893
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,877
HE EXHALES

894
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,917
Carl Bernstein, one
of the great reporters

895
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,877
who exposed the
Watergate scandal, said,

896
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,877
"I think all good reporting
is the same thing."

897
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,877
"The best attainable
version of the truth."

898
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:03,877
The best attainable
version of the truth.

899
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,160
The best attainable... So,
no matter what, you've got...

900
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,960
...you've got to...

901
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:28,878
Morning.

902
00:43:28,961 --> 00:43:32,557
Hi. Does this, erm,
printer-scanner thing still work?

903
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,877
Er...

904
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,878
Yeah, that one does. Coffee?

905
00:43:34,961 --> 00:43:38,877
And do you have some black paper
and some glue and some scissors?

906
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,877
Aw, are you making
me a collage, Nick?

907
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,877
Might need the kids to be
slightly late for school.

908
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,960
Right. Why?

909
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,877
OK, so, these are emails

910
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,877
written to a journalist,
that's Neville,

911
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,878
with transcriptions

912
00:43:54,961 --> 00:43:57,877
of a man called Gordon
Taylor's voicemail messages.

913
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,877
What I need you to do is to
block out all the sections

914
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,877
which are clearly transcribed
from those voice mails.

915
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,877
Leave everything else visible.

916
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,877
Should be able to tell which bits
are which. Any doubts, just ask.

917
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,877
Mm. May I ask, why aren't you
doing this at The Guardian,

918
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,237
with some sort of
vague professionalism?

919
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,877
Alan can't know.

920
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Your editor can't know?

921
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,717
Because I can't have
him tell anyone else.

922
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,877
Oh, yeah, that man is a gossip.

923
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,878
Fleet Street can't
know about this.

924
00:44:19,961 --> 00:44:22,877
As far as they know, I'm walking
naked into that committee room.

925
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,877
I was just trying to
protect my editor.

926
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,877
And my newspaper.

927
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,960
And you?

928
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,960
What sort of danger are you
putting yourself in here?

929
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,800
HE SIGHS

930
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Nick.

931
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,077
How are you, Alan?

932
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,877
I'm fine. Bit tired.

933
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,877
Something interrupted
my sleep last night.

934
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,640
I hate it when that happens.

935
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,960
I hate all of this.

936
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,397
Sorry if I've made
your life difficult.

937
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,237
My life?

938
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,960
This is bigger than me.

939
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,878
You could have brought down

940
00:45:25,961 --> 00:45:28,877
the whole Guardian
newspaper with this one.

941
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,877
But what a way to go.

942
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,237
I mean...

943
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,717
consider the glory.

944
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,717
"I, Nick Davies,"

945
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,877
"have destroyed,
utterly destroyed,"

946
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,877
"close to 200 years of
journalistic endeavour."

947
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,960
You're an absolute... God!

948
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,237
God, I can't even
think what you are.

949
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,960
You're awful.

950
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,877
You know what Peter Preston told me
when I took over the editor's desk?

951
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,877
"Why in hell did
they choose you?"

952
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,877
"Don't join the club."

953
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,877
He'd had to make
adjustments to the paper

954
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,877
after the move from
Manchester, and he didn't...

955
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,397
well, he wouldn't be
part of the media cabal.

956
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,877
He liked being on the
edge of Fleet Street.

957
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,960
He considered it
part of our DNA.

958
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,800
Last night in bed, I
realised something.

959
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,877
What you've done,
bringing us here,

960
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,960
is in the line of
great Guardian coups.

961
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,320
But I do want to keep the newspaper
I've been entrusted with alive.

962
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,877
Are you reading the statement?

963
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,960
No.

964
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,160
But I do have things to say.

965
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,877
If you go too far, I
will squeeze your leg,

966
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,960
and you will stop.

967
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,960
I've got a paper to protect.

968
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,960
And you, be sure to
protect yourself.

969
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,877
Tin hats on.

970
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,877
JOHN WHITTINGDALE: Thank you
for joining us, gentlemen.

971
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,877
Now, we have a lot of questions,

972
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,877
so try to keep opening
statements short.

973
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,237
I'd like to keep this whole
experience quite short, if I may.

974
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,877
MURMURING, LAUGHTER

975
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,960
But I do have... There
is a lot for me to say.

976
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,877
I'd like to start by
showing you, first of all,

977
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,960
copies of an email.

978
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,480
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