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♪
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[film projector flickering]
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[chatter in Spanish]
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If it grabs me
then we'll get it.
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That's, uh, that's the
name of the game.
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I don't have any
hard, fast rules.
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I just kind of...
I just kind of look, you know.
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Obviously, I'm gonna be
looking for some- some trash.
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Some cheese.
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We're lookin' for Chuck.
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We're lookin' for
Charles Bronson.
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We're lookin' for
Dolph Lundgren.
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That kind of thing.
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Action.
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I've seen a lot of...
door handles.
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They got, uh... doorknobs.
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And, uh... lotion.
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I- I never expected to see
a whole table full of...
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lotions and... shave gel.
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We've got socks here.
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All the socks
you could possibly want.
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Still waiting on some tapes.
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Still hoping
for some tapes here.
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Doll heads... doll heads.
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It's the same old stuff.
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I'm surprised to not
already have seen Titanic.
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That's, like, the most...
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most common tape I see.
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The two disc.. er...
two tape Titanic... um...
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Oh, what do you know?
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It's the- the
two tape Titanic.
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I'm gonna have to
go with Shakedown.
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We're gonna have action.
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You can see it right here.
There's explosions.
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And there's Peter Weller.
What else do you need?
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A dollar.
- A dollar?
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[no sound]
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Awwwww.
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We've got five for two.
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Got some kids clamshells.
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But we also got some other ones
we're gonna go through.
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[laughs] No, definitely not.
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Clarissa... can't explain that.
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The Adventures
of Timmy the Tooth
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is something very creepy
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that I have
personal nostalgia for.
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It's been a long time.
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Thank you.
- Thank you.
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Something about dental movies,
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animated things that they make
for- about, uh- dental hygiene,
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always seem to be really creepy.
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Frank Gorshin is in this movie.
What?
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Frank Gorshin was, of course,
The Riddler,
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on the original Batman.
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So, I hate to say it, but...
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We're gonna have to buy
Game Day,
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starring Richard Lewis.
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Uh, the Gorsh factor just hit.
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It just sunk in.
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[chatter in Spanish]
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[Latin music in the background]
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Titanic. Two tape
Titanic set, again. Always.
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You know you're gonna
have to rewind it.
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Why not just go ahead
and buy a rewinder?
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[lo-fi 80's style synth music]
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♪
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And there was this thing
in the corner,
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next to the TV, that...
my parents said,
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"It's for playing
and recording movies".
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I saw this thing and I thought,
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"Well, How does it work?
This sounds like heaven".
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VHS tapes were so widespread,
and they were so common,
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and so prevalent... that...
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I think for most people...
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they were just sort of part of
the everyday, you know,
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background of your life,
growing up.
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Or, if you were an adult
during that time frame,
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they're just something
that you had.
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It wasn't until a little,
you know,
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maybe by '84 or 5,
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where everybody and
their mother had the machine.
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Because we'd had
just enough Christmases
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to get the machines
in everybody's home.
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Videocassette got me, you know,
hooked on movies.
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I loved going to movies
as a kid,
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but the VHS tapes,
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bringing those movies home,
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I could watch them
any time I wanted.
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Getting us all together to go
to the theater was a big deal,
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and it didn't happen very often.
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we had to get there, pay,
get popcorn, all that.
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So, home video was the standard
for me.
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They opened,
in our neighborhood,
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this, uh, video store.
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And it was called Pop N' Go.
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And my mom is from Mexico,
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and she would call it
"Po-Ping-O".
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[laughs] So she would alway say,
"Oh, Let's go to Po-Ping-O."
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And the popcorn was so good.
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I remember going,
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and the giant, like,
cardboard cut-outs
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of, like, movies coming soon.
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And that's the first time
I ever saw The Toxic Avenger ,
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in the giant cut-out.
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And I was a little kid,
and I was like,
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"I've gotta watch this."
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Back then it was huge.
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It was like
the Friday night thing to do.
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And it was, you know, I mean,
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you really
took your time thinking
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'cause you- it was $29 to join.
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You know, so it wasn't
free to join.
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So I'd spend my Saturdays,
get on my little bicycle,
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my Ninja Turtles bicycle,
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and go from one store
to the next,
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like, looking for this title.
Whatever it might be.
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And I remember specifically,
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I really wanted to see
Basket Case.
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And none of the video stores
had it.
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And so, for like, months,
I would go to every one,
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and be like, "Did you's guys
get Basket Case yet?
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I wanna see Basket Case."
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I saw Apocalypse Now is out,
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and I went "Oh, I need that."
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And then I saw
Blood Feast was out.
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And I went, "Oh my God,
I need that."
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And I saw Beyond the Valley
of the Dolls was out.
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"Oh my God, I need that."
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So, I bought my first Betamax,
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you know, with the top loader,
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with the big piano keys,
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and the remote
was attached to a wire.
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[laughs] You know, so it
really wasn't even a remote.
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[speaking Japanese]
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Well, video took cinema
out of the movie theater.
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So, you know,
it takes a lot of money
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to build a movie theater.
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It takes a lot of seats.
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You put the seats in,
you have to get all the people
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to sit in the seats
to make it profitable.
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And so I think, If you-
If you say worldwide,
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yeah, I think it was
kind of like a democratization.
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It was a form of wider exposure.
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It's Friday night,
you're with your friends,
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you're having a sleepover,
you're at the video store.
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You wanna
make each other laugh
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by finding
the dumbest thing possible.
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I think that was a huge, huge
part of it, really.
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Sitting around
with your friends, laughing,
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eating pizza...
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What is better than that?
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It was a very special time,
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where you could,
all of a sudden,
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be introduced to all of
this stuff that never...
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never would have been available.
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Never would have shown on TV.
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Um, never would have been
in your movie theater.
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Certainly in a place
like Nottingham,
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which is kind of a small city
in England.
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I grew up on 42nd Street.
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So I had access to movies...
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the average person
normally wouldn't have, unless,
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I guess, you lived next door
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to a drive-in or something.
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So I loved the fact that
I was seeing crap
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that no one had even heard of.
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What surprised me was
how much of that crap
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came out on VHS.
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[synth music]
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♪
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I'm very proud to say
that I have 82 movies
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that start with "dead",
"death" and "deadly".
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82. So, I've really made it.
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I'm really a great
success in life.
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Above you can see that I have
my big boxes,
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my oversize clamshells.
Things like that.
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Um... I have things
alphabetical,
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to keep things simple.
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The way I've done it, is color.
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Because to me it looks the most
aesthetically pleasing.
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I just tried doing it
in a Roy G Biv kind of way.
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And just came all the way down
to black and white.
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I also do my books that way.
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And for me it's a system
that totally works.
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You can ask me any video
and I can be like,
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"Okay, that one's green."
and pick it out.
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And it's really easy for me,
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and I think it looks
really nice.
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This is one of my
all time favorites, though.
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Corey Haim: Me, Myself and I.
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So good.
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I know Corey passed, ya know.
And I love Corey.
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I'm not really even
making fun of him,
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but this is
the awesomest thing ever.
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The direction in my life
right now
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I guess proceed with, um...
in the business, is...
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gradually, um,
from being the little boy,
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from a younger,
you know, brother,
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trying to get to be
the older brother,
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or the only brother.
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[80's pop music]
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♪
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I don't know if this is
the pride of my collection.
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This is the tape that I've
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gotten the most fun
out of recently.
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It's called
Bubba Until it Hurts.
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[laughs] "It's for
men and women...
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It's not just
another pretty workout."
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3, and 4, and 5, and 6, and...
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"Unlike many exercise programs,
Bubba Until it Hurts
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utilizes a minimum of jumping."
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"The lack of jumping
up and down
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makes this program ideal
for apartment house dwellers."
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It's just like, why would you
put that on your VHS?
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Like why would that ever be
a marketing point?
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And at the end he goes,
he's like
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"Now that you've met my friends,
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let's get to work...
I love you."
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He says "I love you."
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"I love you,
now let's get to work."
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It is like, "Whoa, Bubba Smith,
not until it hurts, please."
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In order to get to it,
You've got to go through it.
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I love you and welcome to
Until it Hurts.
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We have my favorite movie here,
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I have Heavenly Bodies.
Three copies of it.
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If you love aerobics,
if you love Canadian features,
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this is exactly where
you need to go.
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Rolling Vengeance, see,
it's coming right at ya there.
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It's even got a drill
right in front,
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because it's fuckin' badass.
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[engine roaring]
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This is one of my
prized possessions.
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The Leslie Nielsen
Bad Golf Made Easier,
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signed by Leslie Nielsen.
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I don't know if you can get in
on the gold signature
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of the man himself.
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Stand directly
in your opponent's line,
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and lean imperceptibly
to one side or another
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as he tries to read the break.
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This is a movie called
Death Rider.
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This is a shot-on-video western.
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And it is really one of the most
impossibly...
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hypnotically awkward things
that you will ever see.
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I thought
you were dead, Clayton.
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No, that's my brother you're
talkin' about.
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And it's kind of
a passion project
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by this guy Ronald Koontz,
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who is the lead actor, writer,
director, editor, cameraman,
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and he 'proudced' the film.
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Probably my favorite 'proudcer'
is Ronald Koontz.
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Now I'm getting into
all the ones that I gasp about.
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The Windows 95 Easy Instruction
Video Guide,
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featuring Matthew Perry
and Jennifer Aniston
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in character.
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Because this was
right when Friends started.
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So it's all this, like,
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"Oh really? You click
on the start window?"
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That is pathetic.
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[80's style synth
horror movie music]
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♪
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When I first started,
I was like,
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"Oh man, dude,
I have 80 movies."
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It was just, like,
phenomenal to me
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that I could, like,
pick through 80 movies.
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But then I got to 500 and...
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pretty soon I go to 1,000.
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Zombies, occult, supernatural,
slasher movies.
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I got a slasher closet
over there.
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If there's at least three movies
that I can categorize together,
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I'm like, "Okay, that can be
a sub-genre.
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So I have one right now,
it's got four movies
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and it's about homeless horror.
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Get a job, loser,
you shit your fuckin' pants.
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So, that's
a little sub-genre I have.
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I've learned a lot about
culture in general,
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just by doing all these
little sub-sections.
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There's a lot of things
you have to search out.
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A lot of things
you have to look for,
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not even knowing
what you're looking for.
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And you might find
something that
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you never knew was out there.
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♪
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The video revolution
began in Japan in the mid-70's,
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when the engineers at Sony
began to develop a tape format.
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And at the same time,
the engineers at JVC,
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they developed their own.
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Back then, you know,
everything was Betamax/VHS.
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And so, you went to a store,
there was always both formats.
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Ridiculously,
they used to charge
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$3 more for a VHS tape,
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because you were
buying more plastic.
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Really nothing happened
in any numbers until '79,
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when it began to explode.
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Both formats were originally
head-to-head,
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fighting for the supremacy.
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And it was sort of thought
that maybe
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both could exist together.
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Which proved not to be the case.
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I, of course, bought Beta.
[laughs]
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So, you know, wasted
all these zillions of videos,
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that I bought
in the Beta format.
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And, of course, Beta went
bye-bye very soon after.
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If you're looking at
videocassette recorders,
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and you're confused
by all your choices
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just look at the most
important feature of all,
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The picture.
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And Sony Betamax records
a sharper picture than VHS.
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Beta was technically superior,
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but, it had one huge flaw,
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which was that it was
only one hour long.
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VHS format was two hours long.
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VHS videocassettes play longer,
which can save you money.
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Big deal.
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One of my closest friends is
Robert A. Harris,
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the restorationist.
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And he was always talking
about the latest technologies.
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He was keeping me alerted
about the war
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between Beta and VHS,
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and how the cheaper one
was gonna win,
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because the public
just doesn't give a shit.
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He was correct.
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When I rented
The Last Unicorn on Beta,
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and stuck it in my grandmother's
VHS player.
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That was not good.
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That's when I
understood the difference
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between VHS and Beta.
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'cause I didn't get to watch
The Last Unicorn that night.
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For any TV show, like, whatever,
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any new show
that's out right now,
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of course their goal is
"Well this is gonna be on DVD,
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it's gonna be on Hulu,
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it's gonna be watched
forever and ever."
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But back then,
they didn't really realize that.
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[speaking Japanese]
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Oh, and you've missed
your football on TV.
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Anything for you, Mom.
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Oh, you are a good boy.
- Bye!
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When you have a
Phillips television recorder,
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you don't have
to miss anything.
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The Phillips
television recorder
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records TV when
you can't watch.
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So you can
replay anytime.
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[bell rings]
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Who the--
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The Phillips
television recorder.
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Mums.
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I don't think any
member of the audience
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actually said,
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"Gee, I need a machine
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that will help me
control my schedule."
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But once the machine was made,
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00:16:59,986 --> 00:17:02,286
then they came up with
concept of time-shifting,
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00:17:02,288 --> 00:17:05,156
and that was a concept
that really worked.
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That you could actually
shift the TV schedule around.
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They've made it
so simple to use,
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00:17:11,398 --> 00:17:12,797
the cat can operate it.
357
00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:14,732
Kittles, I want you to record
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an ITV program at 10:30.
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00:17:21,607 --> 00:17:24,609
Sony C6. So simple,
the cat can use it.
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The TiVo age only exists,
because we were raised with VHS.
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Because we were
the first generation that could
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be sent to bed with a promise,
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"It'll be here tomorrow
when you get up."
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00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:38,656
That changed our relationship
with television.
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I discovered that, uh...
I could program the VCR.
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That was, like, a big day...
You know for me,
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Like, as a nine year-old
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00:17:49,302 --> 00:17:51,536
to get around the
parental controls
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and tape R-rated things.
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You can watch your TV shows
when you wanna watch it.
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That's the advertising campaign
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that really pushed Betamax
to the top of the heap,
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and was a big success
for two years,
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until VHS caught up with them.
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With an even better
reason to buy it,
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because they could
record longer.
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00:18:11,758 --> 00:18:13,124
Suppose it's over three hours.
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00:18:13,126 --> 00:18:16,727
Relax, Panasonic VHS tapes
up to four hours
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00:18:16,729 --> 00:18:19,831
of sports, movies, specials,
on one cassette.
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00:18:19,833 --> 00:18:22,066
VHS used that
to actually win out
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00:18:22,068 --> 00:18:24,102
in the format war with Sony.
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00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:26,070
At a certain moment in time,
people were like,
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00:18:26,072 --> 00:18:30,208
"I don't like that you can
share this thing with people.
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I wanna control
the mechanism of distribution."
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00:18:33,813 --> 00:18:35,980
You know, "Only programmed
on television",
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00:18:35,982 --> 00:18:37,048
right, you know.
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00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:38,983
"Only available
in movie theaters."
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00:18:38,985 --> 00:18:41,719
So when the VHS tape comes out,
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for a ton of the people involved
on the manufacturing side,
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00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:46,057
it's a watershed.
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00:18:46,059 --> 00:18:48,526
But there's people
in content and distribution,
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00:18:48,528 --> 00:18:51,362
before everyone has decks
and they can monetize it,
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00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:53,564
they're like, "I don't know
if this is a good thing or not."
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00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:56,868
So this whole notion
of selling something,
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00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:59,904
where you lost control entirely,
was a new notion.
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00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:03,708
And it made major movie studios
very, very nervous.
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00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:05,776
Box office kept increasing,
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00:19:05,778 --> 00:19:08,379
so it's not like
people are staying home
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00:19:08,381 --> 00:19:10,515
and avoiding the movie theater.
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00:19:10,517 --> 00:19:11,849
It's a new bunch of people
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00:19:11,851 --> 00:19:14,919
putting new money
into home video.
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00:19:14,921 --> 00:19:16,254
And that's what's really driving
403
00:19:16,256 --> 00:19:18,623
this incredible explosion
404
00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:21,025
of the film industry
in the 1980's.
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00:19:21,027 --> 00:19:24,162
The guy who financed
Brain Damage for me
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00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:25,763
was a man named Andre Blay,
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00:19:25,765 --> 00:19:27,765
and he's credited
with starting this.
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00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:30,868
He had a company in Michigan
called Magnetic Video,
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00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:33,337
that was dealing mainly
with 3/4 inch tapes
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00:19:33,339 --> 00:19:35,006
for industrial use.
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00:19:35,008 --> 00:19:36,807
And he got the idea one day,
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00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:39,477
"Wow, I wonder if I
could put Hollywood movies
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00:19:39,479 --> 00:19:40,945
on half inch."
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00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:43,414
When I made the decision
to buy movie rights,
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00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:46,417
I said, "Well, I gotta go
to all the Hollywood studios."
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00:19:46,419 --> 00:19:49,453
And I wrote them a letter
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00:19:49,455 --> 00:19:51,088
saying that the
home video revolution
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00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:52,590
is about to begin.
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00:19:52,592 --> 00:19:55,993
And I could help start
this new industry.
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00:19:55,995 --> 00:19:58,896
So he writes a letter
to all the major studios
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00:19:58,898 --> 00:20:01,566
about, you know,
"C'mon, give me a film,
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00:20:01,568 --> 00:20:03,534
I'll put it on tape,
and we'll see what happens."
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00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:04,669
And no studio was interested.
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00:20:04,671 --> 00:20:05,903
They thought it was
a crazy idea,
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00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:07,338
they thought it was
a stupid idea,
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00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,006
They thought it would
devalue the films...
427
00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:12,677
But Fox said, "Eh, fine,
let this guy do it.
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00:20:12,679 --> 00:20:15,346
If he fails, he fails.
You know, who cares?
429
00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:16,547
We'll get some money out of it."
430
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:19,917
This is pre- Star Wars,
so 20th Century Fox
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00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:22,253
is probably a company
that's not doing that well.
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00:20:22,255 --> 00:20:23,988
In any case,
they hedged their bet.
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00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:26,924
They gave him films that were
at least four years old.
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00:20:26,926 --> 00:20:28,726
The Sound of Music,
and, you know,
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00:20:28,728 --> 00:20:30,428
Patton, and all that stuff.
436
00:20:30,430 --> 00:20:32,663
And, uh, they sold for
an exorbitant rate.
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00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:34,298
They were like, 89, 99 dollars.
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00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:35,700
[screaming]
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00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:38,769
[maniacal laughter]
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00:20:39,871 --> 00:20:41,305
The only world we recognized
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00:20:41,307 --> 00:20:43,107
was getting our films
in the theaters.
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00:20:43,109 --> 00:20:45,309
Charlie Band was the
only one in our circle
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00:20:45,311 --> 00:20:47,478
that was thinking about
the home video market.
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00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,613
So what I did was I thought,
445
00:20:48,615 --> 00:20:51,349
"Well, let me go
find or license the rights
446
00:20:51,351 --> 00:20:54,719
to other successful
independent films.
447
00:20:54,721 --> 00:20:56,354
Even my lawyer had no real idea
448
00:20:56,356 --> 00:20:57,922
of how to write the document,
449
00:20:57,924 --> 00:20:59,757
'cause no documents
had been written prior
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00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:01,592
to license these video rights.
451
00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:04,095
You know, what is the territory,
what is the price? No idea.
452
00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:06,964
It was a pioneering time
because nothing existed.
453
00:21:06,966 --> 00:21:08,833
Next step, let's not sell them
454
00:21:08,835 --> 00:21:10,067
the pre-recorded tapes,
455
00:21:10,069 --> 00:21:11,335
let's actually rent it to them.
456
00:21:11,337 --> 00:21:13,904
Andre never anticipated
the rental market.
457
00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:16,073
And he said he remembers
the day he got a phone call
458
00:21:16,075 --> 00:21:17,875
from a store saying,
"Hey, can I rent this?"
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00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:21,312
And he went, "... No!"
[laughs]
460
00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:23,814
And the store says,
"Well my lawyer said I can."
461
00:21:23,816 --> 00:21:27,018
And it was like, "Oh, no."
You know, so, that started it.
462
00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:28,853
And, uh, the punch line
463
00:21:28,855 --> 00:21:31,956
to Andre's story
was eventually...
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00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,325
all the studios saw how
lucrative the market was.
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00:21:34,327 --> 00:21:35,826
They all came out
with their own,
466
00:21:35,828 --> 00:21:37,295
you know, label.
467
00:21:37,297 --> 00:21:39,430
Except for Fox, of course.
468
00:21:39,432 --> 00:21:42,333
So, Fox had to buy Andre out.
469
00:21:42,335 --> 00:21:45,503
They had to buy- So he-
[laughs]
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00:21:45,505 --> 00:21:49,140
Whatever he bought it for, boy,
he quadrupled that, okay?
471
00:21:49,142 --> 00:21:52,109
The video at that point
was kind of taking over
472
00:21:52,111 --> 00:21:53,711
for the drive-in circuit.
473
00:21:53,713 --> 00:21:54,912
Video was the new market
474
00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:57,381
for the kids to rent
the horror films,
475
00:21:57,383 --> 00:21:59,984
and the films they wouldn't see
at the mainstream theater.
476
00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:01,752
Well, I definitely
don't think that
477
00:22:01,754 --> 00:22:05,556
my career would have gone
where it had, without video.
478
00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:07,792
My movie was released in
all kinds of foreign countries
479
00:22:07,794 --> 00:22:08,826
on video.
480
00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:10,761
If it wasn't for video, for me,
481
00:22:10,763 --> 00:22:15,833
I know my popularity would be
much, much smaller than it is.
482
00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,601
When videocassettes
first came in,
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00:22:17,603 --> 00:22:19,437
we jumped in, we loved it.
484
00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:22,106
We thought it was great.
And, in fact, it was great.
485
00:22:22,108 --> 00:22:24,008
And there were
mom and pop shops,
486
00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:25,609
there were video stores
487
00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:28,379
opening up all over the country,
all over the world...
488
00:22:28,381 --> 00:22:29,947
that needed movies.
489
00:22:29,949 --> 00:22:35,152
In the early days, the appetite
for video was so pervasive,
490
00:22:35,154 --> 00:22:38,756
people could pick
the wrong location,
491
00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:42,159
they could pick
the wrong videocassette titles,
492
00:22:42,161 --> 00:22:44,362
they could hire surly staff,
493
00:22:44,364 --> 00:22:48,232
they could have terrible hours,
and horrible policies,
494
00:22:48,234 --> 00:22:51,035
and people were still
gravitating to these stores.
495
00:22:51,037 --> 00:22:53,337
It was just-
there was such a hunger for it.
496
00:22:53,339 --> 00:22:54,672
[speaking Japanese]
497
00:23:37,716 --> 00:23:41,085
So the idea of having movies
that were at your disposal
498
00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:44,789
when you wanted them was...
kind of remarkable.
499
00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:47,358
And there was no talk of
picture quality or aspect ratio,
500
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,193
or any of that.
It was just availability.
501
00:23:49,195 --> 00:23:50,628
So you had to kind of be aware
502
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:53,531
that as much as you wanna use
that frame right to the edge,
503
00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:55,132
you wouldn't. You'd kind of...
504
00:23:55,134 --> 00:23:57,234
give yourself a little
cheat on either side,
505
00:23:57,236 --> 00:23:59,703
'cause you knew that
when it went to video,
506
00:23:59,705 --> 00:24:01,338
the edges would be cut off.
507
00:24:01,340 --> 00:24:03,007
I looked at a few of them,
508
00:24:03,009 --> 00:24:07,578
I was appalled at the
improper aspect ratios.
509
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:10,047
And the lack of rich contrasts
510
00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:12,483
and resolution, and, uh...
511
00:24:12,485 --> 00:24:14,385
never did buy one.
512
00:24:14,387 --> 00:24:16,554
And predicted
they wouldn't catch on.
513
00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:18,389
Original aspect ratio
never caught on
514
00:24:18,391 --> 00:24:21,492
'cause people thought
they were being gypped.
515
00:24:21,494 --> 00:24:25,629
"I've got black bars on the
top and bottom of my picture!"
516
00:24:25,631 --> 00:24:27,565
Yeah! That's so
you see the sides!
517
00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:29,366
They ne- it never sunk in!
518
00:24:29,368 --> 00:24:32,169
Now I know people that
have the widescreen TV's,
519
00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:35,306
so if they watch Casablanca,
they zoom in on it
520
00:24:35,308 --> 00:24:36,540
to fill up the picture!
521
00:24:36,542 --> 00:24:38,542
I don't get it, I don't get it.
I don't get it.
522
00:24:38,544 --> 00:24:40,845
Sometimes it looks better
than the widescreen.
523
00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:43,781
If you get the VHS of
Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid,
524
00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:45,483
it's horribly pan and scanned
525
00:24:45,485 --> 00:24:47,718
and, like, they
zoom in at times.
526
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,820
But it's got this
interesting aesthetic to it,
527
00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:51,722
which I like
and actually prefer that.
528
00:24:51,724 --> 00:24:54,124
You can't make that
camera movement with a camera,
529
00:24:54,126 --> 00:24:55,392
like, it only exists in
530
00:24:55,394 --> 00:24:57,461
however they used
to make the pan and scan.
531
00:24:57,463 --> 00:24:59,129
So when you saw stuff like that,
you just thought, like,
532
00:24:59,131 --> 00:25:00,698
"That was a weird
camera movement."
533
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:02,032
I don't know,
I- I enjoy pan and scan.
534
00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:03,300
It doesn't bother me.
535
00:25:03,302 --> 00:25:06,103
I don't like it when it's
completely cropped...
536
00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:07,738
Like, where they just
cut it off.
537
00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:09,206
Where they just
don't give a shit.
538
00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:10,508
They just cut
the left and right off,
539
00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:11,876
and then stuff is missing.
540
00:25:11,878 --> 00:25:13,644
Or when they smoosh it,
I don't like that.
541
00:25:13,646 --> 00:25:16,514
But I like that weird... the-
the weird ones
542
00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:18,749
where it moves back and forth.
I think that's pretty good.
543
00:25:21,152 --> 00:25:23,821
Oh, fantastic! Closer, closer.
544
00:25:23,823 --> 00:25:26,290
The warmth, the wetness.
Unbelievable!
545
00:25:26,292 --> 00:25:28,592
This is what it's all about!
This is heat.
546
00:25:28,594 --> 00:25:30,594
This'll make me famous!
547
00:25:30,596 --> 00:25:32,730
We gotta talk
about the VHS movement.
548
00:25:32,732 --> 00:25:33,631
And I've been lucky.
549
00:25:33,633 --> 00:25:35,199
I've been there
at all the innovations.
550
00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:36,967
I've been here
at all the changes.
551
00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:38,869
We went from a
qualitative media,
552
00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:40,905
to a quantitative media.
553
00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:43,774
The video concept
made it easier,
554
00:25:43,776 --> 00:25:45,543
but did it make it better?
555
00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:46,911
I don't know.
556
00:25:46,913 --> 00:25:48,078
[speaking Japanese]
557
00:26:20,845 --> 00:26:24,481
It was the very tail-end
of the theatrical distribution,
558
00:26:24,483 --> 00:26:26,817
and it was more of, um,
559
00:26:26,819 --> 00:26:29,219
video stores were just
popping up all over.
560
00:26:29,221 --> 00:26:33,190
So you had a lot of independent,
adult bookstores,
561
00:26:33,192 --> 00:26:35,492
and business was thriving.
562
00:26:35,494 --> 00:26:39,163
The video boom
came out of the facility
563
00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:40,998
to watch this material at home,
564
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,601
and no longer have to be
ashamed, theoretically,
565
00:26:43,603 --> 00:26:45,002
to go to a theater.
566
00:26:45,004 --> 00:26:47,972
And I knew that
once this door was open
567
00:26:47,974 --> 00:26:49,506
it would never be closed.
568
00:26:49,508 --> 00:26:51,575
Why don't you
move the teddy bear
569
00:26:51,577 --> 00:26:54,044
and come sit by me.
570
00:26:54,046 --> 00:26:58,882
Nah, I got a better idea,
why don't you come over here.
571
00:26:58,884 --> 00:27:00,584
Pardon me, Teddy.
572
00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:10,561
[speaking Japanese]
573
00:27:27,212 --> 00:27:32,816
Any major consumer
electronics medium...
574
00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:34,118
it's success or failure
in the market
575
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,285
will be determined based on
576
00:27:35,287 --> 00:27:37,721
it's relationship with the adult
entertainment business.
577
00:27:37,723 --> 00:27:39,790
And I think VHS is
where we learned that.
578
00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:41,191
[speaking Japanese]
579
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,682
I like the way a film looks,
580
00:28:04,684 --> 00:28:07,851
but I think that video
probably makes the end consumer
581
00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:10,320
feel like he's
a part of the experience.
582
00:28:10,322 --> 00:28:11,755
[speaking Japanese]
583
00:28:37,749 --> 00:28:40,784
What video did change
about the porn industry
584
00:28:40,786 --> 00:28:45,322
was the idea that since
we're distributing on video,
585
00:28:45,324 --> 00:28:47,124
we can shoot on video.
586
00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:48,926
Changed the economics
of that business.
587
00:28:48,928 --> 00:28:50,694
And made the business
so much bigger
588
00:28:50,696 --> 00:28:52,229
than it had ever been before.
589
00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:57,634
What if we took these big boxes
you know, in their trays
590
00:28:57,636 --> 00:28:59,436
and made them smaller,
591
00:28:59,438 --> 00:29:03,006
and maybe even we
could attempt to sell them
592
00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:07,644
in alternative markets,
like airports or bookstores.
593
00:29:07,646 --> 00:29:09,213
And they were selling
like hot cakes.
594
00:29:09,215 --> 00:29:11,215
And the business took off.
595
00:29:11,217 --> 00:29:14,051
And that's how we created
the sell-through title.
596
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:20,491
Media had this crazy idea
of releasing tapes
597
00:29:20,493 --> 00:29:24,161
at the, then,
shocking price of $19.95.
598
00:29:24,163 --> 00:29:25,729
They were calling it
sell-through.
599
00:29:25,731 --> 00:29:26,864
Every other company was going,
600
00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:28,532
"Oh that's a stupid idea,
it's ridiculous."
601
00:29:28,534 --> 00:29:30,000
You know, 'cause they thought
the more money it cost,
602
00:29:30,002 --> 00:29:31,001
the more money you'd make.
603
00:29:31,003 --> 00:29:34,338
"Gee, I wish they'd sell
Basket Case for that."
604
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:37,207
Because it would be
the only film like that.
605
00:29:37,209 --> 00:29:40,778
A disreputable, unrated,
blood and gore film,
606
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:42,579
out on the market. And...
607
00:29:42,581 --> 00:29:45,916
teenagers, which were
my core audience,
608
00:29:45,918 --> 00:29:47,751
they couldn't afford $49.95,
609
00:29:47,753 --> 00:29:49,686
but they could all
afford 20 bucks.
610
00:29:49,688 --> 00:29:51,421
Media thought it was
a terrible idea.
611
00:29:51,423 --> 00:29:53,323
They thought it was
such a bad idea, they said,
612
00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,893
"We'll do it, but,
if it doesn't move,
613
00:29:55,895 --> 00:29:57,060
we're gonna go right back
614
00:29:57,062 --> 00:29:58,796
to the regular price."
615
00:29:59,531 --> 00:30:03,634
[screaming]
616
00:30:05,136 --> 00:30:07,738
By the time Halloween
came around, my god,
617
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:09,306
Basket Case was everywhere.
618
00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:11,275
We made a fortune.
619
00:30:11,277 --> 00:30:14,211
It did spectacular. I mean,
I bought this apartment.
620
00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:16,947
This was my down payment
that I needed from the bank
621
00:30:16,949 --> 00:30:18,148
to buy this apartment.
622
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:20,584
Suddenly the sell-through
market was born.
623
00:30:20,586 --> 00:30:23,787
I'd like to think Basket Case
had a lot to do with that.
624
00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:26,723
[screaming]
625
00:30:28,393 --> 00:30:31,528
It was great for independents
because, the major studios
626
00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:34,865
really caught on very slowly,
to video.
627
00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:38,669
And there were so many
examples of independent films,
628
00:30:38,671 --> 00:30:40,671
that were brand new
to that audience,
629
00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:43,974
that were more desirable
than the big studio films.
630
00:30:43,976 --> 00:30:48,045
So, many times, those little
pictures would out-perform,
631
00:30:48,047 --> 00:30:52,382
Not theatrical, on TV and other
deals that were happening.
632
00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:53,851
But when it came to
the video market,
633
00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:54,852
in those early days,
634
00:30:54,854 --> 00:30:56,553
it was incredible.
635
00:30:56,555 --> 00:30:59,690
It's the return of cult hero
Freddie Krueger!
636
00:30:59,692 --> 00:31:01,925
And for the past two summers,
Freddie's nightmares
637
00:31:01,927 --> 00:31:04,461
have been the nation's top
video rental titles.
638
00:31:04,463 --> 00:31:06,997
Now, it's Freddie's
third time around,
639
00:31:06,999 --> 00:31:08,799
and he's all set to
claw his way
640
00:31:08,801 --> 00:31:10,500
beyond the
200,000 mark!
641
00:31:10,502 --> 00:31:13,270
The advent of home video also
made companies very successful.
642
00:31:13,272 --> 00:31:15,239
Very small companies
very successful.
643
00:31:15,241 --> 00:31:16,607
And I think that's largely
644
00:31:16,609 --> 00:31:20,210
why we have so many
insane VHS oddities now,
645
00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:22,312
is because there would be a huge
Hollywood movie that would hit,
646
00:31:22,314 --> 00:31:24,581
like Indiana Jones or
Friday the 13th,
647
00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:28,118
and you would get a whole
plethora of films
648
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,087
that were aping that,
made for 12 cents.
649
00:31:30,089 --> 00:31:32,689
Production price tag, you know,
Terminator, 80 million,
650
00:31:32,691 --> 00:31:34,558
Puppetmaster, $400,000.
651
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,260
It's like, you know, it's not
an even playing field,
652
00:31:36,262 --> 00:31:39,529
but in the video store,
they're all on the same shelf,
653
00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:41,265
they're all in
the same size boxes.
654
00:31:41,267 --> 00:31:43,867
Look, if idiots like Troma
can make a movie that...
655
00:31:43,869 --> 00:31:47,404
sells million and millions
of dollars of videocassettes,
656
00:31:47,406 --> 00:31:48,939
well, then anybody can do it.
657
00:31:50,675 --> 00:31:53,076
[screaming]
658
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,479
Distribution was handled
very differently.
659
00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:56,813
There were
a lot more distributers.
660
00:31:56,815 --> 00:31:58,482
There were people that were
willing to experiment
661
00:31:58,484 --> 00:31:59,516
in home video.
662
00:31:59,518 --> 00:32:02,686
It was so new that it felt like
the wild west.
663
00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:03,954
It felt like anybody
could get a foothold
664
00:32:03,956 --> 00:32:07,090
and be a major player
in VHS distribution.
665
00:32:07,092 --> 00:32:12,129
I was approached by
a couple of producers who..
666
00:32:12,131 --> 00:32:16,934
wanted to produce a video which
would go straight to home video.
667
00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:18,135
And this was something new.
668
00:32:18,137 --> 00:32:22,439
My idea was I would create
an electronic aquarium.
669
00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:24,174
People found this intriguing.
670
00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:25,842
Here was this new thing
671
00:32:25,844 --> 00:32:29,680
that used this new medium
that had been created.
672
00:32:33,318 --> 00:32:37,421
What really, I think, caused
the early explosion in video,
673
00:32:37,423 --> 00:32:39,523
was Jane Fonda's workout tape.
674
00:32:39,525 --> 00:32:42,859
And now count to four.
Heels forward.
675
00:32:42,861 --> 00:32:45,896
And then, one... two... three...
676
00:32:45,898 --> 00:32:49,566
So, this was a tape that
did something original,
677
00:32:49,568 --> 00:32:51,768
which was, gave you
an opportunity to exercise,
678
00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:54,237
in your home, in front
of your TV, by yourself.
679
00:32:54,239 --> 00:32:55,672
Don't need to go to a gym.
680
00:32:55,674 --> 00:32:57,207
It was a very good concept.
681
00:32:57,209 --> 00:32:58,775
And it had never really
been done before.
682
00:32:58,777 --> 00:33:01,211
Well, the early days of video,
it was a seller's market.
683
00:33:01,213 --> 00:33:02,913
It was great. I mean,
they couldn't get enough.
684
00:33:02,915 --> 00:33:05,949
This was a worldwide exposure,
and there was a window
685
00:33:05,951 --> 00:33:07,651
where if you made
a clever movie,
686
00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:09,386
and it was relatively well done,
687
00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:10,954
and it was in the right genre,
688
00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:14,091
you know, it was an action film
or horror, or sci-fi,
689
00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:15,225
you would make some money.
690
00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:17,060
So it was Toei,
which is one of the...
691
00:33:17,062 --> 00:33:19,096
traditional major studios
in Japan,
692
00:33:19,098 --> 00:33:23,567
that sort of launched this
straight-to-video market.
693
00:33:23,569 --> 00:33:25,535
Whereas, in the U.S., largely,
694
00:33:25,537 --> 00:33:27,571
video was, for a very long time,
sort of demonized
695
00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:29,239
by the traditional studios.
696
00:33:29,241 --> 00:33:30,574
[speaking Japanese]
697
00:34:06,911 --> 00:34:10,680
[gunfire]
698
00:34:25,363 --> 00:34:26,963
[speaking Japanese]
699
00:34:55,726 --> 00:34:58,161
Vestron Video,
they were very aggressive.
700
00:34:58,163 --> 00:35:01,298
If you had a movie, and
you went to some place life AFM,
701
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,200
the American Film Market,
or Cannes,
702
00:35:03,202 --> 00:35:07,070
and the video rights for your
movie were not locked up,
703
00:35:07,072 --> 00:35:08,638
almost immediately,
you'd be visited
704
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,340
by a salesperson from Vestron,
705
00:35:10,342 --> 00:35:12,876
saying, "Here... here's a
million dollars right up front,
706
00:35:12,878 --> 00:35:14,077
give me the movie.
707
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,913
In the initial stages,
you would go into a store
708
00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:18,315
and find something
that you wanted.
709
00:35:18,317 --> 00:35:19,649
You wouldn't see a commercial,
710
00:35:19,651 --> 00:35:22,986
you wouldn't read anything
in the magazine or newspaper.
711
00:35:22,988 --> 00:35:25,155
I mean, it was just that new.
712
00:35:25,157 --> 00:35:26,556
All these stores were opening up
713
00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:30,293
and they needed to fill
the shelves with new titles.
714
00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:32,796
So there was this huge demand.
715
00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:34,664
It didn't matter
if they were good or bad.
716
00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:37,567
You have a pretty
flourishing industry
717
00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:40,637
that's based on
renting video tapes.
718
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:45,775
30 to 35 thousand video rental
stores across the country.
719
00:35:45,777 --> 00:35:48,211
Most often
mom and pop operations.
720
00:35:48,213 --> 00:35:50,914
Charlie would have
title contests
721
00:35:50,916 --> 00:35:52,449
for his employees.
722
00:35:53,684 --> 00:35:57,187
And if you came up with a title
that he used, you'd get $500.
723
00:35:57,189 --> 00:36:00,123
So everybody would come up with
10 or 15 titles
724
00:36:00,125 --> 00:36:02,559
and he would narrow it down to,
like, a hundred,
725
00:36:02,561 --> 00:36:04,561
and then he would
commission box art.
726
00:36:04,563 --> 00:36:07,197
And then Austin Furst would
come in from Vestron.
727
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,533
He would just come into the room
and he'd go around, and say,
728
00:36:09,535 --> 00:36:11,268
"I'll take that one,
and that one,
729
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:13,303
and that one, and that one."
730
00:36:13,305 --> 00:36:15,739
And then Charlie would bring
the writers and directors in
731
00:36:15,741 --> 00:36:18,208
and then say, "I want you
to do this one and that one."
732
00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:23,013
[synth music]
733
00:36:38,563 --> 00:36:42,432
That was an era of great
equivalency at video stores.
734
00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:44,100
I think people
would rent anything
735
00:36:44,102 --> 00:36:46,002
with a cover
that interested them.
736
00:36:46,004 --> 00:36:48,538
It wasn't about studio,
it wasn't about movie star,
737
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:50,140
it wasn't about budget.
738
00:36:50,142 --> 00:36:53,777
When you're looking at a shelf,
it's very democratic.
739
00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:55,111
The best cover catches your eye.
740
00:36:55,113 --> 00:36:58,481
One thing I do, is go to video
stores whenever I'm in them,
741
00:36:58,483 --> 00:37:00,517
and find the movie,
and I pick it out,
742
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:03,553
and I put it flat
so it's facing front.
743
00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:05,522
A little extra advertising
can't hurt.
744
00:37:05,524 --> 00:37:06,990
[laughs] I really do.
745
00:37:06,992 --> 00:37:09,326
I'm like, looking around to see
that nobody looks.
746
00:37:09,328 --> 00:37:12,295
A lot of them I picked
just on the cover art.
747
00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:13,697
Malone!
748
00:37:13,699 --> 00:37:15,632
That's a cover buy.
Have I watched it?
749
00:37:15,634 --> 00:37:17,567
I'm not gonna lie to you
and tell you
I've watched this movie.
750
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:21,404
But, if this happens somewhere
in it, then it's a good movie.
751
00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:23,940
Also, there's something
to be said
752
00:37:23,942 --> 00:37:26,076
about something so large,
753
00:37:26,078 --> 00:37:28,144
you could kill
a small child with this.
754
00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:30,247
Like, you could bludgeon
somebody to death with this.
755
00:37:30,249 --> 00:37:32,716
That was a handful, when you
bought one of those.
756
00:37:32,718 --> 00:37:35,552
And it left a lot of space for
a really good artist
757
00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:37,654
to actually create something
758
00:37:37,656 --> 00:37:39,556
that in itself
was a work of art.
759
00:37:39,558 --> 00:37:42,525
When you did a major film
it was fun to see it.
760
00:37:42,527 --> 00:37:44,227
It's the kind of job that
761
00:37:44,229 --> 00:37:45,962
a lot of illustrators
really cherish,
762
00:37:45,964 --> 00:37:47,731
and love to do.
763
00:37:47,733 --> 00:37:49,866
It used to have a battery and
you'd press the button,
764
00:37:49,868 --> 00:37:52,902
and then Frankenhooker says,
"Wanna date?"
765
00:37:52,904 --> 00:37:55,905
Um... Because that's
one of her catchlines...
766
00:37:55,907 --> 00:37:58,008
catchphrases in the movie.
"Wanna date?"
767
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:59,376
She's a Frankenhooker.
768
00:37:59,378 --> 00:38:02,379
I have the box
but it doesn't work anymore.
769
00:38:02,381 --> 00:38:05,649
But it was this talking box.
And you'd press here,
770
00:38:05,651 --> 00:38:08,084
and you'd hear a voice go
"Wanna date?"
771
00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:10,954
When you push the button on
the box, she goes, "Wanna date?"
772
00:38:10,956 --> 00:38:12,222
It was obsessive.
You just sat there,
773
00:38:12,224 --> 00:38:15,392
"Wanna date?" "Wanna date?"
"Wanna date?" Wanna date?"
774
00:38:15,394 --> 00:38:18,928
When this was in the stores,
that's all people were doing.
775
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:22,732
I think the talking box
did more to sell the movie
776
00:38:22,734 --> 00:38:24,267
than the movie did.
777
00:38:24,269 --> 00:38:25,802
"If you only see
one movie this year,
778
00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:27,470
it should be Frankenhooker."
779
00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:29,072
Of course it should be.
780
00:38:29,074 --> 00:38:31,041
I mean you see things
that are like,
781
00:38:31,043 --> 00:38:34,311
wow, this box art
is not selling.
782
00:38:34,313 --> 00:38:36,413
And, especially being a buyer
for as long as I have,
783
00:38:36,415 --> 00:38:38,848
I can really look at stuff
and go,
784
00:38:38,850 --> 00:38:40,884
"This box art
will sell this movie."
785
00:38:40,886 --> 00:38:43,853
Looking at those, like
2000 Maniacs, just...
786
00:38:43,855 --> 00:38:45,955
the blood coming
out of the mouth,
787
00:38:45,957 --> 00:38:48,725
or the Color Me Blood Red,
with the woman, like,
788
00:38:48,727 --> 00:38:51,895
just totally splayed.
Guts hanging out.
789
00:38:51,897 --> 00:38:54,064
I was just like,
"That is for me."
790
00:38:54,066 --> 00:38:55,565
People have a certain amount
of nostalgia
791
00:38:55,567 --> 00:38:57,300
for kinda old VHS stuff.
792
00:38:57,302 --> 00:38:59,469
And some of it was pretty great.
Most of it was awful.
793
00:38:59,471 --> 00:39:00,704
I mean, if you're
objective about it.
794
00:39:00,706 --> 00:39:05,608
There are terrible, terrible,
unspeakably bad movies
795
00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:07,577
that have some of the
best covers I've ever seen.
796
00:39:07,579 --> 00:39:10,814
I admire the fact that
those companies figured out,
797
00:39:10,816 --> 00:39:13,650
"Man, all we gotta do
is wrap it nicely."
798
00:39:13,652 --> 00:39:17,954
This was ultimately used
as a video cover,
799
00:39:17,956 --> 00:39:21,257
for Chevy Chase Funny Farm.
800
00:39:21,259 --> 00:39:25,595
Sometimes it's just the
simpler image that read better.
801
00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:27,464
It was a great way
for so many artists
802
00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,533
to make a living,
803
00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:32,635
and there was a lot of
great art produced,
804
00:39:32,637 --> 00:39:35,071
especially during
the 70's and 80's.
805
00:39:35,073 --> 00:39:37,207
We would fight to get our
name in there, and...
806
00:39:37,209 --> 00:39:38,942
some would allow it and
others would take it out.
807
00:39:38,944 --> 00:39:41,111
And so we'd kinda
hide it in somewhere.
808
00:39:41,113 --> 00:39:43,513
My name is in the hair.
If you turn it upside-down
809
00:39:43,515 --> 00:39:45,482
and have a look at it,
you'll see it.
810
00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:48,284
When somebody does kind of
a cheap, fast photoshop,
811
00:39:48,286 --> 00:39:50,286
here's a bunch
of floating heads,
812
00:39:50,288 --> 00:39:52,322
you know, buy it because
these actors are in it.
813
00:39:52,324 --> 00:39:54,791
Like, that artwork isn't gonna
move the needle at all.
814
00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:58,261
I dunno what happened, I mean,
they actually used to use color.
815
00:39:58,263 --> 00:40:00,597
I don't see color
all that frequently.
816
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,165
It's like they're designing
shit for dogs.
817
00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:05,335
I think that everyone forgot how
awesome a painted cover is,
818
00:40:05,337 --> 00:40:08,304
of a dude with his shirt off...
holding a machine gun.
819
00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:09,439
Why would you
take a photo of that
820
00:40:09,441 --> 00:40:12,409
when you can paint a
beautiful portrait of it.
821
00:40:12,411 --> 00:40:14,244
That's the stuff
that's gonna keep it
822
00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:16,946
out of the mainstream.
823
00:40:16,948 --> 00:40:20,617
You know, the big box stores
don't want that painted artwork.
824
00:40:20,619 --> 00:40:23,019
The amount of work I was given
from the movie studios
825
00:40:23,021 --> 00:40:27,290
really started to slow down
in the early 90's.
826
00:40:27,292 --> 00:40:29,325
Then, all of a sudden, they said
827
00:40:29,327 --> 00:40:32,195
that I had to learn how to do it
on a computer,
828
00:40:32,197 --> 00:40:33,496
or they couldn't use me anymore.
829
00:40:33,498 --> 00:40:35,865
Once I mastered
the tool of the computer,
830
00:40:35,867 --> 00:40:38,034
I was able to create
what I did before,
831
00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:39,803
maybe even a bit better.
832
00:40:39,805 --> 00:40:42,038
Don't give me art.
I can't stand art.
833
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,007
The worst covers on the planet.
Criterion.
834
00:40:44,009 --> 00:40:45,074
I'm sorry, guys.
835
00:40:45,076 --> 00:40:48,244
They're the most
boring covers ever made.
836
00:40:48,246 --> 00:40:49,746
How could you not
wanna see this?
837
00:40:49,748 --> 00:40:52,615
How could you not
wanna own this?
838
00:40:52,617 --> 00:40:57,320
My god... you know, this...
this is a cover.
839
00:40:57,322 --> 00:40:59,556
Yeah.
- Yeah.
840
00:40:59,558 --> 00:41:03,893
Criterion, go fuck yourself.
This is how you sell it.
841
00:41:03,895 --> 00:41:05,695
[80's style synth music]
842
00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:08,198
♪
843
00:41:18,676 --> 00:41:20,577
So by 1986,
844
00:41:20,579 --> 00:41:23,279
home video is giving
as much money to Hollywood
845
00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:25,048
as the box office.
846
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:26,349
And it's all new money.
847
00:41:26,351 --> 00:41:29,419
20th Century Fox is bought up
by the News Corporation.
848
00:41:29,421 --> 00:41:32,255
Paramount is
bought up by Viacom.
849
00:41:32,257 --> 00:41:35,892
because of home video,
you actually have Sony,
850
00:41:35,894 --> 00:41:38,261
an electronics manufacturer,
851
00:41:38,263 --> 00:41:41,397
deciding never to lose
a format war again.
852
00:41:41,399 --> 00:41:44,801
And the way to do that was to
buy up a film studio.
853
00:41:44,803 --> 00:41:46,269
So they bought Columbia.
854
00:41:46,271 --> 00:41:47,971
So by the 1990's,
855
00:41:47,973 --> 00:41:51,007
you have a new landscape
of media conglomerates.
856
00:41:51,009 --> 00:41:53,076
And they represented that film
857
00:41:53,078 --> 00:41:56,446
was switching over
to a major brand.
858
00:41:56,448 --> 00:42:00,550
That you can spin-off from film,
into many different markets
859
00:42:00,552 --> 00:42:04,521
with the sales of videos, music,
toy action figures,
860
00:42:04,523 --> 00:42:06,422
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...
861
00:42:06,424 --> 00:42:09,792
You know, we're down now,
to the same basic five or six
862
00:42:09,794 --> 00:42:13,530
corporate pipelines that supply
almost all of our media,
863
00:42:13,532 --> 00:42:17,667
and unfortunately,
they're not voracious enough
864
00:42:17,669 --> 00:42:20,270
to sort of reach outside
their own catalogues.
865
00:42:20,272 --> 00:42:22,705
So you don't have
that sort of...
866
00:42:22,707 --> 00:42:25,275
hunger in the
marketplace anymore.
867
00:42:25,277 --> 00:42:28,645
Blockbuster came in
and they took over.
868
00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:31,948
And they really got rid of all
the mom and pop chains.
869
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:34,551
It's name says it all.
It was about blockbusters.
870
00:42:34,553 --> 00:42:36,085
That's all they were
interested in.
871
00:42:36,087 --> 00:42:38,955
Video rental is gone.
872
00:42:38,957 --> 00:42:42,692
You know, that was the
dominant way of seeing films,
873
00:42:42,694 --> 00:42:45,495
you know, 20 years ago.
And it's dead.
874
00:42:45,497 --> 00:42:47,230
Even though we lost all that,
yes, we have the internet
875
00:42:47,232 --> 00:42:50,400
I'm not gonna say that
the internet isn't great.
876
00:42:50,402 --> 00:42:54,704
It's incredible. In some ways
it's almost worth it.
877
00:42:54,706 --> 00:42:57,106
Yeah, there's definitely a sense
of loss, of course, I think.
878
00:42:57,108 --> 00:42:58,908
But, it's awesome to see
879
00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:00,109
the places that
are still around,
880
00:43:00,111 --> 00:43:02,245
like Cinefile, Odd Obsession,
881
00:43:02,247 --> 00:43:04,948
Scarecrow,
I Heart Video, Vulcan.
882
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:07,283
They're still going strong.
883
00:43:07,285 --> 00:43:10,653
This is our video tape costume,
that we have someone who, uh...
884
00:43:10,655 --> 00:43:15,658
gets in and jumps around, during
the trivia contests that we do.
885
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:20,830
And it's pretty easy to get on,
you just slide it...
886
00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:26,636
Kinda like this.
887
00:43:26,638 --> 00:43:28,404
And jumps around like that.
888
00:43:28,406 --> 00:43:31,608
We were thinking of hiring some
guy to just be on the sidewalk
889
00:43:31,610 --> 00:43:34,010
and just waving
at people. But...
890
00:43:34,012 --> 00:43:35,945
nobody wants to do that
for minimum wage.
891
00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:38,314
What VHS had, because it
dominated for so long,
892
00:43:38,316 --> 00:43:40,249
was just an appetite.
893
00:43:40,251 --> 00:43:41,584
They had to fill those shelves.
894
00:43:41,586 --> 00:43:43,252
They had to have
new product out.
895
00:43:43,254 --> 00:43:45,822
And so distributers reached
deep into their catalogues,
896
00:43:45,824 --> 00:43:47,056
and they had to.
897
00:43:47,058 --> 00:43:50,627
That was, I think,
the greatest era of discovery.
898
00:43:50,629 --> 00:43:54,864
VHS had an unusually long life
for a home video format.
899
00:43:54,866 --> 00:43:57,333
And I think that is something
that we'll never see
happen again.
900
00:43:57,335 --> 00:44:00,970
We'll never see Blu-Ray dominate
the market for 15 years.
901
00:44:00,972 --> 00:44:02,705
It just won't happen.
902
00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:16,185
When I first started
it was like,
903
00:44:16,187 --> 00:44:17,587
I'm a college grad,
904
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:20,523
I've had a business, and now I'm
gonna work in a flea market.
905
00:44:20,525 --> 00:44:22,925
People would ask me in church,
or whatever,
906
00:44:22,927 --> 00:44:25,361
I sell movies
at the flea market.
907
00:44:25,363 --> 00:44:26,629
And it's like "Ugghh!"
908
00:44:26,631 --> 00:44:29,432
The funny thing about digging
through all of Wayne's stuff
909
00:44:29,434 --> 00:44:30,867
at the house...
910
00:44:30,869 --> 00:44:34,537
Is that there's no separation
whatsoever between genres.
911
00:44:34,539 --> 00:44:36,172
Basically you'll have, like
The Brave Little Toaster
912
00:44:36,174 --> 00:44:40,276
and then Enormous Wangs of
The Northern Yukon, er whatever,
913
00:44:40,278 --> 00:44:41,344
and they're just, like,
right next to each other
914
00:44:41,346 --> 00:44:43,913
'cause they're both
oversize boxes.
915
00:44:43,915 --> 00:44:46,015
That's a great film, you should
check that one out.
916
00:44:46,017 --> 00:44:48,785
We're The Picture Show.
917
00:44:48,787 --> 00:44:51,688
Been here since 1990.
918
00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:54,590
Got lots of customers that were
kids, would come in,
919
00:44:54,592 --> 00:44:56,859
their parents would
buy 'em kids movies,
920
00:44:56,861 --> 00:44:58,928
are now married and bringin'
in their kids.
921
00:44:58,930 --> 00:45:01,864
So, that's the biggest thing
that keeps me goin'.
922
00:45:01,866 --> 00:45:05,668
And so I have people comin' in,
most of them over 55 or 60,
923
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:08,538
that still like VHS,
still buy VHS,
924
00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:09,739
that's what they want.
925
00:45:09,741 --> 00:45:12,742
And then, young guys like you,
who are collectors,
926
00:45:12,744 --> 00:45:14,444
and they want the old stuff,
927
00:45:14,446 --> 00:45:16,746
and they wanna get into
all that.
928
00:45:16,748 --> 00:45:21,017
This is a typical VHS buyer.
929
00:45:21,019 --> 00:45:25,121
Uh, kind of, low-class.
930
00:45:25,123 --> 00:45:28,825
[laughs] Here's a movie about a
donkey named Paco.
931
00:45:28,827 --> 00:45:31,861
"He'll steal your heart
and your wallets."
932
00:45:31,863 --> 00:45:35,264
Wayne charges a lot for his VHS.
933
00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:37,767
Like, you know, way more than
anyone else in America
934
00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:39,168
probably charges for their VHS.
935
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:41,904
It's like a flat rate of 9 bucks
if he likes you,
936
00:45:41,906 --> 00:45:43,473
10 bucks if he doesn't.
937
00:45:43,475 --> 00:45:45,975
And there's no way on earth that
Paco is worth 9 bucks.
938
00:45:45,977 --> 00:45:47,610
He actually is stealing
my wallets.
939
00:45:47,612 --> 00:45:50,913
[Jones] You gotta have
the real movie people.
940
00:45:50,915 --> 00:45:52,582
The people that know
you can't get this stuff
941
00:45:52,584 --> 00:45:54,050
on Netflix, or whatever.
[Jones] Yeah.
942
00:45:54,052 --> 00:45:56,953
And those people
are fewer and fewer.
943
00:45:56,955 --> 00:45:58,988
I've just kept on keepin' on.
944
00:45:58,990 --> 00:46:00,323
[Carlson] But you have
a personal...
945
00:46:00,325 --> 00:46:01,691
fondness for VHS I'm sure.
946
00:46:01,693 --> 00:46:05,261
[Jones] Oh sure, Yeah,
I still watch VHS.
947
00:46:05,263 --> 00:46:07,130
And if I've got a choice
to watch somethin'
948
00:46:07,132 --> 00:46:10,933
I got all this new stuff around
here, but I'll end up watchin'
949
00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:14,070
an old movie. You know to me,
it's like an old friend.
950
00:46:14,072 --> 00:46:19,275
We display about
17,000 titles on VHS.
951
00:46:19,277 --> 00:46:23,212
We display about
12,000 titles on DVD.
952
00:46:23,214 --> 00:46:25,481
Probably up there,
I have another...
953
00:46:25,483 --> 00:46:27,784
15, 20,000 duplicates,
954
00:46:27,786 --> 00:46:30,319
and around here
in the two rooms,
955
00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:34,390
I probably have close to
another 50,000... VHS.
956
00:46:34,392 --> 00:46:36,058
[Carlson]
So, that's over 100,000?
957
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:40,763
50, 60, 70, yeah,
probably at least 80, 85, maybe.
958
00:46:40,765 --> 00:46:43,466
And I don't really know.
I'm not countin' 'em.
959
00:46:43,468 --> 00:46:46,402
This is the video room
inside Wayne's house,
960
00:46:46,404 --> 00:46:49,138
which is like total chaos.
961
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:53,376
Like the earth has vomited up,
you know, 12 video stores.
962
00:46:53,378 --> 00:46:56,012
You do the best
out in the country.
963
00:46:56,014 --> 00:46:58,181
You don't wanna be in town.
964
00:46:58,183 --> 00:47:01,017
You're fightin' all the
Best Buys
965
00:47:01,019 --> 00:47:03,186
and the Wal-Marts and on and on.
966
00:47:03,188 --> 00:47:05,488
Up there, I'm the
biggest movie thing
967
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:06,989
to a lot of people comin' in
968
00:47:06,991 --> 00:47:09,125
from a 40 or 50 mile radius.
969
00:47:09,127 --> 00:47:11,027
We can talk intelligently
970
00:47:11,029 --> 00:47:13,296
about 90 percent
of the movies up there,
971
00:47:13,298 --> 00:47:16,265
and we've probably seen
three percent of 'em.
972
00:47:16,267 --> 00:47:19,802
If you don't know, then you go,
"I hear it's a good movie."
973
00:47:19,804 --> 00:47:24,974
Or... "Yeah, that's a real good,
that's a pretty good movie."
974
00:47:24,976 --> 00:47:27,777
Are you ever honest and say
"I hear it's terrible"?
975
00:47:27,779 --> 00:47:29,545
No, no, no no no no.
976
00:47:29,547 --> 00:47:32,415
That's absolutely a no-no.
977
00:47:32,417 --> 00:47:35,218
And you go, "It's a pretty box,
look at the box."
978
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:40,189
Well, most of it, you've just
heard people tell you it sucks,
979
00:47:40,191 --> 00:47:42,358
but you don't know it,
'cause I haven't seen it.
980
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,361
Nothin' was more depressing,
to me,
981
00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:47,964
than to wake up
on January first,
982
00:47:47,966 --> 00:47:50,833
and know exactly
what you're gonna make...
983
00:47:50,835 --> 00:47:55,805
I want to at least have
the possibility of makin'...
984
00:47:55,807 --> 00:47:58,541
$50,000 or makin' $10,000.
985
00:47:58,543 --> 00:48:01,277
But at least I don't know.
It's still out there.
986
00:48:02,546 --> 00:48:04,413
This VHS home video system
987
00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:06,949
has every single function
you will ever need.
988
00:48:06,951 --> 00:48:10,353
It was made by JVC,
the people who invented VHS.
989
00:48:10,355 --> 00:48:12,455
A home video system
so advanced,
990
00:48:12,457 --> 00:48:14,023
it's used in more sets
around the world
991
00:48:14,025 --> 00:48:15,358
than any other.
992
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,659
But the best invention
993
00:48:16,661 --> 00:48:19,829
is our cordless
remote control unit,
994
00:48:19,831 --> 00:48:22,198
which puts every function
of the machine itself
995
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,567
into the palm of your hand.
996
00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:29,338
VHS came out and the
rewind button was introduced.
997
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:32,341
That was pretty much
revolutionary for film-makers,
998
00:48:32,343 --> 00:48:34,377
'cause you could just, easily,
with the press of a button,
999
00:48:34,379 --> 00:48:36,879
just go back
and constantly re-watch
1000
00:48:36,881 --> 00:48:40,149
how Tom Savini stuck an arrow
through someone's chest.
1001
00:48:40,151 --> 00:48:43,719
You could go back and pause it
and look at it closely.
1002
00:48:43,721 --> 00:48:46,555
Also understand and dissect
the structure of editing.
1003
00:48:46,557 --> 00:48:50,226
Because usually editing is
designed to be very seamless,
1004
00:48:50,228 --> 00:48:53,296
and you couldn't figure out how
shots would be put together
1005
00:48:53,298 --> 00:48:56,399
to create a flow, and an effect,
1006
00:48:56,401 --> 00:48:58,401
and a gag especially,
or a stunt.
1007
00:48:58,403 --> 00:49:01,270
It's really increased
the ability
1008
00:49:01,272 --> 00:49:03,639
for people to understand
the language of film.
1009
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:07,476
[speaking Japanese]
1010
00:49:34,771 --> 00:49:38,374
VHS kind of, I think, taught
a lot of people about
1011
00:49:38,376 --> 00:49:40,543
the nature of film,
the nature of editing,
1012
00:49:40,545 --> 00:49:41,811
the nature of sound,
1013
00:49:41,813 --> 00:49:43,079
and how those things mattered.
1014
00:49:43,081 --> 00:49:45,781
Not on purpose,
but on accident, like...
1015
00:49:45,783 --> 00:49:47,683
"Oh okay, this tape is
falling apart,
1016
00:49:47,685 --> 00:49:51,120
Oh, 'cause it's
a physical medium.
Well, why is that?
1017
00:49:51,122 --> 00:49:54,290
Oh, because it's just
magnetic oxide stuck to a tape
1018
00:49:54,292 --> 00:49:56,859
in a pre-determined pattern.
Oh, okay."
1019
00:49:56,861 --> 00:50:00,329
Instead of having stacks of
film books,
1020
00:50:00,331 --> 00:50:03,332
we had stacks of VHS tapes.
1021
00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:06,435
That's what helped us discover
our love for cinema,
1022
00:50:06,437 --> 00:50:08,070
it's what inspired us
1023
00:50:08,072 --> 00:50:10,272
to go start shooting
our own movies.
1024
00:50:10,274 --> 00:50:11,841
And I remember even
1025
00:50:11,843 --> 00:50:14,777
cutting my first films
on two VHS players.
1026
00:50:14,779 --> 00:50:18,147
Everyone had a VHS deck
in their house in the 1980's.
1027
00:50:18,149 --> 00:50:20,383
That was, I mean,
everyone that I knew did.
1028
00:50:20,385 --> 00:50:23,819
So, you record something,
you put it on a VHS tape,
1029
00:50:23,821 --> 00:50:24,987
you can share it with everybody.
1030
00:50:24,989 --> 00:50:27,089
You could just leave
the camera running...
1031
00:50:27,091 --> 00:50:31,794
and you were also aware that
it was easy to record sound.
1032
00:50:31,796 --> 00:50:34,663
Um, so that was
really revolutionary.
1033
00:50:34,665 --> 00:50:38,601
And for someone who was raised
on home movies on film,
1034
00:50:38,603 --> 00:50:40,736
the idea of video
was almost magical,
1035
00:50:40,738 --> 00:50:43,906
it felt like this was
too good to be true.
1036
00:50:43,908 --> 00:50:46,609
Think about film history
classes. Film 101.
1037
00:50:46,611 --> 00:50:48,878
Whatever university you've been
in, whatever high school,
1038
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,347
the first films you looked at
were the Lumiere films.
1039
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:54,350
You've got a train
coming into a station,
1040
00:50:54,352 --> 00:50:56,519
You've got factory workers
leaving a factory,
1041
00:50:56,521 --> 00:50:58,487
and you're feeding a baby.
1042
00:50:58,489 --> 00:51:01,657
These are the canonical titles
of early cinema,
1043
00:51:01,659 --> 00:51:02,758
that every textbook has.
1044
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,960
And they are home movies.
1045
00:51:04,962 --> 00:51:08,264
I made my first feature on VHS
when I was 12.
1046
00:51:08,266 --> 00:51:10,366
I would dress up my brothers in,
like a gorilla costume,
1047
00:51:10,368 --> 00:51:13,002
or we made fake guts
that came out,
1048
00:51:13,004 --> 00:51:15,438
or we did a fake
episode of Cops.
1049
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,341
It's mostly unwatchable and
it's mostly deeply embarrassing.
1050
00:51:19,343 --> 00:51:24,580
♪ Papa was a rolling stone,
Yes he was ♪
1051
00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:29,718
♪ He was a rolling sto-one
1052
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,487
Before that it seemed like,
well, making a movie
1053
00:51:31,489 --> 00:51:32,655
is like this whole
different thing.
1054
00:51:32,657 --> 00:51:34,023
There's no way that you
could ever do that.
1055
00:51:34,025 --> 00:51:35,524
That's what
people in Hollywood do.
1056
00:51:35,526 --> 00:51:38,094
But then, when I figured out,
you can just get a video camera,
1057
00:51:38,096 --> 00:51:39,929
and you make this movie,
and you can show it
to your friends,
1058
00:51:39,931 --> 00:51:41,564
like, the next week,
that was so exciting.
1059
00:51:41,566 --> 00:51:43,165
And then I was kinda hooked.
1060
00:51:43,167 --> 00:51:44,733
[on the video] Well, this sucks.
1061
00:51:46,603 --> 00:51:48,771
Come on let's go have a party
or something.
1062
00:51:48,773 --> 00:51:50,806
Eh, this is dumb, I'm bored.
1063
00:51:53,009 --> 00:51:54,810
Waste of time.
1064
00:51:54,812 --> 00:51:57,847
But I think it was the fact
that it was so accessible,
1065
00:51:57,849 --> 00:51:59,915
it was the fact
that it was universal.
1066
00:51:59,917 --> 00:52:01,884
It's like,
"Alright, well let's go skate,
1067
00:52:01,886 --> 00:52:03,352
and I'm just gonna bring
the camera with me."
1068
00:52:03,354 --> 00:52:05,321
It wasn't, like,
this whole production.
1069
00:52:11,461 --> 00:52:13,195
You know, and I think in the
grand scheme of things,
1070
00:52:13,197 --> 00:52:16,665
we'll understand that there was
the invention of film,
1071
00:52:16,667 --> 00:52:19,168
and that that became domestic
at one point,
1072
00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:23,372
but that distinction between
what was 8mm film
1073
00:52:23,374 --> 00:52:25,741
and what was home video,
1074
00:52:25,743 --> 00:52:29,745
I think was just this weird,
you know, maybe...
1075
00:52:29,747 --> 00:52:32,715
20 year blip in our evolution.
1076
00:52:32,717 --> 00:52:36,886
I was 10. I saw the movie
when it first came out,
1077
00:52:36,888 --> 00:52:40,623
and really was overcome
by just Indiana Jones,
1078
00:52:40,625 --> 00:52:44,193
the character himself,
and the world that he inhabited.
1079
00:52:44,195 --> 00:52:46,962
You know, being a single kid,
and kinda nerdy, you know,
1080
00:52:46,964 --> 00:52:48,931
I wanted to create
worlds for myself.
1081
00:52:48,933 --> 00:52:50,166
That was my motivation.
1082
00:52:50,168 --> 00:52:51,800
And then getting together with
my friend Eric Zala,
1083
00:52:51,802 --> 00:52:55,738
we wanted to recreate
this Raiders film.
1084
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:58,307
And of course, when you have
a passionate idea,
1085
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:59,608
you find the tools to do it.
1086
00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:02,444
Eric had more of a drive to see
a shot-for-shot remake
1087
00:53:02,446 --> 00:53:03,846
of Raiders in its entirety.
1088
00:53:03,848 --> 00:53:06,615
I think for myself,
maybe it was that idea.
1089
00:53:06,617 --> 00:53:08,117
But I think for me it was more,
1090
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:09,852
"I just wanna
play Indiana Jones."
1091
00:53:09,854 --> 00:53:13,322
[boulder rumbling]
1092
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:22,598
We worked from memory
for the first three years.
1093
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,034
Video stores weren't as
readily available.
1094
00:53:25,036 --> 00:53:26,402
You just couldn't get stuff.
1095
00:53:26,404 --> 00:53:27,836
And so you were left
to your own
1096
00:53:27,838 --> 00:53:28,904
to go back to the theater
1097
00:53:28,906 --> 00:53:30,005
and see the film again.
1098
00:53:30,007 --> 00:53:32,441
we bought the script
that was published,
1099
00:53:32,443 --> 00:53:34,443
we bought fan magazines.
1100
00:53:34,445 --> 00:53:36,679
I snuck a tape recorder
into the movie theater
1101
00:53:36,681 --> 00:53:38,914
just to get sound effects,
and ended up getting thrown out.
1102
00:53:38,916 --> 00:53:42,284
And then when the film came out
on laserdisc in '84 or '85
1103
00:53:42,286 --> 00:53:44,220
we watched it and realized
we were pretty close.
1104
00:53:44,222 --> 00:53:46,088
The whole seven year project,
1105
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:48,390
really we just did it
for ourselves.
1106
00:53:48,392 --> 00:53:49,825
But there's a nostalgia there
1107
00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:51,894
for this generation
of filmmakers
1108
00:53:51,896 --> 00:53:55,331
that were teaching themselves
on Betamax.
1109
00:53:55,333 --> 00:53:58,601
something as simple as
setting up your Barbie dolls,
1110
00:53:58,603 --> 00:54:00,436
you know, or that could be
something as complicated
1111
00:54:00,438 --> 00:54:02,238
as wanting to remake
Raiders of the Lost Ark
1112
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:03,672
in it's entirety
1113
00:54:03,674 --> 00:54:05,574
VHS will always have
a historical place
1114
00:54:05,576 --> 00:54:11,146
because it was the first way
in which images were circulated
1115
00:54:11,148 --> 00:54:13,849
and duplicated,
in a cost-effective way.
1116
00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:16,252
There were not
the economic constraints
1117
00:54:16,254 --> 00:54:18,387
that were associated with
image-making before.
1118
00:54:18,389 --> 00:54:19,955
That's revolutionary.
1119
00:54:19,957 --> 00:54:22,591
I remember renting some of
those, sort of, low-rent titles
1120
00:54:22,593 --> 00:54:24,193
in the mom and pop video stores.
1121
00:54:24,195 --> 00:54:25,194
But then you would get 'em home
1122
00:54:25,196 --> 00:54:26,829
and they would have
this look, like
1123
00:54:26,831 --> 00:54:29,164
"This doesn't look
like a real movie,
1124
00:54:29,166 --> 00:54:30,666
this doesn't look
like a real film.
1125
00:54:30,668 --> 00:54:33,302
"Kinda looks like
TV news, or something."
1126
00:54:33,304 --> 00:54:36,038
And you'd get, like,
a shot-on-video movie
1127
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,073
that would give every appearance
of being a real movie,
1128
00:54:38,075 --> 00:54:39,275
but it wouldn't be.
1129
00:54:39,277 --> 00:54:40,909
Wake up, bitch!
1130
00:54:40,911 --> 00:54:47,750
No... No!
1131
00:54:49,052 --> 00:54:50,853
This isn't real!
1132
00:54:50,855 --> 00:54:52,721
There's something about, like,
1133
00:54:52,723 --> 00:54:54,123
watching something
shot-on-video.
1134
00:54:54,125 --> 00:54:55,324
It makes you feel mo- for me,
1135
00:54:55,326 --> 00:54:59,028
like I could-
it feels- there's more of,
like a voyeuristic thing,
1136
00:54:59,030 --> 00:55:01,196
'cause you associate it
with home movies.
1137
00:55:01,198 --> 00:55:03,832
And so then when you see
a movie made on video
1138
00:55:03,834 --> 00:55:05,401
you kinda get this feeling like
you're seeing something
1139
00:55:05,403 --> 00:55:07,369
that maybe you
weren't supposed to.
1140
00:55:07,371 --> 00:55:09,338
Everybody was like, "You know,
you gotta shoot it on film,
1141
00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:11,840
what are you doing? You can't
shoot a feature on video."
1142
00:55:11,842 --> 00:55:13,108
I'm gonna take my time
with this,
1143
00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:14,810
we're gonna treat this
like a movie.
1144
00:55:14,812 --> 00:55:16,111
Just the fact that
it's being shot
1145
00:55:16,113 --> 00:55:17,046
on Super VHS-C
1146
00:55:17,048 --> 00:55:18,781
is gonna be irrelevant.
1147
00:55:18,783 --> 00:55:24,286
Sledgehammer... they...
made it on VHS for VHS.
1148
00:55:24,288 --> 00:55:25,954
And I- I think,
as far as I know,
1149
00:55:25,956 --> 00:55:27,756
it's the first one like that.
1150
00:55:27,758 --> 00:55:31,093
And made with a sense of
professionalism, like,
1151
00:55:31,095 --> 00:55:32,528
"Maybe this is the new way."
1152
00:55:32,530 --> 00:55:34,563
I was here in Ohio doing it and
guys like Tim Ritter
1153
00:55:34,565 --> 00:55:36,732
were down in Florida, you know,
doing the same thing,
1154
00:55:36,734 --> 00:55:38,701
and he was going door-to-door
to video stores,
1155
00:55:38,703 --> 00:55:41,036
But eventually you had guys that
cracked the nut at Blockbuster,
1156
00:55:41,038 --> 00:55:43,472
and were getting stuff on
Blockbuster store shelves.
1157
00:55:43,474 --> 00:55:47,142
The unprofessional quality of
the shot-on-video movies
1158
00:55:47,144 --> 00:55:50,679
to me, is what makes them
beautiful and makes them...
1159
00:55:50,681 --> 00:55:53,282
I dunno, it's weird, it's like
they were trashy back then,
1160
00:55:53,284 --> 00:55:54,817
but now there's
an artistic quality.
1161
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,420
Aaaaaaah.
1162
00:55:58,422 --> 00:56:01,090
Despite being
an ex-boxer and marine,
1163
00:56:01,092 --> 00:56:02,991
The Rock finally succumbed
1164
00:56:02,993 --> 00:56:08,797
to the vicious, relentless,
blood-thirsty,
1165
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:11,633
unyielding, resilient,
devil ant!
1166
00:56:11,635 --> 00:56:13,836
[unconvincing dying gasp]
1167
00:56:13,838 --> 00:56:16,105
And have you seen the giant
horny toad monster?
1168
00:56:16,107 --> 00:56:18,006
Errr, he'll attack ya,
errrrrrrrrr!
1169
00:56:18,008 --> 00:56:19,742
And the devil ant! Errrrrr!
1170
00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:22,778
I make monster comedies,
I've been doin' that since 1990,
1171
00:56:22,780 --> 00:56:24,813
and I've been makin'
monster movies ever since.
1172
00:56:24,815 --> 00:56:26,915
My plot is I got
a monster out there
1173
00:56:26,917 --> 00:56:27,983
and he has to be destroyed!
1174
00:56:27,985 --> 00:56:29,151
He has to be stopped!
1175
00:56:29,153 --> 00:56:30,486
That's the plot of my movie.
1176
00:56:30,488 --> 00:56:33,288
They call Detective Rock
to stop the monster, you know...
1177
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:35,424
Who always doesn't
believe in the monster.
1178
00:56:35,426 --> 00:56:36,692
[imitates sound
of phone ringing]
1179
00:56:39,096 --> 00:56:40,996
[muffled voice] Yeah,
Detective Rock.
1180
00:56:40,998 --> 00:56:43,365
Hello.
- Rock.
1181
00:56:43,867 --> 00:56:46,168
Rock
- Hello. Yeah.
1182
00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:48,036
Yeah.
- Hey, what?
1183
00:56:48,038 --> 00:56:49,004
Ozzy's dead.
1184
00:56:49,006 --> 00:56:50,305
Hey man, I'm tryin' to eat, man.
1185
00:56:50,307 --> 00:56:52,374
You know you shouldn't be
interrupt- callin' me this time.
1186
00:56:52,376 --> 00:56:53,675
You shouldn't be
interruptin' me, man.
1187
00:56:53,677 --> 00:56:55,611
Ozzy's dead.
- What?
1188
00:56:55,613 --> 00:56:58,580
Greg 'Ozzy' Ozumeck is dead?
1189
00:56:58,582 --> 00:56:59,648
Yeah, bitten by a devil ant.
1190
00:56:59,650 --> 00:57:01,817
Got bitten by a devil ant?
- Yeah.
1191
00:57:01,819 --> 00:57:04,853
Oh c'mon, man, that's an
old wives' tale and you know it.
1192
00:57:04,855 --> 00:57:07,556
And it's got a lot
of comedy in there,
1193
00:57:07,558 --> 00:57:08,857
and it's got a lot of action,
1194
00:57:08,859 --> 00:57:10,959
like monsters battling people.
1195
00:57:10,961 --> 00:57:12,227
A lot of victims.
1196
00:57:12,229 --> 00:57:14,730
And then at the end of the movie
the monster gets killed,
1197
00:57:14,732 --> 00:57:16,832
or he gets stopped, or whatever.
1198
00:57:16,834 --> 00:57:18,333
Thrown in jail or somethin'.
1199
00:57:18,335 --> 00:57:21,470
This is a person who has...
1200
00:57:21,472 --> 00:57:24,440
one day sat down and decided,
"I am going to improve the world
1201
00:57:24,442 --> 00:57:26,608
with absolutely no
financial support,
1202
00:57:26,610 --> 00:57:28,844
and no critical support
from anybody,
1203
00:57:28,846 --> 00:57:30,712
and I'm gonna make
this my life's mission."
1204
00:57:30,714 --> 00:57:33,649
He is- he is like a living
embodiment of a middle finger
1205
00:57:33,651 --> 00:57:35,617
in the face of everybody
who ever told you
1206
00:57:35,619 --> 00:57:37,519
that you cannot do
what you wanna do.
1207
00:57:37,521 --> 00:57:40,689
Ladies and gentlemen, please
welcome David "The Rock" Nelson.
1208
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,894
Eeerrrrrr!
- Ah!
1209
00:57:47,096 --> 00:57:49,198
Errrr eerrrrr I'm gonna get you
with my devil ant
1210
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,266
if you don't watch this movie
by The Rock!
1211
00:57:51,268 --> 00:57:55,504
I was a door to door dictionary
salesman from '87 to '91.
1212
00:57:55,506 --> 00:57:57,806
So that sorta helped
my sales, you know.
1213
00:57:57,808 --> 00:58:00,809
It helped me, it taught me how
to sell to people.
1214
00:58:00,811 --> 00:58:02,945
And after that,
after I was let go,
1215
00:58:02,947 --> 00:58:05,380
I started sellin' my movies
in '93.
1216
00:58:05,382 --> 00:58:07,149
I went door to door with
my monster movies.
1217
00:58:07,151 --> 00:58:09,518
I had interviews,
I have an introduction,
1218
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,288
so you're getting a full-length
movie, it's like two hours.
1219
00:58:13,290 --> 00:58:15,824
Plus you get previews, plus you
get a long intro by me,
1220
00:58:15,826 --> 00:58:17,292
flexing my muscles and stuff.
1221
00:58:17,294 --> 00:58:20,496
I'm gonna show ya, look!
1222
00:58:20,498 --> 00:58:22,731
The Rock's got it! Show 'em!
1223
00:58:24,068 --> 00:58:28,070
I drink like four glasses of
milk a day, and I eat good,
1224
00:58:28,072 --> 00:58:30,305
I get my protein,
you know, a beef patty
maybe with some rice
1225
00:58:30,307 --> 00:58:32,708
and maybe some veggies,
or a small salad,
1226
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:36,512
and I... you know, every day
I have a banana or an apple.
1227
00:58:36,514 --> 00:58:39,581
You know, get my fiber,
get my fruit.
1228
00:58:39,583 --> 00:58:41,517
So, you know,
all natural body-building,
1229
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:42,551
I never took a steroid,
1230
00:58:42,553 --> 00:58:44,019
it's all natural, bud.
1231
00:58:44,021 --> 00:58:50,526
46, 47, 48, 49,
1232
00:58:50,528 --> 00:58:55,230
50, 51, 52!
1233
00:58:55,232 --> 00:58:59,334
Ladies and gentlemen!
David "The Rock" Nelson!
1234
00:59:02,438 --> 00:59:05,207
Are you jealous of my body?
[audience] Yes!
1235
00:59:05,209 --> 00:59:08,310
Are you jealous of my body?
Yeah.
1236
00:59:08,312 --> 00:59:11,446
The thing is,
I got enough footage
for like 100 movies right now.
1237
00:59:11,448 --> 00:59:13,115
I'm always filmin' stuff.
1238
00:59:13,117 --> 00:59:15,584
And I film so much stuff that
I forget where everything is.
1239
00:59:15,586 --> 00:59:19,154
So, a lot of times I have to
reshoot something if I want it.
1240
00:59:19,156 --> 00:59:20,322
It takes too long to
1241
00:59:20,324 --> 00:59:22,224
fast-forward,
rewind to find that.
1242
00:59:22,226 --> 00:59:25,060
So I say,
"I'll just do it over again."
1243
00:59:25,062 --> 00:59:27,229
And it turns out pretty good
the second time.
1244
00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:34,736
Go ahead and stab the knife
in my chest, Sodom,
1245
00:59:34,738 --> 00:59:36,071
go ahead, right in my heart.
1246
00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:37,139
Why not?
1247
00:59:37,141 --> 00:59:40,309
I got ideas comin' outta
my head, man, I'm 55!
1248
00:59:40,311 --> 00:59:42,311
What's wrong with you guys
sayin' you're old,
1249
00:59:42,313 --> 00:59:44,546
when you're like my age,
or younger! You're not old!
1250
00:59:44,548 --> 00:59:46,448
Don't tell me, "Oh, I'm 48,
1251
00:59:46,450 --> 00:59:47,883
I'm gettin' too old fer this."
1252
00:59:47,885 --> 00:59:51,053
Man, you're just a kid!
Get motivated!
1253
00:59:51,055 --> 00:59:53,789
You know, some of you will say,
"Oh, you gotta do it digitally."
1254
00:59:53,791 --> 00:59:55,357
Yeah, digital schmidgital!
1255
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:56,992
I don't need a computer
to make a movie,
1256
00:59:56,994 --> 00:59:58,427
I never have!
1257
00:59:59,095 --> 01:00:01,029
I just shoot the dang thing.
1258
01:00:01,031 --> 01:00:03,665
If you got a video camera,
stick a blank tape
in that machine,
1259
01:00:03,667 --> 01:00:04,800
and film the dang thing!
1260
01:00:04,802 --> 01:00:06,101
Quit makin' excuses,
1261
01:00:06,103 --> 01:00:07,536
"Well, I don't have
all this money.
1262
01:00:07,538 --> 01:00:11,006
I need a budget so I can buy
all this digital equipment."
1263
01:00:11,008 --> 01:00:12,240
Use what ya got!
1264
01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:13,709
"Well I didn't go
to film school,
1265
01:00:13,711 --> 01:00:15,344
I don't know if my movies
are gonna be good er not."
1266
01:00:15,346 --> 01:00:16,511
Don't worry about it!
1267
01:00:16,513 --> 01:00:18,747
Just listen to your heart
and you do it!
1268
01:00:18,749 --> 01:00:20,749
You take charge
of your own vision!
1269
01:00:20,751 --> 01:00:23,018
And don't worry
what other people think!
1270
01:00:23,020 --> 01:00:25,721
And don't let your mom talk you
outta makin' monster movies!
1271
01:00:25,723 --> 01:00:27,289
I told my mom, I said.
1272
01:00:27,291 --> 01:00:28,857
My mom said,
"David I wish you'd grow up,
1273
01:00:28,859 --> 01:00:31,059
and do somethin' more
constructive with your time!"
1274
01:00:31,061 --> 01:00:33,795
I said, "Mom, you can't stop me
from makin' movies,
1275
01:00:33,797 --> 01:00:35,897
because you know
I'm gonna do it anyway!"
1276
01:00:35,899 --> 01:00:38,500
[80's synth pop music]
1277
01:00:45,608 --> 01:00:48,577
The infamous glitch that all
video store owners know.
1278
01:00:48,579 --> 01:00:51,313
When you're watching and there's
a glitch, and you're like,
1279
01:00:51,315 --> 01:00:53,482
"Oh, it's gonna get nude
in two seconds."
1280
01:00:53,484 --> 01:00:57,452
Here's a news flash, nudity was
gigantic with teenage boys.
1281
01:00:57,454 --> 01:01:00,288
It was a big thing
back in the 80's.
1282
01:01:00,290 --> 01:01:02,224
Watching a video tape as a kid,
1283
01:01:02,226 --> 01:01:04,126
when you can
start to see the lines
1284
01:01:04,128 --> 01:01:05,427
rolling through the picture
1285
01:01:05,429 --> 01:01:07,963
you know that someone's watched
it a lot at that point,
1286
01:01:07,965 --> 01:01:10,265
and you know that there's
gonna be tits coming on soon.
1287
01:01:10,267 --> 01:01:12,968
You get ready, you sit up
in your chair, 'cause you think,
1288
01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:15,537
"Holy shit, some fuckin'
weird pervert
1289
01:01:15,539 --> 01:01:17,973
has watched this part
so many times
1290
01:01:17,975 --> 01:01:20,642
that I'm ready
for the money shot."
1291
01:01:20,644 --> 01:01:24,112
When you watch a VHS tape,
there's almost like a archeology
1292
01:01:24,114 --> 01:01:27,883
Where there's history written
into the physical material
1293
01:01:27,885 --> 01:01:29,451
of the thing itself.
1294
01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:31,319
You get to see the parts that
are really beat up.
1295
01:01:31,321 --> 01:01:33,088
You know that someone
rewound that
1296
01:01:33,090 --> 01:01:34,356
and watched it over and over.
1297
01:01:34,358 --> 01:01:35,624
It's like the part
where there's boobs
1298
01:01:35,626 --> 01:01:37,059
or the part where
the guy explodes.
1299
01:01:37,061 --> 01:01:38,927
You know that was
someone's favorite part
1300
01:01:38,929 --> 01:01:40,996
and they couldn't get enough.
1301
01:01:44,434 --> 01:01:46,535
[screaming]
1302
01:01:49,806 --> 01:01:53,275
That was the first, I think,
anybody had the power
1303
01:01:53,277 --> 01:01:54,910
over being able to see boobs,
1304
01:01:54,912 --> 01:01:57,012
again and again and again
and again and again.
1305
01:01:57,014 --> 01:01:59,414
Cable had been
a reality in our lives,
1306
01:01:59,416 --> 01:02:02,818
so you could see boobs...
but then they were gone.
1307
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:04,453
And they were just
a golden memory.
1308
01:02:04,455 --> 01:02:07,122
I had a video tape of
Kentucky Fried Movie
1309
01:02:07,124 --> 01:02:08,623
and I lent it to a friend.
1310
01:02:08,625 --> 01:02:10,058
And when he gave it back,
it was like,
1311
01:02:10,060 --> 01:02:11,727
every 10 minutes or something,
it would just go
1312
01:02:11,729 --> 01:02:14,663
And I'd be like, "You watched
all those nude scenes
1313
01:02:14,665 --> 01:02:17,165
over and over again
in one weekend!
1314
01:02:17,167 --> 01:02:19,034
Because now my tape is ruined.
1315
01:02:19,036 --> 01:02:21,002
But it's also kind of funny.
1316
01:02:21,004 --> 01:02:24,039
And whenever I watch it, I can
think of you being gross...
1317
01:02:24,041 --> 01:02:25,373
and hilarious."
1318
01:02:25,375 --> 01:02:28,610
My Ghostbusters tape, I bet
people can't even make out
1319
01:02:28,612 --> 01:02:30,045
the whole scene where he goes,
1320
01:02:30,047 --> 01:02:32,180
"I came, I saw,
I kicked some ass"
1321
01:02:32,182 --> 01:02:34,616
because I thought that was
the greatest shit ever
1322
01:02:34,618 --> 01:02:37,052
I rewound that scene,
I was like,
1323
01:02:37,054 --> 01:02:40,489
"Whoa, he kicked some ass, that
is what Ghostbusters do."
1324
01:02:40,491 --> 01:02:43,925
We had a guy at one of our
video stores that I worked at,
1325
01:02:43,927 --> 01:02:46,128
where we eventually had
to cancel his membership
1326
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:47,662
because we figured out
it was him.
1327
01:02:47,664 --> 01:02:52,901
But his hobby was renting
children's movies,
1328
01:02:52,903 --> 01:02:56,505
and then splicing in pornography
in the middle of them
1329
01:02:56,507 --> 01:02:58,240
and returning them to us.
1330
01:02:58,242 --> 01:02:59,941
So they'd go back on our
rental shelves.
1331
01:02:59,943 --> 01:03:01,977
I have finished planting
detonators.
1332
01:03:01,979 --> 01:03:04,679
We have less than two minutes!
1333
01:03:07,850 --> 01:03:10,919
[moaning]
1334
01:03:11,988 --> 01:03:13,688
It entertained this guy.
1335
01:03:13,690 --> 01:03:15,323
And with VHS
1336
01:03:15,325 --> 01:03:17,125
that was a tangible thing
he could do it to.
1337
01:03:17,127 --> 01:03:21,463
My friend lent me a tape of a
movie he taped for me recently.
1338
01:03:21,465 --> 01:03:22,764
I went all the way
to the end of the tape
1339
01:03:22,766 --> 01:03:25,367
just to see how many layers
of things has he taped over
1340
01:03:25,369 --> 01:03:29,538
And you kinda catch the tail-end
of a movie from Cinemax
1341
01:03:29,540 --> 01:03:31,907
or, like, a music video,
or this TV show,
1342
01:03:31,909 --> 01:03:33,041
all the way to the something
1343
01:03:33,043 --> 01:03:35,544
that was taped originally
from 1987.
1344
01:03:35,546 --> 01:03:37,612
And it was really great
just to see
1345
01:03:37,614 --> 01:03:40,816
who this guy- you know,
what he was watching,
1346
01:03:40,818 --> 01:03:42,617
for the past 25 years.
1347
01:03:42,619 --> 01:03:44,920
Lawrence of Arabia is one of
my favorite films.
1348
01:03:44,922 --> 01:03:47,489
And when I go see a print
of that in the theater,
1349
01:03:47,491 --> 01:03:53,228
every scratch, every break,
every place you see a splice,
1350
01:03:53,230 --> 01:03:54,563
there's a story behind that.
1351
01:03:54,565 --> 01:03:56,398
Something happened
with that movie,
1352
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,632
something happened
with that print
1353
01:03:57,634 --> 01:03:59,634
when it was
shown to an audience.
1354
01:03:59,636 --> 01:04:02,938
And there's something about that
that, to me,
1355
01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:07,142
'cause you know that print's had
some life and some legs on it.
1356
01:04:07,144 --> 01:04:08,376
VHS could do that.
1357
01:04:08,378 --> 01:04:11,980
It's almost like VHS has a
built-in hit counter.
1358
01:04:11,982 --> 01:04:15,383
In that, like, you can tell how
many times it's been copied
1359
01:04:15,385 --> 01:04:16,451
by the way that it looks.
1360
01:04:16,453 --> 01:04:19,387
And so, you knew that when you
got a tape,
1361
01:04:19,389 --> 01:04:21,456
if you were in tape trading,
1362
01:04:21,458 --> 01:04:24,125
like, the shittier it looked
and the worse it sounded,
1363
01:04:24,127 --> 01:04:25,927
you just knew it was
gonna be gold
1364
01:04:25,929 --> 01:04:28,763
because that meant that
10 people before you
1365
01:04:28,765 --> 01:04:31,299
had copied it, and thought that
it was funny enough,
1366
01:04:31,301 --> 01:04:34,002
or great enough, or weird
enough, to make a copy
1367
01:04:34,004 --> 01:04:35,937
and then pass it
to their friends,
who thought the same thing.
1368
01:04:35,939 --> 01:04:39,307
So it was like this vetting
process, you know, where...
1369
01:04:39,309 --> 01:04:42,244
Uh, this distillery of images,
or something.
1370
01:04:42,246 --> 01:04:44,779
So that by the time you got it,
it was like, potent
1371
01:04:44,781 --> 01:04:46,514
and, you know,
1372
01:04:46,516 --> 01:04:49,451
gonna get you high. [laughs]
1373
01:04:49,453 --> 01:04:51,486
Priest is bad, man.
1374
01:04:51,488 --> 01:04:53,788
Priest is number one
in heavy metal, man.
1375
01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:57,225
And then who comes next?
Iron Maiden, man.
1376
01:04:57,227 --> 01:04:58,260
[Jeff Krulick]
What would you say
1377
01:04:58,262 --> 01:05:00,528
if you saw Rob Halford
right now?
1378
01:05:00,530 --> 01:05:03,732
I'd jump his bones!
1379
01:05:03,734 --> 01:05:06,268
[Krulick] What do you think, uh-
What do you like about him?
1380
01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:09,838
He's great, man, he
sings great. Group's great.
1381
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,172
[Krulick] How 'bout Dokken?
1382
01:05:11,174 --> 01:05:13,308
Great. Excellent.
1383
01:05:13,310 --> 01:05:14,843
[Krulick] Are you fucked up?
1384
01:05:14,845 --> 01:05:17,712
The Southpark
Christmas Special,
1385
01:05:17,714 --> 01:05:18,914
I never had a copy of that
1386
01:05:18,916 --> 01:05:21,182
and somebody I knew had it
and they were like,
1387
01:05:21,184 --> 01:05:22,851
"Really? You don't have a copy?
That's crazy.
1388
01:05:22,853 --> 01:05:24,286
Everybody has a copy of this."
1389
01:05:24,288 --> 01:05:26,221
And so I was like,
"Well, make me a copy.
1390
01:05:26,223 --> 01:05:29,157
You know, just, come on, if
everybody has it, give me one."
1391
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:32,260
I remember the guy being like,
"Well, what do you have for me?"
1392
01:05:32,262 --> 01:05:33,561
And that was the first moment
where I was like,
1393
01:05:33,563 --> 01:05:36,865
"Oh... That's right,
tape trading."
1394
01:05:36,867 --> 01:05:39,734
The Winnebago concepts
and engineering departments
1395
01:05:39,736 --> 01:05:41,836
have developed a
multi-functional bathroom
1396
01:05:41,838 --> 01:05:44,339
privacy I don't even know
what the fuck I'm reading.
1397
01:05:44,341 --> 01:05:47,242
I wonder what the fuck
the real dialogue is.
1398
01:05:47,244 --> 01:05:48,643
What the fuck is this thing?
1399
01:05:48,645 --> 01:05:51,212
Oh, the windshield
for fuck's sake.
1400
01:05:51,214 --> 01:05:55,116
I gave that guy a collection
I had gotten from somebody else,
1401
01:05:55,118 --> 01:05:56,451
that had Winnebago Man on it.
1402
01:05:56,453 --> 01:05:58,486
That had Larry Williams,
it had Jesco,
1403
01:05:58,488 --> 01:06:00,288
It had the Jackass pilot,
1404
01:06:00,290 --> 01:06:02,123
The best of the worst of
Star Search,
1405
01:06:02,125 --> 01:06:03,591
which was really awesome.
1406
01:06:03,593 --> 01:06:05,393
And I got the
Southpark Christmas Special.
1407
01:06:05,395 --> 01:06:06,861
Dude!
- What?
1408
01:06:06,863 --> 01:06:09,497
Don't put the magic hat
on the snowman.
1409
01:06:09,499 --> 01:06:13,501
'Cause if you do he's gonna
come to life.
1410
01:06:13,503 --> 01:06:14,569
Cool!
1411
01:06:14,571 --> 01:06:16,137
No it's not cool!
1412
01:06:16,139 --> 01:06:20,008
My sister in Minnesota
put a hat on a snowman
1413
01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:21,376
and it tried to kill her!
1414
01:06:21,378 --> 01:06:23,378
Fuck him, let's do it anyway.
- Yeah.
1415
01:06:23,380 --> 01:06:26,281
I decided to get
in this business.
1416
01:06:26,283 --> 01:06:28,717
One, it was economics,
I didn't have really a job,
1417
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:30,185
I was working
at a porno theater,
1418
01:06:30,187 --> 01:06:33,088
I'd just had a son.
What am I gonna do with my life?
1419
01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:35,323
So the very first thing I did
was the obvious.
1420
01:06:35,325 --> 01:06:37,325
I took out a little ad,
30 titles.
1421
01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:40,462
Mexican horror titles
and some other obscurities.
1422
01:06:40,464 --> 01:06:42,330
I ran that ad
for a couple months.
1423
01:06:42,332 --> 01:06:45,300
The first week I got,
like $500 in the mail,
1424
01:06:45,302 --> 01:06:46,968
I was like, "Oh my god."
1425
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:48,436
Make my copies, send 'em out.
1426
01:06:48,438 --> 01:06:51,473
And then the next week $1000,
the next week,
1427
01:06:51,475 --> 01:06:53,575
"Oh my god, this is insane."
1428
01:06:53,577 --> 01:06:56,211
So I- I quit my job...
1429
01:06:56,213 --> 01:06:58,013
and I started
being a bootlegger.
1430
01:06:58,015 --> 01:07:02,017
You'd read someone's ad in a
magazine and you'd respond,
1431
01:07:02,019 --> 01:07:04,252
and you would write down what
you had and what he had,
1432
01:07:04,254 --> 01:07:05,387
and you would trade.
1433
01:07:05,389 --> 01:07:07,989
And you'd make a copy
and it was usually bad,
1434
01:07:07,991 --> 01:07:09,424
four or five generations later,
1435
01:07:09,426 --> 01:07:11,659
but you'd still get to see
the movie you wanted.
1436
01:07:11,661 --> 01:07:12,894
And what started happening,
1437
01:07:12,896 --> 01:07:14,329
as I started to get into
more and more
1438
01:07:14,331 --> 01:07:15,530
extreme type of films,
1439
01:07:15,532 --> 01:07:17,832
is things would be
taken by customs.
1440
01:07:17,834 --> 01:07:20,101
It was really funny because
they've got this checklist,
1441
01:07:20,103 --> 01:07:23,838
and it said, "Your product has
been seized by Canada customs."
1442
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,540
And I remember twice,
1443
01:07:25,542 --> 01:07:28,510
I ordered tapes that got
seized at the border.
1444
01:07:28,512 --> 01:07:29,844
and one of them was
Nekromantik.
1445
01:07:29,846 --> 01:07:32,580
The "necrophilia" box was
checked. [laughs]
1446
01:07:32,582 --> 01:07:34,983
If you were ordering a movie
that was banned or prohibited,
1447
01:07:34,985 --> 01:07:38,420
you'd have the guy tape, like,
an episode of All in the Family
1448
01:07:38,422 --> 01:07:40,021
for like the first
five or ten minutes.
1449
01:07:40,023 --> 01:07:41,589
Of course, you're not gonna
have the tape labeled
1450
01:07:41,591 --> 01:07:42,557
Degradation of the Shit
Eaters, Volume 6,
1451
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,894
He's gonna put, you know,
"All in the Family Reruns,"
1452
01:07:45,896 --> 01:07:46,728
or something like that.
1453
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:48,496
That was a pretty solid trick.
1454
01:07:48,498 --> 01:07:50,965
To me, it wasn't offensive
in any way
1455
01:07:50,967 --> 01:07:52,767
because these films were
impossible to find.
1456
01:07:52,769 --> 01:07:54,969
And what they were doing was
helping spread these movies
1457
01:07:54,971 --> 01:07:57,305
and getting them out to people
to actually see them.
1458
01:07:57,307 --> 01:07:59,707
I think that's why in the
DVD market, in the beginning,
1459
01:07:59,709 --> 01:08:02,077
you were seeing large units
of things move,
1460
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,546
because they could go to
a convention like this,
1461
01:08:04,548 --> 01:08:08,616
and say, "Oh, okay, those guys
were moving that many bootlegs,
1462
01:08:08,618 --> 01:08:10,418
or that many trades
amongst them.
1463
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:13,755
It's a safe bet to put out a
nice remastered copy."
1464
01:08:13,757 --> 01:08:15,590
But I think it was
an important time,
1465
01:08:15,592 --> 01:08:18,726
and a lot of movies were
discovered by trading.
1466
01:08:18,728 --> 01:08:20,895
And in the case, specifically of
Dead Next Door,
1467
01:08:20,897 --> 01:08:22,530
there was such a long
window of time,
1468
01:08:22,532 --> 01:08:25,200
from the time it was made to the
time it actually came out,
1469
01:08:25,202 --> 01:08:26,801
that it was bootlegged a lot.
1470
01:08:26,803 --> 01:08:28,002
But it benefitted the movie
1471
01:08:28,004 --> 01:08:29,938
because everybody
found out about it that way.
1472
01:08:29,940 --> 01:08:32,040
We didn't have to go out and do
a bunch of publicity,
1473
01:08:32,042 --> 01:08:33,408
the publicity came to us.
1474
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:35,076
[speaking Japanese]
1475
01:09:22,091 --> 01:09:24,659
It's kinda funny, you know, I'm
dealing with these companies...
1476
01:09:24,661 --> 01:09:26,060
I think they know,
maybe they don't,
1477
01:09:26,062 --> 01:09:27,662
but I feel kinda g- you know,
1478
01:09:27,664 --> 01:09:30,098
I maybe bootlegged
some of their stuff in the past,
1479
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:32,033
and now I'm dealing with them
on a professional level,
1480
01:09:32,035 --> 01:09:33,301
playing their movies
in the theater,
1481
01:09:33,303 --> 01:09:35,203
but... these guys all know.
1482
01:09:35,205 --> 01:09:38,106
I mean, any guy that's gonna be
hypocritical and say, you know,
1483
01:09:38,108 --> 01:09:40,942
well the first time you saw
Cannibal Holocaust
1484
01:09:40,944 --> 01:09:42,143
was via a pirated tape.
1485
01:09:42,145 --> 01:09:44,412
And talk about
cruelty to animals,
1486
01:09:44,414 --> 01:09:46,514
McDonald's has to be
on top of the list.
1487
01:09:46,516 --> 01:09:49,217
I mean, when you think about
those poor little McChickens
1488
01:09:49,219 --> 01:09:52,086
walking around without their
McNuggets. [laughter]
1489
01:09:53,889 --> 01:09:55,857
I think the appeal of
this type of material
1490
01:09:55,859 --> 01:09:59,527
that VHS definitely encouraged
and helped spread,
1491
01:09:59,529 --> 01:10:01,229
these viral videos,
1492
01:10:01,231 --> 01:10:04,499
are that they capture
something authentic
1493
01:10:04,501 --> 01:10:07,268
that wasn't meant
to be captured.
1494
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:09,938
We finally go to the point,
I think in the last five years,
1495
01:10:09,940 --> 01:10:13,374
where just everything
truly is ours now.
1496
01:10:13,376 --> 01:10:16,578
Where, when you put something
out there, I'm sorry,
1497
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:19,681
it's just- it's not yours
anymore. It's everyone's.
1498
01:10:19,683 --> 01:10:22,650
Before, you would have-
and in a way it was patriarchal,
1499
01:10:22,652 --> 01:10:24,085
and it was problematic,
1500
01:10:24,087 --> 01:10:25,320
'cause you would have to wait
for someone else
1501
01:10:25,322 --> 01:10:27,922
to approve of what you were
saying and presenting,
1502
01:10:27,924 --> 01:10:29,958
and have to go through
that whole dance.
1503
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,360
But, in that there was a pre
selection process,
1504
01:10:32,362 --> 01:10:35,163
so that, by the time something
got to the screen,
1505
01:10:35,165 --> 01:10:37,765
you knew that someone thought
that it was worth something.
1506
01:10:37,767 --> 01:10:40,034
You look at YouTube and you're
like, "I love cat videos."
1507
01:10:40,036 --> 01:10:42,570
I could spend a good portion of-
and perhaps I do
1508
01:10:42,572 --> 01:10:44,372
spend a good portion of my day
watching cat videos.
1509
01:10:44,374 --> 01:10:46,074
Cat videos have
always been important.
1510
01:10:46,076 --> 01:10:52,013
If you look at what people were
shooting on film for home movies
1511
01:10:52,015 --> 01:10:53,448
in the 50's and 60's,
1512
01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:55,149
they were filming their cats.
1513
01:10:55,151 --> 01:11:00,221
But I think the incredible
pressure now is to understand
1514
01:11:00,223 --> 01:11:01,823
what it is you need to watch.
1515
01:11:01,825 --> 01:11:04,058
And the orthodoxy
comes really from
1516
01:11:04,060 --> 01:11:05,593
what other people are
clicking into.
1517
01:11:05,595 --> 01:11:07,528
And then the question is,
"Well, how do they find that?
1518
01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:09,364
And how is that discovered?
1519
01:11:09,366 --> 01:11:10,965
[speaking Japanese]
1520
01:11:28,284 --> 01:11:31,352
Duane, I was wondering, what
fashion trends do you follow?
1521
01:11:31,354 --> 01:11:33,755
Well I usually look
in magazines or...
1522
01:11:33,757 --> 01:11:35,089
see what the kids
at school are wearing.
1523
01:11:35,091 --> 01:11:37,191
Duane!
1524
01:11:38,894 --> 01:11:41,596
Already you can see
a remix culture
1525
01:11:41,598 --> 01:11:44,732
appropriating different clips
to do different things with it
1526
01:11:44,734 --> 01:11:47,969
besides just what the producers
in a centralized industry,
1527
01:11:47,971 --> 01:11:49,404
such as Hollywood,
1528
01:11:49,406 --> 01:11:52,840
or the New York television
networks do with it.
1529
01:11:52,842 --> 01:11:56,344
I don't watch stuff that I hate
and then put it on there,
1530
01:11:56,346 --> 01:11:58,112
which I think
a lot of people think,
for Everything is Terrible!
1531
01:11:58,114 --> 01:12:00,815
They think, "Oh, it sucks so
you gotta put it up there."
1532
01:12:00,817 --> 01:12:02,850
It's like, no, I don't wanna
put anything up
1533
01:12:02,852 --> 01:12:03,885
unless it's incredible.
1534
01:12:03,887 --> 01:12:05,486
Crack cocaine.
- Coke!
1535
01:12:05,488 --> 01:12:07,055
And this is
what you smoke it in.
1536
01:12:07,057 --> 01:12:07,989
It's awesome!
1537
01:12:07,991 --> 01:12:11,859
Makes you feel good all over.
1538
01:12:11,861 --> 01:12:13,261
Yes, some of the stuff we do
1539
01:12:13,263 --> 01:12:15,063
doesn't show people in
the best light ever.
1540
01:12:15,065 --> 01:12:18,566
But... they did produce
that stuff to begin with,
1541
01:12:18,568 --> 01:12:20,201
we're just spitting it back out.
1542
01:12:20,203 --> 01:12:22,103
I'm Fabio.
- I'm Micky Dolenz.
1543
01:12:22,105 --> 01:12:24,105
I'm Al Michaels.
- I'm retarded.
1544
01:12:24,107 --> 01:12:26,040
Hey Toby, you da man.
1545
01:12:26,042 --> 01:12:28,509
Oh, Mr. White, I'm just a tire.
1546
01:12:28,511 --> 01:12:30,678
There's so much
undiscovered stuff still.
1547
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,280
How can we share that
with everybody?
1548
01:12:32,282 --> 01:12:34,949
Let's just organize this
as best we can,
1549
01:12:34,951 --> 01:12:36,351
because that's really all it is,
1550
01:12:36,353 --> 01:12:39,187
is just kind of taking control
over those tapes.
1551
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:45,059
[cartoon punching sounds]
1552
01:12:45,061 --> 01:12:47,261
[explosion]
1553
01:12:47,263 --> 01:12:48,796
Whoo!
- That's right, little buddy.
1554
01:12:48,798 --> 01:12:51,399
Get away!
- Oh my god!
1555
01:12:51,401 --> 01:12:55,870
So it's fascinating that
these technologies,
1556
01:12:55,872 --> 01:13:00,341
you know, leapfrog each other,
building new uses.
1557
01:13:00,343 --> 01:13:02,477
And none of this is driven by
1558
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,480
people really anticipating what
the new use will be.
1559
01:13:05,482 --> 01:13:07,815
It's almost like you have to
build a machine
1560
01:13:07,817 --> 01:13:10,451
and then see
what people do with it.
1561
01:13:10,453 --> 01:13:13,121
There's really no need
for archaic things
1562
01:13:13,123 --> 01:13:14,689
like cable anymore.
1563
01:13:14,691 --> 01:13:17,692
Stuff like that. It's like,
"Why would you do that,
1564
01:13:17,694 --> 01:13:21,863
when you can literally watch
whatever you want at any time."
1565
01:13:21,865 --> 01:13:24,065
I guess there are people
that are collectors,
1566
01:13:24,067 --> 01:13:27,368
and put things on their shelves,
and it reflects who they are,
1567
01:13:27,370 --> 01:13:29,404
and I think that that's a loss.
1568
01:13:29,406 --> 01:13:31,906
But I, um,
1569
01:13:31,908 --> 01:13:35,009
I think that there'll be
virtual ways for us to collect,
1570
01:13:35,011 --> 01:13:36,411
and we're gonna figure that out.
1571
01:13:36,413 --> 01:13:38,880
I'm sure studios
are really excited
1572
01:13:38,882 --> 01:13:40,381
about the way things are going,
1573
01:13:40,383 --> 01:13:43,451
about the fact that there's not
going to be physical media.
1574
01:13:43,453 --> 01:13:45,820
I mean, the Walt Disney
corporation, you know,
1575
01:13:45,822 --> 01:13:47,088
is made up of lovely people,
1576
01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:49,257
but that whole idea of
The Disney Vault,
1577
01:13:49,259 --> 01:13:52,527
"We're putting The Lion King
back in the Disney Video Vault
1578
01:13:52,529 --> 01:13:54,762
so you can't buy it again
for a while."
1579
01:13:54,764 --> 01:13:57,131
It's a completely artificial
sense of scarcity,
1580
01:13:57,133 --> 01:13:59,534
designed to create a completely
artificial sense of demand.
1581
01:13:59,536 --> 01:14:04,439
Studios are now
completely dominating
1582
01:14:04,441 --> 01:14:05,840
what is available to you.
1583
01:14:05,842 --> 01:14:08,342
And they are completely in
control of what you can have.
1584
01:14:08,344 --> 01:14:11,045
And they can give that to you
and they can take that away,
1585
01:14:11,047 --> 01:14:12,847
like a malevolent god.
1586
01:14:12,849 --> 01:14:16,684
It infuriates me. The notion of
somebody else having control
1587
01:14:16,686 --> 01:14:19,153
over my access to media in
general bothers me.
1588
01:14:19,155 --> 01:14:21,823
When I read the story
about the Kindle
1589
01:14:21,825 --> 01:14:24,759
and how all the people who
had purchased,
1590
01:14:24,761 --> 01:14:26,360
it couldn't have been
a more ironic title,
1591
01:14:26,362 --> 01:14:28,396
George Orwell's 1984,
1592
01:14:28,398 --> 01:14:31,232
woke up one morning, because of
a licensing disagreement,
1593
01:14:31,234 --> 01:14:34,535
it was gone. It just wasn't
on their Kindle anymore.
1594
01:14:34,537 --> 01:14:35,837
That's terrifying.
1595
01:14:35,839 --> 01:14:38,539
That is absolutely not
1596
01:14:38,541 --> 01:14:41,175
in the spirit of
purchasing something.
1597
01:14:41,177 --> 01:14:43,711
That word becomes
meaningless at that point.
1598
01:14:43,713 --> 01:14:47,215
You don't purchase
digital media. You rent it.
1599
01:14:47,217 --> 01:14:48,616
And it's at their pleasure.
1600
01:14:48,618 --> 01:14:52,820
The reality is all physical
media is going away. All of it.
1601
01:14:52,822 --> 01:14:57,091
On a business standpoint, if it
takes off, it'll be good for us,
1602
01:14:57,093 --> 01:14:59,660
because we won't
have manufacturing.
1603
01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:03,798
We won't have to do all those
extras and the supplements,
1604
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,766
and the interviews,
and the documentaries
1605
01:15:05,768 --> 01:15:09,804
and the paper labeling,
and the shipping.
1606
01:15:09,806 --> 01:15:13,508
So you think about it, and it
sounds like a great idea.
1607
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:16,477
But then, it kinda goes against
what I like.
1608
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,212
And, you know, collecting.
1609
01:15:18,214 --> 01:15:20,481
With Netflix, with torrenting,
1610
01:15:20,483 --> 01:15:22,517
it's hard to want to go out
to a video store.
1611
01:15:22,519 --> 01:15:23,985
Like its hard
for me at this point.
1612
01:15:23,987 --> 01:15:26,220
I don't really go
to the video store
as much as I'd like to anymore.
1613
01:15:26,222 --> 01:15:29,457
This is where we keep
most of our video tapes.
1614
01:15:29,459 --> 01:15:32,994
Sadly, I had to, the other day,
move them all
1615
01:15:32,996 --> 01:15:36,531
to make room for Blu-Ray...
boo ray.
1616
01:15:36,533 --> 01:15:39,367
If DVD was a short lifespan,
1617
01:15:39,369 --> 01:15:42,036
Blu-Ray's gonna be, like,
gone before you know it.
1618
01:15:42,038 --> 01:15:45,373
Honestly the primary reason
to keep something physical
1619
01:15:45,375 --> 01:15:46,974
is nostalgia.
1620
01:15:46,976 --> 01:15:49,110
We'll continue to put out
physical media
1621
01:15:49,112 --> 01:15:51,078
until the plants close.
1622
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,948
My 18, 19 year old students,
1623
01:15:53,950 --> 01:15:56,250
who love film,
are passionate about film,
1624
01:15:56,252 --> 01:16:00,855
seem to have no interest
in having a video collection.
1625
01:16:00,857 --> 01:16:03,758
You can't begrudge
this generation
1626
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,493
not wanting to collect this,
1627
01:16:05,495 --> 01:16:07,228
because it's too accessible.
1628
01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:09,397
It seems to be splitting
down the middle,
1629
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:13,334
to people who are going to go
to the ends of the earth
1630
01:16:13,336 --> 01:16:17,138
to keep the old stuff,
the old ways.
1631
01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:19,340
And then it's the other side
that are just-
1632
01:16:19,342 --> 01:16:21,309
they don't want
anything anymore.
1633
01:16:21,311 --> 01:16:23,311
It's gotta be non-physical media
1634
01:16:23,313 --> 01:16:25,546
that they can keep
on a hard drive
1635
01:16:25,548 --> 01:16:27,648
or just have it streamed to 'em
and forget about it.
1636
01:16:27,650 --> 01:16:30,785
And then the other guys that are
going to build a shrine.
1637
01:16:30,787 --> 01:16:35,690
I have more than enough to keep
me busy for 10,000 lifetimes.
1638
01:16:35,692 --> 01:16:37,658
Um, for future generations,
1639
01:16:37,660 --> 01:16:39,293
I don't give a fuck
about those people.
1640
01:16:39,295 --> 01:16:41,829
I love streaming
as a technology...
1641
01:16:41,831 --> 01:16:43,598
I'm gonna hang on to my DVDs,
1642
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,166
I'm gonna hang on to
my Blu-Rays.
1643
01:16:45,168 --> 01:16:48,569
Just as as much as I love
iTunes and Spotify,
1644
01:16:48,571 --> 01:16:50,838
I still have a record player,
because I like it.
1645
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,373
[speaking Japanese]
1646
01:17:03,318 --> 01:17:05,319
People stopped buying video
1647
01:17:05,321 --> 01:17:07,688
as soon as the content
was cheaper
1648
01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:09,590
and even easier to consume.
1649
01:17:09,592 --> 01:17:11,692
And then we found out that
the masses don't care
1650
01:17:11,694 --> 01:17:13,894
about bonus features
or optimum quality.
1651
01:17:13,896 --> 01:17:15,296
It's only the collector market
that does.
1652
01:17:15,298 --> 01:17:18,332
Netflix Instant is a
really important step
1653
01:17:18,334 --> 01:17:20,401
towards what the studios want.
1654
01:17:20,403 --> 01:17:21,736
And I think what you'll
eventually do is
1655
01:17:21,738 --> 01:17:24,472
you'll have a pipe
that comes into your house,
1656
01:17:24,474 --> 01:17:27,708
and you will subscribe to
whichever libraries you want.
1657
01:17:27,710 --> 01:17:30,311
The MGM library,
the Warner Brothers library,
1658
01:17:30,313 --> 01:17:32,146
the Sony library.
1659
01:17:32,148 --> 01:17:35,049
That's where we're headed,
we're headed towards...
1660
01:17:35,051 --> 01:17:38,552
no money on their end,
in terms of physical units.
1661
01:17:38,554 --> 01:17:42,923
I mean, I imagine it's just all
gonna be on access eventually.
1662
01:17:42,925 --> 01:17:44,558
Well technically, it already is,
1663
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,360
but people some people
don't wanna admit it.
1664
01:17:46,362 --> 01:17:47,895
[speaking Japanese]
1665
01:18:20,462 --> 01:18:23,631
We're talking about VHS, but I
only have video tapes
1666
01:18:23,633 --> 01:18:26,267
because that's the way that
I can find that movie.
1667
01:18:26,269 --> 01:18:29,136
And if that came out
in a different manner,
1668
01:18:29,138 --> 01:18:32,506
like, if that was available on a
DVD, or only on Blu-Ray,
1669
01:18:32,508 --> 01:18:33,507
I'd watch it.
1670
01:18:33,509 --> 01:18:36,110
I mean now that I'm a
film programmer,
1671
01:18:36,112 --> 01:18:37,645
I'm more aware there's films
1672
01:18:37,647 --> 01:18:40,214
where the filmmaker doesn't have
any other materials.
1673
01:18:40,216 --> 01:18:44,685
So essentially, until somebody
finds a negative, finds a print,
1674
01:18:44,687 --> 01:18:47,822
the best source in the world
is a VHS.
1675
01:18:47,824 --> 01:18:49,290
Which is a little scary.
1676
01:18:49,292 --> 01:18:52,159
Video preservation is the
nightmare in the closet
1677
01:18:52,161 --> 01:18:53,861
that no one is talking about.
1678
01:18:53,863 --> 01:18:55,496
Everybody likes to talk about
film preservation.
1679
01:18:55,498 --> 01:18:57,565
Martin Scorsese is out there,
you know,
1680
01:18:57,567 --> 01:19:00,568
proclaiming the love of film
and all this,
1681
01:19:00,570 --> 01:19:01,736
but in actual fact,
1682
01:19:01,738 --> 01:19:03,938
everybody knows that in
Scorsese's back closet
1683
01:19:03,940 --> 01:19:06,640
he's got a lot of videos
that are just a hot mess.
1684
01:19:06,642 --> 01:19:08,142
I think that most people
1685
01:19:08,144 --> 01:19:10,311
that really started collecting
in the 80's
1686
01:19:10,313 --> 01:19:12,012
are probably going to see,
at least,
1687
01:19:12,014 --> 01:19:14,648
two out of ten tapes begin now,
1688
01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:19,487
30 years on, 20 years on,
to really not be playable.
1689
01:19:19,489 --> 01:19:20,855
And maybe that's one of the
reasons
1690
01:19:20,857 --> 01:19:22,490
that nostalgia for video is
1691
01:19:22,492 --> 01:19:24,325
going to be so
incredibly poignant,
1692
01:19:24,327 --> 01:19:25,960
I think, going forward,
1693
01:19:25,962 --> 01:19:29,964
is that we're gonna have such a
great, great statistic of loss.
1694
01:19:29,966 --> 01:19:32,099
It seems like
with each iteration
1695
01:19:32,101 --> 01:19:34,135
in home video technology
1696
01:19:34,137 --> 01:19:36,103
we lose a chunk of the library
1697
01:19:36,105 --> 01:19:38,339
of amazing films
that are out there.
1698
01:19:38,341 --> 01:19:40,608
I don't understand
how people can ignore VHS
1699
01:19:40,610 --> 01:19:44,445
because there's such a huge,
huge percentage of movies
1700
01:19:44,447 --> 01:19:46,247
that never came out
any other way.
1701
01:19:46,249 --> 01:19:51,452
So if you're even, like,
a casual fan of movies at all,
1702
01:19:51,454 --> 01:19:52,887
you should have a VCR.
1703
01:19:52,889 --> 01:19:54,955
You should be actively
watching stuff on VHS.
1704
01:19:54,957 --> 01:19:58,125
There are hundreds of
thousands of thousands of movies
1705
01:19:58,127 --> 01:20:00,261
that never made the jump to DVD.
1706
01:20:00,263 --> 01:20:03,197
think that the fact that
it never jumped to DVD
1707
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:06,400
that they were poor quality
to begin with.
1708
01:20:06,402 --> 01:20:09,603
No matter what genre of
film you're interested in,
1709
01:20:09,605 --> 01:20:12,573
you're going to find things
that are only on VHS
1710
01:20:12,575 --> 01:20:14,008
within that realm of interest.
1711
01:20:14,010 --> 01:20:15,843
So if you like silent film,
1712
01:20:15,845 --> 01:20:18,879
there's gonna be some
obscure Russian short
1713
01:20:18,881 --> 01:20:22,082
that's only on some tape on
a back shelf of a video store.
1714
01:20:22,084 --> 01:20:24,185
If you like 80's comedies,
1715
01:20:24,187 --> 01:20:26,253
there's gonna be
hundreds and hundreds
1716
01:20:26,255 --> 01:20:28,656
of just the most ridiculous
boner jams
1717
01:20:28,658 --> 01:20:30,925
that you can only watch on tape.
1718
01:20:30,927 --> 01:20:35,462
To select what you love
by it's format...
1719
01:20:35,464 --> 01:20:38,399
cuts you off from something that
you might enjoy...
1720
01:20:38,401 --> 01:20:40,734
more than anything you've ever
seen in your entire life.
1721
01:20:40,736 --> 01:20:44,672
I think that stuff is the-
stands outside of my objections.
1722
01:20:44,674 --> 01:20:48,676
That's very important
that there is a document
1723
01:20:48,678 --> 01:20:52,346
of all those countless hours
of rare stuff.
1724
01:20:52,348 --> 01:20:55,850
In any form whatsoever...
even VHS.
1725
01:20:55,852 --> 01:20:58,219
When it struck us that
other people could have fun
1726
01:20:58,221 --> 01:21:00,421
watching movies
that were only on video,
1727
01:21:00,423 --> 01:21:01,956
we started Video Hate Squad.
1728
01:21:01,958 --> 01:21:03,524
And we had our first show,
1729
01:21:03,526 --> 01:21:04,725
and we got the
whole audience there,
1730
01:21:04,727 --> 01:21:06,393
we have a VCR on the stage
1731
01:21:06,395 --> 01:21:09,463
so we always put the tape in the
VCR in front of the audience
1732
01:21:09,465 --> 01:21:10,631
so they're all
part of that moment.
1733
01:21:10,633 --> 01:21:12,666
Even better than that,
is that all over the world,
1734
01:21:12,668 --> 01:21:14,101
there's other people
that did the
same thing
1735
01:21:14,103 --> 01:21:15,069
at the same time,
1736
01:21:15,071 --> 01:21:16,270
'cause there's this kind of
a zeitgeist
1737
01:21:16,272 --> 01:21:17,438
where people are realizing,
1738
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:19,306
"Hey, there's a lot of value
in this stuff
1739
01:21:19,308 --> 01:21:21,342
that we've been ignoring."
1740
01:21:28,917 --> 01:21:30,751
I mean, for example,
a movie like Deadly Prey.
1741
01:21:30,753 --> 01:21:32,386
I don't think anyone ever knew
it even came out.
1742
01:21:32,388 --> 01:21:34,221
It was meant to be this
fleeting thing.
1743
01:21:34,223 --> 01:21:35,890
Let's just fill these stores
with content.
1744
01:21:35,892 --> 01:21:38,192
We don't have to worry about
if there's theatrical releases
or not.
1745
01:21:38,194 --> 01:21:39,560
What they didn't realize
is that there were
1746
01:21:39,562 --> 01:21:41,595
so many works of art.
1747
01:21:45,433 --> 01:21:46,166
Grrrrrr!
1748
01:21:46,168 --> 01:21:47,968
Aaaaaaah!
1749
01:21:47,970 --> 01:21:50,971
That's an incredible, incredible
film, and we played a VHS copy,
1750
01:21:50,973 --> 01:21:54,541
'cause it's not available
on film or DVD or anything.
1751
01:21:54,543 --> 01:21:55,876
No other format.
1752
01:21:55,878 --> 01:21:58,012
We had Ted Prior come
and we had a talk with him,
1753
01:21:58,014 --> 01:21:59,780
and it was just incredible
1754
01:21:59,782 --> 01:22:01,515
to see this movie
with a bunch of people,
1755
01:22:01,517 --> 01:22:03,851
and just realize no one knows
what's gonna happen next,
1756
01:22:03,853 --> 01:22:05,653
this is completely
unpredictable.
1757
01:22:08,423 --> 01:22:09,723
[scream]
1758
01:22:09,725 --> 01:22:13,494
I knew that VHS collecting was
kind of becoming popular again,
1759
01:22:13,496 --> 01:22:15,729
The House of the Devil, you
gotta give a lot of due to that,
1760
01:22:15,731 --> 01:22:18,565
just the fact that a new movie
was released on VHS,
1761
01:22:18,567 --> 01:22:21,101
it started making me think about
a lot other films like this.
1762
01:22:21,103 --> 01:22:23,037
You know I had a modest
VHS collection,
1763
01:22:23,039 --> 01:22:24,505
but this kinda kick started it
for me a lot.
1764
01:22:24,507 --> 01:22:28,175
"Okay, well, there's people
who have this kind of interest,
1765
01:22:28,177 --> 01:22:30,210
so let's market
to them as well."
1766
01:22:30,212 --> 01:22:32,446
The revolution
is still evolving.
1767
01:22:32,448 --> 01:22:35,582
Um, I think, I mean
you're making a documentary
1768
01:22:35,584 --> 01:22:36,717
about video tapes right now.
1769
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:39,787
I think that there's a huge
VHS resurgence.
1770
01:22:39,789 --> 01:22:42,990
For example Mondo putting out
all these new video tapes,
1771
01:22:42,992 --> 01:22:45,793
that are selling
through hundreds of copies
1772
01:22:45,795 --> 01:22:47,828
in a two hour period.
1773
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:50,431
Clearly there's still a market
out there for video tapes.
1774
01:22:50,433 --> 01:22:52,333
The boom that's going on today
with the tapes,
1775
01:22:52,335 --> 01:22:55,102
I'm going on 40 now,
I'm seeing these tape prices,
1776
01:22:55,104 --> 01:22:56,570
going for $400.
1777
01:22:56,572 --> 01:22:58,305
It makes me regret getting rid
of some of the stuff
1778
01:22:58,307 --> 01:23:00,541
that I had at one time,
you know.
1779
01:23:00,543 --> 01:23:03,043
I could be putting my kids
through college, I don't know.
1780
01:23:03,045 --> 01:23:06,213
When LP's had a resurgence
in the 90's,
1781
01:23:06,215 --> 01:23:08,315
what was amazing about that is
that it didn't go away.
1782
01:23:08,317 --> 01:23:10,684
Like, there's still stores
that really
1783
01:23:10,686 --> 01:23:13,253
just exist to sell records.
1784
01:23:13,255 --> 01:23:16,423
But, I don't think that VHS
is going to have
1785
01:23:16,425 --> 01:23:18,459
that same permanent resurgence.
1786
01:23:18,461 --> 01:23:22,930
We can make arguments for
the quality of a vinyl
1787
01:23:22,932 --> 01:23:26,800
and why that presents a
better experience of the music.
1788
01:23:26,802 --> 01:23:29,937
But VHS, it's never going to be
a better experience
1789
01:23:29,939 --> 01:23:33,674
of the raw materials,
it's just...
1790
01:23:33,676 --> 01:23:36,110
the qualities associated
around it.
1791
01:23:36,112 --> 01:23:39,980
I think that there's a nostalgic
need to sort of go back
1792
01:23:39,982 --> 01:23:41,682
and also re-evaluate.
1793
01:23:41,684 --> 01:23:43,017
It was in 2006
1794
01:23:43,019 --> 01:23:44,852
when History of Violence
came out on VHS
1795
01:23:44,854 --> 01:23:46,387
and kind of marked
the end of everything.
1796
01:23:46,389 --> 01:23:49,189
That was the last widely
distributed film on VHS.
1797
01:23:49,191 --> 01:23:51,925
My friend Zack called me
and was like,
1798
01:23:51,927 --> 01:23:55,829
"Hey, we're thinking about
getting some VHS tattoos,
1799
01:23:55,831 --> 01:23:58,732
'cause they just
stopped making VHS."
1800
01:23:58,734 --> 01:24:00,367
And I'd never
had a tattoo before
1801
01:24:00,369 --> 01:24:02,236
but it took me less than
two seconds to be like,
1802
01:24:02,238 --> 01:24:05,205
"Yep, I'm with you guys.
I'm gettin' that right there."
1803
01:24:05,207 --> 01:24:07,041
And we all got ours
a little differently,
1804
01:24:07,043 --> 01:24:08,776
like some got, like
"never forget" on it,
1805
01:24:08,778 --> 01:24:11,045
some got the year
that it started and ended.
1806
01:24:11,047 --> 01:24:13,981
I just wanted just
the video on it's own,
1807
01:24:13,983 --> 01:24:19,486
just like the cold-
just the nice-
It looks so strong and great.
1808
01:24:19,488 --> 01:24:21,488
And people ask me all the time,
they'll be like,
1809
01:24:21,490 --> 01:24:23,290
"What is that on your arm?"
1810
01:24:23,292 --> 01:24:24,658
I'll just show it to them
and they'll be like,
1811
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:28,095
and I'm like,
"You forgot, obviously"
1812
01:24:28,097 --> 01:24:30,030
When you find
some of these stores
1813
01:24:30,032 --> 01:24:32,232
that have big box video tapes,
1814
01:24:32,234 --> 01:24:34,501
you know they're gonna be
mutant owners
1815
01:24:34,503 --> 01:24:39,606
who have been surrounded by
these relics for so many years.
1816
01:24:39,608 --> 01:24:42,276
And they are part of
their life story
1817
01:24:42,278 --> 01:24:46,447
and I am slowly trying
to drain them of them.
1818
01:24:46,449 --> 01:24:48,482
And like an archeologist
every once in a while
1819
01:24:48,484 --> 01:24:50,818
you'd pull all these tapes out
and at the very bottom,
1820
01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:52,252
covered in dust,
I mean literally,
1821
01:24:52,254 --> 01:24:54,054
your hands would be just
caked in this dust,
1822
01:24:54,056 --> 01:24:57,724
you pull out a video
that's pure gold.
1823
01:24:57,726 --> 01:25:00,227
If I see a flea market,
a swap meet,
1824
01:25:00,229 --> 01:25:02,930
an antique store, a Goodwill,
1825
01:25:02,932 --> 01:25:04,932
It's getting stopped
and it's getting pillaged.
1826
01:25:04,934 --> 01:25:06,900
That entails looking
in the phone book,
1827
01:25:06,902 --> 01:25:08,202
looking on the internet.
1828
01:25:08,204 --> 01:25:11,772
Literally driving up and down
every single street that I see.
1829
01:25:11,774 --> 01:25:15,042
I've driven probably
a three hour drive radius
1830
01:25:15,044 --> 01:25:17,111
every direction.
1831
01:25:29,157 --> 01:25:30,190
And honestly I think
1832
01:25:30,192 --> 01:25:32,960
that is what the legacy
of the VHS era is,
1833
01:25:32,962 --> 01:25:36,163
it's made us all
much more film savvy.
1834
01:25:36,165 --> 01:25:40,467
It's kind of made people
much more aware of...
1835
01:25:40,469 --> 01:25:42,136
other movies
beyond the ones that were
1836
01:25:42,138 --> 01:25:44,638
fed by the richest companies.
1837
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:45,939
[speaking Japanese]
1838
01:26:04,492 --> 01:26:07,327
The fact that it
made accessible,
1839
01:26:07,329 --> 01:26:09,229
all these generations of films
1840
01:26:09,231 --> 01:26:11,698
which were utterly gone.
I mean just gone.
1841
01:26:11,700 --> 01:26:13,033
No one could see them.
1842
01:26:13,035 --> 01:26:15,502
You know the studios
kept them in the vaults,
1843
01:26:15,504 --> 01:26:16,937
sometimes they
got rid of the negatives,
1844
01:26:16,939 --> 01:26:18,639
didn't think
it mattered anymore.
1845
01:26:19,841 --> 01:26:22,976
You know, home video restored
all that for us, you know,
1846
01:26:22,978 --> 01:26:26,413
and perhaps not always in the
greatest looking form.
1847
01:26:26,415 --> 01:26:28,515
I mean perhaps not always
the way we remembered it,
1848
01:26:28,517 --> 01:26:29,917
but it was accessible.
1849
01:26:29,919 --> 01:26:32,219
I don't think there's
any lasting impact.
1850
01:26:32,221 --> 01:26:35,255
I think it's been just
a passing parade.
1851
01:26:35,257 --> 01:26:38,525
It's like, what's the
lasting impact of radio?
1852
01:26:38,527 --> 01:26:40,327
Right? ... Eh...
1853
01:26:40,329 --> 01:26:42,896
You know, it got us to the
next step, the next step...
1854
01:26:42,898 --> 01:26:44,565
These are not
just entertainment,
1855
01:26:44,567 --> 01:26:51,305
and they're also indications of
what life was like, and is like,
1856
01:26:51,307 --> 01:26:53,373
and is possibly
going to be like again.
1857
01:26:53,375 --> 01:26:57,711
These movies, by being, in a way
the record of our dreams,
1858
01:26:57,713 --> 01:27:03,350
are a way to look at our culture
and say, "Ahhh...
1859
01:27:03,352 --> 01:27:08,589
that's why that civilization
ate itself spectacularly.
1860
01:27:08,591 --> 01:27:11,058
That's why it all
fell apart. Hmm."
1861
01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:13,360
Or, "That's what it
could have been,
1862
01:27:13,362 --> 01:27:15,329
that's where the dream
could have gone."
1863
01:27:15,331 --> 01:27:16,430
When you look at a tape,
1864
01:27:16,432 --> 01:27:19,066
and it has the "be kind,
rewind" sticker, on it,
1865
01:27:19,068 --> 01:27:21,435
there's something deeply
moving about that.
1866
01:27:21,437 --> 01:27:24,004
It's such a call to arms,
1867
01:27:24,006 --> 01:27:28,008
and a suggestion
or an imperative about
a way to live your life.
1868
01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:30,444
To be kind and rewind.
1869
01:27:30,446 --> 01:27:31,945
Go back and like,
1870
01:27:31,947 --> 01:27:34,214
hang on to these things
that are important to you,
1871
01:27:34,216 --> 01:27:35,515
and not let them disappear,
1872
01:27:35,517 --> 01:27:37,684
and not let other people
take them a way from you.
1873
01:27:37,686 --> 01:27:40,654
But find what's important
and preserve that
1874
01:27:40,656 --> 01:27:42,756
and help it to endure.