1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:42,433 --> 00:00:44,086 -Are you good? -Yes, yes. 4 00:00:44,087 --> 00:00:45,653 Think so, yeah. 5 00:00:45,654 --> 00:00:46,958 Should we... Are you guys good? 6 00:00:50,180 --> 00:00:52,007 Camera rolling. 7 00:00:52,008 --> 00:00:53,748 So you're gonna fix my collar or... 8 00:00:53,749 --> 00:00:55,055 -No, you look good. -Thank you. 9 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,795 All right. 10 00:00:57,796 --> 00:01:01,321 So, what-what is funny? 11 00:01:01,322 --> 00:01:03,585 What is funny? Mm... 12 00:01:05,543 --> 00:01:07,979 Well, I kind of have a rule 13 00:01:07,980 --> 00:01:11,896 that anybody who talks about comedy 14 00:01:11,897 --> 00:01:14,508 for longer than, you know, a minute and a half 15 00:01:14,509 --> 00:01:16,988 and isn't funny probably shouldn't be listened to, 16 00:01:16,989 --> 00:01:20,905 so I think being serious about comedy and explaining... 17 00:01:20,906 --> 00:01:23,560 you-you know, it's one of those things like pornography. 18 00:01:23,561 --> 00:01:26,476 You know it when you see it. 19 00:01:26,477 --> 00:01:28,217 Breathe. 20 00:01:28,218 --> 00:01:30,089 Honey, breathe. Breathe, honey. 21 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:32,482 -Oh, my God. - What? What? 22 00:01:32,483 --> 00:01:34,354 What is it? What... 23 00:01:34,355 --> 00:01:36,486 Oh, man! 24 00:01:36,487 --> 00:01:40,055 Oh... man. 25 00:01:41,884 --> 00:01:43,798 It was hot in there. 26 00:01:45,931 --> 00:01:47,628 ♪ See me in a onesie ♪ 27 00:01:47,629 --> 00:01:48,803 ♪ I got a baby face ♪ 28 00:01:48,804 --> 00:01:50,413 ♪ Hey, but I look real shy ♪ 29 00:01:50,414 --> 00:01:52,763 ♪ Say I'm a bad kid, bitch, I'm a bad guy ♪ 30 00:01:52,764 --> 00:01:53,938 ♪ I got a baby face ♪ 31 00:01:53,939 --> 00:01:55,636 ♪ And your girl at my crib ♪ 32 00:01:55,637 --> 00:01:56,854 ♪ Trust me, baby ♪ 33 00:01:56,855 --> 00:01:58,421 ♪ I eat the booty with a bib ♪ 34 00:01:58,422 --> 00:02:00,031 - ♪ I smoke ♪ - ♪ I go to court ♪ 35 00:02:00,032 --> 00:02:01,990 - ♪ I gamble ♪ - ♪ I get divorced ♪ 36 00:02:01,991 --> 00:02:03,948 - ♪ My face saying Gerber ♪ - ♪ Dong saying horse ♪ 37 00:02:03,949 --> 00:02:05,994 - ♪ I do my taxes on my own ♪ - ♪ Nobody do it for me ♪ 38 00:02:05,995 --> 00:02:07,561 ♪ But before we go to sleep ♪ 39 00:02:07,562 --> 00:02:09,433 ♪ We need a bedtime story. ♪ 40 00:02:10,478 --> 00:02:13,262 This is Studio 8H, 41 00:02:13,263 --> 00:02:16,700 home toSaturday Night Live for the past 50 years. 42 00:02:16,701 --> 00:02:20,922 It's also home to one of the most powerful men in television 43 00:02:20,923 --> 00:02:23,533 and the most elusive. 44 00:02:26,624 --> 00:02:28,234 This is Lorne. 45 00:02:30,672 --> 00:02:34,240 And this is Lorne trying to avoid the camera. 46 00:02:34,241 --> 00:02:37,025 Because after 50 years of avoiding it, 47 00:02:37,026 --> 00:02:39,462 Lorne has inadvertently agreed 48 00:02:39,463 --> 00:02:42,335 to have a documentary made about him 49 00:02:42,336 --> 00:02:44,815 and has allowed access to his inner circle 50 00:02:44,816 --> 00:02:47,035 for the first time. 51 00:02:47,036 --> 00:02:48,776 What have I got myself into? 52 00:02:48,777 --> 00:02:51,561 I know. It's... I feel bad for you. 53 00:02:51,562 --> 00:02:53,520 He's gonna give you no... It's... He... 54 00:02:53,521 --> 00:02:55,478 That's why he's never done one of these. 55 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:59,961 I think he's kind of a very undocumentable man. 56 00:02:59,962 --> 00:03:01,310 Like an illegal? 57 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:03,356 He's undocumented. 58 00:03:03,357 --> 00:03:04,661 Just 'cause he's from Canada, 59 00:03:04,662 --> 00:03:06,141 he doesn't get as much attention. 60 00:03:06,142 --> 00:03:08,274 This will be the most boring documentary 61 00:03:08,275 --> 00:03:09,927 you've ever made. 62 00:03:09,928 --> 00:03:11,712 Okay, let's shift gears here. 63 00:03:11,713 --> 00:03:14,628 This is Lorne's office. 64 00:03:14,629 --> 00:03:17,892 The same office he's had since 1975, 65 00:03:17,893 --> 00:03:20,590 when he started Saturday Night Live. 66 00:03:20,591 --> 00:03:23,289 Live from New York, it's... 67 00:03:23,290 --> 00:03:26,030 These are Lorne's Tootsie Rolls. 68 00:03:26,031 --> 00:03:28,425 And these are Lorne's fish. 69 00:03:29,687 --> 00:03:31,384 This is Lorne having 70 00:03:31,385 --> 00:03:34,082 an important conversation we can't hear 71 00:03:34,083 --> 00:03:36,519 because Lorne doesn't want to wear a microphone. 72 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,347 I don't think I would 73 00:03:38,348 --> 00:03:41,002 advise you to try and capture Lorne. 74 00:03:41,003 --> 00:03:42,612 He wouldn't be happy with that, 75 00:03:42,613 --> 00:03:44,745 and then you'll capture a guy who's not happy. 76 00:03:49,794 --> 00:03:51,491 Like Cher and Madonna, 77 00:03:51,492 --> 00:03:53,536 you just need to say, "Lorne." 78 00:03:53,537 --> 00:03:55,059 At the same time, 79 00:03:55,060 --> 00:03:57,148 he's an enigma to many. 80 00:03:57,149 --> 00:03:59,194 He doesn't let many in. 81 00:03:59,195 --> 00:04:03,720 It's hard to find someone who's less in focus. 82 00:04:03,721 --> 00:04:06,984 And I think it's deliberate. 83 00:04:06,985 --> 00:04:09,422 You have to be with him for a long time before he loosens up, 84 00:04:09,423 --> 00:04:10,858 and it's just sitting and getting him 85 00:04:10,859 --> 00:04:12,251 to sit down like this that's gonna 86 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,252 be the tough part. 87 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:14,993 I'm gonna turn my phone off. 88 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:33,533 Jesus. 89 00:04:33,534 --> 00:04:34,795 Yeah. 90 00:04:34,796 --> 00:04:38,059 This is why I don't want this. 91 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:39,148 All right. 92 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,324 You're a Kardashian now. 93 00:04:42,325 --> 00:04:43,934 Is that the wide, Steve? 94 00:04:43,935 --> 00:04:45,501 Is that as wide as it's gonna get? 95 00:04:45,502 --> 00:04:47,112 No, we can get a little wider. 96 00:04:49,376 --> 00:04:52,900 Let's just start with the wide as the establishing. 97 00:04:52,901 --> 00:04:54,510 That's kind of a nice collection of apples, 98 00:04:54,511 --> 00:04:55,772 don't you think? 99 00:04:55,773 --> 00:04:57,339 Yeah. 100 00:04:57,340 --> 00:04:58,688 They're tastier than usual. 101 00:04:58,689 --> 00:05:00,255 -Yeah. -They're not... 102 00:05:00,256 --> 00:05:01,692 -This is their time. -Yeah. 103 00:05:03,651 --> 00:05:05,042 -Hi. - TIMOTHÉE CHALAMET: Hey. 104 00:05:05,043 --> 00:05:06,870 - How we doing? - How's it going? 105 00:05:06,871 --> 00:05:09,351 - TIMOTHÉE: Good. How you doing? - Yeah. People being nice? 106 00:05:09,352 --> 00:05:11,092 - TIMOTHÉE: Yeah. Yeah. - Yeah? Good. 107 00:05:11,093 --> 00:05:13,660 Just let us know 108 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:18,229 the things that you treasure and have high hopes for. 109 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:20,623 TIMOTHÉE: I love the "Museum of Hip-Hop Panel." 110 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:22,103 Uh-huh. 111 00:05:22,104 --> 00:05:23,452 TIMOTHÉE: And the "Golden Bachelorette" 112 00:05:23,453 --> 00:05:25,933 feels like a good, safe start for me. 113 00:05:25,934 --> 00:05:27,456 Hmm. 114 00:05:27,457 --> 00:05:29,153 If you have short amounts 115 00:05:29,154 --> 00:05:31,199 of time with him, especially early on, you're like, 116 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,636 "I can't believe this guy is in charge of all the comedy." 117 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:37,510 Lorne in real life, 118 00:05:37,511 --> 00:05:41,035 he really does say funny stuff constantly. 119 00:05:41,036 --> 00:05:42,689 He's-he's not... 120 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:44,691 He's not gonna go too long without saying a joke. 121 00:05:44,692 --> 00:05:46,606 I think, if it works, we keep it, 122 00:05:46,607 --> 00:05:48,042 and if it doesn't... 123 00:05:48,043 --> 00:05:50,261 - TIMOTHÉE: Yeah. - ...just a memory. 124 00:05:50,262 --> 00:05:55,484 I quickly ascertained that he's fucking with you a lot. 125 00:05:55,485 --> 00:05:58,922 Everything about this guy is so weird and interesting. 126 00:05:58,923 --> 00:06:01,403 The questions you want to ask Lorne, 127 00:06:01,404 --> 00:06:03,927 I would ask other people, and then they'll give you 128 00:06:03,928 --> 00:06:06,147 a bunch of different answers, and then you can... 129 00:06:06,148 --> 00:06:07,931 Cut them together to funny music? 130 00:06:07,932 --> 00:06:09,672 Exactly. 131 00:06:09,673 --> 00:06:12,066 Do you know anything about his childhood? 132 00:06:14,156 --> 00:06:15,939 Su-Suburb of Toronto? 133 00:06:15,940 --> 00:06:17,680 - Uh-huh. - Right? 134 00:06:17,681 --> 00:06:20,074 - That's Canada. - He liked hockey. 135 00:06:20,075 --> 00:06:21,684 Liked hockey. 136 00:06:21,685 --> 00:06:25,253 A lot of, like, outdoor hockey kind of stuff. 137 00:06:25,254 --> 00:06:27,908 Fishing and, you know, stuff like that. 138 00:06:27,909 --> 00:06:30,693 If you told me he made maple syrup, I would believe you. 139 00:06:30,694 --> 00:06:34,741 I guess I don't know what his dad did... 140 00:06:34,742 --> 00:06:36,220 We should ask him. 141 00:06:36,221 --> 00:06:37,744 We should, like, meet Lorne. 142 00:06:37,745 --> 00:06:40,311 Just talk to him. 143 00:06:40,312 --> 00:06:43,924 There is a folkloric quality about who is Lorne, 144 00:06:43,925 --> 00:06:46,753 and you hear stories before you get here. 145 00:06:46,754 --> 00:06:49,320 Or you hear Dana's impression. 146 00:06:49,321 --> 00:06:51,714 Right. 147 00:06:51,715 --> 00:06:53,412 Or Dr. Evil. 148 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:55,501 Right. 149 00:06:55,502 --> 00:06:58,242 You're prepared for the myth. 150 00:06:58,243 --> 00:07:00,984 I still have no fucking first act. 151 00:07:00,985 --> 00:07:02,987 It's called scheduling. 152 00:07:04,032 --> 00:07:05,424 Uh... 153 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:06,599 Can I get you anything else, Chris? 154 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,557 Uh, grappa, wine, 155 00:07:08,558 --> 00:07:10,341 cappuccino, tickets to a Lakers game? 156 00:07:10,342 --> 00:07:11,995 Land in Montana? 157 00:07:11,996 --> 00:07:13,562 Is Mark doing... 158 00:07:13,563 --> 00:07:14,651 Uh, who's Mark doing? 159 00:07:15,783 --> 00:07:17,523 Good evening. 160 00:07:17,524 --> 00:07:19,176 I'm Lorne Michaels. 161 00:07:19,177 --> 00:07:20,874 I have played Lorne. Thank you for reminding me. 162 00:07:20,875 --> 00:07:24,268 I think you'll feel better if you come in my office 163 00:07:24,269 --> 00:07:28,185 and, mm, make out with me. 164 00:07:28,186 --> 00:07:30,710 Seth and everyone would do Lorne impressions. 165 00:07:30,711 --> 00:07:32,668 Loudly. 166 00:07:32,669 --> 00:07:34,844 "Oh, someone suck my dick." 167 00:07:34,845 --> 00:07:36,280 And I'd be like, 168 00:07:36,281 --> 00:07:38,065 "Guys, he's right down the hall." 169 00:07:38,066 --> 00:07:40,807 I'm of the Robert Smigel school. 170 00:07:40,808 --> 00:07:43,287 Which is we don't like an accurate impression. 171 00:07:43,288 --> 00:07:46,726 We like a way stretched out, ridiculous impression. 172 00:07:46,727 --> 00:07:48,815 ♪ Saturday TV Funhouse ♪ 173 00:07:48,816 --> 00:07:52,862 - ♪ TV Funhouse, TV Funhouse. ♪ - Come back here with my show! 174 00:07:52,863 --> 00:07:55,430 With the whole documentary thing, I mean, Paul did one, 175 00:07:55,431 --> 00:07:57,954 Steve did one, and it's like, 176 00:07:57,955 --> 00:08:01,610 at the end of the day, the work is the legacy. 177 00:08:01,611 --> 00:08:05,267 I mean, unless you think it's a good idea. 178 00:08:09,837 --> 00:08:12,796 He's given us all these amazing careers. 179 00:08:13,841 --> 00:08:15,319 And how do we repay him? 180 00:08:16,844 --> 00:08:19,149 By doing a cartoonish impression. 181 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:20,977 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 182 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:33,033 People have this idea that they know me. 183 00:08:35,079 --> 00:08:37,821 But I don't know myself. 184 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:45,611 So, if it's my job to make sense of it, to at least 185 00:08:45,612 --> 00:08:47,743 - try and make it coherent... -Yeah? 186 00:08:47,744 --> 00:08:49,571 Well, good luck, you know. 187 00:08:49,572 --> 00:08:51,834 In an attempt to dig deeper, 188 00:08:51,835 --> 00:08:54,010 the filmmakers sat down with Lorne for a series 189 00:08:54,011 --> 00:08:55,969 of interviews over the next year. 190 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:59,407 You're on your deathbed, and you look up. 191 00:08:59,408 --> 00:09:01,104 Who do you want to see? 192 00:09:01,105 --> 00:09:03,324 If you do it right, it'll be your kids. 193 00:09:03,325 --> 00:09:05,152 And if you do it wrong, in my case, 194 00:09:05,153 --> 00:09:06,675 it'd be old cast members 195 00:09:06,676 --> 00:09:09,112 but not necessarily the ones you want to see. 196 00:09:09,113 --> 00:09:10,984 I'd say it in a... in an unpleasant way, 197 00:09:10,985 --> 00:09:14,204 but I'd go, "All babies are ugly unless it's your baby." 198 00:09:14,205 --> 00:09:16,903 And, but three months later, people say, "What a cute baby." 199 00:09:16,904 --> 00:09:19,079 It was a childhood thing of mine that I'd think 200 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,169 if I was ever a lumberjack, I'd get in really good shape. 201 00:09:22,170 --> 00:09:24,650 And I would be living outdoors. 202 00:09:24,651 --> 00:09:26,434 It'd be really healthy and, you know, 203 00:09:26,435 --> 00:09:28,784 that might be a... a thing I do, you know? 204 00:09:28,785 --> 00:09:30,569 I also thought that if I ever went to prison, 205 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:32,005 I'd get to read a lot. 206 00:09:32,006 --> 00:09:34,007 But these are childhood things. 207 00:09:37,011 --> 00:09:38,968 He said something to me, like, 208 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:40,448 "If you really want to understand me, 209 00:09:40,449 --> 00:09:41,928 understand the show." 210 00:09:41,929 --> 00:09:43,669 Yeah, absolutely. 211 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:47,804 SNL is what makes Lorne Michaels Lorne Michaels. 212 00:09:48,892 --> 00:09:51,285 They are inextricably linked. 213 00:09:51,286 --> 00:09:55,158 The show is a kind of X-ray of Lorne. 214 00:09:57,509 --> 00:10:00,076 So I would say, go back to the beginning. 215 00:10:01,296 --> 00:10:03,993 New York City, 1975. 216 00:10:05,692 --> 00:10:07,780 Crime is at an all-time high. 217 00:10:07,781 --> 00:10:11,044 A national malaise is in full swing. 218 00:10:11,045 --> 00:10:12,872 And a new generation 219 00:10:12,873 --> 00:10:15,918 raised by movies and television is ready for change. 220 00:10:20,358 --> 00:10:23,970 Enter an ambitious 30-year-old Canadian producer 221 00:10:23,971 --> 00:10:25,928 born Lorne Lipowitz. 222 00:10:25,929 --> 00:10:28,235 Is that really necessary? 223 00:10:28,236 --> 00:10:29,802 His task: 224 00:10:29,803 --> 00:10:32,108 to fill a late-night weekend time slot 225 00:10:32,109 --> 00:10:35,590 previously occupied by Johnny Carson reruns. 226 00:10:35,591 --> 00:10:38,549 It would be a place to try out new talent, 227 00:10:38,550 --> 00:10:40,334 there would be different hosts, 228 00:10:40,335 --> 00:10:43,032 and it would be done live. 229 00:10:43,033 --> 00:10:45,556 The expectation, like the budget, was low. 230 00:10:45,557 --> 00:10:49,517 I'm thinking 60 Minutes meets Monty Python. 231 00:10:49,518 --> 00:10:51,258 It was a blank slate. 232 00:10:51,259 --> 00:10:53,434 And Lorne wanted a voice in the culture. 233 00:10:53,435 --> 00:10:55,349 A counterculture voice. 234 00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:58,352 So he put together a team of nobodies. 235 00:10:58,353 --> 00:11:02,138 He had three months to get them not ready for prime time. 236 00:11:02,139 --> 00:11:04,488 Saturday Night premieres here on NBC 237 00:11:04,489 --> 00:11:06,360 at 11:30 on the 11th of October. 238 00:11:06,361 --> 00:11:08,710 Lorne Michaels is the producer. 239 00:11:08,711 --> 00:11:10,451 We were in the studio all day today and, uh, 240 00:11:10,452 --> 00:11:11,974 - all day yesterday. -What'd you do? 241 00:11:11,975 --> 00:11:13,933 We're still trying to figure out how they get 242 00:11:13,934 --> 00:11:15,630 the people in the little box. That's the only problem so far. 243 00:11:15,631 --> 00:11:18,067 What should we look for on your program? 244 00:11:18,068 --> 00:11:20,069 - Anxiety. Uh, I... -Fear. 245 00:11:20,070 --> 00:11:21,636 Yeah, fear. 246 00:11:21,637 --> 00:11:24,640 NBC's Saturday Night. 247 00:11:25,641 --> 00:11:28,077 Ladies and gentlemen, 248 00:11:28,078 --> 00:11:30,776 George Carlin! 249 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:32,778 On the very first show, we did a thing 250 00:11:32,779 --> 00:11:34,693 called "Bee Hospital," 251 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,391 which was the maternity ward in a bee hospital. 252 00:11:37,392 --> 00:11:40,089 Mr. Bee? 253 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:42,048 - Yes? - Congratulations. 254 00:11:42,049 --> 00:11:44,224 - It's a drone. - It's a drone! 255 00:11:44,225 --> 00:11:46,052 Congratulations, man. 256 00:11:46,053 --> 00:11:47,706 Oh, God. 257 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:49,620 It wasn't gonna ever work on television, 258 00:11:49,621 --> 00:11:53,363 but he wanted to do it because he saw the absurdist potential. 259 00:11:53,364 --> 00:11:55,061 Mr. Bee? 260 00:11:55,062 --> 00:11:56,845 - Yes? - Congratulations. 261 00:11:56,846 --> 00:11:58,542 It's a worker. 262 00:11:58,543 --> 00:12:00,283 It's a worker? 263 00:12:00,284 --> 00:12:01,676 - Hey. It's a worker. - It's a worker. 264 00:12:01,677 --> 00:12:03,112 - It's a worker. - Hey, a worker... 265 00:12:03,113 --> 00:12:04,810 Whether it was funny or not, 266 00:12:04,811 --> 00:12:07,856 the one note we got from the network was: 267 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:09,902 "Nice effort, but drop the bee thing 268 00:12:09,903 --> 00:12:12,296 'cause that clearly didn't work." 269 00:12:13,384 --> 00:12:14,950 So, of course, I was 270 00:12:14,951 --> 00:12:16,430 determined, then, to bring that back. 271 00:12:16,431 --> 00:12:18,171 Well, what is he gonna do? 272 00:12:18,172 --> 00:12:19,694 I think he's going to the control room. 273 00:12:19,695 --> 00:12:20,826 I'll tell you this, he's mad now. 274 00:12:20,827 --> 00:12:22,218 Well, I mean, I-I hope... 275 00:12:22,219 --> 00:12:23,480 Oh, did you see the fist? 276 00:12:23,481 --> 00:12:24,438 So, on the second show, 277 00:12:24,439 --> 00:12:26,222 we brought the bees on. 278 00:12:26,223 --> 00:12:27,790 Oh, my goodness. 279 00:12:29,052 --> 00:12:31,575 I'm really sorry, the bees number is cut. 280 00:12:31,576 --> 00:12:34,013 - What? - Aw, shucks. 281 00:12:34,014 --> 00:12:37,625 Then, on the third show, we brought the bees back. 282 00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:39,453 All right, nah, that's it, that's it. Stop it. 283 00:12:39,454 --> 00:12:40,976 Hold the music. No, no, that's ridiculous. 284 00:12:40,977 --> 00:12:42,456 Now, I... I-I really... 285 00:12:42,457 --> 00:12:43,762 I mean, I'm not gonna go on with this thing. 286 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,198 It's just absolutely ridiculous. I... 287 00:12:45,199 --> 00:12:46,852 I-I was told when I came on the show 288 00:12:46,853 --> 00:12:48,636 that I would not have to work with the bees. 289 00:12:48,637 --> 00:12:50,072 And it played. 290 00:12:51,466 --> 00:12:53,511 You think we like this? 291 00:12:55,035 --> 00:12:56,471 No. 292 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,778 But we don't have any choice. 293 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:02,302 Now the note we got 294 00:13:02,303 --> 00:13:04,957 from the network was: "More bees." 295 00:13:08,918 --> 00:13:10,876 The only rule that I remember we ever had-- 296 00:13:10,877 --> 00:13:12,268 this is at the beginning-- 297 00:13:12,269 --> 00:13:14,531 "Let's make each other laugh." 298 00:13:14,532 --> 00:13:17,012 And he assured us that there were people out there 299 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:19,145 who'll laugh also. 300 00:13:19,146 --> 00:13:22,365 Wow, that's terrific bass. 301 00:13:22,366 --> 00:13:25,368 There was an audience for this material. 302 00:13:25,369 --> 00:13:28,763 They had not been represented, and now they were. 303 00:13:28,764 --> 00:13:30,200 Roll over, Liberty. 304 00:13:32,724 --> 00:13:34,813 Yeah, that's it, really. 305 00:13:34,814 --> 00:13:37,251 Uh, it's time to take television down. 306 00:13:38,252 --> 00:13:40,296 Television. 307 00:13:40,297 --> 00:13:42,081 Dynamic. 308 00:13:42,082 --> 00:13:43,299 Delightful. 309 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:44,648 Dangerous. 310 00:13:44,649 --> 00:13:46,128 Chain it to your car. 311 00:13:46,129 --> 00:13:48,565 It's still a modern miracle. 312 00:13:48,566 --> 00:13:52,743 I mean, it went from zero to about 90 in one season. 313 00:13:52,744 --> 00:13:54,615 Little in television history 314 00:13:54,616 --> 00:13:57,052 has been explored as much as that first magical year 315 00:13:57,053 --> 00:13:58,793 ofSaturday Night. 316 00:13:58,794 --> 00:14:01,274 But what was the secret? 317 00:14:01,275 --> 00:14:03,754 It clips really well. 318 00:14:03,755 --> 00:14:06,583 Wow. -And then, like, smash-cut to Belushi. 319 00:14:06,584 --> 00:14:08,803 Smash-cut, Andy Kaufman. 320 00:14:08,804 --> 00:14:10,326 Smash-cut to... 321 00:14:10,327 --> 00:14:12,328 Live from New York, 322 00:14:12,329 --> 00:14:13,852 it's... 323 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:15,766 Uh, Timothée is going into fittings, 324 00:14:15,767 --> 00:14:18,247 if you want to do producers soon. 325 00:14:18,248 --> 00:14:20,554 Yeah, yeah, I, uh... We're just killing time here. 326 00:14:20,555 --> 00:14:22,034 None of this is gonna be used. 327 00:14:22,035 --> 00:14:24,036 -Okay. All right. - Yeah. 328 00:14:24,037 --> 00:14:26,342 Once he leaves the building, 329 00:14:26,343 --> 00:14:27,866 I have no idea where he's going. 330 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:29,258 - Often to a nice dinner. -He goes... 331 00:14:29,259 --> 00:14:30,869 I know he goes to lots of dinners. 332 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:32,871 - Lots of dinners. - With cool people. 333 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:35,743 We're all curious. It's like, we... 334 00:14:35,744 --> 00:14:38,964 want to know what he has for breakfast. 335 00:14:38,965 --> 00:14:42,054 For all I know, he's, like... you know, he works for the CIA. 336 00:14:42,055 --> 00:14:43,969 I don't know. 337 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:46,536 I don't, like, know Lorne the way Alec Baldwin knows Lorne, 338 00:14:46,537 --> 00:14:48,277 or, um, I've never been... 339 00:14:48,278 --> 00:14:51,367 I've never stood in the ocean with Lorne. 340 00:14:51,368 --> 00:14:54,066 Yeah, I was in the yoga class with Lorne. 341 00:14:54,067 --> 00:14:56,068 Middle-aged white man yoga, we called it. 342 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:57,460 Yoga boys. 343 00:14:57,461 --> 00:14:59,071 When you get the call, like, 344 00:14:59,072 --> 00:15:01,116 "Hey, Lorne wants to play tennis with you," like, 345 00:15:01,117 --> 00:15:03,205 "I'm gonna be alone with Lorne hitting tennis balls? 346 00:15:03,206 --> 00:15:04,728 - Holy cow." -Shorts? 347 00:15:04,729 --> 00:15:06,339 Shorts. Do I... 348 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:08,297 Uh, Lorne had great legs, always. 349 00:15:08,298 --> 00:15:10,299 He has this sort of 350 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:11,866 "man behind the curtain," 351 00:15:11,867 --> 00:15:14,869 Wizard of Oztype mystique about him. 352 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:18,612 Lorne doesn't like to talk about his private life. 353 00:15:18,613 --> 00:15:22,616 Like his wife of 30 years or his three kids. 354 00:15:22,617 --> 00:15:24,270 - He's very family-oriented. -Yeah. 355 00:15:24,271 --> 00:15:26,794 He really is, like, and he... his kids are great. 356 00:15:28,405 --> 00:15:29,971 No, that's, like, an Olympic feat. 357 00:15:29,972 --> 00:15:31,364 -Yeah. -That's true. 358 00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:32,756 How cool and normal they are. 359 00:15:32,757 --> 00:15:34,497 Compared to, like, what? 360 00:15:39,286 --> 00:15:42,375 So much of Lorne is kept under wraps. 361 00:15:42,376 --> 00:15:45,030 But not to everybody. 362 00:15:45,031 --> 00:15:46,901 We were just riding home the other night, 363 00:15:46,902 --> 00:15:48,424 and I said, "You know, 364 00:15:48,425 --> 00:15:50,992 it's almost 50 years that we're friends." 365 00:15:50,993 --> 00:15:53,386 He bought his apartment that was right next 366 00:15:53,387 --> 00:15:55,779 to my apartment, so we were neighbors. 367 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:58,957 Literally, we can walk out to the service elevator, 368 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:01,394 and I can walk into Lorne's kitchen. 369 00:16:01,395 --> 00:16:02,917 Has he changed in any ways 370 00:16:02,918 --> 00:16:04,614 that are notable to you? 371 00:16:04,615 --> 00:16:06,051 He's richer. 372 00:16:07,575 --> 00:16:09,880 But that's, in a way, the part of him 373 00:16:09,881 --> 00:16:12,449 that I'm least interested in. 374 00:16:14,364 --> 00:16:17,541 I wrote this piece for, uh, Vanity Fair. 375 00:16:19,152 --> 00:16:21,936 "Who is the real Lorne Michaels?" 376 00:16:21,937 --> 00:16:25,419 "The facade behind the facade?" 377 00:16:29,205 --> 00:16:30,859 "Born on a kibbutz. 378 00:16:32,034 --> 00:16:33,426 "Living in a house the Palestinians 379 00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:35,819 were leaving anyway." 380 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:38,344 "A skinny teenager, he lifted weights 381 00:16:38,345 --> 00:16:41,173 to build muscle and self-esteem." 382 00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:43,479 "People would be surprised to find 383 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,829 a classically trained pianist with a passion for..." 384 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:48,571 These are all com-complete lies, 385 00:16:48,572 --> 00:16:50,095 and I thought, 386 00:16:50,096 --> 00:16:52,533 "People are gonna know it's funny." 387 00:16:55,797 --> 00:16:58,059 I knew that he was born... 388 00:16:58,060 --> 00:17:00,670 on a kibbutz with his parents. 389 00:17:00,671 --> 00:17:02,368 He wasn't? 390 00:17:02,369 --> 00:17:04,935 Oh, my God! 391 00:17:04,936 --> 00:17:06,807 You're gonna put this in, aren't you? 392 00:17:06,808 --> 00:17:09,810 I assumed it was a newer troll. 393 00:17:09,811 --> 00:17:13,683 I feel like he could pull the levers of power at Wikipedia 394 00:17:13,684 --> 00:17:15,859 to get the change. 395 00:17:15,860 --> 00:17:17,557 By the way, if it came from Paul Simon, 396 00:17:17,558 --> 00:17:19,559 Lorne secretly loves it. 397 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,606 It appears not even the Internet can be trusted. 398 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:39,927 A funny story when Steve Burke took over NBC. 399 00:17:39,928 --> 00:17:43,713 He had a list. He was gonna call the top 15 people at NBC 400 00:17:43,714 --> 00:17:46,194 and introduce himself and say, 401 00:17:46,195 --> 00:17:48,283 "I'd like to get together for breakfast." 402 00:17:48,284 --> 00:17:49,763 Then he calls Lorne. 403 00:17:49,764 --> 00:17:51,330 Lorne is obviously one of the 15. 404 00:17:51,331 --> 00:17:52,809 Lorne's first thing is... 405 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:54,724 Well, it's not going to be for breakfast. 406 00:17:58,512 --> 00:18:01,166 Everything aboutSNL is designed around him. 407 00:18:01,167 --> 00:18:03,907 So, there isn't a 9:00 a.m. conference call 408 00:18:03,908 --> 00:18:07,476 or organizational meeting. 409 00:18:07,477 --> 00:18:10,436 I do know he goes to bed at, like, 4:00 410 00:18:10,437 --> 00:18:12,525 and wakes up at noon. 411 00:18:12,526 --> 00:18:15,746 Which is so funny, 'cause he's 79 years old. 412 00:18:20,838 --> 00:18:22,404 The life of Lorne Michaels 413 00:18:22,405 --> 00:18:24,102 is one of routine. 414 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:26,234 Much like the show, his weekly schedule 415 00:18:26,235 --> 00:18:29,019 has remained the same for 50 years. 416 00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:32,240 His day begins at Paul Simon's apartment with a workout. 417 00:18:32,241 --> 00:18:34,547 You. 418 00:18:34,548 --> 00:18:36,375 The thing about a recession is that 419 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:38,116 no one's going to the movies anyway, 420 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:39,726 so you're going to have that thing 421 00:18:39,727 --> 00:18:41,597 where a few streamers take the hit 422 00:18:41,598 --> 00:18:43,469 and that's about all. 423 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:46,298 He's a creature of habit. Yes. Yeah. 424 00:18:46,299 --> 00:18:49,301 He eats at the same three restaurants. 425 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:53,783 He sits at the same table and orders the same food. 426 00:18:53,784 --> 00:18:56,351 They come over, and he'll say, "You know, we'll do the... 427 00:18:56,352 --> 00:18:58,223 And then you, uh..." 428 00:18:58,224 --> 00:18:59,920 It's that short. 429 00:18:59,921 --> 00:19:03,053 When you make your life a live television show 430 00:19:03,054 --> 00:19:05,055 that you don't even know what it's gonna look like 431 00:19:05,056 --> 00:19:07,232 till Wednesday afternoon, 432 00:19:07,233 --> 00:19:09,756 I think you want a fair amount of structure 433 00:19:09,757 --> 00:19:11,672 in the rest of your life. 434 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:15,283 I've been taking care 435 00:19:15,284 --> 00:19:16,980 of Lorne's aquarium for almost 40 years. 436 00:19:16,981 --> 00:19:18,330 It never changes too much. 437 00:19:18,331 --> 00:19:20,288 It always has to stay very similar 438 00:19:20,289 --> 00:19:23,117 to the way it is today, the way it was 40 years ago. 439 00:19:23,118 --> 00:19:26,425 Everything changes but stays the same. 440 00:19:26,426 --> 00:19:29,036 Sounds like a guy that doesn't like change. 441 00:19:29,037 --> 00:19:31,821 Yes! Yes! 442 00:19:33,302 --> 00:19:34,998 It's 4:00 p.m., which means 443 00:19:34,999 --> 00:19:37,523 it's time for Lorne to start the workday. 444 00:19:37,524 --> 00:19:39,481 The first meeting is set for 4:30. 445 00:19:39,482 --> 00:19:41,701 4:30, Lorne time. 446 00:19:41,702 --> 00:19:43,572 MARK McKINNEY: "Lorne wants to talk to you 447 00:19:43,573 --> 00:19:45,574 about your sketch. He'll see you in five minutes." 448 00:19:45,575 --> 00:19:46,880 And then you sit outside his office 449 00:19:46,881 --> 00:19:47,968 with your piece of paper. 450 00:19:47,969 --> 00:19:50,144 Hours and hours. 451 00:19:50,145 --> 00:19:52,756 You never know exactly when that door is gonna open. 452 00:19:53,844 --> 00:19:55,497 He's busy, too. 453 00:19:55,498 --> 00:19:58,500 He's not just sitting in a room trying to be late 454 00:19:58,501 --> 00:20:00,242 for mythology or something. 455 00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:02,809 Unless he is. 456 00:20:05,334 --> 00:20:07,206 That would be terrible. 457 00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:10,208 Time was a suggestion. 458 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:13,385 A 2:00 p.m. thing started at 4:00. 459 00:20:13,386 --> 00:20:15,430 I think it's 'cause we have such a drop-dead, 460 00:20:15,431 --> 00:20:20,566 "It has to be ready at 11:30 on Saturday," 461 00:20:20,567 --> 00:20:23,657 that everything else can slide. 462 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:40,020 You guys want to put your hands together and pray? 463 00:20:40,021 --> 00:20:42,371 I just think, for the cameras. 464 00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:45,678 Do you have any idea how many people 465 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,420 are coming into this room? 466 00:20:48,812 --> 00:20:50,639 Every Monday, 467 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,467 the writers and cast members cram into Lorne's office 468 00:20:52,468 --> 00:20:56,472 to meet this week's host and to make each other laugh. 469 00:20:57,778 --> 00:21:01,128 Oh. Oh. 470 00:21:01,129 --> 00:21:02,956 Anything you want to do, 471 00:21:02,957 --> 00:21:04,914 as opposed to anything you want to stay away from? 472 00:21:04,915 --> 00:21:08,309 Maybe "Whiskers R We" with Billie Eilish. 473 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:09,789 I don't know. Whatever you want. 474 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:12,313 It'd be great. You have her, you have... 475 00:21:12,314 --> 00:21:14,533 Maya and Kristen will be around. 476 00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:15,708 - Yes. - Yeah. 477 00:21:15,709 --> 00:21:17,100 Wonderful. 478 00:21:17,101 --> 00:21:19,538 Yes. 479 00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:21,453 I'm not... Am I acting natural for the camera? 480 00:21:21,454 --> 00:21:23,542 You... Yeah. Yeah. 481 00:21:23,543 --> 00:21:25,108 - Under... understated. - I-I'm not good 482 00:21:25,109 --> 00:21:27,459 at being natural for the camera. 483 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:28,982 I'm a little... 484 00:21:28,983 --> 00:21:30,200 Do you want me to invite them in? 485 00:21:30,201 --> 00:21:31,637 - Yes. Let's, um... - All right. 486 00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:33,769 - Which chair is, uh... - That one. 487 00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:35,641 This is so weird. Can I sit on the floor? 488 00:21:35,642 --> 00:21:37,773 - Please, spare me. - I-I think it's so weird. 489 00:21:40,995 --> 00:21:42,909 For those of you who are fans of the show, 490 00:21:42,910 --> 00:21:45,521 this is Kate McKinnon. 491 00:21:50,526 --> 00:21:52,701 A while ago, me, you and Street 492 00:21:52,702 --> 00:21:57,140 wrote one where you were one of those hot sushi girls. 493 00:21:57,141 --> 00:21:59,534 Lies down, has sushi all over you, 494 00:21:59,535 --> 00:22:01,710 and you were wearing socks, and you kept coughing. 495 00:22:03,583 --> 00:22:05,975 Might be worth a revisit. 496 00:22:05,976 --> 00:22:07,890 My sister-in-law once asked me 497 00:22:07,891 --> 00:22:10,589 if I wanted to play a quickie game of Monopoly. 498 00:22:12,635 --> 00:22:15,028 My mom sometimes drinks too much wine 499 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:17,378 and then asks, uh, crazy questions. 500 00:22:17,379 --> 00:22:19,685 "Marcello, what's the difference 501 00:22:19,686 --> 00:22:22,383 between a butt dial and a booty call?" 502 00:22:24,691 --> 00:22:26,648 Everyone knows they have to... 503 00:22:26,649 --> 00:22:28,346 say something. 504 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:31,349 It's much more about: "The week has to start. 505 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,960 We can't keep talking about last week's show." 506 00:22:33,961 --> 00:22:35,788 Maybe you see a semitruck... 507 00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:38,268 - Uh-huh. - ...and you go, "Semitruck? 508 00:22:38,269 --> 00:22:40,227 Seems like plenty of truck to me." 509 00:22:55,939 --> 00:22:58,898 Well, it's the last show of '23, so... 510 00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:00,639 try and get it right. 511 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,730 And, uh, let's start. 512 00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:12,738 Comedy writers 513 00:23:12,739 --> 00:23:15,567 and show business people are highly complex, 514 00:23:15,568 --> 00:23:18,221 and their egos are fragile. 515 00:23:18,222 --> 00:23:21,877 And he's constantly able to put out fires. 516 00:23:21,878 --> 00:23:24,967 And if two people are fighting, he knows how to handle that. 517 00:23:24,968 --> 00:23:26,752 It's a very strange, 518 00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:28,797 difficult thing to navigate, and I don't... 519 00:23:28,798 --> 00:23:31,234 I wonder how long it took him to figure that out. 520 00:23:31,235 --> 00:23:32,975 I mean, 'cause if you think about it, 521 00:23:32,976 --> 00:23:35,413 when he came in, it was... wh-when he started the show, 522 00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:39,242 there were so many strong comedic voices, 523 00:23:39,243 --> 00:23:42,071 and they were peers. 524 00:23:42,072 --> 00:23:45,553 For all of us, it was not only our first success, 525 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:47,990 it was... it was something that was, uh... 526 00:23:47,991 --> 00:23:49,514 that we would never, to this day, 527 00:23:49,515 --> 00:23:51,603 as you can tell how inarticulate I am 528 00:23:51,604 --> 00:23:53,256 about the emotional part of it, 529 00:23:53,257 --> 00:23:55,911 it was something where we were all so... 530 00:23:55,912 --> 00:23:57,739 not only living on top of each other, 531 00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:01,308 there was just this incredible sense of elation, 532 00:24:01,309 --> 00:24:03,702 wanting it so much to succeed. 533 00:24:03,703 --> 00:24:05,530 It was all for one and one for all, 534 00:24:05,531 --> 00:24:07,836 and then suddenly it wasn't. 535 00:24:07,837 --> 00:24:10,099 Because he can't do the show. Listen, he was in dress rehe... 536 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:12,145 You're gonna have to ask Danny to go out and do the opening. 537 00:24:12,146 --> 00:24:13,799 - Belushi is just not re... - Mr. Michaels? 538 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,540 Yeah. One second, please, okay? 539 00:24:15,541 --> 00:24:16,889 Send Danny out. 540 00:24:16,890 --> 00:24:18,630 Can you imagine trying to ride herd 541 00:24:18,631 --> 00:24:20,632 on that original SNLcast? 542 00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:23,809 Look, I-I can't put this man on television. 543 00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:25,637 He's... I mean, he's-he's barely awake. 544 00:24:25,638 --> 00:24:28,857 Lorne, if John Belushi could speak, 545 00:24:28,858 --> 00:24:31,251 he'd tell you he's got to go on. 546 00:24:31,252 --> 00:24:33,601 It was a lot of stress 547 00:24:33,602 --> 00:24:36,038 and a lot of pressure, and we just 548 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,780 kept relentlessly moving forward. 549 00:24:38,781 --> 00:24:40,782 And the energy level of the show 550 00:24:40,783 --> 00:24:42,567 was just... 551 00:24:42,568 --> 00:24:45,526 We are two wild and crazy... 552 00:24:48,443 --> 00:24:51,489 I didn't understand how... 553 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,187 it was going to work. 554 00:24:54,275 --> 00:24:56,058 And sometimes it doesn't. 555 00:24:56,059 --> 00:24:57,538 You had said something 556 00:24:57,539 --> 00:24:59,322 that I thought was interesting. 557 00:24:59,323 --> 00:25:01,107 - Only one thing that I've said? - I have many things here. 558 00:25:01,108 --> 00:25:02,848 - Yeah, okay, yeah. - Uh, here's one of the things. 559 00:25:02,849 --> 00:25:04,371 - Yeah. - Um, you were 560 00:25:04,372 --> 00:25:06,112 completely unprepared for the first five years 561 00:25:06,113 --> 00:25:09,202 - except professionally. - Yeah. 562 00:25:09,203 --> 00:25:14,381 The first period was thrilling, but it was unsustainable. 563 00:25:14,382 --> 00:25:16,644 If your responsibility is 564 00:25:16,645 --> 00:25:19,517 to whatever the standard you believe is important, 565 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:21,563 there's always gonna be some distance. 566 00:25:22,651 --> 00:25:24,478 Cracks begin to form. 567 00:25:24,479 --> 00:25:27,394 Chevy Chase, Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi 568 00:25:27,395 --> 00:25:30,092 all leave before season five. 569 00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:32,791 I don't recall him saying, "Please don't," 570 00:25:32,792 --> 00:25:34,749 or anything like that. 571 00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:39,449 Or else I probably would have stayed. 572 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:42,323 You know, I should have thought that one out. 573 00:25:45,195 --> 00:25:47,675 Those guys leaving... it broke his heart. 574 00:25:47,676 --> 00:25:49,156 It broke his heart. 575 00:25:50,244 --> 00:25:52,724 At the end of the fifth season, 576 00:25:52,725 --> 00:25:54,377 my contract was up. 577 00:25:54,378 --> 00:25:57,163 Everybody's contract was up, pretty much. 578 00:25:57,164 --> 00:25:58,773 It had to be reinvented, 579 00:25:58,774 --> 00:26:01,471 and to be reinvented, it had to be blown up. 580 00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:04,649 And I didn't have the... 581 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:07,652 emotional bandwidth to do that. 582 00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:12,744 This is the last show of the year. 583 00:26:12,745 --> 00:26:15,398 Some people, in fact, think it might be 584 00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:17,705 the last Saturday Nightshow ever. 585 00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:19,141 No. 586 00:26:19,142 --> 00:26:21,883 What Lorne really hoped would happen 587 00:26:21,884 --> 00:26:24,756 was that he could take a little bit of a break, 588 00:26:24,757 --> 00:26:29,108 clean house, hire a lot of new people and start fresh. 589 00:26:29,109 --> 00:26:31,066 I think it somehow didn't occur to him 590 00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:33,591 that it wasn't really his intellectual property. 591 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:37,943 Lorne was unhappy and was summoned to the office 592 00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:40,946 of NBC Entertainment President Irwin Segelstein 593 00:26:40,947 --> 00:26:44,253 to discuss the show's future. 594 00:26:44,254 --> 00:26:47,039 He had to take the trouble to explain to me 595 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,824 that not everything you want to do, you get to do. 596 00:26:49,825 --> 00:26:52,000 'Cause it might not be good for them, 597 00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:54,873 and they're... they're basically in control. 598 00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:57,049 Uh, and he said... 599 00:26:57,050 --> 00:27:00,008 Let me take you through what will happen when you leave. 600 00:27:00,009 --> 00:27:03,272 When you leave, the show will get worse. 601 00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:04,970 But not all of a sudden. 602 00:27:04,971 --> 00:27:06,841 Gradually. 603 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,539 And it will take the audience a while to figure that out. 604 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:11,803 Maybe two, maybe three years. 605 00:27:11,804 --> 00:27:14,457 And when it gets to be, you know, awful 606 00:27:14,458 --> 00:27:17,025 and the audience has abandoned it, 607 00:27:17,026 --> 00:27:20,333 then we will cancel it, and the show will be gone. 608 00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:24,424 But we will still be here, because we are the network 609 00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:26,687 and we are eternal. 610 00:27:26,688 --> 00:27:28,384 If you read your contract, 611 00:27:28,385 --> 00:27:31,126 it says it's to be this length of time, 612 00:27:31,127 --> 00:27:32,780 it's to cost this amount of money, 613 00:27:32,781 --> 00:27:34,521 and it's to be delivered at this date. 614 00:27:34,522 --> 00:27:37,916 Nowhere in that does it ever say it has to be good. 615 00:27:37,917 --> 00:27:41,484 Our job is to lie, cheat and steal, 616 00:27:41,485 --> 00:27:44,618 and your job is to do the show. 617 00:27:44,619 --> 00:27:46,968 Gulp. 618 00:27:46,969 --> 00:27:51,973 The last shot of the last show of that season 619 00:27:51,974 --> 00:27:55,630 was the "on air" sign going off. 620 00:27:57,023 --> 00:27:58,545 No one slept that night. 621 00:27:58,546 --> 00:28:01,113 Okay. It was like, "What the fuck? 622 00:28:01,114 --> 00:28:02,550 What does that mean?" 623 00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:05,944 There was nobody at NBC saying, 624 00:28:05,945 --> 00:28:09,425 "You're really important." 625 00:28:09,426 --> 00:28:12,864 I thought it was just easier for me to leave. 626 00:28:12,865 --> 00:28:15,910 The show would continue without Lorne 627 00:28:15,911 --> 00:28:18,131 for the next five years. 628 00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:27,748 Each Tuesday, 629 00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:30,838 Lorne and a select group take the host out 630 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,494 to the same restaurant for 40 years. 631 00:28:34,495 --> 00:28:37,192 So we spoke with Ed, the maître d', 632 00:28:37,193 --> 00:28:40,108 to learn anything we could about these dinners. 633 00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:41,937 What does he eat? 634 00:28:43,417 --> 00:28:46,549 This is a little bit like Las Vegas. 635 00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:48,814 What happens here stays here. 636 00:28:52,339 --> 00:28:53,992 Um... 637 00:28:55,864 --> 00:28:57,473 The paparazzi people were, like, fight... 638 00:28:57,474 --> 00:28:59,301 They were like, "Hold on, hold on, hold on! 639 00:28:59,302 --> 00:29:00,826 Wait, give her a second." 640 00:29:01,914 --> 00:29:03,218 - It's snowing. - Yeah. 641 00:29:03,219 --> 00:29:04,829 -Oh, really? -Yeah. 642 00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:05,786 -It's snowing. -Just now? 643 00:29:05,787 --> 00:29:07,309 -Yeah. - Yeah. 644 00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:09,268 It's like snow that can't make up its mind. 645 00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:11,009 Yes. 646 00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:13,011 They put out flowers for you, I feel like. 647 00:29:13,012 --> 00:29:14,490 No. 648 00:29:14,491 --> 00:29:15,709 I don't think I've ever seen that. 649 00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:17,189 They have microphones. 650 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:19,191 There's a camera crew here. 651 00:29:19,192 --> 00:29:20,975 I don't know what to get. 652 00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:22,935 As long as it's generally Italian... 653 00:29:26,677 --> 00:29:28,330 I think so many people 654 00:29:28,331 --> 00:29:31,029 are intimidated by him because of, like, 655 00:29:31,030 --> 00:29:32,900 the historical baggage that comes with him. 656 00:29:32,901 --> 00:29:34,902 Like, "Oh, my God, I'm in, like, the room with Lorne Michaels. 657 00:29:34,903 --> 00:29:36,034 Like, fuck." 658 00:29:36,035 --> 00:29:39,081 But he is not intimidating. 659 00:29:41,562 --> 00:29:44,825 I think his favorite band is Nirvana. 660 00:29:44,826 --> 00:29:46,871 Isn't that cool? 661 00:29:46,872 --> 00:29:48,655 I think. I don't know. 662 00:29:51,354 --> 00:29:53,225 How's it going? 663 00:29:53,226 --> 00:29:55,618 Everybody's awful. They're mean. 664 00:29:55,619 --> 00:29:57,316 - Believe me, I know. - Sarah's a biter. 665 00:29:57,317 --> 00:29:59,579 - She bites. -I get this everywhere. 666 00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:01,102 And then, yeah, I feel like people have, like, 667 00:30:01,103 --> 00:30:03,148 some good, fun ideas, and... 668 00:30:03,149 --> 00:30:05,759 - Yeah. - I'm excited to see tomorrow. 669 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,587 As am I. 670 00:30:07,588 --> 00:30:08,980 It'll be a complete surprise. 671 00:30:08,981 --> 00:30:10,198 - I-I think... - Yeah. 672 00:30:10,199 --> 00:30:11,678 I think it will be. 673 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,854 They caught this conversation between... 674 00:30:13,855 --> 00:30:15,638 While the cast gets 675 00:30:15,639 --> 00:30:18,032 to enjoy rare personal time with Lorne, 676 00:30:18,033 --> 00:30:20,948 they also know the clock is ticking. 677 00:30:20,949 --> 00:30:24,604 To me, it's, like, panic-eating branzino, 678 00:30:24,605 --> 00:30:27,781 um, 'cause your stuff isn't written yet. 679 00:30:27,782 --> 00:30:29,174 It's gotten much better, 680 00:30:29,175 --> 00:30:30,392 but when I first started, it was, like, 681 00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:32,481 full panic attack and, like, 682 00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,701 having to eat a branzino. 683 00:30:34,702 --> 00:30:37,008 And then looking around and you're like, 684 00:30:37,009 --> 00:30:38,531 "Oh, and everyone ordered a salad. 685 00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:40,315 "Oh, now they have espresso. 686 00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:42,100 Oh, now there's dessert." 687 00:30:42,101 --> 00:30:44,537 And then you have to, like, sit and, like, watch somebody 688 00:30:44,538 --> 00:30:47,496 eat a gelato that's, like, in a piece of fruit, 689 00:30:47,497 --> 00:30:50,543 and that isn't the fastest way to eat a dessert. 690 00:31:00,946 --> 00:31:04,209 Oh, my God. Um, we have so much work to do. 691 00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:06,124 - So much. - Yeah. Got to go. 692 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,779 Writing night. 693 00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:12,173 Another staple of theSNL machine. 694 00:31:12,174 --> 00:31:14,175 Scripts are due in the morning, 695 00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:18,180 so many of these poor souls will be here until sunrise. 696 00:31:26,754 --> 00:31:28,363 Hey, can you guys keep it down? 697 00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:29,887 - Sorry. -Sure. 698 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:30,931 - I'm kidding. - Are we screaming too much? 699 00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:32,411 - Sorry. - I'm kidding. 700 00:31:32,412 --> 00:31:33,542 That's kind of, like, our thing, though. 701 00:31:36,285 --> 00:31:39,722 That's why this sketch is gonna crush. 702 00:31:39,723 --> 00:31:42,857 Might be great if we weren't screaming the whole time. 703 00:31:44,598 --> 00:31:46,338 Throughout the years, 704 00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:48,862 people always said, "Why do we do it this way? 705 00:31:48,863 --> 00:31:50,342 "I mean, why don't we use the down weeks 706 00:31:50,343 --> 00:31:51,430 "to write more sketches? 707 00:31:51,431 --> 00:31:52,997 "Or why don't we, 708 00:31:52,998 --> 00:31:55,173 "you know, reuse sketches that got killed? 709 00:31:55,174 --> 00:31:57,088 And why does the writing have to be at night?" 710 00:31:57,089 --> 00:31:58,437 I mean, it's just, like, crazy. 711 00:32:02,877 --> 00:32:05,792 I always say, "Fatigue is your friend." 712 00:32:05,793 --> 00:32:10,188 Through exhaustion and through people just being so depleted, 713 00:32:10,189 --> 00:32:12,190 the unconscious takes over, and suddenly, 714 00:32:12,191 --> 00:32:14,453 you take way bigger risks 715 00:32:14,454 --> 00:32:16,803 and you start to make yourself laugh. 716 00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:18,196 Who are you? I love it. 717 00:32:18,197 --> 00:32:19,197 What's this, an apple? You're hired. 718 00:32:21,113 --> 00:32:24,115 I learned that early on. 719 00:32:24,116 --> 00:32:25,594 Lorne said when he was writing 720 00:32:25,595 --> 00:32:27,031 on Laugh-Inin the '60s... 721 00:32:27,032 --> 00:32:28,510 What's that? 722 00:32:28,511 --> 00:32:29,642 Laugh-Inwas, like... 723 00:32:29,643 --> 00:32:31,513 No, what's the '60s? 724 00:32:33,864 --> 00:32:36,214 Ah, the '60s. 725 00:32:36,215 --> 00:32:39,173 Like any good documentary, this is where we play clips 726 00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:41,567 of Vietnam and hippies. 727 00:32:41,568 --> 00:32:43,743 I was too driven to be a hippie, 728 00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:45,527 but when John Lennon said 729 00:32:45,528 --> 00:32:47,921 that he was growing his hair to stop the war in Vietnam, 730 00:32:47,922 --> 00:32:49,662 I thought that was a really good idea. 731 00:32:49,663 --> 00:32:52,882 ♪ Some folks are born made to wave the flag... ♪ 732 00:32:52,883 --> 00:32:54,407 Hot Lorne. 733 00:32:55,408 --> 00:32:57,365 He was a real cutie. 734 00:32:57,366 --> 00:33:01,108 In 1969, Lorne moved from Canada to Los Angeles 735 00:33:01,109 --> 00:33:03,284 with his writing partner Hart Pomerantz. 736 00:33:03,285 --> 00:33:07,332 They had just landed a job on the hottest show on TV. 737 00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:08,942 It was the number one show, 738 00:33:08,943 --> 00:33:12,076 tied withHere's Lucy. 739 00:33:12,077 --> 00:33:14,426 So, the country was divided. 740 00:33:14,427 --> 00:33:17,733 He's right. The country was very divided. 741 00:33:17,734 --> 00:33:19,257 On Monday night television. 742 00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:22,347 And Lorne was on the front lines. 743 00:33:23,784 --> 00:33:25,437 As always, I was interested 744 00:33:25,438 --> 00:33:27,178 in how it was made. 745 00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:29,441 But we were never at a read-through with the cast, 746 00:33:29,442 --> 00:33:31,443 and we were never in the studio. 747 00:33:31,444 --> 00:33:33,793 They had the writers in one building, 748 00:33:33,794 --> 00:33:36,100 and not even on the lot, 749 00:33:36,101 --> 00:33:38,711 and they would send in the material. 750 00:33:38,712 --> 00:33:40,495 They'd just crank out jokes, 751 00:33:40,496 --> 00:33:42,410 give them to somebody else to rewrite. 752 00:33:42,411 --> 00:33:45,283 Don't even know until when you watch the show on TV 753 00:33:45,284 --> 00:33:46,850 if any of your words are there. 754 00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,461 It was dispiriting, 755 00:33:49,462 --> 00:33:51,028 'cause you're not really connected, 756 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:52,725 you don't know the cast. 757 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:59,253 The fun of it, that spirit, was missing. 758 00:33:59,254 --> 00:34:04,171 It's amazing how writer-forward this show is. 759 00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:07,392 That's the most special thing that he's added to the culture 760 00:34:07,393 --> 00:34:10,699 I don't think people know about. 761 00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:12,832 You can write whatever you want. 762 00:34:12,833 --> 00:34:14,442 You're kind of expected to, 763 00:34:14,443 --> 00:34:17,358 to bring something new or weird or specific. 764 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:20,057 And then there are things that are so wonderful 765 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:24,931 that get on and stick with people forever. 766 00:34:24,932 --> 00:34:27,194 Like the people that... who happened to be home that night 767 00:34:27,195 --> 00:34:29,718 and saw, you know, "Bird Family." 768 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,372 - Here comes some corn. - All right. 769 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,248 They're never gonna forget "The Bird Family." 770 00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:46,083 Wednesday begins around 4:30 771 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,607 with the table read. 772 00:34:48,608 --> 00:34:51,088 By now, Lorne's producers have narrowed down the sketches 773 00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:53,699 from 60 to around 40, 774 00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:56,311 which will be read over the next four hours. 775 00:34:58,052 --> 00:35:01,098 The way he reads the stage directions... 776 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:03,187 Have you been in a read-through? 777 00:35:03,188 --> 00:35:04,362 Yeah, yeah. 778 00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:07,408 "Outside of a high school. 779 00:35:07,409 --> 00:35:09,193 "We go to a rough high school classroom. 780 00:35:09,194 --> 00:35:11,282 "The cast and extras are rowdy teens. 781 00:35:11,283 --> 00:35:13,632 "Kenan enters as the principal. 782 00:35:13,633 --> 00:35:16,504 "Jake enters dressed like Neo from The Matrix. 783 00:35:16,505 --> 00:35:18,158 "He's wet and panting. 784 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,160 Everybody's silent for a beat." 785 00:35:20,161 --> 00:35:23,729 Um, are you our... 786 00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:26,210 Not today. 787 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,343 So, when I see you 788 00:35:29,344 --> 00:35:32,129 at a read-through, what are you mainly thinking about? 789 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:34,566 How the fuck I'm still doing 790 00:35:34,567 --> 00:35:36,395 that part of the job. 791 00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:39,397 The best at the table read, 792 00:35:39,398 --> 00:35:41,312 when you're doing something and it's not going well, 793 00:35:41,313 --> 00:35:43,879 and you glance up at Lorne, and he's looking at you... 794 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,491 -Oh, God. - ...over his glasses like this. 795 00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:49,363 Like... 796 00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:51,017 I don't think I ever got one of those, 797 00:35:51,018 --> 00:35:52,540 but I definitely did one thing at the table 798 00:35:52,541 --> 00:35:55,369 where he actually put his head in his hands. 799 00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:57,155 Like... 800 00:35:58,678 --> 00:36:02,333 How many sketches has Lorne heard, 801 00:36:02,334 --> 00:36:03,986 - like, via read-through? -Oh, yeah. 802 00:36:03,987 --> 00:36:05,814 It's got to be tens of thousands. 803 00:36:05,815 --> 00:36:08,034 - 21 shows a season. - Right. 804 00:36:08,035 --> 00:36:09,949 -For 45 seasons. -45... 805 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:14,562 Whoa! That was... 806 00:36:14,563 --> 00:36:18,871 That's at least 28,350 sketches. - 807 00:36:18,872 --> 00:36:21,178 That he's heard and had to read. 808 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:23,528 Uh, "secretary of state designates..." 809 00:36:23,529 --> 00:36:26,008 "Maya as flamboyant Latin talk show host..." 810 00:36:26,009 --> 00:36:29,708 "Now please welcome the Leonardo DiCaprio of hotel TV, 811 00:36:29,709 --> 00:36:31,971 Mario Lopez." 812 00:36:31,972 --> 00:36:34,016 When you can get a good laugh out of Lorne, 813 00:36:34,017 --> 00:36:35,801 you feel like, you're like, "I don't even care 814 00:36:35,802 --> 00:36:37,368 "if the sketch makes it. Lorne just laughed. 815 00:36:37,369 --> 00:36:39,500 I feel good." 816 00:36:39,501 --> 00:36:41,415 I don't know exactly what it is, 817 00:36:41,416 --> 00:36:43,200 but when you get it, it means... 818 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,027 - it means the world. - Oh, it's so... so satisfying. 819 00:36:45,028 --> 00:36:47,552 Sometimes, too, it may not be 820 00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:49,989 funny to him, but he can see, like, 821 00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:53,340 other people really enjoying it, and he knows, 822 00:36:53,341 --> 00:36:56,169 "There's just gonna be stuff I'm not gonna be aware of 823 00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:58,432 that's gonna be huge to people." 824 00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:01,783 He takes, like, 24-year-olds really seriously, 825 00:37:01,784 --> 00:37:05,047 in a way that I think a lot of people maybe wouldn't. 826 00:37:05,048 --> ;�>@Very cool to see a film 827 00:37:06,659 --> 00:37:08,007 full of queer Trolls out there 828 00:37:08,008 --> 00:37:09,400 doing their thing for the very first time. 829 00:37:09,401 --> 00:37:10,662 Queer Trolls on screen. 830 00:37:10,663 --> 00:37:12,229 We did it. 831 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,056 When you're on page three 832 00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:17,843 of a 14-page piece, sometimes I really feel 833 00:37:17,844 --> 00:37:20,628 that my life is slipping away from me. 834 00:37:20,629 --> 00:37:22,717 But you can never say, 835 00:37:22,718 --> 00:37:24,241 "Okay, I think we're done with this. 836 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:25,720 Let's move on to the next piece." 837 00:37:25,721 --> 00:37:27,679 'Cause in that kind of community, 838 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,205 everybody deserves to have their work heard. 839 00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:34,033 Even if it's awful. 840 00:37:38,778 --> 00:37:41,432 We were at a restaurant once, and a woman came up 841 00:37:41,433 --> 00:37:44,435 with a script with, like, a fuzzy cover, 842 00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:46,001 like the kind, like, a little girl 843 00:37:46,002 --> 00:37:47,525 - would have on a notebook. - Mm-hmm. 844 00:37:47,526 --> 00:37:49,657 And she was like, "My husband wrote this script. 845 00:37:49,658 --> 00:37:52,007 Will you read it?" And he goes, "Yes, yes. 846 00:37:52,008 --> 00:37:55,054 - I understand. I understand." -Oh, wow. 847 00:37:55,055 --> 00:37:57,143 "I understand." And he took it. 848 00:37:57,144 --> 00:37:58,840 And I go, "Well, you took the script?" 849 00:37:58,841 --> 00:38:00,407 He goes, "Let me tell you why." 850 00:38:00,408 --> 00:38:02,061 He goes, "Terry Melcher..." 851 00:38:03,629 --> 00:38:05,151 Oh, this-this is so good. 852 00:38:05,152 --> 00:38:07,153 Terry Melcher told Charles Manson, 853 00:38:07,154 --> 00:38:08,937 "I'm not gonna make your demo," 854 00:38:08,938 --> 00:38:10,722 and that's why Manson sent them to Terry Melcher's house, 855 00:38:10,723 --> 00:38:12,724 and Sharon Tate was there. 856 00:38:12,725 --> 00:38:14,203 So he accepts everything... 857 00:38:14,204 --> 00:38:15,857 -Oh, my God. - Yeah, so a-a stranger 858 00:38:15,858 --> 00:38:17,119 has, like, a work of art 859 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,904 - they've done... -Yeah, yeah. 860 00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:21,298 - "I understand. I understand." -Yeah. 861 00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:23,735 To be like, "You and me... like, I get you. 862 00:38:23,736 --> 00:38:25,040 - Don't kill me." -Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 863 00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:26,520 - That's so good. -But also, 864 00:38:26,521 --> 00:38:29,131 they did a couple Manson sketches in the '70s, 865 00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:31,438 and Squeaky Fromme sent him a letter from jail 866 00:38:31,439 --> 00:38:35,268 that said, "I understand you've been a bad boy. 867 00:38:35,269 --> 00:38:37,226 Charlie is God. Charlie is Jesus." 868 00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:38,489 And then a smiley face. 869 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:40,099 -Oh! - And he went, 870 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:41,970 "And it's the smiley face that really scared me." 871 00:38:41,971 --> 00:38:45,496 Oh, man. I would frame that. 872 00:38:45,497 --> 00:38:47,454 -Come on. - She called him a bad boy? 873 00:38:47,455 --> 00:38:49,848 "I heard you're a bad boy." 874 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,816 After hearing dozens of sketches at read-through, 875 00:39:01,817 --> 00:39:03,427 Lorne and the host, 876 00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:05,733 along with the producers and head writers, 877 00:39:05,734 --> 00:39:08,258 select ten to 12 to produce. 878 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:13,437 Oftentimes on Wednesday, 879 00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:14,960 when you go into that meeting, 880 00:39:14,961 --> 00:39:17,354 it feels like you don't have anything. 881 00:39:17,355 --> 00:39:21,270 I think just the natural panic of that, 882 00:39:21,271 --> 00:39:23,360 to me, would be... would come quickly. 883 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:25,710 It's never that for him. 884 00:39:25,711 --> 00:39:27,189 "Church on Vacation." 885 00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:28,366 - We're there, right? -Yes. 886 00:39:29,454 --> 00:39:30,976 Yes. 887 00:39:30,977 --> 00:39:32,456 "They're Listening"? 888 00:39:32,457 --> 00:39:33,892 I really like "They're Listening." 889 00:39:33,893 --> 00:39:35,763 Uh, "LiMu Emu"? 890 00:39:35,764 --> 00:39:37,636 I like it. 891 00:39:39,289 --> 00:39:40,768 Liberty Mutual lets you customize and save, 892 00:39:40,769 --> 00:39:42,379 so you only pay for what you need. 893 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:43,728 Whoa. Really? 894 00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:47,645 What the [bleep], LiMu? 895 00:39:47,646 --> 00:39:48,863 I thought he was going for a gun. 896 00:39:48,864 --> 00:39:50,430 He barely moved! 897 00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:51,997 If we were to do "LiMu Emu," 898 00:39:51,998 --> 00:39:55,130 "Trump" and "PDD," Shane stars in all of them. 899 00:39:55,131 --> 00:39:57,263 There's not enough hours in the day. 900 00:39:57,264 --> 00:39:59,657 'Cause of those two, I think... 901 00:39:59,658 --> 00:40:02,355 "Trump Sneakers" is... I'd prefer to do that one. 902 00:40:02,356 --> 00:40:04,444 So, what's the third one? 903 00:40:04,445 --> 00:40:06,185 We could do "Sports Betting." 904 00:40:06,186 --> 00:40:07,665 Uh-huh. 905 00:40:07,666 --> 00:40:11,233 He's so good at always seeming 906 00:40:11,234 --> 00:40:14,193 in control, calm, 907 00:40:14,194 --> 00:40:17,196 bemused, unaffected. 908 00:40:17,197 --> 00:40:20,329 Lorne's confidence... 909 00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:22,201 it's not egomaniacal. 910 00:40:22,202 --> 00:40:26,727 He's not making it about "I." He's talking about "we." 911 00:40:26,728 --> 00:40:31,776 But where the confidence came from... I don't know. 912 00:40:34,214 --> 00:40:36,650 It's The Hart and Lorne Terrific Hour! 913 00:40:38,305 --> 00:40:40,175 At the beginning of the '70s, 914 00:40:40,176 --> 00:40:42,047 Lorne was back in Canada 915 00:40:42,048 --> 00:40:45,529 starring in a short-lived variety show on the CBC. 916 00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:47,139 And now it's time once again 917 00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:48,923 to talk to our old friend, the Canadian Beaver. 918 00:40:48,924 --> 00:40:50,403 Beav, how are you doing? 919 00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:51,796 Oh, pretty chipper. Pretty chipper. 920 00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:54,973 In sports, 921 00:40:54,974 --> 00:41:00,065 all the great coaches were shitty players. 922 00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:03,460 And Lorne had, you know, middling success. 923 00:41:03,461 --> 00:41:05,418 Well, that's all you need. 924 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,596 That's the greatest education in the world. 925 00:41:11,643 --> 00:41:13,557 When the show was eventually canceled, 926 00:41:13,558 --> 00:41:18,387 Lorne moved to Los Angeles to reinvent himself as a producer. 927 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,827 Stop! 928 00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:26,613 Most people I've talked to met Lorne 929 00:41:26,614 --> 00:41:28,441 when he started at SNL, 930 00:41:28,442 --> 00:41:31,139 and he was kind of more formed as a person. 931 00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:32,532 - Uh-huh. - But... 932 00:41:32,533 --> 00:41:33,751 Yes? 933 00:41:33,752 --> 00:41:35,361 But who was he when you met him? 934 00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:39,060 Oh, I think, for a fella that young, 935 00:41:39,061 --> 00:41:41,454 he was pretty sophisticated. 936 00:41:41,455 --> 00:41:44,370 Or we-we probably thought he was sophisticated. 937 00:41:44,371 --> 00:41:47,678 She was very much a kindred spirit. 938 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:49,680 Was someone who's on the same wavelength 939 00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:53,422 and-and cared just as much about it being good as I did. 940 00:41:53,423 --> 00:41:57,122 That's one thing Lorne and I liked especially, 941 00:41:57,123 --> 00:42:00,517 was to find something divinely silly. 942 00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:03,520 Lily decided to take a chance on Lorne, 943 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:07,175 so she hired him to write and produce her TV specials. 944 00:42:07,176 --> 00:42:09,134 He was ambitious. He was vulnerable. 945 00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:10,788 He was everything. 946 00:42:10,789 --> 00:42:12,398 I really liked him. 947 00:42:12,399 --> 00:42:14,574 And then I began to dislike him because he was 948 00:42:14,575 --> 00:42:17,403 kind of, uh, condescending. 949 00:42:17,404 --> 00:42:19,753 At one point, I said to Jane, my partner, 950 00:42:19,754 --> 00:42:21,450 "I'm gonna fire him." 951 00:42:21,451 --> 00:42:24,410 She, "Oh, no, no, you can't. You can't fire Lorne. 952 00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:26,847 "He's just... he's talented, and he needs... 953 00:42:26,848 --> 00:42:29,328 "he needs to have confidence, more confidence. 954 00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:32,157 You should really compliment him more." 955 00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:34,551 And I said, "Okay." 956 00:42:36,989 --> 00:42:39,686 That was just his own cover-up. 957 00:42:39,687 --> 00:42:41,820 He had so much to prove. 958 00:42:42,864 --> 00:42:45,605 And he was proving it. 959 00:42:45,606 --> 00:42:47,825 Lily was the first person to go to a network and suggest 960 00:42:47,826 --> 00:42:49,567 that I could produce, and I thank her for that. 961 00:42:52,439 --> 00:42:56,050 Confidence comes slowly. 962 00:42:56,051 --> 00:43:00,141 And the nature of the show is that it doesn't stop. 963 00:43:00,142 --> 00:43:01,229 It just keeps moving. 964 00:43:05,713 --> 00:43:07,453 Can I call you right back? 965 00:43:07,454 --> 00:43:09,063 If not for Lily, 966 00:43:09,064 --> 00:43:11,066 Lorne would have never landedSNL. 967 00:43:12,807 --> 00:43:15,026 But at the beginning of the '80s, 968 00:43:15,027 --> 00:43:17,333 what he needed was a job. 969 00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:20,553 There's been a lot of articles 970 00:43:20,554 --> 00:43:22,816 on howSaturday Night fell apart. 971 00:43:22,817 --> 00:43:25,732 You see, Lorne Michaels, the producer of Saturday Night, 972 00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:27,734 decided after last season 973 00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:30,258 that it was time to go on to different things. 974 00:43:31,826 --> 00:43:34,698 So, going back to 1980... 975 00:43:34,699 --> 00:43:36,917 You know, it was confusing. 976 00:43:36,918 --> 00:43:38,746 It was lonely. 977 00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:41,530 It's a breakup. 978 00:43:41,531 --> 00:43:43,838 Please write a card or letter to... 979 00:43:46,711 --> 00:43:49,364 Let's put this show out of its misery. 980 00:43:49,365 --> 00:43:51,192 No one really believes me, 981 00:43:51,193 --> 00:43:53,934 but I didn't watch the show for those five years. 982 00:43:56,155 --> 00:43:58,678 I spent a lot of time on my garden. 983 00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:02,726 Just decompressing. 984 00:44:02,727 --> 00:44:04,379 Healing myself. 985 00:44:07,427 --> 00:44:10,168 With any big rupture, 986 00:44:10,169 --> 00:44:13,475 nature allowed me to reconnect 987 00:44:13,476 --> 00:44:16,261 to something that seemed more important. 988 00:44:18,351 --> 00:44:22,224 And so I built a pond. 989 00:44:24,009 --> 00:44:26,358 But not physically. 990 00:44:26,359 --> 00:44:28,577 He wasn't... he didn't dig the hole. 991 00:44:32,321 --> 00:44:33,887 I'd like it to be big 992 00:44:33,888 --> 00:44:35,933 but not that thing where it's announcing itself, 993 00:44:35,934 --> 00:44:38,457 like when Sonny and Cher came back and it was like, 994 00:44:38,458 --> 00:44:41,199 "Here we are," and nobody cared anymore. 995 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,767 I'm reminded of a trip that he took. 996 00:44:43,768 --> 00:44:45,725 You'd have to ask Paul about it. 997 00:44:45,726 --> 00:44:47,205 Oh, yeah, down to Tennessee? 998 00:44:47,206 --> 00:44:49,511 They went up Highway 61, 999 00:44:49,512 --> 00:44:51,296 all the way to Graceland. 1000 00:44:51,297 --> 00:44:52,689 We got pulled over, 1001 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:54,734 and a police officer recognized me, 1002 00:44:54,735 --> 00:44:56,955 and then w... and wanted my autograph. 1003 00:45:01,089 --> 00:45:02,524 I think this trip had 1004 00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:05,266 a profound effect on both of them. 1005 00:45:05,267 --> 00:45:07,355 It made him have an understanding 1006 00:45:07,356 --> 00:45:10,445 of a culture and a world that he had never experienced. 1007 00:45:10,446 --> 00:45:13,666 Then also, the Gracelandalbum came out of this. 1008 00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:15,320 ♪ The Mississippi Delta ♪ 1009 00:45:15,321 --> 00:45:17,801 ♪ Was shining like a National Guitar... ♪ 1010 00:45:17,802 --> 00:45:19,672 So much of Hollywood, 1011 00:45:19,673 --> 00:45:23,284 they perform for the I-95 corridor, 1012 00:45:23,285 --> 00:45:25,460 and he does have an understanding of 1013 00:45:25,461 --> 00:45:29,377 and sensitivity to Middle America. 1014 00:45:29,378 --> 00:45:31,510 ♪ I'm going to Graceland ♪ 1015 00:45:31,511 --> 00:45:33,207 ♪ Memphis, Tennessee ♪ 1016 00:45:33,208 --> 00:45:35,340 ♪ I'm going to Graceland... ♪ 1017 00:45:35,341 --> 00:45:37,777 He's here, and he's not here. 1018 00:45:37,778 --> 00:45:39,910 'Cause I think the more you're in it, 1019 00:45:39,911 --> 00:45:41,476 the more you think that, 1020 00:45:41,477 --> 00:45:44,001 for the phenomenon of Saturday Night Live, 1021 00:45:44,002 --> 00:45:47,874 the world revolves around that. 1022 00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:50,311 You can believe that your little universe 1023 00:45:50,312 --> 00:45:53,533 is the universe, but it isn't. 1024 00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:57,057 Lorne was ready to move on. 1025 00:45:57,058 --> 00:46:00,234 But as they say in Hollywood, the phone stopped ringing. 1026 00:46:00,235 --> 00:46:01,453 Until... 1027 00:46:03,978 --> 00:46:06,980 Somebody from the network called and said... 1028 00:46:06,981 --> 00:46:10,201 You want my help filling a time slot? 1029 00:46:10,202 --> 00:46:13,378 No, no, it... there were four time slots. 1030 00:46:13,379 --> 00:46:15,162 No, no, no. I know. 1031 00:46:15,163 --> 00:46:16,990 I said, "Well, I'm not gonna do Saturday, 1032 00:46:16,991 --> 00:46:18,818 so maybe Friday." 1033 00:46:18,819 --> 00:46:21,996 Uh, and as long as it can be different than the old show. 1034 00:46:24,433 --> 00:46:26,565 Three years ago, Michaels quit TV. 1035 00:46:26,566 --> 00:46:28,872 Now he's back with The New Show. 1036 00:46:28,873 --> 00:46:30,787 To me, it made complete sense 1037 00:46:30,788 --> 00:46:34,834 that now it wasSNL ten years later, 1038 00:46:34,835 --> 00:46:37,881 the audience that loved it at 11:30 1039 00:46:37,882 --> 00:46:40,622 were now a little older and had kids. 1040 00:46:40,623 --> 00:46:42,276 And it had incredible 1041 00:46:42,277 --> 00:46:43,800 rotating casts of guests. 1042 00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:45,453 A lot of John Candy appearances. 1043 00:46:45,454 --> 00:46:47,673 Hello. Roy's Food Repair. 1044 00:46:49,154 --> 00:46:50,850 Uh-huh. 1045 00:46:50,851 --> 00:46:52,330 Yeah, eggs. 1046 00:46:52,331 --> 00:46:54,898 Yeah, we fix 'em. 1047 00:46:54,899 --> 00:46:56,900 I sort of like the idea that, 1048 00:46:56,901 --> 00:46:59,641 uh, "New" has been the sort of one constant in television 1049 00:46:59,642 --> 00:47:01,426 since, uh... since I first started watching it. 1050 00:47:01,427 --> 00:47:03,167 The New Show. 1051 00:47:03,168 --> 00:47:05,038 The thought is to move the title to New Improved Show 1052 00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,388 by the... you know, by March or April, 1053 00:47:07,389 --> 00:47:09,782 uh, if we feel we're... we're getting better at it. 1054 00:47:09,783 --> 00:47:12,916 That show was a fucking nightmare. 1055 00:47:12,917 --> 00:47:14,743 I don't know how else to put it. 1056 00:47:14,744 --> 00:47:17,572 Fucking nightmare. Okay? 1057 00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:19,923 It looked like Saturday Night Live, 1058 00:47:19,924 --> 00:47:22,229 but it didn't have the live energy because 1059 00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:23,970 it was all on tape. 1060 00:47:23,971 --> 00:47:27,191 There was a lot of, "Okay, hold. We're gonna redo that." 1061 00:47:27,192 --> 00:47:28,757 Cut. Those two extras, 1062 00:47:28,758 --> 00:47:30,585 they keep staring in the lens. 1063 00:47:30,586 --> 00:47:32,152 And then everyone would 1064 00:47:32,153 --> 00:47:33,850 stay up all night trying to edit it 1065 00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:35,982 into something that could air on Friday. 1066 00:47:35,983 --> 00:47:38,724 And, of course, it was all chopped up. 1067 00:47:38,725 --> 00:47:40,422 And then laugh tracks had to be added. 1068 00:47:43,425 --> 00:47:44,730 We're on exhibit! 1069 00:47:44,731 --> 00:47:46,471 We're in a zoo! 1070 00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:53,870 He was on the line personally for overrunning budget, 1071 00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:57,439 so he was actually losing his money. 1072 00:47:58,919 --> 00:48:00,833 I heard millions. 1073 00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:02,705 Probably. 1074 00:48:04,403 --> 00:48:06,230 I think maybe we were trying 1075 00:48:06,231 --> 00:48:08,668 to recapture something that, um... 1076 00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:12,498 ...that happened naturally... 1077 00:48:13,803 --> 00:48:15,761 ...and we couldn't get it back. 1078 00:48:15,762 --> 00:48:18,329 We had a wonderful time, and you've been a great audience, 1079 00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:20,679 so good night and drive carefully. 1080 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,160 - Good night. - Good night. 1081 00:48:23,596 --> 00:48:25,292 I was in an editing room, like, 1082 00:48:25,293 --> 00:48:27,773 at 4:00 in the morning with Buck Henry. 1083 00:48:27,774 --> 00:48:29,470 Uh, he said, "But at least you still have 1084 00:48:29,471 --> 00:48:30,950 the money coming in from SNL." 1085 00:48:30,951 --> 00:48:32,778 And I said, "No, I don't." 1086 00:48:32,779 --> 00:48:34,214 And he said, "What?" 1087 00:48:34,215 --> 00:48:35,824 I said, "No, I walked away clean. 1088 00:48:35,825 --> 00:48:37,696 "I didn't want to have... If my name's not on it, 1089 00:48:37,697 --> 00:48:39,524 I don't really w-want to be responsible." 1090 00:48:39,525 --> 00:48:41,308 This is Canadian. 1091 00:48:41,309 --> 00:48:43,310 And he said, "You know, you're... you're an idiot." 1092 00:48:43,311 --> 00:48:45,312 I said, "What do you mean?" 1093 00:48:45,313 --> 00:48:47,532 He said, "You're an idiot. It was your show, 1094 00:48:47,533 --> 00:48:50,883 and you should be participating in that." 1095 00:48:50,884 --> 00:48:54,757 I was leaning too far backwards to not doSNL. 1096 00:48:56,063 --> 00:49:00,502 The thing that kills most things is overthinking. 1097 00:49:10,077 --> 00:49:13,775 The show begins to take shape on Thursday. 1098 00:49:13,776 --> 00:49:18,084 Um, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is... this is set 22. 1099 00:49:18,085 --> 00:49:19,781 I'm on 23. 1100 00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:21,653 These are my backup trays. 1101 00:49:21,654 --> 00:49:23,742 -Backup trays? -Yeah. 1102 00:49:25,266 --> 00:49:27,267 Meanwhile, Lorne ventures out 1103 00:49:27,268 --> 00:49:30,314 to a standing 8:00 p.m. dinner reservation. 1104 00:49:30,315 --> 00:49:34,100 Lorne is a creature of habit, but even he has his limits. 1105 00:49:34,101 --> 00:49:36,059 So, instead of returning to Lattanzi, 1106 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:38,976 he branches out across Manhattan. 1107 00:49:43,328 --> 00:49:45,894 Welcome to the worst night of your life. 1108 00:49:45,895 --> 00:49:47,158 Exactly. 1109 00:49:48,637 --> 00:49:50,160 What are you gonna order? 1110 00:49:50,161 --> 00:49:51,900 Oh, I would have the Bolognese. 1111 00:49:51,901 --> 00:49:54,033 The same thing you've ordered for the last 50 years? 1112 00:49:54,034 --> 00:49:55,730 Yeah, that sort of thing. 1113 00:49:55,731 --> 00:49:57,645 Congratulations, by the way, on all the show stuff. 1114 00:49:57,646 --> 00:49:59,343 - It's phenomenal. - It's unbelievable. 1115 00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:01,519 How many more seasons do you think you'll do? 1116 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,260 You know, there's a certain point where you're-- 1117 00:50:03,261 --> 00:50:06,176 let's just say it-- hideously ugly. 1118 00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:09,962 The noble failure, 1119 00:50:09,963 --> 00:50:12,008 it's not appealing after you've had one. 1120 00:50:12,009 --> 00:50:13,922 AfterThe New Show, 1121 00:50:13,923 --> 00:50:18,144 Steve kind of rescued me by talking about¡Three Amigos! 1122 00:50:27,676 --> 00:50:30,765 Great! You've killed the invisible swordsman! 1123 00:50:30,766 --> 00:50:34,856 The way in which it's funny is really joyous. 1124 00:50:37,338 --> 00:50:41,907 It was thrilling, and it was what I needed at the time. 1125 00:50:41,908 --> 00:50:43,649 Just to go back to writing. 1126 00:50:46,782 --> 00:50:50,220 We were looking for directors, and we met with one, and... 1127 00:50:50,221 --> 00:50:52,222 You know, he was going over our script and saying, 1128 00:50:52,223 --> 00:50:55,399 you know, like, "The big crop then was not corn. 1129 00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:01,231 The big crop was chicle in that part of Mexico." 1130 00:51:01,232 --> 00:51:04,060 And, Steve, who was always much clearer on things than I was, 1131 00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:06,149 said, "I don't think you understand. 1132 00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:08,238 W-We're doing a big dumb movie." 1133 00:51:09,762 --> 00:51:12,416 And I thought, it's exactly what we were doing, 1134 00:51:12,417 --> 00:51:14,287 but he could ha... he had the confidence 1135 00:51:14,288 --> 00:51:16,159 to be able to articulate it, 1136 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,118 um, because we all have an aspiration 1137 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,990 to be taken seriously, to be celebrated 1138 00:51:21,991 --> 00:51:25,037 for our intelligence or our perceptiveness, 1139 00:51:25,038 --> 00:51:26,995 and there it was-- no, it... 1140 00:51:26,996 --> 00:51:29,129 uh, nothing is better than a big dumb movie. 1141 00:51:30,174 --> 00:51:31,565 Night, Lucky. 1142 00:51:31,566 --> 00:51:32,784 Night, Dusty. 1143 00:51:32,785 --> 00:51:35,309 - Good night, Ned. - Good night, Ned. 1144 00:51:37,268 --> 00:51:38,355 Good night, Ned. 1145 00:51:45,232 --> 00:51:50,758 And then, in 1985, SNL hit rock bottom. 1146 00:51:50,759 --> 00:51:54,632 NBC President Brandon Tartikoff knew who to call. 1147 00:51:57,462 --> 00:51:59,419 Cancel the show? 1148 00:51:59,420 --> 00:52:01,160 Unless I come back? 1149 00:52:01,161 --> 00:52:03,467 Well, then it's that thing of: 1150 00:52:03,468 --> 00:52:05,425 "Is he coming back because he failed?" 1151 00:52:05,426 --> 00:52:07,732 "How can he top what he did in the '70s?" 1152 00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:09,125 And then there's always the people 1153 00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:10,561 who are going to say that he... 1154 00:52:10,562 --> 00:52:14,042 Right. 1155 00:52:14,043 --> 00:52:16,262 I wasn't gonna have a lot of time. 1156 00:52:16,263 --> 00:52:18,438 I had to make a decision. 1157 00:52:18,439 --> 00:52:22,355 One friend said, "You love living in New York. 1158 00:52:22,356 --> 00:52:25,141 It was your show. You know how to do it." 1159 00:52:27,056 --> 00:52:29,928 "And it gives you a base again." 1160 00:52:31,539 --> 00:52:33,149 Oddly enough, that's when I realized 1161 00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:35,238 how important it was to me. 1162 00:52:37,066 --> 00:52:41,200 Something about it was a mating of my talent and my metabolism. 1163 00:52:41,201 --> 00:52:43,159 I was built for it. 1164 00:52:44,813 --> 00:52:46,423 - Live from... -...New York, it was 1165 00:52:46,424 --> 00:52:48,294 a press conference to introduce 1166 00:52:48,295 --> 00:52:50,818 the new cast members ofSaturday Night Live. 1167 00:52:50,819 --> 00:52:53,473 Back at the helm of the program is Lorne Michaels, 1168 00:52:53,474 --> 00:52:55,780 the original producer who left the show 1169 00:52:55,781 --> 00:52:59,000 five years ago and told the press how he felt. 1170 00:52:59,001 --> 00:53:00,786 When I left, I wanted to die. 1171 00:53:01,917 --> 00:53:04,310 Season 11 was the show's worst. 1172 00:53:04,311 --> 00:53:06,965 Instead of hiring comedians as he had in the past, 1173 00:53:06,966 --> 00:53:08,706 Lorne hired actors... 1174 00:53:08,707 --> 00:53:10,447 and Jon Lovitz. 1175 00:53:10,448 --> 00:53:13,537 Lorne's attempt at reinvention had failed. 1176 00:53:13,538 --> 00:53:16,540 The problem is that I'd never fired anybody 1177 00:53:16,541 --> 00:53:19,456 that whole fi... first five years. 1178 00:53:19,457 --> 00:53:22,415 I think I'd learned how to lead on some level, 1179 00:53:22,416 --> 00:53:25,375 but I'd never learned how to be a boss. 1180 00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:28,421 I think one of his big transitions was 1181 00:53:28,422 --> 00:53:30,902 when he started wearing suit and tie. 1182 00:53:30,903 --> 00:53:32,599 Billy, what are you doing? 1183 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,427 I'm setting the room on fire. That's what I'm doing. 1184 00:53:34,428 --> 00:53:36,386 And he said, "They sort of look at me 1185 00:53:36,387 --> 00:53:37,909 "as Mr. Michaels. 1186 00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:39,780 I accept it. I'm Mr. Michaels." 1187 00:53:39,781 --> 00:53:42,261 If you set the cast on fire, 1188 00:53:42,262 --> 00:53:44,481 they won't be able to do the show next year. 1189 00:53:44,482 --> 00:53:46,570 "That's the role I'm gonna play." 1190 00:53:46,571 --> 00:53:47,919 What are you doing? I got to wave goodbye. 1191 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,268 Don't ask any questions, Jon. 1192 00:53:49,269 --> 00:53:50,661 Just go downstairs to my limousine 1193 00:53:50,662 --> 00:53:51,923 and wait for me there. 1194 00:53:51,924 --> 00:53:54,055 - Okay. - Writers. Writers. 1195 00:53:54,056 --> 00:53:55,579 Yes, Mr. Michaels? 1196 00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:56,971 Uh, there's some candies 1197 00:53:56,972 --> 00:53:58,103 and chocolates in the dressing room. 1198 00:53:58,104 --> 00:53:59,974 Go on in there, help yourself. 1199 00:53:59,975 --> 00:54:01,411 - Oh, thanks, Mr. Michaels. - You did a great job this year. 1200 00:54:01,412 --> 00:54:03,239 You know, when you're in charge, 1201 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,241 people say, "Well, he's a really good friend of yours," 1202 00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:10,594 and I go, "That's true, uh, but I can cut his piece. 1203 00:54:10,595 --> 00:54:12,465 And what kind of friend would do that?" 1204 00:54:14,468 --> 00:54:17,383 Michaels remains unapologetic. 1205 00:54:17,384 --> 00:54:19,516 He'll fire some of the show's writers 1206 00:54:19,517 --> 00:54:21,562 and some of the cast. 1207 00:54:22,911 --> 00:54:26,000 I was back to being an underdog. 1208 00:54:26,001 --> 00:54:28,743 Which is a much more comfortable position in comedy. 1209 00:54:30,745 --> 00:54:33,704 Now I had something to prove again. 1210 00:54:33,705 --> 00:54:36,402 That it had more to do with talent than anything else, 1211 00:54:36,403 --> 00:54:38,796 as I believe it was in the '70s. 1212 00:54:40,581 --> 00:54:43,844 Why don't you eat a big bowl of fuck? 1213 00:54:46,892 --> 00:54:50,677 Well, apparently, we're using the f-word tonight, aren't we? 1214 00:54:50,678 --> 00:54:52,549 Well, that's very special. 1215 00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:54,290 It's the latest development in the world of self-defense: 1216 00:54:54,291 --> 00:54:55,595 the Stun Gun from Radco. 1217 00:54:55,596 --> 00:54:57,118 Don't put Mace in someone's face. 1218 00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,077 No need for messin' with a Smith and Wesson. 1219 00:54:59,078 --> 00:55:00,905 Why? Because Stun Gun has three audio dynamic laser frequencies 1220 00:55:00,906 --> 00:55:02,602 to meet every personal protection need. 1221 00:55:02,603 --> 00:55:04,169 Frequency one is the repellent mode. 1222 00:55:05,432 --> 00:55:07,433 I started to go back to: 1223 00:55:07,434 --> 00:55:10,349 "Well, I might as well do a show that I'd like to see." 1224 00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:11,872 I spent all last summer 1225 00:55:11,873 --> 00:55:13,961 working with the deaf! 1226 00:55:13,962 --> 00:55:17,400 It was a little bit like a sitcom to him. 1227 00:55:17,401 --> 00:55:18,879 "Dana can do that part, 1228 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,925 and Kevin Nealon will come in here." 1229 00:55:20,926 --> 00:55:25,016 You needed all these pieces, and he made those choices. 1230 00:55:25,017 --> 00:55:26,887 But we were told, 1231 00:55:26,888 --> 00:55:29,281 "You guys got to hit the ground running, 1232 00:55:29,282 --> 00:55:31,240 or they're gonna pull the plug by Christmas." 1233 00:55:35,462 --> 00:55:37,637 Who dressed you this morning, Sally? 1234 00:55:37,638 --> 00:55:40,640 It wasn't, by any chance... 1235 00:55:40,641 --> 00:55:42,163 Satan? 1236 00:55:43,862 --> 00:55:45,515 I remember watching that first episode, 1237 00:55:45,516 --> 00:55:46,864 and I remember my dad going, "I don't know 1238 00:55:46,865 --> 00:55:47,953 - any of these people." -Mm-hmm. 1239 00:55:49,955 --> 00:55:51,956 Within two or three shows, 1240 00:55:51,957 --> 00:55:54,350 the whole dynamic of the show had shifted. 1241 00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:56,743 I have here a copy of the contract. 1242 00:55:56,744 --> 00:55:58,441 The writing began to click. 1243 00:55:58,442 --> 00:56:00,965 I see that it is written in blood. 1244 00:56:00,966 --> 00:56:03,402 And it started to feel and look competent. 1245 00:56:03,403 --> 00:56:04,969 If I find any more garbage in my yard, 1246 00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:06,492 - I'm gonna... - Oh, will you shut up? 1247 00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:08,015 Shut up! Shut up! 1248 00:56:08,016 --> 00:56:09,974 Then, by the end of the season, 1249 00:56:09,975 --> 00:56:11,497 was, like, fans of everybody. 1250 00:56:11,498 --> 00:56:13,238 I think that's when people were, like, 1251 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,892 "Oh, it's just gonna keep reinventing itself." 1252 00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:16,459 Toonces, look out! 1253 00:56:21,595 --> 00:56:23,509 I get there in '88. 1254 00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:25,119 I remember having the distinct impression 1255 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,688 that I jumped on that train at a good time. 1256 00:56:28,689 --> 00:56:29,907 It was on the ascent again. 1257 00:56:29,908 --> 00:56:31,517 - Hey. - Hey, Bob. 1258 00:56:31,518 --> 00:56:33,040 Hey, penis looks great today. 1259 00:56:34,565 --> 00:56:36,174 And then, you know, I would come out, 1260 00:56:36,175 --> 00:56:37,568 Farley would come out. 1261 00:56:38,656 --> 00:56:41,397 Let me move in with you, please. 1262 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,573 When you come back home, don't make me leave. 1263 00:56:43,574 --> 00:56:46,271 For the love of God, 1264 00:56:46,272 --> 00:56:49,622 let the boy move in with you! 1265 00:56:49,623 --> 00:56:52,233 Good Lord! 1266 00:56:52,234 --> 00:56:54,148 23-year-old Chris Rock was asked 1267 00:56:54,149 --> 00:56:56,499 if taking this job means he'll be haunted 1268 00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:58,109 by the ghost of Eddie Murphy. 1269 00:56:58,110 --> 00:56:59,980 Uh, me? The ghost of Eddie Murph... 1270 00:56:59,981 --> 00:57:01,765 I think Eddie's still alive, ain't he? 1271 00:57:03,071 --> 00:57:05,159 You could call me a diversity hire. 1272 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,901 I think history has proven 1273 00:57:07,902 --> 00:57:10,556 I'm at least as funny as Rob Schneider. 1274 00:57:13,081 --> 00:57:16,040 By the early '90s, 1275 00:57:16,041 --> 00:57:18,825 it was once again at a ratings peak. 1276 00:57:18,826 --> 00:57:20,479 People were comfortable with it again. 1277 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,178 And that group was on fire. 1278 00:57:25,006 --> 00:57:27,573 I had him in an elevator one time, and I was like, 1279 00:57:27,574 --> 00:57:30,359 "Why... why me and Adam?" 1280 00:57:31,578 --> 00:57:35,276 And Lorne said to me, "Well, 1281 00:57:35,277 --> 00:57:40,586 "you guys displayed original thoughts, 1282 00:57:40,587 --> 00:57:44,808 "and whenever I see original thought, 1283 00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:47,767 I-I... I gravitate to it." 1284 00:57:47,768 --> 00:57:50,291 You know, there's a story that Lorne always talks about, 1285 00:57:50,292 --> 00:57:52,511 which is, um... he was in... 1286 00:57:52,512 --> 00:57:55,296 somewhere in Europe, and he was... 1287 00:57:55,297 --> 00:57:57,690 driving through pumpkin fields. 1288 00:57:57,691 --> 00:58:00,911 And he came across, uh, a guy... 1289 00:58:00,912 --> 00:58:02,608 And you could get out at any moment 1290 00:58:02,609 --> 00:58:05,045 and load your trunk full of pumpkins, 1291 00:58:05,046 --> 00:58:06,569 and nobody would see you 1292 00:58:06,570 --> 00:58:08,092 'cause it was all these little back roads. 1293 00:58:08,093 --> 00:58:11,225 But he came across somebody selling pumpkins 1294 00:58:11,226 --> 00:58:14,054 in the middle of these vast pumpkin fields. 1295 00:58:14,055 --> 00:58:15,491 And so Lorne was curious, 1296 00:58:15,492 --> 00:58:17,580 and so he got out and he said to the guy, 1297 00:58:17,581 --> 00:58:19,843 "Why should I buy your pumpkins? 1298 00:58:19,844 --> 00:58:21,845 I could've stolen 7,000." 1299 00:58:21,846 --> 00:58:23,629 He goes, "What am I paying for?" 1300 00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:26,240 And the guy selling pumpkins says, "You pay for my eye. 1301 00:58:26,241 --> 00:58:28,199 I pick the good pumpkins." 1302 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,115 And that is, in essence, what Lorne does. 1303 00:58:31,116 --> 00:58:32,987 He picks the good pumpkins. 1304 00:58:35,163 --> 00:58:37,948 ♪ I see a little silhouetto of a man ♪ 1305 00:58:37,949 --> 00:58:39,732 ♪ Scaramouche, Scaramouche ♪ 1306 00:58:39,733 --> 00:58:41,691 ♪ Will you do the fandango? ♪ 1307 00:58:41,692 --> 00:58:45,129 ♪ Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me ♪ 1308 00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:46,609 ♪ Galileo... ♪ 1309 00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:48,262 The movie studios are very good 1310 00:58:48,263 --> 00:58:49,916 at killing new comedy, 1311 00:58:49,917 --> 00:58:53,354 and, uh, Lorne was very good about protecting 1312 00:58:53,355 --> 00:58:56,619 where it was fresh and... and exciting. 1313 00:58:56,620 --> 00:58:58,272 I realized how casually 1314 00:58:58,273 --> 00:59:00,884 Lorne was intensely involved all the time. 1315 00:59:00,885 --> 00:59:02,668 There's a plot inWayne's World 1316 00:59:02,669 --> 00:59:05,453 where Garth is making a mechanical hand. 1317 00:59:05,454 --> 00:59:07,760 - Uh-huh. - The subtext was 1318 00:59:07,761 --> 00:59:11,372 the hand was going to kill Rob Lowe. 1319 00:59:11,373 --> 00:59:13,897 So, it was really on the bubble, "Do we cut that?" 1320 00:59:13,898 --> 00:59:16,595 You know? And I kind of got it. It was so... 1321 00:59:16,596 --> 00:59:19,380 And Lorne said, "Um, it's that kind of thing, 1322 00:59:19,381 --> 00:59:22,645 "like, you know, 20 years from now, you see it on television, 1323 00:59:22,646 --> 00:59:25,256 and you're, like, really glad it's there." 1324 00:59:25,257 --> 00:59:27,215 And he's not wrong. 1325 00:59:29,783 --> 00:59:31,131 Ex-squeeze me? 1326 00:59:31,132 --> 00:59:32,393 Baking powder? 1327 00:59:32,394 --> 00:59:33,612 Hi, Wayne. 1328 00:59:33,613 --> 00:59:35,659 Hi. 1329 00:59:37,922 --> 00:59:39,357 Hey, are you all right? 1330 00:59:39,358 --> 00:59:41,533 Wayne's World was a massive hit, 1331 00:59:41,534 --> 00:59:43,317 a big dumb movie for the ages. 1332 00:59:43,318 --> 00:59:45,145 And she's okay! 1333 00:59:45,146 --> 00:59:48,758 And one of only two posters in Lorne's office. 1334 00:59:48,759 --> 00:59:50,324 Wayne's Worldis the most important movie 1335 00:59:50,325 --> 00:59:51,543 to ever hit Hollywood. 1336 00:59:51,544 --> 00:59:52,936 Not. Schwing. 1337 00:59:52,937 --> 00:59:55,547 After the fact, I thought to myself, 1338 00:59:55,548 --> 00:59:57,767 "Okay, what is the... 1339 00:59:57,768 --> 01:00:00,640 what's the secret - of Wayne's World? - Why..." 1340 01:00:02,381 --> 01:00:06,427 My comedies, they generally are not coarse. 1341 01:00:06,428 --> 01:00:09,213 There is no film in this camera. 1342 01:00:09,214 --> 01:00:12,477 WithWayne's World, I would compare it to 1343 01:00:12,478 --> 01:00:14,261 a Snickers. 1344 01:00:14,262 --> 01:00:17,047 You know, uh, because... 1345 01:00:17,048 --> 01:00:19,049 you don't want a Snickers every day, 1346 01:00:19,050 --> 01:00:21,704 you know, but if your... if your flight is delayed 1347 01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:23,575 and you go to the machine, you could... 1348 01:00:23,576 --> 01:00:25,316 you could definitely... 1349 01:00:25,317 --> 01:00:27,884 if it's a four-hour wait, you're definitely gonna get it. 1350 01:00:27,885 --> 01:00:29,668 Ah... 1351 01:00:29,669 --> 01:00:31,801 It's milk chocolate. It's not dark chocolate. 1352 01:00:31,802 --> 01:00:33,280 It has peanuts. 1353 01:00:33,281 --> 01:00:35,631 It has caramel. 1354 01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:37,242 It has nougat. 1355 01:00:38,591 --> 01:00:40,505 Son of a... 1356 01:00:40,506 --> 01:00:43,073 And they call it a confection. 1357 01:00:43,074 --> 01:00:46,772 And so much of these kind of things are confections. 1358 01:00:46,773 --> 01:00:49,209 It may be false nutrition, 1359 01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:52,822 but it's a very American thing. 1360 01:00:52,823 --> 01:00:54,911 You know, Americans... 1361 01:00:54,912 --> 01:00:57,565 in my opinion, they invented fun. 1362 01:01:00,091 --> 01:01:02,048 Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid? 1363 01:01:03,485 --> 01:01:05,138 Why? 1364 01:01:05,139 --> 01:01:06,923 As I said, people, when they're trying to decide 1365 01:01:06,924 --> 01:01:09,665 what to go to, say, "That looks like fun." 1366 01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:11,885 And I don't think Germans say that. 1367 01:01:13,191 --> 01:01:14,800 Mel Brooks once defined comedy 1368 01:01:14,801 --> 01:01:16,497 as "polite hostility." 1369 01:01:16,498 --> 01:01:18,761 Once you lose that, once you limit yourself to saying, 1370 01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:21,285 "Well, that's not funny," or, "That can't be funny," 1371 01:01:21,286 --> 01:01:23,809 or, "You can't do jokes on that," 1372 01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:25,855 then you've limited yourself to the point 1373 01:01:25,856 --> 01:01:28,771 where you're, uh, ineffective as a comedian. 1374 01:01:28,772 --> 01:01:30,990 You must have great courage of your convictions to be able 1375 01:01:30,991 --> 01:01:33,601 to go ahead with that line of thinking and do that and not 1376 01:01:33,602 --> 01:01:35,995 - worry too much about it. - Well, if it's, if it's funny, 1377 01:01:35,996 --> 01:01:37,475 that's all that really matters. 1378 01:01:37,476 --> 01:01:39,216 That's all we're really concerned with. 1379 01:01:39,217 --> 01:01:40,304 Yeah, but how do you... how do you decide it's funny? 1380 01:01:40,305 --> 01:01:41,958 Funny, maybe, to you, 1381 01:01:41,959 --> 01:01:43,524 but how do you know it's funny to the audience? 1382 01:01:43,525 --> 01:01:45,396 Well, th-that's what a live audience tells you. 1383 01:01:50,532 --> 01:01:52,142 All right, stand by. 1384 01:01:52,143 --> 01:01:53,709 Uh, we're set, Lorne. 1385 01:01:53,710 --> 01:01:55,450 We are. Stand by, Emma. 1386 01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:01,151 I had dinner a couple weeks ago, 1387 01:02:01,152 --> 01:02:04,415 and-and someone was talking about their favorite sketches, 1388 01:02:04,416 --> 01:02:06,678 one of which was, uh, "Stunt Baby." 1389 01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,769 Shut up! Shut up! 1390 01:02:10,814 --> 01:02:12,423 Cut, cut, cut! Good, good. 1391 01:02:12,424 --> 01:02:14,425 Okay, bring in the stunt baby, okay? 1392 01:02:16,558 --> 01:02:18,124 It's just a stunt baby. 1393 01:02:20,693 --> 01:02:25,175 You could do that because no one said we couldn't. 1394 01:02:25,176 --> 01:02:27,612 What's funny? What's provocative? 1395 01:02:27,613 --> 01:02:30,571 And what is plain and simple unacceptable? 1396 01:02:30,572 --> 01:02:33,444 Lorne loves controversy. 1397 01:02:33,445 --> 01:02:35,620 I don't know if I can say some of the people 1398 01:02:35,621 --> 01:02:39,102 he floated hosting that we were like... 1399 01:02:39,103 --> 01:02:40,451 "What?" 1400 01:02:40,452 --> 01:02:42,148 "What about Michael Vick?" 1401 01:02:42,149 --> 01:02:43,410 We go, "No." 1402 01:02:43,411 --> 01:02:44,890 He goes, "Yeah, Paula was mad. 1403 01:02:44,891 --> 01:02:46,457 "She came in here and had articles 1404 01:02:46,458 --> 01:02:48,372 about what he did to the dogs." 1405 01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:52,115 It was fascinating to me with the Sinéad O'Connor thing. 1406 01:02:52,116 --> 01:02:55,031 Fight the real enemy. 1407 01:02:55,032 --> 01:02:58,382 Nobody remembers that there was a sketch after it. 1408 01:02:58,383 --> 01:03:00,906 ♪ Sweet Jimmy ♪ 1409 01:03:00,907 --> 01:03:03,517 ♪ He's the nicest pimp in the world ♪ 1410 01:03:03,518 --> 01:03:05,128 ♪ Sweet Jimmy. ♪ 1411 01:03:05,129 --> 01:03:07,130 The world condemned this girl 1412 01:03:07,131 --> 01:03:09,394 because what she was saying about the Catholic Church... 1413 01:03:10,525 --> 01:03:12,918 ...and she was right. 1414 01:03:12,919 --> 01:03:14,354 It's a time capsule. 1415 01:03:14,355 --> 01:03:16,356 Like, this is what's happening, you know? 1416 01:03:16,357 --> 01:03:18,141 We have a great show. 1417 01:03:18,142 --> 01:03:20,186 Rage Against the Machine is here. 1418 01:03:20,187 --> 01:03:22,580 That's what makes the show exciting to me, 1419 01:03:22,581 --> 01:03:24,930 that sort of tension of: "Who's gonna be on?" 1420 01:03:24,931 --> 01:03:28,020 I actually worked here. I got fired from here... 1421 01:03:28,021 --> 01:03:30,196 a few years ago, and if you don't know about that, 1422 01:03:30,197 --> 01:03:32,590 don't worry about it. 1423 01:03:32,591 --> 01:03:34,984 Please don't look that up, for real. 1424 01:03:34,985 --> 01:03:36,768 The velocity of 1425 01:03:36,769 --> 01:03:39,553 what happened with Shane is so staggering 1426 01:03:39,554 --> 01:03:42,208 because it was instant. 1427 01:03:42,209 --> 01:03:44,776 Network went into panic mode. 1428 01:03:44,777 --> 01:03:47,561 "We will be boycotted. You have to denounce this." 1429 01:03:47,562 --> 01:03:50,782 It was just the peak of whatever that... 1430 01:03:50,783 --> 01:03:53,002 - Yeah. - ...thing of zero tolerance... 1431 01:03:53,003 --> 01:03:56,266 And so, what made you decide to bring him back as a host? 1432 01:03:56,267 --> 01:03:57,876 He's the number one comedian in the country. 1433 01:03:57,877 --> 01:03:59,573 - Oh, really? - Yeah. 1434 01:03:59,574 --> 01:04:01,532 He does always want to have a fair and balanced show. 1435 01:04:01,533 --> 01:04:03,142 I remember getting in an argument with him 1436 01:04:03,143 --> 01:04:05,579 about whether he would book Nixon. 1437 01:04:05,580 --> 01:04:06,798 Jew boy! 1438 01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:08,452 He said, "Yeah, I'd book Dick." 1439 01:04:08,453 --> 01:04:09,888 You'd book Nixon?! 1440 01:04:09,889 --> 01:04:12,021 How are ya? 1441 01:04:12,022 --> 01:04:15,285 I'm concerned with the crowds that are mindlessly 1442 01:04:15,286 --> 01:04:16,982 cheering this violence. 1443 01:04:16,983 --> 01:04:19,767 The Nazi brownshirts were all over Germany. 1444 01:04:19,768 --> 01:04:23,554 Well, wh-when did we just jump to Hitler here, you know? 1445 01:04:23,555 --> 01:04:25,904 It's still the most important comedy show on television. 1446 01:04:25,905 --> 01:04:27,427 And I only know that because 1447 01:04:27,428 --> 01:04:29,561 they get so mad at us when we book Trump. 1448 01:04:32,216 --> 01:04:34,173 And I get it, and I get... and I'm glad that it... 1449 01:04:34,174 --> 01:04:35,871 that it's important to people. 1450 01:04:35,872 --> 01:04:37,524 I'm glad that it makes people feel a certain way. 1451 01:04:37,525 --> 01:04:40,266 When people care, it-it means it's still relevant 1452 01:04:40,267 --> 01:04:41,659 and it's still important. 1453 01:04:44,315 --> 01:04:46,446 Sometimes, with distance, 1454 01:04:46,447 --> 01:04:49,711 you go, "Oh, geez, I wish we hadn't done this or that." 1455 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,890 Uh, but when it comes to things like "Stunt Baby"... 1456 01:04:57,067 --> 01:04:59,242 ...it was hard laughs, 1457 01:04:59,243 --> 01:05:03,724 and hard laughs generally mean you're breaking some taboo. 1458 01:05:03,725 --> 01:05:06,423 I see you take a lot of ribbing from the other Scouts. 1459 01:05:06,424 --> 01:05:08,207 Goes with the territory, Mr. Armstrong. 1460 01:05:08,208 --> 01:05:10,210 Sticks and stones. 1461 01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:13,170 Attaboy. 1462 01:05:15,868 --> 01:05:18,087 It has been an up-and-down year 1463 01:05:18,088 --> 01:05:19,784 for the man who created Saturday Night Live. 1464 01:05:19,785 --> 01:05:22,178 The troubles of Saturday Night Live. 1465 01:05:22,179 --> 01:05:23,570 Whoops. 1466 01:05:23,571 --> 01:05:25,007 My shirt fell off. 1467 01:05:25,008 --> 01:05:26,399 It's been called "vulgar." 1468 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,314 - You like the pepper? - Yeah. 1469 01:05:28,315 --> 01:05:29,707 This year, "unfunny." 1470 01:05:29,708 --> 01:05:31,100 - "Unfunny." - The press is in 1471 01:05:31,101 --> 01:05:32,797 a feeding frenzy on this thing, right? 1472 01:05:32,798 --> 01:05:34,625 - Yes, it's true. Yeah. - What's wrong with the show? 1473 01:05:34,626 --> 01:05:38,063 I think it's not working the way, uh, it has in the past... 1474 01:05:38,064 --> 01:05:41,849 "Saturday Night Dead" is-is a headline I've read since 1976. 1475 01:05:41,850 --> 01:05:44,678 Lay off me, I'm starving! 1476 01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:47,594 The '95 season, the press were beating us up 1477 01:05:47,595 --> 01:05:50,206 because they were primarily baby boomers, 1478 01:05:50,207 --> 01:05:54,340 and we were not like the show that they grew up with. 1479 01:05:54,341 --> 01:05:56,299 Uh, you know that Saturday Night Liveshow? 1480 01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:58,431 - Uh, it got way worse. - Oh, yeah. 1481 01:05:58,432 --> 01:05:59,867 Comedy had changed. 1482 01:05:59,868 --> 01:06:02,740 It was a different sensibility. 1483 01:06:02,741 --> 01:06:04,568 Fresh-a pepper. 1484 01:06:04,569 --> 01:06:07,179 The idea that this cast 1485 01:06:07,180 --> 01:06:11,749 was playing to their kids was a big shift. 1486 01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:13,881 Lorne, Jason's right. The show's really gone downhill. 1487 01:06:13,882 --> 01:06:15,318 - I... I don't... - Chris, get out. 1488 01:06:15,319 --> 01:06:17,102 Yes, sir. 1489 01:06:17,103 --> 01:06:19,322 It's one thing when the press comes after you. 1490 01:06:19,323 --> 01:06:20,801 The tone I get from some of the articles 1491 01:06:20,802 --> 01:06:22,499 and the interview you-you've given recently 1492 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:25,589 is that it hurt possibly more that you had a perception 1493 01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:28,592 that the network brass didn't come to your defense enough. 1494 01:06:28,593 --> 01:06:29,985 - You think... Let me just... - Well, I, uh... 1495 01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:31,247 - You said... - Yeah. 1496 01:06:31,248 --> 01:06:32,335 "A very conscious decision was made 1497 01:06:32,336 --> 01:06:33,684 "to sidestep support for me. 1498 01:06:33,685 --> 01:06:35,425 To me, that's infuriating." 1499 01:06:35,426 --> 01:06:38,297 How many people tried to take that crown away from him? 1500 01:06:38,298 --> 01:06:40,343 How many people tried to topple SNL 1501 01:06:40,344 --> 01:06:41,692 and would've enjoy... loved it? 1502 01:06:41,693 --> 01:06:43,128 Executives. 1503 01:06:43,129 --> 01:06:47,654 Whatever went down in '95 had a big effect. 1504 01:06:50,615 --> 01:06:52,529 '95 is disruption. 1505 01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:56,359 And a new boss in Don Ohlmeyer. 1506 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,838 Ohlmeyer was just 1507 01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:00,319 kind of a bully, kind of thug, you know? 1508 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,626 And Lorne is just not equipped 1509 01:07:02,627 --> 01:07:04,368 to deal with people like that. 1510 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,762 The show's dead. 1511 01:07:08,763 --> 01:07:10,591 The ratings are going down. 1512 01:07:15,074 --> 01:07:18,338 If you really love the show, we got to fix this. 1513 01:07:22,995 --> 01:07:24,300 Man, isn't this zoo the best, man? 1514 01:07:24,301 --> 01:07:25,692 I know. I can't believe it was... 1515 01:07:25,693 --> 01:07:26,954 how easy it was to get into the zoo. 1516 01:07:26,955 --> 01:07:28,565 We just hopped the fence. 1517 01:07:28,566 --> 01:07:30,132 Dude, look at this polar bear cage. 1518 01:07:30,133 --> 01:07:32,264 Hey, you think I can swim the little moat both ways 1519 01:07:32,265 --> 01:07:33,700 before the bear eats me? 1520 01:07:33,701 --> 01:07:35,528 Don once bragged to me that he had cut 1521 01:07:35,529 --> 01:07:37,530 Lorne's popcorn budget. 1522 01:07:37,531 --> 01:07:38,836 That's the death of any show, 1523 01:07:38,837 --> 01:07:40,620 is when they cut the popcorn budget. 1524 01:07:42,145 --> 01:07:43,754 You also get into this mess where 1525 01:07:43,755 --> 01:07:46,104 Don doesn't think Adam Sandler's funny. 1526 01:07:46,105 --> 01:07:47,540 Whee! 1527 01:07:48,977 --> 01:07:50,413 I know he didn't like me. 1528 01:07:50,414 --> 01:07:52,197 I know he didn't like Farley. 1529 01:07:52,198 --> 01:07:55,113 Lorne was the captain always, 1530 01:07:55,114 --> 01:07:58,073 and then all of a sudden, the captain was having to hear 1531 01:07:58,074 --> 01:08:01,337 somebody else's opinion a little too much. 1532 01:08:01,338 --> 01:08:04,514 Ow! Oh, my God! 1533 01:08:04,515 --> 01:08:06,559 Sandler, fired. 1534 01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,779 Adios. 1535 01:08:10,564 --> 01:08:11,956 Farley... 1536 01:08:15,613 --> 01:08:17,527 ...fired. 1537 01:08:17,528 --> 01:08:20,617 Most of the cast and writers were fired. 1538 01:08:20,618 --> 01:08:22,401 Or politely asked to leave. 1539 01:08:24,535 --> 01:08:27,276 Those who remained were walking on eggshells. 1540 01:08:27,277 --> 01:08:29,278 Except for one comedian 1541 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:32,630 who refused to stop making fun of Ohlmeyer's best friend. 1542 01:08:34,414 --> 01:08:38,287 In his book, O.J. Simpson says that he would have 1543 01:08:38,288 --> 01:08:41,942 taken a bullet or stood in front of a train for Nicole. 1544 01:08:41,943 --> 01:08:44,293 Man, I'm gonna tell you, that is some bad luck 1545 01:08:44,294 --> 01:08:47,470 when the one guy who would've died for you kills you. 1546 01:08:47,471 --> 01:08:49,733 That's probably... 1547 01:08:49,734 --> 01:08:51,691 You got to love Norm and Lorne 1548 01:08:51,692 --> 01:08:53,563 just for continuing to do it. 1549 01:08:53,564 --> 01:08:57,044 I mean, you're... you're literally asking for it. 1550 01:08:57,045 --> 01:08:59,309 It's the perfect plan. 1551 01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:10,536 I got a phone call that Chris Farley had died. 1552 01:09:17,327 --> 01:09:19,676 My, uh... F-Farley... 1553 01:09:19,677 --> 01:09:22,462 Farley's funeral, and Lorne was there. 1554 01:09:25,465 --> 01:09:28,338 He was crying. I think that's what started us all crying. 1555 01:09:32,037 --> 01:09:34,038 I had been scheduled 1556 01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:38,260 to have dinner with Don Ohlmeyer that night, 1557 01:09:38,261 --> 01:09:40,479 and that was the night that he told me 1558 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:44,049 that he wanted Norm gone. 1559 01:09:46,051 --> 01:09:47,922 Ohlmeyer got what he wanted. 1560 01:09:49,228 --> 01:09:51,229 Everybody was fired. They... Every... 1561 01:09:51,230 --> 01:09:53,231 It was the biggest... 1562 01:09:53,232 --> 01:09:55,495 There's never been anything like it before or since. 1563 01:09:57,628 --> 01:10:01,718 When I was hired, Lorne, from that 1564 01:10:01,719 --> 01:10:04,808 very first meeting, was saying... 1565 01:10:04,809 --> 01:10:07,027 "The show has fallen many times, 1566 01:10:07,028 --> 01:10:08,812 "many times it has risen, 1567 01:10:08,813 --> 01:10:11,293 and we're gonna see if it can do that again." 1568 01:10:11,294 --> 01:10:12,859 We had nothing to lose. 1569 01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:14,426 Yeah, who wants... anybody want a hot dog? 1570 01:10:14,427 --> 01:10:16,036 Oh, you don't eat pork, do you? Yeah. 1571 01:10:16,037 --> 01:10:17,951 No, that's fine. That's fine. It's... 1572 01:10:17,952 --> 01:10:19,518 Golf's a funny game, isn't it? 1573 01:10:19,519 --> 01:10:20,693 Yeah. 1574 01:10:20,694 --> 01:10:22,434 It's hard, it's expensive, 1575 01:10:22,435 --> 01:10:23,957 and yet we keep playing it, huh? 1576 01:10:23,958 --> 01:10:25,568 What's up with that? It's kind of funny. 1577 01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:28,005 Get off the goddamn shed! 1578 01:10:28,006 --> 01:10:29,702 Get off the shed! 1579 01:10:29,703 --> 01:10:32,575 Get off the damn shed! 1580 01:10:32,576 --> 01:10:34,446 It just kept getting better and better. 1581 01:10:34,447 --> 01:10:36,666 And then we'd get new people, and they were great. 1582 01:10:36,667 --> 01:10:38,885 That's the biggest dog I've ever seen. 1583 01:10:38,886 --> 01:10:41,192 There were so many assassins. 1584 01:10:41,193 --> 01:10:43,063 Like, great, great, great. 1585 01:10:43,064 --> 01:10:46,023 Now are the actual royalty of comedy. 1586 01:10:46,024 --> 01:10:49,679 Mom Jeans fit mom just the way she likes it. 1587 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,768 You're like, "Holy shit. 1588 01:10:51,769 --> 01:10:54,553 Like, how is he finding these people?" 1589 01:10:54,554 --> 01:10:57,252 How many funny people are there in America? 1590 01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:58,949 You know, 300? 1591 01:10:58,950 --> 01:11:01,125 I'll take "the rapists" for 200. 1592 01:11:01,126 --> 01:11:03,258 That's "therapists." 1593 01:11:05,217 --> 01:11:07,740 What I find with it is, most people 1594 01:11:07,741 --> 01:11:10,221 that we bring in, they-they speak our language. 1595 01:11:10,222 --> 01:11:12,136 - Somebody call Tom Ha... Ooh! - Oh! 1596 01:11:12,137 --> 01:11:13,746 That's the whole thing 1597 01:11:13,747 --> 01:11:15,444 that makes Saturday Night Live great. 1598 01:11:15,445 --> 01:11:17,533 If it was still doing sketches 1599 01:11:17,534 --> 01:11:19,230 with the same cast from the '70s, 1600 01:11:19,231 --> 01:11:20,579 it wouldn't be around. 1601 01:11:20,580 --> 01:11:22,059 You have to evolve and change, 1602 01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:24,148 and you have to let the show grow up. 1603 01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:26,150 Gilly... 1604 01:11:26,151 --> 01:11:29,240 did you stab three pencils into Cindy's body? 1605 01:11:29,241 --> 01:11:30,807 Sorry. 1606 01:11:30,808 --> 01:11:32,330 By the time it's Kristen Wiig 1607 01:11:32,331 --> 01:11:33,940 and that whole crowd, it's like... 1608 01:11:33,941 --> 01:11:35,681 it's beyond gleeful. 1609 01:11:35,682 --> 01:11:37,944 It began to feel like, "Oh, this-this show's a fact. 1610 01:11:37,945 --> 01:11:39,250 It just is." 1611 01:11:39,251 --> 01:11:43,646 Devin? What are you doing here? 1612 01:11:43,647 --> 01:11:47,563 Lorne is the ultimate show business survivor. 1613 01:11:47,564 --> 01:11:52,742 He's still here, and 175 executives are not. 1614 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,529 New people come in every year. 1615 01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:58,748 People leave. 1616 01:11:58,749 --> 01:11:59,966 That's funny. 1617 01:11:59,967 --> 01:12:01,969 But I'm the guy who stays. 1618 01:12:06,626 --> 01:12:08,410 So... 1619 01:12:08,411 --> 01:12:10,499 you gonna retire? 1620 01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:11,761 - Here's my guess. - No. 1621 01:12:11,762 --> 01:12:13,240 - You're not. You're not. - No. No. 1622 01:12:13,241 --> 01:12:16,853 My fear is, it's so from another time... 1623 01:12:16,854 --> 01:12:18,768 - Yeah, exactly. - And I... Yeah. 1624 01:12:18,769 --> 01:12:20,726 And I'm sort of the protector of it, 1625 01:12:20,727 --> 01:12:22,685 and as long as I'm there, they won't attack. 1626 01:12:22,686 --> 01:12:24,817 - Yeah. - But the moment 1627 01:12:24,818 --> 01:12:27,211 - I'm not there, I think... - Yeah. 1628 01:12:27,212 --> 01:12:31,389 It's done in such a wasteful manner, which it's been 1629 01:12:31,390 --> 01:12:33,260 - since the beginning, you know? - Yeah. 1630 01:12:33,261 --> 01:12:34,698 And here's what they do. 1631 01:12:35,655 --> 01:12:38,222 Hey. 1632 01:12:38,223 --> 01:12:40,180 That was mine. I ordered that. 1633 01:12:44,795 --> 01:12:46,491 The show is only in production 1634 01:12:46,492 --> 01:12:47,971 for a few weeks at a time. 1635 01:12:47,972 --> 01:12:50,103 During the breaks, Lorne retreats 1636 01:12:50,104 --> 01:12:52,671 to his home in Maine to recharge. 1637 01:12:52,672 --> 01:12:55,239 Well, I think Maine is all... is-is no girls allowed. 1638 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,197 I think it's all boys. 1639 01:12:57,198 --> 01:12:58,982 That's what Fred says. 1640 01:12:58,983 --> 01:13:00,592 I don't think he likes anyone talking about Maine. 1641 01:13:00,593 --> 01:13:02,507 Fred's been there. Yes. 1642 01:13:02,508 --> 01:13:04,901 He has, like, a blueberry farm. 1643 01:13:04,902 --> 01:13:06,816 And that he just lives in a geodesic dome 1644 01:13:06,817 --> 01:13:08,600 at the center of it, 1645 01:13:08,601 --> 01:13:11,037 and he's got little blueberry paste around his mouth. 1646 01:13:11,038 --> 01:13:12,822 - He's got great blueberries. - He's got great blueberries. 1647 01:13:12,823 --> 01:13:14,606 I know about the blueberry jam. 1648 01:13:14,607 --> 01:13:18,088 Sometimes on Christmas, he'll give us, um, preserves. 1649 01:13:18,089 --> 01:13:21,047 You get three jars. 1650 01:13:21,048 --> 01:13:23,746 I-I have this fear that if Lorne ever invited me, 1651 01:13:23,747 --> 01:13:26,531 that he would hunt me. 1652 01:13:26,532 --> 01:13:28,751 That we would have a meal and then he would say, 1653 01:13:28,752 --> 01:13:32,058 "You know, Conan, the most dangerous game is man," 1654 01:13:32,059 --> 01:13:33,625 and he'd take a shotgun, 1655 01:13:33,626 --> 01:13:35,801 and he'd say, "You have 45 minutes." 1656 01:13:35,802 --> 01:13:38,238 And then I would just be running through the woods 1657 01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,110 and, um... 1658 01:13:43,767 --> 01:13:45,550 Lorne would not be on foot. 1659 01:13:45,551 --> 01:13:47,509 He'd be carried by interns, 1660 01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:49,641 uh, through the woods with a shotgun. 1661 01:13:49,642 --> 01:13:51,164 "Get him!" And then I'd... 1662 01:13:51,165 --> 01:13:52,731 at one point, I'd think I got away, 1663 01:13:52,732 --> 01:13:55,473 but I'd find the skeleton of, uh... 1664 01:13:55,474 --> 01:13:58,433 of someone who I thought was still alive. 1665 01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:00,260 You know, a cast member who went missing. 1666 01:14:00,261 --> 01:14:02,741 "Oh, my God, it's... it's a mummified Dennis Miller." 1667 01:14:02,742 --> 01:14:04,743 And he's shot. He's there. 1668 01:14:04,744 --> 01:14:06,658 Um... 1669 01:14:06,659 --> 01:14:08,530 yeah, I mean, it's possible. 1670 01:14:08,531 --> 01:14:11,533 It's possible that he hunts people at the blueberry farm. 1671 01:14:21,848 --> 01:14:23,806 Why Maine? 1672 01:14:25,591 --> 01:14:27,505 It's restorative. 1673 01:14:29,377 --> 01:14:32,990 I think New York is the stimulation capital of America. 1674 01:14:34,034 --> 01:14:35,687 Up here, there's no ambient light 1675 01:14:35,688 --> 01:14:38,778 or no ambient sound, so... 1676 01:14:41,346 --> 01:14:43,260 Did you plant the daffodils? 1677 01:14:43,261 --> 01:14:44,392 Yeah. 1678 01:14:45,393 --> 01:14:47,482 These are gray birch. 1679 01:14:47,483 --> 01:14:50,006 This is arborvitae. 1680 01:14:50,007 --> 01:14:52,705 You make a tea out of it, and it stops scurvy. 1681 01:14:55,316 --> 01:14:56,970 There's a lot of wildlife. 1682 01:14:59,277 --> 01:15:01,757 Beaver dams and moose. Yeah. 1683 01:15:01,758 --> 01:15:03,280 And bears. 1684 01:15:03,281 --> 01:15:04,455 Oh, see? 1685 01:15:04,456 --> 01:15:06,284 Babies. 1686 01:15:07,285 --> 01:15:09,374 This is a goat. 1687 01:15:11,332 --> 01:15:14,030 I wanted animals 1688 01:15:14,031 --> 01:15:16,206 but not ones that I would have to kill. 1689 01:15:23,823 --> 01:15:26,522 It makes me very happy when I'm here. 1690 01:15:30,656 --> 01:15:32,875 It sort of occurred to me that as you get older, 1691 01:15:32,876 --> 01:15:37,097 you yearn for the landscape of your childhood. 1692 01:15:42,015 --> 01:15:46,933 I think it was a happy childhood disrupted by a tragic loss. 1693 01:15:48,674 --> 01:15:52,111 His dad, Lefty Lipowitz, 1694 01:15:52,112 --> 01:15:55,506 he was a player, he was a gambler. 1695 01:15:55,507 --> 01:15:58,901 And he called Lorne and Mark his little gangsters. 1696 01:15:58,902 --> 01:16:01,686 He and his father had a... 1697 01:16:01,687 --> 01:16:04,167 an argument about something. 1698 01:16:04,168 --> 01:16:07,213 And it wasn't a big argument, 'cause he liked his father. 1699 01:16:07,214 --> 01:16:11,000 And Lorne left, and his father 1700 01:16:11,001 --> 01:16:14,307 had a heart attack, and they took him to the hospital, 1701 01:16:14,308 --> 01:16:16,528 and Lorne never got to see him again. 1702 01:16:19,139 --> 01:16:22,620 With his brother Mark, they went to the Beth Sholom 1703 01:16:22,621 --> 01:16:24,187 every day to say the... 1704 01:16:24,188 --> 01:16:26,494 you know, the mourner's prayer, the kaddish. 1705 01:16:28,018 --> 01:16:30,455 He did that for a whole year. 1706 01:16:31,761 --> 01:16:33,283 It's like, in that grief vacuum, 1707 01:16:33,284 --> 01:16:36,068 a lot of steely kind of discipline 1708 01:16:36,069 --> 01:16:39,594 and some... resolve or something was cooking in there. 1709 01:16:39,595 --> 01:16:42,074 It must be hard to lose your father at that age. 1710 01:16:42,075 --> 01:16:44,424 He was only... How old was he, 13? 1711 01:16:44,425 --> 01:16:47,036 -14. - Yeah, very difficult. 1712 01:16:50,344 --> 01:16:53,259 We met at Camp Timberlane. 1713 01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:56,088 Which was on a lake. 1714 01:16:56,089 --> 01:16:59,178 And we were doing shows on Saturday night. 1715 01:16:59,179 --> 01:17:02,922 Lorne would direct and sometimes act in the show. 1716 01:17:06,491 --> 01:17:09,886 This camp had a high diving board. 1717 01:17:11,409 --> 01:17:14,716 And Lorne would get up there and lay down on the board 1718 01:17:14,717 --> 01:17:16,369 so you couldn't see him. 1719 01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:18,589 And everybody would be looking for Lorne. 1720 01:17:18,590 --> 01:17:20,199 "Where's Lorne?" 1721 01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:21,941 And he was always up on that diving board. 1722 01:17:25,075 --> 01:17:28,339 He would just observe everything that was going on. 1723 01:17:31,168 --> 01:17:32,951 I think the older you get, 1724 01:17:32,952 --> 01:17:34,780 the more you think about your childhood. 1725 01:17:36,782 --> 01:17:38,871 You see some things a little clearer. 1726 01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,092 Probably 'cause of my father's death, 1727 01:17:43,093 --> 01:17:46,225 I never really closed any doors atSNL. 1728 01:17:46,226 --> 01:17:48,532 It's gonna be music, and it's gonna be comedy, 1729 01:17:48,533 --> 01:17:50,621 and it's gonna be politics. 1730 01:17:50,622 --> 01:17:56,061 What seemed insane in 1975 1731 01:17:56,062 --> 01:18:00,501 turned out to be a thing that stayed alive. 1732 01:18:04,592 --> 01:18:08,030 But the older you get, the more you realize it's on its way. 1733 01:18:08,031 --> 01:18:09,553 That what's on its way? 1734 01:18:09,554 --> 01:18:11,642 - Change. - Yeah. 1735 01:18:11,643 --> 01:18:14,297 - Yeah. Yeah. - That it's always on its way. 1736 01:18:14,298 --> 01:18:15,428 Yeah. 1737 01:18:21,044 --> 01:18:22,480 Still, huh? 1738 01:18:28,965 --> 01:18:30,966 Couple years ago, it was the... 1739 01:18:30,967 --> 01:18:32,794 it was, like, the most amazing thing. 1740 01:18:32,795 --> 01:18:34,839 I walked out of my building on the Upper West Side, 1741 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,102 and Lorne was there. 1742 01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:38,800 It was like something out of a movie, 1743 01:18:38,801 --> 01:18:40,149 'cause he was like, "Let's walk." 1744 01:18:40,150 --> 01:18:41,585 So, what's with the outfit, Lemon? 1745 01:18:41,586 --> 01:18:42,673 Did the people from that makeover show 1746 01:18:42,674 --> 01:18:43,718 finally respond to your letter? 1747 01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:45,067 And he was in this zone 1748 01:18:45,068 --> 01:18:46,982 where it was like he had had this epiphany 1749 01:18:46,983 --> 01:18:49,332 of what the future of everything was gonna be, 1750 01:18:49,333 --> 01:18:50,768 and he was laying it out to me, 1751 01:18:50,769 --> 01:18:52,161 and it was fascinating. He was like... 1752 01:18:52,162 --> 01:18:53,902 "This one's gonna buy that one. 1753 01:18:53,903 --> 01:18:55,947 "A lot of the mid-level agents will go away, 1754 01:18:55,948 --> 01:18:58,036 and there'll be the handful of people who can really do it." 1755 01:18:58,037 --> 01:19:00,473 I'm s... quite sure he's right, 1756 01:19:00,474 --> 01:19:02,780 but I didn't really understand it. 1757 01:19:04,609 --> 01:19:06,393 Why are you wearing a tux? 1758 01:19:08,221 --> 01:19:09,613 It's after 6:00. 1759 01:19:09,614 --> 01:19:11,397 What am I, a farmer? 1760 01:19:11,398 --> 01:19:14,618 He might be the last person actually in show business. 1761 01:19:14,619 --> 01:19:16,751 'Cause you have a lot of business school people 1762 01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:19,884 coming in, and they don't understand that, like, 1763 01:19:19,885 --> 01:19:23,496 you have to find a lunatic writer 1764 01:19:23,497 --> 01:19:25,455 and put up with them. 1765 01:19:25,456 --> 01:19:29,415 When we did Donaghy on 30 Rock and I based some of it on Lorne, 1766 01:19:29,416 --> 01:19:31,200 what I based it on was 1767 01:19:31,201 --> 01:19:34,116 that I know things that you don't think are important, 1768 01:19:34,117 --> 01:19:35,770 and when I'm not in the writers' room, 1769 01:19:35,771 --> 01:19:37,597 you're all making fun of me, but believe me, 1770 01:19:37,598 --> 01:19:40,296 the things I know are gonna help you succeed. 1771 01:19:40,297 --> 01:19:42,298 Your spending has gotten out of control. 1772 01:19:42,299 --> 01:19:44,256 Give me an example. 1773 01:19:44,257 --> 01:19:46,345 The first thing he told me was, 1774 01:19:46,346 --> 01:19:48,739 "Always tip at least 15% in a restaurant, 1775 01:19:48,740 --> 01:19:50,741 or they'll write about you in the New York Post." 1776 01:19:50,742 --> 01:19:54,092 "You can't make an entrance if you never leave." 1777 01:19:54,093 --> 01:19:56,312 "Don't get caught trying to be funny, 1778 01:19:56,313 --> 01:19:58,096 and no funny photos." 1779 01:19:58,097 --> 01:19:59,837 Now, Jenna, catch the chicken. 1780 01:19:59,838 --> 01:20:01,839 Nice try, pal. 1781 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,798 If you ask people this, we can all tell you this. 1782 01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:06,017 "Buy a bigger apartment than you think you can afford." 1783 01:20:06,018 --> 01:20:07,671 "You should look at it and think, 1784 01:20:07,672 --> 01:20:09,716 'Ooh, who lives here? It's me.'" 1785 01:20:12,677 --> 01:20:15,244 So much of that 30 Rocktime was really, I think, 1786 01:20:15,245 --> 01:20:18,029 when I would call him and say, like, "What do I do about this? 1787 01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:19,944 How do I handle the network in this?" 1788 01:20:19,945 --> 01:20:22,512 If I look at 30 Rocknow, I feel like 1789 01:20:22,513 --> 01:20:24,209 I'm talking to him every day 1790 01:20:24,210 --> 01:20:26,385 and I'm talking about him through that show. 1791 01:20:26,386 --> 01:20:27,865 The Jack-Liz relationship 1792 01:20:27,866 --> 01:20:29,911 is, in many ways, like a huge 1793 01:20:29,912 --> 01:20:33,088 thank-you note to Lorne probably. 1794 01:20:33,089 --> 01:20:36,961 The thing about producing is that it's an invisible art. 1795 01:20:36,962 --> 01:20:40,922 If you're any good at it, you leave no fingerprints. 1796 01:20:40,923 --> 01:20:43,141 Everyone is contributing what they contribute. 1797 01:20:43,142 --> 01:20:46,579 The writer writes it. The director directs it. 1798 01:20:46,580 --> 01:20:50,932 But you have to never ever take your eye off the show. 1799 01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:52,934 So it seems somewhat thankless. 1800 01:20:52,935 --> 01:20:56,460 It just takes longer to prove you were good at it. 1801 01:21:02,248 --> 01:21:04,946 I always call this place White Motown, 1802 01:21:04,947 --> 01:21:06,469 because it's like... 1803 01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:08,384 it's the same kind of principle, you know. 1804 01:21:08,385 --> 01:21:09,907 Like, it's just sort of a culture. 1805 01:21:09,908 --> 01:21:11,735 Like, you want to be a part of this group, 1806 01:21:11,736 --> 01:21:13,911 and it still discovers talent through the years 1807 01:21:13,912 --> 01:21:15,521 and all of that, and it's kind of... 1808 01:21:15,522 --> 01:21:16,958 Was Motown not white? 1809 01:21:16,959 --> 01:21:19,177 - No, Motown was not white. - Oh. See? 1810 01:21:19,178 --> 01:21:21,397 But don't tell Stevie Wonder. He-he doesn't know yet. 1811 01:21:23,356 --> 01:21:25,662 It's a surprise. 1812 01:21:25,663 --> 01:21:28,795 Welcome to SNLseason 49 dress rehearsal. 1813 01:21:28,796 --> 01:21:31,929 You guys excited? 1814 01:21:31,930 --> 01:21:34,366 Everything you're about to see has never been seen before, 1815 01:21:34,367 --> 01:21:36,499 and some of that shit'll never be seen again. 1816 01:21:37,588 --> 01:21:39,154 Are you ready to start the show? 1817 01:21:41,070 --> 01:21:43,810 I said, "Are you ready to start the show?" 1818 01:21:43,811 --> 01:21:45,638 The one and only Kenan Thompson... 1819 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,908 How's everyone doing tonight? 1820 01:21:55,736 --> 01:21:58,129 We got Jon "Taffers," the screaming guy 1821 01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:59,652 - from Bar Rescue. - Yep. 1822 01:21:59,653 --> 01:22:01,567 Dress rehearsal takes place 1823 01:22:01,568 --> 01:22:04,353 three and a half hours before broadcast. 1824 01:22:04,354 --> 01:22:07,051 Literally at the last possible minute. 1825 01:22:07,052 --> 01:22:08,792 ♪ You better take it easy ♪ 1826 01:22:08,793 --> 01:22:10,576 ♪ This place is on fire ♪ 1827 01:22:10,577 --> 01:22:13,840 ♪ Been a hard day and don't know what to do ♪ 1828 01:22:13,841 --> 01:22:16,974 ♪ Wait a minute, baby, it can happen to you ♪ 1829 01:22:16,975 --> 01:22:20,238 ♪ Well, I'm so glad we made it ♪ 1830 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:23,067 ♪ I'm so glad we made it ♪ 1831 01:22:23,068 --> 01:22:25,504 ♪ You got to gimme some lovin' ♪ 1832 01:22:25,505 --> 01:22:26,897 ♪ Gimme, gimme some lovin' ♪ 1833 01:22:26,898 --> 01:22:28,986 ♪ You got to gimme some lovin' ♪ 1834 01:22:28,987 --> 01:22:30,467 ♪ Every day ♪ 1835 01:22:31,337 --> 01:22:33,208 ♪ You! ♪ 1836 01:22:37,778 --> 01:22:40,737 ♪ Ow! Well, I feel so good... ♪ 1837 01:22:40,738 --> 01:22:42,304 The crowd was sound asleep. 1838 01:22:42,305 --> 01:22:43,001 Was it? 1839 01:22:45,221 --> 01:22:46,352 They have to awaken. 1840 01:22:48,572 --> 01:22:50,399 Lorne watches dress rehearsal 1841 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,445 from a small alcove under the bleachers. 1842 01:22:53,446 --> 01:22:56,057 He can be... I don't want to say "savage," but he can be 1843 01:22:56,058 --> 01:22:59,495 very clear about what should be happening. 1844 01:22:59,496 --> 01:23:00,844 Change the angle. 1845 01:23:00,845 --> 01:23:03,368 Andrew's over-acting, so help him. 1846 01:23:03,369 --> 01:23:05,066 It's a little over-produced. 1847 01:23:05,067 --> 01:23:07,068 I don't think you're afraid of getting fired. 1848 01:23:07,069 --> 01:23:08,808 You're-you're literally afraid of, like, 1849 01:23:08,809 --> 01:23:11,246 "Am I done in comedy right now?" 1850 01:23:11,247 --> 01:23:13,291 And Lorne's like, 1851 01:23:13,292 --> 01:23:15,119 "I'm nice under the blea..." And he was getting all, like, 1852 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,208 "I'm pretty good..." And I was like, "Lorne, 1853 01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:19,994 "being under the bleachers is sponsored by Imodium 1854 01:23:19,995 --> 01:23:23,736 because everyone runs and shits themselves." 1855 01:23:23,737 --> 01:23:25,651 A lot of times, you'll know 1856 01:23:25,652 --> 01:23:28,263 it's maybe not playing the way Lorne thought it was gonna play 1857 01:23:28,264 --> 01:23:29,655 when he does this. 1858 01:23:42,452 --> 01:23:44,105 Yeah. It feels like 1859 01:23:44,106 --> 01:23:46,760 he's blowing your soul out of your body. 1860 01:23:49,459 --> 01:23:51,373 One time, he turned to me, and he said, 1861 01:23:51,374 --> 01:23:52,897 "Can they take Emmys back?" 1862 01:23:53,898 --> 01:23:55,246 I was like, "Fuck." 1863 01:23:55,247 --> 01:23:57,074 One time, he asked wardrobe, like, uh, 1864 01:23:57,075 --> 01:23:58,597 "What's the problem with this?" 1865 01:23:58,598 --> 01:24:00,556 They go, "Well, that was the writer's choice." 1866 01:24:00,557 --> 01:24:01,818 And he looks at me and he goes, "Oh, there's writers on this?" 1867 01:24:03,864 --> 01:24:06,041 "Well, thanks, man. That feels cool." 1868 01:24:07,085 --> 01:24:08,868 And then here's the good news. 1869 01:24:08,869 --> 01:24:12,437 He's gonna have notes that are impossible to understand. 1870 01:24:12,438 --> 01:24:14,178 ...I have a little question for you. 1871 01:24:14,179 --> 01:24:15,614 If you'll come with me 1872 01:24:15,615 --> 01:24:17,790 - into the kitchen. - No, don't go, don't go. 1873 01:24:17,791 --> 01:24:19,183 I think I know what this is about. 1874 01:24:19,184 --> 01:24:21,665 If you're going to be clingy... 1875 01:24:22,492 --> 01:24:24,971 it has to be in beats. 1876 01:24:24,972 --> 01:24:27,365 Inevitably, people are 1877 01:24:27,366 --> 01:24:30,673 in love with you and disappointed with you. 1878 01:24:30,674 --> 01:24:32,675 You're a hero. You're a villain. 1879 01:24:32,676 --> 01:24:35,112 You're a genius. You're a schmuck. 1880 01:24:35,113 --> 01:24:36,548 He knows that the person 1881 01:24:36,549 --> 01:24:38,637 who's madly in love with him on Tuesday 1882 01:24:38,638 --> 01:24:41,597 may want to kill him on Saturday. 1883 01:24:41,598 --> 01:24:43,425 Because that's show business. 1884 01:24:43,426 --> 01:24:45,601 I was... I was by the lake 1885 01:24:45,602 --> 01:24:47,994 taking a whore bath. 1886 01:24:47,995 --> 01:24:51,694 That's when you squat and you give your gash a splash. 1887 01:24:51,695 --> 01:24:54,218 I think you have to be scared. 1888 01:24:54,219 --> 01:24:56,656 I know I am every week. 1889 01:24:57,657 --> 01:24:59,615 And that's the stress. 1890 01:24:59,616 --> 01:25:03,053 Yeah, their language is like a soothing, beautiful sound. I... 1891 01:25:03,054 --> 01:25:05,316 I don't know if I could do it justice. Like... 1892 01:25:10,714 --> 01:25:13,716 He's losing his voice. 1893 01:25:13,717 --> 01:25:17,198 Ryan shot Papyrus until five a.m. 1894 01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:19,243 See if we can get a doctor here? 1895 01:25:19,244 --> 01:25:21,724 Like a throat doctor, you know? 1896 01:25:21,725 --> 01:25:23,682 The "Papyrus" digital short 1897 01:25:23,683 --> 01:25:25,641 was running especially long. 1898 01:25:25,642 --> 01:25:27,338 The first cut was over eight minutes, 1899 01:25:27,339 --> 01:25:30,515 an eternity in Lorne time. 1900 01:25:30,516 --> 01:25:33,083 We'd spent a lot of time and money on it, 1901 01:25:33,084 --> 01:25:35,346 th-they were doing the best they could upstairs, 1902 01:25:35,347 --> 01:25:38,088 but they could not get it to time. 1903 01:25:39,612 --> 01:25:41,526 And then just the door started closing. 1904 01:25:43,660 --> 01:25:45,705 Cut off the applause. 1905 01:25:48,882 --> 01:25:51,623 Uh, now, Professor, if AI is left unregulated... 1906 01:25:51,624 --> 01:25:53,016 Jesus! 1907 01:25:53,017 --> 01:25:54,974 Who's doing that? Oh those are extras. 1908 01:25:54,975 --> 01:25:56,889 And everybody was breaking, 1909 01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:58,761 and everybody seemed to be enjoying everybody breaking. 1910 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:03,244 Here's something very Lorne. 1911 01:26:03,245 --> 01:26:05,420 Uh, "Don't break." 1912 01:26:05,421 --> 01:26:07,073 "Hey, dude, come here. 1913 01:26:07,074 --> 01:26:09,728 "You don't laugh while you're in the sketch. 1914 01:26:09,729 --> 01:26:11,731 You can't laugh while you're in the sketch." 1915 01:26:12,993 --> 01:26:15,038 She's talking to you. 1916 01:26:15,039 --> 01:26:17,040 Oh, I'm sorry. Me? 1917 01:26:18,782 --> 01:26:20,478 Yes, you. 1918 01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:21,958 Ma'am? 1919 01:26:21,959 --> 01:26:23,220 - Yes. - Ma'am, me? 1920 01:26:23,221 --> 01:26:25,222 - Yes, you. - I'm so sorry. 1921 01:26:25,223 --> 01:26:28,617 It never goes the way you thought it was gonna go. 1922 01:26:28,618 --> 01:26:30,793 And I think, if you've been onstage, 1923 01:26:30,794 --> 01:26:33,317 particularly if you've been onstage doing comedy, 1924 01:26:33,318 --> 01:26:35,319 you know it's all about adjusting. 1925 01:26:39,846 --> 01:26:41,673 -Well, do you have a campaign manager? 1926 01:26:41,674 --> 01:26:42,848 I have the owl. 1927 01:26:42,849 --> 01:26:44,676 - The owl? - Yeah. He eats mice. 1928 01:26:44,677 --> 01:26:47,070 - He eats mice? - Yeah. In front of everybody. 1929 01:26:47,071 --> 01:26:48,593 - Really? - Oh, God. 1930 01:26:48,594 --> 01:26:50,813 Wait. 1931 01:26:50,814 --> 01:26:53,163 Lorne breaks in sketches. 1932 01:26:53,164 --> 01:26:54,904 This is how I find out. 1933 01:26:54,905 --> 01:26:56,297 Unbelievable. My whole... I got... 1934 01:26:56,298 --> 01:26:57,950 I got to send him my therapy bill. 1935 01:26:57,951 --> 01:27:00,824 Of course he is. That's so funny. 1936 01:27:02,347 --> 01:27:03,956 Hack. 1937 01:27:15,012 --> 01:27:17,492 Does it seem like his voice is going out? 1938 01:27:17,493 --> 01:27:18,755 Yeah. 1939 01:27:19,799 --> 01:27:22,236 Cool. All right, thanks. 1940 01:27:26,545 --> 01:27:28,851 How does she feel about the gash? 1941 01:27:28,852 --> 01:27:30,288 What? 1942 01:27:31,637 --> 01:27:32,942 Maybe a little much with gash-- 1943 01:27:32,943 --> 01:27:34,770 The whores, the whores bath 1944 01:27:34,771 --> 01:27:36,424 Give your gash a splash. 1945 01:27:36,425 --> 01:27:37,425 That might've been a little too ripe. 1946 01:27:37,426 --> 01:27:38,817 Yeah, I think so. 1947 01:27:38,818 --> 01:27:40,210 Thank you. 1948 01:27:40,211 --> 01:27:41,429 Whores bath, I would, I would keep. 1949 01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:42,561 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1950 01:27:43,388 --> 01:27:44,562 What did they say? 1951 01:27:44,563 --> 01:27:45,781 They got a doctor? 1952 01:27:45,782 --> 01:27:47,565 I mean, they're... 1953 01:27:47,566 --> 01:27:50,046 They don't have someone on call, but they can find someone. 1954 01:27:50,047 --> 01:27:52,310 We always had a doctor. 1955 01:27:57,184 --> 01:27:59,708 I mean, it really is chaos kind of every week. 1956 01:27:59,709 --> 01:28:01,710 Okay, is there any way you could make an exception, 1957 01:28:01,711 --> 01:28:06,018 or that's... hard and fast rule? 1958 01:28:06,019 --> 01:28:08,238 Sometimes when things are just going well 1959 01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:11,589 and everything's written and it's all finished, 1960 01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:14,940 it feels spooky. 1961 01:28:14,941 --> 01:28:17,378 Lorne is known for keeping his cool, 1962 01:28:17,379 --> 01:28:20,685 though there are signs when he's losing control. 1963 01:28:20,686 --> 01:28:22,818 He picks up ice, and he throws it... 1964 01:28:24,603 --> 01:28:26,300 ...into a cooler. 1965 01:28:26,301 --> 01:28:29,304 It's not, like, at someone. 1966 01:28:30,740 --> 01:28:32,349 Jesus. 1967 01:28:32,350 --> 01:28:33,959 He will get angry at a shot that was missed 1968 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,396 or this or that. He... 1969 01:28:35,397 --> 01:28:36,962 You know, that's how his care is shown. 1970 01:28:36,963 --> 01:28:38,486 He always talks about, like, 1971 01:28:38,487 --> 01:28:40,096 how parents aren't allowed to, like, 1972 01:28:40,097 --> 01:28:42,011 yell in front of their kids because... 1973 01:28:42,012 --> 01:28:44,753 the scary part of, like, a kid seeing your parent out of... 1974 01:28:44,754 --> 01:28:46,320 their parent out of control. 1975 01:28:54,285 --> 01:28:56,112 Seeing him, like, focused, 1976 01:28:56,113 --> 01:28:58,333 - but never, like... - Yeah. 1977 01:28:59,725 --> 01:29:01,117 Maybe he has a little room 1978 01:29:01,118 --> 01:29:02,727 somewhere in this building 1979 01:29:02,728 --> 01:29:04,294 where he goes and, like, has little panics. 1980 01:29:04,295 --> 01:29:08,560 My empire is crumbling! 1981 01:29:10,257 --> 01:29:13,129 He probably has worries, but you don't see it. 1982 01:29:13,130 --> 01:29:15,436 All right, everyone back in. 1983 01:29:15,437 --> 01:29:18,569 You can't let anyone see you limping. 1984 01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:20,397 You're Lorne Michaels. 1985 01:29:20,398 --> 01:29:22,921 Thank you guys so much. 1986 01:29:22,922 --> 01:29:25,837 Lorne and the best crew in the world... 1987 01:29:25,838 --> 01:29:27,012 We found somebody. 1988 01:29:27,013 --> 01:29:28,274 Good. 1989 01:29:28,275 --> 01:29:29,667 So we'll have him on standby. 1990 01:29:29,668 --> 01:29:31,321 Yeah. 1991 01:29:33,193 --> 01:29:35,064 As I've said endlessly, uh, 1992 01:29:35,065 --> 01:29:36,587 we-we don't go on because it's ready. 1993 01:29:36,588 --> 01:29:38,676 We go on because it's 11:30. 1994 01:29:38,677 --> 01:29:42,593 And that tends to be very clarifying. 1995 01:29:42,594 --> 01:29:44,813 I mean, that's definitely a thing 1996 01:29:44,814 --> 01:29:48,860 afterSNL that was so helpful was, like, how to fix things. 1997 01:29:48,861 --> 01:29:51,123 A sketch wasn't working at dress, having the confidence 1998 01:29:51,124 --> 01:29:52,821 to be like, "We'll make this work." -Yep. 1999 01:29:52,822 --> 01:29:54,518 - You know, like... -Right. 2000 01:29:54,519 --> 01:29:56,128 What's the thing that kind of holds you back a lot 2001 01:29:56,129 --> 01:29:58,435 is being unsure of yourself and failing. 2002 01:29:58,436 --> 01:30:01,482 You know, Lorne kind of takes on that... that attitude. 2003 01:30:01,483 --> 01:30:03,397 You kind of learn Lorne's attitude, which is 2004 01:30:03,398 --> 01:30:05,442 kind of like what we're talking about, where it is, like, 2005 01:30:05,443 --> 01:30:07,052 "We're gonna make this work. It's gonna be fine." 2006 01:30:07,053 --> 01:30:08,837 - ANDY and FRED: Yeah. - "Don't bore me with, 2007 01:30:08,838 --> 01:30:12,014 like, what's essentially your anxiety." 2008 01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:17,759 Dress rehearsal runs long by design, 2009 01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,805 and sketches that don't play get cut. 2010 01:30:20,806 --> 01:30:23,286 Lorne must trim 30 minutes from the show 2011 01:30:23,287 --> 01:30:25,158 and decide on a final order. 2012 01:30:26,377 --> 01:30:28,247 It's, like, the meeting. 2013 01:30:28,248 --> 01:30:31,948 They go into their secret lair, and then the show happens. 2014 01:30:36,648 --> 01:30:38,736 This group of producers 2015 01:30:38,737 --> 01:30:41,217 has now been at the show for kind of a long time, 2016 01:30:41,218 --> 01:30:43,349 so there is a lot of, um, 2017 01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:44,613 nonverbal stuff. 2018 01:30:48,486 --> 01:30:51,314 The way that he might 2019 01:30:51,315 --> 01:30:53,925 put a card on the board 2020 01:30:53,926 --> 01:30:56,232 conveys a lot of meaning. 2021 01:31:19,604 --> 01:31:21,257 Cool. 2022 01:31:50,113 --> 01:31:51,896 Thank you all for being here. 2023 01:31:53,420 --> 01:31:55,160 We have work to do. 2024 01:31:55,161 --> 01:31:56,553 Um... 2025 01:31:56,554 --> 01:31:58,207 We work for Lorne Michaels. 2026 01:31:58,208 --> 01:32:00,470 Nobody feels like they work for NBC. It's like... 2027 01:32:00,471 --> 01:32:02,733 we get notes from him. 2028 01:32:02,734 --> 01:32:04,474 That was a rough dress. 2029 01:32:04,475 --> 01:32:06,650 I don't know how many of you noticed. 2030 01:32:06,651 --> 01:32:08,434 I was there, and I saw it. 2031 01:32:08,435 --> 01:32:12,395 Uh, that audience had been sleeping on pavement. 2032 01:32:12,396 --> 01:32:15,964 That will not be the case of this audience. 2033 01:32:15,965 --> 01:32:17,792 You're gonna have to do something to wake them up. 2034 01:32:17,793 --> 01:32:22,013 Uh, "Church," it's really funny. 2035 01:32:22,014 --> 01:32:24,494 And it looked like a family. It really did. 2036 01:32:24,495 --> 01:32:26,278 Yeah. 2037 01:32:28,673 --> 01:32:32,284 It is like a parent thing, where I remember all the times 2038 01:32:32,285 --> 01:32:34,069 he said something nice. 2039 01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:35,723 You, like, live on it for weeks. 2040 01:32:35,724 --> 01:32:37,289 -Oh, my God, yeah. - Like... 2041 01:32:37,290 --> 01:32:38,900 I had a good relationship with my parents, 2042 01:32:38,901 --> 01:32:40,466 so I didn't really have that. 2043 01:32:40,467 --> 01:32:42,904 Oh, man. Shit. 2044 01:32:42,905 --> 01:32:44,297 Wow. 2045 01:32:45,603 --> 01:32:47,909 For a powerful, powerful person, 2046 01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:50,172 he doesn't really throw it around much. 2047 01:32:50,173 --> 01:32:53,915 Now, some people think he does, but when you think about it, 2048 01:32:53,916 --> 01:32:56,179 where does Lorne Michaels exert power? 2049 01:32:57,180 --> 01:32:58,920 He protectsSNL. 2050 01:33:00,749 --> 01:33:03,751 We're in this building, Rockefeller Plaza, 2051 01:33:03,752 --> 01:33:07,189 which is 65 floors of cubicles and people on phones, 2052 01:33:07,190 --> 01:33:08,930 and we have this floor 2053 01:33:08,931 --> 01:33:10,627 in which we get paid-- 2054 01:33:10,628 --> 01:33:14,326 sometimes a lot of money-- to be silly. 2055 01:33:14,327 --> 01:33:17,547 My role as producer was to create 2056 01:33:17,548 --> 01:33:20,594 this context in which people could play. 2057 01:33:20,595 --> 01:33:23,684 You know, people tell stories about waiting, 2058 01:33:23,685 --> 01:33:26,295 and I go, "I know," and-and, honestly, 2059 01:33:26,296 --> 01:33:28,645 it's not about power or rudeness. 2060 01:33:28,646 --> 01:33:32,257 It's just, I'm always on whatever the biggest problem is. 2061 01:33:32,258 --> 01:33:37,088 If somebody's in here breaking down, I don't go, 2062 01:33:37,089 --> 01:33:40,526 "Well, listen, I got to get on with my day." 2063 01:33:40,527 --> 01:33:43,965 I try and spend as much time with anybody who... 2064 01:33:43,966 --> 01:33:46,663 I sense is going through something. 2065 01:33:46,664 --> 01:33:48,404 A lot of people go from 2066 01:33:48,405 --> 01:33:49,840 maybe being onstage a couple times 2067 01:33:49,841 --> 01:33:51,494 to being incredibly famous. 2068 01:33:51,495 --> 01:33:54,715 And for me, he's someone that I've talked to 2069 01:33:54,716 --> 01:33:57,239 about all these different stages, 2070 01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:01,112 and he's very much been there for me. 2071 01:34:01,113 --> 01:34:03,288 My only legitimacy 2072 01:34:03,289 --> 01:34:05,509 was that Lorne had chosen me. 2073 01:34:06,641 --> 01:34:08,772 Conan was a writer, man. 2074 01:34:08,773 --> 01:34:10,513 "Hey, that guy should replace Letterman." 2075 01:34:10,514 --> 01:34:12,733 It's like, "Whoa. Okay." 2076 01:34:12,734 --> 01:34:14,343 And he was right. 2077 01:34:14,344 --> 01:34:16,040 You wouldn't be here talking to me 2078 01:34:16,041 --> 01:34:19,088 if Lorne hadn't made that call and stuck with me, so... 2079 01:34:20,698 --> 01:34:22,917 Glad that worked out. 2080 01:34:22,918 --> 01:34:27,791 He gave me... he just helped me so much. 2081 01:34:27,792 --> 01:34:29,880 Just asked him for all this advice. 2082 01:34:29,881 --> 01:34:31,577 Getting older, dating, 2083 01:34:31,578 --> 01:34:34,189 getting married and having kids. 2084 01:34:34,190 --> 01:34:37,148 Becoming a parent while I was on the show, I think, 2085 01:34:37,149 --> 01:34:39,673 was also really meaningful for him. 2086 01:34:39,674 --> 01:34:42,066 Like watching his kids grow up. 2087 01:34:42,067 --> 01:34:45,287 Like a part of the family. 2088 01:34:45,288 --> 01:34:47,463 The thing I would tell any new writer 2089 01:34:47,464 --> 01:34:49,683 or cast member is that Lorne is protecting you 2090 01:34:49,684 --> 01:34:52,598 in ways you have no idea about. 2091 01:34:53,775 --> 01:34:55,951 He is very loyal in that way. 2092 01:34:57,604 --> 01:35:01,346 I was twice in drug rehabs, and the second time, 2093 01:35:01,347 --> 01:35:03,740 he called me, and, um, 2094 01:35:03,741 --> 01:35:07,091 he could tell that I just was, like... 2095 01:35:07,092 --> 01:35:10,312 you know, sitting in my room in rehab, and he went, 2096 01:35:10,313 --> 01:35:12,967 "By the way, I'll stay on the phone as long as you want." 2097 01:35:12,968 --> 01:35:14,490 And I went, "Okay." 2098 01:35:14,491 --> 01:35:16,274 And he goes, "And we can talk about whatever." 2099 01:35:16,275 --> 01:35:17,667 And I said, "Let's just talk about 2100 01:35:17,668 --> 01:35:19,103 anything other than this." 2101 01:35:19,104 --> 01:35:21,584 And then he talked to me about how, 2102 01:35:21,585 --> 01:35:25,022 um, Peacock had messed up by not being on Samsung phones. 2103 01:35:27,852 --> 01:35:30,201 "Update." 2104 01:35:30,202 --> 01:35:31,551 Don't worry about it. 2105 01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:34,336 Marcello, can you get in earlier? 2106 01:35:34,337 --> 01:35:35,990 -Yep. -Okay. 2107 01:35:35,991 --> 01:35:38,079 Emma, your stuff is playing really well in that. 2108 01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:39,471 - Thank you, Lorne. -You're welcome. 2109 01:35:39,472 --> 01:35:41,039 You're welcome. 2110 01:35:42,084 --> 01:35:44,650 Um... 2111 01:35:44,651 --> 01:35:46,043 All right. 2112 01:35:46,044 --> 01:35:48,176 That's sort of our show for tonight. 2113 01:35:48,177 --> 01:35:51,135 So, you-you know what to do out there, 2114 01:35:51,136 --> 01:35:55,052 and, uh, if you could do it tonight, that would be great 2115 01:35:55,053 --> 01:35:57,098 because... 2116 01:35:57,099 --> 01:36:00,449 we won't be seeing each other for a month, 2117 01:36:00,450 --> 01:36:02,668 which, in many ways, could be a good thing. 2118 01:36:02,669 --> 01:36:04,540 Uh... 2119 01:36:04,541 --> 01:36:07,630 so there'll be lots of time to... to reflect on this show. 2120 01:36:08,806 --> 01:36:10,546 And people will bring it up. 2121 01:36:10,547 --> 01:36:11,895 There's no... no way they won't 2122 01:36:11,896 --> 01:36:13,897 'cause of all the things that are in it. 2123 01:36:13,898 --> 01:36:16,813 So y-you really have to sort of search... 2124 01:36:16,814 --> 01:36:19,034 really in terms of why you're here. 2125 01:36:21,558 --> 01:36:24,342 You're the best at it. 2126 01:36:24,343 --> 01:36:27,258 I don't say that often, because it's mostly not true. 2127 01:36:27,259 --> 01:36:29,304 But... 2128 01:36:29,305 --> 01:36:31,045 it will be tonight. 2129 01:36:31,046 --> 01:36:32,611 I'll see you out there. 2130 01:36:37,226 --> 01:36:41,708 I think one of Lorne's superpowers is that... 2131 01:36:43,449 --> 01:36:45,233 ...we all want to make him happy. 2132 01:36:49,499 --> 01:36:51,501 If you plant daffodils... 2133 01:36:52,850 --> 01:36:55,069 ...first of all, you have to go through 2134 01:36:55,070 --> 01:36:57,550 the thousands of daffodils there are... 2135 01:37:00,858 --> 01:37:03,905 ...and find what you want to watch. 2136 01:37:07,822 --> 01:37:13,392 And then you go, "I wonder what 10,000 daffodils would do." 2137 01:37:16,134 --> 01:37:19,093 Watching people come into their own, 2138 01:37:19,094 --> 01:37:22,139 turning into what they're gonna be, 2139 01:37:22,140 --> 01:37:24,142 that moment is huge. 2140 01:37:29,191 --> 01:37:31,976 A garden is like a show that doesn't talk back to you. 2141 01:37:34,022 --> 01:37:36,763 And shows up on time every year. 2142 01:37:39,244 --> 01:37:41,811 When you're in charge, the thing about it is 2143 01:37:41,812 --> 01:37:44,379 to keep it alive and keep it going. 2144 01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:46,555 Uh, if you still think it's relevant. 2145 01:37:46,556 --> 01:37:48,339 But who has time to think about that? 2146 01:37:53,128 --> 01:37:55,042 All right, everyone, are we ready to go? 2147 01:37:55,043 --> 01:37:57,784 You can follow us on in. Please keep to your left. 2148 01:37:59,699 --> 01:38:02,527 Who is Lorne Michaels? 2149 01:38:02,528 --> 01:38:06,009 The boy from Canada who harnessed comedy? 2150 01:38:06,010 --> 01:38:09,143 The man who conquered television? 2151 01:38:09,144 --> 01:38:12,102 The mogul who became the father? 2152 01:38:12,103 --> 01:38:13,713 There's lots of... 2153 01:38:15,019 --> 01:38:18,326 ...people trying to find Rosebud, I guess. 2154 01:38:18,327 --> 01:38:19,676 Rosebud. 2155 01:38:21,156 --> 01:38:23,287 I just think... 2156 01:38:23,288 --> 01:38:25,899 we're constantly surprised by who we are. 2157 01:38:25,900 --> 01:38:28,250 Live from New York, it's Saturday Night. 2158 01:38:31,209 --> 01:38:34,820 My number one thing is: All of life is reinvention. 2159 01:38:38,129 --> 01:38:42,177 So, to be understood-- not gonna happen. 2160 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,921 So, for the record, what is your Rosebud? 2161 01:38:49,445 --> 01:38:51,533 I-I-I think probably the fish. 2162 01:38:56,887 --> 01:38:58,714 Do they have names? 2163 01:38:58,715 --> 01:38:59,977 No. 2164 01:39:03,981 --> 01:39:05,678 My dogs have names. 2165 01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,421 Oh, my God. You have dogs. 2166 01:39:15,340 --> 01:39:18,255 We were walking in Beverly Hills one night. 2167 01:39:18,256 --> 01:39:19,691 It's dark now. 2168 01:39:19,692 --> 01:39:22,520 And streetlight is shining down on him. 2169 01:39:22,521 --> 01:39:24,870 And he has his baseball cap, and I'm like... and I thought, 2170 01:39:24,871 --> 01:39:26,960 "Wow, Lorne was a little kid once. 2171 01:39:26,961 --> 01:39:28,613 That's crazy." 2172 01:39:28,614 --> 01:39:30,225 Like, what a life. 2173 01:39:33,141 --> 01:39:35,055 And I-I'd be embarrassed to say this in front of him, 2174 01:39:35,056 --> 01:39:37,187 but I thought to myself, 2175 01:39:37,188 --> 01:39:39,842 "Oh, man, Lorne's gonna die one day, 2176 01:39:39,843 --> 01:39:41,714 and I'm so sad." 2177 01:39:44,848 --> 01:39:47,719 I like hanging with this guy so much. 2178 01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:49,853 I'm just staring at him. 2179 01:39:51,724 --> 01:39:54,030 And then he went, 2180 01:39:54,031 --> 01:39:57,033 "That's the bathroom where George Michael got arrested." 2181 01:40:03,432 --> 01:40:05,216 ♪ Big boss man ♪ 2182 01:40:07,044 --> 01:40:09,089 ♪ Won't you hear me when I call? ♪ 2183 01:40:09,090 --> 01:40:12,309 ♪ Big boss man, big boss man ♪ 2184 01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:14,356 ♪ Yeah, big boss man ♪ 2185 01:40:16,271 --> 01:40:18,315 ♪ Won't you hear me when I call? ♪ 2186 01:40:18,316 --> 01:40:21,927 ♪ Big boss man, big boss man ♪ 2187 01:40:21,928 --> 01:40:25,322 ♪ Well, you ain't so big ♪ 2188 01:40:25,323 --> 01:40:27,411 ♪ You just tall and that's all ♪ 2189 01:40:27,412 --> 01:40:31,154 ♪ Big boss man, big boss man ♪ 2190 01:40:31,155 --> 01:40:33,852 ♪ Well, you got me workin', boss man ♪ 2191 01:40:33,853 --> 01:40:36,290 ♪ Workin' around the farm ♪ 2192 01:40:36,291 --> 01:40:38,161 ♪ I want a little drink of water ♪ 2193 01:40:38,162 --> 01:40:40,033 ♪ But you won't give me some ♪ 2194 01:40:40,034 --> 01:40:41,687 ♪ Big boss man ♪ 2195 01:40:43,733 --> 01:40:45,647 ♪ Won't you hear me when I call? ♪ 2196 01:40:45,648 --> 01:40:49,216 ♪ Big boss man, big boss man ♪ 2197 01:40:49,217 --> 01:40:52,219 ♪ Well, you ain't so big ♪ 2198 01:40:52,220 --> 01:40:54,743 ♪ You just tall and that's all ♪ 2199 01:40:54,744 --> 01:40:58,442 ♪ Big boss man, big boss man ♪ 2200 01:41:16,374 --> 01:41:19,246 ♪ No, you ain't so big ♪ 2201 01:41:19,247 --> 01:41:21,248 ♪ You just tall and that's all ♪ 2202 01:41:21,249 --> 01:41:23,555 ♪ Big boss man.♪ 2203 01:41:24,991 --> 01:41:27,081 - Are we done? -We're done.