1 00:00:12,554 --> 00:00:14,055 this is my diary 2 00:00:14,139 --> 00:00:18,601 Let me read you a short paragraph Contents of December 12, 1978 3 00:00:19,102 --> 00:00:21,271 It reads: "It's a heartbreaking day 4 00:00:21,855 --> 00:00:23,732 Robert didn't come home last night 5 00:00:23,815 --> 00:00:26,693 He didn’t go back to the store and he didn’t go home.” 6 00:00:28,445 --> 00:00:31,031 (Nison Pharmacy Prescription drugs, medicines, cosmetics, daily necessities) 7 00:00:32,824 --> 00:00:34,534 About 15 years old 8 00:00:34,617 --> 00:00:36,995 I started working at Nissen Pharmacy 9 00:00:37,078 --> 00:00:40,749 I serve as secretary Responsible for standing in front of the counter and operating the cash register 10 00:00:41,791 --> 00:00:44,878 While working in a pharmacy I met Robert Pister 11 00:00:44,961 --> 00:00:46,880 He is the new tally clerk 12 00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:48,923 he loves sports 13 00:00:51,092 --> 00:00:52,093 is a gymnast 14 00:00:53,053 --> 00:00:58,224 He also likes hiking and is a photographer 15 00:00:58,725 --> 00:01:02,937 He works to save money to buy a camera and a car 16 00:01:03,021 --> 00:01:04,564 He has a very good relationship with his family 17 00:01:04,647 --> 00:01:07,233 He loves his family very much Mention them often when chatting 18 00:01:10,987 --> 00:01:13,865 I remember that day was December 11th. I went to work as usual. 19 00:01:14,991 --> 00:01:17,327 It’s freezing cold in Chicago in December 20 00:01:19,537 --> 00:01:22,832 The cash register is located just in front of the pharmacy door 21 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:25,835 There are often people coming and going, so I feel cold 22 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:31,216 Robert has a nice blue down jacket 23 00:01:31,299 --> 00:01:33,843 I asked him if he could lend me some clothes temporarily 24 00:01:33,927 --> 00:01:35,887 Because I have to stand in front of the counter and work 25 00:01:38,973 --> 00:01:42,435 I noticed There was a middle-aged man in a flannel shirt 26 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:44,020 Stayed in the store for a while 27 00:01:44,521 --> 00:01:47,690 I asked the pharmacist who that person was He said the other party was a contractor 28 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:51,486 So they planned to renovate the store at that time 29 00:01:52,529 --> 00:01:54,322 When night falls 30 00:01:54,405 --> 00:01:58,618 Robert walked up to the counter and said: “Can you give me your coat back? 31 00:01:58,701 --> 00:02:02,122 I’m going out to negotiate a job with that contractor.” 32 00:02:03,039 --> 00:02:05,208 He put on his coat and walked out 33 00:02:08,753 --> 00:02:10,922 The pharmacy is busy as usual 34 00:02:11,005 --> 00:02:12,841 I also forgot the time when I was busy 35 00:02:12,924 --> 00:02:15,468 Until close to closing time 36 00:02:15,552 --> 00:02:18,680 His mother came in and asked where her son had gone. 37 00:02:20,348 --> 00:02:25,019 I said: "He is outside Negotiate a job with a contractor.” 38 00:02:25,103 --> 00:02:28,148 She said she didn't see him outside just now 39 00:02:28,231 --> 00:02:31,025 Then she said: "When he comes back, ask him to call me. 40 00:02:31,109 --> 00:02:33,236 I’ll come and pick him up” 41 00:02:34,237 --> 00:02:36,906 Pharmacies close at 10 p.m. 42 00:02:38,074 --> 00:02:40,410 His mother called and asked, "Is he back?" 43 00:02:40,493 --> 00:02:42,537 I said, "No, he's not in the store." 44 00:02:44,497 --> 00:02:47,041 I know it was Robert's mother's birthday that night 45 00:02:47,125 --> 00:02:48,835 That's why she waited for a long time 46 00:02:48,918 --> 00:02:51,671 They agreed to celebrate their birthday together that night 47 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,966 There was no way Robert was going to miss his mother's birthday 48 00:02:55,049 --> 00:02:56,217 he is missing 49 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,893 NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY SERIES 50 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:55,485 First of all, don't call me "Mr. Gacy" 51 00:03:55,568 --> 00:03:57,987 Okay, John, we're just following the rules. 52 00:03:58,071 --> 00:04:00,949 I don't know who you are talking to Just call me "John" 53 00:04:01,032 --> 00:04:02,700 Okay, I'll call you John and continue. 54 00:04:02,784 --> 00:04:05,370 You can call me John or JW. Whatever others call me, you just call me 55 00:04:05,453 --> 00:04:07,497 if i annoy you Call me whatever you want 56 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:11,209 (Between November 1979 and April 1980) 57 00:04:11,292 --> 00:04:14,921 (John Wayne Gacy Awaiting court appearance for murder trial) 58 00:04:15,004 --> 00:04:20,176 (Interviewed by a member of his defense team The latter’s family members did not want to reveal their names) 59 00:04:21,469 --> 00:04:25,431 (The 60-hour conversation was all recorded) 60 00:04:25,515 --> 00:04:30,979 (The contents of the relevant tapes have never been released. This is the first time) 61 00:04:32,855 --> 00:04:35,316 No one wants to accept what I say 62 00:04:36,442 --> 00:04:40,363 because of what i said to you It's all what I call the truth 63 00:04:40,446 --> 00:04:45,702 Lying won't do me any good There's no harm either 64 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:51,582 I just feel like I keep saying the same thing over and over again 65 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:54,294 But I'm about to collapse 66 00:04:54,377 --> 00:04:57,213 I don't know how much more I can take 67 00:04:59,215 --> 00:05:03,803 -So what do you think is... -I don't know. I really don't know. 68 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:06,848 (1980 Chicago, Illinois) 69 00:05:09,017 --> 00:05:11,602 (1978 Chicago, Illinois) 70 00:05:15,481 --> 00:05:18,901 1978 I just left the public defender's office 71 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:21,112 and decided to open a private law firm 72 00:05:21,195 --> 00:05:24,991 One day I was in my brand new office Got a call 73 00:05:27,118 --> 00:05:28,411 I said, "This is a law firm." 74 00:05:28,494 --> 00:05:30,288 He said, "Hi Sam, I'm John Gacy." 75 00:05:30,371 --> 00:05:31,831 I said: "Hello John" 76 00:05:31,914 --> 00:05:33,624 He said, "Can I help you?" 77 00:05:33,708 --> 00:05:35,376 I said, "Okay, what do you need?" 78 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:37,920 "Check it for me Why am I being followed by Des Plaines police detectives?” 79 00:05:38,004 --> 00:05:39,505 I said, "No problem, I'll check it for you." 80 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:41,841 (Chicago) 81 00:05:42,425 --> 00:05:43,801 (City of Des Plaines) 82 00:05:43,885 --> 00:05:47,764 When things broke out, I was in charge Chief Public Defender, City of Des Plaines 83 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:51,768 I know people over there I know the police chief. I know the mayor. 84 00:05:51,851 --> 00:05:54,562 I said I would check it out for him and ask around for him. 85 00:05:54,645 --> 00:05:58,483 So he became My first client since opening my private law practice 86 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:02,320 people from the northwest neighborhoods of chicago 87 00:06:02,403 --> 00:06:05,490 Everyone knows John Gacy 88 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:09,702 He runs a construction company called PDM Company 89 00:06:09,786 --> 00:06:11,496 (PDM Construction Company Norwood Park, Illinois) 90 00:06:12,872 --> 00:06:17,502 He is also with the Cook County Democratic Organization Democratic constituency chief 91 00:06:18,628 --> 00:06:21,756 Responsibilities of the constituency mayor To take care of the well-being of community residents 92 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,176 For example, someone needs a trash can or a light bulb needs to be replaced. 93 00:06:25,259 --> 00:06:28,429 Or the driveway needs plowing, etc. 94 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:30,765 The constituency chief will help 95 00:06:32,433 --> 00:06:37,939 Canada West is Norwood Park Democratic Organization The most competent constituency chief 96 00:06:38,022 --> 00:06:39,440 everyone knows him 97 00:06:40,316 --> 00:06:42,235 I gradually became active in the Democratic Party 98 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:44,487 Because I hope to join politics one day 99 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:46,823 We also met through party affairs 100 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:49,909 He turned to me because I was influential locally 101 00:06:49,992 --> 00:06:51,953 Not because he thinks I'm a great lawyer 102 00:06:52,036 --> 00:06:53,830 It's because he thinks I'm powerful 103 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:57,041 So I went to the police station right away 104 00:06:57,125 --> 00:07:00,211 I asked, "Is John Gacy a good man?" Why are you following him? " 105 00:07:00,294 --> 00:07:03,464 Police said: "A child is missing. We believe the case is related to him." 106 00:07:03,548 --> 00:07:07,427 I said, "You must be crazy. The case of a missing teenager?" You must have found the wrong person.” 107 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:12,557 (Des Plaines Civic Center) 108 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:13,558 (Police station) 109 00:07:13,641 --> 00:07:15,435 (The disappearance of Robert Pister The first day of investigation) 110 00:07:15,518 --> 00:07:16,561 (December 12, 1978) 111 00:07:16,644 --> 00:07:20,523 The day after Robert Pister disappeared I was appointed to investigate the case 112 00:07:21,315 --> 00:07:24,277 Robert Pister Is a part-time employee at Nissen Pharmacy 113 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,237 The pharmacy is located on Tui Avenue in Des Plaines. 114 00:07:27,321 --> 00:07:30,533 The police received a missing person report submitted by Pister's family. 115 00:07:31,492 --> 00:07:33,035 Their whole family was in panic 116 00:07:33,119 --> 00:07:36,998 Because it is impossible for this boy to disappear 117 00:07:37,081 --> 00:07:39,709 When Mr. and Mrs. Pester walked into the office 118 00:07:40,668 --> 00:07:43,963 They were worried 119 00:07:44,589 --> 00:07:47,800 They were out all night looking for Robert 120 00:07:48,843 --> 00:07:53,014 After we talked for a while, they convinced me 121 00:07:53,097 --> 00:07:56,934 This case is not a simple runaway case. 122 00:07:57,018 --> 00:08:03,608 So our office That is to say, the prosecutor's office had to intervene in the case. 123 00:08:06,152 --> 00:08:10,239 Robert Pister He is an out-and-out 15-year-old American boy 124 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:14,118 like most people Comes from a very healthy family 125 00:08:14,202 --> 00:08:16,954 I have never had any other problems such as relationships 126 00:08:17,038 --> 00:08:19,332 He has a brother and a sister 127 00:08:19,874 --> 00:08:24,378 He is the youngest in the family and the family gets along well with each other. 128 00:08:24,462 --> 00:08:26,130 (home pharmacy) 129 00:08:26,214 --> 00:08:30,593 The police investigating the case went to the pharmacy 130 00:08:30,676 --> 00:08:32,470 Ask who went to the pharmacy that night 131 00:08:32,553 --> 00:08:36,432 and collected a list of people who visited the pharmacy that night 132 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:38,518 appeared on the list John Wayne Gacy name 133 00:08:38,601 --> 00:08:44,815 He went to the pharmacy to get an estimate for the renovation project 134 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:48,694 The first step in handling a case is to check the background of the relevant person 135 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:51,906 So we started investigating the people on the list Do you have a criminal record? 136 00:08:51,989 --> 00:08:54,700 impression Gacy is the second to last name on the list 137 00:08:54,784 --> 00:08:56,994 Because he had a sodomy conviction in Iowa. 138 00:08:57,078 --> 00:08:59,914 It immediately caught our attention 139 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:07,672 So we immediately named him the number one suspect. 140 00:09:07,755 --> 00:09:09,799 (Nison Pharmacy, Des Plaines) 141 00:09:09,882 --> 00:09:12,927 John Wayne Gacy Live in Norwood Park Township 142 00:09:13,010 --> 00:09:14,554 That's a Chicago address 143 00:09:14,637 --> 00:09:17,348 That's an unincorporated area of Cook County 144 00:09:20,184 --> 00:09:24,814 At the time, Chief of the Investigation Division of the Des Plaines Police Department It's Joseph Kosenko 145 00:09:24,897 --> 00:09:26,649 He went to question John Gacy 146 00:09:28,192 --> 00:09:31,988 Inspector Kosunchak That bastard from the Des Plaines PD. 147 00:09:32,071 --> 00:09:34,365 I was questioned about Pister's disappearance. 148 00:09:34,448 --> 00:09:36,951 He asked me if I could go to the police station to take notes. 149 00:09:37,034 --> 00:09:40,288 I told him I wasn't free Because someone in my family just passed away 150 00:09:40,371 --> 00:09:44,041 I'm waiting for my mom to call from Arkansas. 151 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:48,087 He told Kosenko that he needed to take care of family matters 152 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:51,757 Kosunchak said it doesn’t take long to write the transcript. Just come and visit 153 00:09:51,841 --> 00:09:53,384 he was very angry about this 154 00:09:53,467 --> 00:09:56,304 He said: "Kosunchak does not respect the deceased" 155 00:09:57,597 --> 00:10:00,057 I said: "Someone in my family just died. You don’t know etiquette very much” 156 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:06,564 So I told him, "I'll go there when I have time." I’ll go there later” 157 00:10:06,647 --> 00:10:07,982 "When is 'later'?" 158 00:10:08,065 --> 00:10:10,610 I said, "I don't know. I'll go there as soon as I have free time." 159 00:10:13,195 --> 00:10:16,157 There was a police detective stationed in front of his house. 160 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,453 A police officer saw Gacy arriving at the police station in a van. 161 00:10:20,536 --> 00:10:23,664 As soon as the van drove away, the police followed it. 162 00:10:23,748 --> 00:10:25,082 They thought the person in the car was Gashi 163 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:29,837 In fact, other workers drove the van away. 164 00:10:30,338 --> 00:10:33,841 After the police chased him, they discovered that Gashi was not in the car. 165 00:10:33,924 --> 00:10:35,217 Gacy had already left by then 166 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:45,019 When Gacy arrived at the police station 167 00:10:45,102 --> 00:10:47,688 It was 3 o'clock in the morning. Everyone in the police station was off duty at that time. 168 00:10:47,772 --> 00:10:50,066 I saw that his whole body was covered in mud The pants are stained with mud 169 00:10:50,149 --> 00:10:51,525 Shoes are covered with mud 170 00:10:52,902 --> 00:10:55,404 The rear bumper of his car was also covered in mud. 171 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:59,200 The mud extends all the way to the axle The pedals are also covered in mud. 172 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:02,745 At that time, no one in the police station could write a record for him. So he left 173 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:05,748 I drove to the Des Plaines Police Department. 174 00:11:05,831 --> 00:11:07,833 I thought the police would be waiting for me at the police station 175 00:11:07,917 --> 00:11:09,168 Who did you originally date? 176 00:11:09,251 --> 00:11:13,130 I said, "I want to see Inspector Kosunchak." The other person said: "He left a few hours ago" 177 00:11:13,214 --> 00:11:16,425 I said, "Okay, tell him I'll be back in the morning." 178 00:11:17,301 --> 00:11:20,638 What happened? Why is he covered in mud? 179 00:11:20,721 --> 00:11:22,390 Why is there mud on the car? 180 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:26,602 (The disappearance of Robert Pister Investigation enters second day) 181 00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:29,021 (December 13, 1978) 182 00:11:30,064 --> 00:11:36,237 I arrived at the police station at 10 or 11 o'clock in the morning 183 00:11:36,987 --> 00:11:39,490 The other party said: "Inspector Kosunchak wants to question you." 184 00:11:39,573 --> 00:11:42,451 I said, "Okay, I can wait a moment." 185 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:45,830 After 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock I said, "Listen, I'm in a hurry 186 00:11:45,913 --> 00:11:47,832 Because I still have things to do” 187 00:11:47,915 --> 00:11:50,334 I don't know what they are waiting for 188 00:11:51,293 --> 00:11:53,796 They told me to delay him 189 00:11:54,463 --> 00:11:57,007 He had not been arrested and we had no authority to detain him. 190 00:11:57,091 --> 00:12:01,095 I have to rely on my imagination to keep him 191 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,597 I'm pretty good at reading people. 192 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:07,226 I soon saw This guy is prone to self-aggrandizement 193 00:12:07,309 --> 00:12:09,186 So I deliberately said a few flattering words to him 194 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,731 Many times he just talks about something and nothing. 195 00:12:11,814 --> 00:12:15,818 He will exaggerate his status But I don't care who he is 196 00:12:15,901 --> 00:12:18,612 my first priority is Without using force 197 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:20,156 Leave him at the police station 198 00:12:20,239 --> 00:12:21,240 (Interrogation Room C) 199 00:12:21,323 --> 00:12:24,994 So I walked into that little room introduce yourself 200 00:12:25,077 --> 00:12:30,624 I asked: "Then you allow us to search Your house? " 201 00:12:30,708 --> 00:12:33,085 After all, you said you had nothing to hide.” 202 00:12:33,169 --> 00:12:35,713 He said: "No I will not allow you to search my house." 203 00:12:36,589 --> 00:12:38,174 At that time, I had already begun to doubt this guy. 204 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:42,052 The question is what is he trying to hide? 205 00:12:42,553 --> 00:12:45,431 If you want to apply for a search warrant, do it as soon as possible. 206 00:12:45,514 --> 00:12:48,017 Otherwise he will destroy possible evidence 207 00:12:49,185 --> 00:12:53,856 Is it 3:30 or 4:30? I don’t know what time it is either 208 00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:55,649 They asked me for the keys to my house 209 00:12:56,692 --> 00:12:58,569 I asked, "Why do you want my house key?" 210 00:12:58,652 --> 00:13:00,696 "We obtained a search warrant for your home. 211 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:04,700 Either you give us the key Or we kick in the door.” 212 00:13:05,743 --> 00:13:08,245 I said, "I don't have to give you anything." 213 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:10,498 But the key was still taken away by them. 214 00:13:16,212 --> 00:13:19,715 Des Plaines Police Department detectives obtained a search warrant. 215 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:22,009 To find the whereabouts of Robert Pister 216 00:13:22,092 --> 00:13:25,137 We have reason to believe he was kidnapped 217 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:30,893 The interior decoration of Gashi's house is very strange. 218 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:35,397 There is a Hawaiian style bar in the house and a pool table 219 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:39,193 A portrait of a clown hangs in the bedroom 220 00:13:40,194 --> 00:13:41,487 Looks a little weird 221 00:13:41,570 --> 00:13:47,034 These clowns don't look like good people Instead, it reveals an evil spirit, but... 222 00:13:48,077 --> 00:13:49,245 Everyone’s sense of beauty is different 223 00:13:52,873 --> 00:13:58,003 He has an office with bulletin boards all over it. 224 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:00,464 The weird thing is 225 00:14:00,548 --> 00:14:05,302 From the front kitchen Corridor extending all the way to the back bedrooms 226 00:14:05,886 --> 00:14:07,429 That's a dark brown corridor 227 00:14:07,513 --> 00:14:12,393 There are several zigzag yellow lines on the wall extends all the way to the back 228 00:14:13,310 --> 00:14:15,229 (A love letter to gay men, beautiful men must die) 229 00:14:15,312 --> 00:14:17,523 I found some books that contain... 230 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:21,443 I remember one of the books was called "Gay Men Must Die" 231 00:14:21,527 --> 00:14:23,404 (Male sex: male-male sex) 232 00:14:23,487 --> 00:14:24,655 (child molestation) 233 00:14:24,738 --> 00:14:29,785 We found some sex toys, sadomasochism toys 234 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:34,081 We also found chains and handcuffs. 235 00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:40,379 We also searched the trash cans and found a receipt for printing photos 236 00:14:40,462 --> 00:14:41,881 (Nison pharmacy receipt) 237 00:14:41,964 --> 00:14:43,591 Many people don’t know these days 238 00:14:43,674 --> 00:14:47,803 In the past, we had to take the negatives to the pharmacy for printing. 239 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:50,931 The pharmacy will put the photo in a zip-top envelope Hand over to customer 240 00:14:51,015 --> 00:14:53,851 We don't know what kind of photo it is. 241 00:14:53,934 --> 00:14:56,812 I just hope I can find clues 242 00:14:58,647 --> 00:15:01,775 We also found it in the house Western Maine High School graduation ring 243 00:15:01,859 --> 00:15:04,403 Western Maine High School is located in Des Plaines 244 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,907 The ring is engraved with the letters "JAS" is the first letter of the English name 245 00:15:09,950 --> 00:15:11,744 I also found a temporary driver's license 246 00:15:11,827 --> 00:15:14,747 and other people’s ID cards 247 00:15:15,247 --> 00:15:16,624 What is he doing with these things? 248 00:15:16,707 --> 00:15:20,044 We also found an elevated floor in the house 249 00:15:20,127 --> 00:15:24,089 Accessible via trapdoor in front storage room 250 00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:29,887 The water level in the overhead layer is very high So the drainage pump is always operating 251 00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:34,224 I'm a little claustrophobic So it's not easy for me to go down 252 00:15:34,308 --> 00:15:36,018 But I decided to put my fear aside 253 00:15:36,602 --> 00:15:40,648 I only see some sludge down there 254 00:15:41,899 --> 00:15:48,280 If there is a freshly dug grave Then we will find the mound 255 00:15:48,364 --> 00:15:49,907 But there are no mounds in the aerial layer 256 00:15:51,283 --> 00:15:55,537 There's nothing wrong underground Didn't see any bodies or clothes 257 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:57,665 Without a body, the crime cannot be established. 258 00:15:57,748 --> 00:15:59,500 The life or death of that 15-year-old boy is still uncertain 259 00:15:59,583 --> 00:16:03,587 we can't prosecute him But I think we should at least question him 260 00:16:04,254 --> 00:16:06,757 I told him that after I left Nissen Pharmacy 261 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,551 I never saw that child again 262 00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:11,720 I said I never talked to him 263 00:16:13,681 --> 00:16:15,474 Gaxi has a proud and arrogant personality 264 00:16:16,558 --> 00:16:17,726 arrogant 265 00:16:18,394 --> 00:16:21,689 When we approached him for questioning, he felt insulted. 266 00:16:22,189 --> 00:16:25,651 With all due respect, Gacy is bullshit. 267 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:29,655 He often brags about how great and rich he is 268 00:16:29,738 --> 00:16:30,990 show off as much as possible 269 00:16:32,866 --> 00:16:38,455 They keep playing with me, back and forth, back and forth 270 00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:43,502 I've already taken notes. What else do they want to do? 271 00:16:43,585 --> 00:16:48,257 I said, "You can either sue me Or let me go” 272 00:16:49,883 --> 00:16:53,637 Then we can either prosecute him or let him go. 273 00:16:53,721 --> 00:16:56,932 We have no right to detain him After all, we don't know what happened to Robert 274 00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:59,518 But we still doubt This case has nothing to do with Gacy 275 00:16:59,601 --> 00:17:02,062 Plus he's in Iowa Have a history of sodomy 276 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:03,772 Makes us more suspicious that he may be involved in the case 277 00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:05,816 Definitely worth our in-depth investigation 278 00:17:06,316 --> 00:17:08,694 (1978 Illinois Des Plaines) 279 00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:13,240 (Waterloo, Iowa, 1966) 280 00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:16,493 Waterloo is a great place 281 00:17:16,577 --> 00:17:18,078 Children can be seen riding bicycles on the street 282 00:17:20,164 --> 00:17:24,460 They come and go as they please. There's not much crime in the area. 283 00:17:26,253 --> 00:17:28,505 I feel safe living in the community 284 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:32,509 In 1963, I had just graduated from Iowa State University After law school 285 00:17:32,593 --> 00:17:34,928 Came to Waterloo 286 00:17:35,012 --> 00:17:39,058 I was hired as a trust officer in a bank 287 00:17:39,641 --> 00:17:43,979 Soon joined the Waterloo Junior Chamber of Commerce 288 00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:47,399 Two years later, I ran for the position of president 289 00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:53,363 John Gacy was also around the same time Come to Waterloo 290 00:17:54,281 --> 00:17:55,949 I moved to Waterloo, Iowa 291 00:17:56,033 --> 00:17:59,828 Joined the Youth Chamber of Commerce and became an active member 292 00:18:00,579 --> 00:18:05,084 During the 1960s and 1970s Even during the 1980s 293 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:09,963 The Youth Chamber of Commerce is basically a group of Composed of young people aged between 18 and 35 294 00:18:10,672 --> 00:18:13,175 We often host charity events 295 00:18:14,218 --> 00:18:17,304 Young people interested in integrating into the local community 296 00:18:17,387 --> 00:18:19,765 Participating in the Youth Chamber of Commerce is one of the channels 297 00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:31,151 John Gacy came to me in 1966 298 00:18:31,235 --> 00:18:36,323 As soon as we met, he said he was interested in joining the Youth Chamber of Commerce 299 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:39,785 I know he is married 300 00:18:40,869 --> 00:18:46,667 Marlene and I got engaged on March 13, 1964 301 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:49,128 They got married in September of the same year 302 00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:52,005 I was very happy during the first two years of my marriage 303 00:18:52,089 --> 00:18:53,674 The whole person is immersed in happiness 304 00:18:55,092 --> 00:18:58,387 I feel a wonderful warmth 305 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:00,139 we are happy together 306 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:04,226 We also have two children michael and christine 307 00:19:05,269 --> 00:19:07,938 Our family often goes to church together 308 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,152 why we moved to iowa 309 00:19:13,235 --> 00:19:16,238 Not because the marriage broke up 310 00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:19,908 It's just that I lived with my father-in-law for a year I can't stand him 311 00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:23,745 John Gacy moves to Waterloo 312 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:30,085 It's for business Several KFC restaurants owned by his father-in-law 313 00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:32,963 My performance can never satisfy my father-in-law 314 00:19:33,046 --> 00:19:36,175 My father-in-law gave me the same impression as my father 315 00:19:36,258 --> 00:19:38,468 I will never get my father's approval 316 00:19:38,552 --> 00:19:41,138 My father-in-law will never approve of me either 317 00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:46,894 When I was a child and lived under the same roof with my father, Our relationship is very bad 318 00:19:46,977 --> 00:19:51,273 Because I can never reach the heights he wants 319 00:19:54,943 --> 00:19:59,781 Everyone thinks John is a hot-tempered person I think this statement is very appropriate 320 00:19:59,865 --> 00:20:03,160 Some people don't like it, some people don't take it seriously 321 00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:08,540 He has a habit that is hard to ignore 322 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:10,834 That means he drives very fast 323 00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:12,628 No one likes to ride in the car he drives 324 00:20:12,711 --> 00:20:17,883 Every time he drives, it's like he wants to put out a fire 325 00:20:17,966 --> 00:20:19,635 I don't know where he is rushing to 326 00:20:19,718 --> 00:20:22,804 I don't know if he knows where he is going. 327 00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:24,431 But… 328 00:20:24,514 --> 00:20:26,767 This shows that he has some desire 329 00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:33,857 1967 I was 18 years old 330 00:20:34,358 --> 00:20:39,404 When I was at Ellsworth Community College 331 00:20:39,488 --> 00:20:40,989 The school is located in Iowa Falls 332 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:45,953 I usually drive to school with two other classmates They all live in Waterloo 333 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:50,874 One night in January 1967 334 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:54,253 They picked me up at my house 335 00:20:54,336 --> 00:20:59,091 One of the classmates 336 00:20:59,174 --> 00:21:02,886 Worked at a local KFC restaurant 337 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,892 After he said he was going to the KFC restaurant to collect his salary 338 00:21:08,976 --> 00:21:11,520 We just drove back to Iowa Falls together. 339 00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:13,605 That was the first time I met John Gacy 340 00:21:15,565 --> 00:21:18,610 He looks gentle and courteous and is very friendly to others. 341 00:21:20,487 --> 00:21:25,284 But I didn't have much impression of him at the time 342 00:21:28,203 --> 00:21:29,079 After entering the KFC restaurant 343 00:21:29,162 --> 00:21:33,709 John Gacy said to these two classmates: "Why don't you come to my house to play?" 344 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:37,004 He said: "My wife and son have gone out of town. they are all in chicago 345 00:21:37,087 --> 00:21:40,507 Why don't you come to my house to play? we can play billiards 346 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:42,759 Drinking and having fun etc.” 347 00:21:44,803 --> 00:21:48,181 John Gacy's house is nothing special 348 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:52,978 It’s a common house in a middle-class neighborhood in Waterloo. 349 00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:57,482 He has a finished basement 350 00:21:57,566 --> 00:22:00,569 There's a built-in bar inside 351 00:22:00,652 --> 00:22:02,529 and a decent pool table 352 00:22:05,782 --> 00:22:09,619 Let's start playing billiards I was pretty good at playing billiards at that time. 353 00:22:09,703 --> 00:22:11,747 Defeat him every game 354 00:22:13,498 --> 00:22:16,835 During this period, he asked me if I wanted to bet on football. 355 00:22:16,918 --> 00:22:18,128 I said: "Okay" 356 00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:21,256 So we started betting a dollar a game 357 00:22:22,674 --> 00:22:26,845 During this period he also mentioned that he was from Chicago 358 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:30,265 Well-connected in Chicago 359 00:22:30,766 --> 00:22:35,896 He told me he was a personal friend of the mayor of Chicago. 360 00:22:35,979 --> 00:22:39,399 He also said that he also knew the chief of the Chicago Police Department. 361 00:22:42,069 --> 00:22:48,784 The walls are covered with framed certificates 362 00:22:48,867 --> 00:22:51,828 one of the certificates 363 00:22:51,912 --> 00:22:57,250 From the Iowa Sexual Health Education Council 364 00:22:57,959 --> 00:23:04,591 He told me He is a member of a gay research society 365 00:23:08,261 --> 00:23:10,013 People have three sexual tendencies 366 00:23:10,097 --> 00:23:11,973 heterosexual 367 00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:14,768 gay 368 00:23:14,851 --> 00:23:16,770 and bisexuality 369 00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:21,066 You can't define clinical medicine Put it on me 370 00:23:21,149 --> 00:23:23,276 After all, that's not what I thought 371 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:27,072 Heterosexual means Emotionally attracted to people of the opposite gender 372 00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,868 Homosexuality means Emotionally attracted to people of the same gender 373 00:23:33,036 --> 00:23:36,665 And bisexuals I just want to have sex with someone 374 00:23:37,374 --> 00:23:39,209 for me Bisexuality is just a form of masturbation 375 00:23:39,292 --> 00:23:42,629 This kind of person can do things without involving emotions Have sex with men and women 376 00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:47,676 So I can say sincerely I have never been in a gay relationship 377 00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:52,931 Because I've only had oral sex and anal sex 378 00:23:53,014 --> 00:23:54,850 That's not called love 379 00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:57,602 No feelings, no love 380 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:04,734 The other two friends were already very drunk at the time. 381 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:08,447 They talked about going to a party later 382 00:24:08,530 --> 00:24:10,866 They were going to invite John Gacy to go with them 383 00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:14,661 My two friends said 384 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:18,582 "Nemus, do you want to spend the night at Gacy's house? 385 00:24:18,665 --> 00:24:22,043 You can be together tomorrow morning Drive to Iowa Falls 386 00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:24,087 By the way, I’ll show Jia Xi around.” 387 00:24:26,756 --> 00:24:30,051 I don't want to spend the night at John Gacy's house 388 00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:31,428 After all, I don't know this man 389 00:24:31,511 --> 00:24:36,141 It's just that I thought spending the night at John Gacy's house 390 00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:39,686 Better than hanging out with two drunks Driving back in the snow is safer 391 00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:44,357 After they left the Gashi house, we continued playing pool. 392 00:24:44,441 --> 00:24:48,445 John Gacy starts converting the entire chat 393 00:24:48,528 --> 00:24:51,865 He looked at me and said, "I have an idea 394 00:24:52,449 --> 00:24:58,246 Why don't we bet big in this round? 395 00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:03,460 If I win you perform sex acts on me 396 00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:08,089 If you win I will perform sex acts on you” 397 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:14,137 What I do is I make suggestions. 398 00:25:14,221 --> 00:25:18,099 If the other person is interested, he will continue chatting with me. 399 00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:24,231 After all, we can’t just go to the street and ask people: “Want to have sex with a man? " 400 00:25:24,981 --> 00:25:27,359 Be careful of being beaten up 401 00:25:27,442 --> 00:25:31,863 we will hint to each other Then see how they respond 402 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:34,699 I told him: "No 403 00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:39,162 I won't let you perform sex acts on me 404 00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:42,082 I will never perform sexual acts on you." 405 00:25:43,917 --> 00:25:45,961 Then he started laughing 406 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:50,966 He asked me if I had seen any… 407 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:56,846 These days this thing is called a sex video In that era, it was called pornographic movies 408 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:59,099 He asked me: “Do you want to watch some porn movies? " 409 00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:04,563 So he bought a projector fix it on the table 410 00:26:04,646 --> 00:26:07,899 Also got a big screen 411 00:26:07,983 --> 00:26:09,234 Pull up the screen 412 00:26:11,486 --> 00:26:14,990 After turning on the projector, he left the room 413 00:26:20,203 --> 00:26:24,791 Less than five minutes or so 414 00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:27,919 suddenly the lights came on 415 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:31,256 At the same time I heard a clicking sound from behind 416 00:26:33,383 --> 00:26:35,010 So I turned around and looked 417 00:26:37,137 --> 00:26:39,598 I saw a gun pointed at my head 418 00:26:40,098 --> 00:26:41,641 I can see the bomb nest from my angle 419 00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:45,937 That's a revolver I can see the bullet in the chamber 420 00:26:46,021 --> 00:26:50,525 So I know for a fact that it's a real gun. He had a real gun pointed at my head 421 00:26:51,901 --> 00:26:56,740 Then he asked me to take off my pants 422 00:26:56,823 --> 00:26:59,618 He wants to have sex with me 423 00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:03,663 I cried then 424 00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,666 i cried 425 00:27:07,375 --> 00:27:09,628 I beg him to spare me 426 00:27:09,711 --> 00:27:15,091 After a moment of fright 427 00:27:16,551 --> 00:27:20,347 He smiled at me and said: "You go... 428 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:23,224 Pull up your pants and walk to the bar." 429 00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:25,935 he continued smiling 430 00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:30,857 He has a special hobby 431 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:35,945 That's putting mental pressure on people 432 00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:39,366 I want to see how the other person reacts 433 00:27:39,866 --> 00:27:44,996 He said he has been analyzing my personality 434 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,834 After hearing what he said, I completely let down my guard. I thought I was safe 435 00:27:49,918 --> 00:27:54,422 Although this man is a bit weird 436 00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:57,384 I still feel safe 437 00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:00,553 Then he said: "Okay, are you going to bed?" 438 00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:04,224 Then let's go to sleep and wake up early tomorrow morning 439 00:28:04,307 --> 00:28:06,976 after breakfast We'll drive to Iowa Falls." 440 00:28:08,895 --> 00:28:11,272 That night I couldn't sleep 441 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,945 Then I felt a hand touch my thigh 442 00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:25,328 I open my eyes Found John Gacy sitting on the edge of the bed 443 00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:28,206 Then… 444 00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:33,420 light coming in through windows I can see his face 445 00:28:35,338 --> 00:28:40,719 The shadow that that scene left on me is still there to this day. 446 00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:42,220 Then… 447 00:28:42,762 --> 00:28:45,181 The face I saw that night 448 00:28:45,265 --> 00:28:47,976 I don't know how to describe it either All in all very scary 449 00:28:50,019 --> 00:28:55,859 He held a knife to my neck 450 00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:58,194 He put the knife on my neck 451 00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:04,200 while rubbing my thighs 452 00:29:05,326 --> 00:29:10,790 He said he was going to finish what we started in the basement 453 00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:16,254 He wants to have sex with me 454 00:29:20,508 --> 00:29:22,343 Then I started crying again 455 00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:26,514 I cried and begged him to spare me. 456 00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:29,684 He quickly took the knife away 457 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,020 started laughing again 458 00:29:32,103 --> 00:29:36,399 he argued He was just doing a psychological test on me in the basement 459 00:29:36,483 --> 00:29:39,694 Couldn't break my psychological defense 460 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:43,281 So I feel very upset 461 00:29:43,364 --> 00:29:47,160 Even though he was annoyed, he wanted to try again 462 00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:48,787 I don't believe what he said 463 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:50,830 Then he left my room Go back to your bedroom 464 00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:55,710 I'll get up and get dressed right away Sitting in bed all night until 6:30 in the morning 465 00:29:57,712 --> 00:30:01,633 That morning, I knocked on his door I said, "I'm ready to go." 466 00:30:03,384 --> 00:30:06,679 The drive to Iowa Falls is an hour and a half 467 00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:11,684 On the way he said to me: "Listen Steve I know you're angry with me 468 00:30:12,185 --> 00:30:14,229 but i want you to understand 469 00:30:14,312 --> 00:30:18,107 If I catch you mentioning this to anyone 470 00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:22,946 All I have to do is make a call to Chicago 471 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,450 There's a guy coming to Iowa Falls the next day. 472 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:30,078 Kill you" 473 00:30:31,538 --> 00:30:36,376 I did not report this to Waterloo Police Because I don't want to bring it up again 474 00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:38,545 I was just an 18-year-old boy back then 475 00:30:39,254 --> 00:30:42,841 Being forced by an adult to take off his pants 476 00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:48,638 An adult held a knife to his neck and rubbed his thighs 477 00:30:50,557 --> 00:30:54,143 This is not something a young man wants to mention again 478 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:04,070 I always thought John was a proactive person 479 00:31:04,153 --> 00:31:06,906 He always wanted to move up the ranks in the Junior Chamber of Commerce 480 00:31:07,907 --> 00:31:11,786 Later he finally succeeded in being listed as one of my heirs 481 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,998 He became a chaplain of the Waterloo Junior Chamber of Commerce 482 00:31:15,081 --> 00:31:19,961 The so-called "priest" refers to We are responsible for praying before meals 483 00:31:20,044 --> 00:31:26,926 This also gave him the idea of running for the position of president. 484 00:31:27,927 --> 00:31:33,975 In my mind, it was also at the same time Rumors about John Gacy's duplicity 485 00:31:34,058 --> 00:31:35,935 began to spread like wildfire 486 00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:41,024 In 1967, I started running for president of the Youth Chamber of Commerce. 487 00:31:41,107 --> 00:31:45,445 I invite Donald Worthy Jr. Serve as my campaign chief of staff 488 00:31:45,528 --> 00:31:46,404 (Washe) 489 00:31:46,487 --> 00:31:50,533 Donald Worthy Jr. Was a member of the Youth Chamber of Commerce 490 00:31:50,617 --> 00:31:52,994 Later, he also participated in the election for state legislators. 491 00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:56,956 Once elected to the Iowa State Assembly 492 00:31:58,041 --> 00:32:01,002 The subject of that incident was Donald Worthy Jr. 493 00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:03,171 He was only 15 years old that year 494 00:32:03,254 --> 00:32:05,006 I remember that was 1967 495 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:08,718 Summer 1967 or August or September 1967 496 00:32:08,801 --> 00:32:09,928 Probably around that period 497 00:32:10,678 --> 00:32:13,348 Donald Voshee… That day I drove to different branches to do business 498 00:32:13,431 --> 00:32:15,725 that's my routine 499 00:32:15,808 --> 00:32:19,771 Donald Worthy Wants a Ride So I decided to give him a ride 500 00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:23,107 He talked to me about porn 501 00:32:24,984 --> 00:32:27,904 I was like a scumbag driving him to my house 502 00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:29,781 Then show him porn 503 00:32:29,864 --> 00:32:31,658 It will naturally make you feel hot when you watch it 504 00:32:32,575 --> 00:32:34,953 Anyway, to make a long story short 505 00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:38,289 Finally he gave me a blowjob 506 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:40,583 I believe I did it to him too. 507 00:32:43,878 --> 00:32:49,634 I have a wife and two children And career and property 508 00:32:50,134 --> 00:32:55,431 Why should I have sex with an underage teenager? 509 00:32:55,515 --> 00:32:57,642 (Gasi was charged with Had a relationship with a minor in August last year) 510 00:32:57,725 --> 00:33:00,770 He told his dad what happened His dad contacted the state attorney 511 00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:03,815 So I was sued 512 00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:05,692 (Waterloo, Iowa Police Department John Wayne Gacy) 513 00:33:05,775 --> 00:33:11,114 After John was arrested for sexually assaulting Donald Jr. 514 00:33:11,614 --> 00:33:17,078 The incident instantly became a hot topic in the city 515 00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:21,332 I was later charged with sodomy 516 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:23,042 (Gathy charged with sodomy) 517 00:33:23,126 --> 00:33:24,585 (Mental status assessment) 518 00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:28,339 I'm in Iowa City for a mental status evaluation 519 00:33:28,423 --> 00:33:30,717 The assessment result is that I have antisocial personality 520 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,634 (Psychopathy) 521 00:33:32,385 --> 00:33:34,846 The whole process is like an experiment 522 00:33:34,929 --> 00:33:39,934 Doctors believe the disease is unlikely to recur 523 00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:41,686 It's all bullshit 524 00:33:41,769 --> 00:33:43,312 (Total denial) 525 00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:45,440 This kind of thing shouldn't happen at all 526 00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:47,066 That's why I think 527 00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:50,445 I'm not the perpetrator, I'm the victim I'm being used 528 00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:51,446 (blame others) 529 00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:54,073 I think of my two children. I think of Marlene. 530 00:33:54,157 --> 00:33:55,950 I've never been in trouble 531 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:57,952 After the release of the pre-sentence investigation report 532 00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:02,957 The lawyer thinks I might get a suspended sentence 533 00:34:03,666 --> 00:34:06,127 So we chose not to argue but to plead guilty. 534 00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,005 The court then began to weigh criminal liability 535 00:34:09,088 --> 00:34:12,383 In the end I was sentenced to ten years in prison My jaw almost dropped 536 00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:13,551 I can't believe it 537 00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:15,219 (Gasi was sentenced to ten years in prison) 538 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:20,767 the day he was sentenced I received Marlene's divorce application 539 00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:23,186 The reason is that I was found guilty 540 00:34:23,269 --> 00:34:25,646 That was the last time she came to visit me 541 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:29,650 She came to me and said she must divorce me 542 00:34:29,734 --> 00:34:33,821 if she doesn't divorce My father-in-law would take the child away from her 543 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,449 Are they your biological children? 544 00:34:36,532 --> 00:34:40,036 Yes, they were still young at that time 545 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,122 The last time I saw them was in 1968 546 00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:46,584 (Waterloo, Iowa, 1968) 547 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:51,172 (1978 Des Plaines, Illinois) 548 00:34:53,883 --> 00:34:55,635 (The disappearance of Robert Pister Investigation enters third day) 549 00:34:55,718 --> 00:35:00,640 García guilty of sexually assaulting minors and sentenced to jail 550 00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:04,352 I learned the news at that time Do you think we are surprised? 551 00:35:04,936 --> 00:35:06,729 With this information, what should we do next? 552 00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:09,774 How do we continue to monitor Canada? 553 00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:12,777 What will we find out about this? 554 00:35:13,486 --> 00:35:16,447 The then Chief of the Investigation Section It's Inspector Joseph Kosenkok 555 00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:19,408 Round-the-clock surveillance order issued for Western Canada 556 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:24,956 So Bob Schultz and Ron Robinson Start following him from noon to midnight 557 00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:28,626 Dave Hachmeister Follow him from midnight to noon 558 00:35:28,709 --> 00:35:34,882 I'm his partner The two of us were responsible for following him from midnight to noon 559 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:40,304 The police didn't want to alert the snake 560 00:35:40,388 --> 00:35:44,767 But he realized the next day that he was being followed by us 561 00:35:44,851 --> 00:35:50,189 At that stage we had to change our strategy 562 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:56,195 We think that if he were to be surveilled publicly 563 00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:59,949 Maybe it can put more psychological pressure on him 564 00:36:00,032 --> 00:36:04,620 The so-called "empty surveillance operation" It means knocking on the person’s door 565 00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:08,457 Introduce yourself to the client as a police officer 566 00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:12,837 and inform the other party The police will monitor him around the clock for seven days 567 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,755 follow him 568 00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:21,304 (The disappearance of Robert Pister Investigation enters fourth day) 569 00:36:21,387 --> 00:36:23,890 (December 15, 1978) 570 00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:27,894 After learning that I was being followed by the police The first public place he went to was Moose Xiaozhu 571 00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:30,897 As soon as Gashi walked in the door Everyone said, "Here comes John!" 572 00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:34,400 They all gathered around to greet him: "How are you doing John? Nice to meet you" 573 00:36:34,483 --> 00:36:37,653 The scene is quite lively While following him, this kind of scene was quite common. 574 00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:42,241 He does not seem to object to police surveillance operations 575 00:36:42,325 --> 00:36:46,621 He's happy to go back and forth with the police 576 00:36:47,788 --> 00:36:49,707 I have been under police surveillance 577 00:36:50,499 --> 00:36:53,544 I can get rid of them anytime, anywhere 578 00:36:53,628 --> 00:36:56,380 But I kept stopping to help them 579 00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:59,800 Sometimes they tell me to slow down One detective said, "Oh my God, you're always busy." 580 00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:01,844 I said: "I have a lot to do 581 00:37:01,928 --> 00:37:04,388 I have a job in Aurora, Illinois 582 00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:07,892 There's a job in Waukegan, Illinois There are three jobs in Chicago” 583 00:37:07,975 --> 00:37:11,062 I said, "These jobs take time to complete. So I just have to run around.” 584 00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:15,233 He's playing cat and mouse with the police 585 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:16,484 Trying to outwit the police 586 00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:18,986 Want to control police actions 587 00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:22,114 Want to show that he is the one in control of the situation 588 00:37:24,992 --> 00:37:28,621 While following John We found out that he has abilities that are as good as ours 589 00:37:28,704 --> 00:37:30,373 He's a racing maniac 590 00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:35,461 John tests our driving skills every day 591 00:37:35,544 --> 00:37:37,964 He would often go back and forth on the trail 592 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:42,760 He will drive at a speed of 60 to 80 kilometers per hour driving on small roads 593 00:37:44,178 --> 00:37:47,014 When driving on the Kennedy Expressway 594 00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:50,268 There were many times when we had to try to keep up with John 595 00:37:50,351 --> 00:37:52,853 Sometimes we have to use the emergency lane 596 00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:56,274 Whether inside or outside the tunnel 597 00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:58,067 We all have to try our best to keep up with him 598 00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:03,447 We follow him around the clock 599 00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:05,783 If John walks into a cafe and drinks coffee 600 00:38:05,866 --> 00:38:09,036 We will follow you in Sit with him and drink coffee 601 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,956 if he walks into a bar We will follow you in 602 00:38:13,791 --> 00:38:18,296 While staying at the restaurant We chatted with Gacy for a long time 603 00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:21,465 More and more people are seeing We go out in public places with Gacy 604 00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:27,638 Gacy would tell people about the F.B.I. Want to get drug trafficking information from him 605 00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:31,267 He also told people in several places We are his bodyguards 606 00:38:32,351 --> 00:38:36,772 During this period, he also revealed to us He also hired someone to follow us 607 00:38:37,523 --> 00:38:38,649 spy on us 608 00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:43,487 As long as he makes a sign, the latter will attack us. 609 00:38:44,613 --> 00:38:47,616 We knew right away that Gacy was an egomaniac. 610 00:38:49,952 --> 00:38:54,832 Once he said he heard someone Find Robert Pister in Wisconsin 611 00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:56,917 Robert is fine 612 00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:05,593 Robert can't run away from home 613 00:39:08,721 --> 00:39:10,264 Something must be wrong 614 00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:15,519 The police once took Pister's family Come to school and find me 615 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:18,939 They want to know what Robert said before he disappeared. Wonder where he went 616 00:39:19,023 --> 00:39:23,944 I explained that the other day Robert said He's going out to talk to that contractor about a job 617 00:39:24,028 --> 00:39:26,989 Later they told me The contractor denies this 618 00:39:27,073 --> 00:39:31,202 The other party said I lied He never approached Robert to talk about errands 619 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:34,413 I was very angry when I found out Because I can't lie 620 00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:39,460 (The disappearance of Robert Pister Investigation enters fifth day) 621 00:39:39,543 --> 00:39:41,587 (December 16, 1978) 622 00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:45,508 I was working for the city of Des Plaines at the time. But I'm not the police over there 623 00:39:45,591 --> 00:39:48,302 I'm actually a detective with the Cook County Sheriff's Department. 624 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,304 He was just sent to the state prosecutor's office to handle matters 625 00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:52,932 My identity is like a middleman 626 00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:58,604 Based on my position Many times I'm lucky enough to do what I want to do 627 00:39:58,687 --> 00:40:01,023 If I need to investigate a case, I'll do it 628 00:40:01,107 --> 00:40:04,527 I don't need anyone's permission I can do it myself 629 00:40:04,610 --> 00:40:06,112 (John Wayne Gacy Paroled in Illinois) 630 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:08,948 Let's look at his criminal record. He was arrested several times by the police 631 00:40:09,031 --> 00:40:12,076 It’s just that these crimes don’t seem to have anything to do with sexual assault. 632 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,746 Most of them are disorderly conduct, assault, etc. 633 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:20,501 Not mentioned above He induced underage teenagers to engage in sexual acts 634 00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:21,877 None of these details are above 635 00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:26,590 The Democratic Party is strong At that time, Canada West was a member of the Democratic Party 636 00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:30,302 We didn't expect anyone to call the police and say 637 00:40:30,386 --> 00:40:34,890 "Don't bother this guy. He is a gentleman, he is a good person.” 638 00:40:34,974 --> 00:40:37,351 This is how Cook County used to do it. 639 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,607 that era Gay teenagers and young adults face discrimination 640 00:40:44,233 --> 00:40:47,445 If a gay man goes to the police to report Canada 641 00:40:47,528 --> 00:40:50,239 Do you think the police will believe it? Jia Xi is a respectable person. 642 00:40:50,322 --> 00:40:52,950 He has a wide network of contacts 643 00:40:57,830 --> 00:41:02,668 Gacy often picks young men to work for him 644 00:41:02,751 --> 00:41:04,253 They are thin 645 00:41:04,336 --> 00:41:06,213 Usually blond men 646 00:41:07,047 --> 00:41:10,801 We noticed two other young men Michael Rossi 647 00:41:10,885 --> 00:41:12,094 and David Crumb 648 00:41:12,928 --> 00:41:17,600 Michael Rossi and David Crumb He is Gashi's assistant at PDM Company 649 00:41:17,683 --> 00:41:20,895 They have a very close working relationship 650 00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:22,813 But they were just John’s little… 651 00:41:22,897 --> 00:41:26,775 They are all handymen who run errands for him 652 00:41:28,194 --> 00:41:30,654 During the investigation 653 00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:34,325 One thing we discovered when we visited other people 654 00:41:34,408 --> 00:41:37,369 They said: "There is a young man named 655 00:41:37,453 --> 00:41:40,206 Used to work for Jixi Haven’t seen him for a while.” 656 00:41:40,289 --> 00:41:43,417 Then someone started to come forward and reveal 657 00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:46,462 "I know this guy He used to work in that company and he also disappeared." 658 00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,840 Gregory Gorczyk is a boy from chicago 659 00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:52,301 He used to work for Gacy 660 00:41:52,384 --> 00:41:54,386 he is missing 661 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:59,850 Then we found Another young man who once worked for Jixi 662 00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:00,976 also missing 663 00:42:02,102 --> 00:42:05,981 John Butkovitch suddenly didn't come to work one day No one has seen him since 664 00:42:06,065 --> 00:42:08,526 The police questioned him but came to no conclusion. 665 00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:11,612 Garcia denies all He said he didn't know the boy was missing 666 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,991 When the original search of Gacy's residence was 667 00:42:16,075 --> 00:42:19,078 We found one in the house Graduation ring engraved with the initials "JS" 668 00:42:19,161 --> 00:42:22,873 That ring originally belonged to A boy named John Schick 669 00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:27,503 He used to live in Des Plaines Later moved to Chicago 670 00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:29,838 We contacted his parents. 671 00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:33,592 His mother said her son has been missing for a while 672 00:42:34,677 --> 00:42:37,763 John Schick disappeared with his car His car was not found. 673 00:42:37,846 --> 00:42:40,599 During the investigation 674 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:44,436 We obtained the model information of Schick's private car 675 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,855 One of the colleagues, who seemed to be named Tovar, said 676 00:42:46,939 --> 00:42:49,692 "The same car Michael Rossi drives" 677 00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:51,986 Only the vehicle identification number has been changed 678 00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:56,574 Gacy has sold the car cheaply to Rossi 679 00:42:58,033 --> 00:43:03,956 So we learn that John Related to four or five missing persons 680 00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:08,335 The men had not yet been found 681 00:43:08,961 --> 00:43:11,005 This is a very unusual situation 682 00:43:11,088 --> 00:43:15,342 Ordinary people rarely know the missing person 683 00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:17,261 It's even more unusual to know four or five missing people at the same time. 684 00:43:18,304 --> 00:43:21,432 This information emerged at the same time 685 00:43:21,515 --> 00:43:23,767 We suspect they are in danger. 686 00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:26,729 But we also know very well We haven't found any bodies yet. 687 00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:31,150 How could these people disappear? Why didn't they show up again? 688 00:43:31,233 --> 00:43:32,860 None of their bodies have been found. 689 00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:36,530 We scratch our heads and wonder "What happened? They disappeared out of thin air. 690 00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:38,532 Never seen again. Where did they go? " 691 00:43:39,158 --> 00:43:42,536 We ask ourselves: “When will this be investigated? What exactly is going on? " 692 00:43:43,704 --> 00:43:45,998 To be honest, we really didn't know at the time 693 00:43:47,124 --> 00:43:49,460 (The disappearance of Robert Pister Investigation enters sixth day) 694 00:43:49,543 --> 00:43:51,545 (December 17, 1978) 695 00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:55,341 What's even more frightening is His lawyer actually went to the federal court 696 00:43:55,424 --> 00:43:59,928 In the case of the State Attorney's Office and the Des Plaines Police Department 697 00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:02,348 Apply for a federal injunction 698 00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:07,811 Leroy Stevens He is a civil litigation lawyer for himself and his company. 699 00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:10,814 They are prepared to invoke federal law 700 00:44:10,898 --> 00:44:13,317 Sue the Des Plaines Police Department 701 00:44:13,984 --> 00:44:17,738 condemn the latter’s stalking behavior Causing trouble to Gacy 702 00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:21,575 causing his business to suffer losses 703 00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:23,535 Even violated his civil rights 704 00:44:24,203 --> 00:44:28,040 The prosecutor at the time was Terry Sullivan Remaining silent on the case 705 00:44:28,123 --> 00:44:31,960 Police have also remained tight-lipped about the investigation. We can't get any information 706 00:44:32,044 --> 00:44:34,880 To know the purpose of their investigation into him The only way is to accuse them 707 00:44:37,925 --> 00:44:41,303 If the injunction is passed, there will be no chance. 708 00:44:41,387 --> 00:44:43,305 We can only retreat 709 00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:45,849 You can't question him or his staff. nothing can be done 710 00:44:45,933 --> 00:44:48,394 Time is of the essence, there is no doubt about it 711 00:44:49,978 --> 00:44:52,064 You have to understand that at that time 712 00:44:52,147 --> 00:44:55,150 Leroy and I firmly believe that Gacy is innocent. 713 00:44:55,234 --> 00:45:00,364 Later Terry Sullivan was finally willing to reveal to me John has a criminal record in Iowa 714 00:45:00,447 --> 00:45:04,076 That is, having committed sodomy I was shocked when I heard that 715 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,538 Who would have thought that the mayor of a constituency in Western Canada 716 00:45:07,621 --> 00:45:10,332 Ever committed sodomy? No one knows about this 717 00:45:10,916 --> 00:45:13,335 (1978 Des Plaines, Illinois) 718 00:45:15,462 --> 00:45:18,090 (1968 Anamosa City, Iowa) 719 00:45:19,508 --> 00:45:23,512 I was sentenced to serve time in Fort Madison, Iowa. 720 00:45:23,595 --> 00:45:24,847 Later the judge decided to change the sentence 721 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:28,392 The reason is that I am a first-time offender and I am not yet 26 years old. 722 00:45:29,268 --> 00:45:31,937 should be sent to the Correctional Facility in Anamosa. 723 00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:34,940 Later I was actually sent to that correctional facility. I was so scared at that time 724 00:45:35,566 --> 00:45:37,192 I repeat, that was the first time I was arrested. 725 00:45:37,276 --> 00:45:39,695 This is also my first time in prison. I know nothing about prison. 726 00:45:39,778 --> 00:45:41,739 I thought I was going to die in there 727 00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:51,123 (Christmas at Anamosa Correctional Facility 1969 News Special) 728 00:45:51,206 --> 00:45:53,542 (WHO TV, Des Plaines) 729 00:45:57,296 --> 00:46:01,383 As a result, I ended up getting involved with the inmates. Also regain confidence 730 00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:04,803 I integrate into that place with a positive attitude 731 00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:10,017 Not only did I become a famous person in prison also become a person of status 732 00:46:12,102 --> 00:46:14,855 Hello everyone, my name is John Gacy. from Waterloo, Iowa 733 00:46:14,938 --> 00:46:18,484 It seems that you are a person of some status here What position do you hold? 734 00:46:18,567 --> 00:46:21,361 I'm the chef in the kitchen 735 00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:26,158 Responsible for preparing breakfast and lunch in the kitchen 736 00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:31,079 In correctional facilities, meals are a gateway to power 737 00:46:31,163 --> 00:46:35,125 This is how I describe it Meal is the gateway to power 738 00:46:35,751 --> 00:46:38,629 John enjoyed using it 739 00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:42,341 People who offend John Gacy 740 00:46:42,424 --> 00:46:45,803 Better to go somewhere else to beg for food 741 00:46:45,886 --> 00:46:50,724 Because this person is going to assume that his next meal will be... 742 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:52,684 I can't find a more appropriate description 743 00:46:52,768 --> 00:46:56,021 His next meal will be a pile of rat shit 744 00:46:56,104 --> 00:46:57,940 Just because he didn't listen to Gacy 745 00:46:59,942 --> 00:47:02,903 I took control of the entire kitchen without the use of force 746 00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:05,614 There were 55 inmates working in the kitchen at that time 747 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,909 But I never give in to others 748 00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:17,334 The Youth Chamber of Commerce is another territory for him 749 00:47:17,417 --> 00:47:19,211 We met through the Youth Chamber of Commerce 750 00:47:19,294 --> 00:47:21,296 One day I was sitting reading 751 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:27,845 He walked up and said, "Hello, I'm John Gacy. Recruiting members for the Youth Chamber of Commerce” 752 00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,848 I had no idea about the Youth Chamber of Commerce at that time 753 00:47:32,057 --> 00:47:35,686 We run the Correctional Facility Youth Chamber of Commerce Chapter after a while 754 00:47:35,769 --> 00:47:39,481 Probably in the second half of 1969 755 00:47:39,565 --> 00:47:41,775 We are part of the history of the Iowa Junior Chamber of Commerce 756 00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:44,403 Write the most beautiful chapter 757 00:47:44,486 --> 00:47:49,241 This is all thanks to John Gacy actively recruits members 758 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,581 I was awarded by Anamosa Correctional Institution Youth of the Year Award 759 00:47:56,248 --> 00:48:00,669 I successfully built it within the confines of the correctional facility The first mini golf course 760 00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:05,257 This is an example of a versatile young man 761 00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:09,386 We can say that in his heart There is a "Good John" and a "Bad John" 762 00:48:09,469 --> 00:48:11,221 I know that "good John" 763 00:48:13,557 --> 00:48:16,393 I saw other sides of him 764 00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:20,731 The weak cannot survive in prison 765 00:48:21,481 --> 00:48:24,318 Either submit to a certain party 766 00:48:24,401 --> 00:48:27,821 Or succumb to other more powerful inmates 767 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:30,866 Everything must be done as the boss says Otherwise you will be beaten severely 768 00:48:30,949 --> 00:48:33,368 I will never bow down to others 769 00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,538 Because I've never been anyone's subordinate 770 00:48:37,372 --> 00:48:42,294 Once he was walking around the south wing where he was staying 771 00:48:42,377 --> 00:48:48,967 Saw a prisoner giving oral sex to another prisoner 772 00:48:49,635 --> 00:48:53,889 He just walked over casually Kicked the prisoner four times in the face 773 00:48:53,972 --> 00:48:55,807 The opponent's jaw was broken by his kick. 774 00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:06,860 He is repressing his desire for the same sex 775 00:49:06,944 --> 00:49:09,863 It seems to me this depressing... 776 00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:14,743 eventually manifested in the form of anger 777 00:49:15,452 --> 00:49:16,995 John How long have you been in the correctional facility? 778 00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:20,457 I've been here for a year and two weeks 779 00:49:20,540 --> 00:49:24,378 Do you mind if I ask how long you plan to live here? 780 00:49:24,461 --> 00:49:27,214 I hope to be released in May 781 00:49:27,297 --> 00:49:32,052 Great. Do you plan to continue working as a chef? 782 00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:34,805 Yeah, I was a chef before I came here. 783 00:49:34,888 --> 00:49:36,974 -ok -Working in the catering industry 784 00:49:39,685 --> 00:49:41,561 It was the Christmas season 785 00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:45,148 We actively participate in the “Giving Toys to Children” campaign 786 00:49:45,232 --> 00:49:49,403 We also actively participate in Preparations for the Youth Chamber of Commerce Christmas Dinner 787 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:51,238 There were a lot of things to deal with at that time 788 00:49:51,738 --> 00:49:53,657 But at that time John's... 789 00:49:54,449 --> 00:49:55,575 John's father passed away 790 00:49:57,869 --> 00:50:00,288 December 18 My dad was admitted to a hospital in Chicago 791 00:50:00,372 --> 00:50:01,790 But no one informed me 792 00:50:01,873 --> 00:50:05,252 My dad passed away on Christmas Day, December 25th 793 00:50:06,253 --> 00:50:09,548 After my father was buried I just found out that my father has passed away. 794 00:50:10,674 --> 00:50:15,178 After John was sentenced to prison for sodomy 795 00:50:15,262 --> 00:50:16,596 His father is still alive 796 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:22,894 He actually had time to reconcile with his father 797 00:50:22,978 --> 00:50:24,396 But he never has this chance again 798 00:50:24,479 --> 00:50:26,314 No more, everything is over 799 00:50:26,398 --> 00:50:30,152 In my impression, after his father passed away He rarely smiles 800 00:50:31,611 --> 00:50:35,532 All I did was prove What my father said was right. I'm a coward. 801 00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:39,494 He's a fool. He's a fool. He's weak and incompetent. 802 00:50:39,578 --> 00:50:43,498 Yes, he got it right on many things. I failed him when he died 803 00:50:46,877 --> 00:50:51,840 Most of the prisoners sentenced to ten years in prison 804 00:50:51,923 --> 00:50:53,925 He was released after serving two years in prison. 805 00:50:54,009 --> 00:50:57,012 But because John and I had accomplished so much in the correctional facility 806 00:50:57,095 --> 00:50:59,639 We were imprisoned for only 18 months was released 807 00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:05,520 We both left in the second week of July 808 00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:09,524 We shook hands and parted ways 809 00:51:10,776 --> 00:51:13,361 (1970 Anamosa City, Iowa) 810 00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:17,908 (1978 Norwood Park, Illinois) 811 00:51:21,411 --> 00:51:23,371 (The disappearance of Robert Pister Investigation enters the eighth day) 812 00:51:23,455 --> 00:51:26,416 Follow John everywhere 813 00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:28,460 The purpose is to break down his psychological defense 814 00:51:28,543 --> 00:51:33,465 In my opinion, no matter how good a law-abiding citizen is, 815 00:51:33,548 --> 00:51:37,094 I don't like being watched by the police either. 816 00:51:37,177 --> 00:51:40,847 Besides, he was followed by the police around the clock for seven days in a row. 817 00:51:42,682 --> 00:51:43,642 As the investigation deepens 818 00:51:43,725 --> 00:51:48,980 The detective started looking for Asking questions from acquaintances and friends who know Gacy 819 00:51:49,064 --> 00:51:52,192 some friends I also began to realize that things were not simple 820 00:51:52,275 --> 00:51:55,112 Only Canada owes us the truth 821 00:51:55,195 --> 00:51:56,988 No one else wants anything to do with him 822 00:51:57,072 --> 00:51:58,907 (Symendale Avenue) 823 00:51:58,990 --> 00:52:04,329 I think John more or less produced The illusion that we are his good friends 824 00:52:05,205 --> 00:52:08,208 We just followed him and didn't feel sorry for him 825 00:52:10,585 --> 00:52:16,925 He invited us into his home several times Want to show his friendly and approachable side 826 00:52:17,008 --> 00:52:18,718 We actually entered his home 827 00:52:20,053 --> 00:52:23,390 We received instructions from Inspector Kosenko 828 00:52:23,473 --> 00:52:28,436 One of the missing teenagers A TV and a radio are missing 829 00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:31,731 John Thicke's mother reveals 830 00:52:31,815 --> 00:52:36,069 A small television set was missing from her son's room. 831 00:52:36,778 --> 00:52:40,490 She described it as a Motorola TV 832 00:52:41,074 --> 00:52:43,869 We think back to when we searched Gacy's home. 833 00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:47,330 I once saw a similar TV 834 00:52:47,414 --> 00:52:51,209 So Bob Schultz excused himself to the bathroom 835 00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:54,754 Take the opportunity to sneak into other rooms in the house and search 836 00:52:54,838 --> 00:52:57,841 My job was to chat with John 837 00:52:57,924 --> 00:53:00,093 Make sure he doesn't go looking for Bob 838 00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:03,430 Bob looked around but couldn't find the TV 839 00:53:03,513 --> 00:53:04,806 So he was in the toilet 840 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:07,392 Flush the toilet like a good citizen 841 00:53:08,101 --> 00:53:10,270 At that moment, the temperature of the toilet started to rise 842 00:53:10,353 --> 00:53:12,731 It was also at that moment that the whole situation turned around. 843 00:53:12,814 --> 00:53:16,401 Because Bob was standing next to the ventilation channel at that time 844 00:53:16,484 --> 00:53:20,322 He smelled something incredible 845 00:53:20,405 --> 00:53:23,700 He immediately thought it was the smell of rotting corpses 846 00:53:23,783 --> 00:53:25,410 He has the right idea 847 00:53:25,493 --> 00:53:29,706 We are senior police detectives Disposed of countless corpses 848 00:53:29,789 --> 00:53:33,210 If he said it was the smell of corpses, he would be right. 849 00:53:34,628 --> 00:53:39,216 Schultz smelled the smell of rotting corpses 850 00:53:39,299 --> 00:53:41,009 That's the smell of corpses 851 00:53:42,552 --> 00:53:45,555 After returning to the police station He told me he smelled the smell of corpses 852 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:50,810 Meanwhile, I'm racking my brains to figure out A way to make him angry 853 00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:54,439 Make him lose control of his emotions and accidentally make a wrong step and reveal the truth 854 00:53:54,522 --> 00:53:56,274 Tell something related to the case 855 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,612 David Crumb is an employee of his company 856 00:54:00,695 --> 00:54:03,323 I suggested calling Kram to the police station for questioning. 857 00:54:03,406 --> 00:54:05,408 "Drag him over here and let's ask him again." 858 00:54:07,285 --> 00:54:08,828 So I asked Klamm to question him. 859 00:54:08,912 --> 00:54:13,333 I asked him: "Have you ever seen Gacy Completely out of control? " 860 00:54:13,416 --> 00:54:16,127 He said: "I've seen it" I asked: "Under what circumstances?" 861 00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:19,547 He said: "One time, Canada When you ask me to dig a hole in the overhead layer" 862 00:54:21,549 --> 00:54:23,426 He said: "I just changed the direction of digging. 863 00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:26,388 I didn't dig vertically, I dug horizontally. 864 00:54:26,471 --> 00:54:29,766 When Jia Xi came over to check, he discovered the direction in which I was digging. 865 00:54:29,849 --> 00:54:33,353 The whole person completely collapsed.” 866 00:54:33,436 --> 00:54:35,563 He curses, gets angry, and yells 867 00:54:35,647 --> 00:54:38,358 He yelled: "Damn it I told you to dig here, not that way! " 868 00:54:39,276 --> 00:54:42,862 this reminds me Our purpose in carrying out this task 869 00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:45,240 That is to find out the whereabouts of these people 870 00:54:45,323 --> 00:54:47,200 Where are they? 871 00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:50,203 So I had an incredible idea I thought to myself: "How is that possible?" 872 00:54:50,287 --> 00:54:51,871 Then we heard another person's confession 873 00:54:51,955 --> 00:54:55,709 So I thought of a possibility: "Is it possible they are buried underground?" 874 00:54:55,792 --> 00:54:58,169 With this idea I have to... 875 00:54:58,253 --> 00:55:03,550 My job is to call Terry Sullivan Issue a second search warrant 876 00:55:04,342 --> 00:55:05,677 This is a very unusual situation 877 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,721 Two search warrants were issued for the same house. 878 00:55:07,804 --> 00:55:10,724 It's incredible But we have to get a second search warrant 879 00:55:10,807 --> 00:55:13,852 "We need a second search warrant" Terry said: "No way" 880 00:55:13,935 --> 00:55:16,146 I said: "You are a lawyer, think of a way!" 881 00:55:17,314 --> 00:55:20,650 We needed evidence in those days. 882 00:55:20,734 --> 00:55:26,031 We have to tie the evidence to Garcia This line cannot be broken 883 00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:33,455 I went home to have something to eat that day Plan to go shopping soon 884 00:55:33,538 --> 00:55:36,374 The phone rang suddenly The police asked me about the whereabouts of the film receipt 885 00:55:38,752 --> 00:55:40,837 the night robert disappeared 886 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,759 I am responsible for sorting out the films that customers take to the pharmacy for development. 887 00:55:45,842 --> 00:55:47,218 (Quick film development service) 888 00:55:47,302 --> 00:55:49,054 I put the photo in the envelope 889 00:55:49,137 --> 00:55:53,016 and put it in a box Waiting for customers to come and collect it 890 00:55:53,099 --> 00:55:54,934 In the meantime, I tore off the receipt 891 00:55:55,018 --> 00:55:59,939 Ready to throw the receipt next to the radio In a small trash can 892 00:56:00,023 --> 00:56:02,859 At that moment, my movements suddenly stopped 893 00:56:03,443 --> 00:56:06,571 I stared at the receipt in my hand That document seems to be staring at me too 894 00:56:06,654 --> 00:56:08,865 I don’t know why, but I grabbed the receipt 895 00:56:08,948 --> 00:56:11,493 Put it in Robert's coat pocket 896 00:56:13,328 --> 00:56:17,165 Fortunately, Kim Bryans took that little slip 897 00:56:17,665 --> 00:56:19,417 Put it in her pocket 898 00:56:19,501 --> 00:56:22,962 She happened to be wearing Robert's coat 899 00:56:23,797 --> 00:56:27,342 Sometimes driven by sixth sense, intuition, etc. 900 00:56:27,425 --> 00:56:30,261 We do something without knowing why 901 00:56:30,345 --> 00:56:31,846 I call it "God's whisper" 902 00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:34,557 Someone is guiding us to do something 903 00:56:36,017 --> 00:56:39,896 Turns out we were in the trash can at John Gacy's house Found the document 904 00:56:39,979 --> 00:56:43,775 That was also the first time we thought of Robert may be trapped in Gacy's house 905 00:56:45,068 --> 00:56:47,779 We'll send the documents to the crime lab 906 00:56:47,862 --> 00:56:50,782 Look at that document 907 00:56:50,865 --> 00:56:53,993 Does it match the envelope of the negative? 908 00:56:54,911 --> 00:56:57,247 The results match 909 00:56:57,330 --> 00:57:00,458 It was literally torn directly from the envelope. 910 00:57:00,542 --> 00:57:03,795 All the small details and tearing angles are still there 911 00:57:03,878 --> 00:57:05,713 perfect match 912 00:57:05,797 --> 00:57:09,259 Of course we are very happy Because it is enough to be used as evidence in court 913 00:57:09,926 --> 00:57:14,389 Kim Bryans' receipt and the smell... 914 00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:17,225 Enough to make Terry nod 915 00:57:17,308 --> 00:57:19,102 So he signed a second search warrant 916 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:21,813 (The disappearance of Robert Pister Investigation enters ninth day) 917 00:57:21,896 --> 00:57:22,897 (December 20, 1978) 918 00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:25,108 This time we put a lot of pressure on John 919 00:57:25,608 --> 00:57:30,697 From John's behavioral reactions We could see that he was feeling that pressure too. 920 00:57:32,323 --> 00:57:34,242 Seeing that the incident is about to come to light 921 00:57:34,325 --> 00:57:36,661 Seeing that paper can no longer cover the fire 922 00:57:37,203 --> 00:57:39,581 His cat-and-mouse scene can no longer be played. 923 00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:44,794 We started to realize something wasn't quite right about him. 924 00:57:44,878 --> 00:57:45,837 Finally he lost control 925 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,174 He's finally starting to act a little weird 926 00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:00,101 John Gacy called me want to see us 927 00:58:00,185 --> 00:58:02,729 He said he had new information 928 00:58:02,812 --> 00:58:05,440 Want to tell me and Leroy Stevens 929 00:58:05,523 --> 00:58:08,109 I told him: "If it's new information, that's fine. 930 00:58:08,193 --> 00:58:11,196 I don’t want to hear what you say anymore.” 931 00:58:11,905 --> 00:58:14,282 Under reason 932 00:58:14,365 --> 00:58:17,994 I told Sam about the police harassment of company employees 933 00:58:18,077 --> 00:58:19,162 The police didn't harass me 934 00:58:20,205 --> 00:58:23,917 But why are they harassing my staff? 935 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,793 Why should I defend them? 936 00:58:25,877 --> 00:58:30,298 Am I worried they will reveal What have I done? 937 00:58:32,008 --> 00:58:33,927 He came to me and said the same thing. 938 00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:36,179 Yaguchi denies that he has anything to do with the missing teenagers 939 00:58:36,262 --> 00:58:38,640 At that moment I no longer believed him, really 940 00:58:39,682 --> 00:58:41,601 There is one on my desk Photos by Robert Pister 941 00:58:41,684 --> 00:58:46,731 That photo was published in On the front page of the local edition of the Daily Herald 942 00:58:47,315 --> 00:58:52,111 I started to slap the table and curse: "Gathy, look, John, look for yourself" 943 00:58:52,195 --> 00:58:54,906 This kid is missing and the police think it's you. 944 00:58:54,989 --> 00:58:56,658 Stop lying to me! " 945 00:58:56,741 --> 00:58:58,868 In this tone, I slapped the table and cursed 946 00:58:58,952 --> 00:59:02,914 he seemed embarrassed So he asked, "Is there any wine here?" 947 00:59:04,916 --> 00:59:09,295 I gave it to myself, Gacy and Stevens respectively. Pour some wine 948 00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:11,297 We each had a drink 949 00:59:11,381 --> 00:59:13,466 Gacy said: "Give me another drink" 950 00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:15,009 So I gave him another drink 951 00:59:15,718 --> 00:59:17,971 He drank the glass of wine in one gulp 952 00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:20,890 Then he stared at Robert Pister's picture and said 953 00:59:21,641 --> 00:59:24,435 "This child is dead" Just such a simple sentence 954 00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:25,853 my heart… 955 00:59:25,937 --> 00:59:28,314 My heart starts to beat thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump 956 00:59:28,398 --> 00:59:29,607 That moment… 957 00:59:29,691 --> 00:59:32,068 I thought to myself: “What? What the hell is going on? " 958 00:59:32,151 --> 00:59:36,030 Leroy and I just sat there and listened. Then he said... 959 00:59:36,114 --> 00:59:40,076 “I’ve been a lot of people’s judge, jury and executioner 960 00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:43,288 Now I want to be my own judge, jury and executioner 961 00:59:43,371 --> 00:59:45,456 I'm going to tell you the whole story." 962 00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:01,556 That night I suddenly aged many years 963 01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:04,767 Whether as a lawyer or as a human being 964 01:00:05,393 --> 01:00:08,146 That was the most thrilling night in my life 965 01:00:08,229 --> 01:00:11,065 the whole night My heart almost beats out of my chest 966 01:00:11,149 --> 01:00:13,776 Smoking one cigarette after another 967 01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:14,819 Leroy smokes too 968 01:00:14,902 --> 01:00:18,740 Once he lit his cigarette backwards and held the cigarette wick in his mouth 969 01:00:18,823 --> 01:00:20,658 After Gacy told us the truth, 970 01:00:22,785 --> 01:00:23,745 Just fell asleep 971 01:00:25,246 --> 01:00:27,165 I don't quite remember what happened 972 01:00:27,248 --> 01:00:29,000 I just remember going to Sam's office 973 01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:31,794 I'm going to Sam's office Not to tell him the truth 974 01:00:31,878 --> 01:00:33,546 After I arrived at the office 975 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,469 Someone clearly dominated the conversation So the topic changed 976 01:00:40,261 --> 01:00:42,430 I was a young lawyer at the time I want to be in a panic 977 01:00:42,513 --> 01:00:44,098 Handle the case professionally and ethically 978 01:00:44,182 --> 01:00:45,475 I was only 30 years old that year 979 01:00:45,558 --> 01:00:47,560 Leroy and I have to come up with a plan 980 01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:50,772 The best option would be to take him to a psychiatrist Tell him to plead guilty 981 01:00:50,855 --> 01:00:53,232 Think again about what you can do with this person 982 01:00:53,316 --> 01:00:57,320 So we contacted each other that night a psychiatrist 983 01:00:57,403 --> 01:00:59,781 Make an appointment to see him at 8 or 9 o'clock the next morning 984 01:01:01,991 --> 01:01:04,077 That night my partner and I were on surveillance duty 985 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,831 It's Sam Amirante, the lawyer representing Western Canada. Opening of office in Park Ridge 986 01:01:08,915 --> 01:01:11,542 I just arrived at the building 987 01:01:12,043 --> 01:01:15,171 Sam Amirante and another lawyer Leroy Stevens 988 01:01:15,254 --> 01:01:17,173 Just walk out of the office 989 01:01:17,256 --> 01:01:20,677 They were standing in the lobby of the building 990 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:21,969 invite us in 991 01:01:22,053 --> 01:01:24,347 They were very friendly towards us 992 01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:27,141 “Would you like a bottle of wine? Do you want something to eat? 993 01:01:27,225 --> 01:01:29,018 Just say whatever you want and we'll get it 994 01:01:29,102 --> 01:01:30,645 Anyway, you can't let Gacy go. 995 01:01:30,728 --> 01:01:33,439 if he tries to leave You must shoot and blow off his wheels 996 01:01:33,523 --> 01:01:35,775 Anyway, don’t let him leave. Don’t let him leave.” 997 01:01:35,858 --> 01:01:39,320 我们听了说：“萨姆 We can't just shoot and blow up other people's wheels 998 01:01:39,404 --> 01:01:42,949 unless there is some reason Otherwise, there is no need to take such drastic actions.” 999 01:01:43,032 --> 01:01:44,242 “你们能做什么就做什么 1000 01:01:44,325 --> 01:01:46,828 我暂时不能告诉你们原因 Anyway, you can’t let him leave.” 1001 01:01:49,205 --> 01:01:51,874 It was just dawn at 6 o'clock that morning 1002 01:01:52,834 --> 01:01:56,254 Gacy wakes up He asked: "Why am I here? 1003 01:01:56,337 --> 01:02:00,466 I have something to do. I have to go somewhere else. I’m very busy” 1004 01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:03,594 我说：“约翰 你把真相都告诉我了 你整晚都待在事务所里 1005 01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:06,139 Leroy and I were both there. 你把真相一五一十都说了” 1006 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:09,475 "I don't have time to talk about these things 我要去其他地方 我有其他事要忙 1007 01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:10,393 I'm leaving" 1008 01:02:11,352 --> 01:02:12,186 He turned and left 1009 01:03:12,747 --> 01:03:17,752 Subtitle translation: Zhang Qingling