1 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:22,229 We don't consider him a suspect in the case anymore. 2 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:25,699 We saw leads and tips drop off dramatically 3 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:28,499 after Michael Klunder, because everybody, like us, 4 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:30,330 assumed that it was Klunder. 5 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:34,499 And so we wanted to pick up the tips 6 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:38,399 and tell people Michael Klunder right now is off the table, 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,800 and we're going to continue doing our investigation. 8 00:00:45,970 --> 00:00:49,700 We don't have any answers of who killed Elizabeth and Lyric, 9 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:52,400 but that person is still out there. 10 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:55,230 Or persons. 11 00:00:57,930 --> 00:01:01,370 It's unsettling, to say the least. 12 00:01:02,570 --> 00:01:05,068 And Evansdale, you know, it could be your neighbor. 13 00:01:05,069 --> 00:01:06,200 You just don't know. 14 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:09,169 No parent should have to go through this. 15 00:01:09,170 --> 00:01:12,699 Like I wouldn't want my worst enemy to go through this. 16 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:16,269 I never want this person to be able to do this to another family. 17 00:01:16,270 --> 00:01:18,730 And I want justice for my girls. 18 00:01:37,070 --> 00:01:40,499 For the past two years, Eastern Iowans have been waiting for answers 19 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:43,829 about who kidnapped and killed two Evansdale cousins. 20 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:47,499 After we buried Lyric and Elizabeth, I haven't heard 21 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:51,169 from one authoritative figure at all. 22 00:01:51,170 --> 00:01:57,130 No one. No updates, no phone calls, no information. 23 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,069 There's a lot of resources involved 24 00:02:00,070 --> 00:02:03,269 for weeks and weeks and weeks on the front end of this case, 25 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:06,029 and there were some people that worked it you know, pretty much nonstop 26 00:02:06,030 --> 00:02:09,829 for the first couple of years, but it's hard to maintain that. 27 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:14,069 You know, at some point it does start to slow down. 28 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:18,828 The FBI came in and they issued a profile of the killer. 29 00:02:18,829 --> 00:02:20,470 You know, one, that they were local. 30 00:02:21,570 --> 00:02:23,369 They had to be familiar with Meyers Lake 31 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:26,569 and Seven Bridges Wildlife Area in Bremer County. 32 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:29,328 The FBI said the killer may be part of the Evansdale, 33 00:02:29,329 --> 00:02:31,399 or surrounding area. 34 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,229 Probably had changed their appearance recently. 35 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:38,269 And that the killer may have attempted to abduct children, 36 00:02:38,270 --> 00:02:39,500 or adults in the past. 37 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:44,329 It would be very, very unusual 38 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:47,969 if this was the first time they'd acted out. 39 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:50,729 Maybe not to this degree. 40 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:55,329 But they probably had inappropriate contact, 41 00:02:55,970 --> 00:02:57,500 surely, fantasies, 42 00:02:58,770 --> 00:02:59,800 with other... 43 00:03:01,670 --> 00:03:03,470 juvenile, prepubescent girls. 44 00:03:19,630 --> 00:03:23,029 I was doing breaking news reporting at the Des Moines Register, 45 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:28,699 and during the evening shifts, I would notice, you know, every few weeks that summer, 46 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:30,499 there had been news releases 47 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:33,470 coming from law enforcement agencies around Iowa. 48 00:03:34,530 --> 00:03:37,599 We'd get a news release from one county that said, 49 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,869 "We got a report that a man tried to kidnap a girl. 50 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:42,199 "She didn't go into the car." 51 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,229 But two weeks later, we get another press release. 52 00:03:46,230 --> 00:03:49,469 And you're like, "Okay, this summer is there just 53 00:03:49,470 --> 00:03:52,730 a bunch of different people trying to abduct kids in Iowa? 54 00:03:57,530 --> 00:04:00,229 I remember that I was at a police department 55 00:04:00,230 --> 00:04:05,500 and they had a map of the state, and they had these tacks, 56 00:04:06,670 --> 00:04:09,030 where each one of his things happened. 57 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:13,669 A man approached two 11-year-old girls 58 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:16,169 who were walking together in Colfax, Iowa, 59 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:20,069 and he offered both of them $100 bills. 60 00:04:20,070 --> 00:04:24,629 One of the girls did get into the car with him and sat in the passenger seat. 61 00:04:24,630 --> 00:04:28,599 He molested her and touched her over her clothes. 62 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,969 And he had made her touch him as well. 63 00:04:31,970 --> 00:04:35,600 And she asked him to get out of the car and he dropped her off at the library. 64 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,099 The ages ranged. 65 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:41,629 It could be as young as six to as old 66 00:04:41,630 --> 00:04:47,869 as 13 in Onawa, 220 miles west of Evansdale. 67 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:51,800 One six-year-old girl who was just walking back home after school. 68 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,929 A silver Ford Focus pulls up to her 69 00:04:55,930 --> 00:05:01,230 and a man offers her a $100 bill to get into his car. 70 00:05:02,470 --> 00:05:06,169 She immediately rejects the money, runs off, goes home, 71 00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:08,070 and she tells her mom about the situation. 72 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,029 I was over at a neighbor's house and her daughter come running in. 73 00:05:17,030 --> 00:05:20,799 She was pale white, saying some man tried to abduct her. 74 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,429 She said he had a blue shirt, silver car. 75 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:24,899 I was just in such disbelief. 76 00:05:24,900 --> 00:05:25,969 I raced out the door, 77 00:05:25,970 --> 00:05:28,329 I get in the car, I see the silver car 78 00:05:28,330 --> 00:05:29,899 at the end of the block. 79 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:33,129 When I pull next to him, I go, "Hey, you picking up kids?" 80 00:05:33,130 --> 00:05:34,570 And that's when he sped off. 81 00:05:36,830 --> 00:05:40,569 I follow him and I caught up to him, and that's when I decided 82 00:05:40,570 --> 00:05:42,329 like, "Hey, we got to call the police now," 83 00:05:42,330 --> 00:05:44,169 you know. They were just, like, you know, "Stay on him, 84 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:46,969 "don't lose him," you know, I said, "I'm going at a high rate of speed, 85 00:05:46,970 --> 00:05:49,199 "upwards of 95 miles an hour." 86 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,230 They're like, "Just stay on him, do not lose him." 87 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:56,869 Finally, the state troopers arrived and he pulled over. 88 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:59,929 No incident, no altercations, got arrested, 89 00:05:59,930 --> 00:06:03,200 put him in the cop car and he looked like a normal guy. 90 00:06:05,230 --> 00:06:07,129 The police arrested Jeff Altmayer. 91 00:06:07,130 --> 00:06:11,369 He's a 58-year-old from Ankeny, Iowa. 92 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:14,699 When police searched Jeff Altmayer's vehicle they found Viagra, 93 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:19,270 Xanax, they found over a dozen $100 bills. 94 00:06:21,770 --> 00:06:27,399 Looking at Jeff Altmayer, he really wouldn't be on anyone's radar at all. 95 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,229 I mean, he was quiet. 96 00:06:29,230 --> 00:06:31,829 He lived in a suburb of Des Moines. 97 00:06:31,830 --> 00:06:34,929 He didn't have any previous criminal convictions. 98 00:06:34,930 --> 00:06:39,499 He had a wife and two adult children that he lived with. 99 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:42,999 He was a vehicle inspector for an insurance agent. 100 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,599 And his territory that he covered was the entire state of Iowa. 101 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,529 His job gave him a huge hunting ground 102 00:06:50,530 --> 00:06:54,200 to just go into all these towns and just be completely anonymous. 103 00:06:57,370 --> 00:07:00,829 There had been multiple different cases, and with the Evansdale case, 104 00:07:00,830 --> 00:07:03,929 it was two little girls who were around the same age 105 00:07:03,930 --> 00:07:06,669 of the girls that he would try to abduct. 106 00:07:06,670 --> 00:07:09,899 You know, the closest case that law enforcement knew about 107 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:13,969 that he was a suspect in was in Cedar Falls, Iowa, 108 00:07:13,970 --> 00:07:19,199 which is just a little over a dozen miles away from Evansdale. 109 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,400 It's very close. 110 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:25,199 When Jeff Altmayer came up, it would be a logical step 111 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,799 to make a guy that's driving around and trying to entice kids, um, 112 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,029 he would be a name that you would want 113 00:07:30,030 --> 00:07:33,829 to vet through a case like what we have with Evansdale. 114 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:37,029 When I seen Jeff Altmayer's name in the paper 115 00:07:37,030 --> 00:07:39,429 absolutely, I was thinking, somebody like that! 116 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:41,699 Are you guys watching him? You know, and I'm calling them, 117 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:42,999 you know, talking to DCI and stuff, 118 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,729 and, you know, ask some questions about this guy. 119 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:49,630 The only thing that didn't make sense was he's let these girls go. 120 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,300 He wasn't killing them. 121 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:12,429 These kind of people, they might start off molesting kids, 122 00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:14,929 and then it kind of progresses. 123 00:08:14,930 --> 00:08:18,500 And I don't think you go backwards after you kill a couple of kids. 124 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,000 I think you get more deviant. 125 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:26,329 He's gonna do it again if he hasn't already, 126 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:29,070 and he'll do it until he gets caught. 127 00:08:46,930 --> 00:08:50,499 On February 13th 2017 in Delphi, Indiana, 128 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:52,170 another dual abduction occurred. 129 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,529 I'm a news junkie. 130 00:08:56,530 --> 00:08:58,529 So when there is an abduction of a child in this country, 131 00:08:58,530 --> 00:08:59,829 the first question I ask myself, 132 00:08:59,830 --> 00:09:01,300 "Is this our guy?" 133 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:04,299 In the Delphi Indiana case, 134 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:05,599 I read the news article, 135 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,130 and said this could be the guy. 136 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:12,229 Delphi is a really nice small town. 137 00:09:12,230 --> 00:09:13,699 It's a quiet place to grow up. 138 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:16,829 You know, your kids know all the kids in their class. 139 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:19,529 Sports teams are still big on Friday night. 140 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:22,370 It's just a good place for families, 141 00:09:23,570 --> 00:09:26,300 and nobody, really, you know, had a second thought about it. 142 00:09:29,530 --> 00:09:31,199 Oh, that was right there in the yard. That was Mother's Day 143 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,999 in our matching outfits. 144 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,300 Our denim jackets. 145 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:39,199 This one, um, I took sitting across from her. 146 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,869 It was my cousin's bridal shower, 147 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:44,499 and when we had to find, like, a current picture of her 148 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:46,099 even though it's with the hat, 149 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:47,730 it's, like, this is it. 150 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:54,729 Abby was, like, the coolest, kindest kid ever. 151 00:09:54,730 --> 00:09:56,729 She really cared about people, 152 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:59,630 wanted to help out with everything and everybody. 153 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:03,469 Loved sports. 154 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:05,999 Tried everything at least once. 155 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,030 Stuck with volleyball for three years, 156 00:10:09,170 --> 00:10:11,169 Abigail had a lot of really good friends. 157 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:12,670 Libby being one of them. 158 00:10:14,770 --> 00:10:19,629 Liberty had just turned 14 and Abby would have been 14 in June. 159 00:10:19,630 --> 00:10:21,969 Her team photos. 160 00:10:21,970 --> 00:10:23,569 There they are by each other. 161 00:10:23,570 --> 00:10:25,130 There's Abby, and there's Libby. 162 00:10:27,870 --> 00:10:31,899 In the short time that Libby was here, she had a passion for life, 163 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:34,229 she wanted to get as much out of it as she could. 164 00:10:34,230 --> 00:10:35,669 She was an adventurer. 165 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:37,399 Like we'd go to a theme park, 166 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,320 she'd want to ride every ride that was out there. 167 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:42,169 Until she got right up to the edge, you know? 168 00:10:42,170 --> 00:10:44,230 And then it was like, "Uh-oh, we got to go." 169 00:10:47,830 --> 00:10:50,629 On Monday, February 13th 2017, 170 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:53,229 the kids had had a long winter break weekend, 171 00:10:53,230 --> 00:10:55,499 so they got Friday through Monday off. 172 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:59,700 Monday ended up being a gorgeous plus 50 degree day. 173 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:07,699 Abby and Libby had stayed over at Libby's house overnight. 174 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:11,699 They came down 9:30, ten o'clock. 175 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:14,799 Libby's sister Kelsey came in 176 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,070 and Libby jumped up and said, "Can she take us to the trails?" 177 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:27,329 They got dropped off a little after one o'clock that afternoon 178 00:11:27,330 --> 00:11:31,200 for, you know, an hour long, picture taking and hike. 179 00:11:32,530 --> 00:11:36,199 The Monon Trail's main feature would be the high bridge. 180 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,369 It's an old railroad bridge. 181 00:11:42,370 --> 00:11:45,170 Um, it hasn't been in service for years. 182 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:49,029 Old, broken railroad ties. 183 00:11:49,030 --> 00:11:50,669 But it is a beautiful spot. 184 00:11:50,670 --> 00:11:53,299 Lots of folks go out for pictures there. 185 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:55,770 A lot of people enjoy it out there. 186 00:11:57,230 --> 00:11:59,330 They started walking the trail. 187 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,669 Libby's dad, Derek, would be able to pick them up hour and a half, 188 00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:12,200 two hours later, around three o'clock that day. 189 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:19,399 When Derek got out to the bridge, 190 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,099 he tried calling and texting 191 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:24,329 because the girls weren't at the immediate pick up spot. 192 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:28,900 And they didn't answer. 193 00:12:31,370 --> 00:12:33,170 Derek called me 194 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,899 and said, "Can you call her 195 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:38,429 and see if she answers for you?" 196 00:12:38,430 --> 00:12:41,899 So I started calling and there was no answer. 197 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:47,869 She doesn't ever not answer her phone. 198 00:12:47,870 --> 00:12:50,830 So I'm like, there's something not right. 199 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:52,799 So we decided, 200 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,969 you know what, we're going to go to the trails. 201 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:57,050 I'm gonna walk the trails and see if we can find her. 202 00:12:59,730 --> 00:13:02,899 Mike come walking up and he had been searching, 203 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:04,770 and I said, "It's going to be dark soon. 204 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,570 We need to call the police." 205 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:17,830 I received a phone call from Becky around 5:30 or six o'clock, 206 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,599 "Abby's missing, 207 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,099 and we're not sure where they are." 208 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:24,729 Near the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, 209 00:13:24,730 --> 00:13:27,099 two Carroll County girls have disappeared. 210 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:30,599 Several law enforcement agencies are looking for them. 211 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,500 And the search will continue. 212 00:13:34,330 --> 00:13:37,729 We kind of made a Facebook post and said, "Hey, if you happen to see 213 00:13:37,730 --> 00:13:40,629 either of these kids, you know, tell them that they're in big trouble. 214 00:13:40,630 --> 00:13:43,350 We're looking for them. They weren't where they were supposed to be." 215 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,169 By that time, I think the local news crew 216 00:13:48,170 --> 00:13:50,699 was starting to show up there because it was dark. 217 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:54,429 We've seen volunteers who don't even know the family 218 00:13:54,430 --> 00:13:56,229 and people walking onto this trail area 219 00:13:56,230 --> 00:14:00,169 over the past hour or so. They are fighting the darkness now, 220 00:14:00,170 --> 00:14:04,769 using flashlights as they continue that search. 221 00:14:04,770 --> 00:14:07,530 Basically, Delphi was lit up with flashlights that night. 222 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:13,469 Well the search was called off around 10:30 or 11 o'clock that night, um... 223 00:14:13,470 --> 00:14:16,729 Officially, they said, "It's getting dark, it's cold, 224 00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:18,399 it's dangerous." 225 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,969 I remember coming home to change clothes 226 00:14:20,970 --> 00:14:23,229 and grabbed her jacket because I knew she didn't have one 227 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:26,769 and she was gonna be cold when she got back to the car. 228 00:14:26,770 --> 00:14:29,169 I remember just thinking, "Well, she's... they'll be back. 229 00:14:29,170 --> 00:14:30,170 They're coming back." 230 00:14:42,370 --> 00:14:44,569 I remember waking up earlier 231 00:14:44,570 --> 00:14:46,300 that next morning, 232 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:50,200 on Valentine's Day 2017. 233 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:51,999 Uh... 234 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,969 It was the first thing that came on the news. 235 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:56,199 The search continues as police try to find 236 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,429 two teenage girls who went missing early yesterday. 237 00:14:59,430 --> 00:15:02,469 There are nearly 200 volunteers working 238 00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:06,329 with police and fire officials and others trying to help. 239 00:15:06,330 --> 00:15:10,099 I jumped in a canoe, with another volunteer fireman, 240 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:13,500 and we floated down all the way into the city of Delphi. 241 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:24,569 A friend of mine come running up to us 242 00:15:24,570 --> 00:15:26,130 and said that they found them. 243 00:15:28,330 --> 00:15:31,169 Her husband was in a group that found them. 244 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:32,669 As I ran up to one of the firemen 245 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:36,569 I said, "You need to take me to Libby, they found her. 246 00:15:36,570 --> 00:15:38,600 She's gonna need us," you know. 247 00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:43,530 As I sat there... 248 00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:46,630 The coroner... 249 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:49,430 The coroner's van 250 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,130 come driving by. 251 00:15:53,070 --> 00:15:56,069 And that's when I realized they were found. 252 00:16:04,830 --> 00:16:05,830 Oh, it was awful. 253 00:16:07,130 --> 00:16:08,700 Everything just stood still. 254 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,569 By the time word had gotten out 255 00:16:15,570 --> 00:16:18,530 that they had been found and they were no longer with us... 256 00:16:22,030 --> 00:16:25,500 Then the rest of it just kind of... was a whirlwind. 257 00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:30,229 It just didn't seem real. 258 00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:31,330 Not to anybody. 259 00:16:46,770 --> 00:16:47,999 Why Libby? 260 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,269 Why Abby? 261 00:16:49,270 --> 00:16:50,500 Why Delphi? 262 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:56,999 Words tend to escape, 263 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,029 during these periods of time, because this is a classic example 264 00:17:01,030 --> 00:17:03,830 and a clear example that evil lives amongst us. 265 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,368 I first became aware of Evansdale not long after. 266 00:17:11,369 --> 00:17:14,000 It was probably two or three days. 267 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:17,499 Similarities I thought were, 268 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:21,199 the girls being, kind of, similar age wise or, 269 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,700 you know, an old trail system. 270 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,069 The terrain looked similar. 271 00:17:28,170 --> 00:17:29,999 It was like looking at our backyard. 272 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,730 It was like looking at where the girls were. 273 00:17:32,670 --> 00:17:34,829 Anytime anybody does things where 274 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:38,629 it's, you know, more than one, takes, you know, two kids, 275 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:40,229 that's where we go, 276 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:43,429 "Could that be a suspect in our case?" 277 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:46,269 We kind of went into overdrive, like, 278 00:17:46,270 --> 00:17:48,730 thinking that could be somebody traveling, doing it. 279 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:52,029 There were a lot of similarities between 280 00:17:52,030 --> 00:17:54,669 the Evansdale and Delphi cases. 281 00:17:54,670 --> 00:17:57,029 But there was one big difference. 282 00:17:57,030 --> 00:18:01,170 And it's a case where they had video footage, audio recording. 283 00:18:05,330 --> 00:18:06,899 There's some cell phone evidence 284 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:09,969 from one of the victims in this Indiana case 285 00:18:09,970 --> 00:18:13,399 where they were able to take a picture 286 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,830 of a guy walking along the trail that they had apparently had encountered. 287 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,469 And there's, um, audio 288 00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:24,999 where you kind of hear part of the guy's voice, 289 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,169 kind of saying something about down the hill. 290 00:18:27,170 --> 00:18:28,929 down the hill. 291 00:18:28,930 --> 00:18:30,669 Down the hill. 292 00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:32,370 Down the hill. 293 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,970 That's the killer on her cell phone footage. 294 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,299 She felt uneasy. 295 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:50,770 I think she was uncomfortable enough 296 00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:55,470 that she decided she wanted to video him. 297 00:18:57,330 --> 00:18:59,429 But it's tough. 298 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,969 Everybody in Indiana dresses like that, 299 00:19:01,970 --> 00:19:05,369 so I don't see anything specific. 300 00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:09,200 As poor as this picture is, somebody knows. 301 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:11,070 And if you're watching... 302 00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:15,830 We'll find you. 303 00:19:17,370 --> 00:19:19,169 He has to be lucky every day. 304 00:19:19,170 --> 00:19:21,399 All we've got to do is be lucky one day. 305 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,370 But for right now, he better keep looking over his shoulder. 306 00:19:29,170 --> 00:19:32,429 Investigators hunting Libby and Abigail's killer 307 00:19:32,430 --> 00:19:37,199 are comparing notes with authorities 400 miles away 308 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,970 in Evansdale, Iowa. 309 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:44,599 As protocol with any investigation of this nature, 310 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,930 we compare to unsolved crimes 311 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,229 throughout the nation. 312 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:51,099 Part of that is the double homicide 313 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:52,669 that occurred in Iowa. 314 00:19:52,670 --> 00:19:54,899 At this time, I can assure you 315 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:57,270 we have spoken with the investigators in Iowa, 316 00:19:57,870 --> 00:19:59,229 and at this point 317 00:19:59,230 --> 00:20:02,869 it does appear to be coincidental that the two cases are similar. 318 00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:07,070 But based on the evidence, we are not able to connect the two cases at this time. 319 00:20:14,030 --> 00:20:19,129 They think, same with ours, where they think it's somebody local. 320 00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:23,469 On that case, they think it's a local Delphi person, too. 321 00:20:23,470 --> 00:20:26,169 It has been very frustrating over the last 322 00:20:26,170 --> 00:20:28,869 five and a half years now to still have nothing 323 00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:33,029 and still not be a whole lot farther, 324 00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:35,970 we feel sometimes, than we were at day one 325 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:39,399 and it just hurts. 326 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,530 It makes you angry. 327 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,799 While the Delphi case was in the early stages of investigation, 328 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,599 back in Evansdale, the impact of having no answers was heavy. 329 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,270 And had had a profound effect on Heather and Drew's relationship. 330 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:13,129 Between Klunder, Altmayer and Delphi. 331 00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:14,869 There was nothing concrete. 332 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:16,599 All right, I'm rolling. 333 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,730 So my first interview with Heather and Drew, they were together. 334 00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:23,369 It's hard because... 335 00:21:23,370 --> 00:21:26,329 It's just been... it's been up and down since, 336 00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:27,700 since the girls have been gone. 337 00:21:29,030 --> 00:21:30,999 A lot of ups and downs, but we're going... 338 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,570 staying together and going through it. 339 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:36,369 A lot of days, he's just kind of down. 340 00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:37,610 We just deal with it different. 341 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,669 So I did two interviews with them, 342 00:21:41,670 --> 00:21:43,829 and then I kind of took time off. 343 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:47,829 And when I reached out to Drew again in 2017, 344 00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:50,629 he just said... Let me know that him and Heather had split 345 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:53,329 and that, uh, you know... 346 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:55,669 I had to film Heather and Drew separately. 347 00:21:55,670 --> 00:21:58,069 - All right, Drew, how's it going? - Good. 348 00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:59,670 Okay, so... 349 00:22:01,130 --> 00:22:03,930 Mark, three rolling. 350 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:09,010 How is the family doing? 351 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:10,869 Um... 352 00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:12,530 A few things have changed. 353 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,670 Um, Drew and I got a divorce. 354 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,400 We were together for 25 years. 355 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:23,829 So to me, just kind of, I don't know, 356 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:25,869 that's all I knew, was him. 357 00:22:25,870 --> 00:22:27,729 So that's been really emotionally mind numbing. 358 00:22:27,730 --> 00:22:29,030 It's just... it's really hard. 359 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:33,730 Everything just went to shit. 360 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,829 Even if it's your wife, it's hard for her to understand 361 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:43,169 how you're going through it or how you're reacting 362 00:22:43,170 --> 00:22:47,300 and for a dad, it's different than a mom. 363 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:54,099 My job, I thought, was try to keep our family afloat. 364 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,970 So I really didn't show much emotion. 365 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:59,369 Drew was a mess. 366 00:22:59,370 --> 00:23:02,669 I didn't, like, hold back my emotions, 367 00:23:02,670 --> 00:23:05,299 like, I don't care. 368 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:08,199 Like, if I lose my shit, I lose my shit. 369 00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:14,200 I started throwing shit, anything I could get my hands on. 370 00:23:16,670 --> 00:23:18,199 I've done a lot of things in anger. 371 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,870 There was one time, I came home, 372 00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:25,069 and everything in my yard got broke 373 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:28,969 in the middle of the night and I just lost my shit. 374 00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:31,169 I mean, completely understandable but I didn't want the kids to see 375 00:23:31,170 --> 00:23:35,969 both of us distraught and not able to do anything, 376 00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:39,299 even though I was like, going crazy inside. 377 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,830 It was just too much for our marriage to work through. 378 00:23:59,630 --> 00:24:02,599 One of the first stories that I wrote about the Evansdale case 379 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,930 was during the five-year anniversary of when they had been abducted. 380 00:24:10,030 --> 00:24:12,629 Even though five years had passed, 381 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:17,399 the case was on everybody's minds in Evansdale. 382 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,900 I mean, there was still ribbons hanging up to rememberLyric and Elizabeth. 383 00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:32,469 Not just in abduction case, but in any case, 384 00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:35,169 time on the front end is your enemy. 385 00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:39,229 The person who committed the crime has more time to recover psychologically, 386 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:41,599 more time to get rid of physical evidence. 387 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,969 At some point, what you see sometimes is the reverse effect, 388 00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:47,770 as time goes on, time may work to your advantage. 389 00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:54,269 It's feasible that whoever did this told somebody some part of it 390 00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:58,030 or relationships change over time, people break up. 391 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:00,299 If there's somebody that does know 392 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:03,129 something about a case, sometimes as time goes by, 393 00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:06,129 they're more likely to come forward and say something. 394 00:25:06,130 --> 00:25:07,630 Time can become your ally. 395 00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:25,669 Belle Plaine, Iowa is a pretty small town. 396 00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:30,799 It's about 2,400 people, and it's just 50 miles south of Evansdale. 397 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,029 So, in the early morning on May 4th, 2018, 398 00:25:35,030 --> 00:25:41,499 Teresa Gerleman goes out and crosses the train track with her son, Henry Fields. 399 00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:51,199 A conductor who was in an oncoming train, 400 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,130 says that he remembers seeing her going onto the track 401 00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:57,069 and then grabbing Henry's arm 402 00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:59,099 and pulling him onto the track as well, 403 00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,430 right before the train hits and kills both of them. 404 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:11,100 Teresa Gerleman committed murder suicide with her son, Henry. 405 00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:12,999 Normally, you know, 406 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,899 I mean, that's just tragic in and of itself. 407 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:18,929 But within, I believe, the first 24 hours, 408 00:26:18,930 --> 00:26:22,430 you know, there was rumblings about connection to the Evansdale case. 409 00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:31,069 What they had learned was that she had been dealing with mental health issues. 410 00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:35,669 She had been going to a local center for people with disabilities. 411 00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:39,229 What Teresa had told some of the staff at the center 412 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:42,729 was that she was hanging out with these guys who said 413 00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:45,769 that they had murdered Lyric and Elizabeth. 414 00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:49,329 And they had given her a six-page letter, 415 00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:51,430 kind of detailing how it happened. 416 00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:56,299 The DCI, they had went 417 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:58,499 to her house after that and searched her house, 418 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,669 and I know they left with, like, a box full of stuff. 419 00:27:00,670 --> 00:27:04,599 But supposedly it was a letter written from somebody, two guys. 420 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,899 I don't know who wrote that letter. 421 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,630 They won't say who wrote that letter. 422 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,529 Most child predators are lone wolves, 423 00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:17,670 so to have possibly multiple people involved is really odd. 424 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,099 If you talked to ten investigators, 425 00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:22,329 you could have ten different opinions 426 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:24,399 and ten different, you know, arguments, 427 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,329 of if it was one person, it was two people, 428 00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:29,169 so I don't think you can take a position 429 00:27:29,170 --> 00:27:31,799 that it had to be two, or could have only been one. 430 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,399 I mean, until you know what happened, 431 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,970 uh, you have to consider both possibilities. 432 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:44,529 In all likelihood, I venture to say one, but possibly two. 433 00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:46,429 We can't rule that out. 434 00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:49,670 I think every single scenario needs to be considered. 435 00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:56,529 They didn't find anything that was new or revelatory in the letter. 436 00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:58,499 So whatever it is, I don't know. 437 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:01,229 Is it something that's a smoking gun? 438 00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:03,929 Or is it something that's... They know is nonsense. 439 00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:05,210 I don't know. They won't tell me. 440 00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:14,669 Today marks six years since hunters found the bodies 441 00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:17,269 of two missing Black Hawk County cousins. 442 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:19,829 Volunteers are helping build a beautiful memorial 443 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:21,969 to remember Elizabeth and Lyric 444 00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:23,700 and other young victims. 445 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,129 This came together with a ton of people helping. 446 00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:29,399 Three... 447 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,569 One. 448 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:31,629 We're open. 449 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:36,929 You know, I ask a lot of questions, 450 00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:39,899 but I don't get a lot of answers when I talk to the police. 451 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:45,229 Eight years running, and it's still an unsolved Evansdale criminal case. 452 00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:49,129 The DCI, they just... they keep everything very quiet, 453 00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:50,730 and they're very good at keeping secrets. 454 00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:54,169 But that doesn't mean they don't have something. 455 00:28:54,170 --> 00:28:56,529 We don't know what they have. 456 00:28:56,530 --> 00:28:59,769 They could have the card in their hand 457 00:28:59,770 --> 00:29:02,830 and they're just waiting for the other cards to match up with it 458 00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:06,199 and solve it. It could be solved Monday, 459 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,600 I don't... Or tomorrow, who knows? 460 00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:13,829 Exactly ten years ago today, 461 00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:17,469 the first reports came in that Lyric and Elizabeth were missing. 462 00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:19,199 And Drew reminds everyone you're invited 463 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,329 to attend the tenth annual ride and drive for the girls. 464 00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:25,069 It's this Saturday morning at Lofty's in Evansdale. 465 00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:28,129 There's still a lot of anger in the community over this. 466 00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:29,229 Somebody knows something 467 00:29:29,230 --> 00:29:30,969 - Yeah. - And they're gonna come forward. 468 00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:36,330 And, you know, I hope it does come out what happened, God willing. 469 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,899 If anything, we're getting stronger 470 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:41,329 and we're not going anywhere. 471 00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:44,099 We're gonna continue to get this case out there, 472 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:48,200 and until it's solved, we want to bring this monster to justice. 473 00:30:11,670 --> 00:30:14,199 What do you want the public to know about what's happened 474 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,129 with the investigation, where it seems to be? 475 00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:20,899 One, it's being actively investigated and two, we're not going anywhere. 476 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:24,569 It's not sitting on a shelf somewhere gathering dust. 477 00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:29,429 We regularly carve out time to investigate this one with our team. 478 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:33,370 We've had 117 tips in the last ten months. 479 00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:46,869 With Klunder specifically, 480 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:51,199 I can't... I can't comment on a decision that wasn't mine to make. 481 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,569 And I'm certainly not gonna go... 482 00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:55,169 It was... I'm not going to say it was a right or wrong decision. 483 00:30:55,170 --> 00:30:57,330 I might have landed at a different place. 484 00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:07,299 There's been three double abductions in Iowa. 485 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,429 The first one was in 1991, which is Michael Klunder. 486 00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:12,129 He goes to prison for 20 years. 487 00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:17,129 He gets out and then there's two double abductions within two years. 488 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:21,600 And as soon as he dies, there's no more double abductions in Iowa. 489 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,669 They came back and said they had no evidence that Klunder was ever here. 490 00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:30,269 But to me, that doesn't mean he didn't do it. 491 00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:33,170 To me, he's the most likely suspect. 492 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,399 If he did come through town 493 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,069 and it was him that seen them ride their bikes? 494 00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:45,370 Absolutely, I think that he would track them to a place where it was secluded. 495 00:31:51,730 --> 00:31:54,329 My instincts are telling me 496 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:56,499 that Michael Klunder could still be good for this. 497 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,299 I'm uneasy with ruling him out. 498 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:03,169 There's too many coincidences between Michael Klunder 499 00:32:03,170 --> 00:32:06,800 and the abduction he committed in Dayton compared to Evansdale. 500 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:09,599 The police have never given us the piece of evidence 501 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,999 that says Michael Klunder didn't do this. 502 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,429 But you know, the way they ruled him out, 503 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:16,269 they said, "We believe he was at home, 504 00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:17,969 or at work." 505 00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:21,699 Michael Klunder worked for a hog confinement company so he would travel 506 00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:25,799 you know, in between hog confinements, possibly one county, 507 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,899 into another county into another county. 508 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:32,029 So if you're saying, you know, we believe he was at home or at work. 509 00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:35,030 I mean, what you're really saying to me is that you don't know where he was. 510 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,229 I would love to hear from DCI 511 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:43,399 how they ruled Michael Klunder out as a suspect. 512 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,269 I think they had some cell phone tracking data or something. 513 00:32:47,270 --> 00:32:50,669 You'd like to say, "Well, this person's cell phone never hit the towers 514 00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:54,169 near anyplace close to where it happened, so therefore they're not there. 515 00:32:54,170 --> 00:32:55,529 Well, that's not necessarily true. 516 00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:57,229 I could have left my cell phone 100 miles from here. 517 00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:59,099 If somebody was going to go commit a crime, 518 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,469 they may intentionally do that for that purpose, 519 00:33:01,470 --> 00:33:04,530 you know, so their phone shows that they're someplace else. 520 00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:08,199 One of the big problems with Klunder was that 521 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,169 they couldn't ever concretely put him in Evansdale 522 00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:12,429 the day the girls went missing, 523 00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:16,069 and that was kind of the reason why they eliminated him 524 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:19,130 as a suspect, at least publicly. 525 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,899 After digging around 526 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,469 I found out that Michael Klunder had served time 527 00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:27,469 with two convicted felons named Troy Conkling, and Chris Ricketts. 528 00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:31,569 Chris Ricketts was convicted of multiple controlled substance violations 529 00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:33,829 and possession of a controlled substance. 530 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:37,669 Troy Conkling was convicted of sexual abuse in the third degree 531 00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:41,769 on an adult woman and burglary in the first degree. 532 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:46,229 Both men were living in Evansdale at the time of the abductions in 2012, 533 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:48,130 after all three men had been released. 534 00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:09,800 That's new information. 535 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,629 This raises a few questions, and I'm not really sure what to believe. 536 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:16,399 If Chris Ricketts is telling the truth, 537 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,999 he is saying that Troy Conkling and Michael Klunder, 538 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,699 were together at the time of the abduction of Elizabeth 539 00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,100 and Lyric in Evansdale, but who knows? 540 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:34,169 Drew wanted to hear Troy Conkling's side of the story. 541 00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:36,070 So he called Conkling's wife. 542 00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:39,999 Hey, what's up, Bobbi? Is Troy doing anything? 543 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,770 Is there any way he would talk to me tonight? 544 00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:45,100 Yeah. 545 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,669 Well, I mean, you guys got kids. 546 00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:59,069 You can understand where I'm coming from. 547 00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:02,929 I'm just... I'm just trying to... I've been waiting and waiting, 548 00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:04,829 and I'm just done waiting. 549 00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:07,169 I just wanna... kind of... 550 00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:08,570 Yeah, absolutely. 551 00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:11,169 It would be fine to just do a phone call 552 00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:13,130 if you would just call me and I could talk to him? 553 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,530 Okay. Bye bye. Thanks.-Bye bye. 554 00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:32,129 I can hide my phone in my shirt, too, or no? 555 00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:34,969 - Yeah. - 'Cause that's pretty obvious, a camera. 556 00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:36,169 Look at that. 557 00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:37,899 Isn't that fucking stupid? 558 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:39,929 A lot of people carry their phones like that, though. 559 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:40,930 Okay. 560 00:36:40,931 --> 00:36:43,529 All right, so we're gonna just run through this. 561 00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:49,529 Let's see. Like we got about six foot space here and, like, four foot here. 562 00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:51,799 - This is as close as I think we'll get. - Mm-hmm. 563 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,729 If he's there, I'll kind of try to angle to this side a little bit. 564 00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:57,269 Kind of put in your chest cavity right here. 565 00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:58,830 Yeah, that should be good. 566 00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:02,099 Let's find another shirt. 567 00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:16,599 One chance to do this. 568 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,269 That's what makes me nervous about this. 569 00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:19,929 Like I don't want to scare him off. 570 00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:22,429 I want to keep him talking. 571 00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:26,829 So I don't want to, like, come out right away and say 572 00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:29,669 anything that's gonna make him shut down. 573 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:33,499 I want to keep him going, but I think it's gonna be... 574 00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,199 I think he's going to close down right away. 575 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,530 That's my guess. 576 00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:44,800 So I'm gonna park right... 577 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:48,370 - Um, here, here. - Yeah. 578 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:53,900 Straight ahead. 579 00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:56,029 I'm gonna go meet him. 580 00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:58,129 You're recording on your phone, right, Drew? 581 00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:59,930 - Yep. - Okay. 582 00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:05,600 Holy shit. 583 00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:12,970 Troy. 584 00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:17,269 - What's up, man? - Hello. 585 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:19,599 - Who are you? Who are you? - Drew. 586 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,329 Drew Collins. 587 00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:23,200 - I don't remember you. - You're Troy? 588 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:28,029 - Yeah, I'm Troy. - I'm Elizabeth's dad. 589 00:38:28,030 --> 00:38:30,170 - Elizabeth? - Elizabeth Collins. 590 00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:37,429 You talking about the girls in Evansdale? 591 00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:41,370 - Yeah. - Oh, yeah. The cops think it's fucking, um... 592 00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:44,330 Uh... 593 00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:47,729 Colombian, no, not Colombian. Mexican cartel. 594 00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:50,099 - You think? - That's what they told me. 595 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,329 Well, I think it's Klunder. 596 00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:52,899 Michael Klunder's dead. 597 00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:54,499 Well, I know, but I think he did it. 598 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:55,770 I think so, too. 599 00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:58,229 I did five years with him. 600 00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:59,700 He's a fucking weirdo. 601 00:39:00,470 --> 00:39:01,470 Um... 602 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:05,699 Did he ever come to Evansdale? 603 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:08,499 I have no clue on that. Uh... 604 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:11,169 - Do you know Chris Ricketts? - Yes, I know, Chris. 605 00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:13,869 Okay, he said that Klunder 606 00:39:13,870 --> 00:39:17,729 and you called him from town. 607 00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:20,499 And then Klunder talked to him on the cell phone. 608 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,830 You guys are trying to hang out with Chris or something. 609 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:26,729 Like you guys called him and you're like, "Hey, Klunder is here." 610 00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:28,069 No. 611 00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:30,729 No. Hell no, because Klunder never... I was never around Klunder. 612 00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:33,129 Because he said Klunder was with you that day, 613 00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:35,129 that he talked to Klunder with your phone. 614 00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:37,769 I called Klunder from my mom's house, 615 00:39:37,770 --> 00:39:42,399 when I lived in Evansdale. And then I seen Ricketts at Walmart. 616 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,829 But I never used... 617 00:39:45,830 --> 00:39:47,499 I never let... Uh-uh. 618 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:48,669 Hell, no. 619 00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:50,829 - He never talked to you about coming up here? - No. 620 00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:52,000 Not to visit or anything? 621 00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:54,169 - Fuck. - No. 622 00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:58,669 Like I said, when the cops pulled me in, it was to ask me about it. 623 00:39:58,670 --> 00:40:03,069 I was like, um, "Last time I talked to him was at my phone at my mom's house. 624 00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:04,369 "If you want, you can pull the records." 625 00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:05,569 "Well, that takes too long." I was like, "Yeah, 626 00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:07,269 "but you're accusing me, so why don't you fucking do it?" 627 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:08,799 Because they had me in there three times. 628 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,070 Oh, okay. Is there a reason you thought Klunder did it? 629 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,029 Klunder has priors for that. 630 00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:16,030 Yeah. 631 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:19,369 Dude, it's been ten years. 632 00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:21,269 - I just want to find out who killed my kid. - Yeah. 633 00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:26,929 And if it is Klunder, then I just want to be able to, 634 00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,670 you know, put that to rest. 635 00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:31,469 Do you think he did our girls or not? 636 00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:35,129 Yes, that's... that's my own opinion. 637 00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:36,600 But yes. 638 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,429 - Yeah? - By himself? 639 00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:43,829 - No. Like I said... - Who would he come up here 640 00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:47,229 - to do that with? - Trust me, there's a lot of weirdos out... 641 00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:49,729 - And then you get into prison. - But you think he could have just 642 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:52,600 - come here with somebody else or? - I don't know. 643 00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:55,569 - Uh... - Well, I appreciate you talking to me. 644 00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:57,429 Yeah, no problem. 645 00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:58,710 Now they're walking back. 646 00:41:00,370 --> 00:41:01,829 I'm not feeling so good. 647 00:41:01,830 --> 00:41:07,399 So... If you catch, like, a stomach flu or something, I apologize. 648 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,270 Oh, all right. Good talking to you, man. 649 00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:19,470 All right... 650 00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:23,410 Well, at least he talked to me. 651 00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:29,530 But as far as he says, that phone call with Ricketts never happened. 652 00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:32,670 The next question is, should we call Chris? 653 00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:34,670 I will. 654 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:46,529 He'll answer. 655 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:48,269 - Drew. - What's up? 656 00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:49,899 What are you doing? 657 00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:54,729 Nothing. I just went and I caught Troy out of his house 658 00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:57,469 and I went and recorded our conversation with him.-Oh. 659 00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:58,799 What'd he say? 660 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,969 He said that him and Klunder did not call you. 661 00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:03,830 No, no, no, no. I met them both. 662 00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:09,029 - Where? - Right down the street from your house, pretty much. 663 00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:10,199 Right in Evansdale. 664 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,869 - I can't remember exactly where... - So he was there? 665 00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:14,469 Yeah, I've seen him face to face. 666 00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:16,399 The only time I've ever seen him out of prison, you know? 667 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,699 Klunder had just been out within the year or two or whatever. 668 00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:21,499 So that's why I was kind of wondering why he was up there. 669 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,229 I know I seen them two together. 670 00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:24,599 I don't know when, what time. 671 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,299 But I know it was, you know, in the neighborhood of your house. 672 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:28,799 That's the only time I had seen him. 673 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,799 I know, I know.-I just remember seeing Klunder and shaking his hand. 674 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,300 The police have never talked to you? 675 00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:35,399 No, why would they? 676 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,269 Well, that's pretty big, dude. 677 00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:41,299 Oh, I know it is now, but in hindsight, why would they have talked to me before? 678 00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,229 All right, man. Do you care if I use this audio? 679 00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:45,469 Are you recording me? 680 00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:47,999 I always record you.-Why? 681 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,629 I'm wired like the FBI, man. 682 00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:52,430 - All right. Later, bud. - Okay, bye. 683 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,199 - Hello? - Drew, what's going on? 684 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,069 So, it's been a couple of days. 685 00:43:09,070 --> 00:43:10,569 I mean, were you surprised? 686 00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:14,499 I mean, I was surprised that Chris was never questioned by law enforcement. 687 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:15,729 Yep. 688 00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:18,630 If what Chris Ricketts is saying... If his story 689 00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:21,669 is 100% true, 690 00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:25,529 that means he's shaking hands with Michael Klunder in Evansdale. 691 00:43:25,530 --> 00:43:28,169 What would you think would have happened 692 00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:30,169 if Michael Klunder was in Evansdale? 693 00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:32,699 Then definitely Klunder did it. 694 00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:36,129 I mean, Michael Klunder is a fricking animal, dude. 695 00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:39,430 The fact that he's even saw the light of day is a crime. 696 00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:45,129 Troy Conkling denied ever meeting Michael Klunder in Evansdale, 697 00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:49,429 but Chris Ricketts said he shook Klunder's hands somewhere in Evansdale. 698 00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:52,299 These two conflicting stories could provide a new lead. 699 00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,469 For police to investigate. 700 00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:57,229 If Michael Klunder was in the area around the time of Lyric 701 00:43:57,230 --> 00:44:00,670 and Elizabeth's abduction, it could be a game changer. 702 00:44:02,130 --> 00:44:05,999 It might even be the major break that could help close this case 703 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,070 and finally give these families some peace. 704 00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:30,569 I don't think all of us have been together 705 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,170 since the... Probably Lyric's funeral. 706 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:35,870 So... 707 00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:37,470 Ten years later. 708 00:44:38,530 --> 00:44:40,529 Some people are a little apprehensive, 709 00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:42,569 but we'll just see how it goes with everybody. 710 00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:45,500 I'm not angry at anybody really anymore. 711 00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:50,329 I love Heather. 712 00:44:50,330 --> 00:44:51,400 I miss her. 713 00:44:54,930 --> 00:45:00,069 She kind of, like, just kind of cut us off from the whole family. 714 00:45:00,070 --> 00:45:02,900 Losing the girls really just blew us all apart. 715 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,269 You know, when your world is coming down around you and you're helpless 716 00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:12,229 and you can't do anything about it, you do and say things 717 00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:15,270 that you normally probably wouldn't. 718 00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:20,399 Before Lyric and Elizabeth happened, it was, like, so important 719 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,529 to, like, be together for, like, family holidays 720 00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:25,899 and for us kids to all spend time together 721 00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,829 and know each other and be really close. 722 00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:31,069 ♪ Ring around the roses ♪ 723 00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:34,869 And after it happened, everybody really like 724 00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:38,870 took their own road to, like, trying to cope. 725 00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:44,369 We've tried to mend our ways 726 00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:49,829 and, you know, engage together, but it just doesn't seem to work. 727 00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:53,500 All right, we're coming up on the cemetery right here. 728 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,099 It's just weird to come out here, for me. 729 00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:02,200 You shouldn't be visiting your eight-year-old daughter here. 730 00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:11,400 Ooh, I love your outfits. 731 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,599 - Hi, Mama. - Hi, Mama. 732 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,070 Hi, Mama. 733 00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:28,229 I just wanted to get everybody together, 734 00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:29,830 like, no matter what our differences are, 735 00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:32,129 or what's happened, like, 736 00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:35,099 the girls are way more important and bigger than all that. 737 00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:37,170 It's been ten years, we need to come together. 738 00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:39,529 Yeah. 739 00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:45,529 Heavenly Father, thank you for bringing the group of people around us today 740 00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:50,329 to hopefully solve something that's been going on for nearly ten years. 741 00:46:50,330 --> 00:46:53,670 We miss Lizzie and Lyric, they suffer no more. 742 00:47:09,730 --> 00:47:12,630 Look, there's my daughter. 743 00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:15,700 Isn't she pretty? 744 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:20,130 Hummingbird. 745 00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:25,930 It's my first time here. 746 00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:29,570 Do you know that? 747 00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:38,600 - Hey, guys, we're gonna walk down to Lizzie's. - Okay. 748 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,270 Put them down in there, Mom, or do you want me to do it for you? 749 00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:58,830 Hi, Mom. 750 00:48:10,070 --> 00:48:11,199 You think of what they'd be doing. 751 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,699 She would have been graduating. 752 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,729 Like what she would have picked for a prom dress. 753 00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:17,299 I'm sure lots of glitter. 754 00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:19,499 Would she have been in volleyball with all her other friends 755 00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:23,699 and what kind of car she could have talked her dad into getting, you know? 756 00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:25,729 Right, Drew? 757 00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:27,100 She had a wonderful smile. 758 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,430 Just lit up the room. 759 00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:35,329 I just don't understand it. 760 00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:38,229 Understand why, I don't understand how, I don't understand anything. 761 00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:39,529 We just gotta move on, you know? 762 00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:40,800 And that's hard. 763 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,799 But at the same time, we just got to understand 764 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,499 that, you know, we're gonna see them again, 765 00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:52,129 and that's why my faith and my belief, so just gotta come together, be stronger. 766 00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:54,930 Just gonna let them be something that tears us apart? 767 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,630 Say, Daddy, I miss you. 768 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,669 Hi, Mommy! 769 00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:19,869 I love you! 770 00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:21,800 I love you, by the way.