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[white noise]

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[soft chatter]

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The name of this song is

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"When You Know Ti and Do,"

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by the Class.

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[piano plays]

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[eerie music overtakes lyrics]

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[insects chirping]

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SAWYER: While I was
in the group,

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we were in touch
with a bulletin board service.

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Because of that,
we were becoming informed

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about what the... UFO community
was talking about.

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BENJAMIN: In late 1996,

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the group began to orient itself
towards departure.

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And, in particular,

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they bought
into the conspiracy theory,

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in 1997,
that the government

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was hiding the existence

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of a flying saucer

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that was trailing
the Hale-Bopp comet.

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The most important name
to think about here is Art Bell.

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Art Bell was

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a source
of conspiratorial thinking,

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and you could tune in,

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and you could listen
to everything from beliefs

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about space aliens
and UFOs to Bigfoot.

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ART: Chuck Shramek
in Houston, Texas.

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- Chuck, welcome to the program.
CHUCK: Thanks, Art.

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ART: A lot of people have felt

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something's going on
with Hale-Bopp.

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CHUCK: Well, I have too.

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There's been
a real lack of pictures

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from the Hubble Space Telescope
or anything, observatories.

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So, that got me
all the more curious.

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I can smell
when they're--

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ART: Why would they do that?

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CHUCK: Perhaps
they saw something

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they felt might
disturb people.

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ART: You have
just taken a photograph.

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- [camera snap]
- When did you take it? Tonight?

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CHUCK: I took it
at 6:00 this evening.

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ART: Six o'clock, all right.

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CHUCK: This thing
appears to be

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several times larger
than the Earth.

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And my heart starts
going fasters.

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The next day,
Art Bell gets another call.

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And this call is
from Courtney Brown,

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who's part
of the Farsight Institute.

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He and his students claim

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there is
a very large object

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following Hale-Bopp Comet.

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ART: Professor,
what the hell is that?

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COURTNEY: This object is
four times--

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approximately four times
the size of the planet Earth,

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and it's headed our way.

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BENJAMIN: Now,
for members of Heaven's Gate,

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this is important
for a couple of reasons.

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One is, their idea
of the Next Level spaceships

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they're gonna go onto are
really, really big.

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The other is
they have been looking

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for a sign for the end
for quite a while.

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The term they use is a marker.

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The Hale Bopp Comet had
something to do

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with the decision to do it now.

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Why now? Why not 1999?

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Yes, the Hale-Bopp Comet

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did have something
to do with it

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because Ti and Do,
from the beginning,

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were very tuned in
to the significance

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of celestial events
and their synchronistic...

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association
with events on Earth.

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DO: Within the past 24 hours,

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I have been clearly informed

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by my older member

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of how short the time is.

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JANJA LALICH: They believe
there was a spaceship

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behind the Hale-Bopp Comet

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that was Ti coming to get them.

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And so they went to town,
and they bought a...

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very expensive telescope.

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[soft chatter, laughter]

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SAWYER: Do and the crew,
they had a telescope,

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and they were
watching the heavens,

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recording anything they saw

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in the heavens
that was unusual.

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JANJA: And they looked
up in the sky,

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and they didn't see
any bloody spaceship.

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So, what did they do?
They took the telescope

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back to the store and said,
"This telescope doesn't work."

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MAN: They didn't see

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what they thought
they were going to see.

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They said they were looking
for the companion.

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That's what they told me.

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I said, "Companion?"
And they said,

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"The companion--
the companion of Hale-Bopp."

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LARRY KING: Whitley,
what do you make

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of the connection
with Hale-Bopp?

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WHITLEY: Well, as you know,
there was a lot of controversy

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about whether or not
there was an object

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near the Hale-Bopp Comet.

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Myself and another radio host,
Art Bell, eventually

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discovered this to be
a fraud.

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SAWYER: Whether there was
a companion object

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with Hale-Bopp or not
was irrelevant.

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They recognized that
Hale-Bopp was the spacecraft

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that they had been talking about
coming in the 1970s.

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So that just informed them
of the timing of their exit.

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BENJAMIN: The reason
they chose March to exit was

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that that's when the comet
was closest to Earth.

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And that also coincided
with Easter.

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DO: The Kingdom of Heaven
is in our midst.

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In other words,
the door is open.

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If you follow me,
you believe in me,

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you do exactly as I say,

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and you'll get there.

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You will not know death.

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JANJA: This is, like,
20 years you're waiting

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for the ship to come.

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If you put yourself
in their shoes for a minute,

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you can sort of see
their sense of relief.

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Like, oh, my God, we're finally
gonna get out of here.

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[music playing]

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[distant chatter]

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BENJAMIN: Members
of Heaven's Gate had

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their Christmas party
in December,

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before the suicides.

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[soft chatter]

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You see them baking cakes,
39 cakes, right?

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A member had left
and come back,

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and you see them
greeting the member

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and hugging the member.

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[laughter]

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This is like springtime
for you, huh?

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[laughing]

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Hey, ALXODY!

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- You were invited!
- [laughter]

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...slowly turned
to silence...

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BENJAMIN: You see them
reading out of books.

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Sort of telling a story.
It was "Jumanji," actually.

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"'Jumanji,'
she read on the box.

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A jungle adventure game..."

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BENJAMIN: You see them
doing a talent show.

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[applause]

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[laughter]

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Everything about this group,
if you didn't know

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there was a suicide
three months later,

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you wouldn't say,
well, this is a group that was

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about to end their lives.

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[laughter]

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[applause]

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SAWYER: For the group
to lay down their vehicles,

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their suits of clothing
that they were wearing,

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wasn't a big deal to them
because they believed

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all this... already,

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and they not only believed it,

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but they-- they had
related with Do enough,

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and they trusted him
a hundred percent.

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No, I'm just here
for the entertainment.

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[laughter]

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♪ Let's start
at the very beginning ♪

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♪ A very good place
to start ♪

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♪ When you sing,
you begin with do re mi ♪

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♪ When it's time,
you begin with Do and Ti ♪

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♪ Ti and Do ♪

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♪ Do re mi fa so la ti ♪

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[Radiohead, "Everything
in Its Right Place"]

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They all headed up
to Gold Beach, Oregon,

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which is where Bonnie and Herff
had had their revelation.

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REPORTER: In a detailed ledger
left behind by the cult,

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the weeks leading up
to the mass suicide read

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like one big vacation.

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Trips to SeaWorld,

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San Diego's wild animal park.

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Mexico, and the Stratosphere
Hotel in Las Vegas,

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where they gambled
and won $20.

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BENJAMIN: Suicide was
not something that

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they decided
on a moment's notice

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they were going to do.

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They began the buildup
actually in the end of 1996,

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in terms of uploading content
to their website.

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♪ Everything ♪

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♪ In its right place ♪

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♪ In its right place ♪

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BENJAMIN: They feared
the government may try

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to take down their website,

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so they had sent
physical floppy disks

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around the world
with copies of their materials,

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so that, in the event
the government took down

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their American host,
it could be hosted

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in, I believe,
it was Brazil and Poland.

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♪ In its right place ♪

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♪ In its right place ♪

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BENJAMIN: They also made efforts

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to have their intellectual
property maintained

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by several ex-members
with whom they had

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a positive and favorable
relationship.

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♪ Yesterday, I was... ♪

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BENJAMIN: And they actually
thought that all the interest

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in Hale-Bopp Comet was
an impetus for doing this.

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♪ Sucking a lemon... ♪

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♪ Everything ♪

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For members
of Heaven's Gate and for Do,

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this was their chance.

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Are you filming this? No.

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This is March 19, 1997.

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I've been talking
to my students

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that are sitting in front of me.

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And, let me say
that our mission here

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at this time is
about to come to a close

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in the next few days.

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They were trying to get
our attention,

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'cause they thought
we might follow them,

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and we might save
our souls, effectively.

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BENJAMIN: They created
several VHS tapes,

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which they sent
to some former members.

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JASON BARTEL:
They planned it out really well.

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They were just asking
that our information

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be distributed
after we're gone.

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DO: We're gonna begin
our interviews today

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with SRRODY.

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How long have you been in this
classroom circumstance?

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Since Valentine's Day,
21 years ago.

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Yeah, I'll be happy just
to get the suit of clothes off

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and put on a brand-new
fresh set with new vibrations

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and-- and be
in a new atmosphere.

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I just wish people
could understand

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how... it was
instant recognition for me

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when I met Ti and Do
in Waldport

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only 21 years ago,

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and-- and there was never
a doubt in my mind.

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I just wish that people
out there could understand

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how much we feel
and know this is real.

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This is not a fantasy.

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FRANK LYFORD: She has
completely adopted

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the mindset as taught to her
by her older member.

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JANJA: You can see them...

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taking on
exactly the same...

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emotional characteristics
as their leader.

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When you watch
the night before,

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they had a meeting with Do,

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and whenever
he talked about Ti,

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he choked up

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and got teary

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and would have to pause.

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This chair represents...

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my partner...

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who I think
I mentioned earlier

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was with me physically,
had taken a body with me.

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And so the next day,

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when they're saying
their goodbyes

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and whenever
they would refer to Ti,

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that they were
going off to see Ti,

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they would do the same thing.

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They would choke up
in exactly the same way.

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I wish I had
the opportunity to meet Ti,

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but I know that I soon will,

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very shortly,
and I can't wait.

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And we've all tried to prove
to our older members

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that we're worthy
of the effort

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and the sacrifice they made.
[sobbing]

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We're very happy and proud

262
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to have been members
of Ti and Do's Class

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and couldn't be happier
about what we're about to do.

264
00:14:04,050 --> 00:14:06,030
[laughter]

265
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To me, that's one example of
what we might call brainwashing.

266
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I can hardly wait.

267
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And I'm ready to go.

268
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JANJA: So, if you're
sitting there,

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and you say,
"I'm gonna do this,"

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and you say it
in front of everyone else,

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well, you're
far less likely then

272
00:14:22,141 --> 00:14:24,150
to say, "Oh, no,
I don't wanna do it."

273
00:14:24,170 --> 00:14:26,160
You know, go running out
in the street, right?

274
00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:28,170
I feel very honored

275
00:14:28,190 --> 00:14:30,021
and very, very lucky

276
00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,231
that I wasn't stuck
back in the world

277
00:14:32,251 --> 00:14:35,150
where I chose to...

278
00:14:35,170 --> 00:14:38,091
make the mistake
of going for a while.

279
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KELLY COOKE: I think
when I first saw it,

280
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I wanted to grab her

281
00:14:44,221 --> 00:14:48,021
through the camera lens.
[laughing]

282
00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,021
Tell her, "No,
you don't have to do this."

283
00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,160
[chuckling]

284
00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:01,040
This isn't
a troubling circumstance.

285
00:15:01,060 --> 00:15:02,241
Don't take it as that.
It's just a gateway.

286
00:15:03,021 --> 00:15:04,241
Just a doorway.

287
00:15:05,021 --> 00:15:06,050
DO: Okay, thank you.

288
00:15:06,070 --> 00:15:08,040
This was the last log
that was used

289
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when they signed out
before the suicides.

290
00:15:11,251 --> 00:15:13,211
And they wrote little comments
for their ETR--

291
00:15:13,231 --> 00:15:15,121
estimated time of return.

292
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And say things
like "Bye!" or "Never."

293
00:15:17,221 --> 00:15:21,030
Question mark.
"Hasta la vista, baby."

294
00:15:22,241 --> 00:15:26,121
We hope that we took advantage
of the time that we had

295
00:15:26,141 --> 00:15:28,121
incarnate
in these human vehicles

296
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and will be of better service
to The Next Level because of it.

297
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If you want information
about us,

298
00:15:34,190 --> 00:15:37,091
and lower forces
don't interfere,

299
00:15:37,111 --> 00:15:39,190
you can find it
at our site on the internet.

300
00:15:39,211 --> 00:15:43,091
www.heavensgate.com

301
00:15:43,111 --> 00:15:45,241
And one last thing
we'd like to say is,

302
00:15:46,021 --> 00:15:48,070
39 to beam up,
thank you.

303
00:15:48,091 --> 00:15:50,030
[background laughter]

304
00:15:50,050 --> 00:15:52,050
[solitary clapping]

305
00:16:04,111 --> 00:16:08,070
[eerie pulsing music]

306
00:16:57,121 --> 00:16:59,101
VOICE: Dispatcher 55.

307
00:16:59,121 --> 00:17:00,200
DiANGELO: Hello?
VOICE: Hello?

308
00:17:00,221 --> 00:17:03,111
DiANGELO: Yes,
I need to report...

309
00:17:03,131 --> 00:17:05,050
an anonymous tip.

310
00:17:05,070 --> 00:17:07,080
This is regarding...
[continues]

311
00:17:23,140 --> 00:17:25,100
SAWYER: Rio joined the group,

312
00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:29,040
I think,
from California in 1994.

313
00:17:29,060 --> 00:17:30,241
And then he left the group

314
00:17:31,021 --> 00:17:34,080
two weeks before
they laid down their lives.

315
00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:36,120
I had a very uneasy feeling--

316
00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:39,070
a strange feeling--
that I needed to do something

317
00:17:39,090 --> 00:17:40,161
outside of the Class.

318
00:17:40,181 --> 00:17:42,181
And I spoke to Do about it,

319
00:17:42,201 --> 00:17:44,231
and he felt that

320
00:17:44,251 --> 00:17:46,251
it was probably
part of the plan.

321
00:17:47,030 --> 00:17:49,120
Some higher plan
that we didn't know about.

322
00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:51,110
DAVID: Apparently,
he had talked to Do

323
00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:53,030
and asked
if he could leave.

324
00:17:53,050 --> 00:17:54,151
That he had a vision,
that he should

325
00:17:54,171 --> 00:17:56,050
write about
his experiences

326
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:58,140
and write something
about the group.

327
00:17:58,161 --> 00:18:02,211
So, he left within a week
before the suicides.

328
00:18:02,231 --> 00:18:05,171
After leaving the group,
he got a packet from--

329
00:18:05,191 --> 00:18:08,050
instructions from Do
and others saying,

330
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:10,130
if you could go to the house
and make a recording

331
00:18:10,151 --> 00:18:13,151
of what you see,
you'll find us here.

332
00:18:29,171 --> 00:18:32,090
SAWYER: Rio is
the one that Do sent

333
00:18:32,110 --> 00:18:35,171
a bunch of information to,
with a letter that...

334
00:18:35,191 --> 00:18:38,090
said that they were
laying down their lives.

335
00:18:38,110 --> 00:18:40,161
And so he informed
the police of that.

336
00:18:40,181 --> 00:18:45,070
That became what's known
as the Heaven's Gate suicides.

337
00:18:48,130 --> 00:18:50,181
REPORTER: Police
in San Diego County say

338
00:18:50,201 --> 00:18:52,110
they've discovered
what appears to be

339
00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:53,251
a mass suicide

340
00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:56,251
at a multi-million dollar
mansion in Rancho Santa Fe.

341
00:18:57,030 --> 00:19:00,140
That's about 20 miles
north of San Diego.

342
00:19:00,161 --> 00:19:02,110
2nd REPORTER: Rumors are
rampant around here.

343
00:19:02,130 --> 00:19:04,120
Unconfirmed rumors
that there may be

344
00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:07,140
as many as 30 or 40 people
inside that house.

345
00:19:07,161 --> 00:19:09,021
We do know
from neighbors though

346
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,211
that a religious group
did move in back in the fall,

347
00:19:11,231 --> 00:19:13,231
and that they have been
very, very quiet.

348
00:19:13,251 --> 00:19:16,021
I waved over the fence
to some people.

349
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,211
They never uttered a word.

350
00:19:17,231 --> 00:19:19,221
3rd REPORTER: Around town,
the cult next door was

351
00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:22,221
paying its bills in advance,
picking up the mail.

352
00:19:22,241 --> 00:19:24,100
Eating a sort of last supper

353
00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:26,021
of turkey pot pie.

354
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,181
They all ordered
the same drink,

355
00:19:27,201 --> 00:19:30,030
and they all had
the same dinner and dessert.

356
00:19:30,050 --> 00:19:33,100
And bidding a cryptic farewell
to friends at the car wash.

357
00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,151
ALEX: And he said,
"Hey, Alex,

358
00:19:35,171 --> 00:19:37,221
we just stopped by
to say goodbye."

359
00:19:37,241 --> 00:19:40,201
Um, and he took off
his-- his pendant

360
00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:43,100
and handed it to me.

361
00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:44,231
REPORTER: We have just learned
from a briefing

362
00:19:44,251 --> 00:19:47,060
by sheriff's deputies
that apparently

363
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,070
39 bodies have been found.

364
00:19:49,090 --> 00:19:52,030
All of them apparently male.

365
00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:57,060
I knew they were thinking
they were men, all men,

366
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,181
because they all had
short hair.

367
00:19:59,201 --> 00:20:02,021
And I knew
the females had short hair.

368
00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:07,231
4th REPORTER: Now,
the coroner's officials have

369
00:20:07,251 --> 00:20:09,130
stopped in the street;
they are talking

370
00:20:09,151 --> 00:20:11,050
to members of the media.

371
00:20:11,070 --> 00:20:12,191
Several dozen of them
now gathered

372
00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:14,161
outside the van's door,

373
00:20:14,181 --> 00:20:16,241
trying to get word,
any detail at all,

374
00:20:17,021 --> 00:20:18,040
on this story.

375
00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:19,161
Peaceful.

376
00:20:19,181 --> 00:20:21,070
That's the only way
I can describe it, peaceful.

377
00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:23,241
We don't know what the cause
of death is at this point.

378
00:20:24,021 --> 00:20:25,231
REPORTER: What did the inside
of the house look like?

379
00:20:25,251 --> 00:20:27,241
We have-- We have no idea.

380
00:20:28,021 --> 00:20:31,080
FRANK: I heard a news report

381
00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:33,040
on the radio of

382
00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:37,130
"monastic group of men

383
00:20:37,151 --> 00:20:41,201
had been found dead."

384
00:20:41,221 --> 00:20:45,040
Chills went
up and down my spine.

385
00:20:45,060 --> 00:20:46,201
I thought,

386
00:20:46,221 --> 00:20:48,221
"They've finally done it."

387
00:20:50,221 --> 00:20:52,120
I knew it was them.

388
00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:56,090
REPORTER: Now,
police are saying that

389
00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:59,130
these bodies were found
in different rooms of the house.

390
00:20:59,151 --> 00:21:01,120
They were found lying prone,

391
00:21:01,140 --> 00:21:03,080
with their hands
at their sides,

392
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:06,161
and they are saying that
there were no signs of trauma.

393
00:21:07,151 --> 00:21:09,130
TOM BROKAW: 21 women, 18 men,

394
00:21:09,151 --> 00:21:11,090
all dressed
in similar outfits.

395
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:12,231
Apparently they all thought

396
00:21:12,251 --> 00:21:15,050
they were headed to Heaven
in a spaceship.

397
00:21:15,070 --> 00:21:19,090
CALVIN VINE: This room here was
the actual computer room,

398
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:21,201
and there were
two bodies in there.

399
00:21:21,221 --> 00:21:26,040
Back in the far
right-hand corner,

400
00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:28,100
there were four bodies
back in there.

401
00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:35,021
And they were dressed
in black slacks.

402
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,021
Black Nike shoes.

403
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,120
And most of them wore
a wedding band

404
00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:42,130
on their left hand.

405
00:21:42,151 --> 00:21:47,060
Most of them had $5.75
in their pockets.

406
00:21:49,241 --> 00:21:51,181
The $5.75

407
00:21:51,201 --> 00:21:54,241
has to do with
the old Mark Twain story.

408
00:21:57,191 --> 00:22:00,100
Mark Twain said
that $5.75

409
00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:04,130
was the cost to ride
the tail of a comet to Heaven.

410
00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:09,050
MAN: The bodies have been dead
for varying periods of time.

411
00:22:09,070 --> 00:22:11,100
Some of them look
like 24-36 hours.

412
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:14,181
Others look like three days,
three-plus days.

413
00:22:14,201 --> 00:22:17,100
It appears there were...
in three groups.

414
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,040
First group went ahead
with this plan,

415
00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:22,030
and the second group
sort of assisted them,

416
00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:23,231
cleaned up after them,
and covered them

417
00:22:23,251 --> 00:22:27,080
with this red cloth
after they had died.

418
00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:29,120
And the third team helped
the second team.

419
00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:32,030
And then they were
finally down to two people

420
00:22:32,050 --> 00:22:34,070
who were not shrouded
with these sheets.

421
00:22:34,090 --> 00:22:36,151
We believe
they were the last ones.

422
00:22:36,171 --> 00:22:38,151
They did have plastic bags
over their heads.

423
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,181
CALVIN: Cause of death was

424
00:22:41,201 --> 00:22:44,140
asphyxia by plastic bag,

425
00:22:44,161 --> 00:22:47,231
and contributing factor was
the alcohol

426
00:22:47,251 --> 00:22:50,040
and the phenobarbital.

427
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:55,151
Of interest was
that Marshall Applewhite

428
00:22:55,171 --> 00:22:57,080
was not
the last one to die.

429
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:59,120
He was in the second group.

430
00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:03,050
Upstairs was
the huge master bedroom,

431
00:23:03,070 --> 00:23:07,040
and he was there alone
in the king-sized bed.

432
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:18,251
TOM BROKAW: For the families
of the victims,

433
00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:20,211
news of these suicides,
in many cases,

434
00:23:20,231 --> 00:23:22,161
that was the first
they had heard

435
00:23:22,181 --> 00:23:24,140
of their relatives in years.

436
00:23:24,161 --> 00:23:26,161
It was part
of a Heaven's Gate credo.

437
00:23:26,181 --> 00:23:29,090
No contact with outside
family members.

438
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:31,060
When you heard
about what happened

439
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,191
north of San Diego,
did you know immediately?

440
00:23:33,211 --> 00:23:36,130
No, I didn't, umm, a friend
of mine called me at work

441
00:23:36,151 --> 00:23:37,251
and started telling me,
"You're not gonna believe

442
00:23:38,030 --> 00:23:39,201
what I'm seeing on TV."

443
00:23:39,221 --> 00:23:41,211
And she mentioned
the term "Father Do,"

444
00:23:41,231 --> 00:23:43,211
and she mentioned
the UFO and...

445
00:23:43,231 --> 00:23:45,241
- with the Hale-Bopp Comet.
- Then you knew.

446
00:23:46,021 --> 00:23:47,181
And then I went,
"Oh, man," so I started

447
00:23:47,201 --> 00:23:49,090
making some phone calls,
and I found out

448
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:52,090
they'd shown my mom's picture
and Herff's picture.

449
00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:55,040
- Sad.
- It is, it really is.

450
00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:57,130
TERRIE: My mom was
such a special lady,

451
00:23:57,151 --> 00:23:59,231
and she had such a genuine heart

452
00:23:59,251 --> 00:24:02,090
and so much compassion
for people.

453
00:24:03,191 --> 00:24:05,251
And she would've never
taken the group

454
00:24:06,030 --> 00:24:07,241
to the conclusion
that it came to.

455
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:13,161
Do was so caught up
in his own head

456
00:24:13,181 --> 00:24:16,090
and his own
narcissistic beliefs.

457
00:24:16,110 --> 00:24:18,251
I know that the former members
don't feel that way.

458
00:24:19,030 --> 00:24:23,050
And I try really hard
to honor what they believe.

459
00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:25,140
Uh, and-- but my own belief

460
00:24:25,161 --> 00:24:28,100
is that they might
all still be with us,

461
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:31,090
had Do gotten
the mental assistance he needed.

462
00:24:33,201 --> 00:24:38,151
The moment I was dreading
most of my life...

463
00:24:38,171 --> 00:24:40,241
had finally happened.

464
00:24:42,201 --> 00:24:44,181
DO: SLVODY was
also out of the classroom

465
00:24:44,201 --> 00:24:48,120
for a while, and she knew that
this was where her life was.

466
00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:51,060
Then she came back to life
when she had an opportunity

467
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,021
to return to the classroom.

468
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,211
ROBERT: Leaves an awful big hole
in your life.

469
00:24:56,231 --> 00:24:58,140
ALICE: And it's been
a big enough hole

470
00:24:58,161 --> 00:25:01,040
for three years, but now
that hole is never gonna heal,

471
00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:03,201
because she's...
she's gone.

472
00:25:03,221 --> 00:25:05,161
ROBERT: I mean, the kid's
supposed to bury the old folks,

473
00:25:05,181 --> 00:25:07,201
not the other way around.

474
00:25:07,221 --> 00:25:10,090
ALICE: Every day,
you think about her, you know?

475
00:25:10,110 --> 00:25:13,191
What would she be like at 48?

476
00:25:13,211 --> 00:25:17,060
What we're about to do is
certainly nothing to...

477
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,070
think negatively about.

478
00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:22,191
We're all choosing
of our own free will

479
00:25:22,211 --> 00:25:26,021
to go to The Next Level
with Ti and Do.

480
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,151
REPORTER: In an odd footnote,
one of the dead has been

481
00:25:28,171 --> 00:25:31,080
identified as the brother
of actress Nichelle Nichols,

482
00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:33,080
the actress who played
Lieutenant Uhura,

483
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,110
in the "Star Trek"
television series,

484
00:25:35,130 --> 00:25:37,151
much of it set on a spaceship.

485
00:25:37,171 --> 00:25:39,151
NICHELLE NICHOLS: I respect
my brother's wishes.

486
00:25:39,171 --> 00:25:42,110
And I respect him
as a human being.

487
00:25:42,130 --> 00:25:46,120
I respect him
as an intelligent human being.

488
00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:50,100
We all feel very emotional
about, um...

489
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,040
the gift that we've been given.

490
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:54,151
And...

491
00:25:54,171 --> 00:25:57,241
I'm the happiest person
in the world.

492
00:25:58,021 --> 00:26:00,110
I think Sawyer is the one

493
00:26:00,130 --> 00:26:02,201
that actually
first used this term.

494
00:26:02,221 --> 00:26:05,090
Do always wanted to go out
with a splash.

495
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:07,080
[distant clamor]

496
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:09,191
And right from the beginning,
the whole thing is

497
00:26:09,211 --> 00:26:11,151
they're gonna have
this Demonstration

498
00:26:11,171 --> 00:26:13,090
where they're gonna
be assassinated

499
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:15,070
in front of thousands
of people,

500
00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:17,060
and this is gonna be
worldwide news,

501
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,040
and it's gonna be on TV
all around the world

502
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:24,030
when the spacecraft comes down
and picks them up.

503
00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:26,050
As the old saying goes,
you know,

504
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:29,080
the worst death of all is
death by obscurity.

505
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:31,090
So, by killing themselves,

506
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:34,151
they ensured
their immortality in a sense.

507
00:26:39,211 --> 00:26:41,161
BENJAMIN: The public response
to Heaven's Gate

508
00:26:41,181 --> 00:26:43,251
was dismissal of these people
as idiots,

509
00:26:44,030 --> 00:26:47,171
as brainwashed,
as fools, as a joke.

510
00:26:47,191 --> 00:26:49,080
You know who else
tried to teach

511
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:50,251
a bunch of Dumbos to fly?

512
00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:53,130
The leader of the Heaven's Gate
religious cult.

513
00:26:53,151 --> 00:26:55,050
[laughter]

514
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:56,231
Who told his followers
that they could all

515
00:26:56,251 --> 00:26:58,201
fly away from Earth
on a spaceship

516
00:26:58,221 --> 00:27:00,251
by committing mass suicide.

517
00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:02,090
Whoo!
Yay, religion!

518
00:27:02,110 --> 00:27:04,021
Okay, no, no, don't...

519
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,251
[cheering]

520
00:27:06,030 --> 00:27:07,181
Ted! Ted!
Whoo!

521
00:27:07,201 --> 00:27:10,171
We made it!
We made it, whoo!

522
00:27:10,191 --> 00:27:12,021
[cheers]

523
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,100
Tell me, are there any regrets?

524
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,110
Yeah, the castration thing.

525
00:27:18,241 --> 00:27:22,140
I was way off
on that one, Ted.

526
00:27:22,161 --> 00:27:25,110
It turns out it had nothing
to do with anything.

527
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:27,151
And in fact,
when we got here,

528
00:27:27,171 --> 00:27:31,100
everyone just looked at me like,
"Applewhite, you nutball."

529
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,021
Yeah, but he's our nutball.

530
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,181
- He's our nutball.
- Yeah!

531
00:27:34,201 --> 00:27:37,021
SAWYER: I was scared
of going public,

532
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,070
but I felt like I--
I needed to...

533
00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:41,110
I knew that
they weren't getting

534
00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:43,140
the most accurate reporting
on them.

535
00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:44,251
LARRY KING: Joining us now
from Seattle is

536
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:46,231
Andrew, a member
of Heaven's Gate

537
00:27:46,251 --> 00:27:49,221
for 18 years,
from 1975 to 1993--

538
00:27:49,241 --> 00:27:51,151
that's an assumed name,
by the way.

539
00:27:51,171 --> 00:27:53,161
In New York is Sawyer,
also an assumed name,

540
00:27:53,181 --> 00:27:54,241
and he was a member
of Heaven's Gate.

541
00:27:55,021 --> 00:27:56,221
What do you make
of this, Sawyer?

542
00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:59,201
Well, see, the group
was looking to leave the planet,

543
00:27:59,221 --> 00:28:01,050
and they were gonna do it
in any way

544
00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:02,191
that they possibly could.

545
00:28:02,211 --> 00:28:04,251
Okay, so they were thinking,
brainstorming constantly

546
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:07,201
on how that might occur,
so that they could then--

547
00:28:07,221 --> 00:28:09,070
- their souls could then...
- I see.

548
00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:10,181
...move into The Next Level.

549
00:28:10,201 --> 00:28:12,191
If you had stayed
a few more years,

550
00:28:12,211 --> 00:28:14,241
would you have killed yourself
with them?

551
00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:18,110
I doubt it.
I... I mean...

552
00:28:18,130 --> 00:28:19,241
- Sawyer, if...
- It was a shock to me.

553
00:28:20,021 --> 00:28:22,191
You left in '94,
that's not too long ago.

554
00:28:22,211 --> 00:28:25,130
Would you have killed yourself
with them, Sawyer?

555
00:28:25,151 --> 00:28:27,191
Well, surprisingly
as it may seem,

556
00:28:27,211 --> 00:28:32,040
I... had-- at the time,
I thought I would, yes.

557
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,130
FRANK: The people
who covered it, in general,

558
00:28:36,151 --> 00:28:42,120
weren't of a mind
to dig deeper with it.

559
00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:45,030
[music]

560
00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:49,100
MAN: This is a failed episode
from "Star Trek"

561
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,211
that Gene Roddenberry would put
his thumbs down to.

562
00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:54,221
2nd MAN: What we're
talking about in this case

563
00:28:54,241 --> 00:28:58,231
is really mental illness
disguised as religion.

564
00:28:58,251 --> 00:29:00,241
3rd MAN: I just think it's
something we've gotta let people

565
00:29:01,021 --> 00:29:03,171
practice under
the First Amendment.

566
00:29:03,191 --> 00:29:05,241
These people were adults,
they did this freely,

567
00:29:06,021 --> 00:29:08,120
and from all we can gather,
they're now happy.

568
00:29:10,090 --> 00:29:12,080
4th MAN: I think
only a fraction of people

569
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:15,040
would really fall
for something so bizarre.

570
00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:18,161
There-- There-- There is
an underlying desperation.

571
00:29:19,231 --> 00:29:21,191
MATT LAUER: When you hear
the word "cult" used

572
00:29:21,211 --> 00:29:23,251
to describe this group, Will,
how do you feel about it?

573
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:25,130
Just 15 seconds,
if you will.

574
00:29:25,151 --> 00:29:28,050
If you look up
the definition of cult,

575
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:30,070
the Republican Party
is a cult.

576
00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:31,191
- [Matt laughing]
- I mean, you know,

577
00:29:31,211 --> 00:29:33,241
there are so many...

578
00:29:34,021 --> 00:29:36,050
you know, you attach
a label to all this,

579
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:38,050
and you read the labels,

580
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:40,030
and you don't get behind
and look

581
00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:41,241
at what's really going on deep.

582
00:29:42,021 --> 00:29:43,130
We've been compared
to Jonestown,

583
00:29:43,151 --> 00:29:44,231
we've been compared to...

584
00:29:44,251 --> 00:29:46,120
MAN: Well, now you're gonna be
compared to Jonestown.

585
00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:48,040
And what do you mean, "we"?
You're not part of this anymore.

586
00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:49,090
In a sense, I am.

587
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:52,050
I left, but when
you see those people,

588
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:53,171
you reexperience that.

589
00:29:53,191 --> 00:29:56,110
It will always be with you.
This will always be with me.

590
00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:58,090
I don't disclaim it.

591
00:29:58,110 --> 00:29:59,221
STEVE: I got a call
from a producer

592
00:29:59,241 --> 00:30:02,100
who had just interviewed
Dick Joslyn,

593
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,100
and said, "We think
he's gonna kill himself.

594
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,251
Can you help him?"

595
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,211
In all of my interventions,

596
00:30:11,231 --> 00:30:15,050
the goal isn't to get
the person out

597
00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:17,221
or to force the person
to agree with me.

598
00:30:17,241 --> 00:30:21,130
The goal is to empower them
to think for themselves.

599
00:30:27,201 --> 00:30:29,060
WOMAN: Is that today's paper?

600
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,030
DICK: No, that's an older...

601
00:30:31,231 --> 00:30:34,060
STEVE: Well, as I've discovered
in my work,

602
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,241
the vast number of people
who get involved with groups

603
00:30:38,021 --> 00:30:40,021
walk out of them.

604
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,191
But just because
you physically leave,

605
00:30:41,211 --> 00:30:43,021
doesn't mean the group

606
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,191
- gets out of your head.
- Right.

607
00:30:44,211 --> 00:30:46,211
I mean, I've been out
of the group seven years,

608
00:30:46,231 --> 00:30:50,070
and I'm very aware that
I haven't ever processed

609
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:53,120
anything of it,
other than just my own

610
00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:55,030
in-the-middle-of-the-night
struggles.

611
00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:57,171
And I'm also aware
that I-- I'm just like,

612
00:30:57,191 --> 00:30:59,030
I feel dysfunctional.

613
00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:00,151
- Mm-hmm.
- And that's why
I'm here, Steve,

614
00:31:00,171 --> 00:31:02,110
that's because
there are all these issues

615
00:31:02,130 --> 00:31:05,181
that make me feel like
something is...

616
00:31:05,201 --> 00:31:08,140
is keeping me from readjusting,

617
00:31:08,161 --> 00:31:10,191
and being a happy person,
and functional in the world.

618
00:31:10,211 --> 00:31:13,080
And I know that
I've got stuff to give.

619
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:14,221
- Mm-hmm.
- And that process

620
00:31:14,241 --> 00:31:17,151
of the will emerging.

621
00:31:17,171 --> 00:31:21,211
- Mm-hmm.
- And-- and in spite of how...

622
00:31:21,231 --> 00:31:25,030
solidly it's been put down,
it still raises up.

623
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,211
It's like a little plant
breaking through concrete,

624
00:31:27,231 --> 00:31:31,211
that the power of the...
of the individual mind

625
00:31:31,231 --> 00:31:36,080
is saying, I'm sorry,
I just can't buy this anymore.

626
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:40,161
And why did I do that,
and why didn't my Classmates,

627
00:31:40,181 --> 00:31:43,231
who were such
richly gifted people?

628
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:49,241
STEVE: You're a very
strong person

629
00:31:50,021 --> 00:31:51,120
and you saw through it.

630
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:53,080
Thank God.

631
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:56,050
And we're gonna sign off on...

632
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:59,211
- Bye, see you next time.
- ...May 28th, 1997.

633
00:31:59,231 --> 00:32:02,050
See you next time.

634
00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:12,231
My frustration with the media
is pretty universal,

635
00:32:12,251 --> 00:32:17,130
that they tend to want
sensationalized elements

636
00:32:17,151 --> 00:32:19,140
without getting
into the nitty-gritty

637
00:32:19,161 --> 00:32:22,221
of how this can happen
to intelligent, educated people

638
00:32:22,241 --> 00:32:25,130
from good homes.

639
00:32:25,151 --> 00:32:29,171
So, it's again, this fundamental
attribution error

640
00:32:29,191 --> 00:32:32,120
of, like, "what's--
what's wrong with these people,"

641
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:35,130
instead of saying
they were just programmed

642
00:32:35,151 --> 00:32:38,211
and influenced
in a systematic way.

643
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:43,140
Dick Joslyn says
that he is aware

644
00:32:43,161 --> 00:32:45,040
of at least a half-dozen members

645
00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:47,090
who plan to do the same thing
in the future.

646
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:49,030
Wow, he said that
just today?

647
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:50,251
Yeah, just-- we just got this
on the wire this morning.

648
00:32:51,030 --> 00:32:53,050
Yes, well, that doesn't
surprise me, either,

649
00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:55,171
and I wouldn't be surprised
if there were more.

650
00:33:05,161 --> 00:33:07,201
When I think of my brother,

651
00:33:07,221 --> 00:33:10,181
I think of him
with sad brown eyes.

652
00:33:10,201 --> 00:33:12,171
And although this is
in black and white,

653
00:33:12,191 --> 00:33:15,060
this is very typical of him.

654
00:33:17,201 --> 00:33:20,021
I was watching TV one night,

655
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,070
and I saw pictures
of the 39 people.

656
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:28,161
They were showing tennis shoes
with purple shrouds over them.

657
00:33:28,181 --> 00:33:31,060
And so, I got a hold
of my aunt.

658
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,040
You know, I said, did you see
the mass suicide today?

659
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:37,030
And she's like, "Oh yeah,
those people are crazy."

660
00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:39,191
And I said,
that's the cult Jimmy was in.

661
00:33:43,191 --> 00:33:45,241
Five weeks
after the mass suicide,

662
00:33:46,021 --> 00:33:49,110
I got a call from my aunt,
and she was crying.

663
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:51,060
He had sent her
a letter saying,

664
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,151
"By the time you get this,
I should be dead."

665
00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:03,151
And she sent
my cousin's husband over.

666
00:34:03,171 --> 00:34:06,231
And when he knocked on the door,
he heard the gun go off.

667
00:34:06,251 --> 00:34:09,031
[gunshot echoing]

668
00:34:13,151 --> 00:34:18,120
He left his farewell,
and then he left pictures

669
00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:20,180
that he had cut out
of a magazine

670
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,220
of all of his
former cult members,

671
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:26,091
of all of his former
Class members.

672
00:34:26,111 --> 00:34:28,151
And he had tagged them
underneath

673
00:34:28,171 --> 00:34:30,031
with their ODY names.

674
00:34:34,151 --> 00:34:36,211
And he drew an image

675
00:34:36,231 --> 00:34:39,251
of the 39 of them
being lifted up.

676
00:34:46,021 --> 00:34:48,051
LESLIE STAHL: Wayne Cooke,
a Heaven's Gate dropout

677
00:34:48,071 --> 00:34:49,120
who still believed,

678
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:51,120
appeared on "60 Minutes"
in March

679
00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:54,200
to explain why his wife
and 38 other Classmates

680
00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:56,060
committed suicide.

681
00:34:59,151 --> 00:35:01,051
KELLY COOKE: The only reason
I was on "60 Minutes,"

682
00:35:01,071 --> 00:35:04,151
is I accompanied my father
to these things.

683
00:35:04,171 --> 00:35:07,191
LESLIE: Your mother
was one of the 39

684
00:35:07,211 --> 00:35:10,220
who committed suicide
with that group.

685
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:14,091
Now, they think that
she's up in a spacecraft.

686
00:35:14,111 --> 00:35:15,200
Do you believe that?

687
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:18,031
[sighs]
This'll be very difficult

688
00:35:18,051 --> 00:35:20,200
for people to understand,
but this is something

689
00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:23,120
she worked all of her life
to accomplish.

690
00:35:24,211 --> 00:35:26,211
This-- she graduated.

691
00:35:26,231 --> 00:35:28,140
LESLIE: You wish
you had gone with them?

692
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,021
I wish I had the strength
to have remained,

693
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,180
to have gained
the kind of control

694
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,191
through Do's help,
Ti's help,

695
00:35:36,211 --> 00:35:38,180
to have stuck it out

696
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,220
and continued to be a part
of that group.

697
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,091
Yes.

698
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,220
KELLY: I was just
pleading with him

699
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:49,220
to live this life
with-- with me

700
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,120
in this world, you know?

701
00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:53,211
Not-- Not to abandon it.

702
00:35:53,231 --> 00:35:55,071
[sighs]

703
00:35:56,151 --> 00:35:59,100
He was living in Vegas then,
with Chuck.

704
00:36:04,091 --> 00:36:07,180
I just could tell
it was gonna happen.

705
00:36:09,140 --> 00:36:11,051
DAVID TAYLOR:
After the suicides,

706
00:36:11,071 --> 00:36:12,231
we interviewed Chuck Humphrey,

707
00:36:12,251 --> 00:36:15,060
and he gave me
this t-shirt.

708
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,231
And true to his own beliefs,

709
00:36:16,251 --> 00:36:21,040
it says, "Heaven's Gate--
what if they're right?"

710
00:36:24,021 --> 00:36:26,140
Hi, my name is RKKODY,

711
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,231
and by the time
that you see this tape,

712
00:36:28,251 --> 00:36:31,231
um, I'll be gone.

713
00:36:31,251 --> 00:36:33,071
KELLY: I had been up
all night.

714
00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:36,100
Doorbell rang,
and it was a FedEx package.

715
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,191
I open it up,
and it was a video.

716
00:36:38,211 --> 00:36:40,151
I'm happy.
[chuckles]

717
00:36:40,171 --> 00:36:44,231
And I... want very much
to follow my Classmates

718
00:36:44,251 --> 00:36:49,111
and... my teachers,
Ti and Do.

719
00:36:49,131 --> 00:36:51,031
MAN: It took about three hours

720
00:36:51,051 --> 00:36:52,151
for San Diego County
sheriff detectives

721
00:36:52,171 --> 00:36:55,171
to zero in
on this Encinitas hotel,

722
00:36:55,191 --> 00:36:58,231
and this particular hotel room,
room 222.

723
00:36:58,251 --> 00:37:02,160
This is where two people
tried to commit suicide.

724
00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:07,040
I got a call,
someone was alive still.

725
00:37:08,151 --> 00:37:10,251
I don't think
I've ever experienced

726
00:37:11,031 --> 00:37:14,191
such a confusing emotion
to have.

727
00:37:14,211 --> 00:37:16,211
You know,
maybe my father's alive.

728
00:37:16,231 --> 00:37:20,040
But is that good?
I don't know, you know?

729
00:37:22,091 --> 00:37:24,160
I mean, it went
back and forth a couple times,

730
00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:27,180
like being on a rollercoaster
for several hours,

731
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,060
no sleep, just insane.

732
00:37:32,051 --> 00:37:34,171
MAN: This is where two people
tried to commit suicide.

733
00:37:34,191 --> 00:37:36,131
One of them,
former Heaven's Gate member,

734
00:37:36,151 --> 00:37:38,251
55-year-old Wayne Cooke,
died here,

735
00:37:39,031 --> 00:37:41,091
and his body was removed
late this afternoon.

736
00:37:41,111 --> 00:37:43,240
His partner,
57-year-old Charles Humphrey

737
00:37:44,021 --> 00:37:46,080
was found on the floor,
barely alive.

738
00:37:47,151 --> 00:37:50,231
Chuck reflexively
pulled the plastic bag,

739
00:37:50,251 --> 00:37:53,120
and the drugs didn't kill him.

740
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,040
JASON: This'll sound morbid,
but I felt bad.

741
00:37:56,060 --> 00:37:57,251
I was like,
I knew he wanted to go.

742
00:37:58,031 --> 00:38:00,160
And then, he wakes up
chained to a hospital bed,

743
00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:01,240
you know, and he's like,
"This doesn't look

744
00:38:02,021 --> 00:38:03,191
anything like a spacecraft."

745
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:07,211
Our objective
was to leave the vehicles

746
00:38:07,231 --> 00:38:09,051
and catch up with the Class,

747
00:38:09,071 --> 00:38:10,171
and catch up
with our Older Member.

748
00:38:10,191 --> 00:38:14,060
I-- I tried my best to do it
at this time, at failed.

749
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,100
Mr. Humphrey, would you ever
attempt suicide again?

750
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,071
- I don't know.
- You don't know?

751
00:38:18,091 --> 00:38:21,120
I can't answer that question.

752
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:23,180
JASON: Chuck emailed me,
and he's like,

753
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,071
"I'm going out to this spot.

754
00:38:26,111 --> 00:38:28,031
I'll see you upstairs,"
essentially.

755
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,091
I knew exactly
where he was going.

756
00:38:31,111 --> 00:38:33,180
It was a spot
we'd camped at.

757
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,140
He knew I was the only person

758
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,220
who-- who wouldn't freak out
and try to stop him.

759
00:38:44,091 --> 00:38:46,021
I mean, he was always adamant

760
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,151
that he was 100% supportive
of what they did,

761
00:38:48,171 --> 00:38:50,120
and obviously, he tried
to follow in their footsteps,

762
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:51,211
not once, but twice.

763
00:38:51,231 --> 00:38:56,151
In their minds, Ti and Do
were the Second Coming,

764
00:38:56,171 --> 00:38:59,100
just different form.

765
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,071
So, how do you tell them

766
00:39:05,091 --> 00:39:07,160
that the Second Coming is wrong?
[chuckles]

767
00:39:18,211 --> 00:39:21,021
ROBERT: Shortly after
the suicides happen,

768
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,231
there was this woman,
Lee Ann Wolfe, she called me up,

769
00:39:24,251 --> 00:39:27,191
and she identified herself
as an ex-member

770
00:39:27,211 --> 00:39:29,071
and told me
that she was just living

771
00:39:29,091 --> 00:39:30,220
up on Flathead Lake here...

772
00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:35,151
and kinda put me in touch
with a lot of other people.

773
00:39:35,171 --> 00:39:38,231
And we have the reunion in 1998.

774
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,151
TERRIE: In 1998,
out in Montana,

775
00:39:43,171 --> 00:39:45,080
there was
a Heaven's Gate reunion.

776
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,200
Rob flew me out there,

777
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:50,021
and a bunch of other people,
ex-Heaven's Gaters.

778
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,031
ROBERT: People getting along.

779
00:39:52,051 --> 00:39:55,140
Lorraine remaining
100% true believer.

780
00:39:58,180 --> 00:40:01,120
It is a very difficult trip.

781
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:04,191
It's a very difficult
thing to do.

782
00:40:04,211 --> 00:40:09,031
But it had such wonderful,
beautiful endings,

783
00:40:09,051 --> 00:40:12,211
that it is all
very much worthwhile.

784
00:40:14,091 --> 00:40:19,111
I believe that TiDo
know my mind.

785
00:40:19,131 --> 00:40:22,240
And her daughter Sharon was
the very first follower.

786
00:40:23,021 --> 00:40:26,220
SHARON NELSON: At the beginning,
they were sort of humble.

787
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,160
You know, two people
out there in the wilderness

788
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:30,191
trying to figure out
what they're supposed to do.

789
00:40:30,211 --> 00:40:35,091
And you must understand
that Marshall Herff Applewhite

790
00:40:35,111 --> 00:40:39,091
has a complex, and it's called
the messiah complex.

791
00:40:39,111 --> 00:40:41,091
Regardless of how
they left here,

792
00:40:41,111 --> 00:40:42,251
it doesn't matter.

793
00:40:44,091 --> 00:40:47,091
To me, they're on a higher
level of understanding.

794
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:50,040
Absolutely convinced
that all of her Classmates

795
00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:51,171
were out in The Next Level.

796
00:40:51,191 --> 00:40:54,251
Dick Joslyn at this point
is convinced

797
00:40:55,031 --> 00:40:57,171
that he had been brainwashed,
but here they are,

798
00:40:57,191 --> 00:40:59,220
hanging out
on very good terms.

799
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:03,060
It was very cathartic

800
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,180
for most people,
I think, who went there.

801
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,191
But then, Terrie Nettles
had brought copies

802
00:41:11,211 --> 00:41:14,231
of these letters
that her mom had written her.

803
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,111
So, Terrie read excerpts
from these letters

804
00:41:21,131 --> 00:41:23,100
to these people in the group,

805
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,180
and they were, all of them,
absolutely dumbfounded

806
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,021
when they heard

807
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,021
that while
they're being told,

808
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,091
"you gotta give up your family,

809
00:41:35,111 --> 00:41:37,151
"and you're never gonna
see them again,

810
00:41:37,171 --> 00:41:39,211
and you can't have
any human attachments,"

811
00:41:39,231 --> 00:41:42,100
and all of that,
and meanwhile,

812
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,040
Ti has been writing home
and signing letters

813
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:48,220
like "Love, Mom,
love always,"

814
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,031
and giving advice
about how her daughter

815
00:41:52,051 --> 00:41:54,171
should conform to the ways
of the world.

816
00:41:54,191 --> 00:42:00,220
The date on here
was August 13th, 1982.

817
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,200
She says, "Be good,
strive for goodness,

818
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:07,060
"and by all means,
conform to society

819
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,060
so that you will have
peace of mind."

820
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,031
I'm sorry,
that was not their MO.

821
00:42:12,051 --> 00:42:13,231
They didn't believe
in causing violence

822
00:42:13,251 --> 00:42:15,200
or anything like that.

823
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:18,200
But by all means,
conform to society?

824
00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:21,060
That was not
what they were doing.

825
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,111
That was code.

826
00:42:24,131 --> 00:42:25,251
I look back on that,
that was code,

827
00:42:26,031 --> 00:42:27,240
but I didn't know it
at the time.

828
00:42:28,021 --> 00:42:30,240
But I just feel like
she wanted out of the group.

829
00:42:32,231 --> 00:42:34,231
ROBERT: When Terrie read
those passages,

830
00:42:34,251 --> 00:42:37,091
I was really shocked.

831
00:42:37,111 --> 00:42:40,111
And all the members,
absolutely across the board,

832
00:42:40,131 --> 00:42:43,091
they were just like--
not just flabbergasted,

833
00:42:43,111 --> 00:42:46,120
but a couple of 'em were just,
like, pissed off.

834
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:49,171
JANJA: During that whole time,
Ti was writing letters

835
00:42:49,191 --> 00:42:52,211
to her daughter back in Texas
and telling her to, like,

836
00:42:52,231 --> 00:42:54,240
do the right thing,
go to college.

837
00:42:55,021 --> 00:42:56,160
[laughing]
You know, and so you think,

838
00:42:56,180 --> 00:43:00,021
okay, if this lady really
believed what she's saying,

839
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,091
to me, that is the most
duplicitous example

840
00:43:03,111 --> 00:43:05,191
of sort of the con.

841
00:43:10,180 --> 00:43:13,211
TERRIE: People were angry,

842
00:43:13,231 --> 00:43:16,220
and I just kinda wanted
to slither out of there.

843
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:20,100
They weren't angry at me,
and I knew that.

844
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,031
Looks to me like Ti
really wanted to go home,

845
00:43:24,051 --> 00:43:27,151
but at the same time,
she's probably thinking,

846
00:43:27,171 --> 00:43:30,080
"Here I am in this group,
I have this comfortable life,

847
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:33,200
"or I go home,
and I'm constantly barraged by,

848
00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:36,200
"'Why did you run away?
Why did you abandon your kids?'

849
00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:40,251
"Hm, I think it's gonna be
easier for me to stay here

850
00:43:41,031 --> 00:43:43,131
"and die in this group
than it is to go home

851
00:43:43,151 --> 00:43:45,251
and deal with all of that."

852
00:43:47,021 --> 00:43:49,100
She got in so deep
and into it,

853
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,251
that she wasn't
able to turn around.

854
00:44:07,231 --> 00:44:11,171
FRANK: When I left the Class,
left the group,

855
00:44:11,191 --> 00:44:16,120
and tried to navigate my life

856
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:19,021
as a citizen at large,

857
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,251
didn't really know who I was.

858
00:44:27,071 --> 00:44:32,060
I'm finally at a point
where I could say

859
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,211
I want to be free.

860
00:44:34,231 --> 00:44:37,031
I want to travel
the country,

861
00:44:37,051 --> 00:44:40,051
I want to roam free.

862
00:44:40,071 --> 00:44:42,111
So, I got a van.

863
00:44:42,131 --> 00:44:45,031
I'm gonna be on the road,

864
00:44:45,051 --> 00:44:49,051
and I'll be learning
to have fun...

865
00:44:50,091 --> 00:44:54,191
like I haven't
allowed myself to.

866
00:46:01,140 --> 00:46:03,171
She was the love of my life.

867
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:11,111
I'm sure I will.

868
00:46:20,111 --> 00:46:22,131
SAWYER: I worked with Frank
a number of times.

869
00:46:22,151 --> 00:46:25,171
His name in the group
was ANDODY, A-N-D-O-D-Y.

870
00:46:25,191 --> 00:46:30,171
And Erika's name in the group
was CHKODY, C-H-K-O-D-Y.

871
00:46:30,191 --> 00:46:34,240
And she got that name
by taking the name "Check,"

872
00:46:35,031 --> 00:46:36,140
like "check partner."

873
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,051
They're both beautiful souls.

874
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:49,220
I... I feel like
Sawyer is...

875
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:53,151
is stuck.

876
00:47:22,091 --> 00:47:24,091
SAWYER: I don't feel guilt.
I feel like

877
00:47:24,111 --> 00:47:28,231
I flunked a test,
I flunked my test,

878
00:47:28,251 --> 00:47:31,031
and that I could have
graduated with them.

879
00:47:31,051 --> 00:47:33,071
I had the capacity
to do that.

880
00:47:33,091 --> 00:47:35,080
I believe that 100%.

881
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,231
Do left the door open,

882
00:47:39,251 --> 00:47:42,231
and so there's nobody
that can close it.

883
00:47:42,251 --> 00:47:44,240
Only he can close it,

884
00:47:45,021 --> 00:47:47,160
when he decides
that it's time.

885
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,071
And then we won't be talking
about this anymore.

886
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,131
[Aimee Mann, "Save Me"]

887
00:48:02,060 --> 00:48:04,080
JANJA: I think
there are two lessons

888
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:06,100
of the Heaven's Gate story.

889
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:10,191
One is to not be
judgmental.

890
00:48:10,211 --> 00:48:12,021
You know,
everybody wants to think,

891
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,120
"Oh, those are
those crazy people.

892
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:14,220
That's-- I would never do that."

893
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,120
Mm, not so fast.

894
00:48:19,031 --> 00:48:21,040
But I suppose
the most important lesson

895
00:48:21,060 --> 00:48:23,240
is to be careful.

896
00:48:24,021 --> 00:48:27,120
We tend to look
for these easy answers,

897
00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:29,191
and I think it's important
to remember

898
00:48:29,211 --> 00:48:32,120
that nobody has all the answers.

899
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:36,031
And once you turn that over
to someone,

900
00:48:36,051 --> 00:48:38,240
you put yourself
at great risk.

901
00:48:39,021 --> 00:48:43,131
♪ Save me ♪

902
00:48:43,151 --> 00:48:46,051
♪ Come on and ♪

903
00:48:46,071 --> 00:48:49,131
♪ Save Me ♪

904
00:48:49,151 --> 00:48:52,031
DEB: It's an ongoing puzzle
in my life,

905
00:48:52,051 --> 00:48:54,051
where I'm always
going to wonder,

906
00:48:54,071 --> 00:48:57,071
was there something
that I could have done?

907
00:48:58,231 --> 00:49:00,120
KELLY: I knew they loved me.

908
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:03,021
I just didn't trust
that they knew how to love me.

909
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,051
♪ They could never love anyone ♪

910
00:49:05,071 --> 00:49:08,200
I don't know if you ever
get over it, really.

911
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:10,131
JASON: Some people
are probably still upset

912
00:49:10,151 --> 00:49:13,051
by losing the people
that they lost.

913
00:49:13,071 --> 00:49:14,211
And the only thing
I can say is that

914
00:49:14,231 --> 00:49:17,191
they really, truly are
in a better place.

915
00:49:17,211 --> 00:49:18,211
It's true.

916
00:49:18,231 --> 00:49:21,220
♪ You know what it's like ♪

917
00:49:23,171 --> 00:49:25,180
DO: They say that we're a hoax,

918
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:31,021
say that we're just
two misguided,

919
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,180
insane creatures,

920
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,200
and that these poor
misguided individuals

921
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:40,051
and others like them are--
are endeavoring

922
00:49:40,071 --> 00:49:41,200
to do this thing.

923
00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:44,080
They're stronger now.

924
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:46,091
They have rid themselves more

925
00:49:46,111 --> 00:49:48,220
of the garbage
they have collected.

926
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,251
If we even turned out
to not be what we were,

927
00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:55,151
they are ten times
what they have ever been,

928
00:49:55,171 --> 00:49:57,120
and they know it.

929
00:49:57,140 --> 00:50:00,031
[song continues]

930
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,031
♪ Come on and ♪

931
00:50:12,051 --> 00:50:16,071
♪ Save me ♪

932
00:50:16,091 --> 00:50:18,220
♪ Why don't you ♪

933
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:22,021
♪ Save me ♪

934
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,231
♪ Come on and ♪

935
00:50:38,251 --> 00:50:43,220
♪ Save me ♪

936
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:47,080
♪ From the ranks
of the freaks ♪

937
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:51,120
♪ Who suspect
they could never love anyone ♪

938
00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:54,031
♪ Except the freaks ♪

939
00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:57,131
♪ Who could never
love anyone ♪♪