1 00:00:08,618 --> 00:00:11,322 A man walks into the appliance repair shop. 2 00:00:11,389 --> 00:00:13,527 Mark Chynoweth is in there by himself. 3 00:00:25,017 --> 00:00:27,722 And the killer opens fire. 4 00:00:32,231 --> 00:00:34,268 Simultaneously, Eddie Marston 5 00:00:34,335 --> 00:00:36,540 is at a house in an Irving neighborhood. 6 00:00:36,607 --> 00:00:40,080 A black Silverado pickup truck pulls up, a guy gets out... 7 00:00:43,253 --> 00:00:44,990 Shoots Eddie Marston dead. 8 00:00:50,869 --> 00:00:53,440 While those two murders are happening, 9 00:00:53,507 --> 00:00:57,114 a black Silverado pickup truck pulls up on Rena Street. 10 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,790 Gunman gets out... 11 00:01:04,729 --> 00:01:07,101 Shoots Duane Chynoweth dead in the driveway. 12 00:01:12,679 --> 00:01:15,084 Sitting in the pickup truck 13 00:01:15,151 --> 00:01:17,421 is eight-year-old Jenny Chynoweth, 14 00:01:17,488 --> 00:01:20,661 who just witnessed her father being murdered. 15 00:01:22,431 --> 00:01:25,337 The little girl, Jennifer, starts screaming. 16 00:01:27,341 --> 00:01:29,846 The killer reaches in through the window 17 00:01:29,913 --> 00:01:33,755 and just shoots her point-blank range in the head. 18 00:02:21,516 --> 00:02:23,654 - This was the first time 19 00:02:23,721 --> 00:02:26,425 in all of the years I lived with Mark and Lillian 20 00:02:26,492 --> 00:02:29,498 I did not have to go to work sick. 21 00:02:29,566 --> 00:02:31,436 But I was going to have to stay home 22 00:02:31,504 --> 00:02:33,106 and take care of the kids. 23 00:02:35,978 --> 00:02:37,982 Like a typical summer day, 24 00:02:38,049 --> 00:02:40,855 I'm home with my siblings in Houston, 12 years old. 25 00:02:40,922 --> 00:02:41,990 School's out. 26 00:02:42,057 --> 00:02:43,460 Was outside playing basketball, 27 00:02:43,528 --> 00:02:44,996 and the phone was ringing. 28 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:53,079 - And it was one of the men that worked for Mark. 29 00:02:53,146 --> 00:02:57,956 And he's like, Anna, are you and the kids okay? 30 00:02:58,022 --> 00:02:59,693 I was like, yes. 31 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,364 And he's like, there's a truck and a car coming. 32 00:03:02,431 --> 00:03:04,637 They'll be at your house any minute. 33 00:03:04,703 --> 00:03:07,040 Get the children, gather them up, 34 00:03:07,107 --> 00:03:10,247 and you get in the cars as quickly as you can. 35 00:03:14,154 --> 00:03:16,326 The energy just leaves your body, 36 00:03:16,392 --> 00:03:18,262 and your knees are shaking. 37 00:03:18,329 --> 00:03:20,433 Everything just starts shaking. 38 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:26,547 - I came in, and I said, well, you know, what happened? 39 00:03:26,614 --> 00:03:29,151 She told me that, now I just need you to listen 40 00:03:29,218 --> 00:03:32,157 and do what I'm saying. 41 00:03:32,224 --> 00:03:35,196 I knew instantly. 42 00:03:35,263 --> 00:03:37,836 This was, like, the dreaded day. 43 00:03:37,902 --> 00:03:40,908 I thought, my dad's dead. 44 00:03:40,975 --> 00:03:45,585 - I have that awareness, too, that this was probably our dad. 45 00:03:45,652 --> 00:03:47,020 I just remember just, like, hitting my knees 46 00:03:47,087 --> 00:03:50,160 and just praying that nothing was happening, 47 00:03:50,227 --> 00:03:51,296 you know, to Dad. 48 00:03:51,362 --> 00:03:53,033 Like, God, please protect my dad. 49 00:03:53,099 --> 00:03:55,304 Please don't let this be. 50 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:58,075 - I gathered up the kids as quickly as I could. 51 00:03:58,142 --> 00:04:01,282 I start, you know, getting them out the door. 52 00:04:05,658 --> 00:04:07,260 I have no idea what's going on, 53 00:04:07,327 --> 00:04:10,033 but my worst nightmares, I know, are coming true. 54 00:04:14,843 --> 00:04:16,980 In Texas, 4 people were murdered 55 00:04:17,047 --> 00:04:19,351 in separate attacks within 15 minutes. 56 00:04:19,418 --> 00:04:22,959 In Houston, Mark Chynoweth was shot dead behind the counter 57 00:04:23,026 --> 00:04:24,563 of his secondhand store. 58 00:04:24,630 --> 00:04:26,934 - We do not know what the motive for it is. 59 00:04:27,001 --> 00:04:29,539 We have been told by several persons 60 00:04:29,606 --> 00:04:31,275 that he was a member 61 00:04:31,342 --> 00:04:34,616 of some type of a fraternal organization. 62 00:04:34,683 --> 00:04:36,586 - Three middle-class businessmen, 63 00:04:36,653 --> 00:04:38,558 one innocent eight-year-old child, 64 00:04:38,624 --> 00:04:40,728 all killed in the same day, 65 00:04:40,795 --> 00:04:42,799 all killed about the same time, 66 00:04:42,866 --> 00:04:47,007 all shot by weapons of destructive caliber. 67 00:04:47,074 --> 00:04:51,082 Even in Houston, which has more than its fair share 68 00:04:51,149 --> 00:04:54,155 of homicides, this is... 69 00:04:54,222 --> 00:04:55,824 this is different. 70 00:04:55,891 --> 00:04:58,396 - These murders get dubbed "the 4 o'clock murders." 71 00:04:58,462 --> 00:05:00,066 The press picks it up. 72 00:05:00,133 --> 00:05:02,772 And June 27 at 4:00 73 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,443 is not just any time for Mormons. 74 00:05:05,511 --> 00:05:07,749 It's the exact time Mormon founder 75 00:05:07,816 --> 00:05:11,824 and prophet Joseph Smith was killed in Carthage Jail 76 00:05:11,891 --> 00:05:14,161 by an angry mob. 77 00:05:14,228 --> 00:05:17,602 - The homicides, all three, were very well organized. 78 00:05:17,668 --> 00:05:19,272 And they almost always want to make sure 79 00:05:19,338 --> 00:05:20,641 the victim was at some place 80 00:05:20,708 --> 00:05:22,579 where they felt comfortable or normal. 81 00:05:22,645 --> 00:05:25,117 These are assassinations. 82 00:05:25,183 --> 00:05:27,054 They were carrying these murders out 83 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,356 in broad daylight. 84 00:05:28,423 --> 00:05:30,493 What the killers decided to do was, 85 00:05:30,561 --> 00:05:32,698 they would all wear matching disguises, 86 00:05:32,765 --> 00:05:36,205 and they would all have the same stolen pickup truck 87 00:05:36,272 --> 00:05:37,708 that they would be driving. 88 00:05:37,775 --> 00:05:40,414 So, if there were eyewitnesses, and there were, 89 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,554 all the descriptions would perfectly match. 90 00:05:45,190 --> 00:05:47,962 Somebody had really thought this thing through 91 00:05:48,029 --> 00:05:50,133 and really planned. 92 00:05:52,739 --> 00:05:54,542 So now police are left with, 93 00:05:54,609 --> 00:05:56,847 who would have come up with such a coordinated 94 00:05:56,914 --> 00:06:00,888 and complex plot to execute these men at the same time? 95 00:06:07,835 --> 00:06:10,508 They bring all the kids to this friend's house. 96 00:06:10,575 --> 00:06:12,211 Nobody will tell me what's going on, 97 00:06:12,278 --> 00:06:15,016 and I'm like, can you please tell me what's going on? 98 00:06:15,083 --> 00:06:18,389 We have to just wait. You have to just wait. 99 00:06:18,456 --> 00:06:20,360 It was actually the pastor of our church-- 100 00:06:20,426 --> 00:06:24,435 his wife gathered us together in this friend's living room, 101 00:06:24,502 --> 00:06:27,107 just said it really straight to all of us. 102 00:06:27,174 --> 00:06:29,813 - "I hate to tell you kids, but your dad's dead." 103 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:32,050 And there was just, like... 104 00:06:32,117 --> 00:06:36,760 Just this-- just horrible, like, wailing. 105 00:06:36,827 --> 00:06:40,466 To this day, that sound never leaves. 106 00:06:41,937 --> 00:06:43,908 I knew that I didn't want Celia 107 00:06:43,974 --> 00:06:48,249 to find out about Mark from anyone else but me. 108 00:06:51,489 --> 00:06:55,196 - She says, Celia, Mark has been shot. 109 00:06:58,670 --> 00:07:02,077 And my knees just grow weak, 110 00:07:02,144 --> 00:07:05,651 and I lose it. 111 00:07:08,289 --> 00:07:10,895 And then we find out that Duane 112 00:07:10,962 --> 00:07:13,867 and his little daughter Jenny 113 00:07:13,934 --> 00:07:17,374 and our half-brother Ed were also murdered. 114 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:24,288 When police talked to the families, 115 00:07:24,355 --> 00:07:26,125 they started figuring out the connection. 116 00:07:26,192 --> 00:07:30,000 They learned about this hit list. 117 00:07:30,066 --> 00:07:33,372 They had a sense of who was behind this. 118 00:07:36,211 --> 00:07:38,550 - We knew, and no one had to tell us. 119 00:07:38,617 --> 00:07:40,420 - No one had to tell us. - We didn't have to ask. 120 00:07:40,487 --> 00:07:41,890 - Yeah. 121 00:07:41,957 --> 00:07:43,827 - It was other parts of our family. 122 00:07:43,894 --> 00:07:46,165 Other people that we loved... Mm-hmm. 123 00:07:46,231 --> 00:07:49,138 - Were killing these precious humans 124 00:07:49,204 --> 00:07:50,908 that we adored. Mm-hmm, yeah. 125 00:07:50,975 --> 00:07:53,312 This time, when the authorities and the police 126 00:07:53,379 --> 00:07:56,520 are asking me to name names and identify people... 127 00:07:59,224 --> 00:08:03,501 I was able to say who I knew and what I knew. 128 00:08:03,567 --> 00:08:06,171 I didn't have to say, I don't know. 129 00:08:06,238 --> 00:08:09,946 We knew they were blood atonements. 130 00:08:10,013 --> 00:08:13,787 - They were carrying out our father's revelations 131 00:08:13,854 --> 00:08:16,425 from The Book of the New Covenant. 132 00:08:18,496 --> 00:08:21,368 - Chynoweth and Marston families were devout followers 133 00:08:21,435 --> 00:08:22,839 of Ervil LeBaron. 134 00:08:22,906 --> 00:08:24,676 But apparently they defected-- 135 00:08:24,742 --> 00:08:27,247 a sin, according to LeBaron religious doctrine. 136 00:08:27,313 --> 00:08:30,721 Some people close to that sect would say that on June 27th, 137 00:08:30,788 --> 00:08:32,959 they were punished for their sin. 138 00:08:35,363 --> 00:08:39,137 - After they had interviewed the Chynoweth family, 139 00:08:39,204 --> 00:08:42,778 there were people that they suspected of being involved, 140 00:08:42,845 --> 00:08:45,083 specifically the group 141 00:08:45,149 --> 00:08:47,988 called the Kingdom of God on Earth, the KOG, 142 00:08:48,055 --> 00:08:50,393 that's run by Heber LeBaron, 143 00:08:50,460 --> 00:08:54,001 along with his brother Aaron in Mexico. 144 00:08:54,068 --> 00:08:57,909 Law enforcement was puzzled by these four murders in Texas. 145 00:08:57,976 --> 00:09:00,982 They needed more information in order to understand 146 00:09:01,048 --> 00:09:03,252 how this could happen the way it happened. 147 00:09:03,319 --> 00:09:06,926 And being the lead Assistant U.S. Attorney at the time, 148 00:09:06,993 --> 00:09:09,231 it became my responsibility 149 00:09:09,298 --> 00:09:12,370 to coordinate things from here. 150 00:09:12,437 --> 00:09:15,309 It was a really tough case. 151 00:09:15,376 --> 00:09:20,186 Houston PD did not have a lot of evidence to work with-- 152 00:09:20,253 --> 00:09:23,760 no fingerprints, no positive identifications. 153 00:09:23,827 --> 00:09:26,298 They were getting nowhere. 154 00:09:26,365 --> 00:09:28,537 They knew who ordered the murders, 155 00:09:28,604 --> 00:09:30,240 but they couldn't arrest him, 156 00:09:30,306 --> 00:09:33,346 because Ervil LeBaron had been dead 157 00:09:33,412 --> 00:09:35,350 for over seven years. 158 00:09:42,230 --> 00:09:44,435 - After Mark died, we all got to go home-- 159 00:09:44,502 --> 00:09:46,873 me and the children--to be with Lillian at our house. 160 00:09:46,940 --> 00:09:49,311 We know that it's possible 161 00:09:49,378 --> 00:09:51,950 that somebody could come after her, too. 162 00:09:52,017 --> 00:09:54,522 - There was a very compelling belief 163 00:09:54,589 --> 00:09:56,092 that my mother, Lillian, 164 00:09:56,158 --> 00:09:58,296 was supposed to be killed the same day, 165 00:09:58,362 --> 00:10:01,235 that they would come back and kill her. 166 00:10:01,302 --> 00:10:03,741 And because a child had been killed, 167 00:10:03,808 --> 00:10:06,713 would more children be killed? 168 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:08,917 - We were absolutely terrified. 169 00:10:08,984 --> 00:10:12,157 And there's a SWAT team surrounding our house. 170 00:10:12,223 --> 00:10:15,797 They had installed motion-detection lighting. 171 00:10:15,864 --> 00:10:18,135 We could not go outside at all. 172 00:10:20,173 --> 00:10:22,344 And I'm at the iron downstairs, 173 00:10:22,411 --> 00:10:24,549 helping get the clothes ready for the funeral. 174 00:10:24,615 --> 00:10:27,320 And all of a sudden... 175 00:10:27,387 --> 00:10:29,759 all the lights go out in the house, 176 00:10:29,826 --> 00:10:33,166 and we are left in pitch-dark. 177 00:10:33,232 --> 00:10:35,137 - When the lights went out, it felt like, 178 00:10:35,203 --> 00:10:37,474 wait a minute, the security's failed. 179 00:10:37,541 --> 00:10:38,877 Yeah. 180 00:10:40,413 --> 00:10:44,221 - We were in the pitch-black, just crawling. 181 00:10:46,292 --> 00:10:49,331 I'm scrambling around. I find Celia, and we're like-- 182 00:10:49,398 --> 00:10:50,834 We go hide in the bathtub. 183 00:10:50,901 --> 00:10:52,170 We go hide in the bathtub. 184 00:10:52,237 --> 00:10:53,907 We make ourselves as small as we can. 185 00:10:53,974 --> 00:10:55,377 Barely breathing. 186 00:10:55,444 --> 00:10:57,314 We're just shaking with fear, thinking, 187 00:10:57,380 --> 00:10:59,217 somebody's going to come in here and shoot me. 188 00:10:59,284 --> 00:11:01,355 - I thought people were going to burst in and start shooting. 189 00:11:01,422 --> 00:11:03,493 Burst in and murder us, for sure. 190 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,369 Time passes. 191 00:11:08,435 --> 00:11:11,342 And then all of a sudden, the lights come back on. 192 00:11:15,116 --> 00:11:18,757 And it was faulty wiring with the motion detectors. 193 00:11:23,466 --> 00:11:25,771 - After the 4 o'clock murders, 194 00:11:25,838 --> 00:11:27,742 we were still in Denver, 195 00:11:27,809 --> 00:11:31,516 and we were... 196 00:11:31,583 --> 00:11:33,654 still trying to live our lives, 197 00:11:33,721 --> 00:11:37,661 but we knew my mom, Anna Mae, 198 00:11:37,728 --> 00:11:39,464 was on that hit list. 199 00:11:41,001 --> 00:11:43,272 So, at the age of 13, 200 00:11:43,339 --> 00:11:45,611 I was given a gun. 201 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:50,621 Whenever my mom answered the door, 202 00:11:50,688 --> 00:11:54,729 I was to aim that gun out the living-room window. 203 00:11:54,796 --> 00:11:57,467 And if it was any of my siblings, 204 00:11:57,535 --> 00:12:01,275 if you saw anybody draw a gun, you were to pull the trigger. 205 00:12:03,747 --> 00:12:05,383 It was understood, there was probably 206 00:12:05,450 --> 00:12:07,154 going to be somebody coming trying to kill us, 207 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:08,857 so you have to shoot first. 208 00:12:08,924 --> 00:12:10,794 You shoot to kill. 209 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:14,134 - We were petrified. 210 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,107 We thought they would come and kill us at any moment. 211 00:12:17,173 --> 00:12:18,242 And they knew where all of our homes were, 212 00:12:18,309 --> 00:12:19,979 'cause they were living with us. 213 00:12:20,046 --> 00:12:22,618 - We were like, we have to get out of town. 214 00:12:22,685 --> 00:12:24,789 We have to leave Denver. 215 00:12:25,858 --> 00:12:28,196 The map was spread out, and there was these conversations 216 00:12:28,263 --> 00:12:30,868 going back and forth about where we should go. 217 00:12:30,935 --> 00:12:32,906 But nobody really had any real-world experience 218 00:12:32,972 --> 00:12:35,978 of anywhere else. 219 00:12:36,045 --> 00:12:37,748 I had heard about Oregon before, 220 00:12:37,815 --> 00:12:39,084 and it sounded really cool to me. 221 00:12:39,151 --> 00:12:40,754 So I was like, we should go to Oregon. 222 00:12:40,821 --> 00:12:42,891 It seemed far enough away to be safe, 223 00:12:42,958 --> 00:12:44,294 and nobody would expect it 224 00:12:44,361 --> 00:12:47,300 because that's nowhere we'd ever lived before. 225 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:50,607 Pretty soon, the decision was made--we're going to Oregon. 226 00:12:50,674 --> 00:12:52,076 - We had a huge caravan. 227 00:12:52,143 --> 00:12:53,814 We all left in the middle of the night. 228 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,285 Our homes were completely intact. 229 00:12:56,352 --> 00:12:59,692 We took a few clothes, a few things, and left. 230 00:13:04,836 --> 00:13:06,071 Do you know that 231 00:13:06,138 --> 00:13:09,077 after the 4 o'clock murders happened, 232 00:13:09,144 --> 00:13:11,984 I had to start carrying a gun, too? 233 00:13:12,050 --> 00:13:13,386 - I didn't know that. 234 00:13:13,452 --> 00:13:15,190 I was working in the appliance shop, 235 00:13:15,256 --> 00:13:17,427 and I carried a gun to work. 236 00:13:17,494 --> 00:13:20,399 I remember the feeling of the heaviness of it 237 00:13:20,466 --> 00:13:22,136 in my pocket. 238 00:13:22,203 --> 00:13:24,341 I remember driving back. 239 00:13:24,408 --> 00:13:27,313 After Mark was killed, I had to go back into the shop. 240 00:13:27,380 --> 00:13:29,351 And so they said, it hasn't been cleaned up yet. 241 00:13:29,418 --> 00:13:33,325 Oh! How many days after? - Like, the next day. 242 00:13:33,392 --> 00:13:35,597 - Oh, no, really? It was like-- 243 00:13:39,939 --> 00:13:42,645 The carpet still had his blood on it. 244 00:13:49,157 --> 00:13:50,627 The day of the funeral, 245 00:13:50,694 --> 00:13:54,735 the emphasis was not on grieving their loss. 246 00:13:54,802 --> 00:13:56,940 It was on survival. 247 00:13:57,006 --> 00:14:00,279 It was a terrorizing event. 248 00:14:00,346 --> 00:14:03,620 Fear had gripped everyone. 249 00:14:03,687 --> 00:14:05,791 The victims were all members 250 00:14:05,858 --> 00:14:07,594 of the Chynoweth family. 251 00:14:07,661 --> 00:14:10,399 They'd been linked with several murders themselves, 252 00:14:10,466 --> 00:14:13,205 but they'd left the LeBaron church to start a new life 253 00:14:13,272 --> 00:14:15,210 away from the violence. 254 00:14:15,277 --> 00:14:19,384 - Using the past example of the Rulon Allred funeral, 255 00:14:19,450 --> 00:14:23,226 designed to lure Verlan to his death, 256 00:14:23,292 --> 00:14:25,029 the authorities were really worried 257 00:14:25,096 --> 00:14:26,899 that the same thing could happen 258 00:14:26,966 --> 00:14:29,204 with the Chynoweth and the Marston funerals. 259 00:14:30,941 --> 00:14:32,678 - There are some who aren't here, 260 00:14:32,745 --> 00:14:34,281 who would like to be here. 261 00:14:34,348 --> 00:14:36,284 They're concerned for their safety. 262 00:14:36,351 --> 00:14:39,291 Your brother Victor? - Yes. 263 00:14:39,358 --> 00:14:41,529 Your sister Rena? - Yes. 264 00:14:44,835 --> 00:14:47,273 - There was a perimeter created 265 00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:49,845 around where we were going to bury our loved ones. 266 00:14:49,912 --> 00:14:52,718 They were protecting us from anybody else 267 00:14:52,784 --> 00:14:54,989 that might want to take out more hits 268 00:14:55,055 --> 00:14:56,491 during the gathering. 269 00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:58,597 - There were snipers in the trees. 270 00:14:58,663 --> 00:15:00,935 - There were friends of mine who didn't come to the funeral 271 00:15:01,001 --> 00:15:02,237 and told me, I'm very sorry. 272 00:15:02,304 --> 00:15:03,540 I can't go to your dad's funeral. 273 00:15:03,607 --> 00:15:05,243 I'm afraid I'm going to be killed. 274 00:15:05,309 --> 00:15:08,984 - There's an overarching sense of just terror. 275 00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:10,788 The boogeyman is really big. 276 00:15:10,855 --> 00:15:14,595 Anywhere, anytime, you don't really know what or why. 277 00:15:18,537 --> 00:15:21,776 Right after the funeral, literally within 24 hours, 278 00:15:21,843 --> 00:15:23,111 we had to be packed and ready 279 00:15:23,178 --> 00:15:25,551 and were whisked away by the FBI 280 00:15:25,618 --> 00:15:27,320 into Witness Protection. 281 00:15:27,387 --> 00:15:29,124 They changed our last name to DeVeaux, 282 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:30,927 and that we had to be very careful. 283 00:15:30,994 --> 00:15:32,464 We couldn't tell anyone where we were. 284 00:15:32,532 --> 00:15:35,670 - We couldn't hardly ever leave. 285 00:15:35,737 --> 00:15:37,674 And our mother-- she had lost everything. 286 00:15:37,741 --> 00:15:39,110 She had lost her whole community, 287 00:15:39,177 --> 00:15:41,516 her support structure, her family. 288 00:15:41,583 --> 00:15:46,458 She was spiraling into just a depressive state. 289 00:15:46,526 --> 00:15:48,630 My dad was such a rock-- 290 00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:50,266 I mean, for her, for us... 291 00:15:50,333 --> 00:15:52,036 Mm-hmm. - For our community. 292 00:15:52,103 --> 00:15:53,974 That... 293 00:15:54,041 --> 00:15:56,980 loss was really incalculable. - Yeah. 294 00:15:57,046 --> 00:15:59,819 - And I think it's something that... 295 00:15:59,886 --> 00:16:03,492 you know, honestly, she just never recovered from. 296 00:16:08,736 --> 00:16:10,707 We have four murders. 297 00:16:10,774 --> 00:16:12,077 These weren't random killings. 298 00:16:12,144 --> 00:16:14,214 They were targeted assassinations. 299 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,184 Law enforcement had a pretty good idea 300 00:16:16,251 --> 00:16:18,355 Heber and Aaron did this, 301 00:16:18,422 --> 00:16:21,563 but they didn't have the necessary evidence 302 00:16:21,630 --> 00:16:23,098 to prove it. 303 00:16:24,769 --> 00:16:28,275 And then not long after the murders, 304 00:16:28,342 --> 00:16:31,583 there was a development 305 00:16:31,649 --> 00:16:33,720 that proved to be very important. 306 00:16:37,260 --> 00:16:39,197 Police in Arizona get a tip 307 00:16:39,264 --> 00:16:40,432 that this group of people 308 00:16:40,499 --> 00:16:42,470 are staying in this dingy motel, 309 00:16:42,538 --> 00:16:44,207 acting a little suspicious. 310 00:16:44,274 --> 00:16:45,977 And when police arrive, 311 00:16:46,044 --> 00:16:48,616 they find this group of clean-cut kids 312 00:16:48,683 --> 00:16:50,755 driving stolen cars. 313 00:16:50,821 --> 00:16:53,392 As police dig through the cars for evidence, 314 00:16:53,459 --> 00:16:55,296 they find a copy of a newspaper 315 00:16:55,363 --> 00:16:57,467 reporting on the 4 o'clock murders 316 00:16:57,535 --> 00:17:00,740 the day after it had happened. 317 00:17:00,807 --> 00:17:04,481 There's also a map of the Houston area. 318 00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:07,286 Rena Street is circled right in the middle-- 319 00:17:07,353 --> 00:17:09,592 the street where Duane 320 00:17:09,659 --> 00:17:12,731 and his eight-year-old daughter Jenny were murdered. 321 00:17:12,798 --> 00:17:15,036 - There were a number of other things, 322 00:17:15,102 --> 00:17:18,510 like what appeared to be disguises. 323 00:17:18,577 --> 00:17:21,515 The stuff that was in these trucks 324 00:17:21,582 --> 00:17:24,454 was pretty good circumstantial evidence 325 00:17:24,522 --> 00:17:26,324 that these people had something to do 326 00:17:26,391 --> 00:17:29,732 with what had gone on in Texas. 327 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:33,740 The police arrested them on auto-theft charges. 328 00:17:33,806 --> 00:17:37,013 And one of the men... 329 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,885 happens to be Heber LeBaron. 330 00:17:45,597 --> 00:17:47,199 Authorities say it wasn't until a week later 331 00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:48,603 when a Phoenix investigator 332 00:17:48,670 --> 00:17:50,339 called the Houston Police Department 333 00:17:50,406 --> 00:17:52,310 that they realized who they had. 334 00:17:52,377 --> 00:17:53,980 - Investigators began talking to one another 335 00:17:54,047 --> 00:17:57,888 and put together some details that were similar, 336 00:17:57,955 --> 00:18:00,092 both in Houston and in Phoenix. 337 00:18:00,159 --> 00:18:02,798 And it was that type of information yesterday 338 00:18:02,865 --> 00:18:04,635 that led our investigators 339 00:18:04,702 --> 00:18:06,471 to believe that the people that we already had in custody 340 00:18:06,539 --> 00:18:09,277 could, in fact, be involved in some cases in Houston. 341 00:18:09,344 --> 00:18:11,749 - I've been a prosecuting attorney for over 40 years. 342 00:18:11,816 --> 00:18:14,622 I was called to the office of the United States Attorney, 343 00:18:14,688 --> 00:18:18,563 who had a case that they would like us to handle for them, 344 00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:21,569 and this turned out to be the LeBaron case. 345 00:18:21,636 --> 00:18:23,840 So, as they start piecing together 346 00:18:23,907 --> 00:18:25,844 this terrifying LeBaron puzzle, 347 00:18:25,911 --> 00:18:29,251 they think that Heber is the leader 348 00:18:29,318 --> 00:18:32,456 of the 4 o'clock assassinations. 349 00:18:32,524 --> 00:18:35,496 But the problem is, they're having a very difficult time 350 00:18:35,564 --> 00:18:37,367 putting together a case to try him 351 00:18:37,434 --> 00:18:39,739 and other members of the KOG. 352 00:18:42,912 --> 00:18:45,884 The big problem with the case was, 353 00:18:45,951 --> 00:18:48,155 you have these murders 354 00:18:48,222 --> 00:18:51,394 where they match up in almost every way. 355 00:18:51,461 --> 00:18:54,835 It's like one killer had cloned himself or herself, 356 00:18:54,902 --> 00:18:58,208 acted in three places at the exact same moment. 357 00:18:58,275 --> 00:19:00,479 And in American law, 358 00:19:00,547 --> 00:19:02,718 you have to know which one did which murder. 359 00:19:05,255 --> 00:19:08,997 The police knew, the FBI knew who the three killers were. 360 00:19:09,064 --> 00:19:12,805 They were very confident that the killers were Heber... 361 00:19:15,844 --> 00:19:18,750 Richard LeBaron... 362 00:19:18,816 --> 00:19:21,622 and Doug Barlow. 363 00:19:21,689 --> 00:19:24,862 What they couldn't do was match up 364 00:19:24,928 --> 00:19:27,066 which of those three had done which murder. 365 00:19:27,133 --> 00:19:29,939 And if you can't do that, you can't bring somebody to trial. 366 00:19:32,711 --> 00:19:34,648 What did we have? We had nothing. 367 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:36,853 No one can put them there at the time, 368 00:19:36,919 --> 00:19:39,458 no person to put them in Texas at the time, 369 00:19:39,525 --> 00:19:40,828 no person to put them, 370 00:19:40,894 --> 00:19:43,232 you know, acquiring these things, really. 371 00:19:43,298 --> 00:19:45,403 And even then, if you could put them acquiring the things, 372 00:19:45,469 --> 00:19:47,708 how could you relate the things to the actual event? 373 00:19:47,775 --> 00:19:48,877 You couldn't. 374 00:19:48,944 --> 00:19:51,214 - You can think you've got the right people, 375 00:19:51,281 --> 00:19:53,018 but you still have to meet the standard. 376 00:19:53,084 --> 00:19:55,423 You have to prove things beyond a reasonable doubt 377 00:19:55,489 --> 00:19:57,293 when you get to trial. 378 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:58,730 - But in Arizona, 379 00:19:58,796 --> 00:20:01,368 officials aren't having a hard time at all 380 00:20:01,434 --> 00:20:04,073 building a pretty solid auto-theft case. 381 00:20:07,981 --> 00:20:11,155 When they get busted on the auto-theft charges, 382 00:20:11,221 --> 00:20:13,826 they make the decision to plead out, 383 00:20:13,893 --> 00:20:14,895 to plead guilty to them. 384 00:20:14,962 --> 00:20:16,365 My feeling is they do it 385 00:20:16,432 --> 00:20:19,337 because you'll get a lesser sentence by pleading guilty, 386 00:20:19,404 --> 00:20:21,274 rather than going to trial. 387 00:20:21,341 --> 00:20:25,149 And then maybe you sort of fall off the radar down the road 388 00:20:25,215 --> 00:20:26,719 on these murders you did. 389 00:20:26,786 --> 00:20:28,990 So I think that for a lot of strategic reasons, 390 00:20:29,056 --> 00:20:32,063 they thought, okay, let's just plead out. 391 00:20:34,635 --> 00:20:36,405 You've got Heber LeBaron 392 00:20:36,471 --> 00:20:38,776 and Doug Barlow sentenced to 10 years, 393 00:20:38,843 --> 00:20:41,481 and Richard LeBaron is sentenced to 3 1/2 years, 394 00:20:41,549 --> 00:20:42,817 because he's a minor. 395 00:20:42,884 --> 00:20:45,791 But in 1988, it was pretty common for convicts 396 00:20:45,857 --> 00:20:49,430 to serve half the time sentence or even less. 397 00:20:49,497 --> 00:20:52,036 So they were still a threat. 398 00:20:56,078 --> 00:20:57,446 - Before Mark died, 399 00:20:57,514 --> 00:21:00,153 I had already been accepted into a college. 400 00:21:00,219 --> 00:21:02,090 I was so excited. 401 00:21:02,156 --> 00:21:04,561 After Mark died 402 00:21:04,628 --> 00:21:07,534 and the 4 o'clock murders happened, 403 00:21:07,601 --> 00:21:11,074 there was a big discussion among the administration. 404 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:14,816 They thought that if the parents found out 405 00:21:14,882 --> 00:21:16,051 who I was 406 00:21:16,117 --> 00:21:18,589 that they would unenroll their children 407 00:21:18,656 --> 00:21:20,760 if they didn't think they were safe. 408 00:21:20,827 --> 00:21:23,733 They told me if I changed my name 409 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,041 and swear that I was not going to reveal who I was 410 00:21:28,108 --> 00:21:30,379 to any of the students, 411 00:21:30,446 --> 00:21:33,285 they would let me come. 412 00:21:33,352 --> 00:21:37,093 It was a very weighty decision for me, 413 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,299 especially because I knew 414 00:21:40,366 --> 00:21:43,371 how much Lillian depended on me. 415 00:21:43,438 --> 00:21:44,808 But at the same time, 416 00:21:44,875 --> 00:21:48,115 I felt like I had to move on with my life. 417 00:21:48,181 --> 00:21:50,119 So I told Lillian that I had made the decision 418 00:21:50,186 --> 00:21:53,125 that I wanted to go ahead and continue my education 419 00:21:53,191 --> 00:21:54,628 and go to college. 420 00:21:54,695 --> 00:21:57,366 And she was supportive of that. 421 00:21:59,705 --> 00:22:02,944 I mean, it was hard to leave the children behind-- 422 00:22:03,011 --> 00:22:05,851 you know, Emily and Lisa and the other kids-- 423 00:22:05,918 --> 00:22:07,688 because I was so close to them 424 00:22:07,754 --> 00:22:10,693 and I was so involved in their lives. 425 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,703 But I felt like I was doing the right thing. 426 00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:20,446 - During this time where my mother was really suffering, 427 00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:22,718 her life as she had known it had collapsed. 428 00:22:22,785 --> 00:22:25,590 And I think that as strong as my mother was, of course, 429 00:22:25,657 --> 00:22:27,628 there was just an aloneness at that time 430 00:22:27,695 --> 00:22:30,499 that just can't be overstated. 431 00:22:30,567 --> 00:22:33,640 I remember that morning. 432 00:22:33,706 --> 00:22:38,549 I got up and went to check on the laundry. 433 00:22:38,616 --> 00:22:40,853 And my mom was standing in there. 434 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,158 She turned around, and she was crying. 435 00:22:43,225 --> 00:22:45,764 And then I said, Mom, I just want to let you know, 436 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:48,904 we're going to be okay, that I really feel like, you know, 437 00:22:48,970 --> 00:22:52,176 God's going to take care of us and we're going to be okay. 438 00:22:55,717 --> 00:22:57,453 And I hugged her. 439 00:22:57,521 --> 00:22:59,090 I went back to bed. 440 00:22:59,157 --> 00:23:03,031 And, I mean, it was really only minutes later, 441 00:23:03,098 --> 00:23:04,935 I heard the sound 442 00:23:05,002 --> 00:23:08,209 of what, you know, you know is a gunshot sound. 443 00:23:08,275 --> 00:23:09,611 And then... 444 00:23:14,988 --> 00:23:18,262 I just--I knew she was gone. 445 00:23:18,329 --> 00:23:19,966 I just remember thinking, 446 00:23:20,032 --> 00:23:24,808 I can't believe our whole life is turned so upside down. 447 00:23:27,313 --> 00:23:31,154 When Lillian took her own life... 448 00:23:31,221 --> 00:23:34,226 I remember just being shocked. 449 00:23:34,293 --> 00:23:36,497 It was like losing your mom. 450 00:23:38,068 --> 00:23:40,205 - The tragedy of Lillian's suicide 451 00:23:40,272 --> 00:23:41,709 is that she was just one 452 00:23:41,776 --> 00:23:44,281 in a list of many former followers 453 00:23:44,347 --> 00:23:46,518 who took their own lives. 454 00:23:47,988 --> 00:23:49,792 Three years after testifying 455 00:23:49,858 --> 00:23:53,633 against his own father in court... 456 00:23:53,699 --> 00:23:57,239 Isaac LeBaron died by suicide as well. 457 00:24:05,823 --> 00:24:07,627 In this period after, 458 00:24:07,694 --> 00:24:10,465 the murder case in Houston had cooled off some. 459 00:24:11,903 --> 00:24:13,573 Leads had been exhausted. 460 00:24:13,639 --> 00:24:16,812 All the people that could have been talked to were talked to, 461 00:24:16,879 --> 00:24:21,121 but it really wasn't leading to anything specific. 462 00:24:21,188 --> 00:24:24,962 Police have Heber in jail for auto theft... 463 00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:28,369 but he's essentially gotten away with murder. 464 00:24:28,435 --> 00:24:30,138 Without a major break 465 00:24:30,205 --> 00:24:32,978 or someone from the KOG coming forward, 466 00:24:33,045 --> 00:24:36,518 the murders are in danger of never being solved. 467 00:24:36,585 --> 00:24:38,956 - You don't prosecute a Mafia don 468 00:24:39,023 --> 00:24:42,998 without somebody in the family turning 469 00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:47,139 and giving evidence against the Mafia don. 470 00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:49,277 It's the same thing with this family. 471 00:24:49,343 --> 00:24:52,416 They may be even a tougher nut to crack 472 00:24:52,483 --> 00:24:55,122 because they're related by blood 473 00:24:55,189 --> 00:24:58,062 and they're related by this ideology 474 00:24:58,128 --> 00:25:01,802 that has vengeance and violence at its core. 475 00:25:01,869 --> 00:25:04,174 What law enforcement needed badly 476 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,481 was someone on the inside who could open the door. 477 00:25:12,056 --> 00:25:16,699 The Utah detective gets a phone call... 478 00:25:16,765 --> 00:25:19,337 from Cynthia LeBaron, 479 00:25:19,404 --> 00:25:21,876 who was down in Mexico. 480 00:25:21,943 --> 00:25:24,949 Cynthia is a daughter of Ervil LeBaron. 481 00:25:25,015 --> 00:25:27,687 Cynthia tells the detective 482 00:25:27,754 --> 00:25:31,461 that some things have happened in Mexico, 483 00:25:31,529 --> 00:25:36,037 that she and her sister were afraid for their lives, 484 00:25:36,104 --> 00:25:38,809 that they would be willing to talk. 485 00:25:38,876 --> 00:25:41,014 She wants us to meet her in Texas. 486 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,218 - This is a huge break for law enforcement 487 00:25:43,285 --> 00:25:45,189 because she was part of the group in Phoenix. 488 00:25:45,255 --> 00:25:48,763 They know she knows who did what in the 4 o'clock murders. 489 00:25:51,001 --> 00:25:52,938 So Cynthia comes across. 490 00:25:53,005 --> 00:25:56,477 She's met by investigators at the U.S.-Mexican border. 491 00:25:58,649 --> 00:25:59,952 Now, on the one hand, 492 00:26:00,018 --> 00:26:02,390 we thought we're being set up for an ambush. 493 00:26:02,456 --> 00:26:05,663 On the other hand, we thought, well, maybe they're serious. 494 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:07,567 We can't ignore this possibility. 495 00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:09,103 We have to take advantage of it. 496 00:26:09,170 --> 00:26:12,209 - That very same day, they cut a deal. 497 00:26:12,276 --> 00:26:16,652 Anything she says in this interview... 498 00:26:16,719 --> 00:26:18,422 will not be used against her. 499 00:26:18,488 --> 00:26:22,764 So, once she gets that promise, she starts singing. 500 00:26:26,872 --> 00:26:30,011 - Cynthia and I were best friends as little girls. 501 00:26:30,078 --> 00:26:34,019 - Cynthia and her siblings 502 00:26:34,086 --> 00:26:36,424 lived with us in Ensenada. 503 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:39,999 Their mother would go to the U.S. to work, 504 00:26:40,065 --> 00:26:43,304 and my mom helped raise those children at the time. 505 00:26:43,371 --> 00:26:46,612 So we knew them very well. 506 00:26:46,678 --> 00:26:49,951 - Cynthia admitted to her part 507 00:26:50,018 --> 00:26:52,657 in the plot to kill the people in Texas. 508 00:26:54,895 --> 00:26:57,032 She admitted to keeping surveillance 509 00:26:57,099 --> 00:26:58,803 on one of the victims. 510 00:26:58,869 --> 00:27:00,807 Cynthia was basically a lookout. 511 00:27:00,873 --> 00:27:03,613 She called Heber and said, he's there now. 512 00:27:05,817 --> 00:27:08,188 She knew all about the plan--she was part of it. 513 00:27:08,254 --> 00:27:10,861 She described who was assigned to do what, 514 00:27:10,927 --> 00:27:13,733 who was to kill Duane, who was to kill Mark, 515 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,505 who was to kill Ed. 516 00:27:16,572 --> 00:27:18,910 - She not only names Heber and the other killers 517 00:27:18,976 --> 00:27:20,513 in the 4 o'clock murders. 518 00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:23,819 She gives investigators another piece of evidence, which is, 519 00:27:23,886 --> 00:27:26,692 Aaron is in charge of the KOG. 520 00:27:30,032 --> 00:27:32,236 Heber is his hitman. 521 00:27:34,273 --> 00:27:36,779 And they had planned the 4 o'clock murders 522 00:27:36,845 --> 00:27:39,216 for 2 years. 523 00:27:39,283 --> 00:27:41,221 All along, law enforcement 524 00:27:41,288 --> 00:27:44,728 has been thinking that Heber LeBaron 525 00:27:44,795 --> 00:27:47,868 was the one mighty and strong-- he is the leader of the cult. 526 00:27:47,935 --> 00:27:50,372 But in fact, it was Aaron LeBaron 527 00:27:50,439 --> 00:27:52,577 who was the one mighty and strong. 528 00:27:55,282 --> 00:27:59,925 - Basically, we learned that Aaron is more like Ervil, 529 00:27:59,992 --> 00:28:02,531 in the sense that Aaron 530 00:28:02,598 --> 00:28:05,604 understands the religion really, really, really well 531 00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:09,244 and is more hands off. 532 00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:12,517 They were told from the time they were born 533 00:28:12,584 --> 00:28:16,424 that they were the anointed, that they were the exceptional, 534 00:28:16,491 --> 00:28:18,862 that they were the people that were going to inherit 535 00:28:18,929 --> 00:28:21,000 the Kingdom of God on Earth 536 00:28:21,067 --> 00:28:24,440 if they did the things Ervil expected them to do. 537 00:28:25,944 --> 00:28:27,880 - The information that Cynthia had 538 00:28:27,947 --> 00:28:31,020 became extremely valuable in multiple cases, 539 00:28:31,087 --> 00:28:33,491 including Dan Jordan's murder. 540 00:28:35,329 --> 00:28:38,168 Cynthia knew the plan for killing Dan Jordan. 541 00:28:38,235 --> 00:28:41,909 She knew who was communicating to the people in Mexico 542 00:28:41,975 --> 00:28:43,478 to get it done. 543 00:28:45,182 --> 00:28:48,054 - Cynthia told them that the KOG purposely played 544 00:28:48,121 --> 00:28:51,461 on Dan's sympathies to get in with the family. 545 00:28:51,528 --> 00:28:53,800 This really was a long con. 546 00:28:53,867 --> 00:28:57,507 While KOG members and Aaron are living with Dan Jordan, 547 00:28:57,574 --> 00:29:01,248 Heber's hiding out in Mexico for months, 548 00:29:01,314 --> 00:29:03,919 just waiting for the right time and the right moment 549 00:29:03,986 --> 00:29:05,923 for Dan Jordan's murder. 550 00:29:07,627 --> 00:29:08,963 They knew the hunting trip 551 00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:12,302 would be a time that Dan would be isolated. 552 00:29:12,369 --> 00:29:15,876 Aaron tells Heber when and where they would be. 553 00:29:15,943 --> 00:29:17,881 Heber comes up from Mexico. 554 00:29:17,948 --> 00:29:19,918 Now he's hiding in the woods, 555 00:29:19,984 --> 00:29:22,791 lying in wait to kill Dan Jordan. 556 00:29:24,294 --> 00:29:27,533 Aaron orchestrated a near-perfect crime. 557 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,540 - Aaron was still out there on the run, 558 00:29:30,606 --> 00:29:33,913 and the possibility of him coming to kill you 559 00:29:33,979 --> 00:29:36,952 for one reason or another still existed. 560 00:29:37,019 --> 00:29:41,027 But what we'd just been told by Cynthia 561 00:29:41,094 --> 00:29:42,864 was a game changer. 562 00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:46,338 It was what we needed to get a case prosecuted 563 00:29:46,404 --> 00:29:48,241 in Texas, 564 00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:51,682 and Cynthia was taken into the Witness Protection Program 565 00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:56,123 almost immediately after she gave us this information. 566 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:59,330 - Even though Aaron remains a fugitive on the lam, 567 00:29:59,397 --> 00:30:01,869 the Feds decide to go ahead and prosecute 568 00:30:01,935 --> 00:30:03,973 the remaining suspects in custody. 569 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,886 But until Aaron is behind bars... 570 00:30:10,953 --> 00:30:12,289 the threat of violence 571 00:30:12,356 --> 00:30:14,728 is always in the back of people's minds. 572 00:30:25,951 --> 00:30:27,219 For my birthday, 573 00:30:27,286 --> 00:30:30,058 Mark and Lillian had purchased me a hope chest... 574 00:30:30,125 --> 00:30:31,795 - Hope chest, yeah. 575 00:30:31,862 --> 00:30:33,532 - Where I could begin planning 576 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,206 for my future life as a married woman. 577 00:30:37,272 --> 00:30:40,813 And so, when I had a boyfriend for the very first time, 578 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,183 I strongly suspected 579 00:30:42,249 --> 00:30:44,555 that he was going to ask me to marry him. 580 00:30:44,621 --> 00:30:47,393 And, you know, of course, the answer was yes. 581 00:30:47,459 --> 00:30:52,336 I was operating on probably less than a shoestring budget. 582 00:30:52,403 --> 00:30:54,941 And Celia had a friend of our family 583 00:30:55,008 --> 00:30:57,246 give me a beautiful dress. 584 00:30:57,313 --> 00:30:59,416 - I got to be her bridesmaid. 585 00:31:02,289 --> 00:31:03,458 I had looked forward 586 00:31:03,525 --> 00:31:05,964 to Lillian helping me plan my wedding 587 00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:07,365 and looked forward 588 00:31:07,432 --> 00:31:10,706 to Mark giving me away on my wedding day. 589 00:31:10,773 --> 00:31:12,711 Mark and Lillian were very absent. 590 00:31:12,777 --> 00:31:15,448 And Mark and Lillian were very absent. 591 00:31:18,054 --> 00:31:20,091 We were trying to move on with our lives, 592 00:31:20,158 --> 00:31:22,530 but things from our past 593 00:31:22,597 --> 00:31:25,904 kept coming back and kept coming back. 594 00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:28,074 - It was still in the back of our minds, 595 00:31:28,141 --> 00:31:30,379 the KOG and the events and-- Yeah. 596 00:31:30,445 --> 00:31:33,117 - That, you know, there could be danger. 597 00:31:37,761 --> 00:31:39,631 The victims were one-time followers 598 00:31:39,698 --> 00:31:41,735 who dared break away and were cut down 599 00:31:41,801 --> 00:31:43,438 in what is known as a blood atonement. 600 00:31:43,506 --> 00:31:45,577 This is how authorities view that atonement 601 00:31:45,643 --> 00:31:46,878 in the indictment. 602 00:31:46,945 --> 00:31:49,183 - Conspiracy to commit murder for hire, 603 00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:50,920 interstate and foreign travel 604 00:31:50,986 --> 00:31:52,557 for the purpose of murder for hire. 605 00:31:52,624 --> 00:31:54,594 - Prosecutors believe that they'll be able, 606 00:31:54,661 --> 00:31:56,898 with a conviction, to get a lengthy sentence 607 00:31:56,965 --> 00:31:58,569 without any probability of parole. 608 00:31:58,636 --> 00:32:02,777 - Even though they're in prison under auto-theft charges, 609 00:32:02,844 --> 00:32:05,082 Heber and his associates, 610 00:32:05,149 --> 00:32:07,788 Richard LeBaron and Doug Barlow, 611 00:32:07,854 --> 00:32:09,390 get put on trial. 612 00:32:09,457 --> 00:32:11,294 - As an assistant federal public defender, 613 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,599 I was assigned to represent Heber LeBaron, 614 00:32:13,666 --> 00:32:15,803 the lead defendant in this case. 615 00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:18,942 I did not expect him to be... 616 00:32:19,009 --> 00:32:23,753 as college-kid-looking as he turned out to be... 617 00:32:23,819 --> 00:32:25,890 nor, in the end, did I expect him to be 618 00:32:25,957 --> 00:32:28,963 as candid as he was with me. 619 00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:32,804 Heber truly believed... 620 00:32:32,871 --> 00:32:35,977 what his father had told him and raised him to be. 621 00:32:36,044 --> 00:32:37,547 He believed that they were obligated 622 00:32:37,614 --> 00:32:40,586 to kill the people they were told to kill 623 00:32:40,653 --> 00:32:42,289 in order to inherit 624 00:32:42,356 --> 00:32:44,894 all the material and spiritual wealth 625 00:32:44,961 --> 00:32:46,030 of the world. 626 00:32:49,203 --> 00:32:50,472 During the trial, 627 00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:53,111 Heber was as detached as anything else-- 628 00:32:53,178 --> 00:32:55,750 just detached, not part of this. 629 00:32:55,817 --> 00:32:57,654 I'm above it all. 630 00:32:57,721 --> 00:33:00,092 I'm not going to give this the dignity 631 00:33:00,158 --> 00:33:02,495 of paying careful attention, 632 00:33:02,563 --> 00:33:04,668 although I think they were listening very carefully 633 00:33:04,734 --> 00:33:07,841 to everything that was being said... 634 00:33:07,908 --> 00:33:11,213 particularly when Cynthia took the witness stand. 635 00:33:13,852 --> 00:33:16,457 - I had to deal with the devil, 636 00:33:16,525 --> 00:33:18,763 and I'll stand by that deal. 637 00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:20,365 But without her, 638 00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:23,605 there would have been no prosecution, none. 639 00:33:24,707 --> 00:33:27,914 Cynthia laid things out just as she had laid them out 640 00:33:27,981 --> 00:33:29,049 for us... 641 00:33:31,421 --> 00:33:36,097 Fearlessly, without looking or sounding intimidated, 642 00:33:36,163 --> 00:33:40,706 nervous, or uncomfortable in any way... 643 00:33:40,773 --> 00:33:43,612 although I'm sure she was all three. 644 00:33:46,083 --> 00:33:47,820 The trial lasted for four days. 645 00:33:50,291 --> 00:33:52,329 At the end of four days, it was given to the jury. 646 00:33:52,395 --> 00:33:53,766 It was in the jury's hands. 647 00:33:53,833 --> 00:33:57,339 - The outcome was in doubt, because it's a jury trial, 648 00:33:57,406 --> 00:33:59,611 and we only had to win one juror's imagination 649 00:33:59,678 --> 00:34:01,648 to hang it up. 650 00:34:01,715 --> 00:34:03,986 - I felt if we did not get a conviction, 651 00:34:04,053 --> 00:34:06,156 more people were going to die. 652 00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:12,002 - After so much injustice that followed this family, 653 00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:14,473 the verdict comes down, 654 00:34:14,541 --> 00:34:18,381 and it's guilty for all three perpetrators. 655 00:34:18,448 --> 00:34:22,455 Heber and Doug get life sentences 656 00:34:22,523 --> 00:34:24,493 for the 4 o'clock murders. 657 00:34:24,561 --> 00:34:26,463 - I think Heber has killed before, 658 00:34:26,531 --> 00:34:28,602 and I think he enjoyed killing. 659 00:34:28,668 --> 00:34:30,673 So, no, I don't think life's appropriate. 660 00:34:30,739 --> 00:34:31,875 The death penalty is. 661 00:34:31,941 --> 00:34:35,783 - As for Richard, he reaches a plea agreement 662 00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:39,189 and serves five years. 663 00:34:39,256 --> 00:34:41,394 - When I found out later about the verdict 664 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:43,331 and that they were going to be spending 665 00:34:43,398 --> 00:34:45,001 a lot of time in prison, 666 00:34:45,068 --> 00:34:46,705 I felt safer. 667 00:34:46,772 --> 00:34:48,809 It was better that they be in prison, 668 00:34:48,876 --> 00:34:51,649 but there are a lot of mixed emotions. 669 00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:53,017 - Yes. 670 00:34:53,084 --> 00:34:55,055 - These are people that you love, that you care about. 671 00:34:55,122 --> 00:34:56,625 It was heart-wrenching. 672 00:34:56,692 --> 00:35:00,800 - I mean, anybody that was close to the story, I think, 673 00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:03,471 felt a collective relief. 674 00:35:03,539 --> 00:35:06,645 You know, Heber did send us a letter 675 00:35:06,711 --> 00:35:08,782 that he wanted to take responsibility 676 00:35:08,849 --> 00:35:11,420 and acknowledge for killing our father 677 00:35:11,487 --> 00:35:13,593 and acknowledge the role 678 00:35:13,659 --> 00:35:15,896 that he played in our mother's death. 679 00:35:19,336 --> 00:35:22,209 But I will never forget our mother, 680 00:35:22,276 --> 00:35:26,150 in her deepest grief, prayed and forgave him 681 00:35:26,216 --> 00:35:27,954 and told us, you have to forgive him 682 00:35:28,021 --> 00:35:31,461 and, like, release him, that God will handle it. 683 00:35:31,528 --> 00:35:34,967 We did not grow up with the burden of unforgiveness. 684 00:35:35,034 --> 00:35:38,340 And it's the most tremendous gift 685 00:35:38,407 --> 00:35:40,211 that our mother really could've ever given us, 686 00:35:40,278 --> 00:35:42,082 as far as I'm concerned. 687 00:35:42,149 --> 00:35:43,619 - Lisa and I have been through... 688 00:35:43,686 --> 00:35:46,992 - A lot. - A lot of complex situations. 689 00:35:47,058 --> 00:35:48,562 And, you know, here we are. 690 00:35:48,629 --> 00:35:51,000 We still have a very close bond, 691 00:35:51,067 --> 00:35:52,368 and I'm very grateful. - Mm-hmm. 692 00:35:52,435 --> 00:35:55,475 There was just such profound fear for so long. 693 00:35:55,543 --> 00:35:57,680 So I was like, I'm not going to let this run my life. 694 00:35:57,747 --> 00:36:00,318 I'm not going to run away from death 695 00:36:00,385 --> 00:36:01,421 and these gruesome things. 696 00:36:01,487 --> 00:36:03,391 I'm going to... 697 00:36:03,458 --> 00:36:05,094 make it my bitch. 698 00:36:09,002 --> 00:36:10,673 - It's hard to decide 699 00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:13,913 if justice is ever served when so much is lost, 700 00:36:13,979 --> 00:36:16,751 but I think this was finally a step in the right direction. 701 00:36:16,818 --> 00:36:19,891 But someone was still skirting justice. 702 00:36:19,958 --> 00:36:22,062 Aaron LeBaron, now 24, 703 00:36:22,129 --> 00:36:24,299 leader of the conspiracy, according to authorities, 704 00:36:24,366 --> 00:36:25,702 still at large in Mexico, 705 00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:27,139 Aaron having been designated 706 00:36:27,205 --> 00:36:29,309 as the grand patriarch of this violent sect. 707 00:36:36,123 --> 00:36:39,296 - In 1995, we learned that Aaron's been taken 708 00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:41,000 into custody in Mexico. 709 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,511 - We finally were able to convince Mexico 710 00:36:46,578 --> 00:36:50,085 to arrest him and get him extradited. 711 00:36:50,152 --> 00:36:52,055 - I didn't give orders, 712 00:36:52,122 --> 00:36:54,961 neither am I leader of a cult like the newspapers say. 713 00:36:55,028 --> 00:36:58,669 I'm a... 714 00:36:58,736 --> 00:37:00,873 director of an English school. 715 00:37:00,939 --> 00:37:03,745 I believe in... 716 00:37:03,812 --> 00:37:06,450 giving to other people and helping other people. 717 00:37:09,590 --> 00:37:10,893 I wouldn't look at him 718 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,001 and say, jeez, this guy is a master criminal. 719 00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:18,642 But then I knew differently. 720 00:37:18,709 --> 00:37:21,447 I knew that he'd had a lot more to do with all of this 721 00:37:21,515 --> 00:37:24,086 than anybody really believed. 722 00:37:26,891 --> 00:37:29,898 - Ervil had indoctrinated these people for years. 723 00:37:29,965 --> 00:37:32,302 We're, like, two generations in now. 724 00:37:32,368 --> 00:37:34,941 When you've been indoctrinated your entire life 725 00:37:35,008 --> 00:37:38,281 to believe that murder is a godly act, 726 00:37:38,348 --> 00:37:41,754 that really complicates your morality. 727 00:37:41,821 --> 00:37:44,060 He was tried and convicted 728 00:37:44,126 --> 00:37:46,698 because he was the intellectual author of the homicides. 729 00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:48,401 He was the one that put it in motion. 730 00:37:48,467 --> 00:37:50,773 And he was sentenced to 45 years in prison. 731 00:37:55,782 --> 00:37:58,889 - I never met Ervil LeBaron in the flesh, 732 00:37:58,955 --> 00:38:00,425 but I lived and worked 733 00:38:00,492 --> 00:38:03,231 in the shadow of his ghost for years 734 00:38:03,297 --> 00:38:04,968 and didn't stop 735 00:38:05,035 --> 00:38:09,243 until after the conviction of Aaron in Texas. 736 00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:11,313 - It's hard to get an exact count 737 00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:13,885 in the wake of this 30-year crime spree, 738 00:38:13,952 --> 00:38:17,894 but we do know that around 33 people were killed, 739 00:38:17,961 --> 00:38:21,233 somewhere around 9 completed suicide, 740 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,371 and countless others suffered 741 00:38:23,438 --> 00:38:26,712 at the hands of all of this violence. 742 00:38:26,778 --> 00:38:29,584 - As long as that doggone book's out there, 743 00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:32,524 The Book of the Covenant... 744 00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:35,562 there's always a potential for someone to pick it up and say, 745 00:38:35,629 --> 00:38:38,067 I'm the one mighty and strong now, 746 00:38:38,134 --> 00:38:41,173 and that should be a concern to everyone. 747 00:38:44,046 --> 00:38:47,553 - Colonia LeBaron, where Ervil first started out, 748 00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:49,156 still exists today. 749 00:38:49,223 --> 00:38:50,692 The people living there 750 00:38:50,759 --> 00:38:53,097 are trying to put the past behind them. 751 00:38:53,163 --> 00:38:55,703 And then 2019 happens. 752 00:38:55,769 --> 00:38:58,140 - Families mourning after a brutal massacre-- 753 00:38:58,207 --> 00:39:01,314 three mothers and six of their children killed. 754 00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:04,286 - The LeBarons find themselves in the headlines again 755 00:39:04,352 --> 00:39:06,256 for murder and death. 756 00:39:08,862 --> 00:39:10,866 Three cars are crossing the border 757 00:39:10,933 --> 00:39:15,141 from Mexico into Texas when the cars are ambushed. 758 00:39:18,147 --> 00:39:21,286 And inside the cars are women, 759 00:39:21,353 --> 00:39:24,527 mothers, and their children. 760 00:39:24,594 --> 00:39:26,430 - At first, I thought to myself, oh, my God, 761 00:39:26,497 --> 00:39:28,000 is the cult back? 762 00:39:28,067 --> 00:39:30,438 Is this the new chapter? 763 00:39:30,506 --> 00:39:31,842 Since then, it seems clear 764 00:39:31,908 --> 00:39:34,045 that other factors have been at work. 765 00:39:34,112 --> 00:39:36,083 Mexican officials believe they were caught 766 00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:38,555 in the crosshairs of cartel violence, 767 00:39:38,622 --> 00:39:40,726 saying that a criminal gang confused them 768 00:39:40,793 --> 00:39:44,867 for a group aligned with the Sinaloa Cartel. 769 00:39:44,934 --> 00:39:48,207 - It's just so sad, because these families living there 770 00:39:48,274 --> 00:39:51,514 completely disavow Ervil's teachings. 771 00:39:51,581 --> 00:39:53,417 And yet, it seems like 772 00:39:53,484 --> 00:39:57,459 the sort of curse of LeBaron murderers isn't going away. 773 00:40:19,169 --> 00:40:21,474 Oh, my God. 774 00:40:21,541 --> 00:40:23,946 So they have to start with Los Molinos? 775 00:40:24,012 --> 00:40:26,183 This is Los Molinos. Oh, God. 776 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:27,920 Oh, my gosh. 777 00:40:27,987 --> 00:40:30,391 - There was a made-for-TV movie that came out in the early '90s 778 00:40:30,458 --> 00:40:31,894 called Prophet of Evil. 779 00:40:31,961 --> 00:40:33,965 It was about our father, Ervil. 780 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,244 Oh, man. This is horrible. 781 00:40:40,311 --> 00:40:43,017 That's terrible. 782 00:40:43,084 --> 00:40:45,723 - Watching it now, it's just horrifying 783 00:40:45,789 --> 00:40:49,063 how much violence there was 784 00:40:49,129 --> 00:40:50,833 in our family history. 785 00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:53,171 - Just heart-wrenching to see 786 00:40:53,238 --> 00:40:55,976 because they're representing people that I love. 787 00:40:56,043 --> 00:40:59,149 So it's hard to see what they've done with their lives. 788 00:40:59,215 --> 00:41:01,654 - And the thing is that they were just brainwashed. 789 00:41:01,721 --> 00:41:04,326 And when you take away that brainwashing, 790 00:41:04,392 --> 00:41:06,330 we were always good people. 791 00:41:10,539 --> 00:41:12,175 The places that they're showing there 792 00:41:12,241 --> 00:41:14,145 are way too nice. - I know. 793 00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:18,154 - We did not live this nice, okay? 794 00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:19,156 - Something was bumping me, 795 00:41:19,223 --> 00:41:20,926 and I couldn't figure out what it was. 796 00:41:20,993 --> 00:41:22,797 It's just this really nice house, well kept, maintained. 797 00:41:22,863 --> 00:41:24,701 And we weren't even allowed outside! 798 00:41:24,767 --> 00:41:27,706 With white picket fence. 799 00:41:28,909 --> 00:41:32,650 - Through it all, I never really lost my faith. 800 00:41:32,717 --> 00:41:35,555 I always had a relationship with God. 801 00:41:37,292 --> 00:41:40,364 I have 10 children, 21 grandchildren, 802 00:41:40,431 --> 00:41:42,703 and it just tickles my heart 803 00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:45,408 to be with them and play with them. 804 00:41:45,474 --> 00:41:48,080 And even though I went through all that crap, 805 00:41:48,147 --> 00:41:51,721 I'm a very happy person, and I have a very happy life. 806 00:41:53,926 --> 00:41:56,430 - Oh, there's the Mexican jail where you were... 807 00:41:56,497 --> 00:41:59,336 Conceived! 808 00:41:59,403 --> 00:42:02,576 - I wanted to become a nurse, 809 00:42:02,643 --> 00:42:07,185 but my life was set out for me by religious doctrine. 810 00:42:07,252 --> 00:42:10,726 So I didn't think I was smart enough. 811 00:42:10,793 --> 00:42:14,065 I didn't think that was possible. 812 00:42:14,132 --> 00:42:16,905 But now as an adult, I became a nurse, 813 00:42:16,972 --> 00:42:19,677 and I recently became a master gardener. 814 00:42:19,744 --> 00:42:22,215 If that little girl could just see me now... 815 00:42:23,886 --> 00:42:26,624 Kill the police. Kill the police. 816 00:42:26,691 --> 00:42:28,929 Kill the police. Kill the police. 817 00:42:28,996 --> 00:42:30,498 - No way would that ever happen. 818 00:42:30,566 --> 00:42:33,470 - We were taught to say... I don't know! 819 00:42:33,538 --> 00:42:35,141 I don't know! 820 00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:39,650 - Currently, my beliefs about religion 821 00:42:39,717 --> 00:42:41,721 is basically an atheist. 822 00:42:41,788 --> 00:42:43,992 I think all religions are cults. 823 00:42:44,059 --> 00:42:47,398 It's just some are better than others. 824 00:42:50,471 --> 00:42:54,714 I'm a Sergeant First Class in the U.S. Army. 825 00:42:54,781 --> 00:42:56,483 I've deployed four times. 826 00:42:58,855 --> 00:43:03,231 I try to be beneficial to humanity and the planet. 827 00:43:03,297 --> 00:43:06,002 - You were considered the military leader-- 828 00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:07,673 - Oh, that's Bryan Cranston right there. 829 00:43:07,739 --> 00:43:08,875 Oh, my God! Breaking Bad! 830 00:43:08,942 --> 00:43:10,011 - Wait. Rewind, rewind! 831 00:43:10,077 --> 00:43:12,783 Who is he? Breaking Bad! 832 00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:14,152 He's only one of the most famous-- 833 00:43:14,219 --> 00:43:15,421 The guy from Malcolm in the Middle! 834 00:43:15,488 --> 00:43:16,925 Yes! Oh, my God. 835 00:43:16,991 --> 00:43:18,093 I didn't know who he was the first time 836 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,597 I watched this 20 years ago. What? 837 00:43:19,664 --> 00:43:22,135 This is where he made his big debut. 838 00:43:22,202 --> 00:43:24,574 - Debut. 839 00:43:24,641 --> 00:43:28,648 - It's been over 40 years since I escaped my father's cult. 840 00:43:32,088 --> 00:43:34,359 I mean, it was a shock to me 841 00:43:34,426 --> 00:43:38,702 when I learned that what we had experienced is called trauma. 842 00:43:38,769 --> 00:43:42,543 To be able to grow and become the person that I am today, 843 00:43:42,610 --> 00:43:44,947 to heal enough 844 00:43:45,014 --> 00:43:48,087 that I was able to write my own story 845 00:43:48,154 --> 00:43:51,359 and to publish my book... 846 00:43:51,426 --> 00:43:53,965 I want to be an inspiration to others-- 847 00:43:54,032 --> 00:43:58,240 anyone who's experienced abuse, neglect, abandonment. 848 00:43:58,307 --> 00:44:00,846 Those things don't have to define us today. 849 00:44:03,752 --> 00:44:06,858 I have overcome all of the odds, 850 00:44:06,925 --> 00:44:09,396 and here I am. 851 00:44:09,463 --> 00:44:12,001 So it's me and Hyrum that are in the movie so far. 852 00:44:12,068 --> 00:44:14,039 - Yes. - We were in the Veracruz raid! 853 00:44:14,105 --> 00:44:16,143 Not specifically, but you were one of those kids. 854 00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:19,617 Hyrum assisted by opening the door. 855 00:44:19,684 --> 00:44:22,756 - Thanks, Hyrum. 856 00:44:22,823 --> 00:44:26,463 - I ran away from the cult 36 years ago, 857 00:44:26,531 --> 00:44:29,803 and I never turned back. 858 00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:32,776 I have three grown children. 859 00:44:32,843 --> 00:44:35,014 I have a career in finance. 860 00:44:35,081 --> 00:44:38,755 And in my process, I had to evaluate 861 00:44:38,822 --> 00:44:42,161 every belief that I had, 862 00:44:42,228 --> 00:44:45,234 every thought, practically, that went through my mind 863 00:44:45,301 --> 00:44:49,243 and look at it and say, do I really believe this? 864 00:44:49,309 --> 00:44:51,647 Or is this what I was taught to believe? 865 00:44:56,525 --> 00:44:58,227 Since Ervil LeBaron's death, 866 00:44:58,293 --> 00:45:00,164 his children and members of his church 867 00:45:00,231 --> 00:45:02,736 have committed 15 additional murders. 868 00:45:02,803 --> 00:45:05,876 His legacy has continued. 869 00:45:05,943 --> 00:45:07,646 - But no more! - Not anymore. 870 00:45:07,713 --> 00:45:10,886 No more. - No more. 871 00:45:10,953 --> 00:45:12,856 There's no telling this story 872 00:45:12,923 --> 00:45:15,762 without bringing up this past. 873 00:45:19,169 --> 00:45:22,309 I am ready now to embrace the wholeness 874 00:45:22,375 --> 00:45:24,213 of who I am 875 00:45:24,279 --> 00:45:28,354 and what it means today to be a LeBaron. 876 00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:29,791 - Mm-hmm. 877 00:45:29,857 --> 00:45:32,128 - It's something that I'm proud of. 878 00:45:32,195 --> 00:45:35,935 - It's been over 30 years. 879 00:45:36,002 --> 00:45:40,679 - Ervil's children are not about that anymore. 880 00:45:40,745 --> 00:45:43,417 - Ervil's children are the ones who want all of that 881 00:45:43,484 --> 00:45:45,990 to stop more than everyone. Yeah. 882 00:45:46,056 --> 00:45:48,026 - I promise you that.