1 00:00:13,763 --> 00:00:15,140 The trial was coming up 2 00:00:15,223 --> 00:00:19,060 and everything hung up on my testimony. 3 00:00:20,562 --> 00:00:21,980 He just looked at me 4 00:00:22,063 --> 00:00:24,149 and he said, "Look what I have done." 5 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:27,444 - You even seen his shirt? - Mm-hmm. 6 00:00:27,861 --> 00:00:29,070 It had splattered blood on it. 7 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:30,572 Splattered blood on it. 8 00:00:30,864 --> 00:00:33,283 Because it was cold-blooded murder. 9 00:00:37,537 --> 00:00:39,873 The threats started getting more vicious 10 00:00:40,623 --> 00:00:41,750 I was... 11 00:00:42,250 --> 00:00:43,668 in such a great fear. 12 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:46,671 I had four young children 13 00:00:46,921 --> 00:00:48,590 that I was trying to protect. 14 00:00:49,340 --> 00:00:51,468 I didn't know if someone 15 00:00:51,551 --> 00:00:54,804 would pull up to my house and kill my children. 16 00:00:57,724 --> 00:00:59,893 That was the worst fear to go through. 17 00:01:01,519 --> 00:01:02,604 The worst fear. 18 00:01:03,980 --> 00:01:06,420 I turned to drugs to deal with it. 19 00:01:08,443 --> 00:01:09,443 During that time, 20 00:01:09,986 --> 00:01:12,489 I had an addiction to crack. 21 00:01:14,157 --> 00:01:16,785 I would buy drugs off the street. 22 00:01:18,036 --> 00:01:19,329 As a matter fact, 23 00:01:19,412 --> 00:01:22,040 that's why I was standing in front of my mom's store 24 00:01:22,582 --> 00:01:24,918 when I saw the murder. 25 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:28,880 I had wanted to get high. 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,843 And I had never told Mr. Danny about that. 27 00:01:35,553 --> 00:01:38,723 But Shane, he killed our son. You're telling us he killed our son. 28 00:01:41,893 --> 00:01:44,062 Look, Mr. Schneider, I have to go. 29 00:01:44,604 --> 00:01:46,523 I was afraid for my life 30 00:01:46,606 --> 00:01:47,607 and my children. 31 00:01:48,399 --> 00:01:50,193 Please tell what you have to say. 32 00:01:50,276 --> 00:01:51,444 You're our hope. 33 00:01:53,363 --> 00:01:56,658 During this time, my dad was in the hospital. 34 00:01:57,617 --> 00:01:58,617 He asked me 35 00:01:59,244 --> 00:02:00,662 what I had decided. 36 00:02:02,205 --> 00:02:05,583 And I told him I was afraid. 37 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:09,087 And he told me, 38 00:02:09,754 --> 00:02:12,006 "You can look back in the Bible 39 00:02:12,757 --> 00:02:14,759 and it says, 'God loves the truth.' 40 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:17,846 You love God, you tell the truth." 41 00:02:20,431 --> 00:02:23,643 And I told him, I said, "I don't know if I'm strong enough." 42 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:27,689 And he said, "You're my daughter. 43 00:02:27,772 --> 00:02:28,898 You're strong enough." 44 00:02:32,944 --> 00:02:34,237 God loves the truth. 45 00:02:35,238 --> 00:02:36,573 And the truth is in me. 46 00:03:28,833 --> 00:03:30,460 Shane was in witness protection. 47 00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:31,878 She hadn't testified yet. 48 00:03:33,713 --> 00:03:35,590 Even though we'd worked so hard, 49 00:03:35,673 --> 00:03:37,592 she still can change her mind and not testify 50 00:03:37,675 --> 00:03:39,761 because she's got to go in front of the court, 51 00:03:39,844 --> 00:03:42,347 hold a hand up in front of Jeffery and Jeffery's family. 52 00:03:43,848 --> 00:03:45,808 The morning of the grand jury, 53 00:03:46,684 --> 00:03:50,063 that was the most fearful-est day I had. 54 00:03:51,105 --> 00:03:54,984 Because I knew I had to come in front of Jeffery. 55 00:03:58,821 --> 00:04:01,407 I must have smoked about two packs of cigarettes. 56 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,080 I was coming up the steps to the courthouse. 57 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:13,002 And Jeffery's uncle was out there and he threw some threats. 58 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:18,091 I had a police escort 59 00:04:18,174 --> 00:04:19,926 who told me to just keep walking. 60 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:23,805 Jeffery's family was there. 61 00:04:23,888 --> 00:04:25,723 The whole family. 62 00:04:28,351 --> 00:04:30,728 We was all scared and tense. 63 00:04:31,187 --> 00:04:33,940 'Cause we didn't know exactly whether she was gonna go through 64 00:04:34,023 --> 00:04:35,858 and go forth with what she said she was. 65 00:04:37,443 --> 00:04:38,653 She was petrified. 66 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:42,824 I was worried that she wouldn't testify 67 00:04:42,907 --> 00:04:44,200 and we'd lose everything. 68 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:50,373 Jeffery's grandmother got up and she said, 69 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:52,875 "So that's how you are. 70 00:04:53,334 --> 00:04:54,377 That's how you are." 71 00:04:57,338 --> 00:05:00,300 She was saying things and other people were saying things. 72 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:04,178 It was like I just didn't want to look at any of them, you know? 73 00:05:04,262 --> 00:05:06,139 Didn't really even wanna look at Jeffery. 74 00:05:07,432 --> 00:05:09,767 It had to be very difficult for Shane, 75 00:05:10,727 --> 00:05:12,103 fearing for her life 76 00:05:12,186 --> 00:05:15,023 and her family's life, which she was putting at risk. 77 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:19,152 Finally the grand jury 78 00:05:19,235 --> 00:05:20,570 wanted to talk to me. 79 00:05:21,612 --> 00:05:23,114 And they asked me, 80 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:25,491 "Did I see the man in the room 81 00:05:26,951 --> 00:05:27,994 that had killed... 82 00:05:29,454 --> 00:05:30,997 Danny Schneider, Junior?" 83 00:05:33,624 --> 00:05:35,084 And I pointed to him. 84 00:05:36,544 --> 00:05:38,087 Oh, that was a feeling. 85 00:05:39,756 --> 00:05:41,549 'Cause the look he gave me... 86 00:05:45,219 --> 00:05:47,513 If his eyes could shoot, I was dead. 87 00:05:50,725 --> 00:05:53,478 When Shane pointed in my direction in court, 88 00:05:53,561 --> 00:05:56,230 it was like everything went to being in slow motion for me. 89 00:05:56,314 --> 00:05:57,982 You know, I looked to this side. 90 00:05:58,066 --> 00:06:00,860 This the D.A. and the victim's family on this side. 91 00:06:00,943 --> 00:06:04,113 And my family was sitting over here crying and stuff. 92 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:07,658 But I wasn't hearing nothing. 93 00:06:10,453 --> 00:06:11,996 I just lost my hearing. 94 00:06:15,416 --> 00:06:17,210 My mind went back to that night. 95 00:06:39,982 --> 00:06:41,609 I don't feel good about it. 96 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:55,553 I was just trying to get the heat off me. 97 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:57,417 I had made up a story. 98 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:00,128 Just made up a story so they could leave me alone. 99 00:07:02,547 --> 00:07:04,382 Being a kid, a teenager. 100 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Thought I had it going on, thought I had everything figured out. 101 00:07:11,055 --> 00:07:13,641 I was dealing drugs and it was like... 102 00:07:13,724 --> 00:07:15,351 I just thought I was a big boy. 103 00:07:15,643 --> 00:07:18,396 You know, and I made a decision. 104 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:25,069 When I fired the gun, it was a funny feeling to my hand. 105 00:07:25,153 --> 00:07:27,321 There was a... a sting to it. 106 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:30,199 There was a sting to it. 107 00:07:30,366 --> 00:07:31,200 But... 108 00:07:31,367 --> 00:07:33,202 I know on the other side of the gun, 109 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:36,289 someone was laying there dead, possibly. 110 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:38,457 And... 111 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:41,669 that's what it had turned out to be. 112 00:07:45,047 --> 00:07:47,300 I had put it away and it's coming back up. 113 00:07:50,261 --> 00:07:54,098 I took someone's life, you know, and it's like, "Damn." 114 00:08:32,428 --> 00:08:34,972 Once Shane accused that he was the killer, 115 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:37,058 the D.A. presses onto Jeffery 116 00:08:37,141 --> 00:08:39,685 and they try to talk Jeffery into accepting a deal. 117 00:08:41,646 --> 00:08:44,065 The deal was for 15 years. 118 00:08:44,649 --> 00:08:45,775 And um... 119 00:08:47,944 --> 00:08:48,944 He took the plea. 120 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:53,574 Stand up, facing me. 121 00:08:54,116 --> 00:08:55,116 Hands in front of you. 122 00:08:57,453 --> 00:09:00,498 Jeffery took the plea on November 21, 2000. 123 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:05,461 It took a year-and-a-half for me to solve the case. 124 00:09:11,842 --> 00:09:13,386 Unbelievable. 125 00:09:15,471 --> 00:09:16,931 I caught him. 126 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:19,392 Nobody got killed. 127 00:09:20,476 --> 00:09:21,686 Nobody got hurt. 128 00:09:26,607 --> 00:09:28,734 Stood my ground. Didn't get him killed. 129 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:30,945 Didn't carry a gun. 130 00:09:34,865 --> 00:09:36,200 I got him the right way. 131 00:09:41,122 --> 00:09:44,458 Coming up, I'd never been outside of the 9th Ward. 132 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:48,254 That was the first time I traveled from out of New Orleans, 133 00:09:48,337 --> 00:09:49,714 from out of the 9th Ward. 134 00:09:50,047 --> 00:09:52,758 I didn't never been nowhere 135 00:09:53,050 --> 00:09:55,094 on the highway like that before, 136 00:09:55,177 --> 00:09:57,138 seeing all this stuff that I was seeing. 137 00:09:57,221 --> 00:09:59,599 The trees, and just being on the road like that. 138 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,854 And, um, to do it on a prison bus... 139 00:10:07,523 --> 00:10:08,523 I cried. 140 00:10:09,317 --> 00:10:10,318 Yeah, I cried. 141 00:10:24,206 --> 00:10:27,668 I took that time and tried to better myself with it. 142 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:30,629 I finished school. 143 00:10:31,547 --> 00:10:34,884 Put thought into how it could have been prevented, and... 144 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:37,887 I worked on anger management. 145 00:10:39,930 --> 00:10:42,642 But it's still an everyday struggle for me 146 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:45,978 because I ask this to myself... 147 00:10:47,188 --> 00:10:48,188 often: 148 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,485 "How do I continue to move forward 149 00:10:52,568 --> 00:10:54,820 when I know I did wrong?" 150 00:10:55,237 --> 00:10:56,697 Wish I could change it. 151 00:10:57,490 --> 00:10:58,490 But I can't. 152 00:11:07,708 --> 00:11:10,628 After Jeffery was indicted, 153 00:11:11,128 --> 00:11:14,006 I said, "I'm going to get out of here. 154 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,509 Go somewhere safe." 155 00:11:16,926 --> 00:11:17,926 And... 156 00:11:19,261 --> 00:11:22,431 I left my childhood home. 157 00:11:23,182 --> 00:11:24,767 And I never returned. 158 00:11:26,727 --> 00:11:28,354 I've never returned. 159 00:11:30,523 --> 00:11:31,523 But I'm... 160 00:11:32,108 --> 00:11:33,818 I'm all right now. 161 00:11:34,568 --> 00:11:35,568 I'm all right. 162 00:11:39,031 --> 00:11:41,075 I cleaned my life up. 163 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:44,161 I said, "I'm so sick of this bullshit." 164 00:11:45,287 --> 00:11:51,043 I said, "I'm tired of wondering, "Where am I getting money from? 165 00:11:51,335 --> 00:11:52,878 When am I gonna get high?" 166 00:11:52,962 --> 00:11:54,547 I said I'm just tired of it. 167 00:11:55,923 --> 00:11:56,923 I said... 168 00:11:57,842 --> 00:11:59,093 "Today I become 169 00:12:00,052 --> 00:12:02,346 a real wife and a real mother." 170 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:05,850 I said, "This is it. 171 00:12:06,225 --> 00:12:07,225 I'm done." 172 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:11,230 I've been clean since then. 173 00:12:13,315 --> 00:12:15,693 Shane put everything on the line for our family. 174 00:12:16,235 --> 00:12:17,903 Her strength inspired me. 175 00:12:20,156 --> 00:12:22,116 It was a Victims and Citizens Against Crime 176 00:12:22,199 --> 00:12:24,076 annual awards night. 177 00:12:25,828 --> 00:12:28,247 And we were able to get her an award. 178 00:12:29,623 --> 00:12:32,001 And she pretty much got a standing ovation. 179 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,254 She's really our hero, 180 00:12:36,714 --> 00:12:37,798 through all of this. 181 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:42,470 I don't consider that "being a hero." 182 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:46,098 I consider that... 183 00:12:47,558 --> 00:12:48,558 "standing up." 184 00:12:50,186 --> 00:12:51,353 Mister Danny... 185 00:12:53,230 --> 00:12:54,940 He really touches my heart. 186 00:12:56,692 --> 00:12:59,695 I told him he should be a private investigator 187 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,322 because he gets the job done. 188 00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:12,416 After Jeffery was in jail, 189 00:13:13,125 --> 00:13:15,294 it felt like you should have closure, 190 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:18,714 but, in a certain way, you didn't feel like you had closure. 191 00:13:18,798 --> 00:13:22,134 It just felt like we didn't go through the grieving period. 192 00:13:23,219 --> 00:13:25,805 The whole year that went by, something was always happening. 193 00:13:26,847 --> 00:13:29,099 So when we came home from the trial, 194 00:13:29,183 --> 00:13:31,060 it was the beginning of us grieving 195 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:32,812 the loss of little Danny. 196 00:13:34,563 --> 00:13:36,524 I tried to get back to my normal life, 197 00:13:36,607 --> 00:13:38,234 but it really wasn't normal. 198 00:13:38,609 --> 00:13:40,653 Normal's never normal anymore. 199 00:13:41,570 --> 00:13:43,572 Danny started back working yesterday. 200 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:44,925 - He did? - Yeah. 201 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,719 - How'd that work for him? - He went a half a day yesterday 202 00:13:47,743 --> 00:13:49,503 and a half a day today. He gets off at three. 203 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:51,247 That might be better for him. 204 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:52,330 Yeah. 205 00:13:52,706 --> 00:13:54,625 I continued working at the drugstore, 206 00:13:54,708 --> 00:13:58,295 but I was really only working kind of part-time, 20 or 30 hours a week. 207 00:14:00,172 --> 00:14:01,173 It was hard for me, 208 00:14:01,632 --> 00:14:03,634 but I tried my best to go back to work. 209 00:14:05,177 --> 00:14:06,971 My boss at my drugstore... 210 00:14:07,638 --> 00:14:09,014 We call him Mr. Claude. 211 00:14:09,098 --> 00:14:11,934 ...told me if I had to go in the back and lay down, 212 00:14:12,935 --> 00:14:15,062 or pray, I was allowed to do that. 213 00:14:16,272 --> 00:14:17,940 It's about one or two o'clock. 214 00:14:18,023 --> 00:14:21,110 I'm at work at Bradley's Pharmacy, but I got a little break. 215 00:14:21,944 --> 00:14:24,321 Really, really got low. 216 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:27,867 And, uh, struggled and cried a bunch, 217 00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:30,202 and didn't know where to turn. 218 00:14:30,911 --> 00:14:33,914 I really couldn't even talk to Annie about certain things. 219 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:35,666 At times, I was talking to myself. 220 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:37,668 So rather than talk to myself, 221 00:14:37,751 --> 00:14:39,003 I would talk to the recorder. 222 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:40,879 God, 223 00:14:41,422 --> 00:14:43,215 let us have some peace. 224 00:14:43,507 --> 00:14:45,426 Let us have some happiness. 225 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:46,927 Amen. 226 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:49,221 It hurt. 227 00:14:49,805 --> 00:14:50,973 It really... 228 00:14:51,056 --> 00:14:53,684 Not only his loss, but the way he died. 229 00:14:55,728 --> 00:14:58,188 We're trying to understand how Danny 230 00:14:58,856 --> 00:15:00,774 got sucked into this thing at the end. 231 00:15:01,191 --> 00:15:03,944 Whether or not this was just him wanting to do this... 232 00:15:06,655 --> 00:15:09,491 or his thinking is, "I can stop this any time I want to." 233 00:15:09,783 --> 00:15:12,328 All the while, this drug sucks you closer and closer 234 00:15:12,411 --> 00:15:14,663 to where you can't control it. 235 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,791 Danny, we love you and we miss you. 236 00:15:18,876 --> 00:15:19,876 And... 237 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,546 I forgive you, son, for... for what you did. 238 00:15:22,671 --> 00:15:23,714 You lost your life. 239 00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:26,175 And we're going through hell, 240 00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:28,594 but I know that you didn't want this to happen. 241 00:15:29,845 --> 00:15:32,765 So, please, rest assured your daddy loves you. 242 00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:36,810 I understand addiction is a powerful thing 243 00:15:36,894 --> 00:15:38,395 because of my son, but... 244 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:41,857 addiction was not spoken of in pharmacy school. 245 00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:44,526 It's not something we thought we'd have to face 246 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:46,362 as a pharmacist on the counter. 247 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:51,492 After I went back to work at Bradley's, 248 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:56,080 I realized how blind I had been to the addiction problem. 249 00:16:00,459 --> 00:16:03,337 I started noticing a lot of kids around my son's age... 250 00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:06,966 18, 19, 20, 25-year-old. 251 00:16:07,925 --> 00:16:08,926 Healthy people... 252 00:16:10,052 --> 00:16:12,805 coming in with high-powered opiate prescriptions 253 00:16:13,764 --> 00:16:14,765 for OxyContin. 254 00:16:16,517 --> 00:16:17,768 And I can remember seeing 255 00:16:17,851 --> 00:16:21,188 OxyContin marketing in a magazine. 256 00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:23,482 A pharmacy magazine around... 257 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:25,484 1997 maybe? 258 00:16:27,528 --> 00:16:30,614 Supposedly, it was a miracle drug for chronic pain. 259 00:16:31,865 --> 00:16:34,118 And it was produced by Purdue Pharma. 260 00:16:36,036 --> 00:16:37,705 If you have heard of the following pill, 261 00:16:37,788 --> 00:16:41,166 then you're likely a chronic pain patient or living with one: 262 00:16:41,458 --> 00:16:42,334 "OxyContin." 263 00:16:42,418 --> 00:16:45,421 Oxycontin. It's the fastest-growing drug in America. 264 00:16:45,504 --> 00:16:48,882 OxyContin is one of America's new prescription wonder drugs. 265 00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:52,052 An OxyContin pill can stop severe pain for 12 hours. 266 00:16:52,136 --> 00:16:54,013 It became known as the "angel of mercy." 267 00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:55,736 The drugs give pain patients 268 00:16:55,806 --> 00:16:58,142 the ability to enjoy simple pleasures. 269 00:16:59,143 --> 00:17:00,644 It really turned my life around. 270 00:17:00,728 --> 00:17:03,439 I've become a more active and productive person. 271 00:17:03,522 --> 00:17:06,817 I just can't explain how happy I am today. 272 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:08,152 Take these medications. 273 00:17:08,652 --> 00:17:11,155 I have found life again and it's worth living now. 274 00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:12,614 And I'm so grateful. 275 00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:18,203 OxyContin had a time-release factor that lasted 12 hours. 276 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:21,373 It supposedly made it less addictive. 277 00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:24,043 But I didn't buy into that. 278 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:31,008 We have known for millennia that opioids are addictive. 279 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,344 And then all of a sudden, 280 00:17:34,762 --> 00:17:36,972 you know, packed in one single little pill, 281 00:17:37,056 --> 00:17:40,976 was this massive equivalent of, like, 16 Percocet. 282 00:17:42,144 --> 00:17:43,896 And that was really dangerous. 283 00:17:46,398 --> 00:17:48,984 When I see these kids coming in 284 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:50,468 with these Oxycontin prescriptions, 285 00:17:50,986 --> 00:17:53,197 I felt that something wasn't right about this. 286 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:57,326 It didn't really look like they had serious, uh, 287 00:17:57,618 --> 00:17:59,369 pain or health problems. 288 00:18:00,037 --> 00:18:02,498 I was haunted by the fact that, uh... 289 00:18:03,123 --> 00:18:04,416 in their faces, 290 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:05,793 I could sort of see my son. 291 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:12,091 I was tuned in now. 292 00:18:14,218 --> 00:18:17,846 I decided to bring my recorder to work, 293 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:19,932 put it in my pocket and record patients. 294 00:18:21,642 --> 00:18:23,936 You ought to make do on this Percocet. 295 00:18:24,019 --> 00:18:26,647 You know what you ought to do? You oughta add Motrin. 296 00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:28,732 Over-the-counter Motrin, but take two. 297 00:18:28,816 --> 00:18:31,318 If that ain't relieving your pain, I'm telling you, 298 00:18:31,401 --> 00:18:32,694 you oughta go to the hospital. 299 00:18:33,237 --> 00:18:36,156 I might happen to be at the right place at the right time 300 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,533 to really make a difference. 301 00:18:39,618 --> 00:18:42,162 And I started counseling patients about the OxyContin 302 00:18:42,246 --> 00:18:45,165 and discouraging these kids that were walking in my drugstore. 303 00:18:46,041 --> 00:18:48,460 And I would say sometimes, "Did you have an MRI?" 304 00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:50,337 And most of 'em said no. 305 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:52,798 "What kind of pain are you in? How severe is it?" 306 00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:54,383 "Well, it's really not that bad." 307 00:18:55,384 --> 00:18:58,053 Yeah, it works. Don't get me wrong, it works. 308 00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:00,281 - Right. - I feel like I'm, you know... 309 00:19:00,305 --> 00:19:03,809 Well, it works, but, you know, let me tell you what the problem is. 310 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:06,311 It works, but if you keep taking that regular, 311 00:19:06,854 --> 00:19:08,564 other things aren't going to work. 312 00:19:08,772 --> 00:19:11,108 And then eventually that's not going to work as well. 313 00:19:11,191 --> 00:19:12,871 And there ain't nothing heavier than that. 314 00:19:13,944 --> 00:19:15,028 So then you're stuck. 315 00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:19,116 I was a young teenager, 316 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:23,704 and, you know, word on the street was it's a pill that, 317 00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:25,956 you know, makes you feel like you're on heroin. 318 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:27,541 It's just heroin in a pill. 319 00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:34,131 Everyone's parents, when I was in school, had injuries. 320 00:19:35,048 --> 00:19:38,343 A lot of the fathers were getting hurt at the refinery 321 00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:41,597 and they would have to see a doctor and be prescribed opioids. 322 00:19:42,931 --> 00:19:44,183 And so, 323 00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:48,770 mostly everyone I knew had prescriptions at home that they can access. 324 00:19:54,985 --> 00:19:58,030 When I was in high school, I got into an automobile accident. 325 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:01,366 And I got prescribed pain medicine. 326 00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:05,996 I went home and I remember taking the first OxyContin 327 00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:08,957 and it made me feel great. 328 00:20:11,293 --> 00:20:14,254 You know, everything's clicking, you don't have the back pain anymore 329 00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:17,174 and it just, all around, makes you... 330 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,092 just... just happy. 331 00:20:19,176 --> 00:20:20,594 It's just a euphoric rush. 332 00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:25,432 The first time I tried OxyContin, 333 00:20:25,515 --> 00:20:27,893 it just numbed me and gave me energy. 334 00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:32,773 Loved the way it made me feel. 335 00:20:34,942 --> 00:20:38,320 Anyone that takes an OxyContin or a drug like that 336 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:40,239 is going to like how it feels. 337 00:20:40,322 --> 00:20:42,324 You can't fight that feeling. 338 00:20:44,201 --> 00:20:45,994 Everybody was talking about it. 339 00:20:47,537 --> 00:20:50,249 I learned there was a whole new world 340 00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:53,168 just for this drug, as far as getting high. 341 00:20:54,211 --> 00:20:56,046 It's a timed-release drug. 342 00:20:56,129 --> 00:20:57,729 It's supposed to last eight to 12 hours. 343 00:20:57,798 --> 00:21:01,051 But if you chewed the pill, you'd get a big dose 344 00:21:01,134 --> 00:21:02,970 of the medicine instantly, 345 00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:05,097 as opposed to a timed-release. 346 00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:07,975 I would hear things like, 347 00:21:08,058 --> 00:21:10,310 "Well, you can break those down really easily 348 00:21:10,394 --> 00:21:11,561 if you get the coating off." 349 00:21:12,980 --> 00:21:14,523 "You can shoot 'em up 350 00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:17,776 and let the OxyContin hit you really hard." 351 00:21:19,486 --> 00:21:21,029 And once you get that feeling, 352 00:21:21,113 --> 00:21:22,406 that numbness, 353 00:21:22,489 --> 00:21:24,741 you know, I wanted to feel like that every day. 354 00:21:26,451 --> 00:21:29,496 I mean, honestly, when I take OxyContin, I take half. 355 00:21:29,579 --> 00:21:31,957 Don't take half. You get a full dose immediately 356 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,293 because they're supposed to be spread out over 12 hours. 357 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:38,210 I think some of the girls at the drugstore and some of the other pharmacists 358 00:21:38,255 --> 00:21:39,589 heard I was doing this. 359 00:21:39,673 --> 00:21:41,008 They thought I was crazy, but... 360 00:21:41,633 --> 00:21:44,845 I thought that maybe I could counsel and stop 'em before they got addicted. 361 00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:49,850 One day, I brought in a prescription to Bradley's 362 00:21:49,933 --> 00:21:52,144 and, uh, Dan Schneider is behind the counter, 363 00:21:52,227 --> 00:21:54,104 and he greets you like he always does. 364 00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:57,816 And he started asking some questions about why I'm getting this medicine. 365 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:02,237 I told him I was experiencing back pain, 366 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,573 but I was pretty sure I was addicted to the medicine 367 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:05,490 at that point. 368 00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:09,369 You gotta understand, I mean, you're somebody I respect. 369 00:22:09,703 --> 00:22:11,823 - You know what my son died of? - Yeah. 370 00:22:11,955 --> 00:22:13,665 It can happen to anybody. 371 00:22:14,082 --> 00:22:16,126 And I'll try to help and be supportive and... 372 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:19,963 Robbie admitted that he was on the wrong track, 373 00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:21,547 just like my son. 374 00:22:23,592 --> 00:22:27,971 And it shocked me that he was prescribed such a strong pain medication 375 00:22:28,472 --> 00:22:29,472 from a doctor. 376 00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:33,310 He started asking some questions about the doctor 377 00:22:33,393 --> 00:22:35,228 that prescribed this medicine. 378 00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:39,941 And I told him the doctor I was seeing 379 00:22:40,025 --> 00:22:41,985 had opened up her own practice 380 00:22:42,069 --> 00:22:43,695 not too far from here, 381 00:22:44,237 --> 00:22:45,322 on Chef Highway. 382 00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:55,540 When he said "Chef Menteur Highway," I knew that was not a medical district. 383 00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:57,918 This was a seedy part of New Orleans, 384 00:22:58,377 --> 00:22:59,753 not far from St. Bernard. 385 00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:07,094 It's not a business epicenter for professionalism. 386 00:23:07,344 --> 00:23:10,097 There's a lot of little independent motels 387 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:12,474 that, you know, rent by the hour, 388 00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:13,934 if you get what I'm saying. 389 00:23:14,851 --> 00:23:17,062 I figured maybe the rent was cheap, 390 00:23:17,145 --> 00:23:18,647 and she was just starting out. 391 00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:23,276 It was a very small pediatric clinic. 392 00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:28,865 She was a pediatrician that was going into pain management. 393 00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:32,911 I remember the first time I walked in, 394 00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:35,664 most of the chairs were little, small chairs 395 00:23:35,747 --> 00:23:36,873 that kids sit in. 396 00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:41,169 There was no one else in the building, 397 00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:42,462 uh, but her. 398 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:47,050 He said her name was Dr. Jacqueline Cleggett. 399 00:23:48,176 --> 00:23:50,887 Dr. Cleggett was very attractive, 400 00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:52,139 very personable, 401 00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:53,848 charming, 402 00:23:54,307 --> 00:23:55,307 very, very sweet. 403 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:57,894 And I remember distinctly, 404 00:23:59,020 --> 00:24:00,689 she would write three drugs. 405 00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:03,817 Patients were getting the OxyContin, 406 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:06,778 Soma, and they were getting Xanax, 407 00:24:07,487 --> 00:24:09,156 which was called the "holy trinity." 408 00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:12,993 Even though the OxyContin itself is very strong, 409 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:15,620 it would just give that extra kick 410 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:18,707 to make it feel more like a heroin effect. 411 00:24:22,002 --> 00:24:25,505 I wasn't actually a patient of Dr. Cleggett, 412 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,467 but everybody that was using in the parish 413 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:31,094 knew who was getting their refill on what day 414 00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:32,637 and you knew to go to their house. 415 00:24:32,721 --> 00:24:34,014 And when they got home, 416 00:24:34,097 --> 00:24:36,141 they would have people waiting outside their door 417 00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:38,226 for them to get home with their prescription. 418 00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:42,355 I think many of these kids are getting these pills 419 00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:44,483 and they are abusing 'em. 420 00:24:45,901 --> 00:24:46,901 If I'm right, 421 00:24:47,402 --> 00:24:50,822 she shouldn't be giving prescriptions for this OxyContin. 422 00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:55,994 At Bradley's, we had a way of running a computer printout. 423 00:24:56,495 --> 00:24:59,331 The printout would show the frequency the drug was prescribed 424 00:24:59,414 --> 00:25:00,916 and the doctor prescribing it. 425 00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:05,170 I ran a printout to find out how many OxyContin prescriptions 426 00:25:05,253 --> 00:25:06,713 we were filling at Bradley's. 427 00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:10,383 And when I ran this thing and I looked at the paperwork on it, 428 00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:12,427 it was a routine. 429 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:16,473 OxyContin, OxyContin, OxyContin... 430 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:18,767 Dr. Cleggett, Dr. Cleggett, Dr. Cleggett... 431 00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:21,937 Ninety percent of all prescriptions were OxyContin, 432 00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:24,689 and 99 percent of them were Dr. Cleggett. 433 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:30,695 The amount of prescriptions that Dr. Cleggett was prescribing 434 00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:32,155 was totally overwhelming. 435 00:25:32,948 --> 00:25:34,658 I couldn't believe the magnitude. 436 00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:41,581 Dr. Cleggett was putting these people straight to OxyContin, 40 milligrams. 437 00:25:41,665 --> 00:25:43,792 She never started them at a reduced dosage, 438 00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:45,293 and then worked their way up 439 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:46,628 because of their pain. 440 00:25:47,128 --> 00:25:48,421 She started 'em high. 441 00:25:52,175 --> 00:25:54,010 I said, "My God, look at this. 442 00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:55,387 What's going on here?" 443 00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:03,562 I feared Dr. Cleggett might be doing more harm than good. 444 00:26:06,523 --> 00:26:09,401 But when I really started questioning patients 445 00:26:09,484 --> 00:26:11,570 about what was going on in there, 446 00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:15,865 the owner of Bradley's, Mr. Claude, started looking at it as harassment. 447 00:26:16,866 --> 00:26:18,994 And all he saw was it cost him business. 448 00:26:19,703 --> 00:26:22,122 Because if I ran these people away, they would, uh... 449 00:26:22,205 --> 00:26:23,707 They'd just go to another store. 450 00:26:24,874 --> 00:26:27,460 So I started investing my time in trying to convert some of 'em, 451 00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:29,024 which I didn't have a lot of success. 452 00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:31,423 Every now and then, I made progress. 453 00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:36,094 Who's that woman out there? Cleggett? 454 00:26:36,177 --> 00:26:37,817 It was giving me an upset stomach. 455 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:39,407 - She didn't tell you? - No. 456 00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,475 That's dangerous medicine. You gotta be careful how you take it. 457 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,144 How long you been going to Cleggett? 458 00:26:44,561 --> 00:26:47,230 - About two or three years. - Two or three years? 459 00:26:48,815 --> 00:26:51,067 The information was right in front of me for the asking. 460 00:26:51,526 --> 00:26:52,861 What are her hours? 461 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:54,154 Oh, I don't know. 462 00:26:54,237 --> 00:26:56,740 One time, I didn't come out until 3:30 in the morning. 463 00:26:57,574 --> 00:26:59,909 How many people would you say she has at night? 464 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:03,079 - I mean, 10, 20, 30? - Oh, good God, no. 465 00:27:03,163 --> 00:27:05,165 - About 100. - Any of 'em on crutches? 466 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:06,957 No. 467 00:27:09,252 --> 00:27:12,005 It was becoming more and more apparent in our community 468 00:27:12,088 --> 00:27:15,675 that if you wanted to fill a script, Bradley's was not the place to go. 469 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:17,844 That Dan was gonna call you down on it. 470 00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:21,514 One day, a girl came in. 471 00:27:21,848 --> 00:27:22,891 Her name was Sheri. 472 00:27:23,224 --> 00:27:26,561 She was a really clean-cut looking girl, young, 473 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:29,564 but she had a prescription for OxyContin from Dr. Cleggett. 474 00:27:31,274 --> 00:27:33,068 And I asked her, I said, "You know, 475 00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:34,903 what kind of pain are you having?" 476 00:27:35,111 --> 00:27:36,863 She really couldn't give me good answers. 477 00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,991 I kind of got on her case a little bit and... 478 00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:43,370 discouraged her from getting the drug. 479 00:27:44,454 --> 00:27:48,375 But my boss had actually filled a prescription for her. 480 00:27:48,458 --> 00:27:49,458 So... 481 00:27:50,251 --> 00:27:51,294 I was kind of stuck. 482 00:27:51,378 --> 00:27:52,796 I had to give her the pills, 483 00:27:53,588 --> 00:27:56,341 uh, because it was like, obligated. We had already committed. 484 00:27:56,841 --> 00:28:00,512 And so, you know, I warned her and I gave her the prescription. 485 00:28:05,809 --> 00:28:08,228 It was not long after that when I got a call. 486 00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:16,152 I found out today that Sheri Lynn died, 487 00:28:16,236 --> 00:28:19,656 and although it's listed as undetermined causes, 488 00:28:21,241 --> 00:28:23,535 they do believe it was OxyContin-related. 489 00:28:24,953 --> 00:28:27,706 I later found out she was abusing the pill. 490 00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:29,833 She dissolved 'em and injected 'em. 491 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:41,386 I feared that the pills that I had given her 492 00:28:42,011 --> 00:28:43,888 were the thing that she overdosed on. 493 00:28:49,894 --> 00:28:51,229 Now I feel like... 494 00:28:52,897 --> 00:28:53,982 I've killed somebody. 495 00:28:58,153 --> 00:28:59,153 God? 496 00:29:01,364 --> 00:29:03,366 Why does this have to be this hard? 497 00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:08,370 He felt like... 498 00:29:09,664 --> 00:29:11,583 it was his fault almost, you know, 499 00:29:11,666 --> 00:29:13,293 he couldn't convince them enough 500 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,254 to stop taking it, 'cause they were addicted to it. 501 00:29:16,337 --> 00:29:20,049 They actually was addicted and thinking that they could just do it, 502 00:29:20,633 --> 00:29:23,386 maybe one more time, just like little Danny thought. 503 00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:26,973 I was crying... 504 00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:29,767 and praying. 505 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:33,772 I go back to the cemetery. 506 00:29:35,523 --> 00:29:38,818 Come to find out she was buried no more than about 20 feet 507 00:29:38,902 --> 00:29:40,361 from where my son was buried. 508 00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:46,701 I couldn't save my son... 509 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:48,619 okay? 510 00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:50,079 I could find his killer, 511 00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,415 but I couldn't save my son. 512 00:29:54,542 --> 00:29:56,336 But I can save some other kids. 513 00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:01,549 And save the parents of those kids 514 00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,427 the hell that me and my wife had to go through. 515 00:30:10,266 --> 00:30:12,519 I'm not going to let this doctor 516 00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:15,855 and this drug continue to kill. 517 00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:22,987 Just like in my son's case, 518 00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:25,448 I gotta learn everything about this. 519 00:30:26,032 --> 00:30:27,951 Call it driven, call it obsession. 520 00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:29,911 I had to know everything about Dr. Cleggett. 521 00:30:31,496 --> 00:30:33,164 And so I asked my wife, I said, "Look, 522 00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:36,084 let's go see Dr. Cleggett's office tonight." 523 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:39,504 I said, "Dan, are you crazy? 524 00:30:40,255 --> 00:30:43,383 There's no way that she's open this time of the night." 525 00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:49,764 That white sign in the back is her office. 526 00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:52,892 We're passing by her office right now. 527 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:55,812 Now, we're going to go around the block. 528 00:30:55,895 --> 00:30:57,272 Turn it off yet? 529 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,606 Pause it. 530 00:30:58,940 --> 00:31:00,066 Annie was a trooper. 531 00:31:00,149 --> 00:31:02,026 She was in the car with me, scared to death. 532 00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:03,152 More scared than I was. 533 00:31:04,028 --> 00:31:06,656 You're gonna be going through my window eventually. 534 00:31:06,739 --> 00:31:08,867 I know, you just watch where you're going. 535 00:31:10,618 --> 00:31:12,298 This person's looking out the door, Danny! 536 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:14,170 - It's all right! - Put it down? 537 00:31:14,205 --> 00:31:15,415 No, keep shooting. 538 00:31:15,665 --> 00:31:17,625 I got the camera and he's behind the wheel 539 00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:19,794 and every car that passed, I was looking to see 540 00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:21,169 who was it. 541 00:31:21,754 --> 00:31:24,215 We pulled up, found us a position across the street, 542 00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:26,050 trying to be not detected. 543 00:31:27,051 --> 00:31:28,887 And we looked and we observed. 544 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:33,391 And unbelievably, her office was abuzz. 545 00:31:36,436 --> 00:31:38,021 My wife said, 546 00:31:38,521 --> 00:31:40,148 "Oh, my God, look at this." 547 00:31:41,649 --> 00:31:43,089 I said, "I can't believe it. 548 00:31:43,151 --> 00:31:44,271 These people are all in line 549 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,862 to get OxyContin?" 550 00:31:45,945 --> 00:31:47,865 He said, "Yeah, can you believe what's going on?" 551 00:31:49,616 --> 00:31:52,744 We actually saw a gentleman walk in 552 00:31:52,827 --> 00:31:53,828 with crutches, 553 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:57,123 and shortly after, he walks out holding those crutches in his hand. 554 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:02,670 It's about... almost two o'clock in the morning. 555 00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:05,173 January 11th. 556 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:10,470 What I'm trying to gather is evidence to help support a case against her. 557 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:13,389 My wife and I were videotaping this 558 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:15,058 and then we actually noticed, 559 00:32:15,141 --> 00:32:17,685 in front of the building, New Orleans police officers. 560 00:32:21,898 --> 00:32:26,361 I had so much problems with police in my son's case being obstructionists. 561 00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:28,655 And then I'll be darned. 562 00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:30,740 You know, I, I started investigating Cleggett 563 00:32:30,823 --> 00:32:33,660 and she has a uniformed New Orleans police officer 564 00:32:33,743 --> 00:32:35,536 on the doggone porch. 565 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:39,499 In my mind, they had to be complicit with what she was doing. 566 00:32:40,375 --> 00:32:43,503 But it was so obvious to me that this was dirty business. 567 00:32:44,587 --> 00:32:48,007 And I said to myself, if nobody else was going to stop this, 568 00:32:48,508 --> 00:32:49,759 I was going to stop this. 569 00:32:54,847 --> 00:32:56,391 A lot of trash out front. 570 00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:58,935 I was actually interested in looking in the trash, but, uh... 571 00:32:59,018 --> 00:33:02,188 I'll save that maybe for another time if necessary. 572 00:33:02,855 --> 00:33:04,857 I had to go to the next level. 573 00:33:05,483 --> 00:33:07,485 I had to get somebody on the inside. 574 00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:10,113 And I called Robbie up and said, 575 00:33:10,196 --> 00:33:11,956 "Robbie, what do you know about this doctor?" 576 00:33:15,284 --> 00:33:16,119 Hello. 577 00:33:16,202 --> 00:33:17,388 - Robbie? - Yeah. 578 00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:18,892 Can we still meet? I'd like to. 579 00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:21,220 I get a call from Dan Schneider. 580 00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:23,751 We got a little Shoney's down here in St. Bernard. 581 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:25,420 He wants to meet me at Shoney's. 582 00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:29,048 I'll take, uh, liver and onions. 583 00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:30,812 You want gravy on your potatoes? 584 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:31,842 Yeah. 585 00:33:32,051 --> 00:33:34,251 - You want anything? - No, I'm fine. 586 00:33:34,429 --> 00:33:37,056 We're in Shoney's and he started asking some questions 587 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:38,850 about Dr. Cleggett, 588 00:33:38,933 --> 00:33:41,144 how she runs her business, who's there? 589 00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:42,895 Uh, what are the patients like? 590 00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:45,023 You could be a big help to me. 591 00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:47,150 You can inform me a little bit. 592 00:33:47,608 --> 00:33:50,361 I was going to tell you the whole story all the way through. 593 00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:52,905 And we went through the whole detailed thing 594 00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:54,157 of Cleggett's operation. 595 00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:57,827 Her business was picking up. 596 00:34:00,788 --> 00:34:05,001 She moved next door to this two-story building 597 00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:07,336 that, you know, was huge. 598 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,468 And she got more and more patients 599 00:34:13,551 --> 00:34:14,969 and the crowd changed. 600 00:34:17,096 --> 00:34:19,599 This was people that were either... 601 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:22,393 addicted to the medicine completely 602 00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:24,604 or people who were selling their medicine. 603 00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:29,067 Your visit was $250. 604 00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:33,613 Then you had a stat fee of $100 on top of that. 605 00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:37,116 And if you paid for the stat visit, you were supposedly guaranteed 606 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,744 to be seen within an hour or two, 607 00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:43,498 but the longest I waited was about 12 hours. 608 00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:49,587 But I had a friend who actually was in there two days. 609 00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,632 Two whole days in her office. 610 00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:58,429 You had people in the waiting room sick, 611 00:34:58,513 --> 00:35:00,640 or dope sick, as I learned now, 612 00:35:00,723 --> 00:35:02,266 sweating profusely, 613 00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:03,810 being antsy. 614 00:35:04,727 --> 00:35:06,437 You know, they needed their medicine. 615 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:10,983 It was very common for people to fill their prescription 616 00:35:11,067 --> 00:35:13,361 and come back to the doctor's office 617 00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:16,030 and sell the pills that they just got 618 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:18,449 to people who still had a day's wait. 619 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,619 And you got an NOPD uniformed officer 620 00:35:21,702 --> 00:35:22,787 standing next to you. 621 00:35:23,663 --> 00:35:25,164 It was just crazy. 622 00:35:26,457 --> 00:35:31,045 You know, they would sell each individual pill, 30, 50 to 80 bucks. 623 00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:35,299 And an OxyContin back then... 80 bucks for an 80 milligram Oxy. 624 00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:38,344 So these people would have enough to pay their rent, 625 00:35:38,427 --> 00:35:40,680 buy groceries and have money for the entire month 626 00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:43,766 and have a few left over to take for themselves. 627 00:35:45,351 --> 00:35:48,563 From an enforcement standpoint, it made things a lot tougher. 628 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,732 If you found somebody holding crack or heroin, 629 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:54,152 or cocaine or meth, you made a case on 'em. 630 00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:57,655 But if you found somebody holding 100 pills 631 00:35:57,738 --> 00:35:59,365 and they had scripts for 'em, 632 00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:02,201 even though you know the intent might be to distribute, 633 00:36:02,285 --> 00:36:03,619 you couldn't make a case on 'em. 634 00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:05,204 You could have a trunk load of it. 635 00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:08,082 As long as you had the paper to back it up, it was okay. 636 00:36:08,791 --> 00:36:11,294 And most of the scripts were coming back to that pain clinic 637 00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:13,087 in New Orleans East to Cleggett. 638 00:36:14,088 --> 00:36:17,216 It seemed like Dr. Cleggett had created a cottage industry. 639 00:36:17,967 --> 00:36:21,179 She seemed to be a wholesaler and that people were buying this drug 640 00:36:21,262 --> 00:36:23,431 from her and actually dealing it on the street. 641 00:36:25,725 --> 00:36:27,518 And at that point, we made a pact 642 00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:30,396 to try to curtail or stop her operation. 643 00:36:32,231 --> 00:36:34,942 That's when I told him about trying to pay with the prescription. 644 00:36:37,236 --> 00:36:39,739 Did she actually try to pay you in prescriptions? 645 00:36:39,822 --> 00:36:40,822 Yeah! 646 00:36:41,115 --> 00:36:44,160 Okay? You see I repaired her, uh... her printer. 647 00:36:46,621 --> 00:36:48,122 You know, at the time I was working 648 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:51,292 for a company that repaired printers and that. 649 00:36:52,418 --> 00:36:53,336 One day, 650 00:36:53,419 --> 00:36:56,172 I go into work and the first service call 651 00:36:56,255 --> 00:36:58,174 is her address on Chef Highway. 652 00:37:00,509 --> 00:37:03,679 So I go out there to do the service call 653 00:37:03,763 --> 00:37:05,348 and, "Oh, hi, Robbie," da-da-da. 654 00:37:07,016 --> 00:37:08,559 I told the receptionist, 655 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:11,312 "A $300-$400 repair," or whatever it was. 656 00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:13,648 Well, she comes walking out 657 00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:15,441 with a prescription 658 00:37:15,816 --> 00:37:17,777 for Oxycontin for me. 659 00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:23,324 And I said, "Somebody's gonna be looking for 400-something dollars 660 00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:25,117 when I get back to the office." 661 00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:29,038 So she takes the prescription, goes back in the back 662 00:37:29,121 --> 00:37:33,251 and the uniformed NOPD officer comes out 663 00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:36,504 with the prescriptions in his hand, hands them to me, 664 00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:38,214 and basically tells me 665 00:37:38,297 --> 00:37:41,342 it would be in my best interest to take the prescriptions and leave. 666 00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:44,887 So, I took prescriptions and left. 667 00:37:46,138 --> 00:37:48,849 If that's not freaking illegal, I don't know what is. 668 00:37:55,398 --> 00:37:56,398 FBI. 669 00:37:56,732 --> 00:37:59,110 This is Dan Schneider. I'm a pharmacist, 670 00:37:59,652 --> 00:38:03,030 and I've been observing this physician, Jacqueline Cleggett. 671 00:38:03,489 --> 00:38:06,951 In my medical opinion, she's overprescribing strong narcotics. 672 00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:11,539 And I tell 'em that I got a young man that has an incredible story 673 00:38:11,622 --> 00:38:15,167 about a doctor writing prescriptions to pay him for his services 674 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:17,753 in front of New Orleans police officers there. 675 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,675 I discussed the fact that we had videotapes 676 00:38:22,758 --> 00:38:23,884 and audiotapes. 677 00:38:25,469 --> 00:38:28,055 And a couple days later, I got a call back by David Steed, 678 00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:29,307 the agent in charge. 679 00:38:30,057 --> 00:38:31,934 He said, "Well, Dan, I looked into this. 680 00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:33,352 I reviewed your materials, 681 00:38:34,353 --> 00:38:36,647 but the DEA is way ahead of us on this. 682 00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:39,191 I want you to arrange a meeting with the DEA." 683 00:38:46,115 --> 00:38:49,118 This is, uh... January, I think it's a Friday. 684 00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:52,955 I talked to David Steed, an FBI agent, this evening. 685 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,875 He seemed very interested and I think we're making some progress. 686 00:38:55,958 --> 00:38:57,084 Today was a good day. 687 00:38:57,752 --> 00:39:00,588 And I feel like Danny was present with me and so was God. 688 00:39:04,425 --> 00:39:06,344 We got to the DEA office. 689 00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:09,347 We were referred to two agents. 690 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,477 They separate us. They put us in these little rooms. 691 00:39:15,269 --> 00:39:16,789 "We have to have y'all separate. 692 00:39:16,854 --> 00:39:18,534 We absolutely have to have y'all separate." 693 00:39:18,564 --> 00:39:21,901 I, I didn't quite understand that, but that's protocol, I guess. 694 00:39:26,447 --> 00:39:28,824 We tell them the story and all that, 695 00:39:28,908 --> 00:39:31,410 but they weren't interested in what we were saying 696 00:39:31,494 --> 00:39:32,828 about Jacqueline Cleggett. 697 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,623 They couldn't figure out why we came up there. 698 00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:39,502 "Nobody just comes there and tries to do the right thing," 699 00:39:39,585 --> 00:39:41,003 that was their perspective. 700 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:45,257 They picked on Robbie. 701 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:46,926 They really, really press him 702 00:39:47,009 --> 00:39:49,011 about street dealers. 703 00:39:49,095 --> 00:39:50,137 Okay, and you know, 704 00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:53,015 "Do any of your friends do drugs? Do any of your friends sell drugs?" 705 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:55,518 I knew some people 706 00:39:55,601 --> 00:39:58,270 that were selling OxyContin on the street and whatnot, 707 00:39:58,354 --> 00:40:01,148 but they were little fish in the pond. 708 00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:04,068 I mean, we're trying to give 'em this doctor 709 00:40:04,151 --> 00:40:06,445 who's running this shady practice 710 00:40:06,529 --> 00:40:08,114 where if they shut her down, 711 00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:10,991 then the low-level dealers don't have the medicine to sell. 712 00:40:11,742 --> 00:40:13,994 They didn't seem to be interested in... 713 00:40:14,745 --> 00:40:19,291 in his prescription story or even in going after Dr. Cleggett. 714 00:40:19,625 --> 00:40:21,043 I said, "My God. 715 00:40:21,127 --> 00:40:22,962 What the hell are you guys doing?" 716 00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:32,012 I met Mr. Schneider, um... a short time after I went to work for DEA. 717 00:40:33,764 --> 00:40:36,976 Mr. Schneider was, I think, very frustrated, 718 00:40:37,059 --> 00:40:39,437 but what you have to understand 719 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,023 is that DEA doesn't tell John Q. Citizen, 720 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,485 or even a pharmacist or another doctor 721 00:40:46,861 --> 00:40:49,447 what they're investigating. 722 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:57,455 So even though Mr. Schneider thought things were not happening, 723 00:40:58,330 --> 00:40:59,540 things were happening. 724 00:40:59,999 --> 00:41:02,376 We had been investigating Dr. Cleggett 725 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,546 a year before Dan came on the scene. 726 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:11,093 I initiated the DEA case in February of 2000. 727 00:41:11,677 --> 00:41:16,307 We had a pole-cam placed in front of her business. 728 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,187 I observed license plates from Georgia, 729 00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:23,230 Alabama, Florida, 730 00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:24,814 Mississippi, 731 00:41:24,857 --> 00:41:26,358 even as far as Tennessee. 732 00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:30,613 Patients would camp out or sleep in their cars 733 00:41:30,696 --> 00:41:32,490 to wait for Dr. Cleggett. 734 00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:36,535 Dr. Cleggett would generally show up at about eleven o'clock at night. 735 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:42,082 She would see an average of 76 patients a day. 736 00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:44,293 I mean, there's something 737 00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:45,753 seriously wrong with that. 738 00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:46,670 You know, 739 00:41:46,754 --> 00:41:47,838 on a really busy day, 740 00:41:47,922 --> 00:41:49,965 I may see 20 patients, 741 00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:52,384 and that's an intense day. 742 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:56,972 How could you possibly properly examine a patient, 743 00:41:57,848 --> 00:41:59,225 talk with their family, 744 00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:01,101 check labs? 745 00:42:01,727 --> 00:42:02,727 There's no way. 746 00:42:04,104 --> 00:42:07,191 Eventually, we sent an undercover agent in 747 00:42:07,274 --> 00:42:08,609 to become a patient. 748 00:42:09,985 --> 00:42:11,654 There was no exams. 749 00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:15,533 No, "Does this cause your pain? Does that cause your pain?" 750 00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:17,535 She'd just give you your prescription. 751 00:42:18,619 --> 00:42:20,871 We did undercover buys. 752 00:42:21,872 --> 00:42:25,125 Almost all of the prescriptions were identical, 753 00:42:25,209 --> 00:42:27,920 no matter what patient went in. 754 00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:29,463 OxyContin, 755 00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:30,798 Soma, 756 00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:31,881 and Xanax, 757 00:42:33,008 --> 00:42:35,261 which is commonly known as the "holy trinity." 758 00:42:36,637 --> 00:42:39,390 Patients were exchanging prescriptions, 759 00:42:39,473 --> 00:42:40,683 exchanging pills. 760 00:42:42,101 --> 00:42:44,562 Every one of her patients paid in cash. 761 00:42:45,187 --> 00:42:46,667 She didn't take insurance. 762 00:42:47,314 --> 00:42:48,732 She wouldn't take checks. 763 00:42:48,816 --> 00:42:50,359 She didn't take credit cards. 764 00:42:50,651 --> 00:42:53,862 You paid your money, and eventually, you got your prescription. 765 00:42:56,615 --> 00:43:02,413 In 2001, our records show that Dr. Cleggett deposited 766 00:43:02,496 --> 00:43:04,873 almost two million dollars in cash. 767 00:43:05,624 --> 00:43:08,002 So, that was a red flag. 768 00:43:09,044 --> 00:43:11,714 The only thing that could possibly be happening there, 769 00:43:11,797 --> 00:43:14,049 as far as I can determine, 770 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:15,676 is that that's just a pill mill. 771 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,722 A pill mill is a way to describe doctors 772 00:43:19,805 --> 00:43:22,099 who have clearly lost their moral compass, 773 00:43:22,182 --> 00:43:25,603 who are willfully exchanging prescriptions for cash, 774 00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:28,147 and not really doing any kind of due diligence. 775 00:43:29,315 --> 00:43:31,692 You know, they don't care about the patients. 776 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:33,569 They're just in it for the money. 777 00:43:34,945 --> 00:43:38,574 It was just like, this mind-boggling scenario 778 00:43:38,657 --> 00:43:41,035 of a doctor's office. 779 00:43:42,661 --> 00:43:44,955 Dan Schneider was a few blocks away 780 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,500 sitting in his car with an amateur camera 781 00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:51,712 conducting his own investigation. 782 00:43:51,837 --> 00:43:54,048 What Dan didn't realize or understand 783 00:43:54,131 --> 00:43:57,217 was that we had our own investigation going on. 784 00:43:57,551 --> 00:43:59,845 And we just couldn't tell him at that point. 785 00:44:02,931 --> 00:44:05,118 I heard they had a case, but it really seemed like 786 00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:07,811 the DEA didn't care about anything I was saying. 787 00:44:09,021 --> 00:44:11,231 I think the Drug Enforcement Administration 788 00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:14,818 got more and more concerned about too many cooks being in the kitchen 789 00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:16,570 in the Cleggett parking lot. 790 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,200 I couldn't look the other way. 791 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,623 - FBI. - Yeah, David? 792 00:44:27,706 --> 00:44:30,560 - This is Dan Schneider. How are you doing? - Hey, good. How are you doing? 793 00:44:30,584 --> 00:44:32,836 I did go meet with the DEA. 794 00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:36,382 I actually brought a subject with me. 795 00:44:36,465 --> 00:44:40,094 I'll call him as "Mr. R," because so far he hasn't given up his entire name. 796 00:44:40,219 --> 00:44:42,262 He gave them a lot of information. 797 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:46,350 You supposedly gave this to them because they already had 798 00:44:46,433 --> 00:44:48,644 - an ongoing investigation. - That is correct. 799 00:44:48,727 --> 00:44:50,979 That is not what I was led to believe. 800 00:44:51,522 --> 00:44:54,566 It didn't seem like they had a clue what was going on. 801 00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:57,778 Unless they were being discreetly dishonest to me, 802 00:44:57,861 --> 00:44:59,697 which is possible. 803 00:45:00,072 --> 00:45:01,072 - Okay? - Right. 804 00:45:01,115 --> 00:45:03,158 And I hope they were. 805 00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:05,244 But I'm double-checking them. 806 00:45:05,744 --> 00:45:08,163 Mr. Schneider, all I can tell you 807 00:45:08,997 --> 00:45:11,417 is that this case is getting the attention that it needs 808 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:12,710 at the level that it needs. 809 00:45:13,252 --> 00:45:14,252 I would really, 810 00:45:14,294 --> 00:45:18,966 at this point, stop the investigation that you were actually conducting. 811 00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:22,136 Just sit back and watch things from the periphery 812 00:45:22,219 --> 00:45:24,596 and watch things unfold over the next weeks, months, 813 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,280 however long this case is going to take. 814 00:45:26,306 --> 00:45:27,546 Well, I'll tell you what, 815 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,309 - if it does take months... - Uh-huh. 816 00:45:29,643 --> 00:45:32,730 ...there will be hundreds of lives destroyed. 817 00:45:40,237 --> 00:45:44,158 Overdoses in St. Bernard started to be very, very common. 818 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:50,998 Opioids can slow the heart. 819 00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:53,375 They can slow the breathing. 820 00:45:53,459 --> 00:45:57,504 And eventually, patients get to a point where they take their opioid, 821 00:45:57,588 --> 00:45:59,506 they fall asleep, their heart stops. 822 00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:02,134 And they essentially just stop breathing. 823 00:46:03,302 --> 00:46:06,138 So they become more and more vulnerable to dying 824 00:46:06,221 --> 00:46:08,891 even when they're taking the medicine as prescribed. 825 00:46:11,143 --> 00:46:14,855 One night, I actually left a rehabilitation center in the city. 826 00:46:16,106 --> 00:46:17,107 I caught a bus. 827 00:46:18,233 --> 00:46:20,861 I got, you know, opiates on the way home. 828 00:46:21,361 --> 00:46:25,032 Haven't used in a while so my tolerance was low. 829 00:46:25,449 --> 00:46:27,576 And I remember using 830 00:46:27,659 --> 00:46:28,994 and when I laid down, 831 00:46:29,536 --> 00:46:31,580 I went into the blackest hole. 832 00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:35,018 You know, you hear people 833 00:46:35,042 --> 00:46:37,795 talk about when they overdose, or when they die and come back, 834 00:46:37,878 --> 00:46:39,421 that they see a light. 835 00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:40,756 I didn't see any of that. 836 00:46:40,839 --> 00:46:42,508 It was like I never existed. 837 00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:47,596 Next thing I know, 838 00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:50,808 I wake up strapped down to a bed 839 00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:52,643 with a tube down my throat. 840 00:46:54,019 --> 00:46:56,522 And I saw a police officer just standing over me 841 00:46:56,605 --> 00:46:58,565 and I was screaming to help me breathe. 842 00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:01,693 And I remember the nurse peeking in and saying, 843 00:47:02,152 --> 00:47:04,992 "You overdosed and I need you to relax. We're trying to save your life." 844 00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:06,823 And I... 845 00:47:07,115 --> 00:47:08,325 remember that cop. 846 00:47:08,408 --> 00:47:10,244 I was begging to breathe and I said, 847 00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:12,287 "Help, I can't breathe. Please, help me." 848 00:47:12,371 --> 00:47:15,332 And I remember looking up and I remember him doing this: 849 00:47:18,043 --> 00:47:19,043 And walking off. 850 00:47:21,922 --> 00:47:26,218 I was in ICU for three weeks on a breathing machine. 851 00:47:27,511 --> 00:47:28,511 Yeah. 852 00:47:28,637 --> 00:47:29,637 Excuse me. 853 00:47:35,644 --> 00:47:36,979 I was about 17. 854 00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:40,148 Maybe I was 18, but no older. 855 00:47:42,985 --> 00:47:44,695 I continued using after that. 856 00:47:45,696 --> 00:47:47,155 It wasn't enough to stop me. 857 00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:50,576 The addiction was just too strong. 858 00:47:57,457 --> 00:48:00,085 I started to see more deaths related to OxyContin. 859 00:48:00,961 --> 00:48:04,089 And I felt the DEA and FBI were moving much too slow 860 00:48:04,172 --> 00:48:05,172 to shut her down. 861 00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:09,720 And if I could do anything to make it happen faster, 862 00:48:09,803 --> 00:48:11,388 I had to try to do that. 863 00:48:13,348 --> 00:48:16,727 Danny started talking about Dr. Cleggett more and more. 864 00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:20,188 Every conversation at the dinner table led back 865 00:48:20,272 --> 00:48:21,481 to these kids dying, 866 00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:23,775 but I would try to block it out. 867 00:48:24,651 --> 00:48:26,820 Kristi, repeat exactly what you just said. 868 00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:29,784 - No, I don't really feel like it. - Well, I will say what you just said. 869 00:48:29,865 --> 00:48:32,326 She just said we're not having a great day. 870 00:48:32,409 --> 00:48:35,203 All because there was some little, minor comment that she didn't like. 871 00:48:35,287 --> 00:48:38,582 I'd say, "Danny, I don't know if I can take any more of this. 872 00:48:38,665 --> 00:48:40,876 I really don't." I know it's all for a good cause, 873 00:48:40,959 --> 00:48:43,253 but it's hard to stop Danny talking about something 874 00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:44,337 he's got in his mind. 875 00:48:44,379 --> 00:48:47,090 I'm gonna try to do a lot of things to prevent people... 876 00:48:47,174 --> 00:48:50,135 I gotta change your attitude. You gotta fear for your friends. 877 00:48:50,218 --> 00:48:51,637 Danny, shut up. 878 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,616 - Well, I will, but I mean... - Another place, another time. 879 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,058 Another place, another time. 880 00:48:56,141 --> 00:48:58,852 Kristi and Annie was trying to get Danny to slow down. 881 00:48:59,978 --> 00:49:01,271 They needed a break. 882 00:49:04,232 --> 00:49:06,693 At one point, when things got tough, 883 00:49:08,236 --> 00:49:09,780 I went over to the Schneiders' house 884 00:49:10,781 --> 00:49:12,491 and I remember Annie telling me, 885 00:49:13,533 --> 00:49:15,118 "He's got to stop this. 886 00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:17,161 He's obsessed." 887 00:49:18,830 --> 00:49:21,583 Danny was in the bathroom washing his face, you know. 888 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,127 And I heard Danny... 889 00:49:25,629 --> 00:49:26,629 crying. 890 00:49:28,966 --> 00:49:29,966 You know. 891 00:49:30,133 --> 00:49:32,594 "Help me. Help me, God. Help me." 892 00:49:35,555 --> 00:49:36,595 It had been a couple years 893 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,266 since Danny passed away. 894 00:49:39,726 --> 00:49:41,186 But that hurt is there. 895 00:49:42,729 --> 00:49:44,356 And my heart went out to Danny. 896 00:49:45,148 --> 00:49:47,526 It was one of the saddest things I've heard in my life. 897 00:49:49,736 --> 00:49:51,571 I want to be inspired. 898 00:49:51,655 --> 00:49:52,823 I think it's important. 899 00:49:52,906 --> 00:49:54,741 I want to do something for my son 900 00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:56,493 and myself. 901 00:49:56,994 --> 00:49:58,328 I want a calling 902 00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:00,872 and I believe I may have a special calling, 903 00:50:00,956 --> 00:50:04,584 because I also, God, have given my only son. Okay? 904 00:50:05,085 --> 00:50:08,005 And I want to give him purpose on Earth, 905 00:50:08,088 --> 00:50:09,256 as it is in heaven. 906 00:50:10,757 --> 00:50:13,885 He, like, became a martyr, or I don't know if that's the right word, but, uh... 907 00:50:16,096 --> 00:50:18,432 he may save some of these other kids' lives. 908 00:50:18,974 --> 00:50:20,642 And again, maybe that's my mission. 909 00:50:20,726 --> 00:50:23,061 I've looked for direction for a long time. 910 00:50:23,311 --> 00:50:24,813 And now I’m motivated. 911 00:50:27,399 --> 00:50:28,399 I was driven. 912 00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:30,736 Other people would say "obsessed." 913 00:50:32,154 --> 00:50:33,154 I like "driven." 914 00:50:39,327 --> 00:50:41,496 I had no idea how tough it was going to be. 915 00:50:45,584 --> 00:50:48,211 You know, I almost gotta be a damn policeman. 916 00:50:48,295 --> 00:50:50,130 And I shouldn't have this job. 917 00:50:50,213 --> 00:50:52,215 And some people say, "Why don't you just drop it?" 918 00:50:52,299 --> 00:50:54,468 But, uh, it means more than that to me. 919 00:50:57,137 --> 00:50:59,615 You have reached the Internal Revenue Service 920 00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,059 Criminal Investigation Informant Hotline. 921 00:51:02,142 --> 00:51:06,354 If y'all's investigator wanted to call the New Orleans branch of the FBI 922 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,356 to know what they know about this woman, 923 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,402 I don't know if they're really exploring the IRS part of it yet. 924 00:51:12,903 --> 00:51:14,821 I was sort of like a maniac. 925 00:51:14,905 --> 00:51:18,366 I didn't sleep for days. 926 00:51:18,825 --> 00:51:21,036 I was 24 hours. 927 00:51:22,454 --> 00:51:23,288 FBI. 928 00:51:23,371 --> 00:51:25,791 I've been working on a way to get her. 929 00:51:25,874 --> 00:51:28,502 And the way to get her was how they got Al Capone. 930 00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:29,585 Tax evasion! 931 00:51:30,545 --> 00:51:32,798 - DEA. - This is Dan Schneider. How you doing? 932 00:51:32,881 --> 00:51:35,467 Hi, Dan. We're not being recorded again, are we? 933 00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:36,968 No. No. 934 00:51:37,052 --> 00:51:39,137 Now, I do want to give you some tips, though. 935 00:51:41,723 --> 00:51:43,975 I know Mr.Schneider means well, 936 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,062 but he had questions all the time. 937 00:51:47,145 --> 00:51:49,290 "Why aren't you doing this? Why aren't you doing that?" 938 00:51:49,314 --> 00:51:51,191 Sometimes you'd get on the phone with him 939 00:51:51,274 --> 00:51:53,074 and you'd be on the phone with him for an hour 940 00:51:53,110 --> 00:51:55,904 and you'd just kind of go, "Mr. Schneider, I have an appointment," 941 00:51:55,987 --> 00:51:59,324 or you know, "I'll see what I can find out." 942 00:51:59,407 --> 00:52:01,159 And that's really all you can say. 943 00:52:02,077 --> 00:52:03,995 I called the DEA up again. 944 00:52:04,246 --> 00:52:05,455 Didn't give up on 'em. 945 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:08,208 At the tone, 946 00:52:08,291 --> 00:52:09,417 record your message. 947 00:52:10,669 --> 00:52:12,254 This is Dan Schneider. 948 00:52:12,337 --> 00:52:14,172 I'm not a goofball. I'm not a nut. 949 00:52:14,256 --> 00:52:16,016 I'm not trying to control your investigation. 950 00:52:16,049 --> 00:52:18,169 I'm trying to help. I've got some addition information 951 00:52:18,218 --> 00:52:20,262 for the license plate number of JCS5... 952 00:52:20,345 --> 00:52:23,890 She has a policeman that's, that's in her office most of the time. 953 00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:25,433 "Oh, no, no. 954 00:52:25,517 --> 00:52:26,893 We wouldn't handle that. 955 00:52:26,977 --> 00:52:28,937 You got to go back to the FBI." 956 00:52:29,479 --> 00:52:32,149 So, you know, I get bounced away from one into the other. 957 00:52:32,899 --> 00:52:34,526 I can tell you that the DEA 958 00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:36,695 acted as though they're not going to work that. 959 00:52:37,904 --> 00:52:39,239 That's not their business. 960 00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:42,075 If nobody's working the other side, 961 00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:43,577 we are in trouble. 962 00:52:45,245 --> 00:52:46,705 Things were just escalating. 963 00:52:46,788 --> 00:52:49,958 It was getting over our heads with everything that was going on. 964 00:52:50,041 --> 00:52:52,043 Your life revolves around just this! 965 00:52:52,127 --> 00:52:53,378 That's all you ever talk about. 966 00:52:53,461 --> 00:52:56,065 Do you know what's funny? I'm talking quite softly right now. 967 00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:58,651 - But y'all seem to be yelling. - You must be recording now 968 00:52:58,675 --> 00:53:00,395 because all of a sudden you got real smooth. 969 00:53:00,427 --> 00:53:02,107 Danny's brothers would talk to him 970 00:53:02,137 --> 00:53:03,930 and say, "You know, Danny, you gotta stop. 971 00:53:04,014 --> 00:53:05,807 This isn't good for you and your family." 972 00:53:06,516 --> 00:53:07,556 It's your problem. 973 00:53:07,601 --> 00:53:09,370 - No. It's not my problem. - Yes, it is. 974 00:53:09,394 --> 00:53:11,521 Did you want your son's case solved? 975 00:53:11,605 --> 00:53:13,405 That has nothing to do with right now. 976 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,359 Yes, it does. If I would not act the way I act, 977 00:53:16,443 --> 00:53:18,403 this case would never have been solved. 978 00:53:18,486 --> 00:53:20,071 Now she almost just hit me. 979 00:53:20,155 --> 00:53:21,549 Yeah, I almost punched him. 980 00:53:21,573 --> 00:53:23,700 I almost punched him in the face just now, 981 00:53:23,783 --> 00:53:25,535 everybody on the tape recorder. 982 00:53:26,912 --> 00:53:28,580 Having fortified himself 983 00:53:28,663 --> 00:53:30,373 with his son's investigation 984 00:53:30,457 --> 00:53:32,876 and incurring the risk he'd already incurred, 985 00:53:32,959 --> 00:53:35,587 this probably seemed like minor league activity 986 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:37,422 out on the Chef Highway to him. 987 00:53:37,505 --> 00:53:40,217 This was like no harm, no foul. 988 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,470 Heading back to Jacqueline Cleggett's office right now. 989 00:53:43,553 --> 00:53:46,223 We want to find out if she's operating this afternoon. 990 00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:51,478 But if you've got some guy that's going to interfere 991 00:53:52,062 --> 00:53:54,439 with you being able to fill a prescription, 992 00:53:54,522 --> 00:53:56,399 you can bet that 993 00:53:56,942 --> 00:53:59,986 any one of those characters in that parking lot that are traveling 994 00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:01,905 200 miles to get a prescription 995 00:54:02,322 --> 00:54:04,991 would've clipped Dan and not thought anything of it. 996 00:54:09,996 --> 00:54:12,624 I was going out there almost every week, filming hard. 997 00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:15,085 Cleggett had bodyguards 998 00:54:15,168 --> 00:54:17,712 that started noticing that I was videotaping. 999 00:54:17,796 --> 00:54:19,506 And one time when I was out there, 1000 00:54:19,923 --> 00:54:20,923 they detected me. 1001 00:54:21,341 --> 00:54:22,509 I started running away. 1002 00:54:23,343 --> 00:54:24,552 Shit. 1003 00:54:24,636 --> 00:54:26,304 I'm maybe being tailed. 1004 00:54:26,388 --> 00:54:28,265 I'm not exactly sure yet. 1005 00:54:28,765 --> 00:54:31,643 I'm 99% sureit's Cleggett's goons. 1006 00:54:31,726 --> 00:54:34,396 And this 4-runner starts chasing me. 1007 00:54:37,941 --> 00:54:38,984 I really get concerned. 1008 00:54:39,150 --> 00:54:40,485 I'm, I'm having to speed. 1009 00:54:44,656 --> 00:54:47,325 I finally make it to the FBI headquarters. 1010 00:54:49,953 --> 00:54:51,746 FBI New Orleans. 1011 00:54:51,830 --> 00:54:54,270 I'm... I'm in the parking lot right near your front door 1012 00:54:54,332 --> 00:54:56,252 but I'm sitting in my car and I'm not getting out 1013 00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:57,752 until I know who's meeting me there. 1014 00:54:57,836 --> 00:54:59,296 I am being followed. 1015 00:54:59,713 --> 00:55:01,172 - Okay? - Okay. 1016 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,425 This 4-runner now starts circling 1017 00:55:04,384 --> 00:55:06,886 and I think they're waving a gun at me. 1018 00:55:07,595 --> 00:55:09,806 So I, I hate to say it, but I was shitting bricks. 1019 00:55:09,889 --> 00:55:11,891 And I'm saying, "Man, damn. 1020 00:55:12,475 --> 00:55:14,769 I don't... I don't believe this. Okay. 1021 00:55:14,853 --> 00:55:15,853 Maybe... 1022 00:55:16,021 --> 00:55:18,064 Maybe I dreamed this up." You know? 1023 00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:19,148 Uh... You know, so... 1024 00:55:19,232 --> 00:55:21,651 I'm not trusting myself at this point in time. 1025 00:55:22,152 --> 00:55:24,988 - Ms. Adam's office. - Yeah, this is again, Mr. Schneider. 1026 00:55:25,071 --> 00:55:26,197 I'm still sitting here. 1027 00:55:26,614 --> 00:55:27,614 Um... 1028 00:55:27,657 --> 00:55:29,497 All right, I see someone walking out now. 1029 00:55:29,534 --> 00:55:31,345 - He's in a black... - Okay, I just... 1030 00:55:31,369 --> 00:55:33,413 I don't know, um... how people are dressed today. 1031 00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:37,459 I go into the lobby of the FBI headquarters. 1032 00:55:39,502 --> 00:55:42,172 And when I get up there they start saying, 1033 00:55:42,255 --> 00:55:44,549 "What's the... What's the matter, Mr. Schneider?" Okay. 1034 00:55:45,091 --> 00:55:46,092 I'm losing it. 1035 00:55:46,176 --> 00:55:48,821 You have a person here that's almost creating a scene. 1036 00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:51,115 Sir, I'm going to ask you to leave the premises. 1037 00:55:51,139 --> 00:55:53,284 Sir, I don't think you have the right to do that. 1038 00:55:53,308 --> 00:55:55,745 - Yes, I do. - Okay, well, where do I go for safety? 1039 00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,169 I don't care where you go, but you can't stay here. 1040 00:55:58,563 --> 00:56:00,565 On the way home, I get chased again. 1041 00:56:01,566 --> 00:56:04,486 If you see anything suspicious while you pull up, okay? 1042 00:56:04,569 --> 00:56:07,781 - You got to call 911, okay? - All right. 1043 00:56:07,864 --> 00:56:10,744 He told me to leave work, that, "Somebody might be following me to work." 1044 00:56:10,784 --> 00:56:13,620 You take care of Kristi, and you take care of your mama. 1045 00:56:13,703 --> 00:56:15,330 - Okay? All right? - Okay. 1046 00:56:15,413 --> 00:56:16,748 He sounded crazy. 1047 00:56:16,831 --> 00:56:18,750 He sounded like a crazy person. 1048 00:56:18,833 --> 00:56:21,461 I hope I'm overreacting. I hope I'm paranoid. Okay? 1049 00:56:21,544 --> 00:56:22,712 I called the sheriff. 1050 00:56:22,796 --> 00:56:24,589 I know you think this is a game, 1051 00:56:24,672 --> 00:56:27,050 but trust me, it's not a game. 1052 00:56:27,133 --> 00:56:30,678 I believe something's going on. Um, can anyone else meet you there? 1053 00:56:30,762 --> 00:56:31,930 I may be followed. 1054 00:56:32,931 --> 00:56:34,015 Okay? 1055 00:56:34,099 --> 00:56:36,139 I'll have, uh, someone from the substation 1056 00:56:36,184 --> 00:56:38,496 - meet you at the line. - Assuming I can make it there. 1057 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,240 - Okay, well... - I believe this Lincoln can make it. 1058 00:56:43,441 --> 00:56:46,194 Help me, God, and hopefully anybody else who hears this 1059 00:56:46,277 --> 00:56:47,320 because I'm losing it.