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It's one of the greatest alien
abduction stories of all time.

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In 1975, six men
in northeast Arizona

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witnessed their crew mate
kidnapped by a UFO.

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I hollered out,
"They got him!"

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But was Travis Walton

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really taken by aliens
or did his crewmates

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have something to do
with his disappearance?

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The sheriff kept telling me,

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"If you just tell us
where the body is?

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We can all go home."

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The six men who reportedly
eye witnessed the incident

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have taken lie detector tests.

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The story became
an international sensation,

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inspiring books, and a Hollywood movie,

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and it ripped apart a small town.

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This doesn't sound
like a true tale to me.

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What happened to Travis Walton

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that fateful night?

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What torture
was he subjected to?

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Forty five years later,
shocking new evidence

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reveals the true story behind...

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Fire in the Sky,

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the abduction of Travis Walton.

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A.P.R.O.

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The Aerial Phenomena
Research Organization

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in Tucson, Arizona.

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They were seeing several
hundred reports of UFO

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sightings each year
from all over the world.

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But one of the most bizarre
reports came recently

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from A.P.R.O.'s own backyard,

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the town of Snowflake, Arizona.

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The story begins on an ordinary day.

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A seven men logging
crew packs up after hours

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of hard work in the Apache-
Sitgreaves National Forest.

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It was a typical day
of working hard out there.

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We worked up until
the sun started going down.

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And by the time
we got all loaded up

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and ready to go,
it was getting fairly dark.

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The tight-knit crew begins

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the rough 30-mile drive back
home to Snowflake, Arizona.

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Foreman Mike Rogers
is behind the wheel

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when the men noticed
something strange.

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We hadn't gone very far.

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I mean, maybe
a quarter of a mile.

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The guys started seeing
a light through the trees.

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There was a bright light

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over to the right of us and we
couldn't really tell what it was.

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I first thought it was the Moon.

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I turned, I looked over
the other way

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and there's the Moon,
you know?

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Could it be a hunter's campfire?

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An airplane crash?

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The answer is even more terrifying.

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Right when you
come around that bend

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it just hits you all at once.

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It was just like a saucer

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just sat in the air, not moving.

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It was, uh, softly glowing.

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Like from the inside out.

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Twenty-two-year-old
Travis Walton

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in the passenger seat
startles everyone.

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Before Mike even stopped,

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Travis had, had the door
open and was getting out.

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Travis took off in a fairly
brisk walk up towards it.

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And he stood there
for just a few seconds

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and this thing
started making noise.

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It was shocking,
very shocking.

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I heard this noise,
I go, "Oh, crap."

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I felt this rumble, you know,
in the steering wheel.

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That spooked me.

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We were yelling,
"Come on, get back in here!"

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Travis, come back!

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We were all terrified.

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And all of the sudden,
this bluish light came out.

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The woods lit up
like a bluish green.

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It zapped him in the chest.

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He flies back
about 15 feet at least.

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His body bounces off the ground.

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Mike turns on the pickup
and takes off.

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There was blind panic.

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White knuckles.

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We went down the road
about a quarter of a mile...

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...then I hit the brakes.

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The guys in the truck
were saying,

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"What are you stopping for?

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That thing could be
chasing us," you know?

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And I said, "We left
Travis back there.

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So, we have to go back."

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That's when I became
hysterical, basically.

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Go back, right now.

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You don't know what it was.

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We have
to go back and get him.

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While we were outside
of the truck we saw a flash.

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Now, I assumed
it was that craft.

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Just in a straight, just...
Like that.

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Everybody got
their courage back

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till we saw it take off.

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Couldn't leave
Travis out there.

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You just don't leave
a guy behind.

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We went back...

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...very slow.

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Buddy!

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Travis!

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We walked around
the perimeter

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looking in the bushes
and that, you know,

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to see if he had crawled off.

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-Travis.
-Travis!

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Travis!

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Travis!

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But he was nowhere to be found.

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That's when Mike, he kinda fell down

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to the ground and kinda lost it.

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I broke down.

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I broke down because Travis
wasn't there.

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He was my best friend.

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Guilt-ridden, terrified

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and in way over their heads,

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the crew members decide to
call law enforcement for help.

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We all got back
in the truck, and we left.

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And that was a very,
very emotional trip.

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All right, there's telephone.

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There's this phone
at the sub station

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as we get coming off
the dirt road.

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We called the sheriff's apartment.

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The first officer arriving on scene

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is Navajo County sheriff's
deputy, Chuck Ellison.

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They were obviously very upset.

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And I tried to get just
as close to each one of them

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as I could to see
if I could detect odors

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of marihuana, alcohol...

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I didn't detect any.

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Sensing something amiss,

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Ellison talks to each
member of the crew.

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Starting with foreman Mike Rogers.

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Mike, he was the boss, you know?

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He called the shots
and how things go,

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where you're gonna go,
you know, and all that.

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The missing man, Travis Walton,

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dated Mike's sister, Dana.

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Also in the crew is Mike's
brother-in-law John Goulette.

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John's the kind of person
who gets along with everybody.

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I've known Travis
for a long, long time.

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I met him
when he was a teenager

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when I came up there
to stay with Katie and Mike.

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Goulette brought two other
friends onto the crew.

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Dwayne Smith and Allen Dalis.

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Allen Dalis was a...
Mike said, "the black sheep."

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here on the crew.

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He was a character.
He was...

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You know, he had his run ins

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with the law and that, you know.

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Rounding up
the crew are 26-year-old

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Kenny Peterson and
17-year-old's Steve Pierce.

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I was the gofer, you know?

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'Cause I was the youngest.

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When the frightened crew
members tell Deputy Ellison

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that Travis was attacked by a UFO,

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Ellison calls in his superior,

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Sheriff Marlin Gillespie.

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Marlin Gillespie was my father.

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He was the sheriff of Navajo
County for many years.

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At the time
that the incident occurred

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they called my father out

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to involve him and other deputies.

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Sheriff Gillespie showed up

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and we told him what happened,

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and he was looking around
for beer bottles and stuff,

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'cause he didn't really
believe our story.

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He thought
that these men saw something.

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That part he believed because
he said they were scared,

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but he wasn't sure
were they scared

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because of what they had done

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or were they really scared
because what they believed

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that Travis
had been taken by a UFO?

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 He looked at Mike,
he says,

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"You gotta go back
and I want two volunteers

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to come back with me.

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The other three, I want you
to go back to Snowflake

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and don't leave town."

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Mike Rogers, Allen Dalis

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and Kenny Peterson
lead the sheriff

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and his deputies to the site.

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There's no trace of Travis.

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Or the alleged craft.

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I could not see
a skid mark of any kind, like,

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as if some kind of aircraft
that touched on the ground.

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I could not see a footprint
of any kind.

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I couldn't detect any odors.

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I didn't see any burns,

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and I said, "Well, we may as well
leave because he's not here."

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Without industrial
lightning equipment

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or a huge force of officers,

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the small-town sheriff's
hands are tied.

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He'll have to wait until morning
to launch a search party

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to find out if Travis
Walton is injured,

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dead or is it possible

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that he was abducted
by aliens?

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Twenty-two-year-old
Travis Walton is missing.

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Travis' older brother, Don,
recalls the night

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that changed
his family's life forever.

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Mother came over to my home
about three o'clock in the morning.

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Mama's pretty hysterical
when she got there.

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She kept repeating,
"They got him. They got him."

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I didn't know what to think.

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Across town,
the other crewmen's families

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anxiously await the arrival
of their loved ones.

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 I was at Mike's
house because

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Mike's then wife, Katie,
and I were putting on a quilt.

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We were gonna make this big
ole quilt for a wedding,

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and Mike didn't come home
when he normally does.

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Once it's dark you can't saw
trees out in the woods.

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We were starting to get
kind of worried about him.

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Katie's younger brother
worked with Mike, too.

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John Goulette,

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so she was worried
about him as well.

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But when Mike
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his family's worries
only intensify.

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They started telling
us what was going on...

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That's when we found out
that it was Travis

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that was missing,
and my brother Mike

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looked like he had aged 20-30
years just in that day.

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Mike felt this big, huge
weight on his shoulders.

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He felt responsible for Travis.

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Mike and Angie's
little sister, Dana,

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who dated Travis at the time,
can't believe what she hears.

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Was her boyfriend
attacked by an alien ship?

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They just told me what happened.

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I think they said "UFO."

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And I was, you know, kind of
shocked about what happened.

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Like, it was hard to believe.

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But it was really scary,

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I was really worried
about Travis,

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but I could tell those guys
were telling the truth.

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They seemed very traumatized.

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It scares the hell out of you

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because your reality
just becomes so different.

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As rays of early
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stretch across
Navajo County, Arizona,

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the sleepy town of Snowflake

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awakens to an unearthly,
unsolved mystery.

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When we got up
the next morning, you know,

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my mother had let us know that
my father was investigating

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something that had happened

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out in the woods and that
somebody had been abducted

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by a UFO.

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News of Travis Walton's
UFO abduction

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spreads like wildfire.

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I've always thought
there could be UFO,

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but, uh... That story's
kinda farfetched.

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We've seen 'em.

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-You've seen 'em?
-Yeah.

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This doesn't sound
like a true tale to me.

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My father was the deputy
sheriff in Navajo County.

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I remember my father
coming home

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and talking about it
and he was rolling his eyes,

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like... Hmm.

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There was
a lot of skepticism.

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Most people were having
a hard time believing it.

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It's a very religious community.

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The elders
of the church and that,

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they were telling people,
"Hey, you know,

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this ain't true.
You all don't believe it."

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My wife didn't know
whether to believe it

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or not, you know?

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She was skeptical, you know?

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As the town of Snowflake debates

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the existence of aliens and UFOs,

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the rest of the world

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focusses their attention
on human space flight.

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Moving out.
Clear the tower.

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Roger. Tower clear.

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Just seven years earlier,
Apollo 11 first landed humans

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on the Moon, and just
a few months earlier,

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in July of 1975,

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the decade's long space race
between the United States

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and the Soviet Union

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officially came
to a peaceful end.

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Proving that space
exploration could overcome

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such earth-bound conflicts
as politics and nationalism.

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Yet as mankind casts
its hopeful eyes

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to the sky, other mysteries
from deepest space emerge.

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Reports of UFO sightings
and alien abductions

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were on the rise
in the mid-1970s.

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1975 in particular was a,
uh, an active year for UFOs.

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Across the country
there were sightings,

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and we call this a flap.

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It's a period
of activity researchers,

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uh, look for patterns as to
why this particular location,

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why this time?

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The state
of Arizona routinely ranks

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among the top areas
in the world

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for UFO-related events.

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If you go back
to the summer of '47

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there's newspaper
articles of a craft

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similar to what was
described in Roswell

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that happened only weeks
or months before.

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Then you have 1952,
the Marana Air Force Base.

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A silvery disk
was reported hovering

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over the air force base
and when they scrambled jets

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to try and get to it,
it disappeared.

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The American
Southwest is home

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to all kinds
of military installations.

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It's where we created
the first nuclear bombs.

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It's where Roswell happened.

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Why does all this
happen with UFOs?

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Because it's so important to
the United States government

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and to our military projection of power,

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and so it would make sense
that if another intelligence

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was here to find out
what makes humans tick,

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they might start there.

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Is there something
in the Southwest territory

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that attracts
extra-planetary explorers?

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Authorities in Snowflake
don't believe claims

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00:18:45,066 --> 00:18:48,867
that Travis Walton
was abducted by aliens.

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But with the loggers
whereabout unaccounted for,

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law enforcements
launches a massive manhunt.

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The sheriff's
department went up

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on the rim
to the Turkey Springs area

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where this incident
supposedly occurred.

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They had the sheriff's posse
out looking for him.

321
00:19:09,767 --> 00:19:12,300
They had helicopters
and they had dogs.

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There's people just walking.

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They had all kinds of stuff
looking for him

324
00:19:18,767 --> 00:19:20,767
and they just looked
and looked and looked.

325
00:19:21,867 --> 00:19:23,867
Travis' older brother Don,

326
00:19:23,867 --> 00:19:24,447
a forest service employee,
joins the search party.

327
00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:29,967
It was a madhouse out there.

328
00:19:32,867 --> 00:19:35,266
There's probably
150-200 people

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out searching for Travis.

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The longer they look,

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the more law enforcement
and Travis' family

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become suspicious
of foul play.

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They were thinking
the crew got

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00:19:51,667 --> 00:19:54,447
in some kind of a skirmish
and maybe killed Travis.

335
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,367
Travis' family
was all looking at Mike,

336
00:19:59,367 --> 00:20:02,467
like, "Okay, Mike,
where's our Travis?"

337
00:20:04,300 --> 00:20:06,467
I thought maybe a bad accident

338
00:20:06,467 --> 00:20:10,900
had happened where
the chainsaw may hit his body.

339
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,200
 I did the first day,
I went out there with them.

340
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,767
They kinda split us up and had
us go in different routes.

341
00:20:17,767 --> 00:20:20,367
And each group had
a deputy sheriff.

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00:20:20,467 --> 00:20:22,600
He kept telling me, you know,
"If you just tell us

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where the body is,
we can all go home."

344
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,800
Although they reported Travis

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00:20:28,867 --> 00:20:31,500
was captured by a UFO,

346
00:20:31,567 --> 00:20:35,967
the crew now realize they're
suspected of murder.

347
00:20:37,467 --> 00:20:39,867
s we started going
through these brush piles,

348
00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:42,800
I wanna know if there's anything

349
00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:45,567
in those brush piles
that might resemble a body.

350
00:20:48,367 --> 00:20:51,367
Couldn't figure out what would happen
to him, where he went, you know?

351
00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:53,300
We were all confused,
we couldn't figure out

352
00:20:53,367 --> 00:20:54,447
why we couldn't find a body.

353
00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:59,367
Travis Walton
may have disappeared

354
00:20:59,467 --> 00:21:00,667
without a trace,

355
00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:02,567
but there is evidence

356
00:21:02,567 --> 00:21:07,166
that something very strange
happened in those woods.

357
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,266
Region headquarters
in Albuquerque,

358
00:21:11,367 --> 00:21:13,467
they sent a man over
at the request

359
00:21:13,467 --> 00:21:16,767
of the sheriff's department
to bring a Geiger counter.

360
00:21:18,867 --> 00:21:23,467
Today I am the only living person

361
00:21:24,567 --> 00:21:27,066
who saw the readings
on that Geiger counter.

362
00:21:28,667 --> 00:21:32,400
Don claims he witnessed
the Geiger counter needles spike.

363
00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,900
Indicating a high
level of radiation

364
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,700
at the alleged UFO site.

365
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:44,767
 It was off scale.

366
00:21:45,867 --> 00:21:47,600
You could see the difference in the...

367
00:21:47,667 --> 00:21:49,266
What the needle was showing.

368
00:21:50,667 --> 00:21:53,500
It would drop off after, at 100 yards.

369
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:58,200
That scared me.
That kind of radiation.

370
00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:06,467
Could high levels of localize radiation

371
00:22:06,467 --> 00:22:09,467
be evidence of an alien craft?

372
00:22:24,567 --> 00:22:26,567
Wood cutters
said they were riding

373
00:22:26,667 --> 00:22:29,266
in this truck along
an isolated mountain road

374
00:22:29,367 --> 00:22:32,100
when suddenly a spaceship
hovered over them.

375
00:22:32,166 --> 00:22:34,567
This is what the spaceship
looked like according

376
00:22:34,667 --> 00:22:36,900
to one of the men
who drew this picture.

377
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,266
Another of the men,
22-year-old Travis Walton

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00:22:40,266 --> 00:22:41,867
reportedly got out of the truck

379
00:22:41,867 --> 00:22:42,664
and approached the spaceship.

380
00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:48,567
As law enforcement
and volunteers scour

381
00:22:48,567 --> 00:22:52,467
the Sitgreaves National Forest
for a second day,

382
00:22:52,467 --> 00:22:56,266
the search for Travis Walton
and the sensational claim

383
00:22:56,266 --> 00:23:00,100
of his UFO abduction makes
headlines around the world.

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00:23:02,567 --> 00:23:06,200
Media outlets descend upon
Walton's hometown

385
00:23:06,266 --> 00:23:07,700
of Snowflake, Arizona.

386
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,567
Our town had never really had
any reporters at all,

387
00:23:11,567 --> 00:23:12,664
and then all of the sudden
there's like people

388
00:23:13,567 --> 00:23:16,100
from all over the world,
all different countries.

389
00:23:16,166 --> 00:23:18,166
It was just the strangest thing

390
00:23:18,266 --> 00:23:20,767
that the word got out that fast.

391
00:23:20,867 --> 00:23:24,100
I think there was even some
reporters from Japan.

392
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,266
The media hounds everyone
involved in the case.

393
00:23:29,266 --> 00:23:32,166
Including Sheriff Marlin Gillespie.

394
00:23:32,166 --> 00:23:34,900
I just remember the phones
were ringing off the hook.

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00:23:37,767 --> 00:23:40,600
No one had pagers,
no one had cellphones

396
00:23:40,667 --> 00:23:42,664
and my father
couldn't take the phone

397
00:23:42,767 --> 00:23:44,600
off the hook because
he depended on that.

398
00:23:44,667 --> 00:23:46,367
They needed to get
ahold of them for work.

399
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,166
But reporters aren't
the only curious visitors

400
00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:53,000
to suddenly appear in Snowflake.

401
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:56,567
Mysterious out of towners cramp up

402
00:23:56,567 --> 00:23:58,166
amongst the search parties.

403
00:24:00,867 --> 00:24:04,200
You always tell, back then,
a government car

404
00:24:04,266 --> 00:24:06,767
because it was just a ugly color.

405
00:24:06,767 --> 00:24:10,100
And the rims always
matched the color of the car.

406
00:24:11,266 --> 00:24:12,664
There'd be two guys sitting in there.

407
00:24:13,166 --> 00:24:15,600
Suits and sunglasses
just watching you.

408
00:24:15,667 --> 00:24:19,100
Most people know the Men
in Black from pop culture

409
00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,667
but there have
been historically

410
00:24:21,667 --> 00:24:23,166
verified incidents

411
00:24:23,166 --> 00:24:25,367
where unidentified
government agents

412
00:24:25,367 --> 00:24:27,400
follow up on cases like this.

413
00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:30,467
I take off to go somewhere

414
00:24:30,567 --> 00:24:33,266
and by the time I got
to where I was gonna go

415
00:24:33,367 --> 00:24:35,166
they were already sitting
there waiting.

416
00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:37,266
You know?
I don't know how they knew where I was going.

417
00:24:38,467 --> 00:24:40,667
People have suspected
over the years

418
00:24:40,767 --> 00:24:42,664
that among that crowd
of people that included journalists

419
00:24:44,166 --> 00:24:48,400
and UFO observers were people
from the United States government

420
00:24:48,467 --> 00:24:50,600
who wanted to know
more about this case.

421
00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:52,367
And why would they
wanna know more about it?

422
00:24:52,367 --> 00:24:55,667
Because they knew UFOs were
real whether they admitted it

423
00:24:55,667 --> 00:24:58,667
to the public or not,
but, uh, they thought

424
00:24:58,767 --> 00:25:01,000
that the Travis Walton case
was a pretty good case.

425
00:25:20,367 --> 00:25:24,200
Travis has now
been missing for three days.

426
00:25:24,266 --> 00:25:29,100
His loved ones face
an agonizing lack of answers.

427
00:25:29,166 --> 00:25:31,900
I think everybody
got more and more worried.

428
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,600
Everybody was more
tense and scared

429
00:25:35,667 --> 00:25:37,200
the longer the time went by.

430
00:25:39,266 --> 00:25:41,767
With every passing hour the crew

431
00:25:41,867 --> 00:25:42,664
feels the crushing
pressure of suspicion.

432
00:25:45,567 --> 00:25:46,767
I wasn't going out.

433
00:25:46,767 --> 00:25:48,367
I was hiding
at a girlfriend's house

434
00:25:48,367 --> 00:25:51,166
and staying away
from everybody.

435
00:25:51,266 --> 00:25:54,367
I'd say four out of five
people thought, you know,

436
00:25:54,367 --> 00:25:57,266
it was either a hoax or,
or was a murder or something.

437
00:25:58,300 --> 00:25:59,800
Even without a body,

438
00:25:59,867 --> 00:26:02,467
the sheriff's department
investigates the case

439
00:26:02,567 --> 00:26:03,900
as a homicide.

440
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,667
It doesn't take long
to zero in on a suspect.

441
00:26:10,066 --> 00:26:12,367
Crew member Allen Dalis.

442
00:26:13,367 --> 00:26:15,300
The cops, they found out

443
00:26:15,367 --> 00:26:18,700
about a fight that Travis
and Allen Dalis was in.

444
00:26:21,367 --> 00:26:24,500
He'd fight anybody, and he
could get pretty ornery.

445
00:26:24,567 --> 00:26:26,100
He didn't like Mike and Travis.

446
00:26:28,967 --> 00:26:31,367
I was pretty confident
in my head at that time

447
00:26:31,467 --> 00:26:34,000
that Allen
had something to do with this.

448
00:26:34,066 --> 00:26:36,166
I accused him of killing Travis.

449
00:26:39,567 --> 00:26:41,266
Authorities turn up the heat

450
00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:42,664
on the remaining crew members.

451
00:26:44,266 --> 00:26:46,266
I remember my dad saying

452
00:26:46,367 --> 00:26:50,266
that Marlin Gillespie was
questioning the boys down

453
00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:52,100
saying, "Just admit,
you killed him.

454
00:26:52,166 --> 00:26:53,600
Just admit it."

455
00:26:53,667 --> 00:26:55,300
Flake pulls up and he says,

456
00:26:55,367 --> 00:26:57,000
"We know you didn't do the killing,

457
00:26:57,066 --> 00:27:00,066
but we know for sure
that Allen Dalis killed Travis

458
00:27:00,066 --> 00:27:02,567
or Jon Goulette killed him."

459
00:27:02,667 --> 00:27:06,400
Once I figured out what they
were doing and what they thought,

460
00:27:06,467 --> 00:27:08,800
you know, I pretty much stayed
away from the cops, you know.

461
00:27:10,567 --> 00:27:12,166
The sheriff's department

462
00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:14,100
asks Mike Rogers
and the other crewmen

463
00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:16,900
to submit to a polygraph examination.

464
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,967
Rogers jumps at the chance
to clear their names.

465
00:27:22,967 --> 00:27:25,400
We told him, you know,
"We'll take polygraph test.

466
00:27:25,467 --> 00:27:28,900
We'll... We'll take
sodium pentothal, hypnosis,

467
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,166
anything you can give us
because this thing really happened

468
00:27:32,166 --> 00:27:35,400
and we don't like this thing
about you accusing us of murder."

469
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,367
The men are summoned

470
00:27:44,467 --> 00:27:46,800
to take polygraph tests
at the Navajo County

471
00:27:46,867 --> 00:27:48,767
courthouse in nearby Holbrook.

472
00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:51,200
It was scary, really scary

473
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,900
to go into that courthouse.

474
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,367
The courthouse and the jail
was the same building.

475
00:27:58,867 --> 00:28:03,000
 I was more scared
the day of the polygraph test

476
00:28:03,066 --> 00:28:05,767
than I was when I saw
Travis getting zapped.

477
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,166
I didn't know who
was gonna give us this test.

478
00:28:10,266 --> 00:28:12,467
I was thinking, "You know,
they could be setting us up.

479
00:28:12,467 --> 00:28:12,664
No matter what,
we're probably gonna fail this

480
00:28:12,664 --> 00:28:14,700
No matter what,
we're probably gonna fail this

481
00:28:14,767 --> 00:28:16,367
and we'll probably
gonna go to jail."

482
00:28:16,367 --> 00:28:19,100
When we went in there we
figured we weren't coming out.

483
00:28:22,667 --> 00:28:26,166
This polygraph test
went on all day long.

484
00:28:26,166 --> 00:28:27,767
Up until the evening.

485
00:28:29,867 --> 00:28:32,600
Because the test take
about two hours a piece.

486
00:28:33,867 --> 00:28:36,767
As part of the test,
the polygrapher asks

487
00:28:36,867 --> 00:28:40,300
each crewmen the same series
of questions three times.

488
00:28:41,567 --> 00:28:42,664
The first three questions regard

489
00:28:43,567 --> 00:28:46,000
the alleged murder of Travis Walton.

490
00:28:46,066 --> 00:28:48,300
The subject of the final question

491
00:28:48,367 --> 00:28:50,266
is the UFO.

492
00:28:50,367 --> 00:28:52,467
Once the test got underway

493
00:28:52,467 --> 00:28:55,100
he started changing his
mind really quickly.

494
00:28:56,767 --> 00:28:59,000
By the time he had
tested all of us,

495
00:28:59,066 --> 00:29:01,066
he seemed to be a believer.

496
00:29:02,266 --> 00:29:03,867
Five of the six men passed

497
00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:05,967
the lie detector test outright.

498
00:29:05,967 --> 00:29:12,066
Only Allen Dalis' test
comes back as inconclusive.

499
00:29:12,664 --> 00:29:16,367
Allen actually passed
the first two run throughs of this test.

500
00:29:16,367 --> 00:29:19,266
It was inconclusive
because he pulled himself lose

501
00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:21,800
from a scene
in the last run through.

502
00:29:23,767 --> 00:29:25,967
The results of the polygraph

503
00:29:25,967 --> 00:29:29,166
stunned everyone
in the town of Snowflake.

504
00:29:29,166 --> 00:29:32,667
Perhaps none more so
than the polygrapher himself.

505
00:29:33,767 --> 00:29:35,867
I talked to him after the test,

506
00:29:35,967 --> 00:29:41,066
and he indicated to me that...
That apparently he was wrong.

507
00:29:41,066 --> 00:29:42,664
Unofficially he said
that he believed

508
00:29:44,367 --> 00:29:47,100
that we had told the truth.

509
00:29:48,367 --> 00:29:50,700
For five excruciating days,

510
00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:53,867
Travis Walton has been missing.

511
00:29:53,967 --> 00:29:55,867
The skeptical sheriff's department

512
00:29:55,967 --> 00:29:58,266
is back to square one.

513
00:29:58,266 --> 00:30:01,100
If Travis Walton
hasn't been murdered

514
00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:04,367
and no one can find his body
in the woods,

515
00:30:05,266 --> 00:30:07,467
where could he be?

516
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,266
Late that night, the phone
rings at Travis' sister's home.

517
00:30:21,767 --> 00:30:24,867
His brother-in-law,
Grant, answers.

518
00:30:26,667 --> 00:30:28,467
I had come home from work.

519
00:30:29,066 --> 00:30:30,300
Phone rang

520
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,467
and it was a voice
on the other side saying,

521
00:30:33,967 --> 00:30:35,300
"This is Travis.

522
00:30:36,667 --> 00:30:37,800
Come and get me."

523
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,767
Travis Walton has
been missing for five days.

524
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,100
When Travis' brother-in-law,
Grant, answers a late-night

525
00:31:01,166 --> 00:31:04,100
phone call, he assumes it's a prank.

526
00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:05,700
And I said,
"Yeah, right."

527
00:31:05,767 --> 00:31:07,567
I get ready to hang up he said,

528
00:31:07,567 --> 00:31:09,200
"No, no, no, no,
please don't hang up."

529
00:31:09,266 --> 00:31:10,638
And, so then
I started listening

530
00:31:11,467 --> 00:31:13,867
and then the conversation ended.

531
00:31:13,967 --> 00:31:17,567
I got my wife out of bed,
we went to her mother's place.

532
00:31:17,567 --> 00:31:20,667
His brother Duane
was there visiting.

533
00:31:20,667 --> 00:31:23,266
We got in the truck, drove to Heber

534
00:31:23,266 --> 00:31:24,967
where he described where he was.

535
00:31:28,667 --> 00:31:30,667
I must've passed out
'cause it seemed like almost

536
00:31:30,767 --> 00:31:34,567
immediately they were, um...
Headlights of the truck

537
00:31:34,667 --> 00:31:36,667
were shining into the phone booth

538
00:31:37,867 --> 00:31:40,266
and my brother came
over there and lifted me up.

539
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,567
And I was just hysterical.

540
00:31:45,266 --> 00:31:49,500
He sort of lifted me into the truck

541
00:31:49,567 --> 00:31:53,066
and I was just breaking down,
just disintegrating.

542
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,367
In this rare archival interview

543
00:31:58,467 --> 00:32:02,000
Travis recalls the events
leading up to the phone call.

544
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,000
Wandering the road for what feels

545
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:35,667
like hours, Travis recognizes

546
00:32:35,767 --> 00:32:38,667
the lights of Heber,
Arizona, in the distance.

547
00:32:41,967 --> 00:32:44,300
I ran down into the town

548
00:32:45,567 --> 00:32:46,967
and called my family.

549
00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:48,967
"Come and get me."

550
00:32:57,367 --> 00:32:59,467
On the way back to Snowflake,

551
00:32:59,467 --> 00:33:02,700
Travis struggles to piece
together his experience.

552
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,467
One of the biggest
shocks I had to deal with

553
00:33:07,567 --> 00:33:09,500
when I was returned
was finding out

554
00:33:09,567 --> 00:33:10,638
that this brief period of time

555
00:33:11,967 --> 00:33:14,700
had somehow taken
over five days.

556
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,166
My brother, he asked me
to feel my face

557
00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:21,967
and I had a, had a...
You know, weeks growth.

558
00:33:21,967 --> 00:33:25,300
I was... It really took
my mind just to reel at that

559
00:33:25,367 --> 00:33:28,000
because as far as I knew
it was the same night.

560
00:33:29,867 --> 00:33:32,667
I was trying to describe
what I'd experienced,

561
00:33:32,667 --> 00:33:34,767
but I was just
making it worst.

562
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,367
And he finally said,
"Don't try to talk right now."

563
00:33:40,638 --> 00:33:42,867
He talked about how scared
the family had been.

564
00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:47,767
For Travis' family,
the past week

565
00:33:47,767 --> 00:33:50,500
has been an
emotional roller coaster.

566
00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:52,000
Everybody was relieved,

567
00:33:52,066 --> 00:33:54,867
but they were still kind
of in a shock mode.

568
00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:58,767
It didn't affect me as much
as it did my wife,

569
00:33:58,767 --> 00:34:03,467
and she still doesn't
wanna be bothered with it.

570
00:34:03,567 --> 00:34:05,767
When Travis came back

571
00:34:05,867 --> 00:34:08,367
we were all so relieved.

572
00:34:10,638 --> 00:34:13,400
At the same time
the story was so hard

573
00:34:13,467 --> 00:34:17,600
to fit in to your realm
of reality, you know?

574
00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:26,800
 Even decades later,
the trauma of those five days

575
00:34:26,867 --> 00:34:31,200
still weighs heavy on Travis
and his now wife Dana.

576
00:34:33,266 --> 00:34:35,266
I was really, really worried,

577
00:34:35,266 --> 00:34:38,166
and scared that you...
What happened to you,

578
00:34:38,266 --> 00:34:40,638
I didn't know
if you'd ever be returned.

579
00:34:41,967 --> 00:34:44,200
Specially the more days went by,

580
00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:46,266
gets more and more scary.

581
00:34:47,266 --> 00:34:48,367
Well...

582
00:34:48,367 --> 00:34:50,600
Did you ever
think for a minute

583
00:34:50,667 --> 00:34:53,500
that maybe the guys
or Mike or something

584
00:34:53,567 --> 00:34:56,467
-were covering up a killing, a murder?
-No.

585
00:34:56,567 --> 00:34:58,300
No, I never thought that.

586
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:01,500
Yep.

587
00:35:01,567 --> 00:35:05,266
I even went out to the window,
and I looked up on the sky

588
00:35:05,367 --> 00:35:08,400
and I said, "Will you please
bring Travis back?"

589
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,400
-I'm sorry.
-That must've hurt you.

590
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,867
With Travis in such a fragile state,

591
00:35:36,867 --> 00:35:39,767
his brother Duane
is determined to protect him

592
00:35:39,767 --> 00:35:40,638
from any intense
scrutiny by the media

593
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:42,100
from any intense
scrutiny by the media

594
00:35:42,166 --> 00:35:43,700
or law enforcement.

595
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,266
Desperate for assistance,
he reaches out

596
00:35:48,266 --> 00:35:51,066
to the Aerial Phenomena
Research Organization

597
00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:52,367
or A.P.R.O.

598
00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,400
A Tucson based
UFO investigative group.

599
00:35:57,767 --> 00:36:01,400
Jim and Coral Lorenzen
really assembled A.P.R.O.

600
00:36:01,467 --> 00:36:03,867
with the key focus
of having a credible

601
00:36:03,967 --> 00:36:07,500
and scientific, unbiased perspective.

602
00:36:07,567 --> 00:36:09,967
That's why they brought in
medical doctors,

603
00:36:10,638 --> 00:36:12,867
they brought in, uh,
scientists that were respected

604
00:36:12,867 --> 00:36:15,567
in their fields
and consulted with them

605
00:36:15,667 --> 00:36:16,800
whenever they did a case.

606
00:36:18,066 --> 00:36:20,467
My brother Duane,
he had contacted

607
00:36:20,567 --> 00:36:22,100
Jim Lorenzen, the head

608
00:36:22,166 --> 00:36:25,467
of the Aerial Phenomena
Research Organization

609
00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:28,000
who had a couple
of medical doctors

610
00:36:28,066 --> 00:36:29,967
in their Phoenix membership

611
00:36:29,967 --> 00:36:32,367
who agreed to do
an examination.

612
00:36:34,467 --> 00:36:35,967
In the dead of night,

613
00:36:35,967 --> 00:36:39,467
Duane Walton secretly sneaks
Travis out of Snowflake.

614
00:36:40,667 --> 00:36:44,100
A.P.R.O. arranged for Travis
to go to a hotel in Phoenix.

615
00:36:44,166 --> 00:36:46,967
He checked in
under an assumed name

616
00:36:46,967 --> 00:36:49,100
and then they sent over two A.P.R.O.

617
00:36:49,166 --> 00:36:50,767
affiliated medical doctors.

618
00:36:52,266 --> 00:36:53,767
They didn't want any leaks

619
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,800
of what was happening with Travis

620
00:36:56,867 --> 00:36:59,166
with his, uh, medical condition,

621
00:36:59,266 --> 00:37:01,200
and, and all the testing.

622
00:37:03,266 --> 00:37:05,567
Before medical
tests are performed,

623
00:37:05,567 --> 00:37:08,166
Travis tell the physicians
what he remembered

624
00:37:08,266 --> 00:37:10,638
from the night
of November 5th, 1975,

625
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,100
starting with the moment
he exited the truck.

626
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:23,500
It just was kind
of a... A sort of an impulse.

627
00:37:23,567 --> 00:37:25,000
Seeing this object there...

628
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:28,867
For some reason
I just kind of assumed

629
00:37:28,967 --> 00:37:31,800
that it was gonna take off
before I got very far.

630
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:37,200
We could hear a real low
rumbling sort of a sound.

631
00:37:40,638 --> 00:37:43,066
Pounding, you know, like
a heartbeat sort of a thing.

632
00:37:44,867 --> 00:37:47,900
And then some real
high frequency sorts of sounds.

633
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,967
Very hard to describe
these sounds.

634
00:37:53,367 --> 00:37:56,266
The closer I got,
it suddenly got louder,

635
00:37:58,100 --> 00:37:59,767
and it started to move.

636
00:38:01,567 --> 00:38:05,367
I was startled and out of fear
I just jumped for cover.

637
00:38:10,638 --> 00:38:13,767
Then I was figuring out,
"Boy, I've really got myself

638
00:38:13,867 --> 00:38:15,100
in a bad situation here."

639
00:38:16,567 --> 00:38:19,767
I stood up with the idea
of running back to the truck,

640
00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:22,000
but as soon as I raised up,

641
00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:25,066
that's when I felt this stunning force.

642
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,667
The next thing Travis remembers

643
00:38:36,667 --> 00:38:40,638
is waking up on the side
of the road five days later.

644
00:38:44,467 --> 00:38:47,266
To make sense of
the missing time in between,

645
00:38:47,367 --> 00:38:49,867
Travis agrees
to undergo a controversial

646
00:38:49,867 --> 00:38:52,700
technique called
regressive hypnosis.

647
00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:55,667
Regressive hypnosis
has been used, uh,

648
00:38:55,667 --> 00:38:58,166
popularly since
the Betty and Barney Hill

649
00:38:58,266 --> 00:38:59,967
abduction in 1961.

650
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:02,100
Tapes of Betty and Barney

651
00:39:02,166 --> 00:39:04,800
while abducted are still
chilling even today.

652
00:39:10,867 --> 00:39:12,767
Oh. Oh!

653
00:39:19,467 --> 00:39:22,000
An hypnosis session
is scheduled with A.P.R.O.'s

654
00:39:22,066 --> 00:39:24,600
director of research,
Dr. James Harder.

655
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,100
In the meantime,
Travis' doctors perform

656
00:39:29,166 --> 00:39:30,367
a battery of tests.

657
00:39:35,066 --> 00:39:37,867
Blood and urine
samples were taken

658
00:39:37,967 --> 00:39:40,638
that were put through
the county medical examiners

659
00:39:41,467 --> 00:39:45,000
drug screen that's
extremely good at detecting

660
00:39:45,066 --> 00:39:48,467
traces of drugs of
which there were none.

661
00:39:49,967 --> 00:39:53,266
Despite A.P.R.O.'s and
the family's best efforts,

662
00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:57,667
Travis' reappearance does not
remain secret for long.

663
00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:01,500
The operator who
patched Travis through to call

664
00:40:01,567 --> 00:40:05,166
his sister's house
listened in on the call.

665
00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:08,166
Remember, this is 1975,
where they actually did have

666
00:40:08,266 --> 00:40:10,100
operators who patched
people through.

667
00:40:11,266 --> 00:40:13,867
She recognized the name
as he tried to make this,

668
00:40:13,867 --> 00:40:16,600
uh, collect call
from Travis Walton,

669
00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:18,100
that this was big news.

670
00:40:18,767 --> 00:40:20,400
So she takes that information

671
00:40:20,467 --> 00:40:23,066
and leaks it
to the sheriff's office.

672
00:40:23,066 --> 00:40:25,467
His family was fully
aware that there had been

673
00:40:25,567 --> 00:40:28,000
an ensuing search for Travis,

674
00:40:28,066 --> 00:40:31,367
and yet they chose not to let
the law enforcement community,

675
00:40:31,467 --> 00:40:34,066
um, know that he had been found.

676
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,967
Travis' family feels he is

677
00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:39,500
too emotionally unstable
to face questioning

678
00:40:39,567 --> 00:40:40,638
from the sheriff's department.

679
00:40:41,066 --> 00:40:43,900
For the first few days
after his return,

680
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,100
Travis' brother Duane acts
as the family's spokesperson.

681
00:40:48,166 --> 00:40:50,567
Obviously, Duane,
you know your own brother

682
00:40:50,567 --> 00:40:51,800
probably better than anybody else.

683
00:40:51,867 --> 00:40:53,400
Do you believe the story?

684
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,066
I've never seen him play
a practical joke in his adult life.

685
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,767
The veracious media
runs with the story.

686
00:41:01,867 --> 00:41:04,800
Before long, it's international news.

687
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,700
Well, now the story that has been hitting

688
00:41:07,767 --> 00:41:09,767
the headlines all over the United States

689
00:41:09,767 --> 00:41:10,638
is the one we told you about last week,

690
00:41:11,467 --> 00:41:13,500
of the man who disappeared
after seeing

691
00:41:13,567 --> 00:41:16,000
what his friends
thought was a flying saucer.

692
00:41:16,066 --> 00:41:18,166
After a five days search by police,

693
00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:21,467
Travis Walton has turned up
unharmed and he says

694
00:41:21,567 --> 00:41:24,567
that he was taken aboard
a spaceship but the police,

695
00:41:24,567 --> 00:41:26,900
of course, no way
of checking his story.

696
00:41:28,567 --> 00:41:30,166
As law enforcement

697
00:41:30,166 --> 00:41:34,200
and journalists scramble
hear the story firsthand,

698
00:41:34,266 --> 00:41:38,867
Travis remains sequestered
in a Phoenix hotel room

699
00:41:40,638 --> 00:41:44,066
reliving his experience
of abject horror.

700
00:42:01,266 --> 00:42:04,033
On November 14th, 1975,

701
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:07,266
four days after his return,
Travis Walton

702
00:42:07,266 --> 00:42:08,934
meets with Dr. James Harder

703
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,667
at the Aerial Phenomena
Research Organization

704
00:42:11,767 --> 00:42:13,266
in a Phoenix hotel room.

705
00:42:14,667 --> 00:42:16,567
Surrounded by his loved ones,

706
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:20,166
Dana and his brother Duane,
Travis prepares to go undergo

707
00:42:20,233 --> 00:42:23,967
a technique called
regressive hypnosis

708
00:42:24,033 --> 00:42:28,100
to help him face
his most petrifying memories.

709
00:42:55,734 --> 00:42:58,867
Physically, Travis is sitting
on the hotel room sofa...

710
00:43:02,166 --> 00:43:05,667
...but mentally, Dr. Harder
takes him back to the moment

711
00:43:05,767 --> 00:43:08,467
he was abducted
on board the alien ship

712
00:43:13,066 --> 00:43:16,670
and the next terrifying
five days of missing time.

713
00:43:18,567 --> 00:43:22,233
Visualize just what's
in front of you there.

714
00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:26,667
Tell me what it is
that your eyes see.

715
00:43:34,166 --> 00:43:36,166
I was laying on my back.

716
00:43:37,567 --> 00:43:39,266
I came to slowly...

717
00:43:40,667 --> 00:43:42,967
At first I thought
I was in a hospital.

718
00:43:44,266 --> 00:43:46,670
I felt like there was
something seriously wrong.

719
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,600
There was a light above me.

720
00:43:51,667 --> 00:43:54,667
It wasn't so bright I couldn't
look at it, but it sort of,

721
00:43:54,734 --> 00:43:58,467
uh, interfered with seeing
other things around me.

722
00:44:00,266 --> 00:44:03,767
But I was looking around
to see where I was.

723
00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:09,367
It was a very small space,

724
00:44:09,467 --> 00:44:12,967
but there was something lying
on my chest.

725
00:44:14,467 --> 00:44:16,670
There seem to be,
you know, some kind of, uh,

726
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:18,500
light coming from it.

727
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:24,667
When I looked beyond
the edge of that, I saw faces,

728
00:44:24,734 --> 00:44:28,033
but it was so blurry
that I kind of assumed

729
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:32,066
it was like, uh, doctors
wearing, uh, surgical masks.

730
00:44:33,066 --> 00:44:35,033
It was only a matter of seconds

731
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:38,600
before I realized that these
weren't human doctors.

732
00:44:39,834 --> 00:44:41,367
This was an alien face.

733
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:48,367
They were about five foot tall, no hair,

734
00:44:48,834 --> 00:44:50,600
very white skin,

735
00:44:50,667 --> 00:44:53,867
small features except for large eyes.

736
00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:58,266
The beings Travis encounters,

737
00:44:58,266 --> 00:45:00,400
they're a striking resemblance

738
00:45:00,467 --> 00:45:05,266
to grey aliens reported in
other UFO abduction stories.

739
00:45:06,166 --> 00:45:08,834
Greys are the most
common description

740
00:45:08,834 --> 00:45:11,467
of some of these others
that have been visiting us.

741
00:45:12,734 --> 00:45:14,867
Three and a half to four feet tall,

742
00:45:14,934 --> 00:45:16,467
big black eyes,

743
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:18,567
larger heads, not much of a nose,

744
00:45:18,667 --> 00:45:20,066
not much of a mouth.

745
00:45:20,133 --> 00:45:23,066
Spindly little things,
that's what he saw.

746
00:45:26,967 --> 00:45:30,166
To Travis,
this strange appearance

747
00:45:30,233 --> 00:45:34,567
and blank expressions
are unnerving.

748
00:45:34,567 --> 00:45:38,567
The feeling of pain,
the feeling of suffocation,

749
00:45:38,667 --> 00:45:42,166
at the same time
they expressed no emotion

750
00:45:42,266 --> 00:45:43,266
to their face.

751
00:45:43,266 --> 00:45:44,467
It seemed threatening.

752
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:46,670
I just freaked out at that point.

753
00:45:49,367 --> 00:45:51,600
And jumped off of the table there.

754
00:45:53,266 --> 00:45:56,467
And when I did,
this device fell off.

755
00:45:57,767 --> 00:46:01,467
Travis' survival
instincts kick in full force.

756
00:46:01,567 --> 00:46:03,266
It was were just fight or flight

757
00:46:04,166 --> 00:46:06,967
and I grabbed, um, rod or tube

758
00:46:07,033 --> 00:46:09,600
and just started swinging to the air.

759
00:46:11,467 --> 00:46:14,367
The only opening in
the room was beyond them.

760
00:46:17,667 --> 00:46:19,467
Suddenly and without warning,

761
00:46:19,467 --> 00:46:21,500
the aliens change course.

762
00:46:23,066 --> 00:46:24,367
They left the room.

763
00:46:25,233 --> 00:46:26,467
I was afraid they'd come back,

764
00:46:26,567 --> 00:46:31,233
so I left there, uh,
looking for a way out.

765
00:46:38,667 --> 00:46:42,867
The whole craft was lit up
in a way that I would consider

766
00:46:42,934 --> 00:46:46,467
to be pretty, pretty dim by,
you know, human standards.

767
00:46:48,567 --> 00:46:53,133
I felt like there was an
insufficient amount of air.

768
00:46:53,133 --> 00:46:55,667
Like I couldn't get enough
air just breathing.

769
00:46:55,767 --> 00:46:57,867
Air was thin but humid.

770
00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:01,367
Struggling to see
and desperate for air,

771
00:47:02,367 --> 00:47:04,367
Travis comes
across another door.

772
00:47:05,667 --> 00:47:09,000
The room appears to be empty
except for a single chair.

773
00:47:10,133 --> 00:47:13,467
As Travis approaches,
he notices the light

774
00:47:13,567 --> 00:47:15,367
in the room shift.

775
00:47:17,066 --> 00:47:19,400
There was some
kind of a projection

776
00:47:19,467 --> 00:47:21,767
or some kind of a viewing thing

777
00:47:21,834 --> 00:47:24,266
in this room where you could
see a map of stars.

778
00:47:27,166 --> 00:47:29,734
The points of lights
that came through it

779
00:47:29,734 --> 00:47:34,767
were not real visible
until I got near the chair.

780
00:47:34,867 --> 00:47:37,567
Away from the chair
the walls didn't seem

781
00:47:37,567 --> 00:47:39,867
to have those points
of lights so much.

782
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:43,767
Could it be
some kind of control room?

783
00:47:44,767 --> 00:47:46,670
Travis looks
for any means of escape.

784
00:47:47,734 --> 00:47:50,767
On the arm of
the chair was a screen

785
00:47:50,834 --> 00:47:55,133
and some colored spots,
uh, I took to be buttons.

786
00:47:56,266 --> 00:47:58,033
I was just thinking
these buttons

787
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,834
might open one of these
doorway looking things.

788
00:48:01,567 --> 00:48:04,967
Foolishly assuming that a door

789
00:48:05,033 --> 00:48:07,467
would just be opened to the air,

790
00:48:07,567 --> 00:48:09,367
and I could drop
to the ground, you know?

791
00:48:09,467 --> 00:48:11,233
Fifteen-20 feet.

792
00:48:11,233 --> 00:48:14,066
I could handle that
just to get out of there.

793
00:48:15,266 --> 00:48:16,670
The buttons have no effect.

794
00:48:17,834 --> 00:48:20,667
Travis has no choice but
to look for another way out.

795
00:48:21,867 --> 00:48:25,767
Just then he notices,
he's not alone.

796
00:48:28,166 --> 00:48:31,367
The form looks oddly familiar.

797
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:35,133
Could it be human?

798
00:48:39,066 --> 00:48:41,266
In a Phoenix hotel room,

799
00:48:41,333 --> 00:48:44,934
Travis Walton's loved ones
sit in stunned silence

800
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,533
as he recounts
the traumatic nightmare

801
00:48:47,533 --> 00:48:50,767
of being trapped aboard a UFO.

802
00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:55,934
I didn't actually hear the story

803
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,433
until he was put under hypnosis,

804
00:48:58,433 --> 00:49:00,233
and I was in the room
with him when...

805
00:49:00,233 --> 00:49:02,867
So when he told
the story it was really...

806
00:49:02,934 --> 00:49:06,934
Shocking, it was scary to me,
what he had to go through.

807
00:49:10,734 --> 00:49:13,266
After trying
in vain to open a doorway

808
00:49:13,333 --> 00:49:14,667
or escape hatch,

809
00:49:14,767 --> 00:49:17,867
Travis has no choice
but to return to the corridor

810
00:49:17,934 --> 00:49:20,767
and search
for another means of escape,

811
00:49:20,834 --> 00:49:25,567
only this time,
there's something or someone

812
00:49:25,634 --> 00:49:27,667
blocking his way.

813
00:49:27,767 --> 00:49:31,100
There was a what I took
to be a human being.

814
00:49:32,634 --> 00:49:36,166
I immediately just assume
this was air force, NASA,

815
00:49:37,047 --> 00:49:39,100
somebody, you know,
there to intervene

816
00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:42,166
and, uh, take me away
from these creatures.

817
00:49:45,667 --> 00:49:48,367
In a rare, archival interview,

818
00:49:48,433 --> 00:49:51,667
Travis describes
his encounter with the being.

819
00:49:52,767 --> 00:49:55,834
This was a...
A human-looking person.

820
00:49:56,867 --> 00:49:59,967
They'd pass in a crowd
as an individual.

821
00:50:02,033 --> 00:50:05,467
He was bigger than me,
taller, and more muscular.

822
00:50:05,533 --> 00:50:07,047
Very large individual.

823
00:50:07,047 --> 00:50:07,433
Very large individual.

824
00:50:07,433 --> 00:50:12,467
I went up and, uh,
tried to talk to this guy

825
00:50:13,266 --> 00:50:15,667
and, uh, he didn't answer me.

826
00:50:17,133 --> 00:50:19,166
When I started
yelling questions,

827
00:50:19,233 --> 00:50:21,066
trying to tell him,
"What are these things?

828
00:50:21,133 --> 00:50:22,634
Where am I?" You know,

829
00:50:22,634 --> 00:50:23,767
"Get me out of here."

830
00:50:23,834 --> 00:50:26,066
All those kind of things,
he didn't really seem to,

831
00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:28,100
uh, be responding
to anything I was saying.

832
00:50:29,867 --> 00:50:32,333
Instead, the suited stranger

833
00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:34,100
takes Travis by the arm

834
00:50:34,166 --> 00:50:37,047
and escorts him further
down the corridor.

835
00:50:37,867 --> 00:50:39,967
I went down
the hallway with him,

836
00:50:40,033 --> 00:50:43,934
very dimly lit,
but lit from above.

837
00:50:45,166 --> 00:50:47,133
When we came to a door,

838
00:50:48,266 --> 00:50:50,767
I did not see
this human-looking individual

839
00:50:50,867 --> 00:50:53,367
do anything to make
the door open, but it did.

840
00:50:54,467 --> 00:50:57,333
Travis and his enigmatic escort

841
00:50:57,333 --> 00:51:01,567
entered what appears to be
some kind of an air lock.

842
00:51:01,634 --> 00:51:05,667
We went into a little booth-like
section of the hallway.

843
00:51:09,266 --> 00:51:11,333
Then, Travis is overcome

844
00:51:11,333 --> 00:51:13,767
by a sudden shift
in the environment.

845
00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:16,867
I could feel that the air

846
00:51:16,934 --> 00:51:18,433
coming in was cooler.

847
00:51:19,233 --> 00:51:21,533
I could breathe better,

848
00:51:21,533 --> 00:51:25,533
and that the outside light
was so much brighter by comparison.

849
00:51:29,567 --> 00:51:31,467
Travis describes being ushered

850
00:51:31,567 --> 00:51:34,000
from something
like an alien aircraft hanger

851
00:51:34,066 --> 00:51:36,967
in the seldom
seen BBC documentary.

852
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:42,266
He let me out of this craft,

853
00:51:42,367 --> 00:51:45,433
which appeared to be
parked inside of a,

854
00:51:45,433 --> 00:51:48,266
a larger building, or a larger craft.

855
00:51:48,367 --> 00:51:49,667
He just took me
right out of there

856
00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:52,333
down a hallway to a room

857
00:51:52,333 --> 00:51:54,767
where there were some other
people who looked like him.

858
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,433
These two beings
are not wearing helmets,

859
00:52:00,433 --> 00:52:02,166
giving Travis a clear look

860
00:52:02,266 --> 00:52:07,047
at what ufologists refer
to as "Nordic aliens."

861
00:52:07,367 --> 00:52:12,266
Tall, human-like figures,
Scandinavian in appearance.

862
00:52:13,667 --> 00:52:15,934
In the pantheon
of aliens that keep getting

863
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,367
described by people
who have had

864
00:52:17,433 --> 00:52:20,834
abduction experiences you have
primarily the greys...

865
00:52:24,767 --> 00:52:26,734
...but you also have something
called the Nordic.

866
00:52:26,734 --> 00:52:30,133
The Nordic has come
to represent basically

867
00:52:30,133 --> 00:52:33,033
a human-looking alien.

868
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:37,047
In Travis' case, the Nordic he saw
was about six feet two inches tall,

869
00:52:38,567 --> 00:52:42,000
kind of brownish, blondish hair.

870
00:52:42,066 --> 00:52:45,734
Basically, like a Caucasian.
Could've been from Sweden.

871
00:52:49,367 --> 00:52:51,867
Travis' attention quickly shifts

872
00:52:51,967 --> 00:52:55,100
to an examination table
in the center of the room.

873
00:52:56,233 --> 00:52:58,567
The mysterious being
in the space suit

874
00:52:59,266 --> 00:53:00,667
pushes him toward it.

875
00:53:01,734 --> 00:53:03,467
He seemed to be trying to get me

876
00:53:03,533 --> 00:53:05,367
to get on the table

877
00:53:05,433 --> 00:53:07,047
and I was very much
resisting that.

878
00:53:07,867 --> 00:53:12,233
I became alarmed that he was
not answering my questions.

879
00:53:12,233 --> 00:53:14,233
I was obviously terrified
and asking,

880
00:53:14,233 --> 00:53:16,033
"Where are you taking me?
What's this all about?"

881
00:53:17,166 --> 00:53:19,667
Travis fights
with all his might,

882
00:53:19,734 --> 00:53:22,634
but the Nordics step in
and overpower him

883
00:53:22,634 --> 00:53:24,567
with superhuman strength.

884
00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:28,667
Very frightening, I was fighting back

885
00:53:28,734 --> 00:53:30,867
immediately, no longer cooperating.

886
00:53:30,967 --> 00:53:34,066
I thought I was pretty
strong in those days,

887
00:53:34,133 --> 00:53:37,047
but they didn't have too much
trouble getting me down on the table.

888
00:53:44,433 --> 00:53:46,166
They put this mask over my face,

889
00:53:46,266 --> 00:53:48,233
it's kind of like an oxygen mask.

890
00:53:48,233 --> 00:53:50,000
There was no hose connected to it,

891
00:53:50,066 --> 00:53:51,266
they put it over my face

892
00:53:51,333 --> 00:53:53,834
and that was the last thing
I knew, I just blacked out.

893
00:54:02,667 --> 00:54:05,266
Next thing
I remember was waking up

894
00:54:07,047 --> 00:54:08,367
outside, cold air

895
00:54:09,767 --> 00:54:11,266
coming into my clothes.

896
00:54:19,667 --> 00:54:21,433
In a Phoenix hotel room,

897
00:54:21,433 --> 00:54:23,467
Travis awakens from a trance,

898
00:54:24,734 --> 00:54:28,467
after recounting his harrowing
alien abduction experience.

899
00:54:29,867 --> 00:54:33,433
And to his loved ones, it's clear

900
00:54:33,433 --> 00:54:36,567
Travis will never be the same.

901
00:54:37,047 --> 00:54:38,867
He seemed really different.

902
00:54:38,967 --> 00:54:43,166
He seemed traumatized,
he seemed kind of scared.

903
00:54:43,233 --> 00:54:45,166
I felt sorry for him in a way,

904
00:54:45,233 --> 00:54:48,266
like I wanted to help him,
but I felt helpless.

905
00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:50,634
Like, I couldn't do anything for him.

906
00:54:50,634 --> 00:54:53,333
But a trauma of alien contact

907
00:54:53,333 --> 00:54:55,166
was just the beginning.

908
00:54:55,233 --> 00:54:58,734
Travis' story would spark
a firestorm of debate

909
00:54:58,734 --> 00:55:00,967
and speculation that ignites

910
00:55:01,033 --> 00:55:05,767
the town of Snowflake
and engulfs the entire world.

911
00:55:18,266 --> 00:55:19,867
After a strenuous battery

912
00:55:19,967 --> 00:55:22,667
of medical tests
and regressive hypnotherapy

913
00:55:22,734 --> 00:55:28,467
in Phoenix, Travis Walton
returns home to Snowflake.

914
00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:34,667
When I saw Travis
the next time, he was...

915
00:55:35,266 --> 00:55:37,367
He was skinny.

916
00:55:37,433 --> 00:55:40,573
But the relief and the joy
that I saw on our mother

917
00:55:43,166 --> 00:55:44,367
was awesome.

918
00:55:44,433 --> 00:55:46,166
How she just stood there
and cried.

919
00:55:47,367 --> 00:55:49,467
And my mother didn't cry
about anything.

920
00:55:50,367 --> 00:55:52,567
But over that she certainly did.

921
00:55:52,667 --> 00:55:56,667
We thought we had lost
a family member.

922
00:56:00,867 --> 00:56:02,166
The media frenzy,

923
00:56:02,233 --> 00:56:04,100
sparked by the abduction story,

924
00:56:04,166 --> 00:56:07,133
only intensifies as
Travis re-emerges.

925
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:10,573
Oh, it was a circus.

926
00:56:11,934 --> 00:56:14,934
Mother didn't have a fence
around our front yard.

927
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,367
There was probably
100 people out there.

928
00:56:17,433 --> 00:56:19,767
Reporters, all kinds of cameras.

929
00:56:20,867 --> 00:56:22,166
In an effort to keep

930
00:56:22,266 --> 00:56:26,667
the camera hounds at bay,
a still traumatized Travis

931
00:56:26,767 --> 00:56:29,367
reluctantly grants
his first interviews.

932
00:56:32,667 --> 00:56:34,367
Mr. Walton, how are you?

933
00:56:34,467 --> 00:56:35,767
I'm feeling a lot better.

934
00:56:36,467 --> 00:56:38,166
Where were you?

935
00:56:38,233 --> 00:56:39,667
I don't know.

936
00:56:42,133 --> 00:56:43,867
Did you tried
to communicate with them?

937
00:56:43,967 --> 00:56:46,767
Well, I tried
to communicate with them

938
00:56:46,867 --> 00:56:48,100
but there was no answer.

939
00:56:48,166 --> 00:56:50,066
They never talked to me or anything.

940
00:56:51,433 --> 00:56:53,000
The unwanted scrutiny

941
00:56:53,066 --> 00:56:55,166
pushes the town's people
to the brink.

942
00:56:56,634 --> 00:56:59,767
I thought the media
attention was insane.

943
00:56:59,834 --> 00:57:01,667
There was so much interest in it,

944
00:57:01,734 --> 00:57:04,433
and at the time I just
remember thinking to myself,

945
00:57:04,433 --> 00:57:07,533
"How can these people
really believe this story?" You know.

946
00:57:07,533 --> 00:57:09,000
Kinda skeptical.

947
00:57:09,066 --> 00:57:10,573
You know, seeing is believing,
and I don't see nothing.

948
00:57:12,266 --> 00:57:16,166
It was the talk
of the town for a long time,

949
00:57:16,266 --> 00:57:19,467
and I think there were people
that believed in UFOs

950
00:57:19,533 --> 00:57:23,767
and people that felt that people
that believed in UFOs were crazy.

951
00:57:26,867 --> 00:57:28,567
I didn't know if I went to a bar

952
00:57:28,634 --> 00:57:30,533
if somebody's gonna buy me a beer or,

953
00:57:30,533 --> 00:57:32,367
or take a punch at me, you now.

954
00:57:32,433 --> 00:57:34,033
New rumors circulate

955
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,033
that this was all a hoax.

956
00:57:36,967 --> 00:57:39,867
The crew, once suspected of murder,

957
00:57:40,573 --> 00:57:44,166
now find themselves
scrutinized alongside Travis' family,

958
00:57:44,266 --> 00:57:47,667
accused of pulling off
a massive con.

959
00:57:50,767 --> 00:57:52,467
You couldn't walk through town

960
00:57:52,533 --> 00:57:54,100
without people looking at you.

961
00:57:54,166 --> 00:57:57,000
When he came back they thought
it was a big ole joke.

962
00:57:59,667 --> 00:58:02,133
Ten days after that
happened I left the area.

963
00:58:02,867 --> 00:58:05,367
Went somewhere where
nobody knew me

964
00:58:05,467 --> 00:58:08,266
and didn't know my involvement
in that and never told a soul.

965
00:58:09,467 --> 00:58:10,573
It was tough.

966
00:58:11,667 --> 00:58:14,367
I think people looked at us in a way

967
00:58:14,467 --> 00:58:17,667
that we were putting on a show.

968
00:58:20,734 --> 00:58:22,567
Chief among the skeptics

969
00:58:22,667 --> 00:58:26,767
is a man who would become
Travis Walton's nemesis.

970
00:58:26,834 --> 00:58:30,767
The king of UFO debunkers,
Phillip Klass.

971
00:58:31,767 --> 00:58:33,533
Phillip Klass is probably

972
00:58:33,533 --> 00:58:38,100
the most well-renowned
UFO skeptic, uh,

973
00:58:38,166 --> 00:58:40,573
debunker, uh, maybe of all history.

974
00:58:41,767 --> 00:58:44,033
He had devoted
a great deal of time

975
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,667
and as a matter of fact had
written books ridiculing

976
00:58:46,767 --> 00:58:50,133
the idea that UFOs should be
considered serious at all.

977
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:54,634
In my opinion, the belief in UFOs

978
00:58:54,634 --> 00:58:57,767
will persist as long as there
are people on this earth,

979
00:58:58,467 --> 00:59:00,233
uh, but it is a myth.

980
00:59:01,867 --> 00:59:06,734
Now, Phillip Klass was a very
bright man, a journalist.

981
00:59:06,734 --> 00:59:10,433
He just didn't buy
the Travis Walton story.

982
00:59:10,573 --> 00:59:12,867
He thought these guys made it up,

983
00:59:12,934 --> 00:59:16,233
and he set out to prove
that anyway that he could.

984
00:59:16,233 --> 00:59:18,100
Klass does extensive research

985
00:59:18,166 --> 00:59:21,433
into the Walton story
and claims the crew

986
00:59:21,433 --> 00:59:25,000
led by Mike Rogers
concocted the UFO scheme

987
00:59:25,066 --> 00:59:27,667
to get out of their
logging contract.

988
00:59:27,767 --> 00:59:31,567
We had completed probably
over 80% of the contract,

989
00:59:31,634 --> 00:59:34,767
but we were also nearing
the completion deadline

990
00:59:34,867 --> 00:59:36,734
on the contract.

991
00:59:36,734 --> 00:59:39,000
And they wanted to
get it done before the snow

992
00:59:39,066 --> 00:59:40,573
started coming because
this was in November.

993
00:59:41,967 --> 00:59:45,667
So they were trying to hurry up
and get it done before it defaulted.

994
00:59:45,767 --> 00:59:47,567
The skeptics made much of this

995
00:59:47,634 --> 00:59:50,266
that this whole things
was some kind of a scheme

996
00:59:50,333 --> 00:59:52,567
to get out of, uh,
finishing the contract,

997
00:59:52,634 --> 00:59:55,767
but it was not at all
to Mike's advantage

998
00:59:55,867 --> 00:59:57,567
for the contract to end.

999
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,000
There was a lot of money
being held back.

1000
01:00:02,333 --> 01:00:04,166
And we had completed
most of it,

1001
01:00:05,266 --> 01:00:08,166
but once the incident happened
there was no way

1002
01:00:08,233 --> 01:00:10,233
that the contract
was gonna get finished.

1003
01:00:11,667 --> 01:00:13,266
After that happened,

1004
01:00:13,333 --> 01:00:16,333
Mike couldn't get that crew
to go back out there.

1005
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:18,367
Maybe some of them
might've been willing,

1006
01:00:18,467 --> 01:00:20,333
but most of them were not.

1007
01:00:22,767 --> 01:00:25,467
They brought in another crew

1008
01:00:25,533 --> 01:00:27,567
to finish what little we had left.

1009
01:00:27,667 --> 01:00:31,033
Much to Mike's
financial disadvantage.

1010
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:34,467
And if Mike Rogers
did think up the UFO story,

1011
01:00:35,567 --> 01:00:37,367
how did he get
his six crewmates

1012
01:00:37,433 --> 01:00:39,934
to go along with his
farfetched scheme?

1013
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,934
If you really think about it,

1014
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,867
the idea that you would
conspire with, uh, six or seven people

1015
01:00:46,967 --> 01:00:49,767
to tell an outrageous story
that would cause people

1016
01:00:49,867 --> 01:00:51,767
to think you might be a murderer,

1017
01:00:51,867 --> 01:00:53,367
it just defies logic.

1018
01:00:54,433 --> 01:00:56,467
The level of
criticism he and the crew

1019
01:00:56,567 --> 01:01:00,333
faced is yet another shock
to Travis and his family.

1020
01:01:01,467 --> 01:01:03,467
I don't like it
when people came out

1021
01:01:03,533 --> 01:01:04,867
with accusations against him.

1022
01:01:04,934 --> 01:01:06,233
I knew he was telling the truth,

1023
01:01:06,233 --> 01:01:09,634
I believed him and that was it.

1024
01:01:12,166 --> 01:01:14,567
Well, there was from the get-go

1025
01:01:14,634 --> 01:01:16,767
a great deal of resistance.

1026
01:01:16,834 --> 01:01:20,033
The idea that there
could be any life

1027
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:22,233
in the universe,
other than human life.

1028
01:01:24,734 --> 01:01:28,000
And I think that's
a very close minded

1029
01:01:28,066 --> 01:01:29,467
and limited thinking.

1030
01:01:30,867 --> 01:01:36,233
It's maybe partially
motivated out of fear or people

1031
01:01:36,233 --> 01:01:39,533
feeling that it was a threat
to religious convictions.

1032
01:01:40,573 --> 01:01:45,233
But whatever it was,
many of the accusations

1033
01:01:45,233 --> 01:01:49,233
that were levied
were easily disproved

1034
01:01:50,467 --> 01:01:54,166
because they were contraries
to verifiable facts.

1035
01:01:56,033 --> 01:01:57,934
Yet some
allegations would haunt

1036
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,433
Travis Walton for years,
leading him to wonder

1037
01:02:02,433 --> 01:02:05,767
if there's a coordinated
campaign underway

1038
01:02:05,834 --> 01:02:07,533
to discredit him,

1039
01:02:07,533 --> 01:02:10,573
and if so, who's behind it?

1040
01:02:22,433 --> 01:02:24,634
In Snowflake, Arizona,

1041
01:02:24,634 --> 01:02:28,166
alien abductee Travis Walton
and his loved ones

1042
01:02:28,266 --> 01:02:31,767
struggle to get some
semblance of normal life.

1043
01:02:33,834 --> 01:02:35,667
About two years later
we were married.

1044
01:02:37,867 --> 01:02:40,166
We dated steady
for those two years.

1045
01:02:41,567 --> 01:02:43,433
Fell in love and decided to get married.

1046
01:02:44,731 --> 01:02:47,133
We tried to make it
like nothing happened,

1047
01:02:47,133 --> 01:02:48,634
so we didn't talk about it a lot.

1048
01:02:51,133 --> 01:02:52,834
But try as they might,

1049
01:02:52,834 --> 01:02:55,266
Travis and Dana
find themselves hounded

1050
01:02:55,333 --> 01:02:57,734
by small town gossip.

1051
01:02:57,734 --> 01:02:59,767
You know, I could see
people looking at me

1052
01:02:59,867 --> 01:03:02,567
in the store and I could tell
they were thinking, you know,

1053
01:03:02,667 --> 01:03:04,133
things about me.

1054
01:03:04,133 --> 01:03:06,333
And they start
making up rumors

1055
01:03:06,333 --> 01:03:09,667
saying, "Well, the crew was
probably all using drugs.

1056
01:03:09,734 --> 01:03:11,867
They were all hallucinating."

1057
01:03:11,967 --> 01:03:14,233
We're talking in the '70s

1058
01:03:14,233 --> 01:03:14,731
and what really happened

1059
01:03:14,731 --> 01:03:15,567
and what really happened

1060
01:03:15,667 --> 01:03:18,867
if there was drugs involved,
alcohol or whatever.

1061
01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:22,367
Travis' medical tests reveal

1062
01:03:22,467 --> 01:03:25,634
no sign of drugs in his system.

1063
01:03:25,634 --> 01:03:29,333
Travis didn't do drugs.
Travis hardly even ever drank.

1064
01:03:29,333 --> 01:03:31,467
If he did, I don't even think
he did drink.

1065
01:03:32,967 --> 01:03:35,233
That job was
pretty dangerous, actually.

1066
01:03:35,233 --> 01:03:38,033
Those chainsaws don't slice you,

1067
01:03:40,433 --> 01:03:42,567
they tear chunks of meat out.

1068
01:03:42,667 --> 01:03:44,731
You can't get high or drink
and do that job, you know.

1069
01:03:45,834 --> 01:03:47,367
I don't know anybody who could.

1070
01:03:50,367 --> 01:03:52,066
Despite the naysayers,

1071
01:03:52,133 --> 01:03:54,734
Travis and the crew
have their champions.

1072
01:03:55,834 --> 01:03:58,033
Most notably groups like A.P.R.O.,

1073
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:02,166
who gather and examine evidence
to support the abduction claims.

1074
01:04:03,033 --> 01:04:04,367
First on their list,

1075
01:04:04,433 --> 01:04:07,166
Travis Walton's
physical condition.

1076
01:04:08,266 --> 01:04:10,567
The people who came
and got Travis Walton

1077
01:04:10,667 --> 01:04:14,731
found a severely dehydrated
guy who didn't look good.

1078
01:04:15,367 --> 01:04:18,767
He was in the same clothes
that he was wearing

1079
01:04:18,834 --> 01:04:20,066
when he had disappeared

1080
01:04:20,133 --> 01:04:22,066
and when they
weighed him later,

1081
01:04:22,133 --> 01:04:25,367
uh, that next morning, they found
out he was at least ten pounds

1082
01:04:25,467 --> 01:04:28,000
lighter than when he had gone
up in the mountains.

1083
01:04:30,767 --> 01:04:33,533
Yet Travis' blood
test provides the A.P.R.O.

1084
01:04:33,533 --> 01:04:36,367
doctors with some
striking information.

1085
01:04:38,033 --> 01:04:40,033
Part of, uh,
what they were looking for

1086
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:43,166
was the presence
of what they call ketones,

1087
01:04:43,233 --> 01:04:44,731
which was to indicate
whether my body

1088
01:04:46,233 --> 01:04:50,433
had been consuming
its own reserves, you know,

1089
01:04:50,433 --> 01:04:53,333
fat, even muscle
in order to maintain life.

1090
01:04:54,266 --> 01:04:56,834
He did lose ten to 12 pounds

1091
01:04:56,834 --> 01:04:58,266
in a short period of time.

1092
01:04:58,367 --> 01:05:00,266
He was severely dehydrated

1093
01:05:00,333 --> 01:05:02,667
but yet no ketones were present.

1094
01:05:02,767 --> 01:05:07,100
So, it is possible that these
visitors knew enough

1095
01:05:07,166 --> 01:05:08,333
about human biology.

1096
01:05:08,333 --> 01:05:10,767
They tried to nourish him
in some way.

1097
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:13,667
And if he wasn't picked up

1098
01:05:14,731 --> 01:05:16,166
after his crewmates left him
in the woods,

1099
01:05:16,266 --> 01:05:20,100
how did Travis survive
for those five days?

1100
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,867
To believe he was left out

1101
01:05:23,934 --> 01:05:27,033
in Sitgreaves National Forest,
not only overnight,

1102
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:28,834
but for five days is outrageous.

1103
01:05:28,834 --> 01:05:31,100
At night it gets very, very cold.

1104
01:05:31,166 --> 01:05:34,166
The guy had a jean jacket
and, and a pair of jeans on.

1105
01:05:34,233 --> 01:05:36,634
It would've been a tough,
tough things to survive.

1106
01:05:37,767 --> 01:05:40,033
A.P.R.O. researches in Arizona

1107
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:41,567
also uncover evidence

1108
01:05:41,634 --> 01:05:44,731
of an increasing level
of UFO activity

1109
01:05:44,734 --> 01:05:47,867
in the months leading
up to the abduction.

1110
01:05:47,967 --> 01:05:50,467
We had an event
that takes place in May,

1111
01:05:50,567 --> 01:05:53,133
just outside the hills of Tucson.

1112
01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:56,100
We have a mother with her
children who comes across

1113
01:05:56,166 --> 01:06:01,333
a silvery glowing object,
but most interestingly,

1114
01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:04,634
she hears a low rumbling sound

1115
01:06:04,634 --> 01:06:07,734
that's very similar
to what Travis described

1116
01:06:07,734 --> 01:06:09,834
right before this thing
appeared to take off.

1117
01:06:14,731 --> 01:06:17,867
Perhaps the strongest evidence of all

1118
01:06:17,934 --> 01:06:20,166
comes from the sheriff's department.

1119
01:06:21,333 --> 01:06:23,767
To have six witnesses all testifying

1120
01:06:23,867 --> 01:06:28,467
in detail to the same events,
and all passing

1121
01:06:28,567 --> 01:06:31,567
lie detector tests
from the state police.

1122
01:06:33,066 --> 01:06:35,033
People have gone
back and forth over the years

1123
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:37,000
about what a polygraph
actually means,

1124
01:06:37,066 --> 01:06:40,467
but one thing we do know,
though, is when somebody passes it

1125
01:06:40,567 --> 01:06:44,333
and it's just them, it gives you
a certain amount of legitimacy.

1126
01:06:45,433 --> 01:06:47,066
But when you have six
different people

1127
01:06:47,133 --> 01:06:48,734
taking a lie detector test

1128
01:06:49,734 --> 01:06:51,567
and they all tell the same story,

1129
01:06:51,667 --> 01:06:54,934
your chances that the story
they're telling is accurate

1130
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,000
is about, uh, a million to one.

1131
01:06:59,467 --> 01:07:02,233
Dr. James Harder,
he was saying

1132
01:07:02,233 --> 01:07:05,433
that the evidence to support
that this really happened

1133
01:07:05,433 --> 01:07:08,333
would've been sufficient
to convict a person

1134
01:07:08,333 --> 01:07:10,867
of murder in an American court of law.

1135
01:07:12,734 --> 01:07:14,731
On February 7th, 1976,

1136
01:07:15,967 --> 01:07:17,967
Travis and his brother Duane

1137
01:07:18,033 --> 01:07:20,533
take their own lie detector tests.

1138
01:07:21,433 --> 01:07:24,367
The results shocked everyone.

1139
01:07:29,266 --> 01:07:31,567
In February of 1976,

1140
01:07:31,667 --> 01:07:34,333
Travis Walton and his brother Duane

1141
01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:36,867
submit to polygraph examinations.

1142
01:07:39,133 --> 01:07:40,533
They both pass.

1143
01:07:42,367 --> 01:07:44,367
Landing further credibility

1144
01:07:44,433 --> 01:07:46,667
to Travis' UFO abduction claims.

1145
01:07:54,266 --> 01:07:56,266
For years after the incident,

1146
01:07:56,409 --> 01:07:58,266
Travis and his six crew members

1147
01:07:58,367 --> 01:08:00,867
never waver from their story.

1148
01:08:00,934 --> 01:08:04,166
Eventually, the tide
of public opinion

1149
01:08:04,233 --> 01:08:06,000
turns in their favor.

1150
01:08:08,266 --> 01:08:12,166
In 1975, when
the Walton case is big news,

1151
01:08:12,233 --> 01:08:16,033
the government's institutional
response to UFOs back then

1152
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:19,333
was, "It's probably not
a real thing, don't sweat it.

1153
01:08:19,333 --> 01:08:20,867
Go on about your lives."

1154
01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:24,166
Now the government
says a couple

1155
01:08:24,266 --> 01:08:25,834
of really profound things.

1156
01:08:26,409 --> 01:08:28,967
First of all, they have
confirmed that there are

1157
01:08:29,033 --> 01:08:32,266
many objects out there
and that they're real

1158
01:08:32,367 --> 01:08:34,767
and that they're unidentified.

1159
01:08:34,867 --> 01:08:36,967
And secondly, they said,
"We don't make them."

1160
01:08:38,266 --> 01:08:40,834
So, lots of people
believed in them before,

1161
01:08:40,834 --> 01:08:43,166
but now we have a more of a sense

1162
01:08:43,233 --> 01:08:45,867
they are real because our own
government is admitting it.

1163
01:08:47,767 --> 01:08:49,567
Oh, got it!

1164
01:08:56,409 --> 01:08:58,066
And the attitude
in the Southwestern state,

1165
01:08:58,133 --> 01:09:00,734
known for some
of the biggest UFO sightings

1166
01:09:00,734 --> 01:09:03,467
in the world has also changed.

1167
01:09:04,767 --> 01:09:09,667
I've known, uh,
Travis Walton for a long time.

1168
01:09:09,767 --> 01:09:12,967
After seeing UFOs
in New Mexico, Arizona

1169
01:09:13,033 --> 01:09:16,533
and California,
I said, "Well, there must be

1170
01:09:16,533 --> 01:09:18,867
something that,
uh... To what he said."

1171
01:09:20,233 --> 01:09:22,066
I do believe that there are UFOs.

1172
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:26,266
But you see things
cruising around up there

1173
01:09:26,409 --> 01:09:27,800
it's like,
"What the heck was that?

1174
01:09:27,867 --> 01:09:31,266
No, okay, is that a satellite?
No, it's moving a little bit too fast."

1175
01:09:31,367 --> 01:09:33,233
Do you believe
there's something out there?

1176
01:09:33,233 --> 01:09:34,367
I think so.

1177
01:09:37,867 --> 01:09:40,266
Our tales completely switched around

1178
01:09:40,333 --> 01:09:42,567
where four out of five
people do believe it now.

1179
01:09:42,667 --> 01:09:44,367
Before they didn't.

1180
01:09:44,433 --> 01:09:47,367
You know, it was
exactly the opposite.

1181
01:09:47,433 --> 01:09:51,767
I'm sorry that Allen
and Dwayne Smith aren't here,

1182
01:09:51,867 --> 01:09:55,767
because for years people
just thought we were nuts.

1183
01:09:56,409 --> 01:09:59,166
Now, you've got people
who do believe,

1184
01:09:59,233 --> 01:10:03,667
and Allen and Dwayne Smith
aren't here to, to see that.

1185
01:10:05,266 --> 01:10:07,367
The shift in public perception

1186
01:10:07,467 --> 01:10:09,367
began in 1978

1187
01:10:11,467 --> 01:10:13,734
when Travis Walton wrote

1188
01:10:13,734 --> 01:10:16,634
and published a book
about his ordeal.

1189
01:10:18,367 --> 01:10:21,367
The Walton Experience
is the first book written

1190
01:10:21,433 --> 01:10:23,266
by a UFO abductee,

1191
01:10:23,367 --> 01:10:25,834
and it's sort of withstood
the test of time.

1192
01:10:26,934 --> 01:10:28,467
My impression of first reading

1193
01:10:28,567 --> 01:10:31,467
Travis' book,
it was so well written

1194
01:10:31,533 --> 01:10:35,333
that he presents the arguments
before his case

1195
01:10:35,333 --> 01:10:37,266
and against his case

1196
01:10:37,367 --> 01:10:41,634
and takes each individual
criticism and debunks it one by one.

1197
01:10:43,467 --> 01:10:45,266
What it allowed readers to do

1198
01:10:45,333 --> 01:10:47,867
for the first time
is to get in his head.

1199
01:10:47,934 --> 01:10:52,066
This is an honest man,
who' trying to tell us

1200
01:10:52,133 --> 01:10:53,734
what really happened to him.

1201
01:10:56,567 --> 01:10:58,667
Travis' story catches the attention

1202
01:10:58,734 --> 01:11:00,367
of Hollywood

1203
01:11:00,467 --> 01:11:03,166
and on March 12th, 1993,

1204
01:11:03,233 --> 01:11:07,433
Paramount Pictures
releases Fire in the Sky.

1205
01:11:09,567 --> 01:11:12,433
A film based on his book.

1206
01:11:12,433 --> 01:11:14,767
Talking about
the Travis Walton abduction,

1207
01:11:14,867 --> 01:11:17,834
there was X-amount of people
that sort of watched it

1208
01:11:17,834 --> 01:11:20,266
when it happened real time
with news coverage,

1209
01:11:20,333 --> 01:11:22,867
there were a few more
that read the book,

1210
01:11:22,967 --> 01:11:26,000
but then there were a lot more
that watched the movie.

1211
01:11:27,066 --> 01:11:29,166
And the people
who watched the movie

1212
01:11:29,266 --> 01:11:31,166
had their minds open

1213
01:11:31,233 --> 01:11:34,233
to the possibility that
an abduction could happen

1214
01:11:34,233 --> 01:11:37,100
because the movie starts with
"based on a true story."

1215
01:11:39,967 --> 01:11:41,367
After the movie was made,

1216
01:11:41,467 --> 01:11:44,033
people became more
and more enlightened I guess.

1217
01:11:44,767 --> 01:11:46,367
More and more people believed.

1218
01:11:46,467 --> 01:11:49,233
And more people came up to me
and said that they supported us,

1219
01:11:49,233 --> 01:11:51,133
so... That was...
That was great.

1220
01:11:52,233 --> 01:11:53,834
The media forces Travis

1221
01:11:53,834 --> 01:11:56,409
into the spotlight
once more to share

1222
01:11:57,133 --> 01:12:00,567
the terrifying true story
behind the movie.

1223
01:12:01,467 --> 01:12:04,567
It was glowing,
disk-shaped object.

1224
01:12:04,667 --> 01:12:06,834
Uh, it's kinda, like,
shaped like two pie pans.

1225
01:12:06,834 --> 01:12:09,867
Placed lip to lip
with a dome on top

1226
01:12:09,934 --> 01:12:13,233
and it was glowing,
kind of a golden, uh, yellow color.

1227
01:12:15,667 --> 01:12:18,066
Like clockwork, Travis' credibility

1228
01:12:18,133 --> 01:12:19,367
comes under attack.

1229
01:12:20,867 --> 01:12:23,667
All the familiar
skeptics re-emerge,

1230
01:12:23,734 --> 01:12:25,634
including Philip Klass.

1231
01:12:26,667 --> 01:12:29,867
But this time,
Travis has the last word.

1232
01:12:32,367 --> 01:12:34,567
Are you saying,
Phillip, that all seven

1233
01:12:34,667 --> 01:12:36,133
of these people are lying?

1234
01:12:36,133 --> 01:12:38,834
I'm afraid we have
to say that on the basis

1235
01:12:38,834 --> 01:12:40,467
of physical evidence.

1236
01:12:40,567 --> 01:12:41,634
Meaning?

1237
01:12:41,667 --> 01:12:43,634
Physical evidence
that should've been there

1238
01:12:43,634 --> 01:12:44,767
but was not.

1239
01:12:44,767 --> 01:12:46,567
Why are you laughing, Travis?

1240
01:12:46,634 --> 01:12:49,066
Well, because this is typical
of the sort of reasoning pattern

1241
01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:51,767
this man uses in attacking
all UFO cases.

1242
01:12:51,867 --> 01:12:54,567
Uh, he's equating
the absence of evidence

1243
01:12:54,667 --> 01:12:56,100
to be the evidence of absence.

1244
01:12:58,066 --> 01:13:00,634
The film's release
is a moral victory

1245
01:13:00,634 --> 01:13:03,433
for Travis Walton
and his crewmates.

1246
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,233
Fire in the Sky.

1247
01:13:06,233 --> 01:13:09,033
It wasn't just a close
encounters of the third kind

1248
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:11,767
type of movie, this is
something based on real life.

1249
01:13:11,867 --> 01:13:14,533
This is what happened
to a man and six other

1250
01:13:14,533 --> 01:13:15,934
of his crewmembers.

1251
01:13:19,433 --> 01:13:22,133
We can't just easily
dismiss abduction cases

1252
01:13:22,133 --> 01:13:24,767
because look at all
the evidence in favor of this one.

1253
01:13:26,634 --> 01:13:29,266
In the aftermath
of Fire in the Sky,

1254
01:13:29,367 --> 01:13:32,066
a new generation
of UFO investigators

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01:13:32,133 --> 01:13:34,333
take up Travis' cause.

1256
01:13:34,333 --> 01:13:37,166
Can they find actual
physical evidence

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01:13:37,233 --> 01:13:39,367
to prove Travis' story

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01:13:39,433 --> 01:13:41,567
beyond any doubt?

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01:13:45,767 --> 01:13:47,266
In 2014,

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01:13:49,266 --> 01:13:50,667
UFO researcher

1261
01:13:50,767 --> 01:13:52,667
and documentarian, Ben Hansen,

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01:13:52,734 --> 01:13:54,333
meets Travis Walton

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01:13:54,333 --> 01:13:57,533
at the site of his UFO
abduction to examine

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01:13:57,533 --> 01:14:01,567
any remaining evidence
of Travis' alien encounter.

1265
01:14:02,867 --> 01:14:06,734
Years ago Travis, uh,
and I were filming, um,

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01:14:06,734 --> 01:14:10,767
kind of a survey before
we had a conference here.

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01:14:10,834 --> 01:14:13,166
So, right here
is where we determined

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01:14:14,386 --> 01:14:15,934
through the witnesses
and especially Travis' recollection

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01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,734
where this object
was hovering.

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01:14:18,734 --> 01:14:21,367
This is the first time
we're gonna open it up to the public.

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01:14:21,467 --> 01:14:23,166
We didn't want
the public coming in here,

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01:14:23,266 --> 01:14:27,367
knowing the location and start
taking stuff or planting things.

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01:14:27,467 --> 01:14:30,266
We wanted to know exactly
what kind of evidence,

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01:14:30,367 --> 01:14:31,567
if anything, was left over.

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01:14:32,834 --> 01:14:34,433
Ben and the research team

1276
01:14:34,433 --> 01:14:37,000
take a methodical approach
to the date collection.

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01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:43,834
We gritted this
whole area and we treated it

1278
01:14:44,386 --> 01:14:45,000
like a crime scene.

1279
01:14:46,233 --> 01:14:49,667
While we're going through
everything, the topsoil, uh,

1280
01:14:49,734 --> 01:14:52,266
we're looking at rocks
to see if they're magnetic,

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01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:54,867
we come across some
of these tree stumps.

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01:14:56,066 --> 01:14:58,967
Now these have broken off
shortly after the incident.

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01:14:59,033 --> 01:15:01,567
You can actually count
back the rings, of course,

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01:15:01,634 --> 01:15:04,066
and see this tree
would've been here 1975.

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01:15:05,133 --> 01:15:06,533
On closer inspection

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01:15:06,533 --> 01:15:09,934
of the tree rings,
Ben and Travis noticed

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,433
something very strange indeed.

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01:15:12,433 --> 01:15:14,386
If you think of a tree ring,

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01:15:14,767 --> 01:15:17,967
they're usually very equally sized,

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01:15:18,033 --> 01:15:20,567
uh, concentric circles.

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01:15:21,133 --> 01:15:22,867
Okay, on all sides.

1292
01:15:25,066 --> 01:15:28,367
But these trees
had something unique.

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01:15:28,433 --> 01:15:31,467
The rings on the side
facing the clearing

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01:15:32,166 --> 01:15:33,767
was spaced out further.

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01:15:37,567 --> 01:15:39,667
Meaning there was a greater
volume of growth

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01:15:39,767 --> 01:15:42,367
on that side
of the tree alone.

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01:15:42,467 --> 01:15:44,386
And we started noticing
this as we're going around

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01:15:44,634 --> 01:15:47,867
in a circle and came across
the discovery

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01:15:47,967 --> 01:15:50,033
that they all seemed to be pointing

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01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:52,066
in a direction towards the center.

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01:15:52,133 --> 01:15:54,834
The epicenter where
the craft was hovering.

1302
01:16:01,433 --> 01:16:03,867
Could radiation from the UFO,

1303
01:16:03,934 --> 01:16:07,133
as evidenced by the Geiger
counter readings at the site

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01:16:07,133 --> 01:16:11,834
in 1975, have caused
these trees to mutate?

1305
01:16:13,033 --> 01:16:14,386
I started researching a bit

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01:16:15,533 --> 01:16:16,834
and I found a couple of studies

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01:16:16,834 --> 01:16:18,467
that happened after Chernobyl.

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01:16:27,567 --> 01:16:30,467
The studies found
that these trees grow

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01:16:30,533 --> 01:16:33,233
exponentially greater
than any other time period.

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01:16:34,767 --> 01:16:36,166
So is that what happened here?

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01:16:39,166 --> 01:16:41,667
At an independent lab in Ohio,

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01:16:41,734 --> 01:16:44,386
the soil samples taken from
the site are tested against

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01:16:44,734 --> 01:16:46,467
to control group.

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01:16:46,533 --> 01:16:49,934
The findings blow everyone away.

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01:16:52,233 --> 01:16:55,533
There was a higher
concentration of iron

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01:16:55,533 --> 01:17:00,233
and other ferrous materials
as compared to the controlled

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01:17:00,233 --> 01:17:02,467
samples which were
much further away.

1318
01:17:02,567 --> 01:17:03,834
Now what does that mean?

1319
01:17:03,834 --> 01:17:07,934
Other, uh, notable UFO cases
have indicated sometimes

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01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,000
a trace evidence
of ferrous materials

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01:17:12,066 --> 01:17:14,386
as if something, um, creating
a large magnetic field

1322
01:17:16,634 --> 01:17:19,967
was pulling these particles up
from the lower layers.

1323
01:17:24,066 --> 01:17:26,233
Based on these findings,

1324
01:17:26,233 --> 01:17:29,567
Ben Hansen and many other
open-minded researchers

1325
01:17:29,634 --> 01:17:31,767
draw the same conclusion.

1326
01:17:34,033 --> 01:17:36,533
The Travis Walton abduction case

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01:17:36,533 --> 01:17:39,634
offers perhaps
the best evidence to date

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01:17:39,634 --> 01:17:43,066
of alien visitation to planet Earth.

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01:17:45,033 --> 01:17:48,467
I can say that I fully
believe what he experienced

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01:17:48,567 --> 01:17:51,734
is how he and the crew experiences

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01:17:51,734 --> 01:17:53,066
very strange event.

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01:17:55,266 --> 01:17:57,433
But as Walton's
story continues to be

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01:17:57,433 --> 01:18:01,066
more accepted as truth,
frightening questions remain.

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01:18:03,166 --> 01:18:07,467
Who are these alien creatures
and what do they want?

1335
01:18:18,567 --> 01:18:21,533
Travis Walton makes one final trip

1336
01:18:21,533 --> 01:18:25,433
from his home in Snowflake
to the site of his alien abduction.

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01:18:27,066 --> 01:18:30,867
It's, It's just, um, kind of
a PTSD kind of a thing.

1338
01:18:32,467 --> 01:18:35,333
I still feel apprehension.

1339
01:18:38,467 --> 01:18:39,418
We're getting close.

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01:18:42,767 --> 01:18:46,233
For Travis, this is
still an emotional journey.

1341
01:19:02,567 --> 01:19:04,266
This was really a turning point

1342
01:19:04,367 --> 01:19:05,867
in my life what happened here.

1343
01:19:07,433 --> 01:19:09,418
It's amazing to think
how much time has gone by.

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01:19:11,266 --> 01:19:13,367
Little did I know, uh,

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01:19:14,533 --> 01:19:16,467
my life would
never be the same.

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01:19:17,867 --> 01:19:19,934
Four decades later,

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,000
Travis reflects
on what it all means.

1348
01:19:23,066 --> 01:19:26,467
Well, I had a choice
after this incident happened.

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01:19:26,567 --> 01:19:29,333
Could I just shut up about
it and hope people

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01:19:29,333 --> 01:19:31,567
will forget about it
and it'll go away

1351
01:19:31,634 --> 01:19:34,166
or get out there
and defend myself

1352
01:19:34,266 --> 01:19:36,634
and, uh,
set the record straight?

1353
01:19:41,834 --> 01:19:45,266
Aliens exist, we're not alone
in the universe.

1354
01:19:46,467 --> 01:19:51,066
I think people need to realize
that there is a reality here.

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01:19:52,934 --> 01:19:55,000
And no one knows
this better

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01:19:55,066 --> 01:19:59,100
than the six men who
witnessed Travis' alien encounter.

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01:20:00,266 --> 01:20:04,967
Every one of those
crewmen has stood by the story

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01:20:05,033 --> 01:20:07,667
of that happened
throughout their lives

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01:20:09,418 --> 01:20:10,934
and some of them are
no longer with us.

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01:20:12,166 --> 01:20:14,467
They've had the courage
to stand up

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01:20:14,533 --> 01:20:17,133
to the naysayers and they
endured that

1362
01:20:17,133 --> 01:20:19,967
from the beginning, even...
Even before I was returned.

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01:20:22,066 --> 01:20:24,767
I lived it and it's
still hard to believe.

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01:20:24,834 --> 01:20:27,433
Man, I've been called
a liar so many times.

1365
01:20:29,767 --> 01:20:32,266
I'm just used to it, I guess.
It doesn't really bother me.

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01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:34,367
If you believe it, you believe it.
You don't, you don't.

1367
01:20:35,667 --> 01:20:38,767
It's always
gonna be there, you know.

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01:20:38,867 --> 01:20:39,418
And sometime
if bothers me a lot,

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01:20:39,418 --> 01:20:41,266
And sometime
if bothers me a lot,

1370
01:20:41,333 --> 01:20:43,934
you know, but it did happen
and why did it happen?

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01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,333
Why was it us?

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01:20:46,567 --> 01:20:49,266
Everybody was affected
differently, you know.

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01:20:49,333 --> 01:20:53,066
Greatly affected my life,
but it's all for the better I think.

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01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:54,433
For the better.

1375
01:20:57,467 --> 01:20:58,567
It was real.

1376
01:21:00,066 --> 01:21:01,734
It was real that day.

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01:21:04,967 --> 01:21:07,266
What I would say to skeptics is

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01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:09,418
walk a mile in my shoes.

1379
01:21:10,166 --> 01:21:12,000
They need to do more research,

1380
01:21:12,066 --> 01:21:13,967
they need to be more
open minded.

1381
01:21:14,634 --> 01:21:17,066
Oh, got it!

1382
01:21:17,133 --> 01:21:19,634
Woo-hoo!

1383
01:21:19,634 --> 01:21:22,767
Now, recent
government disclosures

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01:21:22,867 --> 01:21:25,266
lend further credence
to the experiences

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01:21:25,333 --> 01:21:27,967
of Travis and his
fellow crewmembers.

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01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,767
The last three years, basically,

1387
01:21:31,834 --> 01:21:35,367
we have seen story after story
that establishes,

1388
01:21:35,433 --> 01:21:38,967
uh, that UFOs are more real
than anybody's ever believed.

1389
01:21:40,467 --> 01:21:43,266
Perhaps the most
important modern-day

1390
01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:46,000
revelation from our
government is an official

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01:21:46,066 --> 01:21:48,266
acknowledgement that
the phenomenon is real.

1392
01:21:48,967 --> 01:21:50,533
Something is going on.

1393
01:21:52,233 --> 01:21:55,467
We definitely cannot
rule out extraterrestrial.

1394
01:21:55,533 --> 01:21:59,467
If the world had felt
the same back in 1975,

1395
01:21:59,567 --> 01:22:01,367
I don't think that
the case would've received

1396
01:22:01,433 --> 01:22:04,066
so much negative
criticism and ridicule.

1397
01:22:05,634 --> 01:22:07,567
I think that the reason

1398
01:22:09,418 --> 01:22:11,367
the Pentagon disclosures
film and statements

1399
01:22:11,467 --> 01:22:14,133
that they have evidence,
it's basically they're saying,

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01:22:14,133 --> 01:22:17,233
"It's a matter of fact." It's very..

1401
01:22:17,233 --> 01:22:18,667
It's very good progress.

1402
01:22:18,734 --> 01:22:21,367
So it's a relief
that they're going to come

1403
01:22:21,467 --> 01:22:23,767
so far as to say,
"Yes, there's something here

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01:22:23,867 --> 01:22:25,567
and we don't know what it is."

1405
01:22:27,033 --> 01:22:29,367
I think that one of the things
you're going to see

1406
01:22:29,467 --> 01:22:31,767
happening in the next
few years are we're gonna have

1407
01:22:31,834 --> 01:22:34,567
congressional hearings
on this very topic

1408
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:37,367
and I would submit
to the senators

1409
01:22:37,433 --> 01:22:38,867
and the congress people

1410
01:22:39,418 --> 01:22:41,467
who are thinking of putting
those hearings together

1411
01:22:41,567 --> 01:22:44,133
that they might want to consider
calling up Travis Walton

1412
01:22:44,133 --> 01:22:46,834
and bringing him up
to Washington and asking him

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01:22:46,834 --> 01:22:49,767
to tell his story directly.
I think they'd like to hear it.

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01:22:54,767 --> 01:22:59,066
This is the place where my life
was changed forever.

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01:22:59,133 --> 01:23:02,166
Eventually I'm hoping
something good will come of it.

1416
01:23:03,567 --> 01:23:05,166
At the minimum,

1417
01:23:05,266 --> 01:23:09,418
uh, make humans realize
that we're not so special,

1418
01:23:09,967 --> 01:23:12,767
uh, that, uh, the world there is.

1419
01:23:15,834 --> 01:23:18,967
The fact that these aliens
exist after all this time

1420
01:23:19,033 --> 01:23:22,467
with vastly superior technology

1421
01:23:23,066 --> 01:23:25,467
has to mean that they, uh,

1422
01:23:25,567 --> 01:23:29,100
ceased to be war like
in attacking each other.

1423
01:23:29,166 --> 01:23:32,033
So it's, uh, sort of
a message to humanity

1424
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:35,266
to figure out to be a whole
lot less savage

1425
01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:38,867
and a whole lot smarter
about where we're going with all this.