1 00:00:16,892 --> 00:00:19,812 (indistinct shouting from photographers) 2 00:00:27,235 --> 00:00:30,113 (indistinct shouting) 3 00:00:34,952 --> 00:00:36,787 Photographer: Hold that right there, please. 4 00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:42,125 (indistinct shouting continues) 5 00:01:16,869 --> 00:01:18,954 Anna Wintour: The Met stairs, you know, 6 00:01:18,996 --> 00:01:20,664 that famous red carpet, 7 00:01:20,706 --> 00:01:23,792 has grown in spectacle over the years. 8 00:01:26,545 --> 00:01:28,213 It's a kind of theater. 9 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:29,757 (man speaks indistinctly) 10 00:01:29,798 --> 00:01:33,802 Fashion can create a dream, create a fantasy. 11 00:01:37,639 --> 00:01:40,517 But there might be some questions about 12 00:01:40,559 --> 00:01:44,103 whether fashion belongs in a museum like the Met. 13 00:01:44,145 --> 00:01:45,689 Photographer 2: Rihanna! 14 00:01:46,899 --> 00:01:48,817 (indistinct shouting continues) 15 00:02:27,982 --> 00:02:28,941 (elevator dings) 16 00:02:38,075 --> 00:02:42,412 Some people have a very 19th century idea of what art is. 17 00:02:44,456 --> 00:02:46,333 There are people within the museum 18 00:02:46,374 --> 00:02:48,794 who still dismiss fashion. 19 00:02:53,048 --> 00:02:55,009 Thomas Campbell: When I started off as a curator, 20 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:56,718 art was considered to be 21 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,346 painting, architecture and sculpture. 22 00:02:59,387 --> 00:03:02,349 Anything outside of that was decorative arts and, 23 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:04,101 quite frankly, looked down on. 24 00:03:04,143 --> 00:03:06,979 Costume and fashion being one example of that. 25 00:03:08,897 --> 00:03:11,441 Wintour: The museum is its own little world, 26 00:03:11,483 --> 00:03:12,901 its own little city. 27 00:03:13,944 --> 00:03:16,738 Some more old-fashioned traditionalists 28 00:03:16,780 --> 00:03:19,950 are used to things being done in a certain way and 29 00:03:20,492 --> 00:03:23,495 maybe a Costume Institute 30 00:03:24,079 --> 00:03:25,497 makes them a bit uncomfortable. 31 00:03:28,125 --> 00:03:31,045 Harold Koda: Physically, the Costume Institute is 32 00:03:31,086 --> 00:03:32,211 subterranean. 33 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:36,383 And so the psychology of it has always been that 34 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:39,427 we were in the north sector... 35 00:03:40,303 --> 00:03:41,513 in a basement. 36 00:03:43,473 --> 00:03:47,394 It was not seen, really, as an art area. 37 00:03:47,435 --> 00:03:49,063 (indistinct conversation) 38 00:03:49,104 --> 00:03:50,647 Andrew Bolton: Fashion is still considered 39 00:03:52,399 --> 00:03:53,608 more in the female domain than something like painting. 40 00:03:55,069 --> 00:03:56,361 I think that's the reason why some people 41 00:03:56,403 --> 00:03:59,280 are quick to dismiss fashion as art. 42 00:04:02,826 --> 00:04:06,038 Koda: Fashion seemed frivolous and trivial 43 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,791 to the 19th century attitudes about fine art. 44 00:04:11,085 --> 00:04:14,004 But it's laden with concepts, 45 00:04:14,421 --> 00:04:16,798 aesthetic principals, 46 00:04:17,132 --> 00:04:19,218 the most refined techniques... 47 00:04:20,177 --> 00:04:23,889 Everything that we subject the criteria of art to. 48 00:04:24,556 --> 00:04:27,350 We're about clothing as art works. 49 00:04:56,171 --> 00:05:00,300 Wintour: It's rare to find someone so creative, 50 00:05:00,341 --> 00:05:04,012 that they can change the way you look at an art form. 51 00:05:04,554 --> 00:05:06,681 But McQueen definitely did. 52 00:05:10,227 --> 00:05:11,478 Newsreader: Our top story: 53 00:05:12,854 --> 00:05:14,481 Alexander McQueen has been found dead 54 00:05:14,522 --> 00:05:15,899 apparently committing suicide at his London flat. 55 00:05:15,941 --> 00:05:17,317 Newsreader 2: Brilliant and controversial 56 00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:18,359 fashion designer... 57 00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:21,362 Newsreader 3: The bad boy of British fashion died an icon. 58 00:05:21,404 --> 00:05:22,823 An inspirational designer 59 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:24,658 who helped transform the fashion industry. 60 00:05:24,699 --> 00:05:26,576 Newsreader 4: They were shutting down his shops today, 61 00:05:26,618 --> 00:05:28,954 and there were people fleeing his shops crying. 62 00:05:34,293 --> 00:05:36,544 (bagpipes playing) 63 00:05:38,255 --> 00:05:40,048 (cameras clicking) 64 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:46,429 Campbell: It was the immediate aftermath 65 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:48,890 of McQueen's suicide... 66 00:05:49,557 --> 00:05:51,893 Andrew came to me and said that 67 00:05:51,935 --> 00:05:54,646 he had been thinking about an exhibition. 68 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:57,274 Tom was reluctant initially. 69 00:05:57,316 --> 00:05:59,526 He felt it was a bit ghoulish. 70 00:05:59,567 --> 00:06:01,111 There needed to be some time 71 00:06:01,153 --> 00:06:04,031 before we did an exhibition of McQueen. 72 00:06:04,363 --> 00:06:05,615 Wintour: A lot of people felt that 73 00:06:07,034 --> 00:06:09,368 an exhibition may not be appropriate so soon after he, 74 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:11,370 he died in such an awful way, 75 00:06:11,412 --> 00:06:14,333 but Andrew is a real visionary, 76 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:19,671 and our job is to help him execute his creative genius. 77 00:06:28,429 --> 00:06:30,807 Campbell: The combination of the objects, 78 00:06:31,225 --> 00:06:33,852 the very theatrical mise-en-scène, 79 00:06:34,311 --> 00:06:35,603 the sound... 80 00:06:35,645 --> 00:06:38,273 (sound of rushing air) 81 00:06:39,233 --> 00:06:42,610 There was an immersive component to the exhibition 82 00:06:42,944 --> 00:06:44,779 that took it to a new level. 83 00:06:50,451 --> 00:06:54,748 The degree to which the show became a phenomenon... 84 00:06:54,789 --> 00:06:56,624 None of us were prepared for that. 85 00:06:59,086 --> 00:07:01,629 People queuing around the museum. 86 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:04,216 It hasn't happened for many years. 87 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:07,094 Wintour: It touched a chord in people 88 00:07:07,468 --> 00:07:09,137 that I'd never seen before. 89 00:07:10,513 --> 00:07:15,602 Campbell: It redefined exhibition-making in museums. 90 00:07:29,783 --> 00:07:31,743 Bolton: "Savage Beauty" was the turning point 91 00:07:32,119 --> 00:07:36,331 in terms of how art critics began to view fashion, 92 00:07:37,124 --> 00:07:40,501 and the first time they did begin to see it as an art form. 93 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:45,548 When you're confronted by genius, 94 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:47,842 it speaks to everybody. 95 00:07:50,511 --> 00:07:54,599 McQueen was one of the most provocative designers, 96 00:07:57,060 --> 00:07:59,729 but I always saw this incredible beauty 97 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:02,065 about his work and this deep romance. 98 00:08:04,151 --> 00:08:07,321 He always tried to tap into this juncture between 99 00:08:07,362 --> 00:08:10,615 beauty and ugliness and terror. 100 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:26,256 And he had that ability to use clothes to move you. 101 00:08:30,718 --> 00:08:32,679 The McQueen show has become a little bit 102 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,264 of an albatross in a way... 103 00:08:34,848 --> 00:08:37,184 A millstone around my neck. Because it's the show 104 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:39,519 that every show that I've done subsequently 105 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:40,937 is measured against. 106 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:45,317 Invariably the reviews in The New York Times... 107 00:08:46,109 --> 00:08:48,236 "Not as good as the McQueen show." 108 00:08:49,404 --> 00:08:50,905 And it's sort of... 109 00:08:51,572 --> 00:08:54,868 disappointing to read that in print 110 00:08:54,909 --> 00:08:56,786 because every show has its own momentum. 111 00:09:03,918 --> 00:09:06,921 I remember being at school, and we had a career adviser. 112 00:09:08,006 --> 00:09:09,383 They went around the class saying, 113 00:09:09,424 --> 00:09:10,925 you know, "What's your ideal job?" 114 00:09:10,967 --> 00:09:12,386 And I said my ideal job would be 115 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:14,221 curator in the Costume Institute of the Met. 116 00:09:14,262 --> 00:09:15,680 And I was about 17. 117 00:09:19,226 --> 00:09:21,602 It really was a dream come true. 118 00:09:23,271 --> 00:09:25,648 I was just so seduced by the romance 119 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:27,484 of getting lost in the museum and 120 00:09:27,526 --> 00:09:30,778 finding objects that you weren't expecting. 121 00:09:32,322 --> 00:09:35,909 But my overwhelming emotion was just being intimidated by 122 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:37,411 the museum and the curators. 123 00:09:38,537 --> 00:09:40,830 I felt a bit of a fraud as well, to be honest. 124 00:09:40,872 --> 00:09:43,417 I felt as if I was gonna get found out really quickly 125 00:09:43,458 --> 00:09:46,878 that I wasn't actually meant to be doing the job. 126 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,338 I still feel a bit like that. 127 00:09:50,382 --> 00:09:53,427 This show that we're currently curating is called 128 00:09:53,468 --> 00:09:54,928 "China: Through the Looking Glass." 129 00:09:57,556 --> 00:10:00,058 It's a collaboration between the Costume Institute 130 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,394 and the Department of Asian Art. 131 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:06,898 We want to show how Western fashion designers 132 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,109 look to China for inspiration. 133 00:10:10,735 --> 00:10:14,489 There is this ongoing dialogue between the East and the West. 134 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,618 And fashion is easier to understand 135 00:10:18,659 --> 00:10:20,203 than language itself. 136 00:10:22,497 --> 00:10:24,332 Every show I do is quite personal 137 00:10:24,374 --> 00:10:27,127 and I'm so tired of hearing how 138 00:10:27,168 --> 00:10:30,297 McQueen is the most successful show we've ever done. 139 00:10:31,672 --> 00:10:33,758 It would be nice if China was able 140 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,677 to knock it off its pedestal. 141 00:10:54,821 --> 00:10:56,323 Bolton: It's like the Great Wall of China. 142 00:10:56,364 --> 00:10:57,240 (Wintour chuckles) 143 00:10:58,492 --> 00:11:00,201 - Let's start at the beginning - Wintour: Wow! 144 00:11:00,243 --> 00:11:02,454 - Wintour: - It's huge. Yeah. 145 00:11:02,829 --> 00:11:04,080 Bolton: We have a whole section based on 146 00:11:04,122 --> 00:11:05,332 blue and white porcelain. 147 00:11:06,874 --> 00:11:08,335 Starting with a really early one from Molyneux from the 20s. 148 00:11:08,376 --> 00:11:10,753 - And then Sarah's from... - Wintour: They were amazing. 149 00:11:10,795 --> 00:11:13,214 Bolton: This is Guo Pei, a Chinese designer. 150 00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:16,759 Cavalli, Karl, Rodarte... 151 00:11:17,552 --> 00:11:21,848 That leads into St. Laurent's Chinese collection 152 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:24,017 - and his Opium scent. - Okay. 153 00:11:24,058 --> 00:11:27,061 We're borrowing one of those from the St. Laurent archive. 154 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:28,855 But the big presence really 155 00:11:28,896 --> 00:11:31,232 is John's Chinese collection for Dior. 156 00:11:47,832 --> 00:11:49,917 Oh, wow! 157 00:11:54,797 --> 00:11:56,299 Look at the fullness. 158 00:12:01,596 --> 00:12:03,097 Love his tailoring. 159 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:13,233 Bolton: Galliano is a designer who is difficult to unpack. 160 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:15,569 Because he's collaging all these ideas 161 00:12:15,610 --> 00:12:16,944 into a particular collection. 162 00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:20,407 He's taken the idea of the 18th Century panier, 163 00:12:20,448 --> 00:12:22,825 which is normally at the side of the gown, 164 00:12:22,867 --> 00:12:24,536 and twisted it around so its frontal. 165 00:12:24,578 --> 00:12:28,122 He's doing so many references to the Bowery, the Queen Mother. 166 00:12:28,582 --> 00:12:32,085 Eighteenth century, Peking opera, Kabuki. 167 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:36,506 He's an amazing storyteller 168 00:12:36,548 --> 00:12:39,175 on the level of fantasy and romance. 169 00:12:40,468 --> 00:12:43,096 So I wanted to interview John because he looks at China 170 00:12:43,137 --> 00:12:44,972 constantly for inspiration. 171 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:50,687 What surprised me was how consistent China was as 172 00:12:50,729 --> 00:12:53,607 an inspiration in your work and I just wanted to find out, 173 00:12:53,648 --> 00:12:54,691 why China? 174 00:12:55,900 --> 00:13:00,779 I think it was that sense of mystery and... 175 00:13:01,531 --> 00:13:04,783 ...danger, but only danger that you've got that feeling 176 00:13:04,825 --> 00:13:07,036 through portrayals from Hollywood. 177 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,457 There's mixtures of Chinese opera, geisha 178 00:13:10,498 --> 00:13:12,166 and the Queen Mother... 179 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:17,171 I don't think I set out to recreate China. 180 00:13:17,505 --> 00:13:20,508 As you can see, I certainly didn't achieve it. 181 00:13:21,842 --> 00:13:23,553 So, it was a fantasized... 182 00:13:24,596 --> 00:13:26,347 ...vision of China. 183 00:13:31,603 --> 00:13:34,355 A fictional character develops, 184 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:37,984 and I kinda, like, start living it, 185 00:13:38,025 --> 00:13:39,193 breathing it. 186 00:13:40,779 --> 00:13:44,115 Paint the picture who she is, how she looks by candle light. 187 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,867 Can you smell that powdery lipstick? 188 00:13:51,748 --> 00:13:55,251 I like to express my emotion through the cut. 189 00:13:56,169 --> 00:13:57,629 Each time you cut a fabric, 190 00:13:57,671 --> 00:14:00,507 it's a different relationship you have to it. 191 00:14:00,548 --> 00:14:03,510 It can be like mercurial liquid oil. 192 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,929 Or like licorice. 193 00:14:08,598 --> 00:14:11,601 The creative process is my meditation. 194 00:14:13,436 --> 00:14:16,147 Playing with textures and shapes and volumes... 195 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:19,233 That's something that I love. 196 00:14:21,736 --> 00:14:23,070 And because of that, 197 00:14:23,530 --> 00:14:27,534 I am able to to even think about 198 00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:32,372 going back into an industry where I've become an outcast. 199 00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:38,670 That fantasy world that I create is an escape for me. 200 00:14:39,295 --> 00:14:41,506 (indistinct chatter) 201 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:55,395 Bolton: John weaves these 202 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,938 very personal 203 00:14:58,439 --> 00:15:02,276 and seemingly bizarre narratives into his fashion. 204 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:09,033 It's quite easy to dismiss fashion designer's 205 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:11,077 engagement with China, 206 00:15:11,118 --> 00:15:13,246 as being inauthentic. 207 00:15:16,499 --> 00:15:19,586 But I want to focus on these works of art that are 208 00:15:19,627 --> 00:15:23,673 extraordinary examples of a designer's imagination. 209 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,261 You think about someone like Saint Laurent... 210 00:15:28,803 --> 00:15:32,139 He absolutely changed the course of fashion history. 211 00:15:46,654 --> 00:15:49,741 There's about 2,000 pieces in total haute couture? 212 00:15:49,783 --> 00:15:51,242 I think it's more. 213 00:15:51,576 --> 00:15:54,120 - Between 5,000 and 6,000. - Six thousand. 214 00:16:01,210 --> 00:16:03,212 - So beautiful... - It's a Mondrian. 215 00:16:03,254 --> 00:16:04,464 You've got so many of them. 216 00:16:04,505 --> 00:16:07,007 Yeah, we have different versions. 217 00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:08,259 Bolton: The Mondrian dress, 218 00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:10,720 with the idea of lining up the stripes. 219 00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:12,221 It's such tour de force, isn't it? 220 00:16:12,555 --> 00:16:13,932 Bolton: It looks very easy. 221 00:16:14,265 --> 00:16:15,975 It's such a complicated thing to achieve. 222 00:16:16,016 --> 00:16:17,351 It's so radical. 223 00:16:18,812 --> 00:16:20,480 Do you have the '71? 224 00:16:20,521 --> 00:16:22,857 - Seventy-one fur, yeah! - You do. 225 00:16:22,899 --> 00:16:24,066 Yeah. Okay. 226 00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:27,111 Bolton: The craftsmanship that went Saint Laurent's clothes, 227 00:16:27,153 --> 00:16:29,656 his usage of embroidery, the element of camp... 228 00:16:29,697 --> 00:16:30,657 It's iconic. 229 00:16:32,074 --> 00:16:33,242 Bolton: They are unquestionably works of art. 230 00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:35,703 Oh, my goodness, I haven't seen that before. 231 00:16:35,745 --> 00:16:36,996 It's very modern. 232 00:16:37,037 --> 00:16:38,456 Unbelievable. 233 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:42,376 Bolton: I see so much magic still in fashion. 234 00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:45,880 It's just overwhelming. 235 00:16:45,922 --> 00:16:47,214 A dream come true. 236 00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:50,092 (chuckles) 237 00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:57,057 Bolton: I grew up in a small town in England. 238 00:16:58,726 --> 00:17:03,731 And the only access I had to fashion were 239 00:17:03,773 --> 00:17:06,400 star magazines, emerging in the 80s. 240 00:17:09,612 --> 00:17:11,280 I just missed the punk movement. 241 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,867 The first movement that I really engaged with 242 00:17:13,908 --> 00:17:15,075 was New Romanticism. 243 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:18,579 Which was all about gender blurring. 244 00:17:24,752 --> 00:17:27,046 I remember seeing people on the streets 245 00:17:27,087 --> 00:17:28,381 thinking how they looked like 246 00:17:28,422 --> 00:17:30,257 they'd arrived from another planet. 247 00:17:32,927 --> 00:17:34,595 But also how brave they were. 248 00:17:36,806 --> 00:17:41,268 I was so impressed by the power of fashion 249 00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:44,397 to confront gender and sexuality. 250 00:17:47,358 --> 00:17:49,443 That's never left me, anyway. 251 00:17:50,862 --> 00:17:54,240 You're still that little kid from Lancashire who... 252 00:17:54,949 --> 00:17:56,784 ...is totally in awe. 253 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:15,011 Ah, Lawrence, where is Singh, please? 254 00:18:15,636 --> 00:18:18,180 - Lawrence: - Okay. 255 00:18:32,152 --> 00:18:34,196 Wintour: The Costume Institute and Vogue 256 00:18:34,238 --> 00:18:35,782 have a long history together. 257 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:40,119 Diana Vreeland actually ran it after she left Vogue. 258 00:18:40,494 --> 00:18:42,455 Please don't stand there! 259 00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:46,626 Wintour: We have one major party every year 260 00:18:47,001 --> 00:18:50,504 to raise funds for the Costume Institute. 261 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,465 The party supports 262 00:18:52,506 --> 00:18:56,719 our operating budget for the entire year. 263 00:18:57,971 --> 00:19:01,432 Koda: The Met Gala was the invention of 264 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:04,268 this small group of fashion professionals. 265 00:19:05,227 --> 00:19:06,687 It was relatively small, 266 00:19:06,729 --> 00:19:08,856 but the department itself was very small. 267 00:19:09,857 --> 00:19:11,734 Bolton: Anna's taking it to a different level, 268 00:19:11,776 --> 00:19:15,237 in terms of the money that she's raised over the years. 269 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,198 $120 million for our department alone. 270 00:19:18,783 --> 00:19:20,827 Michelle Obama: Thanks to Anna's contributions, 271 00:19:20,868 --> 00:19:22,662 the exhibits at the Costume Institute 272 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:26,248 have drawn hundreds of thousands of visitors 273 00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:28,668 to this great American museum. 274 00:19:28,709 --> 00:19:30,670 (applause) 275 00:19:38,803 --> 00:19:41,388 Since Anna Wintour has taken over the Met ball, 276 00:19:41,764 --> 00:19:45,768 it has become the Super Bowl of social fashion events. 277 00:19:46,393 --> 00:19:47,603 It starts with months of preparations, 278 00:19:47,645 --> 00:19:49,147 not just for the exhibit, 279 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:51,398 but for the actual Met Gala. 280 00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:56,362 Woman: We're starting to plan for the gala, 281 00:19:56,403 --> 00:19:58,614 starting to organize with everything. 282 00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,533 Do we want to talk about guest count right now? 283 00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:03,536 I think we should keep the number as low 284 00:20:03,577 --> 00:20:04,829 as we possibly can. 285 00:20:04,871 --> 00:20:05,579 We were 608 last year. 286 00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:07,498 Okay, we're gonna start with 500. 287 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:09,125 - Five hundred. - Five hundred. 288 00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:10,376 Five hundred. 289 00:20:11,794 --> 00:20:12,545 And everybody is cutting their numbers, right, Harold? 290 00:20:13,963 --> 00:20:15,589 - Do we need to talk about it? - Yeah, we're trying. 291 00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:18,176 There is the issue of our partnership with 292 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:19,802 the Chinese Department... 293 00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:21,428 That's another... 294 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:23,347 We really have to keep the numbers down 295 00:20:23,389 --> 00:20:24,849 and also the free seats. 296 00:20:25,265 --> 00:20:28,686 There must be another way that we can accommodate people. 297 00:20:30,479 --> 00:20:31,647 You'll figure it out. 298 00:20:33,024 --> 00:20:37,945 Anna is meticulously vetting every single thing, 299 00:20:37,987 --> 00:20:40,948 from the napkins, to the forks, to the lighting... 300 00:20:42,116 --> 00:20:44,410 The detail of the flowers, the detail of the ushers, 301 00:20:44,451 --> 00:20:45,578 the way they're dressed. 302 00:20:46,829 --> 00:20:48,081 Everything has been vetted by her for months 303 00:20:48,122 --> 00:20:49,582 and weeks and months and weeks. 304 00:20:49,623 --> 00:20:54,128 Okay, is there going to be somebody literally here? 305 00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:55,462 We have two people here. 306 00:20:55,504 --> 00:20:57,006 Will there be someone there too? 307 00:20:57,048 --> 00:21:00,051 Yes, we have literally an army up here. 308 00:21:00,093 --> 00:21:02,929 It's a full battle squad. 309 00:21:05,806 --> 00:21:07,474 André Leon Talley: She has her legions, 310 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:09,769 her generals, who work at Vogue. 311 00:21:09,810 --> 00:21:13,313 Hi, girls, the plan today is just to walk through 312 00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:15,608 the path that our guests are gonna be taking, 313 00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:18,527 and also to place you in your positions. 314 00:21:18,569 --> 00:21:20,154 So if you could make your way up the stairs, 315 00:21:20,196 --> 00:21:21,739 just stagger yourselves, girls. 316 00:21:21,781 --> 00:21:23,991 Please scatter a few steps up. 317 00:21:26,577 --> 00:21:28,454 Talley: Now, the Met is a place 318 00:21:28,495 --> 00:21:31,165 that you consider very, very correct. 319 00:21:31,582 --> 00:21:33,251 Very formal. 320 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:35,335 Anna has taken that out of the Met. 321 00:21:37,421 --> 00:21:38,672 Photographer: Happy! 322 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,817 Sylvana Ward Durrett: We have Dave Franco, 323 00:21:57,858 --> 00:21:59,485 and then who's the other one you were saying? 324 00:21:59,526 --> 00:22:01,154 Josh Hartnett. 325 00:22:01,195 --> 00:22:03,156 What has he done lately? Nothing. 326 00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:04,949 You guys are set. 327 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,785 You have great carpet material right now. 328 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,579 Yeah, you have Kendall! 329 00:22:12,915 --> 00:22:17,419 Michael Kors has Liz Banks and Kate Hudson. 330 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:19,379 Prada has Emily Blunt. 331 00:22:19,755 --> 00:22:22,133 Ralph has Anne Hathaway. 332 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:24,218 Versace has JLo. 333 00:22:24,635 --> 00:22:28,181 Beyoncé, Kim and Kanye, 334 00:22:28,597 --> 00:22:31,725 Rihanna, Kara, 335 00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:33,519 Amber Heard, 336 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,188 Chastain, Julianne Moore... 337 00:22:35,229 --> 00:22:38,398 All of those people are us, I believe, right? 338 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,692 Woman: Yes. 339 00:22:40,151 --> 00:22:41,319 They want to come? 340 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,154 - We're not completely sure yet. - Okay. 341 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,906 Baz Luhrmann: As an icon, Anna is very unique. 342 00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:48,450 On the face of it, she's the editor 343 00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:51,453 of a very powerful American-based magazine. 344 00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:57,751 She's the artistic director of a whole stable of magazines. 345 00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:03,590 But that is not really the power of Anna Wintour. 346 00:23:05,968 --> 00:23:08,554 Anna's gift is bringing culture, 347 00:23:08,595 --> 00:23:10,723 both high and low, 348 00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:12,683 to cross-fertilize. 349 00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:14,727 - Hi, guys! - Hey, Anna! 350 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:16,520 - You ready? - Totally. 351 00:23:16,562 --> 00:23:18,438 Okay, let's see the walk. 352 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:24,570 The Met Gala is a celebration of a multi-cultural moment. 353 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,282 Pop and fine art mix in the Metropolitan Museum. 354 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,577 Luhrmann: You can have an acting icon next to 355 00:23:31,618 --> 00:23:34,121 a musical icon, next to a political icon. 356 00:23:34,705 --> 00:23:37,083 It's like a giant aquarium on that night. 357 00:23:38,251 --> 00:23:41,170 Durrett: A lot of thought goes into who sits next to who. 358 00:23:41,628 --> 00:23:43,297 If they sat next to each other last year. 359 00:23:43,339 --> 00:23:45,674 If they sat next to each other at other events. 360 00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:48,802 So much goes into it. It's shocking. 361 00:23:49,469 --> 00:23:51,389 A lot of power-brokering. 362 00:23:51,722 --> 00:23:54,683 Alex has six seats, he's bringing 363 00:23:54,725 --> 00:23:56,977 Gaga, Miley, Zoe. 364 00:23:57,477 --> 00:23:58,896 Here's Tory. 365 00:23:58,938 --> 00:23:59,772 Durrett: Ah-hah. 366 00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:02,024 She's looking for one other guy. 367 00:24:02,358 --> 00:24:05,319 And then Ricardo is down here with Jessica, 368 00:24:05,361 --> 00:24:07,988 Julianne and Beyoncé. 369 00:24:08,364 --> 00:24:09,531 So that's that. 370 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,286 What Anna has done is understood that high fashion, 371 00:24:13,327 --> 00:24:17,664 I mean, the most extraordinary expression of this medium, 372 00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:21,127 when it's paired with celebrity, 373 00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:23,170 becomes something bigger than both. 374 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,507 And that is what happens on the red carpet. 375 00:24:28,508 --> 00:24:32,346 When you see Rihanna in a couture gown, 376 00:24:32,763 --> 00:24:34,265 it's transcendent. 377 00:24:35,557 --> 00:24:38,476 Talley: Each celebrity has been chosen 378 00:24:38,518 --> 00:24:41,272 to wear a gown by designers. 379 00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:43,023 It's like assignments. 380 00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:45,734 The Met, for me, means a lot. 381 00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:47,485 It's the only red carpet I do. 382 00:24:48,195 --> 00:24:50,823 Riccardo Tisci: Each designer brings his own muse. 383 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:54,368 A singer, a friend, a model, an actress. 384 00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:58,538 You bring the person that most represents your aesthetic. 385 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,584 Koda: That attention all accrues 386 00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:04,962 to the reputation of the museum. 387 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:08,382 I thought he wasn't coming. 388 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:10,550 I know, but then he decided he wanted to come. 389 00:25:10,884 --> 00:25:13,762 Okay. Can he not be on his cell phone the entire time then? 390 00:25:13,804 --> 00:25:15,889 - Mm-hmmm. - Maybe send him that message. 391 00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:17,808 Loud and clear. 392 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:20,186 - Who's that? - These are the two Handamp;M people. 393 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:23,063 Wintour: We shouldn't bury this table. 394 00:25:23,563 --> 00:25:24,898 Seriously. 395 00:25:25,483 --> 00:25:27,485 - Yes. - That's not fair. 396 00:25:27,525 --> 00:25:29,028 - Okay. - Okay? 397 00:25:29,569 --> 00:25:31,322 And then who are these people? 398 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:34,574 Those are people who I'm hoping will go away. 399 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:38,620 Okay. 400 00:26:00,476 --> 00:26:02,895 The exhibition, "China through the Looking Glass," 401 00:26:02,936 --> 00:26:04,813 will present an image of China 402 00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:06,982 that is a fabulous invention. 403 00:26:07,649 --> 00:26:09,360 Often film is the first lens 404 00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:12,405 through Western designers encounter Chinese imagery. 405 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:16,700 And the exhibition will explore the impact of movies 406 00:26:16,742 --> 00:26:18,660 in shaping their fantasies. 407 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:30,714 The film perhaps that's had the greatest influence on designers, 408 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:33,175 is Wong Kar Wai's In the Mood for Love. 409 00:26:36,136 --> 00:26:38,472 No one has made the chi-pao look quite as beautiful 410 00:26:38,514 --> 00:26:40,766 on screen as Wong Kar Wai. 411 00:26:44,728 --> 00:26:46,146 In the Mood for Love, 412 00:26:46,188 --> 00:26:49,275 I would see it many times and I love it. 413 00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:53,987 It was like a truly, like, beautiful gesture. 414 00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:55,948 The colors were fantastic. 415 00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:59,617 It's after that that I did my Chinese collection. 416 00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:02,037 I think is must be like one year after. 417 00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:07,751 It's good even not to go to the country! 418 00:27:08,168 --> 00:27:10,337 It's better, I think, like to see through a book, 419 00:27:10,379 --> 00:27:13,215 or to see all movie, on the souvenir you have. 420 00:27:14,592 --> 00:27:16,552 Bolton: We thought Kar Wai was the right choice 421 00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:19,846 to be the artistic director of the exhibition. 422 00:27:21,848 --> 00:27:23,350 Bolton: We're working on the exhibition 423 00:27:23,392 --> 00:27:24,810 design concepts still. 424 00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:26,770 We're having the films be the filter 425 00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:30,483 between the art objects and the high fashions. 426 00:27:30,524 --> 00:27:31,984 Sometimes directly related, 427 00:27:32,025 --> 00:27:34,861 and sometimes more of a metaphorical device. 428 00:27:37,406 --> 00:27:40,576 I would love the films to be projected, 429 00:27:40,618 --> 00:27:43,078 so that they're almost these spectral figures 430 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,538 throughout the show. 431 00:27:46,123 --> 00:27:49,209 Because I don't think this show will have a linear narrative. 432 00:27:49,709 --> 00:27:53,339 Now the structure of the show is more like a Chinese garden. 433 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:57,717 You have an entrance, but then you're free to walk. 434 00:27:57,759 --> 00:27:59,219 That's a really good point. 435 00:27:59,845 --> 00:28:02,515 Kar Wai: So, I would use this medium 436 00:28:02,556 --> 00:28:06,852 to create a continuity and, also, the expression. 437 00:28:12,316 --> 00:28:14,527 Bolton: There's two venues for the exhibition. 438 00:28:14,568 --> 00:28:16,612 We have the Costume Institute galleries 439 00:28:16,654 --> 00:28:17,946 in the basement of the museum, 440 00:28:17,988 --> 00:28:20,032 and then we also have the Chinese galleries 441 00:28:20,073 --> 00:28:21,741 on the second floor. 442 00:28:23,577 --> 00:28:24,911 The Chinese galleries 443 00:28:24,953 --> 00:28:26,038 themselves weren't designed for costumes, 444 00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:28,874 they were designed for flat works of art. 445 00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:30,750 So incorporating costume within them 446 00:28:30,792 --> 00:28:33,086 is challenging, to say the least! 447 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,422 Mike Hearn: We have over 50 galleries 448 00:28:35,464 --> 00:28:36,923 of Asian art at the Met, 449 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:39,593 so it's probably the most comprehensive collection 450 00:28:39,635 --> 00:28:40,719 of Asian art anywhere. 451 00:28:42,304 --> 00:28:44,806 There are bigger collections of Chinese art in China obviously. 452 00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:48,268 There's better collections of Cambodian art in Cambodia. 453 00:28:48,602 --> 00:28:50,312 But we do a pretty good job. 454 00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:56,610 What I want to do is do these 20-foot plexi-rods of 455 00:28:56,652 --> 00:29:00,072 different sizes of that naturally bend and light them. 456 00:29:00,113 --> 00:29:01,657 So this is the first room that you see. 457 00:29:01,699 --> 00:29:03,283 Yes, bamboo forest. 458 00:29:03,325 --> 00:29:06,495 The bamboo platform comes all the way out here, 459 00:29:06,537 --> 00:29:07,705 then it turns. 460 00:29:07,954 --> 00:29:09,415 The height of the bamboo goes just underneath 461 00:29:09,456 --> 00:29:11,791 - the Arthur Sackler... - Bolton: Gallery. 462 00:29:12,501 --> 00:29:14,169 Nathan Crowley: As you walk to the great 463 00:29:14,211 --> 00:29:15,713 early Buddha sculpture hall, 464 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:18,716 you are transported into another world. 465 00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:22,886 We tried to show Chinese art from the perspective 466 00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:24,971 of the Chinese themselves. 467 00:29:25,013 --> 00:29:26,599 It's not Disneyland. 468 00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:29,685 I'm gonna put a 14-foot wide platform 469 00:29:29,727 --> 00:29:31,103 by 12-foot platform here. 470 00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:32,605 Cover this with a grey mirror. 471 00:29:32,646 --> 00:29:34,523 I think Mike thought it might look a bit too Disney. 472 00:29:34,565 --> 00:29:37,359 We're gonna have panels anyway. I think we just make them. 473 00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:41,614 Bolton: The curators in the Asian Art Department 474 00:29:41,655 --> 00:29:42,822 were worried about 475 00:29:44,408 --> 00:29:45,075 some of the topics the exhibition was addressing. 476 00:29:46,452 --> 00:29:49,496 It opens up debates about colonialism, 477 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:51,290 Orientalism, 478 00:29:51,331 --> 00:29:54,876 which could be interpreted as being racist. 479 00:29:55,586 --> 00:29:56,754 Hearn: For the West, 480 00:29:58,255 --> 00:29:59,005 it didn't matter whether we're talking about 481 00:29:59,047 --> 00:29:59,881 China, Japan, Korea. 482 00:30:01,592 --> 00:30:03,636 All of that was somehow lumped together as "Oriental." 483 00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:07,306 And I think there's still a really strong sense 484 00:30:07,347 --> 00:30:09,975 that China has been taken advantage of, 485 00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:12,894 maybe misunderstood, by the West. 486 00:30:22,696 --> 00:30:24,281 Isn't this place marvelous? 487 00:30:24,906 --> 00:30:26,283 Look at those faces. 488 00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:28,076 Hindu, Chinese, Portuguese, 489 00:30:28,118 --> 00:30:29,828 Filipinos, Russians, Malaya. 490 00:30:29,869 --> 00:30:31,580 I didn't think such a place existed 491 00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:33,332 except in my own imagination. 492 00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:36,710 Bolton: So many designers reference China 493 00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:39,129 through the films of the 30s. 494 00:30:41,131 --> 00:30:43,342 It's the China that is the stereotype. 495 00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:47,513 And I want to sort of deconstruct those stereotypes. 496 00:30:47,554 --> 00:30:52,351 And tease out some of the complexities and the dangers, 497 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,062 but also the romance of them, as well. 498 00:30:59,149 --> 00:31:02,528 Anna May Wong was a Hollywood starlet 499 00:31:02,569 --> 00:31:04,571 in the 30s and 40s, 500 00:31:04,613 --> 00:31:06,114 who was fated to play 501 00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:08,492 stereotypes of the Chinese woman. 502 00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:13,038 And it's either the Lotus Blossom, 503 00:31:14,331 --> 00:31:15,415 or the Dragon Lady, 504 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,627 which is basically an Orientalized femme fatale. 505 00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:20,337 Don't do anything foolish. 506 00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:24,090 The Dragon Lady is a figure who projects our fears 507 00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:26,510 and desires and anxieties onto you. 508 00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:30,389 She is quasi-matriarchal, 509 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:33,392 she is financially independent, she's sexually liberated. 510 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,688 She in a way lends herself to a feminist interpretation... 511 00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:41,650 ...because the Dragon Lady has become a way to represent 512 00:31:41,692 --> 00:31:42,860 any powerful woman. 513 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,572 I though the gentleman in the black night gown was the boss. 514 00:31:46,613 --> 00:31:48,782 Who, Money Bags? He's an errand boy. 515 00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,451 The real boss is a remarkable lady, 516 00:31:51,493 --> 00:31:54,413 the most cold-blooded dragon you will ever meet. 517 00:31:54,454 --> 00:31:58,124 She'll devour you like a cat swallows a mouse. 518 00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:13,139 I've never seen anything like it. 519 00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:15,058 You walk in and this is what you see? 520 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:16,560 It's not possible. 521 00:32:16,976 --> 00:32:18,395 This is the reception area? 522 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:19,563 Man: This is when you walk in... 523 00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:20,355 The racks? 524 00:32:20,397 --> 00:32:22,107 I need to look at a plan. 525 00:32:22,148 --> 00:32:26,111 This is not what you want to see when people walk in. 526 00:32:26,152 --> 00:32:28,947 Okay, so this has to go. Xavier, are you listening to me? 527 00:32:28,988 --> 00:32:30,198 - Yes. - Okay. 528 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,950 All this furniture here should go. 529 00:32:31,991 --> 00:32:33,243 Get rid of all that. 530 00:32:33,535 --> 00:32:35,454 It has to look like an area that you walk into. 531 00:32:35,495 --> 00:32:37,289 - That it's professional. - Yes. 532 00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:40,667 Not like a second-hand vintage store. 533 00:32:41,835 --> 00:32:43,754 No, no, no, in the closet. 534 00:32:45,297 --> 00:32:47,466 What about the lobby furniture? 535 00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:49,259 I didn't even look at that. 536 00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:51,428 This is making me feel violently ill. 537 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:53,513 Take the whole thing out. It's horrible. 538 00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:55,223 It's just gonna give people a headache. 539 00:32:55,265 --> 00:32:57,434 Are we able to soften it a little bit so it's not... 540 00:32:57,476 --> 00:32:59,102 So it doesn't look like a disco. 541 00:33:02,021 --> 00:33:04,441 (indistinct speech) 542 00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:08,069 Let me say something about the Dragon Lady image. 543 00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:10,489 Anna has a public image. 544 00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:12,240 Hi, thank you for joining us. 545 00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:14,284 Anna Wintour, welcome to CNN. 546 00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:16,244 Luhrmann: A lot of that is absolutely true, 547 00:33:16,286 --> 00:33:19,957 but I do think that if Anna was a man, 548 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,502 there might be less focus on that. 549 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:25,879 Because of your success and your determination, 550 00:33:25,921 --> 00:33:28,507 you've earned a reputation of being intimidating. 551 00:33:28,548 --> 00:33:29,800 Is that unfair? 552 00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:33,762 Um, I think I'm decisive, 553 00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:35,472 and I like to get things done quickly, 554 00:33:35,806 --> 00:33:38,183 so if that comes across as intimidation, 555 00:33:38,224 --> 00:33:39,392 I'm sorry to hear it. 556 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:42,646 There are so many different stereotypes and... 557 00:33:43,605 --> 00:33:44,648 I... 558 00:33:45,273 --> 00:33:48,318 ...think if one is bothered by it, 559 00:33:48,986 --> 00:33:53,198 ...it's a little bit fruitless because it's out there. 560 00:33:53,239 --> 00:33:54,658 Inevitably, I have to ask you 561 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,576 just one question about Devil Wears Prada. 562 00:33:56,618 --> 00:33:58,453 A former assistant wrote the book, 563 00:33:58,495 --> 00:33:59,997 later turned into a movie. 564 00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:03,124 Do you feel that that was a breach of trust? 565 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:06,044 Ah, well... 566 00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:07,754 It's part of life. 567 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,882 Stereotypes always are going to exist, 568 00:34:09,923 --> 00:34:11,800 is what you do with them, what you make of them. 569 00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,344 I think that she brought attention to fashion, 570 00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:17,389 in a way... You can look at it in a negative way, 571 00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:18,765 or in a positive way. 572 00:34:18,807 --> 00:34:20,976 I choose to look at it in a positive way. 573 00:34:21,018 --> 00:34:24,103 In some ways, I think I should be grateful to her. 574 00:34:24,521 --> 00:34:27,607 Luhrmann: I've seen her recently play herself, 575 00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:30,944 and she plays the person everyone thinks she is. 576 00:34:32,153 --> 00:34:35,448 But it's a character. It's kind of her "work armor." 577 00:34:36,491 --> 00:34:39,494 (indistinct conversations) 578 00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:42,956 Man: There's an updated decor concept. 579 00:34:43,456 --> 00:34:46,626 We've floralized quite a lot of the design. 580 00:34:47,335 --> 00:34:49,546 This is one idea. 581 00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:52,507 And now this is the other. 582 00:34:52,549 --> 00:34:54,426 That might be a bit much for the carpet. 583 00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:56,386 I think that we can... 584 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:57,679 - Tone it down. - Exactly. 585 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,640 That's a lot of flowers. What are the flowers underneath? 586 00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:03,769 - Looks like wisteria. - It's wisteria, yes. 587 00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:05,144 Wisteria and bamboo. 588 00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:07,188 What about pale lilac rather...? 589 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:08,565 We can do pale. 590 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,233 Cause I think pale would look prettier 591 00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:11,985 with the blue than that dark color. 592 00:35:12,027 --> 00:35:14,404 - I don't like that combination. - With this color. 593 00:35:14,446 --> 00:35:16,073 - But pale. - Yes. 594 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:18,825 - We can go back to this. - Yeah, we'll talk about it. 595 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,203 - Temple of Dendur... - Wow... 596 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,413 Don't know about that. 597 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:24,790 Man: What aren't you sure of? 598 00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:27,375 I don't see how you can compete with the temple. 599 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,335 Whatever you put there is gonna look fake. 600 00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:31,296 Man: There's very little we can do. 601 00:35:31,337 --> 00:35:33,214 This is gonna look like a Chinese restaurant. 602 00:35:34,716 --> 00:35:36,635 I just don't see how you can compete with that. 603 00:35:36,676 --> 00:35:38,595 - Yeah, no. - I mean it's, well... 604 00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:40,806 If it was at night, you have more of a chance. 605 00:35:40,847 --> 00:35:41,807 Yeah. 606 00:35:43,016 --> 00:35:44,559 So my advice is, I would keep to the bridge, 607 00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:46,519 - I'd definitely do the lilies. - Bolton: The lilies. 608 00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:49,856 And some decoration and then some Chinese-type furniture. 609 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:51,817 Okay, thank you. 610 00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:06,706 Bolton: We haven't yet finalized the design of the exhibition. 611 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,292 We're end of December at the moment, 612 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:11,503 so that's pretty late, in fact, it's very late. 613 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:16,508 Campbell: One of the big challenges 614 00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:18,551 is the short time period in which 615 00:36:18,593 --> 00:36:20,679 we are pulling the exhibition together. 616 00:36:21,096 --> 00:36:23,890 It's the largest costume exhibition we've ever done. 617 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,519 I really want the pace to change 618 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,312 when you go through, so I like the fact that 619 00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,690 this is quieter and more reflective. 620 00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:32,774 And here, 621 00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:35,777 - it's just sensory overload. - It's just a drawing. 622 00:36:35,819 --> 00:36:36,653 Bolton: It's proving difficult, 623 00:36:38,155 --> 00:36:40,699 not just because of the size and scope of the exhibition, 624 00:36:41,074 --> 00:36:43,409 but there's a lot of conceptual challenges 625 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:44,870 and political hurdles. 626 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:47,914 (speaking Chinese) 627 00:36:47,956 --> 00:36:49,541 Bolton: They're constantly being brought up 628 00:36:49,582 --> 00:36:51,168 by the Asian Art Department. 629 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:52,418 Probably this one... 630 00:36:53,753 --> 00:36:54,880 Hearn: What is key for the success of all of this 631 00:36:54,921 --> 00:36:56,715 is that there is some conversation with 632 00:36:56,756 --> 00:37:00,510 the Chinese works of art, so that it is not just wallpaper. 633 00:37:01,928 --> 00:37:04,222 I think bringing Western fashion 634 00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:06,141 into the Chinese galleries 635 00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:09,102 could be perceived as a misinterpretation of 636 00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:12,564 who the Chinese are, what Chinese culture is about. 637 00:37:12,605 --> 00:37:14,858 - (elevator dings) - (indistinct speech) 638 00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:23,909 This area is fashion inspired by Imperial China. 639 00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:25,660 So the idea is 640 00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:28,287 the Chinese objects will be in the perimeters 641 00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:29,789 in the cases and the fashion's in the middle, 642 00:37:29,831 --> 00:37:32,250 that's the constant you can see throughout. 643 00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:35,545 We put a color theme to each of these rooms 644 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,506 by using a light source around those objects. 645 00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:41,300 So we go from blue probably to gold 646 00:37:41,342 --> 00:37:43,720 and over to red. 647 00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:46,264 The different light colors the rooms. 648 00:37:46,305 --> 00:37:48,516 Is that a bit rainbow? 649 00:37:49,851 --> 00:37:50,769 Maybe... 650 00:37:52,187 --> 00:37:52,896 Bolton: You don't want to be fighting with the objects. 651 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,815 It'd be nice if it was a very subtle glow because otherwise, 652 00:37:55,857 --> 00:37:57,776 your eyes are being dilated by the light in the-- 653 00:37:57,817 --> 00:37:59,819 You don't want it to look like an amusement park. 654 00:37:59,861 --> 00:38:00,946 Yeah. 655 00:38:02,655 --> 00:38:03,698 All right, let's go on. 656 00:38:04,032 --> 00:38:06,785 So now we go into the bamboo forest, 657 00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:09,621 so we moved on and become a little more surreal, 658 00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:11,748 by using lit plexi-rod. 659 00:38:12,249 --> 00:38:15,168 It transfers the light all the way through the rod. 660 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:17,629 I'm hoping over 20 foot 661 00:38:18,213 --> 00:38:20,090 it would still maintain a lot of that light. 662 00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:21,716 Bolton: That's great. 663 00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:23,676 And you're okay, Mike? 664 00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:27,013 What we want to be careful about is just making sure that 665 00:38:27,055 --> 00:38:30,349 between the costumes and the bamboo forest, 666 00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:33,728 that we don't completely obscure the sculptures there. 667 00:38:34,353 --> 00:38:36,064 My goal is just to make sure that 668 00:38:36,106 --> 00:38:37,941 the Chinese objects really look their best, 669 00:38:37,983 --> 00:38:40,526 and that they aren't overshadowed or 670 00:38:41,069 --> 00:38:43,488 demeaned by whatever we do design-wise. 671 00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:45,615 But obviously for the run of this exhibition, 672 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,826 those objects are going to be not... 673 00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:49,786 They're gonna be less accessible. 674 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:53,039 But there's plenty of other things for people to see. 675 00:38:53,873 --> 00:38:56,584 I generally like the idea, but I just want to 676 00:38:56,626 --> 00:38:59,671 exercise as much discretion as possible, 677 00:38:59,712 --> 00:39:01,798 so that nobody comes around and just says 678 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,677 we're using Chinese art as just a stage prop. 679 00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:09,514 In the architectural drawings, 680 00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:11,891 I created all these sight lines to the artwork. 681 00:39:12,558 --> 00:39:14,727 I think there's 700 rods. 682 00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:17,522 Do you think we need that many? 683 00:39:17,981 --> 00:39:20,441 Yeah, I think we might need to go to a thousand. 684 00:39:21,276 --> 00:39:23,778 Well, yeah, but it takes a lot to fill a room, 685 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:25,864 and your room is enormous. 686 00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:29,575 At first, I thought we'd need 3,000 so... 687 00:39:31,661 --> 00:39:34,164 Which seems like a lot, but it's not. 688 00:39:40,128 --> 00:39:42,839 Are these tablecloths all going to be different colors? 689 00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:44,883 Yes, so these tablecloths are going to be 690 00:39:44,924 --> 00:39:48,427 - the colors of the cushions. - Yeah, I like those colors. 691 00:39:51,139 --> 00:39:52,390 - Yeah. - Oh... 692 00:39:52,431 --> 00:39:53,808 - (doorbell rings) - Okay. 693 00:39:54,809 --> 00:39:56,686 - How are you? - Hello. 694 00:39:57,436 --> 00:39:58,437 - Hi. - Hi. 695 00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:00,773 - So much to talk about. - I know. 696 00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:03,943 Can I ask this question? How "Chinesey" like...? 697 00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:05,570 We can show you. 698 00:40:06,905 --> 00:40:08,489 Like, how chinoiserie is it? Is the whole thing? 699 00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:10,116 Let me show you a rendering. 700 00:40:10,158 --> 00:40:11,576 Wintour: What do you think about this, 701 00:40:11,617 --> 00:40:12,952 as you walk up the steps? 702 00:40:14,996 --> 00:40:16,831 Raul Àvila: Dragons when people arrive. 703 00:40:17,207 --> 00:40:18,457 So that's why... 704 00:40:20,001 --> 00:40:20,960 It's more like an entrance, like, "Hey, you're in China." 705 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:23,588 Dragons might be a bit too obvious. 706 00:40:23,629 --> 00:40:24,923 Can I say this? 707 00:40:24,964 --> 00:40:26,758 I think it's fantastically strong, 708 00:40:26,799 --> 00:40:28,093 and I think it should be strong. Right? 709 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:30,553 But the reason I'm slightly reticent is, 710 00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:32,764 in terms of the crowd coming, 711 00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:37,143 how much classical Chinese imagery 712 00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:38,728 do you think they expect? 713 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,605 What they're gonna see when they walk in. 714 00:40:40,646 --> 00:40:42,982 When you go inside the great hall, you see this. 715 00:40:43,816 --> 00:40:46,903 Now that I think is unassailably beautiful. 716 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:50,573 They say "China" without saying "Chinese theme park." 717 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:52,409 I think the double dragons at the front 718 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,119 belong to another show. 719 00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:57,455 Right? And by the way, 720 00:40:57,872 --> 00:41:00,708 the water slide at the end of it is awesome, right? 721 00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:02,210 - Okay? - (laughter) 722 00:41:04,003 --> 00:41:06,214 Is this based on a Chinese something? 723 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,551 Anna, it's the "something" part than I'm worried about. 724 00:41:13,763 --> 00:41:17,142 The complexity of the subject matter itself requires 725 00:41:17,183 --> 00:41:19,852 delicate handling so we're not misunderstood. 726 00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:24,565 We're working around the main mine fields. 727 00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:27,068 How many pieces in the exhibition? 728 00:41:27,402 --> 00:41:29,862 You already got everything you want to borrow from China? 729 00:41:29,904 --> 00:41:31,656 We're just waiting to hear from the Imperial Palace. 730 00:41:32,324 --> 00:41:33,992 It would be ideal to get a Mao suit 731 00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:37,412 worn from one of the Communist Party members 732 00:41:37,454 --> 00:41:38,663 during the Cultural Revolution. 733 00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:41,540 But, I think, politically, I think it's difficult. 734 00:41:41,582 --> 00:41:47,255 Mao is an icon, and so there's a limit to what our Chinese 735 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,426 friends will tolerate in terms of how Mao is treated. 736 00:41:52,051 --> 00:41:54,053 - It has to be respectful. - I think so. 737 00:41:55,554 --> 00:41:57,932 Of course, something is probably going to blow up at any moment. 738 00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:13,906 The building with all the flags is the National Museum. 739 00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,826 Then the one on the other side of the flag 740 00:42:16,868 --> 00:42:18,744 is the Great Hall of the People. 741 00:42:20,830 --> 00:42:22,707 And this is the entrance to The Forbidden City. 742 00:42:22,748 --> 00:42:24,250 So you'll see the Mao portrait. 743 00:42:32,591 --> 00:42:33,801 It's incredible. 744 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:37,555 On display next to me is a dress by Roberto Cavalli, 745 00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:40,808 whose colors and motifs pay obvious homage 746 00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:42,560 to Chinese blue and white porcelain. 747 00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:46,898 Fashion is about ideas. The way we live. 748 00:42:46,939 --> 00:42:48,774 (indistinct conversation) 749 00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,944 Campbell: Guys, you really have your work cut out. 750 00:42:52,611 --> 00:42:54,780 Our aim is to beat McQueen numbers. 751 00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:59,244 Bolton: "China, Through the Looking Glass," 752 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:02,247 I think it's going to be inevitably controversial. 753 00:43:03,956 --> 00:43:05,333 There's going to be dissenters. 754 00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:08,127 But I'm not afraid of controversy. 755 00:43:09,962 --> 00:43:11,047 And I think the show should be controversial and provocative. 756 00:43:12,631 --> 00:43:14,050 - Hi! - Hey... 757 00:43:14,092 --> 00:43:15,843 - Good to see you again. - Good to see you. 758 00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:19,722 Bolton: So here is where I'm thinking about putting Mao, 759 00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,474 the Buddha gallery. 760 00:43:22,141 --> 00:43:24,269 It's the only space I can think about putting him. 761 00:43:25,103 --> 00:43:29,107 I think if we can have the Mao jacket sculpture here, 762 00:43:29,148 --> 00:43:31,276 that would be the centerpiece, 763 00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:33,945 focusing on the idea of changing nature 764 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,822 of deities within China and the idea of monumentality... 765 00:43:36,864 --> 00:43:39,492 You'd be able to take out all these Buddhas here? 766 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:41,827 We'd keep the Buddhas in. 767 00:43:42,828 --> 00:43:45,248 And you put Mao with all these Buddhas? 768 00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:46,332 Yeah. 769 00:43:48,167 --> 00:43:51,379 I think it makes sense intellectually because of 770 00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:53,631 the deification of Mao in China. 771 00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:57,343 I think it would be surprising to have Mao in that space. 772 00:43:59,887 --> 00:44:01,347 And it makes sense. 773 00:44:08,896 --> 00:44:10,648 You have some hesitancy still, Kar Wai, 774 00:44:10,689 --> 00:44:11,816 about the Buddhist gallery. 775 00:44:11,857 --> 00:44:13,151 - Yeah. - You still feel it. 776 00:44:13,192 --> 00:44:15,945 You still feel Mao might not work there? 777 00:44:16,821 --> 00:44:18,906 Because I think it will be... 778 00:44:19,949 --> 00:44:23,744 First of all, it will be an insult, too sensitive 779 00:44:23,786 --> 00:44:26,080 for like, not the government, 780 00:44:26,539 --> 00:44:29,417 besides that, it's the Chinese and also the Buddhists. 781 00:44:31,794 --> 00:44:32,920 And I'm thinking... 782 00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:34,464 Is it nice to get some controversy though? 783 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,882 Maybe not the way that you want. 784 00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:38,968 Not in this particular context. 785 00:44:39,385 --> 00:44:41,137 Why don't we just put it 786 00:44:41,471 --> 00:44:44,974 just before you walk into this big Buddhist hall. 787 00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:46,851 You have this Mao section. 788 00:44:47,226 --> 00:44:49,145 - Nice idea, actually. - Yeah. 789 00:44:51,397 --> 00:44:52,398 There's a lot to see. 790 00:44:54,025 --> 00:44:55,485 The material is so rich. 791 00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:59,780 But try not to make the show too busy. 792 00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:03,909 Because seeing too much is seeing nothing. 793 00:45:09,582 --> 00:45:12,418 I think we are all looking forward to this exhibition. 794 00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:14,253 But also have a lot of questions. 795 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,381 From the little we can gather, 796 00:45:16,422 --> 00:45:18,550 it seems like there's a lot of symbols about dragons 797 00:45:18,591 --> 00:45:21,219 and Ming vases. Why is that? 798 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:23,513 And anything else, because I, honestly, 799 00:45:23,555 --> 00:45:25,306 I don't want to see another Ming vase. 800 00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:27,099 I love blue and white porcelain so 801 00:45:27,141 --> 00:45:29,227 I'm happy to see it in the exhibition. 802 00:45:29,268 --> 00:45:31,604 I think a lot of people's questions will be 803 00:45:31,646 --> 00:45:35,692 it seems like the more contemporary version of China. 804 00:45:35,732 --> 00:45:38,236 It's not really included in this kind of 805 00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:40,071 imagery, repertoire... 806 00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:41,280 It's not, you're absolutely right. 807 00:45:42,657 --> 00:45:44,283 That's not the focus of the exhibition, modern China. 808 00:45:44,325 --> 00:45:46,952 - It's very much on the history. - Reporter: Yes. 809 00:45:47,286 --> 00:45:49,497 You mention a lot about fantasies, 810 00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:52,250 but fantasy always entails 811 00:45:52,291 --> 00:45:53,750 misconstrued, 812 00:45:54,126 --> 00:45:56,295 misinterpretation, reality... 813 00:45:56,337 --> 00:45:58,130 So how the Western perceive Chinese 814 00:45:58,172 --> 00:46:00,091 and how Chinese perceive their own culture 815 00:46:00,132 --> 00:46:03,428 will be quite different, from what I gather. 816 00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:06,097 Were you questioning the idea of fantasy and fashion? 817 00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:08,558 I think if we don't have fantasy in fashion, 818 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,184 then fashion will never change. 819 00:46:10,226 --> 00:46:13,312 Of course, we all will love to embrace fantasy in fashion, 820 00:46:13,354 --> 00:46:17,400 but fantasy is very likely to also entail 821 00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:19,444 misinterpretations or misconceptions. 822 00:46:19,776 --> 00:46:22,530 So, as a curator, you must have thought about that. 823 00:46:22,572 --> 00:46:25,533 Yeah, but I think, as Anna says, all fashion tells stories. 824 00:46:25,575 --> 00:46:27,910 Every item in the exhibition tells its own story. 825 00:46:28,327 --> 00:46:30,079 All you're seeing in the exhibition 826 00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:33,124 are designers celebrating actually Chinese culture. 827 00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,044 We're also including the work of several Chinese designers, 828 00:46:37,086 --> 00:46:39,130 like Guo Pei and Laurence Yu. 829 00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:44,135 Chinese designers also gravitate towards the same sort of symbols 830 00:46:44,176 --> 00:46:46,011 as Western designers. 831 00:46:46,053 --> 00:46:47,972 It's not exclusively about 832 00:46:48,013 --> 00:46:50,600 the West appropriating Chinese symbols. 833 00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:53,060 - Thank you. - Bolton: Thank you. 834 00:47:00,025 --> 00:47:02,236 I think she was really politicizing it. 835 00:47:02,278 --> 00:47:04,196 ...the idea of the West just plundering 836 00:47:04,238 --> 00:47:05,864 the East for inspiration. 837 00:47:06,407 --> 00:47:08,451 Or the fact that it's all about the past. 838 00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:11,704 Yes. She just wants everything to start in 1949 839 00:47:11,746 --> 00:47:13,539 - Woman: Are you good to start? - (chuckles) Yes. 840 00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:28,554 (speaks Chinese) China went through 841 00:47:28,596 --> 00:47:33,476 a unique period in its history. 842 00:47:33,892 --> 00:47:36,562 During this period of history, 843 00:47:36,604 --> 00:47:40,525 many Chinese destroyed their own tradition. 844 00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:45,154 But I feel today, it's changing. 845 00:47:47,365 --> 00:47:53,329 I want to integrate traditional Chinese culture 846 00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:57,124 with modern aesthetics. 847 00:47:59,627 --> 00:48:04,423 Eastern and Western cultures collide together. 848 00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:13,349 We want to find the wisdom left by our ancestors. 849 00:48:16,268 --> 00:48:20,732 So now, I am using my skills 850 00:48:20,773 --> 00:48:24,026 to create something for the nation. 851 00:48:25,695 --> 00:48:30,991 As if I were making a wedding dress for my country 852 00:48:31,784 --> 00:48:34,286 with love in my heart. 853 00:48:47,299 --> 00:48:49,510 How's the Guo Pei piece? 854 00:48:50,469 --> 00:48:52,722 - Is it heavy? - Very heavy. 855 00:48:55,099 --> 00:48:57,059 Bolton: Beijing seems like a dream now. 856 00:48:58,728 --> 00:49:00,271 I was panic-stricken when I came back 857 00:49:00,312 --> 00:49:02,022 about how much work we have to do. 858 00:49:04,149 --> 00:49:06,861 Such a crisis point in terms of concerns 859 00:49:06,903 --> 00:49:10,489 about possible responses to the exhibition worldwide. 860 00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:15,952 All the Chinese, in the last few hundred years, 861 00:49:15,994 --> 00:49:17,830 we were always looking backward, 862 00:49:17,872 --> 00:49:20,207 we forget progress, 863 00:49:20,249 --> 00:49:21,834 modernization. 864 00:49:21,876 --> 00:49:24,044 So the new generation of Chinese 865 00:49:24,086 --> 00:49:25,671 have benefitted from modernization. 866 00:49:26,923 --> 00:49:29,216 They were afraid your exhibition 867 00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,928 is too much only the past. 868 00:49:32,303 --> 00:49:34,179 A lot of Chinese, they're wondering 869 00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:37,308 why all this dragon rope, the beautiful coating, 870 00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:39,268 not Chinese modern things... 871 00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:42,313 Modern film, modern art... 872 00:49:42,354 --> 00:49:45,399 How would you represent through fashion, modern China? 873 00:49:45,441 --> 00:49:47,568 How would you represent that? 874 00:49:49,111 --> 00:49:51,864 The show is also posing questions like, 875 00:49:52,281 --> 00:49:55,033 what is the contemporary Chinese aesthetic? 876 00:49:55,701 --> 00:49:58,036 Because there's none at this point. 877 00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:59,664 Not yet. In the making. 878 00:49:59,705 --> 00:50:01,499 - So this is in the making? - Yeah. 879 00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:05,001 So, in a way, looking back doesn't mean you are nostalgic. 880 00:50:05,043 --> 00:50:08,255 I think the only way to move forward 881 00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:10,716 is not to forget about your past. 882 00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:12,510 We confront the idea 883 00:50:12,551 --> 00:50:15,554 of the orientalist stereotyping of China. 884 00:50:15,888 --> 00:50:17,932 Particularly through the character, Anna May Wong. 885 00:50:18,265 --> 00:50:21,352 But also talk about the genuine reciprocity 886 00:50:21,393 --> 00:50:22,728 between China and the West. 887 00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:32,571 We've just got approval to start building. 888 00:50:34,406 --> 00:50:37,743 So we're on a super-tight time frame. 889 00:50:47,169 --> 00:50:48,754 (chuckling) 890 00:50:49,797 --> 00:50:51,215 Incredible. 891 00:50:51,256 --> 00:50:52,508 Incredible. 892 00:50:53,926 --> 00:50:55,469 I think the objects that we've chosen 893 00:50:55,511 --> 00:50:58,430 are really compelling, really seductive, 894 00:50:59,097 --> 00:51:02,894 and once you overlay them with the curatorial narrative, 895 00:51:03,602 --> 00:51:04,854 it could be extraordinary. 896 00:51:16,114 --> 00:51:17,616 - Andrew. - Hey, Mike, how are you? 897 00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:20,411 My biggest concern, Andrew, frankly, 898 00:51:20,452 --> 00:51:22,621 is just to make sure that people 899 00:51:22,955 --> 00:51:27,125 don't find the intensity of the installation, 900 00:51:27,167 --> 00:51:28,711 and the kind of... 901 00:51:30,796 --> 00:51:37,135 Shall we say the imposition of the design 902 00:51:37,803 --> 00:51:39,095 so powerful, 903 00:51:39,137 --> 00:51:42,600 that it overshadows the intellectual content. 904 00:51:42,975 --> 00:51:44,894 I think what happens with this 905 00:51:44,936 --> 00:51:50,441 is it diminishes the focus on the intellectual content, 906 00:51:50,482 --> 00:51:54,528 and it just raises the level of, well, this is all about... 907 00:51:56,072 --> 00:51:57,448 ...creating a sense of hype, 908 00:51:57,489 --> 00:52:01,159 which is different from 909 00:52:02,078 --> 00:52:04,830 what your goals are, and what my goals are. 910 00:52:09,543 --> 00:52:11,670 Bolton: It's a little bit frustrating because 911 00:52:12,088 --> 00:52:15,633 sometimes there's not an overall understanding 912 00:52:16,174 --> 00:52:17,718 of the narrative of the show, 913 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,806 but also the complexity from the design prospective. 914 00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:23,808 So it's just... 915 00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:26,518 Yeah, a bit frustrating. 916 00:52:30,982 --> 00:52:35,402 I try not to listen too much to other people in terms of 917 00:52:35,444 --> 00:52:36,946 what they expect the show to be 918 00:52:36,988 --> 00:52:39,698 and to try and trust my own judgment. 919 00:52:42,994 --> 00:52:47,706 Many people have a superficial understanding of fashion. 920 00:52:50,208 --> 00:52:54,463 People underestimate the power of clothes to tell stories, 921 00:52:54,505 --> 00:52:55,965 or to speak to people. 922 00:53:00,636 --> 00:53:02,513 There is the perennial debate 923 00:53:02,554 --> 00:53:06,475 about whether or not fashion can ever be art. 924 00:53:08,978 --> 00:53:12,356 It has, in some instances, to do with intention, 925 00:53:12,982 --> 00:53:15,567 that when a designer is creating something, 926 00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:17,778 they think they're creating an art work. 927 00:53:18,988 --> 00:53:22,282 Most designers, however, don't approach it that way. 928 00:53:22,324 --> 00:53:24,869 I never, never, never dreamed 929 00:53:24,910 --> 00:53:28,873 that my clothes should be in a museum. 930 00:53:28,914 --> 00:53:31,667 I think that fashion is supposed to represent 931 00:53:31,709 --> 00:53:33,627 what's happening in society, 932 00:53:33,669 --> 00:53:35,671 politically, economically... 933 00:53:35,713 --> 00:53:37,213 The clothes have to live. 934 00:53:37,548 --> 00:53:39,550 It's a little boring, that designers 935 00:53:40,258 --> 00:53:43,137 say they are artists, especially when they say it themselves, 936 00:53:43,179 --> 00:53:46,348 thinking, "You're an artist, one should not be on a runway, 937 00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:47,892 but one should be in a gallery." 938 00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:49,225 So go to a gallery. 939 00:53:49,267 --> 00:53:50,978 What we do is applied art. 940 00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:53,355 Chanel never said that she was an artist. 941 00:53:53,397 --> 00:53:54,606 She was a dress-maker. 942 00:53:54,648 --> 00:53:56,358 Madame Vionnet was a dressmaker. 943 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,609 Madame Lanvin was a dressmaker. 944 00:53:57,902 --> 00:54:00,529 They wanted to dress a certain kind of society. 945 00:54:00,571 --> 00:54:01,822 They were happy and flattered 946 00:54:01,864 --> 00:54:03,490 when those women bought those dresses. 947 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,161 Koda: Of course, not all fashion is art. 948 00:54:07,494 --> 00:54:08,829 It's not. 949 00:54:09,329 --> 00:54:12,416 Some of it is purely commercial. 950 00:54:12,958 --> 00:54:16,545 But we still struggle at the Costume Institute, 951 00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:17,922 because as Americans, 952 00:54:17,963 --> 00:54:20,632 there's a kind of puritanical tradition. 953 00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:22,927 And we hate the notion 954 00:54:22,968 --> 00:54:27,305 that there might be commerce associated with anything, 955 00:54:27,347 --> 00:54:29,100 because somehow that makes it less pure. 956 00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:35,022 But as the definitions of art have become more elastic, 957 00:54:35,522 --> 00:54:38,358 you know, post-Dada, post-Warhol, 958 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,321 we're no longer bound by the 19th century categories 959 00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:45,699 of fine versus applied art. 960 00:54:48,244 --> 00:54:53,665 We never give up on this idea that something transcendent 961 00:54:54,332 --> 00:54:56,292 can be expressed in that same 962 00:54:56,334 --> 00:54:58,503 very prosaic thing that you wear. 963 00:55:00,672 --> 00:55:02,967 Bolton: I would certainly classify Lagerfeld 964 00:55:03,008 --> 00:55:05,510 as an artist, even though he always refutes it. 965 00:55:07,096 --> 00:55:08,931 The application of his embroideries, 966 00:55:09,514 --> 00:55:11,058 it's an artistic expression. 967 00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:12,601 (indistinct conversation) 968 00:55:12,643 --> 00:55:15,062 When you discover someone like John Galliano, 969 00:55:15,104 --> 00:55:18,941 you really are in the presence of a true artistic genius. 970 00:55:19,524 --> 00:55:20,567 This is strange. 971 00:55:21,777 --> 00:55:22,444 This is like seeing a child you haven't seen 972 00:55:22,486 --> 00:55:24,280 for a very long time. 973 00:55:25,197 --> 00:55:27,449 Some of those stitches you're not allowed to do anymore 974 00:55:27,491 --> 00:55:29,034 because they'll turn you blind. 975 00:55:29,701 --> 00:55:31,829 It's not for me to say it's art or not, 976 00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:33,747 but, certainly, the way we apply some things 977 00:55:33,789 --> 00:55:35,124 and the inspiration we took... 978 00:55:37,501 --> 00:55:39,878 We did some wonderful things. 979 00:55:40,296 --> 00:55:41,713 Wonderful things. 980 00:55:46,177 --> 00:55:49,680 Koda: There is something about the human impulse 981 00:55:49,721 --> 00:55:52,850 to communicate and express. 982 00:55:57,604 --> 00:56:00,607 An encyclopedic museum like the Met 983 00:56:00,649 --> 00:56:03,568 attempts to gather together 984 00:56:03,902 --> 00:56:07,281 the most extraordinary manifestations 985 00:56:07,323 --> 00:56:08,699 of those impulses. 986 00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:26,842 Keith, it's Sylvana. Can you give me a call back? 987 00:56:26,884 --> 00:56:29,636 I just want to talk about Rihanna's budget. Call me. Bye. 988 00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,350 So, Rihanna... 989 00:56:35,184 --> 00:56:37,519 - Keith: (over phone) Yeah. - We can't lose her, right? 990 00:56:37,561 --> 00:56:41,773 So, is it just that she has a larger crew than Kanye did? 991 00:56:41,815 --> 00:56:45,443 She has a massive team that she travels with, 992 00:56:45,485 --> 00:56:46,904 and that's how she rolls. 993 00:56:48,906 --> 00:56:50,615 Originally, the budget was over (bleep) hundred thousand. 994 00:56:50,657 --> 00:56:53,244 I told not to even send it to me until they worked on it, 995 00:56:53,285 --> 00:56:55,746 because it was a non-starter, so they went back, 996 00:56:55,787 --> 00:56:57,122 and they sent me a budget 997 00:56:58,707 --> 00:57:00,209 that lowered it (bleep) hundred thousand. 998 00:57:00,251 --> 00:57:01,626 And I said, you know, this is a charity so... 999 00:57:01,668 --> 00:57:03,879 She's expensive, period. 1000 00:57:03,921 --> 00:57:08,008 We knew it, we just didn't realize how expensive. 1001 00:57:08,342 --> 00:57:10,886 So, I think talk to Anna and see, 1002 00:57:10,928 --> 00:57:13,471 you know, if she can set that gentle note, 1003 00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:16,100 thanking them, but at the same time... 1004 00:57:16,141 --> 00:57:18,143 - Gentle nudge. - Anything you can do. 1005 00:57:18,476 --> 00:57:19,644 Yeah. 1006 00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:23,481 I'm breaking out in hives right now. 1007 00:57:25,276 --> 00:57:26,777 (phone ringing) 1008 00:57:26,818 --> 00:57:27,945 Hi. 1009 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,615 Okay, I don't know what to say. I have no answer. 1010 00:57:31,656 --> 00:57:33,617 She is one of the biggest acts in the world. 1011 00:57:33,658 --> 00:57:36,745 It's about twice as much as any performer we've ever had. 1012 00:57:37,495 --> 00:57:41,625 They're not interested in making it come down any further. 1013 00:57:41,666 --> 00:57:43,085 They feel that they've done a lot. 1014 00:57:43,668 --> 00:57:46,838 So it's gonna take a higher level ask... 1015 00:57:47,631 --> 00:57:49,049 You know, from you. 1016 00:57:50,342 --> 00:57:51,676 (chuckles) 1017 00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:55,013 Yes, that would be perfect. 1018 00:58:01,395 --> 00:58:03,814 Luhrmann: We live for a cultural experience, 1019 00:58:03,855 --> 00:58:04,898 to feel like we're not alone, 1020 00:58:06,191 --> 00:58:07,484 to learn something about ourselves, 1021 00:58:07,525 --> 00:58:09,361 to revel in the human journey. 1022 00:58:10,195 --> 00:58:12,990 But of course, there's glamour, and of course there's... 1023 00:58:13,031 --> 00:58:15,033 "What are the parties like?" And there's gossip. 1024 00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:21,165 But if it takes a little bit of Rihanna dancing on the tabletop 1025 00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:23,541 to get the attention, then so be it. 1026 00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:26,878 And then Jennifer Lawrence comes up and speaks, 1027 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,422 Guong Lee speaks, 1028 00:58:28,464 --> 00:58:31,133 and then Jennifer Lawrence says, "Ladies and gentlemen... 1029 00:58:31,591 --> 00:58:32,884 ...Rihanna." 1030 00:58:34,219 --> 00:58:37,055 Wintour: In the world that we work in, 1031 00:58:37,848 --> 00:58:40,684 you need the mixture of art and commerce. 1032 00:58:40,725 --> 00:58:41,977 You need both. 1033 00:58:43,479 --> 00:58:44,771 Too much of one or the other would not work. 1034 00:58:44,813 --> 00:58:46,523 They have to exist... 1035 00:58:46,564 --> 00:58:47,649 hand-in-hand. 1036 00:58:48,066 --> 00:58:50,568 If you could say one brief thing 1037 00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:52,446 about two cultures coming together. 1038 00:58:52,488 --> 00:58:53,655 That's what I want to say again. 1039 00:58:53,697 --> 00:58:55,199 I want to say thank you. 1040 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:56,492 - Two cultures. - Yeah. 1041 00:58:56,533 --> 00:58:57,826 You're gonna be incredible. 1042 00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,203 Beautiful. 1043 00:59:00,829 --> 00:59:02,122 I can't wait. 1044 00:59:02,456 --> 00:59:03,707 I feel better now. 1045 00:59:03,748 --> 00:59:05,583 No, no, no. It's gonna be amazing. 1046 00:59:20,474 --> 00:59:22,434 It's always so calm up here. 1047 00:59:22,476 --> 00:59:24,269 That's because nothing's going in. 1048 00:59:26,771 --> 00:59:28,273 Wow, it's a lot of work. 1049 00:59:30,734 --> 00:59:34,405 Bolton: So we can't install until the lights arrive, okay? 1050 00:59:34,446 --> 00:59:35,822 The lights are one week late. 1051 00:59:35,864 --> 00:59:37,949 Why are they late? Because they're not ready? 1052 00:59:38,283 --> 00:59:40,660 I don't know. It's beyond me why. 1053 00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:47,042 We're already eight days late on the panels delivery, 1054 00:59:47,084 --> 00:59:48,585 according to the schedule. 1055 00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:49,878 We just did the math, 1056 00:59:50,128 --> 00:59:53,465 at this rate, we're talking about 6.8 days... 1057 00:59:53,507 --> 00:59:54,758 Middle of next week. 1058 00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:58,053 And obviously that doesn't work. 1059 00:59:58,095 --> 01:00:00,972 We gotta be realistic, that we know what we're doing. 1060 01:00:01,515 --> 01:00:02,807 We're out of time. 1061 01:00:03,892 --> 01:00:06,353 How much overlap is there between building 1062 01:00:06,395 --> 01:00:08,188 and art installation? 1063 01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:09,356 There can't be any. 1064 01:00:09,856 --> 01:00:11,442 So you've got ten days. 1065 01:00:11,483 --> 01:00:14,319 It's flat out now until we open. 1066 01:00:22,702 --> 01:00:25,456 Bolton: We just underestimated the scale of the show. 1067 01:00:26,415 --> 01:00:29,209 It's like putting three shows on at the same time. 1068 01:00:32,796 --> 01:00:36,800 I, unfortunately, have a very organic approach to curating, 1069 01:00:36,841 --> 01:00:40,762 so I tend to change things as I go along. 1070 01:00:45,476 --> 01:00:47,394 This time around, we're driving everyone crazy. 1071 01:00:48,228 --> 01:00:51,189 And what is the plan for the show in terms of lighting? 1072 01:00:51,689 --> 01:00:55,944 Tomorrow, can we start working on these two galleries? 1073 01:00:56,612 --> 01:00:59,072 Whenever we can get to something, we do it. 1074 01:00:59,406 --> 01:01:01,408 - That's... - Who is going to tell you when? 1075 01:01:01,450 --> 01:01:04,911 We walk around and around and around and we look, 1076 01:01:04,953 --> 01:01:07,831 and we say, "We can do that." And we go and do that. 1077 01:01:07,872 --> 01:01:10,667 - But we have like 15 galleries. - Clint Coller: I know. 1078 01:01:10,708 --> 01:01:12,210 It's a huge space. 1079 01:01:12,252 --> 01:01:16,423 We need them to absolutely place the mannequins. 1080 01:01:16,881 --> 01:01:19,009 - This is... - This is something that... 1081 01:01:19,050 --> 01:01:21,178 We have to talk to Andrew about this. 1082 01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:22,220 Right. 1083 01:01:24,764 --> 01:01:26,141 Kar Wai: Andrew... 1084 01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:28,059 - Meet five minutes with me. - Bolton: Okay. 1085 01:01:28,101 --> 01:01:31,355 At some point, I just need you to give me mannequins. 1086 01:01:31,396 --> 01:01:33,731 - Mm-hmm. - Because without the dresses, 1087 01:01:33,773 --> 01:01:37,110 and that's fine, but you have to tell me, 1088 01:01:37,152 --> 01:01:40,322 which directions the mannequins are facing. 1089 01:01:40,364 --> 01:01:41,823 - Mm-hmm. Okay. - Can you do that? 1090 01:01:41,865 --> 01:01:43,074 Yeah. 1091 01:01:47,245 --> 01:01:50,123 The schedule that they let us know today, 1092 01:01:50,165 --> 01:01:52,083 it means we have, basically, 1093 01:01:52,125 --> 01:01:54,169 two days to install the whole exhibition. 1094 01:02:05,096 --> 01:02:07,891 We only have a rehearsal for the temple? 1095 01:02:07,932 --> 01:02:09,476 Worse-case scenario, yeah. 1096 01:02:09,518 --> 01:02:11,102 Monday, you don't have any rehearsal? 1097 01:02:11,144 --> 01:02:12,103 No. 1098 01:02:13,522 --> 01:02:14,314 There's no time on Monday, we have to do that Sunday. 1099 01:02:14,356 --> 01:02:15,357 The temple's open on Sunday. 1100 01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:17,734 You're kidding, that's not possible. 1101 01:02:17,775 --> 01:02:19,027 - Why? - Why? 1102 01:02:20,529 --> 01:02:21,530 Because we need to rehearse. He needs to be with Rihanna. 1103 01:02:21,572 --> 01:02:22,864 We have a lot to do. 1104 01:02:24,949 --> 01:02:26,201 We should close it. 1105 01:02:27,744 --> 01:02:29,079 It just means that from the general public's point of view, 1106 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,497 there is absolutely no access 1107 01:02:30,539 --> 01:02:32,916 to the entire north end of the building... 1108 01:02:32,957 --> 01:02:35,001 That's the... That's... All the... 1109 01:02:35,043 --> 01:02:36,503 They'll come back next week. 1110 01:02:37,962 --> 01:02:39,256 Please, otherwise, it's just... 1111 01:02:40,674 --> 01:02:42,259 Raul is going to have to be up three nights in a row. 1112 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,969 - It's not human. - (laughter) 1113 01:02:45,011 --> 01:02:47,138 Okay, the public will come back. 1114 01:02:47,681 --> 01:02:50,141 - All right, anything else? - No, I think we've covered it. 1115 01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:04,989 It was Anna's understanding that, 1116 01:03:05,031 --> 01:03:06,866 if he was paying the balance, 1117 01:03:06,908 --> 01:03:08,285 we weren't going to add those seats. 1118 01:03:08,744 --> 01:03:10,287 Obviously it's more money for the museum, 1119 01:03:12,122 --> 01:03:13,998 but the problem is we want to keep this an intimate setting 1120 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,833 because that's why people come to this. 1121 01:03:16,501 --> 01:03:17,877 We're extremely appreciative, I just... 1122 01:03:19,463 --> 01:03:21,339 I... I don't know what to do, We just don't have the seats. 1123 01:03:21,881 --> 01:03:24,509 Wintour: Okay, I could swap Baz with Harpers. 1124 01:03:26,762 --> 01:03:27,971 And where is Harvey? 1125 01:03:28,012 --> 01:03:29,514 Harvey's right here. 1126 01:03:29,847 --> 01:03:31,308 He won't like that. 1127 01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:35,145 Can we put somebody better here 1128 01:03:35,186 --> 01:03:37,522 and move them there? It doesn't have to be Harvey. 1129 01:03:37,855 --> 01:03:39,399 I think Anne Hathaway should be here. 1130 01:03:41,234 --> 01:03:43,361 We're struggling to make this work right now. 1131 01:03:43,695 --> 01:03:46,156 We still have three people that don't have seats at the moment. 1132 01:03:47,824 --> 01:03:49,409 Can we block off the middle part 1133 01:03:49,451 --> 01:03:52,203 and in here, just make a little hole here? 1134 01:03:54,372 --> 01:03:56,374 Because if we do something in between these two pillars, 1135 01:03:56,416 --> 01:03:57,959 this is what they're concerned about. 1136 01:03:58,001 --> 01:03:59,795 This is not art. This is a pillar. 1137 01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:01,045 Oh no, it is Tiffany. 1138 01:04:02,422 --> 01:04:03,881 - Those are the Tiffany pillars. - Expensive pillars. 1139 01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:06,677 Wintour: We're trying to work with you guys. 1140 01:04:06,718 --> 01:04:09,846 You told us what we were trying to do here was first possible 1141 01:04:09,887 --> 01:04:11,556 then it's not possible. 1142 01:04:11,598 --> 01:04:13,016 And then we move the tables. 1143 01:04:13,057 --> 01:04:14,058 Woman: You have to understand... 1144 01:04:15,602 --> 01:04:17,103 You are basically scrubbing Engelhardt Court of all the art. 1145 01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,564 Wintour: Yes... But this is not actually about that tonight. 1146 01:04:19,606 --> 01:04:21,775 It's actually about raising money for the museum, 1147 01:04:21,817 --> 01:04:23,067 which we have done. 1148 01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:04,359 Nathan? Do the lights work? 1149 01:05:04,942 --> 01:05:07,070 We'll know in the next two hours. 1150 01:05:07,111 --> 01:05:08,446 What happens if they don't? 1151 01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:12,576 Yes, that's better. 1152 01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:15,119 Once you see those together... 1153 01:05:15,746 --> 01:05:17,038 Incredible. 1154 01:05:32,303 --> 01:05:35,432 We'll be finished, you know, in the next hour. 1155 01:05:35,473 --> 01:05:37,308 Okay, you'll be finished by the end of the day though? 1156 01:05:37,350 --> 01:05:40,311 I mean, we'll finish by... Before we leave tonight. 1157 01:06:40,121 --> 01:06:41,706 (indistinct speech in background) 1158 01:06:43,667 --> 01:06:45,669 Okay, okay, okay. 1159 01:06:46,962 --> 01:06:48,296 Talley: The dress is beautiful. 1160 01:06:48,338 --> 01:06:50,298 - It's so beautiful. - The dress fits. 1161 01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:51,883 - It fits? - It fits. 1162 01:06:52,216 --> 01:06:54,010 Maybe too tight here. 1163 01:06:54,051 --> 01:06:56,053 Yeah, that's what I was thinking, maybe... 1164 01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:58,765 Here, I'll deal with that. 1165 01:07:05,689 --> 01:07:07,273 Talley: The color is superb on you. 1166 01:07:07,774 --> 01:07:09,442 And what do you think of the bracelet? 1167 01:07:10,902 --> 01:07:12,236 Mom only like diamonds. 1168 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,409 Talley: So now you should walk. Walk out of the room. 1169 01:07:21,997 --> 01:07:23,289 Excellent! 1170 01:07:23,331 --> 01:07:25,124 Sexy and soigné. 1171 01:07:28,294 --> 01:07:29,754 It's very beautiful. 1172 01:07:33,257 --> 01:07:34,676 A superb dress. 1173 01:07:42,308 --> 01:07:44,435 Luhrmann: Anna is kinda beyond legacy. 1174 01:07:45,269 --> 01:07:46,521 I mean, she's got a legacy. 1175 01:07:46,563 --> 01:07:49,024 She could disappear to Alaska now 1176 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:50,233 and never be seen again, 1177 01:07:50,483 --> 01:07:51,735 dressed as Nanook of the North, or something, 1178 01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:53,653 and, you know, she's got a legacy. 1179 01:07:53,695 --> 01:07:55,488 She sent me the fitting pictures... 1180 01:07:55,530 --> 01:07:58,366 Luhrmann: She's a big business entity. 1181 01:07:59,242 --> 01:08:03,914 But the whole idea with the Met Gala... 1182 01:08:04,956 --> 01:08:07,458 it's not a commercial consideration. 1183 01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:10,211 It's a cultural consideration. 1184 01:08:11,838 --> 01:08:15,091 I don't pretend to be a fashion historian, 1185 01:08:15,592 --> 01:08:18,720 but I think fashion should be recognized 1186 01:08:20,221 --> 01:08:22,599 when you see how 1187 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,518 it touches people and moves people. 1188 01:08:26,019 --> 01:08:28,312 I mean, what more can you ask from art? 1189 01:09:28,539 --> 01:09:30,249 - My God. - (gasping) 1190 01:09:30,291 --> 01:09:31,459 Oh, my God. 1191 01:09:31,793 --> 01:09:33,377 She's gonna die, has she seen it? 1192 01:09:33,419 --> 01:09:35,588 Man: No she hasn't been here yet. 1193 01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:36,840 My God... 1194 01:09:36,881 --> 01:09:38,174 (chuckling) 1195 01:09:38,215 --> 01:09:39,676 We did it! 1196 01:09:39,717 --> 01:09:40,844 I'm gonna cry. 1197 01:09:45,098 --> 01:09:47,350 Unbelievable! 1198 01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:51,896 Wintour: Does this go to the top? 1199 01:09:51,938 --> 01:09:53,564 Unbelievable. 1200 01:09:54,231 --> 01:09:55,650 Best one ever. 1201 01:09:58,028 --> 01:09:59,403 How many roses? 1202 01:09:59,863 --> 01:10:01,238 250,000. 1203 01:10:01,823 --> 01:10:02,907 (laughs) 1204 01:10:03,867 --> 01:10:05,160 (applause) 1205 01:10:05,535 --> 01:10:06,911 (clears throat) 1206 01:10:07,745 --> 01:10:08,830 Good morning. 1207 01:10:09,246 --> 01:10:11,166 "China: Through the Looking Glass" 1208 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:14,919 is almost three times the size of our usual spring shows. 1209 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:20,050 In total, there are over 150 costumes and accessories, 1210 01:10:20,091 --> 01:10:21,551 and over 40 designers. 1211 01:10:21,592 --> 01:10:23,469 - (indistinct speech) - (cameras clicking) 1212 01:10:25,596 --> 01:10:27,057 What a relief that's over with. 1213 01:10:27,098 --> 01:10:28,474 - Yeah, but... - (smashing) 1214 01:10:29,767 --> 01:10:31,268 (giggling) 1215 01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:32,896 Is that good luck? 1216 01:10:33,646 --> 01:10:35,231 - It wasn't a mirror. - I'm sure it is. 1217 01:10:35,272 --> 01:10:37,400 Special kudos to Andrew for surviving. 1218 01:10:37,441 --> 01:10:39,777 It works so beautifully in the galleries. 1219 01:10:39,819 --> 01:10:40,653 It really does. 1220 01:10:41,696 --> 01:10:42,780 I couldn't agree more. I'm thrilled. 1221 01:10:43,406 --> 01:10:44,657 I love you. 1222 01:10:45,033 --> 01:10:46,325 Was the speech ok? 1223 01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:47,577 Really good. Yeah. 1224 01:10:47,618 --> 01:10:49,704 Did I sound like the Queen of England? 1225 01:10:49,746 --> 01:10:52,331 No! (mocking laughter) 1226 01:10:55,001 --> 01:10:56,335 I'll see you later. 1227 01:10:56,377 --> 01:10:57,837 Probably about two-ish. 1228 01:11:06,221 --> 01:11:08,932 So this is Handamp;M. This is Veronica. 1229 01:11:08,973 --> 01:11:10,141 Vivienne. 1230 01:11:10,183 --> 01:11:11,434 And this is Cartier. 1231 01:11:11,475 --> 01:11:12,685 That's the best solution, 1232 01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:14,938 and then the small one is in the middle, right? 1233 01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:16,313 Okay, right. 1234 01:11:16,355 --> 01:11:18,441 - Yeah. - Let's move this in a bit. 1235 01:11:18,482 --> 01:11:20,902 Yes. This is such a bad table, but 1236 01:11:21,485 --> 01:11:23,196 someone's gotta take this table. 1237 01:11:23,571 --> 01:11:24,989 But no celeb, right? 1238 01:11:25,031 --> 01:11:26,908 Chloe Sevigny, Solange Knowles. 1239 01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:27,992 Oh. 1240 01:11:28,993 --> 01:11:30,536 But they'll talk to who? 1241 01:11:31,162 --> 01:11:32,705 Odell Beckham. 1242 01:11:33,539 --> 01:11:35,208 Durrett: It's tight, but it's always tight. 1243 01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:36,834 Wintour: These are fun people, right? 1244 01:11:36,876 --> 01:11:38,044 It's fine. 1245 01:11:38,086 --> 01:11:40,130 Yeah. This is fine. 1246 01:11:40,171 --> 01:11:41,631 (laughing) 1247 01:11:41,672 --> 01:11:44,050 He's like, "What are you talking about? What happened?" 1248 01:11:45,509 --> 01:11:48,221 What is this? Nylon? 1249 01:11:48,263 --> 01:11:49,931 - Durrett: No - Silk. 1250 01:11:50,765 --> 01:11:52,683 - Pure silk. - Made in China. 1251 01:11:58,856 --> 01:12:01,025 (cheering) 1252 01:12:08,116 --> 01:12:09,617 Alright, George, let's do this. 1253 01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:11,494 Let's get this thing going. 1254 01:12:33,016 --> 01:12:34,558 What the fuck is this? 1255 01:12:58,749 --> 01:13:00,793 The other leg. Let's see the legs. 1256 01:13:00,835 --> 01:13:02,086 - (chuckles) - Thank you, darling. 1257 01:13:02,545 --> 01:13:04,797 (cheering) 1258 01:13:09,593 --> 01:13:11,137 Talley: Come over here, baby, come to me. 1259 01:13:11,179 --> 01:13:13,014 Only you can wear a dress like this. 1260 01:13:13,556 --> 01:13:14,891 The body rocks. 1261 01:13:14,932 --> 01:13:16,642 What do you do to keep the body rocking? 1262 01:13:17,018 --> 01:13:17,935 What do you do? 1263 01:13:19,436 --> 01:13:21,022 Are you getting good pictures of the dress and everything? 1264 01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:38,289 Chloe Malle: I was worried people would take 1265 01:13:38,331 --> 01:13:40,791 Chinese-inspired and do something wildly offensive 1266 01:13:40,833 --> 01:13:42,710 and actually people have been very creative 1267 01:13:42,752 --> 01:13:44,712 and done some really beautiful things. 1268 01:13:44,754 --> 01:13:46,463 Some major headwear. 1269 01:13:57,141 --> 01:13:59,560 (cheering) 1270 01:14:00,853 --> 01:14:02,355 Do you all love Chinese food? 1271 01:14:02,397 --> 01:14:03,606 I do. 1272 01:14:05,108 --> 01:14:05,858 - He doesn't. What do you like? - No, I love Chinese food. 1273 01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:07,151 What's your favorite dish? 1274 01:14:07,526 --> 01:14:09,195 I like fried chicken wings 1275 01:14:09,737 --> 01:14:12,282 and General Tso's chicken with some shrimp, 1276 01:14:12,323 --> 01:14:13,574 and chicken fried rice. 1277 01:14:13,824 --> 01:14:14,992 - I know you work for Vogue... - (laughs) 1278 01:14:16,369 --> 01:14:18,495 He works for Vogue, but you better tell the truth. 1279 01:14:21,624 --> 01:14:23,293 Anne Hathaway is heaven. 1280 01:14:23,334 --> 01:14:24,460 Looks so good, yeah. 1281 01:14:25,878 --> 01:14:27,713 Amanda Seyfried and Justin Long look adorable together. 1282 01:14:27,755 --> 01:14:30,300 She's in custom Givency couture. 1283 01:14:30,341 --> 01:14:31,675 (screams) 1284 01:14:41,518 --> 01:14:42,686 Cher? I want Cher. 1285 01:14:42,728 --> 01:14:44,397 Someone help me! 1286 01:14:44,897 --> 01:14:46,190 Could you help me? 1287 01:14:46,523 --> 01:14:48,151 Come on here, baby. Come to me. 1288 01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:51,528 Why did you let that happen? 1289 01:14:51,570 --> 01:14:54,949 Can someone go tell Sally that the Clooneys did not stop? 1290 01:14:55,283 --> 01:14:56,533 Go tell her now. 1291 01:14:56,575 --> 01:14:57,743 You know the Clooneys didn't stop. 1292 01:14:57,785 --> 01:14:58,744 So let Anna know that. 1293 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,871 George said hello but Mrs. Clooney 1294 01:15:00,913 --> 01:15:02,498 did not stop in her Galliano dress, 1295 01:15:02,539 --> 01:15:03,666 I told Sally. 1296 01:15:03,707 --> 01:15:05,293 We got Justin Bieber, OK? 1297 01:15:12,549 --> 01:15:14,218 Sale bête! Sale bête! 1298 01:15:14,593 --> 01:15:16,595 Darling, wow! 1299 01:15:17,013 --> 01:15:18,222 How does it feel to be 1300 01:15:18,264 --> 01:15:20,724 one of the 100 most influential persons 1301 01:15:20,766 --> 01:15:22,185 - in Time magazine? - Oh, thank you. 1302 01:15:22,226 --> 01:15:23,602 That is so brilliant. 1303 01:15:23,644 --> 01:15:25,062 I think it's so great 1304 01:15:25,104 --> 01:15:26,981 the way you're supporting your step-father. 1305 01:15:27,023 --> 01:15:29,525 - Of course. - It's really beautiful. 1306 01:15:29,566 --> 01:15:31,235 - It's really important. - It really is. 1307 01:15:31,277 --> 01:15:33,404 We're here with dresses, but, listen, after all... 1308 01:15:33,446 --> 01:15:34,738 (inaudible) 1309 01:15:46,959 --> 01:15:48,252 Hi, Pat! 1310 01:15:53,007 --> 01:15:55,592 ♪ We gonna party tonight ♪ 1311 01:15:55,634 --> 01:15:58,388 ♪ We gonna turn up tonight ♪ 1312 01:15:58,429 --> 01:15:59,889 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 1313 01:16:00,556 --> 01:16:02,058 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 1314 01:16:02,517 --> 01:16:03,767 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 1315 01:16:05,102 --> 01:16:07,897 Michael Kors: The exhibit is this way. 1316 01:16:08,231 --> 01:16:11,192 Do you know how crazy I'd look in a head piece like that? 1317 01:16:12,609 --> 01:16:15,154 You could pull any head piece off. 1318 01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:20,993 Anna May Wong. 1319 01:16:21,618 --> 01:16:24,663 The first Asian movie star. 1320 01:16:30,503 --> 01:16:31,879 Wow! 1321 01:16:31,921 --> 01:16:33,297 That's Dior, that's John's (Galliano). 1322 01:16:33,339 --> 01:16:35,799 Hudson: I want to wear that in my bedroom. 1323 01:16:37,343 --> 01:16:38,553 So good to see you. 1324 01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:40,263 Thank you for your flowers. 1325 01:16:43,224 --> 01:16:44,308 How's business? 1326 01:16:51,648 --> 01:16:53,776 - This was my dress, that one. - Wow. 1327 01:16:53,817 --> 01:16:56,112 It's the white one. It was a wedding dress. 1328 01:16:57,780 --> 01:16:59,656 That must be an old one. 1329 01:16:59,990 --> 01:17:01,992 1925, something like that... 1330 01:17:02,368 --> 01:17:04,954 - 1924. - 1924, even earlier, yeah. 1331 01:17:06,872 --> 01:17:08,499 In 1925, it was smaller. 1332 01:17:08,541 --> 01:17:11,961 Not so big volume as there, but it was short already. 1333 01:17:12,503 --> 01:17:13,629 You're so smart. 1334 01:17:13,670 --> 01:17:14,880 History, I know it. 1335 01:17:14,922 --> 01:17:17,216 - The history of fashion. - Wow! 1336 01:17:18,175 --> 01:17:19,218 (inaudible) 1337 01:17:22,679 --> 01:17:24,515 That is Alexander McQueen. 1338 01:17:24,557 --> 01:17:26,517 They do a lot of work in wood. 1339 01:17:26,892 --> 01:17:29,312 That is also McQueen, the bolero. 1340 01:17:31,397 --> 01:17:35,610 That could be McQueen, I'm not sure. 1341 01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:39,029 It's Alexander McQueen, for Givenchy. 1342 01:17:39,363 --> 01:17:42,241 It's nice mix with all these things from China. 1343 01:17:42,283 --> 01:17:43,700 It's beautiful. 1344 01:17:44,827 --> 01:17:48,038 I love the Chinese inspiration. 1345 01:17:50,166 --> 01:17:51,208 Wow! 1346 01:17:57,714 --> 01:17:58,715 Man: What's the dress? 1347 01:17:59,049 --> 01:18:01,218 Did you get my message? 1348 01:18:07,016 --> 01:18:08,892 Justin Bieber: How do you think that would look on me? 1349 01:18:12,813 --> 01:18:15,774 - Alicia Keys: Wow! - Gaultier: Voilà, that's mine. 1350 01:18:18,653 --> 01:18:20,029 Man: Wow, this exhibit... 1351 01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:22,239 Your mood changes from room to room. 1352 01:18:22,281 --> 01:18:23,782 It's remarkable. 1353 01:18:24,741 --> 01:18:26,160 Keys: Wow! 1354 01:18:26,202 --> 01:18:28,329 Gaultier: Oh, the porcelain. 1355 01:18:28,371 --> 01:18:29,997 Keys: Wow, look at this! 1356 01:18:34,251 --> 01:18:37,338 Gaultier: That's Galliano for Dior, I think, no? 1357 01:18:37,672 --> 01:18:39,215 Keys: Guo Pei.... 1358 01:18:41,842 --> 01:18:44,094 - So gorgeous! - Oh, my God! 1359 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,263 Oh, my God! 1360 01:18:47,097 --> 01:18:50,059 This room is a dream! 1361 01:18:51,143 --> 01:18:53,937 All the celadon but with the black lacquer. 1362 01:18:53,979 --> 01:18:55,856 And look at these shapes. 1363 01:18:57,650 --> 01:18:59,402 Like when people say, "You couldn't walk in it." 1364 01:18:59,443 --> 01:19:01,571 Who cares? It's that beautiful. 1365 01:19:01,612 --> 01:19:02,988 Kate Hudson: I know! 1366 01:19:07,618 --> 01:19:10,246 (indistinct shouting) 1367 01:19:16,460 --> 01:19:20,923 ♪ (Nat King Cole "Stardust" plays) ♪ 1368 01:19:37,981 --> 01:19:39,609 Talley: Oh, I love a girl 1369 01:19:39,650 --> 01:19:42,945 from humble beginnings who becomes a big star. 1370 01:19:44,196 --> 01:19:46,865 It's like the American Dream, that's how you do it. 1371 01:19:48,158 --> 01:19:50,786 And just keep going with it. 1372 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,289 I want more train and more train! 1373 01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:54,290 I want drama! 1374 01:19:55,416 --> 01:19:56,500 I want five people picking up my thing! 1375 01:19:59,128 --> 01:20:01,046 This is the black Frozen! 1376 01:20:03,090 --> 01:20:05,217 This is the queen of the night! 1377 01:20:06,594 --> 01:20:08,971 ♪ (Nat King Cole "Stardust" continues) ♪ 1378 01:20:12,475 --> 01:20:13,850 Queen of the night. 1379 01:20:13,892 --> 01:20:16,937 Breaking up is not enough, it's not enough. 1380 01:20:16,979 --> 01:20:18,397 - Beautiful! - Thank you. 1381 01:20:18,731 --> 01:20:20,441 This moment, this fantasy! 1382 01:20:20,483 --> 01:20:21,734 It was made by Guo Pei. 1383 01:20:21,776 --> 01:20:23,694 It took two years to make this. 1384 01:20:23,736 --> 01:20:24,861 And let me just say... 1385 01:20:24,903 --> 01:20:26,656 You are wearing it so beautifully. 1386 01:20:26,697 --> 01:20:27,823 You are so inspiring... 1387 01:20:27,864 --> 01:20:29,032 - Thank you. - ...to so many people. 1388 01:20:29,533 --> 01:20:31,160 - Good night. - Vocal rest. 1389 01:20:31,201 --> 01:20:33,162 Big night! Can't wait to see you on stage! 1390 01:20:33,203 --> 01:20:34,997 - Thank you. - Oh, it's got a pink lining. 1391 01:20:35,038 --> 01:20:36,373 Did you get the pink lining? 1392 01:20:37,583 --> 01:20:40,252 ♪ (Nat King Cole "Stardust" continues) ♪ 1393 01:20:51,514 --> 01:20:54,600 I need to mainline pinot grigio to my arm. 1394 01:20:54,642 --> 01:20:55,892 Have a Scotch. 1395 01:20:55,934 --> 01:20:58,395 Scotch in a glass? How classy. 1396 01:21:33,472 --> 01:21:34,139 Oh my God, 1397 01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:36,642 I'm gonna be all by my lonesome just like high school. 1398 01:21:37,852 --> 01:21:40,062 You can sit with us, sit with us if you want. 1399 01:21:43,940 --> 01:21:46,610 - Oh, my God! - Oh, my God! 1400 01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:50,573 (gong sounds) 1401 01:21:51,323 --> 01:21:53,450 Campbell: Could I have your attention for a moment, please? 1402 01:21:54,702 --> 01:21:58,455 The true star of this evening is Andrew Bolton. 1403 01:21:58,789 --> 01:22:00,708 (cheering and applause) 1404 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,132 Hello. 1405 01:22:12,302 --> 01:22:14,096 Bill Cunningham: Hello Andrew, it's quite the success. 1406 01:22:14,137 --> 01:22:15,431 Hey! Thank you, Bill. 1407 01:22:15,472 --> 01:22:19,017 It's such a contemplative space, it's very... 1408 01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:20,269 - Brilliant. - Quiet. 1409 01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:21,896 When I think how they allowed this... 1410 01:22:22,312 --> 01:22:23,898 Poor Mrs. Vreeland. 1411 01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:27,902 They killed her with exhibition, keeping it downstairs. 1412 01:22:28,444 --> 01:22:29,779 The Asian Art Department has been 1413 01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:31,697 incredibly generous with us. 1414 01:22:31,739 --> 01:22:33,115 They have, yeah. 1415 01:22:33,156 --> 01:22:34,658 Twenty years late. 1416 01:22:36,660 --> 01:22:38,537 What's up, Met Ball? 1417 01:22:38,579 --> 01:22:40,330 (cheering) 1418 01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:44,627 Isn't it amazing how fashion can bring two cultures together? 1419 01:22:44,668 --> 01:22:47,504 (cheering and applause) 1420 01:22:48,672 --> 01:22:51,049 I wanna give a round of applause to everybody here tonight. 1421 01:22:51,091 --> 01:22:54,219 Anna Wintour, thank you so much for having me. 1422 01:22:56,889 --> 01:22:58,307 Everybody ready to party? 1423 01:22:59,516 --> 01:23:04,271 ♪ (sings "Bitch Better Have My Money") ♪ 1424 01:23:50,275 --> 01:23:52,235 (applause fades out) 1425 01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:56,699 ♪ ("Wild is the Wind" by Cat Power plays) ♪ 1426 01:28:02,778 --> 01:28:04,988 "Are you both there? I'll be around 6:45, 1427 01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:07,490 Do I need to pick anything up? I'm gonna say..." 1428 01:28:07,532 --> 01:28:09,451 - Starbucks. - "Yes. 1429 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,038 Big box of Starbucks." 1430 01:28:13,496 --> 01:28:15,498 Everybody looks shockingly good this year. 1431 01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:17,333 Yeah, Chloe Sevigny looked amazing. 1432 01:28:18,668 --> 01:28:21,296 - Spike Lee, he looks great! - I know. 1433 01:28:22,256 --> 01:28:24,549 You gonna just die over what Rihanna wore. 1434 01:28:24,591 --> 01:28:26,509 Martin Hoops: I can't wait to see it. 1435 01:28:28,386 --> 01:28:29,888 - Oh, my God. - Boom! 1436 01:28:30,222 --> 01:28:31,765 That is excellent! 1437 01:28:31,807 --> 01:28:33,600 It's like a Disney movie. 1438 01:28:33,642 --> 01:28:36,103 Every single one of them. Boom. 1439 01:28:37,271 --> 01:28:38,480 Yeah, she should be the cover. 1440 01:28:38,521 --> 01:28:40,482 Yes. Look at her body guard. 1441 01:28:40,523 --> 01:28:41,733 Where? This guy? 1442 01:28:41,775 --> 01:28:43,693 He's brilliant. He's holding her purse! 1443 01:28:44,194 --> 01:28:46,404 I would hold her purse, too. I would hold it all night. 1444 01:28:46,446 --> 01:28:47,990 Malle: Oh, my God! 1445 01:28:50,242 --> 01:28:52,286 Hoops: Do you see any resemblance, David, 1446 01:28:52,327 --> 01:28:53,536 between me and Clooney? 1447 01:28:53,578 --> 01:28:55,330 So he went bow tie-less. 1448 01:28:55,371 --> 01:28:58,458 That's what studs like this do, David. 1449 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:00,627 Me and George, we know what we're doing. 1450 01:29:00,669 --> 01:29:02,337 Malle: That's cool. Actually that is good. 1451 01:29:02,378 --> 01:29:03,546 Hoops: This is good. 1452 01:29:03,588 --> 01:29:04,965 Now you got her in a gothic room, 1453 01:29:05,007 --> 01:29:06,508 medieval gothic. 1454 01:29:06,549 --> 01:29:08,010 Ecclesiastical... 1455 01:29:08,051 --> 01:29:09,511 (indistinct) 1456 01:29:09,552 --> 01:29:10,887 Am I being banned? 1457 01:29:11,221 --> 01:29:12,514 Go back to your room. 1458 01:29:12,555 --> 01:29:14,724 - Getting close. - Go back to my room! 1459 01:29:15,558 --> 01:29:17,602 - We'll do this. - Malle: That's nice. 1460 01:29:18,436 --> 01:29:19,688 - Spread. - Right. 1461 01:29:19,729 --> 01:29:21,773 - And then the last two. - Great. 1462 01:29:24,442 --> 01:29:26,028 Hoops: I think it actually looks really good. 1463 01:29:26,069 --> 01:29:27,403 Malle: Yeah, I do too. 1464 01:29:37,413 --> 01:29:39,791 I will bet everybody lunch here, 1465 01:29:39,833 --> 01:29:41,710 that when I lay out that pomegranate, 1466 01:29:41,751 --> 01:29:43,795 she's gonna say, "Oh, this is nice." 1467 01:29:44,796 --> 01:29:45,714 Yeah. 1468 01:29:45,755 --> 01:29:47,632 Okay, Martin, let's do this. 1469 01:29:48,675 --> 01:29:50,384 The pomegranates... 1470 01:29:50,426 --> 01:29:51,845 just perfect. 1471 01:29:52,179 --> 01:29:53,638 - Martin loves pomegranates. - Yeah. 1472 01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,389 Me and AW have 1473 01:29:55,431 --> 01:29:57,767 a similar wavelength in our brains. 1474 01:29:57,809 --> 01:30:00,603 She goes, you know, "Big stars like Derek Jeter." 1475 01:30:00,937 --> 01:30:03,815 I said Jeter! I'm like, of course, he's the captain! 1476 01:30:03,857 --> 01:30:05,734 I said he should get a cover line. The captain? 1477 01:30:05,775 --> 01:30:07,819 I think that's almost on the same par... 1478 01:30:08,195 --> 01:30:11,740 I told you, me and Anna have same brain, the same brain. 1479 01:30:11,781 --> 01:30:14,534 Cher, Derek Jeter. I mean, you gotta sell this thing. 1480 01:30:14,576 --> 01:30:16,703 This is not a niche magazine, you know. 1481 01:30:16,745 --> 01:30:18,247 We gotta get the names on there! 1482 01:30:18,621 --> 01:30:19,956 They said they're gonna film the Met, 1483 01:30:21,457 --> 01:30:22,625 but it's not about the Met, it's about this, right here. 1484 01:30:22,667 --> 01:30:24,418 This is going to be the whole documentary. 1485 01:30:24,460 --> 01:30:25,962 That's it. Done.