1 00:00:11,594 --> 00:00:14,848 Wait, Christine, wait. I'm gonna get you from the front too. 2 00:00:14,931 --> 00:00:16,599 -Okay. -I got it from the back. 3 00:00:16,683 --> 00:00:18,309 All right, this looks good. 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,150 In 2016, 5 00:00:25,233 --> 00:00:29,404 my husband and I moved to Short Creek on the Utah-Arizona border. 6 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:34,034 It's the fundamentalist Mormon version of Mecca. 7 00:00:36,286 --> 00:00:38,747 -You have a call from… -Warren Jeffs. 8 00:00:39,914 --> 00:00:42,000 You may start the conversation now. 9 00:00:42,083 --> 00:00:46,004 At the time, their prophet, Warren Jeffs, was in prison. 10 00:00:46,087 --> 00:00:49,966 Guilty of two counts of felony sexual assault against two girls. 11 00:00:51,426 --> 00:00:53,803 We heard how dangerous this town was. 12 00:00:53,887 --> 00:00:58,558 We heard it was the most reclusive, isolated town in America. 13 00:00:58,641 --> 00:01:00,602 Warren Jeffs may be in prison, 14 00:01:00,685 --> 00:01:03,354 but he's apparently still very much in charge. 15 00:01:03,438 --> 00:01:05,231 Jeffs led the polygamous sect, 16 00:01:05,315 --> 00:01:07,692 the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-day Saints. 17 00:01:09,194 --> 00:01:13,490 But I felt drawn to come here to help these people. 18 00:01:14,949 --> 00:01:17,035 And they said, "We don't need outsider help." 19 00:01:17,118 --> 00:01:18,411 You're trespassing. 20 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:21,831 Well, guess what? Yes, they did. 21 00:01:22,415 --> 00:01:24,042 Yes, they fucking did. 22 00:01:25,043 --> 00:01:29,798 People who think this story came to an end with Warren going to prison are wrong. 23 00:01:30,381 --> 00:01:35,386 They've left a very vulnerable population wide open to predators. 24 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:37,597 We didn't know who we could trust. 25 00:01:38,389 --> 00:01:43,728 Sam Bateman saw himself being an heir apparent to Warren Jeffs. 26 00:01:44,687 --> 00:01:46,397 That tells you all you need to know. 27 00:01:47,273 --> 00:01:50,485 Predators don't come in dressed with their horns and their cape. 28 00:01:50,568 --> 00:01:52,862 They come in dressed in their suit and tie. 29 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:54,906 The only reason I'm rich 30 00:01:54,989 --> 00:01:57,158 is Heavenly Father blessed me with these girls. 31 00:01:57,242 --> 00:01:59,536 Everybody wants to jump in, huh? 32 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:00,954 He said, 33 00:02:01,037 --> 00:02:04,082 "Are you having temptations to report Samuel to the law?" 34 00:02:04,165 --> 00:02:05,041 What? 35 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:07,335 Tolga, we have to… I have to turn this tape in. 36 00:02:07,418 --> 00:02:09,879 We're the only ones in, so we gotta get in more. 37 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:13,174 Yeah, face the curtain. Nice. Stay that way a little bit. 38 00:02:14,008 --> 00:02:16,136 I wasn't there to betray them. 39 00:02:16,219 --> 00:02:18,763 I don't know if it's traitors or what. 40 00:02:18,847 --> 00:02:21,391 I was there to save them. 41 00:02:21,891 --> 00:02:25,395 This is the police! I want your hands above your head! 42 00:02:27,313 --> 00:02:28,731 Are you a prophet? 43 00:02:31,192 --> 00:02:33,611 I would be a liar if I said I wasn't. 44 00:03:33,213 --> 00:03:34,088 Go ahead. 45 00:03:36,049 --> 00:03:37,050 Here we go. 46 00:03:41,137 --> 00:03:42,972 There she goes. 47 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:46,601 There we go. 48 00:03:54,776 --> 00:03:57,278 We're basically moving to the Crick. 49 00:03:57,362 --> 00:04:00,281 I mean, it is absolutely crazy out here. 50 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:04,452 Especially for me. I'm a record producer. What the hell am I doing out here? 51 00:04:08,581 --> 00:04:10,750 There we are. We're moving in. 52 00:04:10,833 --> 00:04:12,252 Colorado City. 53 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:13,253 Gloves off. 54 00:04:18,341 --> 00:04:20,134 Okay, it's makeshift, okay? 55 00:04:21,302 --> 00:04:23,429 We gave up the life of comfort. 56 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:29,269 For the life among the polygamists. 57 00:04:35,358 --> 00:04:36,567 Go this way. 58 00:04:36,651 --> 00:04:38,236 I'm gonna walk this way. 59 00:04:38,861 --> 00:04:42,198 -Tolga, you go this way. -I'm gonna do ten different shots. 60 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:44,075 Stop. 61 00:04:47,161 --> 00:04:48,621 When we got here, 62 00:04:48,705 --> 00:04:50,957 we felt like we were in the Wild, Wild West. 63 00:04:52,250 --> 00:04:55,503 There were no outsiders here. I mean, there was maybe one other outside family. 64 00:04:55,586 --> 00:04:57,005 That I knew of. 65 00:04:57,588 --> 00:04:59,924 Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. 66 00:05:00,425 --> 00:05:05,096 My husband Tolga is a music video producer and a photographer. 67 00:05:06,514 --> 00:05:10,852 And so of course, when we moved to this town, he wanted to document it. 68 00:05:12,854 --> 00:05:13,896 Hold on. 69 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:14,981 So… 70 00:05:15,064 --> 00:05:18,568 This is where the FLDS community gets their food supplies. 71 00:05:18,651 --> 00:05:20,695 It's not just FLDS. A lot of people come here. 72 00:05:20,778 --> 00:05:24,532 Well, that's true. Right. A lot of people come here. Including… myself. 73 00:05:26,784 --> 00:05:28,494 When Christine came along, 74 00:05:28,578 --> 00:05:31,164 everybody was leery of her 75 00:05:31,247 --> 00:05:34,459 because nobody knew what she was about. 76 00:05:34,542 --> 00:05:37,712 We always had people looking at us like we were a freak show. 77 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:42,175 So there was a lot of speculation among our people 78 00:05:42,258 --> 00:05:47,055 that they were just here to do something for TV or write a book or something. 79 00:05:47,889 --> 00:05:49,557 We're documenting it all. 80 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:53,394 They were a very eccentric couple, and it was very odd. 81 00:05:54,437 --> 00:05:55,563 He was from Turkey, 82 00:05:55,646 --> 00:05:58,191 and he had long hair with a little ponytail, 83 00:05:58,274 --> 00:06:01,652 and she was like a little blonde… 84 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:03,404 …like, Hollywood girl. 85 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:07,283 She wore a lot of vintage clothing, 86 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:09,160 which I thought was darling. 87 00:06:11,704 --> 00:06:14,707 But I didn't know for sure why she was here. 88 00:06:15,833 --> 00:06:17,543 Nobody has to buy water here. 89 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:18,961 It's so beautiful to come up here. 90 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:22,548 -It's not work. It's like… inspiration. -Yeah, I know. It's true. 91 00:06:22,632 --> 00:06:25,760 I felt a sense of calling 92 00:06:26,511 --> 00:06:28,137 that I wanted to move here. 93 00:06:32,392 --> 00:06:35,019 Long ago, I used to be Mormon. 94 00:06:35,895 --> 00:06:37,355 I was mainstream Mormon, 95 00:06:37,438 --> 00:06:42,485 but I was absolutely zealous and devoted. 96 00:06:45,113 --> 00:06:46,989 Mormons believe in prophets. 97 00:06:47,073 --> 00:06:53,371 And I met a man who persuaded me that he was a modern-day prophet. 98 00:06:55,123 --> 00:06:58,251 And I decided, if this man was a prophet, 99 00:06:58,334 --> 00:07:00,586 I was going to be completely obedient. 100 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:05,049 I had to do what he said or risk my soul. 101 00:07:07,176 --> 00:07:10,471 Little by little, I got more confused, 102 00:07:10,555 --> 00:07:13,433 and I lost my critical thinking. 103 00:07:15,017 --> 00:07:16,811 Before I knew it, 104 00:07:16,894 --> 00:07:18,646 I was so broken. 105 00:07:18,729 --> 00:07:20,940 I didn't even know who I was anymore. 106 00:07:22,817 --> 00:07:25,278 So I then spent the next decade 107 00:07:25,361 --> 00:07:28,906 reading everything I could about cults. 108 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:34,579 I became an expert in cult psychology. 109 00:07:37,748 --> 00:07:42,628 I believed that every single person who was FLDS needed to be rescued 110 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:47,008 from irrational cultic beliefs and brainwashing. 111 00:07:48,843 --> 00:07:51,220 But I felt connected to these people. 112 00:07:51,888 --> 00:07:55,933 So all of this made me believe 113 00:07:56,684 --> 00:07:58,269 that I could be helpful here. 114 00:08:00,897 --> 00:08:02,440 And when I got here, 115 00:08:02,523 --> 00:08:05,735 I learned that the FLDS were floundering. 116 00:08:08,070 --> 00:08:11,407 In the aftermath of Warren Jeffs's incarceration, 117 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:14,327 the community has really been fraying and fragmenting. 118 00:08:16,871 --> 00:08:20,208 Warren Jeffs wound up in a prison down in Texas. 119 00:08:20,291 --> 00:08:22,043 He's been there a long time. 120 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:28,007 But I've been around the story long enough to know incarcerating Warren 121 00:08:28,090 --> 00:08:30,426 would do nothing to diminish his power. 122 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:38,684 Having him in prison doesn't change what he is. 123 00:08:38,768 --> 00:08:42,605 You know, Heavenly Father hasn't appointed another to be the prophet. 124 00:08:42,688 --> 00:08:45,483 So as far as we're concerned, he's still the prophet. 125 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:50,488 -Do you know what happened in that trial? -I don't want to know anything about it. 126 00:08:50,571 --> 00:08:52,532 You don't want to know anything about it? How come? 127 00:08:52,615 --> 00:08:53,533 Just don't want to. 128 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:56,827 I shut myself off to that negative about him, I-- 129 00:08:56,911 --> 00:09:00,122 -You don't believe it's true? -I know it's not true. 130 00:09:02,124 --> 00:09:06,087 Warren Jeffs became more powerful because he's now a martyr. 131 00:09:07,046 --> 00:09:10,591 And from his prison in Texas, he would put out edicts. 132 00:09:10,675 --> 00:09:14,845 Behold that which you hear, the revelations of God. 133 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:17,932 He told his congregation, "No more marriages." 134 00:09:18,432 --> 00:09:20,059 He told them to stop having sex. 135 00:09:20,142 --> 00:09:23,145 Because he's not having any sort of intimate contact, 136 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:24,647 apparently nobody else could. 137 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:31,445 We weren't supposed to be getting married. 138 00:09:31,529 --> 00:09:34,031 We couldn't have marital relations. 139 00:09:34,699 --> 00:09:38,077 Even with your husband, then we didn't hug anymore. 140 00:09:38,744 --> 00:09:41,747 We've been taught our whole lives that not one year should go by 141 00:09:41,831 --> 00:09:43,457 without a child being born. 142 00:09:44,208 --> 00:09:46,377 And now there were no more children. 143 00:09:47,169 --> 00:09:48,504 Nobody was having babies. 144 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,467 Oh my gosh. 145 00:09:53,551 --> 00:09:54,844 Look at these cribs. 146 00:09:54,927 --> 00:09:58,598 Holy mackerel. This is where they took all the cribs and bassinets 147 00:09:58,681 --> 00:10:00,933 after you couldn't have children anymore. 148 00:10:01,851 --> 00:10:05,563 There are just hundreds and hundreds of FLDS cribs in here. 149 00:10:06,355 --> 00:10:07,356 Wow. 150 00:10:13,195 --> 00:10:16,741 You have a group of people who are paralyzed, 151 00:10:17,742 --> 00:10:19,994 waiting for their leader to be released from prison, 152 00:10:20,077 --> 00:10:21,996 not knowing what the right steps are to do. 153 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:25,249 And around 2015, 154 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:29,670 Warren seemed to be getting more mentally unstable, 155 00:10:29,754 --> 00:10:33,507 and he stopped communicating with almost everyone outside of prison. 156 00:10:36,719 --> 00:10:38,804 And then in 2016, 157 00:10:39,764 --> 00:10:41,849 the outside government came in 158 00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:47,772 and took control of the town away from the FLDS and Warren Jeffs. 159 00:10:48,606 --> 00:10:51,442 The court sort of took control of the entire community. 160 00:10:53,152 --> 00:10:54,820 The prophet was gone. 161 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:57,782 We weren't getting directive. 162 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:01,911 We were a very, very vulnerable 163 00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:05,331 and hungry… people. 164 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:18,636 When we got to Short Creek, 165 00:11:18,719 --> 00:11:22,098 we began to see what the FLDS were going through. 166 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:31,399 We started seeing endless moving trailers 167 00:11:31,482 --> 00:11:33,317 packing up and leaving town. 168 00:11:35,528 --> 00:11:39,031 We learned that, when the town had been taken over by the state of Utah, 169 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:42,618 the FLDS started being evicted from their homes. 170 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:43,828 I need you off the property. 171 00:11:43,911 --> 00:11:45,621 I'm not gonna be off the property. 172 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:48,833 -Okay, then I'll call the police. -I want you to kick me out of my home. 173 00:11:48,916 --> 00:11:52,128 Because in order for them to stay in their homes, 174 00:11:52,211 --> 00:11:54,797 they had to sign a document 175 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,967 that they believed was a violation of their religion. 176 00:11:58,050 --> 00:11:59,760 Take a picture of this. 177 00:11:59,844 --> 00:12:01,262 This is an eviction 178 00:12:01,345 --> 00:12:03,973 of somebody who was just evicted last week, 179 00:12:04,056 --> 00:12:08,060 moved over temporarily into this house. 180 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:11,355 So, Tolga and I just started documenting these things. 181 00:12:11,439 --> 00:12:13,733 Do you need help? Can we help him? Do you need help? 182 00:12:13,816 --> 00:12:16,110 I don't know what's going on, but this looks really wrong. 183 00:12:16,193 --> 00:12:17,653 I feel bad for these people. 184 00:12:18,154 --> 00:12:21,240 This was my great-grandfather Elmer's homestead. 185 00:12:24,910 --> 00:12:26,579 It's just totally heartless. 186 00:12:27,663 --> 00:12:29,915 We just saw what I felt was injustice, 187 00:12:29,999 --> 00:12:33,210 and no one cared because they were FLDS 188 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:37,214 and had been painted with the crimes of Warren Jeffs. 189 00:12:40,134 --> 00:12:41,761 So, we thought, 190 00:12:41,844 --> 00:12:45,681 well, maybe we could do a documentary and tell the other side of the story 191 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:48,768 of these FLDS people because they're so stigmatized. 192 00:12:48,851 --> 00:12:50,644 Okay, that's rolling. 193 00:12:50,728 --> 00:12:53,481 And this is rolling. Oh, I'm not rolling yet. 194 00:12:53,981 --> 00:12:55,441 I have to do this, so… 195 00:12:56,609 --> 00:12:58,611 it syncs to audio on both cameras. 196 00:13:00,237 --> 00:13:03,866 We wanted to help people understand the positive side of the community. 197 00:13:03,949 --> 00:13:06,076 You look like you're going on a safari. 198 00:13:07,077 --> 00:13:09,955 -What's with the hat? -I wanted to look like a producer. 199 00:13:10,539 --> 00:13:11,832 Okay, Tolga, I'm gonna do it. 200 00:13:11,916 --> 00:13:14,126 Let's do a little orientation, um, real quick. 201 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:15,127 Okay, do it. 202 00:13:15,211 --> 00:13:19,381 Okay. So, if he's filming, if you see Tolga with a camera, 203 00:13:20,049 --> 00:13:22,843 then don't call his name and don't call my name. 204 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:26,806 We wanna show the regular life. We wanna show the truth. 205 00:13:26,889 --> 00:13:30,226 It took us a while to totally trust, 206 00:13:30,309 --> 00:13:33,145 but she really knew how to get into people's hearts 207 00:13:33,229 --> 00:13:34,396 and put 'em at ease. 208 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:39,109 So, the FLDS people consider themselves to be like the real Mormons, right? 209 00:13:39,193 --> 00:13:44,448 Yeah, we just feel like that we wanna live it fundamentally, in its purity. 210 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:45,825 -Yeah, okay. -And… 211 00:13:45,908 --> 00:13:47,701 I didn't know about her backstory. 212 00:13:47,785 --> 00:13:49,787 I didn't know anything about her ventriloquism. 213 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:52,081 Happy birthday to you. 214 00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:55,501 I happen to be a ventriloquist. 215 00:13:55,584 --> 00:13:58,462 By the way, this is Zucchini. She's my scarecrow. 216 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:00,923 I'm not just a scarecrow. 217 00:14:01,006 --> 00:14:03,175 I'm half scarecrow, half cookie. 218 00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:04,927 Oh yeah… 219 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:07,596 Before I moved here, I lived a very colorful life. 220 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:09,723 I had all kinds of adventures. 221 00:14:09,807 --> 00:14:12,643 Miss Michigan, Christine Marie. 222 00:14:14,770 --> 00:14:17,314 I am a former Miss Michigan, 223 00:14:18,232 --> 00:14:19,400 an escape artist, 224 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,945 a certified life coach. 225 00:14:23,821 --> 00:14:25,239 We're gonna make vowel babies. 226 00:14:25,823 --> 00:14:26,907 I love these. 227 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:30,119 So, what you do is cut out two pieces of fabric. 228 00:14:30,619 --> 00:14:34,582 When I met Christine, she had a TV show called Gingerbread House, 229 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,001 and she was teaching kindergarten. 230 00:14:38,377 --> 00:14:40,880 I've never met anybody like her in my life. 231 00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:44,592 I would catch her doing crazy stuff, helping out people. 232 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:46,844 Dean is here. 233 00:14:47,428 --> 00:14:50,097 He collected up a bunch of donations for our community. 234 00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:51,098 Yeah, we got… 235 00:14:51,181 --> 00:14:53,183 As we were making the documentary, 236 00:14:53,267 --> 00:14:57,104 I also launched a nonprofit called Voices for Dignity. 237 00:14:57,938 --> 00:15:00,649 We would bring comfort bags and resource lists. 238 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:03,110 And these are all new backpacks and duffel bags. 239 00:15:03,193 --> 00:15:05,029 You're kidding. Woo! 240 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:10,200 We needed a way for the women to have an income, 241 00:15:10,784 --> 00:15:14,330 so Christine created Short Creek Cottage, 242 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,124 where we'd sell homemade items. 243 00:15:17,958 --> 00:15:20,085 Oh, that's adorable. 244 00:15:20,169 --> 00:15:23,422 I don't know how I would have survived without this cottage. 245 00:15:23,505 --> 00:15:25,382 Yeah, let's do… let's do it with energy. 246 00:15:26,383 --> 00:15:28,260 I had gained their trust. 247 00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:36,852 I thought, what an honor and unique position it was for me. 248 00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:38,646 -How'd you get down? Tell Tolga. -I landed. 249 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:41,899 -I had to. -How did you get down? 250 00:15:41,982 --> 00:15:46,779 I decided whether people leave the church or don't, I want them to be okay. 251 00:15:47,404 --> 00:15:51,408 And that I would never say anything negative about their prophet, 252 00:15:51,492 --> 00:15:55,579 because I have the unique opportunity to help people. 253 00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:59,166 Why would they come to somebody fighting against their way of life? 254 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:06,048 Wait one second, Christine, wait. 255 00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:09,009 You can turn that one on. Hold on. Wait, guys. 256 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:14,807 We were very excited about this documentary project we were making. 257 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:16,934 I'm getting video. 258 00:16:17,601 --> 00:16:18,686 By this point, 259 00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:21,647 it was just known that Tolga's around with a camera. 260 00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:24,566 Tolga! He's got a big lookin' camera! 261 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:28,821 He's video-ing everyone Around the world too! 262 00:16:32,157 --> 00:16:34,410 And that's how we met Sam Bateman. 263 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:35,953 Hey, Christine. 264 00:16:37,663 --> 00:16:39,081 -Come right through here. -Okay. 265 00:16:39,164 --> 00:16:41,542 -I'll push all this out of the way. -Okay, thanks. 266 00:16:42,251 --> 00:16:43,419 All right. Got it. 267 00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:44,712 In the community, 268 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:48,757 Sam was not generally a man with status. 269 00:16:49,466 --> 00:16:51,260 I don't mind doing things that 270 00:16:52,219 --> 00:16:54,847 could break my leg or something if I wasn't careful. 271 00:16:56,098 --> 00:17:00,060 When I first met Sam Bateman, I didn't think much about him. 272 00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:01,353 He had got an eviction notice. 273 00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:04,982 And he asked me to help, 274 00:17:05,691 --> 00:17:06,692 which I did. 275 00:17:10,779 --> 00:17:13,949 At that time, he said, "I'm not doing very well." 276 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:15,826 "I am in financially dire straits." 277 00:17:18,203 --> 00:17:20,164 He and his wife were getting a divorce, 278 00:17:20,956 --> 00:17:22,624 and he was a broken man. 279 00:17:24,126 --> 00:17:27,004 People thought of Sam Bateman as kind of a shlub. 280 00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:31,008 He could never seem to make money at his jobs. 281 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:35,220 He was looking for, you know, a lifeline. 282 00:17:40,601 --> 00:17:42,936 I didn't see him for some time. 283 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,982 And then Sam reappears with a new wife. 284 00:17:47,983 --> 00:17:49,568 Okay. All better. There you are. 285 00:17:49,651 --> 00:17:51,987 Over 18, but young and beautiful. 286 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:53,280 Where should I look? 287 00:17:53,363 --> 00:17:55,240 You can just look at him or Christine. 288 00:17:55,741 --> 00:17:56,658 Look at me. 289 00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:59,203 Keep in mind, people are not getting married 290 00:17:59,286 --> 00:18:01,705 because the prophet stopped marrying people. 291 00:18:02,539 --> 00:18:04,500 -I have… -Is it an iPhone? 292 00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:06,710 I remember thinking, "That's interesting." 293 00:18:07,252 --> 00:18:09,421 How did Sam get a new wife, you know? 294 00:18:09,505 --> 00:18:13,258 You know, somebody's… been doing something that 295 00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:16,887 wasn't put together by the prophet. 296 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:19,181 -What background do you want? That? -This one. 297 00:18:19,264 --> 00:18:20,516 -Yeah. -Okay. 298 00:18:21,475 --> 00:18:24,228 The next time I saw Sam, he had another wife. 299 00:18:25,395 --> 00:18:27,064 Again, over 18. 300 00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:30,192 And the younger sister of the first wife. 301 00:18:38,033 --> 00:18:40,786 I was running the Short Creek Cottage. 302 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:45,541 And Sam showed up outside in the back. 303 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:50,587 He was in a vehicle with a trailer. Like a flatbed trailer. 304 00:18:53,841 --> 00:18:59,721 There's a gift we all can give To help along the way… 305 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:04,434 And I went out, and it was, like, just… dripping with women. 306 00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:07,980 There are so many things to do 307 00:19:08,063 --> 00:19:11,066 He'd showed up with all of these wives singing. 308 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:13,735 I was like, "Really?" 309 00:19:15,028 --> 00:19:16,905 How did that happen? 310 00:19:18,782 --> 00:19:20,242 There were babies too. 311 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:25,706 It was like they clear forgot some of our core beliefs. 312 00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:30,419 It was really strange to me. 313 00:19:30,502 --> 00:19:32,254 All these women and girls. 314 00:19:53,817 --> 00:19:57,738 I had no desire to be… close to that situation. 315 00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:03,994 I just started avoiding all of 'em. 316 00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:07,372 Everybody that I heard was involved with him, I just… 317 00:20:07,873 --> 00:20:09,791 Okay, I don't wanna go there. 318 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:16,298 Sam was always kind of a joke in our whole friend group. 319 00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:19,259 So at first, I didn't believe it. 320 00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:20,469 I thought it was funny. 321 00:20:21,511 --> 00:20:25,057 But when Warren goes to a whole group of people and says, 322 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:27,017 "Thou shalt not have sex," 323 00:20:27,643 --> 00:20:30,812 I'll bet you that lasts about two and a half mi-- milliseconds. 324 00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:34,942 Why? Because you can't proselyte human nature out of humans. 325 00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:36,276 They're gonna do it. 326 00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:39,446 And guess what? They did. 327 00:20:42,407 --> 00:20:46,453 Sam is apparently doing his own version of being FLDS. 328 00:20:46,536 --> 00:20:49,289 Getting married, having babies, 329 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,000 and who knows what else. 330 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,628 The FLDS community shunned Sam. 331 00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:58,257 They knew something was wrong. Red flag, Sam is shunned. 332 00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:00,759 I don't shun. 333 00:21:01,969 --> 00:21:03,720 If you shun, you can't help. 334 00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:07,641 If you attack, they're not gonna come to you when they're in need. 335 00:21:07,724 --> 00:21:09,309 You wanna go flyin'? 336 00:21:09,393 --> 00:21:12,020 Oh, it's working. Okay, so what happened? 337 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,523 Just seeing Sam with all these females 338 00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:16,566 is concerning in and of itself. 339 00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:20,946 So I wanted to figure out what was going on. 340 00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:25,867 Sam invited Tolga and I to come to dinner 341 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:29,246 at a house where Sam and a lot of his wives lived. 342 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:34,501 -Hi. -Hey. 343 00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:39,256 There were a lot of people there, but mostly young women. 344 00:21:41,174 --> 00:21:43,719 And then some very small children. 345 00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:48,932 They gave us their Sunday best. 346 00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:51,852 And then after dinner, 347 00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:55,480 they started singing to us like a talent show. 348 00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:57,983 I think these little girls want to sing you a song too. 349 00:21:58,066 --> 00:21:59,359 -Okay. -Some might. 350 00:21:59,443 --> 00:22:01,611 -All right. -Oh, that'd be wonderful. 351 00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:03,655 I wanna go here so I get everybody. 352 00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:05,324 If you guys don't all fit in the camera, 353 00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:07,868 I have to, like, keep turning, I guess, like this. 354 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:11,121 All right, we're ready for the song. 355 00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:15,625 An inheritance 356 00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:19,212 With our Savior 357 00:22:19,296 --> 00:22:21,548 In Zion… 358 00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,967 I had alarm bells ringing everywhere. 359 00:22:24,051 --> 00:22:29,014 Is everlasting 360 00:22:29,097 --> 00:22:32,768 I knew that Sam was married to some of these women, 361 00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,686 you know, even these young women. 362 00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:38,273 But there were rumors that he was married to the children. 363 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,400 And this group is called? 364 00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:41,568 Us. 365 00:22:41,651 --> 00:22:42,611 Okay. 366 00:22:42,694 --> 00:22:45,572 -How old are you guys? -Didn't you make the words and the…? 367 00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:47,240 -What? -We're both 10. 368 00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,241 Really? 369 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,751 After the dinner and talent show, 370 00:22:58,418 --> 00:23:00,504 I talked to a police officer. 371 00:23:01,296 --> 00:23:04,091 The Colorado City/Hildale City Police Department 372 00:23:04,174 --> 00:23:06,134 is a department that's contracted 373 00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:10,597 to manage policing services on both sides of the border 374 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,057 in Utah and in Arizona. 375 00:23:13,141 --> 00:23:15,310 We here in Colorado City/Hildale 376 00:23:16,061 --> 00:23:20,482 have… a nice little community. 377 00:23:20,982 --> 00:23:22,609 The nickname's "the Crick." 378 00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:25,695 It's been kind of a sanctuary place 379 00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:29,574 for people who practice plural marriage. 380 00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:34,162 Prior to Christine Marie speaking to us, 381 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,748 members of the community had reached out to the police department 382 00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:40,252 on a number of occasions about Sam Bateman. 383 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:47,968 We had heard that he was trying to gather members of the FLDS community 384 00:23:48,051 --> 00:23:50,011 to his new offshoot, 385 00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:53,807 that he was gathering multiple wives, 386 00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:56,601 and that some of those wives may be underage. 387 00:23:57,727 --> 00:24:00,564 It was obviously cause for concern. 388 00:24:01,398 --> 00:24:03,483 But I told Christine Marie at the time 389 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:09,239 that unless we could establish that some criminal act occurred, 390 00:24:09,322 --> 00:24:11,658 we did not have a crime to investigate. 391 00:24:12,325 --> 00:24:13,368 Okay. 392 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:15,454 Sergeant Wilkinson told me, 393 00:24:15,537 --> 00:24:19,916 "It's not a crime to call someone your wife, even if it's a child." 394 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,503 "What's a crime is to do something with that child, 395 00:24:23,587 --> 00:24:25,505 something like to molest that child." 396 00:24:26,339 --> 00:24:28,717 And I didn't have that information. 397 00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:35,849 So I'm paying attention to any clue I can get. 398 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:41,771 And Sam started inviting us to things and wanting us to film. 399 00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:45,567 Wow, how many people are coming out of there? Wow. 400 00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:47,903 What in the world? 401 00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:51,740 It was uncanny. 402 00:24:51,823 --> 00:24:54,701 We would go on a hike up in the mountains. 403 00:24:57,078 --> 00:24:58,246 Sam would be there. 404 00:24:58,788 --> 00:24:59,998 How's it going? 405 00:25:01,124 --> 00:25:03,084 That was amazing. I'm gonna shake your hand. 406 00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,712 That was like, how do you get up those rocks like that? 407 00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:07,714 And then we got an idea. 408 00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:10,050 Hello, Tolga. 409 00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:11,092 Hey, brother. 410 00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:14,262 Sorry, my voice is so bad, but I just got back into town, so… 411 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:17,349 …I'm gonna bring you a little surprise. Is that okay? 412 00:25:17,432 --> 00:25:21,311 It's your birthday, so I wanted to kind of film it and give this to you. 413 00:25:21,394 --> 00:25:22,854 The idea was, 414 00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:24,272 if they let us film… 415 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:26,691 -Happy birthday! -Where's the birthday boy? 416 00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:29,986 …maybe if we spent more time with them 417 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:32,697 and developed a relationship with them, 418 00:25:32,781 --> 00:25:35,742 maybe we would see what was really going on. 419 00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:38,912 Was he sexually abusing any of these girls? 420 00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:42,499 -How old are we now? -Thank you, 46. 421 00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,334 Forty-six? Okay, good. 422 00:25:44,417 --> 00:25:45,544 Did you have a good birthday? 423 00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:47,379 What did you do for his birthday? 424 00:25:47,462 --> 00:25:49,714 -We're doing it tomorrow. -Tomorrow? Okay. 425 00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,550 I'm so glad we came tonight, then. 426 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:52,926 This is for the king. 427 00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:54,678 Yes. 428 00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:56,805 We were gonna literally bring you a crown. 429 00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:59,349 We wanted to get a crown, but we couldn't find any, so… 430 00:25:59,432 --> 00:26:00,475 Well, thank you. 431 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,519 What I told them is, 432 00:26:02,602 --> 00:26:04,437 "I'll go in my room and shut the door, 433 00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,648 and you sing 'Happy Birthday' while I'm there." 434 00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:08,024 Oh. 435 00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:14,573 Sam, I learned, 436 00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:17,951 was the actual leader of this new group. 437 00:26:18,034 --> 00:26:19,160 The Samuelite Group. 438 00:26:21,454 --> 00:26:23,665 They all lived in the same house. 439 00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:26,001 A big blue house. 440 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,009 The group was very small, 441 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,970 less than 50 people, and that includes babies. 442 00:26:37,929 --> 00:26:41,725 Besides Sam, there were three main families involved. 443 00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:46,146 He recruited Torrance Bistline. 444 00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:50,275 Torrance was a very motivated businessman. 445 00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:55,238 Sam also recruited Ladell Bistline Jr. 446 00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:57,991 and Moroni Johnson. 447 00:26:58,491 --> 00:27:02,662 I was so lacking in that gift of revelation. 448 00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:05,415 I could not do it without Samuel's help. 449 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:08,793 I love him more than I love anyone, and I will do what he asks me to do. 450 00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:12,505 And he has proven it and proven it, and God is my witness. 451 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:17,302 All the men in Sam's group had status in the community, 452 00:27:17,385 --> 00:27:19,179 and they all were successful. 453 00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:21,431 And I thought, 454 00:27:22,432 --> 00:27:25,352 why are they going for Sam, of all people? 455 00:27:29,606 --> 00:27:31,316 For the FLDS, 456 00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:34,694 everyone was expected to be obedient to the prophet. 457 00:27:34,778 --> 00:27:36,321 That's the way to heaven. 458 00:27:37,697 --> 00:27:40,325 So they're dying to hear from Warren, 459 00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:42,661 dying to know what their next step was. 460 00:27:45,288 --> 00:27:47,666 It's been five, six, seven years 461 00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:50,669 since some of these people have heard from Warren. 462 00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:55,340 Now suddenly, 463 00:27:55,423 --> 00:27:57,676 Sam came up with 464 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,512 that Warren Jeffs has actually died, 465 00:28:01,513 --> 00:28:05,016 and the media is lying to you, as they always do, 466 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,811 and it's just a mannequin that's in his room. 467 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:15,443 And Sam said, "I am now Warren Jeffs's messenger." 468 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:18,321 "He's giving me this direction from the other side of death." 469 00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:23,410 This, in fact, was what Warren had said 470 00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:25,078 when his father died. 471 00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:27,956 His father had been the prophet, 472 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,751 and Warren said that his father was now speaking through him. 473 00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:36,339 And so what Sam told his followers 474 00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,425 was that Warren had left his body 475 00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:41,720 and that he was now speaking through Samuel. 476 00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:44,264 The other night we were talking, and he said, 477 00:28:44,347 --> 00:28:46,599 "This is the spirit of Uncle Warren." 478 00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:50,603 And I thought, that's pretty bold. 479 00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:52,856 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 480 00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:56,192 But if he didn't say it, he'd have never woke me up 481 00:28:56,276 --> 00:28:59,112 and never started down the path of waking me up. 482 00:28:59,195 --> 00:29:02,115 He is now the mouthpiece for Warren Jeffs. 483 00:29:02,198 --> 00:29:04,993 I can feel… people's spirits. 484 00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:08,163 I can feel it. The spirit. It's a gift. 485 00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:21,050 Sam decided that the mantle of Warren Jeffs had fallen upon him. 486 00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:24,262 I mean, shit, you take people's faith away, 487 00:29:24,345 --> 00:29:26,181 they'll do anything to feel it. 488 00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:31,853 Moroni was the first person to believe in Sam. 489 00:29:33,938 --> 00:29:36,733 And because Sam was now the prophet, 490 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,820 he agreed to turn over his daughters, 491 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,823 even his very young daughters, to marry Sam. 492 00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:47,118 By the time we met Moroni, 493 00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:50,580 he had given all of his daughters to Sam. 494 00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:52,791 I surrender 495 00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:54,459 the ladies under my care. 496 00:29:55,084 --> 00:29:57,128 They belong to Father Samuel. 497 00:29:57,212 --> 00:29:59,631 What he chooses to do with them is his business. 498 00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:03,551 Moroni had many wives, 499 00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:06,346 and most of those wives married Sam. 500 00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:11,851 And then Sam starts taking 501 00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:14,103 Ladell's daughters 502 00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:16,856 and his wife 503 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:19,692 and other women in his care. 504 00:30:20,777 --> 00:30:23,279 And I says, "Samuel, she's yours." 505 00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:25,907 And he said, "God bless you." 506 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:29,410 So your whole family is now going to be sealed to Samuel? 507 00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:30,578 Mm-hmm. 508 00:30:31,329 --> 00:30:34,040 However it might look to an earthly mind, 509 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:35,959 you don't have any clue. 510 00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:38,002 Those girls love him. 511 00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:41,130 I'll testify that to the whole world. 512 00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:42,715 I've seen it. 513 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:48,471 Everybody in a fundamental Mormon group 514 00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,807 want to be associated with the prophet. 515 00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:54,727 They want to be the right-hand man of the prophet. 516 00:30:54,811 --> 00:30:57,188 They want to be the wife of the prophet. 517 00:30:57,272 --> 00:30:59,190 It's like being the wife of God. 518 00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:01,860 And if you're a believer, who wouldn't want that? 519 00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:12,203 Several of my nieces ended up 520 00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:14,205 marrying him. 521 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:17,542 It gave them the opportunity to have children. 522 00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:20,837 And… I could… 523 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,341 I just felt like, but by the grace of God, that could be me. 524 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:32,098 It was really hard for me to see 525 00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:35,393 these people that I really loved and respected 526 00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:37,020 go that way. 527 00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:40,773 You know, Lud and Torrance are my nephews. 528 00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,693 So I did know 529 00:31:44,235 --> 00:31:45,904 a lot of 'em very well. 530 00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:49,866 Now that he's a prophet, 531 00:31:49,949 --> 00:31:53,995 Sam would use his power to make his desires known. 532 00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:01,169 Torrance had a very successful green energy company 533 00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:03,087 that was making a lot of money. 534 00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:07,091 Moroni and Ladell worked for this company. 535 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:12,931 And I learned that Sam's followers were subsidizing his lifestyle. 536 00:32:15,391 --> 00:32:16,559 We found out where he lived, 537 00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,519 and so we'd drive by it every couple of days 538 00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:20,063 and see how many cars he had there. 539 00:32:20,146 --> 00:32:22,065 And then all of a sudden, holy crap. 540 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,861 That's basically the Bateman crew 541 00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:30,740 and their fleet of vehicles driving by my house. 542 00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:36,871 They'd have a whole motorcade with a Range Rover and two Bentleys 543 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,665 and then another Range Rover. 544 00:32:41,876 --> 00:32:44,629 And they'd drive around town and show off. 545 00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:47,548 It was really sort of a… 546 00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:50,843 a fuck you to all the men 547 00:32:50,927 --> 00:32:55,390 who had dissed on Sam and thought he wasn't important in his life. 548 00:32:55,473 --> 00:32:59,060 He wanted to show those men that he was the king. 549 00:33:13,908 --> 00:33:15,952 Did you ever hear the story 550 00:33:16,035 --> 00:33:18,663 of our Jan's Canyon experience? 551 00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:21,666 It was a training… It was a training I was giving the girls. 552 00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:24,252 It was so dang deep. 553 00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:27,839 It looks… It looks small on the surface, but it was… it was eternal. 554 00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:29,757 I… I could feel it from the start. 555 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:32,218 Is it something we should film them talking about? 556 00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:33,636 Oh, I… I think so, yeah. 557 00:33:37,598 --> 00:33:38,933 At some point, 558 00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:43,479 Sam started believing that he should be the star of our documentary. 559 00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:48,735 What could be better than blessing the world with his… his presence, 560 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:50,903 his face, his teachings? 561 00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:53,406 Hi, Samuel. 562 00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:55,199 Okay, we're coming with cameras. 563 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:56,993 Okay. 564 00:33:57,076 --> 00:34:00,747 Sam's calling us saying, "Can you come film this?" 565 00:34:02,331 --> 00:34:03,666 We play along. 566 00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:07,670 The rule of thumb was, if Sam wanted us to spend time, 567 00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:10,006 we were gonna go. This is our new job. 568 00:34:10,631 --> 00:34:12,925 -We brought Christine! -Hi! 569 00:34:13,009 --> 00:34:14,218 Hi, Christine. 570 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,387 We are going on an adventure. 571 00:34:17,764 --> 00:34:20,266 Tolga was making money doing music videos, 572 00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:23,186 but now his career was on hold. 573 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,021 His life is on hold. 574 00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:28,357 He wanted us to film all the time. 575 00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:30,735 I'd like some videos of me just walking real fast. 576 00:34:31,235 --> 00:34:33,863 My day would start out, eight o'clock in the morning, 577 00:34:33,946 --> 00:34:37,950 "Tolga, Sam wants you to go film him on the motorcycle." 578 00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:40,411 Tolga, he's there. You see him? 579 00:34:42,121 --> 00:34:44,582 He was the worst. He couldn't jump the motorcycle. 580 00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:46,918 He couldn't do anything. I had to sit there and watch him 581 00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:47,877 like a fool. 582 00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:50,505 Amazing. 583 00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:54,967 He would say, "I want you to watch me hike." 584 00:34:56,928 --> 00:34:59,472 Wow, you're really talented. I didn't know that. 585 00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:03,267 -Where did you learn to do that? -What, to hike? Just hiking, huh? 586 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:07,563 We're here with Sam and the girls, 587 00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:12,777 and he's, um, facilitating a reenactment of an experience. 588 00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:15,488 There's a message in it. It's like a life lesson, 589 00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:17,907 and he wanted that captured, so we're doing it. 590 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,575 So this is kind of how it was. 591 00:35:19,659 --> 00:35:21,410 Did you say, "Pray for me," right? 592 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:23,037 Oh yeah, I didn't say that, did I? 593 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,831 -Should we do that one again? -Yeah. 594 00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:27,708 Pray for me. 595 00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:30,378 -That works. -Perfect. 596 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,797 I can't guarantee this is… 597 00:35:33,381 --> 00:35:35,007 this is the right path. 598 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:37,718 Watch the cactus. 599 00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:43,641 Girls, I've been wondering when you'd come down. 600 00:35:44,225 --> 00:35:48,646 I'm not displeased with you, but this is a lesson that people have to learn, 601 00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:51,983 is that you can communicate through the spirit of God. 602 00:35:53,943 --> 00:35:56,571 Okay. What? Should we do it again, or what? 603 00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:01,200 Then one day, 604 00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:03,119 Sam called in the morning, 605 00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:05,163 and he said he had an impression. 606 00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:09,208 Now, an "impression" is like God's telling you something. 607 00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,294 "I had an impression from the Lord 608 00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:13,379 that you and Tolga 609 00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:16,507 need to come over to my house this morning 610 00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:18,676 and we need to tell you some things." 611 00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:20,011 Oh my goodness, thank you. 612 00:36:20,094 --> 00:36:22,972 It might be a bit slushy because it was in the freezer. 613 00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:27,226 He had all these women and children there. 614 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,395 Because it's like they're here to protect us… 615 00:36:29,478 --> 00:36:34,192 And then Sam said he had an impression that he should leave the room 616 00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:37,028 while the girls talk to us. 617 00:36:39,322 --> 00:36:40,364 Okay. 618 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:44,702 Finally, the chance to talk to the girls by themselves. 619 00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:49,332 I was trying to figure out, what can I ask without giving a red flag? 620 00:36:50,625 --> 00:36:53,336 So do you feel like… do you feel like your life… 621 00:36:53,419 --> 00:36:55,922 Like, how has your life changed since all this? 622 00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:58,007 Since you got your testimony of Samuel? 623 00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:59,842 All for the better. 624 00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:01,802 -Fifty times happier. -Yeah. 625 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:04,180 -Fifty times more at peace. -Something to live for. 626 00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:07,350 There's always something to live for and always an increase. 627 00:37:07,433 --> 00:37:09,393 And you always know that somebody loves you, 628 00:37:09,477 --> 00:37:11,103 somebody's praying for you. 629 00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:16,025 What more could a girl ask for but just to belong somewhere. 630 00:37:16,108 --> 00:37:17,610 Yeah. 631 00:37:18,611 --> 00:37:20,988 The girls were enamored with Sam. 632 00:37:21,614 --> 00:37:24,158 They told us that they had received 633 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:27,620 confirmation from God that they were meant to be with Sam. 634 00:37:27,703 --> 00:37:29,956 Should we hop in the Bentley and get Toro and talk to him? 635 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:31,249 -Sure. -Okay. 636 00:37:32,291 --> 00:37:35,419 And then Sam said, "Let's go for a drive." 637 00:37:36,504 --> 00:37:39,048 And he puts us in the car, 638 00:37:39,131 --> 00:37:43,219 and he picks three girls. "I want you and you and you to come along." 639 00:37:44,553 --> 00:37:46,973 We start driving around. 640 00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:49,100 There's four of us in the back seat, 641 00:37:49,183 --> 00:37:53,479 and then Tolga in the front with Sam, but he wasn't filming. 642 00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:59,777 Sam starts talking about how much he suffered. 643 00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:04,573 And it seems as if he's trying to build up to something. 644 00:38:05,741 --> 00:38:07,743 I thought, where is this gonna go? 645 00:38:07,827 --> 00:38:10,121 I put in a lot of hours to wait for this moment 646 00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:11,831 to see what is really happening. 647 00:38:11,914 --> 00:38:14,917 So I reached my hand down into my purse, 648 00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:16,043 grabbed my phone, 649 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,214 and I sneak it up my leg. 650 00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:24,677 And I very secretly hit record. 651 00:38:25,177 --> 00:38:27,179 And Sam 652 00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:30,099 just spilled the beans. 653 00:38:50,202 --> 00:38:51,329 Okay. 654 00:39:13,934 --> 00:39:14,935 Mmm. 655 00:39:17,146 --> 00:39:18,898 Sam explained 656 00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:23,861 that he had to atone for the sins of wicked men 657 00:39:23,944 --> 00:39:27,531 by having these three wives 658 00:39:29,408 --> 00:39:30,451 have sex with them. 659 00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:33,162 The three girls he had chosen to come in the car 660 00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:34,663 were the three he was telling you? 661 00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:35,581 Yes. 662 00:39:52,723 --> 00:39:55,393 This girl was 13 years old. 663 00:39:57,561 --> 00:40:00,356 It was clear, for the first time, 664 00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:04,402 that… there was sexual abuse of children. 665 00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:09,573 Yeah. 666 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:15,955 Mmm. 667 00:40:20,126 --> 00:40:20,960 Yeah. 668 00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:26,006 While he's telling this story, 669 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:27,925 he's trying to describe 670 00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:31,512 all the pain and suffering that he had to go through. 671 00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:33,973 In the meantime, 672 00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:39,019 these pure FLDS women, 673 00:40:39,103 --> 00:40:41,564 young women and child, 674 00:40:43,023 --> 00:40:45,317 are incredibly humiliated. 675 00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:46,444 They were like, 676 00:40:47,486 --> 00:40:49,238 you know, not good. 677 00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,537 Yeah, it hurts. 678 00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:02,334 She said, "I was so dang scared." 679 00:41:02,418 --> 00:41:05,546 And then Sam starts telling them what to say. 680 00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:15,598 -Not one speck of anything. -Trauma? 681 00:41:27,651 --> 00:41:28,569 Has it…? 682 00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:48,714 Wow. 683 00:41:50,257 --> 00:41:55,054 All of the panic circuitry in my body was exploding. 684 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:57,723 I mean, my mouth was turning into cotton, 685 00:41:57,806 --> 00:42:01,435 and I couldn't handle any more. 686 00:42:02,394 --> 00:42:05,272 Well, I am gonna go start getting ready and feed the animals, 687 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,983 but Tolga can stay and talk more if… if you want. 688 00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:09,485 So, um… 689 00:42:09,568 --> 00:42:12,821 -We actually gotta be home too. -Well, thank you. 690 00:42:12,905 --> 00:42:14,657 -Love you, guys. -All good. 691 00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,617 -Thank you. -Thank you. I love you. 692 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,160 -God bless you. -Love you too. 693 00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,996 -Love you, Sam. Love you all. -Thank you guys so much. 694 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,164 Bye. 695 00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:29,672 The date is November 10th, 2021. 696 00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:33,509 The location is 697 00:42:34,718 --> 00:42:36,887 Colorado City, Arizona. 698 00:42:37,471 --> 00:42:39,348 Driving around in a car. 699 00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:51,443 Yeah. Tolga, we have to… we have to… 700 00:42:51,527 --> 00:42:53,195 I have to turn this tape in. 701 00:42:54,071 --> 00:42:56,532 Yes, but you got… you got now full trust. 702 00:42:56,615 --> 00:42:57,992 You gotta wait a couple more days. 703 00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,494 -I know, I can't… I have to explain. -They can't know. 704 00:43:00,578 --> 00:43:03,581 These girls need my… They need to trust me, 705 00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:05,791 or they won't ever trust anybody. 706 00:43:05,874 --> 00:43:07,668 So I don't know what to do. 707 00:43:07,751 --> 00:43:10,838 -You know. They'll know-- -Just lay low for a second. 708 00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:13,632 -Just let the police know, and… lay low. -Yeah. 709 00:43:13,716 --> 00:43:15,217 Yeah, I'm gonna call.