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This is going to sound terrible.

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<i>But I am relevant.</i>

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I am.

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it just, it's -- and I get --

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look, I know that every headline

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starts with the word

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"disgraced," or "disgraceful,"

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or some version of that word

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"disgrace."

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Look, the story is so

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polarizing, and it's just --

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you're never -- it will always

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And I know that.

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And so I don't -- by knowing it,

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I don't expect it to change.

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I don't want it to change.

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I'm not trying to will it

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to change.

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It's complicated.

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Welcome to the show, Lance.

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Thanks a lot.

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Congratulations.

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The event completed less than a

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week ago, right?

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On Sunday is the final ride

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right back into the heart of

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Paris?

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Is that what it is?

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That's right.

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So, what has your life been

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like since then?

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Just nuts I guess, huh?

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Just nuts.

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Just basically nuts.

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The Tour De France has fallen

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on hard times for some reason.

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It's gotten a bad reputation

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because of drug taking,

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enhancement drug, performance

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drugs, blood doping, all of that

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kind of stuff.

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And yet, you come in, a man

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literally, clearly at death's

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door, and you dominate the

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It's just an amazing thing.

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And the press over there, those

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idiots.

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[ Laughter ]

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No, but I'm serious.

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They wouldn't leave you alone,

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would they?

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They suggested that, "Well, you

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about his disorder that actually

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makes him a better bicycler."

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Well, that's just crap, isn't

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it?

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chemotherapy.

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[ Cheers and applause ]

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You and your wife are

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expecting a baby?

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How soon will that happen?

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End of October.

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End of October, a baby.

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You know yet?

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A boy or girl, you know?

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That's a great story, as well.

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And here, you know, here in

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New York we have the --

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1999 surprised everybody.

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<i>Nobody -- nobody expected that,</i>

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everything.

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Yeah, zero to 60 real fast.

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Back here in France, there

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are still some who claim that

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Lance Armstrong's '99

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Tour De France victory was due

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'98 champion, weren't here last

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high level of respect between

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"rivals," I didn't like them.

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not to like them.

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like...shaking hands,

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being nice to each other.

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incredible robotic figures,

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that had fallen off a production

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talent was one of the greatest

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inferiority complex developed.

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of the rest of his career.

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man, Lance Armstrong's whipping

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closest anyone's going to come

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you've been on this tour,

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coast to coast now.

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"It's Not About the Bike."

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last night, and it's, you know,

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they'd sold out of the thing.

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How does it feel to be a best

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selling author?

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everything in that book was

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true, except for when I say or

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address doping, you know, and

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take a position against it and

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take a position against the

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people who are accusing me of

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inspirational that book would

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What it meant for so many people

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that got sick with cancer, that

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inspired to fight.

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you know, getting more famous

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was a lot riding on that.

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fifth rider in the 98-year

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history of the Tour De France

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to win this race three

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to people everywhere, we chose

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fascinating person.

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"The obligation of the cure,"

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Companies that were growing.

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It is a money machine story.

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Lance Armstrong Incorporated

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now.

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sits over here completely

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separate, that is doing what it

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can to fight cancer.

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happen, right?

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I was like, "I can never be

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honest about this."

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and profitability and goodness

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will come crashing down.

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2001, we have 9/11.

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Lance Armstrong's won three

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Goes and wins another one.

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All the praise that we put

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upon him was all well deserved.

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I was never a teammate with

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Lance, but my friends were.

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And I asked them, how much of

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this is mythology, and how much

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is it real?

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"No, he's a bad ass."

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Armstrong's off the road, as

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He's into the field, but what a

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great bike rider.

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I've never seen this before.

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Armstrong went across the field,

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there.

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He's back on the road at 4

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kilometers to go.

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I was in the press room when

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that happened, and even

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reporters who absolutely could

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not stand the man gasped.

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Like...[ Gasps ]

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Did that just happen?

301
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I've watched that footage a

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thousand times.

303
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I still can't believe that he

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didn't fall down.

305
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Right here.

306
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Yeah!

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It's just amazing to see

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somebody who's an athlete of

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that caliber, who's been through

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what he's been, to come back and

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conquer the world of cycling.

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[ Applause ]

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There was a point in Lance's

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life where he could pick the

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phone up and call anybody he

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wanted.

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So there was all this

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discussion, right?

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Is he going to run for Governor?

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Is he going to run for Senator?

321
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He just became, you know,

322
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a global figure.

323
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And for somebody like me, this

324
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was like, you know, the

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sculpture of David.

326
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You know, it was sort of

327
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perfectly carved already.

328
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He was a great leader at that

329
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foundation.

330
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You know, he did there what he

331
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did on the bike.

332
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I mean, he was just driven,

333
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passionate, demanded excellence.

334
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You know, was deeply involved.

335
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I think there is this segment

336
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of the population that thinks,

337
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you know, you were doping in

338
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cycling, and you were being

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mean to people.

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And somebody said, "Dude, you

341
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better start doing something

342
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good," and so then you created

343
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the organization to cover that

344
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up.

345
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[ Camera shutters clicking ]

346
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I never was paid by Livestrong,

347
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and I never was going to be paid

348
00:11:01,137 --> 00:11:04,039
by Livestrong.

349
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Lance was adamant that his

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corporate partners support the

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organization in a very

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significant way.

353
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And he, in several

354
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circumstances, bypassed what

355
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could have been personal income

356
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and said, "No, I want that

357
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directed to the organization."

358
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And Nike was the biggest example

359
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of that.

360
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When Nike came to me with

361
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this idea of making 5 million

362
00:11:31,167 --> 00:11:32,734
yellow wrist bands, selling them

363
00:11:32,802 --> 00:11:35,771
for a dollar a piece, helping us

364
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raise 5 million bucks at

365
00:11:37,407 --> 00:11:40,075
Livestrong...

366
00:11:40,143 --> 00:11:41,977
Um...[ Chuckles ]

367
00:11:42,045 --> 00:11:44,313
I was like, "Wait, what?

368
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That will never work."

369
00:11:45,848 --> 00:11:46,748
[ Cheers and applause ]

370
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Listen up, everybody.

371
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America is wrapping its

372
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wrists in yellow.

373
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The yellow wristbands showed

374
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that people wanted to be a part

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of something bigger.

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Riders in the Tour wore them.

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The Olympics in Athens were a

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month later, and Nike gave them

379
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out to all their athletes at the

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Olympics.

381
00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,367
You had a presidential campaign

382
00:12:05,435 --> 00:12:06,601
later that year where John Kerry

383
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wore it every day.

384
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We sold, you know, 20 million

385
00:12:10,673 --> 00:12:13,041
the first four or five months,

386
00:12:13,109 --> 00:12:14,009
and I think there was over

387
00:12:14,077 --> 00:12:15,877
80 million sold, you know, over

388
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the period of time that we were

389
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selling them.

390
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It was a way for people not only

391
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to relate to, you know, one of

392
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the most tragic diseases that

393
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humanity has seen, but also be

394
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part of the story.

395
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It changed the foundation

396
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forever because it brought

397
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tremendous resources, tremendous

398
00:12:37,467 --> 00:12:38,700
attention, international

399
00:12:38,768 --> 00:12:41,169
attention, and with that, just

400
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unlimited opportunity for new

401
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programing and the ability

402
00:12:44,307 --> 00:12:47,309
to impact more lives.

403
00:12:47,410 --> 00:12:48,577
Before the Lance Armstrong

404
00:12:48,644 --> 00:12:49,644
Foundation, what it was like to

405
00:12:49,712 --> 00:12:50,812
have cancer was totally

406
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different.

407
00:12:51,714 --> 00:12:56,151
It was much more private and

408
00:12:56,219 --> 00:12:58,754
much more isolated.

409
00:12:58,821 --> 00:13:00,255
Lance removed the stigma of

410
00:13:00,323 --> 00:13:03,325
being a young adult with cancer.

411
00:13:03,426 --> 00:13:04,226
It wasn't something to be

412
00:13:04,293 --> 00:13:06,228
ashamed of or embarrassed about.

413
00:13:06,295 --> 00:13:07,429
It almost put you in like the

414
00:13:07,497 --> 00:13:11,366
cool kids club of, "Yeah, I

415
00:13:11,434 --> 00:13:13,035
have cancer, watch out.

416
00:13:13,102 --> 00:13:16,204
I'm tough, I'm a survivor."

417
00:13:16,272 --> 00:13:17,572
Young adults with cancer.

418
00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:18,774
Those issues are totally

419
00:13:18,841 --> 00:13:20,442
different than little kids with

420
00:13:20,510 --> 00:13:22,210
cancer or old people with

421
00:13:22,278 --> 00:13:23,412
cancer.

422
00:13:23,479 --> 00:13:25,047
There wasn't a movement to bring

423
00:13:25,114 --> 00:13:27,249
it all together.

424
00:13:27,316 --> 00:13:29,418
We wanted to fix all that.

425
00:13:33,589 --> 00:13:34,756
How do we make a difference?

426
00:13:34,824 --> 00:13:35,757
How do we demand change?

427
00:13:35,825 --> 00:13:37,259
How do we ask leadership --

428
00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,061
I spent probably the better

429
00:13:39,128 --> 00:13:40,429
part of a year going around

430
00:13:40,496 --> 00:13:41,596
to his cancer events, to see for

431
00:13:41,664 --> 00:13:45,067
myself what was going on there.

432
00:13:47,537 --> 00:13:49,771
One of his stops was at a

433
00:13:49,839 --> 00:13:53,608
children's hospital to see young

434
00:13:53,676 --> 00:13:55,710
cancer patients.

435
00:13:55,778 --> 00:13:58,980
And he would not allow me to go

436
00:13:59,048 --> 00:14:00,482
in the rooms with him.

437
00:14:00,550 --> 00:14:02,117
He was like, "No, this is not a

438
00:14:02,185 --> 00:14:02,784
media event.

439
00:14:02,852 --> 00:14:05,287
I'm doing this for these kids."

440
00:14:05,354 --> 00:14:06,888
Alright, if you want to be

441
00:14:06,956 --> 00:14:08,824
totally cynical and tell me that

442
00:14:08,891 --> 00:14:10,092
was for show, but I don't think

443
00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:12,794
so.

444
00:14:12,862 --> 00:14:14,162
I don't think so.

445
00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:15,097
I'm not saying that makes

446
00:14:15,164 --> 00:14:17,732
anything else that he did okay.

447
00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,335
But I'm not willing to say that

448
00:14:20,403 --> 00:14:22,838
there was not a sincere molecule

449
00:14:22,905 --> 00:14:24,406
in his body.

450
00:14:27,543 --> 00:14:30,645
I've seen him be the last guy

451
00:14:30,713 --> 00:14:32,747
to see people.

452
00:14:32,849 --> 00:14:35,784
The last guy.

453
00:14:39,989 --> 00:14:41,823
He would come out, and he would

454
00:14:41,891 --> 00:14:45,427
be a...wreck.

455
00:14:45,495 --> 00:14:47,496
A wreck.

456
00:14:47,563 --> 00:14:48,830
Getting cancer is a really...

457
00:14:48,898 --> 00:14:50,665
scary thing.

458
00:14:50,733 --> 00:14:52,033
And, man, when you emerge from

459
00:14:52,101 --> 00:14:52,934
the other end and you're not

460
00:14:53,002 --> 00:14:55,003
dead, it's pretty cool.

461
00:14:55,104 --> 00:14:56,204
And you wanted other people to

462
00:14:56,272 --> 00:14:57,305
realize that you've got hope

463
00:14:57,373 --> 00:14:58,974
in your life.

464
00:14:59,041 --> 00:14:59,708
And frankly, he had the

465
00:14:59,775 --> 00:15:01,143
resources to turn that into

466
00:15:01,210 --> 00:15:02,777
something that benefited a lot

467
00:15:02,845 --> 00:15:03,979
of people.

468
00:15:07,216 --> 00:15:10,185
But if it wasn't a cynical tool

469
00:15:10,253 --> 00:15:11,953
from the start, I think towards

470
00:15:12,021 --> 00:15:14,156
the middle and on, I think it

471
00:15:14,223 --> 00:15:14,689
was.

472
00:15:14,757 --> 00:15:15,991
I mean, we used to refer to it

473
00:15:16,058 --> 00:15:18,326
as "the cancer shield."

474
00:15:18,394 --> 00:15:21,830
It certainly was an influence

475
00:15:21,898 --> 00:15:23,298
in the way people thought about

476
00:15:23,366 --> 00:15:25,867
him and their unwillingness to

477
00:15:25,935 --> 00:15:27,469
believe that it could even be

478
00:15:27,537 --> 00:15:29,504
possible that he was doping.

479
00:15:32,441 --> 00:15:33,475
It is unfair to say that I

480
00:15:33,543 --> 00:15:35,844
used Livestrong as a shield.

481
00:15:35,912 --> 00:15:37,512
That's -- the organization was

482
00:15:37,580 --> 00:15:38,547
too legitimate.

483
00:15:38,614 --> 00:15:40,182
We did too many good things and

484
00:15:40,249 --> 00:15:43,385
too much good work.

485
00:15:43,452 --> 00:15:45,086
Now, I do think, and it's, I'll

486
00:15:45,154 --> 00:15:47,255
admit, I mean, I used cancer

487
00:15:47,323 --> 00:15:48,189
occasionally as a shield, which

488
00:15:48,257 --> 00:15:50,525
is just...stupid.

489
00:15:50,593 --> 00:15:52,394
I came out of a life threatening

490
00:15:52,461 --> 00:15:52,894
disease.

491
00:15:52,962 --> 00:15:53,762
I was on my death bed.

492
00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:54,863
You think I'm going to come back

493
00:15:54,931 --> 00:15:56,398
into a sport and say, "Okay,

494
00:15:56,465 --> 00:15:57,432
okay, Doctor, give me everything

495
00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:58,500
you got, I just want to go

496
00:15:58,568 --> 00:15:59,501
fast."

497
00:15:59,569 --> 00:16:00,502
No way.

498
00:16:00,570 --> 00:16:01,703
A guy who comes back from

499
00:16:01,771 --> 00:16:03,738
arguably, you know, a death

500
00:16:03,806 --> 00:16:06,274
sentence, why would I then enter

501
00:16:06,342 --> 00:16:07,943
into a sport and dope myself up

502
00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:08,944
and risk my life again?

503
00:16:09,011 --> 00:16:09,678
That's crazy.

504
00:16:09,745 --> 00:16:10,745
I would never do that.

505
00:16:10,813 --> 00:16:13,415
That's -- no. No way.

506
00:16:13,482 --> 00:16:15,584
In hindsight, cycling and cancer

507
00:16:15,651 --> 00:16:17,919
should have been kept separate.

508
00:16:22,792 --> 00:16:24,392
Lance's impact on the world

509
00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:27,095
of cancer doesn't excuse the

510
00:16:27,163 --> 00:16:29,264
doping.

511
00:16:29,332 --> 00:16:30,732
Equally as important, doping

512
00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,134
doesn't erase his impact on the

513
00:16:33,202 --> 00:16:34,736
world of cancer.

514
00:16:34,804 --> 00:16:36,137
And I feel like everyone wants

515
00:16:36,205 --> 00:16:37,472
to lump them together and throw

516
00:16:37,540 --> 00:16:41,276
them all out because everyone

517
00:16:41,344 --> 00:16:42,911
wants it to be black and white.

518
00:16:42,979 --> 00:16:46,915
But the truth is, it's gray.

519
00:16:46,983 --> 00:16:49,117
I truly believe if you are

520
00:16:49,185 --> 00:16:50,819
diagnosed with cancer in America

521
00:16:50,886 --> 00:16:52,754
today, you're experience is

522
00:16:52,822 --> 00:16:54,489
better than it was pre-Lance

523
00:16:54,557 --> 00:16:56,291
and pre-Livestrong.

524
00:16:56,359 --> 00:16:59,227
Irrefutably better.

525
00:16:59,295 --> 00:17:01,730
I had cancer at 22 and again at

526
00:17:01,797 --> 00:17:03,832
24.

527
00:17:03,899 --> 00:17:05,333
I was a healthy young adult.

528
00:17:05,401 --> 00:17:07,102
I ran a marathon the day before

529
00:17:07,169 --> 00:17:10,305
I was diagnosed.

530
00:17:10,373 --> 00:17:11,439
Cancer treatments like

531
00:17:11,507 --> 00:17:12,941
chemotherapy and radiation can

532
00:17:13,009 --> 00:17:14,843
cause infertility.

533
00:17:14,910 --> 00:17:16,344
Or cancer treatments can be

534
00:17:16,412 --> 00:17:18,013
sterilizing.

535
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,115
But most doctors at the time

536
00:17:20,182 --> 00:17:21,683
weren't forthcoming with that

537
00:17:21,751 --> 00:17:23,618
information.

538
00:17:23,686 --> 00:17:24,986
My own doctor was going through

539
00:17:25,054 --> 00:17:27,255
all the side effects of

540
00:17:27,323 --> 00:17:29,424
chemotherapy and didn't mention

541
00:17:29,492 --> 00:17:30,959
fertility.

542
00:17:32,862 --> 00:17:33,762
In the waiting room was a

543
00:17:33,829 --> 00:17:35,530
magazine with the story about

544
00:17:35,598 --> 00:17:37,632
Lance and Kristen and how they

545
00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,501
had just had a bouncing baby boy

546
00:17:39,568 --> 00:17:41,336
because Lance had banked his

547
00:17:41,404 --> 00:17:42,937
sperm and they had done

548
00:17:43,005 --> 00:17:44,673
fertility treatments.

549
00:17:44,740 --> 00:17:46,941
And so here I was a young adult

550
00:17:47,009 --> 00:17:49,210
cancer patient, and I didn't

551
00:17:49,278 --> 00:17:51,346
learn about my fertility risks

552
00:17:51,414 --> 00:17:52,814
from the doctors at the top

553
00:17:52,882 --> 00:17:54,149
cancer centers.

554
00:17:54,216 --> 00:17:55,817
I learned about my fertility

555
00:17:55,885 --> 00:17:56,985
risks from Lance.

556
00:17:57,053 --> 00:17:58,453
[ Baby crying ]

557
00:17:58,521 --> 00:18:00,989
He's such a little talker.

558
00:18:01,057 --> 00:18:02,657
Unbelievable the way he was

559
00:18:02,725 --> 00:18:03,658
conceived.

560
00:18:03,726 --> 00:18:05,493
Give us a jump. Go jump.

561
00:18:05,561 --> 00:18:07,328
To see him now, he's so normal

562
00:18:07,396 --> 00:18:09,197
and perfect.

563
00:18:09,265 --> 00:18:11,633
I still can't figure it out.

564
00:18:11,701 --> 00:18:13,868
It was really sort of a taboo

565
00:18:13,936 --> 00:18:17,072
subject that was kept in the

566
00:18:17,139 --> 00:18:19,541
closet, and Lance was just open

567
00:18:19,608 --> 00:18:21,209
about it.

568
00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:25,313
I think I called Stamford five

569
00:18:25,381 --> 00:18:27,716
or six times, and someone

570
00:18:27,783 --> 00:18:29,184
answered the phone by mistake,

571
00:18:29,251 --> 00:18:32,687
like, after hours, and said,

572
00:18:32,755 --> 00:18:34,656
"Oh, we have a new egg freezing

573
00:18:34,724 --> 00:18:37,258
program for cancer patients.

574
00:18:37,326 --> 00:18:39,060
You would be one of the first,

575
00:18:39,128 --> 00:18:41,429
come in tomorrow."

576
00:18:41,497 --> 00:18:42,731
And two weeks later, my eggs

577
00:18:42,798 --> 00:18:44,566
were frozen and I started

578
00:18:44,633 --> 00:18:46,534
chemotherapy on time.

579
00:18:46,602 --> 00:18:49,137
And today, I have four children.

580
00:18:54,944 --> 00:18:56,111
At Fertile Hope, we started

581
00:18:56,178 --> 00:18:57,445
the first ever financial

582
00:18:57,513 --> 00:18:59,414
assistance program to help

583
00:18:59,482 --> 00:19:01,049
cancer patients pay for

584
00:19:01,117 --> 00:19:02,450
fertility treatments in that

585
00:19:02,518 --> 00:19:04,219
short time frame.

586
00:19:04,286 --> 00:19:05,787
That program still exists today

587
00:19:05,855 --> 00:19:07,355
at Livestrong.

588
00:19:07,423 --> 00:19:08,757
It has helped more than 10,000

589
00:19:08,824 --> 00:19:10,592
patients and saved them more

590
00:19:10,659 --> 00:19:12,560
than $50 million.

591
00:19:12,628 --> 00:19:14,462
And there have been thousands

592
00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:17,031
of babies born because of Lance

593
00:19:17,099 --> 00:19:19,100
and Livestrong's work around

594
00:19:19,168 --> 00:19:21,169
cancer survivorship.

595
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,575
[ Groans ]

596
00:19:27,643 --> 00:19:29,244
Dude.

597
00:19:29,311 --> 00:19:30,879
I'm Luke David Armstrong,

598
00:19:30,946 --> 00:19:33,748
and I'm Lance's son.

599
00:19:35,885 --> 00:19:37,051
I never really bring it up who I

600
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,620
am because I feel like that

601
00:19:38,687 --> 00:19:39,921
would make me come off as

602
00:19:39,989 --> 00:19:41,990
someone that I'm not.

603
00:19:42,057 --> 00:19:43,224
I mean, it is part of who I am,

604
00:19:43,292 --> 00:19:44,159
but at the end of the day, it's

605
00:19:44,226 --> 00:19:46,728
not, like, what describes me.

606
00:19:46,796 --> 00:19:48,897
There's so much more than that.

607
00:19:52,034 --> 00:19:53,301
Would you ever take

608
00:19:53,369 --> 00:19:55,603
performance enhancing drugs?

609
00:19:55,671 --> 00:19:57,972
I mean, me specifically, I've

610
00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,474
always felt like grinding for

611
00:19:59,542 --> 00:20:00,408
something, and really, like,

612
00:20:00,476 --> 00:20:02,677
working for a specific goal has

613
00:20:02,745 --> 00:20:04,445
always been so much more worth

614
00:20:04,513 --> 00:20:07,115
it than taking the short cut.

615
00:20:07,183 --> 00:20:08,683
And I also feel that like if I

616
00:20:08,751 --> 00:20:12,253
ever did that and got caught,

617
00:20:12,321 --> 00:20:14,455
for random people, they would be

618
00:20:14,523 --> 00:20:18,827
like, "He's just like his dad."

619
00:20:18,894 --> 00:20:19,994
What's up with your chain out

620
00:20:20,062 --> 00:20:20,995
there?

621
00:20:21,063 --> 00:20:21,496
It rains.

622
00:20:21,564 --> 00:20:22,597
You haven't ridden that bike

623
00:20:22,665 --> 00:20:23,464
in --

624
00:20:23,532 --> 00:20:25,099
Every day I ride it.

625
00:20:25,167 --> 00:20:26,835
Well, the chain's way too

626
00:20:26,902 --> 00:20:28,002
loose.

627
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:29,971
I know. It's kind of weird.

628
00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:30,772
I have a week left.

629
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,140
I was going to bring it back.

630
00:20:32,208 --> 00:20:33,007
And get it tuned up?

631
00:20:33,075 --> 00:20:33,641
Yeah.

632
00:20:33,709 --> 00:20:35,810
Good idea.

633
00:20:35,878 --> 00:20:37,879
How would you feel if your

634
00:20:37,947 --> 00:20:39,781
son told you that he wanted to

635
00:20:39,849 --> 00:20:41,282
take performance enhancing

636
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:43,518
drugs?

637
00:20:43,586 --> 00:20:44,686
If we were put in that

638
00:20:44,753 --> 00:20:46,120
position where Luke, who's a

639
00:20:46,188 --> 00:20:47,288
college football player came to

640
00:20:47,356 --> 00:20:50,391
me and said either, "I'd like to

641
00:20:50,459 --> 00:20:53,695
try this, or I am doing this,"

642
00:20:53,762 --> 00:20:54,529
I would say, "That's a bad

643
00:20:54,597 --> 00:20:55,964
idea.

644
00:20:56,031 --> 00:20:59,334
I mean, you're a freshman in

645
00:20:59,401 --> 00:21:04,405
college that's, you know --

646
00:21:04,473 --> 00:21:05,540
it might be a different

647
00:21:05,608 --> 00:21:06,574
conversation if you're in the

648
00:21:06,642 --> 00:21:07,809
NFL.

649
00:21:07,877 --> 00:21:09,010
But at this point in your life

650
00:21:09,078 --> 00:21:10,511
and in your career, not worth

651
00:21:10,579 --> 00:21:11,846
it."

652
00:21:11,914 --> 00:21:13,681
[ Applause ]

653
00:21:13,749 --> 00:21:15,216
Well, thanks, boys.

654
00:21:15,284 --> 00:21:16,551
Hopefully -- I'm not a football

655
00:21:16,619 --> 00:21:18,253
coach so hopefully I can project

656
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:18,853
enough.

657
00:21:18,921 --> 00:21:20,989
But this idea of work and

658
00:21:21,056 --> 00:21:23,057
process, quite honestly, that

659
00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:23,992
was my favorite part of the

660
00:21:24,059 --> 00:21:24,893
game.

661
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,527
Whether it's diet, sleep,

662
00:21:26,595 --> 00:21:29,063
strength work, tactics, morale.

663
00:21:29,131 --> 00:21:31,499
I mean, all of this minutiae,

664
00:21:31,567 --> 00:21:33,401
the small things, truly, truly

665
00:21:33,469 --> 00:21:33,835
matter.

666
00:21:33,903 --> 00:21:36,838
And so, you know, I'm proud of

667
00:21:36,906 --> 00:21:37,572
all you guys.

668
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,606
I'm obviously proud of number

669
00:21:38,674 --> 00:21:40,541
48.

670
00:21:40,609 --> 00:21:41,709
I think it was important that

671
00:21:41,777 --> 00:21:42,710
I played football because it

672
00:21:42,778 --> 00:21:44,712
wasn't cycling.

673
00:21:44,780 --> 00:21:47,115
So I had my own path to, like,

674
00:21:47,182 --> 00:21:50,118
be myself, to be Luke and not to

675
00:21:50,185 --> 00:21:52,053
be Lance's son.

676
00:21:52,121 --> 00:21:53,054
What do we say?

677
00:21:53,122 --> 00:21:54,188
What do they say here at Rice?

678
00:21:54,256 --> 00:21:55,256
Like, you know, what's the

679
00:21:55,324 --> 00:21:56,457
battle cry?

680
00:21:56,525 --> 00:21:58,026
Rice fight never dies.

681
00:21:58,093 --> 00:22:00,395
Rice fight never dies.

682
00:22:00,462 --> 00:22:01,763
So it's not like "woo woo."

683
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:03,131
[ Laughter ]

684
00:22:03,198 --> 00:22:04,365
You say "Rice fight," and

685
00:22:04,433 --> 00:22:05,233
they'll respond to you.

686
00:22:05,301 --> 00:22:05,867
Rice fight --

687
00:22:05,935 --> 00:22:06,734
Never dies!

688
00:22:06,802 --> 00:22:07,402
Rice fight --

689
00:22:07,469 --> 00:22:08,303
Never dies!

690
00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,204
Man, alright, thanks, boys.

691
00:22:10,272 --> 00:22:11,039
He'll be rocking.

692
00:22:11,106 --> 00:22:12,106
Your mom's coming.

693
00:22:12,174 --> 00:22:12,807
Yeah.

694
00:22:12,875 --> 00:22:13,641
And your grandparents.

695
00:22:13,709 --> 00:22:16,044
And I'm 35 for the scrimmage.

696
00:22:16,111 --> 00:22:18,046
Not 48? Oh.

697
00:22:18,113 --> 00:22:19,247
But that's easy to confuse.

698
00:22:19,315 --> 00:22:20,214
You've worn 48 the whole spring.

699
00:22:20,282 --> 00:22:21,282
I know, I know, I get it.

700
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:22,583
But he said 48, and I was like,

701
00:22:22,651 --> 00:22:24,752
"Oh, no, I'm 35."

702
00:22:24,820 --> 00:22:25,320
Okay.

703
00:22:25,387 --> 00:22:25,987
Nice meeting you.

704
00:22:26,055 --> 00:22:26,754
Love you.

705
00:22:26,822 --> 00:22:27,722
Good to meet you.

706
00:22:27,790 --> 00:22:29,157
Yeah. 35.

707
00:22:29,224 --> 00:22:30,692
Mm-hmm.

708
00:22:34,396 --> 00:22:36,064
He's out there.

709
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:06,958
Do you like the snow?

710
00:23:07,026 --> 00:23:09,094
No, I don't love snow.

711
00:23:09,161 --> 00:23:12,163
No, I -- I stop short of hating

712
00:23:12,231 --> 00:23:14,566
snow, but I'm not a big fan.

713
00:23:20,740 --> 00:23:22,007
There was a lot of reasons to

714
00:23:22,074 --> 00:23:25,910
make the move for now.

715
00:23:27,213 --> 00:23:29,214
Quite frankly, you know,

716
00:23:29,281 --> 00:23:31,983
settling the Postal case I think

717
00:23:32,051 --> 00:23:35,186
it was a good thing.

718
00:23:35,254 --> 00:23:36,988
But it still cost $6.5 million.

719
00:23:37,056 --> 00:23:40,058
So, you know, just at this point

720
00:23:40,126 --> 00:23:42,327
in my life, until a few things

721
00:23:42,395 --> 00:23:43,995
significant happen on the

722
00:23:44,063 --> 00:23:45,230
financial side, it was just

723
00:23:45,297 --> 00:23:46,364
easier to sell the home in

724
00:23:46,432 --> 00:23:48,633
Austin, take the proceeds, and

725
00:23:48,701 --> 00:23:49,801
just get that thing out of my

726
00:23:49,869 --> 00:23:50,301
life.

727
00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:51,703
Oh.

728
00:23:55,908 --> 00:23:57,008
Ah!

729
00:23:57,076 --> 00:23:58,510
What is this?!

730
00:23:58,577 --> 00:23:59,711
[ Chuckles ]

731
00:23:59,779 --> 00:24:00,545
Oh, my gosh!

732
00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:01,713
Olivia, do you want to come

733
00:24:01,781 --> 00:24:03,014
with me?

734
00:24:03,082 --> 00:24:04,416
No, I want to go by myself,

735
00:24:04,483 --> 00:24:05,884
I just want to real quick.

736
00:24:05,951 --> 00:24:07,919
Okay. Alright.

737
00:24:08,020 --> 00:24:09,921
You want to race me?

738
00:24:09,989 --> 00:24:10,922
[ Laughter ]

739
00:24:10,990 --> 00:24:12,657
Aaah! I can't steer!

740
00:24:12,725 --> 00:24:14,225
[ Laughs ]

741
00:24:14,293 --> 00:24:16,161
Watch out! Watch out!

742
00:24:18,264 --> 00:24:19,497
Don't crash into me!

743
00:24:19,565 --> 00:24:22,100
[ Screams ]

744
00:24:22,168 --> 00:24:25,503
Hey, could be worse.

745
00:24:25,571 --> 00:24:27,172
I could be Floyd Landis.

746
00:24:27,239 --> 00:24:29,507
What, living in Leadville?

747
00:24:29,575 --> 00:24:31,042
Waking up a piece of...every

748
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:32,911
day.

749
00:24:32,978 --> 00:24:34,279
Is that what you think?

750
00:24:34,346 --> 00:24:36,614
Yeah. Yeah.

751
00:24:36,682 --> 00:24:39,284
<i>That's what I know.</i>

752
00:24:39,351 --> 00:24:41,920
I don't think it. I know it.

753
00:24:50,429 --> 00:24:51,863
I hope he's changed, and I

754
00:24:51,931 --> 00:24:55,033
hope he's finding some peace.

755
00:24:55,134 --> 00:24:56,634
I don't know why people can't

756
00:24:56,702 --> 00:24:58,837
move on, but here we are.

757
00:25:05,377 --> 00:25:07,112
I grew up in Lancaster County,

758
00:25:07,179 --> 00:25:08,546
Pennsylvania, in the Mennonite

759
00:25:08,614 --> 00:25:10,381
Church.

760
00:25:10,449 --> 00:25:12,650
It had some beliefs that are

761
00:25:12,718 --> 00:25:15,720
unique to their way of life.

762
00:25:15,788 --> 00:25:17,088
I got interested in cycling as a

763
00:25:17,156 --> 00:25:19,457
kid in high school, and my

764
00:25:19,525 --> 00:25:20,625
parents were not particularly

765
00:25:20,693 --> 00:25:22,427
enthusiastic about my obsession

766
00:25:22,495 --> 00:25:24,829
with it.

767
00:25:24,897 --> 00:25:26,431
It took them a while to accept

768
00:25:26,499 --> 00:25:28,800
it.

769
00:25:28,868 --> 00:25:30,668
For me it was a way to go make

770
00:25:30,736 --> 00:25:32,737
sense of the world.

771
00:25:35,341 --> 00:25:37,509
At the time that I got hired by

772
00:25:37,576 --> 00:25:39,410
the Postal Service team, they

773
00:25:39,478 --> 00:25:40,411
had already won the

774
00:25:40,479 --> 00:25:41,446
Tour De France three times with

775
00:25:41,514 --> 00:25:44,182
Armstrong, and so he was about

776
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:45,350
as big a star as you could be at

777
00:25:45,417 --> 00:25:47,785
that point.

778
00:25:47,853 --> 00:25:49,120
That part made it easier for

779
00:25:49,188 --> 00:25:50,188
Armstrong to control this group

780
00:25:50,256 --> 00:25:51,656
of guys.

781
00:25:51,724 --> 00:25:52,690
He was the boss, and there was

782
00:25:52,758 --> 00:25:56,528
no ambiguity there.

783
00:25:56,595 --> 00:25:57,462
They said that you were the

784
00:25:57,530 --> 00:25:59,164
loud kind of outspoken guy on

785
00:25:59,231 --> 00:26:00,098
the team.

786
00:26:00,166 --> 00:26:01,799
Where does that come from?

787
00:26:01,867 --> 00:26:03,301
Uh...[ Chuckles ]

788
00:26:03,369 --> 00:26:04,302
I don't necessarily like to be

789
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:05,003
described as loud.

790
00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:07,272
But I guess occasionally I speak

791
00:26:07,339 --> 00:26:09,107
my opinion more than others.

792
00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:12,277
Floyd was a former teammate

793
00:26:12,344 --> 00:26:13,344
of mine, a beloved teammate of

794
00:26:13,412 --> 00:26:13,945
mine.

795
00:26:14,013 --> 00:26:15,113
I loved racing with Floyd.

796
00:26:15,181 --> 00:26:17,782
He's a lot of fun.

797
00:26:17,883 --> 00:26:19,350
Floyd is an interesting

798
00:26:19,418 --> 00:26:20,184
character.

799
00:26:20,252 --> 00:26:22,387
He doesn't play by the rules

800
00:26:22,454 --> 00:26:23,555
that everybody plays by.

801
00:26:23,622 --> 00:26:25,690
He's a free spirit.

802
00:26:25,791 --> 00:26:27,392
And I had my own challenges that

803
00:26:27,459 --> 00:26:28,526
I saw Floyd go through.

804
00:26:28,594 --> 00:26:31,162
I was on a team that went

805
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:32,063
bankrupt midway through the

806
00:26:32,131 --> 00:26:33,898
year, with Floyd.

807
00:26:33,966 --> 00:26:36,634
And I saw what happened when he

808
00:26:36,702 --> 00:26:37,869
felt cornered and didn't have

809
00:26:37,937 --> 00:26:38,836
options.

810
00:26:38,904 --> 00:26:39,737
I've had to work a little

811
00:26:39,805 --> 00:26:40,572
harder than some people.

812
00:26:40,639 --> 00:26:42,540
I haven't had as many breaks in

813
00:26:42,608 --> 00:26:43,308
this sport.

814
00:26:43,375 --> 00:26:44,809
And it's been 10 years getting

815
00:26:44,877 --> 00:26:46,477
to this team and to the top

816
00:26:46,545 --> 00:26:47,412
level and to be able to race

817
00:26:47,479 --> 00:26:48,246
with Lance in the

818
00:26:48,314 --> 00:26:49,314
Tour De France.

819
00:26:49,381 --> 00:26:50,682
And I've had to fight my way

820
00:26:50,749 --> 00:26:52,517
here so I don't really like to

821
00:26:52,585 --> 00:26:55,420
put up with, you know, petty

822
00:26:55,487 --> 00:26:58,423
little, what do you call them?

823
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:59,591
Traditions maybe.

824
00:26:59,658 --> 00:27:01,492
[ Chuckles ]

825
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,561
Despite the difficulty of it

826
00:27:03,629 --> 00:27:05,063
and the amount of time and

827
00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:07,065
determination it takes, the

828
00:27:07,132 --> 00:27:08,032
personalities are not

829
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:12,036
particularly aggressive.

830
00:27:12,104 --> 00:27:13,738
They're often really introverted

831
00:27:13,806 --> 00:27:14,606
people who just like to spend

832
00:27:14,673 --> 00:27:16,007
time riding a bike by themselves

833
00:27:16,075 --> 00:27:17,709
a lot or near other people

834
00:27:17,776 --> 00:27:20,578
without saying anything.

835
00:27:20,646 --> 00:27:22,013
What people see, they see

836
00:27:22,081 --> 00:27:23,081
George Hincapie and think, "Oh,

837
00:27:23,148 --> 00:27:23,715
he's a tough guy."

838
00:27:23,782 --> 00:27:25,216
He's not. He just isn't.

839
00:27:25,284 --> 00:27:26,084
I mean, Lance is.

840
00:27:26,151 --> 00:27:29,053
Lance is a tough, hard...

841
00:27:29,121 --> 00:27:30,421
But the rest of them were not.

842
00:27:30,489 --> 00:27:31,889
And so they'll just take

843
00:27:31,957 --> 00:27:33,191
whatever beatings they get and

844
00:27:33,258 --> 00:27:35,927
smile.

845
00:27:35,995 --> 00:27:36,928
If you were going to be on

846
00:27:36,996 --> 00:27:39,063
Lance's team, you were there to

847
00:27:39,131 --> 00:27:41,232
work for him.

848
00:27:41,333 --> 00:27:42,400
And one by one, those guys

849
00:27:42,468 --> 00:27:43,768
started getting frustrated with

850
00:27:43,836 --> 00:27:45,236
that, wanted the respect,

851
00:27:45,304 --> 00:27:46,604
wanted the higher contracts,

852
00:27:46,672 --> 00:27:48,272
which is just normal.

853
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:51,876
And one by one, they'd leave.

854
00:27:51,944 --> 00:27:54,779
What do you think?

855
00:27:54,847 --> 00:27:56,080
I helped Lance win his first

856
00:27:56,148 --> 00:27:58,149
three Tours, so I could look

857
00:27:58,217 --> 00:27:59,584
back three years and look ahead

858
00:27:59,652 --> 00:28:00,818
three years and see myself in

859
00:28:00,886 --> 00:28:03,121
the exact same position, doing

860
00:28:03,188 --> 00:28:04,589
the exact same thing.

861
00:28:04,657 --> 00:28:05,657
And I never wanted to look back

862
00:28:05,724 --> 00:28:06,791
at the end of my career and say,

863
00:28:06,859 --> 00:28:07,992
"You know, I wish I had done

864
00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:09,093
that."

865
00:28:09,194 --> 00:28:10,094
You know, a lot of people told

866
00:28:10,162 --> 00:28:11,729
me like, "Hey, you know, you

867
00:28:11,797 --> 00:28:13,431
have the talent to compete in a

868
00:28:13,499 --> 00:28:15,299
race like the Tour."

869
00:28:15,367 --> 00:28:17,468
So I thought I should give it a

870
00:28:17,536 --> 00:28:18,770
shot.

871
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,106
When we were teammates, we were

872
00:28:22,174 --> 00:28:23,474
friends, and then not so

873
00:28:23,542 --> 00:28:25,276
friendly anymore after we parted

874
00:28:25,344 --> 00:28:26,144
ways.

875
00:28:26,211 --> 00:28:29,847
Or I after I left the team.

876
00:28:29,915 --> 00:28:30,848
He wanted to go to another

877
00:28:30,916 --> 00:28:32,850
team and be a team leader and

878
00:28:32,918 --> 00:28:34,252
try to win the Tour, and he's

879
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:35,253
going to win the Tour.

880
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,689
And you don't want that guy

881
00:28:37,756 --> 00:28:38,456
on your team.

882
00:28:38,524 --> 00:28:39,590
You have a guy on the team that

883
00:28:39,658 --> 00:28:40,825
<i>thinks he can win the Tour?</i>

884
00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:42,994
No!

885
00:28:43,062 --> 00:28:44,829
There's the door.

886
00:28:46,765 --> 00:28:49,333
In 2004, kind of a warm up

887
00:28:49,401 --> 00:28:50,468
race for the Tour De France

888
00:28:50,536 --> 00:28:52,170
called the Dauphin�.

889
00:28:52,237 --> 00:28:53,771
I beat him in this time trial up

890
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:54,806
Mount Ventoux.

891
00:28:54,873 --> 00:28:56,140
And, you know, I've heard from

892
00:28:56,208 --> 00:28:58,776
sources that he was pissed.

893
00:28:58,844 --> 00:29:00,845
And he called the UCI.

894
00:29:00,913 --> 00:29:03,014
This is what I was told.

895
00:29:03,082 --> 00:29:04,015
And said, "You got to get this

896
00:29:04,083 --> 00:29:06,350
guy."

897
00:29:06,418 --> 00:29:07,452
And sure enough, they called

898
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:08,653
that night.

899
00:29:11,724 --> 00:29:12,657
So I don't know.

900
00:29:12,725 --> 00:29:15,359
It most likely happened.

901
00:29:15,427 --> 00:29:16,494
If I had to guess one way or the

902
00:29:16,562 --> 00:29:18,296
other, I'd guess yes, that he

903
00:29:18,363 --> 00:29:20,498
had something to do with, you

904
00:29:20,566 --> 00:29:22,667
know, me getting caught.

905
00:29:24,937 --> 00:29:26,170
I think it would be difficult

906
00:29:26,238 --> 00:29:27,672
to overstate the power that

907
00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:29,574
Lance had in the American

908
00:29:29,641 --> 00:29:31,142
cycling industry, in the sport

909
00:29:31,210 --> 00:29:32,844
of cycling for America, and even

910
00:29:32,911 --> 00:29:35,012
globally to everybody involved

911
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,013
in the sport of cycling.

912
00:29:36,081 --> 00:29:38,349
He was unbelievably powerful.

913
00:29:45,624 --> 00:29:47,058
Let's talk about

914
00:29:47,126 --> 00:29:48,493
Lance Armstrong.

915
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,061
What are his greatest strengths

916
00:29:50,129 --> 00:29:51,229
as a rider?

917
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:52,997
I think Lance is incredibly

918
00:29:53,065 --> 00:29:53,731
determined.

919
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:55,199
I mean, I think he has a great

920
00:29:55,267 --> 00:29:56,400
tactical sense.

921
00:29:56,468 --> 00:30:00,037
I think he has...

922
00:30:00,105 --> 00:30:02,039
He's got a fire in his belly to

923
00:30:02,107 --> 00:30:04,609
succeed.

924
00:30:04,676 --> 00:30:05,910
I idolized Greg LeMond.

925
00:30:05,978 --> 00:30:07,245
When he won the Tour De France

926
00:30:07,312 --> 00:30:09,213
in 1989 in such dramatic

927
00:30:09,281 --> 00:30:12,683
fashion, I mean, it's the

928
00:30:12,751 --> 00:30:14,051
greatest Tour De France victory

929
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:14,585
of all time.

930
00:30:14,653 --> 00:30:15,953
And I say that now, and I mean

931
00:30:16,021 --> 00:30:17,889
it.

932
00:30:17,956 --> 00:30:19,223
Greg LeMond is the fastest

933
00:30:19,291 --> 00:30:20,691
man at all the intermediate

934
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,627
checks, over all the 136

935
00:30:22,694 --> 00:30:23,961
cyclists who have gone before

936
00:30:24,029 --> 00:30:24,762
him.

937
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:26,197
LeMond's time represented an

938
00:30:26,265 --> 00:30:28,199
average speed of 34 miles an

939
00:30:28,267 --> 00:30:29,033
hour.

940
00:30:29,101 --> 00:30:30,601
No Tour De France time trial has

941
00:30:30,669 --> 00:30:33,037
ever been quicker.

942
00:30:33,105 --> 00:30:36,140
Nothing's even close.

943
00:30:36,208 --> 00:30:37,141
I mean, for me, it was super

944
00:30:37,209 --> 00:30:38,810
inspiring to see that, and that

945
00:30:38,877 --> 00:30:41,813
was when I was transitioning

946
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,080
from triathlon to cycling.

947
00:30:43,148 --> 00:30:44,882
So it was perfect time for me.

948
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:46,784
[ Cheers and applause ]

949
00:30:46,852 --> 00:30:48,452
There was no denying he was a

950
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,288
bad ass bike racer.

951
00:30:50,355 --> 00:30:52,623
I mean, one of the best ever.

952
00:30:54,726 --> 00:30:55,793
He was supportive the first

953
00:30:55,861 --> 00:30:58,462
couple years.

954
00:30:58,530 --> 00:30:59,897
Then the Ferrari relationship

955
00:30:59,965 --> 00:31:02,099
was made public.

956
00:31:04,503 --> 00:31:06,103
Greg LeMond made some comments

957
00:31:06,171 --> 00:31:07,505
that this is either an amazing

958
00:31:07,573 --> 00:31:09,473
story or he's the biggest fraud

959
00:31:09,541 --> 00:31:10,508
in the history of --

960
00:31:10,576 --> 00:31:13,477
You know, pretty harsh things.

961
00:31:16,481 --> 00:31:17,415
I didn't say he's taking

962
00:31:17,482 --> 00:31:19,150
anything.

963
00:31:19,218 --> 00:31:22,353
That's his interpretation of

964
00:31:22,421 --> 00:31:24,121
what I was saying.

965
00:31:26,091 --> 00:31:28,626
I got a phone call from Lance.

966
00:31:28,694 --> 00:31:30,194
He just said, "You know, I

967
00:31:30,262 --> 00:31:30,995
thought we were friends."

968
00:31:31,063 --> 00:31:32,096
I thought we were friends.

969
00:31:32,164 --> 00:31:34,999
And he said, "Well, if you want

970
00:31:35,067 --> 00:31:36,200
to throw stones, I can throw

971
00:31:36,268 --> 00:31:37,602
stones."

972
00:31:40,505 --> 00:31:42,173
The extent of the "bullying"

973
00:31:42,241 --> 00:31:43,608
with Greg, which is all true,

974
00:31:43,675 --> 00:31:46,210
is we were both under this Trek

975
00:31:46,278 --> 00:31:48,179
family, Trek Bikes family.

976
00:31:48,247 --> 00:31:49,347
I was riding Treks.

977
00:31:49,414 --> 00:31:52,316
He had his line at Trek, his own

978
00:31:52,384 --> 00:31:54,185
LeMond line.

979
00:31:54,253 --> 00:31:57,388
And he was becoming more and

980
00:31:57,456 --> 00:31:58,789
more vocal.

981
00:32:00,959 --> 00:32:03,160
LeMond had a bike company

982
00:32:03,228 --> 00:32:05,897
that was part of Trek, which was

983
00:32:05,964 --> 00:32:07,832
Lance's big sponsor.

984
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,968
And Lance used his muscle, his

985
00:32:11,036 --> 00:32:13,671
influence to, in a lot of ways,

986
00:32:13,739 --> 00:32:16,874
ruin LeMond's business.

987
00:32:23,682 --> 00:32:25,049
In how you treated people,

988
00:32:25,117 --> 00:32:26,250
what is the worst thing that you

989
00:32:26,318 --> 00:32:28,052
did?

990
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,354
What is the worst thing?

991
00:32:30,422 --> 00:32:31,489
Everybody in the world needs to

992
00:32:31,556 --> 00:32:32,490
get this question.

993
00:32:32,557 --> 00:32:33,357
What is the worst thing you've

994
00:32:33,425 --> 00:32:34,325
ever done?

995
00:32:34,393 --> 00:32:35,693
Don't deflect.

996
00:32:35,761 --> 00:32:36,894
No, no, no, I'm thinking.

997
00:32:36,962 --> 00:32:37,762
I'm going to answer your

998
00:32:37,829 --> 00:32:38,262
question.

999
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:40,498
You can think in silence.

1000
00:32:40,565 --> 00:32:41,365
Well, cut that out.

1001
00:32:41,433 --> 00:32:42,833
You don't need to use that part.

1002
00:32:42,901 --> 00:32:44,869
I mean, Jesus, edit.

1003
00:32:48,607 --> 00:32:52,877
Probably the way I treated and

1004
00:32:52,945 --> 00:32:55,146
spoke about Emma O'Reilly.

1005
00:32:57,849 --> 00:32:59,884
That's probably the worst.

1006
00:33:02,821 --> 00:33:04,855
I was a soigneur.

1007
00:33:04,923 --> 00:33:07,591
Somebody who looks after riders.

1008
00:33:07,659 --> 00:33:08,859
I kind of thought if I ever did

1009
00:33:08,927 --> 00:33:11,429
want to speak out, it was to do

1010
00:33:11,496 --> 00:33:13,264
good.

1011
00:33:13,332 --> 00:33:15,967
My whole thing really was about

1012
00:33:16,034 --> 00:33:17,568
the UCI.

1013
00:33:17,636 --> 00:33:19,870
It's them that are creating this

1014
00:33:19,938 --> 00:33:21,005
problem.

1015
00:33:23,342 --> 00:33:24,608
It annoyed me that the whole

1016
00:33:24,676 --> 00:33:26,978
system was set up not to protect

1017
00:33:27,045 --> 00:33:27,979
the riders.

1018
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,480
You know, that the riders were

1019
00:33:29,548 --> 00:33:31,983
just fodder for other peoples

1020
00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:34,819
grand plans.

1021
00:33:34,886 --> 00:33:35,953
David Walsh got in touch with

1022
00:33:36,021 --> 00:33:38,289
me.

1023
00:33:38,357 --> 00:33:39,724
And I thought, you know, he

1024
00:33:39,791 --> 00:33:41,158
could make this a helpful,

1025
00:33:41,226 --> 00:33:42,593
constructive article about the

1026
00:33:42,661 --> 00:33:44,261
problems in cycling.

1027
00:33:59,511 --> 00:34:01,345
I was feeling really guilty.

1028
00:34:01,413 --> 00:34:02,346
And that's stayed with me for a

1029
00:34:02,414 --> 00:34:03,147
long time.

1030
00:34:03,215 --> 00:34:04,815
Over being disloyal to my

1031
00:34:04,883 --> 00:34:07,284
teammates and to the riders.

1032
00:34:09,254 --> 00:34:12,523
Then Pantani died.

1033
00:34:12,624 --> 00:34:15,192
Pantani died of an overdose,

1034
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:16,260
but a lot of people say he died

1035
00:34:16,328 --> 00:34:18,462
of a broken heart, you know?

1036
00:34:18,563 --> 00:34:19,497
Coincidentally dying on

1037
00:34:19,564 --> 00:34:21,999
Valentine's Day of all days.

1038
00:34:40,385 --> 00:34:42,887
Pantani was an unusual folk

1039
00:34:42,954 --> 00:34:44,622
hero.

1040
00:34:44,689 --> 00:34:45,489
He used to put on these

1041
00:34:45,557 --> 00:34:46,690
incredible shows in the

1042
00:34:46,758 --> 00:34:48,059
mountains.

1043
00:34:48,126 --> 00:34:49,326
Marco Pantani's moved up to

1044
00:34:49,394 --> 00:34:49,794
first.

1045
00:34:49,861 --> 00:34:50,995
Pantani's gone over the line in

1046
00:34:51,063 --> 00:34:51,896
first place.

1047
00:34:51,963 --> 00:34:53,631
Phil, that is unbelievable.

1048
00:34:53,732 --> 00:34:56,700
Italy became captivated by

1049
00:34:56,768 --> 00:34:58,969
Pantani because to them, he

1050
00:34:59,037 --> 00:35:01,539
personified the underdog.

1051
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,074
And the Italians always felt

1052
00:35:03,141 --> 00:35:05,376
like underdogs.

1053
00:35:07,913 --> 00:35:10,848
After 1999, having been

1054
00:35:10,916 --> 00:35:12,917
associated with doping, he

1055
00:35:12,984 --> 00:35:14,351
almost couldn't face himself,

1056
00:35:14,419 --> 00:35:15,886
let alone the world.

1057
00:35:38,443 --> 00:35:39,910
The country of Italy

1058
00:35:39,978 --> 00:35:41,912
discarded him -- one of their

1059
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:43,681
sporting heroes, who did

1060
00:35:43,748 --> 00:35:44,782
everything that everybody else

1061
00:35:44,850 --> 00:35:45,116
did.

1062
00:35:45,183 --> 00:35:48,285
They discarded.

1063
00:35:48,353 --> 00:35:50,521
You grow up being told, you

1064
00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:51,755
know, particularly when you're

1065
00:35:51,823 --> 00:35:53,524
as a talented athlete like that,

1066
00:35:53,592 --> 00:35:54,592
you know, that people are going

1067
00:35:54,659 --> 00:35:56,227
to adore you and people are

1068
00:35:56,294 --> 00:35:58,362
going to applaud your every

1069
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:59,230
move.

1070
00:35:59,297 --> 00:36:02,433
And then you suddenly realize

1071
00:36:02,501 --> 00:36:03,634
that your reputation's shot

1072
00:36:03,702 --> 00:36:05,269
and you don't have that anymore.

1073
00:36:05,337 --> 00:36:06,303
I think that's got to be hard

1074
00:36:06,371 --> 00:36:08,539
for anybody.

1075
00:36:10,142 --> 00:36:13,244
I think one of the tragedies

1076
00:36:13,311 --> 00:36:15,913
of that lost generation of

1077
00:36:15,981 --> 00:36:17,715
riders is that the ones who felt

1078
00:36:17,782 --> 00:36:20,484
the shame most keenly on their

1079
00:36:20,552 --> 00:36:22,386
conscience were maybe the ones

1080
00:36:22,454 --> 00:36:24,755
who suffered the most.

1081
00:36:24,823 --> 00:36:25,990
And I think that was certainly

1082
00:36:26,057 --> 00:36:28,092
the case with Pantani.

1083
00:36:29,995 --> 00:36:30,961
Sometimes you've got to stand

1084
00:36:31,029 --> 00:36:32,429
up and be counted.

1085
00:36:32,497 --> 00:36:33,430
And that's what I said to David.

1086
00:36:33,498 --> 00:36:35,132
"Okay, you can use whatever you

1087
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,566
want.

1088
00:36:35,634 --> 00:36:36,634
I can back up everything I

1089
00:36:36,701 --> 00:36:38,369
said."

1090
00:36:40,305 --> 00:36:41,338
When David said he couldn't put

1091
00:36:41,406 --> 00:36:43,073
in about the UCI and about the

1092
00:36:43,141 --> 00:36:45,576
doctors and stuff, I knew I was

1093
00:36:45,644 --> 00:36:48,579
in trouble.

1094
00:36:48,647 --> 00:36:50,114
I realized it was going to be

1095
00:36:50,182 --> 00:36:52,750
more about Lance than cycling.

1096
00:36:52,817 --> 00:36:54,118
So now I was left to Lance's

1097
00:36:54,185 --> 00:36:55,886
wrath on my own.

1098
00:37:12,771 --> 00:37:14,371
We have instigated a lot of

1099
00:37:14,439 --> 00:37:15,172
action here.

1100
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:16,874
Every accusation that's come,

1101
00:37:16,942 --> 00:37:17,875
every case that's come, we've

1102
00:37:17,943 --> 00:37:19,710
sued people, we've opened

1103
00:37:19,778 --> 00:37:21,011
ourselves up for investigation,

1104
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:22,313
we've opened ourself up for

1105
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:23,647
inquiries.

1106
00:37:23,715 --> 00:37:25,015
And our average, our batting

1107
00:37:25,083 --> 00:37:27,618
average in all of them is 1,000.

1108
00:37:27,686 --> 00:37:28,519
Do you have any other

1109
00:37:28,587 --> 00:37:29,553
evidence to suggest that

1110
00:37:29,621 --> 00:37:32,389
Ms. O'Reilly was making up this

1111
00:37:32,457 --> 00:37:34,725
in exchange for money other than

1112
00:37:34,793 --> 00:37:36,660
the fact that she received some

1113
00:37:36,728 --> 00:37:37,294
compensation?

1114
00:37:37,362 --> 00:37:38,162
Emma or Steven?

1115
00:37:38,229 --> 00:37:39,029
Emma.

1116
00:37:39,097 --> 00:37:40,164
Oh, sorry.

1117
00:37:40,231 --> 00:37:41,065
Pissed.

1118
00:37:41,132 --> 00:37:42,666
Pissed at me, pissed at Johan.

1119
00:37:42,734 --> 00:37:43,667
Really pissed at Johan.

1120
00:37:43,735 --> 00:37:46,370
Pissed at the team.

1121
00:37:46,438 --> 00:37:48,005
Afraid that we were going to out

1122
00:37:48,073 --> 00:37:50,341
her as a...

1123
00:37:50,408 --> 00:37:52,242
the thing she said, as a...or

1124
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:54,011
whatever, I don't know.

1125
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:57,047
To call a woman a...is just

1126
00:37:57,115 --> 00:37:58,916
totally unacceptable.

1127
00:37:58,984 --> 00:38:00,651
Um...

1128
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,821
That would be...

1129
00:38:03,888 --> 00:38:07,024
It's hard to be worse than that.

1130
00:38:07,092 --> 00:38:09,360
So why did you do it?

1131
00:38:09,828 --> 00:38:11,562
Um...

1132
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:14,531
Well, you know, I had a version

1133
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,700
of events in my head that I --

1134
00:38:16,768 --> 00:38:18,602
I wasn't trying to say that she

1135
00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:21,372
was a...but...

1136
00:38:21,439 --> 00:38:23,107
Um...well, why did I do it?

1137
00:38:23,174 --> 00:38:24,341
Because I was an idiot and in

1138
00:38:24,409 --> 00:38:25,409
full attack mode.

1139
00:38:25,477 --> 00:38:26,910
That's why I did it, right?

1140
00:38:26,978 --> 00:38:29,680
I would have said anything.

1141
00:38:31,616 --> 00:38:33,884
I couldn't be a different person

1142
00:38:33,952 --> 00:38:36,120
off the bike.

1143
00:38:36,187 --> 00:38:37,121
There was no getting in my way,

1144
00:38:37,188 --> 00:38:38,555
and it worked really, really

1145
00:38:38,623 --> 00:38:42,693
good for training and racing.

1146
00:38:42,761 --> 00:38:43,594
Perfect for that.

1147
00:38:43,662 --> 00:38:45,129
It just doesn't work good when

1148
00:38:45,196 --> 00:38:46,030
you're dealing with another

1149
00:38:46,097 --> 00:38:47,431
human being who's not in the

1150
00:38:47,499 --> 00:38:48,666
race.

1151
00:38:50,869 --> 00:38:52,536
Paris today opened it's heart

1152
00:38:52,604 --> 00:38:53,904
to Texan, Lance Armstrong, who

1153
00:38:53,972 --> 00:38:55,472
now is the first cyclist to win

1154
00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:57,374
the grueling Tour De France six

1155
00:38:57,442 --> 00:38:58,308
times in a row.

1156
00:38:58,376 --> 00:39:00,044
[ Cheers and applause ]

1157
00:39:00,145 --> 00:39:01,211
It's a great feeling.

1158
00:39:01,279 --> 00:39:02,379
Especially nowadays.

1159
00:39:02,447 --> 00:39:03,914
Every year, more and more

1160
00:39:03,982 --> 00:39:04,748
Americans come here on the

1161
00:39:04,816 --> 00:39:05,883
Champs-Elys�es.

1162
00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:08,118
And now it's just lined with

1163
00:39:08,186 --> 00:39:09,820
Americans, American flags, Texas

1164
00:39:09,888 --> 00:39:10,320
flags.

1165
00:39:10,388 --> 00:39:12,289
And almost feel like I'm at home

1166
00:39:12,357 --> 00:39:14,391
standing up there.

1167
00:39:15,994 --> 00:39:18,128
2004 is when the mess

1168
00:39:18,196 --> 00:39:21,398
started, where they were

1169
00:39:21,466 --> 00:39:24,601
breathing down our throats to

1170
00:39:24,669 --> 00:39:26,737
sign a false affidavit

1171
00:39:26,805 --> 00:39:28,439
supporting Lance, smearing

1172
00:39:28,506 --> 00:39:31,308
David Walsh.

1173
00:39:31,409 --> 00:39:33,644
When I refused to do that, it

1174
00:39:33,712 --> 00:39:36,313
was just a snowball.

1175
00:39:36,381 --> 00:39:38,282
Anybody Lance could talk to, to

1176
00:39:38,349 --> 00:39:40,651
smear me, to cast aspersions on

1177
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,619
my character, because he wanted

1178
00:39:42,687 --> 00:39:45,022
to portray me as some sort of

1179
00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:47,357
whacko that you don't want to

1180
00:39:47,425 --> 00:39:50,294
believe her.

1181
00:39:50,361 --> 00:39:52,196
It was all about protecting the

1182
00:39:52,263 --> 00:39:54,164
brand.

1183
00:39:54,232 --> 00:39:56,667
Lance Inc.

1184
00:39:56,735 --> 00:39:58,502
"Cancer survivor."

1185
00:40:01,272 --> 00:40:03,373
If you were not on side with

1186
00:40:03,441 --> 00:40:07,311
the secret, Lance would just

1187
00:40:07,378 --> 00:40:08,479
cease speaking positively of

1188
00:40:08,546 --> 00:40:09,046
you.

1189
00:40:09,114 --> 00:40:10,514
Which you say, "Well, that's no

1190
00:40:10,582 --> 00:40:11,615
big deal."

1191
00:40:11,683 --> 00:40:13,317
But when you're trying to be,

1192
00:40:13,384 --> 00:40:14,618
you know, a television announcer

1193
00:40:14,686 --> 00:40:17,154
for cycling, like Frankie was,

1194
00:40:17,222 --> 00:40:18,856
and the largest star in the

1195
00:40:18,923 --> 00:40:20,357
sport is Lance Armstrong and,

1196
00:40:20,425 --> 00:40:21,725
you know, the producer of the

1197
00:40:21,793 --> 00:40:23,861
show asks him, "Who do you think

1198
00:40:23,928 --> 00:40:25,229
would be a good announcer?"

1199
00:40:25,330 --> 00:40:26,897
And he says, "Oh, well, you

1200
00:40:26,965 --> 00:40:27,831
know, this guy and this guy."

1201
00:40:27,899 --> 00:40:28,799
And then, "What about Frankie?"

1202
00:40:28,867 --> 00:40:30,701
"Ah, mm."

1203
00:40:32,937 --> 00:40:34,204
He's very good at making sure

1204
00:40:34,272 --> 00:40:35,739
he's one step removed from true

1205
00:40:35,807 --> 00:40:38,509
responsibility of his actions.

1206
00:40:40,078 --> 00:40:40,911
You understand that although

1207
00:40:40,979 --> 00:40:42,012
we're in the conference room

1208
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,547
of your lawyers, you are giving

1209
00:40:43,615 --> 00:40:45,382
testimony as if you are in a

1210
00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:46,350
court of law.

1211
00:40:46,417 --> 00:40:47,317
Do you understand that?

1212
00:40:47,385 --> 00:40:49,219
Correct.

1213
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,854
The team at the time, managed by

1214
00:40:50,922 --> 00:40:53,991
Thom Weisel, didn't have the

1215
00:40:54,058 --> 00:40:56,927
money to pay me.

1216
00:40:56,995 --> 00:40:58,996
So they insured all of my

1217
00:40:59,063 --> 00:41:00,764
bonuses, all of my salary

1218
00:41:00,832 --> 00:41:03,233
raises, increases, everything.

1219
00:41:05,103 --> 00:41:06,336
They decided, if this guy's

1220
00:41:06,404 --> 00:41:07,671
defrauding us and he's cheating

1221
00:41:07,739 --> 00:41:09,106
to win these races, they didn't

1222
00:41:09,174 --> 00:41:10,774
want to pay the prize money.

1223
00:41:10,842 --> 00:41:12,543
And so Lance filed suit against

1224
00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:14,611
SCA Promotions, trying to

1225
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,447
collect his prize money.

1226
00:41:17,549 --> 00:41:19,616
Betsy Andreu went under oath,

1227
00:41:19,684 --> 00:41:20,918
Frankie Andreu went under oath.

1228
00:41:20,985 --> 00:41:23,520
They said he admitted to doping

1229
00:41:23,588 --> 00:41:25,055
in 1996.

1230
00:41:25,123 --> 00:41:26,857
Lance denied it.

1231
00:41:26,958 --> 00:41:28,292
Tell us what was said during

1232
00:41:28,359 --> 00:41:29,793
this conversation in the

1233
00:41:29,861 --> 00:41:31,595
Indiana University Hospital

1234
00:41:31,663 --> 00:41:32,963
rooms.

1235
00:41:33,031 --> 00:41:34,064
Lance was diagnosed with

1236
00:41:34,132 --> 00:41:35,365
cancer, so Frankie and I went to

1237
00:41:35,433 --> 00:41:36,967
go visit him.

1238
00:41:37,068 --> 00:41:41,038
And we were in his hospital

1239
00:41:41,105 --> 00:41:42,406
room, but then he was going to

1240
00:41:42,473 --> 00:41:43,373
have a consultation with the

1241
00:41:43,441 --> 00:41:47,544
doctors, so I said, "I think we

1242
00:41:47,612 --> 00:41:48,445
should leave to give you your

1243
00:41:48,513 --> 00:41:50,113
privacy."

1244
00:41:50,181 --> 00:41:51,048
And Lance said, "That's okay,

1245
00:41:51,115 --> 00:41:52,149
you can stay."

1246
00:41:52,217 --> 00:41:53,250
The doctor asked him a couple of

1247
00:41:53,318 --> 00:41:54,751
questions.

1248
00:41:54,819 --> 00:41:56,587
And then came the question,

1249
00:41:56,654 --> 00:41:59,256
"Have you ever taken any

1250
00:41:59,324 --> 00:42:02,259
performance enhancing drugs?"

1251
00:42:02,327 --> 00:42:06,964
And he just nonchalantly rattled

1252
00:42:07,031 --> 00:42:07,931
them off.

1253
00:42:07,999 --> 00:42:09,933
EPO, testosterone, growth

1254
00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:13,270
hormones, steroids, cortisone.

1255
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:16,139
But I just want to make sure.

1256
00:42:16,207 --> 00:42:17,407
It's not that you don't remember

1257
00:42:17,475 --> 00:42:18,408
whether that the

1258
00:42:18,476 --> 00:42:19,943
Indiana Hospital room incident

1259
00:42:20,011 --> 00:42:20,410
occurred.

1260
00:42:20,478 --> 00:42:22,813
It affirmatively did not take

1261
00:42:22,881 --> 00:42:23,347
place?

1262
00:42:23,414 --> 00:42:24,848
No, it didn't.

1263
00:42:24,916 --> 00:42:26,750
How could it have taken place

1264
00:42:26,818 --> 00:42:27,951
when I've never taken

1265
00:42:28,019 --> 00:42:29,486
performance enhancing drugs?

1266
00:42:29,554 --> 00:42:30,754
How could that have happened?

1267
00:42:30,822 --> 00:42:31,455
That was my point.

1268
00:42:31,522 --> 00:42:32,356
It's not just simply you don't

1269
00:42:32,423 --> 00:42:32,856
recall.

1270
00:42:32,924 --> 00:42:33,924
How many times do I have to

1271
00:42:33,992 --> 00:42:34,358
say it?

1272
00:42:34,425 --> 00:42:35,525
I'm just trying to make sure

1273
00:42:35,593 --> 00:42:37,261
your testimony is clear.

1274
00:42:37,328 --> 00:42:38,629
Well, if it can be any

1275
00:42:38,696 --> 00:42:39,763
clearer, then I've never taken

1276
00:42:39,831 --> 00:42:40,864
drugs.

1277
00:42:40,932 --> 00:42:42,199
Then incidents like that could

1278
00:42:42,267 --> 00:42:43,300
never have happened.

1279
00:42:43,368 --> 00:42:43,934
Okay.

1280
00:42:44,002 --> 00:42:46,803
How clear is that?

1281
00:42:46,871 --> 00:42:49,773
Based on those lies, that

1282
00:42:49,841 --> 00:42:51,541
forced the company to settle

1283
00:42:51,609 --> 00:42:52,709
with Lance Armstrong and pay him

1284
00:42:52,777 --> 00:42:54,978
$7.5 million.

1285
00:43:00,184 --> 00:43:03,453
Nobody dopes and is honest.

1286
00:43:03,521 --> 00:43:04,888
You're not.

1287
00:43:04,956 --> 00:43:06,657
The only way you can dope and be

1288
00:43:06,724 --> 00:43:08,292
honest is if nobody ever asks

1289
00:43:08,359 --> 00:43:11,128
you, which is not realistic.

1290
00:43:11,195 --> 00:43:15,899
The second somebody asks you...

1291
00:43:15,967 --> 00:43:18,735
you lie.

1292
00:43:18,803 --> 00:43:24,508
Now, might be one lie because

1293
00:43:24,575 --> 00:43:25,842
you answer it once.

1294
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:26,843
Or in my case, it might be

1295
00:43:26,911 --> 00:43:28,512
10,000 lies because you answer

1296
00:43:28,579 --> 00:43:30,347
it 10,000 times.

1297
00:43:30,415 --> 00:43:31,348
And then you take it a step

1298
00:43:31,416 --> 00:43:33,250
further, and you reinforce it.

1299
00:43:33,318 --> 00:43:34,718
And, "Hey...you, don't ever...

1300
00:43:34,786 --> 00:43:36,820
ask me that question again."

1301
00:43:36,888 --> 00:43:37,921
Right?

1302
00:43:37,989 --> 00:43:38,989
And then you go sue somebody,

1303
00:43:39,057 --> 00:43:40,357
that's another -- and then it

1304
00:43:40,425 --> 00:43:43,360
just -- so that's why it was

1305
00:43:43,428 --> 00:43:45,929
100 times worse.

1306
00:43:45,997 --> 00:43:48,165
Because we all lied.

1307
00:43:54,539 --> 00:43:56,340
The most irrational thing

1308
00:43:56,407 --> 00:43:57,708
I've ever seen him do was in

1309
00:43:57,775 --> 00:43:59,609
2004 when he decided to chase

1310
00:43:59,677 --> 00:44:01,345
down this Italian rider,

1311
00:44:01,412 --> 00:44:03,580
Filippo Simeoni.

1312
00:44:03,648 --> 00:44:05,182
Simeoni had testified against

1313
00:44:05,249 --> 00:44:08,685
Michele Ferrari.

1314
00:44:08,753 --> 00:44:09,786
Ferrari was Lance's coach for

1315
00:44:09,854 --> 00:44:11,088
all seven of those Tours that he

1316
00:44:11,155 --> 00:44:12,656
won.

1317
00:44:20,732 --> 00:44:22,466
Lance chased him down,

1318
00:44:22,533 --> 00:44:25,969
vindictively sat behind him

1319
00:44:26,037 --> 00:44:27,504
mocking him.

1320
00:44:48,826 --> 00:44:49,993
When eventually Simeoni

1321
00:44:50,061 --> 00:44:51,628
came back to the Peloton,

1322
00:44:51,696 --> 00:44:53,430
Lance comes up to the camera

1323
00:44:53,498 --> 00:44:55,098
and does...

1324
00:44:58,169 --> 00:45:01,338
I mean, you cannot get anymore

1325
00:45:01,406 --> 00:45:05,108
fundamentally evil than that.

1326
00:45:05,176 --> 00:45:06,176
The God damn thing about it,

1327
00:45:06,244 --> 00:45:06,910
though, is it was on

1328
00:45:06,978 --> 00:45:08,945
international television.

1329
00:45:09,047 --> 00:45:11,481
It was horrible and should have

1330
00:45:11,549 --> 00:45:13,517
been embarrassing to

1331
00:45:13,584 --> 00:45:14,317
Lance Armstrong.

1332
00:45:14,385 --> 00:45:15,318
But he was at a point in his

1333
00:45:15,386 --> 00:45:16,653
life where he was getting away

1334
00:45:16,721 --> 00:45:17,654
with stuff.

1335
00:45:17,755 --> 00:45:19,823
I think Simeoni has done

1336
00:45:19,891 --> 00:45:21,425
a tremendous injustice to his

1337
00:45:21,492 --> 00:45:23,660
sport and to the people that pay

1338
00:45:23,728 --> 00:45:25,662
his bills.

1339
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:27,197
When you're that protected by

1340
00:45:27,265 --> 00:45:28,498
the organization that runs

1341
00:45:28,566 --> 00:45:31,301
cycling, I mean, you can

1342
00:45:31,369 --> 00:45:32,602
actually take out personal

1343
00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:34,304
vendettas as well as win at the

1344
00:45:34,372 --> 00:45:35,605
same time, and he liked that.

1345
00:45:35,673 --> 00:45:37,274
That was his thing.

1346
00:45:39,110 --> 00:45:40,944
Filippo Simeoni is right up

1347
00:45:41,012 --> 00:45:43,980
there with Emma.

1348
00:45:44,048 --> 00:45:45,215
To stoop to that level, that's

1349
00:45:45,283 --> 00:45:47,150
not what a champion does.

1350
00:45:47,218 --> 00:45:49,953
So I needed to go say sorry

1351
00:45:50,021 --> 00:45:52,489
for that.

1352
00:45:52,557 --> 00:45:55,792
I went there in 2013, so it had

1353
00:45:55,860 --> 00:45:58,128
been nine years.

1354
00:45:58,196 --> 00:46:01,231
He said, "For nine years, my

1355
00:46:01,299 --> 00:46:03,567
entire life is associated with

1356
00:46:03,634 --> 00:46:05,902
you."

1357
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:07,070
This is a guy that was a

1358
00:46:07,138 --> 00:46:08,705
multiple time Italian champion

1359
00:46:08,773 --> 00:46:09,306
at one stage.

1360
00:46:09,373 --> 00:46:12,242
I mean, he'd won some races.

1361
00:46:12,310 --> 00:46:13,343
But everybody remembered that

1362
00:46:13,411 --> 00:46:18,982
day because I was a...

1363
00:46:19,050 --> 00:46:22,686
So it just takes, you know,

1364
00:46:22,753 --> 00:46:23,987
those days and hearing those

1365
00:46:24,055 --> 00:46:27,023
things to learn and to be like,

1366
00:46:27,091 --> 00:46:31,194
"Okay, what you thought was bad

1367
00:46:31,262 --> 00:46:32,896
was way worse."

1368
00:46:39,801 --> 00:46:41,535
Let's welcome Lance Armstrong

1369
00:46:41,603 --> 00:46:42,402
and Johan Bruyneel.

1370
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:45,172
[ Applause ]

1371
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,007
I will cut right to the chase

1372
00:46:47,075 --> 00:46:48,275
and say that after a lot of

1373
00:46:48,343 --> 00:46:50,244
thought, I've decided that the

1374
00:46:50,311 --> 00:46:51,411
Tour De France will be my last

1375
00:46:51,479 --> 00:46:54,348
race as a professional cyclist.

1376
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:56,717
It will be the last one, win or

1377
00:46:56,784 --> 00:46:58,252
lose.

1378
00:47:00,488 --> 00:47:02,022
The biggest inspiration in my

1379
00:47:02,090 --> 00:47:02,956
life now and the biggest

1380
00:47:03,024 --> 00:47:04,057
inspiration in this decision is

1381
00:47:04,125 --> 00:47:07,528
my children.

1382
00:47:07,595 --> 00:47:09,696
Ultimately athletes have to

1383
00:47:09,764 --> 00:47:11,198
retire.

1384
00:47:11,266 --> 00:47:14,434
You can't do it forever.

1385
00:47:14,502 --> 00:47:16,069
My time has come, and there are

1386
00:47:16,137 --> 00:47:16,970
many, many other things that I

1387
00:47:17,038 --> 00:47:19,206
need to do in life, so...

1388
00:47:23,645 --> 00:47:25,479
Lance Armstrong cruised down

1389
00:47:25,547 --> 00:47:26,813
the roads into Paris today to

1390
00:47:26,881 --> 00:47:28,448
claim his seventh victory in the

1391
00:47:28,516 --> 00:47:29,583
Tour De France.

1392
00:47:29,651 --> 00:47:30,651
It was an incredible seven

1393
00:47:30,718 --> 00:47:31,919
years for him.

1394
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:33,554
I mean, God, look at today.

1395
00:47:33,621 --> 00:47:35,155
Four of his teammates crash

1396
00:47:35,223 --> 00:47:36,156
right in front of him, and he

1397
00:47:36,224 --> 00:47:36,990
still stays up.

1398
00:47:37,058 --> 00:47:39,760
I mean, it's incredible.

1399
00:47:39,827 --> 00:47:40,561
The guy -- just he's

1400
00:47:40,628 --> 00:47:41,228
unbreakable.

1401
00:47:41,296 --> 00:47:43,564
He's untouchable, and he's got

1402
00:47:43,631 --> 00:47:44,298
seven wins.

1403
00:47:44,365 --> 00:47:45,465
[ Laughs ]

1404
00:47:47,902 --> 00:47:48,735
Winning seven

1405
00:47:48,803 --> 00:47:49,603
Tour De Frances is not easy.

1406
00:47:49,671 --> 00:47:51,138
That's 21 stages times seven.

1407
00:47:51,205 --> 00:47:52,973
You need, you know, that's more

1408
00:47:53,041 --> 00:47:55,409
than a 100 straight days of not

1409
00:47:55,476 --> 00:47:57,611
crashing, getting sick, making a

1410
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:58,645
strategic blunder, making sure

1411
00:47:58,713 --> 00:48:00,080
your team around you.

1412
00:48:00,181 --> 00:48:01,448
That's extremely difficult to do

1413
00:48:01,516 --> 00:48:02,015
that.

1414
00:48:02,083 --> 00:48:04,318
That takes a brilliant

1415
00:48:04,385 --> 00:48:05,919
competitive mind, a real

1416
00:48:05,987 --> 00:48:08,422
powerful leadership.

1417
00:48:09,424 --> 00:48:11,124
On the other hand, it's not

1418
00:48:11,192 --> 00:48:11,992
clear how well he would have

1419
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:13,460
done if everybody was clean.

1420
00:48:13,528 --> 00:48:16,663
Lance Armstrong!

1421
00:48:16,731 --> 00:48:17,698
But that's what the world

1422
00:48:17,765 --> 00:48:20,634
was, and he succeeded in it.

1423
00:48:20,702 --> 00:48:23,370
The cynics and the skeptics,

1424
00:48:23,438 --> 00:48:24,304
I'm sorry for you.

1425
00:48:24,372 --> 00:48:25,706
I'm sorry you can't dream big.

1426
00:48:25,773 --> 00:48:26,807
And I'm sorry you don't believe

1427
00:48:26,874 --> 00:48:28,041
in miracles.

1428
00:48:28,109 --> 00:48:29,376
But this is one hell of a race.

1429
00:48:29,444 --> 00:48:31,011
This is a great sporting event,

1430
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:32,045
and you should stand around and

1431
00:48:32,113 --> 00:48:32,512
believe.

1432
00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:33,614
You should believe in these

1433
00:48:33,681 --> 00:48:34,615
athletes --

1434
00:48:34,716 --> 00:48:35,649
When Lance Armstrong left the

1435
00:48:35,717 --> 00:48:37,017
Tour De France at the end of

1436
00:48:37,085 --> 00:48:40,887
2005, everything seemed to pale

1437
00:48:40,955 --> 00:48:44,524
into irrelevance.

1438
00:48:44,626 --> 00:48:46,526
He was the film star that

1439
00:48:46,594 --> 00:48:47,728
professional cycling had never

1440
00:48:47,795 --> 00:48:48,061
had.

1441
00:48:48,129 --> 00:48:49,796
He was the most charismatic

1442
00:48:49,864 --> 00:48:51,131
rider that professional cycling

1443
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,899
had ever seen.

1444
00:48:52,967 --> 00:48:54,334
Lance Armstrong's win and

1445
00:48:54,402 --> 00:48:56,169
retirement mean many things, but

1446
00:48:56,237 --> 00:48:57,804
perhaps none more important than

1447
00:48:57,872 --> 00:48:59,573
this -- Americans will never

1448
00:48:59,641 --> 00:49:01,341
have to care about cycling

1449
00:49:01,409 --> 00:49:01,875
again.

1450
00:49:01,943 --> 00:49:03,443
[ Laughter ]

1451
00:49:04,712 --> 00:49:06,413
I think he was just enjoying

1452
00:49:06,481 --> 00:49:09,516
the retired life at that point.

1453
00:49:09,584 --> 00:49:10,917
He and McConaughey were working

1454
00:49:10,985 --> 00:49:13,387
out and just enjoying the beach.

1455
00:49:13,488 --> 00:49:14,921
McConaughey at that time was as

1456
00:49:14,989 --> 00:49:16,223
famous of an actor as you could

1457
00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:17,524
possibly get.

1458
00:49:17,625 --> 00:49:18,558
You walk into a bar or a

1459
00:49:18,626 --> 00:49:20,227
restaurant, and most of the

1460
00:49:20,294 --> 00:49:21,595
people there are like, "I want

1461
00:49:21,663 --> 00:49:22,496
to meet Matthew McConaughey.

1462
00:49:22,563 --> 00:49:23,497
I'm want to have a beer with

1463
00:49:23,564 --> 00:49:24,898
him."

1464
00:49:24,966 --> 00:49:26,933
Lance Armstrong was like a whole

1465
00:49:27,001 --> 00:49:28,268
different level of fame.

1466
00:49:28,336 --> 00:49:29,436
There was not a person in that

1467
00:49:29,504 --> 00:49:30,437
restaurant that didn't want to

1468
00:49:30,505 --> 00:49:32,372
shake his hand, not a bus boy

1469
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,707
who wasn't affected by cancer.

1470
00:49:33,775 --> 00:49:35,442
Like, every single person wanted

1471
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:36,943
to meet Lance Armstrong that

1472
00:49:37,011 --> 00:49:37,778
summer.

1473
00:49:37,845 --> 00:49:39,012
[ Cheering ]

1474
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,114
Fans have decided the ESPY

1475
00:49:41,182 --> 00:49:42,549
goes to...

1476
00:49:42,617 --> 00:49:44,551
Lance Armstrong.

1477
00:49:44,619 --> 00:49:48,055
[ Cheers and applause ]

1478
00:49:48,122 --> 00:49:50,290
He was showing up at parties

1479
00:49:50,358 --> 00:49:52,125
that bike racers don't normally

1480
00:49:52,193 --> 00:49:53,260
go to.

1481
00:49:53,327 --> 00:49:54,194
Thank you, thank you, thank

1482
00:49:54,262 --> 00:49:54,961
you very much.

1483
00:49:55,029 --> 00:49:56,463
It has been amazing hosting

1484
00:49:56,531 --> 00:49:57,731
"Saturday Night Live" this week.

1485
00:49:57,799 --> 00:49:58,765
I would say it's been a tiring

1486
00:49:58,833 --> 00:49:59,599
week.

1487
00:49:59,701 --> 00:50:00,801
He was like the only "A" list

1488
00:50:00,868 --> 00:50:02,569
star in American cycling

1489
00:50:02,637 --> 00:50:04,571
history.

1490
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:06,039
Did you meet any of your

1491
00:50:06,107 --> 00:50:08,108
dad's girlfriends?

1492
00:50:08,209 --> 00:50:10,544
Yeah. Sheryl.

1493
00:50:10,611 --> 00:50:12,879
She was super sweet.

1494
00:50:12,947 --> 00:50:15,949
He dated Tory Burch.

1495
00:50:16,017 --> 00:50:18,318
He dated Kate Hudson.

1496
00:50:18,386 --> 00:50:20,587
And Anna.

1497
00:50:20,688 --> 00:50:22,989
Yeah, he definitely dated

1498
00:50:23,057 --> 00:50:24,291
a few people before me.

1499
00:50:24,358 --> 00:50:27,260
Um...[ Laughs ]

1500
00:50:27,361 --> 00:50:28,795
I've been Lance's partner for

1501
00:50:28,863 --> 00:50:30,664
about 10 years now.

1502
00:50:30,732 --> 00:50:34,434
And we have two kids.

1503
00:50:34,502 --> 00:50:35,502
When Lance and I met, I was

1504
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:37,337
actually living in Vail, working

1505
00:50:37,405 --> 00:50:38,805
with a small non profit, working

1506
00:50:38,873 --> 00:50:40,307
with young adult cancer

1507
00:50:40,374 --> 00:50:43,343
survivors.

1508
00:50:43,411 --> 00:50:46,113
So, yeah, something that kind

1509
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:48,448
of drew us together I think was

1510
00:50:48,516 --> 00:50:51,451
our work in the cancer world.

1511
00:50:54,555 --> 00:50:58,859
[ Water bubbling ]

1512
00:50:58,926 --> 00:51:00,193
A little more Parmesan on

1513
00:51:00,261 --> 00:51:01,461
there, I think, honey.

1514
00:51:01,529 --> 00:51:02,529
Well, you could help out

1515
00:51:02,597 --> 00:51:03,330
with that, honey.

1516
00:51:03,397 --> 00:51:04,297
I'm going to put a few more

1517
00:51:04,365 --> 00:51:05,999
tomatoes on top.

1518
00:51:06,067 --> 00:51:06,867
How do you do that?

1519
00:51:06,934 --> 00:51:07,834
Have you ever peeled

1520
00:51:07,902 --> 00:51:09,936
a potato?

1521
00:51:10,004 --> 00:51:11,138
Uh, no.

1522
00:51:11,205 --> 00:51:11,872
Never done that.

1523
00:51:11,939 --> 00:51:13,306
Sad.

1524
00:51:13,374 --> 00:51:15,709
Guys, how did you meet?

1525
00:51:15,777 --> 00:51:17,043
[ Chuckles ]

1526
00:51:17,111 --> 00:51:17,711
Well...

1527
00:51:17,779 --> 00:51:18,445
[ Laughs ]

1528
00:51:18,513 --> 00:51:21,148
True story.

1529
00:51:21,215 --> 00:51:23,350
It was a snowy night in Denver.

1530
00:51:23,417 --> 00:51:24,217
This is not working.

1531
00:51:24,285 --> 00:51:25,385
That's the only part that's

1532
00:51:25,453 --> 00:51:26,019
true.

1533
00:51:26,087 --> 00:51:27,387
No, you did some nice --

1534
00:51:27,455 --> 00:51:28,622
you did a nice long crawl right

1535
00:51:28,689 --> 00:51:29,689
there.

1536
00:51:29,757 --> 00:51:31,892
Oh, look at that one.

1537
00:51:31,959 --> 00:51:35,328
And she was kind of coming on

1538
00:51:35,396 --> 00:51:37,164
to me at this bar.

1539
00:51:37,231 --> 00:51:41,301
And she chased me down the snowy

1540
00:51:41,369 --> 00:51:42,702
street.

1541
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:45,405
And I was literally running.

1542
00:51:45,473 --> 00:51:47,007
This is not working.

1543
00:51:47,074 --> 00:51:49,643
Um...

1544
00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:50,544
No, you're doing great.

1545
00:51:50,611 --> 00:51:52,145
Okay, let's -- [ Gasps ]

1546
00:51:52,213 --> 00:51:54,848
Oh, no! Oh, my God.

1547
00:51:56,784 --> 00:51:58,985
[ Laughing ] Oh, my God.

1548
00:52:00,755 --> 00:52:02,589
That didn't work very good.

1549
00:52:02,657 --> 00:52:04,724
Oh, my God, there's blood all

1550
00:52:04,792 --> 00:52:05,759
over the place.

1551
00:52:05,827 --> 00:52:08,195
[ Laughs ]

1552
00:52:08,262 --> 00:52:10,263
I wonder how deep that is.

1553
00:52:10,331 --> 00:52:13,433
You got blood on my cheese.

1554
00:52:13,501 --> 00:52:14,734
Call some doctor friend of

1555
00:52:14,802 --> 00:52:15,836
ours.

1556
00:52:15,903 --> 00:52:17,604
Please, right now!

1557
00:52:17,672 --> 00:52:18,505
We have all these friends --

1558
00:52:18,573 --> 00:52:19,506
Why is this happening right

1559
00:52:19,574 --> 00:52:19,840
now?

1560
00:52:19,907 --> 00:52:21,208
No, call some doctor person

1561
00:52:21,275 --> 00:52:22,008
friend.

1562
00:52:22,076 --> 00:52:23,109
This is an emergency.

1563
00:52:23,177 --> 00:52:24,077
I'm actually getting a little

1564
00:52:24,145 --> 00:52:25,445
queasy.

1565
00:52:25,513 --> 00:52:26,947
I swear to God.

1566
00:52:27,014 --> 00:52:29,015
Hey, 911!

1567
00:52:29,083 --> 00:52:29,950
What's happening?

1568
00:52:30,017 --> 00:52:32,219
911. Doc, 911.

1569
00:52:32,286 --> 00:52:33,920
Here it is. Are you ready?

1570
00:52:33,988 --> 00:52:35,522
Right on the end.

1571
00:52:35,590 --> 00:52:37,858
Just the tip.

1572
00:52:37,925 --> 00:52:40,026
You know, I would just wrap

1573
00:52:40,094 --> 00:52:41,394
that thing pretty tight.

1574
00:52:41,462 --> 00:52:43,096
Just wrap it tight as...

1575
00:52:43,164 --> 00:52:45,098
Tight as...There you go.

1576
00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:46,933
Okay, alright.

1577
00:52:47,001 --> 00:52:47,901
Yeah, this isn't rocket

1578
00:52:47,969 --> 00:52:49,102
science, really.

1579
00:52:49,170 --> 00:52:51,972
Ugh!

1580
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:53,073
Alright, let's wrap this...

1581
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:54,307
up.

1582
00:52:54,375 --> 00:52:54,975
Stop it!

1583
00:52:55,042 --> 00:52:55,942
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry,

1584
00:52:56,010 --> 00:52:56,309
sorry.

1585
00:52:56,377 --> 00:52:57,277
I think when you're wounded,

1586
00:52:57,345 --> 00:52:58,979
you can cuss without --

1587
00:52:59,046 --> 00:53:00,614
Max, I'm seriously injured,

1588
00:53:00,681 --> 00:53:01,047
bro.

1589
00:53:01,115 --> 00:53:02,949
Okay, well, fine.

1590
00:53:03,017 --> 00:53:03,717
Can I cuss?

1591
00:53:03,784 --> 00:53:05,285
Uh...

1592
00:53:05,353 --> 00:53:06,419
No.

1593
00:53:06,487 --> 00:53:07,387
Why are you taping it?

1594
00:53:07,455 --> 00:53:09,789
Okay, then you can't cuss.

1595
00:53:11,993 --> 00:53:13,126
I just wonder who's going to

1596
00:53:13,194 --> 00:53:15,161
have the bite of the salad with

1597
00:53:15,229 --> 00:53:17,297
my finger tip in it.

1598
00:53:17,365 --> 00:53:18,498
Ew, do you think it's in the

1599
00:53:18,566 --> 00:53:18,999
salad?

1600
00:53:19,066 --> 00:53:19,900
Yes.

1601
00:53:19,967 --> 00:53:21,067
[ Gasps ] Oh, my God!

1602
00:53:21,135 --> 00:53:22,235
We can't serve that.

1603
00:53:22,303 --> 00:53:25,505
That's disgusting.

1604
00:53:25,573 --> 00:53:26,573
How annoying is this finger,

1605
00:53:26,641 --> 00:53:27,974
Nick?

1606
00:53:28,042 --> 00:53:29,075
Should I put it down?

1607
00:53:29,143 --> 00:53:30,410
I'll put this hand up.

1608
00:53:30,478 --> 00:53:32,812
I need to elevate it.

1609
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:39,953
My parents got divorced when

1610
00:53:40,021 --> 00:53:41,788
I was 1 years old, so I was a

1611
00:53:41,856 --> 00:53:44,024
little baby.

1612
00:53:44,091 --> 00:53:44,958
I never had to, like, deal with

1613
00:53:45,026 --> 00:53:46,526
it because I don't even remember

1614
00:53:46,594 --> 00:53:50,330
them being together.

1615
00:53:50,398 --> 00:53:51,464
Kristin and I divorced

1616
00:53:51,532 --> 00:53:56,670
in 2003, which was not pleasant.

1617
00:53:56,737 --> 00:53:58,605
The girls were still in diapers.

1618
00:54:02,443 --> 00:54:03,109
I will take

1619
00:54:03,177 --> 00:54:04,277
all of the responsibility

1620
00:54:04,345 --> 00:54:06,880
for saying, "I'm out."

1621
00:54:06,948 --> 00:54:08,949
You know, that was

1622
00:54:09,016 --> 00:54:10,450
my M.O. at the time, still is a

1623
00:54:10,518 --> 00:54:11,952
layer of that to me, where it's

1624
00:54:12,019 --> 00:54:13,386
like, "I'm out," you know.

1625
00:54:13,454 --> 00:54:15,021
And she didn't say "I'm out."

1626
00:54:15,089 --> 00:54:16,957
She wanted to figure it out.

1627
00:54:17,024 --> 00:54:20,894
And I just said, "no, I'm out."

1628
00:54:20,962 --> 00:54:22,395
Then I have this relationship

1629
00:54:22,463 --> 00:54:23,563
with Sheryl

1630
00:54:23,631 --> 00:54:26,833
that lasted for years.

1631
00:54:26,901 --> 00:54:28,168
Kristin's going,

1632
00:54:28,235 --> 00:54:30,236
"Wait a minute.

1633
00:54:30,304 --> 00:54:31,037
We just got divorced,

1634
00:54:31,105 --> 00:54:32,472
and now I'm reading in every

1635
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:33,873
news outlet in the world

1636
00:54:33,941 --> 00:54:35,508
about my ex-husband,

1637
00:54:35,576 --> 00:54:36,576
the father of my three kids,

1638
00:54:36,644 --> 00:54:38,878
with this rock star."

1639
00:54:38,946 --> 00:54:41,815
It couldn't have been easy.

1640
00:54:41,882 --> 00:54:43,316
And the irony is

1641
00:54:43,384 --> 00:54:47,587
I wasn't that happy.

1642
00:54:47,655 --> 00:54:49,756
This is why I so do not miss

1643
00:54:49,824 --> 00:54:51,091
living with or loving

1644
00:54:51,158 --> 00:54:52,058
or being in a relationship

1645
00:54:52,126 --> 00:54:54,494
with anybody else famous, is in

1646
00:54:54,562 --> 00:54:56,997
those situations, you just can't

1647
00:54:57,064 --> 00:54:58,198
get out.

1648
00:54:58,265 --> 00:54:59,232
And then you're afraid.

1649
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:00,700
You're afraid to break the

1650
00:55:00,768 --> 00:55:02,235
cycle, and you just stay in.

1651
00:55:02,303 --> 00:55:03,203
And I did it.

1652
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:04,404
I did it way too long.

1653
00:55:04,472 --> 00:55:06,106
I should have just said, "No,

1654
00:55:06,173 --> 00:55:08,208
I can't do this anymore."

1655
00:55:08,275 --> 00:55:09,242
And for that, I'm actually

1656
00:55:09,310 --> 00:55:09,876
really sorry.

1657
00:55:09,944 --> 00:55:10,677
I should have said

1658
00:55:10,745 --> 00:55:14,881
that a lot earlier.

1659
00:55:14,949 --> 00:55:17,350
I should have been honest.

1660
00:55:21,389 --> 00:55:22,622
Well, the yellow jerseys,

1661
00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:23,390
the excitement,

1662
00:55:23,457 --> 00:55:24,691
the race to the finish,

1663
00:55:24,759 --> 00:55:26,259
everything is in place for the

1664
00:55:26,327 --> 00:55:27,861
Tour de France, except the big

1665
00:55:27,928 --> 00:55:29,195
star.

1666
00:55:29,263 --> 00:55:30,530
Both riders and fans

1667
00:55:30,598 --> 00:55:31,698
have been looking forward to the

1668
00:55:31,766 --> 00:55:35,468
opening of the post-Lance era.

1669
00:55:35,536 --> 00:55:36,903
Armstrong was finally gone.

1670
00:55:36,971 --> 00:55:37,937
And it looked as though

1671
00:55:38,005 --> 00:55:39,906
Jan Ullrich was going to win.

1672
00:55:39,974 --> 00:55:41,274
He was in the best condition

1673
00:55:41,342 --> 00:55:43,610
he had been in for a decade.

1674
00:55:43,677 --> 00:55:45,045
So he had gone to the

1675
00:55:45,112 --> 00:55:48,048
Tour of Italy to prepare.

1676
00:55:48,115 --> 00:55:49,282
Towards the end of that

1677
00:55:49,350 --> 00:55:50,116
Tour of Italy,

1678
00:55:50,184 --> 00:55:51,384
there was a huge story

1679
00:55:51,452 --> 00:55:52,786
that broke in Spain,

1680
00:55:52,853 --> 00:55:54,821
that a doctor by the name of

1681
00:55:54,889 --> 00:55:56,756
Eufemiano Fuentes had been

1682
00:55:56,824 --> 00:55:58,992
arrested.

1683
00:55:59,060 --> 00:55:59,993
It doesn't get any bigger.

1684
00:56:00,061 --> 00:56:01,261
After 34 years, I think this

1685
00:56:01,328 --> 00:56:02,595
will become the biggest drugs

1686
00:56:02,663 --> 00:56:03,997
scandal ever within the sport of

1687
00:56:04,065 --> 00:56:05,331
cycling.

1688
00:56:05,399 --> 00:56:06,766
Despite proclaiming their

1689
00:56:06,834 --> 00:56:08,068
innocence, both Basso and

1690
00:56:08,135 --> 00:56:09,436
Ullrich, two of the sport's

1691
00:56:09,503 --> 00:56:11,071
superstars, were pulled from the

1692
00:56:11,138 --> 00:56:12,605
race after their names appeared

1693
00:56:12,673 --> 00:56:13,907
in a 500-page --

1694
00:56:13,974 --> 00:56:14,908
That was the last time that

1695
00:56:14,975 --> 00:56:15,942
Jan Ullrich was ever seen

1696
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:20,080
at a professional bike race.

1697
00:56:20,181 --> 00:56:22,415
He exited stage left

1698
00:56:22,483 --> 00:56:24,984
in an Audi driven by his brother

1699
00:56:25,052 --> 00:56:27,253
at about 5:00 in the afternoon

1700
00:56:27,321 --> 00:56:28,922
the day before the Tour was due

1701
00:56:28,989 --> 00:56:29,689
to start.

1702
00:56:29,757 --> 00:56:30,957
And most of us

1703
00:56:31,025 --> 00:56:34,494
never saw him again.

1704
00:56:34,562 --> 00:56:36,296
Others' ambitions may also

1705
00:56:36,363 --> 00:56:37,363
now be realized.

1706
00:56:37,431 --> 00:56:38,965
Another American, Floyd Landis

1707
00:56:39,033 --> 00:56:40,200
on the Phonak team,

1708
00:56:40,267 --> 00:56:41,267
may have better fortunes

1709
00:56:41,335 --> 00:56:42,702
on the Tour with Armstrong gone

1710
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:43,503
and the front runners

1711
00:56:43,571 --> 00:56:46,106
eliminated.

1712
00:56:46,173 --> 00:56:47,540
Look at the sweat coursing

1713
00:56:47,608 --> 00:56:49,175
down the face of Floyd Landis.

1714
00:56:49,243 --> 00:56:50,276
This has been a day

1715
00:56:50,344 --> 00:56:51,678
and a half for him.

1716
00:56:51,745 --> 00:56:52,979
A man who was dead on

1717
00:56:53,047 --> 00:56:54,214
his wheels yesterday

1718
00:56:54,281 --> 00:56:56,216
is now just like a superman

1719
00:56:56,283 --> 00:56:57,984
of the world of cycling.

1720
00:56:58,052 --> 00:56:59,319
Here he comes. Wait for it.

1721
00:56:59,386 --> 00:57:00,653
After seven years

1722
00:57:00,721 --> 00:57:02,322
of Lance Armstrong.

1723
00:57:02,389 --> 00:57:03,356
And they all thought there was

1724
00:57:03,424 --> 00:57:04,624
going to be no more Americans

1725
00:57:04,692 --> 00:57:05,492
for a while.

1726
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:06,559
They were wrong.

1727
00:57:06,627 --> 00:57:08,128
Floyd Landis steps up

1728
00:57:08,195 --> 00:57:10,296
to take the Tour de France.

1729
00:57:10,397 --> 00:57:11,698
Lance, I'm sure he wasn't

1730
00:57:11,765 --> 00:57:12,732
happy that I won the race,

1731
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,868
because he had told me directly

1732
00:57:14,935 --> 00:57:16,336
to my face in previous years,

1733
00:57:16,403 --> 00:57:17,403
that no American was

1734
00:57:17,471 --> 00:57:19,005
going to win the Tour de France

1735
00:57:19,073 --> 00:57:20,240
while he had the control

1736
00:57:20,307 --> 00:57:22,909
of the sport that he had.

1737
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:24,477
I honestly don't remember

1738
00:57:24,545 --> 00:57:25,745
much of it.

1739
00:57:25,813 --> 00:57:27,647
[ Laughs ]

1740
00:57:27,715 --> 00:57:28,515
It's been a long time,

1741
00:57:28,582 --> 00:57:30,083
and I spent so much time

1742
00:57:30,151 --> 00:57:32,352
trying not to think about it.

1743
00:57:32,419 --> 00:57:33,186
I remember it happening

1744
00:57:33,254 --> 00:57:34,487
like it was a dream.

1745
00:57:34,555 --> 00:57:37,357
The rest of it

1746
00:57:37,424 --> 00:57:41,094
went badly after that.

1747
00:57:41,162 --> 00:57:42,028
The Tour's winner

1748
00:57:42,096 --> 00:57:43,863
Floyd Landis tested positive

1749
00:57:43,931 --> 00:57:44,898
for testosterone

1750
00:57:44,965 --> 00:57:49,269
following his dramatic victory.

1751
00:57:49,336 --> 00:57:51,604
I deserved to win the race.

1752
00:57:51,672 --> 00:57:53,606
And that was what

1753
00:57:53,674 --> 00:57:54,574
I set out to do --

1754
00:57:54,642 --> 00:57:56,676
for me, not for anybody else.

1755
00:57:56,744 --> 00:57:58,344
It's unfortunate that

1756
00:57:58,412 --> 00:57:59,612
the public has a misconception

1757
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:00,446
of what's going on here.

1758
00:58:00,514 --> 00:58:03,283
But that's out of my control.

1759
00:58:03,350 --> 00:58:04,450
It's hard lying to people.

1760
00:58:04,518 --> 00:58:05,285
I don't like --

1761
00:58:05,352 --> 00:58:06,085
I'm not very good at it.

1762
00:58:06,153 --> 00:58:07,253
Lance is very, very good at it.

1763
00:58:07,321 --> 00:58:08,421
Frankly, he's better at lying

1764
00:58:08,489 --> 00:58:09,622
than he is telling the truth.

1765
00:58:09,690 --> 00:58:10,590
He's very uncomfortable

1766
00:58:10,658 --> 00:58:11,224
being himself.

1767
00:58:11,292 --> 00:58:12,191
But I wasn't good at it.

1768
00:58:12,259 --> 00:58:13,426
And that's what he was trying to

1769
00:58:13,494 --> 00:58:14,394
give me instructions on.

1770
00:58:14,461 --> 00:58:15,595
Like, "Hey Floyd, look, you have

1771
00:58:15,663 --> 00:58:16,863
to be more assertive with this."

1772
00:58:16,931 --> 00:58:18,197
And I just wasn't good at it.

1773
00:58:18,265 --> 00:58:19,265
I declare convincingly

1774
00:58:19,333 --> 00:58:20,633
and categorically that

1775
00:58:20,701 --> 00:58:22,635
my winning the Tour de France

1776
00:58:22,703 --> 00:58:23,570
has been exclusively

1777
00:58:23,637 --> 00:58:24,804
due to many years of training

1778
00:58:24,872 --> 00:58:26,940
and my complete devotion

1779
00:58:27,007 --> 00:58:28,541
to cycling.

1780
00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:34,614
[ Camera shutters clicking ]

1781
00:58:34,682 --> 00:58:36,249
He got torn apart.

1782
00:58:36,317 --> 00:58:38,251
He just ultimately was just

1783
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:39,819
ground down.

1784
00:58:39,887 --> 00:58:41,254
People I know would be like,

1785
00:58:41,322 --> 00:58:42,956
"you know, I heard Floyd's

1786
00:58:43,023 --> 00:58:44,390
living in someone's basement,

1787
00:58:44,458 --> 00:58:45,592
and he's drunk every day

1788
00:58:45,659 --> 00:58:48,661
by lunchtime."

1789
00:58:48,729 --> 00:58:49,462
I had hip surgery.

1790
00:58:49,530 --> 00:58:51,164
I had my hip replaced I think

1791
00:58:51,231 --> 00:58:53,066
two weeks after the Tour.

1792
00:58:53,133 --> 00:58:54,334
At that point, they gave me a

1793
00:58:54,401 --> 00:58:55,668
bunch of Vicodin and narcotics

1794
00:58:55,736 --> 00:58:56,269
and stuff.

1795
00:58:56,337 --> 00:58:57,070
So that helped.

1796
00:58:57,137 --> 00:58:58,304
I could just drink and check

1797
00:58:58,372 --> 00:58:59,305
out.

1798
00:58:59,373 --> 00:59:01,341
[ Indistinct conversations ]

1799
00:59:01,408 --> 00:59:02,408
I know I shouldn't say that

1800
00:59:02,476 --> 00:59:02,809
helped.

1801
00:59:02,876 --> 00:59:03,843
I mean, I'm not by no means

1802
00:59:03,911 --> 00:59:04,677
promoting the stuff.

1803
00:59:04,745 --> 00:59:06,913
But honestly in a twisted way,

1804
00:59:06,981 --> 00:59:08,081
it probably kept me alive

1805
00:59:08,148 --> 00:59:09,616
because I just could check out.

1806
00:59:22,155 --> 00:59:23,522
Hey, everybody.

1807
00:59:23,590 --> 00:59:24,357
I know there's been a lot of

1808
00:59:24,424 --> 00:59:25,791
reports in the media today about

1809
00:59:25,859 --> 00:59:28,260
a possible return to racing.

1810
00:59:28,328 --> 00:59:29,195
Just want to let you know that

1811
00:59:29,262 --> 00:59:32,598
after long talks with my kids,

1812
00:59:32,666 --> 00:59:33,966
the rest of my family,

1813
00:59:34,034 --> 00:59:35,701
close group of friends,

1814
00:59:35,769 --> 00:59:37,303
I have decided to return

1815
00:59:37,371 --> 00:59:39,672
to professional cycling in 2009.

1816
00:59:39,740 --> 00:59:40,640
Lance Armstrong

1817
00:59:40,707 --> 00:59:42,041
is officially coming back.

1818
00:59:42,109 --> 00:59:43,542
Lance Armstrong announced

1819
00:59:43,610 --> 00:59:45,011
today he's coming out

1820
00:59:45,078 --> 00:59:46,812
of a three-year-long retirement.

1821
00:59:46,913 --> 00:59:49,048
I said, "you are f'ing

1822
00:59:49,116 --> 00:59:50,950
crazy.

1823
00:59:51,018 --> 00:59:52,184
Why would you do that?"

1824
00:59:52,252 --> 00:59:53,052
He's like I'm coming back.

1825
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,487
I was like, "oh..."

1826
00:59:54,554 --> 00:59:55,888
[ Laughs ]

1827
00:59:55,956 --> 00:59:57,490
You've got to be kidding me.

1828
00:59:57,557 --> 00:59:59,225
Why would you ever jeopardize

1829
00:59:59,292 --> 01:00:00,893
that legacy

1830
01:00:00,961 --> 01:00:02,395
to maybe win one more?

1831
01:00:02,462 --> 01:00:04,363
Like, I think I was looking at

1832
01:00:04,431 --> 01:00:05,297
it as like,

1833
01:00:05,365 --> 01:00:08,668
"wow, how audacious."

1834
01:00:08,735 --> 01:00:09,835
For one moment, I thought,

1835
01:00:09,903 --> 01:00:11,003
"man, that is so audacious.

1836
01:00:11,071 --> 01:00:12,338
Is it possible I've been wrong,

1837
01:00:12,406 --> 01:00:13,305
and he has been clean

1838
01:00:13,373 --> 01:00:14,040
the whole time?

1839
01:00:14,107 --> 01:00:15,374
Because if he hasn't, this

1840
01:00:15,442 --> 01:00:17,043
is ridiculous."

1841
01:00:17,110 --> 01:00:18,577
He had gotten away with it up

1842
01:00:18,645 --> 01:00:21,080
to that point, you know.

1843
01:00:21,148 --> 01:00:23,683
And if he would have just

1844
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:24,583
shut the...up,

1845
01:00:24,651 --> 01:00:28,654
it would have been okay.

1846
01:00:28,722 --> 01:00:30,156
When I was younger I used

1847
01:00:30,223 --> 01:00:31,691
to be like, "oh, like, why would

1848
01:00:31,758 --> 01:00:33,059
Michael Jordan try baseball?

1849
01:00:33,126 --> 01:00:34,326
You know, why does an old

1850
01:00:34,394 --> 01:00:35,761
heavyweight walk into the ring

1851
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:37,196
and then get knocked out when

1852
01:00:37,264 --> 01:00:38,330
they already have made

1853
01:00:38,398 --> 01:00:39,665
millions?"

1854
01:00:39,766 --> 01:00:41,200
And now I sort of realize that

1855
01:00:41,268 --> 01:00:42,702
if you spent your whole life

1856
01:00:42,769 --> 01:00:44,437
training to be an elite athlete

1857
01:00:44,504 --> 01:00:45,905
and you've succeeded,

1858
01:00:45,972 --> 01:00:46,839
you don't want to stop

1859
01:00:46,907 --> 01:00:48,274
until someone, like, literally

1860
01:00:48,341 --> 01:00:52,745
takes it away from you.

1861
01:00:52,813 --> 01:00:58,184
Summer of 2008, I was bored.

1862
01:00:58,251 --> 01:00:59,385
For whatever reason, I started

1863
01:00:59,453 --> 01:01:01,220
working out a lot more.

1864
01:01:01,288 --> 01:01:02,421
And I was getting in shape, and

1865
01:01:02,489 --> 01:01:03,522
I was like, "oh, this feels

1866
01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:07,727
good."

1867
01:01:07,794 --> 01:01:09,962
I watched the Tour,

1868
01:01:10,030 --> 01:01:10,963
and Carlos Sastre

1869
01:01:11,031 --> 01:01:14,300
won the Tour de France.

1870
01:01:14,367 --> 01:01:15,401
Carlos Sastre -- I mean, that

1871
01:01:15,469 --> 01:01:17,636
was like, "oh, my God.

1872
01:01:17,704 --> 01:01:19,472
Carlos Sastre?"

1873
01:01:19,539 --> 01:01:20,973
[ Chuckles ]

1874
01:01:21,041 --> 01:01:22,274
Me sitting there in 2008

1875
01:01:22,342 --> 01:01:23,976
was like, "he is not a worthy

1876
01:01:24,044 --> 01:01:26,145
champion of that event.

1877
01:01:26,213 --> 01:01:29,048
And so if he can win,

1878
01:01:29,116 --> 01:01:31,984
then I can go back and win."

1879
01:01:32,085 --> 01:01:33,719
Was the general consensus

1880
01:01:33,787 --> 01:01:35,988
that he rode clean?

1881
01:01:36,056 --> 01:01:37,456
I don't know.

1882
01:01:37,524 --> 01:01:41,494
Once again, he didn't fail a

1883
01:01:41,561 --> 01:01:42,762
test.

1884
01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:46,098
But I'm very skeptical.

1885
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:48,067
And the main reason

1886
01:01:48,135 --> 01:01:50,169
I'm skeptical is "A,"

1887
01:01:50,237 --> 01:01:52,605
experience.

1888
01:01:52,672 --> 01:01:55,007
"B," he had continued to consult

1889
01:01:55,075 --> 01:01:56,642
with Michele Ferrari

1890
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:58,611
during that time.

1891
01:01:58,678 --> 01:02:00,846
Yeah, Michele Ferrari

1892
01:02:00,914 --> 01:02:02,014
writes great training plans.

1893
01:02:02,082 --> 01:02:04,683
But you don't go to him

1894
01:02:04,751 --> 01:02:06,952
solely for the training.

1895
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:10,189
Michele Ferrari said to me,

1896
01:02:10,257 --> 01:02:12,525
"you cannot cross the line.

1897
01:02:12,592 --> 01:02:14,126
They will get you."

1898
01:02:17,798 --> 01:02:20,366
Jean-Marie LeBlanc writes

1899
01:02:20,433 --> 01:02:22,968
an open letter to me

1900
01:02:23,036 --> 01:02:25,171
telling me not to come back.

1901
01:02:36,616 --> 01:02:37,516
Jean-Marie LeBlanc

1902
01:02:37,584 --> 01:02:38,984
was the most iconic director

1903
01:02:39,052 --> 01:02:40,886
of the Tour ever.

1904
01:02:40,954 --> 01:02:42,488
You know, he knew how the game

1905
01:02:42,556 --> 01:02:45,457
was played.

1906
01:02:45,525 --> 01:02:49,728
I was numb reading it.

1907
01:02:49,796 --> 01:02:50,896
I remember him sitting there

1908
01:02:50,964 --> 01:02:53,465
at this caf� asking me, like,

1909
01:02:53,533 --> 01:02:55,301
"What do you think I should do?"

1910
01:02:55,402 --> 01:02:56,502
I was trying to explain

1911
01:02:56,570 --> 01:02:59,972
to her, who was new to my life,

1912
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,473
that this really feels

1913
01:03:01,541 --> 01:03:03,576
like a bad idea.

1914
01:03:03,643 --> 01:03:05,911
I should have just picked up

1915
01:03:05,979 --> 01:03:07,012
the phone and called everybody

1916
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,349
and said, "Not doing it.

1917
01:03:10,417 --> 01:03:14,854
Not feeling it."

1918
01:03:14,921 --> 01:03:15,754
That would have been the smart

1919
01:03:15,822 --> 01:03:17,356
thing to do.

1920
01:03:17,424 --> 01:03:18,858
I'd have had two days of really

1921
01:03:18,925 --> 01:03:23,329
negative press, speculation.

1922
01:03:23,396 --> 01:03:24,430
But I would have dodged

1923
01:03:24,497 --> 01:03:27,900
everything.

1924
01:03:27,968 --> 01:03:28,734
It was exciting

1925
01:03:28,802 --> 01:03:31,403
for a little bit.

1926
01:03:31,471 --> 01:03:33,505
But it quickly got

1927
01:03:33,573 --> 01:03:35,674
kind of weird.

1928
01:03:35,742 --> 01:03:36,942
I came back

1929
01:03:37,010 --> 01:03:41,447
to Johan Bruyneel's team.

1930
01:03:41,514 --> 01:03:42,915
But the team that he was running

1931
01:03:42,983 --> 01:03:45,417
at the time was from Kazakhstan,

1932
01:03:45,485 --> 01:03:46,685
sponsored by Astana,

1933
01:03:46,753 --> 01:03:49,889
the capital.

1934
01:03:49,956 --> 01:03:50,856
And so it was this mix

1935
01:03:50,924 --> 01:03:53,792
of Kazakhs and Spaniards.

1936
01:03:53,894 --> 01:03:55,294
He had Alberto Contador

1937
01:03:55,362 --> 01:03:56,362
on the team...

1938
01:03:56,429 --> 01:03:59,365
[ Speaking Spanish ]

1939
01:03:59,432 --> 01:04:01,100
...who had won the Tour before.

1940
01:04:01,201 --> 01:04:04,570
And it was just -- mm.

1941
01:04:04,638 --> 01:04:07,373
It was -- I got to training camp

1942
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:08,641
in Spain, and I was like,

1943
01:04:08,708 --> 01:04:13,779
"this is...lame."

1944
01:04:13,847 --> 01:04:15,948
But Alberto Contador now

1945
01:04:16,016 --> 01:04:17,650
is establishing himself as

1946
01:04:17,717 --> 01:04:19,418
the leader of the Astana team.

1947
01:04:19,486 --> 01:04:21,453
Alberto Contador has decided

1948
01:04:21,521 --> 01:04:22,488
he wants to lay down the

1949
01:04:22,555 --> 01:04:23,789
foundations of a win number two

1950
01:04:23,857 --> 01:04:24,890
of the Tour de France this

1951
01:04:24,958 --> 01:04:26,125
afternoon.

1952
01:04:26,192 --> 01:04:27,126
Out of the saddle he gets.

1953
01:04:27,193 --> 01:04:28,661
Once again, lifts the pace up.

1954
01:04:28,728 --> 01:04:30,462
Armstrong is defending here

1955
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:31,163
this afternoon.

1956
01:04:31,231 --> 01:04:32,431
He hasn't really lost all that

1957
01:04:32,499 --> 01:04:32,798
much.

1958
01:04:32,866 --> 01:04:33,933
When you look at the riders

1959
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,568
who he is racing...

1960
01:04:36,636 --> 01:04:38,070
Contador wins the Tour,

1961
01:04:38,138 --> 01:04:39,672
his own teammate.

1962
01:04:39,739 --> 01:04:41,240
And rather than celebrating

1963
01:04:41,308 --> 01:04:43,108
the fact that, "gee, I came back

1964
01:04:43,176 --> 01:04:44,476
after a big break and came

1965
01:04:44,544 --> 01:04:46,979
in third in the Tour de France,"

1966
01:04:47,047 --> 01:04:50,282
he looks totally...pissed.

1967
01:05:01,895 --> 01:05:03,829
Floyd was trying to come back

1968
01:05:03,897 --> 01:05:05,597
after his suspension.

1969
01:05:05,699 --> 01:05:07,433
He went to Lance and Johan

1970
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:08,534
and said, "hey, can you put me

1971
01:05:08,601 --> 01:05:10,169
back on the team?"

1972
01:05:10,270 --> 01:05:11,370
I think, you know, he wasn't

1973
01:05:11,438 --> 01:05:12,938
even looking for a big salary.

1974
01:05:13,006 --> 01:05:14,873
"I just want to race my bike."

1975
01:05:14,941 --> 01:05:16,008
They said, "no, we can't.

1976
01:05:16,076 --> 01:05:17,309
You know, you're radioactive.

1977
01:05:17,377 --> 01:05:20,679
We can't touch you."

1978
01:05:20,780 --> 01:05:22,147
End of 2009,

1979
01:05:22,215 --> 01:05:23,716
we started this new team.

1980
01:05:23,783 --> 01:05:25,985
Even if I want, I can't,

1981
01:05:26,052 --> 01:05:29,021
because number one,

1982
01:05:29,089 --> 01:05:32,191
there was I think 12 or 14 teams

1983
01:05:32,258 --> 01:05:34,326
who had signed a private deal

1984
01:05:34,394 --> 01:05:36,228
with the Tour de France.

1985
01:05:36,329 --> 01:05:37,196
Of course, Radio Shack

1986
01:05:37,263 --> 01:05:37,896
was a new team.

1987
01:05:37,964 --> 01:05:39,164
We were not part of that deal.

1988
01:05:39,232 --> 01:05:41,967
So we needed an invitation.

1989
01:05:42,035 --> 01:05:43,469
Even if we were pro Tour,

1990
01:05:43,536 --> 01:05:44,403
we needed an invitation.

1991
01:05:44,471 --> 01:05:46,839
So I knew for a fact

1992
01:05:46,906 --> 01:05:48,640
if I sign Landis,

1993
01:05:48,708 --> 01:05:49,641
we're not getting an invitation

1994
01:05:49,709 --> 01:05:51,176
to the Tour.

1995
01:05:51,244 --> 01:05:54,079
And I knew it was a time bomb.

1996
01:05:54,147 --> 01:05:55,814
But what do you want me to do?

1997
01:06:02,288 --> 01:06:03,555
Floyd felt betrayed.

1998
01:06:03,623 --> 01:06:05,190
Like, "hey, we all did

1999
01:06:05,258 --> 01:06:06,425
the same thing.

2000
01:06:06,493 --> 01:06:07,559
I got caught.

2001
01:06:07,627 --> 01:06:09,762
You could have gotten caught.

2002
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:10,763
I know your secrets.

2003
01:06:10,830 --> 01:06:12,264
You know my secrets.

2004
01:06:12,332 --> 01:06:13,732
And, you know, you should be

2005
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:14,767
looking out for me.

2006
01:06:14,834 --> 01:06:16,402
And instead, you're turning your

2007
01:06:16,469 --> 01:06:17,736
back on me."

2008
01:06:17,837 --> 01:06:19,571
Everyone is hopeful,

2009
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:21,774
like Floyd was, that he's going

2010
01:06:21,841 --> 01:06:23,609
to come back after two years.

2011
01:06:23,710 --> 01:06:25,911
In cycling, they call it

2012
01:06:25,979 --> 01:06:27,012
"omert�."

2013
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,580
It's like the mafia.

2014
01:06:28,648 --> 01:06:30,115
But with the mafia, the mafia,

2015
01:06:30,183 --> 01:06:31,517
if you have a problem,

2016
01:06:31,584 --> 01:06:33,852
the mafia would tell you

2017
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,587
be quiet, don't say anything.

2018
01:06:35,655 --> 01:06:37,423
We take care of your family.

2019
01:06:37,490 --> 01:06:38,624
You know, all organized,

2020
01:06:38,691 --> 01:06:39,291
don't worry.

2021
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:40,726
And you come back when you're

2022
01:06:40,794 --> 01:06:42,194
out of prison.

2023
01:06:42,262 --> 01:06:44,396
Floyd didn't say a word.

2024
01:06:44,464 --> 01:06:45,864
And then after two years,

2025
01:06:45,932 --> 01:06:47,366
the system said,

2026
01:06:47,434 --> 01:06:49,535
"Look, you're toxic.

2027
01:06:49,602 --> 01:06:50,903
We cannot take you."

2028
01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:52,371
This is why I disagree

2029
01:06:52,439 --> 01:06:54,273
with the omert� word.

2030
01:06:54,340 --> 01:06:57,443
The fact is that

2031
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:58,911
in a mafia situation,

2032
01:06:58,978 --> 01:07:00,813
where that word comes from,

2033
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:01,647
you have a group of people

2034
01:07:01,714 --> 01:07:02,748
who have each others back

2035
01:07:02,816 --> 01:07:03,916
if something happens.

2036
01:07:03,983 --> 01:07:04,883
This doesn't work that way here.

2037
01:07:04,951 --> 01:07:05,884
They stab you in the back.

2038
01:07:05,952 --> 01:07:06,652
And so I figured, "look,

2039
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:07,920
I took a bullet for you guys.

2040
01:07:07,987 --> 01:07:09,088
I fought. I did what I was

2041
01:07:09,155 --> 01:07:09,822
supposed to do."

2042
01:07:09,889 --> 01:07:11,223
And then when I go to come back,

2043
01:07:11,291 --> 01:07:12,224
they say, "No, you're not

2044
01:07:12,292 --> 01:07:12,825
allowed back."

2045
01:07:12,892 --> 01:07:13,625
Then you know what?

2046
01:07:13,693 --> 01:07:14,326
All bets are off.

2047
01:07:14,394 --> 01:07:15,561
The contract is no longer valid.

2048
01:07:15,628 --> 01:07:17,830
And that's it.

2049
01:07:17,931 --> 01:07:19,231
Floyd called Frankie

2050
01:07:19,299 --> 01:07:22,568
because he was fuming mad.

2051
01:07:22,635 --> 01:07:24,837
Floyd said, "I'll out that son

2052
01:07:24,904 --> 01:07:26,071
of a...

2053
01:07:26,139 --> 01:07:31,677
I will not put up with him."

2054
01:07:31,778 --> 01:07:34,079
And we thought, "Oh, my gosh.

2055
01:07:34,147 --> 01:07:36,081
And maybe he'll do something."

2056
01:07:45,358 --> 01:07:46,925
I didn't even proofread it.

2057
01:07:51,698 --> 01:07:52,865
I knew if I'd read it, I would

2058
01:07:52,932 --> 01:07:53,599
change my mind.

2059
01:07:53,666 --> 01:07:54,800
I would just -- like, if I hit

2060
01:07:54,868 --> 01:07:56,001
"send," then it's done.

2061
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:57,603
Then I've gone down this path.

2062
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:59,805
And I can't go back.

2063
01:07:59,873 --> 01:08:01,507
And how did it feel

2064
01:08:01,574 --> 01:08:06,345
once you hit that send button?

2065
01:08:06,446 --> 01:08:07,880
For about six hours,

2066
01:08:07,947 --> 01:08:09,715
it felt fine.

2067
01:08:09,782 --> 01:08:11,350
And then I realized, "Okay,

2068
01:08:11,417 --> 01:08:12,684
I've got to deal with this now."

2069
01:08:12,752 --> 01:08:13,652
So I sent a few more.

2070
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:14,853
I'm like, "Well, I better write

2071
01:08:14,921 --> 01:08:15,988
some really elaborate stories

2072
01:08:16,055 --> 01:08:17,022
so that if people read it,

2073
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:18,223
they'll say, 'this guy's either

2074
01:08:18,291 --> 01:08:19,158
got a wildly overactive

2075
01:08:19,225 --> 01:08:19,725
imagination,

2076
01:08:19,792 --> 01:08:23,028
or there's something to it.'"

2077
01:08:23,096 --> 01:08:24,363
I didn't have any material

2078
01:08:24,430 --> 01:08:24,963
evidence.

2079
01:08:25,031 --> 01:08:26,298
We didn't record anything.

2080
01:08:26,366 --> 01:08:27,232
We didn't keep anything --

2081
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:28,066
by design, right?

2082
01:08:28,134 --> 01:08:29,001
So by design,

2083
01:08:29,068 --> 01:08:30,569
there's no way to prove it.

2084
01:08:30,637 --> 01:08:31,870
But I figured, look,

2085
01:08:31,938 --> 01:08:33,172
if I write enough detail

2086
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,541
into these stories,

2087
01:08:35,608 --> 01:08:36,475
people will at least say

2088
01:08:36,543 --> 01:08:37,543
"well, it's a fascinating story"

2089
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:38,477
and they'll read it,

2090
01:08:38,545 --> 01:08:40,045
if nothing else.

2091
01:08:40,113 --> 01:08:44,416
[ Indistinct conversations ]

2092
01:08:44,484 --> 01:08:45,651
Everybody set?

2093
01:08:45,718 --> 01:08:47,052
Yeah.

2094
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:47,986
Give me one word

2095
01:08:48,054 --> 01:08:49,221
to sum this all up?

2096
01:08:49,289 --> 01:08:52,724
Credibility.

2097
01:08:52,792 --> 01:08:53,992
Floyd lost his credibility

2098
01:08:54,060 --> 01:08:55,060
a long time ago.

2099
01:08:55,128 --> 01:08:56,061
He has nothing.

2100
01:08:56,129 --> 01:08:57,229
He's got no proof.

2101
01:08:57,297 --> 01:08:58,764
It's his word versus ours.

2102
01:08:58,831 --> 01:08:59,498
We like our word.

2103
01:08:59,566 --> 01:09:00,332
We like where we stand.

2104
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:01,733
We like our credibility.

2105
01:09:01,801 --> 01:09:03,769
It speaks volumes to his mental

2106
01:09:03,836 --> 01:09:05,170
state, and the time

2107
01:09:05,238 --> 01:09:06,238
of the day they were sent.

2108
01:09:06,306 --> 01:09:07,873
I don't need to fill you guys in

2109
01:09:07,941 --> 01:09:08,907
on other peoples habits

2110
01:09:08,975 --> 01:09:11,109
and lifestyles.

2111
01:09:11,177 --> 01:09:12,344
No.

2112
01:09:12,412 --> 01:09:15,881
[ Indistinct conversations ]

2113
01:09:15,949 --> 01:09:17,449
In his mind, I don't know

2114
01:09:17,517 --> 01:09:18,850
that it was entirely true --

2115
01:09:18,918 --> 01:09:19,751
partly true.

2116
01:09:19,819 --> 01:09:21,520
But in his mind, he took the

2117
01:09:21,588 --> 01:09:26,258
fall for the entire generation.

2118
01:09:26,326 --> 01:09:28,126
Again, you know, it doesn't

2119
01:09:28,194 --> 01:09:30,228
matter what I think or what we

2120
01:09:30,296 --> 01:09:30,796
think.

2121
01:09:30,863 --> 01:09:32,464
It matters what he thought.

2122
01:09:32,532 --> 01:09:34,032
And so he thought that he

2123
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:35,267
took the fall for everyone

2124
01:09:35,335 --> 01:09:37,569
that did the same thing.

2125
01:09:37,637 --> 01:09:39,972
And he became a complete pariah.

2126
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:40,973
Everybody wanted to treat me

2127
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,407
like I was this evil,

2128
01:09:42,475 --> 01:09:43,642
cheating liar.

2129
01:09:43,710 --> 01:09:44,643
And then I told the truth.

2130
01:09:44,711 --> 01:09:45,644
And now, all of a sudden,

2131
01:09:45,712 --> 01:09:46,378
"Now he's a rat.

2132
01:09:46,446 --> 01:09:47,212
Oh, now he's turning

2133
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:48,046
on his own people."

2134
01:09:48,114 --> 01:09:48,981
So it's like there was a

2135
01:09:49,048 --> 01:09:51,750
no-win situation.

2136
01:09:51,818 --> 01:09:52,884
But I didn't just say,

2137
01:09:52,952 --> 01:09:54,152
"This is what Lance did."

2138
01:09:54,220 --> 01:09:55,053
I said, "here's what happened

2139
01:09:55,121 --> 01:09:55,754
to everybody.

2140
01:09:55,822 --> 01:09:56,655
Here's what I did.

2141
01:09:56,723 --> 01:09:57,789
Here's what I know about

2142
01:09:57,857 --> 01:09:58,991
everything and everybody.

2143
01:09:59,058 --> 01:10:00,559
Do whatever you want with it."

2144
01:10:00,627 --> 01:10:01,760
And of course, it became about

2145
01:10:01,828 --> 01:10:02,894
Lance because everything's

2146
01:10:02,962 --> 01:10:03,729
always about Lance.

2147
01:10:03,796 --> 01:10:04,997
And that's the way he wanted it.

2148
01:10:05,064 --> 01:10:06,064
So that part, he can't pin

2149
01:10:06,132 --> 01:10:07,766
that on me.

2150
01:10:07,834 --> 01:10:09,301
That's his approach to life.

2151
01:10:09,369 --> 01:10:10,802
"It's about me."

2152
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:12,104
They did what they normally do

2153
01:10:12,171 --> 01:10:13,438
is they call my lawyer and say,

2154
01:10:13,506 --> 01:10:14,773
"Hey, look, you're going to end

2155
01:10:14,841 --> 01:10:16,008
up in prison if you keep this

2156
01:10:16,075 --> 01:10:16,341
up."

2157
01:10:16,409 --> 01:10:19,311
And, so, I sent more e-mails.

2158
01:10:19,379 --> 01:10:20,145
I mean, by that time

2159
01:10:20,213 --> 01:10:21,113
committed to that path,

2160
01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:21,680
that was it.

2161
01:10:21,748 --> 01:10:24,116
I was not going to back out.

2162
01:10:34,188 --> 01:10:35,355
Okay, we're not filming

2163
01:10:35,423 --> 01:10:36,156
on the way back.

2164
01:10:36,224 --> 01:10:37,491
Because this no-music...

2165
01:10:37,558 --> 01:10:38,992
is lame.

2166
01:10:44,198 --> 01:10:45,966
Who has a question for Lance

2167
01:10:46,034 --> 01:10:47,601
knowing -- right out of the

2168
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:48,101
gate.

2169
01:10:48,169 --> 01:10:50,804
You're ready. Stand up.

2170
01:10:50,872 --> 01:10:51,438
Lance...

2171
01:10:51,506 --> 01:10:52,439
You're getting up

2172
01:10:52,507 --> 01:10:53,440
a little slow there.

2173
01:10:53,508 --> 01:10:54,541
Yeah! He's haggard.

2174
01:10:54,609 --> 01:10:55,776
I did 10 laps, though.

2175
01:10:55,843 --> 01:10:56,943
Okay, good, yeah.

2176
01:10:57,011 --> 01:10:58,278
That's amazing.

2177
01:10:58,346 --> 01:10:59,179
How long's the track?

2178
01:10:59,247 --> 01:11:00,380
We said 250, right?

2179
01:11:00,448 --> 01:11:01,615
You did 2 1/2 K.

2180
01:11:01,683 --> 01:11:03,050
That's cool.

2181
01:11:03,117 --> 01:11:04,518
You rode a mile and a half.

2182
01:11:04,585 --> 01:11:05,686
Everyone give it up.

2183
01:11:05,753 --> 01:11:08,188
This man rode his bike

2184
01:11:08,256 --> 01:11:10,624
a mile and a half today.

2185
01:11:17,899 --> 01:11:20,467
This is going to be good.

2186
01:11:20,535 --> 01:11:23,370
Thank you.

2187
01:11:23,438 --> 01:11:24,404
Yes.

2188
01:11:24,472 --> 01:11:26,306
At least one decade.

2189
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:36,817
Okay, so they're very --

2190
01:11:36,884 --> 01:11:37,984
there are two very different

2191
01:11:38,052 --> 01:11:39,086
people here, between --

2192
01:11:39,153 --> 01:11:40,387
if it's Floyd Landis

2193
01:11:40,455 --> 01:11:42,355
and Jeff Spencer, because I

2194
01:11:42,423 --> 01:11:44,524
still consider my relationship

2195
01:11:44,592 --> 01:11:46,426
with Jeff Spencer, who I spent

2196
01:11:46,494 --> 01:11:47,828
hours on his table with

2197
01:11:47,895 --> 01:11:49,563
every night during the Tour,

2198
01:11:49,630 --> 01:11:50,997
to be a special relationship.

2199
01:11:51,065 --> 01:11:52,766
So I would need to be

2200
01:11:52,834 --> 01:11:54,668
more specific on who.

2201
01:11:54,736 --> 01:11:57,370
I mean, I will be specific on

2202
01:11:57,438 --> 01:11:58,271
Floyd Landis.

2203
01:11:58,339 --> 01:11:59,239
There'll never be a

2204
01:11:59,307 --> 01:12:00,006
relationship.

2205
01:12:00,074 --> 01:12:02,042
Never.

2206
01:12:02,143 --> 01:12:03,777
Most people in this story,

2207
01:12:03,845 --> 01:12:06,079
I'm fine to just forgive

2208
01:12:06,147 --> 01:12:08,014
and forget and let's move on.

2209
01:12:08,082 --> 01:12:09,182
There are a few that

2210
01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:10,917
I'm not there yet.

2211
01:12:10,985 --> 01:12:14,454
And Floyd's one of them.

2212
01:12:14,522 --> 01:12:16,356
I mean, you just can't --

2213
01:12:16,424 --> 01:12:20,727
it's not forgivable.

2214
01:12:20,795 --> 01:12:22,529
In 2010, you have Floyd Landis

2215
01:12:22,597 --> 01:12:23,697
who went public.

2216
01:12:23,765 --> 01:12:24,931
And then right

2217
01:12:24,999 --> 01:12:25,966
on the heels of that

2218
01:12:26,033 --> 01:12:27,400
is the criminal investigation

2219
01:12:27,468 --> 01:12:31,304
in the United States.

2220
01:12:31,372 --> 01:12:34,040
He was kind of freaking out.

2221
01:12:34,108 --> 01:12:35,075
Because stuff was starting

2222
01:12:35,143 --> 01:12:37,511
to come out in the papers.

2223
01:12:42,517 --> 01:12:43,950
He was getting frustrated

2224
01:12:44,018 --> 01:12:44,885
and scared.

2225
01:12:44,952 --> 01:12:46,119
And a lot of different things

2226
01:12:46,187 --> 01:12:48,221
that I didn't totally understand

2227
01:12:48,289 --> 01:12:49,623
were happening.

2228
01:12:49,690 --> 01:12:52,926
But I had an idea.

2229
01:12:53,027 --> 01:12:54,227
And then when legal stuff

2230
01:12:54,295 --> 01:12:55,896
started to heat up,

2231
01:12:55,963 --> 01:12:57,264
because we're not married,

2232
01:12:57,331 --> 01:12:58,431
there wasn't, like, spousal

2233
01:12:58,499 --> 01:13:00,133
privilege either.

2234
01:13:00,201 --> 01:13:01,434
So he did explain that to me

2235
01:13:01,502 --> 01:13:02,235
at one point.

2236
01:13:02,303 --> 01:13:03,136
He was like, " "I don't want you

2237
01:13:03,204 --> 01:13:04,805
to feel like you're in the dark.

2238
01:13:04,872 --> 01:13:06,072
But there's also certain things,

2239
01:13:06,140 --> 01:13:06,807
like, I can't really

2240
01:13:06,874 --> 01:13:07,908
talk to you about right now

2241
01:13:07,975 --> 01:13:11,745
because you're not protected."

2242
01:13:11,846 --> 01:13:12,445
Just everything

2243
01:13:12,513 --> 01:13:13,346
just got crazy.

2244
01:13:13,414 --> 01:13:14,414
Then everybody's worlds

2245
01:13:14,482 --> 01:13:15,916
just got completely nuts.

2246
01:13:15,983 --> 01:13:18,151
Lance went on full denial mode.

2247
01:13:18,219 --> 01:13:23,490
I went on full no-comment mode.

2248
01:13:23,558 --> 01:13:24,424
We thought it was just kind of

2249
01:13:24,492 --> 01:13:26,927
like a huge press scandal until

2250
01:13:26,994 --> 01:13:28,795
I got a call from Novitzky.

2251
01:13:32,166 --> 01:13:34,367
Jeffrey Novitzky, who worked

2252
01:13:34,435 --> 01:13:36,336
with the FDA,

2253
01:13:36,404 --> 01:13:38,672
was looking into drug use

2254
01:13:38,739 --> 01:13:41,708
in professional cycling.

2255
01:13:41,776 --> 01:13:44,311
Jeff Novitzky was involved

2256
01:13:44,378 --> 01:13:45,946
in the criminal investigation.

2257
01:13:46,013 --> 01:13:48,014
He was involved in BALCO, which

2258
01:13:48,082 --> 01:13:49,616
was the steroids investigation

2259
01:13:49,684 --> 01:13:51,985
of Barry Bonds and baseball.

2260
01:13:52,053 --> 01:13:54,621
And he took it upon himself

2261
01:13:54,689 --> 01:13:57,624
to be some sort of sheriff, cop

2262
01:13:57,692 --> 01:13:59,993
of performance-enhancing

2263
01:14:00,061 --> 01:14:02,329
substances around sport

2264
01:14:02,396 --> 01:14:04,164
generally.

2265
01:14:04,232 --> 01:14:05,365
Federal prosecutors

2266
01:14:05,433 --> 01:14:06,800
in a criminal investigation

2267
01:14:06,868 --> 01:14:08,235
have the ability to issue

2268
01:14:08,302 --> 01:14:09,836
subpoenas to people.

2269
01:14:09,904 --> 01:14:10,637
And when those people

2270
01:14:10,705 --> 01:14:11,905
get subpoenaed, they can take

2271
01:14:11,973 --> 01:14:13,206
the Fifth, which says, "I have

2272
01:14:13,274 --> 01:14:14,474
the right not to incriminate

2273
01:14:14,542 --> 01:14:14,908
myself.

2274
01:14:14,976 --> 01:14:16,176
I'm not going to answer your

2275
01:14:16,244 --> 01:14:17,510
questions."

2276
01:14:17,612 --> 01:14:18,879
But a federal prosecutor has

2277
01:14:18,946 --> 01:14:20,313
the ability to respond to that

2278
01:14:20,381 --> 01:14:22,048
by saying, "we'll give you

2279
01:14:22,116 --> 01:14:22,916
immunity."

2280
01:14:22,984 --> 01:14:24,251
Once you have immunity.

2281
01:14:24,318 --> 01:14:25,552
you no longer have the right

2282
01:14:25,620 --> 01:14:26,419
to take the Fifth

2283
01:14:26,487 --> 01:14:27,754
because nothing you say

2284
01:14:27,822 --> 01:14:29,656
can be used against you.

2285
01:14:29,724 --> 01:14:30,657
And so you have to answer

2286
01:14:30,725 --> 01:14:31,424
their questions.

2287
01:14:31,492 --> 01:14:32,525
And if you answer their

2288
01:14:32,593 --> 01:14:33,827
questions and you're not being

2289
01:14:33,895 --> 01:14:34,895
truthful, you could get

2290
01:14:34,962 --> 01:14:36,529
prosecuted for that.

2291
01:14:36,631 --> 01:14:38,164
Most of the writers

2292
01:14:38,232 --> 01:14:39,432
who testified,

2293
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:41,434
and support staff,

2294
01:14:41,502 --> 01:14:42,335
that was the first time

2295
01:14:42,403 --> 01:14:43,336
that they had ever told

2296
01:14:43,404 --> 01:14:46,439
anyone the truth.

2297
01:14:46,540 --> 01:14:47,674
They tried to jog

2298
01:14:47,742 --> 01:14:48,575
your memories, so you remember

2299
01:14:48,643 --> 01:14:49,342
a lot of this things.

2300
01:14:49,410 --> 01:14:50,543
Because a lot of that stuff

2301
01:14:50,611 --> 01:14:52,512
at that point had happened --

2302
01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:54,381
this was -- I testified in 2010.

2303
01:14:54,448 --> 01:14:55,348
So they were talking about

2304
01:14:55,416 --> 01:14:59,552
like '95 to 2005.

2305
01:14:59,654 --> 01:15:00,854
How awful was that?

2306
01:15:00,922 --> 01:15:01,688
Oh, it was terrifying.

2307
01:15:01,756 --> 01:15:02,455
Are you kidding me?

2308
01:15:02,523 --> 01:15:04,090
I mean, I still had

2309
01:15:04,158 --> 01:15:05,859
broken ribs from crashing

2310
01:15:05,927 --> 01:15:07,761
out of the Tour de France.

2311
01:15:07,828 --> 01:15:08,695
I'm not going to lie,

2312
01:15:08,763 --> 01:15:11,131
it was a long eight hours.

2313
01:15:11,198 --> 01:15:12,065
The first 15 minutes

2314
01:15:12,133 --> 01:15:12,732
were hard.

2315
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,234
Then the next 6 hours

2316
01:15:14,302 --> 01:15:16,903
and 45 minutes were like,

2317
01:15:16,971 --> 01:15:17,771
I don't know, almost like

2318
01:15:17,838 --> 01:15:19,039
a religious experience for me.

2319
01:15:19,106 --> 01:15:20,640
Like just unloading all this

2320
01:15:20,708 --> 01:15:22,575
darkness that had been just --

2321
01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:24,444
I kept burying and burying and

2322
01:15:24,512 --> 01:15:26,579
burying.

2323
01:15:26,681 --> 01:15:28,949
I was always surprised at like

2324
01:15:29,016 --> 01:15:30,750
how's this been kept under wraps

2325
01:15:30,818 --> 01:15:33,653
for such a long time?

2326
01:15:33,721 --> 01:15:34,888
It was too big of a secret for

2327
01:15:34,956 --> 01:15:36,890
it not to come out, you know.

2328
01:15:36,958 --> 01:15:37,991
But I always thought to myself,

2329
01:15:38,059 --> 01:15:38,992
"hopefully it comes out, you

2330
01:15:39,060 --> 01:15:39,793
know, 10 years after I'm

2331
01:15:39,860 --> 01:15:41,494
retired, and I don't have to

2332
01:15:41,562 --> 01:15:42,829
deal with it, you know?"

2333
01:15:42,897 --> 01:15:43,763
I'm sure that's what the guys

2334
01:15:43,831 --> 01:15:45,632
in the '80s were thinking.

2335
01:15:50,037 --> 01:15:50,837
One of the advices of the

2336
01:15:50,905 --> 01:15:52,238
counsels were like, "you can't

2337
01:15:52,306 --> 01:15:53,573
talk to Lance anymore,"

2338
01:15:53,641 --> 01:15:54,641
because Lance was still being

2339
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:58,111
very -- was denying it very

2340
01:15:58,179 --> 01:15:59,679
strongly.

2341
01:15:59,747 --> 01:16:00,847
For me,

2342
01:16:00,915 --> 01:16:01,748
and maybe not obviously,

2343
01:16:01,816 --> 01:16:03,016
but it started a long time ago,

2344
01:16:03,084 --> 01:16:04,751
started 10 years ago with a lot

2345
01:16:04,819 --> 01:16:06,152
of talk and speculation.

2346
01:16:06,220 --> 01:16:07,587
Which is, you know,

2347
01:16:07,655 --> 01:16:08,788
I think is part and parcel

2348
01:16:08,856 --> 01:16:09,823
to being successful

2349
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:12,325
in what is widely viewed as, you

2350
01:16:12,393 --> 01:16:14,427
know, maybe a dirty sport.

2351
01:16:14,495 --> 01:16:16,329
When you were lying like

2352
01:16:16,397 --> 01:16:18,431
that, what was it like looking

2353
01:16:18,499 --> 01:16:19,599
at yourself in the mirror?

2354
01:16:19,667 --> 01:16:23,536
No problem.

2355
01:16:23,604 --> 01:16:25,338
No problem.

2356
01:16:25,406 --> 01:16:26,106
Because?

2357
01:16:26,173 --> 01:16:27,173
I'm not justifying it

2358
01:16:27,241 --> 01:16:27,941
or defending it.

2359
01:16:28,009 --> 01:16:28,808
But I'm telling you

2360
01:16:28,876 --> 01:16:30,110
it was not a problem.

2361
01:16:30,177 --> 01:16:30,810
Because?

2362
01:16:30,878 --> 01:16:32,379
Because it was just part of

2363
01:16:32,446 --> 01:16:34,647
the -- I was so used to it.

2364
01:16:34,715 --> 01:16:36,149
And it was part of the game.

2365
01:16:36,217 --> 01:16:38,351
And it was -- it was --

2366
01:16:38,419 --> 01:16:39,886
you just kind of become immune

2367
01:16:39,954 --> 01:16:41,388
to that.

2368
01:16:41,455 --> 01:16:42,322
I mean, it's crazy.

2369
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:43,623
I'm not -- it's crazy

2370
01:16:43,691 --> 01:16:45,125
to hear myself say that.

2371
01:16:45,192 --> 01:16:48,328
But that's the truth.

2372
01:16:48,429 --> 01:16:49,329
When things started closing

2373
01:16:49,397 --> 01:16:50,797
in on him, he wanted me

2374
01:16:50,865 --> 01:16:54,401
to call John McCain.

2375
01:16:54,502 --> 01:16:56,336
Lance asking McCain

2376
01:16:56,404 --> 01:16:57,404
to do something, knowing that

2377
01:16:57,471 --> 01:16:58,972
he was actually guilty?

2378
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,042
Yikes.

2379
01:17:02,109 --> 01:17:04,077
I'm so glad I didn't.

2380
01:17:04,145 --> 01:17:05,412
If something had gone south and

2381
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,379
somehow it besmirched

2382
01:17:06,447 --> 01:17:07,547
John McCain's name, I never

2383
01:17:07,615 --> 01:17:09,215
would have lived that down.

2384
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:13,853
For a while there,

2385
01:17:13,921 --> 01:17:15,188
there was a possibility

2386
01:17:15,256 --> 01:17:16,556
that Lance Armstrong was going

2387
01:17:16,624 --> 01:17:18,491
to face criminal charges

2388
01:17:18,559 --> 01:17:20,660
and could potentially

2389
01:17:20,728 --> 01:17:22,195
go to prison.

2390
01:17:29,670 --> 01:17:30,737
I figured they were marching

2391
01:17:30,805 --> 01:17:34,174
straight towards an indictment.

2392
01:17:34,241 --> 01:17:35,608
[ Chuckles ]

2393
01:17:35,676 --> 01:17:37,710
I mean, when it lasts that

2394
01:17:37,778 --> 01:17:41,414
long.

2395
01:17:41,482 --> 01:17:42,849
There is late word tonight

2396
01:17:42,917 --> 01:17:44,084
that federal prosecutors

2397
01:17:44,151 --> 01:17:45,051
have dropped their

2398
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:46,386
two-year-long investigation

2399
01:17:46,454 --> 01:17:47,754
of Lance Armstrong,

2400
01:17:47,822 --> 01:17:49,089
ending an effort to determine

2401
01:17:49,156 --> 01:17:50,190
whether the seven-time

2402
01:17:50,257 --> 01:17:51,691
Tour de France winner

2403
01:17:51,759 --> 01:17:52,892
cheated his way to victory

2404
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:53,726
by taking part

2405
01:17:53,794 --> 01:17:55,395
in a doping program.

2406
01:17:55,463 --> 01:17:56,463
Armstrong repeatedly

2407
01:17:56,530 --> 01:17:57,897
has denied the accusations

2408
01:17:57,965 --> 01:17:59,599
that have dogged him for years.

2409
01:17:59,667 --> 01:18:00,900
Tonight he released a statement

2410
01:18:00,968 --> 01:18:02,602
praising the decision.

2411
01:18:02,670 --> 01:18:03,269
When we come back...

2412
01:18:03,337 --> 01:18:05,872
It was like a "whew,

2413
01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:08,041
like, we're in the clear."

2414
01:18:08,109 --> 01:18:11,077
I was like, "okay.

2415
01:18:11,145 --> 01:18:12,412
I got off.

2416
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:15,115
I'm free."

2417
01:18:15,182 --> 01:18:17,217
And even the day they announced

2418
01:18:17,284 --> 01:18:19,219
it, you know, just for them,

2419
01:18:19,286 --> 01:18:20,153
if they want to bury it

2420
01:18:20,221 --> 01:18:21,454
the day before the Super Bowl or

2421
01:18:21,522 --> 01:18:22,222
two days before --

2422
01:18:22,289 --> 01:18:23,123
or Super Bowl weekend's

2423
01:18:23,190 --> 01:18:24,057
the perfect time to do it,

2424
01:18:24,125 --> 01:18:25,525
other than Christmas.

2425
01:18:28,796 --> 01:18:32,065
Several of his friends

2426
01:18:32,133 --> 01:18:33,500
in his circle

2427
01:18:33,567 --> 01:18:36,736
were politically connected.

2428
01:18:36,804 --> 01:18:38,505
So there's that theory

2429
01:18:38,572 --> 01:18:41,174
that it was shut down somehow

2430
01:18:41,242 --> 01:18:43,743
from high up

2431
01:18:43,811 --> 01:18:47,480
in the Justice Department.

2432
01:18:47,548 --> 01:18:49,182
But I have absolutely

2433
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:54,687
no evidence of that.

2434
01:18:54,755 --> 01:18:56,756
That evening, USADA

2435
01:18:56,824 --> 01:18:57,790
made some statement, you know,

2436
01:18:57,858 --> 01:18:58,625
"we're going to continue

2437
01:18:58,692 --> 01:18:59,926
to investigate this."

2438
01:18:59,994 --> 01:19:00,927
I was like, "oh, right

2439
01:19:00,995 --> 01:19:03,429
whatever."

2440
01:19:03,531 --> 01:19:04,497
The case gets dropped.

2441
01:19:04,565 --> 01:19:05,331
And the guys think

2442
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:06,266
they're in the clear.

2443
01:19:06,333 --> 01:19:07,333
But Travis Tygart says, "No,

2444
01:19:07,401 --> 01:19:09,435
no, I can pick this up.

2445
01:19:09,503 --> 01:19:11,671
And I can bring all the guys in

2446
01:19:11,739 --> 01:19:13,940
and ask them to tell me

2447
01:19:14,008 --> 01:19:18,111
what they told Jeff Novitzky."

2448
01:19:18,179 --> 01:19:19,679
We have to clean out

2449
01:19:19,747 --> 01:19:21,347
that system in order

2450
01:19:21,415 --> 01:19:23,983
to drain the swamp, so to speak,

2451
01:19:24,051 --> 01:19:25,385
and put this sport

2452
01:19:25,452 --> 01:19:29,656
on a new pedestal.

2453
01:19:29,757 --> 01:19:31,224
I remember a conversation

2454
01:19:31,292 --> 01:19:34,994
that I had with George Hincapie.

2455
01:19:35,062 --> 01:19:36,162
We were telling George,

2456
01:19:36,230 --> 01:19:37,397
"Look, here's our goals.

2457
01:19:37,464 --> 01:19:38,731
Here's what we're trying to do.

2458
01:19:38,799 --> 01:19:41,200
Sit down with us, be truthful.

2459
01:19:41,268 --> 01:19:42,635
And we're going to do everything

2460
01:19:42,703 --> 01:19:44,671
we can to both protect you

2461
01:19:44,738 --> 01:19:46,172
in the public, as well

2462
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:47,574
as get you the minimum

2463
01:19:47,641 --> 01:19:48,841
sanction we possibly can.

2464
01:19:48,909 --> 01:19:50,677
And we're pushing for amnesty.

2465
01:19:50,744 --> 01:19:52,211
And, George, by the way,

2466
01:19:52,279 --> 01:19:53,880
if you're talking to Lance,

2467
01:19:53,948 --> 01:19:55,148
this is going to be afforded

2468
01:19:55,215 --> 01:19:56,349
to him as well.

2469
01:19:56,417 --> 01:19:57,250
We're going to be reaching out

2470
01:19:57,318 --> 01:19:58,384
to him to have

2471
01:19:58,452 --> 01:20:02,989
the exact same conversation.

2472
01:20:03,057 --> 01:20:03,990
We touched base

2473
01:20:04,058 --> 01:20:06,326
with Lance's lawyers.

2474
01:20:06,393 --> 01:20:08,494
They just had their M.O.

2475
01:20:08,562 --> 01:20:09,395
already in place.

2476
01:20:09,463 --> 01:20:10,897
And they weren't going

2477
01:20:10,965 --> 01:20:11,864
to be part of it.

2478
01:20:11,932 --> 01:20:12,899
They were just going to continue

2479
01:20:12,967 --> 01:20:15,335
to deny and lie and attack.

2480
01:20:15,436 --> 01:20:17,337
Their idea of cooperation

2481
01:20:17,404 --> 01:20:19,072
was always based on

2482
01:20:19,139 --> 01:20:20,173
not just being truthful

2483
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,007
about what you did,

2484
01:20:21,075 --> 01:20:22,342
but can you help us nail

2485
01:20:22,409 --> 01:20:26,412
somebody else?

2486
01:20:26,513 --> 01:20:27,880
I did tell Lance to just come

2487
01:20:27,948 --> 01:20:28,848
out and say it.

2488
01:20:28,916 --> 01:20:30,850
I mean...this is real now.

2489
01:20:30,918 --> 01:20:31,851
It's not just the press.

2490
01:20:31,919 --> 01:20:33,553
This is like -- and he was like,

2491
01:20:33,621 --> 01:20:35,088
"that's not happening."

2492
01:20:38,125 --> 01:20:40,293
I was in Hawaii

2493
01:20:40,361 --> 01:20:43,396
doing a half Ironman.

2494
01:20:43,464 --> 01:20:47,433
I do the race, fly to France

2495
01:20:47,501 --> 01:20:49,102
for Ironman France.

2496
01:20:49,169 --> 01:20:50,036
It was going to be

2497
01:20:50,104 --> 01:20:52,071
my first Ironman.

2498
01:20:52,139 --> 01:20:54,607
I'll never forget this.

2499
01:20:54,675 --> 01:20:56,209
I'm sitting in this house

2500
01:20:56,276 --> 01:20:57,744
that we are renting.

2501
01:20:57,811 --> 01:21:02,081
And Pat McQuaid calls me.

2502
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:03,449
He said, "Jonathan Vaughters

2503
01:21:03,517 --> 01:21:07,253
just came up to me

2504
01:21:07,321 --> 01:21:10,890
and said, 'Pat,

2505
01:21:10,958 --> 01:21:13,259
a little surprise tomorrow.'"

2506
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:14,560
He had been talking to USADA.

2507
01:21:14,628 --> 01:21:15,495
He didn't give me much

2508
01:21:15,562 --> 01:21:16,095
information.

2509
01:21:16,163 --> 01:21:16,729
He just said,

2510
01:21:16,797 --> 01:21:17,664
"this is going to be bad."

2511
01:21:17,731 --> 01:21:18,898
USADA are on this case,

2512
01:21:18,966 --> 01:21:20,166
and they're on very strongly"

2513
01:21:20,234 --> 01:21:21,567
or something like that.

2514
01:21:21,635 --> 01:21:23,736
"And they're, you know,

2515
01:21:23,804 --> 01:21:25,171
this is going to go down."

2516
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:26,172
So, you know, you need to

2517
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:27,273
start thinking about how the UCI

2518
01:21:27,341 --> 01:21:28,775
is going to react to this.

2519
01:21:28,842 --> 01:21:29,575
And he just --

2520
01:21:29,643 --> 01:21:31,177
he just didn't believe me.

2521
01:21:31,245 --> 01:21:33,413
I mean, his reaction was,

2522
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:35,248
"wait, you're saying

2523
01:21:35,315 --> 01:21:37,483
that a bunch of cyclists

2524
01:21:37,551 --> 01:21:38,818
testified that not

2525
01:21:38,886 --> 01:21:39,852
only did they know about doping,

2526
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,487
that they themselves doped.

2527
01:21:41,588 --> 01:21:42,755
And then all of this is coming

2528
01:21:42,823 --> 01:21:43,856
out in a couple of months?

2529
01:21:43,924 --> 01:21:44,757
He's like, "no way."

2530
01:21:44,825 --> 01:21:47,460
He's like, "no way

2531
01:21:47,528 --> 01:21:48,995
that people have done that."

2532
01:21:52,099 --> 01:21:53,266
McQuaid called me, and then

2533
01:21:53,333 --> 01:21:54,767
I'm like, "uh-oh."

2534
01:21:54,835 --> 01:21:56,102
I hadn't been

2535
01:21:56,170 --> 01:21:57,003
paying attention to this.

2536
01:21:57,071 --> 01:21:58,938
But sounds like something's

2537
01:21:59,006 --> 01:22:00,506
about to happen.

2538
01:22:00,574 --> 01:22:02,275
The next day, "boom."

2539
01:22:02,342 --> 01:22:04,510
We turn next to the huge blow

2540
01:22:04,578 --> 01:22:05,978
tonight for the man who inspired

2541
01:22:06,046 --> 01:22:08,181
millions by beating cancer

2542
01:22:08,248 --> 01:22:09,816
and winning the Tour de France

2543
01:22:09,883 --> 01:22:11,317
seven times.

2544
01:22:11,385 --> 01:22:12,552
The biggest watchdog

2545
01:22:12,619 --> 01:22:14,120
organization in sports announced

2546
01:22:14,188 --> 01:22:14,854
late today

2547
01:22:14,922 --> 01:22:16,823
that they now have cold, hard

2548
01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:18,791
proof that Lance Armstrong

2549
01:22:18,859 --> 01:22:20,359
was doping to win,

2550
01:22:20,427 --> 01:22:21,861
which could cost him all his

2551
01:22:21,929 --> 01:22:24,297
medals and his athletic future.

2552
01:22:24,364 --> 01:22:25,064
Here's ABC's Neil...

2553
01:22:25,132 --> 01:22:26,499
A couple of days after that

2554
01:22:26,567 --> 01:22:28,000
then Ironman, the organization,

2555
01:22:28,068 --> 01:22:29,368
says "you can't race."

2556
01:22:29,436 --> 01:22:30,169
So we just turned around

2557
01:22:30,237 --> 01:22:31,804
and flew home.

2558
01:22:31,872 --> 01:22:35,141
[ Sighs ]

2559
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:36,876
UCI will ban Lance Armstrong

2560
01:22:36,944 --> 01:22:38,077
from cycling.

2561
01:22:38,145 --> 01:22:39,846
And UCI will strip him of

2562
01:22:39,913 --> 01:22:43,015
his seven Tour de France titles.

2563
01:22:43,083 --> 01:22:44,851
Lance Armstrong has no place

2564
01:22:44,918 --> 01:22:47,520
in cycling.

2565
01:22:47,588 --> 01:22:48,755
After they do all this,

2566
01:22:48,822 --> 01:22:51,390
it's within their rights

2567
01:22:51,458 --> 01:22:53,826
to issue a report.

2568
01:22:53,894 --> 01:22:56,262
And the other lawyers said, "No,

2569
01:22:56,330 --> 01:22:59,699
it'll never happen."

2570
01:22:59,767 --> 01:23:01,734
That "report"

2571
01:23:01,802 --> 01:23:03,603
was the reasoned decision.

2572
01:23:03,670 --> 01:23:04,670
And it happened.

2573
01:23:04,738 --> 01:23:06,539
And it was this thick.

2574
01:23:06,607 --> 01:23:08,241
The anti-doping agency report

2575
01:23:08,308 --> 01:23:09,509
is based upon more than

2576
01:23:09,576 --> 01:23:11,444
a 1,000 pages of evidence,

2577
01:23:11,512 --> 01:23:13,379
including sworn testimony

2578
01:23:13,447 --> 01:23:15,515
from US Postal Service riders

2579
01:23:15,582 --> 01:23:17,016
who had knowledge of Armstrong's

2580
01:23:17,084 --> 01:23:19,786
doping or doping by the team.

2581
01:23:19,887 --> 01:23:21,420
�I don't think anybody knew

2582
01:23:21,488 --> 01:23:23,089
the breadth of the evidence,

2583
01:23:23,157 --> 01:23:24,524
that they would have all these

2584
01:23:24,591 --> 01:23:26,759
teammates of his submitting

2585
01:23:26,827 --> 01:23:27,794
sworn affidavits

2586
01:23:27,861 --> 01:23:28,961
that said this is all true,

2587
01:23:29,029 --> 01:23:31,597
this has all happened.

2588
01:23:31,698 --> 01:23:33,099
The nail in the coffin is the

2589
01:23:33,167 --> 01:23:34,801
testimony from George Hincapie

2590
01:23:34,868 --> 01:23:36,102
that Lance Armstrong had doped.

2591
01:23:36,170 --> 01:23:36,769
This is his friend

2592
01:23:36,837 --> 01:23:38,371
saying it now.

2593
01:23:42,276 --> 01:23:43,142
Nike, a long-time

2594
01:23:43,210 --> 01:23:44,210
sponsor of Armstrong,

2595
01:23:44,278 --> 01:23:45,645
released this statement.

2596
01:23:45,712 --> 01:23:47,246
"Lance has stated his innocence

2597
01:23:47,314 --> 01:23:48,714
and has been unwavering

2598
01:23:48,782 --> 01:23:49,982
on this position.

2599
01:23:50,050 --> 01:23:51,150
Nike plans to continue

2600
01:23:51,218 --> 01:23:52,318
to support Lance and the

2601
01:23:52,386 --> 01:23:55,388
Lance Armstrong Foundation."

2602
01:23:55,489 --> 01:23:58,124
Nike was the pillar

2603
01:23:58,192 --> 01:24:00,827
that was keeping this

2604
01:24:00,894 --> 01:24:05,731
whole fraudulent scheme alive.

2605
01:24:05,966 --> 01:24:07,433
What bothers me is when

2606
01:24:07,501 --> 01:24:10,069
corporations who have lifted

2607
01:24:10,137 --> 01:24:13,105
these athletes onto a pedestal

2608
01:24:13,173 --> 01:24:17,910
don't then take responsibility.

2609
01:24:18,011 --> 01:24:19,145
Nike, calling the evidence

2610
01:24:19,213 --> 01:24:20,179
against Armstrong

2611
01:24:20,247 --> 01:24:22,081
"seemingly insurmountable,"

2612
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:23,316
ended it's endorsement

2613
01:24:23,383 --> 01:24:24,584
deal with the seven-time

2614
01:24:24,651 --> 01:24:25,918
Tour de France champion.

2615
01:24:25,986 --> 01:24:30,690
Other sponsors followed suit.

2616
01:24:30,791 --> 01:24:33,125
When he knew his world

2617
01:24:33,193 --> 01:24:34,927
was going to come crashing down,

2618
01:24:34,995 --> 01:24:37,496
he went to Hawaii to hide away.

2619
01:24:37,598 --> 01:24:38,431
Just to deal with it

2620
01:24:38,498 --> 01:24:40,333
with the family.

2621
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,801
And I flew out there to see him

2622
01:24:41,869 --> 01:24:43,202
just to make sure he was doing

2623
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:43,636
okay.

2624
01:24:43,704 --> 01:24:45,605
And we played golf

2625
01:24:45,672 --> 01:24:47,206
every day in the afternoon,

2626
01:24:47,274 --> 01:24:50,109
just the two of us.

2627
01:24:50,177 --> 01:24:51,878
And crazy enough,

2628
01:24:51,945 --> 01:24:53,679
on the 12th hole,

2629
01:24:53,747 --> 01:24:54,981
his phone would always ring,

2630
01:24:55,048 --> 01:24:58,284
and it would be horrible news.

2631
01:24:58,385 --> 01:25:01,854
Nike, Oakley, Giro,

2632
01:25:01,922 --> 01:25:03,289
any one of them,

2633
01:25:03,357 --> 01:25:04,657
literally phone calls coming in

2634
01:25:04,725 --> 01:25:05,858
from Bart and Bill.

2635
01:25:05,926 --> 01:25:07,293
"They're gone, they're gone,

2636
01:25:07,361 --> 01:25:09,295
they're gone."

2637
01:25:09,396 --> 01:25:13,633
All gone in 48 hours.

2638
01:25:13,700 --> 01:25:15,534
Like that, gone.

2639
01:25:17,971 --> 01:25:20,239
[ Chuckles ]

2640
01:25:20,307 --> 01:25:25,378
Yeah.

2641
01:25:25,445 --> 01:25:28,414
I wouldn't change a thing.

2642
01:25:28,482 --> 01:25:31,851
I work for myself now.

2643
01:25:31,919 --> 01:25:33,052
To Lance Armstrong, that

2644
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,655
was lost income to him

2645
01:25:35,722 --> 01:25:36,989
to this day, which tells me

2646
01:25:37,057 --> 01:25:38,925
he hasn't learned these lessons.

2647
01:25:38,992 --> 01:25:41,093
He still is somehow justifying

2648
01:25:41,161 --> 01:25:42,328
everything that he did,

2649
01:25:42,396 --> 01:25:43,262
because he's talking about

2650
01:25:43,330 --> 01:25:45,164
that loss of income

2651
01:25:45,232 --> 01:25:48,567
as his price that he paid.

2652
01:25:48,635 --> 01:25:50,503
If I was a bank robber

2653
01:25:50,570 --> 01:25:52,004
and you caught me,

2654
01:25:52,072 --> 01:25:53,406
what would you think if I said

2655
01:25:53,473 --> 01:25:56,542
to you and said, "Hey, you know,

2656
01:25:56,610 --> 01:25:58,177
you cost me $100 million

2657
01:25:58,245 --> 01:26:02,415
of income."

2658
01:26:02,482 --> 01:26:03,049
There was

2659
01:26:03,116 --> 01:26:04,183
a Lance Armstrong building

2660
01:26:04,251 --> 01:26:07,219
on the Nike campus.

2661
01:26:07,321 --> 01:26:08,621
And it went from the

2662
01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:10,756
Lance Armstrong building one day

2663
01:26:10,824 --> 01:26:12,858
to literally overnight

2664
01:26:12,926 --> 01:26:17,229
boom, done, off.

2665
01:26:17,297 --> 01:26:19,031
Lance Armstrong has taken

2666
01:26:19,099 --> 01:26:20,299
some major new blows

2667
01:26:20,367 --> 01:26:21,701
in the latest fallout from that

2668
01:26:21,768 --> 01:26:23,135
doping scandal surrounding

2669
01:26:23,203 --> 01:26:24,737
the legendary cyclist.

2670
01:26:24,838 --> 01:26:25,805
NBC's Ann Thompson

2671
01:26:25,872 --> 01:26:26,939
is here with more on this story.

2672
01:26:27,007 --> 01:26:27,707
Ann, good morning.

2673
01:26:27,774 --> 01:26:28,708
Good morning, Matt.

2674
01:26:28,775 --> 01:26:29,909
You know, it's been a brutal

2675
01:26:29,977 --> 01:26:31,143
24 hours for Lance Armstrong.

2676
01:26:31,211 --> 01:26:32,478
He's been dropped by his

2677
01:26:32,546 --> 01:26:33,612
big-name sponsors --

2678
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:34,981
Nike, Anheuser-Busch,

2679
01:26:35,048 --> 01:26:36,248
and Trek Bicycles.

2680
01:26:36,316 --> 01:26:37,316
And he's stepped aside

2681
01:26:37,384 --> 01:26:38,584
as chairman of Livestrong,

2682
01:26:38,652 --> 01:26:39,885
the charity he founded

2683
01:26:39,953 --> 01:26:44,490
to promote cancer survivorship.

2684
01:26:44,591 --> 01:26:45,992
Our responsibility was to the

2685
01:26:46,059 --> 01:26:47,493
foundation, first and foremost.

2686
01:26:47,561 --> 01:26:50,162
I mean, we all revered Lance.

2687
01:26:50,230 --> 01:26:50,830
But we had to save

2688
01:26:50,897 --> 01:26:51,664
the foundation.

2689
01:26:51,732 --> 01:26:52,798
And the only way we thought

2690
01:26:52,866 --> 01:26:53,466
we could save it

2691
01:26:53,533 --> 01:26:56,335
was for Lance to leave.

2692
01:26:56,436 --> 01:26:58,270
In very typical Lance fashion

2693
01:26:58,338 --> 01:26:59,405
he struck back,

2694
01:26:59,473 --> 01:27:01,907
called us all cowards.

2695
01:27:01,975 --> 01:27:03,442
It was pretty rough.

2696
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,148
The Livestrong situation

2697
01:27:09,216 --> 01:27:12,318
angers me.

2698
01:27:12,386 --> 01:27:15,755
If it were me, I would have

2699
01:27:15,822 --> 01:27:20,092
said, "you're in time-out,

2700
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,094
an indefinite time-out.

2701
01:27:22,162 --> 01:27:24,697
But you're still the founder,

2702
01:27:24,765 --> 01:27:26,198
and we realize that at some

2703
01:27:26,266 --> 01:27:28,701
point, that the dust will settle

2704
01:27:28,769 --> 01:27:29,368
here.

2705
01:27:29,436 --> 01:27:32,004
And not just you,

2706
01:27:32,072 --> 01:27:33,372
but we as an organization --

2707
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:34,707
we, you, me, the organization --

2708
01:27:34,775 --> 01:27:37,810
can re-emerge."

2709
01:27:37,878 --> 01:27:38,711
I worked too hard

2710
01:27:38,779 --> 01:27:42,148
to make it great,

2711
01:27:42,215 --> 01:27:46,052
and it's just --

2712
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:47,353
it's a bummer.

2713
01:27:50,590 --> 01:27:52,058
A lot of people put aside

2714
01:27:52,125 --> 01:27:53,626
their lives because it was

2715
01:27:53,693 --> 01:27:55,294
an inspiring story.

2716
01:27:55,362 --> 01:27:56,562
And then when you discover

2717
01:27:56,630 --> 01:27:58,531
that the emperor has no clothes,

2718
01:27:58,598 --> 01:28:00,066
and you realize

2719
01:28:00,133 --> 01:28:02,234
that you had taken your life

2720
01:28:02,302 --> 01:28:04,470
on a completely different track

2721
01:28:04,538 --> 01:28:06,472
because you thought

2722
01:28:06,540 --> 01:28:08,407
this was a heroic story

2723
01:28:08,475 --> 01:28:10,176
with no bad side to it,

2724
01:28:10,243 --> 01:28:11,243
I'm sure a lot of people

2725
01:28:11,311 --> 01:28:12,678
are disillusioned.

2726
01:28:12,779 --> 01:28:14,246
A lot of people are pissed off

2727
01:28:14,314 --> 01:28:18,084
that they were lied to.

2728
01:28:18,151 --> 01:28:19,552
Do you wish that you would

2729
01:28:19,619 --> 01:28:23,089
have cut a deal with Travis,

2730
01:28:23,156 --> 01:28:25,057
because he wanted names?

2731
01:28:25,125 --> 01:28:26,325
Was it that you wanted

2732
01:28:26,393 --> 01:28:28,494
to protect people?

2733
01:28:28,562 --> 01:28:29,695
Did you -- Why?

2734
01:28:29,763 --> 01:28:30,930
Look, I've already told you

2735
01:28:30,997 --> 01:28:32,231
numerous times, and I'm going to

2736
01:28:32,299 --> 01:28:32,898
say it again.

2737
01:28:32,966 --> 01:28:33,999
I wouldn't change a thing.

2738
01:28:34,067 --> 01:28:35,768
So I don't wish I would have

2739
01:28:35,836 --> 01:28:38,504
made a deal with Travis Tygart.

2740
01:28:38,572 --> 01:28:43,109
Because if you think about it,

2741
01:28:43,176 --> 01:28:45,244
there are three potential

2742
01:28:45,312 --> 01:28:47,279
outcomes here.

2743
01:28:47,347 --> 01:28:50,282
First, is nothing happens.

2744
01:28:50,350 --> 01:28:51,584
I never get investigated,

2745
01:28:51,651 --> 01:28:53,352
the Feds don't investigate,

2746
01:28:53,420 --> 01:28:54,787
USADA doesn't investigate,

2747
01:28:54,855 --> 01:28:56,355
and I just keep going

2748
01:28:56,423 --> 01:28:58,224
the way I was going.

2749
01:28:58,291 --> 01:29:01,260
I don't want that.

2750
01:29:01,328 --> 01:29:04,697
Option two is a hybrid of that

2751
01:29:04,764 --> 01:29:05,598
and where we sit today,

2752
01:29:05,665 --> 01:29:08,701
which is you struck a deal.

2753
01:29:08,768 --> 01:29:10,269
Travis gives you six,

2754
01:29:10,337 --> 01:29:12,538
whatever the suspension was.

2755
01:29:12,606 --> 01:29:14,206
He says nice things about you.

2756
01:29:14,274 --> 01:29:15,708
He maybe calls some of your

2757
01:29:15,775 --> 01:29:17,076
sponsors and says, "Hey,

2758
01:29:17,144 --> 01:29:18,210
please support him.

2759
01:29:18,278 --> 01:29:20,880
He's going to support us."

2760
01:29:20,947 --> 01:29:24,884
And you kind of get a pass.

2761
01:29:24,951 --> 01:29:26,719
Option three is the one I chose,

2762
01:29:26,786 --> 01:29:28,554
where it's like "Nope...you.

2763
01:29:28,622 --> 01:29:30,556
I'm going to kick your ass.

2764
01:29:30,624 --> 01:29:31,657
Bring it on."

2765
01:29:31,725 --> 01:29:32,925
And I lose.

2766
01:29:32,993 --> 01:29:36,061
Everything.

2767
01:29:36,129 --> 01:29:38,430
So I'm going to say it again.

2768
01:29:38,498 --> 01:29:39,932
I wouldn't change a thing.

2769
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,133
Option one and option two

2770
01:29:41,201 --> 01:29:42,067
don't get me

2771
01:29:42,135 --> 01:29:43,435
to the place where I am today,

2772
01:29:43,503 --> 01:29:44,436
sitting right here.

2773
01:29:44,504 --> 01:29:46,772
I needed a...nuclear

2774
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:47,907
meltdown.

2775
01:29:47,974 --> 01:29:51,477
And I got it.

2776
01:29:51,545 --> 01:29:52,778
Yes or no.

2777
01:29:52,846 --> 01:29:54,146
Did you ever take banned

2778
01:29:54,214 --> 01:29:55,648
substances to enhance your

2779
01:29:55,715 --> 01:29:56,916
cycling performance?

2780
01:29:56,983 --> 01:29:59,251
Yes.

2781
01:29:59,319 --> 01:30:01,086
Yes or no, was one of those

2782
01:30:01,154 --> 01:30:03,355
banned substances EPO?

2783
01:30:03,423 --> 01:30:05,324
Yes.

2784
01:30:05,392 --> 01:30:06,859
Did you ever blood dope

2785
01:30:06,927 --> 01:30:08,694
or use blood transfusions

2786
01:30:08,762 --> 01:30:09,428
to enhance

2787
01:30:09,496 --> 01:30:10,462
your cycling performance?

2788
01:30:10,530 --> 01:30:13,799
Yes.

2789
01:30:13,900 --> 01:30:14,667
Lance went to Oprah

2790
01:30:14,734 --> 01:30:15,467
by himself.

2791
01:30:15,535 --> 01:30:16,969
Didn't even tell our team.

2792
01:30:17,037 --> 01:30:18,137
He flew -- he was in Hawaii,

2793
01:30:18,204 --> 01:30:20,005
flew over to see her at her

2794
01:30:20,073 --> 01:30:20,706
home.

2795
01:30:20,774 --> 01:30:21,840
And said, "I'm thinking about

2796
01:30:21,908 --> 01:30:22,374
doing this.

2797
01:30:22,442 --> 01:30:23,809
I'm going to have to do it."

2798
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:24,710
He called Bill, Bart, and I

2799
01:30:24,778 --> 01:30:25,544
after.

2800
01:30:25,612 --> 01:30:27,680
We were like, "What?"

2801
01:30:27,781 --> 01:30:30,149
I remember he said --

2802
01:30:30,216 --> 01:30:30,983
I remember during

2803
01:30:31,051 --> 01:30:32,017
the conversation, I was like,

2804
01:30:32,085 --> 01:30:33,285
"Is this a done deal, or are

2805
01:30:33,353 --> 01:30:34,520
we still talking about this?"

2806
01:30:34,588 --> 01:30:36,355
He was like, "Well, she's coming

2807
01:30:36,423 --> 01:30:37,556
to town next week."

2808
01:30:37,624 --> 01:30:38,991
I'm like, "what, for a meeting?"

2809
01:30:39,059 --> 01:30:42,728
"No, for the interview."

2810
01:30:42,796 --> 01:30:43,662
I couldn't believe

2811
01:30:43,730 --> 01:30:45,230
that he was going to do it.

2812
01:30:45,298 --> 01:30:46,699
I couldn't believe that he was

2813
01:30:46,766 --> 01:30:48,300
going to do it with Oprah of all

2814
01:30:48,368 --> 01:30:50,302
people.

2815
01:30:50,370 --> 01:30:52,004
My second reaction was "Wow,

2816
01:30:52,072 --> 01:30:54,073
what about all these people

2817
01:30:54,140 --> 01:30:57,509
who had clung to the hope

2818
01:30:57,577 --> 01:30:59,011
that Lance was right

2819
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:01,180
and everybody else was wrong?

2820
01:31:01,247 --> 01:31:02,014
What's that going to be like

2821
01:31:02,082 --> 01:31:03,248
for them?"

2822
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:07,319
[ Indistinct conversations ]

2823
01:31:07,387 --> 01:31:08,988
I want to love Lance.

2824
01:31:09,055 --> 01:31:10,923
I still love him, I guess, at

2825
01:31:10,991 --> 01:31:11,590
heart.

2826
01:31:11,658 --> 01:31:13,559
But I think it's really shady

2827
01:31:13,627 --> 01:31:15,260
that he kept this from us.

2828
01:31:15,328 --> 01:31:16,495
We watched him

2829
01:31:16,563 --> 01:31:18,163
win seven times.

2830
01:31:18,231 --> 01:31:19,198
And we all just stood

2831
01:31:19,265 --> 01:31:20,933
in amazement.

2832
01:31:21,001 --> 01:31:22,434
And now to find out

2833
01:31:22,502 --> 01:31:25,337
that it was based on lies,

2834
01:31:25,405 --> 01:31:26,905
you know, it hurts all of us.

2835
01:31:26,973 --> 01:31:27,940
I'd like to think that

2836
01:31:28,008 --> 01:31:29,708
at some point, you know,

2837
01:31:29,776 --> 01:31:31,110
that he would be forgiven.

2838
01:31:31,177 --> 01:31:33,178
But the reality is I think

2839
01:31:33,246 --> 01:31:34,246
he burned those bridges

2840
01:31:34,314 --> 01:31:35,414
a long time ago.

2841
01:31:35,482 --> 01:31:36,281
I don't think there's

2842
01:31:36,349 --> 01:31:37,282
anything he can do to redeem

2843
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:41,053
himself in the public eye.

2844
01:31:41,121 --> 01:31:42,721
When people were saying

2845
01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:44,223
things, David Walsh,

2846
01:31:44,324 --> 01:31:45,724
<i>Sunday Times,</i>

2847
01:31:45,792 --> 01:31:48,060
Emma O'Reilly, Betsy Andreu, you

2848
01:31:48,128 --> 01:31:49,528
were suing people,

2849
01:31:49,596 --> 01:31:51,397
and you know that they're

2850
01:31:51,464 --> 01:31:53,632
telling the truth.

2851
01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:56,602
What is that?

2852
01:31:56,670 --> 01:31:58,871
It's a...

2853
01:31:58,938 --> 01:32:01,874
It's a major flaw.

2854
01:32:01,975 --> 01:32:03,442
The day before he taped

2855
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:05,944
with Oprah, he called.

2856
01:32:06,012 --> 01:32:10,315
And when he called,

2857
01:32:10,383 --> 01:32:13,285
Frankie said, "Come on.

2858
01:32:13,386 --> 01:32:14,586
He calls us the day

2859
01:32:14,654 --> 01:32:16,889
before he's taping with Oprah.

2860
01:32:16,956 --> 01:32:17,790
He's just calling her

2861
01:32:17,857 --> 01:32:20,292
because Oprah's going to ask,

2862
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,494
'Well, did you apologize

2863
01:32:22,562 --> 01:32:24,496
to the Andreus?'"

2864
01:32:24,564 --> 01:32:27,833
As if two words

2865
01:32:27,901 --> 01:32:34,106
can erase a decade-plus of evil.

2866
01:32:34,174 --> 01:32:36,475
Was Betsy telling the truth

2867
01:32:36,543 --> 01:32:38,477
about the Indiana Hospital,

2868
01:32:38,545 --> 01:32:41,146
overhearing you in 1996?

2869
01:32:41,214 --> 01:32:42,448
I'm not going to

2870
01:32:42,515 --> 01:32:43,816
take that on.

2871
01:32:43,883 --> 01:32:45,684
And I'm laying down on that one.

2872
01:32:45,752 --> 01:32:47,486
Was Betsy lying?

2873
01:32:47,554 --> 01:32:50,989
Um, I'm just not --

2874
01:32:51,057 --> 01:32:52,624
I'm going to put that one down.

2875
01:32:52,692 --> 01:32:55,160
If he will not admit

2876
01:32:55,228 --> 01:32:57,996
that this seminal incident,

2877
01:32:58,064 --> 01:32:59,364
which is germane to his

2878
01:32:59,432 --> 01:33:02,468
downfall, happened,

2879
01:33:02,535 --> 01:33:05,637
you have to question

2880
01:33:05,705 --> 01:33:08,874
everything else that he says.

2881
01:33:08,942 --> 01:33:10,175
If it makes everybody happy

2882
01:33:10,243 --> 01:33:11,210
that I say it happened,

2883
01:33:11,277 --> 01:33:12,478
I'm happy to say it happened.

2884
01:33:12,545 --> 01:33:13,812
But I'm also going to be honest

2885
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:15,147
with you and say I don't recall

2886
01:33:15,215 --> 01:33:15,814
it happening.

2887
01:33:15,882 --> 01:33:17,216
Is it well with the two of

2888
01:33:17,283 --> 01:33:17,616
you?

2889
01:33:17,684 --> 01:33:18,484
Have you made peace?

2890
01:33:18,551 --> 01:33:20,619
Oh.

2891
01:33:20,687 --> 01:33:21,687
No.

2892
01:33:21,755 --> 01:33:22,554
Okay.

2893
01:33:22,622 --> 01:33:25,124
Because...

2894
01:33:25,191 --> 01:33:27,960
Because they've been hurt too

2895
01:33:28,027 --> 01:33:29,628
badly.

2896
01:33:29,696 --> 01:33:33,665
And a 40-minute conversation

2897
01:33:33,733 --> 01:33:37,970
isn't enough.

2898
01:33:38,037 --> 01:33:39,671
Before Lance was going to

2899
01:33:39,739 --> 01:33:41,140
do Oprah, he was flying over to

2900
01:33:41,207 --> 01:33:43,675
Maui.

2901
01:33:43,743 --> 01:33:44,877
He was like, "I have to sit

2902
01:33:44,944 --> 01:33:49,081
the kids down and talk to them."

2903
01:33:49,182 --> 01:33:51,350
He had seen his son

2904
01:33:51,417 --> 01:33:54,887
having a really difficult time.

2905
01:33:54,954 --> 01:33:57,389
And he was devastated by it.

2906
01:33:57,457 --> 01:33:58,824
My dad eventually just had

2907
01:33:58,892 --> 01:33:59,725
to sit me down and tell me,

2908
01:33:59,793 --> 01:34:00,893
"like, that happened.

2909
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:01,827
Like, that's right.

2910
01:34:01,895 --> 01:34:03,195
You need to stop sticking up for

2911
01:34:03,263 --> 01:34:06,431
me, trying to protect me."

2912
01:34:06,533 --> 01:34:09,902
I saw my son defending me

2913
01:34:09,969 --> 01:34:12,237
and saying, "that's not true.

2914
01:34:12,305 --> 01:34:14,706
What you're saying about my dad

2915
01:34:14,774 --> 01:34:20,078
is not true."

2916
01:34:20,146 --> 01:34:22,014
You know, he can't...

2917
01:34:29,489 --> 01:34:32,124
Yeah.

2918
01:34:32,192 --> 01:34:35,427
If it was 2012, I was 12.

2919
01:34:35,495 --> 01:34:39,598
Seventh grade, I think.

2920
01:34:39,666 --> 01:34:40,866
To receive that news as, like,

2921
01:34:40,934 --> 01:34:41,867
a little kid, like, that

2922
01:34:41,935 --> 01:34:43,435
really kind of like flipped

2923
01:34:43,503 --> 01:34:47,406
my world upside down.

2924
01:34:47,473 --> 01:34:49,408
But it was seeing it on "Oprah"

2925
01:34:49,475 --> 01:34:52,277
that kind of like really set in.

2926
01:34:52,345 --> 01:34:53,212
I don't remember what day it was

2927
01:34:53,279 --> 01:34:54,246
but I had school.

2928
01:34:54,314 --> 01:34:55,314
And my mom came up to me that

2929
01:34:55,381 --> 01:34:55,747
morning.

2930
01:34:55,815 --> 01:34:56,748
She's like, "Luke, you know

2931
01:34:56,816 --> 01:34:57,783
you don't have to go, right?

2932
01:34:57,851 --> 01:34:58,450
Like, it's fine.

2933
01:34:58,518 --> 01:34:59,284
You can take a break.

2934
01:34:59,352 --> 01:35:01,920
You can take a day off."

2935
01:35:01,988 --> 01:35:03,088
I was like, "no, I want to go,"

2936
01:35:03,156 --> 01:35:04,990
'cause I didn't want to, like,

2937
01:35:05,058 --> 01:35:06,491
show that it was really

2938
01:35:06,559 --> 01:35:08,126
affecting me.

2939
01:35:08,228 --> 01:35:09,628
Watching my son get out of

2940
01:35:09,696 --> 01:35:11,096
the car, put on his backpack,

2941
01:35:11,164 --> 01:35:12,397
and walk up to his middle

2942
01:35:12,465 --> 01:35:13,899
school, and the crowd of kids

2943
01:35:13,967 --> 01:35:16,902
standing on the front lawn,

2944
01:35:16,970 --> 01:35:18,437
I looked at that kid and he took

2945
01:35:18,504 --> 01:35:19,671
a step out of that car

2946
01:35:19,739 --> 01:35:22,941
and a step into real manhood.

2947
01:35:23,042 --> 01:35:24,309
It broke my heart into

2948
01:35:24,377 --> 01:35:28,647
a thousand pieces.

2949
01:35:28,715 --> 01:35:30,816
He'd never said, Dad,

2950
01:35:30,884 --> 01:35:33,585
is this true?"

2951
01:35:33,653 --> 01:35:34,519
He trusted me.

2952
01:35:34,587 --> 01:35:37,623
Mm-hmm.

2953
01:35:37,690 --> 01:35:38,857
People ask me a lot, like,

2954
01:35:38,925 --> 01:35:40,626
"Why did you do 'Oprah'?"

2955
01:35:40,693 --> 01:35:42,094
And the reality is, I knew

2956
01:35:42,161 --> 01:35:43,629
that I was going to get sued

2957
01:35:43,696 --> 01:35:45,831
six ways to Sunday.

2958
01:35:45,899 --> 01:35:48,033
And with that comes depositions,

2959
01:35:48,101 --> 01:35:50,769
comes trials, comes sworn

2960
01:35:50,837 --> 01:35:51,370
testimony.

2961
01:35:51,437 --> 01:35:53,005
So I was going to have to say

2962
01:35:53,072 --> 01:35:54,273
those things.

2963
01:35:54,340 --> 01:35:55,374
And, so, I just wanted to say

2964
01:35:55,441 --> 01:35:59,177
them on my terms.

2965
01:35:59,245 --> 01:36:00,479
We have previously had a

2966
01:36:00,546 --> 01:36:01,647
deposition where you gave

2967
01:36:01,714 --> 01:36:02,281
testimony.

2968
01:36:02,348 --> 01:36:03,115
Is that correct?

2969
01:36:03,182 --> 01:36:03,715
Yes.

2970
01:36:03,783 --> 01:36:04,816
We started off this

2971
01:36:04,884 --> 01:36:06,118
deposition by you taking the

2972
01:36:06,185 --> 01:36:07,519
oath to tell the truth and the

2973
01:36:07,587 --> 01:36:08,186
whole truth.

2974
01:36:08,254 --> 01:36:09,187
Do you remember that oath?

2975
01:36:09,255 --> 01:36:09,621
I do.

2976
01:36:09,689 --> 01:36:10,689
And it's the same oath you

2977
01:36:10,757 --> 01:36:11,857
took the last time that I

2978
01:36:11,925 --> 01:36:12,557
deposed you.

2979
01:36:12,625 --> 01:36:13,058
Correct?

2980
01:36:13,126 --> 01:36:13,725
Correct.

2981
01:36:13,793 --> 01:36:15,560
But the last time I deposed

2982
01:36:15,628 --> 01:36:17,329
you, there is no dispute that

2983
01:36:17,397 --> 01:36:18,897
you gave false testimony.

2984
01:36:18,965 --> 01:36:19,665
Correct?

2985
01:36:19,732 --> 01:36:20,399
Correct.

2986
01:36:20,466 --> 01:36:21,700
What assurance do we have

2987
01:36:21,768 --> 01:36:23,068
that this time you are going to

2988
01:36:23,136 --> 01:36:24,403
tell the truth, when you took

2989
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:25,671
the same oath last time and

2990
01:36:25,738 --> 01:36:27,973
lied?

2991
01:36:28,074 --> 01:36:30,409
I understand

2992
01:36:30,476 --> 01:36:32,210
the significance.

2993
01:36:32,278 --> 01:36:33,345
You do recognize that there

2994
01:36:33,413 --> 01:36:34,713
is a legal obligation that

2995
01:36:34,781 --> 01:36:35,814
you are under to tell the truth

2996
01:36:35,882 --> 01:36:37,382
in this proceeding, correct?

2997
01:36:37,450 --> 01:36:38,083
Correct.

2998
01:36:38,151 --> 01:36:38,850
You do understand

2999
01:36:38,918 --> 01:36:40,485
that there can be both civil

3000
01:36:40,553 --> 01:36:42,554
and criminal penalties.

3001
01:36:42,655 --> 01:36:44,156
Who sued you?

3002
01:36:44,223 --> 01:36:45,324
The better question

3003
01:36:45,391 --> 01:36:47,359
is who didn't sue me?

3004
01:37:02,375 --> 01:37:03,275
It's not a pity party.

3005
01:37:03,343 --> 01:37:04,409
Like, no one's sitting there

3006
01:37:04,477 --> 01:37:05,344
like, "Oh, poor Lance.

3007
01:37:05,411 --> 01:37:07,245
He lost money."

3008
01:37:07,313 --> 01:37:08,447
You know, it's the fallout.

3009
01:37:08,514 --> 01:37:10,615
It's what happened from, you

3010
01:37:10,683 --> 01:37:13,251
know, doing what he did in the

3011
01:37:13,319 --> 01:37:13,685
sport.

3012
01:37:13,753 --> 01:37:15,187
So if you want to take the good,

3013
01:37:15,254 --> 01:37:16,288
you got to take the bad.

3014
01:37:16,356 --> 01:37:17,689
And he's the first to admit it.

3015
01:37:17,757 --> 01:37:19,691
Like, "Hey, I'm paying the

3016
01:37:19,759 --> 01:37:21,960
price, but I put myself here."

3017
01:37:26,632 --> 01:37:28,433
For a long time, he was just

3018
01:37:28,501 --> 01:37:30,535
angry or he was defensive,

3019
01:37:30,603 --> 01:37:32,871
or just pissed, you know, that

3020
01:37:32,939 --> 01:37:35,374
the whole thing was happening to

3021
01:37:35,441 --> 01:37:37,943
him.

3022
01:37:38,044 --> 01:37:40,312
I hated the idea of riding

3023
01:37:40,380 --> 01:37:42,447
bikes and...

3024
01:37:42,515 --> 01:37:43,949
[ Sighs ]

3025
01:37:44,017 --> 01:37:45,117
And the sport of cycling.

3026
01:37:45,184 --> 01:37:48,153
And I just hated it.

3027
01:37:51,124 --> 01:37:52,257
He kind of ran and hid and

3028
01:37:52,325 --> 01:37:53,392
just didn't want to talk to

3029
01:37:53,459 --> 01:37:54,459
anybody, didn't want to be

3030
01:37:54,527 --> 01:37:57,129
involved.

3031
01:37:57,230 --> 01:37:58,430
Funny, he would tell me he

3032
01:37:58,498 --> 01:37:59,731
doesn't read anything about

3033
01:37:59,799 --> 01:38:01,166
himself, but I'll mention some

3034
01:38:01,234 --> 01:38:02,567
obscure thing mentioned on an

3035
01:38:02,635 --> 01:38:05,771
obscure message board somewhere,

3036
01:38:05,838 --> 01:38:07,506
and he'll know about it.

3037
01:38:07,573 --> 01:38:08,673
And that was a fight for him

3038
01:38:08,741 --> 01:38:10,108
for a long time just to quit

3039
01:38:10,176 --> 01:38:13,278
worrying about the haters.

3040
01:38:13,513 --> 01:38:14,479
George gave me a call and

3041
01:38:14,547 --> 01:38:15,180
said, "Hey, man.

3042
01:38:15,248 --> 01:38:16,348
You know, I don't think Lance is

3043
01:38:16,416 --> 01:38:16,982
in a good way.

3044
01:38:17,050 --> 01:38:18,016
I know you're going to be in

3045
01:38:18,084 --> 01:38:20,919
Aspen."

3046
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:22,287
I was really concerned

3047
01:38:22,355 --> 01:38:23,789
about Lance's well-being,

3048
01:38:23,856 --> 01:38:25,257
making sure that he was okay,

3049
01:38:25,324 --> 01:38:28,493
first and foremost.

3050
01:38:28,561 --> 01:38:29,327
Everyone has their timeline

3051
01:38:29,395 --> 01:38:30,162
of how they get through this

3052
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:31,696
process, and --

3053
01:38:31,764 --> 01:38:33,165
But by the time I went and

3054
01:38:33,232 --> 01:38:35,267
and met him for a drink

3055
01:38:35,334 --> 01:38:36,635
down at J Bar, he was

3056
01:38:36,702 --> 01:38:38,270
obviously way behind me in that

3057
01:38:38,337 --> 01:38:39,871
process, because the amount of

3058
01:38:39,939 --> 01:38:41,540
venom that was coming out of him

3059
01:38:41,607 --> 01:38:43,508
was -- I've never had to leave a

3060
01:38:43,576 --> 01:38:44,976
bar and go have a drink

3061
01:38:45,044 --> 01:38:45,977
after the bar.

3062
01:38:46,045 --> 01:38:47,312
Like, that was that kind of --

3063
01:38:47,380 --> 01:38:48,313
that was that kind of

3064
01:38:48,381 --> 01:38:49,848
conversation.

3065
01:38:53,753 --> 01:38:55,320
The last time I saw him was him

3066
01:38:55,388 --> 01:38:56,655
doing the same thing for

3067
01:38:56,722 --> 01:39:00,559
Jan Ullrich.

3068
01:39:00,626 --> 01:39:01,893
Talk to me about why

3069
01:39:01,961 --> 01:39:06,298
you went to Germany to see Jan.

3070
01:39:06,365 --> 01:39:09,301
Ugh.

3071
01:39:09,368 --> 01:39:11,503
I mean...

3072
01:39:11,571 --> 01:39:14,806
it's just a terrible situation.

3073
01:39:18,544 --> 01:39:19,744
Jan was in that era, right?

3074
01:39:19,812 --> 01:39:20,912
He was in that cesspool

3075
01:39:20,980 --> 01:39:22,414
that we were all in.

3076
01:39:22,482 --> 01:39:23,515
And he got caught

3077
01:39:23,583 --> 01:39:26,918
like we all got caught, right?

3078
01:39:26,986 --> 01:39:29,554
And so the reason I went to see

3079
01:39:29,622 --> 01:39:32,791
him is I love him.

3080
01:39:58,584 --> 01:40:01,453
[ Groans ]

3081
01:40:08,427 --> 01:40:09,594
Wow.

3082
01:40:09,662 --> 01:40:12,631
[ Sniffles ]

3083
01:40:12,698 --> 01:40:14,366
Anyways...

3084
01:40:14,433 --> 01:40:15,901
[ Coughs ]

3085
01:40:15,968 --> 01:40:20,038
It was not a good trip.

3086
01:40:20,106 --> 01:40:21,473
I mean, he was the most

3087
01:40:21,541 --> 01:40:26,044
important person in my life.

3088
01:40:26,112 --> 01:40:27,245
Nobody scared me.

3089
01:40:27,313 --> 01:40:29,447
Nobody motivated me.

3090
01:40:29,515 --> 01:40:31,082
These other guys,

3091
01:40:31,150 --> 01:40:32,551
whether it's -- you know,

3092
01:40:32,618 --> 01:40:33,785
no disrespect to them,

3093
01:40:33,853 --> 01:40:35,954
but they didn't get me up early.

3094
01:40:36,022 --> 01:40:39,491
He got me up early.

3095
01:40:39,559 --> 01:40:42,627
And he just, uh...

3096
01:40:42,695 --> 01:40:44,129
He was just a...mess.

3097
01:40:56,976 --> 01:40:58,443
When I look at Jan's situation

3098
01:40:58,511 --> 01:40:59,477
and I look at my situation,

3099
01:40:59,545 --> 01:41:00,478
because they're very similar,

3100
01:41:00,546 --> 01:41:01,813
and the timings were similar,

3101
01:41:01,881 --> 01:41:05,684
you know, he had all the things

3102
01:41:05,751 --> 01:41:07,986
that I had.

3103
01:41:08,054 --> 01:41:10,121
He had a wife.

3104
01:41:10,189 --> 01:41:11,590
He had children.

3105
01:41:11,657 --> 01:41:14,025
He had money.

3106
01:41:14,093 --> 01:41:15,260
And that wasn't enough

3107
01:41:15,328 --> 01:41:17,329
to keep him together.

3108
01:41:23,402 --> 01:41:25,203
And the...sport

3109
01:41:25,271 --> 01:41:26,771
did it to him.

3110
01:41:26,839 --> 01:41:29,641
And the media let them do it.

3111
01:41:35,281 --> 01:41:37,782
The country of Italy

3112
01:41:37,850 --> 01:41:39,651
glorifies Ivan Basso,

3113
01:41:39,719 --> 01:41:41,219
idolizes, puts him up there,

3114
01:41:41,287 --> 01:41:42,053
gives him jobs,

3115
01:41:42,121 --> 01:41:44,222
invites him to races.

3116
01:41:44,290 --> 01:41:46,124
Puts him on TV.

3117
01:41:46,192 --> 01:41:46,992
He's no different

3118
01:41:47,059 --> 01:41:48,994
than any of us.

3119
01:41:49,061 --> 01:41:50,996
Yet, they disgrace

3120
01:41:51,063 --> 01:41:51,997
Marco Pantani.

3121
01:41:52,064 --> 01:41:53,398
They destroy him in the press.

3122
01:41:53,466 --> 01:41:54,699
They kick him out of the sport,

3123
01:41:54,767 --> 01:41:56,868
and he's dead.

3124
01:41:56,936 --> 01:42:01,072
He's...dead.

3125
01:42:01,140 --> 01:42:04,409
The country of Germany idolizes

3126
01:42:04,477 --> 01:42:06,077
Erik Zabel, Rolf Aldag,

3127
01:42:06,145 --> 01:42:07,379
gives them jobs, puts them on

3128
01:42:07,446 --> 01:42:08,546
TV, invites them to races,

3129
01:42:08,614 --> 01:42:10,482
puts them on the podium.

3130
01:42:10,549 --> 01:42:11,483
And they disgrace and they

3131
01:42:11,550 --> 01:42:13,251
destroy and they...ruin

3132
01:42:13,319 --> 01:42:15,086
Jan Ullrich's life.

3133
01:42:15,154 --> 01:42:16,554
Why?

3134
01:42:16,622 --> 01:42:19,057
The country of America

3135
01:42:19,125 --> 01:42:20,358
idolizes, worships,

3136
01:42:20,426 --> 01:42:21,660
glorifies George Hincapie.

3137
01:42:21,727 --> 01:42:22,527
Invites him to races,

3138
01:42:22,595 --> 01:42:25,363
gives him jobs, buys his...

3139
01:42:25,431 --> 01:42:26,731
And they disgrace and destroy

3140
01:42:26,799 --> 01:42:28,900
me.

3141
01:42:28,968 --> 01:42:31,069
That's why I went.

3142
01:42:31,137 --> 01:42:33,405
Because that's...

3143
01:42:56,495 --> 01:42:58,563
To say that he is the same

3144
01:42:58,631 --> 01:43:01,199
as Jan Ullrich or Ivan Basso

3145
01:43:01,267 --> 01:43:04,069
or name your other prominent

3146
01:43:04,136 --> 01:43:05,637
cyclists from that time,

3147
01:43:05,705 --> 01:43:10,608
it's just not true.

3148
01:43:10,676 --> 01:43:13,945
None of them had what he had.

3149
01:43:21,053 --> 01:43:22,620
The longer I've been inside

3150
01:43:22,688 --> 01:43:25,056
of this world,

3151
01:43:25,124 --> 01:43:26,224
I don't even know anymore where

3152
01:43:26,292 --> 01:43:28,326
the line is between good people

3153
01:43:28,394 --> 01:43:30,795
who do bad things and bad people

3154
01:43:30,863 --> 01:43:34,332
who do good things.

3155
01:43:34,433 --> 01:43:35,567
There is this, like,

3156
01:43:35,634 --> 01:43:37,168
Shakespearean quality to the

3157
01:43:37,236 --> 01:43:39,270
whole thing.

3158
01:43:39,338 --> 01:43:40,839
You just have to, like, enjoy

3159
01:43:40,906 --> 01:43:42,774
the infinite complexity

3160
01:43:42,842 --> 01:43:43,742
of the characters.

3161
01:43:43,809 --> 01:43:45,744
Like, 'cause there are no

3162
01:43:45,811 --> 01:43:47,612
obvious bad and good guys.

3163
01:43:51,517 --> 01:43:52,584
Lance didn't invent doping.

3164
01:43:52,651 --> 01:43:53,918
This is not --

3165
01:43:53,986 --> 01:43:55,086
It wasn't his idea.

3166
01:43:55,154 --> 01:43:56,588
And he shouldn't be treated any

3167
01:43:56,655 --> 01:43:57,355
differently than

3168
01:43:57,423 --> 01:43:58,757
Jonathan Vaughters just because

3169
01:43:58,824 --> 01:43:59,958
he's a better athlete that

3170
01:44:00,025 --> 01:44:00,992
happened to take the same drugs.

3171
01:44:01,060 --> 01:44:02,026
I don't understand how one guy

3172
01:44:02,094 --> 01:44:03,094
ends up being the Messiah

3173
01:44:03,162 --> 01:44:04,629
that's curing doping

3174
01:44:04,697 --> 01:44:06,664
and the other guy's somehow

3175
01:44:06,732 --> 01:44:08,333
the outcast.

3176
01:44:11,370 --> 01:44:13,705
I'm going to be

3177
01:44:13,773 --> 01:44:15,340
naturally skeptical

3178
01:44:15,407 --> 01:44:20,712
of whatever Lance does or says.

3179
01:44:20,780 --> 01:44:21,613
There's pretty good reason

3180
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:22,614
for that.

3181
01:44:22,681 --> 01:44:23,681
But by the same token,

3182
01:44:23,749 --> 01:44:26,551
I'm not ruling out the fact

3183
01:44:26,619 --> 01:44:29,053
that he may have some other role

3184
01:44:29,121 --> 01:44:31,890
to play in some positive way.

3185
01:44:31,957 --> 01:44:34,125
I don't know.

3186
01:44:34,226 --> 01:44:36,561
30 years of knowing a person,

3187
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:37,695
you either love them

3188
01:44:37,763 --> 01:44:39,030
or hate them.

3189
01:44:39,098 --> 01:44:42,066
I still haven't decided

3190
01:44:42,134 --> 01:44:44,869
where I stand after all that.

3191
01:44:44,937 --> 01:44:45,637
I really hated him

3192
01:44:45,704 --> 01:44:47,639
for a long time.

3193
01:44:47,706 --> 01:44:49,908
But I had to let that go

3194
01:44:49,975 --> 01:44:51,876
and just move forward.

3195
01:44:57,183 --> 01:44:58,650
With regards to how I carried

3196
01:44:58,717 --> 01:45:01,419
myself as the leader of a sport,

3197
01:45:01,487 --> 01:45:02,520
the leader of a cause,

3198
01:45:02,588 --> 01:45:04,355
the leader of all these

3199
01:45:04,423 --> 01:45:06,858
communities...

3200
01:45:06,926 --> 01:45:08,593
Inexcusable.

3201
01:45:08,661 --> 01:45:10,562
Totally inappropriate behavior,

3202
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:11,563
totally took advantage

3203
01:45:11,630 --> 01:45:14,999
of my stature.

3204
01:45:15,067 --> 01:45:18,269
And for that, I'm deeply sorry.

3205
01:45:18,337 --> 01:45:20,405
And I wish I could change that.

3206
01:45:20,472 --> 01:45:21,906
I wish I could have been

3207
01:45:21,974 --> 01:45:23,575
a better man.

3208
01:45:29,281 --> 01:45:30,515
All I can do is say I'm sorry

3209
01:45:30,583 --> 01:45:33,451
and move on and hope that others

3210
01:45:33,519 --> 01:45:38,857
do, too.

3211
01:45:38,924 --> 01:45:40,358
So that means all that gets to

3212
01:45:40,426 --> 01:45:41,759
is how do you sleep at night,

3213
01:45:41,827 --> 01:45:42,694
right?

3214
01:45:42,761 --> 01:45:44,696
Can you live with yourself?

3215
01:45:44,763 --> 01:45:48,299
And I can.