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My entire life
became NXIVM-related.
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I was taking so many courses.
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[Raniere] It is a vision.
It is an understanding.
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Our intent is to make
a better world.
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[cheers and applause]
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[menacing electronic music]
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He was this great philosopher.
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I felt like I will die
for Keith.
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[woman] Hi.
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They said, "Keith...
he's a renunciate."
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You know, "He's like a monk.
He doesn't have sex."
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If I had an issue
with any one of their rituals,
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they accused me
of being defiant.
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That, to me, was like a...
a giant red flag.
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People bond through pain.
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[India] Allison pulled me aside
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and told me about DOS,
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this secret society of women
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in which she would be my master
and I would be a slave.
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It was a lifetime vow
of obedience.
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Every woman needs this.
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[India] Allison said,
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"Your assignment
is to seduce Keith."
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[menacing electronic music]
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♪ ♪
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It's strange to think
who lives in these houses now.
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I stand out here, and I...
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...just think of, like,
the years that I spent here.
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Part of me thinks
I really wish
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that I would have taken
another path.
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Like, I wonder what my life
would have been like
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if I had
just stayed in college...
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...pursued a career,
had a boyfriend,
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things like that,
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but then I also...
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...wonder if, like,
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in some strange way,
I needed to do this,
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like maybe I needed
to know these things.
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[somber music]
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♪ ♪
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Maybe I would have always been
very sheltered
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from this kind of stuff
if I had never experienced it.
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Maybe it would happen later,
or, like, maybe to my daughter.
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I don't know.
It's hard to say.
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Like, maybe things happen
for a reason.
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In February 2016,
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I had been
in NXIVM for five years,
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and I had been in DOS
for a couple months.
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I was living in Los Angeles,
working as a coach,
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but I was going
to Albany constantly
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to take more classes.
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I was in Albany
when Allison told me
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that I had to seduce Keith.
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It kind of sh... just put me
into a state of shock.
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She told me, basically,
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I would be having
some encounter with Keith
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where I would feel
vulnerable and rejected.
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She said that pushing
past my comfort zone
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would make me stronger
and more capable
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in all areas of my life.
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I believed that Keith
didn't even have sex,
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so I didn't assume that
I had to have sex with him.
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I didn't think that that
was gonna happen then.
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I didn't think
that was going to happen ever.
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[woman] The seduction
assignment
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had different variations.
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These women who
are already collateralized
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were tasked by their masters,
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by another woman,
with seducing Keith Raniere.
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Everyone's assignment
wasn't the same,
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but the end game was the same:
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some sort of sexual contact
with Keith Raniere.
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[India] Allison told me
that I needed to have Keith
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take a naked picture of me
and send it to her
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as proof that
the assignment was completed.
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[disquieting music]
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♪ ♪
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This was Allison Mack's
townhouse,
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and this is where
Keith picked me up.
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He drove me
to the next set of buildings.
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It's so close.
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We walked in.
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I tried to make small talk
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to just kind of calm
my nerves.
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He talked to me
about what I wanted
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and how he could help me.
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I just tried to get
the assignment done.
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I asked him to take
a naked picture of me.
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I kind of, like,
blurted it out nervously.
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I remember him standing
there and staring at me.
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I felt embarrassed
and uncomfortable.
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I didn't feel
like I had a choice.
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I just wanted
to get it over with.
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So I took off my clothes,
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and I sat
on the edge of the bed,
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and I just sort of leaned back,
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and he took a picture of me
like that
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and sent it to Allison.
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I felt like I was
in some kind of altered state.
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I did feel like it was weird,
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but this was a practice for me
to push against my fears.
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I thought that this was
gonna help me.
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Then Keith said that he was
Allison's master
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and my grandmaster.
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And I thought,
what the hell does that mean?
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[Cangro] The way
that DOS worked was
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a pyramid structure,
basically,
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and the person that was
actually the puppet master
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of this entire thing
was Keith Raniere.
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Next Saturday, we will have
a larger group,
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and we will start doing
enslavement... um,
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exercises amongst people.
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So any... no more questions?
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Shop.
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Tomorrow, we need
to get together.
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Yes. Sure.
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[menacing electronic music]
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[Hassan] Keith Raniere,
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like many other
destructive cult leaders,
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used women as an extension
of his needs
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for power and control,
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and it all comes out
of a malignant,
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narcissistic self
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that's incredibly insecure.
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They're acting out
their insecurities
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on everybody else.
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[Allison whispers]
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Yes, when do you want to talk?
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Whenever...
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When are you available?
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Now.
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- You're free right now?
- I'm free right now.
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Right now, what else...
when else?
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I don't have anything else
going on tonight.
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How late are you up?
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As late as I need to be.
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Allison told me I would have
to stop going back and forth
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between LA and Albany.
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It wasn't really
much of a decision.
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It was more like a command.
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[Ross] Keith Raniere's
most devoted members
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would move to Albany
and live near him.
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That was pivotal in making
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a really intense commitment
to NXIVM.
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[Lalich] If you drove through
the area of Clifton Park
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where Keith and many
of his followers lived,
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you would think you were in
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just some nice
suburban neighborhood,
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but the cult could be
right next door.
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And that's a form
of the control.
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If you do something
against the rules,
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someone has surely seen you,
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and they're gonna report
on you.
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So it sets up
a very tight structure
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for people to be living in.
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I remember the day
that India told me
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she was moving to Albany
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like it was yesterday.
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She was so excited,
it broke my heart.
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She said Keith
was gonna mentor her
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in this business
that he was giving her, and...
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everything just felt wrong
about it,
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but she was 24 years old.
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There was nothing
that I could do to say,
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"No, you can't go."
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It was all of them on her.
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I had zero influence,
basically.
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She let go of
all her furniture.
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She let go of her apartment.
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It was literally like
she was leaving the planet.
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I just felt, like,
this wellspring of despair.
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[melancholy music]
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I had no idea that the worst
was about to happen.
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[India] I moved to Clifton Park
in the spring of 2016,
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and I actually lived
with Allison in her townhouse.
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I paid her for rent
occasionally,
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but most of what I did
was take care of her home,
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kept it clean,
cooked for her,
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managed anything
that she needed.
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And I became more integrated
into Allison's life
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and the community.
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My life became
very much like her life.
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It was all about having
this rigorous lifestyle.
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I was taking classes
as a student
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and working in others
as a coach,
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but I hadn't gotten to a rank
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where I could be paid
for any of the coaching.
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Allison kept me very busy
with these so-called goals.
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I had to be accountable
to achieving these goals,
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and there were consequences
if I didn't.
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In the beginning, it was
sort of the punishment
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of disappointing her.
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Like, I would forget to say
"Good night, master."
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She would send me a sad face,
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and it was like
little tiny disapprovals.
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Later, the punishments
got more severe.
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I had to do planks,
ice cold showers,
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standing in the snow
at 3:00 a.m.
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You had to be okay with it.
It was part of the program.
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[shoes squeaking]
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This is The Sports Barn,
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where Keith
and other community members
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would play volleyball
a couple times a week.
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It was, uh,
late night volleyball games.
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Allison was always pressuring
us to show up and watch Keith
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because there was some kind
of competitive nature
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between her
and the first-line DOS slaves,
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and having us be there meant
that she was the most devoted,
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the most committed.
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[onlookers cheering]
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I wanted Allison and...
and Keith to be happy with me,
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and so I made it a point to try
to come as much as I could.
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Keith started paying
more attention to me.
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It started with us
just walking
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around Clifton Park
and talking.
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[Vicente] You know,
I asked him once,
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"How do you come up
with some of these things?"
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He says, "Yeah, I walk a lot,"
and I go, "What do you mean?"
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He says, "Well, I walk
and I walk and I walk.
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And I said, "When?"
And he says, "I walk at night,"
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you know,
and then I found out recently,
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he sometimes walks, like,
the whole night,
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and he problem-solves,
and he thinks and he thinks
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and he thinks.
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[India] Sometimes he would talk
about philosophical concepts.
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We would also talk about
being dyslexic,
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'cause apparently
he was dyslexic too.
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So we would kind of bond
and connect over that.
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[Raniere] So what would have
been most meaningful,
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deep surrendering,
focusing, for you?
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[India] The seduction
assignment was behind me,
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and I never thought
anything like that
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was gonna happen again.
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I thought that Keith
was gonna mentor me
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on building a new business,
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so we would walk and talk
about that
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and achieving
my goals and dreams.
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[Raniere] Do you know
what your strengths are
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and what your weaknesses are?
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[India] I felt like
when I was with him,
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all his attention was on me,
and that felt really good.
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♪ ♪
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[Ross] Raniere used these walks
as a way of controlling
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and manipulating the women.
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They would confide in him,
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and he would pry things
out of them.
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[India] Keith was like
a charismatic friend,
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like someone
who just listens to you,
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and you feel engaged
with them,
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and I felt like I could
share anything with him.
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He was someone
that I really trusted.
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Allison instructed me to take
a picture in my underwear
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and send it to Keith.
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He decided that I had
to be 106 pounds.
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I couldn't remember the last
time I weighed 106 pounds.
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I thought maybe when I was 12.
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Allison said I could only eat
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500 calories or less per day.
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Half a cup, 90 calories.
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And then
before eating anything,
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I had to ask permission,
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so, "Master, may I please
have 90 calories?"
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It was supposed to be
a practice in discipline
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and self-restraint.
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My entire day was
about how much I could eat,
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how little I could eat,
how hungry I was.
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And I had no time to think
about anything else.
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...Seven, eight.
A hundred calories.
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[Hassan] Control of sleep,
control of food,
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control of access
to information.
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What is being done to you
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is actually
a mind control regime
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to reprogram your beliefs
and to foster obedience.
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[India] I was also sleeping
very little
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and having to exercise
on top of it,
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and I would always reach out
to Allison.
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I would be like, "Oh,
I'm feeling really hungry."
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Like, "My stomach hurts,"
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or "Feeling really tired."
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And she would just
kind of, like, text, like,
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"You said that you were
committed to this weight goal.
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What is it gonna feel like
if you break your word?"
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[Kelly] At the time,
I didn't know about DOS,
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but when I was taking
some classes in Albany,
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I noticed that Allison
and many of the women there
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were losing weight
like crazy,
305
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and they were putting food
either on their hand
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or on a plate
and taking pictures,
307
00:13:57,971 --> 00:13:59,306
and I thought
that was really odd,
308
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and I said, "Why are you
taking pictures of your food?"
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"Oh, I just wanna keep track."
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[disquieting synth music]
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[India] It was
basically starvation.
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We were being
deprived of calories
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we needed to function.
314
00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:13,153
After a few months,
my hair started falling out.
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00:14:13,186 --> 00:14:16,423
I talked to Clare,
Nancy, and Allison
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because I wasn't getting
a period.
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They were telling me that
similar things
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00:14:20,493 --> 00:14:21,628
happened to them
319
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when they were on diets.
320
00:14:23,563 --> 00:14:25,932
Allison didn't have her period
for ten years.
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♪ ♪
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I trusted them.
They were my authority figures.
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Keith wanted to advise
and instruct people
324
00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:37,477
to do
what he wanted them to do,
325
00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:41,014
but really, it was more
about his sexual interest
326
00:14:41,047 --> 00:14:43,917
and his personal desires
to have women be thin.
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♪ ♪
328
00:14:49,089 --> 00:14:52,092
What did DOS even look like
to you from the outside?
329
00:14:52,125 --> 00:14:54,127
What did you think
was going on?
330
00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,630
-Like...
-I just remember in Albany,
331
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when I was there in the center,
332
00:14:58,265 --> 00:14:59,432
I could tell
you weren't eating.
333
00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:01,368
I could see it in your hair,
in your face.
334
00:15:01,401 --> 00:15:04,938
As a mom, and my kids
being around your age...
335
00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:06,906
...I wanted to call your mom.
336
00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,476
I wanted to call some adult
in your family
337
00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:14,147
to tell them that-
that something wasn't right.
338
00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:17,217
I sat down with you,
and I'm like, "Are you okay?"
339
00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:19,519
And then someone came up.
She's like, "She's fine.
340
00:15:19,552 --> 00:15:21,655
She's just fine.
She is fine."
341
00:15:21,688 --> 00:15:23,490
-And I was like, "Okay, okay."
-Jeez.
342
00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:25,925
I, like, didn't even realize
that all of that
343
00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:27,127
was going on around me.
344
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I feel bad for not pushing.
345
00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:33,600
[India] I know.
I can...
346
00:15:33,633 --> 00:15:35,302
I mean, I didn't do anything,
347
00:15:35,335 --> 00:15:38,204
but what I didn't do
is what I feel bad about.
348
00:15:38,238 --> 00:15:41,341
I wonder if I would've
even heard it or listened.
349
00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:43,109
-I just don't know.
-Oh, yeah.
350
00:15:43,143 --> 00:15:45,645
I could have made it
more of an issue,
351
00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,248
although it would
have been shut down.
352
00:15:48,281 --> 00:15:50,450
I think I could have,
353
00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:52,118
and I'm sorry I didn't.
354
00:15:52,152 --> 00:15:54,187
I'm sorry.
I know.
355
00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:55,555
-[India] That's okay.
-I know, I know.
356
00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:56,690
I know it's not.
357
00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:59,693
[somber music]
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00:15:59,726 --> 00:16:01,995
♪ ♪
359
00:16:02,028 --> 00:16:04,297
[India] I had been living
with Allison and in DOS
360
00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:05,699
for several months,
361
00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:09,669
and I thought that this was
just me and Allison,
362
00:16:09,703 --> 00:16:14,341
and then she revealed to me
that she had other slaves,
363
00:16:14,374 --> 00:16:16,209
and that I would get
to meet them.
364
00:16:16,242 --> 00:16:19,713
She described it like
they would be my sisters,
365
00:16:19,746 --> 00:16:22,482
like we were
in this sorority together.
366
00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:24,017
♪ ♪
367
00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:26,686
There were three other women
in Allison's pod.
368
00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,223
Dr. Danielle Roberts
was an osteopath.
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00:16:30,256 --> 00:16:32,025
[Porter] You're, like,
the first doctor
370
00:16:32,058 --> 00:16:34,027
that I've enrolled,
371
00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:36,196
and it's like, "Holy moly.
And now you're a coach."
372
00:16:36,229 --> 00:16:38,498
[India] She was a coach
in NXIVM...
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00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:40,100
And exhale.
374
00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:42,702
[India] ...and she ran
a fitness and health program
375
00:16:42,736 --> 00:16:45,171
that Keith created
called Exo/Eso.
376
00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:49,776
Michele was a coach
from New York City,
377
00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,444
and so was Nicole.
378
00:16:52,212 --> 00:16:54,414
She was pretty new to NXIVM.
379
00:16:54,447 --> 00:16:57,751
I felt instantly bonded
to her.
380
00:16:57,784 --> 00:16:59,386
When we were
then given permission
381
00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:00,687
to really speak to each other,
382
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,155
it was such a relief,
383
00:17:02,188 --> 00:17:04,624
because it felt like a layer
384
00:17:04,657 --> 00:17:07,527
of the burden of secrecy
had been lifted.
385
00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,063
Like, I finally felt
like I had friends
386
00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:11,331
that I could talk to.
387
00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:14,200
♪ ♪
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00:17:14,234 --> 00:17:15,635
[Mack] There's a magnificence
to women
389
00:17:15,668 --> 00:17:17,670
that is totally untapped.
390
00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:20,740
It's that essence,
that something,
391
00:17:20,774 --> 00:17:22,776
that each woman carries
with her
392
00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:25,245
that makes her unique.
393
00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:26,479
[man] There was a...
394
00:17:26,513 --> 00:17:28,515
a pernicious fly
in the beginning.
395
00:17:28,548 --> 00:17:29,783
Pernicious lie?
Which is...
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00:17:29,816 --> 00:17:31,584
-[man] No, a fly.
-Ah, damn.
397
00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:33,086
Damn, damn.
398
00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,356
I was like, "A lie, okay.
That's possible, I do that."
399
00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:39,559
[India] Sometimes, Allison
would be totally fun
400
00:17:39,592 --> 00:17:41,327
and like, playful,
401
00:17:41,361 --> 00:17:44,197
and then other times,
she would be like a viper
402
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:46,065
and just sort of berate you,
403
00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:49,436
and you didn't really know
what to expect.
404
00:17:49,469 --> 00:17:52,439
[low electronic music]
405
00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:53,807
♪ ♪
406
00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,509
[woman] I remember seeing
Allison in the community.
407
00:17:56,543 --> 00:17:59,846
She just always seemed
so exuberantly happy.
408
00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,782
It's almost like she was always
on stage, performing.
409
00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:07,854
I'm an actress.
That's what I've always done.
410
00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,389
Actually, it's more
than what I've done.
411
00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:11,157
It's who
I considered myself to be.
412
00:18:11,191 --> 00:18:13,359
It's what I identified myself as.
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00:18:13,393 --> 00:18:16,429
[India] I think that Allison
was most comfortable
414
00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:18,231
when she had a role.
415
00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:19,833
From the time
she was three years old,
416
00:18:19,866 --> 00:18:22,368
she was a working actress.
417
00:18:22,402 --> 00:18:25,371
And I think that Keith
probably saw that
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00:18:25,405 --> 00:18:27,273
and gave her this role...
419
00:18:27,307 --> 00:18:29,509
-[Tabby] Yeah.
-...and she flew with it.
420
00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:31,878
How was Allison with you
when you were in NXIVM?
421
00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:34,681
Allison definitely
treated me poorly,
422
00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:36,749
just constant,
putting me in my place.
423
00:18:36,783 --> 00:18:38,585
-Like a power play.
-[Tabby] Yeah.
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00:18:38,618 --> 00:18:40,553
She even told me many times
425
00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:43,490
that she actually liked
the role of master,
426
00:18:43,523 --> 00:18:45,558
and she...
she would transform.
427
00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:47,193
Like, she would take that on,
428
00:18:47,227 --> 00:18:48,828
and she would become
a different person.
429
00:18:48,862 --> 00:18:50,396
[woman] Okay, let's go.
430
00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:52,298
Okay.
431
00:18:52,332 --> 00:18:54,801
From my vantage point,
in my experience,
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00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:57,570
Allison seemed to struggle
with authenticity,
433
00:18:57,604 --> 00:18:59,405
and I think
she completely lost touch
434
00:18:59,439 --> 00:19:02,475
with who she was
outside of being a performer,
435
00:19:02,509 --> 00:19:04,410
and Keith took advantage
of that.
436
00:19:05,378 --> 00:19:08,748
How far do you allow yourself
to go into a character?
437
00:19:08,781 --> 00:19:12,719
And with the worry that,
"Oh, my God, that's really me."
438
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,921
Yes, it is really you.
439
00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:16,923
I can't do it.
440
00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,225
No, I'm sorry, I can't.
I just can't...
441
00:19:19,259 --> 00:19:20,894
[woman] He took probably
the most malleable person
442
00:19:20,927 --> 00:19:23,162
to push
to very extreme lengths.
443
00:19:23,663 --> 00:19:24,898
She not only made India,
444
00:19:24,931 --> 00:19:27,767
but other women,
into commodities for Keith.
445
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,904
[singers vocalizing]
446
00:19:30,937 --> 00:19:34,207
I'm only flesh and blood.
447
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,243
♪ ♪
448
00:19:38,811 --> 00:19:41,648
But I can be anything
that you demand.
449
00:19:41,681 --> 00:19:44,250
[India] V-Week 2016
450
00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:47,287
was the first V-Week
since I had joined DOS,
451
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,757
and you could tell
that Allison
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00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:53,259
really wanted to please Keith.
453
00:19:53,293 --> 00:19:56,296
♪ ♪
454
00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:00,533
♪ More than you'll ever know ♪
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00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:02,735
[India] I remember
sitting in the audience
456
00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:04,337
and I knew that for her,
457
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:06,472
it was as if she was singing
a love letter to him,
458
00:20:06,506 --> 00:20:08,308
but that no one else
would know,
459
00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:09,976
and they would think it was
just a song.
460
00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:12,278
No one within the community
461
00:20:12,312 --> 00:20:13,880
was supposed to know
about DOS.
462
00:20:13,913 --> 00:20:16,449
It was a secret.
463
00:20:19,285 --> 00:20:21,588
In the fall of 2016,
464
00:20:21,621 --> 00:20:23,489
Allison took the pod
465
00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:26,826
to the Berkshires
in Massachusetts.
466
00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:31,264
It was Danielle Roberts,
Michele, Nicole, and myself,
467
00:20:31,297 --> 00:20:33,700
Allison called it
a bonding trip.
468
00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:35,868
We would just get
to spend time together.
469
00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:38,404
We would hang out,
we'd take walks,
470
00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:42,842
maybe do a little bit
of DOS-related studying.
471
00:20:42,875 --> 00:20:44,611
We actually had a nice day.
472
00:20:44,644 --> 00:20:46,245
[electronic music]
473
00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:48,848
After dinner,
Allison sat us down
474
00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:51,384
and told us that the trip
was not just for fun.
475
00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:54,387
♪ ♪
476
00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:57,590
Allison instructed us to take
477
00:20:57,624 --> 00:21:00,360
what she referred to
as a family picture,
478
00:21:00,393 --> 00:21:03,830
which meant all of us girls
standing together fully naked
479
00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:05,565
while Allison took a picture.
480
00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:07,000
♪ ♪
481
00:21:07,033 --> 00:21:09,769
Allison then sent the photo
to Keith,
482
00:21:09,802 --> 00:21:11,604
and I saw his response.
483
00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:13,840
♪ ♪
484
00:21:13,873 --> 00:21:17,010
Nicole saw the text,
and she was furious,
485
00:21:17,043 --> 00:21:18,611
and she said to Allison,
486
00:21:18,645 --> 00:21:19,812
"If they're supposed
to be for us,
487
00:21:19,846 --> 00:21:21,881
"like, why is Keith
even getting these texts,
488
00:21:21,914 --> 00:21:24,751
"and why is he sending
a devil face emoji
489
00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:26,653
if he's supposed
to be so holy?"
490
00:21:26,686 --> 00:21:29,922
She asked Allison
if he was getting off on them.
491
00:21:29,956 --> 00:21:32,392
Allison then defended herself,
492
00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:35,828
"How dare you accuse me of
something perverted like that?
493
00:21:35,862 --> 00:21:38,498
"He's not getting aroused
by these pictures.
494
00:21:38,531 --> 00:21:40,533
"This is your problem
and your projection
495
00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:43,002
"that you think
that he would actually think
496
00:21:43,036 --> 00:21:44,437
or feel like that."
497
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:46,806
Like, she got
totally reprimanded,
498
00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:49,842
and myself and the other girls
were kind of paralyzed.
499
00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:52,812
Like, we didn't know
what to do or how to respond.
500
00:21:52,845 --> 00:21:54,380
♪ ♪
501
00:21:54,414 --> 00:21:56,082
Allison was angry,
502
00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:58,317
and she said,
"As a punishment,
503
00:21:58,351 --> 00:22:00,019
"I'm gonna take
up-close pictures
504
00:22:00,053 --> 00:22:01,587
of your pussies."
505
00:22:02,989 --> 00:22:07,060
So I took off all my clothes
again and stood in line...
506
00:22:08,528 --> 00:22:10,329
...and we just went
one by one.
507
00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:13,332
♪ ♪
508
00:22:13,366 --> 00:22:15,902
And Allison said to Nicole,
509
00:22:15,935 --> 00:22:17,770
"Are you still throwing
a fit over this?"
510
00:22:17,804 --> 00:22:19,939
♪ ♪
511
00:22:19,972 --> 00:22:24,677
I was really uncomfortable,
and I was sort of frozen,
512
00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:27,380
but I just wanted
to get it over with,
513
00:22:27,413 --> 00:22:29,849
and I didn't want her to think
that I was being defiant,
514
00:22:29,882 --> 00:22:31,651
so I just shut up.
515
00:22:32,985 --> 00:22:35,621
You really don't know
how you're gonna behave
516
00:22:35,655 --> 00:22:37,990
or act
in a situation like that.
517
00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:40,393
You want to think that
you're gonna be brave
518
00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:43,663
and stand up against
whatever injustice is going on.
519
00:22:45,098 --> 00:22:47,967
But at the time, I couldn't.
520
00:22:51,771 --> 00:22:54,540
[Lalich] You're living in
a world of fear, essentially,
521
00:22:54,574 --> 00:22:57,744
and so it's very difficult
to say no
522
00:22:57,777 --> 00:23:00,146
or be any kind
of oppositional force.
523
00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:02,849
If you're doubting
or you're standing up,
524
00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:05,585
it just shows how much
more discipline you need.
525
00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:10,757
[India] We were instructed
by Allison
526
00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:12,625
to give monthly collateral,
527
00:23:12,658 --> 00:23:14,861
and if we missed the deadline,
528
00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:16,496
we would have consequences.
529
00:23:16,529 --> 00:23:17,864
♪ ♪
530
00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:20,433
There came a point
where we didn't even know
531
00:23:20,466 --> 00:23:22,635
what to submit
as collateral anymore,
532
00:23:22,668 --> 00:23:23,870
so Allison
533
00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:25,872
or the higher-ranking members
of DOS
534
00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:28,674
would just tell us to just
make shit up and send it.
535
00:23:29,542 --> 00:23:32,745
For instance, you might have
to make a video
536
00:23:32,779 --> 00:23:35,648
accusing your father
of molesting you,
537
00:23:35,681 --> 00:23:37,483
even if it wasn't real.
538
00:23:38,184 --> 00:23:40,419
It was often worse,
539
00:23:40,453 --> 00:23:42,755
because it could be
even more damaging
540
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:45,124
than the things
that you said that were real.
541
00:23:46,058 --> 00:23:49,428
So a lot of us started
to just send
542
00:23:49,462 --> 00:23:50,797
more and more explicit
photographs
543
00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:53,933
because the burden
kind of fell on you.
544
00:23:53,966 --> 00:23:56,202
It didn't compromise
anyone else.
545
00:23:56,969 --> 00:23:58,938
[Lalich] Turning over
this collateral...
546
00:23:58,971 --> 00:24:00,840
well, that would make it
really hard to leave
547
00:24:00,873 --> 00:24:02,141
or really hard to say no.
548
00:24:02,175 --> 00:24:04,510
Collateral was demanded,
549
00:24:04,544 --> 00:24:06,445
and it was held
over people's heads.
550
00:24:06,479 --> 00:24:09,582
So it was an absolute threat
that people lived under.
551
00:24:09,615 --> 00:24:11,584
It was purely
a blackmail situation.
552
00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:13,786
I mean, you can hardly call
that free will.
553
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,089
[India] It was like
the compounded amount
554
00:24:17,123 --> 00:24:19,058
of collateral
that you were giving
555
00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:21,627
and had behind you.
556
00:24:21,661 --> 00:24:22,762
It was the credit card,
the photos,
557
00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:23,996
the videos, the recordings,
558
00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:27,633
the demeaning messages
about your loved ones.
559
00:24:27,667 --> 00:24:30,236
It was everything
that was always with you,
560
00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:33,840
I feel, like, on top of me
all the time.
561
00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:35,474
Of course you're not
gonna do anything wrong.
562
00:24:35,508 --> 00:24:38,845
Of course you're not gonna
want to mess up anything.
563
00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:45,017
I would get random texts
from Keith
564
00:24:45,051 --> 00:24:46,819
all hours of the day.
565
00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:51,891
He started to demand
explicit photographs,
566
00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:55,895
mostly up-close pictures
of my vagina.
567
00:24:55,928 --> 00:24:58,865
[uneasy music]
568
00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:00,533
The first time this happened,
569
00:25:00,566 --> 00:25:02,835
I said to him, "Well,
I'm in the car," and he said,
570
00:25:02,869 --> 00:25:04,670
"Well, find a place
to pull over.
571
00:25:04,704 --> 00:25:05,805
Do it now."
572
00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:07,907
If the picture wasn't explicit
573
00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:09,675
or close up enough,
574
00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:11,177
or I didn't look happy,
575
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:13,713
he would make me
do it over again
576
00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:15,715
until he said
it was good enough.
577
00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:18,184
♪ ♪
578
00:25:18,217 --> 00:25:20,052
I was very uncomfortable
with the fact
579
00:25:20,086 --> 00:25:23,823
that he was asking me
for these explicit photographs,
580
00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:27,760
but Keith told me that sending
these pictures was a practice
581
00:25:27,793 --> 00:25:30,963
in pushing myself
out of my comfort zone.
582
00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:35,234
So if you're comfortable,
you're not pushing.
583
00:25:35,268 --> 00:25:37,970
So if you're uncomfortable,
maybe you're doing it right.
584
00:25:42,141 --> 00:25:44,677
[Lalich] Even though this
is incomprehensible to us
585
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:45,811
on the outside,
586
00:25:45,845 --> 00:25:48,848
we have to remember
that these women
587
00:25:48,881 --> 00:25:51,250
were in a very closed reality,
588
00:25:51,284 --> 00:25:53,986
and everything around them,
589
00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:57,790
every input, was reinforcing
this one belief:
590
00:25:57,823 --> 00:25:59,725
do everything to make
Keith happy.
591
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,328
So even doing
something shocking,
592
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,230
like taking a photo
593
00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:06,632
of your vagina
to send to him...
594
00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:08,567
they truly believed
at that point
595
00:26:08,601 --> 00:26:10,336
that that was
the right thing to do.
596
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:13,339
You were conquering, you know,
one of your greatest fears.
597
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,574
Right?
This was making you
598
00:26:15,608 --> 00:26:16,943
a better, stronger person.
599
00:26:16,976 --> 00:26:18,678
[Catherine] When she was
living in Albany,
600
00:26:18,711 --> 00:26:20,579
she became more distant.
601
00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:21,914
If I tried to pin her down
602
00:26:21,948 --> 00:26:23,182
about what she was doing,
603
00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:24,984
seemed a bit vague,
604
00:26:25,017 --> 00:26:28,054
but maybe I didn't want
to admit to myself
605
00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:30,756
how much she was drifting away.
606
00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:33,926
I'd been to Albany,
and I had seen
607
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,595
that there was
this group of women,
608
00:26:36,629 --> 00:26:39,198
women who were in their 40s,
50s, 60s,
609
00:26:39,231 --> 00:26:41,600
who had given up
everything in their lives
610
00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:44,103
to serve Keith
and the organization,
611
00:26:44,136 --> 00:26:46,105
and I would...
612
00:26:46,138 --> 00:26:48,074
I just couldn't wrap my head
around that this
613
00:26:48,107 --> 00:26:50,009
was gonna be
my daughter's future.
614
00:26:50,943 --> 00:26:54,780
I felt sometimes like my mom
was judging or prying.
615
00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:59,652
It was easier for me
to just ignore her
616
00:26:59,685 --> 00:27:02,788
than to actually have
to discuss
617
00:27:02,822 --> 00:27:04,724
what was going on
for me in Albany.
618
00:27:04,757 --> 00:27:06,892
[desolate music]
619
00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:10,029
Allison told me that I
should ask Keith
620
00:27:10,062 --> 00:27:12,698
to work on
what she called
621
00:27:12,732 --> 00:27:16,035
my problems with sex.
622
00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:18,871
I didn't think I had
any problems with sex,
623
00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:22,108
but saying no to her
was not an option.
624
00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:25,144
It's hard to put myself
back there
625
00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:27,146
where I would
just say yes to that,
626
00:27:27,179 --> 00:27:29,015
but I believed
627
00:27:29,048 --> 00:27:32,118
that the things
that they were having me do
628
00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:34,987
were, at their core, good.
629
00:27:35,021 --> 00:27:38,224
Everything.
I didn't question it.
630
00:27:38,257 --> 00:27:41,227
♪ ♪
631
00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:43,996
And if Keith was going
to initiate
632
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:46,132
that kind of relationship
with me,
633
00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:48,134
I knew that
I had to participate.
634
00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:51,170
♪ ♪
635
00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:59,011
That's the...
that's the library.
636
00:27:59,045 --> 00:28:01,981
The library was one
of Keith's many townhouses
637
00:28:02,014 --> 00:28:03,282
in Clifton Park.
638
00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,051
It was sort of his office.
639
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,954
Keith told me he would
meet me there
640
00:28:08,988 --> 00:28:10,890
at some point in the evening.
641
00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:14,160
He instructed me to remove
all my clothes,
642
00:28:14,193 --> 00:28:18,731
and I was just sort of lying
up there in this loft,
643
00:28:18,764 --> 00:28:20,800
just waiting.
644
00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:22,401
He asked me a few questions
645
00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:25,104
about certain
sexual experiences
646
00:28:25,137 --> 00:28:28,107
that I had had,
647
00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:30,876
and then he began
648
00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:33,813
to what he referred to
as working on me,
649
00:28:33,846 --> 00:28:36,849
which was him performing
oral sex,
650
00:28:36,882 --> 00:28:40,486
which felt like hours,
651
00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:43,089
and I just sort of lied there.
652
00:28:43,122 --> 00:28:45,257
Didn't feel good.
653
00:28:45,291 --> 00:28:47,960
I actually felt
kind of paralyzed.
654
00:28:47,993 --> 00:28:49,762
♪ ♪
655
00:28:49,795 --> 00:28:53,933
And there was a lot of fear
about what might happen next,
656
00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:55,501
and then it...
it was over.
657
00:28:57,403 --> 00:29:00,940
And I remember even, like,
reaching my leg
658
00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:02,341
a little bit down
659
00:29:02,374 --> 00:29:05,044
so I could see if he was
maybe aroused,
660
00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:06,779
and he wasn't,
661
00:29:06,812 --> 00:29:08,481
which in a way
was kind of reassuring,
662
00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:10,149
because it made me think,
663
00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:13,285
"Oh, maybe he is just doing
this for me and my own benefit,
664
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:16,122
and he's not getting anything
out of it sexually."
665
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:19,358
That's what made it
all the more confusing.
666
00:29:23,963 --> 00:29:25,865
It continued for a year.
667
00:29:27,199 --> 00:29:28,467
I didn't know
that he was doing
668
00:29:28,501 --> 00:29:31,070
these same things
to other women.
669
00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:32,304
I had no idea.
670
00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:34,507
[somber music]
671
00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:37,910
He was just really good at
having people keep his secrets.
672
00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:40,946
♪ ♪
673
00:29:42,915 --> 00:29:44,984
Later, I found out that he
was doing
674
00:29:45,017 --> 00:29:48,187
even more disgusting,
demeaning sexual acts
675
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:50,156
to other women in DOS
676
00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:52,391
and was threatening to release
their collateral
677
00:29:52,424 --> 00:29:54,093
if they said anything.
678
00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:55,961
♪ ♪
679
00:29:55,995 --> 00:30:00,266
I definitely lost myself
for a little while, like,
680
00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:04,003
believing that what
we were doing was good for me.
681
00:30:04,036 --> 00:30:07,039
♪ ♪
682
00:30:08,941 --> 00:30:11,076
My experiences with Keith...
683
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:13,012
they didn't feel good, ever.
684
00:30:13,045 --> 00:30:14,980
Really weren't sexual.
They were manipulative.
685
00:30:15,014 --> 00:30:16,582
[India] No, they felt,
like, clinical,
686
00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:19,385
like I was going to the doctor
or something,
687
00:30:19,418 --> 00:30:22,054
but I wasn't getting "better."
[laughs]
688
00:30:22,087 --> 00:30:25,090
Like, I kept thinking,
"Why do I still feel so awful?
689
00:30:25,124 --> 00:30:26,959
Like, why does this hurt?"
690
00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:28,894
Or "Why am I not getting
anywhere
691
00:30:28,928 --> 00:30:32,064
with your teachings
or with your techniques on me?"
692
00:30:32,097 --> 00:30:35,000
I thought that I was
pretty screwed up.
693
00:30:35,534 --> 00:30:40,105
And I would say to him, "Hey,
whenever you go down on me,
694
00:30:40,139 --> 00:30:44,109
I get this massive ball
of, like, pain in my chest,"
695
00:30:44,143 --> 00:30:47,546
which kind of felt like...
like this hot,
696
00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:50,216
like, shaky thing right here,
697
00:30:50,249 --> 00:30:53,252
and I asked him,
698
00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:54,987
"Can you help me
get rid of that?"
699
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:58,257
And he said,
"No, that's your problem."
700
00:30:58,290 --> 00:31:00,426
And I thought...
701
00:31:00,459 --> 00:31:03,262
"Fuck, like,
what do I do with this?
702
00:31:03,295 --> 00:31:05,130
How do I...
how do I get rid of this?"
703
00:31:05,164 --> 00:31:07,299
And I actually thought maybe
I would be like that forever,
704
00:31:07,333 --> 00:31:11,470
maybe I would never be able
to enjoy sex or pleasure
705
00:31:11,503 --> 00:31:13,105
or my body.
706
00:31:13,138 --> 00:31:14,173
[Wise] All of this is
707
00:31:14,206 --> 00:31:16,175
psychological
and physical rape,
708
00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:17,576
in that case with the tongue.
709
00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:19,612
[India] Is that a...
is that a term,
710
00:31:19,645 --> 00:31:20,646
psychological rape?
711
00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,114
[Wise] Yeah.
712
00:31:22,147 --> 00:31:24,950
Everybody in cults
are psychologically raped,
713
00:31:24,984 --> 00:31:28,520
and there's no consensual sex,
however you want to define it,
714
00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:30,222
in a cult.
715
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:33,959
So what do you think
the sensations in the chest
716
00:31:33,993 --> 00:31:35,995
at that time
were trying to tell you?
717
00:31:36,028 --> 00:31:37,496
[mournful electronic music]
718
00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:40,032
[laughs weakly]
719
00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:43,235
Now it makes me feel sad,
because I think that it was
720
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:46,472
more, like,
my own warning system
721
00:31:46,505 --> 00:31:48,574
that I was just ignoring.
722
00:31:48,607 --> 00:31:51,343
♪ ♪
723
00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,379
[Raniere] Uh-oh.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
724
00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:54,413
What do you think you're doing?
725
00:31:54,446 --> 00:31:55,614
[man] Rotate that one set?
726
00:31:55,648 --> 00:31:57,516
Oh, the lights.
Yes, lights are fine.
727
00:31:57,549 --> 00:31:59,518
[India] One of the things
that we were told
728
00:31:59,551 --> 00:32:02,187
was that Keith was celibate,
729
00:32:02,221 --> 00:32:03,555
but really, he was sleeping
730
00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:05,658
with all the women
in his inner circle.
731
00:32:07,026 --> 00:32:09,228
[Lalich] Controlling someone
sexually
732
00:32:09,261 --> 00:32:10,629
is the most intimate way
733
00:32:10,663 --> 00:32:12,965
you can have influence
over someone.
734
00:32:12,998 --> 00:32:14,500
People are vulnerable
at that point.
735
00:32:14,533 --> 00:32:16,135
They're giving
themselves over.
736
00:32:16,168 --> 00:32:17,636
They may think
they're in love.
737
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:19,305
Even if they know
there are other partners,
738
00:32:19,338 --> 00:32:20,639
it doesn't matter.
You're...
739
00:32:20,673 --> 00:32:22,941
you know, you're...
you're having sex with God.
740
00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:24,276
My goodness.
741
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:25,644
[India] Keith had
this agreement
742
00:32:25,678 --> 00:32:28,080
with all of his slaves
that they knew
743
00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:30,115
that they were gonna be
monogamous with him,
744
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:32,551
but he was polyamorous.
745
00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:36,989
[Ross] Keith Raniere
could never get enough.
746
00:32:37,022 --> 00:32:38,691
He could never
get enough women.
747
00:32:38,724 --> 00:32:41,193
He could never have
enough sex.
748
00:32:41,226 --> 00:32:43,529
A woman could never submit
to him enough.
749
00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:47,099
He wanted to see
how far he could push it,
750
00:32:47,132 --> 00:32:50,069
and that led
to another escalation
751
00:32:50,102 --> 00:32:52,271
in his torture of women.
752
00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:55,307
[eerie music]
753
00:32:55,541 --> 00:32:57,209
[India] No matter what rank,
754
00:32:57,242 --> 00:33:00,279
no woman was immune
from punishment.
755
00:33:00,312 --> 00:33:02,281
It was part of the program.
756
00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:05,017
I was forced to watch
Dani Padilla,
757
00:33:05,050 --> 00:33:06,585
a first-line DOS slave,
758
00:33:06,618 --> 00:33:09,021
be paddled by Allison.
759
00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:10,556
They asked me to film it
760
00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:13,225
so that they could have
a witness.
761
00:33:13,258 --> 00:33:15,761
It was actually
Allison's penance
762
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:17,763
because she had failed
on her diet.
763
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,365
She had to paddle Dani.
764
00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:20,999
♪ ♪
765
00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:24,703
I remember
just standing there...
766
00:33:24,737 --> 00:33:26,271
sort of frozen.
767
00:33:26,305 --> 00:33:28,040
♪ ♪
768
00:33:28,073 --> 00:33:29,675
I knew after seeing that
769
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:31,677
I never wanted that
to happen to me.
770
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:33,245
♪ ♪
771
00:33:33,278 --> 00:33:34,680
[Cangro]
These first-line slaves
772
00:33:34,713 --> 00:33:36,181
that were directly
under Raniere
773
00:33:36,215 --> 00:33:39,218
had to hit each other
with these paddles.
774
00:33:39,785 --> 00:33:41,620
Raniere would sometimes
be there,
775
00:33:41,653 --> 00:33:43,555
or he would get images
776
00:33:43,589 --> 00:33:45,724
or videos of them doing this.
777
00:33:46,392 --> 00:33:48,660
[Penza] There are people
who engage in this sort
778
00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:51,663
of extreme sexual behavior,
779
00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:54,299
but you have to take
into account
780
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:55,701
the importance of consent.
781
00:33:55,734 --> 00:33:58,337
In DOS,
there was no safe word.
782
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:59,538
You had your collateral.
783
00:33:59,571 --> 00:34:02,074
There was no way
out of the situation.
784
00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:05,511
[India] Dani Padilla
was the first slave
785
00:34:05,544 --> 00:34:09,081
Keith actually started
to experiment with.
786
00:34:09,114 --> 00:34:10,449
It later came out
787
00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:12,317
that she had ordered
these things online.
788
00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:14,153
♪ ♪
789
00:34:14,186 --> 00:34:15,521
Thigh sling wrist cuffs,
790
00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:19,091
a remote shock puppy trainer.
791
00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:22,394
Heavy-duty steel bar
suspension kit.
792
00:34:22,428 --> 00:34:25,164
[Cangro] Keith was at the top
of all of this,
793
00:34:25,197 --> 00:34:27,599
forcing punishments
through torture
794
00:34:27,633 --> 00:34:29,468
and also physical abuse.
795
00:34:29,501 --> 00:34:33,238
He had one of these women
purchase BDSM items
796
00:34:33,272 --> 00:34:35,774
like a dungeon, an actual cage,
797
00:34:35,808 --> 00:34:40,112
and women were encouraged
to put their slaves in there
798
00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:43,248
for however long they wanted
to punish them for.
799
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:48,754
None of us consented
to this type of thing,
800
00:34:48,787 --> 00:34:50,689
especially with Keith.
801
00:34:50,722 --> 00:34:53,358
I thought that everything
that we were doing
802
00:34:53,392 --> 00:34:56,862
related to vulnerability
or related to submission,
803
00:34:57,095 --> 00:35:01,433
related to our personal growth,
was for us,
804
00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:04,336
but really it was
all just tools
805
00:35:04,369 --> 00:35:06,705
to prepare us
for something like this.
806
00:35:10,843 --> 00:35:12,578
[Lalich] When you're in a cult,
807
00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:14,313
you're in a social system
808
00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:17,115
that, over time,
closes in on you.
809
00:35:17,149 --> 00:35:20,319
You essentially
internalize the cult.
810
00:35:20,352 --> 00:35:22,454
You get to the point
that you yourself
811
00:35:22,488 --> 00:35:26,692
become kind of a microcosm
of that self-sealing system.
812
00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:28,861
You can basically function
on your own
813
00:35:28,894 --> 00:35:31,697
without the cult having
to tell you anything to do.
814
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:33,432
You chastise yourself.
815
00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:35,434
You don't need anyone else
there to criticize you.
816
00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:37,269
You're holding
yourself accountable
817
00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:39,171
because you have internalized
all this.
818
00:35:39,872 --> 00:35:43,342
[India] Allison had this band
that she would wear
819
00:35:43,375 --> 00:35:44,710
to punish herself.
820
00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:47,145
It's called a cilice.
821
00:35:47,179 --> 00:35:49,848
It's these tiny
needle-type things
822
00:35:49,882 --> 00:35:52,417
that you can strap
to your body,
823
00:35:52,451 --> 00:35:56,421
and it's very itchy
and painful and sharp,
824
00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:57,789
and she would wear that
825
00:35:57,823 --> 00:36:00,392
when she felt like
she needed to be punished.
826
00:36:00,425 --> 00:36:03,228
♪ ♪
827
00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:05,597
[Cangro] One of the most
extreme examples
828
00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:07,432
of Keith's cruel punishment
829
00:36:07,466 --> 00:36:10,869
is what happened to a young
woman in NXIVM named Daniela.
830
00:36:10,903 --> 00:36:13,405
Her entire family
831
00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:16,942
all moved to the Albany area
from Mexico
832
00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,778
and became deeply involved
within NXIVM.
833
00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:23,849
Keith coerced Daniela into
a sexual relationship
834
00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:26,585
in 2010, when Daniela
had expressed
835
00:36:26,618 --> 00:36:29,388
a crush for someone
that wasn't Keith Raniere.
836
00:36:29,421 --> 00:36:30,889
Keith told Daniela
837
00:36:30,923 --> 00:36:32,524
that she had to remain
confined
838
00:36:32,558 --> 00:36:36,595
inside of a townhouse
until she made amends.
839
00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:38,697
Lauren Salzman,
Nancy's daughter,
840
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:40,866
was in charge
of monitoring Daniela
841
00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,235
and enforcing
that confinement.
842
00:36:43,268 --> 00:36:46,371
Food was even left
outside of the door for her.
843
00:36:46,405 --> 00:36:50,242
Daniela was inside that room
for almost two years.
844
00:36:51,677 --> 00:36:54,279
[India] I've been in this house
many times, because...
845
00:36:54,313 --> 00:36:55,614
-[Cangro] Have you really?
-Yeah.
846
00:36:55,647 --> 00:36:56,782
I realized the other day
847
00:36:56,815 --> 00:37:00,352
that when I was in Albany
in January 2012,
848
00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:04,790
she was still captive
in this townhouse.
849
00:37:05,624 --> 00:37:06,992
I had no idea.
850
00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,395
It was like she didn't exist.
851
00:37:10,429 --> 00:37:13,398
[ominous electronic music]
852
00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:15,534
[woman's voice]
I can understand the ethics
853
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:17,769
of the consequences.
854
00:37:17,803 --> 00:37:21,440
They need to exist
because it is right.
855
00:37:21,473 --> 00:37:23,241
But the cost is so high.
856
00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:27,346
I feel panic.
I feel horror.
857
00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:28,947
I can't even think straight.
858
00:37:28,981 --> 00:37:31,016
♪ ♪
859
00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:33,685
I feel dread.
860
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,021
I really feel
like I'm in a nightmare.
861
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:38,423
♪ ♪
862
00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:40,959
I can relate to a lot
of her confusion and her pain,
863
00:37:40,993 --> 00:37:45,797
because I go back and I look
at my old journals or notes,
864
00:37:45,831 --> 00:37:49,368
and they're totally, like,
scattered and deranged
865
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,670
and a lot of self-hatred,
866
00:37:51,703 --> 00:37:53,972
like, "I'm doing this wrong.
867
00:37:54,006 --> 00:37:55,907
"I'm doing this wrong.
I need to fix this in myself.
868
00:37:55,941 --> 00:37:57,576
"I need to be better
for Allison.
869
00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:58,910
I need to be better for Keith."
870
00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:03,582
Like, all of this sort
of constant... just spinning,
871
00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:07,853
this just over-consuming guilt
of basically nothing
872
00:38:07,886 --> 00:38:09,621
And thinking...
yeah, and thinking
873
00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:11,490
you actually really did
something wrong.
874
00:38:11,523 --> 00:38:12,591
And that you deserve this.
875
00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:14,426
♪ ♪
876
00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:17,663
[Lalich] So Daniela was
in this room for two years,
877
00:38:17,696 --> 00:38:19,931
but the room had no lock
on the door.
878
00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,433
Why would she stay in the room?
879
00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:23,869
Why didn't she just get up
and walk out?
880
00:38:23,902 --> 00:38:26,905
And I think this is
where we see the power
881
00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:30,409
of the whole system
of controls and influences
882
00:38:30,442 --> 00:38:31,910
that get a person
to the point
883
00:38:31,943 --> 00:38:35,514
where they believe that
that's the right thing to do.
884
00:38:35,547 --> 00:38:37,983
And they believe that
if they go against that,
885
00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:40,519
the world is gonna come
crashing down.
886
00:38:40,552 --> 00:38:43,755
I mean, it really is...
for that person,
887
00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:45,757
it's a life-and-death
situation.
888
00:38:45,791 --> 00:38:48,326
[India] What do you know about
what it took
889
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,429
for Daniela to leave here?
890
00:38:50,462 --> 00:38:53,031
Basically, she was taken
to the Mexican border
891
00:38:53,065 --> 00:38:55,434
without her paperwork,
892
00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:58,537
and she was kind of just
let off.
893
00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:01,640
-No identification, no money?
-No identification, no money.
894
00:39:04,543 --> 00:39:06,745
So cruel.
895
00:39:06,778 --> 00:39:09,047
[Ross] People that understand
sex criminals,
896
00:39:09,081 --> 00:39:13,518
pedophiles, rapists, know
that it's not about sex.
897
00:39:13,552 --> 00:39:15,520
It's about power and control.
898
00:39:16,121 --> 00:39:19,624
[woman] I met Keith Raniere
around 1990,
899
00:39:19,658 --> 00:39:21,026
when I was about 12 years old.
900
00:39:21,059 --> 00:39:22,894
My mother became involved
with a company he ran
901
00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:25,464
called Consumer Buyline.
902
00:39:25,497 --> 00:39:26,798
During that time,
I got to know Keith.
903
00:39:26,832 --> 00:39:30,402
He offered to tutor me
in algebra and Latin.
904
00:39:30,435 --> 00:39:32,938
Shortly after
the tutoring started,
905
00:39:32,971 --> 00:39:34,706
a sexual relationship
906
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:37,943
began between Keith
and myself at the age of 12.
907
00:39:38,844 --> 00:39:40,712
It happened mostly
in his office,
908
00:39:40,746 --> 00:39:42,848
at Rome Plaza,
in the elevator,
909
00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:45,584
and also at the house
at 3 Flintlock Lane.
910
00:39:45,617 --> 00:39:48,587
[uneasy music]
911
00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,789
♪ ♪
912
00:39:50,822 --> 00:39:53,759
The thing, for example,
with sexual abuse.
913
00:39:53,792 --> 00:39:56,795
In some states,
it's their... their ages.
914
00:39:56,828 --> 00:39:59,664
There's the age of consent.
Some states, it's 17.
915
00:39:59,698 --> 00:40:01,133
Some parts of the world,
it's 12.
916
00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:02,968
Some parts of the world.
That's right.
917
00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:05,670
So what's abuse in one area
is not abuse in another.
918
00:40:05,704 --> 00:40:07,139
But what is it, really?
919
00:40:07,172 --> 00:40:09,808
Abuse is, does the person...
920
00:40:09,841 --> 00:40:11,109
is the person a child,
921
00:40:11,143 --> 00:40:13,478
or is the person adult-like?
922
00:40:13,512 --> 00:40:15,647
Some little children
are perfectly happy with it.
923
00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:20,085
[Cangro] Daniela, who was kept
in a room for two years,
924
00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:22,420
says she was sexually abused
by Keith,
925
00:40:22,454 --> 00:40:24,589
and so were her two sisters.
926
00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:28,760
All three of them became
impregnated by Keith Raniere
927
00:40:28,794 --> 00:40:31,530
and were encouraged
to get abortions.
928
00:40:31,563 --> 00:40:32,898
Let's talk about
really gross things
929
00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:35,667
like raping children,
raping a baby.
930
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:36,935
Can you imagine
what it would be like
931
00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:38,036
if you were just a primitive,
932
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:40,605
someone who just
was of the body?
933
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:41,773
It's not a baby.
It's just something
934
00:40:41,807 --> 00:40:43,008
that feels good.
935
00:40:43,041 --> 00:40:44,843
What if it was
just a lump of flesh?
936
00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:46,645
I'm gonna be
really crude, but...
937
00:40:46,678 --> 00:40:49,047
"Oh, feels good to stick
my dick in a steak."
938
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,115
[growls]
939
00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:51,650
"Oh, yeah.
Here's another flesh.
940
00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:54,052
Oh, it's a baby."
That's what it's like.
941
00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:57,022
[Cangro]
We don't know the full scale
942
00:40:57,055 --> 00:40:59,991
of how many victims
there could be out there.
943
00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:02,761
You look back, and you see
all of these cases,
944
00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:06,464
and you see that there
have been media reports
945
00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:09,568
on all of these things,
and nothing was done.
946
00:41:10,101 --> 00:41:13,672
And a big reason was because
NXIVM had a lot of money,
947
00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:15,707
primarily from the Bronfmans.
948
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:17,676
The Brockmans made
political contributions
949
00:41:17,709 --> 00:41:19,477
to local elected officials,
950
00:41:19,511 --> 00:41:21,713
and they also had
a robust legal team.
951
00:41:21,746 --> 00:41:22,948
All of that made people
952
00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:25,951
reluctant to speak out
against NXIVM.
953
00:41:25,984 --> 00:41:28,720
[Ross] They spent millions
and millions of dollars
954
00:41:28,753 --> 00:41:29,955
on litigation,
955
00:41:29,988 --> 00:41:33,158
private investigators,
and surveillance.
956
00:41:33,191 --> 00:41:35,160
[woman] When you have money
and you have power
957
00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:36,761
and you have resources,
958
00:41:36,795 --> 00:41:39,064
it's very easy
to delay justice,
959
00:41:39,097 --> 00:41:41,032
and I think
that's what happened here.
960
00:41:41,066 --> 00:41:44,903
You had a litigious target
who was willing to fight back
961
00:41:44,936 --> 00:41:46,972
and spend money to do so
and lawyer up
962
00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:48,206
and do all the things
you can do
963
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,141
to keep the situation
under control.
964
00:41:50,175 --> 00:41:52,544
I mean, you see the same thing
with other powerful defendants:
965
00:41:52,577 --> 00:41:54,079
Jeffrey Epstein,
Harvey Weinstein.
966
00:41:54,112 --> 00:41:55,947
It took decades
to get to those guys.
967
00:41:55,981 --> 00:41:58,817
♪ ♪
968
00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:01,720
[India] By this time,
I had been in NXIVM
969
00:42:01,753 --> 00:42:03,989
for five and a half years
970
00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:07,158
and in DOS for nearly a year,
971
00:42:07,192 --> 00:42:08,693
and daily life
972
00:42:08,727 --> 00:42:10,795
was just getting more
and more intense.
973
00:42:11,763 --> 00:42:16,635
I was doing DOS check-ins,
calorie restrictions,
974
00:42:16,668 --> 00:42:19,804
taking classes,
doing readiness drills,
975
00:42:19,838 --> 00:42:21,840
giving collateral,
976
00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:24,976
late-night walks,
and sessions with Keith.
977
00:42:25,911 --> 00:42:29,047
This was a whole new level
of exhaustion.
978
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,116
And just when I thought
979
00:42:31,149 --> 00:42:33,885
that this
was all I could handle,
980
00:42:33,919 --> 00:42:35,720
there was always
something new.
981
00:42:35,754 --> 00:42:37,188
[electronic music]
982
00:42:37,222 --> 00:42:40,825
I was on a walk with Allison
and Keith in Clifton Park,
983
00:42:40,859 --> 00:42:42,594
and they told me directly,
984
00:42:42,627 --> 00:42:45,163
"You need to enroll
your own slave."
985
00:42:45,196 --> 00:42:47,732
And I remember thinking,
"I don't want to."
986
00:42:49,034 --> 00:42:52,871
[Cangro] DOS really started
ramping up around 2016,
987
00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:56,074
which is when all
of the slaves within DOS
988
00:42:56,107 --> 00:43:00,011
were told that they needed
to bring other members in.
989
00:43:00,045 --> 00:43:02,580
The way that Keith Raniere
envisioned DOS
990
00:43:02,614 --> 00:43:04,582
was that it would be
thousands of women,
991
00:43:04,616 --> 00:43:06,284
and that one day,
they'd be able
992
00:43:06,318 --> 00:43:08,586
to have a DOS member
993
00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:10,288
as an elected official.
994
00:43:10,322 --> 00:43:13,992
He wanted to have power
at every single level,
995
00:43:14,025 --> 00:43:15,593
and that included government.
996
00:43:16,294 --> 00:43:18,730
[Raniere] The slaves
should look also
997
00:43:18,763 --> 00:43:20,932
to really find
998
00:43:20,966 --> 00:43:22,600
women of influence.
999
00:43:22,634 --> 00:43:23,835
I imagine, for example,
1000
00:43:23,868 --> 00:43:25,203
we could change
the presidential vote
1001
00:43:25,236 --> 00:43:27,706
of the United States
in four years or something.
1002
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,241
[Cangro] He thought
that he would have
1003
00:43:30,275 --> 00:43:32,844
all of this power
and all of this control
1004
00:43:32,877 --> 00:43:34,279
because of all
of the collateral
1005
00:43:34,312 --> 00:43:35,380
that he would have.
1006
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:36,748
I started to realize
1007
00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:39,084
that DOS was much bigger
than I thought,
1008
00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:40,752
and it started to grow quickly
1009
00:43:40,785 --> 00:43:42,354
'cause they were
not moving slow.
1010
00:43:42,387 --> 00:43:47,292
There was active pressure
to enroll all around me.
1011
00:43:49,627 --> 00:43:52,130
[Debora] My coach flew in
to LA, and she said,
1012
00:43:52,163 --> 00:43:53,932
"Well, I've been
actually wanting to meet you
1013
00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:55,900
to tell you about
an amazing woman's group."
1014
00:43:55,934 --> 00:43:57,268
A person that I was close with
1015
00:43:57,302 --> 00:44:00,372
within the organization
approached me.
1016
00:44:00,405 --> 00:44:03,174
It didn't feel like it
was something I had to do,
1017
00:44:03,208 --> 00:44:05,410
but it sounded like something
that I might want to do
1018
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:08,413
because she kept saying that
these women were exceptional.
1019
00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:11,016
[India] Allison instructed
myself
1020
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:12,851
and the other girls
in my group
1021
00:44:12,884 --> 00:44:14,386
to create lists of people
1022
00:44:14,419 --> 00:44:17,022
that we thought
we could enroll into DOS.
1023
00:44:17,055 --> 00:44:20,291
She instructed us
to get pictures of their faces
1024
00:44:20,325 --> 00:44:21,726
from social media
1025
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,862
and send them to her
for approval.
1026
00:44:23,895 --> 00:44:27,232
We didn't know that those
pictures were going to Keith.
1027
00:44:27,265 --> 00:44:30,969
My first question actually was,
"Is Keith behind this?"
1028
00:44:31,002 --> 00:44:33,104
Because he was part
of everything,
1029
00:44:33,138 --> 00:44:34,806
and she was like, "No."
1030
00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:36,875
So I go, "Okay, is ESP
behind this?"
1031
00:44:36,908 --> 00:44:38,176
And she said no.
1032
00:44:38,209 --> 00:44:39,711
[dramatic electronic music]
1033
00:44:39,744 --> 00:44:41,212
And I was like,
"Well, who are these women?"
1034
00:44:41,246 --> 00:44:43,381
And she said, "Well, I can't
really tell you much more
1035
00:44:43,415 --> 00:44:45,984
"unless you give me
some kind of collateral
1036
00:44:46,017 --> 00:44:48,753
so that I know you
will keep this a secret."
1037
00:44:48,787 --> 00:44:51,689
And I thought,
"Okay, that's kind of strange.
1038
00:44:51,723 --> 00:44:54,726
And I said, "Well, you know,
I want to think about this."
1039
00:44:54,759 --> 00:44:55,860
She says, "No problem.
No problem."
1040
00:44:55,894 --> 00:44:57,095
You know,
"Go ahead and think about it."
1041
00:44:57,128 --> 00:44:58,329
[India] There were punishments
to me
1042
00:44:58,363 --> 00:45:00,231
and the other girls in my group
1043
00:45:00,265 --> 00:45:03,334
if we weren't actively trying
to enroll people into DOS.
1044
00:45:03,368 --> 00:45:05,003
[woman] It was painted
1045
00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:07,038
as if we didn't reach
certain enrollment numbers
1046
00:45:07,072 --> 00:45:09,374
by a certain date,
we would be failing my master.
1047
00:45:09,407 --> 00:45:11,910
and that she might even face
the consequence
1048
00:45:11,943 --> 00:45:13,311
if we don't enroll faster.
1049
00:45:13,344 --> 00:45:14,946
Just told me directly,
1050
00:45:14,979 --> 00:45:16,314
"Will you work
with all the women
1051
00:45:16,347 --> 00:45:18,716
"and figure out, you know,
who they know
1052
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:20,285
"and who they're trying
to enroll
1053
00:45:20,318 --> 00:45:23,455
and project out at what date
we'll get to 100?"
1054
00:45:24,289 --> 00:45:26,891
[India] I'm trying
to understand why I kept going
1055
00:45:26,925 --> 00:45:28,359
when others said no.
1056
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:33,264
I remember Allison
and, I believe, Lauren, too,
1057
00:45:33,298 --> 00:45:35,200
coming to me and saying that
1058
00:45:35,233 --> 00:45:38,503
[bleep] tried to enroll you,
1059
00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:39,871
-Mm-hmm.
-[India] And I was like,
1060
00:45:39,904 --> 00:45:41,339
"How did it go?"
And they're like,
1061
00:45:41,372 --> 00:45:42,474
"It didn't go well."
1062
00:45:42,507 --> 00:45:43,741
No.
1063
00:45:43,775 --> 00:45:45,143
Once she started the pitch,
1064
00:45:45,176 --> 00:45:46,778
she kept looking down,
1065
00:45:46,811 --> 00:45:48,780
like, literally like this,
talking to me,
1066
00:45:48,813 --> 00:45:51,316
if you were me, like...
and not looking at me.
1067
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:53,751
And I was very like,
"Hmm, that's weird.
1068
00:45:53,785 --> 00:45:56,221
If you're so great,
why can you not look at me?"
1069
00:45:56,254 --> 00:45:57,222
Right.
1070
00:45:57,255 --> 00:45:58,223
And then that night,
1071
00:45:58,256 --> 00:45:59,891
the creepiest thing happened.
1072
00:45:59,924 --> 00:46:01,025
I went into the bathroom,
1073
00:46:01,059 --> 00:46:02,494
and you know how
the phone's open
1074
00:46:02,527 --> 00:46:04,395
and the text messages are open?
1075
00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:06,998
And I was washing my hands,
and a new text came in,
1076
00:46:07,031 --> 00:46:09,134
and I looked down,
and I saw, like,
1077
00:46:09,167 --> 00:46:11,069
"I love you, my master."
1078
00:46:11,102 --> 00:46:13,138
And I was like, what is this?
1079
00:46:13,171 --> 00:46:14,239
Wow.
1080
00:46:14,272 --> 00:46:16,975
It was really eerie.
It felt very bad,
1081
00:46:17,008 --> 00:46:19,544
like here,
like in my gut feeling.
1082
00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:21,045
My alarms went off
1083
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,882
and I was like,
"No, I don't want to do that."
1084
00:46:23,915 --> 00:46:28,086
I wonder that if one
of the warning signs are,
1085
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:29,787
"Are you overriding
1086
00:46:29,821 --> 00:46:31,422
the feelings that you're having
in your body or your gut?"
1087
00:46:31,456 --> 00:46:33,525
Yeah, I think it is.
1088
00:46:33,558 --> 00:46:36,327
So I'm trying to learn that.
I'm trying to get better.
1089
00:46:36,361 --> 00:46:37,829
I'm so proud of you.
1090
00:46:39,063 --> 00:46:40,865
Thank you.
1091
00:46:40,899 --> 00:46:43,234
[uneasy music]
1092
00:46:43,268 --> 00:46:46,304
I did not want
to recruit people into DOS,
1093
00:46:46,337 --> 00:46:48,006
but there was a lot
of pressure
1094
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:49,908
from Keith and Allison,
1095
00:46:49,941 --> 00:46:52,977
and when I resisted,
they would tell me,
1096
00:46:53,011 --> 00:46:54,479
"Go get an EM on that."
1097
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:57,549
If there was any issue
that you had with the diet,
1098
00:46:57,582 --> 00:47:00,485
with collateral,
with recruitment, with DOS,
1099
00:47:00,518 --> 00:47:02,887
you were sent to go get an EM
1100
00:47:02,921 --> 00:47:05,957
so that you would eliminate
your reaction to it.
1101
00:47:06,324 --> 00:47:09,928
So I would constantly
be getting EMs
1102
00:47:09,961 --> 00:47:13,131
until eventually,
I just felt numb.
1103
00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:14,499
♪ ♪
1104
00:47:14,532 --> 00:47:17,235
I ended up having
three slaves under me,
1105
00:47:17,268 --> 00:47:19,103
and I was strictly instructed
1106
00:47:19,137 --> 00:47:22,941
to not tell them
that Keith was involved.
1107
00:47:22,974 --> 00:47:25,143
I had to ask them
for collateral,
1108
00:47:25,176 --> 00:47:27,212
the same that I was giving,
1109
00:47:27,245 --> 00:47:29,414
damaging things
to their reputations,
1110
00:47:29,447 --> 00:47:32,584
to their careers,
to loved ones or family.
1111
00:47:32,617 --> 00:47:35,320
One of them sent me
1112
00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:37,855
a very explicit video
1113
00:47:37,889 --> 00:47:39,991
that I then sent to Allison,
1114
00:47:40,024 --> 00:47:42,260
and I assume
that it went to Keith.
1115
00:47:42,293 --> 00:47:45,063
♪ ♪
1116
00:47:45,096 --> 00:47:49,133
Now I feel horrible
that I lied to them,
1117
00:47:49,167 --> 00:47:51,502
but at the time, I thought
1118
00:47:51,536 --> 00:47:54,038
we were doing practices
for our own good.
1119
00:47:54,072 --> 00:47:57,041
♪ ♪
1120
00:47:57,075 --> 00:48:00,311
One of my slaves was someone
that I knew from Los Angeles,
1121
00:48:00,345 --> 00:48:03,014
and we had a couple
mutual friends.
1122
00:48:03,047 --> 00:48:06,284
I did not like her
calling me master.
1123
00:48:06,317 --> 00:48:09,654
I didn't like referring
to her as a slave.
1124
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:12,490
I didn't even really like
giving her assignments
1125
00:48:12,523 --> 00:48:14,125
or practices.
1126
00:48:14,158 --> 00:48:17,395
A majority of what I had her do
was just journal.
1127
00:48:17,428 --> 00:48:20,465
Allison would tell me
that I was too soft on her,
1128
00:48:20,498 --> 00:48:22,066
that I let her walk
all over me,
1129
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:25,236
that I had to become
a stronger master.
1130
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:28,673
I felt uncomfortable
disappointing Allison,
1131
00:48:28,906 --> 00:48:30,375
but I felt more uncomfortable
1132
00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:34,345
giving those types
of commands to my slaves.
1133
00:48:34,379 --> 00:48:39,050
Allison demanded that I give
my slave, who was my friend,
1134
00:48:39,083 --> 00:48:41,219
the seduction assignment,
1135
00:48:41,252 --> 00:48:43,288
but I kept putting it off.
1136
00:48:43,321 --> 00:48:45,356
I didn't want to give it
to her.
1137
00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:47,058
♪ ♪
1138
00:48:47,091 --> 00:48:49,193
[Penza]
In these types of cases,
1139
00:48:49,227 --> 00:48:54,065
we often see that the line
between victim and victimizer
1140
00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:58,536
is not quite clear,
and that was true within DOS.
1141
00:48:58,569 --> 00:49:02,006
You have women
who have been victimized
1142
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,374
recruiting other women
1143
00:49:03,408 --> 00:49:05,176
into the sex trafficking
organization.
1144
00:49:05,209 --> 00:49:07,612
♪ ♪
1145
00:49:07,645 --> 00:49:11,015
[Catherine]
India is my most sentimental,
1146
00:49:11,049 --> 00:49:13,017
family-oriented child,
1147
00:49:13,051 --> 00:49:16,254
and she loves holidays.
1148
00:49:16,287 --> 00:49:17,655
She's the first to call me
on my birthday.
1149
00:49:17,689 --> 00:49:20,058
She's the first to call me
on Mother's Day.
1150
00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,694
And so when she let me know
that she wasn't coming home
1151
00:49:22,727 --> 00:49:25,997
for Christmas 2016,
1152
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:28,266
I was really worried.
1153
00:49:29,233 --> 00:49:31,636
This is my porch!
1154
00:49:31,669 --> 00:49:35,306
It's very, very snowy,
very Christmas-like,
1155
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:37,575
and I love you guys,
and I miss you,
1156
00:49:37,608 --> 00:49:39,477
and I'm sending you a big kiss.
1157
00:49:40,578 --> 00:49:44,482
[Catherine] That video was all
we saw of her that Christmas.
1158
00:49:44,515 --> 00:49:46,684
I watched it
over and over again.
1159
00:49:46,718 --> 00:49:48,219
Her eyes were vacant.
1160
00:49:48,252 --> 00:49:50,421
It was as if
there was nobody home.
1161
00:49:50,455 --> 00:49:52,724
She was beyond my reach.
1162
00:49:53,624 --> 00:49:57,395
Love comes not from
the satiation or the comfort.
1163
00:49:57,428 --> 00:49:59,997
It comes from the sacrifice
and the pain.
1164
00:50:00,031 --> 00:50:02,066
That's how we know it.
1165
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:06,003
When we most feel love,
we feel pain,
1166
00:50:06,037 --> 00:50:08,473
and the depth of pain
that we feel
1167
00:50:08,506 --> 00:50:10,274
measures that love.
1168
00:50:13,111 --> 00:50:15,747
[India] In January 2017,
1169
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:18,383
Allison told me that there
was gonna be a ceremony
1170
00:50:18,416 --> 00:50:21,152
that I was gonna have
to be a part of.
1171
00:50:21,185 --> 00:50:24,021
She said it would involve
a mark on our bodies,
1172
00:50:24,055 --> 00:50:26,057
and that it would be
a permanent commitment
1173
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:27,325
to DOS.
1174
00:50:27,358 --> 00:50:29,627
Allison and
the other first-line slaves
1175
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:31,462
had already done it,
1176
00:50:31,496 --> 00:50:33,664
and now it was
the second line's turn.
1177
00:50:34,532 --> 00:50:36,334
We were going to be branded.
1178
00:50:38,102 --> 00:50:42,774
That window is where
Allison's bedroom was
1179
00:50:42,807 --> 00:50:45,209
and where we had
the branding ceremony.
1180
00:50:47,245 --> 00:50:49,113
[Jill] I was told by my master
1181
00:50:49,147 --> 00:50:50,648
that I would need
to be branded,
1182
00:50:50,681 --> 00:50:52,817
that this was part
of the sorority.
1183
00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:55,620
Literally, you would have
these reminders on your body
1184
00:50:55,653 --> 00:50:59,590
every day that this is not only
a lifetime serious vow,
1185
00:50:59,624 --> 00:51:01,058
but it's also
1186
00:51:01,092 --> 00:51:03,761
the most important
relationship in your life.
1187
00:51:04,562 --> 00:51:06,697
[Ross] The women who entered
into DOS
1188
00:51:06,731 --> 00:51:08,366
felt that what they
were demonstrating
1189
00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:11,736
is their absolute commitment
to each other
1190
00:51:11,769 --> 00:51:13,404
and to the philosophy
1191
00:51:13,438 --> 00:51:16,641
that Raniere had indoctrinated
them to believe.
1192
00:51:16,674 --> 00:51:18,676
In that environment,
1193
00:51:18,709 --> 00:51:22,246
accepting the brand
becomes logical,
1194
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,282
it becomes reasonable,
1195
00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:27,518
and they simply see it
as their commitment
1196
00:51:27,552 --> 00:51:30,455
based on all the training
that they've gone through.
1197
00:51:31,756 --> 00:51:35,126
[India] Maybe a week before
we actually got branded,
1198
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:38,296
Allison started to talk
about the details
1199
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:39,831
of the branding ceremony.
1200
00:51:40,465 --> 00:51:43,668
I was told that the brand
was going to be a symbol
1201
00:51:43,701 --> 00:51:45,203
of the elements,
1202
00:51:45,236 --> 00:51:49,607
like fire, earth, water, sky,
1203
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,643
and that it would be
a bonding experience
1204
00:51:52,677 --> 00:51:54,812
for myself and the other women
1205
00:51:54,846 --> 00:51:57,415
and the practice
of building character.
1206
00:51:58,182 --> 00:51:59,684
[Jill] My master told me
it was very small,
1207
00:51:59,717 --> 00:52:01,352
like held up her fingers
1208
00:52:01,385 --> 00:52:03,654
like... like that,
like... like a quarter.
1209
00:52:03,688 --> 00:52:06,290
So it freaked me out,
but I honestly thought,
1210
00:52:06,324 --> 00:52:07,758
"Well, it's gonna
be stamped on.
1211
00:52:07,792 --> 00:52:10,728
This will be seconds
of my life."
1212
00:52:10,761 --> 00:52:14,465
None of us really had any...
1213
00:52:14,499 --> 00:52:17,134
idea what this was
gonna be like,
1214
00:52:17,168 --> 00:52:18,402
and so Allison
1215
00:52:18,436 --> 00:52:19,871
brought out these videos.
1216
00:52:19,904 --> 00:52:24,909
[man]
One, two, three, four, five.
1217
00:52:26,244 --> 00:52:28,279
[India] And I remember
watching it and thinking...
1218
00:52:28,312 --> 00:52:29,847
-[man] Here we go.
-[India] Wow, that looks awful.
1219
00:52:29,881 --> 00:52:33,417
[man] One, two, three, four.
1220
00:52:33,451 --> 00:52:36,187
But I made no connection
to the fact
1221
00:52:36,220 --> 00:52:38,256
that that was gonna happen
to me
1222
00:52:38,289 --> 00:52:39,690
and that it was gonna happen
to me
1223
00:52:39,724 --> 00:52:42,627
within the next couple of days.
1224
00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:44,228
Dr. Danielle Roberts,
1225
00:52:44,262 --> 00:52:48,332
who is in my pod,
was taught how to brand.
1226
00:52:48,366 --> 00:52:50,601
[man] Three, four, five.
1227
00:52:50,635 --> 00:52:51,802
I had listened
1228
00:52:51,836 --> 00:52:53,571
and watched Danielle practice
1229
00:52:53,604 --> 00:52:56,340
on oranges in the bathroom,
1230
00:52:56,374 --> 00:52:58,910
and it looked scary.
1231
00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:01,746
The day of the ceremony,
1232
00:53:01,779 --> 00:53:04,782
I began to feel
a lot more fear,
1233
00:53:04,815 --> 00:53:07,251
and I even remember saying,
1234
00:53:07,285 --> 00:53:09,487
"Are you sure
we have to do this?"
1235
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,189
And Allison was like, "Yes."
1236
00:53:12,223 --> 00:53:15,226
[uneasy music]
1237
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:19,697
We walked one by one
into Allison's bedroom,
1238
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:22,800
fully naked.
1239
00:53:22,833 --> 00:53:25,603
I was instructed
to lie on the table.
1240
00:53:25,636 --> 00:53:28,773
I had Michele
holding my feet,
1241
00:53:28,806 --> 00:53:31,776
and Nicole held my hands
1242
00:53:31,809 --> 00:53:34,445
so that I wouldn't convulse.
1243
00:53:34,478 --> 00:53:37,848
Allison was reading
the ceremony script,
1244
00:53:37,882 --> 00:53:40,418
[woman] The best slave
derives the highest pleasure
1245
00:53:40,451 --> 00:53:42,954
from being
her master's ultimate tool,
1246
00:53:42,987 --> 00:53:45,323
independent of use.
1247
00:53:45,356 --> 00:53:49,927
[India] Danielle put a stencil
on my skin,
1248
00:53:49,961 --> 00:53:53,898
and then she began
to trace the stencil
1249
00:53:53,931 --> 00:53:55,633
with the cauterizing pen.
1250
00:53:55,666 --> 00:53:58,669
♪ ♪
1251
00:54:00,571 --> 00:54:04,475
I was the first woman that
Danielle Roberts ever branded.
1252
00:54:04,508 --> 00:54:07,645
[flesh sizzling]
1253
00:54:07,678 --> 00:54:09,747
The smell that came
1254
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,884
from the cauterizing pen
burning my flesh
1255
00:54:13,918 --> 00:54:15,519
was so intense
1256
00:54:15,553 --> 00:54:19,323
that it filled up
the entire townhouse.
1257
00:54:19,357 --> 00:54:21,492
I didn't feel the pain
1258
00:54:21,525 --> 00:54:23,961
of what was happening to me
right away,
1259
00:54:23,995 --> 00:54:28,265
but then, when the pen would
reach the edges of the line
1260
00:54:28,299 --> 00:54:30,301
and close to my bone,
1261
00:54:30,334 --> 00:54:34,772
that shocked me.
Like, I felt jolt... a jolt.
1262
00:54:35,306 --> 00:54:36,641
I wasn't screaming.
1263
00:54:36,674 --> 00:54:41,278
I was just kind of watching
myself experience this...
1264
00:54:41,879 --> 00:54:44,281
...and I just remember...
1265
00:54:44,315 --> 00:54:46,517
I felt like
I was out of my body.
1266
00:54:46,550 --> 00:54:47,752
♪ ♪
1267
00:54:47,785 --> 00:54:49,687
At that point,
I could tell that this
1268
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,857
was gonna be
much larger than a quarter.
1269
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:54,525
♪ ♪
1270
00:54:54,558 --> 00:54:55,926
I kept looking up at Allison
1271
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,762
while she was repeating
these words,
1272
00:54:57,795 --> 00:55:00,398
and I don't even
really remember much
1273
00:55:00,431 --> 00:55:02,466
except for one line,
1274
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:06,470
which was "Feel the pain,
feel the love,"
1275
00:55:06,504 --> 00:55:08,873
and she had us
repeating that to her.
1276
00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:11,042
[women] Feel the pain.
Feel the love.
1277
00:55:11,075 --> 00:55:12,643
Feel the pain, feel the love.
1278
00:55:12,677 --> 00:55:14,612
Your greatest joy
is to surrender completely...
1279
00:55:14,645 --> 00:55:16,814
all things in all ways.
1280
00:55:16,847 --> 00:55:18,416
I surrender my life,
1281
00:55:18,449 --> 00:55:22,953
mind, body, and possessions
for unconditional use.
1282
00:55:22,987 --> 00:55:27,892
[India] The branding lasted
for about 30 minutes,
1283
00:55:27,925 --> 00:55:30,461
and then I had to watch
the other women
1284
00:55:30,494 --> 00:55:31,862
have that done to them.
1285
00:55:31,896 --> 00:55:33,831
[distressing musical crescendo]
1286
00:55:33,864 --> 00:55:37,601
After all the adrenaline
came down, came the pain.
1287
00:55:37,635 --> 00:55:40,638
♪ ♪
1288
00:55:41,772 --> 00:55:44,442
When Keith first saw my brand,
1289
00:55:44,475 --> 00:55:48,012
he commented
on how well it had healed.
1290
00:55:48,045 --> 00:55:49,580
He would touch it.
1291
00:55:49,613 --> 00:55:53,651
He would say things like
he liked how tiny I looked.
1292
00:55:53,684 --> 00:55:55,786
He seemed pleased
with the brand.
1293
00:55:56,987 --> 00:56:01,092
At the time, I felt positive
about the brand.
1294
00:56:01,125 --> 00:56:04,061
For me, it represented
something that was challenging
1295
00:56:04,095 --> 00:56:07,131
that I had done with women
that I loved and cared about.
1296
00:56:07,798 --> 00:56:09,734
And then Allison announced
1297
00:56:09,767 --> 00:56:12,937
that it was time
to brand my slaves.
1298
00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:15,973
[dark music]
1299
00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,642
[Catherine] I always felt that
India would wake up on her own
1300
00:56:18,676 --> 00:56:22,413
and that she would leave
NXIVM of her own volition.
1301
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:25,950
But in April of 2017,
1302
00:56:25,983 --> 00:56:29,553
I received a phone call
that changed everything.
1303
00:56:29,587 --> 00:56:32,423
It was from somebody who
had defected from NXIVM,
1304
00:56:32,456 --> 00:56:34,125
and she said to me,
1305
00:56:34,158 --> 00:56:36,494
"You have to save your
daughter.
1306
00:56:36,527 --> 00:56:37,928
"You have to save India.
1307
00:56:37,962 --> 00:56:42,032
She is in grave danger."
1308
00:56:42,066 --> 00:56:45,035
[uneasy music]
1309
00:56:45,069 --> 00:56:48,072
♪ ♪