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UNIT III BEAUFORD H- JESTER, TEXAS

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MANAGEMENT BY CAROL VANCE

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Hello, mom.

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How glad I am to see you.

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DALE SIGLER HAS NEVER DENIED
THE MURDER OF JOHN ZELTNER IN 1990

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EVEN SO, EVEN THOUGH THEY SENTENCED HIM TO DEATH,

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AFTER MORE THAN 10,000 NIGHTS IN JAIL,
WAS RELEASED

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- I love you.
- And I you.

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Let's get out of here.

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Come on.

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Cross the prison doors

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It's overwhelming.

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When you dream for so long about something

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and in the end it comes true,

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You think, "Is this real?"

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I'm shaking.

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- Yeah?
- Yes, I'll start.

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- You... Now.
- The blow of reality.

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30 years ago, when they locked me up,

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George W. Bush
He was the president of the United States.

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The Cold War had just ended.

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There was no Internet.

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No cell phones.

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I've been away for so long

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and society has evolved so much

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that...

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I can't even imagine

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the things I'm going to live.

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It will be amazing.

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I am amazed by everything around me.

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Joy and happiness
to be able to pick up a cell phone

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and put on real clothes.

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I never dreamed

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with what they would release me

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after 30 years.

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AN ORIGINAL NETFLIX SERIES

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Is it open?

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- Locked?
- No, we have to open.

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Ready?

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- Yes, ready.
- There we go.

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DALE IS IN A SUPERVISION PROGRAM
SUPERINTENSIVE OF CONDITIONAL FREEDOM

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RESERVED FOR CRIMINALS
MOST DANGEROUS IN TEXAS

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Okay.

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Do you want to leave your books here,

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Do you want to take them to your room or...?

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Yes, I'm going to take them to the room.

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- In your room? Okay.
- Yes.

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HE WILL STAY AT CAROLE'S HOUSE
THE NEXT 12 MONTHS

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IT WILL CARRY A GPS LOCATOR
AND HE CAN'T LEAVE THE HOUSE

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WITHOUT PRIOR PERMISSION
FROM YOUR PROBATION AGENT

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let me go behind,
I want you to come in first.

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YOU CAN GO BACK TO JAIL
FOR ANY BREACH OF THE CONDITION

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Wow!

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Yes.

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- It's an air mattress.
- Yeah, I'll be careful.

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I weigh 120 kilos, I might explode.

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- I hope not.
- Me too.

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My mother got angry
for bursting his waterbed.

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The only thing... I don't want you to be uncomfortable.

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- Air-conditioning.
- Yes.

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- The little things...
- Yes.

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that there is not in prison.

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We will be friends.

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Do you like the room

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- or not?
- I love it. Yes.

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- I was going to say...
- Yes!

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Come on, compared to a cubicle...

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- Yeah.
- Come on now.

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-My cubicle was...
- Hey.

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- I know.
- Over here.

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- That's how big it was.
- That's all?

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So far. I lived in this space

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for 30 years.

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- It's beautiful.
- Good.

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Thanks for all your effort.

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You're welcome, honey.

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Dear Father, thank you for this meal.

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It's our first meal together.

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Bless the food
and we thank you for everything

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in the name of Jesus. Amen.

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Amen.

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Okay, ready?

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- Yes.
- Don't cut yourself.

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Eat with your hands.

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- Well, except for that.
- Yes.

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How is it?

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- Great.
- Okay, good.

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TRUE? It's great.

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I love it.

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Actually, it's more than I need

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and what I can eat,

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- and it's not just a piece and...
- Yeah.

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You don't have a schedule,

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- but...
- "Up."

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- Do they do that?
- Fifteen minutes to eat and...

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After five or six minutes

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They say, "Up. Time to go."

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- Oh really?
- There are so many people who become internalized.

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They get up and do the same.
They knock on the table and leave.

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everyone does it

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because they internalize it.

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To be free after so many years,

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see the environment

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and experience it again,

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when before...

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I didn't value life.

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But now,

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My perception has completely changed.

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I looked at the door

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and three hummingbirds came flying

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to the feeder.

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I thought it was the most beautiful thing in the world.

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Trying to explain it is...

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It's difficult.

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Have a place to call "home"

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It's amazing.

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Mom Carole has been a blessing.

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That you have opened your heart,

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your house

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and his life

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for me...

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It's something that not everyone does.

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Who allows a convicted murderer

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leaving death row
after 30 years

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come to your house
and let him call it "home"

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and call you mom?

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It means so much

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I want her to know that I value her.

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And to do it,

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I must humble myself before her and before God.

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Who are you going to wet?

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Don't even think about it!

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Have you been to Wet 'n Wild?

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- That?
- Have you been to Wet 'n Wild?

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Well... no...

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It is a water park.

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AND?

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Where you get into the water.

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AND?

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Can you sit on the couch?

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- Oh really?
- Yes.

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Yes, ma'am.

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You've been gossiping, haven't you?

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- That's how it is.
- That's what I feared.

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That's how it is.

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List?

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Jesus said:

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"You will recognize them

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for love."

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I feel nothing but respect

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and love

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for you

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And it is my mission and responsibility

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serve you

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and love you...

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because...

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when I had nothing,

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God

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brought you into my life.

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I know you have sacrificed...

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a lot...

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for me.

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You are a blessing.

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When I couldn't go home to my mother,
God brought me another.

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And I thank you

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for being there.

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- I love you.
- And I you.

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It's been a great day.

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Very special.

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As for meeting Dale,

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I'm scratching the surface.

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I know you have a beautiful heart,

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and his love for God,

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but every day

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I will discover something new, something more about him,

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and,

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As in any relationship,

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you don't know each other

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until you are together.

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I know very little

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about what Dale did
to be sentenced to death.

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I guess he'll tell me.

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THE DAYS FOLLOWING THE MURDER,

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SIGLER SPOKE TO HIS FRIENDS
ABOUT CRIME

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Dale had no regrets.
He didn't even flinch.

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We were set.

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I was probably insensitive
to what was happening, period.

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My name is Shawn Anttila.

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Dale Wayne Sigler
He was a good friend of mine until now.

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of the murder.

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The next day,

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we were alone in my house
and he told me everything.

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He told me the details

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of what happened.

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How was it there for a while?
and pointed the gun at the guy

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to open the box.

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took the money

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and the uncle told him:
"You don't have to."

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And he said yes. He took out...

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"At that moment, I shot him.

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Because he knew me,
knew my name, he would identify me."

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Dale knew the victim because he used to go

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to that Subway.

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A friend of ours worked there.
and he was going to see it.

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That's why he let him in
and I was comfortable with it

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and did not see it as a threat.

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THE GUILTY BOASTED
OF THE MURDER ON THE SUBWAY, ACCORDING TO WITNESSES

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HE DIDN'T LIKE HIM WELL
BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE WAS HOMOSEXUAL

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He said it was because he was gay.

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He said, "I killed that faggot."

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I wanted them to see it like this:

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"Watch out for him, he'll fuck us alive."

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He liked people to be afraid of him

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and I thought I would do something like that.

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The fact that the guy was gay

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it would make it easier for him to kill him.

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It wasn't the reason, but he did it because...

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He was gay.

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We lived in Texas at the time,
and that was not something that...

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It wasn't something you wanted,

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you know...

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That was not liked around here.

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You had to give that image

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because you couldn't show empathy

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by the gay community or they labeled you.

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And Dale didn't want to
that people thought that about him.

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I would have finished the image
that I was trying to show.

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I heard rumors and stories,

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but as for Dale
was gay or homosexual,

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I don't believe it.

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took me places

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where there seemed to be many gays.

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But you deny it: "Dale wouldn't do something like that."

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But hey,

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If it was, he knew how to hide it.

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All this marked me for life.

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SHAWN ANTTILA WAS SUMMONED BY THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE
TO TESTIFY AT THE SIGLER TRIAL

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At the moment
in which the judge told him his sentence,

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lethal injection,

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He didn't even flinch, he didn't care.
It's like he wants it.

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I think I wanted to die
at that time.

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I had no reason to live.

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SECOND DAY IN FREEDOM

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Not a day passes
without regretting what I did.

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Nothing you say or do
justifies him killing John.

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The only thing I've ever wanted

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is to apologize.

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In court,

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I focused on the trial

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and in my family that was there.

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At that moment,

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I accepted my destiny.

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I wanted to die.

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Let it be over.

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But what impressed me the most

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They were my parents.

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They had nervous breakdowns.

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That affected me a lot.

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THE LAST TIME YOUR MOTHER
HE VISITED DALE IN JAIL WAS IN 1997

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HIS POOR HEALTH DOES NOT ALLOW HIM
LEAVING YOUR CALIFORNIA HOUSE

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We have to log into your account

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so you can

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talk to your mother.

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00:16:26,021 --> 00:16:28,461
My mother has suffered a lot because of me.

265
00:16:29,661 --> 00:16:30,821
I have made her suffer.

266
00:16:31,821 --> 00:16:34,421
He told me: "No son of mine would ever kill."

267
00:16:35,501 --> 00:16:36,901
And it broke his heart.

268
00:16:40,101 --> 00:16:41,861
I haven't seen her in 25 years.

269
00:16:42,661 --> 00:16:46,141
and today I hope
being able to talk to her face to face.

270
00:16:48,781 --> 00:16:49,661
Hello?

271
00:16:51,021 --> 00:16:51,861
Come on.

272
00:16:51,941 --> 00:16:52,781
<i>Say?</i>

273
00:16:52,981 --> 00:16:54,541
- There it is!
- We're done.

274
00:16:54,621 --> 00:16:55,741
Hello, sister!

275
00:16:55,821 --> 00:16:56,661
<i>Hello, sister.</i>

276
00:16:56,741 --> 00:16:57,901
Good!

277
00:16:58,661 --> 00:16:59,581
<i>Hello, darling.</i>

278
00:16:59,661 --> 00:17:00,501
Hello, mom.

279
00:17:01,061 --> 00:17:02,381
I'm glad to see you.

280
00:17:03,421 --> 00:17:06,501
<i>What a joy to see you away from that place.</i>

281
00:17:07,061 --> 00:17:08,661
That's it. It's over.

282
00:17:09,861 --> 00:17:10,701
Peaceful.

283
00:17:11,861 --> 00:17:14,381
<i>Carole, I thank God</i>
<i>daily for you.</i>

284
00:17:16,901 --> 00:17:19,541
<i>I'm glad you can be with him.</i>

285
00:17:21,461 --> 00:17:22,341
It's an honor.

286
00:17:25,581 --> 00:17:26,421
<i>Okay.</i>

287
00:17:26,941 --> 00:17:28,661
<i>Let's control ourselves.</i>

288
00:17:29,261 --> 00:17:30,501
Good luck.

289
00:17:32,021 --> 00:17:33,861
<i>I told you I was old and fat now.</i>

290
00:17:36,861 --> 00:17:40,101
- It's a local thing.
-I'm not a kid either.

291
00:17:40,181 --> 00:17:41,021
I know.

292
00:17:43,381 --> 00:17:45,221
See my mother for the first time

293
00:17:46,181 --> 00:17:47,821
after 25 years,

294
00:17:49,501 --> 00:17:51,021
and for her to see her son

295
00:17:51,941 --> 00:17:52,781
free

296
00:17:54,101 --> 00:17:55,541
was more valuable

297
00:17:57,141 --> 00:17:58,621
than life itself.

298
00:18:01,741 --> 00:18:04,741
I can't emphasize
how overwhelming and incredible it is

299
00:18:05,381 --> 00:18:07,621
see and talk to her

300
00:18:07,701 --> 00:18:08,581
when I want.

301
00:18:09,061 --> 00:18:11,301
Thanks to technology.

302
00:18:11,941 --> 00:18:12,781
It's incredible,

303
00:18:13,781 --> 00:18:16,541
because he knows that now I am free,

304
00:18:17,101 --> 00:18:18,421
that we can talk.

305
00:18:19,901 --> 00:18:21,581
I'm glad to see you, mom.

306
00:18:21,981 --> 00:18:23,541
It's been a long time.

307
00:18:24,301 --> 00:18:25,181
<i>Yes.</i>

308
00:18:25,341 --> 00:18:27,901
We never thought this day would come.

309
00:18:28,701 --> 00:18:29,581
<i>No.</i>

310
00:18:31,901 --> 00:18:35,261
<i>I was afraid I wouldn't be able to see this</i>
<i>before going to heaven.</i>

311
00:18:37,381 --> 00:18:39,141
<i>- I love you.</i>
- And I to you.

312
00:18:39,541 --> 00:18:41,181
And I know that I made you suffer

313
00:18:42,061 --> 00:18:44,301
and you didn't deserve it.

314
00:18:44,381 --> 00:18:47,501
I ended up being the worst son
instead of being the best,

315
00:18:48,861 --> 00:18:50,221
but from now on,

316
00:18:51,141 --> 00:18:52,501
I will be the best son.

317
00:18:53,621 --> 00:18:56,021
I will make you proud.

318
00:18:57,861 --> 00:18:59,101
<i>I know, honey.</i>

319
00:19:17,621 --> 00:19:21,301
The most important thing for me
is that my mother is proud.

320
00:19:22,261 --> 00:19:23,741
What child doesn't want that?

321
00:19:25,101 --> 00:19:26,501
It is very important

322
00:19:26,741 --> 00:19:29,261
set short goals,
medium and long term.

323
00:19:31,141 --> 00:19:32,381
In a few years,

324
00:19:32,581 --> 00:19:34,541
I want to work in a company.

325
00:19:36,381 --> 00:19:38,181
Have my own house.

326
00:19:38,261 --> 00:19:42,301
Have a pension plan,
insurance, dental insurance.

327
00:19:43,821 --> 00:19:46,701
And I want to start a ministry,

328
00:19:47,021 --> 00:19:49,741
be a mentor to children and young people.

329
00:19:51,541 --> 00:19:53,381
I want the ministry

330
00:19:53,941 --> 00:19:56,101
fly and take off.

331
00:19:57,781 --> 00:20:00,821
I want to be a blessing
because I have always been a burden.

332
00:20:01,741 --> 00:20:02,901
It's time to help.

333
00:20:11,301 --> 00:20:12,581
house arrest

334
00:20:13,181 --> 00:20:15,741
For me it is a journey, another chapter.

335
00:20:18,821 --> 00:20:23,101
ACCORDING TO THE TERMS OF THE CONDITION,
DALE CAN ONLY LEAVE THE HOUSE

336
00:20:23,181 --> 00:20:27,661
FOR AUTHORIZED ACTIVITIES
ONE WEEK BEFORE BY YOUR AGENT

337
00:20:27,741 --> 00:20:33,301
YOU ARE PROHIBITED FROM SOCIALIZING IN PUBLIC

338
00:20:37,981 --> 00:20:41,181
See how that family interacts

339
00:20:41,261 --> 00:20:44,421
and how the child plays and runs,
pushing his truck,

340
00:20:45,181 --> 00:20:46,101
It's beautiful.

341
00:20:46,461 --> 00:20:48,821
Having children is a gift from God.

342
00:20:50,341 --> 00:20:51,181
It's...

343
00:20:51,861 --> 00:20:55,101
I have always wanted
find someone and have a girl.

344
00:20:57,421 --> 00:20:59,581
Maybe one day it will be me.

345
00:20:59,661 --> 00:21:01,221
Maybe I'll find someone.

346
00:21:02,501 --> 00:21:04,861
I have to concentrate, be positive.

347
00:21:05,541 --> 00:21:09,221
I'm trying to look for a job

348
00:21:09,741 --> 00:21:12,461
to be of value to others.

349
00:21:14,341 --> 00:21:15,181
But...

350
00:21:15,701 --> 00:21:16,941
I must be patient.

351
00:21:32,101 --> 00:21:36,061
SECOND WEEK IN FREEDOM

352
00:21:47,461 --> 00:21:50,941
THEY HAVE AUTHORIZED DALE TO LEAVE

353
00:21:51,021 --> 00:21:55,221
TO DO AN INTERVIEW
IN AN EMPLOYMENT OFFICE

354
00:22:01,581 --> 00:22:03,861
Let's see what they tell me today.

355
00:22:03,941 --> 00:22:06,061
I have to be flexible.

356
00:22:07,141 --> 00:22:11,141
I love having options
to finally start

357
00:22:11,221 --> 00:22:12,701
to get my life back.

358
00:22:13,541 --> 00:22:14,861
In a perfect world,

359
00:22:14,981 --> 00:22:17,461
I will sign with a trucking company

360
00:22:17,541 --> 00:22:18,701
where they prepare me

361
00:22:19,221 --> 00:22:20,941
and start working right away.

362
00:22:21,901 --> 00:22:23,461
I'm dying.

363
00:22:24,341 --> 00:22:28,101
REGIONAL SERVICES CENTER

364
00:22:30,101 --> 00:22:31,941
What type of job are you looking for?

365
00:22:32,941 --> 00:22:36,261
Some commercial driver.

366
00:22:36,341 --> 00:22:37,541
- CDL? Okay.
- Yes.

367
00:22:37,621 --> 00:22:39,621
- Do you want to be a truck driver?
- Yes.

368
00:22:39,701 --> 00:22:41,421
My grandfather was a truck driver.

369
00:22:41,621 --> 00:22:43,741
I know they pay well, I love to travel

370
00:22:43,821 --> 00:22:46,901
and it is something I want to achieve from the bottom of my heart.

371
00:22:46,981 --> 00:22:49,221
Do you have experience as a truck driver?

372
00:22:49,301 --> 00:22:50,181
No? Okay.

373
00:22:50,501 --> 00:22:52,661
- Do you have the license?
- No.

374
00:22:54,181 --> 00:22:58,261
- Would you like to get your license?
- Yes, ma'am.

375
00:22:58,341 --> 00:23:00,021
And your work history?

376
00:23:00,221 --> 00:23:01,781
Do you have work history?

377
00:23:02,541 --> 00:23:03,381
Well...

378
00:23:03,741 --> 00:23:07,501
Yes, I have done a little of everything,
but no driving.

379
00:23:07,581 --> 00:23:10,621
Okay, what was your last job?

380
00:23:10,861 --> 00:23:13,381
- Stocker at Kroger's.
- Okay.

381
00:23:14,341 --> 00:23:16,941
- And do you remember the date?
- 1990.

382
00:23:17,621 --> 00:23:20,741
- Nineteen ninety?
- Yes, it was my last job.

383
00:23:21,301 --> 00:23:23,741
I have spent 30 years in prison.

384
00:23:23,821 --> 00:23:24,661
OK.

385
00:23:34,861 --> 00:23:39,541
WITHOUT THE RELEVANT EXPERIENCE,
DALE DOESN'T GET ANY JOB

386
00:23:39,621 --> 00:23:43,541
STILL UNDER HOUSE ARREST

387
00:23:50,821 --> 00:23:52,741
Kill him, try to kill me.

388
00:23:54,061 --> 00:23:55,381
- I'm coming.
- Okay.

389
00:24:02,021 --> 00:24:02,861
Nice shot.

390
00:24:04,861 --> 00:24:05,701
Okay.

391
00:24:07,221 --> 00:24:09,221
There's another one to kill.

392
00:24:12,141 --> 00:24:13,021
Kill her.

393
00:24:15,181 --> 00:24:17,221
Okay, now you have all three.

394
00:24:19,261 --> 00:24:20,101
It's violent.

395
00:24:20,581 --> 00:24:22,941
I told him that if he didn't want to play, we could

396
00:24:23,021 --> 00:24:24,141
put something else.

397
00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:26,181
But, yes,

398
00:24:26,741 --> 00:24:28,341
It's very violent.

399
00:24:30,261 --> 00:24:33,381
That's why society
says that video games

400
00:24:33,501 --> 00:24:35,581
- corrupt the young.
- Yes.

401
00:24:35,661 --> 00:24:36,861
- To the kids.
- Yes.

402
00:24:36,941 --> 00:24:39,621
Technology is amazing,
but it's difficult.

403
00:24:41,181 --> 00:24:42,941
Even the games.

404
00:24:43,381 --> 00:24:45,661
When you level up,

405
00:24:46,141 --> 00:24:49,381
you have to get resources
to make you stronger.

406
00:24:50,421 --> 00:24:51,261
It's...

407
00:24:52,221 --> 00:24:53,061
It's confusing.

408
00:24:59,381 --> 00:25:01,061
While under house arrest,

409
00:25:01,141 --> 00:25:03,781
Technology is important to me.

410
00:25:05,421 --> 00:25:07,581
To look for work.

411
00:25:08,141 --> 00:25:11,261
So I can connect with the world
during this year.

412
00:25:11,781 --> 00:25:14,261
But at the same time, it is overwhelming.

413
00:25:18,741 --> 00:25:20,101
Detecting problems...

414
00:25:23,181 --> 00:25:25,901
The problem is that it is too difficult.

415
00:25:27,341 --> 00:25:30,061
"Check if it's fixed."

416
00:25:30,341 --> 00:25:31,501
- Okay.
- Have you...?

417
00:25:32,981 --> 00:25:36,061
I have given it a try to see if it has been resolved.

418
00:25:37,061 --> 00:25:39,101
- Has it been solved?
- No.

419
00:25:45,821 --> 00:25:47,901
Everything has a security measure.

420
00:25:47,981 --> 00:25:52,021
They want a backup
and they use your email, your mobile,

421
00:25:52,461 --> 00:25:56,821
password, and if that doesn't work,
you use the email for the password.

422
00:25:57,421 --> 00:26:00,181
when you try
and it still doesn't enter, you think:

423
00:26:00,261 --> 00:26:04,021
"Why do they ask me for my email?
to verify mobile

424
00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:07,061
If when I give it to you, I can't get in?"

425
00:26:07,501 --> 00:26:09,501
When I get to the point

426
00:26:10,221 --> 00:26:11,061
in which...

427
00:26:13,461 --> 00:26:15,021
you get frustrated,

428
00:26:15,101 --> 00:26:17,141
the best thing to do

429
00:26:17,701 --> 00:26:20,661
It is to leave it for a while and come back later.

430
00:26:21,701 --> 00:26:25,141
You have to stop punishing yourself.

431
00:26:26,181 --> 00:26:27,821
It's just a computer.

432
00:26:29,341 --> 00:26:30,581
You don't risk your life.

433
00:26:36,821 --> 00:26:37,781
The last...

434
00:26:39,381 --> 00:26:40,781
three or four days,

435
00:26:41,541 --> 00:26:43,781
Dale has been very frustrated.

436
00:26:46,781 --> 00:26:47,621
For him,

437
00:26:48,261 --> 00:26:52,341
basically the world stopped
when they locked him up.

438
00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:55,501
While out here, we keep moving forward,

439
00:26:55,581 --> 00:26:57,861
we learned the technology

440
00:26:58,101 --> 00:26:59,701
and he has to learn,

441
00:27:00,741 --> 00:27:01,781
but it takes time.

442
00:27:02,781 --> 00:27:03,741
It seems

443
00:27:04,621 --> 00:27:07,581
who wants to do everything tomorrow,

444
00:27:08,581 --> 00:27:10,781
and that is impossible.

445
00:27:10,941 --> 00:27:12,941
There are not enough hours in the day.

446
00:27:15,301 --> 00:27:17,341
I'm tight on money

447
00:27:17,581 --> 00:27:20,221
because with an extra mouth in the house,

448
00:27:20,301 --> 00:27:23,101
the bills grow and it still doesn't come in

449
00:27:23,661 --> 00:27:24,501
extra money.

450
00:27:25,341 --> 00:27:26,861
But we will make it.

451
00:27:28,341 --> 00:27:29,181
We will make it.

452
00:27:29,741 --> 00:27:31,861
He will find a job and everything will be fine.

453
00:27:33,981 --> 00:27:35,981
About getting a job,

454
00:27:36,141 --> 00:27:40,421
I don't know,
because he has no experience,

455
00:27:40,501 --> 00:27:42,781
and I have told him

456
00:27:42,861 --> 00:27:47,581
that has to go slowly
and not insist so much on everything.

457
00:27:51,701 --> 00:27:53,461
Have movement limits

458
00:27:54,141 --> 00:27:55,501
It's very hard.

459
00:27:58,101 --> 00:28:00,501
I have waited three decades
to get my life back,

460
00:28:00,741 --> 00:28:03,821
influence, do the right thing
and touch other people.

461
00:28:04,341 --> 00:28:05,301
For God's sake.

462
00:28:05,901 --> 00:28:07,661
And it's frustrating.

463
00:28:10,941 --> 00:28:12,421
People don't understand it.

464
00:28:13,341 --> 00:28:15,101
When you want to help,

465
00:28:16,501 --> 00:28:19,381
love other people

466
00:28:20,461 --> 00:28:23,381
and be with people.

467
00:28:25,261 --> 00:28:27,901
That's why it bothers me so much that I can't...

468
00:28:29,061 --> 00:28:30,101
socialize,

469
00:28:31,101 --> 00:28:33,541
work in the community and meet people.

470
00:28:34,941 --> 00:28:36,541
I am very limited,

471
00:28:37,181 --> 00:28:38,021
you know?

472
00:28:40,981 --> 00:28:41,821
And...

473
00:28:44,661 --> 00:28:46,421
I know things will get better,

474
00:28:47,701 --> 00:28:49,621
but it's frustrating.

475
00:29:01,701 --> 00:29:06,581
THIRD WEEK IN FREEDOM

476
00:29:10,021 --> 00:29:11,541
ONCE A WEEK,

477
00:29:11,621 --> 00:29:15,541
COME OUT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF
BEFORE YOUR PROBATION AGENT

478
00:29:18,341 --> 00:29:22,341
Do you want to buy something on the way
or do you want to go home?

479
00:29:22,421 --> 00:29:23,661
We can buy...

480
00:29:24,781 --> 00:29:25,741
Barbecue?

481
00:29:26,701 --> 00:29:27,541
There is pizza.

482
00:29:27,701 --> 00:29:29,461
Yesterday there were hamburgers

483
00:29:29,541 --> 00:29:31,621
- half price.
- I'm going to tell you something

484
00:29:32,021 --> 00:29:34,301
- that you don't know.
- When?

485
00:29:34,781 --> 00:29:36,741
- Now?
- Do you see that sign?

486
00:29:36,821 --> 00:29:38,901
- Which? Yes.
- The one at Subway. Yes.

487
00:29:39,501 --> 00:29:40,701
The rest of my life,

488
00:29:40,781 --> 00:29:42,501
Every time you see that sign,

489
00:29:43,181 --> 00:29:45,341
I will remember that night.

490
00:29:46,261 --> 00:29:47,141
Oh really?

491
00:29:54,621 --> 00:29:56,981
The most difficult thing is to forgive yourself.

492
00:29:58,221 --> 00:30:02,141
I have to forgive myself,
but I haven't learned to do it yet.

493
00:30:03,061 --> 00:30:04,101
It will come.

494
00:30:08,221 --> 00:30:09,141
It takes a while

495
00:30:10,101 --> 00:30:10,941
a time.

496
00:30:11,181 --> 00:30:12,741
Every time I see her...

497
00:30:15,141 --> 00:30:16,581
Reopen the wound.

498
00:30:24,341 --> 00:30:26,941
Dale knows what he did was wrong.

499
00:30:27,781 --> 00:30:31,021
and no one can punish him

500
00:30:32,181 --> 00:30:35,901
as harshly as he punishes himself.

501
00:30:37,021 --> 00:30:39,981
He is very sorry.

502
00:30:41,261 --> 00:30:43,781
And it's something you will carry

503
00:30:44,181 --> 00:30:45,461
the rest of his life.

504
00:30:46,181 --> 00:30:49,301
It will always be part of your DNA.

505
00:30:50,861 --> 00:30:55,221
All this and everything I've been through
It's because of my decisions.

506
00:30:56,701 --> 00:30:57,861
For what it was.

507
00:30:58,701 --> 00:31:00,261
But I'm not like that anymore.

508
00:31:05,141 --> 00:31:06,581
These last 30 years,

509
00:31:08,541 --> 00:31:09,381
they have...

510
00:31:10,621 --> 00:31:11,701
denigrated,

511
00:31:12,221 --> 00:31:13,221
calling "monster",

512
00:31:14,381 --> 00:31:16,781
animal, someone unworthy of life.

513
00:31:17,821 --> 00:31:20,341
It has never been like this.

514
00:31:20,421 --> 00:31:21,541
I'm not an animal.

515
00:31:22,861 --> 00:31:24,141
I'm not a monster.

516
00:31:25,461 --> 00:31:27,581
What people don't understand

517
00:31:27,661 --> 00:31:29,061
it's the real story

518
00:31:29,421 --> 00:31:30,581
April

519
00:31:30,981 --> 00:31:31,901
of 1990.

520
00:31:33,541 --> 00:31:35,341
They see it as a robbery with homicide.

521
00:31:35,421 --> 00:31:38,741
"He did it for money,"
but it wasn't about that.

522
00:31:54,141 --> 00:31:57,381
ACCORDING TO THE CONDITIONS
OF THE CONDITIONAL,

523
00:31:57,461 --> 00:32:01,341
SIGLER IS PROHIBITED FROM CONTACTING
WITH THE FAMILY OF HIS VICTIM

524
00:32:12,101 --> 00:32:16,941
THE ONLY DETAILS THE FAMILY HAS
BY JOHN ZELTNER ON MURDER

525
00:32:17,021 --> 00:32:20,261
THEY ARE FROM THE PRESS ARTICLES
ABOUT THE TRIAL

526
00:32:27,141 --> 00:32:30,421
"Restaurant employee
murdered during a robbery.

527
00:32:30,901 --> 00:32:34,381
John W. Zeltner, 31,
of Arlington, died at the scene.

528
00:32:34,461 --> 00:32:36,301
- Senseless murder.
- Yes.

529
00:32:36,941 --> 00:32:39,261
I had no reason. He did it just because.

530
00:32:40,301 --> 00:32:42,501
When he killed my brother,

531
00:32:43,661 --> 00:32:45,621
It wasn't an accident, no...

532
00:32:45,701 --> 00:32:47,621
He didn't accidentally pull the trigger.

533
00:32:48,261 --> 00:32:50,261
You don't shoot six times accidentally.

534
00:32:50,821 --> 00:32:52,941
It wasn't an accident.

535
00:32:53,341 --> 00:32:54,661
It's for something.

536
00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:56,861
It's for a reason, right?

537
00:32:57,381 --> 00:32:59,061
To kill, one bullet is enough.

538
00:32:59,941 --> 00:33:02,461
For something else?
You shoot five more times.

539
00:33:09,261 --> 00:33:11,501
For a long time, I believed there was more.

540
00:33:12,261 --> 00:33:13,341
For a long time.

541
00:33:13,861 --> 00:33:16,501
I thought they wanted to kill him for being gay.

542
00:33:18,301 --> 00:33:22,061
In the late 80's, early 90's,
people had prejudices,

543
00:33:22,141 --> 00:33:24,141
I thought it was because of that.

544
00:33:24,501 --> 00:33:27,461
That since he was gay and did not hide it,

545
00:33:27,541 --> 00:33:29,181
they didn't like it. I thought so.

546
00:33:29,261 --> 00:33:30,741
But I was wrong.

547
00:33:30,981 --> 00:33:32,741
It was my anger.

548
00:33:33,541 --> 00:33:35,181
It was only for the money.

549
00:33:54,061 --> 00:33:56,461
People think they understand what happened

550
00:33:56,781 --> 00:33:58,181
in April 1990.

551
00:34:01,821 --> 00:34:03,421
But at the trial,

552
00:34:04,341 --> 00:34:06,341
nobody knew what was happening.

553
00:34:06,421 --> 00:34:08,061
They didn't know the whole story,

554
00:34:08,421 --> 00:34:09,861
because I never told it.

555
00:34:12,781 --> 00:34:15,101
The only ones who know are:

556
00:34:16,421 --> 00:34:18,461
the victim, God and me.

557
00:34:19,581 --> 00:34:24,101
IN 1990, DALE SIGLER SIGNED A CONFESSION
ADMITTING TO HAVE MURDERED HIM

558
00:34:24,181 --> 00:34:26,141
DURING AN ARMED ROBBERY

559
00:34:34,861 --> 00:34:36,701
Until my father died

560
00:34:37,301 --> 00:34:38,661
I didn't realize

561
00:34:39,581 --> 00:34:41,301
that to be a man of God

562
00:34:41,381 --> 00:34:42,821
I must tell the story.

563
00:34:43,221 --> 00:34:45,021
I must be transparent.

564
00:34:45,101 --> 00:34:47,421
They believe it was a robbery with homicide

565
00:34:47,581 --> 00:34:48,461
for the money,

566
00:34:48,901 --> 00:34:50,981
but it is very far from the truth.

567
00:34:52,221 --> 00:34:54,461
25 YEARS AFTER THE CONFESSION,

568
00:34:54,541 --> 00:34:58,781
SIGLER WROTE TO THE COMMITTEE
OF CONDITIONAL CONDITION WITH A DIFFERENT STORY

569
00:34:59,981 --> 00:35:01,381
It wasn't because of the money.

570
00:35:02,021 --> 00:35:05,061
It was to cover up
the true intention of the homicide.

571
00:35:07,221 --> 00:35:09,981
I went to the store to kill John.

572
00:35:13,141 --> 00:35:14,461
I killed him because

573
00:35:14,941 --> 00:35:16,141
tried to blackmail me

574
00:35:17,061 --> 00:35:18,741
in exchange for having relationships.