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Hello. This is going to be fun.

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Hey, what's going on everybody from
First We Feast? I'm Sean Evans, you're

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watching Hot Ones, and today we deliver
you a very special episode brought to

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you by Tums, because even legends need
relief, and I'm thrilled to be joined in

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the studio by the legend himself, Tim
Howard.

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Nicknamed the Secretary of Defense, he's
the most capped goalkeeper in U .S.

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men's national team history, 13 seasons
in the Premier League, and a tournament

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record 16 saves in a single match
against Belgium in 2014.

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But will he walk away with a clean sheet
against the world's spiciest wings?

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Only time will tell. Tim Howard, welcome
to the show.

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Thank you. I think, thank you. I'm not
sure what we're doing today, but we're

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going to find out.

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What's going through your head as you
prepare to take on these wings? Are you

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naturally a fan of spicy food?

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Naturally, no.

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So, a little background. If we went out
and we had wings and you ordered medium,

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I'd say, no, let's get mild. So, this is
going to be a whole lot of rock and

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roll today. But, here we are.

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Okay.

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This is easy for you.

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The first one.

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But I'm no hero.

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It gets challenging as it goes.

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So we're just a few weeks away from the
big tournament, and some have labeled

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this year's U .S. men's national team as
the golden generation.

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Does that add unnecessary pressure? Does
it feel accurate given the talent level

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on this roster?

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Most of the pressure. A lot of teams
don't live up to that hype.

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A lot of teams that get labeled their
golden generation, it's hard because in

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that moment you have to win, you have to
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They've been named the golden
generation. I think in the last year or

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have sort of said maybe they're not, but
they're super talented. This generation

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of players plays at bigger clubs than...

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previous generations, and a lot more
players are playing at those clubs. So

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they just have to go figure out how to
win something big.

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And then every tournament has a player
who comes out of nowhere and becomes a

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household name.

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Is there anyone on this U .S. men's
national team roster you think we should

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paying more attention to going into it?
Yeah, that's a great question.

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The ones that kind of jump off the page
we already know about, Christian

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Pulisic, Weston McKinney, Tyler Adams, I
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Which is weird to say because he plays
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Premier League.

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He's an out -and -out starter, captain
of the team. I think he has another

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because I think he's got a bit of
devilment in him. He's a good defender,

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already has that sort of foundation. But
now if you do it on the world stage, as

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you just asked, that can take you to new
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Yeah, we're going for it.

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I just read Homegrown Hell, which I'm
not looking forward to. You know, it's

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dangerous when you have to start reading
ahead.

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I know, and it's hard not to.

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I understand.

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You received the news that you'd made
the National Soccer Hall of Fame while

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live on air at NBC Sports.

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What's it like to get information like
that when you're literally on TV?

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Strange, which I think that's why they
wanted that shock and awe element. In

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that moment, you're like, sort of,
there's this fast -forward video of

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of the things you've done and all the
people that got you there.

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And you're on live TV, so you're trying
to figure out how to formulate thoughts.

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Really cool and special. And I do think
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Those type of moments are deserving of
monumental sort of announcements, and it

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felt good to sort of be around my NBC
family, share that with the people at

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too, so it was cool.

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How do you think the sport has changed
or evolved the most comparing the games

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that you played in during your career
versus the ones that you now watch and

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analyze as a broadcaster?

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You can't do the same thing over and
over tactically for 100 years. Someone

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to change it.

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And so the game changes slightly from a
tactical element.

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Different formations get brought in.

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Pep Guardiola at Man City will change a
position and create a clever name for

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it, and then everyone picks up on it.
But ultimately, the game doesn't change.

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The game, for me, doesn't change.

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You have to be combative. You have to be
tough.

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So ultimately, there are ideas around
the game that I think change.

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the crux of the game never changes.
Yeah, I mean, because that's what's

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interesting. Like, I'll interview Steph
Curry, you know, and, like, his style of

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play of, like, shooting threes, like,
just in front of the half -court logo,

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know, like, that can change things.
Like, now you'll see in AAU a lot of,

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Euro stepping, you know, but I think
you're saying that football is just

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different from basketball or different
from baseball, different from... Yeah,

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a sense, right? Like, if you were to
look at basketball, for example, and

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Curry sort of extending where players
think they can shoot from or the Euro

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step, all these different little
elements that come into the game, but if

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were to... ask someone, like, how do you
win a championship? Like, if you asked

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LeBron James how to win a championship,
it would have nothing to do with Euro

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steps or deep threes. It would all come
back down to the basics of the game. So

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that's sort of kind of how I analyze
soccer as well.

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You enjoy this, huh?

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I do. It's masochistic in that way. How
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hot stuff?

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You know what? I think it's like cardio.
And then if you step away from it, I

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think it's hard to build up that
tolerance again. So I think it's just in

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rhythm of natural practice.

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But I'm not going to be doing this after
this. Can you take me inside the

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psychology of a penalty shootout? You
know, it remains one of the most

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high -stakes situations in all of
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I love it.

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These guys out in the outfield have run,
at this point, after 120 minutes,

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probably like 15K.

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17K. Like, they're done. They're out on
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Mentally, you're exhausted.

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So, like, let's get the game over with.

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And I'm a fan of that.

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So, I like the penalty shootout. You can
only ever be a hero.

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Like, as a goalkeeper, you're not
supposed to make any saves.

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The chips are stacked against you.

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So, I always thought, this is great. If
I make one save here, I'm a hero. And I

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think I'm good enough to do that.

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If you get two, you're probably going to
win. So, I sort of like the...

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The mental challenge as well and sort of
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walk -up. You're staring at the shooter.

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You're kind of figuring out whether you
know where he's going or you're sort of

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hinting to him that you know. It's just
a mind game. I love it. And then

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finally, maybe something doesn't come to
mind, but I am curious.

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Does anything stand out as like the most
bewildering intimidation tactic someone

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has ever tried in the moments leading up
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Not really because here's the thing
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The goalkeeper is always going to try
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The shooter just wants to be in rhythm
because he wants to walk up, take the

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ball, put it down, back up, pick his
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He wants nothing to break that rhythm.
So you want to sort of do things to make

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the referee get involved.

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You want the referee to say, hey, stand
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kicker. The more they think about it,
the worse it is for them. That makes

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sense. So the more time that I can take
while they're standing over the penalty.

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The walls close in. Yeah, I think so.

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So up next is the smoking draft. I bet
it is. I absolutely bet it is.

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This is a little bit of a step.

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Oh, okay.

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You didn't warn me about that.

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So your nickname at Everton, Secretary
of Defense, is one of the greatest

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nicknames in the history of sports.

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Do you remember any sort of welcome to
Merseyside moment when you transferred

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there from Manchester United? It does
seem to be a very singular and intense

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football culture over there.

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The city of Liverpool in and of itself
stands out.

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They're fanatical. They're crazy. They
think the world is against them. They

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think all of England is against them,
and they sort of have this rallying cry

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together, even though both sides sort of
hate each other.

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That one moment, I don't remember like a
single moment. I just remember coming

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from Manchester United, which is like
the biggest club in the world, to

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and Everton just felt like it fit. I was
a kid from Jersey, and I was like, this

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is sort of like my club, my people. This
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They're a very demanding group of fans.

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But if you run your socks off and you
fight like a dog. They love you. They're

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going to love you. For me, that was like
a big turning point in my career. And

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then, of course, I spent 10 years there.

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What does it mean to have your own chant
in the Premier League?

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I feel like that, you know, getting on a
video game is cool. And then being in

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the stadium and having people chant your
name or something about you.

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It's sort of the culture. We don't have
that in America. It's special. So

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individually, they chant your name,
which is cool.

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But I think the fanaticism, like the
game is important.

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I've been in games where our team
travels or you see it with away teams.

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travel. They spend a lot of money to go
into Europe or certain places in the

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country and travel to see you.

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And you lay an egg and you stink. And
you get beat like 4 -0.

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And instead of leaving, the shirts come
off and beers are flying and the chants

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are going. And it sort of becomes a game
in and of itself. And they're basically

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saying, we came here to be entertained.

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We're not being entertained.

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It's our turn to take over. And so
there's this, like, togetherness with

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fans and the club and the players. So,
yeah, it's fun.

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In your autobiography, you have an
interesting passage about how your coach

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to convince you to play goalkeeper. You
compared it to standing in the outfield

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and tee ball.

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What are the hallmarks of a good goalie
prospect?

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Like, it does seem like a position that
requires some recruitment, some

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indoctrination, since not everyone gets
a chance at it.

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I didn't want to play goalkeeper. I
wanted to have fun and run around and

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and do all the things. Score goals.
Score goals. I was a big kid. I was

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In all my soccer pictures, I'm like this
tall.

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And then my coach is the same height,
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And so the tall kid goes and goal. I was
always on teams that were good.

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And my coaches sort of make deals with
me. Play in the goal in the first half

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and then we'll probably be winning. So I
can come out in the second half and

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play a striker or something. So I did.

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And then the further along the way that
you go, you just get this positive

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reinforcement and kids like that. Like,
hey, you did a great job today. Your

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teammates are high -fiving. You're like,
okay, well, I guess I like playing in

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goal. But I think from the attribute
standpoint as a youngster, it's like

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athletic, brave, someone who – The order
of semi wants to be in goal, like when

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my daughter started playing. They did
this little rotational thing when they

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were like seven years old where every
kid had to play every position.

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She put the gloves on. It was her turn,
and she started crying. I was like, oh,

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thank goodness. That's my girl.

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Just cry. Get out of goal. Don't go
anywhere near it.

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But I think that you have to have kids
who are willing to want to be in goal.

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Otherwise, it's just a disaster.

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All right, Tim, we've made it halfway
through the gauntlet, and I think it's

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time for a little halftime heartburn
relief.

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Bill, bring in the Tums Chewy Bites
Tropical Fruit Smoothie.

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Heartburn relief incoming.

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Thank you so much, Bill. You're welcome.

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You know, after all these years of being
a chicken wing talk show host, I still

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to this day could use a little relief.

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You know what? I'm actually already
starting to feel the heat.

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So I'm going to take a thumbs now.

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I think I'll join you.

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I'm ready.

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Good.

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I'm going to hell. Here we go.

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That's where I get serious.

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I think we drink milk. Yeah.

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I'm going to join you at that party.

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If you could relive one game from your
career as a semi -regular reoccurring

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dream, which one would it be and why?

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I do. The Belgium game. Every night.

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Every night before I go to bed, I watch
it. It was sort of my signature moment,

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but whether it was for me or not, for
the fans, People come up to me and talk

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about Everton, and they talk about their
United fan, Manchester United fan, or

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whatever. But 99 % of the time, people
are talking about the Belgium game. And

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think for an athlete in hindsight, it's
like, it's cool.

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It's really cool to have a shining
moment that people can remember. It's

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imprinted in culture, yeah. Yeah, and
the stories are usually like...

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I was in a bar with my best friend, and
we were going crazy. And then they bring

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you back to this time and moment that's
special. So that's the one. When you

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reflect on that game, do you feel like
you were in any sort of flow state? Did

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the game unfold in front of you in a
unique way?

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How, if at all, was it different from
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It was different because I'm 47 years
old. We're in 1979, right? I came up as

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a child idolizing Michael Jordan like
every kid in America.

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And there was a point in time, early
90s, Where Michael Jordan sat down for

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interview and he had done something
spectacular.

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They asked him about it. It was the
first time in sports history that we

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about a player being in the zone. He
coined that phrase. And so psychologists

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and everybody thought, what's the zone?
What does that feel like? And I talk

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about that day having heard about what
being in the zone was like. I remember

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sort of the smells and the sounds.

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And we were playing Belgium. They were
wearing red. And so I can remember sort

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of blurry moment.

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But I was so locked in that.

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I don't remember a lot of the game.
Like, I don't remember visually a lot of

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game like I do other games. It was sort
of going warp speed, but almost

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underwater, if that makes sense.

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Neo picking bullets out of the air.
Totally.

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And so, for me, that was sort of how it
was, the breakdown of it. But kind of

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cool to go back and watch.

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There's just something about that deep
pepper flavor. Yeah, don't like it.

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I'd imagine when you lose an elimination
game, That it has this sort of

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emotional vacuum that takes over. How
would you describe what a locker room

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looks and sounds like in that moment?
After a big loss, elimination, quiet,

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disbelief. You're dealing with winners
who won another shot.

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So you're conditioned to win, and when
you don't win, you're conditioned to go,

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all right, let's go again. And when you
get eliminated or you're going home,

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you're looking for that, but it's not
coming. And so it's a sort of disbelief,

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and it feels different than anything
else you've done.

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It's an epic failure. It sort of smacks
you in the face. A bit like... Jesus.

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So this is the bomb beyond insanity.

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Holy heck.

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Wow.

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Jesus. I know.

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While you battle to bomb, what I'm going
to do is give you some U .S. men's

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national team superlatives. So I'll make
a declarative statement, and then you

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tell me which player, past or present,
best fits that description. If I can.

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Which player would you trust most to
take a penalty with everything on the

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Landon Donovan.

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Wow, Jesus.

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Guy Landon. Yeah.

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Who's most likely to give an inspiring
halftime speech during halftime? Michael

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Bradley. Who's the most natural leader?

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Carlos Bocanegra.

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He was captain for a while.

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Who had the best relationship with fans?

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Clint Dempsey, I think, because they
loved him. He could do no wrong.

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Which player is most likely to show up
to the charter with the most expensive

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luggage?

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Josie Alcantara.

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Oh, wow. The T -tissue.

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Mm -hmm. Gone. Completely gone.

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At times like these?

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And then just be careful around the
eyes? Yeah, no, that's fine.

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It was his hand. It was his hand. It's
hot.

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Jesus. I'm sweating from everywhere.

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I know.

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It's amazing. You and I both, we got the
right kind of haircut for this. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You were saying?

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I was just throwing superlatives at you.
Yeah, you know.

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You did body that.

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I guess.

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Who's most likely to miss the team bus
because they're still getting ready,

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fixing their hair?

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DeMarcus Beasley.

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Not his hair, just most likely.

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How are we feeling?

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Horrific, mate.

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Absolutely horrific.

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Well, we're good. We're good.

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The good news is that was the worst one.
I don't think so.

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You know?

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Next to not a walk in the park, but you
looked a formidable opponent in the

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face. That's wild.

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Yeah. People get orders of that and go,
yeah, put the bomb sauce on that.

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There's some people that need that. They
need that to feel alive. That's wild.

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But we're almost to the finish line.
Sure.

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If you're ready.

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This next one is the Squash Reaper X.

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Good God.

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All right. You doing it? Mm -hmm.

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Oh.

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I find with the athletes, there's always
like a little bit of a competitive

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streak that kicks in, you know, like a
one more rep, one more wing. Damn, I

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that competitive streak.

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I think the bomb knocked our chemistry
out of me.

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Ah, Jesus.

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What's the code of honor regarding a
keeper scoring a goal? You know, I've

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you describe your famous one against
Bolton. You described it as cruel.

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Yeah, I was too nice.

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I mean, actually, it's terrible. A
goalkeeper gets scored on, you've done

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something wrong.

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Like, that's terrible.

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I didn't want to celebrate that in his
face. But, like, now that I'm, like,

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older and wiser and, like, more
honorary, like, if I scored again, my

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coming off. I'm like...

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In the fans, you know?

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I tried to have a little bit of respect,
but if it happened again, I wouldn't.

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All right.

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No, I've seen you do this. No way.

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I need more milk, by the way.

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Time. 20 seconds. I need more milk.

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No chance of putting it on there.

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Did you put it on there? You know what?
We don't have to. I mean, I'm not.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you wouldn't do it
just for yourself.

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You know, I don't want to show, you
know, I don't want to, I feel like I'm

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showing off. Yeah, yeah, don't show.

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All right, this is the last guy. Last
guy.

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And with that, Tim Howard, the wings of
death are behind us. Oh.

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You have conquered the Hot Ones
Gauntlet.

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And I want to close things out. Wow.
With some rapid fire predictions for the

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tournament coming up in the next few
weeks.

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I know your brain, your mouth are on
fire.

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Not going to be easy with the heat of a
thousand suns coursing through you.

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Which team is your pick for a Cinderella
story?

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I think one of the really small, and I
don't know which one, one of the really

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small nations, because the tournament's
expanded now. So you're going to get

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teams who had never been in a
tournament, who should probably never be

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near it, but they're going to be in it.

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And you're probably going to get an
upset.

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I don't know if they'll get out of the
first round.

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Maybe, but they'll get an upset. A shock
the world moment. Yeah, and if they do

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that, and they get out of the group as
the third place team, that's one of the

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biggest things in their footballing. So,
like Congo, maybe. You look at a Congo

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and think they could be one of the
teams.

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Which host city do you imagine will have
the most raucous game environment?

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I still think New York. New York just
brings the world to them, always. And

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finally, who do you think is going to be
hoisting that trophy on July 19th?

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I think it's going to be Spain.

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That's my champion.

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And there it is, Tim Howard taking on
the wings of death, living to tell the

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tale. Before we roll out the red carpet,
a very special shout -out to Tums for

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making this all possible. And with that
said, Tim Howard, this camera, this

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camera, this camera, let the people know
what you have going on in your life.

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What do I have going on? Everything.

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NBC Sports Premier League Unfiltered
Soccer Podcast with Landon Donovan. We

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crushing all things soccer.

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It's being dad to two crazy college
kids. And that's it. It's good.

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Life is good.

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Amazing. Wow.

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My God. Great job. Great job. Great job.

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It wasn't fun. It was okay.

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Horrific, mate. Absolutely horrific.