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Breaking news,
Nissan's chairman has been arrested.
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Nissan accuses Carlos Ghosn
of underreporting his compensation
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and the personal use of company assets.
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It was a huge shock.
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I didn't even know
what was the accusation.
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The allegations are quite serious.
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Ghosn faces a maximum penalty
of ten years imprisonment in Japan.
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And this may not be the only penalty.
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Bob, first, your reaction to all this.
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It's both surprising and disappointing,
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and let's not forget that he's innocent
until proven guilty.
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It was Thanksgiving.
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I took the plane to New York,
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and when I land, my son calls me.
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I put my phone on and it was ringing.
I said, "I'm on the plane, you know?"
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And he said, "Mom, Carlos got arrested."
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And I... You know, my knees collapsed.
I couldn't even walk off the plane.
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I was texting his phone.
There was no news.
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I get home. I put the TV on.
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- Now, the allegation...
- it turns a stone. Anna...
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understated
his own income...
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Icarus, who flew too close to the sun.
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Our representative director Carlos Ghosn
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has committed serious misconduct.
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When we realize it's Nissan
who made him get arrested,
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I'm like, "Wait...
this isn't making sense."
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I feel deep anger
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and disappointment.
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Saikawa, head of Nissan...
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there was so much hatred in his face,
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and I was like,
"My God, what's going on?"
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It's a fall from grace
as brutal as it is sudden.
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Carlos Ghosn's defense team
claims there was another motivation
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Stopping a merger
between Nissan and Renault.
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I think there's
a half a chance it is a palace coup.
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Something out of
Shakespeare within Nissan.
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I was stabbed in the back by a plot
of Japanese people.
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Carlos's lawyer told me, "Listen, Carole,
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this story is much bigger
than we think it is."
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It was like a kidnapping.
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This is Japan and you have no rights.
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It's brutal and archaic.
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I have to tell you, we were scared.
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What's the most
shocking thing about this?
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Well, it seems something's
going on within Nissan itself.
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Some betrayal internally
and maybe divisions in the company.
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Ghosn has been
in solitary confinement.
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The way this is unfolding is just
not normal for a financial investigation.
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They took me to a cell.
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I was shocked.
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I was traumatized.
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It was dark. It was cold.
It was impersonal.
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My God, what is this?
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I was in a hole with no telephone,
no contact.
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This guy is used to corporate jet,
big meetings.
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They made a calculation that,
"Okay, put him in a cell here, alone,
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with no lawyer, no explanation.
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In one week, he's gonna sign
whatever confession we-we need."
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Well, obviously they don't know me.
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I was at home with my wife
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and an executive from Nissan
called me up from Japan.
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He wanted to discuss
some board issues in person.
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So I said, "Well, why can't I do this
by video conference?"
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"I got a medical issue. As you know,
I've gotta have a spinal surgery."
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When he told me they wanted him
to come to Japan,
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I said, "Absolutely not."
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Greg was in a lot of pain.
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I said, "You can't even sit on the couch."
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And to be honest, I was a little angry.
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He was insistent.
He really wanted me to come.
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He actually said,
"Hey, I'll get a charter flight for you,"
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which was very unusual.
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I get to Narita Airport.
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It's just around dusk.
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I get off the charter
and they kind of whisked me through.
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And they put me in a van.
It was a big van.
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Twenty, 30 minutes into the trip,
the driver says,
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"Hey, I got to pull over
and call my family."
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All of a sudden, a bunch of individuals
get in the van with me.
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One of them says,
"You're gonna come with us."
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I'm taken to the detention center.
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You get put in prison garb, and I had
my first interrogation that night.
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I didn't know what was going on.
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And then I realized they wanted me
to turn on Carlos Ghosn.
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The arrest of Carlos Ghosn changed
everything about how I do this job
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and, frankly, how I live my life.
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I don't think I've had
a full night's sleep in three years.
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One of the most high-profile CEOs
in the world
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was just disappeared into a Japanese jail.
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The initial allegation
against Ghosn was difficult to understand
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because, if you break it down,
what he was accused of
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was deferred compensation.
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Executives around the world,
they're all scratching their heads,
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like, "deferred compensation?"
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That's just a thing that's normal
around the world.
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And in Japan,
it was essentially a paperwork violation.
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So clearly something very unusual
was happening.
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To understand why the Japanese
were so angry about this,
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you have to know
what happened during the financial crisis
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ten years before Ghosn was arrested.
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Japan's stock market
has plummeted today
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in its biggest decline in a decade.
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The financial crisis hit Japan hard.
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Jobs started disappearing
and people were really struggling.
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Suddenly, there was a lot of scrutiny
on the decision-makers
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at companies like Nissan.
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And the Japanese government
insisted on full disclosure
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for anybody who made
above a million dollars a year.
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Carlos Ghosn was making
20 times that figure.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
we have reached a new era.
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The problem was, in Japan,
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if you make more
than a couple million dollars a year,
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you're making way more than your share.
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For Nissan, this is all opportunity.
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I mean, it didn't look good.
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You're taking away from jobs and profit.
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To avoid a potential uproar,
Carlos Ghosn would take a 50% pay cut.
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To have to tell the world,
"I'm making ten million dollars a year",
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when he was making over 20
the year before,
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it makes them look like
small potatoes compared to, like,
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the GMs and Fords of the world, right?
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He wasn't happy. This was an insult.
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So he put to work Greg Kelly.
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Now, Greg Kelly,
he's almost like a Hollywood talent agent.
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And Carlos Ghosn, to him,
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was the automotive equivalent
of Michael Jordan,
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the biggest legend that ever lived,
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worth every single dime
he could possibly get this man.
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There was an unfinalized
arrangement for post-retirement services.
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He would be compensated for that,
for the value that he provided.
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Thank you.
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But here's the thing.
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Carlos Ghosn never got paid.
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If we're gonna do a deal,
we're gonna do it after he retired.
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Why we were arrested
doesn't make sense to me.
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I do not believe
that senior directors at Nissan
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knew nothing about
what Carlos was being paid.
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It just doesn't make any sense.
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Ghosn's arrest could have been timed
to push him out
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in order to give Nissan the upper hand
in ending its alliance
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with the French automaker, Renault.
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The idea that somebody of
Carlos Ghosn's stature has been arrested,
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you thought, "This has got to be big."
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And when you hear it's really about
whether he fiddled his retirement pay,
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then you start to think,
"Nah, it doesn't make sense, this."
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Did he make enemies?
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Was there an underlying resentment
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within the companies he was controlling
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brewing about the man
and what he might do next?
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It seemed like Ghosn
had overstayed his welcome.
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Nissan believed he had been using
the company as his own personal ATM
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and that he was funding his own
personal lifestyle on the company's dime,
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and this was unacceptable.
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Even if there was any truth
into these charges,
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it doesn't deserve this brutality.
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I can imagine you doing this
for somebody who,
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I don't know, killed your citizen,
poisoned the country...
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high treason.
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We're talking all of this for what?
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For... For not talking about
the compensation that was not paid?
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And that's what led me to say,
"Well, it's obviously something else."
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Mr. Kelly brought me in to help
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with a series of matters emanating
from his, rather outrageous arrest.
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Why this was treated criminally
was all to ding up Ghosn.
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It was all to discredit Ghosn.
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Greg Kelly,
a former Nissan executive,
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is accused of assisting Carlos Ghosn
in underreporting his income
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and has been held in a Japanese jail
since November.
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I spent 37 days in solitary confinement.
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Slept on the floor.
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There was a requirement that,
so you could be seen,
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you had to sit like an L
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in a corner with your legs extended,
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and you couldn't move.
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But I was a 62-year-old guy
that needed spinal surgery.
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What's a 62-year-old guy
that needs surgery gonna...
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What risk am I to society?
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Greg Kelly has been released
from jail in Tokyo
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after paying bail of $635,000.
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In Japan,
bail is not always that freely granted.
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But my medical condition
was one of the considerations.
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The Japanese thought Greg Kelly
would simply roll over and confess.
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That's the type of extreme conditions.
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It would take almost the strongest men
you've ever met and turn them to dust.
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But he was not willing to play that game.
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I... I don't like hospitals.
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In fact, I hate hospitals.
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But go spend s...
37 days in solitary confinement,
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and then get into a nice hospital room.
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It was like the best thing in the world.
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It was... It was quite a... an experience.
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And then within the week, I saw my wife.
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It's the day before his surgery.
I arrived in Japan.
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When I walked into the hospital room,
I just...
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He had lost so much weight,
and he just looked... He looked terrible.
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And like...
"What did they do to you?"
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I mean, just... For what?
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It was unbelievable.
It was, great to give her a hug.
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But we knew we had a road in front of us,
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and this was really just the beginning.
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When they finally gave us
visitation rights
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to see Carlos in February,
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it was a relief.
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But I was scared driving to Kosuge.
It's this huge jail.
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From the outside, it looks like death.
It looks like hell.
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I promised myself,
"When I see Carlos, I'm not gonna cry,"
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because I wanted him to see me strong.
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Obviously,
it was an important moment for me.
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But at the same time,
I was dreading this moment,
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because I knew that it was
a very painful moment for her.
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Because even with all the news
that took place,
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seeing somebody in prison,
it's a shock.
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He looked so skinny.
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Haggard.
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I was like, "My God."
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His face and his hands were super yellow,
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'cause I think he wasn't seeing the sun.
I thought he had jaundice.
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When I understood
that he didn't take any money
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and there's nothing that he did
that was really wrong,
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I got, like, angry.
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I was so upset that...
How could they do this?
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These people are infringing
on his human rights.
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Carlos Ghosn is
a great French businessman.
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He is very attached to Japan
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as well as to Nissan,
to which he has devoted
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more than twenty years of his life.
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When I was called by the family,
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I have to say I was not surprised
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because I knew what happen
in the Japanese prisons.
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He was being interrogated
for 12, 14 hours a day
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without the presence of a lawyer.
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He was treated as a guilt, in complete
violation of his presumption of innocence.
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He was put in a cell with a light on him,
day and night.
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The conditions of his detention could be
qualified as, "legal torture".
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How can they justify
that Mr. Carlos Ghosn,
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who presents no danger whatsoever,
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being placed in solitary confinement
for 100 days?
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In Japan,
99% of the defendants are convicted.
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It's not because the police or the
prosecution is doing its job correctly.
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It's because in the Japanese legal system,
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if you are confessing the crime
that you are prosecuted for,
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you can be released quite quickly.
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But if you do not confess the crime,
you are held in custody.
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And until you confess,
the conditions are gonna be so bad
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as to exert on you
a psychological pressure,
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which is gonna lead you into confession,
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because that's the only way out.
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You are a hostage of the justice system.
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"Hostage justice"
is an unfair label to put
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on the Japanese system.
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Carlos Ghosn was seen as a hero.
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Nissan was in serious difficulties
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and he pulled off a spectacular
turnaround by cutting costs.
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But in the shadows he worked to
personally profit by billions of yen.
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It doesn't matter if you're Japanese
or foreign,
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or if you're a rich person.
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You must face the judgment of the law.
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If this story was happening
in another country,
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I don't think I would have been arrested.
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I don't think I would have been accused
of anything.
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The whole story do not make sense.
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The fact that it's happening
in Japan created the whole drama.
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Good Monday morning, everybody.
Welcome back to Mornings with Maria.
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Joining the conversation
on the panel this morning,
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we begin with the wife of ousted
Nissan chairman, Carlos Ghosn,
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writing a letter to advocacy group
Human Rights Watch,
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claiming her husband is being mistreated
while he is detained in a Japanese jail.
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I went to see
former president Nicolas Sarkozy,
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and then he told me, "Y-You're the wife.
You need to be present.
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Be his spokesperson.
Tell them what's happening to him."
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Carole Ghosn is the wife
of Carlos Ghosn, and she joins us now
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for an exclusive interview.
Thank you for speaking out.
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Thank you for having me.
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First of all,
why are you wanting to settle?
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Carole Ghosn came for an interview
to make a public case for her husband
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for his innocence and to help free him.
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And she had never done anything like that.
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Carlos did not take any money.
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And yet, when the cameras started rolling,
I was shocked.
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I think we're seeing the dark side
of Japan Inc.
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The only thing people knew about
Carole Ghosn was they saw those pictures,
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having that lavish party
at the Palace of Versailles.
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It's inhumane what's happening.
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I mean, the idea that...
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The world got to see really
what a force she was
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in fighting for her husband.
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The conditions that you describe here...
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He was in isolation,
wasn't getting enough food?
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It's made to break the person
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so they confess to a crime,
even to crimes they haven't done.
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I felt it was the most important job
I've ever done,
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other than raising my children,
to help the man I love,
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to get him out on bail.
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This was a conspiracy against my husband.
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One of the newscasters told me
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that the Japanese Nissan kept
on calling them and saying,
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"Why are you gonna let her interview?
Why? What is she gonna speak about?"
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And, they were concerned,
and that made me feel good.
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I'm getting their attention.
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It was important for him to know
that someone is fighting for him.
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Former Nissan chairman
Carlos Ghosn's new legal team
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is applying for bail again.
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The former chairman of Nissan
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has spent three and a half months
in jail.
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Carlos's story woke up the world
to the Japanese way,
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and the press started questioning it.
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I don't understand
why more isn't being done.
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I agree with you.
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The judiciary system is just bonkers.
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It was amazing.
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It's not just me who's saying,
"Japan has violated his human rights."
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It's everyone.
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It is tough in Japan.
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His bail request was turned down twice.
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So I offered to the judge some rights
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in exchange for freedom,
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such as giving up the cell phone,
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GPS monitoring.
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Carlos Ghosn,
who was granted bail yesterday,
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could be released today.
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I offered that
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we would put a surveillance camera
on the front door
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of Carlos Ghosn's restricted home.
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On the day of Mr. Ghosn's release
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there are not just several
hundred media people but
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tens of helicopters up in the sky.
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That was crazy.
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I requested security
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to allow us to use
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the back gate instead of the front gate
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without the knowledge of the media.
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But security didn't agree with me.
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We were waiting and waiting,
and all of a sudden,
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we see in the hallway,
these prison guards walking.
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Like, ten of them in front of us.
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He's coming. He's coming.
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It isn't him. That's puzzling.
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And then his daughter Caroline goes,
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"Wait, I think I saw... I saw my dad,"
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and I said,
"No, no, these are prison guards."
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It's him. It's him.
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He's in disguise.
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Really? Unbelievable.
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Then we realized he was one
of the security guards and he left.
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I decided to disguise him
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and he enjoyed it, I guess.
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Yeah, it didn't la...
It lasted two seconds,
348
00:25:01,836 --> 00:25:04,965
and they picked up on it,
and he was on NHK.
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It looks like the "disguise manual"
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he consulted wasn't quite right.
351
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It looks like a cheap comedy sketch.
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The first days
after my release were difficult.
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The press was crazy.
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This was the first time
they could hear from me.
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But I was not in a position
to do anything.
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I needed to reconstruct myself.
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I needed to be surrounded
by my family, by my children.
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He slept a lot.
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I think this is the way he would escape.
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He was always sleeping,
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and I would cook for him all the time
things he loved.
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I wanted him just to be home,
and we'd watch TV at night.
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00:26:03,899 --> 00:26:05,992
People warned me.
They said, "He might be a different man.
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He's gonna be depressed.
365
00:26:07,652 --> 00:26:11,239
He's gonna be broken,
and you're gonna have to be very strong."
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But he never complained
about what happened to him.
367
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He would spend the days building
the case with his lawyers.
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But the press would bombard us.
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- Please, some privacy.
- Please. Please. Please.
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It was hell when you left the house.
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Please
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- respect our privacy.
- The privacy. Come on.
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I was still scared.
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I didn't know what was gonna happen.
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My arrest was so fake,
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so fabricated,
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so unfair.
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00:27:07,546 --> 00:27:11,383
It took me some time to realize that,
"Hey, wait a minute. This is a plot."
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They arrested me
to forbid me to do my job.
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In my opinion,
there were forces inside Nissan
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that were against the merger
of the company.
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Nissan old boys, in collusion
with the Prosecutor Office of Tokyo,
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decided to arrest me to stop the merger.
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I was not supporting at all
the, idea of the merger.
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And I made it clear
to, Carlos Ghosn himself.
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If we merge into one company,
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it is going to hurt the value
of the Nissan.
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00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:06,187
So that kind of frustration was there.
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00:28:07,898 --> 00:28:10,659
And there was a big group of people
in Nissan
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that were very, very concerned
about Carlos Ghosn's plan...
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but when he was arrested,
it has nothing to do with merger.
392
00:28:33,673 --> 00:28:36,518
It took many, many months
to get the document leaks
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that you really need
to tell a story like this.
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Months of talking to sources
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00:28:49,981 --> 00:28:52,234
and expanding the network
of people we talked to.
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00:28:54,194 --> 00:28:58,448
It was a lot of knocking on doors,
ringing doorbells,
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calling everybody we could find.
398
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:05,797
The biggest early breakthrough we had
399
00:29:05,997 --> 00:29:08,917
was getting a copy
of the Nissan investigation report.
400
00:29:10,502 --> 00:29:12,596
It was a valuable road map
401
00:29:12,796 --> 00:29:15,757
to, piecing together everything
that happened.
402
00:29:19,761 --> 00:29:23,557
The key to the story is Hari Nada.
403
00:29:29,104 --> 00:29:34,368
Hari Nada is a British lawyer
who was head of the CEO's office,
404
00:29:34,568 --> 00:29:37,445
and he was extremely loyal to Nissan.
405
00:29:40,448 --> 00:29:44,244
Hari Nada was able to persuade
Greg Kelly to come to Japan
406
00:29:44,494 --> 00:29:46,371
so that he could be arrested.
407
00:29:46,955 --> 00:29:48,999
Because Greg Kelly trusted him a lot.
408
00:29:49,499 --> 00:29:51,960
He hired him. He promoted him.
He defended him.
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00:29:53,169 --> 00:29:55,005
I trust Greg and his judgment.
410
00:29:59,134 --> 00:30:01,344
We worked together pretty closely.
411
00:30:02,053 --> 00:30:05,140
And, yeah, there was a point
at which I considered him a friend.
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00:30:06,558 --> 00:30:11,813
I can imagine the formidable tragedy
for Greg personally,
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00:30:12,355 --> 00:30:17,277
having groomed a snake in the system.
414
00:30:22,365 --> 00:30:24,659
Hari was what Nissan called
the "whistleblower."
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00:30:27,245 --> 00:30:28,839
He wanted to get rid of Ghosn
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00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:33,335
because he believed that there was
potential misconduct by Carlos Ghosn.
417
00:30:35,712 --> 00:30:38,098
He sent a message out
to the people who work with him,
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00:30:38,298 --> 00:30:40,967
calling them to a top-secret meeting
in his office.
419
00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:43,887
He liked skullduggery.
420
00:30:45,138 --> 00:30:48,275
He told them they were going to work
on something
421
00:30:48,475 --> 00:30:51,603
that was extremely secret and dangerous,
and couldn't leave the room,
422
00:30:52,187 --> 00:30:54,940
because if Ghosn ever got wind of it,
it would be their heads.
423
00:30:56,733 --> 00:30:58,076
It was a set of plans
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00:30:58,276 --> 00:31:02,906
for a variety of scenarios
focusing on a post-Ghosn future,
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00:31:04,407 --> 00:31:07,878
including what would happen
if Carlos Ghosn was accused
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00:31:08,078 --> 00:31:10,205
of misconduct or a crime.
427
00:31:12,999 --> 00:31:16,127
They had a code word
for the investigation into Ghosn
428
00:31:16,711 --> 00:31:17,929
and that was, "Kali,"
429
00:31:18,129 --> 00:31:20,632
which is the Hindu goddess
of death and destruction.
430
00:31:24,261 --> 00:31:25,937
Was there a conspiracy within Nissan?
431
00:31:26,137 --> 00:31:28,857
Clearly there was a conspiracy
to-to oust Carlos Ghosn.
432
00:31:29,057 --> 00:31:30,559
I mean, that much is clear.
433
00:31:36,565 --> 00:31:39,359
I certainly looked up to Hari Nada.
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00:31:41,903 --> 00:31:44,281
I regarded him as a mentor.
435
00:31:45,448 --> 00:31:47,409
He is a charismatic individual.
436
00:31:48,410 --> 00:31:51,755
Supremely eloquent. Very polished.
437
00:31:51,955 --> 00:31:54,257
But I would say Machiavellian.
438
00:31:54,457 --> 00:31:57,335
If I had to put one word on it,
it's Machiavellian.
439
00:32:00,422 --> 00:32:02,099
Before Ghosn was arrested,
440
00:32:02,299 --> 00:32:07,178
I was being told by Hari Nada
there is this misconduct investigation...
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00:32:09,222 --> 00:32:10,440
related to Carlos Ghosn
442
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,144
and that I'd have a...
role to play going forward.
443
00:32:15,061 --> 00:32:17,698
These types of allegations
are quite serious,
444
00:32:17,898 --> 00:32:22,119
but they would normally be dealt with
by the board of directors
445
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,946
behind closed doors, shall we say.
446
00:32:25,530 --> 00:32:26,948
Not aired in public.
447
00:32:32,287 --> 00:32:34,664
Hari Nada, along with Greg Kelly,
448
00:32:35,624 --> 00:32:37,426
he's thinking up schemes on,
449
00:32:37,626 --> 00:32:39,306
you know,
"How do we pay Ghosn more money?"
450
00:32:40,170 --> 00:32:44,507
So he was involved in some
of the secret pay stuff with Ghosn.
451
00:32:45,008 --> 00:32:47,102
But once this becomes
a criminal investigation
452
00:32:47,302 --> 00:32:48,854
and the prosecutors are looking into it,
453
00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:51,848
Hari signs a plea deal
in return for immunity.
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00:32:54,935 --> 00:32:55,819
Now, all of a sudden,
455
00:32:56,019 --> 00:32:58,730
they're getting a lot of information
from Hari Nada.
456
00:32:59,981 --> 00:33:03,326
He's doing things like getting Greg Kelly
to Japan ahead of the arrest.
457
00:33:03,526 --> 00:33:04,619
He even plays a role
458
00:33:04,819 --> 00:33:07,489
as a kind of collector of evidence
for the Tokyo prosecutors.
459
00:33:09,241 --> 00:33:10,992
They learn a lot from Hari Nada.
460
00:33:11,534 --> 00:33:15,505
- You know, he's up... up to here in it.
- Like... Up to here.
461
00:33:15,705 --> 00:33:17,123
Hello, Mr. Hari.
462
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:26,308
So, Hari Nada
was involved in the alleged wrongdoing,
463
00:33:26,508 --> 00:33:29,803
but is now part of the group
which is leading the investigation?
464
00:33:30,845 --> 00:33:33,139
Is this your email on copy?
465
00:33:33,890 --> 00:33:36,485
I don't know. This is a confidential
company email, right?
466
00:33:36,685 --> 00:33:39,738
Yeah, I mean, he had been involved
in some of the things
467
00:33:39,938 --> 00:33:42,908
that were being reported
as transgressions, shall we say.
468
00:33:43,108 --> 00:33:46,861
Yet he was involved in key elements
of the investigation.
469
00:33:47,487 --> 00:33:52,125
Anyone who's involved in the matter
shouldn't be in a position to influence
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00:33:52,325 --> 00:33:55,504
or manipulate the outcome
of the investigation.
471
00:33:55,704 --> 00:33:58,039
And here, that's happening all the time.
472
00:34:00,834 --> 00:34:03,378
Did you raise concerns
about his continued role?
473
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,963
Yeah, absolutely.
474
00:34:05,547 --> 00:34:07,432
I highlighted those...
You know, to him himself.
475
00:34:07,632 --> 00:34:11,353
I said, "Look, you know,
these are real, tangible concerns
476
00:34:11,553 --> 00:34:12,896
that are gonna come back
477
00:34:13,096 --> 00:34:15,932
and have negative ramifications
for the company."
478
00:34:17,934 --> 00:34:20,228
And then things got really weird.
479
00:34:20,729 --> 00:34:21,938
Within three days,
480
00:34:22,564 --> 00:34:25,567
I was removed
from the Ghosn misconduct investigation.
481
00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:29,453
I heard rumors
that I was going to leave the business
482
00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:31,915
and, you're like, "What do you mean
I'm gonna leave the business?"
483
00:34:32,115 --> 00:34:33,490
"We've heard you're leaving."
484
00:34:35,994 --> 00:34:38,329
And then you realize
you're being followed.
485
00:34:39,998 --> 00:34:41,049
Took some random turns,
486
00:34:41,249 --> 00:34:43,751
and this car is literally following me.
487
00:34:48,048 --> 00:34:49,598
I remember calling my wife saying,
488
00:34:49,798 --> 00:34:53,812
"You're not gonna believe this,
but I think I'm being followed."
489
00:34:54,012 --> 00:34:55,856
My wife got quite worried about that.
490
00:34:56,056 --> 00:34:59,517
She's like, "Well... Well, just come home.
Just come home, quickly."
491
00:35:06,149 --> 00:35:07,951
Who are you people? Who...
492
00:35:08,151 --> 00:35:09,661
We came from court.
493
00:35:09,861 --> 00:35:11,079
To do what?
494
00:35:11,279 --> 00:35:16,918
The ultimate one is where your house is
raided by the Yokohama Court Authorities.
495
00:35:17,118 --> 00:35:18,462
I have my family here.
496
00:35:18,662 --> 00:35:19,546
We are very scared.
497
00:35:19,746 --> 00:35:21,048
We don't speak Japanese.
498
00:35:21,248 --> 00:35:23,300
And I don't know what you want.
499
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,460
If you don't let us in now,
500
00:35:25,961 --> 00:35:27,804
we have to break this key
501
00:35:28,004 --> 00:35:31,800
and we are going to enforce it.
502
00:35:32,842 --> 00:35:35,312
There were
about four policemen standing outside.
503
00:35:35,512 --> 00:35:38,315
Okay. I am very worried
and I'm very nervous
504
00:35:38,515 --> 00:35:40,692
about what you people are doing here.
505
00:35:40,892 --> 00:35:43,570
"Why are there so many
of you people here?"
506
00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:46,090
And then you find out it's
to recover a laptop and a phone.
507
00:35:46,523 --> 00:35:50,359
And that's when you realize
this could get really bad.
508
00:35:53,446 --> 00:35:55,499
Don't shout at me. Don't shout at me.
509
00:35:55,699 --> 00:36:00,245
You start thinking,
"Am I being set up here?"
510
00:36:00,996 --> 00:36:01,880
Our children are scared.
511
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,624
There's eight pe... people
against two parents.
512
00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:07,711
You just have to look at Carlos Ghosn.
513
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,006
You just have to look at Greg Kelly.
514
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:14,426
I was thinking, "What is going on here?"
515
00:36:16,511 --> 00:36:18,930
We took a picture
of one of the people following us.
516
00:36:19,723 --> 00:36:22,776
And I've since learned
that others were followed.
517
00:36:22,976 --> 00:36:24,895
My kids. My wife.
518
00:36:27,147 --> 00:36:30,233
I walk every morning
about three... three or four miles.
519
00:36:30,734 --> 00:36:32,744
As I was coming up to the entrance
to the apartment,
520
00:36:32,944 --> 00:36:35,288
there was a guy standing...
And this was, like, 06:10 in the morning...
521
00:36:35,488 --> 00:36:36,707
And he's, like, looking at his phone.
522
00:36:36,907 --> 00:36:38,792
And then as I got closer,
he turned his back to me,
523
00:36:38,992 --> 00:36:41,420
and he kept turning his back.
And I thought, "That's really weird."
524
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:43,964
They... They were hired by Nissan.
They weren't hired by the prosecutors.
525
00:36:44,164 --> 00:36:47,459
This is Nissan
running their own little spy agency.
526
00:36:51,504 --> 00:36:55,050
I was summoned to a meeting room.
527
00:36:56,051 --> 00:36:59,438
- I'm told, "That's it.
- Your foreign service is over.
528
00:36:59,638 --> 00:37:02,098
You're going back to the UK."
529
00:37:03,391 --> 00:37:05,485
I was given 48 hours' notice
530
00:37:05,685 --> 00:37:08,813
that I would be removed
as global general counsel.
531
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:11,816
And you just think, "Why?
532
00:37:12,359 --> 00:37:14,194
What are they worried about?"
533
00:37:17,656 --> 00:37:21,243
One rotten apple spoils the barrel, right?
534
00:37:22,577 --> 00:37:25,538
Yeah, but...
What if it's the barrel that's rotten?
535
00:37:35,507 --> 00:37:37,768
Early in the morning,
knock on the door.
536
00:37:37,968 --> 00:37:40,554
A bunch of people outside.
537
00:37:41,555 --> 00:37:43,974
You knew that, it was a rearrest.
538
00:37:49,104 --> 00:37:50,522
What is going on?
539
00:37:52,607 --> 00:37:54,818
I felt like I was in a daze.
540
00:37:55,944 --> 00:37:58,655
And... And in shock
that they arrested him again.
541
00:38:03,952 --> 00:38:05,287
I was in my pajamas.
542
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:07,923
They made me sit on a chair for hours.
543
00:38:08,123 --> 00:38:09,249
I couldn't move.
544
00:38:10,208 --> 00:38:12,002
I wanted to go to the bathroom,
545
00:38:13,587 --> 00:38:15,922
and they'd have a lady go
in the toilet with me.
546
00:38:20,135 --> 00:38:21,455
I was afraid for Carole.
547
00:38:22,554 --> 00:38:24,556
They took her passport.
They took her phone.
548
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:26,066
She was in a foreign country,
549
00:38:26,266 --> 00:38:29,227
not speaking the language,
without the telephone, alone.
550
00:38:29,728 --> 00:38:30,529
They had no right
551
00:38:30,729 --> 00:38:33,023
because she was not the object
of any accusation.
552
00:38:34,065 --> 00:38:36,526
And this was all calculated, you know.
553
00:38:37,152 --> 00:38:39,871
Don't forget, for them, the confession,
554
00:38:40,071 --> 00:38:41,373
because when you confess,
555
00:38:41,573 --> 00:38:43,241
they score and you're gone.
556
00:38:48,455 --> 00:38:51,842
Prosecutors have rearrested
Nissan former chairman, Carlos Ghosn...
557
00:38:52,042 --> 00:38:54,761
Ghosn is now facing
new charges of financial misconduct.
558
00:38:54,961 --> 00:38:56,888
He denies any wrongdoing.
559
00:38:57,088 --> 00:38:58,974
There is no light
at the end of the tunnel.
560
00:38:59,174 --> 00:39:01,509
Things do not look positive
for Carlos Ghosn.
561
00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:05,180
At this point,
the charges become a lot more serious.
562
00:39:06,139 --> 00:39:08,400
So Nissan's lawyers claimed to have found
563
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,903
a hard drive belonging to Ghosn's
late personal lawyer.
564
00:39:12,103 --> 00:39:14,197
They then hand over this hard drive
to prosecutors
565
00:39:14,397 --> 00:39:18,068
who go through it, and who claim
it's full of incriminating evidence.
566
00:39:19,194 --> 00:39:22,164
Prosecutors saying
that Nissan sent payments
567
00:39:22,364 --> 00:39:24,875
to an overseas Nissan dealer
568
00:39:25,075 --> 00:39:28,086
and that some of that money was diverted
569
00:39:28,286 --> 00:39:32,215
to a company that was actually controlled
by Carlos Ghosn.
570
00:39:32,415 --> 00:39:35,135
You always, kind of, report
with an open mind as much as possible.
571
00:39:35,335 --> 00:39:36,636
And I feel, well, this could be a coup,
572
00:39:36,836 --> 00:39:39,965
or he could have done
some naughty things or both.
573
00:39:40,799 --> 00:39:42,175
But this changed everything.
574
00:39:42,759 --> 00:39:45,020
Prosecutors
are now accusing the ex-Nissan boss
575
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:49,024
of diverting funds
into a subsidiary controlled by him.
576
00:39:49,224 --> 00:39:51,518
Suddenly we have
an extremely serious allegation
577
00:39:52,018 --> 00:39:54,905
that Carlos Ghosn is stealing tens
of millions of dollars from his companies.
578
00:39:55,105 --> 00:39:55,989
This was really theft.
579
00:39:56,189 --> 00:39:59,484
I mean, you know,
this just did not... did not look good.
580
00:40:05,782 --> 00:40:07,993
Mr. Ghosn said it is a conspiracy.
581
00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:12,539
But the fact of the wrongdoing
was existing, actually.
582
00:40:13,748 --> 00:40:18,712
There were many serious wrongdoings
by Chairman Carlos Ghosn
583
00:40:19,337 --> 00:40:21,756
and, with his... his instruction.
584
00:40:23,133 --> 00:40:24,759
He is a man committed a crime.
585
00:40:28,221 --> 00:40:30,140
They were determined to do him in.
586
00:40:30,932 --> 00:40:33,602
They wanted to take him down.
587
00:40:34,311 --> 00:40:35,487
And this is Japan.
588
00:40:35,687 --> 00:40:37,606
So he realized he was in deep water.
589
00:40:38,189 --> 00:40:39,190
Very deep water.
590
00:40:46,031 --> 00:40:47,999
I had such a strong defense,
591
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:50,785
but I knew
that I would not be fairly treated.
592
00:40:54,372 --> 00:40:56,917
He started planning in his head,
"I need to get out.
593
00:40:58,376 --> 00:41:01,004
If I stay in Japan,
it's gonna be a slow death."
594
00:41:01,713 --> 00:41:04,433
They thought
that I would be under their control
595
00:41:04,633 --> 00:41:06,051
for the rest of my life.
596
00:41:07,093 --> 00:41:09,146
Now it's gonna be a different game
that you are not expecting.
597
00:41:09,346 --> 00:41:10,972
Now I'm going to surprise you.
598
00:41:14,434 --> 00:41:17,395
That's not justice.
My mission was to get him out of there.
599
00:41:19,439 --> 00:41:21,992
Welcome back. Our top story this hour,
Carlos Ghosn on the run.
600
00:41:22,192 --> 00:41:23,610
How did he do it?
601
00:41:25,153 --> 00:41:28,615
You don't run unless you got something
to run from.