1 00:00:22,188 --> 00:00:23,231 I'm Dan Schneider. 2 00:00:24,190 --> 00:00:26,026 And I'm a pharmacist. 3 00:00:29,738 --> 00:00:32,073 I can almost remember every piece of my life. 4 00:00:34,534 --> 00:00:36,119 And it's kind of a crazy story. 5 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,749 If you keep it focused, we can go from the beginning. 6 00:00:41,624 --> 00:00:42,500 Okay, I can tell... 7 00:00:42,584 --> 00:00:44,895 I can try to tell a story, but how far do you want me to go 8 00:00:44,919 --> 00:00:45,754 before I stop? 9 00:00:45,837 --> 00:00:47,505 You know, what's your next question? 10 00:00:47,589 --> 00:00:49,299 You can go all the way to... 11 00:00:49,382 --> 00:00:52,510 Okay, okay. I'll try, I'll try. 12 00:00:53,595 --> 00:00:55,346 I've never tried to be an actor though. 13 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:57,474 Don't be an actor. You're a real guy! 14 00:01:04,773 --> 00:01:06,453 I guess some people would call me... 15 00:01:06,858 --> 00:01:08,943 obsessive, if you want to call it that. 16 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:11,738 You know, I have, like, 17 00:01:11,821 --> 00:01:13,698 hundreds of hours of videos 18 00:01:13,782 --> 00:01:15,158 and cassette tapes 19 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:17,786 from wiretapping phone conversations... 20 00:01:18,369 --> 00:01:19,788 about what happened to me. 21 00:01:21,247 --> 00:01:22,641 Let me just tell you something. 22 00:01:22,665 --> 00:01:23,833 It was very inappropriate, 23 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:26,461 the way the police went about doing what they did. 24 00:01:26,544 --> 00:01:29,130 Well, once again, Mr. Schneider, I resent the implication. 25 00:01:32,383 --> 00:01:34,010 My son was murdered... 26 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:36,805 buying crack in the Lower 9th Ward. 27 00:01:37,847 --> 00:01:41,392 The police have the attitude that it's another drug deal gone bad. 28 00:01:42,393 --> 00:01:44,562 And these kids maybe got what they deserved. 29 00:01:46,189 --> 00:01:49,359 You are not going to dictate to me. I'm talking. 30 00:01:49,442 --> 00:01:52,379 You don't talk to people like that who just lost a son. We lost a son. 31 00:01:52,403 --> 00:01:54,781 We just lost a son. He didn't lose a son, okay? 32 00:01:55,198 --> 00:01:56,407 He didn't lose a son! 33 00:01:57,450 --> 00:01:59,450 The New Orleans Police Department was corrupt 34 00:01:59,494 --> 00:02:01,079 and almost none of the murders 35 00:02:01,162 --> 00:02:02,413 were ever solved. 36 00:02:03,164 --> 00:02:05,792 But I was determined to get the killer off the street 37 00:02:05,875 --> 00:02:07,710 and if the police wasn't gonna do it, 38 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:09,045 I was gonna do it. 39 00:02:11,256 --> 00:02:13,466 In other news, a St. Bernard family 40 00:02:13,591 --> 00:02:15,093 is on a campaign for justice. 41 00:02:18,263 --> 00:02:20,181 I wasn't gonna let 'em knock me down. 42 00:02:20,807 --> 00:02:23,893 Twenty-three-year-old Danny Schneider was gunned down in his pickup truck. 43 00:02:23,977 --> 00:02:26,187 Police say that they have little to go on. 44 00:02:26,271 --> 00:02:28,106 Schneider's parents are grief-stricken. 45 00:02:28,189 --> 00:02:29,607 He was a good kid. 46 00:02:29,691 --> 00:02:31,025 He didn't deserve this. 47 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:34,863 In my fight to get Danny some justice, 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,823 I promise I will work hard... 49 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:39,200 to try to save other lives. 50 00:02:40,368 --> 00:02:42,871 At first, my mission was to get justice for my son. 51 00:02:43,454 --> 00:02:46,166 But then I started noticing, in the drugstore, 52 00:02:46,249 --> 00:02:49,752 an unusual amount of high-powered opiate prescriptions. 53 00:02:50,253 --> 00:02:52,547 Chalmette pharmacist Daniel Schneider says 54 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:55,341 he's taken a leave of absence from his drugstore job 55 00:02:55,425 --> 00:02:57,177 to crusade against the illegal use 56 00:02:57,260 --> 00:02:58,344 of OxyContin. 57 00:02:59,012 --> 00:03:01,973 There was a certain doctor using her license 58 00:03:02,056 --> 00:03:04,684 to virtually decimate my community. 59 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,037 Not only did I see malpractice... 60 00:03:07,061 --> 00:03:09,647 ...I saw corruption, I saw conspiracy. 61 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:12,192 People were dying every week. 62 00:03:13,443 --> 00:03:16,654 Eighteen, and 20, and 25-year-old kids. 63 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:19,199 I could see my son's face 64 00:03:19,282 --> 00:03:20,366 in their face. 65 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:22,731 I couldn't save my son. 66 00:03:23,119 --> 00:03:25,455 But I can save some other kids. 67 00:03:25,538 --> 00:03:28,166 And I'm not gonna let this drug 68 00:03:28,249 --> 00:03:29,249 continue to kill. 69 00:03:31,586 --> 00:03:32,586 I started realizing 70 00:03:33,296 --> 00:03:34,964 that there was a bigger mission here. 71 00:03:36,341 --> 00:03:38,968 OxyContin. It was produced by Purdue Pharma. 72 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:42,972 And I saw this opiate epidemic... 73 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:44,056 ...in its infancy. 74 00:03:48,353 --> 00:03:51,022 We were creating addicts all over this country. 75 00:03:51,105 --> 00:03:53,858 Purdue could have done things to stop this, 76 00:03:53,942 --> 00:03:55,652 but they saw the profits. 77 00:03:55,735 --> 00:03:58,029 Not only were they white-collar criminals... 78 00:03:59,030 --> 00:04:00,490 they were white-collar murderers. 79 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:04,077 My son's killer paid a price. 80 00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:06,746 What about Purdue Pharma? 81 00:04:06,829 --> 00:04:08,039 What price have they paid? 82 00:04:08,873 --> 00:04:09,999 They gave birth to a crisis 83 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:12,377 that killed hundreds of thousands of people. 84 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:14,820 What price have they paid? 85 00:05:12,729 --> 00:05:15,982 St. Bernard Parish, it's right next to New Orleans. 86 00:05:20,111 --> 00:05:22,363 We used to call it God's Country. 87 00:05:23,406 --> 00:05:25,908 Kind of sandwiched between the Mississippi River 88 00:05:25,992 --> 00:05:28,286 and, really, the swamps. 89 00:05:30,621 --> 00:05:32,623 St. Bernard was basically middle-class. 90 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:35,543 We have two major oil refineries, 91 00:05:36,294 --> 00:05:39,130 and fishermen and crabbing and oystering. 92 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:44,260 Somebody's always selling shrimp on the side of the road. 93 00:05:48,931 --> 00:05:51,684 My dad used to take us, when we were little, me and my brother... 94 00:05:51,768 --> 00:05:53,061 He'd tell us on a Sunday, 95 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:55,271 "We're gonna take a ride to the end of the world." 96 00:05:56,356 --> 00:05:59,650 He would drive us down, way down deep into the parish... 97 00:06:00,985 --> 00:06:02,153 past Chalmette, 98 00:06:02,236 --> 00:06:03,654 Meraux, Poydras and Violet. 99 00:06:03,738 --> 00:06:04,781 Way down to the end 100 00:06:04,864 --> 00:06:06,532 where Delacroix Island was. 101 00:06:07,825 --> 00:06:09,327 And it was the Gulf of Mexico. 102 00:06:09,952 --> 00:06:12,121 And he'd just say, "Here's the waters." 103 00:06:13,456 --> 00:06:15,792 "Here's the Gulf. This is the end of the world to us." 104 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:18,586 And we always thought that was the end of the world 105 00:06:18,669 --> 00:06:19,669 for everybody. 106 00:06:26,302 --> 00:06:27,887 I started out in football 107 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:29,514 as a lineman. 108 00:06:30,556 --> 00:06:33,267 I actually had pretty good hands and I had great speed. 109 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:37,146 But I was blind as a bat. 110 00:06:38,523 --> 00:06:40,942 We had a tremendous football season. 111 00:06:43,069 --> 00:06:45,613 When I saw Annie, she was just the cutest thing. 112 00:06:46,781 --> 00:06:48,533 I was a grade lower than him. 113 00:06:49,659 --> 00:06:51,619 I liked his personality. 114 00:06:52,703 --> 00:06:55,790 I don't think I won her over because of my looks, okay? 115 00:06:56,499 --> 00:06:59,210 But we just really fell in love with each other. 116 00:07:00,461 --> 00:07:02,880 We got married a couple of years after high school. 117 00:07:06,092 --> 00:07:08,853 I really didn't know what I wanted to do, to be quite honest with you. 118 00:07:09,637 --> 00:07:12,265 A friend of mine talked about the pharmacists having a great job. 119 00:07:13,141 --> 00:07:15,685 Didn't have a great interest in it. It's just... 120 00:07:16,185 --> 00:07:18,396 I had to pick out something real quick 121 00:07:18,479 --> 00:07:22,608 where I could reach my goals of having kids and having a house. 122 00:07:26,154 --> 00:07:28,406 I became a pharmacist in 1975. 123 00:07:29,157 --> 00:07:32,410 I worked for Bradley's Pharmacy. 124 00:07:32,493 --> 00:07:34,871 You might call it a country drugstore. 125 00:07:36,414 --> 00:07:39,333 I enjoyed being able to interact with the patients, 126 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:41,836 being able to actually feel like I was helping 'em. 127 00:07:42,753 --> 00:07:45,923 I picked pharmacy and then I... I stuck with it. 128 00:07:46,007 --> 00:07:48,342 Aw, look who had a bath. 129 00:07:51,596 --> 00:07:55,349 We waited five years before we had our first child, Danny. 130 00:07:56,809 --> 00:07:59,020 It was wonderful to have a little boy to... 131 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:00,854 play with. 132 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:02,690 He was a good kid. 133 00:08:02,773 --> 00:08:04,525 Gentle and caring. 134 00:08:04,609 --> 00:08:06,903 He was just always happy. 135 00:08:10,990 --> 00:08:13,117 Then we had a daughter, Kristi. 136 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:17,330 My family was very, very close, growing up. 137 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:21,167 We did all kinds of family vacations together. 138 00:08:21,751 --> 00:08:23,377 There's the old Tin Lizzie. 139 00:08:23,878 --> 00:08:26,255 It was long travels. We would go across country. 140 00:08:27,298 --> 00:08:29,300 That's the Shenandoah Valley outlook. 141 00:08:32,136 --> 00:08:33,888 Here we are out in Alabama. 142 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:36,265 It looks like the Alabama tree. 143 00:08:36,349 --> 00:08:38,434 Many people thought we were like the Griswolds. 144 00:08:39,435 --> 00:08:41,938 Here we are. The Griswolds. 145 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:43,522 Shut up! 146 00:08:44,106 --> 00:08:45,983 We had the same type of car they had. 147 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:48,194 Danny was like Chevy Chase. 148 00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:51,197 Intercourse, Pennsylvania. 149 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,740 We just seen some Amish people. 150 00:08:52,823 --> 00:08:54,718 Amish people. 151 00:08:54,742 --> 00:08:56,911 As a matter of fact, when we had Christmas, 152 00:08:56,994 --> 00:09:00,248 you know, it was like we used to get this big, giant Christmas tree. 153 00:09:00,331 --> 00:09:03,000 A seventeen-foot Christmas tree, we'd have in our house. 154 00:09:03,626 --> 00:09:07,088 It was like Christmas Vacation every Christmas for almost 20 years. 155 00:09:07,672 --> 00:09:08,506 My dad, 156 00:09:08,589 --> 00:09:10,466 every year, wanted to get a tree... 157 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,593 Like the biggest tree you could get. 158 00:09:14,637 --> 00:09:16,222 This is 1989. 159 00:09:16,305 --> 00:09:17,890 My friends would come over 160 00:09:17,974 --> 00:09:20,476 and relatives would come over and help decorate it. 161 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,270 So it was like a family tradition. 162 00:09:23,437 --> 00:09:24,897 Okay, wait a minute. 163 00:09:27,233 --> 00:09:29,193 And it just felt like the perfect life. 164 00:09:29,777 --> 00:09:32,655 We didn't want for nothing else. We had everything. 165 00:09:35,116 --> 00:09:36,534 The Schneider clan. 166 00:09:37,827 --> 00:09:40,288 - Where are you, son? - Up here. 167 00:09:40,746 --> 00:09:42,832 Going on the plane from... 168 00:09:45,084 --> 00:09:47,837 My son was a really good-natured, compassionate kid. 169 00:09:49,463 --> 00:09:53,634 As he got a little bit older, he really became kind of like a peacenik. 170 00:09:55,678 --> 00:09:58,723 He was very creative. He liked to write poems. 171 00:09:59,307 --> 00:10:01,475 And a lot of my friends had crushes on Danny 172 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,977 and it used to aggravate me. 173 00:10:04,353 --> 00:10:06,606 Will he make it? Oh, Lord! 174 00:10:06,689 --> 00:10:08,316 Almost! 175 00:10:09,942 --> 00:10:12,069 Danny was a good dad. He was a doting dad. 176 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:16,282 He made sure, you know, the kids had what they needed and wanted. 177 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:19,452 Later on in life, when I had a few pennies, 178 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:21,412 I really wanted a project with Danny. 179 00:10:23,539 --> 00:10:26,584 Danny and I tore apart this Mustang. 180 00:10:27,877 --> 00:10:31,380 Pulled the motor out and worked on, uh, rebuilding the car. 181 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:35,593 We would go on long rides with that Mustang. 182 00:10:36,093 --> 00:10:37,386 We both loved that car. 183 00:10:42,099 --> 00:10:43,976 St. Bernard Parish was right down the street 184 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:45,144 below the Lower 9th Ward. 185 00:10:51,067 --> 00:10:54,153 One day, I took Danny to the Lower 9th Ward, 186 00:10:54,236 --> 00:10:55,446 which was in the city. 187 00:10:56,864 --> 00:11:00,034 And we drove and saw the house that my family came from. 188 00:11:01,118 --> 00:11:03,287 My family moved out of the 9th Ward 189 00:11:03,371 --> 00:11:05,956 during the era of what you might call the "white flight." 190 00:11:06,290 --> 00:11:07,291 It was racial. 191 00:11:10,795 --> 00:11:12,797 As a child growing up in the city, 192 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,590 a lot of African-Americans started 193 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,967 started buying homes in the Lower 9th Ward 194 00:11:17,468 --> 00:11:21,597 and white Americans moved into St. Bernard. 195 00:11:22,223 --> 00:11:24,100 And it's like two different worlds. 196 00:11:25,976 --> 00:11:29,772 At that time, it was a real, in-your-face type of racism. 197 00:11:30,314 --> 00:11:32,316 All the time, they would call you a nigger 198 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,736 or they would write it on the car or they would write it on something. 199 00:11:36,362 --> 00:11:38,614 That's what we grew up with, you know? 200 00:11:40,157 --> 00:11:43,869 It was basically called a city into a city. 201 00:11:44,453 --> 00:11:47,456 This day, I wanna be a girl's... 202 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:49,250 We used to play softball 203 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:50,584 on the levee. 204 00:11:51,585 --> 00:11:54,255 We would have little penny parties, 205 00:11:54,338 --> 00:11:55,548 waistline parties. 206 00:11:56,924 --> 00:11:59,844 As they would say, a wing dang doodle, 207 00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:02,638 when everybody would get together 208 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:04,515 and just basically have fun. 209 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:07,601 But, in the '80s, 210 00:12:08,185 --> 00:12:09,520 the neighborhood had... 211 00:12:10,271 --> 00:12:11,647 had totally changed. 212 00:12:12,148 --> 00:12:14,418 The housing projects and streets of New Orleans 213 00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:16,944 are filled with people who are hooked on crack cocaine. 214 00:12:20,156 --> 00:12:21,240 By that time, 215 00:12:21,782 --> 00:12:24,201 the crack epidemic was setting in. 216 00:12:25,161 --> 00:12:26,537 It just got real bad. 217 00:12:29,957 --> 00:12:32,168 I grew up in the Lower 9th Ward. 218 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:35,463 And it was a place... 219 00:12:36,297 --> 00:12:37,757 that we considered as hell. 220 00:12:38,883 --> 00:12:41,051 You see white folks down here, you... 221 00:12:41,135 --> 00:12:44,138 "Are you not the police? Or are you looking to score something?" 222 00:12:44,764 --> 00:12:46,644 The neighborhood that I was in, in the 9th Ward, 223 00:12:46,724 --> 00:12:47,850 that's all that came around. 224 00:12:48,476 --> 00:12:50,352 They was all from St. Bernard Parish, 225 00:12:50,811 --> 00:12:52,563 you know, coming down to buy drugs. 226 00:12:55,483 --> 00:12:58,819 I had been aware at the time that a number of kids from St. Bernard 227 00:12:58,903 --> 00:13:01,197 had gotten shot to death up in the 9th Ward, 228 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,323 buying drugs. 229 00:13:03,032 --> 00:13:04,784 And, much as I hate to say it... 230 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:07,453 I heard about it and read it in the paper and... 231 00:13:08,204 --> 00:13:11,999 my attitude at that time, and I'm not proud of it, okay, was... 232 00:13:12,416 --> 00:13:13,416 Well... 233 00:13:14,418 --> 00:13:16,003 "Kids shouldn't have been up there." 234 00:13:19,006 --> 00:13:21,383 And now we're going into the Schneider house. 235 00:13:21,842 --> 00:13:24,345 Let's see what's going on in here on Christmas Day. 236 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:27,973 What you got, Danny? 237 00:13:28,682 --> 00:13:31,644 Danny had some difficulty, his senior year. 238 00:13:32,645 --> 00:13:33,979 He barely graduated. 239 00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:37,233 Some people could say these were warning signs, 240 00:13:37,316 --> 00:13:39,036 but, at the time, we really couldn't see it. 241 00:13:40,528 --> 00:13:42,446 He went to Nunez Community College. 242 00:13:43,072 --> 00:13:46,534 And even though he was 22 years of age, he was still living with us. 243 00:13:48,035 --> 00:13:50,120 He worked at Pizza Hut at night. 244 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,834 He had purchased a brand-new Ford Ranger pickup truck. 245 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:58,420 And, uh, he was really excited about that. 246 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:02,591 His girlfriend had a scholarship 247 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:05,302 to the University of Mississippi, so he would drive 248 00:14:05,386 --> 00:14:07,471 back and forth to Hattiesburg every weekend 249 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:09,723 to see his girlfriend, which was a long way. 250 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:12,518 I think Danny was just struggling 251 00:14:12,601 --> 00:14:14,770 with what to do with himself. 252 00:14:15,938 --> 00:14:19,483 Wednesday, 2:45 a.m. 253 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:22,444 Hey, baby, um... 254 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:25,239 Just calling to say I love you. 255 00:14:26,615 --> 00:14:29,201 Um... I can't wait to talk to you... 256 00:14:30,077 --> 00:14:31,077 tonight. 257 00:14:31,954 --> 00:14:34,790 I'll talk to you later. I hope you're having a good day. 258 00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:36,959 I love you. Bye. 259 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:58,814 Well, I was just downstairs on the computer, doing my own thing and... 260 00:14:59,398 --> 00:15:01,650 Danny came down the stairs and talked to my parents 261 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:03,235 and said he was leaving the house. 262 00:15:06,238 --> 00:15:08,407 "I'm going to a friend's house tonight 263 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:11,493 to study for a test that I have tomorrow in school." 264 00:15:14,121 --> 00:15:16,624 "Okay, don't be too late. You've got school tomorrow." 265 00:15:16,707 --> 00:15:18,125 You know, so he said, "I won't." 266 00:15:18,709 --> 00:15:21,378 He said, "Love y'all," and he left. He said, "I'll be back soon." 267 00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:26,425 I heard him go out the back door and leave, 268 00:15:26,508 --> 00:15:27,508 and that was it. 269 00:15:34,016 --> 00:15:34,850 I'm not sure. 270 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:37,102 I think it was around 12 o'clock that night. 271 00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:41,774 I was standing in front of my mom's house. 272 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:45,361 And as the red truck passed us, 273 00:15:45,444 --> 00:15:47,029 I could see it was a white guy. 274 00:15:49,907 --> 00:15:51,075 My friend, he said... 275 00:15:51,867 --> 00:15:53,869 "Who that is? 'Cause he was looking at you." 276 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:55,704 I said, "I don't know who that is." 277 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:09,760 At two o'clock in the morning, we got a loud knock on the door. 278 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,264 I woke Danny up and said, 279 00:16:14,348 --> 00:16:16,910 "Somebody's knocking at our door. It's two o'clock in the morning. 280 00:16:16,934 --> 00:16:18,014 Who can that be?" You know? 281 00:16:20,229 --> 00:16:22,815 There were two policemen at the front door and they came in 282 00:16:22,898 --> 00:16:24,138 and said, "We'd like to come in 283 00:16:24,191 --> 00:16:26,026 and discuss something with you." 284 00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:32,700 They said they found our son in the 9th Ward in New Orleans. 285 00:16:33,951 --> 00:16:37,371 I said, "No, my son's upstairs sleeping. I don't know what you're talking about." 286 00:16:39,748 --> 00:16:41,542 I just ran to his room... 287 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:44,086 to see if he was sleeping. 288 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,090 I said, "Okay, well, 289 00:16:48,173 --> 00:16:50,759 we'll go get dressed. I guess we'll get dressed." 290 00:16:51,385 --> 00:16:53,262 We got into the sheriff's car. 291 00:16:54,847 --> 00:16:57,099 We're going, "Where did y'all say his truck was at?" 292 00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:58,809 And, "It's in the 9th Ward." 293 00:16:58,892 --> 00:17:01,729 We said, "We want to pass where you said his truck was at 294 00:17:01,812 --> 00:17:03,147 before you go any further." 295 00:17:11,238 --> 00:17:14,408 Sitting there, watching that scene of the cops 296 00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:15,701 around a red truck... 297 00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:19,121 and me knowing... 298 00:17:19,413 --> 00:17:20,789 what just took place... 299 00:17:22,082 --> 00:17:23,667 It was unbelievable to me. 300 00:17:23,751 --> 00:17:26,628 But it was believable because it's right in my face. 301 00:17:28,338 --> 00:17:30,716 When you're from the Lower 9th Ward... 302 00:17:31,341 --> 00:17:32,760 you don't snitch. 303 00:17:33,719 --> 00:17:35,012 You don't snitch. 304 00:17:37,806 --> 00:17:40,017 Police department drove past the scene 305 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:43,020 and this all started hitting me in the face that there was a drug deal. 306 00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:48,025 He was buying crack in the 9th Ward. I couldn't believe it. 307 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:50,193 They said... 308 00:17:50,527 --> 00:17:51,653 "Your son was shot." 309 00:17:53,155 --> 00:17:54,698 And I said, "What hospital is he in?" 310 00:17:54,782 --> 00:17:57,910 And then they had to reiterate, "No, no, he's dead." 311 00:17:58,827 --> 00:18:00,454 So... 312 00:18:15,385 --> 00:18:17,554 ...at Virginia Beach. 313 00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:29,399 I went over there and Annie opened the front door 314 00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:30,483 of the house. 315 00:18:31,026 --> 00:18:33,737 And she fell on the floor. 316 00:18:36,156 --> 00:18:37,157 They were... 317 00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:39,367 beyond... 318 00:18:40,577 --> 00:18:41,577 Beyond help. 319 00:18:44,915 --> 00:18:48,919 The day after, me and my wife stayed in bed all day. 320 00:18:51,338 --> 00:18:53,173 We thought about committing suicide... 321 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:55,424 as a family. 322 00:18:56,260 --> 00:18:57,719 We actually thought about it. 323 00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:01,515 'Cause we just couldn't see a future. 324 00:19:05,269 --> 00:19:09,731 Why did he have to take him so soon? 325 00:19:12,276 --> 00:19:15,237 Why did he have to take him so soon? 326 00:19:16,405 --> 00:19:19,491 He could have waited. 327 00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:26,999 I can't answer that, baby. 328 00:19:28,375 --> 00:19:31,336 I don't think he just took him. I think it just happened, Annie. 329 00:19:32,754 --> 00:19:34,673 Things sometimes just happen, Annie. 330 00:19:34,756 --> 00:19:36,717 People in the wrong place at the wrong time. 331 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,260 ...he got a motorcycle... 332 00:19:38,343 --> 00:19:39,463 It might have made him 333 00:19:39,511 --> 00:19:42,514 a special angel, it may have given him a place in heaven. 334 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:46,310 All you can think is that he's in heaven. 335 00:19:46,602 --> 00:19:49,271 And that we're gonna be there with him... 336 00:19:49,855 --> 00:19:50,855 someday. 337 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:53,609 I could have just been a little bit 338 00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:55,485 more lenient with Danny a little earlier. 339 00:19:56,403 --> 00:19:58,363 I mean, if I could've just sat down with him 340 00:19:58,447 --> 00:20:00,490 and said, "Danny, you can tell me anything." 341 00:20:00,991 --> 00:20:02,701 I should have been there for him. 342 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:08,892 Baby, we were here for him. He could have came here this last night. 343 00:20:09,833 --> 00:20:11,673 He could have came in this room that last night 344 00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:14,046 and said, "Mom and Daddy, I'm in trouble. 345 00:20:14,463 --> 00:20:17,090 I feel like I've got to go up there and buy dope. Okay? 346 00:20:18,175 --> 00:20:20,886 And I don't want to, Daddy. Help me, Daddy." 347 00:20:26,141 --> 00:20:28,644 Why couldn't he tell us he was doing that? 348 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,688 So we could help him. 349 00:20:32,689 --> 00:20:34,483 He was proud. He was too proud, baby. 350 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,675 He was too proud to admit that he... 351 00:20:38,654 --> 00:20:39,696 ...was getting addicted. 352 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,242 - That stuff gets hold of you. - I should have watched him closer. 353 00:20:43,325 --> 00:20:46,453 - I shouldn't have let him do that. - Baby, baby, it wasn't your fault. 354 00:21:05,722 --> 00:21:06,890 Dan told me 355 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:08,392 that he didn't even think... 356 00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:10,769 that anybody killed Danny. 357 00:21:11,228 --> 00:21:13,272 That was the furthest thing from his mind. 358 00:21:13,855 --> 00:21:17,025 He knew Danny was shot, but he just couldn't even think... 359 00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:18,986 that there was a crime. 360 00:21:20,988 --> 00:21:23,115 One day it hit me, my son had been murdered. 361 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:26,952 I started moving into the investigation phase, 362 00:21:27,035 --> 00:21:28,495 you might say, you know, we... 363 00:21:28,912 --> 00:21:31,581 There was a killer out there and we wanted to find his killer. 364 00:21:35,168 --> 00:21:36,837 Around the time of Danny's death, 365 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,505 New Orleans had a reputation 366 00:21:39,464 --> 00:21:41,300 of "the murder capital of America." 367 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,011 And almost none of 'em got solved. 368 00:21:45,887 --> 00:21:48,447 New Orleans will set a record for homicides this year. 369 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:49,516 It has, by far, 370 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:52,311 the highest murder rate of any big city in the nation. 371 00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:54,813 The reasons most often cited for the increase: 372 00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:56,898 kids, guns and drugs. 373 00:21:58,942 --> 00:22:00,982 At the time, the New Orleans Police Department 374 00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:04,823 were the poster children for how not to run a police agency. 375 00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:07,510 In the past three years, more than 100 police officers 376 00:22:07,534 --> 00:22:09,453 have been suspended, fired, arrested 377 00:22:09,536 --> 00:22:11,997 or convicted of a wide variety of serious crimes, 378 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,790 ranging from bribery to murder. 379 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,168 If you're a guy in that situation, 380 00:22:16,251 --> 00:22:19,379 it's hard to have a high degree of confidence in the police. 381 00:22:20,589 --> 00:22:23,469 - Investigations. - Hi, yes, is this Sergeant Fanguy? 382 00:22:23,967 --> 00:22:26,529 - Yes, it is. - How are you doing? This is Dan Schneider. 383 00:22:26,553 --> 00:22:29,033 I knew I was gonna have an uphill battle with the police. 384 00:22:29,556 --> 00:22:31,350 They kind of almost have the attitude 385 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:34,061 that these kind of kids maybe got what they deserved. 386 00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:37,147 Once out of every 200 dope deals, 387 00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:39,441 somebody gets stupid and then somebody gets shot. 388 00:22:39,524 --> 00:22:41,318 I know, but let me just tell you, 389 00:22:41,401 --> 00:22:42,903 my boy was not stupid. 390 00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:45,781 I'm telling you, he did not give the money to the guy, 391 00:22:45,864 --> 00:22:47,784 and the guy upped with the pistol and popped him. 392 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,886 - Okay? And... - So you think he tried... 393 00:22:49,910 --> 00:22:51,230 And I can tell you that, 394 00:22:51,286 --> 00:22:52,686 with all the murders we've handled, 395 00:22:52,746 --> 00:22:54,831 the white kids coming from St. Bernard Parish, 396 00:22:54,915 --> 00:22:58,418 that's the exact parameters of what takes place 397 00:22:58,502 --> 00:22:59,711 and that's the outcome. 398 00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:01,715 But why would my son beat 'em for the dope? 399 00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:03,515 My son don't wanna die. My son is not stupid. 400 00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:04,424 Guess what? 401 00:23:04,508 --> 00:23:06,319 None of those other people who got shot and killed 402 00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:07,386 wanted to die either. 403 00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:10,972 A sergeant lit into me. 404 00:23:11,056 --> 00:23:12,933 He said, "Your son's a spoiled brat. 405 00:23:13,016 --> 00:23:14,643 He's nothing but a crackhead. 406 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:17,229 If you go above me or below me, 407 00:23:17,729 --> 00:23:20,023 I'll make sure your son's case is destroyed." 408 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:23,902 I was shocked 409 00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:25,821 that he could talk to me like that, okay? 410 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:27,322 After we'd just lost our son. 411 00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:31,701 It was from that point on that I started recording these guys. 412 00:23:35,163 --> 00:23:37,016 What are you doing calling my house 413 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,291 at seven in the morning? 414 00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:40,478 We're not gonna jerk people off the street 415 00:23:40,502 --> 00:23:41,795 and pull them into the station 416 00:23:41,878 --> 00:23:44,758 - because somebody wants it done. - You think you're the police. 417 00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:47,342 You think you have all the theories, okay? 418 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,028 I'm not gonna sit here and go through this. 419 00:23:49,052 --> 00:23:51,805 I've been a policeman for 25 years. 420 00:23:53,181 --> 00:23:54,433 My son had been murdered. 421 00:23:55,308 --> 00:23:56,977 Somebody out there took his life. 422 00:23:58,061 --> 00:23:59,981 I was determined to get the killer off the street 423 00:24:00,021 --> 00:24:02,607 and, if the police wasn't gonna do it, I was gonna do it. 424 00:24:06,862 --> 00:24:09,906 While some people are paralyzed by grief 425 00:24:10,031 --> 00:24:12,576 and don't know what to do and can't get out of bed 426 00:24:12,659 --> 00:24:15,328 and turn to alcohol or drugs or whatever, 427 00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:16,329 Dan didn't do that. 428 00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:21,042 Dan channeled all of that grief into, "I'm gonna get to the bottom of this. 429 00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:22,752 I'm gonna find out who killed my son." 430 00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:28,717 The first thing that we did, 431 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,594 we called the TV stations in, 432 00:24:30,677 --> 00:24:31,803 so we could get publicity. 433 00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:33,072 The St. Bernard family 434 00:24:33,096 --> 00:24:35,098 is on a campaign for justice. 435 00:24:36,391 --> 00:24:39,352 We made a little memorial up there. We said a prayer. 436 00:24:40,228 --> 00:24:43,732 Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 437 00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:45,650 All we did was cry all morning. 438 00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:48,278 You just get sick with crying and then you just feel like 439 00:24:48,361 --> 00:24:49,613 you have to do something. 440 00:24:49,696 --> 00:24:51,490 Putting up posters, 441 00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:53,825 walking the streets, questioning people. 442 00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:56,953 They hope that someone may recognize Schneider's picture 443 00:24:57,037 --> 00:24:58,747 and provide a clue to his killer. 444 00:24:59,831 --> 00:25:01,751 He started talking to people and, in fact, 445 00:25:01,791 --> 00:25:03,502 canvassing the neighborhood. 446 00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:05,545 At which point in time, I told him that... 447 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,925 that was probably a really, really bad thing to do. 448 00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:13,803 That he was gonna be the next victim of a gunshot wound in the Lower 9th Ward. 449 00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:18,304 I seen them walking 450 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:19,518 along the block. 451 00:25:21,061 --> 00:25:23,730 I knew they didn't belong in the neighborhood 452 00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:27,484 because if it wasn't an insurance man or the bill collector... 453 00:25:29,069 --> 00:25:30,320 they didn't belong there. 454 00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:34,699 I wouldn't have the balls to go door-to-door on the Lower 9th Ward 455 00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:35,867 with a gun on me. 456 00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:38,662 We had officers shadow him. 457 00:25:39,955 --> 00:25:42,249 It was just like, "He's got to be crazy. 458 00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:45,293 What's wrong with him, coming in here, doing all this here?" 459 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:46,586 He was that bold. 460 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:49,297 He was that bold. He wanted... He wanted answers. 461 00:25:51,174 --> 00:25:53,260 We went and met with some of the churches. 462 00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:54,511 And they prayed with us. 463 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,223 I remember Dan and his wife 464 00:25:58,306 --> 00:25:59,766 coming to our family meeting... 465 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:03,353 and, um, speaking about the loss of their son. 466 00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:05,897 I just remember that he was very hurt. 467 00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:08,775 I call it a "question mark" pain. 468 00:26:09,901 --> 00:26:12,279 "I can't live with this question mark." 469 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,407 Elder Reed said, "You know, Mr. Schneider, 470 00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:16,908 we'll walk the streets with you. 471 00:26:18,034 --> 00:26:19,619 We will go house-to-house, 472 00:26:19,703 --> 00:26:22,205 and we'll let you ask the questions and we'll be there with you 473 00:26:22,289 --> 00:26:24,583 as moral support and protection." 474 00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:27,168 I just said, "I'll help you." 475 00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:29,588 'Cause I felt his pain. 476 00:26:30,755 --> 00:26:33,592 He was in a lot of pain and he was angry. 477 00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:37,429 And I thought that was a good recipe to get yourself killed 478 00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:38,597 in this neighborhood. 479 00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,978 Sad to say, but we haven't really been able 480 00:26:45,061 --> 00:26:47,731 to locate anyone who's been willing to come forward 481 00:26:47,814 --> 00:26:49,816 who may have witnessed the incident 482 00:26:49,899 --> 00:26:52,059 or who may have any information regarding the incident. 483 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:59,242 So many unsolvedmurders in New Orleans. 484 00:27:00,243 --> 00:27:02,037 Because nobody was coming forward. 485 00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:04,580 What do you do? 486 00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:06,665 What do you do? 487 00:27:07,125 --> 00:27:09,044 - How are you doing? - Good, Danny. 488 00:27:09,127 --> 00:27:12,088 Debbie Marino, good, good friend of ours. 489 00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:15,175 She handed me a check for, like, $2,000. 490 00:27:15,842 --> 00:27:19,804 And other people, family members and friends, put in money. 491 00:27:20,388 --> 00:27:23,058 - The reward fund is up to $10,000. - Ten thousand dollars. 492 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:24,809 Ten thousand dollars on the table. 493 00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:27,646 Call Crimestoppers at 822-1111. 494 00:27:27,729 --> 00:27:31,399 It was explained to me that the person would be anonymous 495 00:27:31,566 --> 00:27:33,652 and that only upon indictment 496 00:27:33,985 --> 00:27:36,071 would they actually receive their reward. 497 00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:38,865 And a reminder, you do not have to give your name. 498 00:27:38,948 --> 00:27:40,508 That's one big concern with the family. 499 00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:42,994 They feel anybody in the neighborhood who may know something 500 00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:45,246 is afraid to come forward and tell what they know. 501 00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:47,666 When the reward was just at $1,000, 502 00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:50,710 it was just like, "Yeah, okay, that's another murder happened, 503 00:27:50,794 --> 00:27:52,587 you know, that ain't gonna get solved." 504 00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:56,800 Well, when $10,000 came up, 505 00:27:56,883 --> 00:27:59,302 they had people pulling them flyers down 506 00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:00,970 wanting to talk. 507 00:28:08,853 --> 00:28:10,355 Yes? Sergeant Fanguy. 508 00:28:10,897 --> 00:28:12,857 Thank you, Sergeant. What you got? 509 00:28:13,566 --> 00:28:15,276 Uh... wanted to let you know 510 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,030 that we found out who the shooter was on your son's case. 511 00:28:21,324 --> 00:28:22,659 Thank you. 512 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:24,285 Do we have any witnesses? 513 00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:25,995 We do have an eyewitness. 514 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:26,955 Okay. 515 00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:28,758 The kid has picked his picture out. 516 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:30,710 We're getting ready to take a statement from him. 517 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:36,005 Uh, he corroborates a lot of things based on evidence at the scene. 518 00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:39,801 And they went out to a young man 519 00:28:39,884 --> 00:28:40,885 named Jeffery Hall. 520 00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:43,513 He was about 15 years of age. 521 00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:48,476 Apparently, Jeffery saw it all. 522 00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:52,496 They were questioning me about it, you know, and, um... 523 00:28:53,273 --> 00:28:54,274 I gave them... 524 00:28:55,066 --> 00:28:57,610 to the best of my ability, what I could remember. 525 00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:03,908 This juvenile, that's the witness... 526 00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:06,619 - Yeah. - ...sold drugs to your son before. 527 00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:09,080 - Wow. - He knew your son. 528 00:29:09,622 --> 00:29:12,167 He was walking towards your son when he saw him pulling up, 529 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,336 but the other boy was standing there first and he approached your son. 530 00:29:15,795 --> 00:29:17,064 Oh, so somebody beat him to it. 531 00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:17,922 Right. 532 00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:19,859 So this guy probably wouldn't have blown my son away. 533 00:29:19,883 --> 00:29:22,802 - He would probably have dealt with my son. - Right. Right. 534 00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:28,933 And, according to the witness, the guy upped with the pistol 535 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:30,685 - and shot him. - Okay. 536 00:29:31,186 --> 00:29:32,186 Okay. 537 00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:33,729 Wow. 538 00:29:36,107 --> 00:29:36,941 So, 539 00:29:37,025 --> 00:29:39,694 he just picked the suspect's picture out of a lineup. 540 00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:44,741 And the suspect was a guy named Scarface. 541 00:29:46,659 --> 00:29:48,745 Scarface was a person in the neighborhood 542 00:29:48,828 --> 00:29:51,372 who was known for doing bad things. 543 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:54,292 Jacking, killing, robbing. Just... 544 00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:56,961 Anything bad, Scarface did it. 545 00:29:58,338 --> 00:30:00,882 The way he describes how the shooting took place, 546 00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:03,051 he'd have had to been there to see it go down. 547 00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:05,220 I'm gonna have the warrant 548 00:30:05,303 --> 00:30:07,555 put in the computer immediately. 549 00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:09,808 He could be arrested in the next 30 minutes. 550 00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:11,392 Oh, boy. 551 00:30:11,851 --> 00:30:15,188 You've taken about a thousand pounds off my back, I think. 552 00:30:27,075 --> 00:30:28,235 Well, the next morning, 553 00:30:28,409 --> 00:30:29,849 the lieutenant called me and said... 554 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:32,747 "Mr. Schneider, I'm sorry to say this, but, uh... 555 00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:36,292 your son's murder isn't solved. 556 00:30:37,043 --> 00:30:40,255 We went out to arrest that killer, but we found out that killer was in jail 557 00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:42,715 and he had been in jail the night your son was murdered... 558 00:30:44,467 --> 00:30:45,947 so he couldn't have been the killer." 559 00:30:47,387 --> 00:30:49,639 The DA told me the case was pretty weak. 560 00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:52,058 Because of all the confusion, 561 00:30:52,141 --> 00:30:55,603 it was gonna be hard to actually charge the case. 562 00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:59,023 I mean, he has made contradictory statements, as I told you. 563 00:30:59,732 --> 00:31:02,360 He's really lost a lot of his credibility. 564 00:31:02,944 --> 00:31:05,113 I didn't actually, you know, know the guy. 565 00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:07,907 I knew him, but I couldn't point him out. 566 00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:10,034 You said that you were gonna recommend 567 00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:11,638 that the case, at this time, be, uh... 568 00:31:12,161 --> 00:31:13,872 - Refused. - Just refused. 569 00:31:13,955 --> 00:31:16,499 That the testimony is insufficient to prove this crime. 570 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:21,629 I didn't trust the cops or the DA. 571 00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:24,549 I thought that if we could get the DA 572 00:31:24,632 --> 00:31:26,092 to re-interview this witness, 573 00:31:26,175 --> 00:31:28,636 maybe we could get the story straight and have a case. 574 00:31:30,388 --> 00:31:33,016 I said, "I'd like to bring the witness back in. 575 00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:34,434 Can you give me his address?" 576 00:31:39,939 --> 00:31:42,400 I started reflecting on where he grew up. 577 00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:44,527 And I found out 578 00:31:44,611 --> 00:31:48,740 that the conditions he came up in had been really bad. 579 00:31:51,117 --> 00:31:52,911 It was a struggle every day, man. 580 00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:54,579 You know, Mom had a problem... 581 00:31:55,204 --> 00:31:57,081 you know, that I didn't understand. 582 00:31:59,042 --> 00:32:02,670 Seeing my mom on drugs was real painful for me. 583 00:32:03,546 --> 00:32:04,547 One time, 584 00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:06,424 I was 11 years old... 585 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:07,799 Um... 586 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:10,678 I took her drugs and her paraphernalia 587 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:12,347 and I took it and threw it away 588 00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:14,682 and told her she was gonna get off this stuff. 589 00:32:15,725 --> 00:32:17,226 And she taught me a lesson. 590 00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:22,315 Turned on the stove. 591 00:32:22,815 --> 00:32:25,401 She called some people and held me off 592 00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:28,404 and held my arm, held my two legs and... 593 00:32:28,988 --> 00:32:31,741 she took my hand and put it on the fire, like this. 594 00:32:33,826 --> 00:32:37,288 And that's what really led me to being affiliated in the streets. 595 00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:43,378 Being the age that I was and in that situation I was in... 596 00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,506 it was a constant challenge and struggle for me. 597 00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:49,300 I was scared more than anything. 598 00:32:53,471 --> 00:32:56,349 Danny was hoping that this young man 599 00:32:56,432 --> 00:32:58,351 could actually help us 600 00:32:58,434 --> 00:33:00,937 find the killer of our son 601 00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:02,981 and he believed in him. 602 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:09,070 It's, uh... I think it's July 28th. 603 00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:10,988 I, uh... 604 00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:14,325 need some help today. Today's an important day 605 00:33:14,409 --> 00:33:17,078 in my fight to get Danny some justice. 606 00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:20,456 Today's the day, God, that Jeffery Hall, 607 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,208 who is the witness... 608 00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:24,043 The DA's gonna interview him. 609 00:33:24,544 --> 00:33:27,463 I've had a couple conversations with the kid. 610 00:33:28,131 --> 00:33:30,466 He's scared to death. He's scared of the police. 611 00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:32,260 The people on the street. 612 00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:34,554 He's afraid he might have to appear in court. 613 00:33:35,555 --> 00:33:38,725 I need God to get inside him and get the whole truth. 614 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:39,808 God... 615 00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:42,061 help him get in the car with me today. 616 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,567 I need him in court, God. I need the boy to be brave. 617 00:33:47,650 --> 00:33:50,069 And I need you to protect him. 618 00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:54,032 Please. I know you can't give me my boy back... 619 00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:55,866 on Earth... 620 00:33:57,326 --> 00:33:59,662 but you could have an effect on this young man. 621 00:34:01,914 --> 00:34:05,126 He was on my front step seeking answers, wanting answers. 622 00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:10,631 I was already recording a lot of people, so I felt like 623 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:12,925 that was a great opportunity. 624 00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:14,802 And I wired my car... 625 00:34:15,511 --> 00:34:17,055 with a recording device... 626 00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:21,184 and put it in the trunk of the car with a wire that went to the back seat. 627 00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:25,396 I figured that maybe I could get some revealing information. 628 00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:33,821 It's the corner here. Jeff, you were riding up here? 629 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,065 Danny and them were right here on this block. 630 00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:40,078 So by the time I got down, Danny made the block... 631 00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:43,081 Scarface, you know, was right here. 632 00:34:43,623 --> 00:34:44,703 Scarface, right here? 633 00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:46,459 Okay, but the first night... 634 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:49,420 This is where I'm confused, because this is what messes up the case. 635 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:51,297 They showed him some pictures. 636 00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:53,299 He finally picked out somebody that first night. 637 00:34:53,382 --> 00:34:55,635 - Mm-hmm. - Why did you pick out that guy? 638 00:34:55,718 --> 00:34:57,345 I was just lying, you know. 639 00:34:58,054 --> 00:35:00,014 I just did. I was scared for my life. 640 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,534 You were scared and you thought that would get you out of it? 641 00:35:02,558 --> 00:35:03,392 That's the damn problem. 642 00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,479 The DA can't just disregard that first statement. 643 00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:08,523 Jeffery, you're gonna have to do your best to let that DA know. 644 00:35:09,065 --> 00:35:11,225 You've got to try to come across truthful to him now... 645 00:35:11,734 --> 00:35:13,528 so that it means a little more to him. 646 00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:16,078 You know, in his opinion, you could just be... 647 00:35:16,364 --> 00:35:18,801 - Telling him anything. - You could be saying anything. 648 00:35:18,825 --> 00:35:21,385 You were lying the first time and you were lying the second time. 649 00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:22,730 - Right. - And so... 650 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,372 You just tell the truth. 651 00:35:24,455 --> 00:35:26,141 There ain't no way they're gonna nail you on this. 652 00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:28,084 I'll make damn sure. Okay? 653 00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:29,167 Alright. 654 00:35:40,096 --> 00:35:42,223 The DA re-interviewed him. 655 00:35:42,723 --> 00:35:44,183 And then, the next day, 656 00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:45,977 I talk to the DA and he says, "Look," 657 00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:47,770 he says, "It didn't get any better. 658 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:50,314 He contradicts himself." 659 00:35:52,024 --> 00:35:55,153 "Jeffery Hall is not a credible witness any longer." 660 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,613 "What do I do from here?" 661 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,706 I was told, "You've got to find another witness. 662 00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:09,667 You're not gonna get a prosecution unless you get a witness." 663 00:36:10,459 --> 00:36:12,479 It's not a point of going through the motions. 664 00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:14,964 It's a point of making a good case that you can prosecute. 665 00:36:15,047 --> 00:36:18,259 They're not gonna accept this case unless we produce additional witnesses. 666 00:36:18,968 --> 00:36:21,262 We need a witness or we need evidence. 667 00:36:22,221 --> 00:36:24,182 I started looking for witnesses. 668 00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:27,101 I was starting to walk the streets again and put posters up. 669 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:31,439 Some of the drug dealers had put a bounty out on him 670 00:36:32,064 --> 00:36:35,193 to stop him from coming in that neighborhood. 671 00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:37,689 He wasn't sleeping. 672 00:36:37,737 --> 00:36:40,448 He was up constantly, investigating. 673 00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:43,242 And I didn't want him to go in the 9th Ward and get killed. 674 00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:46,245 Then I wouldn't have my dad or my brother. 675 00:36:48,164 --> 00:36:50,333 I was scared, you know, all the time. 676 00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:53,127 "You have me to worry about 677 00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:56,380 and you have your daughter to worry about, okay? 678 00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,633 And we're still here, you know?" 679 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,678 You need to leave the dust settle 680 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:04,722 right where it's at, right now. 681 00:37:04,805 --> 00:37:06,525 I'm trying to help, but I'm not trying 682 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,100 to get in your business, okay? 683 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:12,480 He came to my office and put the recorder on my desk and said, "Listen to this." 684 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:14,357 I say, 685 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,692 "You crazy fuck." 686 00:37:16,901 --> 00:37:20,738 You know, "We're gonna be scraping you off the street out there." 687 00:37:22,865 --> 00:37:25,576 I didn't really believe in guns, and so I chose to go up there 688 00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:26,494 without a gun. 689 00:37:26,577 --> 00:37:29,163 But one of my friends was so concerned about me 690 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,873 that he decided to ride with me. 691 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:32,333 He says, "We'll go up there 692 00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:35,378 and you can do your interviewing and you can do your questioning, okay? 693 00:37:35,461 --> 00:37:37,004 And I'll be in the car with a gun." 694 00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:39,465 And we pulled over the car 695 00:37:39,548 --> 00:37:42,802 and right next to us was a guy, he's a retired drug dealer. 696 00:37:43,511 --> 00:37:46,222 He asked me the details, he asked me the names of the suspects, 697 00:37:46,305 --> 00:37:48,391 you know, what corner it was on and all this. 698 00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:49,308 And he says, "Okay." 699 00:37:49,392 --> 00:37:52,103 He says, "I'm pretty sure I can find out which one it is. 700 00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:54,146 Okay? And verify that... 701 00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:55,981 they killed him. 702 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,818 Do you want me to have him killed?" 703 00:38:06,742 --> 00:38:08,536 I don't know what world I'm in anymore. 704 00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:11,330 I really don't know what world I'm in. 705 00:38:13,374 --> 00:38:15,042 For a moment... 706 00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:17,753 I actually thought about it. 707 00:38:23,134 --> 00:38:24,134 Crazy. 708 00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:27,888 But I remembered... 709 00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:31,809 I'd promised God that I was gonna do this the right way. 710 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,519 I was gonna do it right. 711 00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:43,404 It's torturing me! 712 00:38:44,447 --> 00:38:45,948 I can't do it forever. 713 00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:48,117 It's tearing me up. It's tearing Mom up. 714 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:51,996 I've set sort of a time limit. 715 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,790 I don't know if I'm gonna wanna stick with that, but... 716 00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:57,752 I can't torture myself forever, Danny. 717 00:38:58,669 --> 00:39:02,715 You want to give up, but you can't give up because you're looking for the answer. 718 00:39:02,798 --> 00:39:04,633 You're looking to solve the case. 719 00:39:06,218 --> 00:39:09,305 Which doesn't help that much, because you still lost your son. 720 00:39:13,642 --> 00:39:14,643 I asked God... 721 00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:16,936 to help me quit. 722 00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:23,319 I was anticipating quitting. 723 00:39:26,155 --> 00:39:28,991 I said, "If I haven't found anything by the end of September... 724 00:39:30,117 --> 00:39:31,327 I promise I'll give it up." 725 00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:36,777 There were a lot of things I wanted to do during the course of this investigation. 726 00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:40,378 What I really wanted to do, is I wanted to call people 727 00:39:40,461 --> 00:39:41,462 in the neighborhood. 728 00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:46,092 And, at the time, there was something called a Haines Directory. 729 00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:47,760 It was a big, thick book 730 00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:49,643 and it had all the addresses and phone numbers 731 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:50,763 of everybody in the city, 732 00:39:50,846 --> 00:39:52,473 so I took out a map 733 00:39:52,556 --> 00:39:54,183 and I drew a circle... 734 00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:56,185 so many blocks each way, 735 00:39:56,268 --> 00:39:58,521 in a circle around the corner where my son was killed, 736 00:39:58,604 --> 00:39:59,688 Dauphine and Forstall. 737 00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:05,069 I went home, I sat on my bed... 738 00:40:05,611 --> 00:40:06,922 and I started making phone calls. 739 00:40:08,906 --> 00:40:10,908 Then when I called, half weren't home. 740 00:40:10,991 --> 00:40:12,552 We're unable to answer your call, 741 00:40:12,576 --> 00:40:14,346 so speak after the beep and we'll... 742 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:16,181 We're sorry, you have reached a number 743 00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:18,707 that has been disconnected or is no longer in service. 744 00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:19,625 Hello? 745 00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:21,919 Yeah, Miss Smith, this is Dan Schneider. 746 00:40:22,002 --> 00:40:24,088 You don't know me, but my son was killed 747 00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:26,757 on the corner of Dauphine and Forstall a couple of months back 748 00:40:26,841 --> 00:40:27,925 in a red pickup truck. 749 00:40:28,008 --> 00:40:32,888 Every night, he would sit and call maybe 40 or 50 at a time or something. 750 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,183 Some of 'em weren't very receptive. 751 00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:39,121 I be at work too much. I really don't know. 752 00:40:39,145 --> 00:40:41,480 A week later, I heard something about that, 753 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:42,857 but I don't have any idea. 754 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:45,192 There was a boy named Scarface arrested for it. 755 00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:46,527 A boy named who? 756 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:48,863 Somebody might've been out there who saw something. 757 00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:51,281 Uh-uh, not here. 758 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:54,201 A few of 'em were very sympathetic. 759 00:40:54,702 --> 00:40:57,455 I was sorry to hear about it, you know, 'cause, uh... 760 00:40:57,538 --> 00:41:00,374 - Yeah, it's... - When it happened, you know, I... 761 00:41:01,584 --> 00:41:03,919 I was surprised, you know. I heard the shot. 762 00:41:04,503 --> 00:41:06,183 You hear shots in this neighborhood a lot. 763 00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,715 - That's the way it is. - Yeah. 764 00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:10,676 - It's gotten so bad, you know? - Yeah. 765 00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:12,942 So I'm sorry to hear about your son. 766 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:14,584 If I had heard anything, 767 00:41:14,638 --> 00:41:17,558 I would've let somebody in authority know, 768 00:41:17,641 --> 00:41:19,685 because my son got killed and I know how it feels. 769 00:41:19,768 --> 00:41:22,008 - Your son got killed? - My son got killed. 770 00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:23,272 Oh, my Lord. 771 00:41:23,355 --> 00:41:25,333 - Yeah, he got killed. - How long back? 772 00:41:25,357 --> 00:41:26,692 Uh, two years ago. 773 00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:29,570 - I know how it feels. - How old was he? 774 00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,572 He was 38 years old. 775 00:41:31,655 --> 00:41:32,948 He was my baby son. 776 00:41:33,365 --> 00:41:35,534 My heart goes out to you 'cause I've been through it 777 00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:36,618 and I know how it feels. 778 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:39,038 It's something I'll never get over as long as I live. 779 00:41:40,456 --> 00:41:41,832 I think it was my last call 780 00:41:41,916 --> 00:41:44,418 for the day, at the end of the list. 781 00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:47,546 Hello? 782 00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:49,715 - Yeah, Ms. Madding? - Uh-huh. 783 00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:52,289 You don't know me, but, uh, my name's Dan Schneider 784 00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:54,345 and my son was killed down the street from you 785 00:41:54,428 --> 00:41:55,988 on the corner of Dauphine and Forstall. 786 00:41:57,056 --> 00:41:58,599 Now how did he know my number? 787 00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:02,436 My heart started beating faster on that one. 788 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,900 And I couldn't believe he had actually... 789 00:42:08,817 --> 00:42:10,027 called the right house. 790 00:42:14,073 --> 00:42:16,325 You were the first one to call 911. 791 00:42:16,408 --> 00:42:19,411 Uh-huh. I just called them and told them someone had been shot... 792 00:42:19,495 --> 00:42:20,663 in a red truck. 793 00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,122 I couldn't believe it. 794 00:42:22,206 --> 00:42:24,583 She said, "I saw the whole thing. 795 00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:27,001 I saw it all. 796 00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:29,213 I called Crimestoppers." 797 00:42:29,755 --> 00:42:31,423 I called them twice to find out 798 00:42:31,507 --> 00:42:33,968 if they hadn't gotten the person and stuff. 799 00:42:34,426 --> 00:42:35,761 I called my wife. 800 00:42:38,973 --> 00:42:41,600 I said, "I've got something!" 801 00:42:42,768 --> 00:42:45,008 "I've really got something. I've got a chance. 802 00:42:47,314 --> 00:42:48,314 I can't quit." 803 00:42:50,317 --> 00:42:52,528 And I sat down and... 804 00:42:53,195 --> 00:42:54,655 I told him what I knew. 805 00:43:01,036 --> 00:43:02,036 On that night... 806 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,874 I was standing in front of my mom's house. 807 00:43:05,958 --> 00:43:07,167 Me and a guy friend. 808 00:43:08,794 --> 00:43:11,046 I looked to the corner, because I saw headlights, 809 00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:13,674 and I seen a little red truck. 810 00:43:15,968 --> 00:43:20,097 And as the red truck passed us, I could see it was a white guy. 811 00:43:20,514 --> 00:43:21,682 I knew he was young. 812 00:43:23,475 --> 00:43:25,394 Your son had the window down. 813 00:43:25,477 --> 00:43:27,455 - My son had the window down? - Yeah. 814 00:43:27,479 --> 00:43:28,519 And then you seen... 815 00:43:28,564 --> 00:43:31,400 Tell me what happened then. He passed you up, drove down the street. 816 00:43:32,067 --> 00:43:35,446 I saw the dealer flag him down. 817 00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:39,366 And then they went back round the block and they came back again. 818 00:43:40,784 --> 00:43:42,786 And before they could get to Dauphine Street, 819 00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:45,164 by the pool, I saw the car stop. 820 00:43:45,247 --> 00:43:46,247 I saw them brake. 821 00:43:47,291 --> 00:43:51,128 And they stopped onDauphine and Forstall. 822 00:43:53,213 --> 00:43:58,469 I saw the dealer get out of the truck and run to the driver's side. 823 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:03,515 The red truck jacked, like he was trying to get away. 824 00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:05,851 And there was a "pow." 825 00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:11,440 I looked up and I heard a pop 826 00:44:11,523 --> 00:44:13,025 and saw the fire from the gun. 827 00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:16,278 And all I know is I heard one shot. 828 00:44:16,362 --> 00:44:18,238 Everybody says he was shot twice. 829 00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:20,282 I say that boy was shot one time. 830 00:44:20,366 --> 00:44:22,451 - I wouldn't go down there to look. - Right. 831 00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:26,372 All I could see down the street was the truck had come to a halt. 832 00:44:26,455 --> 00:44:27,289 It was like, 833 00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:30,876 you know, slanted on the sidewalk in front of the street. 834 00:44:32,086 --> 00:44:32,961 After that, 835 00:44:33,045 --> 00:44:35,089 I just saw the shooter running 836 00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:38,008 and he threw the gun in the drain. 837 00:44:39,551 --> 00:44:42,429 And you even seen his shirt and all? His white shirt? 838 00:44:42,513 --> 00:44:44,431 Mm-hmm. It had splattered blood on it. 839 00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:45,784 It had splattered blood on it. 840 00:44:45,808 --> 00:44:47,101 I saw the killer. 841 00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:49,520 He saw me. 842 00:44:52,606 --> 00:44:54,775 Well, see, I could put my hand on the Bible 843 00:44:54,858 --> 00:44:56,985 and I swear to God... God loves the truth. 844 00:44:59,738 --> 00:45:02,324 Scarface wasn't the killer. 845 00:45:04,702 --> 00:45:05,786 Jeffery was. 846 00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:08,956 It was Jeffery. 847 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:11,875 That can't be... I mean... 848 00:45:12,459 --> 00:45:13,459 I'll be darned. 849 00:45:14,044 --> 00:45:15,462 Jeffery was the killer. 850 00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:19,717 I mean, I'd heard... 851 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,885 The police said it could have been Jeffery, 852 00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:24,096 but, you know, I did meet with Jeffery. 853 00:45:24,638 --> 00:45:26,998 I hate to say it, but I believed Jeffery. 854 00:45:29,768 --> 00:45:30,811 Um... 855 00:45:32,521 --> 00:45:34,148 Jeffery said he knew my son 856 00:45:34,231 --> 00:45:36,000 - and he wouldn't have killed my son. - What? 857 00:45:36,024 --> 00:45:38,402 That's right. That's what Jeffery told me. 858 00:45:38,944 --> 00:45:41,655 He said he was kind of a friend with my son. 859 00:45:41,739 --> 00:45:44,366 He'd sold my son drugs a couple of times, but that he wouldn't... 860 00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:45,909 He wouldn't have hurt Danny. 861 00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:49,580 You never did see Jeffery on his bike? 862 00:45:49,663 --> 00:45:50,663 No. 863 00:45:50,998 --> 00:45:55,085 You did see him in my son's truck and get out and walk around the back? 864 00:45:55,169 --> 00:45:56,855 That's right, and shot him. 865 00:45:56,879 --> 00:45:57,713 And shot him? 866 00:45:57,796 --> 00:45:58,796 And shot him. 867 00:46:02,968 --> 00:46:06,305 After Daniel's murder, Jeffery came back. 868 00:46:07,347 --> 00:46:09,141 'Cause he saw us standing out there. 869 00:46:10,184 --> 00:46:11,184 He said... 870 00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:14,563 "Titi, you see what I did?" 871 00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:18,734 He said, "Titi, look what I've done." 872 00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:20,537 - What he calls you? - "Titi." 873 00:46:20,611 --> 00:46:21,811 - Titi? - Mm-hmm. 874 00:46:23,447 --> 00:46:28,452 Jeffery was my best friend's son. 875 00:46:29,453 --> 00:46:32,122 I was always "Auntie," or "Tidi," or "Titi," 876 00:46:32,581 --> 00:46:34,875 um, to her kids. 877 00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:36,919 Jeffery was the oldest. 878 00:46:38,921 --> 00:46:40,005 His mom had... 879 00:46:41,548 --> 00:46:42,716 ten more children. 880 00:46:43,217 --> 00:46:46,637 I guess between drugs and babies... 881 00:46:48,138 --> 00:46:49,765 you know, she didn't focus. 882 00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,102 Did Jeffery ever mention to you... 883 00:46:54,853 --> 00:46:57,147 why he shot my son? 884 00:46:57,231 --> 00:46:58,231 Did he just... 885 00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:00,067 lose his mind and do it? 886 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:01,652 What provoked it? 887 00:47:01,735 --> 00:47:03,946 He didn't lose his mind. Peer pressure. 888 00:47:04,029 --> 00:47:04,947 Peer pressure? 889 00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:07,032 - Maybe somebody told him... - That's all. 890 00:47:07,115 --> 00:47:08,909 Maybe that was his assignment that day, 891 00:47:08,992 --> 00:47:09,992 to kill somebody. 892 00:47:11,578 --> 00:47:13,848 This is the corner right here. Jeff, you were riding here? 893 00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:16,083 Danny and them were right here on this block. 894 00:47:19,962 --> 00:47:22,422 Not only did I find out that Jeffery was the killer... 895 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:24,590 but he had betrayed me. 896 00:47:25,133 --> 00:47:26,218 He had lied to me. 897 00:47:27,302 --> 00:47:31,223 It sounds petty, but that almost bothered me as much. 898 00:47:33,308 --> 00:47:34,308 I trusted him. 899 00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:36,144 He was gonna help me. 900 00:47:37,145 --> 00:47:38,272 And he was the killer. 901 00:47:39,815 --> 00:47:41,984 How could this thing get so screwed up? 902 00:47:45,404 --> 00:47:47,906 Crimestoppers gets information on a suspect. 903 00:47:48,448 --> 00:47:50,200 NOPD goes to the suspect. 904 00:47:50,284 --> 00:47:52,578 He immediately says it was some other guy, 905 00:47:52,661 --> 00:47:56,498 who he probably thinks the police are gonna like more than him. 906 00:47:56,582 --> 00:48:00,127 So the whole thing starts to get really, really convoluted then, 907 00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:03,755 because now he goes from the suspect to a potential witness. 908 00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:09,261 I was later told you never make a suspect a witness. 909 00:48:10,387 --> 00:48:12,055 And that's what they immediately did. 910 00:48:12,139 --> 00:48:14,016 "Police 101," they call it. 911 00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:16,476 They should have went in the house, looked for a gun. 912 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,812 They should have looked for blood on the tennis shoes, 913 00:48:18,896 --> 00:48:21,273 clothing that had blood on it, blood splatter. 914 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:23,317 They didn't do any of that. 915 00:48:28,322 --> 00:48:30,449 But I need y'all to promise me 916 00:48:30,532 --> 00:48:33,327 that they'll never know it's me that's giving out this information. 917 00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:36,180 - I understand. Look... - I don't want my name mentioned. 918 00:48:36,204 --> 00:48:38,457 I'm with you on that. 919 00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:40,500 And I am not gonna mention your name. 920 00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:43,003 I don't want to put you in jeopardy, 921 00:48:43,378 --> 00:48:45,881 but I would like a little help, 922 00:48:46,173 --> 00:48:47,901 'cause, apparently, they're not having much luck. 923 00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:50,260 These cops ain't the sharpest guys in the world. 924 00:48:52,387 --> 00:48:55,098 The fear had really set in after that call. 925 00:48:55,891 --> 00:48:58,352 I knew if he could walk the blocks... 926 00:48:59,394 --> 00:49:01,605 and if he could call me on the phone... 927 00:49:03,649 --> 00:49:05,400 they were gonna find out it was me. 928 00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:10,155 If those guys find out that you was a witness, 929 00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:13,283 then they're gonna come and threaten you or threaten your family members, 930 00:49:13,367 --> 00:49:15,410 to let them know that, "If you do testify, 931 00:49:15,494 --> 00:49:16,995 we're gonna kill everybody." 932 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:21,124 I didn't know how it was gonna happen. 933 00:49:21,208 --> 00:49:24,795 I just knew in my heart something was gonna happen to me. 934 00:49:26,546 --> 00:49:28,131 Yeah, I have nightmares... 935 00:49:28,215 --> 00:49:30,175 - Right. - ...thinking of, you know, 936 00:49:30,258 --> 00:49:31,677 what my outcome... 937 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,054 What might happen to me, what my children... 938 00:49:34,554 --> 00:49:37,724 Who's gonna raise my children? My mama and my dad's already sick. 939 00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:39,351 My mama has heart trouble. 940 00:49:39,434 --> 00:49:41,603 - Right. - It's a lot to think about. 941 00:49:42,229 --> 00:49:43,855 I don't want to give you danger. 942 00:49:44,356 --> 00:49:46,676 You might be the only person that can help solve this case. 943 00:49:47,401 --> 00:49:48,944 So I fear for you too. 944 00:49:49,027 --> 00:49:51,747 I fear for you not only personally... I don't want to see you harmed. 945 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,491 But I also fear that if something happened to you, 946 00:49:55,117 --> 00:49:56,243 there is no case. 947 00:49:57,494 --> 00:49:59,329 I knew I was gonna have an uphill battle. 948 00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:07,713 Hello? 949 00:50:07,796 --> 00:50:09,339 - Yeah, Shane? - Uh-huh. 950 00:50:09,423 --> 00:50:11,049 This is Mr. Schneider. How are you? 951 00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:11,967 All right. 952 00:50:12,968 --> 00:50:14,408 - Hello? - Yeah, Shane? 953 00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:15,971 - Yeah. - It's Danny. 954 00:50:16,054 --> 00:50:17,472 I'm outside with company. 955 00:50:17,556 --> 00:50:18,932 - Are you? - Yeah. 956 00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:22,060 - You want me to call another time? - Yeah, call me about 9:30. 957 00:50:22,144 --> 00:50:23,186 Call you about 9:30. 958 00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:26,582 - Shane, how are you doing? This is Danny. - Right now, I can't talk to you. 959 00:50:26,606 --> 00:50:28,150 No? Got somebody there? 960 00:50:28,233 --> 00:50:30,235 - Yeah. - Okay. 961 00:50:30,318 --> 00:50:31,778 He can be a pain in the ass. 962 00:50:32,279 --> 00:50:34,698 When's a time I might be able to give you a call? 963 00:50:34,781 --> 00:50:36,461 - She's not in? - She's sleeping. 964 00:50:36,491 --> 00:50:38,651 I'll give her a call later. This is her daughter? 965 00:50:38,785 --> 00:50:40,847 - It's her niece. - Nicki, I believe? 966 00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:42,671 How are you doing with your new job? 967 00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:45,000 - Hello? - Hello? 968 00:50:45,459 --> 00:50:48,503 My wife was sending letters, and his girlfriend was sending letters. 969 00:50:49,171 --> 00:50:50,630 My daughter was sending letters. 970 00:50:50,714 --> 00:50:52,674 This number is not in service. 971 00:50:52,758 --> 00:50:53,758 I would move! 972 00:50:54,509 --> 00:50:55,761 Change my number. 973 00:50:55,844 --> 00:50:58,638 He would find me. 974 00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:02,142 Yes, is this Anne? 975 00:51:02,225 --> 00:51:04,287 - This is Sheri. - One of the Madding sisters? 976 00:51:04,311 --> 00:51:07,147 - We're friends with Shane. - Do you know her boyfriend? 977 00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:09,775 My husband got your number. I can't really remember... 978 00:51:09,858 --> 00:51:12,218 Nicki was helping us. Could you give us the address... 979 00:51:13,195 --> 00:51:15,906 Leave me alone. Please stop calling me. 980 00:51:15,989 --> 00:51:17,884 - Who is this? - Yeah, this is Kristi. 981 00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:19,093 Kristi, this is Shane. 982 00:51:19,117 --> 00:51:22,037 Let me tell you something. Your mom and them is harassing my mother. 983 00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:23,789 Dan called my sister's house. 984 00:51:23,872 --> 00:51:25,665 Now that's making me back off 985 00:51:25,749 --> 00:51:28,335 because they're pushing me, you know, close to like... 986 00:51:28,418 --> 00:51:29,753 I want to do it, 987 00:51:29,836 --> 00:51:31,338 but as long as they're interfering 988 00:51:31,421 --> 00:51:33,048 and notifying my people... 989 00:51:33,131 --> 00:51:34,758 They're stalking my little niece, Nicki. 990 00:51:34,841 --> 00:51:36,176 My family is jumping. 991 00:51:36,259 --> 00:51:38,779 They don't want y'all to call. My mama wants me to press charges 992 00:51:38,804 --> 00:51:40,555 against your mother and father. Understand? 993 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,100 - Mm-hmm. - So the police is on their way 994 00:51:43,183 --> 00:51:44,226 soon to my house 995 00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:46,978 to press trespassing charges if they come close. 996 00:51:47,062 --> 00:51:48,647 What do you think that's gonna do? 997 00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:50,232 My sister. They're calling my sister. 998 00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:52,794 You know, they're getting in touch with everybody in my family. 999 00:51:52,818 --> 00:51:53,944 That's not fair. 1000 00:51:54,027 --> 00:51:56,047 As long as they do that, I'm gonna stay away, Kristi, 1001 00:51:56,071 --> 00:51:58,156 - and that's on the real. - I know. 1002 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,367 It's like agony for us, 1003 00:52:00,450 --> 00:52:01,868 'cause it keeps dragging on. 1004 00:52:01,952 --> 00:52:03,703 We just want it to be over with, you know? 1005 00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:06,039 Well, let me do it at my own pace. 1006 00:52:07,582 --> 00:52:10,252 We were so close to getting her and... 1007 00:52:10,877 --> 00:52:12,838 I wanted her to come forward so bad. 1008 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,763 After Danny died, 1009 00:52:21,847 --> 00:52:23,390 everything changed. 1010 00:52:25,308 --> 00:52:26,560 My life ended too. 1011 00:52:34,234 --> 00:52:36,695 It was Kristi, the sister. 1012 00:52:39,156 --> 00:52:41,700 I felt every painthat she felt. 1013 00:52:44,661 --> 00:52:46,746 Because I felt like that, too. 1014 00:52:52,794 --> 00:52:54,045 I was 12... 1015 00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:56,173 when my brother... 1016 00:52:57,132 --> 00:52:58,132 was murdered. 1017 00:53:01,136 --> 00:53:02,179 We were real close. 1018 00:53:04,306 --> 00:53:06,016 And he would be the... 1019 00:53:06,474 --> 00:53:09,477 The person that you would want at your party to have fun. 1020 00:53:10,061 --> 00:53:11,354 He loved to dance. 1021 00:53:11,438 --> 00:53:13,690 My brother loved to dance. He loved to dress. 1022 00:53:16,151 --> 00:53:19,070 And I always think about... 1023 00:53:20,155 --> 00:53:22,741 how we never... we never... 1024 00:53:23,825 --> 00:53:25,744 got the truth. 1025 00:53:26,453 --> 00:53:28,038 And that's a hurtful thing 1026 00:53:28,747 --> 00:53:29,747 to not know. 1027 00:53:33,835 --> 00:53:34,878 Because there's just... 1028 00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:36,379 There is no closure. 1029 00:53:38,548 --> 00:53:41,509 It's just... always there. 1030 00:53:42,344 --> 00:53:44,387 And it'll never go away. 1031 00:53:48,225 --> 00:53:50,810 The conversations me and Kristi used to have... 1032 00:53:52,229 --> 00:53:54,773 I felt every pain that she felt. 1033 00:53:56,691 --> 00:53:58,276 "Danny was my only sibling. 1034 00:53:59,736 --> 00:54:01,738 We talked about everything and anything. 1035 00:54:02,989 --> 00:54:05,158 Now that he isn't here, 1036 00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:06,242 I feel so lost. 1037 00:54:06,534 --> 00:54:07,911 It's hard to do anything. 1038 00:54:08,536 --> 00:54:10,664 I have to force myself to sleep every night 1039 00:54:10,747 --> 00:54:13,250 and then force myself to wake up the next morning. 1040 00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:15,418 I'm now an only child. 1041 00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:17,837 It's so different without him around." 1042 00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:23,134 "Nothing will ever completely heal my pain. 1043 00:54:23,802 --> 00:54:26,096 But one thing I know for sure 1044 00:54:26,721 --> 00:54:30,892 and that is the person who killed my brother should be punished. 1045 00:54:32,352 --> 00:54:35,313 You are our only hope to put this person away." 1046 00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:39,275 My heart just... 1047 00:54:39,693 --> 00:54:41,027 was so weak for her. 1048 00:54:42,445 --> 00:54:44,531 She would cry. There were many times... 1049 00:54:45,448 --> 00:54:46,825 when she would cry. 1050 00:54:48,243 --> 00:54:51,079 I would still try to make an excuse. 1051 00:54:52,455 --> 00:54:53,707 At one point, she said... 1052 00:54:54,457 --> 00:54:55,457 "I want to see... 1053 00:54:56,376 --> 00:54:57,376 Danny's room." 1054 00:54:58,628 --> 00:55:01,214 Shane came over to our house in St. Bernard Parish. 1055 00:55:01,965 --> 00:55:04,301 Annie made coffee and snacks. 1056 00:55:05,385 --> 00:55:07,470 We brought her upstairs to his room 1057 00:55:07,554 --> 00:55:09,306 and she looked around at things and... 1058 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,640 we cried. 1059 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,194 I just felt a different energy. 1060 00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:28,241 This young man had so much going for him. 1061 00:55:29,784 --> 00:55:31,119 He didn't deserve it. 1062 00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:37,125 It just made me feel... 1063 00:55:38,585 --> 00:55:39,919 I needed to do something. 1064 00:55:42,088 --> 00:55:43,506 Because that's something... 1065 00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:47,009 I never got. 1066 00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:53,058 I never got that. 1067 00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:14,555 The next day, Shane went to the Police Department 1068 00:56:14,579 --> 00:56:15,580 and made a statement. 1069 00:56:16,706 --> 00:56:18,708 They went out and they arrested Jeffery Hall. 1070 00:56:20,418 --> 00:56:23,588 That information was critical in terms of identifying 1071 00:56:23,671 --> 00:56:24,881 the person responsible. 1072 00:56:25,382 --> 00:56:27,217 We believe that the 16-year-old juvenile 1073 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,804 was the actual trigger person in this homicide. 1074 00:56:33,431 --> 00:56:34,974 I got... I got swept up. 1075 00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:37,227 Got picked up and arrested. 1076 00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:46,236 The case went to the DA's office. 1077 00:56:47,654 --> 00:56:49,614 Victims and witnesses were interviewed. 1078 00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:52,784 We explained the court process to them, 1079 00:56:52,867 --> 00:56:55,370 'cause it was important for them to know 1080 00:56:55,453 --> 00:56:57,288 that they would come into the courthouse... 1081 00:56:57,664 --> 00:57:00,125 uh, there would be many people in the courthouse, 1082 00:57:00,208 --> 00:57:03,461 including the perpetrator, or the accused. 1083 00:57:03,545 --> 00:57:06,089 At which point, sometimes the victim or witness might say, 1084 00:57:06,172 --> 00:57:08,258 "You know what? Never mind. I've changed my mind." 1085 00:57:11,136 --> 00:57:13,972 I was told that Jeffery's lawyer 1086 00:57:14,472 --> 00:57:16,850 had given him information... 1087 00:57:17,642 --> 00:57:18,642 that it was me. 1088 00:57:20,645 --> 00:57:22,939 When I found out it was her, I... 1089 00:57:23,356 --> 00:57:26,401 I was like, "Wow, Shane?" Like, damn. 1090 00:57:26,901 --> 00:57:29,904 "You know, I've looked at you as an auntie and this is how you repay me?" 1091 00:57:29,988 --> 00:57:31,823 You're gonna send me out like this?" 1092 00:57:32,532 --> 00:57:36,119 You know what happens if you cooperate with the police. 1093 00:57:36,202 --> 00:57:37,203 You know, you... 1094 00:57:38,288 --> 00:57:40,498 You wind up dead or you disappear. 1095 00:57:42,667 --> 00:57:44,043 She starts getting threats. 1096 00:57:44,627 --> 00:57:45,628 Left and right. 1097 00:57:45,712 --> 00:57:47,755 "We will kill you if you testify." 1098 00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:51,009 These are drug dealers. 1099 00:57:51,718 --> 00:57:53,720 All of these guys are criminals, man. 1100 00:57:54,804 --> 00:57:55,889 They'll set you up. 1101 00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:59,934 You know, they will come around with street sweepers 1102 00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:02,604 and, if they can catch you on the corner store, 1103 00:58:02,687 --> 00:58:05,482 they might have five, six, seven, eight kids out there... 1104 00:58:06,065 --> 00:58:07,692 They just didn't care, man. 1105 00:58:12,655 --> 00:58:14,824 Witness Protection moved me and my kids. 1106 00:58:16,784 --> 00:58:19,829 I had been there maybe about two months. 1107 00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:21,664 I come outside. 1108 00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:24,041 There's a brick... 1109 00:58:25,752 --> 00:58:28,087 on my car seat, with my windows bust. 1110 00:58:28,171 --> 00:58:29,171 My tires... 1111 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:30,965 are slashed. 1112 00:58:32,884 --> 00:58:34,177 And the note said... 1113 00:58:36,638 --> 00:58:37,889 "Bitch, I found you."