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How can we imagine
the filming crew isn't here?

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I will start the conversation, of course.

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Kang, I see that your toes are yellow.

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That's right.

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Because I soaked them in sulfur.

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The kind used to treat athlete's foot.

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It's all because of you.

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All because of your play,
The Monk From Tang Dynasty.

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I had to walk barefoot every day.

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I walked until my feet became blistered.

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The sulfur stops my feet from rotting.

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They used to apply makeup on my feet

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to make it look like I've
trudged through hard terrain.

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Now it's not necessary anymore.

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It's still necessary.

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Aren't they rotten enough?

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Let me see your soles.

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Are they itchy?

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Of course, and there are blisters as well.

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Even on the sides?

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Those are blisters from
rubbing against my shoes.

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As I was sitting here earlier,
before you joined me...

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I felt like I wanted to have
a conversation with you.

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I felt a little...

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You probably don't
know what I'm thinking of.

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I think I do.

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You mentioned earlier that you wanted to...

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talk about your last wishes.

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Recently, I've been
getting this strong feeling

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that I may be dying soon.

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It took me a while...

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to calm myself down.

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It's as if...

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I'm getting myself ready.

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Perhaps it's because of the book.

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I began to write down my thoughts.

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I thought of my grandpa this morning
as I swept the floor.

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When my grandpa was
suffering from dementia.

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It wasn't what he had forgotten
that impacted me the most.

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It wasn't that he had forgotten who I was

41
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or the many strange things he did

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like mixing salt into the rice jar

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or pouring coffee powder into the salt,
making everyone mad.

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One time he passed motion on the floor.

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My grandma and I had to clean up the mess.

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And then he disappeared.
It was none of those things.

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The thing that impacted
me the most was when he...

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When he swept the floor.

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He would sweep the road
when he got up in the morning.

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Outside our old flat...

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The corridor?

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Not the corridor.
From our door to that brick wall,

53
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remember?

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The one in the ending
frame of Walking on Water.

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He swept all the way there.

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I have the habit of sweeping the floor too.

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So I suddenly recalled his image.

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He did this every day.

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We felt safer when he
went sweeping the road

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because he'd always come back.

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He never swept the inside of our flat.

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I don't recall ever
seeing him sweep inside.

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It was probably my
grandma who did it inside.

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That's what he did during
his last days, just sweeping.

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I have the habit of sweeping
the floor every morning

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no matter how clean the floor is.

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I've always wondered
what this action meant to me.

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It's like sweeping up the dust.

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I don't like visiting the home of someone
who doesn't sweep.

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Our world is always dirty, so
we have to sweep constantly.

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Now we're doing the play,
The Monk From Tang Dynasty.

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We have been making
films together for so long

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and we have filmed all kinds of subjects.

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Masturbation... homosexuals...

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You hiding under a bed
while a couple made love...

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and even the porn film industry.

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When we came to the
subject of Xuanzang, I felt...

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and especially because it is with you...

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Xuanzang is a...

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I think when you're close to death...

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I don't know what's happening to me.

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I want to sort out this feeling...

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I'm sorry, it feels like I'm
acting in front of the camera.

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I've become used to facing the camera now.

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I didn't use to.

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I'm glad because...

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It's like a training for me...

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I often pointed the camera at you
but I didn't like facing it myself.

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But now I'm used to it.

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I've been thinking a lot.

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Recently, I've had this strong feeling...

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Before we made Stray
Dogs, I fell seriously ill.

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I felt better when we began filming.

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Perhaps because I was
so concentrated on working.

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But I still suffered frequent backaches.

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Pengfei often helped to massage my back.

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By the time we began
editing, I felt like I was dying.

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I had been taking
blood pressure medication for half a year

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and there have been serious side effects.

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I felt like I would stop
breathing or pass out anytime.

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Then I went to see a Chinese
physician and got better.

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So I stopped taking the western medicine.

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Later, when we found
this house, I told you that

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I would die happy if I could
live here for just one day.

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I don't know. All my life...

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I never felt like I needed to own a house.

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I have always rented.

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It's ironic.

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I often tell people that I don't
feel a sense of belonging.

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But I've always had you by my side.

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It's been more than
twenty years, since 1991.

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And we will continue to live together.

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We bought this land
and this house together.

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As we were fixing up the house,
I began to feel unwell again.

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That's why I was so
anxious to buy this house

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and have it fixed up as soon as possible.

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I felt that I may not live
long enough to see it.

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The first night after we moved in,
I couldn't sleep at all.

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Partly because of the
unfamiliar environment.

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But also because I felt
this is my house, my home now.

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I didn't feel like going anywhere else.

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I began to turn down invitations
that required me to travel far.

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It's interesting.

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It's as if I have found something special.

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A wonderful gift from heaven

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near the end of my life,

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this beautiful valley that
I can look at every day.

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Something to savor and enjoy every day.

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I feel that it is a sense of belonging.

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And... you haven't said anything yet.

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But let me continue...

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Recently, I began to feel

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while we were working on
The Monk From Tang Dynasty

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that my body can't seem to take it.

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It isn't fatigue, but I'm not
sure what the problem is.

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I often feel out of breath.

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My head and my scalp would feel numb

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just like the way I
felt when I first got ill.

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I began to wonder if I
would, all of a sudden

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lose my mental functions
and become demented

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or even pass away suddenly.

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I felt that it could come any time.

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We've lost many people recently

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like Li Lung-yu and Wang Jingwen

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and my friend in Singapore...

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and also Ya Jun.

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Life could end suddenly like that

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without any warning.

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But I feel that I can sense it coming.

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I believe when I leave one day

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I will know exactly when,
like those Buddhist monks.

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But I wish it wouldn't be so soon

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so that I can enjoy
this life a little longer.

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A life where I'm not doing anything.

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So today...

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as I was sitting here on my own

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waiting for them to prepare the camera

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I was wondering what our
conversation would be about.

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I haven't given much thought to it

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except that it would be a conversation.

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I felt like I wanted to tell you something.

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That I may leave at any moment.

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So...

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If I were to fall ill suddenly,

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I may not be able to tell you this anymore.

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We have been with each other
for more than twenty years.

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We've faced so much... how should I put it?

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It hasn't exactly been tumultuous.

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The worst we've faced have
turned out to be insignificant.

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We have survived them all.

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But I do have many wonderful memories.

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Somehow they're all related to death.

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Like when my grandma
passed away, we were at...

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We'd just gotten off a
plane in Los Angeles.

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We were there for a film festival.

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Was it a festival?
There were Taiwanese students helping out.

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I think so. Probably UCLA students.

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Yes, it was their film festival.

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Do you remember which film we showed?

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Was it Vive L'Amour or The River?

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Anyway, we got a call as soon as we landed

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and I left immediately, leaving you in L.A.

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That night, I received news of her death.

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She was my closest kin,
other than my grandfather.

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We had to bury her within two or three days

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because of the humidity in the tropics.

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So I left the very next morning.

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That night, I told you
that I've always had you by my side.

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You gave me a shoulder to cry on.

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And when my father passed away...

191
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That was actually earlier. Wasn't it?

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He left in 1992?

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Yes, he left earlier.

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It was during Rebels of the Neon God.

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You were at my place that day.

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My sisters were there too.
We lived in Jingmei then.

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You were there to comfort me

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through times like these.

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And then there was Miao Tien.

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I remember it clearly.

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We were at the hotel in Berlin.

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We already knew that
we'll be getting an award.

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But we didn't know which one.

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That morning, I felt very
sad for some reason.

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I woke up at six in the
morning in the hotel room.

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Then I went to Shiang-chyi's room.

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She was in the room across from me.

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She let me in and we laid down together.

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I asked her to keep me company
because I was feeling sad.

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Later, at around seven o'clock.

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Lu Yi-ching came over
and told us that Miao Tien has left us.

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Then I went to look for you.

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I remember my first words were.

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I don't want you to leave before I do.

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I won't be able to take it.

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Does this conversation
have to be this miserable?

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I just feel like expressing
my gratitude towards you.

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For being by my side all this time.

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I also remember...

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and you can tell it yourself
later or even scold me.

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I remember that we
actually quarreled a lot.

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The worst time was when
our company fell victim

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to a fraud scheme and lost our money.

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We had just finished
Goodbye Dragon Inn and The Missing.

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You haven't made Help Me Eros, right?

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We were doing publicity
and preparing for The Wayward Cloud.

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Before we started filming,
our grant money got swindled away.

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It was a inside job.

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He was someone I trusted the most.

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I handed him the company
bank account and company seal.

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We expected him to take care of our money.

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But he betrayed us.

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It was a huge blow to
me. I lost faith in people.

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I trusted him too much.

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And then I remember
you called me one night.

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Did I call you? Or did you call me?

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You were at home and I was at the office.

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You told me that you didn't
want to be with me anymore.

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We lost everything, including
your mom's apartment

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which we had mortgaged for the company.

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That man studied economics,
so he's really shrewd.

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I was really sad at that time.

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You told me that you had nothing left.

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When I heard that, I yelled over the phone.

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I said that we are not left with nothing.

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We have made many great films together.

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You remember that?

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Luckily you didn't leave me,
and we carried on together.

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So sometimes when I give a speech.

250
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I encounter people who don't understand
how we work together.

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They only see us in that moment.

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They know that we have a new film

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in theatres and has won some awards.

254
00:22:05,791 --> 00:22:07,707
Many of them are curious,

255
00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:16,041
but nobody really understands us.

256
00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:18,916
Of course we have a group of supporters.

257
00:22:22,082 --> 00:22:23,433
But everyone must be wondering...

258
00:22:23,457 --> 00:22:28,392
why a director and
actor who are not popular

259
00:22:28,416 --> 00:22:32,808
would continue making this films
that are hard to understand.

260
00:22:32,832 --> 00:22:35,725
I often reply by saying that

261
00:22:35,749 --> 00:22:40,832
in spite of all this, I
still feel very fortunate.

262
00:22:42,749 --> 00:22:45,291
And it's all because I am with you.

263
00:22:46,874 --> 00:22:52,124
My deepest impression
was when we were editing The Missing.

264
00:22:53,082 --> 00:22:54,832
We were on the motorcycle together.

265
00:22:58,791 --> 00:23:03,916
I was taking you home from the film lab.

266
00:23:05,874 --> 00:23:09,624
We came to the Fu He Bridge
and saw a police checkpoint.

267
00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:16,624
I switched places with you
because I had no license.

268
00:23:19,541 --> 00:23:23,142
As we were passing the police

269
00:23:23,166 --> 00:23:26,624
I felt the summer breeze
as we crossed the bridge.

270
00:23:28,499 --> 00:23:32,267
The police didn't stop.

271
00:23:32,291 --> 00:23:34,767
I told you then that I felt very fortunate.

272
00:23:34,791 --> 00:23:37,308
It was a very strong feeling of bliss.

273
00:23:37,332 --> 00:23:40,433
Because we were making
films together again.

274
00:23:40,457 --> 00:23:43,374
And we have been
working together for so long.

275
00:23:44,207 --> 00:23:46,041
I had moved to Yong He at that time too.

276
00:23:47,041 --> 00:23:52,433
I told other people
that my life was blissful.

277
00:23:52,457 --> 00:23:54,725
I don't know if they really
understood what I meant.

278
00:23:54,749 --> 00:24:00,791
Another time I felt that
way was in Portugal.

279
00:24:01,457 --> 00:24:04,957
A small film festival by the beach.

280
00:24:05,916 --> 00:24:07,642
Portugal?

281
00:24:07,666 --> 00:24:10,100
A short film festival.

282
00:24:10,124 --> 00:24:11,582
We stayed at the...

283
00:24:12,082 --> 00:24:16,291
Tony Rayns was the juror that year.

284
00:24:16,957 --> 00:24:22,142
We stayed at an inn
on a hill with a bridge.

285
00:24:22,166 --> 00:24:24,666
A coastal bridge.

286
00:24:25,582 --> 00:24:27,975
It was evening time
and we had a film screening at night.

287
00:24:27,999 --> 00:24:29,624
We walked down the bridge to the beach.

288
00:24:32,374 --> 00:24:35,267
I still remember the image in my mind.

289
00:24:35,291 --> 00:24:37,166
That golden sunset.

290
00:24:37,874 --> 00:24:45,874
There were fishes jumping
about under the bridge.

291
00:24:46,499 --> 00:24:48,957
We were very happy and kept taking photos.

292
00:24:49,541 --> 00:24:51,392
I said that I felt very blissful.

293
00:24:51,416 --> 00:24:54,291
That same feeling came back again.

294
00:24:55,541 --> 00:24:57,041
What I'm trying to say is.

295
00:24:57,791 --> 00:25:00,666
In the worst of times and the best

296
00:25:01,874 --> 00:25:03,267
we have been together.

297
00:25:03,291 --> 00:25:06,582
Our relationship is hard
to understand or define.

298
00:25:07,207 --> 00:25:10,517
All the rumors and gossip out there

299
00:25:10,541 --> 00:25:13,100
don't really seem to affect us.

300
00:25:13,124 --> 00:25:17,600
I think we have been
blessed with a wonderful gift.

301
00:25:17,624 --> 00:25:19,791
These wonderful years we've had.

302
00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:29,582
What I want to say is simple.

303
00:25:31,124 --> 00:25:34,374
I just wanted to take the opportunity,

304
00:25:35,124 --> 00:25:37,916
because Stray Dogs is
going to the art museum,

305
00:25:38,541 --> 00:25:42,207
to have a conversation with you

306
00:25:45,124 --> 00:25:46,725
and have it shown at the art museum.

307
00:25:46,749 --> 00:25:48,975
Of course, this is not our
first foray into the art museum.

308
00:25:48,999 --> 00:25:52,916
We made Face at the Louvre Museum.

309
00:25:54,249 --> 00:25:57,249
Sometimes I can't understand...

310
00:25:58,499 --> 00:26:06,499
what is it that brought us together.

311
00:26:06,999 --> 00:26:09,916
After I met you...

312
00:26:11,082 --> 00:26:13,916
and even now, I often wonder

313
00:26:14,916 --> 00:26:18,683
what if we had never met?

314
00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:22,433
Whether it is my cinema or your life.

315
00:26:22,457 --> 00:26:23,874
How different would they be?

316
00:26:25,499 --> 00:26:27,058
We seldom talk like this.

317
00:26:27,082 --> 00:26:31,082
Most days we say very little to each other.

318
00:26:32,749 --> 00:26:34,624
Even now, I feel like
I'm talking to myself.

319
00:26:40,249 --> 00:26:42,707
Unless we were arguing.

320
00:26:44,999 --> 00:26:48,308
But even then, you'd only
shout a few angry words.

321
00:26:48,332 --> 00:26:49,541
That's the way we are.

322
00:26:50,999 --> 00:26:54,017
So I'm curious to know.

323
00:26:54,041 --> 00:27:00,183
What would you say to me today,
given this opportunity.

324
00:27:00,207 --> 00:27:03,249
For me, it's simple.
I just want to thank you.

325
00:27:08,624 --> 00:27:10,541
I think you have changed my life.

326
00:27:12,082 --> 00:27:13,957
Aren't we supposed to
talk about Stray Dogs?

327
00:27:14,332 --> 00:27:16,017
What about Stray Dogs?

328
00:27:16,041 --> 00:27:17,225
No, we're not talking about Stray Dogs.

329
00:27:17,249 --> 00:27:19,517
Let's not talk about the film.

330
00:27:19,541 --> 00:27:23,291
Talk about us, anything you want.

331
00:27:24,707 --> 00:27:27,457
I could say more if there
were less people around.

332
00:27:30,041 --> 00:27:32,350
We have so much between us

333
00:27:32,374 --> 00:27:36,100
that I can't even begin to
talk about in this lifetime.

334
00:27:36,124 --> 00:27:38,374
My personal life, your personal life.

335
00:27:40,916 --> 00:27:43,666
I don't know how far we
can take this, we'll see.

336
00:27:47,249 --> 00:27:50,624
Sometimes I feel like
asking you if you hate me.

337
00:27:51,707 --> 00:27:54,457
Of course not, why would I?

338
00:27:55,916 --> 00:28:03,916
I am a person with little desires.

339
00:28:04,166 --> 00:28:07,207
In terms of my career...

340
00:28:07,999 --> 00:28:11,725
I have never promoted myself

341
00:28:11,749 --> 00:28:17,767
or recommended myself for any movie roles.

342
00:28:17,791 --> 00:28:20,683
I am not a competitive person.

343
00:28:20,707 --> 00:28:24,041
I lead a carefree life, so

344
00:28:25,249 --> 00:28:28,767
with you, I suppose I'm
the only person in the world

345
00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:32,416
who can put up with your temper.

346
00:28:35,666 --> 00:28:39,600
That's right, which is why I'm miserable.

347
00:28:39,624 --> 00:28:45,850
I believe I am a highly adaptive creature.

348
00:28:45,874 --> 00:28:48,707
Do you know why...

349
00:28:50,082 --> 00:28:52,392
Is it me who puts up with
you or the other way around?

350
00:28:52,416 --> 00:28:54,541
Of course it's me who puts up with you.

351
00:28:56,082 --> 00:28:57,791
I do too!

352
00:29:00,207 --> 00:29:03,058
So why do you think
we can stand each other?

353
00:29:03,082 --> 00:29:04,100
How do you put up with me?

354
00:29:04,124 --> 00:29:05,707
Because...

355
00:29:07,707 --> 00:29:11,082
Your temper poses no threat to me.

356
00:29:11,832 --> 00:29:14,600
It gives me stress, but not a threat.

357
00:29:14,624 --> 00:29:17,308
What do you mean? It sounds horrible.

358
00:29:17,332 --> 00:29:21,332
It's stressful because you
want to control this and that.

359
00:29:22,041 --> 00:29:23,975
Everyone has a bit of
a control freak in them.

360
00:29:23,999 --> 00:29:27,183
My mom is naggy enough already

361
00:29:27,207 --> 00:29:30,558
and you are like a second
mom who nags at me all day.

362
00:29:30,582 --> 00:29:32,725
But at least I'm not possessive, am I?

363
00:29:32,749 --> 00:29:34,725
No, not really.

364
00:29:34,749 --> 00:29:35,933
That's right, I'm not.

365
00:29:35,957 --> 00:29:38,725
I'd much rather you go
work with someone else.

366
00:29:38,749 --> 00:29:42,291
I don't know why, but
you're like a child to me.

367
00:29:43,957 --> 00:29:44,768
Can I smoke?

368
00:29:44,792 --> 00:29:46,142
Sure, go ahead.

369
00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:47,933
You are more like my child

370
00:29:47,957 --> 00:29:49,082
which is why...

371
00:29:55,082 --> 00:30:02,017
I am always looking out for you.

372
00:30:02,041 --> 00:30:03,249
For example...

373
00:30:04,082 --> 00:30:08,916
I will always think of ways
to make your situation better.

374
00:30:09,791 --> 00:30:12,100
Let's say you want to
work with someone else.

375
00:30:12,124 --> 00:30:16,999
I will first think about
your working relationship.

376
00:30:18,166 --> 00:30:21,517
I'm not worried that it would change you.

377
00:30:21,541 --> 00:30:24,225
I'm always thinking in that direction.

378
00:30:24,249 --> 00:30:28,517
But I have no say when
someone else is directing.

379
00:30:28,541 --> 00:30:30,642
So I can only nag at you.

380
00:30:30,666 --> 00:30:32,892
Making sure that you
take note of this and that.

381
00:30:32,916 --> 00:30:36,624
I won't try and interfere with
how someone else directs.

382
00:30:41,332 --> 00:30:44,392
I would like to push
you to work with others.

383
00:30:44,416 --> 00:30:48,600
Mainly because I hope
you can earn more money.

384
00:30:48,624 --> 00:30:50,850
Maybe you'll be happier that way.

385
00:30:50,874 --> 00:30:55,683
Because you won't earn a lot with me.

386
00:30:55,707 --> 00:30:58,166
I'm not doing it for the money.

387
00:30:58,916 --> 00:31:02,249
I just want to see more
of the outside world.

388
00:31:02,832 --> 00:31:07,541
Because in Tsai Ming-Liang's world,
I'm like the ruins.

389
00:31:09,124 --> 00:31:10,808
An insignificant character.

390
00:31:10,832 --> 00:31:12,933
Did the ruins turn into a luxury mansion?

391
00:31:12,957 --> 00:31:14,433
It never did.

392
00:31:14,457 --> 00:31:19,892
I've never driven a Ferrari
or led the life of a rich man.

393
00:31:19,916 --> 00:31:25,124
So I want to go out
and see what possibilities there are.

394
00:31:26,082 --> 00:31:28,058
But you did go out.

395
00:31:28,082 --> 00:31:29,832
For example, you went deep sea fishing.

396
00:31:33,082 --> 00:31:35,017
You are like my child.

397
00:31:35,041 --> 00:31:38,416
Whatever you do,
I always think about your safety first.

398
00:31:38,957 --> 00:31:40,249
Always safety first.

399
00:31:40,832 --> 00:31:43,916
I get worried when you go to the beach.

400
00:31:44,707 --> 00:31:46,791
I was always feeling
anxious during that time.

401
00:31:47,457 --> 00:31:50,142
I also worry about you
mixing with bad company.

402
00:31:50,166 --> 00:31:52,457
It really shouldn't be my concern.

403
00:31:53,332 --> 00:31:56,058
But you know I will be worried.

404
00:31:56,082 --> 00:31:59,475
I'll worry when you are still
at the beach late at night.

405
00:31:59,499 --> 00:32:05,374
I worry that you'll go
scuba-diving in illegal waters.

406
00:32:06,082 --> 00:32:10,100
I worry about these
and other horrible things.

407
00:32:10,124 --> 00:32:14,600
Like when there's a typhoon,
I repeatedly told you not to go

408
00:32:14,624 --> 00:32:17,499
but you went anyway.

409
00:32:21,791 --> 00:32:26,058
Sometimes I wonder if I am abnormal.

410
00:32:26,082 --> 00:32:28,933
No, that's perfectly normal.

411
00:32:28,957 --> 00:32:36,957
It's me... who wants to go
and experience the danger.

412
00:32:37,166 --> 00:32:45,166
To do more outdoor
activities, which I enjoy.

413
00:32:45,374 --> 00:32:47,850
So I let you be. I will only nag at you

414
00:32:47,874 --> 00:32:50,874
I also keep some weird creatures.

415
00:32:54,124 --> 00:32:55,707
Don't you ever hate me?

416
00:32:56,541 --> 00:32:58,207
No.

417
00:32:58,707 --> 00:33:00,166
Why should I hate you?

418
00:33:01,166 --> 00:33:04,166
I told you I have little desires.

419
00:33:04,999 --> 00:33:08,249
Don't you feel that I
have intruded into your life

420
00:33:11,041 --> 00:33:12,874
and turned it into a
different kind of life?

421
00:33:13,832 --> 00:33:16,541
Tell me honestly. Do you know what I mean?

422
00:33:17,124 --> 00:33:19,624
Making my films and...

423
00:33:22,124 --> 00:33:24,350
Actually we are both quite thrifty.

424
00:33:24,374 --> 00:33:25,999
You are thriftier than me.

425
00:33:28,582 --> 00:33:30,308
We don't go out to play.

426
00:33:30,332 --> 00:33:32,350
We don't enjoy playing much.

427
00:33:32,374 --> 00:33:36,291
We don't enjoy socializing or taking risks.

428
00:33:37,041 --> 00:33:40,957
We lead an ordinary

429
00:33:42,999 --> 00:33:45,225
almost bland life.

430
00:33:45,249 --> 00:33:46,850
I don't know. I feel that way.

431
00:33:46,874 --> 00:33:48,624
A bland life?

432
00:33:49,457 --> 00:33:51,791
What about the things you do in secret?

433
00:33:53,082 --> 00:33:55,683
I know about them but I can't tell.

434
00:33:55,707 --> 00:33:57,332
You can tell if you want.

435
00:33:58,207 --> 00:34:00,517
Of course I have my pleasures.

436
00:34:00,541 --> 00:34:04,100
There are times when I
need to release myself.

437
00:34:04,124 --> 00:34:06,142
We all do.

438
00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:07,291
We're all human.

439
00:34:09,207 --> 00:34:13,392
But it's hard for us...

440
00:34:13,416 --> 00:34:17,291
to enjoy those places...

441
00:34:18,541 --> 00:34:20,707
I don't enjoy those places actually.

442
00:34:31,332 --> 00:34:32,874
Did you ever worry about me?

443
00:34:34,291 --> 00:34:35,582
Worry?

444
00:34:59,041 --> 00:35:01,166
You mentioned earlier...

445
00:35:04,791 --> 00:35:06,249
that you put up with me.

446
00:35:09,666 --> 00:35:12,999
What else about me do you put up with?

447
00:35:15,832 --> 00:35:20,666
It's really not that bad.
You just like to make comments.

448
00:35:21,707 --> 00:35:24,499
You have a bad temper.

449
00:35:28,582 --> 00:35:30,725
It's hard for anyone to tell you anything.

450
00:35:30,749 --> 00:35:33,100
You have strong opinions on things.

451
00:35:33,124 --> 00:35:34,791
Everyone else is always wrong.

452
00:35:36,291 --> 00:35:39,350
People don't like to talk to you much.

453
00:35:39,374 --> 00:35:40,268
That's true.

454
00:35:40,292 --> 00:35:44,183
Many people will
communicate to you through me.

455
00:35:44,207 --> 00:35:47,725
Because I know how to talk to you.

456
00:35:47,749 --> 00:35:50,916
It's tiring to be the bridge sometimes.

457
00:35:53,666 --> 00:35:59,142
Recently, someone
asked me to be in a movie.

458
00:35:59,166 --> 00:36:04,683
I waited more than a
month before telling you.

459
00:36:04,707 --> 00:36:07,499
I read the screenplay.

460
00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:10,267
But I felt it wasn't up to standard.

461
00:36:10,291 --> 00:36:13,350
I told them that if it
didn't pass my standard

462
00:36:13,374 --> 00:36:15,433
it definitely will not pass Tsai's.

463
00:36:15,457 --> 00:36:16,850
So I told him to revise it.

464
00:36:16,874 --> 00:36:23,267
Only when it was more
acceptable did I tell you about it.

465
00:36:23,291 --> 00:36:28,517
I was pleasantly surprised
when you agreed immediately.

466
00:36:28,541 --> 00:36:30,975
I am always willing to agree!

467
00:36:30,999 --> 00:36:34,933
But I will consider the big picture.

468
00:36:34,957 --> 00:36:38,642
Will it benefit you in any way?

469
00:36:38,666 --> 00:36:42,517
The quality and working
conditions should be acceptable.

470
00:36:42,541 --> 00:36:45,600
It's not about how much they will pay you.

471
00:36:45,624 --> 00:36:48,041
It's usually about the
production conditions.

472
00:36:49,124 --> 00:36:51,767
For example, if someone asks
you to play a school principal.

473
00:36:51,791 --> 00:36:54,350
Do you think it will work?

474
00:36:54,374 --> 00:36:59,332
You did it anyway and I
thought it was really weird.

475
00:37:00,916 --> 00:37:07,225
I was often worried about you that way.

476
00:37:07,249 --> 00:37:10,082
But later, when you got
less offers, I was less worried.

477
00:37:10,541 --> 00:37:12,600
You haven't been getting
offers in the past few years

478
00:37:12,624 --> 00:37:13,518
so I am less worried.

479
00:37:13,542 --> 00:37:15,767
I am more concerned about your health.

480
00:37:15,791 --> 00:37:17,767
For example, the problem with your neck.

481
00:37:17,791 --> 00:37:22,642
How will you handle other
people's expectations of you?

482
00:37:22,666 --> 00:37:28,683
I was shocked when I visited
you on Ann Hui's film set.

483
00:37:28,707 --> 00:37:31,892
Your neck wasn't too serious at that time.

484
00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:34,058
Because you had just
undergone treatment for it.

485
00:37:34,082 --> 00:37:37,433
So when she requested you to cry and

486
00:37:37,457 --> 00:37:40,933
put on an act for the
camera, I was shocked.

487
00:37:40,957 --> 00:37:43,392
Because I didn't think
you were that kind of actor.

488
00:37:43,416 --> 00:37:44,725
That's why you were
very tired at that time.

489
00:37:44,749 --> 00:37:46,707
The results were not exactly ideal either.

490
00:37:48,082 --> 00:37:52,225
I am basically like your
agent, protecting you

491
00:37:52,249 --> 00:37:54,017
but not interfering in your work.

492
00:37:54,041 --> 00:37:55,850
Especially when you
work with good directors.

493
00:37:55,874 --> 00:37:57,642
I trust them with their methods.

494
00:37:57,666 --> 00:38:03,642
But I feel you are a
different kind of actor

495
00:38:03,666 --> 00:38:05,850
unlike Anthony Wong,
who can be very versatile.

496
00:38:05,874 --> 00:38:07,517
You are different.

497
00:38:07,541 --> 00:38:10,808
And because of that, I
think you are very precious.

498
00:38:10,832 --> 00:38:14,874
I was particularly anxious when later on...

499
00:38:15,666 --> 00:38:22,957
after The River and The Hole

500
00:38:23,374 --> 00:38:25,134
around the time that
your father passed away

501
00:38:25,957 --> 00:38:27,183
you signed a contract with a talent agency.

502
00:38:27,207 --> 00:38:29,392
That was the period
when I was most anxious.

503
00:38:29,416 --> 00:38:32,433
Because you had signed
on with a Hong Kong agency.

504
00:38:32,457 --> 00:38:36,267
How should I put it...

505
00:38:36,291 --> 00:38:43,350
I wasn't sure if you could
hold on to your unique quality.

506
00:38:43,374 --> 00:38:48,808
Of course I can. It comes from my heart.

507
00:38:48,832 --> 00:38:52,600
And you often argued with me at that time.

508
00:38:52,624 --> 00:38:57,624
You said you didn't want to
play a gay man all the time.

509
00:38:58,749 --> 00:39:02,749
I was aware of your
resistance to such roles.

510
00:39:05,957 --> 00:39:10,975
You were under an agency
and other directors wanted you.

511
00:39:10,999 --> 00:39:12,933
But I never stopped you.

512
00:39:12,957 --> 00:39:17,975
I just didn't want you to feel that way.

513
00:39:17,999 --> 00:39:20,433
I didn't want you to
resist being in my films.

514
00:39:20,457 --> 00:39:23,600
That resistance went away eventually.

515
00:39:23,624 --> 00:39:29,058
I am now in discussions
with a talent agency in China.

516
00:39:29,082 --> 00:39:30,892
Well, it's not really an agency.

517
00:39:30,916 --> 00:39:33,308
It's a person from China
I'm in discussion with.

518
00:39:33,332 --> 00:39:35,975
I made you a priority in my conditions.

519
00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:37,642
He asked me

520
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:42,933
what happens if a China and
Taiwan production clashed.

521
00:39:42,957 --> 00:39:47,517
I told him my priority is your films,
followed by the China ones

522
00:39:47,541 --> 00:39:51,433
and finally other Taiwanese projects.

523
00:39:51,457 --> 00:39:53,933
I am no longer worried about these issues.

524
00:39:53,957 --> 00:39:57,642
I feel that you have reached
a new level after Stray Dogs.

525
00:39:57,666 --> 00:40:02,933
You can take on any role offered to you.

526
00:40:02,957 --> 00:40:10,957
In recent years,
ever since our stage play, Only You.

527
00:40:13,749 --> 00:40:17,850
I've had this strong feeling.

528
00:40:17,874 --> 00:40:20,892
Seeing you perform to a
large audience with such ease.

529
00:40:20,916 --> 00:40:25,850
I felt I had nothing to worry about.

530
00:40:25,874 --> 00:40:28,683
Except your neck problem.

531
00:40:28,707 --> 00:40:33,499
I don't think my neck
poses a problem in other people's films.

532
00:40:35,082 --> 00:40:36,558
Why is it my problem again?

533
00:40:36,582 --> 00:40:38,808
Because you shoot such long takes.

534
00:40:38,832 --> 00:40:40,791
Their takes are over
in two or three seconds.

535
00:40:51,624 --> 00:40:53,957
I won't have any problem with my neck.

536
00:40:54,957 --> 00:41:00,499
Besides, you often require actors
to blank out in a scene

537
00:41:01,291 --> 00:41:08,433
which is actually quite
difficult, especially for me.

538
00:41:08,457 --> 00:41:12,683
Because when an actor's
mind is in a blank state

539
00:41:12,707 --> 00:41:16,058
he will feel uneasy and
uncertain of what to do

540
00:41:16,082 --> 00:41:17,850
so it may end up looking unnatural.

541
00:41:17,874 --> 00:41:22,267
Like when I have my photo
taken, I often look unnatural.

542
00:41:22,291 --> 00:41:24,892
I look more unnatural in a
photo than when I am acting.

543
00:41:24,916 --> 00:41:30,100
But this is how you've been acting
for the past twenty years.

544
00:41:30,124 --> 00:41:34,142
Same goes for Lu Yi-ching,

545
00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:37,249
Chen Shiang-chyi and Kuei-mei.

546
00:41:38,749 --> 00:41:41,916
This is how I see it.

547
00:41:42,832 --> 00:41:49,457
I don't need you to follow my direction.

548
00:41:50,082 --> 00:41:54,100
No need to express anything,
but simply deal with the situation.

549
00:41:54,124 --> 00:41:56,142
I think that's more real for me.

550
00:41:56,166 --> 00:42:02,350
It's better than reading lines
or exploring the motivation.

551
00:42:02,374 --> 00:42:06,767
I can no longer work that way.

552
00:42:06,791 --> 00:42:08,124
Do you know what I mean?

553
00:42:08,624 --> 00:42:12,642
I never ask how you feel
because I don't want to know.

554
00:42:12,666 --> 00:42:14,892
There is no need to know.

555
00:42:14,916 --> 00:42:19,475
Of course, as you said,
it's sometimes more difficult.

556
00:42:19,499 --> 00:42:27,499
Now I feel, ever since
we finished Stray Dogs.

557
00:42:28,666 --> 00:42:31,850
I have complete faith that
you can achieve anything.

558
00:42:31,874 --> 00:42:33,433
For example, this new
play that we are working on.

559
00:42:33,457 --> 00:42:37,350
Did I ever discuss anything with you? No.

560
00:42:37,374 --> 00:42:40,433
I'd tell you to walk
slower or faster, that's all.

561
00:42:40,457 --> 00:42:44,832
More relaxed, more like a dance.
That's how I instruct you.

562
00:42:45,874 --> 00:42:49,642
Every time you performed,
like in The Monk From Tang Dynasty

563
00:42:49,666 --> 00:42:51,142
I am very happy.

564
00:42:51,166 --> 00:42:55,100
Everything you do on the
stage becomes a scene.

565
00:42:55,124 --> 00:42:58,392
Even eating a Chinese
pastry for fifteen minutes.

566
00:42:58,416 --> 00:42:59,642
I think it's difficult for
someone else to achieve that.

567
00:42:59,666 --> 00:43:02,558
My editor Xiaolei told me that
every time she edits your scene

568
00:43:02,582 --> 00:43:05,308
she feels that no one
could ever replace you.

569
00:43:05,332 --> 00:43:09,933
So you must be confident.
You are an actor like that.

570
00:43:09,957 --> 00:43:12,957
You are a walking actor, not a...

571
00:43:15,041 --> 00:43:16,267
How should I put it?

572
00:43:16,291 --> 00:43:21,791
What I'm trying to say is,
you are full of confidence now.

573
00:43:22,457 --> 00:43:24,517
So go out there and do it.

574
00:43:24,541 --> 00:43:30,791
As for me, I wonder if I
have any more roles for you.

575
00:43:31,666 --> 00:43:33,874
I don't know what's coming next.

576
00:43:34,582 --> 00:43:36,808
But I know that whatever
it is, it will involve you.

577
00:43:36,832 --> 00:43:39,166
Without you, I won't make a film.

578
00:43:40,832 --> 00:43:44,267
The question is, why is that?

579
00:43:44,291 --> 00:43:48,332
Why am I so insistent on doing it this way?

580
00:43:48,999 --> 00:43:50,767
I seldom tell you this.

581
00:43:50,791 --> 00:43:57,957
I sometimes talk about it
with my audience during talks

582
00:43:58,624 --> 00:44:02,350
or with my students
when I'm teaching a class.

583
00:44:02,374 --> 00:44:07,642
I often make you a
subject of my discussion.

584
00:44:07,666 --> 00:44:12,624
I often tell them not to study me,
but to study you instead.

585
00:44:13,332 --> 00:44:17,267
If you want to learn about me,
go study Lee Kang Sheng.

586
00:44:17,291 --> 00:44:20,600
I'd sometimes invite you to the classroom

587
00:44:20,624 --> 00:44:23,975
to answer questions from the students

588
00:44:23,999 --> 00:44:27,017
or simply let them observe
you while I step aside.

589
00:44:27,041 --> 00:44:29,725
I know you won't say much,

590
00:44:29,749 --> 00:44:35,392
but I think that's OK.

591
00:44:35,416 --> 00:44:37,999
I often wonder about this.

592
00:44:38,791 --> 00:44:41,892
I am very glad that God gave you to me.

593
00:44:41,916 --> 00:44:43,683
He really did give you to me.

594
00:44:43,707 --> 00:44:49,725
You became an important
element in my creative work.

595
00:44:49,749 --> 00:44:54,832
Without you, I won't be where I am today.

596
00:44:55,666 --> 00:44:57,426
When I see the work
we've completed together.

597
00:44:58,707 --> 00:45:03,433
I realize how international they are.

598
00:45:03,457 --> 00:45:05,697
We're going to art festivals
in Vienna or Brussels, etc.

599
00:45:06,832 --> 00:45:09,475
Or the short film,

600
00:45:09,499 --> 00:45:12,892
Walker, which can be seen in Brussels soon

601
00:45:12,916 --> 00:45:20,916
exhibited in a gallery in
an underground bunker.

602
00:45:21,666 --> 00:45:25,683
Viewed by visitors daily.

603
00:45:25,707 --> 00:45:28,457
I can't explain it,
but I feel really proud.

604
00:45:28,707 --> 00:45:31,517
This is how we work.
It is our collaboration.

605
00:45:31,541 --> 00:45:36,541
That's why I feel that you're
God's greatest gift to me.

606
00:45:38,041 --> 00:45:44,124
It's like I've been blessed with a child.

607
00:45:45,082 --> 00:45:46,683
A good child...

608
00:45:46,707 --> 00:45:54,332
Or rather, one who is willing
to go along with my ideas.

609
00:45:55,124 --> 00:46:02,749
And have resulted in
works that are quite unique.

610
00:46:03,249 --> 00:46:10,267
I think you can trace
the development of all our creative works.

611
00:46:10,291 --> 00:46:14,225
Everything seems to have been destined.

612
00:46:14,249 --> 00:46:17,207
For example, our first film was
Rebels of the Neon God.

613
00:46:17,707 --> 00:46:23,892
And the first role you played
in The Kid was a rebellious child.

614
00:46:23,916 --> 00:46:29,100
Someone who blackmails another child,
but is not really bad

615
00:46:29,124 --> 00:46:36,433
I've always wanted to be a bad child,
but I could never do it.

616
00:46:36,457 --> 00:46:38,933
I was a rebellious child.

617
00:46:38,957 --> 00:46:42,808
Not in terms of my behavior,
but in terms of my mentality.

618
00:46:42,832 --> 00:46:43,684
Mentally.

619
00:46:43,708 --> 00:46:44,725
That's right.

620
00:46:44,749 --> 00:46:49,350
Even though I grew up
in a strict family with a stern father.

621
00:46:49,374 --> 00:46:52,517
I still dared to try
and find fault with him.

622
00:46:52,541 --> 00:46:55,142
I followed him one day
to see if he was having an affair.

623
00:46:55,166 --> 00:46:58,808
I was punished for
that, but I had no regrets.

624
00:46:58,832 --> 00:47:00,874
I had to kneel and apologize.

625
00:47:01,499 --> 00:47:02,725
You know what I mean?

626
00:47:02,749 --> 00:47:07,975
I had a strange personality as a kid.

627
00:47:07,999 --> 00:47:11,517
But when I met you,
I felt that you were my alter ego.

628
00:47:11,541 --> 00:47:14,225
I can express that side
of myself through you.

629
00:47:14,249 --> 00:47:20,725
You retook your college
entrance exams several times.

630
00:47:20,749 --> 00:47:25,374
I accompanied you to register one time.

631
00:47:25,957 --> 00:47:33,957
I felt that you didn't fit into

632
00:47:35,666 --> 00:47:40,892
the current mainstream life.

633
00:47:40,916 --> 00:47:42,517
But you couldn't do anything about it.

634
00:47:42,541 --> 00:47:44,850
Yet you're not a bad child.
You know what I mean?

635
00:47:44,874 --> 00:47:51,058
I guess I saw that factor in you.

636
00:47:51,082 --> 00:47:52,707
That's why I began working with you.

637
00:47:54,166 --> 00:47:58,183
From Rebels of the Neon God
to The Monk From Tang Dynasty

638
00:47:58,207 --> 00:48:00,683
I think your transformation
has been very interesting.

639
00:48:00,707 --> 00:48:05,475
Xuanzang didn't become a Buddha.
He simply went inside himself.

640
00:48:05,499 --> 00:48:07,933
It is a journey into his inner world.

641
00:48:07,957 --> 00:48:09,582
I think you are the same.

642
00:48:10,957 --> 00:48:15,308
I feel that I can only enter
my inner world through you.

643
00:48:15,332 --> 00:48:20,166
Because you are very calm
while I am always restless.

644
00:48:20,916 --> 00:48:28,517
So back to the question
of how you put up with me...

645
00:48:28,541 --> 00:48:30,392
It's been twenty two years.

646
00:48:30,416 --> 00:48:32,541
I have put up with you
for twenty two years too.

647
00:48:33,207 --> 00:48:39,207
I have to put up with
your apparent indifference.

648
00:48:39,874 --> 00:48:42,642
You seem to exist and
not exist at the same time.

649
00:48:42,666 --> 00:48:43,892
But of course you do exist.

650
00:48:43,916 --> 00:48:47,600
I became more certain of that
after reading the Diamond Sutra.

651
00:48:47,624 --> 00:48:52,600
It says a bodhisattva that doesn't
appear to be one is a real bodhisattva.

652
00:48:52,624 --> 00:48:54,975
A world that doesn't appear
to be one is a real world.

653
00:48:54,999 --> 00:48:58,892
Likewise, you exist because
you don't seem to exist.

654
00:48:58,916 --> 00:49:04,499
I think it is that which keeps us together.

655
00:49:05,791 --> 00:49:09,683
There is less friction
between us as time went by.

656
00:49:09,707 --> 00:49:11,707
The friction has become...

657
00:49:12,582 --> 00:49:16,475
Do you remember that big argument we had?

658
00:49:16,499 --> 00:49:17,683
What was it about?

659
00:49:17,707 --> 00:49:20,082
It was about some minor habits.

660
00:49:20,999 --> 00:49:21,999
Do you remember?

661
00:49:26,124 --> 00:49:30,166
It was in Jingmei, with
your god sister Yang Pi-ying.

662
00:49:30,541 --> 00:49:31,476
I don't remember.

663
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:33,517
You even told me to get off the motorbike.

664
00:49:33,541 --> 00:49:34,351
Did I?

665
00:49:34,375 --> 00:49:36,475
You were taking me on your motorbike.

666
00:49:36,499 --> 00:49:39,100
Sending me home to Jingmei.

667
00:49:39,124 --> 00:49:43,166
What was it about?
Was it about you spitting?

668
00:49:43,957 --> 00:49:46,058
You were eating
something and spitting at...

669
00:49:46,082 --> 00:49:47,933
We fought over this several times.

670
00:49:47,957 --> 00:49:51,100
You kept spitting in a tissue paper.

671
00:49:51,124 --> 00:49:53,558
I told you not to do that
because it's unhygienic.

672
00:49:53,582 --> 00:49:56,666
We quarreled and you became angry.

673
00:49:57,499 --> 00:50:00,267
We argued in front of Yang Pi-ying.

674
00:50:00,291 --> 00:50:08,291
After that, you took me on your bike.

675
00:50:09,332 --> 00:50:12,082
And you told me to get
off at a road junction.

676
00:50:13,541 --> 00:50:16,683
Or was it me who told you to get off?

677
00:50:16,707 --> 00:50:18,624
It's must have been me.

678
00:50:19,874 --> 00:50:21,558
Because I have a bike and you don't.

679
00:50:21,582 --> 00:50:24,416
That's right. Wait a second...

680
00:50:25,624 --> 00:50:29,100
Did I walk home after that?

681
00:50:29,124 --> 00:50:30,541
And you left on your bike?

682
00:50:35,457 --> 00:50:37,999
So we argued over minor things like that.

683
00:50:38,541 --> 00:50:40,874
Everyday issues.

684
00:50:46,666 --> 00:50:51,457
So we have a peculiar relationship.

685
00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:58,332
You can see it in my films.

686
00:50:59,207 --> 00:51:04,999
Having encountered you,
your background and personality

687
00:51:08,541 --> 00:51:11,166
and being with you ever since.
It's as if...

688
00:51:13,499 --> 00:51:18,082
Has my sexual orientation
ever given you trouble?

689
00:51:18,416 --> 00:51:19,351
What?

690
00:51:19,375 --> 00:51:22,624
My sexual orientation.
Has it ever bothered you?

691
00:51:24,041 --> 00:51:25,142
Not really.

692
00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:27,374
Why? I'm curious.

693
00:51:28,041 --> 00:51:30,666
What has it got to do with me?

694
00:51:33,207 --> 00:51:35,600
Except when people are interested in me,

695
00:51:35,624 --> 00:51:37,264
they do tend to ask many questions first.

696
00:51:39,166 --> 00:51:41,707
But I don't think it's a big issue.

697
00:51:44,124 --> 00:51:46,600
So it didn't affect you.

698
00:51:46,624 --> 00:51:52,874
I guess it reduced my opportunities. But...

699
00:51:54,082 --> 00:51:55,558
It didn't bother you?

700
00:51:55,582 --> 00:51:56,476
Bother me?

701
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:57,642
Didn't it?

702
00:51:57,666 --> 00:51:59,291
I was only worried about you.

703
00:52:00,749 --> 00:52:02,582
Worried about your health.

704
00:52:03,541 --> 00:52:04,624
How do you mean?

705
00:52:05,541 --> 00:52:08,933
I was worried you'll get sick.

706
00:52:08,957 --> 00:52:10,683
You mean AIDS?

707
00:52:10,707 --> 00:52:11,749
That's right.

708
00:52:13,457 --> 00:52:15,957
How could that happen? It's hard to say...

709
00:52:18,582 --> 00:52:19,666
Anything else?

710
00:52:20,374 --> 00:52:21,767
And also...

711
00:52:21,791 --> 00:52:24,433
This is the first time
I talk about this topic.

712
00:52:24,457 --> 00:52:28,142
I never did because I
didn't feel the need to.

713
00:52:28,166 --> 00:52:30,874
I'm just worried you'll get sick.

714
00:52:42,624 --> 00:52:44,082
Did you father know?

715
00:52:44,749 --> 00:52:46,725
I don't know. I never asked.

716
00:52:46,749 --> 00:52:47,850
What about your mother?

717
00:52:47,874 --> 00:52:49,332
My mother...

718
00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:50,683
She is probably confused.

719
00:52:50,707 --> 00:52:52,124
Yes, she's confused.

720
00:52:52,999 --> 00:52:54,332
She will never know.

721
00:52:55,166 --> 00:52:56,350
I can't tell if she does.

722
00:52:56,374 --> 00:52:59,017
Perhaps she's pretending not to know.

723
00:52:59,041 --> 00:53:01,225
She would never ask you.

724
00:53:01,249 --> 00:53:04,749
Yes, but sometimes
she slips off her tongue.

725
00:53:05,582 --> 00:53:08,832
One time she was criticizing
a homosexual on television.

726
00:53:10,416 --> 00:53:14,749
And she stopped all of a sudden
when she realized I was there.

727
00:53:19,791 --> 00:53:27,624
Why did they let their
child work and live with me?

728
00:53:28,957 --> 00:53:31,207
I must have changed their mindset.

729
00:53:33,249 --> 00:53:34,725
I'm not certain of that.

730
00:53:34,749 --> 00:53:35,916
What about your brother?

731
00:53:36,332 --> 00:53:38,017
Your brother never mentioned it?

732
00:53:38,041 --> 00:53:39,791
No he didn't.

733
00:53:40,707 --> 00:53:44,850
We became like a family quite naturally.

734
00:53:44,874 --> 00:53:46,999
His children spend time with me too.

735
00:53:50,291 --> 00:53:52,457
It's a very natural thing.

736
00:53:57,791 --> 00:54:00,499
I never did talk to my
family about it either.

737
00:54:01,624 --> 00:54:05,791
Except once briefly with my elder sister.

738
00:54:12,416 --> 00:54:18,457
We live in such a liberal society now.

739
00:54:22,749 --> 00:54:26,642
Why do I want to talk about this issue?

740
00:54:26,666 --> 00:54:28,306
I guess I won't have another opportunity.

741
00:54:29,166 --> 00:54:33,374
Going back to my sense of belonging.

742
00:54:35,791 --> 00:54:38,791
At one point in my life...

743
00:54:40,957 --> 00:54:44,350
the gay sauna gave me a sense of belonging.

744
00:54:44,374 --> 00:54:46,850
Like the father in The River.

745
00:54:46,874 --> 00:54:50,142
I went to one of them,
but nothing happened.

746
00:54:50,166 --> 00:54:52,558
Because to be intimate with someone

747
00:54:52,582 --> 00:54:55,892
there has to be mutual attraction.

748
00:54:55,916 --> 00:54:58,999
But to be honest, it
often turns out to be...

749
00:55:00,999 --> 00:55:04,249
You know that sometimes
I'd go to some places...

750
00:55:04,832 --> 00:55:05,832
You'll take some risks.

751
00:55:06,291 --> 00:55:12,291
Because there are guidebooks
to such places overseas.

752
00:55:14,041 --> 00:55:15,801
You've been to some
of those places with me.

753
00:55:16,457 --> 00:55:18,624
I always stood outside.

754
00:55:19,207 --> 00:55:21,475
Waiting for you to come out.

755
00:55:21,499 --> 00:55:23,767
Or we'd agree on a place to meet.

756
00:55:23,791 --> 00:55:26,666
If you didn't show up, I
was going to call the police.

757
00:55:29,791 --> 00:55:34,999
Those places may be risky
but they gave me a feeling.

758
00:55:35,791 --> 00:55:42,808
Simply put, they gave me a
sense of belonging, like being home.

759
00:55:42,832 --> 00:55:46,433
Because I know that in that world,
we're all the same.

760
00:55:46,457 --> 00:55:51,975
Very often, nothing would happen.

761
00:55:51,999 --> 00:55:59,999
But that feeling of restlessness
in me would subside.

762
00:56:05,374 --> 00:56:11,499
I feel at ease with you
because I can tell you these things.

763
00:56:12,374 --> 00:56:15,832
I can tell you about these
risky places I want to visit.

764
00:56:22,041 --> 00:56:28,874
But for a long time,
I didn't have a sense of belonging.

765
00:56:30,624 --> 00:56:32,957
It's the same when I
get into relationships.

766
00:56:33,249 --> 00:56:40,058
Sometimes the other
party will get jealous of you.

767
00:56:40,082 --> 00:56:42,999
They think that I love only you.

768
00:56:43,791 --> 00:56:44,975
They will feel that way.

769
00:56:44,999 --> 00:56:49,350
Like that guy from Italy.

770
00:56:49,374 --> 00:56:52,975
He was angry that I
called you daily from Italy.

771
00:56:52,999 --> 00:56:54,267
He couldn't understand why.

772
00:56:54,291 --> 00:56:56,666
I told him that I must hear your voice.

773
00:56:57,499 --> 00:56:58,957
I must make sure you are safe.

774
00:57:00,249 --> 00:57:03,957
Our relationship is weird like that.

775
00:57:05,041 --> 00:57:08,392
Of course, our phone
conversations tend to be short.

776
00:57:08,416 --> 00:57:12,767
Just like between a mother and son.

777
00:57:12,791 --> 00:57:16,267
Nothing's new!
Why did you call? It's expensive to call.

778
00:57:16,291 --> 00:57:17,392
That's about it.

779
00:57:17,416 --> 00:57:20,100
But you know this is important to me.

780
00:57:20,124 --> 00:57:23,041
Just like I called my mother frequently
when she was alive.

781
00:57:23,749 --> 00:57:28,124
When Lee Yi-cheng was born,
my burden was lessened.

782
00:57:28,582 --> 00:57:30,541
Because you will call him instead.

783
00:57:31,666 --> 00:57:32,832
My god son.

784
00:57:33,707 --> 00:57:36,975
But I do ask about you through him.

785
00:57:36,999 --> 00:57:39,433
I'd ask him to pass you the phone.

786
00:57:39,457 --> 00:57:43,267
It's a habit I can't kick,
no matter where I am.

787
00:57:43,291 --> 00:57:45,642
I don't understand why you don't telephone.

788
00:57:45,666 --> 00:57:47,026
For me, it's absolutely necessary.

789
00:57:50,957 --> 00:57:52,832
Simply put...

790
00:57:59,541 --> 00:58:02,707
I think life is good now...

791
00:58:03,707 --> 00:58:08,666
It's like how I feel after I began
keeping dogs. There's love.

792
00:58:09,499 --> 00:58:12,582
I miss my dogs too when I'm overseas.

793
00:58:14,332 --> 00:58:16,457
It's a good thing the dogs don't talk.

794
00:58:19,707 --> 00:58:24,832
You'll understand how I feel
if it refuses to answer your phone.

795
00:58:31,082 --> 00:58:36,267
We often travel together.

796
00:58:36,291 --> 00:58:37,892
When we travel together, I feel safe.

797
00:58:37,916 --> 00:58:44,249
Other than my younger
sisters or my late mother

798
00:58:45,291 --> 00:58:48,791
you're the one I worry
about when I'm overseas.

799
00:58:49,916 --> 00:58:53,225
I will get a sense that
something is hanging.

800
00:58:53,249 --> 00:58:59,124
I must have a telephone
card when I'm overseas.

801
00:58:59,707 --> 00:59:04,350
Ever since we've had cell phones

802
00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:08,183
the number of public
phones in Paris have reduced.

803
00:59:08,207 --> 00:59:10,791
Broken phones are no longer fixed.

804
00:59:11,374 --> 00:59:17,124
I like to use telephone cards
because they are cheaper.

805
00:59:17,624 --> 00:59:21,416
I don't know how to
use the internet at all.

806
00:59:21,707 --> 00:59:25,933
So you can imagine how I was
when I was in Europe.

807
00:59:25,957 --> 00:59:30,124
I remember when
I was in Marseilles for a film festival.

808
00:59:30,957 --> 00:59:36,475
A festival staff passed by me on the street

809
00:59:36,499 --> 00:59:37,933
and asked me what I was doing.

810
00:59:37,957 --> 00:59:39,397
I said I was using the public phone.

811
00:59:41,082 --> 00:59:42,374
That's the way I am.

812
00:59:43,832 --> 00:59:51,832
So what is our relationship like?

813
00:59:52,249 --> 00:59:54,457
You have too many phone calls to make.

814
00:59:55,874 --> 00:59:58,892
Even when I travel with you,
you'll always buy a phone card.

815
00:59:58,916 --> 01:00:02,142
If I was in a relationship,
I'd need to phone that person.

816
01:00:02,166 --> 01:00:04,249
If I wasn't, I will only call you!

817
01:00:04,916 --> 01:00:07,332
Isn't that right?

818
01:00:07,999 --> 01:00:10,082
I'd call you even if I
was in a relationship!

819
01:00:10,999 --> 01:00:17,832
Anyway, the phone
is your only entertainment at night.

820
01:00:19,166 --> 01:00:20,018
What?

821
01:00:20,042 --> 01:00:22,832
It's true! It's the same
when you're at home.

822
01:00:24,082 --> 01:00:29,183
Every time I walked by your room,
you'll be on the phone.

823
01:00:29,207 --> 01:00:30,517
You never seem to stop.

824
01:00:30,541 --> 01:00:31,892
Nonsense!

825
01:00:31,916 --> 01:00:32,851
You rarely stop.

826
01:00:32,875 --> 01:00:34,315
I talk on the phone less these days.

827
01:00:38,582 --> 01:00:40,933
I suppose I need someone to talk to.

828
01:00:40,957 --> 01:00:41,957
That's right.

829
01:00:45,166 --> 01:00:47,767
What about you? Always on the computer.

830
01:00:47,791 --> 01:00:51,808
- I have a different way of keeping in touch.
- What is it?

831
01:00:51,832 --> 01:00:55,332
You use the phone, I use the internet.
It's the same.

832
01:00:56,166 --> 01:00:59,041
I don't have any friends
here in the mountain.

833
01:00:59,916 --> 01:01:01,725
What about before?

834
01:01:01,749 --> 01:01:04,058
It's the same.

835
01:01:04,082 --> 01:01:05,558
You were always on the internet.

836
01:01:05,582 --> 01:01:08,916
I used to play internet games. Not anymore.

837
01:01:10,666 --> 01:01:14,291
I only surf the internet now.

838
01:01:20,332 --> 01:01:24,749
Let me ask you something serious.

839
01:01:26,582 --> 01:01:28,582
Will you cry when I pass away?

840
01:01:29,249 --> 01:01:30,666
I guess so.

841
01:01:32,999 --> 01:01:36,457
What will you do if I go first?

842
01:01:38,457 --> 01:01:41,624
I don't know how to talk about this.

843
01:01:43,166 --> 01:01:44,366
You don't ever think about it?

844
01:01:46,124 --> 01:01:51,183
After my father passed away,
I seldom think about him.

845
01:01:51,207 --> 01:01:52,059
Why?

846
01:01:52,083 --> 01:01:54,124
Because it made me sad.

847
01:01:55,541 --> 01:01:58,666
Why think about sad things?

848
01:02:02,332 --> 01:02:06,100
I made What Time Is It There
because of your father's death.

849
01:02:06,124 --> 01:02:10,791
I saw that you were
miserable for almost half a year.

850
01:02:11,666 --> 01:02:16,041
We were traveling to many
film festivals at that time.

851
01:02:17,916 --> 01:02:20,100
Your misery made me sad too.

852
01:02:20,124 --> 01:02:25,957
I wanted to find a way
for you to walk out of it.

853
01:02:26,457 --> 01:02:28,749
I felt that making a film
might be a good way.

854
01:02:29,707 --> 01:02:31,457
So I made What Time Is It There.

855
01:02:36,707 --> 01:02:37,791
So...

856
01:02:41,249 --> 01:02:42,809
You won't think about things like that?

857
01:02:43,582 --> 01:02:49,249
I try not to. I don't dwell on it.

858
01:02:53,791 --> 01:02:55,749
Do you want to meet
me again in your next life?

859
01:02:58,249 --> 01:02:59,249
That's too far away.

860
01:03:00,582 --> 01:03:02,124
I'm such a romantic.

861
01:03:04,832 --> 01:03:07,082
Am I declaring my love to him?

862
01:03:10,916 --> 01:03:13,183
Do you want to meet me?

863
01:03:13,207 --> 01:03:17,457
In my next life? No. I
don't think about that.

864
01:03:18,666 --> 01:03:20,874
Do you wish to meet me?

865
01:03:22,166 --> 01:03:23,707
Should we decide on a secret signal?

866
01:03:25,791 --> 01:03:28,207
Like in the movie, Rouge.

867
01:03:33,124 --> 01:03:38,207
I believe that we have a
predestined relationship.

868
01:03:44,999 --> 01:03:52,999
We don't need to understand each other much
to live together.

869
01:03:54,999 --> 01:03:56,642
It doesn't matter what others say.

870
01:03:56,666 --> 01:03:58,874
We have a simple life together.

871
01:04:04,582 --> 01:04:07,332
For example, when we share a hotel room.

872
01:04:07,957 --> 01:04:11,666
Some festivals are poorer
and can only offer one room.

873
01:04:12,582 --> 01:04:15,041
We don't even close the bathroom door.

874
01:04:15,666 --> 01:04:17,433
I can walk around without my clothes on.

875
01:04:17,457 --> 01:04:20,332
Strangely, we don't feel awkward about it.

876
01:04:21,249 --> 01:04:29,124
It is quite peculiar.

877
01:04:30,374 --> 01:04:32,916
This is definitely not a
romantic relationship.

878
01:04:33,582 --> 01:04:35,542
Romantic relationships
may not even be like this.

879
01:04:35,832 --> 01:04:43,517
It feels closer, like family.

880
01:04:43,541 --> 01:04:47,933
Yet we are not related.

881
01:04:47,957 --> 01:04:54,183
In our worst of times,
when we were attacked by others.

882
01:04:54,207 --> 01:04:59,017
Like in our company back then.

883
01:04:59,041 --> 01:05:07,041
I said you can kill me,
but you can't take Lee Kang Sheng away.

884
01:05:07,749 --> 01:05:10,957
Why? Because you are
like a tumor in my body.

885
01:05:12,832 --> 01:05:16,207
It's benign, but if you cut
it, I will bleed and feel pain.

886
01:05:16,874 --> 01:05:18,374
You can't cut it.

887
01:05:19,124 --> 01:05:26,225
I find it interesting
how people accept the way we are.

888
01:05:26,249 --> 01:05:29,017
Including those film
distributors or investors.

889
01:05:29,041 --> 01:05:32,267
They never question us.

890
01:05:32,291 --> 01:05:38,142
They never question
why the main actor has to be you.

891
01:05:38,166 --> 01:05:42,183
We seldom talk about this issue.

892
01:05:42,207 --> 01:05:46,225
What do you think of it?

893
01:05:46,249 --> 01:05:48,600
Actually, it's not good for me.

894
01:05:48,624 --> 01:05:49,683
What do you mean?

895
01:05:49,707 --> 01:05:54,166
Because they should be allowed
to request for another actor.

896
01:05:55,499 --> 01:05:59,225
What do you mean? They never asked.

897
01:05:59,249 --> 01:06:01,707
They will never make such a request.

898
01:06:02,332 --> 01:06:03,392
They don't ask because
they know you won't agree.

899
01:06:03,416 --> 01:06:04,725
Many people want to work with you.

900
01:06:04,749 --> 01:06:07,308
I know, and I am attracted by their offers.

901
01:06:07,332 --> 01:06:10,582
But I have no choice.
I don't have that many films to make.

902
01:06:11,582 --> 01:06:12,749
You understand?

903
01:06:13,249 --> 01:06:19,683
I began to feel that I am
making films because of you.

904
01:06:19,707 --> 01:06:21,166
That's how I feel.

905
01:06:22,207 --> 01:06:26,100
I actually dread making films,
especially in recent years.

906
01:06:26,124 --> 01:06:29,082
I feel tired or lazy or frustrated.

907
01:06:29,666 --> 01:06:33,058
The constant anxiety.

908
01:06:33,082 --> 01:06:37,874
But if it's with you,
I'll be able to do it.

909
01:06:40,874 --> 01:06:44,058
Now, I feel safe and relaxed.

910
01:06:44,082 --> 01:06:48,416
I don't feel the need to
make many more films.

911
01:06:49,957 --> 01:06:51,791
I can stop making films completely.

912
01:06:53,166 --> 01:06:56,707
I am satisfied to just film you walking.

913
01:06:58,541 --> 01:07:05,124
I feel that I have found a
comfortable place in my life.

914
01:07:06,207 --> 01:07:14,207
I am no longer worried about
trying to make ends meet.

915
01:07:15,374 --> 01:07:18,666
The reason is because I am getting older.

916
01:07:19,499 --> 01:07:21,225
There are lesser things I want to do now.

917
01:07:21,249 --> 01:07:26,666
My main focus is on
creating works involving you.

918
01:07:34,124 --> 01:07:35,541
That's all.

919
01:07:40,541 --> 01:07:42,874
You should slowly decrease your workload.

920
01:07:45,541 --> 01:07:50,166
Since we moved here,
you haven't even gone out for a walk.

921
01:07:52,957 --> 01:07:55,916
You are always in the house.

922
01:07:59,291 --> 01:08:00,791
Yes, I am lazy.

923
01:08:02,207 --> 01:08:03,850
I've been everywhere around here.

924
01:08:03,874 --> 01:08:04,809
I am so lazy.

925
01:08:04,833 --> 01:08:06,725
But I did go down with you one time!

926
01:08:06,749 --> 01:08:07,832
Only once.

927
01:08:08,832 --> 01:08:11,124
I grow crops in the back.

928
01:08:12,207 --> 01:08:14,457
Trees and vegetables.

929
01:08:14,749 --> 01:08:15,643
I am happy!

930
01:08:15,667 --> 01:08:17,624
I walk the dog and walk everywhere.

931
01:08:19,207 --> 01:08:23,707
I haven't left the mountain
but I've explored the vicinity.

932
01:08:24,416 --> 01:08:26,267
I feel a sense of stability.

933
01:08:26,291 --> 01:08:31,166
I wish I could live a little longer.

934
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:34,832
I wish to enjoy this life a little more.

935
01:08:35,291 --> 01:08:40,124
It feels a little like my childhood.

936
01:08:42,499 --> 01:08:45,124
What I find interesting is...

937
01:08:51,874 --> 01:08:55,707
It actually takes the
form of a folk legend.

938
01:08:56,832 --> 01:09:04,832
All my films deal with the
age-old theme of morality.

939
01:09:05,332 --> 01:09:11,892
Like the relationship
between Nezha and his father

940
01:09:11,916 --> 01:09:15,291
or between him and the era he lived in.

941
01:09:18,332 --> 01:09:20,558
Family ties remain even if you cut them...

942
01:09:20,582 --> 01:09:26,308
Even when Nezha returned
his body to his parents

943
01:09:26,332 --> 01:09:29,433
the ties remain, like when
you cut a lotus root in half.

944
01:09:29,457 --> 01:09:33,225
Nezha's other body is made of lotus root.

945
01:09:33,249 --> 01:09:35,267
So it literally is as the
Chinese idiom says.

946
01:09:35,291 --> 01:09:37,975
There are things in this world
that he couldn't let go of.

947
01:09:37,999 --> 01:09:43,475
If you look at my life on the whole

948
01:09:43,499 --> 01:09:47,850
I have parents and siblings.

949
01:09:47,874 --> 01:09:50,392
I've also had lovers in the past.

950
01:09:50,416 --> 01:09:55,124
But the one person I can't bear
to let go of is Lee Kang Sheng.

951
01:09:55,916 --> 01:10:00,600
It's strange.
I can't shift my camera lens away from him.

952
01:10:00,624 --> 01:10:03,999
I can't help but continue filming him.

953
01:10:05,749 --> 01:10:12,683
It's as if the camera were my secret weapon

954
01:10:12,707 --> 01:10:16,642
and I will only use it for him.

955
01:10:16,666 --> 01:10:18,267
I don't know how he feels.

956
01:10:18,291 --> 01:10:20,124
But I'm very certain how I feel.

957
01:10:22,916 --> 01:10:29,916
He is the most important person
in my work and in my life.

958
01:10:30,749 --> 01:10:32,808
So whenever I think about death

959
01:10:32,832 --> 01:10:35,999
my first thought is how
would he feel about it?

960
01:10:36,291 --> 01:10:38,683
How would he feel if I were to leave?

961
01:10:38,707 --> 01:10:41,142
It may not be death.

962
01:10:41,166 --> 01:10:44,725
What if I simply left
him. How would he feel?

963
01:10:44,749 --> 01:10:49,541
My life is good now.

964
01:10:50,999 --> 01:10:54,017
And I want to keep it that way.

965
01:10:54,041 --> 01:10:58,683
I don't want to do anything
except go on with my life with him.

966
01:10:58,707 --> 01:11:02,683
It's interesting because
it is like a return to...

967
01:11:02,707 --> 01:11:06,267
the way that I was with my grandfather.

968
01:11:06,291 --> 01:11:08,725
I loved my grandpa very much.

969
01:11:08,749 --> 01:11:11,517
I can't explain that love.

970
01:11:11,541 --> 01:11:14,183
We held hands when we slept together.

971
01:11:14,207 --> 01:11:17,041
I was around three or four or five.

972
01:11:19,707 --> 01:11:23,225
There was no need to know him.
He was simply an old man.

973
01:11:23,249 --> 01:11:24,749
And he doted on me.

974
01:11:27,457 --> 01:11:29,517
And one day, he just died.

975
01:11:29,541 --> 01:11:31,600
No wait, before that we
were separated for a while.

976
01:11:31,624 --> 01:11:37,517
My father took me home from him
when I was in grade four.

977
01:11:37,541 --> 01:11:40,683
We were separated for more than a year.

978
01:11:40,707 --> 01:11:44,957
He only came to visit
during the school vacation.

979
01:11:45,249 --> 01:11:48,767
But during school semesters...

980
01:11:48,791 --> 01:11:51,666
My relationship with my
grandpa was very special.

981
01:11:52,832 --> 01:11:58,392
I thought about him every day for
an hour or two before I fell asleep.

982
01:11:58,416 --> 01:12:02,207
Which is why I don't fall sleep easily.
My mind is always active.

983
01:12:02,874 --> 01:12:08,725
I was simply longing for that one person.

984
01:12:08,749 --> 01:12:11,475
I only missed him, not my grandmother

985
01:12:11,499 --> 01:12:13,975
even though she doted on me too.

986
01:12:13,999 --> 01:12:16,975
I would stick his photograph on the wall.

987
01:12:16,999 --> 01:12:20,017
I would imagine being
with him in the mountain.

988
01:12:20,041 --> 01:12:22,058
Living the life that we have now.

989
01:12:22,082 --> 01:12:25,808
Growing vegetables and
doing other things together.

990
01:12:25,832 --> 01:12:29,791
Sometimes I'd weep. It's
actually quite abnormal.

991
01:12:30,332 --> 01:12:32,874
I was around fifth or sixth grade.

992
01:12:33,624 --> 01:12:37,541
My grandpa passed away a few years later.

993
01:12:38,874 --> 01:12:42,666
This was an important period in my memory.

994
01:12:43,416 --> 01:12:51,416
It felt like a kind of rebellion.

995
01:12:52,249 --> 01:12:58,142
I imagined that we were
running away together.

996
01:12:58,166 --> 01:13:04,183
So when I look at the
life we have in this world

997
01:13:04,207 --> 01:13:06,600
I begin to have this feeling...

998
01:13:06,624 --> 01:13:08,850
that we are very lucky
to be working together.

999
01:13:08,874 --> 01:13:13,791
Even though we still
have some minor problems.

1000
01:13:15,499 --> 01:13:17,957
I feel that we are doing relatively well.

1001
01:13:19,666 --> 01:13:24,183
I feel that what I have right now is

1002
01:13:24,207 --> 01:13:29,558
the life with Lee Kang Sheng
that I have dreamt about.

1003
01:13:29,582 --> 01:13:33,725
I know that this could be short-lived.

1004
01:13:33,749 --> 01:13:37,749
Perhaps I may die suddenly.

1005
01:13:40,916 --> 01:13:48,267
When I look back and ask myself
if I have wasted my life

1006
01:13:48,291 --> 01:13:49,975
I know that I have not.

1007
01:13:49,999 --> 01:13:52,308
Sometimes I'd think from your perspective.

1008
01:13:52,332 --> 01:13:55,808
And I feel that you haven't
wasted your life either.

1009
01:13:55,832 --> 01:13:58,791
Even though you are not competitive

1010
01:14:01,207 --> 01:14:07,558
and you don't have
big ambitions or desires.

1011
01:14:07,582 --> 01:14:10,433
Actually, I'm not ambitious either.

1012
01:14:10,457 --> 01:14:12,767
I found a little fame by chance

1013
01:14:12,791 --> 01:14:15,166
and have been doing
what I do by chance too.

1014
01:14:18,249 --> 01:14:23,058
But there must be a reason
why God made it that way.

1015
01:14:23,082 --> 01:14:24,392
You know what I mean?

1016
01:14:24,416 --> 01:14:28,683
I was very happy when someone
called you Master Taigu that day.

1017
01:14:28,707 --> 01:14:34,642
I figured I must be like
Master Taigu too then.

1018
01:14:34,666 --> 01:14:41,975
Since we live in this world,
we must help the world a little.

1019
01:14:41,999 --> 01:14:46,999
So I am very proud
of the work we've done in this lifetime.

1020
01:14:47,624 --> 01:14:53,100
I'm sure you feel this way
when you look at our body of work.

1021
01:14:53,124 --> 01:14:59,624
Or when we attend
retrospective screenings or film festivals.

1022
01:15:00,166 --> 01:15:08,166
Or when we get good reviews from others.

1023
01:15:10,332 --> 01:15:14,392
For example, two days ago,
I received a book from the UK.

1024
01:15:14,416 --> 01:15:17,725
It's published by the
Oxford University Press.

1025
01:15:17,749 --> 01:15:20,017
A book about our films,
our cinema of slowness.

1026
01:15:20,041 --> 01:15:22,517
I couldn't understand
it as it was in English.

1027
01:15:22,541 --> 01:15:27,725
But I felt proud to have
a book like that about us.

1028
01:15:27,749 --> 01:15:32,683
Last year, there was another
book from China by Song-Yong Sing.

1029
01:15:32,707 --> 01:15:35,683
The recognition for our work
seems to come pretty late.

1030
01:15:35,707 --> 01:15:36,767
But then again, not really.

1031
01:15:36,791 --> 01:15:40,225
At least we are getting
recognition in this lifetime.

1032
01:15:40,249 --> 01:15:43,558
We often watch old classic films ourselves.

1033
01:15:43,582 --> 01:15:50,475
I can imagine our films being appreciated
in the same way by others.

1034
01:15:50,499 --> 01:15:55,267
Which is why I'm often happy for you.

1035
01:15:55,291 --> 01:15:59,142
Really. It's hard to explain.

1036
01:15:59,166 --> 01:16:04,642
I recently attended a talk
organized by INK Publishing

1037
01:16:04,666 --> 01:16:06,767
with two or three hundred listeners.

1038
01:16:06,791 --> 01:16:08,791
I told them that Lee Kang
Sheng is very important.

1039
01:16:09,166 --> 01:16:11,183
But I find it hard to explain clearly.

1040
01:16:11,207 --> 01:16:13,791
I told them that you are a Taiwanese kid

1041
01:16:14,791 --> 01:16:19,892
who didn't have the attributes
of a mainstream actor.

1042
01:16:19,916 --> 01:16:23,808
You didn't have the typical conditions
to be a famous star.

1043
01:16:23,832 --> 01:16:29,308
But think about his position
in the world of cinema today.

1044
01:16:29,332 --> 01:16:35,100
I don't have to explain further.
You should know what I mean.

1045
01:16:35,124 --> 01:16:39,267
You may have been uncertain
about making my films before.

1046
01:16:39,291 --> 01:16:43,517
The income is little and barely enough.
So why do it?

1047
01:16:43,541 --> 01:16:49,683
It actually suits your personality.

1048
01:16:49,707 --> 01:16:51,975
And little by little we
got to where we are.

1049
01:16:51,999 --> 01:16:56,683
I think it's a terrific plan by God.

1050
01:16:56,707 --> 01:16:59,582
I would have left if it
didn't suit my personality.

1051
01:17:00,416 --> 01:17:02,832
No, I meant that it didn't suit your needs.

1052
01:17:03,207 --> 01:17:08,041
It does suit your personality, very much.

1053
01:17:09,124 --> 01:17:10,933
I understand the way you are.

1054
01:17:10,957 --> 01:17:18,892
Which is why I think we're
a match made in heaven.

1055
01:17:18,916 --> 01:17:24,350
You don't have any desires,
and I want to do it my own way.

1056
01:17:24,374 --> 01:17:28,957
We often had to put up with loneliness.

1057
01:17:29,874 --> 01:17:35,475
But we've also received
a lot of praise and positive feedback.

1058
01:17:35,499 --> 01:17:37,892
We've received help from many people.

1059
01:17:37,916 --> 01:17:43,249
Basically, I feel that this
life is almost complete.

1060
01:17:43,666 --> 01:17:46,707
This has been a wonderful relationship.

1061
01:17:48,582 --> 01:17:55,850
I am happy to continue this way
in our remaining years.

1062
01:17:55,874 --> 01:17:57,767
I feel more confident.

1063
01:17:57,791 --> 01:17:59,850
Because I can see your confidence too.

1064
01:17:59,874 --> 01:18:01,767
Especially during The
Monk From Tang Dynasty

1065
01:18:01,791 --> 01:18:03,100
or the slow-walking films.

1066
01:18:03,124 --> 01:18:08,457
I can see that confidence in your calmness.

1067
01:18:09,416 --> 01:18:11,892
Except for your physical fatigue...

1068
01:18:11,916 --> 01:18:16,975
I used to sense a bit of impatience in you
but not anymore.

1069
01:18:16,999 --> 01:18:21,416
I'll say 'roll camera, begin
walking', and you'd do it.

1070
01:18:22,291 --> 01:18:27,999
I suddenly felt that there
was no need for any NGs.

1071
01:18:28,582 --> 01:18:32,791
Whether your walking is good or bad,
you are still walking.

1072
01:18:33,416 --> 01:18:38,225
With The Monk From Tang Dynasty,
I felt that

1073
01:18:38,249 --> 01:18:40,582
we had the chance to do something...

1074
01:18:41,749 --> 01:18:45,499
How should I put it?

1075
01:18:46,499 --> 01:18:54,499
God has given us an
interesting method of expression.

1076
01:18:55,082 --> 01:18:57,332
Something for the world to see.

1077
01:18:59,249 --> 01:19:05,332
This method goes beyond
all logical expectations.

1078
01:19:06,416 --> 01:19:11,582
You never asked me why
you had to play Xuanzang this way.

1079
01:19:13,624 --> 01:19:17,374
It doesn't seem to be
about Xuanzang, but it is.

1080
01:19:18,874 --> 01:19:23,582
Because... that is your
version of Xuanzang.

1081
01:19:23,999 --> 01:19:26,058
Yes, it is my Xuanzang.

1082
01:19:26,082 --> 01:19:32,874
Why do we need to start with
something we understand?

1083
01:19:33,457 --> 01:19:37,058
Why can't we reinterpret from scratch?

1084
01:19:37,082 --> 01:19:41,975
Why can't it come as a result
of our own understanding?

1085
01:19:41,999 --> 01:19:45,957
But I need you in order to express it.

1086
01:19:46,874 --> 01:19:51,624
Whenever I see you rehearse at the theatre.

1087
01:19:53,082 --> 01:19:56,332
I know it is difficult for
you, but I am happy.

1088
01:19:57,957 --> 01:20:00,332
I know the work will be done.

1089
01:20:02,957 --> 01:20:04,916
I don't know, I feel that...

1090
01:20:09,207 --> 01:20:13,808
This is too strange to be true.

1091
01:20:13,832 --> 01:20:21,832
How can there be such
an actor or person in my life

1092
01:20:23,957 --> 01:20:28,791
creating such performances in my work.

1093
01:20:33,041 --> 01:20:34,541
Do you have any questions for me?

1094
01:20:39,124 --> 01:20:40,124
No...

1095
01:20:42,416 --> 01:20:44,082
Do you still want a sports car?

1096
01:20:44,582 --> 01:20:45,791
Sure I do.

1097
01:20:48,916 --> 01:20:51,457
I don't know when I will die either.

1098
01:20:51,999 --> 01:20:53,624
I would like to experience it once.

1099
01:20:57,291 --> 01:20:59,207
Why don't I ever feel that way?

1100
01:20:59,874 --> 01:21:03,666
Because you don't even know how to drive!

1101
01:21:05,749 --> 01:21:07,725
You only know how to ride the motorbike.

1102
01:21:07,749 --> 01:21:10,207
I'm too lazy to even
ride the bike these days.

1103
01:21:12,582 --> 01:21:14,499
It's good to have you as my chauffeur.

1104
01:21:15,457 --> 01:21:20,350
What else? Any other questions or comments?

1105
01:21:20,374 --> 01:21:22,749
Or advice for me? You better not...

1106
01:21:23,874 --> 01:21:25,957
You won't listen to my advice anyway.

1107
01:21:26,707 --> 01:21:28,457
You seek your own trouble.

1108
01:21:30,291 --> 01:21:31,791
I don't anymore.

1109
01:21:32,416 --> 01:21:35,683
But you are still so busy.

1110
01:21:35,707 --> 01:21:37,874
Busy? Yes.

1111
01:21:40,624 --> 01:21:42,933
You'll find lots of things to do.

1112
01:21:42,957 --> 01:21:43,957
I don't anymore.

1113
01:21:45,291 --> 01:21:49,124
I'm merely fulfilling all the
promises I made before.

1114
01:21:51,416 --> 01:21:53,916
What else do you want to say?
We're almost done.

1115
01:21:54,416 --> 01:21:59,041
Xiaokang, do you worry
that he will be lonely when he gets old?

1116
01:21:59,499 --> 01:22:02,207
I suppose I will take care of him.

1117
01:22:04,541 --> 01:22:05,957
I'm glad to hear that.

1118
01:22:08,457 --> 01:22:10,166
I believe they will take care of me.

1119
01:22:15,707 --> 01:22:18,207
Including my godson, his nephew.

1120
01:22:19,374 --> 01:22:20,642
I believe he will do that.

1121
01:22:20,666 --> 01:22:24,207
I need to earn more money
so I can hire a nurse for you.

1122
01:22:25,374 --> 01:22:27,308
Haven't I already bought insurance?

1123
01:22:27,332 --> 01:22:30,142
You still need a nurse to look after you!

1124
01:22:30,166 --> 01:22:31,808
In case I'm away for work.

1125
01:22:31,832 --> 01:22:33,791
OK then.

1126
01:22:45,832 --> 01:22:46,832
What else?

1127
01:22:51,082 --> 01:22:54,041
We won't have a lot of chances
to talk like this again.

1128
01:22:54,541 --> 01:22:58,291
Says who? We can talk anytime.

1129
01:23:02,207 --> 01:23:05,457
Do you wish that he'd
find a companion soon?

1130
01:23:06,332 --> 01:23:10,416
Him? Of course.

1131
01:23:11,457 --> 01:23:15,457
There's no one. I've given up.

1132
01:23:19,582 --> 01:23:20,999
He's too picky.

1133
01:23:26,291 --> 01:23:27,475
How so?

1134
01:23:27,499 --> 01:23:31,166
Tell them. How picky are you?

1135
01:23:31,957 --> 01:23:36,249
Tell us what kind of
partner you're looking for.

1136
01:23:41,207 --> 01:23:43,374
Someone who attracts me of course!

1137
01:23:47,082 --> 01:23:49,749
What about you?

1138
01:23:51,416 --> 01:23:53,124
Can't you say something?

1139
01:24:03,207 --> 01:24:08,082
I often advice you not to get married.

1140
01:24:10,374 --> 01:24:14,749
The main reason is
that you are getting old.

1141
01:24:18,666 --> 01:24:20,892
If you were to go by the usual expectation

1142
01:24:20,916 --> 01:24:23,142
where one gets married and has children,
I think you're too old.

1143
01:24:23,166 --> 01:24:25,416
If you don't want kids, it doesn't matter.

1144
01:24:25,999 --> 01:24:27,291
Will you get married?

1145
01:24:28,499 --> 01:24:29,850
I don't know.

1146
01:24:29,874 --> 01:24:31,249
Do you want to get married?

1147
01:24:31,541 --> 01:24:35,624
Not at the moment.
Maybe when the time comes.

1148
01:24:36,707 --> 01:24:40,600
It's about time you decided.

1149
01:24:40,624 --> 01:24:43,082
You are already past forty.

1150
01:24:44,124 --> 01:24:45,225
Actually, it doesn't matter.

1151
01:24:45,249 --> 01:24:46,249
That's right.

1152
01:24:48,499 --> 01:24:54,499
I can get married the day before I die.

1153
01:24:56,041 --> 01:24:58,499
As long as the other party is willing.

1154
01:24:58,832 --> 01:25:01,433
Why should someone marry
you right before you die?

1155
01:25:01,457 --> 01:25:04,082
Because she can inherit my possessions!

1156
01:25:04,666 --> 01:25:05,666
I see...

1157
01:25:10,957 --> 01:25:11,957
Alright.

1158
01:25:21,666 --> 01:25:23,207
What else?

1159
01:25:40,374 --> 01:25:42,249
We haven't said much.

1160
01:25:46,374 --> 01:25:50,791
Xiaokang, Tsai said he won't
be making films anymore.

1161
01:25:51,166 --> 01:25:53,041
How do you feel about that?

1162
01:25:53,624 --> 01:25:56,124
I will continue making films on his behalf.

1163
01:25:59,416 --> 01:26:01,808
He can tell me what he wants to make.

1164
01:26:01,832 --> 01:26:03,100
But it will frustrate me.

1165
01:26:03,124 --> 01:26:06,166
If I do that, he will want
to be involved as well.

1166
01:26:07,541 --> 01:26:09,749
That's right, I will worry.

1167
01:26:11,749 --> 01:26:16,499
Don't wait till I get a stroke
and can't say anything.

1168
01:26:17,707 --> 01:26:19,307
You might even recover from your stroke.

1169
01:26:30,707 --> 01:26:35,707
Xiaokang... let me think...

1170
01:26:39,499 --> 01:26:43,499
We don't have to talk
about your performance...

1171
01:27:29,999 --> 01:27:32,416
Xiaokang, how do you
feel about moving here?

1172
01:27:37,416 --> 01:27:43,416
Before, when I was living in Yong He,
I often felt trapped.

1173
01:27:44,832 --> 01:27:48,308
Whenever I got home,
I'd go straight to my room.

1174
01:27:48,332 --> 01:27:52,558
I'll chat with my mom during dinner.

1175
01:27:52,582 --> 01:27:57,874
But I'm usually in my
room, roughly of this size.

1176
01:27:59,124 --> 01:28:01,999
Here, I can go anywhere I want.

1177
01:28:07,749 --> 01:28:09,499
Do you enjoy my cooking?

1178
01:28:10,999 --> 01:28:14,666
It's so-so. There isn't much variety.

1179
01:28:16,332 --> 01:28:19,082
Nothing has dazzled me so far.

1180
01:28:30,041 --> 01:28:33,582
I prefer the feeling of having breakfast.

1181
01:28:34,957 --> 01:28:37,225
Even though it is only toast.

1182
01:28:37,249 --> 01:28:38,850
I suppose it's because
they're not made by me.

1183
01:28:38,874 --> 01:28:40,999
A simple toast with jam.

1184
01:28:41,624 --> 01:28:49,291
I'll eat it in the backyard. It feels good.

1185
01:28:52,791 --> 01:29:00,791
Being with you, I've become careful
when ordering food at the restaurant.

1186
01:29:05,957 --> 01:29:10,249
I make sure I order food
that you like and not too much.

1187
01:29:36,541 --> 01:29:39,874
How do you find the
films we've made together?

1188
01:29:56,166 --> 01:29:57,416
How I find them?

1189
01:29:58,916 --> 01:30:05,624
It's hard to express in words.

1190
01:30:07,832 --> 01:30:15,832
You need to feel it yourself,
using your own life experience.

1191
01:30:17,499 --> 01:30:19,041
Do you like them?

1192
01:30:19,499 --> 01:30:22,392
I do feel something when I watch them.

1193
01:30:22,416 --> 01:30:30,291
But... it's not a
question of liking or not.

1194
01:30:30,874 --> 01:30:34,683
It's a special film viewing experience.

1195
01:30:34,707 --> 01:30:41,374
It often is different from the way I felt
when I was acting.

1196
01:30:46,957 --> 01:30:54,957
It feels more complete and...

1197
01:30:58,624 --> 01:31:01,249
What do you mean by 'complete'?

1198
01:31:01,707 --> 01:31:02,749
I mean...

1199
01:31:05,332 --> 01:31:09,183
I am only aware of my part when I'm acting.

1200
01:31:09,207 --> 01:31:13,600
I am not certain about
what comes before or after.

1201
01:31:13,624 --> 01:31:16,707
Especially since your script is so scant.

1202
01:31:19,707 --> 01:31:23,767
What I mean is, I know my portions well.

1203
01:31:23,791 --> 01:31:27,392
But when the other
elements are cut together

1204
01:31:27,416 --> 01:31:31,957
you can truly feel the impact of the film.

1205
01:31:33,291 --> 01:31:35,558
That's because I never tell you
what I'm trying to express.

1206
01:31:35,582 --> 01:31:38,332
But I think you do know, don't you?

1207
01:31:39,541 --> 01:31:42,642
I'm not sure you do yourself.

1208
01:31:42,666 --> 01:31:46,058
Of course I do! I'm very certain myself.

1209
01:31:46,082 --> 01:31:47,975
- That's for sure.
- Is that so?

1210
01:31:47,999 --> 01:31:53,166
Yes, but how to express
it depends on you guys.

1211
01:31:54,666 --> 01:31:57,058
You know it when you're editing.

1212
01:31:57,082 --> 01:32:01,541
Yes, and even in front of
the monitor during filming.

1213
01:32:02,332 --> 01:32:07,142
Once I see you've given me something good,
I am satisfied.

1214
01:32:07,166 --> 01:32:12,124
Of course, sometimes there are many NGs
when I'm not sure.

1215
01:32:12,541 --> 01:32:16,916
When that happens, I'd usually
settle for something that works.

1216
01:32:17,874 --> 01:32:19,624
But I'd usually end up not using the shot.

1217
01:32:22,124 --> 01:32:28,332
So... how do you see filmmaking?

1218
01:32:29,332 --> 01:32:32,100
You have been in the business for so long.

1219
01:32:32,124 --> 01:32:40,124
It's just a way of life,
a way to make a living.

1220
01:32:45,499 --> 01:32:49,558
What do you think you have expressed?

1221
01:32:49,582 --> 01:32:53,291
What have our films helped you to express?

1222
01:32:54,624 --> 01:32:58,457
Because my films have
basically followed you.

1223
01:33:02,499 --> 01:33:07,291
They've been made
because of your qualities.

1224
01:33:11,082 --> 01:33:12,082
Anything?

1225
01:33:16,957 --> 01:33:20,183
I don't think it helped
me express anything.

1226
01:33:20,207 --> 01:33:27,832
Rather, it has helped
people who are like me

1227
01:33:28,541 --> 01:33:35,541
to express their sense of frustration
with life or their situation.

1228
01:33:35,999 --> 01:33:41,749
Or some other circumstances in their life.

1229
01:33:42,374 --> 01:33:49,332
Life goes on, albeit with
a sense of helplessness.

1230
01:33:50,624 --> 01:33:54,624
How do you think you have done?
Or how have we done?

1231
01:33:56,166 --> 01:33:59,582
Age plays a factor in the process.

1232
01:34:01,374 --> 01:34:05,999
From Rebels of the Neon God
to The River to The Hole.

1233
01:34:07,624 --> 01:34:12,933
Some people say that because
you won an award for Stray Dogs...

1234
01:34:12,957 --> 01:34:18,225
Of course, the film was
directly focused on you.

1235
01:34:18,249 --> 01:34:23,267
And the story was easier to comprehend.

1236
01:34:23,291 --> 01:34:27,308
People accepted it and suddenly felt
you were a great actor.

1237
01:34:27,332 --> 01:34:30,267
But some discerning viewers will say

1238
01:34:30,291 --> 01:34:37,457
that it was not a matter of technique,
but simply of age and experience.

1239
01:34:38,041 --> 01:34:40,683
Not everyone can take on this role.

1240
01:34:40,707 --> 01:34:45,308
Like the scene where you ate a cabbage
or sang the poem.

1241
01:34:45,332 --> 01:34:49,100
Or smoked or drank alcohol.

1242
01:34:49,124 --> 01:34:55,332
I was deeply moved when
I saw it on the monitor.

1243
01:34:55,832 --> 01:34:58,225
The other thing is life experience.

1244
01:34:58,249 --> 01:35:04,332
Do you see your own
transformation since Rebels?

1245
01:35:04,874 --> 01:35:08,725
It's strange for an actor
to see himself on the screen.

1246
01:35:08,749 --> 01:35:12,041
It's not just a single performance,
but an entire journey.

1247
01:35:13,207 --> 01:35:15,142
It may be different from
the way audiences see it.

1248
01:35:15,166 --> 01:35:16,416
How do you see it?

1249
01:35:26,916 --> 01:35:34,832
I guess it's life experience plus my age.

1250
01:35:43,874 --> 01:35:44,916
You are like...

1251
01:35:46,666 --> 01:35:50,558
Like when I give speeches these days,
I don't even prepare.

1252
01:35:50,582 --> 01:35:55,249
Is it the same way you
approach acting these days?

1253
01:35:56,999 --> 01:35:59,975
In my case, because of my experience

1254
01:35:59,999 --> 01:36:07,517
I know what works,
so I can do it on the fly.

1255
01:36:07,541 --> 01:36:10,416
But I'd do it slightly
differently each time.

1256
01:36:10,707 --> 01:36:16,475
Of course, there'll always be
new additions to my experiences.

1257
01:36:16,499 --> 01:36:19,350
New thoughts or feelings.

1258
01:36:19,374 --> 01:36:22,624
Are you an actor like that?

1259
01:36:22,916 --> 01:36:27,642
I'm always searching
for different possibilities.

1260
01:36:27,666 --> 01:36:32,683
I'll try and give you what you want.

1261
01:36:32,707 --> 01:36:39,624
But I'll also try and find
different ways of doing it.

1262
01:36:40,999 --> 01:36:43,332
That's why I'm often surprised by you.

1263
01:36:44,499 --> 01:36:52,499
Like that cabbage scene.
I was deeply moved during filming.

1264
01:36:53,041 --> 01:36:56,433
Because I didn't know how you'd handle it,
I was worried.

1265
01:36:56,457 --> 01:36:58,791
It's a heavy scene.

1266
01:37:00,041 --> 01:37:08,041
If it's too much, it will feel
like a false performance.

1267
01:37:09,999 --> 01:37:13,433
But it does require a
performance of some kind.

1268
01:37:13,457 --> 01:37:19,225
It feels a little like theatre,
because it's set up that way.

1269
01:37:19,249 --> 01:37:22,142
But it's through a lens,
which means it's closer.

1270
01:37:22,166 --> 01:37:24,350
So it's important that it looks realistic.

1271
01:37:24,374 --> 01:37:27,058
That's why I was pleasantly surprised.

1272
01:37:27,082 --> 01:37:30,392
You hit the mark on the
first take and I said OK.

1273
01:37:30,416 --> 01:37:33,249
It's hard to imagine sometimes...

1274
01:37:36,957 --> 01:37:41,975
Like Yang Kuei-mei, when
we were making Face...

1275
01:37:41,999 --> 01:37:43,600
The scene with the fridge.

1276
01:37:43,624 --> 01:37:45,058
She was getting ready on her own.

1277
01:37:45,082 --> 01:37:47,392
I asked if she was ready and she said yes.

1278
01:37:47,416 --> 01:37:48,725
I thought we needed a few takes.

1279
01:37:48,749 --> 01:37:50,975
Because there were
several other actors to coordinate

1280
01:37:50,999 --> 01:37:54,683
like Shiang-chyi and Fanny Ardant.

1281
01:37:54,707 --> 01:38:00,058
But Yang Kuei-mei did it
in one take, just like you.

1282
01:38:00,082 --> 01:38:02,749
Usually you guys can do
the difficult scenes in one take.

1283
01:38:03,916 --> 01:38:07,975
Sometimes I think you guys are amazing.

1284
01:38:07,999 --> 01:38:15,916
How you control the
timing and emotions, etc.

1285
01:38:18,832 --> 01:38:21,249
That's why I can't be an actor,
because I can't do that.

1286
01:38:22,082 --> 01:38:27,933
I think I will be too
aware of the situation.

1287
01:38:27,957 --> 01:38:29,457
How did you enter it?

1288
01:38:31,249 --> 01:38:35,017
I've never asked you this. Tell me.

1289
01:38:35,041 --> 01:38:36,058
How do I enter it?

1290
01:38:36,082 --> 01:38:41,392
Yes, with the cabbage.
How did you enter the situation?

1291
01:38:41,416 --> 01:38:47,308
I told you that it represented a woman
whom you hate.

1292
01:38:47,332 --> 01:38:49,541
Or a woman you used
to love. That's all I said.

1293
01:38:49,999 --> 01:38:52,332
You had to deal with it and eat it.

1294
01:38:54,041 --> 01:38:57,291
I knew it was impossible for you
to finish it in such a short time.

1295
01:39:01,457 --> 01:39:07,100
I think it requires improvisation.

1296
01:39:07,124 --> 01:39:12,791
There is nothing to prepare.

1297
01:39:13,957 --> 01:39:18,183
You can't possibly rehearse that.

1298
01:39:18,207 --> 01:39:20,916
There will be obstacles
when eating that cabbage.

1299
01:39:21,666 --> 01:39:23,791
You may not be able to swallow it, or...

1300
01:39:28,082 --> 01:39:32,832
Anyway, many emotions
began to emerge in that scene.

1301
01:39:34,124 --> 01:39:40,308
I held it inside me until
a certain breaking point.

1302
01:39:40,332 --> 01:39:47,308
Too much thoughts will distract me
from my performance.

1303
01:39:47,332 --> 01:39:48,975
So you were thinking.

1304
01:39:48,999 --> 01:39:54,207
Yes, plus the difficulty
of eating a cabbage itself.

1305
01:39:56,249 --> 01:39:59,041
And you refused to yell cut.

1306
01:40:01,041 --> 01:40:03,249
Sometimes my emotions got cut off.

1307
01:40:03,582 --> 01:40:09,017
But the tension is at
its peak at that point.

1308
01:40:09,041 --> 01:40:11,457
It needed to be released.

1309
01:40:12,207 --> 01:40:14,582
So I just kept going with it.

1310
01:40:20,082 --> 01:40:21,999
Was it over as soon as I yelled cut?

1311
01:40:22,291 --> 01:40:26,666
It subsided after you yelled cut.

1312
01:40:28,957 --> 01:40:31,874
It went away after that.

1313
01:40:32,374 --> 01:40:37,725
At a certain stage,
you can enter and withdraw easily.

1314
01:40:37,749 --> 01:40:41,308
So acting is a little like
being possessed by spirits.

1315
01:40:41,332 --> 01:40:43,475
It feels like that sometimes.

1316
01:40:43,499 --> 01:40:49,100
I feel that your walking is
also like being possessed.

1317
01:40:49,124 --> 01:40:50,059
I feel that way.

1318
01:40:50,083 --> 01:40:56,017
As a director, I look at things
differently than the audience.

1319
01:40:56,041 --> 01:41:00,725
I will gauge your energy level.
You know what I mean?

1320
01:41:00,749 --> 01:41:08,017
I will gauge if you are too tired
from such a long walk.

1321
01:41:08,041 --> 01:41:13,017
Like that staircase you climbed in
Journey to the West.

1322
01:41:13,041 --> 01:41:15,517
I wasn't sure how long you could do it for.

1323
01:41:15,541 --> 01:41:19,017
But what impresses me about you

1324
01:41:19,041 --> 01:41:23,600
is that you'll never stop on your own.

1325
01:41:23,624 --> 01:41:26,767
Unless you meet with a real obstacle
that we can all see.

1326
01:41:26,791 --> 01:41:28,183
Basically you never stopped.

1327
01:41:28,207 --> 01:41:31,475
By the time we did Journey to the West

1328
01:41:31,499 --> 01:41:33,850
I told you that I won't yell 'cut' for NG.

1329
01:41:33,874 --> 01:41:38,058
You should be able to do it in one take.

1330
01:41:38,082 --> 01:41:41,374
I came to that decision after some time.

1331
01:41:41,957 --> 01:41:43,808
I adjusted myself.

1332
01:41:43,832 --> 01:41:45,558
I began to accept everything you gave me.

1333
01:41:45,582 --> 01:41:48,017
Even if there was some minor mistakes.

1334
01:41:48,041 --> 01:41:52,517
Because I can decide to cut out that bit.

1335
01:41:52,541 --> 01:41:55,975
So I still insist that you, as an actor...

1336
01:41:55,999 --> 01:42:00,100
You are different from other actors.

1337
01:42:00,124 --> 01:42:02,457
Because you know...

1338
01:42:03,791 --> 01:42:05,267
I can't speak for other actors.

1339
01:42:05,291 --> 01:42:07,392
Perhaps they have their own way.

1340
01:42:07,416 --> 01:42:12,642
Perhaps they will think
of it as work, or as a task.

1341
01:42:12,666 --> 01:42:14,642
Something they can simply complete
and be done with.

1342
01:42:14,666 --> 01:42:18,291
But not in your case,
because you can't stop.

1343
01:42:20,249 --> 01:42:23,225
It is a situation or a circumstance where

1344
01:42:23,249 --> 01:42:29,124
you can only stop when someone says so.

1345
01:43:07,332 --> 01:43:11,874
I would like to enjoy more

1346
01:43:12,624 --> 01:43:15,541
and do things that make me happy.

1347
01:43:16,916 --> 01:43:19,124
As for you...

1348
01:43:20,416 --> 01:43:24,666
You should rest more
and do the things you enjoy.

1349
01:43:28,457 --> 01:43:31,475
What I mean is, don't
worry about me so much.

1350
01:43:31,499 --> 01:43:33,749
I know my limits.

1351
01:43:34,416 --> 01:43:35,416
Sure.

1352
01:43:36,749 --> 01:43:38,249
But how can I not worry?

1353
01:43:39,707 --> 01:43:41,707
I know my limits too.

1354
01:43:43,082 --> 01:43:44,442
But I will always keep a look out.

1355
01:43:55,374 --> 01:43:58,082
But you still have to let me
know if anything happens.

1356
01:43:59,041 --> 01:44:00,892
Like what I told Lee Yi-cheng.

1357
01:44:00,916 --> 01:44:02,642
I told him that no matter
what happens in school,

1358
01:44:02,666 --> 01:44:05,850
no matter how serious it is,

1359
01:44:05,874 --> 01:44:09,600
he has to tell me in the end.

1360
01:44:09,624 --> 01:44:16,332
It will put my mind at ease
that I can give you my advice.

1361
01:44:23,291 --> 01:44:25,624
Like the way I tell you about my problems.

1362
01:44:37,207 --> 01:44:39,207
I can't be like that with my own family.

1363
01:44:40,499 --> 01:44:43,999
Actually...

1364
01:44:45,916 --> 01:44:49,791
Lately, I feel that I am getting old.

1365
01:44:50,541 --> 01:44:58,541
I am less passionate about certain things.

1366
01:45:01,457 --> 01:45:05,207
Less enthusiastic.

1367
01:45:05,457 --> 01:45:11,624
I'm also not concerned about
my romantic life anymore.

1368
01:45:12,207 --> 01:45:14,457
One of my younger sisters
has become a Buddhist nun.

1369
01:45:16,582 --> 01:45:22,041
I may not become a
monk, but I think that's life...

1370
01:45:22,791 --> 01:45:27,582
Your don't need another person.

1371
01:45:28,707 --> 01:45:29,707
You know?

1372
01:45:29,957 --> 01:45:31,642
You still need someone.

1373
01:45:31,666 --> 01:45:33,517
No, I disagree.

1374
01:45:33,541 --> 01:45:39,183
Look at Xuanzang. That's
the concept I believe in.

1375
01:45:39,207 --> 01:45:42,291
A lone person wandering
through life, facing a desert.

1376
01:45:43,082 --> 01:45:45,100
There's nothing wrong with him.

1377
01:45:45,124 --> 01:45:49,433
He had the Buddha in his mind.

1378
01:45:49,457 --> 01:45:56,433
Of course, it's always
good to have someone.

1379
01:45:56,457 --> 01:46:00,291
But I think... what I have
with you counts as well.

1380
01:46:01,416 --> 01:46:03,124
We are together in a way.

1381
01:46:04,332 --> 01:46:06,791
And I accept your
relationships too, don't I?

1382
01:46:07,291 --> 01:46:11,100
I accept that you're with Shuping.

1383
01:46:11,124 --> 01:46:12,884
Or anyone else you've
been with in the past.

1384
01:46:13,582 --> 01:46:15,100
Do you remember sometimes...

1385
01:46:15,124 --> 01:46:18,624
Like that day when I laid on your bed

1386
01:46:19,041 --> 01:46:21,850
and you said Shuping is a neat freak.

1387
01:46:21,874 --> 01:46:28,267
I got up immediately, but I
sensed she wasn't happy.

1388
01:46:28,291 --> 01:46:32,124
I felt that way for a few days afterwards.

1389
01:46:32,499 --> 01:46:34,100
But I accept that.

1390
01:46:34,124 --> 01:46:35,999
I won't criticize her or anything.

1391
01:46:36,832 --> 01:46:37,809
You know what I mean?

1392
01:46:37,833 --> 01:46:42,999
Everyone has his or her own habits.

1393
01:46:43,624 --> 01:46:44,624
It's her own space.

1394
01:46:45,457 --> 01:46:50,017
When she's not around and
you let me lie down, I was happy.

1395
01:46:50,041 --> 01:46:54,999
I know that you understand
that we're not like that.

1396
01:46:56,749 --> 01:47:00,832
So I am very accepting.

1397
01:47:09,041 --> 01:47:12,207
For example,
I can't stand how talkative your mother is.

1398
01:47:13,624 --> 01:47:16,541
But I still see her as my elder.

1399
01:47:17,791 --> 01:47:19,999
As long as she doesn't bother me,
or I can walk away.

1400
01:47:20,374 --> 01:47:22,749
Sometimes I'd tell her to keep it down.

1401
01:47:23,416 --> 01:47:28,683
It's good that we are not that close.
It reduces friction.

1402
01:47:28,707 --> 01:47:30,267
I'd never argue with her.

1403
01:47:30,291 --> 01:47:32,517
You know the way I am.

1404
01:47:32,541 --> 01:47:35,832
I get over arguments easily.

1405
01:47:36,457 --> 01:47:38,850
I understand your mother too,
so there's no problem.

1406
01:47:38,874 --> 01:47:40,683
You just have to let her know.

1407
01:47:40,707 --> 01:47:42,999
This is how we get along.

1408
01:47:51,957 --> 01:47:54,058
But I'm very satisfied with my life now.

1409
01:47:54,082 --> 01:47:58,749
The circumstance we are in now.

1410
01:48:03,166 --> 01:48:06,600
Look at how simple our stage play is.

1411
01:48:06,624 --> 01:48:11,457
I don't think someone else
would dare to attempt that.

1412
01:48:12,874 --> 01:48:15,499
But we did, and we did it happily.

1413
01:48:16,082 --> 01:48:19,791
Almost without constraint,
with absolute freedom.

1414
01:48:21,041 --> 01:48:24,225
A stage play with a large sheet of paper.

1415
01:48:24,249 --> 01:48:27,082
You're the only actor
and there is no dialogue.

1416
01:48:28,457 --> 01:48:29,975
Just you walking, sleeping.

1417
01:48:29,999 --> 01:48:31,808
I did chant the Heart Sutra.

1418
01:48:31,832 --> 01:48:36,124
Right. I am happy when
you chant the Heart Sutra.

1419
01:48:47,749 --> 01:48:49,874
Do you go vegetarian when you perform?

1420
01:48:52,457 --> 01:48:53,892
For that scene.

1421
01:48:53,916 --> 01:48:57,624
I just eat bread.

1422
01:49:00,374 --> 01:49:03,874
In Europe, I can only eat salad.

1423
01:49:05,124 --> 01:49:08,291
Or bread with jam.

1424
01:49:10,374 --> 01:49:15,183
Besides, I have to eat
pastry and dates in the play.

1425
01:49:15,207 --> 01:49:16,957
That's right, so you can't eat too much.

1426
01:49:59,291 --> 01:50:03,707
Which is your favorite country?
We've been to so many.

1427
01:50:14,249 --> 01:50:16,058
Thailand, I suppose.

1428
01:50:16,082 --> 01:50:19,416
Why?

1429
01:50:20,374 --> 01:50:23,457
Because it's more affordable.

1430
01:50:24,207 --> 01:50:25,957
You mean the food?

1431
01:50:26,249 --> 01:50:31,332
Yes, and I can spend freely.

1432
01:50:32,291 --> 01:50:33,457
It hurts less.

1433
01:50:34,332 --> 01:50:39,249
But otherwise, I like
the European countries.

1434
01:50:42,291 --> 01:50:44,124
Where? Which one?

1435
01:50:44,874 --> 01:50:47,207
Which one...

1436
01:50:49,124 --> 01:50:51,666
There are many great places in Europe.

1437
01:50:51,957 --> 01:50:53,624
For example? Do you remember any?

1438
01:50:54,582 --> 01:50:55,767
Where have we been?

1439
01:50:55,791 --> 01:51:00,767
Venice, for instance. But
Europe is too expensive.

1440
01:51:00,791 --> 01:51:04,457
We've been to Venice too many times.
Where else?

1441
01:51:05,249 --> 01:51:09,499
I've been to this
place... can't remember...

1442
01:51:13,541 --> 01:51:15,433
The place with the amazing caves.

1443
01:51:15,457 --> 01:51:17,249
What is it called?

1444
01:51:19,582 --> 01:51:23,499
Slovenia... Slovenia.

1445
01:51:24,666 --> 01:51:26,249
The cave was wonderful.

1446
01:51:27,624 --> 01:51:28,624
Where else?

1447
01:51:37,207 --> 01:51:39,082
I find Dubai rather dull.

1448
01:51:40,749 --> 01:51:41,726
But I...

1449
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:43,666
Turkey is not bad.

1450
01:51:46,207 --> 01:51:50,225
Dubai is... other than the boring market...

1451
01:51:50,249 --> 01:51:51,600
It is still pretty unique.

1452
01:51:51,624 --> 01:51:53,541
Yes, it was quite fun.

1453
01:51:56,707 --> 01:52:03,308
It felt different to be
in a place like Dubai.

1454
01:52:03,332 --> 01:52:08,999
It may be dull, but look
how fast their taxis go.

1455
01:52:12,457 --> 01:52:14,808
And all those pretentious looking hotels.

1456
01:52:14,832 --> 01:52:20,624
We visited those places on a boat.

1457
01:52:21,499 --> 01:52:22,707
They are all artificial.

1458
01:52:24,457 --> 01:52:26,350
What about Spain?

1459
01:52:26,374 --> 01:52:29,017
Spain and Portugal were great.

1460
01:52:29,041 --> 01:52:30,666
We had fish every day.

1461
01:52:31,832 --> 01:52:33,100
What else...

1462
01:52:33,124 --> 01:52:34,124
What fish?

1463
01:52:34,666 --> 01:52:38,916
We had it every day, with Maria.

1464
01:52:40,207 --> 01:52:41,350
You were there, weren't you?

1465
01:52:41,374 --> 01:52:49,225
Yes, we had fish and shrimp. Seafood.

1466
01:52:49,249 --> 01:52:51,124
You liked Argentina too.

1467
01:52:52,332 --> 01:52:54,124
Argentina was alright.

1468
01:52:54,707 --> 01:52:56,457
You had Mate tea.

1469
01:53:04,582 --> 01:53:06,707
You've been to Australia too.

1470
01:53:07,166 --> 01:53:09,058
One time.

1471
01:53:09,082 --> 01:53:13,041
Sydney, wasn't it? A few years ago.

1472
01:53:18,957 --> 01:53:21,874
Where else was fun?

1473
01:53:31,166 --> 01:53:32,350
Israel.

1474
01:53:32,374 --> 01:53:34,457
Yes, Israel was great.

1475
01:53:36,707 --> 01:53:40,957
You remember the sound of the plane?
At the Black Sea.

1476
01:53:41,416 --> 01:53:42,832
Dead Sea.

1477
01:53:43,457 --> 01:53:44,666
Floating in the water.

1478
01:53:50,916 --> 01:53:52,666
You've been to Estonia, haven't you?

1479
01:54:04,499 --> 01:54:05,832
Japan was fun too.

1480
01:54:06,749 --> 01:54:08,725
Of course. And Korea.

1481
01:54:08,749 --> 01:54:12,832
Did you go to Jeju? Jeju Island?

1482
01:54:13,249 --> 01:54:16,666
Yes, for the Asian Pacific Film Festival.

1483
01:54:19,249 --> 01:54:20,957
I remember Jeju Island clearly.

1484
01:54:21,582 --> 01:54:24,933
It was my first time in a strange country.

1485
01:54:24,957 --> 01:54:26,582
No one spoke Chinese.

1486
01:54:27,124 --> 01:54:28,350
There were Chinese!

1487
01:54:28,374 --> 01:54:33,082
I couldn't understand
those circles and squares.

1488
01:54:48,874 --> 01:54:50,725
I remember something very clearly.

1489
01:54:50,749 --> 01:54:58,749
One time we landed at
the wrong airport in Nantes.

1490
01:55:02,874 --> 01:55:06,666
Our driver drove for two
hours in the dense fog.

1491
01:55:07,416 --> 01:55:09,291
And he didn't talk to us at all.

1492
01:55:09,999 --> 01:55:11,957
We didn't know where he was taking us.

1493
01:55:12,457 --> 01:55:14,957
We kept chattering in the back seat.

1494
01:55:15,874 --> 01:55:19,600
Wondering where we were
or where we were going.

1495
01:55:19,624 --> 01:55:22,017
Later we realized
the plane had landed at the wrong airport.

1496
01:55:22,041 --> 01:55:24,332
They sent a taxi to pick us up.

1497
01:55:26,624 --> 01:55:27,707
Strange...

1498
01:56:01,166 --> 01:56:03,832
I really don't know what
film we should make next.

1499
01:56:06,249 --> 01:56:07,433
I don't think there's any left.

1500
01:56:07,457 --> 01:56:08,666
Short films perhaps.

1501
01:56:10,499 --> 01:56:12,666
Didn't you want to paint?

1502
01:56:14,249 --> 01:56:18,541
I feel that there's no
need to finish everything.

1503
01:56:19,291 --> 01:56:20,371
Time is running out anyway.

1504
01:56:21,874 --> 01:56:24,957
My paintings may become expensive
because there are few.

1505
01:56:27,291 --> 01:56:29,142
I can sell them and leave you the money.

1506
01:56:29,166 --> 01:56:32,082
You even wanted to have a painting studio.

1507
01:56:34,916 --> 01:56:37,832
Why give them to me? I can't sell them.

1508
01:56:38,291 --> 01:56:39,291
You can sell them.

1509
01:56:47,957 --> 01:56:52,416
I don't need the money,
unless someone offers billions.

1510
01:56:53,082 --> 01:56:54,267
Billions?

1511
01:56:54,291 --> 01:56:55,392
I'll wait till it reaches that value.

1512
01:56:55,416 --> 01:56:56,351
That's impossible.

1513
01:56:56,375 --> 01:56:58,124
That's why I won't sell them!

1514
01:57:00,499 --> 01:57:02,100
How can my paintings
possibly be worth that much?

1515
01:57:02,124 --> 01:57:04,267
It's meaningless to sell them for less.

1516
01:57:04,291 --> 01:57:06,749
That's true.

1517
01:57:09,541 --> 01:57:15,225
It may be worth more
during Lee Yi-cheng's time.

1518
01:57:15,249 --> 01:57:16,457
But not billions.

1519
01:57:20,707 --> 01:57:22,457
I'm satisfied with what I have.

1520
01:57:25,291 --> 01:57:27,166
I'm happier this way.

1521
01:57:35,291 --> 01:57:41,374
Even billionaires may not really be happy.

1522
01:57:41,666 --> 01:57:43,666
Why aren't they happy?

1523
01:57:43,916 --> 01:57:48,374
Because they will always want more.

1524
01:57:48,791 --> 01:57:50,582
Billions turn into hundreds of billions.

1525
01:57:54,124 --> 01:57:58,416
Terry Gou is so old, yet
he's still working so hard.

1526
01:58:03,624 --> 01:58:06,374
Even Shi Zhengrong has returned to Acer.

1527
01:58:08,124 --> 01:58:09,850
He had retired earlier.

1528
01:58:09,874 --> 01:58:10,874
Is he old?

1529
01:58:11,416 --> 01:58:12,957
More than seventy years old.

1530
01:58:14,124 --> 01:58:15,124
That's his life.

1531
01:58:21,457 --> 01:58:25,058
I guess we are well
suited for retired life.

1532
01:58:25,082 --> 01:58:26,416
I've retired long ago.

1533
01:58:27,082 --> 01:58:32,558
I am retiring soon too. What bliss.

1534
01:58:32,582 --> 01:58:37,291
Filming is only an interest for me now.

1535
01:58:39,832 --> 01:58:42,957
You may be the strangest actor ever.

1536
01:58:46,499 --> 01:58:48,999
No one is sure if you're
acting or not acting.

1537
01:59:07,124 --> 01:59:09,124
No one else is like me.

1538
01:59:11,874 --> 01:59:14,791
Spending time with my dogs and my crops.

1539
01:59:15,791 --> 01:59:17,791
Sometimes I have to deal with dog poo.

1540
01:59:19,291 --> 01:59:25,207
I don't think there's another
director like me who cooks

1541
01:59:26,041 --> 01:59:30,850
and prepares ingredients
for the café at Zhongshan Hall.

1542
01:59:30,874 --> 01:59:35,624
I even baked cookies and
prepared set meals in the past.

1543
01:59:36,624 --> 01:59:39,100
Which director does as much as me?

1544
01:59:39,124 --> 01:59:40,874
It has nothing to do with filmmaking.

1545
01:59:41,707 --> 01:59:42,916
It's about making a living.

1546
01:59:45,541 --> 01:59:48,416
That's why I want to
stop. My health is suffering.

1547
01:59:52,457 --> 01:59:55,874
No other director has to
sell tickets to his own film.

1548
01:59:56,749 --> 02:00:02,082
Even you guys have to go out
and sell tickets on the street.

1549
02:00:04,832 --> 02:00:06,707
That's why people are afraid to see us.

1550
02:00:08,082 --> 02:00:10,957
They are not afraid. They respect us.

1551
02:00:12,416 --> 02:00:15,308
Some of them are afraid. They avoid me.

1552
02:00:15,332 --> 02:00:17,541
You mean they're afraid
you'll make them buy tickets?

1553
02:00:18,832 --> 02:00:24,499
They are afraid I'll
ask them to buy in bulk.

1554
02:00:24,791 --> 02:00:30,124
No other director or actor
in the world will go around

1555
02:00:31,916 --> 02:00:37,041
giving more than two hundred
talks in under two months

1556
02:00:37,499 --> 02:00:41,166
just to sell ten thousand movie tickets.

1557
02:00:43,207 --> 02:00:44,184
How miserable!

1558
02:00:44,208 --> 02:00:51,308
The director of that music video
said he attended our talk before.

1559
02:00:51,332 --> 02:00:52,332
Really?

1560
02:00:52,582 --> 02:00:55,017
He was applying for a Masters program

1561
02:00:55,041 --> 02:00:57,517
and was afraid he won't be admitted.

1562
02:00:57,541 --> 02:01:00,850
He asked me to write him a testimonial.

1563
02:01:00,874 --> 02:01:04,475
I told him he'll definitely get in!

1564
02:01:04,499 --> 02:01:05,558
Did he get in?

1565
02:01:05,582 --> 02:01:07,225
Yes he did.

1566
02:01:07,249 --> 02:01:09,267
So now he wants you to be in a music video?

1567
02:01:09,291 --> 02:01:10,291
That's right.

1568
02:01:11,832 --> 02:01:16,767
So you see, these people
who came to our talks

1569
02:01:16,791 --> 02:01:19,707
or bought tickets from us in the street...

1570
02:01:21,166 --> 02:01:28,166
It's a strange experience.

1571
02:01:30,957 --> 02:01:32,207
Strange...

1572
02:01:33,874 --> 02:01:36,582
They are like seeds we planted

1573
02:01:37,791 --> 02:01:41,666
that later bloom and bear fruits.

1574
02:01:59,582 --> 02:02:04,975
If I die, you must continue
to chant scriptures.

1575
02:02:04,999 --> 02:02:09,332
That's all I ask for.

1576
02:02:10,374 --> 02:02:11,874
Because they work.

1577
02:02:13,249 --> 02:02:14,791
I'll chant for you.

1578
02:02:15,707 --> 02:02:19,267
It's not for me. You must read the text.

1579
02:02:19,291 --> 02:02:21,041
You must try and understand its meaning.

1580
02:02:23,249 --> 02:02:28,058
You will understand
a lot of things in life.

1581
02:02:28,082 --> 02:02:34,124
Then you will know how
to deal with sufferings in life.

1582
02:02:34,791 --> 02:02:37,642
- The scripture will help you see things more clearly.
- I will.

1583
02:02:37,666 --> 02:02:39,808
Then you will feel free.

1584
02:02:39,832 --> 02:02:43,207
You will be less troubled.

1585
02:02:44,707 --> 02:02:46,558
I've always been like that.

1586
02:02:46,582 --> 02:02:54,350
Yes, but you still need it.
Think about the strange coincidences.

1587
02:02:54,374 --> 02:03:00,808
Do you remember
when we first chanted the Heart Sutra?

1588
02:03:00,832 --> 02:03:01,957
Do you?

1589
02:03:04,707 --> 02:03:09,332
It was when Tian Shi"s mother passed away.

1590
02:03:10,874 --> 02:03:17,017
It was the first time I saw
you chanting so devotedly.

1591
02:03:17,041 --> 02:03:25,041
Heart Sutra was also
part of your performance in Only You.

1592
02:03:25,541 --> 02:03:28,124
We even made it into a CD.

1593
02:03:30,332 --> 02:03:33,017
I think it's destiny.

1594
02:03:33,041 --> 02:03:37,017
And now you know it by heart.

1595
02:03:37,041 --> 02:03:42,100
I also used it in My Stinking Kid.

1596
02:03:42,124 --> 02:03:45,916
It was used very well
and even won an award.

1597
02:03:48,207 --> 02:03:52,642
So you see, it seems to have
been destined... I don't know...

1598
02:03:52,666 --> 02:03:57,332
I think you have... what do you call it?

1599
02:04:00,666 --> 02:04:02,541
The roots of wisdom.

1600
02:04:03,582 --> 02:04:07,267
It seems that when the right
conditions arise, you'll get it.

1601
02:04:07,291 --> 02:04:08,517
It's always like that.

1602
02:04:08,541 --> 02:04:10,666
My younger brothers wouldn't even bother.

1603
02:04:11,624 --> 02:04:13,874
They went to see my sister,
who had become a nun.

1604
02:04:14,791 --> 02:04:17,017
They finally went to the temple.

1605
02:04:17,041 --> 02:04:18,475
But they kept complaining afterwards.

1606
02:04:18,499 --> 02:04:20,350
Saying that it's boring and
that they'll never go again.

1607
02:04:20,374 --> 02:04:22,082
I told them off.

1608
02:04:24,749 --> 02:04:28,933
They are unable to accept such things.

1609
02:04:28,957 --> 02:04:32,183
But we are not like that.

1610
02:04:32,207 --> 02:04:36,975
We are more open and accepting of things,
good or bad.

1611
02:04:36,999 --> 02:04:42,808
When ticket sales was poor,
we went out to sell tickets.

1612
02:04:42,832 --> 02:04:50,017
How torturous was that experience.

1613
02:04:50,041 --> 02:04:52,100
We met positive and negative response.

1614
02:04:52,124 --> 02:04:54,225
Some people bought tickets.

1615
02:04:54,249 --> 02:04:58,142
We give a talk to say 300
and a hundred bought tickets.

1616
02:04:58,166 --> 02:05:01,058
They'd line up for our
autograph or a photo taken.

1617
02:05:01,082 --> 02:05:03,142
You were there too.

1618
02:05:03,166 --> 02:05:07,957
Some people would
criticize you or reject you.

1619
02:05:09,416 --> 02:05:14,874
Before my mother passed away,
I was selling tickets for Help Me Eros.

1620
02:05:16,624 --> 02:05:20,767
I got a call from the hospital
saying she won't make it.

1621
02:05:20,791 --> 02:05:23,642
I rushed back from Kaohsiung.

1622
02:05:23,666 --> 02:05:26,707
I was mad about that last
ticket I was trying to sell.

1623
02:05:27,499 --> 02:05:32,582
That person had the cheek to ask
if he can buy one ticket for two.

1624
02:05:33,291 --> 02:05:39,791
It's like the work of a missionary.

1625
02:05:41,291 --> 02:05:42,416
Or an ascetic.

1626
02:05:43,666 --> 02:05:47,225
Not an ascetic. A preacher.

1627
02:05:47,249 --> 02:05:49,957
Yes, I think so too.

1628
02:05:51,624 --> 02:05:53,558
That's what we've been doing.

1629
02:05:53,582 --> 02:05:57,791
People like your brother
will never accept your films.

1630
02:05:58,082 --> 02:06:05,350
They reject anything that's different.

1631
02:06:05,374 --> 02:06:07,267
He needs to find a different way.

1632
02:06:07,291 --> 02:06:09,225
He doesn't have to accept my films.

1633
02:06:09,249 --> 02:06:11,957
I'd rather he accept
a sutra or a scripture.

1634
02:06:14,707 --> 02:06:20,749
They need something to
help them understand life.

1635
02:06:22,749 --> 02:06:27,374
That's why I want you to
continue chanting scripture.

1636
02:06:28,332 --> 02:06:32,374
Because everyone has blind spots
and things they can't let go of.

1637
02:06:33,041 --> 02:06:34,933
I don't wish for you to be like that.

1638
02:06:34,957 --> 02:06:42,017
Having or not having is not important.

1639
02:06:42,041 --> 02:06:45,666
Life is like that. It's good enough.

1640
02:06:58,041 --> 02:07:02,350
Think about it. It really is enough.

1641
02:07:02,374 --> 02:07:05,832
I think we can quit at any time.

1642
02:07:07,666 --> 02:07:09,350
It really is enough.

1643
02:07:09,374 --> 02:07:13,041
Stray Dogs is going to the art museum.

1644
02:07:13,457 --> 02:07:14,957
Aren't you proud?

1645
02:07:15,374 --> 02:07:17,433
I know. It's enough.

1646
02:07:17,457 --> 02:07:22,267
It doesn't matter what comes out of it.

1647
02:07:22,291 --> 02:07:26,749
Someone out there
is always responding to our work.

1648
02:07:27,624 --> 02:07:29,541
I'm thankful for these people.

1649
02:07:30,416 --> 02:07:33,225
I'm also thankful to
Shiang-chyi, Lu Yi-ching,

1650
02:07:33,249 --> 02:07:34,767
Yang Kuei-mei and Liao Penjung.

1651
02:07:34,791 --> 02:07:37,916
They have been with us all this while.

1652
02:07:38,457 --> 02:07:39,434
You know what I mean?

1653
02:07:39,458 --> 02:07:42,291
They will always come when we need them.

1654
02:07:47,416 --> 02:07:54,392
Including those overseas like Vincent Wang.

1655
02:07:54,416 --> 02:07:57,582
They've been with us
for more than ten years.

1656
02:08:05,457 --> 02:08:06,624
Alright...

1657
02:08:15,332 --> 02:08:17,725
Look at this house. It belongs to us now.

1658
02:08:17,749 --> 02:08:21,874
But it is only temporary.

1659
02:08:23,624 --> 02:08:24,476
That's right.

1660
02:08:24,500 --> 02:08:27,957
It belonged to someone else,
but now it's abandoned.

1661
02:08:30,166 --> 02:08:33,041
You must understand
that nothing is permanent.

1662
02:08:34,124 --> 02:08:37,082
Our relationship is also not permanent.

1663
02:08:37,541 --> 02:08:40,791
It's a beautiful impermanent relationship.

1664
02:08:42,082 --> 02:08:44,975
And it's for so long. It's wonderful!

1665
02:08:44,999 --> 02:08:50,124
I wish it can be longer,
so I hope to meet you in my next life.

1666
02:09:00,082 --> 02:09:02,624
I'll be the director
and you'll be the actor in our next lives.

1667
02:09:04,207 --> 02:09:06,541
Let's not be in this line anymore.

1668
02:09:09,707 --> 02:09:13,207
But OK. Do you need me to bare my body?

1669
02:09:22,499 --> 02:09:23,499
It's enough.

1670
02:09:24,249 --> 02:09:29,791
Let's wait for the light to disappear.

1671
02:09:31,666 --> 02:09:32,874
The next life...

1672
02:09:38,082 --> 02:09:40,350
That's why I like ruins.

1673
02:09:40,374 --> 02:09:48,374
Like I said, this world is an illusion.

1674
02:09:52,916 --> 02:09:54,332
Everything is an illusion.

1675
02:09:56,916 --> 02:09:58,683
What has it got to do with that?

1676
02:09:58,707 --> 02:10:01,017
Ruins are the most real.

1677
02:10:01,041 --> 02:10:03,791
Everything falls into
ruins one day. People too.

1678
02:10:04,832 --> 02:10:07,207
Like how we used to have great skin.

1679
02:10:08,582 --> 02:10:10,332
From ruins comes...

1680
02:10:11,541 --> 02:10:14,916
From ruins comes birth,
and from birth comes death.

1681
02:10:17,582 --> 02:10:20,916
I love ruins. Our films are all ruins.

1682
02:10:42,082 --> 02:10:46,975
It will look better with makeup.

1683
02:10:46,999 --> 02:10:51,166
You mean this house? It's beautiful!

1684
02:10:52,207 --> 02:10:53,607
It's beautiful in an abandoned way.

1685
02:10:56,249 --> 02:11:00,416
A house is beautiful
because of its surroundings.

1686
02:11:00,749 --> 02:11:01,749
Right?

1687
02:11:02,499 --> 02:11:07,832
If you take care of it,
a simple house can be beautiful.

1688
02:11:08,499 --> 02:11:11,291
Likewise, an expensive
house can be ugly too.

1689
02:11:13,249 --> 02:11:14,374
Depends how you use it.

1690
02:11:19,416 --> 02:11:21,166
So what is beauty and ugliness?

1691
02:11:25,499 --> 02:11:29,791
There are internet users in China
who call you a potato farmer.

1692
02:11:30,624 --> 02:11:32,850
A farmer who grows sweet potato.

1693
02:11:32,874 --> 02:11:33,809
Sweet potato?

1694
02:11:33,833 --> 02:11:36,267
They say you ugly, like a farmer.

1695
02:11:36,291 --> 02:11:41,999
But why are farmers necessarily ugly?

1696
02:11:42,374 --> 02:11:45,041
It's a question of stereotype.

1697
02:11:47,707 --> 02:11:54,332
I don't know how their value
system became like that.

1698
02:11:57,749 --> 02:12:03,541
To me, most people are beautiful.

1699
02:12:05,374 --> 02:12:06,934
Everyone is beautiful in their own way.

1700
02:12:08,791 --> 02:12:11,041
That's what our films are about.

1701
02:12:24,874 --> 02:12:27,874
Do you think these plants understand us?

1702
02:12:28,999 --> 02:12:31,166
They seem to be observing us.

1703
02:12:47,207 --> 02:12:48,457
Is your neck better?

1704
02:12:50,124 --> 02:12:50,934
My neck...

1705
02:12:50,958 --> 02:12:52,666
It looks a lot better.

1706
02:12:54,082 --> 02:12:56,166
As long as I stay relaxed.

1707
02:13:01,957 --> 02:13:04,249
Do you still watch TV in bed?

1708
02:13:04,791 --> 02:13:05,684
Rarely.

1709
02:13:05,708 --> 02:13:08,166
It's the worst habit. I
am feeling it myself.

1710
02:13:08,832 --> 02:13:10,475
You should stop watching TV in bed.

1711
02:13:10,499 --> 02:13:13,832
Yes, I need to change my position.

1712
02:13:16,541 --> 02:13:22,332
You talk on the phone
in bed too. That's bad.

1713
02:14:02,124 --> 02:14:05,291
When I finish all my projects,
my cooking will improve.

1714
02:14:07,374 --> 02:14:08,374
You hear me?

1715
02:14:09,291 --> 02:14:11,791
I'm too busy now to cook properly.

1716
02:14:15,791 --> 02:14:16,832
Alright.

1717
02:14:18,541 --> 02:14:19,541
Let's go.

1718
02:14:19,624 --> 02:14:20,624
Look.

1719
02:14:31,749 --> 02:14:33,392
How beautiful...

1720
02:14:33,416 --> 02:14:35,499
Look out for that pen.

1721
02:14:47,707 --> 02:14:49,307
I don't know what I was talking about...