1 00:00:00,459 --> 00:00:04,480 Coming up on the Age of Attraction reunion presented by the Vow Files. 2 00:00:07,980 --> 00:00:09,800 How many couples are still together? 3 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:11,700 Raise your hands. 4 00:00:12,460 --> 00:00:15,920 Looks like Pfeiffer's not here. Does anyone know where she is? 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,500 I don't really feel comfortable like airing this out. All right, well, that's 6 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:21,439 why we're here. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,940 John, is there anything you would like to clear up in this moment? 8 00:00:24,180 --> 00:00:25,600 What was it about, John? Speak the truth. 9 00:00:26,180 --> 00:00:27,740 You took that from me. 10 00:00:30,220 --> 00:00:32,940 I mean, we have gone through a lot of shit. 11 00:00:33,260 --> 00:00:34,119 I don't want to cry. 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,340 If you think he was there to find love, go ahead and raise your hand. 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,160 You guys are, in fact, engaged. 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:47,780 I don't deserve to date someone who texts me, I feel disgusting with you. 15 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:49,200 No, it's not easy. 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,560 Libby, how'd you feel? 17 00:00:50,910 --> 00:00:52,270 God, I expect to get emotional. 18 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:55,610 I'm hoping that people can see this and feel like this is okay. 19 00:00:56,010 --> 00:00:59,230 Do you feel like you've both been able to really show up and be a team in those 20 00:00:59,230 --> 00:01:00,230 difficult moments? 21 00:01:01,230 --> 00:01:04,670 In my mind, you are literally like my husband. Like, there is nothing else. 22 00:01:05,050 --> 00:01:06,550 I cried so hard. 23 00:01:06,870 --> 00:01:08,410 An area that I've been weak. 24 00:01:08,810 --> 00:01:12,450 She's able to help me get through. Has anyone had an issue with your age 25 00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:16,230 difference? I almost didn't come out this week to L .A. You're like 26 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:17,710 a little bit here. I'm not gaslighting anyone, Teresa. 27 00:01:18,190 --> 00:01:23,470 And it was really, really sad watching that back. It was. Guys, I'm just your 28 00:01:23,470 --> 00:01:24,208 words, man. 29 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:25,510 You hear what I'm saying. 30 00:01:25,810 --> 00:01:27,170 And I'll speak for you. 31 00:01:27,430 --> 00:01:28,630 I never said that. 32 00:01:28,910 --> 00:01:31,250 Four days in, I wanted to go home. Tell them how it is now. 33 00:01:31,510 --> 00:01:34,610 Why are you laughing, Derek? That wasn't it at all. Well, shit. Like, that's 34 00:01:34,610 --> 00:01:36,110 something that I probably needed to know. 35 00:01:36,780 --> 00:01:37,940 You don't want to say anything? 36 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,160 I don't know. 37 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,200 No. You honestly didn't like Leah. I'm going to defend my woman or any woman in 38 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,440 my life. Period. Have you met his daughters? 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:47,619 I have not. 40 00:01:47,620 --> 00:01:51,740 Why? Yeah. Why not? And he was yelling from afar at y 'all to start? 41 00:01:52,060 --> 00:01:53,880 No. Absolutely not. 42 00:01:54,340 --> 00:01:58,460 How close was he? And you want to air all of our dirty laundry? 43 00:01:58,740 --> 00:02:01,660 Let's do it. Is there a chance for you guys to get back together? 44 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:24,430 I'm not playing with y 'all today. 45 00:02:27,970 --> 00:02:31,710 I don't remember our first conversation. 46 00:02:32,070 --> 00:02:33,270 The one about Prince Eric. 47 00:02:34,010 --> 00:02:35,750 Well, I mean, you kind of led with that. 48 00:02:40,590 --> 00:02:42,070 Blown out. Do we need a shot? 49 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:43,350 Cheers, cheers. 50 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:46,490 Don't hold back. Don't hold back. 51 00:02:46,770 --> 00:02:51,690 All right. We're going to start in five, four, three, two. 52 00:02:52,950 --> 00:02:57,510 Welcome to the Age of Attraction Season 1 Reunion. I'm your host, Nick Viall. 53 00:02:57,650 --> 00:03:02,570 And I'm Natalie Joy. We are so excited to be here with all of the cast of Age 54 00:03:02,570 --> 00:03:06,950 Attraction to unpack all of the burning questions that you have been dying to 55 00:03:06,950 --> 00:03:09,610 know. And we're not going to leave any gaps unexamined. 56 00:03:09,950 --> 00:03:14,010 This is a show about regular people finding love outside the confines of 57 00:03:14,010 --> 00:03:18,170 societal pressure and influence, and seeing if their commitment to each other 58 00:03:18,170 --> 00:03:22,630 can survive in the real world. Some of our couples found that love was enough. 59 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:26,430 Others realized that their differences may be too much to handle. 60 00:03:26,690 --> 00:03:31,510 This is the very first time the entire cast has reunited since filming, and 61 00:03:31,510 --> 00:03:35,790 are here to give us all the tea about their experiences on the show and life 62 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:37,430 after committing or not. 63 00:03:39,260 --> 00:03:42,180 Teresa, as a stylist, who's best dressed today? 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,440 There's only one answer. 65 00:03:44,340 --> 00:03:45,880 Me. Me. 66 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:53,080 Yes, love it. I would say myself and then Janelle and then Libby and then... 67 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,120 Does anyone need some work? 68 00:03:55,380 --> 00:03:57,880 Yeah. I mean, there's always room for improvement. 69 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:02,400 I can give you guys my rates later. 70 00:04:02,620 --> 00:04:04,820 There we go. There we go. 71 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,840 John, how's the royal family? 72 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:08,760 Any drama to report? 73 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,179 No drama. 74 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:13,320 I'm still working on my accent, but I'll get back to you guys on that. 75 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:18,200 Without giving us the whole recipe, though, describe the potato recipe. 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,920 Like, what's the... Thinly sliced. Okay. Got to make them extra crispy. Okay. A 77 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,740 ton of extra sharp cheddar cheese. Okay. 78 00:04:26,020 --> 00:04:27,020 And salt. 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,360 Okay. That's it. And we bake it in an oven at 450? 80 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,340 It's funny because we were baking in, what was it, Fahrenheit or Celsius? 81 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,180 Celsius. And... 82 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:40,400 I didn't know what the temperature was, and I thought I was going to burn the 83 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,080 whole place down, but how good was it? I mean, I think I was risking a heart 84 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,280 attack, but it was really good. 85 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,020 Libby, quick, which Spice Girl is Victoria Beckham? 86 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,800 Posh. Love. 87 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:53,280 Good job. 88 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,660 And there was no Googling done. I've just gotten enough feedback and 89 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:01,260 I don't even have to look anything up. 90 00:05:01,940 --> 00:05:03,680 Andrew, you've gotten a haircut? 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,119 Uh -uh. 92 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,240 No, I haven't gotten a haircut. 93 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:07,640 New hair style. 94 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,840 And a little tan. 95 00:05:10,340 --> 00:05:11,340 Where have you been? 96 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,120 Down in Florida. 97 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,480 Golfing. 98 00:05:16,460 --> 00:05:17,460 Vanessa, 99 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,960 loving the pink. Loving the pink lipstick. 100 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,460 Fourth of July. Has it been coming around often? 101 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,180 Yeah, we celebrate Fourth of July at least once or twice a month when we come 102 00:05:29,180 --> 00:05:30,180 visit each other. 103 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:32,660 Every time is a holiday. 104 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,820 It's coming along great. 105 00:05:36,740 --> 00:05:40,980 Okay, hey, set the record straight right now with everybody in here and let them 106 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:44,280 know. Just let them know. He puts it down. It's good, it's good, it's good. 107 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,720 It's much better. 108 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:47,340 He is so curious. 109 00:05:47,660 --> 00:05:49,080 It's crazy. 110 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,560 It is crazy. 111 00:05:50,660 --> 00:05:53,540 Hey, her shit's fire. Why do you think I put a ring on it? Okay? 112 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,440 Okay. I can't help it. 113 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:58,920 We'll give you your moment. Logan, how are the optics today? The optics are 114 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,920 great. 115 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:02,440 I mean, I think I look good. What do you think? 116 00:06:02,780 --> 00:06:05,960 You look great. Optics are good. Everybody looks good. Optics are great. 117 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:07,520 you're looking dapper as ever. 118 00:06:07,780 --> 00:06:08,359 Thank you. 119 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,720 Any new tattoos? 120 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,060 I'm working on one. Okay. Yes, because, you know, I'm an addiction. You know. 121 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:15,580 Okay. Is it AOA? 122 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:17,400 You know, that's a good idea. 123 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,060 Put some AOA in a river right down my arm. 124 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:21,880 I think that would be good. 125 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,760 Hey, anything but a mountain. 126 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,220 Anything but a bear. 127 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,060 Oh, that was nice. You're looking stunning. Thank you so much. How are you 128 00:06:31,060 --> 00:06:32,120 feeling? I feel okay. 129 00:06:32,750 --> 00:06:33,750 Okay. 130 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:35,790 Okay. 131 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:36,830 Why are you nervous? 132 00:06:37,070 --> 00:06:38,070 I don't know. 133 00:06:38,630 --> 00:06:39,630 I'm just nervous. 134 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:41,850 You look great. Thank you. You're welcome. 135 00:06:42,890 --> 00:06:44,030 Chris, why are you wearing sunglasses? 136 00:06:47,810 --> 00:06:48,810 Celebrity. 137 00:06:48,970 --> 00:06:50,850 It's bright in here. Okay. Don't you think? 138 00:06:51,070 --> 00:06:53,410 Are you going to take a nap? Hide the eyes a little bit. Do you need to take a 139 00:06:53,410 --> 00:06:56,370 nap? Yeah. Just in case I need to close my eyes while everything's going on in 140 00:06:56,370 --> 00:06:57,370 here, you know? Okay. 141 00:06:58,550 --> 00:07:01,190 You ready to get going? I don't want, you know, keep the, keep the. 142 00:07:01,820 --> 00:07:03,580 Keep the emotions out of it for a second. Okay. 143 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,620 For a second. Derek, your skin is looking very smooth and shiny. Thank 144 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,780 Adding anything new? No. A lot of water. 145 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,240 Moisturizer. Always. 146 00:07:13,340 --> 00:07:14,259 That's what y 'all love. 147 00:07:14,260 --> 00:07:16,220 Water and staying out of the sun. Absolutely. 148 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:19,840 Allegedly. You go to the beach, you got to bring your umbrella. Umbrella with 149 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,140 some chairs and set it up. Done. 150 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,760 All day long. 151 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,040 All day long. 152 00:07:24,140 --> 00:07:25,140 We got plans. 153 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:27,540 Leah, you've been flying anywhere recently? 154 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,280 No, I've been off. 155 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:31,520 You guys, I live a very flexible lifestyle. 156 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,540 That's a fact. But I do leave to New York on Sunday. 157 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,980 We love it. Well, we are very excited to have you all here. And I think let's 158 00:07:40,980 --> 00:07:45,540 just start with the question I think everyone wants to know. By a show of 159 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,820 who are the couples that are still together? 160 00:07:50,540 --> 00:07:52,400 Two, three. Two couples. 161 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:54,300 We've got Andrew and Libby. 162 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,760 Logan and Vanessa. I'll be honest, Logan and Vanessa, I didn't think you two had 163 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,760 it in you. 164 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:04,900 It is beautiful to see. Let me tell you, the show started after the show was 165 00:08:04,900 --> 00:08:07,440 wrapped. That's when real life came in. 166 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:10,280 And that's where I wish people could have seen more of. 167 00:08:11,580 --> 00:08:14,860 Love that. Well, John and Teresa, you guys committed. 168 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:16,300 Yeah. 169 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,480 We did. 170 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,280 Definitely did. 171 00:08:20,780 --> 00:08:21,780 That was real. 172 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:24,950 I mean, I'm feeling... Good. 173 00:08:25,190 --> 00:08:30,810 John and I are in a really good place. And I think we still have like I still 174 00:08:30,810 --> 00:08:35,090 have some sort of questions that I would like some answers to. 175 00:08:35,789 --> 00:08:41,909 But I think for the most part, like, you know, we we tried. It was, you know, a 176 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:44,510 combination of factors that led us to where we are today. 177 00:08:44,930 --> 00:08:50,490 But, yeah, I mean, I'm happy with where we are today. I think we I think it's a 178 00:08:50,490 --> 00:08:52,210 very good show. 179 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:59,300 of what we did have, the fact that we are really in a good place right now. 180 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,160 Well, we will certainly want to unpack everything that's happened since filming 181 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:08,360 and kind of really understand how we got to today a little bit later. 182 00:09:08,780 --> 00:09:14,000 Logan, you so eloquently put it at some point in the season that the older 183 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,560 people come with a lot of baggage. 184 00:09:18,660 --> 00:09:19,660 Eloquently. 185 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,780 But in fairness, there is some truth to that. And I think it's interesting 186 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:27,740 watching it back. Obviously, Natalie and I have an age difference. 187 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:34,880 And I think everyone who, like the Tresas, Vanessa, Leah, Andrew, Jorge, 188 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:40,060 I think all of us that were dating younger people, I think that's a very 189 00:09:40,060 --> 00:09:44,440 relatable thing, right? And I think a lot about this show really came down to 190 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:45,980 you're someone who's lived some life. 191 00:09:46,410 --> 00:09:50,030 you've had some relationship, you come in with some scars. When you're dating 192 00:09:50,030 --> 00:09:54,130 someone younger, I know it was with Natalie, I think the big question is, 193 00:09:54,130 --> 00:09:57,390 have you been through? Have you been through the ringer? Has your heart been 194 00:09:57,390 --> 00:09:58,390 crushed as well? 195 00:09:58,490 --> 00:10:02,390 When you're saying, I've been through a lot, does my partner understand? 196 00:10:02,690 --> 00:10:04,930 Quite honestly, I think that's a big measuring stick. 197 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:10,110 It wasn't until I learned about Natalie's past, not that I was rooting 198 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:12,950 to have bad relationships, but the fact that she could relate. 199 00:10:13,470 --> 00:10:18,070 I've been broken by another human being in past relationships. And if you're 200 00:10:18,070 --> 00:10:22,030 dating someone who doesn't understand that, that can be a huge disconnect. 201 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:26,210 With that being said, I just want to open up to the group, starting with 202 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:30,630 You referenced a lot of times throughout the show some very difficult 203 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,530 relationships from your past. 204 00:10:33,290 --> 00:10:37,310 At your comfort level, can you just give us a little bit of insight into some of 205 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:38,630 the things that you have been through? 206 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:45,280 And the impact that had on you as a person and how that helped or affected 207 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,840 in relationships specifically with John. 208 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,600 Yeah. You know, we can talk about things that break you from relationships and 209 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,980 then just life itself. Right. Because it comes in so many different forms. And 210 00:10:56,980 --> 00:11:02,280 so I think John and I had talked about that. You know, he was really broken by 211 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,280 his. 212 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,680 disappointment in baseball and everything. And so I think that was 213 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:12,580 of could relate to that disappointment when you really are depending on 214 00:11:12,580 --> 00:11:15,820 something, you really think something's going to happen for you. And then 215 00:11:15,820 --> 00:11:20,760 without any control, it just falls apart and you're just broken by that. 216 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,680 For me, obviously, yeah, I've lived, you know, many, many lives in some ways. 217 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:32,960 And my relationships have been some good, some not so good. 218 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,000 I think from the very beginning, not to like take up too much time, but like, 219 00:11:37,060 --> 00:11:42,500 you know, I had my brother pass away when I was 18. And that was my first 220 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:48,480 of like relationship that just broke without any expectation. It was very 221 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,620 sudden. And, you know, you get the rug pulled out from under you when you have 222 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:55,840 this like relationship that you're depending on and all of that. And so 223 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:56,840 number one. 224 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,180 And then, you know, just like. 225 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:05,040 relationships that I had after I got divorced that were you think you have 226 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,680 you really think like someone is being honest with you and then you come to 227 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:15,220 out that you know they're lying they're cheating they're just not in it for the 228 00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:20,780 same reasons that you're in it and so yeah it's been it's been really hard to 229 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:27,330 get over those um before I came on the show I really did work on myself and 230 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:30,370 from a lot of those hurts and so I felt like you know I was in a really good 231 00:12:30,370 --> 00:12:31,370 place to start. 232 00:12:31,770 --> 00:12:35,070 looking for someone that could be my person. What about you, Vanessa? 233 00:12:35,310 --> 00:12:39,450 You obviously came in very vulnerable talking about your four engagements. 234 00:12:39,730 --> 00:12:42,670 Yes, my four LeBron rings that I had. 235 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:47,730 Yeah. So, I mean, I've had some trials. I was a single mom at 18 years old and I 236 00:12:47,730 --> 00:12:53,030 had to work full time and go to college and take care of my daughter. And, you 237 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:55,070 know, I had some relationships and I really. 238 00:12:55,610 --> 00:12:58,910 Kind of like a serial monogamous for a while. And I poured my heart into these 239 00:12:58,910 --> 00:13:02,910 relationships and they didn't work out. And, you know, it was really 240 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:07,730 disappointing. But I don't want to let that like define me as who I am. You 241 00:13:07,730 --> 00:13:08,790 know, I'm pretty resilient. 242 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:14,430 I've been really hurt, but I don't like to focus on that. And I want to look for 243 00:13:14,430 --> 00:13:16,990 something new and something fresh. And I wanted to heal. 244 00:13:17,250 --> 00:13:21,770 Were there parts while getting to know Logan that were there things you needed 245 00:13:21,770 --> 00:13:22,990 to hear him say? 246 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:27,660 To make sure that he understood everything you've been through. 247 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,800 Yes. And, you know, that's what I think about, too, is a lot of times I was 248 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,680 taking like those past relationships and I was projecting them onto him. You 249 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,700 know, there's so many things watching it back and the things that I was saying. 250 00:13:38,780 --> 00:13:42,720 And I was like, that had nothing to do with him. That was like my past, like 251 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,660 coming back to get me and, you know, insecurities about that sort of thing. 252 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:49,420 So, you know, he was the. 253 00:13:49,790 --> 00:13:53,810 First one that really listened to me and we talked a lot. I mean, he knows more 254 00:13:53,810 --> 00:13:55,350 about me than anyone else. 255 00:13:55,870 --> 00:13:59,270 Even some of my girlfriends, you know, and the things that we talked about. And 256 00:13:59,270 --> 00:14:04,710 that was just really important in us getting close and having intimacy on an 257 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:05,770 emotional level. 258 00:14:06,190 --> 00:14:10,510 I'd like to touch on that just a little bit. I mean, back to the comment that 259 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:13,190 you made, you know, you didn't think we were going to work out. Nobody did. I 260 00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:14,830 think anybody in the cast, you can ask everybody. 261 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,440 Because of the bickering, because of the arguments, a lot of people didn't think 262 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,020 we were going to make it. But that's why, you know, one of the things that 263 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:28,880 saw, and I just wasn't able to articulate my thoughts sometimes because 264 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,420 of those arguments and some of the things that happened on the show. I'm 265 00:14:32,420 --> 00:14:37,320 was really, really trying to figure this woman out because I saw the essence of 266 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:43,120 this woman who had been broken but has gone through a path that, you know, 267 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,120 not going to talk about today. 268 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,260 I saw and heard the things that she's gone through and it led her to where she 269 00:14:49,260 --> 00:14:49,959 is today. 270 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,640 You know, she's a business owner. She owns a house. She makes great money. 271 00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:57,880 And I saw so much value in that and being able to get to pass those things 272 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,840 life. Because a lot of times people will go through situations in life and it 273 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,860 makes or breaks you. And what she has gone through, I wouldn't be able to do 274 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:10,820 So, and that's kind of where I fell in love with her. 275 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,920 I do want some clarification. You guys are? 276 00:15:14,430 --> 00:15:20,310 in fact engaged we sure are i wasn't sure because will you do life with me is 277 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:26,010 will you marry me so i just wanted to make sure that was an absolute 278 00:15:26,010 --> 00:15:31,230 so i think because he's young he doesn't know the right terminology you know he 279 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:34,510 forgot it's different for the young ones you know what i mean he's nervous but 280 00:15:34,510 --> 00:15:39,610 like but i will say this i i watched them at the airport with no cameras and 281 00:15:39,610 --> 00:15:43,150 watched logan say goodbye to vanessa it was beautiful 282 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:47,080 He literally, you know, I think he was at the window. 283 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:48,680 She was looking backwards. 284 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,320 You know what I'm saying? And I watched that because I think, Derek, we were 285 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:54,980 there. And so I was just like, you know what? 286 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,820 It was an honest connection. Yes, they were bickering. But once again, he was 287 00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:01,580 fighting. They were fighting for each other. 288 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,040 And if you don't even see that, you don't have that. You know what I'm 289 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:05,899 It's empty. 290 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:06,900 So y 'all are. 291 00:16:07,340 --> 00:16:11,420 So I wanted to say something about I think that a lot of times when we say. 292 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,760 maybe scars or trauma or relational baggage, I think there's a plus side 293 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,140 comes along with that too. And the plus side, I think, is experience and 294 00:16:20,140 --> 00:16:23,840 knowledge. I think the experience and knowledge comes with it because I think 295 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,120 sometimes if you lose, don't lose the lesson. The mistakes you may make in one 296 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,140 relationship, you may take that forward and say, I'm not going to make that. I'm 297 00:16:30,140 --> 00:16:32,140 going to be a little bit more patient. I'm going to be a little bit more this. 298 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:37,300 And so I think that it's, I don't look at any relationship that anyone has as a 299 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:38,300 failure. It's a lesson. 300 00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:43,710 And it's just moving on to find the perfect situation where you and a person 301 00:16:43,710 --> 00:16:46,530 understand each other. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. I mean, I 302 00:16:46,530 --> 00:16:50,790 say, like, honestly, when it comes to my past relationships, I don't even 303 00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:55,650 remember, like, the happy times. I remember the sad times, but the sad 304 00:16:55,650 --> 00:17:00,650 aren't, like, I laugh at them now. They're things that we survived. I think 305 00:17:00,650 --> 00:17:05,069 we are dating people who might be younger than us, when we hear things 306 00:17:05,290 --> 00:17:08,310 I want to throw caution to the wind. I think sometimes that's the moment you 307 00:17:08,310 --> 00:17:12,190 want to just make sure, yeah, let's throw caution to the wind. But like, you 308 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:15,270 know, do you know what you're throwing to the wind, so to speak? And I think 309 00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:20,710 sometimes that's the thing I noticed with Teresa and Vanessa and Leah and 310 00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:24,210 and those relationships and Andrew a little bit when you're like having those 311 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:28,790 conversations, but like, you know, are we, do we know what we're betting on 312 00:17:28,790 --> 00:17:31,630 here? You know, it's like, let's get risky, but like, you know. 313 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,920 We just want to make sure. So, yeah, it's both a lesson, but we just want to 314 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,360 also understand that our partner can relate to us. We have more to risk in 315 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:43,080 ways because we've already, like, gotten ourselves to the point where, you know, 316 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:48,080 we've been hurt so many times. It's like the level of what you can tolerate is 317 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,480 lower, you know? 318 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,080 So, I don't know. You're kind of like, not again. 319 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,320 Yeah, exactly. You're trying to avoid the not again. Yeah, definitely. 320 00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:59,480 How was it just watching it back for all you guys? I mean, obviously, being on 321 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,620 reality TV is a bit of an experience. 322 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:03,440 How's it been? 323 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:05,300 We're here. 324 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,480 Yeah, 325 00:18:07,540 --> 00:18:08,680 I get to ick a little bit. 326 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:11,220 A little cringe for yourself? 327 00:18:11,580 --> 00:18:12,259 For myself. 328 00:18:12,260 --> 00:18:13,260 A little cringe. 329 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,040 Get over the cringe and we'll be okay. 330 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,440 I think it's a very vulnerable thing to watch yourself on television. 331 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,320 I'm a very hard critic. 332 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:24,700 So I've been very critical of myself. 333 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:26,100 It's not easy. 334 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,280 Libby, how do you feel? 335 00:18:28,620 --> 00:18:32,100 I think I feel the same way. I'm definitely going to be critical of 336 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:35,740 start noticing things, everything about everything you've ever done. But I 337 00:18:35,740 --> 00:18:41,180 remember being in that experience thinking whatever anybody had to say 338 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:44,320 way that I'm acting on this show, you don't know until you're experiencing it. 339 00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:46,160 You don't know how you're going to act in front of cameras. 340 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,020 It's very much a weird environment where you don't have your phone. You're not 341 00:18:50,020 --> 00:18:53,940 around your family. You're really isolated. And you're trying to explore a 342 00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:56,780 connection with somebody. And that alone can be a scary experience. 343 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,320 But you're also trying to act yourself in front of the camera. And I think that 344 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,920 for me, those two things together were really hard. Totally valid. 345 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:09,060 Libby and Andrew left the retreat with a 16 -year age gap and a mutual love of 346 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:12,760 Taylor Swift in hopes that their love story would just say yes. 347 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,000 But with Andrew's daughters and Libby's bright future, it seemed like we might 348 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,120 have known their fate all too well. That is until Andrew learned what a hard 349 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:26,220 launch meant and decided to manifest it anyway. And they say age gap 350 00:19:26,220 --> 00:19:27,840 relationships don't teach you anything. 351 00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:31,660 Well, how has that been for you two? 352 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:36,360 It's been great. First of all, I just wanted to put it on the record that if 353 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,220 speaks to anything of how weird this experience is, my mother notified me 354 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:41,220 actually been to three. 355 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,620 Taylor Swift concerts. That's how delusional I was. 356 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:45,220 Well, 357 00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,840 I want to work backwards a little bit. 358 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,380 You are one of the couples that's still together. 359 00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:55,940 It was really fun watching you guys fall in love on this show. But how have you 360 00:19:55,940 --> 00:20:01,180 gotten to this point still in a relationship? What's the thing or things 361 00:20:01,180 --> 00:20:05,140 you think has made it work? I think that there's a lot that goes into being a 362 00:20:05,140 --> 00:20:07,560 long distance relationship, an age gap relationship. 363 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,620 All the things that I think that you saw us really touch on the silly side of 364 00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:16,740 things on the show. But behind that off camera or sometimes on, there were a lot 365 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:21,160 of deeper conversations that were had a lot of ways in which we realized that we 366 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,840 were compatible that I never expected. 367 00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:27,640 And I really feel like he was able to meet me on the level that I was at and 368 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,640 could kind of. 369 00:20:28,750 --> 00:20:32,230 mutually benefit from our relationship where I feel like I have things to learn 370 00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:35,030 from him. He has things to learn from me. And I feel like that's been the 371 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:38,510 biggest thing for us is just being great communicators, being open about 372 00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:42,950 everything. And honestly, I feel like I relate to him more in our relationship 373 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:47,570 than anybody I've dated that my age. And I think that he kind of feels the same 374 00:20:47,570 --> 00:20:49,810 way. Well, I'm curious, Andrew. 375 00:20:50,050 --> 00:20:55,530 I mean, I always talk about how in our relationship we are equals, you know, 376 00:20:55,530 --> 00:21:00,120 we really live that where, you know, The power dynamic is not off. 377 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:06,940 I come to her with as many questions, looking for counsel, looking for advice 378 00:21:06,940 --> 00:21:11,420 she does with me. I am curious, with Libby, what are some things that you 379 00:21:11,420 --> 00:21:15,940 go to her on, and how has she been kind of just helpful with aspects of your 380 00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:20,860 life outside of just getting Taylor Swift knowledge and things like that? 381 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,760 She actually has a lot of wisdom. 382 00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:26,100 A lot of people, I don't think everyone in this room knows, I sold my business 383 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:30,920 at the end of last year. And it was a weird thing for me. 384 00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:36,080 I'm 39 years old now. I'm kind of starting over. I'm in a transition 385 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,920 my life. And she's been amazing. 386 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,520 She's been there. There's been some days where I'm like, what am I doing with my 387 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,520 life? What's next? 388 00:21:42,620 --> 00:21:46,200 And she's been that rock for me throughout this process. 389 00:21:46,620 --> 00:21:49,860 And I don't think that, I almost didn't come out. 390 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,560 this week to LA. I was thinking about staying home. Um, and she was, you know, 391 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,680 there the entire time, like picking me up. 392 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,900 Um, so yeah. 393 00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:04,320 Libby, have you felt the age difference much being outside of the bubble? 394 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,600 Honestly, no, I think I felt it way less than you would expect. 395 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,800 Um, I think the only times I feel it are all in refreshing ways. It's when I can 396 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:18,210 have an open conversation with somebody about my feelings when, um, It's when I 397 00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:22,430 need advice from somebody else. A lot of different things come into play that I 398 00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:24,790 never expected that are all good parts. 399 00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:29,410 And honestly, I don't think anybody looks at us and is like, oh, these two 400 00:22:29,410 --> 00:22:34,290 an age gap. You know what I mean? So I really forget the whole concept of this 401 00:22:34,290 --> 00:22:37,730 show and the fact that there was a time where I was like, holy crap, this person 402 00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:41,190 is 38 years old with teenage kids. I'm 22. 403 00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:44,830 I forget that that whole thing happened because we never are like. 404 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,320 We're in an age gap. 405 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,480 Has anyone had an issue with your age difference, either online or in the 406 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,319 so to speak? 407 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,400 Yeah, so obviously online. 408 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,960 I think that something important to note about this experience is that we didn't 409 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,000 know each other's ages. 410 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,580 Obviously, I look younger than he is, but I think that he thought there was 411 00:23:07,580 --> 00:23:11,960 people 25 and older. So I remember feeling bad. I felt like I age -fished 412 00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:15,620 and I was like, I'm so sorry about that. 413 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,800 Well, so did Jorge, because he didn't know 60 -year -olds were there either. 414 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,059 Yeah. 415 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:21,039 I know, right? 416 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,420 I mean, I didn't like that comment either. By the way, Drew, I'm going to 417 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:27,610 you on that one. Like, oh, this dude's like ancient, man. I didn't know he was 418 00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:29,370 here. He's my boy. But he's like Moses. 419 00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:32,290 I think it's a compliment. 420 00:23:32,530 --> 00:23:35,470 Like, you look great. You look great for a 60. You look great for Moses. You 421 00:23:35,470 --> 00:23:38,150 look great for a 60. Right, right. 422 00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:40,910 I like that. That underhanded compliment. Oh, yeah, you look great for 423 00:23:40,910 --> 00:23:42,190 Moses. I didn't know he looked that way. 424 00:23:42,530 --> 00:23:44,490 I think you age -fished everyone. 425 00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:48,130 Thank you. From you, I'll take that. That's a compliment. 426 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:53,770 I'm curious, Libby and Andrew, what are any challenges that you guys have had to 427 00:23:53,770 --> 00:23:55,450 work through over the past few months? 428 00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:59,040 I would just say the whole long distance thing is a little bit of a challenge, 429 00:23:59,140 --> 00:24:02,320 but I think we've both been really good about that. We have great communication. 430 00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:06,420 We see each other a lot. And honestly, we haven't really had many problems in 431 00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:10,420 our personal lives with people having things to say about our age dynamic. 432 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,080 Obviously, you're going to make assumptions if you know it, but I don't 433 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,840 brings me around as like, this is Libby. 434 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,040 We have a significant age gap. Do you see it? I think that his friends see me 435 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,460 for the person that I am and his family. And same with mine. They've been 436 00:24:24,460 --> 00:24:28,620 incredibly accepting because they know me and they now know him. So I think 437 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:32,120 it's way easier to be like, okay, these are these two individuals and this is 438 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:32,859 their relationship. 439 00:24:32,860 --> 00:24:35,020 Not like here's an age gap relationship. 440 00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:38,000 And what does that mean? And also, like I was saying, it's important to note 441 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,960 that we didn't know each other's ages. Had he been 38 and approached me and 442 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,760 like, oh, you're 22. That's perfect. 443 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,070 I would have been like, red flag. And maybe he would have thought the same if 444 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:49,210 was like, hey, Mr. 445 00:24:49,450 --> 00:24:55,430 38. Because it isn't normal for that to just be on the table and then move 446 00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:59,030 forward. So I think that that would have stopped us in the real world. Well, are 447 00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:01,710 y 'all planning on shortening the long distance? 448 00:25:02,030 --> 00:25:04,690 Has there been conversations of what that might look like? 449 00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:09,710 Yeah, that's the next step for our relationship is trying to figure out the 450 00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:12,150 distance thing and then that. So you would move to Baltimore? 451 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:13,830 No. Oh. 452 00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:15,450 We still don't know the answer. 453 00:25:15,650 --> 00:25:17,530 Okay, we're still figuring it out. Is there a clear path? 454 00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:22,670 We're thinking Florida and just split time. But at least I will split time 455 00:25:22,670 --> 00:25:23,830 between Florida and Baltimore. 456 00:25:24,150 --> 00:25:28,770 Okay. Well, Andrew, early on in the show, you said that you were used to 457 00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:31,230 younger. They were fun. They were crazy. 458 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:32,870 Do you still feel that way? 459 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:39,350 Libby's not that crazy. I mean, she's not that crazy. 460 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:45,420 You know, some crazy comments from time to time, but she isn't. Crazy in the 461 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:48,340 best way. Yeah, in the best way. In the best possible way. 462 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,279 Fuck it. 463 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,120 But, no, she's really surprised me with her communication. 464 00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:56,120 You know, doing the long -distance thing, I think, towards the end of the 465 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:59,860 I was, like, really nervous about that because communication in my past 466 00:25:59,860 --> 00:26:03,740 relationships hadn't been that great. And that's living in the same city, 467 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,280 staying with each other, you know, multiple times, you know, throughout the 468 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,940 week. So I'm like, how is this? 469 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,400 going to work with her being on the West coast and me on the East coast. But I 470 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,240 think that's where our relationship has been so strong is our communication is 471 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:21,520 fantastic. Um, for someone that is 22, like she's a great 23 now. 472 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:25,080 She communicates great. We used to do that a lot too. 473 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,600 Every birthday, every number. I'm like, it's okay. 474 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,040 Yeah. Yeah. 475 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,320 I'm actually a 23 .5. So, um, what'd you know about younger? 476 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,220 And by younger, I mean, they have me saying younger, younger, younger, 477 00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:44,840 younger. The mother of my children, she's a brunette. She is older. 478 00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:51,600 I'm 38 on the show, 39 now. If I date a 32 -year -old, she's younger. Like what 479 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,620 I have found, and this is, you know, like knock on anyone that's older here, 480 00:26:55,740 --> 00:27:00,120 like any of the older women, what I have found dating closer to my age and in 481 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:05,500 the 40s is it's, you know, typically someone that's divorced, someone that 482 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:10,890 kids. And we all have deal breakers. We all have things that, you know, I've 483 00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:15,070 always said that I didn't want to be with someone that has kids or someone 484 00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:18,970 is divorced. And that's no knock on that at all. That's just like something for 485 00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:24,030 me that I just haven't been open to. And maybe maybe some people will be upset 486 00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:28,110 about that. But for me, that's just like one of those things. So what I do want 487 00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:33,390 people to know is I didn't go searching for a 22 year old. We didn't know each 488 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:35,790 other's ages. And I very much thought. 489 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,900 And I don't know where, you know, I don't remember who told this to me, but 490 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,760 thought the age demographic on the show was 25 to 55. 491 00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:47,540 Like I really did. My shock in, I think you can see that in the promise room, 492 00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:50,740 like I'm thinking through and I'm like, who told me? Who lied to me? 493 00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:59,400 And what were some of your biggest insecurities or fears about the idea 494 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,760 Libby was 22 and yet you were having feelings for her? 495 00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:05,100 I mean, I just had this preconceived notion. 496 00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:10,560 My past two relationships, I did date women that were in their 20s, and it 497 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,459 didn't work out. 498 00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:13,500 So I'm like, okay, here we go again. 499 00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:16,960 Are we going to be able to meet each other where the other person is in life? 500 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,380 Are we going to be able to communicate effectively? 501 00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:23,390 I was just worried about that. I'm like, you know, I don't want to waste my 502 00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:26,970 time. I'm getting older. I don't want to be in another relationship where we're 503 00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:29,630 not going to be able to make it work, where we're not going to be able to 504 00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:33,430 communicate, where we are at two different places in our lives. It's 505 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:36,650 think, you know, for some of us older people, you can agree, like the last 506 00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:40,450 you want to do when you get up there a little bit in age is like waste your 507 00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:41,870 on something that's not going to work. 508 00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:47,670 Yeah. What is something about your relationship that you guys have found is 509 00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:49,010 surprisingly easy? 510 00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:55,140 the long distance like again i thought it was going to be much harder and i 511 00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:59,440 like it's the healthiest relationship when it comes to communication really 512 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,200 actually like kind of all aspects of the relationship but so healthy when it 513 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,660 comes to communicating and i thought it was going to be much much more 514 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:09,460 challenging being you know in a long distance relationship i was genuinely 515 00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:11,900 surprised just by every facet meaning 516 00:29:12,669 --> 00:29:16,290 compatibility wise I don't think I've ever been with somebody who had just the 517 00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:20,190 same outlook on every single thing as me the same goals the same like we see 518 00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:23,950 everything in the same light and I don't think I've ever been in a relationship 519 00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:27,290 or even had like friends that were that similar to me and I just remember we 520 00:29:27,290 --> 00:29:30,970 were so eye to eye on everything and obviously I really liked him when we 521 00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:34,470 in Whistler but when we moved in together I was like wait this is super 522 00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:38,250 like we're doing all the same things we just even when it comes to you'll see 523 00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:42,140 all my friends were like Libby it's not a roommate it's a relationship Which, 524 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,940 very true. But those things can be detrimental things to a relationship. I 525 00:29:46,940 --> 00:29:49,240 we both like things a certain way. We're a little OCD. 526 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:50,960 And I don't think... 527 00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:55,450 anybody in this experience anybody else in the world could have gotten me to the 528 00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:59,290 place that we ended up because he was the only one to be like hey listen let's 529 00:29:59,290 --> 00:30:02,390 let's be a little bit more serious I know there's something more to you 530 00:30:02,390 --> 00:30:07,850 I've heard it and so you're safe to open up to me etc and I think that we're 531 00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:12,050 both super lucky to have found somebody so like specifically perfect for the 532 00:30:12,050 --> 00:30:16,740 other person and I just remember literally walking on Sunshine and 533 00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:20,120 Butterflies being like, wait, is this what it's like to be with somebody who 534 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,340 actually compatible with you? Like, it was a crazy experience, honestly. Your 535 00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:29,360 friends also suggested that he should get Botox. Have you? 536 00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:30,580 Why, 537 00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:33,780 though? Harsh. 538 00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:36,060 He has nice skin. 539 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:36,999 He does. 540 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000 I didn't say it. 541 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,520 She did. My Nina girl, my angel. 542 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000 That's just our relationship. 543 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,560 Like she'll look at me and be like, why are you sitting like that? What are you 544 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,600 wearing? Whatever. And that's always warranted with me. Like, I love it. I'm 545 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,180 like, thank you so much. You're the best. That's true love to me. And also, 546 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:55,600 though she was super harsh, she protects me like, and she's very much a realist. 547 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,900 Um, so to me, that's a true friend to somebody who will clock you, maybe not 548 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:00,060 your mans and tell them that they need. 549 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,300 we have that problem with her too. Okay. It's not the first time she's gone off 550 00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:05,279 to somebody like that. 551 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,100 But like we said, she had the headband on and she was ready to fight. And then 552 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,820 you see me go, Nina, we can't say that. Mike, Mike. 553 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:16,880 But yeah, that's, you know, that's sometimes we've all, we've all got that 554 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,540 friend, but she defends me with her chest and we love her. 555 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:25,380 Andrew, you mentioned on the show that you had some nerves about holding Libby 556 00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:29,400 back, which is a feeling I really related to because obviously when 557 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,400 I got together, 558 00:31:31,219 --> 00:31:34,720 basically Libby's age. And there's this kind of thought of like, yeah, we have a 559 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,820 great connection. You like me now, but are you going to feel the same way with 560 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:40,460 me in three or four years? 561 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,080 You know, we came to find that we were surprisingly kind of on the same path in 562 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,400 terms of like what we wanted for ourselves at the stages of life that we 563 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,300 in. I'm curious, how were you able to work through those insecurities and 564 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:58,700 And how have you and Libby kind of figured out the path that you guys are 565 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,080 I mean, I still have those fears, I think, from time to time. You know, for 566 00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:05,920 I have two daughters. They're teenagers at this point. 567 00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:09,340 I have went back and forth in my head, like, do I want more children? 568 00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:11,280 I definitely do. 569 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,320 But I also think there's like a cutoff for me. I'm 39 years old. I don't know 570 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,640 I want to be having a baby at 46, 47. 571 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:23,520 So does our time frame in terms of like when she wants kids and, you know, where 572 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,080 I would be open to having kids, too. So I think that, you know. 573 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,660 Still something that that worries me a little bit. And I think I was even 574 00:32:31,660 --> 00:32:34,800 worried about it towards the end of the show. They don't show it as much, but I 575 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,320 definitely was, you know, thinking back and forth, like, am I going to hold her 576 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,140 back? You know, what if she wants to take the next 10 years to really focus 577 00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:42,759 her career? 578 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,900 And she's 33 and wants to have kids. And at that point, you know, I'm 49. 579 00:32:48,550 --> 00:32:49,550 Dead. 580 00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:51,430 I'm dead. 581 00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:53,369 That's old. 582 00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:58,110 Are you guys on the same page in terms of that timeline? 583 00:32:58,330 --> 00:33:02,030 Have you guys talked about kids or what that looks like? Yeah, like I said in 584 00:33:02,030 --> 00:33:03,030 the show, 585 00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:07,990 I'm probably not the typical 23 -year -old where I just want to go create the 586 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:12,130 experience. There is that part of it, but there's also the part where, to me, 587 00:33:12,170 --> 00:33:16,150 experiencing life is having a stable relationship with a person that's good 588 00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:20,950 me and a family and being happy. To me, that's experiencing life. As far as kids 589 00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:25,050 and everything is concerned, that was a big conversation and a big part of the 590 00:33:25,050 --> 00:33:29,450 relationship. And I think you see me being like, oh, I like that he has kids, 591 00:33:29,530 --> 00:33:31,350 whatever, but it doesn't really show my... 592 00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:35,140 kind of excitement about that after I processed it. I was like, okay, I really 593 00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:39,120 like that this person is a girl dad. It says a lot about him. It shows that he's 594 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,580 more mature. There's definitely a certain responsibility that comes along 595 00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:45,880 kids. And sometimes when you're looking for a partner, you wonder, can this 596 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,700 person handle kids? Would this person be a good dad? And I was really refreshed 597 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:53,060 to see that I already saw that in him. And for me, that was a huge green flag. 598 00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:58,740 And yeah, I think that we had to come to terms on the show with the fact that to 599 00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:03,260 be with me would entail having more kids and being aligned on that timeline and 600 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:06,800 that was one of the big conversations that was really hard for me to hear his 601 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,080 reservations and his doubts about that because that's something that's super 602 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,480 important to me I've always wanted to be a mom but yeah honestly when I heard he 603 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,820 had kids it just made me take him more seriously and just see him as a better 604 00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:23,480 candidate and I think we are aligned on the timeline meaning He can't wait 605 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,480 forever. And I've always wanted to be obviously not at this age a mom, but a 606 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,380 eventually. And probably sooner than later, my parents had me on the younger 607 00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:37,920 side. They've been married for 30 years. They're an amazing example of what I 608 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,738 want in a relationship. 609 00:34:38,739 --> 00:34:43,300 And so if I were to even have something that looks similar to that, I would be 610 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:44,178 super happy. 611 00:34:44,179 --> 00:34:49,760 Well, we've wrapped filming almost a year ago -ish. Have you met his 612 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,159 I have not. 613 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,520 Okay. Why? Why not? 614 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:58,320 So we're trying to figure out the long distance thing first. 615 00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:03,400 You know, the show, you're in a bubble. You know, it's all fun and games. You 616 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,580 know, you're enjoying life. 617 00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:07,840 You're going to the pool midday on Monday. 618 00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:13,040 It's a little bit different. Everything since then, too, has felt kind of like 619 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,840 the honeymoon phase for us. It's, you know, we see each other once a month and 620 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,120 we're in. 621 00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:22,450 LA or we're in Florida or we're in Baltimore and we're enjoying ourselves 622 00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:26,370 having fun. We haven't really been able to test our relationship in terms of 623 00:35:26,370 --> 00:35:30,730 like spending significant amount of time together in the real world, doing our 624 00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:35,250 day to day, getting up, going to the gym, going to work, coming home, eating 625 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:36,250 dinner together. 626 00:35:36,750 --> 00:35:40,550 You know, I was very adamant about this on the show. I am super, super 627 00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:43,890 protective of my daughters. Like I made myself a promise. 628 00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:48,050 After introducing my daughters to one of my exes, the only person that's ever 629 00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:51,510 met them, I told them, unless it's going to be my forever person and I know 630 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:53,590 that, I'm not introducing someone. 631 00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:56,970 I don't want them to see someone come in and out of their lives. 632 00:35:57,250 --> 00:36:01,190 It's not fair to Libby. It's not fair to my daughters. It's not fair to me for 633 00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:06,290 that to happen. So, you know, long story short, I want to see that we can move 634 00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:10,710 in together, you know, that the relationship is headed to us getting 635 00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:13,630 spending the rest of our life together before, you know. 636 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,920 We make that introduction. 637 00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:17,240 So like it has to be an engagement before that happens? 638 00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:21,860 I don't think, no, not an engagement. I think that would be a little weird, you 639 00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:25,560 know, to be like, oh, hey, by the way, this is my fiance. 640 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,700 But I think it has to be, I have to know, like I'm putting a ring on it. 641 00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:31,740 the direction that it's going. 642 00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:34,360 Do they know that Libby exists? 643 00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:35,558 They do. 644 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,260 I mean, I am a father now, but I'm not like a father like you are, a single 645 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:42,740 father who's out there dating. So like everything you're saying. 646 00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:46,890 totally makes a lot of sense in terms of the sensitivity around it. 647 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:51,070 Just to play devil's advocate, I mean, you're kind of saying two things at the 648 00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:55,790 same time, and one of that almost kind of sounds like, I don't know how it's 649 00:36:55,790 --> 00:37:00,230 going with Libby, almost. I'm curious, Libby, how does that make you feel, 650 00:37:00,330 --> 00:37:04,190 knowing that his reasoning makes a lot of sense, but at the same time, are you 651 00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:07,050 internalizing that as, what does that say about us? 652 00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:11,370 Yeah, I mean, I think that there is an interesting element of this, of the fact 653 00:37:11,370 --> 00:37:13,750 that it's a TV show and I don't think I would be ever. 654 00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:18,850 Well, obviously, the relationship isn't a TV show, but it will be shown on a TV 655 00:37:18,850 --> 00:37:23,890 show. And there's an element of judgment that's going to be made one way or 656 00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:28,070 another. So for me, that's the only hard part is I don't want anybody in the 657 00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:32,930 family to see a little clip of me and make any assumptions versus like me in 658 00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:33,788 real life. 659 00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:34,790 What do you mean by that? 660 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:40,220 Like them not meeting you and only watch you on TV. Exactly. 661 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:46,320 And just keeping that image of me in their mind before they got a chance to 662 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,460 their own judgment. Because like we said, it's a show. Four weeks doesn't 663 00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:55,000 summarize you as a person. Your nervous self on camera isn't you as a person in 664 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000 your entirety. 665 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,420 So there's that. But also I just want to say like I really respect the fact that 666 00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:02,820 he's mature enough to be like, hey, it's not. 667 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,960 appropriate for me to be bringing people in and out of somebody's life and when 668 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,060 there's kids in the picture i think it's it's hard for me to talk about because 669 00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:15,180 i never want to overstep because that is somebody else's family that didn't ask 670 00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:18,940 for their life to be put on camera and for them to be talked about to the 671 00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:25,080 so i just honestly am mostly respectful of his maturity to the situation have 672 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,360 you met the mother of his children i have not is that something that you're 673 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,070 looking at doing at some point I mean, I think that would just boil down to her. 674 00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:40,050 You know, she wants to. I, you know, I would offer that. You know, I did it, 675 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:43,970 know, the last time that someone met my daughters. I, you know, did ask her, 676 00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:47,910 like, did you want to meet her first before I make the introduction to the 677 00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:50,890 girls? But I'm going to leave that up to her. She's going to make her own 678 00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:53,950 decisions. I can't speak for her if she'll want to meet Libby. 679 00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:58,250 And I'm curious, I mean, do you guys talk about, and it seems like it's still 680 00:38:58,250 --> 00:39:02,430 fairly early in the relationship, but like, do you guys talk about engagement 681 00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:06,550 all? Or are we just focusing on closing the long distance and things like that? 682 00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:11,450 Yeah. I mean, as far as engagement's concerned, like this whole show thing is 683 00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:14,310 kind of a wrench in the plant. We've been on the low. 684 00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:19,950 So we both know that like we see each other as a potential partner, spouse, 685 00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:22,670 whatever. But are we day to day like? 686 00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:24,210 So can you pop in the question? 687 00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:29,350 No, no, no, no. And also, yeah, there are those more important things about a 688 00:39:29,350 --> 00:39:33,150 relationship that you really need a test first before you are to get engaged 689 00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:36,650 with anything of the sort. One being living together for extended amounts of 690 00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:40,590 times. Another being dating somebody who has kids and being a part of that. 691 00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:42,930 That's a whole other life that I haven't experienced. 692 00:39:43,330 --> 00:39:47,730 Okay. Let's take a quick break and then we'll be right back to get into it with 693 00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:48,730 the rest of the couples. 694 00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:49,870 Don't go away. 695 00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:54,350 If you enjoyed watching Age of Attraction and are interested in 696 00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:58,110 love for yourself on Season 2 of Age of Attraction, be sure to go to 697 00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:03,790 ageofattractioncasting .com to apply because your future love story could be 698 00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:04,790 waiting for you. 699 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,600 This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Financial stress can affect us more 700 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,460 than we know. 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And we're cool. All right. I mean, for me personally, I 749 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:06,700 think... And I will always think Vanilla's an amazing, beautiful woman. 750 00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:10,980 think the world of her, she knows that. We talked after, you know, and I have 751 00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:11,980 nothing but love for her. 752 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,600 Oh, you did? So y 'all had a moment after the show? Mm -hmm. 753 00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:17,620 And whose decision was that? Who reached out? 754 00:43:17,860 --> 00:43:18,860 Vanilla reached out to me. 755 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,860 Okay. What was that feeling of wanting to reach out to him? 756 00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:29,580 I think after, like, leaving the show and, like, coming back to real life, it 757 00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:33,180 was just kind of, like, weird to just act like... you know, that whole 758 00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:37,740 connection like didn't exist, like that I just didn't know that person. So I 759 00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:44,680 reached out and, you know, I missed him. I wanted to, you know, try to see if we 760 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,100 can like try to make it work. 761 00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:48,300 And yeah. 762 00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:51,680 It was very disappointing to see you guys break up because at the time, I 763 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,740 you guys were very excited about each other. Certainly you, Vanell, had a lot 764 00:43:55,740 --> 00:43:57,620 hope and optimism about the potential. 765 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,380 Where do you think ultimately things went wrong? 766 00:44:00,890 --> 00:44:07,710 I think for me, we weren't aligned on my abstinence. Our communication 767 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:09,550 was definitely a huge factor. 768 00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:14,670 Yeah, I think mainly those two things, but mainly the communication. 769 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:17,610 And what do you mean by the abstinence side of things? 770 00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:22,530 I think you can see on the show, it kind of just was blurred a little bit. 771 00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:27,430 Obviously, Jorge was a little bit confused on where the abstinence lied 772 00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:30,780 because... of the romantic moments we had and stuff. 773 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,720 Um, and we didn't really like have like deeper conversations about that and like 774 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:36,900 what those boundaries were. 775 00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:41,880 I guess looking back, you know, because a lot of that, a lot of that moment was 776 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,620 about you telling Jorge that you were celibate and just hoping that, you know, 777 00:44:47,620 --> 00:44:51,780 you would get as obviously as you would hope to get like a, I want to respect 778 00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:53,280 that. I want to support that. 779 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,680 And it didn't seem like, again, Jorge, you really understood. 780 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,260 what she meant by celibate, or maybe you had some of your own assumptions, and 781 00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:05,360 that seemed to lead to some communication problems. 782 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,420 Actually, I think so. I like the fact that she said abstinent because it's not 783 00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:15,100 celibate, it's abstinent. But I did not have a problem. So one of the things is 784 00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:20,560 this. My connection with Vanell was very real, very serious. As I've told you 785 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,680 all, I was very protective of her. 786 00:45:23,770 --> 00:45:27,110 when I say protective of her, not only protective of her from the outside, but 787 00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:32,150 protective of her from me. I'm not going to do anything to try to offend or hurt 788 00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:36,510 her. And everything I did and every way I tried to handle it, I tried to handle 789 00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:42,530 it with care as best I could so that she understood. And I understood that when 790 00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:47,270 she said it, when we first talked and she said it, so then my thoughts went 791 00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:49,730 okay, well, Vancouver, we're going to do a lot of talking. 792 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:50,960 Because we're enjoying nothing else. 793 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:56,740 But like she said, some of the romantic moments confused it for me. And I think 794 00:45:56,740 --> 00:46:02,660 when I look back at it, I always say, communication is key for me. 795 00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:04,160 is everything. You're going to hear me say it over and over again. 796 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,780 Because in my profession as a lawyer, most times people misunderstand each 797 00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:14,060 other. And they'll be talking apples and oranges, and they go apart because they 798 00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:15,060 never really understood. 799 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:19,060 And I think that that happened with Fenella and I because, honestly, 800 00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:26,160 If you look at it, she was saying, she kept asking me, what do you think about 801 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,700 it? And I kept telling her, I don't know. 802 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,240 And I think that set her off because it made her think that, well, no, that's 803 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,178 not acceptable. 804 00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:37,440 And so when I look back at it, I said, you know what? It wasn't her, it was me 805 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,120 on the communication tip because I should have said, well, listen. 806 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:45,260 And when we were talking, I wanted her to say, see, everybody in Vancouver was, 807 00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:46,198 I don't know. 808 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,320 Because I don't know meant, I don't know if we're going to be together. 809 00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:51,280 I don't know if we're going to continue in a relationship. 810 00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:55,260 I don't know. There's a bunch of I don't knows. So the way I felt about it was, 811 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,340 well, first off, I'm a little confused. I always think that as a man, I need to 812 00:47:00,340 --> 00:47:04,120 step forward and say, okay, so what does actually your absence mean? 813 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,080 Like, give me a blueprint. 814 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,460 And I didn't do that. 815 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,880 You know, I assumed that when she said absence, it meant nothing. And so then 816 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,820 when we do stuff, I'm like, okay, this is not absence. So maybe it's... 817 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:20,160 Maybe it's something you're struggling with. So that would be, I'll take the 818 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,060 brunt of that because I don't believe in, I'm not big into pointing fingers at 819 00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:24,919 you all. 820 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,780 Let's look at it collectively and see what we can do to better communicate. 821 00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:32,700 I think, as I said then, it was a communication thing. 822 00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:35,660 And it could have been improved and I always take my responsibility. 823 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,940 I'm curious to know, obviously, in today's culture, hookup culture is 824 00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:41,940 prevalent. 825 00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:45,540 It obviously, as you expressed, has been a challenge for you dating. 826 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,860 Has your relationship with Jorge and how things unfolded, has it given you a 827 00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:55,120 different perspective of how you communicate your celibacy going forward? 828 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:02,080 Yeah, definitely. And I think like coming into this experience, like 829 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,920 this, like dating. 830 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:08,410 situations like this have been easier for me to avoid like I'm not you know 831 00:48:08,410 --> 00:48:10,930 never lived with a guy before I'm not putting myself in these types of 832 00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:15,550 temptations but you know coming to this experience I really wanted to fully give 833 00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:19,390 myself into this process and really see where it goes with Jorge I was literally 834 00:48:19,390 --> 00:48:24,900 like obsessed with him um so yeah there are times when I'm literally living with 835 00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:28,960 someone that I had an extremely strong emotional connection to, also really 836 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,260 physically attracted to. 837 00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:34,080 So, yeah, like, you know, there are times when maybe I fell short a little 838 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,980 but maybe going forward, just be a little bit more like, you know, stern 839 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:40,920 my boundaries. But like I said, on the outside world, I'm not putting myself in 840 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,920 situations like this. 841 00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:49,640 Okay. There was also a big moment throughout that I think might have been 842 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,640 before your breakup. 843 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,260 Something happened to the streets of Vancouver. 844 00:48:55,580 --> 00:49:00,220 Vanell, I'd like to kind of have you clear that whole situation up and get 845 00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:03,460 kind of the details of it all just because the show didn't. 846 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,980 So can you tell us what happened in that? 847 00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:11,900 Yeah. I mean, I guess Jorge can say his part too. But from my experience, I 848 00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:16,160 thought there was just like a random guy on the street just yelling over like, 849 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,920 yo, you talking blah, blah. And obviously like Jorge turns around and is 850 00:49:21,390 --> 00:49:26,130 oh like mind your business or whatever and then they're both going at it and it 851 00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:29,590 comes to a point where you know the guy's walking behind us he has his 852 00:49:29,590 --> 00:49:33,770 skateboard in his hand and you know him and Jorge are still like you know going 853 00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:37,430 back and forth about it and it starts to get to a point where it gets escalated 854 00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:42,670 and you know Jorge's they're talking about fighting each other um and I think 855 00:49:42,670 --> 00:49:46,330 for me in that moment I think that was my first time seeing Jorge 856 00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:51,560 Seeing Jorge, like, upset, like, I saw, like, a different side to him. And it 857 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,260 just, you know, it was different for me. 858 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,960 And I, yeah. 859 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,320 What about that? 860 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,280 Because we had an opportunity to talk with you prior to now. Yeah. And I 861 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,160 you know, it's an interesting conversation, right? Because on one end, 862 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,220 as guys, you know, we want to protect our ladies. We want to, you know, be 863 00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:12,220 for them. 864 00:50:13,690 --> 00:50:17,430 I feel like my wife expects that of me as well. But there are also situations 865 00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:22,610 where it's like, you know, you use the phrase, I wanted to diffuse the 866 00:50:22,610 --> 00:50:26,790 situation. And then the kind of the question is, you know, how do you go 867 00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:31,370 diffusing the situation? When we talked to you before, you suggested that when 868 00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:34,910 the things first happened, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, so 869 00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:38,910 correct me if I'm wrong, that you felt like Jorge could have done something 870 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:40,870 different to diffuse the situation. 871 00:50:41,530 --> 00:50:45,130 And in fact, you almost felt like he escalated it to a point. Can you 872 00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:49,610 on that? I definitely still feel that way. I feel like, you know, at that 873 00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:52,730 when they were just still like, you know, arguing with each other, I felt 874 00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:57,510 we could have maybe just like ignored that person and kept walking. I felt 875 00:50:57,510 --> 00:51:02,530 it didn't need to get to a point where they're both wanting to like be physical 876 00:51:02,530 --> 00:51:03,529 with each other. 877 00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:06,670 Also, for me, like I was uncomfortable in that moment because. 878 00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:10,610 you know, this person could have had like a gun, could have had a knife, 879 00:51:10,610 --> 00:51:11,610 have done something. 880 00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:15,190 But also it was just like a random person, right? Like that's not someone 881 00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:19,350 knew. So it could have been avoided in my opinion. And he was yelling from afar 882 00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:20,530 at y 'all to start? 883 00:51:20,770 --> 00:51:22,610 No, absolutely not. 884 00:51:23,050 --> 00:51:24,350 I'd love to hear. 885 00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:30,010 Well, one, I mean, when Vanell first called me, I'm a little surprised what 886 00:51:30,010 --> 00:51:33,150 just said, because she said, when we first talked, she said, I understood 887 00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:37,590 you were protecting me after talking to my mother and her friend. But so the 888 00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:41,850 situation, it's still clear in my mind. I don't forget that kind of stuff. And 889 00:51:41,850 --> 00:51:45,730 one of the things I said to Vanell is, have you been, are you, I've been in the 890 00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:50,950 streets. I've come from the hood. So I know a situation when I see one. And 891 00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:54,490 happened is, so we're standing, waiting for the light to change. 892 00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:59,450 Actually, we're joking. And so I said something to her like, you crazy girl. 893 00:51:59,450 --> 00:52:00,450 we're laughing. 894 00:52:00,550 --> 00:52:03,490 And this guy comes up and says, what the fuck did you say to me? 895 00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:09,710 So first off, you're behind my woman, right? You're saying that to me. So what 896 00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:11,450 said to him was, first of all, I'm talking to her. 897 00:52:11,650 --> 00:52:14,710 Second of all, you better watch how you talk to me. And I made it very clear 898 00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:18,590 because I'm not, there's not, I've never known any time when I've been on the 899 00:52:18,590 --> 00:52:21,270 streets that someone who poses a threat. 900 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,860 Goes away by saying, can you please leave us alone? 901 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,280 No, that's not going to happen. So I wanted to let him know I'm not having 902 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,540 So when I said that, he said, yeah, that's what I thought. He keeps talking. 903 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,920 OK, that could have arrested the light turns. 904 00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:38,060 So we get ready to walk across the street as we're walking. 905 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,180 Vanell is behind me, which is a problem for me. 906 00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:43,900 Right. He's behind her with a skateboard. 907 00:52:44,940 --> 00:52:48,400 So that's what I'm like. Oh, no, he's not. I'm not. I'm not going to take a 908 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,950 chance. With this man hitting her over there, it's not going to happen. And he 909 00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:52,769 kept walking. 910 00:52:52,770 --> 00:52:54,470 So I said, Vinel, go in front of me. 911 00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:57,670 Right? And then I turned and I said, I'm going to tell you one time and one time 912 00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:58,710 only. Walk away. 913 00:52:59,290 --> 00:53:02,030 And he's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. I said, and I ain't going to lie. I said, 914 00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:03,810 will bust your ass. I'm not playing with you. 915 00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:05,470 And I wasn't. 916 00:53:05,570 --> 00:53:07,630 I'm not. I'm the one thing you can. 917 00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:12,430 I don't mind taking responsibility. I'm going to defend my woman or any woman in 918 00:53:12,430 --> 00:53:13,288 my life. 919 00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:15,610 Period. It's not negotiable. 920 00:53:16,189 --> 00:53:19,650 So I told him that. And so then when he said something else, I just stepped 921 00:53:19,650 --> 00:53:20,990 towards him. And then he walked away. 922 00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:25,450 That was the end of it. Because I want him to know I'm not playing with you 923 00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:29,170 Could have had a gun, could have had a knife, could have got hit by a car. I 924 00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:29,988 don't care. 925 00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:33,230 I'm not going to let you pose a threat to my woman, period. 926 00:53:33,490 --> 00:53:37,630 What you and I deal with, so be it. But you're not going to pose a threat to my 927 00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:38,630 woman, period. 928 00:53:38,859 --> 00:53:43,080 Yeah, but I don't think I would say that guy was directly behind me. There was a 929 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,300 good amount of distance between us when we were walking. I think we see it 930 00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:47,560 differently. I think we see it differently. 931 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,060 I think that I'm pretty well aware of where I saw him and pretty well aware of 932 00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:53,060 what he had in his hand. 933 00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:57,960 I don't think anyone would think, as an attorney, I know, come on, I'm not going 934 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,040 to just go around, hey, let me start a fight with this random guy. No, I don't 935 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,620 care about that. I don't care about that. 936 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,420 What I care about is... 937 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,360 If you pose a threat to her, I'm going to take care of that. 938 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,740 That's just the way I felt. With that said, I understand if she felt 939 00:54:12,740 --> 00:54:16,040 uncomfortable and that doesn't work for her, then I respect that. No problem. 940 00:54:16,180 --> 00:54:20,300 But what I said to her on the show, I said ten toes down, I'm going to do it 941 00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:23,580 every time in every situation. If we walk out of here today and we're all 942 00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:26,320 walking together and some man poses a threat, I'm going to step to him. 943 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,420 Period. I am curious, just opening it up to the group, I imagine this is a 944 00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:32,680 fairly relatable topic for both men. 945 00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:37,110 and women in relationships. And there seems to be kind of a gray area of like, 946 00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:43,710 hey, do I need the protection in this moment? Or are you puffing your chest 947 00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:49,170 showing off? Or are you diffusing the situation in the best possible way? 948 00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:52,170 Because it seems to be like almost a lot of gray area. And I'm just kind of 949 00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:56,630 curious what any of you have to say about it. Yeah, I mean, for me, I think 950 00:54:56,630 --> 00:55:00,090 man, you're just protected by nature. You should be. And if you're with your 951 00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:01,490 partner and someone... 952 00:55:01,790 --> 00:55:05,630 poses a threat, whether you know what they have or don't, you're going to make 953 00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:06,670 sure your person is protected. 954 00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:11,650 And I get coming from different backgrounds, Jorge and I have a similar 955 00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:18,470 And so for me, like I relate to it. Like if someone's out of pocket and you're 956 00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:21,070 right, you don't know if they have a knife or a gun or anything like that, 957 00:55:21,070 --> 00:55:24,170 I'm not going to let you walk behind me because I don't know if you have 958 00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:28,150 something on you. Right. And if you back down, typically in those situations, 959 00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:29,870 they do actually. 960 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,760 continue to get aggressive so you have to address the situation and say hey you 961 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,000 got to go that way or it's a problem and typically a lot of times like it 962 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,680 happened with them they'll just walk away so for me like I I'm the same way 963 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:50,840 I'm with my partner anyone that I'm protective of and someone's making us 964 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,140 uncomfortable I'm going to get rid of the situation 965 00:55:53,970 --> 00:55:57,010 Teresa, I feel like you have a lot of – you're listening intently. 966 00:55:57,250 --> 00:56:00,590 I can hear your – I can see your brain moving. I mean I want to ask you. But I 967 00:56:00,590 --> 00:56:05,250 just feel like I understand that if that person was right next to us. There was 968 00:56:05,250 --> 00:56:06,990 a distance between us in the beginning. 969 00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:11,570 Clarified distance for people like was close to like from you to Natalie and 970 00:56:11,570 --> 00:56:15,050 you to Nick. Like how – because everyone – I feel like this distance is like – 971 00:56:15,310 --> 00:56:19,030 thing like how close was I would say like a distance from like here to like 972 00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:23,130 there like we were walking that guy was walking he was far it was it was a 973 00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:29,110 distance but for you how far was his man that is absolutely so we we were I 974 00:56:29,110 --> 00:56:35,790 think she her opinion matters we were stopped 975 00:56:35,790 --> 00:56:39,850 at a light I understand we were waiting to walk across the street he wasn't 976 00:56:39,850 --> 00:56:43,070 right behind so he he was walking so he came 977 00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:45,750 We're standing. He comes up. 978 00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:51,430 So he's by the lamp right now. So he comes up from behind and he comes. So if 979 00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:55,470 Vanilla's here, he comes closer to that and says something to me. Now, we had 980 00:56:55,470 --> 00:56:59,230 Wrangler and the same thing. You need to get to step. And he said that to him. 981 00:56:59,330 --> 00:57:04,270 So when he comes up, if he's back there, why do I care? I don't care if you're 982 00:57:04,270 --> 00:57:07,850 back there and you're just yelling insults. But if you're here, that's a 983 00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:09,710 Listen, people can. 984 00:57:10,210 --> 00:57:12,590 I'm just going to tell you what I and what I know. And it's like. 985 00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:14,990 As if yesterday. I don't forget that type of stuff. 986 00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:16,890 You know, obviously you guys aren't together. 987 00:57:17,170 --> 00:57:19,130 It doesn't seem like there's going to be a reconciliation. 988 00:57:19,830 --> 00:57:24,770 But how... Pardon me? Well, you tried. You hit me now. I mean, they said they 989 00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:27,790 cool. Remember they cool? You forgot? They said they cool. I mean, listen. Is 990 00:57:27,790 --> 00:57:29,790 there a chance you guys could get back together? 991 00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:31,030 Let's go on. 992 00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:38,190 Keep the stage going on. But I am just curious. And like, how are you... 993 00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:41,890 Question to both of you. Like, in a future situation, we're... 994 00:57:42,090 --> 00:57:45,450 Clearly you guys see this differently. I think we can agree on that, that we're 995 00:57:45,450 --> 00:57:49,590 agreeing to disagree. But in those situations that all couples have, how 996 00:57:49,590 --> 00:57:54,530 guys going to work through those relationships as opposed to just getting 997 00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:55,530 quitting? 998 00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:59,250 I'm not. I mean, the athlete in me, I don't quit at anything. 999 00:58:00,290 --> 00:58:01,490 I'm going to work through it. 1000 00:58:01,690 --> 00:58:04,310 Part of it to me, like I said, I always keep going back to communication, 1001 00:58:04,330 --> 00:58:10,090 communication, because I think that if we understand, then it's like I was 1002 00:58:10,090 --> 00:58:11,490 telling the guy. 1003 00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:17,190 I said, if you're in a relationship with a woman and you and her say, we're on 1004 00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:19,250 the same team, right? So we're never against each other. 1005 00:58:19,470 --> 00:58:24,390 So then that means that no matter what happens, if someone feels disrespected, 1006 00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:29,010 someone feels misunderstood, instead of coming and going against each other, why 1007 00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:31,950 not give the benefit of the doubt and say, well, what did you mean by what you 1008 00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:36,050 just did or what you just said? Because it made me feel this way. And then it 1009 00:58:36,050 --> 00:58:38,730 gives me the opportunity to say, no, that's not what I meant at all. 1010 00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:40,990 And I think what... 1011 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,120 Like when I said earlier about things you learn from relationships, when I was 1012 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,720 younger, it would just be a person yelling their opinion. 1013 00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:55,800 And so to me, like I had told Vanell, in the Bible it says, a fool delights in 1014 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,040 airing his own opinions. A wise man seeks to get an understanding. 1015 00:58:58,340 --> 00:59:03,520 So rather than yelling back and forth, no, I learned from young that, okay, no, 1016 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,000 you know what? I'm going to listen to you. I'm going to let you talk until 1017 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,000 you're done talking. And then I'm going to say, are you done? 1018 00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:10,620 And then I want to respond to you. 1019 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,000 So that you know that I heard you and I'm responding to you. 1020 00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:19,820 But if it doesn't work, it doesn't. And so, but when I, if it fails, I don't go, 1021 00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:23,700 oh, she's just crazy. No, I go, okay, so how could I handle it better? Is it 1022 00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:24,840 something I could have said differently? 1023 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,040 Because going forth, if I'm going to go further in a relationship, I don't want 1024 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,040 that to happen again. 1025 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:35,880 Vanell, did you feel like he listened and then responded in your 1026 00:59:37,230 --> 00:59:42,470 Um, I feel like when we had the conversation, I think in that moment, we 1027 00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:46,630 were a little bit more like heightened and neither of us were really truly like 1028 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:49,770 listening to one another or trying to understand each other. I think at that 1029 00:59:49,770 --> 00:59:54,830 point it was more so just, or at least like neither of us were like resolution 1030 00:59:54,830 --> 01:00:00,570 focused. I don't think. You said that you felt like Jorge talked at you and 1031 01:00:00,570 --> 01:00:02,670 with you. Do you still feel that way? 1032 01:00:03,550 --> 01:00:06,610 Like now? Like looking back at those conversations. 1033 01:00:07,150 --> 01:00:10,570 Yeah, we're watching it. Yeah. Yeah. During those conversations, I think so. 1034 01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:14,970 Right. Because I think and, you know, he was using words like I have, you know, 1035 01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:18,670 experience in this and I've been, you know, through this and I'm from here. 1036 01:00:18,670 --> 01:00:21,290 in those moments, I felt like he was talking at me. 1037 01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:26,130 During the show, you had mentioned that your family or specifically your parents 1038 01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:30,910 didn't want you to date anyone older than 40, 10 years older or something 1039 01:00:30,910 --> 01:00:34,970 that. What was it about Jorge and your relationship that made you so. 1040 01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:42,010 willing to ignore that after learning about his age um i think at that point i 1041 01:00:42,010 --> 01:00:45,910 was already obsessed with him so the age like literally did not matter to me at 1042 01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:50,650 that point i was like he could be 80 years old and i'd still be with him i 1043 01:00:50,650 --> 01:00:55,290 you clearly had those strong feelings which i think is what makes us so sad 1044 01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:58,890 it didn't work out but what were some of the things that he brought to this 1045 01:00:58,890 --> 01:01:04,170 relationship that was different for you Yeah, contrary to belief, I liked how 1046 01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:08,410 dominant Jorge was. 1047 01:01:09,130 --> 01:01:13,210 And also, like, behind closed doors, he was just so sweet to, like, all the 1048 01:01:13,210 --> 01:01:16,910 girls, too, always, like, checking up on everyone, making sure everyone's good, 1049 01:01:17,350 --> 01:01:19,750 always the person that all the guys would come to talk to. 1050 01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:23,130 When I would, like, talk to the girls about him, they all had the great things 1051 01:01:23,130 --> 01:01:24,950 to say, and, like, I really liked that. 1052 01:01:25,610 --> 01:01:29,530 And like you said, he was very protective for me, and I felt safe with 1053 01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:30,530 the time. 1054 01:01:30,570 --> 01:01:34,110 And I could tell that Jorge wasn't someone that, like, lets his guard down 1055 01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:38,370 easily and opens up easily. And, you know, he did that with me. So, yeah, I 1056 01:01:38,370 --> 01:01:41,970 looked those clothes up on him. Is there a part of you that regrets walking away 1057 01:01:41,970 --> 01:01:42,970 that day? 1058 01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:49,850 I wouldn't say I regret walking away, but I think that day, I 1059 01:01:49,850 --> 01:01:53,970 could have communicated better that day. Yeah, for sure. 1060 01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:58,750 Is there any chance that you guys reconsidered this relationship? You 1061 01:01:58,850 --> 01:01:59,850 you're seeing each other. 1062 01:02:00,660 --> 01:02:01,980 You know, you guys are looking great. 1063 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,960 Is there anything you guys want to say to each other? I think that the 1064 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,320 connection, I don't, there's no way in the world you can say that the 1065 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,120 isn't going to always be there. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. So 1066 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,960 when I saw Vanell, it's the same feelings that came right back up. I 1067 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,820 felt, once again, protective of her. I felt, and which for me is weird, because 1068 01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:27,720 normally when I meet a woman, it's like I'm processing information, like to try 1069 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:28,940 to project how you will be. 1070 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,560 With Vanell, it was like, yeah, it's something about her. 1071 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:35,900 And it was different. 1072 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,760 I stepped out of my comfort zone and there were things different that Vanell 1073 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,040 I didn't have in common that I overlooked because I was like, I like 1074 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,700 But in reference to your question, you never know. I never say never because... 1075 01:02:49,290 --> 01:02:52,850 You know, you never know what happens. We saw each other. We hugged. We had 1076 01:02:52,850 --> 01:02:59,670 some, you know, and so, but, but, but that 1077 01:02:59,670 --> 01:03:04,610 being said, that being said, that being said, I feel like this. 1078 01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,780 At the very least, we're friends for life. I told her there's never a time if 1079 01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:12,940 she ever needs to call me, I got her. If she ever needs anything, I got her. 1080 01:03:13,740 --> 01:03:17,480 It's the same way. And even though she doesn't remember Vancouver very well as 1081 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,600 far as me protecting her, I'm still going to protect you. 1082 01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:21,440 I'm just playing. You know, I'm kidding. 1083 01:03:21,940 --> 01:03:25,480 Is there anything you want to say to Jorge? 1084 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,400 No, I think I feel the same. I'll always have love for Jorge. 1085 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,780 I'll always cherish this experience we had together. 1086 01:03:35,050 --> 01:03:40,310 I do want to give you an opportunity to address any feelings you might have 1087 01:03:40,310 --> 01:03:45,090 about the questions that people are having about when you chose to 1088 01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:48,030 to Vanell that you had children. Oh, thank you so much. 1089 01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:51,370 I absolutely hate that shit. 1090 01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:58,090 I am very, very proud of my children. I speak about them all the time. 1091 01:03:58,470 --> 01:04:02,810 It's not something that I would hide from anyone, and I did not want to hide 1092 01:04:02,810 --> 01:04:03,459 from her. 1093 01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:05,100 And it wasn't hidden from her. 1094 01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:11,400 And if I would have followed my gut, and I'm just going to say I wanted to tell 1095 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,820 her on the third date, and that's what my plan was, but I couldn't. If I would 1096 01:04:15,820 --> 01:04:18,740 have followed the way I believe, I should have told her right then. 1097 01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:25,300 The thing about it is how I justified it in my mind was I'm not going to lie to 1098 01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:29,280 her. So when she said that question, I said, so you want kids. I'm not going to 1099 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,580 lie. So for all you people out there saying, oh, he lied. 1100 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,020 I did not lie to her, but that is something that I take very serious. 1101 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,980 And when I shared it with her and Vanell said to me, so listen, where I'm at is 1102 01:04:42,980 --> 01:04:46,540 if my man wants children, then I'm down to have it. But if he doesn't, then I 1103 01:04:46,540 --> 01:04:47,178 don't care. 1104 01:04:47,180 --> 01:04:53,100 So I think both of us are aligned with that because my thing is people, I've 1105 01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:54,560 read people, oh, you're six, you don't have kids. 1106 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:59,500 Man, Al Pacino had kids. Shut up. So I feel like that would be something we 1107 01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:01,080 determined if we stayed together. 1108 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,620 But I was definitely not hiding my kids. That was never something I would do. I 1109 01:05:06,620 --> 01:05:09,840 think all of the men on here were all proud of our children. And I appreciate 1110 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,080 you for allowing me to address it. I think it's obvious that you're proud of 1111 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,860 your kids. I think that's what's interesting because so much of you guys' 1112 01:05:15,940 --> 01:05:19,180 relationship is about the communication or where you guys struggled. 1113 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,000 It's interesting to hear how mentally you had told yourself, I want to tell 1114 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,060 on the third date. I want to tell her on the third date. 1115 01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:29,020 And we had an opportunity to watch The Promise Room with you two. 1116 01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:33,470 And when it all went down, Vanell was like, I don't even know if you have kids 1117 01:05:33,470 --> 01:05:36,270 or if you want kids. And she asked two questions back to back. 1118 01:05:36,610 --> 01:05:38,390 You answered the second question. 1119 01:05:38,770 --> 01:05:42,550 And it's just kind of fascinating. I wonder if you reflect on that, you know, 1120 01:05:42,550 --> 01:05:45,790 that mentally you were like, I want to tell her on the third date. And then you 1121 01:05:45,790 --> 01:05:49,050 had this expectation or this question that you asked. 1122 01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:51,990 And then all of a sudden she's like, you don't have kids. 1123 01:05:52,330 --> 01:05:55,310 And you're like, oh, she's not worried about that. 1124 01:05:55,740 --> 01:05:59,480 Do you think sometimes being kind of like that strong -minded person, that 1125 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,620 strong -willed person where, like, you're actually not listening to your 1126 01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:07,640 as much as you think you are because, like, he asked the question and you were 1127 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,160 so, like, committed to telling her on the third date rather than when she 1128 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,440 about it? No, I think it was the more stubborn side of me. It didn't have to 1129 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,740 with the fact that, okay, I wanted to tell her the third date and it was 1130 01:06:17,740 --> 01:06:20,900 prevented, so you're not going to tell me when I'm going to tell her when. No 1131 01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:23,420 one's going to tell me unless Christ comes down. 1132 01:06:23,820 --> 01:06:26,700 That's the only person who's going to tell me, hey, you need to do this and 1133 01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:27,238 do it. 1134 01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,480 So if you tell me I have to do something, I'm going to tell her when I 1135 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:38,280 best. But in hindsight, because of the way it looked, the 1136 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,540 optics of it, I would go back and say right in the promise room, tell her 1137 01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:47,400 then. Because I didn't believe going into the promise room as much as I, and 1138 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,400 I'll give you something that no one knew, like I turned 60. 1139 01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:53,010 down in Whistler. So I was 59. 1140 01:06:53,290 --> 01:06:55,250 I did not want to say 60. I was like, that sounds old. 1141 01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:57,550 59 sounds better. 1142 01:06:57,810 --> 01:07:00,090 I'm not fucking saying 60. And they were like, you're 60. 1143 01:07:00,470 --> 01:07:05,330 And one of the things that I have struggled with, part of the reason I 1144 01:07:05,330 --> 01:07:09,070 on the show is because I've never believed that age is a factor. 1145 01:07:09,330 --> 01:07:13,190 And for me, I was age conscious because when people ask me my age, I'm like, how 1146 01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:14,890 old do I look? 40. You're right. You're right. 1147 01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:16,670 40? Okay, we're lying. 1148 01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:19,070 Please. Watch yourself now. Don't make me come for you. 1149 01:07:19,970 --> 01:07:25,070 But so I just felt like that was something that used to always bother me. 1150 01:07:25,070 --> 01:07:29,310 like one of the things when you just asked me, yes, if I had to do it all 1151 01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:33,330 again, I would definitely do it different. But the stubborn side of me 1152 01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:36,470 no, I'm going to tell her when I tell her. And that didn't have to do with 1153 01:07:36,830 --> 01:07:37,830 But so, yeah. 1154 01:07:38,010 --> 01:07:40,890 OK, I'm going to say, OK, I'm glad we got that. 1155 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,240 Question for both Jorge and Vanell, but I want to start with you, Vanell. With 1156 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,540 this show being about does age really matter when it comes to love, Vanell, 1157 01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:54,400 time we spoke with you and talked about your breakup with Jorge, you were pretty 1158 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,300 strong by saying, actually, I think our age difference ended up playing a role 1159 01:07:58,300 --> 01:07:59,980 in our relationship ending. 1160 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,000 As you sit here today after seeing Jorge, do you still feel that way? 1161 01:08:04,570 --> 01:08:05,830 I would say so, yeah. 1162 01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:10,550 Okay. But also a lot of the things that played a role in us not working out was 1163 01:08:10,550 --> 01:08:11,650 just our communication. 1164 01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:14,710 What part of the age difference played a role in the breakup? 1165 01:08:15,570 --> 01:08:19,649 I would say like what I said earlier, the part of when I felt like he was like 1166 01:08:19,649 --> 01:08:22,630 talking at me or maybe the way we were understanding each other. 1167 01:08:22,850 --> 01:08:24,350 Okay. So, yeah. 1168 01:08:25,529 --> 01:08:27,210 Okay. Jorge, how do you feel about that? 1169 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,620 I don't think that's an age thing. I think that's, once again, a 1170 01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:36,620 style. And you've asked me before, you asked me if that has come up before, and 1171 01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:38,979 I think that it's the nature of my profession. 1172 01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:44,300 Sometimes I can be interrogating folks or cross -examining, so I have to always 1173 01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:45,238 check that. 1174 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,260 And so if ever my partner says, well, I don't feel like you're talking to me, I 1175 01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:52,120 feel like you're talking at me, then that means I have to pivot and change 1176 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,279 way I do it so that they don't feel that way. One of the things I share with 1177 01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:56,279 Vanell is... 1178 01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:59,850 If I had to do it all over again, it should have been a stop and say, okay, 1179 01:08:59,850 --> 01:09:04,350 works for you communication -wise and what works for me? Because me, I'm going 1180 01:09:04,350 --> 01:09:08,750 to be defensive if you come at me like that and what works for you so that we 1181 01:09:08,750 --> 01:09:12,390 understand that. And I think it would have made it a little bit more easy. So 1182 01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:16,410 she felt that way, I think that any time you're dealing in a relationship as a 1183 01:09:16,410 --> 01:09:17,410 man with a woman. 1184 01:09:17,710 --> 01:09:20,649 You have to be open to their feelings, and their feelings are 100%. There's no, 1185 01:09:20,770 --> 01:09:23,330 you can't say, oh, your feelings aren't valid. No, your feelings are always 1186 01:09:23,330 --> 01:09:28,189 valid. So then if she says, well, I feel like you're talking at me, that wasn't 1187 01:09:28,189 --> 01:09:32,010 said in Vancouver, but she said that's how she felt later. But if you tell me I 1188 01:09:32,010 --> 01:09:34,870 feel like you're talking at me, well, then I'm going to stop and pivot and 1189 01:09:34,930 --> 01:09:39,109 okay, my bad. Let me address you a different way. Is it hard to hear that 1190 01:09:39,109 --> 01:09:40,930 feels that your age played a role in it? 1191 01:09:41,210 --> 01:09:43,109 No, because I don't think it did, and I'm not worried about that. 1192 01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:45,729 Vanell loves me, man. What you saying? 1193 01:09:47,350 --> 01:09:51,090 Well, before we move on, do either of you have anything you want to say to one 1194 01:09:51,090 --> 01:09:56,590 another? I say that Vanell, you know that our connection is dope and deep, 1195 01:09:56,590 --> 01:10:00,610 we have very strong feelings for each other, and I'm never going to say never 1196 01:10:00,610 --> 01:10:02,310 because you never know what might happen. 1197 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,560 And you and I know just every time we even be in the hallway, we're like, 1198 01:10:05,660 --> 01:10:06,660 you know. 1199 01:10:06,820 --> 01:10:08,540 So I'll leave that open. 1200 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,880 I'll leave that as a chapter open and that as a book open. But you know my 1201 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,240 feeling is extremely strong for you. And you know our connection is on another 1202 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,240 level. 1203 01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:23,440 It is hot in here, you know. 1204 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,140 Yeah, it's pretty hot. 1205 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,600 Do you need a fan? I got you, baby girl. 1206 01:10:27,820 --> 01:10:29,420 Oh, my God, no. I'm good. 1207 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,420 I mean, I would say I agree with. 1208 01:10:32,650 --> 01:10:35,930 you know, what you said, like, you know, the connections I have for you are 1209 01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:40,670 really real and deep and connection like that doesn't just, you know, go away 1210 01:10:40,670 --> 01:10:44,810 that fast, that quickly. Like I literally, in my mind, you were 1211 01:10:44,810 --> 01:10:47,130 my husband, like there is nothing else, you know? 1212 01:10:47,410 --> 01:10:49,890 Um, but yeah, I don't, I don't know. 1213 01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:53,010 Well, if you ask her out on a date, just let us know. 1214 01:10:54,450 --> 01:10:58,290 I'll text you. I'll text you. But, you know, one thing I just said to her, I 1215 01:10:58,290 --> 01:11:01,810 don't want to belabor the point, but I said to her that I think a lot of times 1216 01:11:01,810 --> 01:11:07,310 people act as being in love is a right, and it's not. It's a privilege because 1217 01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:10,230 we're three -quarters of the world are lonely. So whenever you get the 1218 01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:14,350 opportunity to have a deep connection with someone, you've got to make sure 1219 01:11:14,350 --> 01:11:15,770 you exhaust every possibility. 1220 01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:23,770 Due to Derek's incredible skin care routine, he and Pfeiffer 1221 01:11:23,770 --> 01:11:28,310 may not have looked it, but they were, in fact, 20 years apart in age. While 1222 01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:31,430 they ended the journey with supportive parents and a commitment of staying 1223 01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:34,750 together, life off camera pulled them in different directions. 1224 01:11:35,130 --> 01:11:39,150 Unfortunately, Pfeiffer is celebrating her birthday in Japan and is sad to not 1225 01:11:39,150 --> 01:11:42,570 be here. But, Derek, can you explain what happened post -filming? 1226 01:11:42,810 --> 01:11:46,290 Yeah, I think some of the things that showed up. 1227 01:11:46,650 --> 01:11:51,730 while filming um some of the questions she had or some of the concerns about 1228 01:11:51,730 --> 01:11:57,010 moving you know across the country and giving up her life friends and all that 1229 01:11:57,010 --> 01:12:02,310 think honestly i mean looking at it now i think that just it was just too big it 1230 01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:07,450 was too much when she got back to her normal life outside of the bubble you 1231 01:12:07,450 --> 01:12:10,710 i think that there was probably some influences there you know what do you 1232 01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:17,270 by that i well obviously there's an age gap so her friends are probably, for the 1233 01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:23,230 most part, much younger than me, right? And probably not married, probably 1234 01:12:23,230 --> 01:12:29,910 single. So rather, you know, the conversations she's having are 1235 01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:32,530 little bit of them being selfish because they don't want to lose their friend. 1236 01:12:32,690 --> 01:12:37,450 And it's probably something that they haven't, you know, experienced yet. 1237 01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:43,150 And I get it, like, looking at it like, wow, you went away and you found this 1238 01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:44,210 guy and you're going to pick up him. 1239 01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:50,950 move your entire life for just him that doesn't make any sense that's crazy and 1240 01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:56,950 so I understand where she probably was influenced and I was concerned about it 1241 01:12:56,950 --> 01:13:01,890 you know and that was one of the things when we talked in Vancouver I tried to 1242 01:13:01,890 --> 01:13:07,330 address it as much as possible but there was also this Pfeiffer was a bit 1243 01:13:07,330 --> 01:13:11,110 reserved with it like she just was like I want to be present in the moment I 1244 01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:16,180 don't want to think about that and for me It was like, well, I mean, we have to 1245 01:13:16,180 --> 01:13:21,520 think about it. Do you think Pfeiffer painted an accurate picture of what her 1246 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:26,660 life and lifestyle was back at home while you were dating? 1247 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,120 Sounds good. 1248 01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:31,300 Why are you laughing, Derek? 1249 01:13:31,660 --> 01:13:32,660 Oh, man. 1250 01:13:32,860 --> 01:13:34,620 To a certain degree. I think. 1251 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,080 What about to the degree that maybe she didn't? 1252 01:13:39,180 --> 01:13:41,760 So, yeah, I think that. 1253 01:13:42,220 --> 01:13:48,280 Her living with her roommates, probably, like, college campus, sorority girl 1254 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,760 style. I mean, I was going to ask you straight. Like, you told me offline. I 1255 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:57,000 would love to hear you tell the story about how you found out where she lived. 1256 01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:02,060 Wow. All right. So this is what it is. Let's go. After she came to Dallas, 1257 01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:04,680 obviously, we broke up a few weeks after that. 1258 01:14:05,060 --> 01:14:08,980 And, you know, we had a conversation. She sent me a message. I left some 1259 01:14:08,980 --> 01:14:11,000 there. So can you mail them to me? 1260 01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:15,550 and i'm like yeah and the way i am she sent the message and i was like packed 1261 01:14:15,550 --> 01:14:20,230 them up within 15 minutes i'm like whatever i don't want to think about it 1262 01:14:20,230 --> 01:14:26,270 looked at her address and you know how you can satellite look in probably 1263 01:14:28,460 --> 01:14:29,860 I'm not psychotic at all. 1264 01:14:30,140 --> 01:14:33,120 It just happened. I was just, you know, just curious. 1265 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,480 There's nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with being a little bit intrusive. 1266 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:45,460 I like looking at it. It's like, I always do. Yeah. So I, um, I zoomed in 1267 01:14:45,460 --> 01:14:51,600 was like fraternity and sorority houses, like on the same block. And then I was 1268 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,900 able to piece together like, Oh, she did say she lived with, you know, more than 1269 01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:57,900 a normal. 1270 01:14:57,930 --> 01:15:01,710 Amount of roommates. Okay. Right. So like, okay. So she probably lived in a 1271 01:15:01,710 --> 01:15:05,670 sorority house and yeah. Looking at it, I'm like, well shit. Like that's 1272 01:15:05,670 --> 01:15:07,630 something that I probably needed to know. Yeah. 1273 01:15:08,190 --> 01:15:11,630 Because I can tailor as much as I can. 1274 01:15:12,090 --> 01:15:16,370 I can tailor my conversation to like, this is probably what you're going to 1275 01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:18,110 Like this is going to seem insane. 1276 01:15:18,690 --> 01:15:24,890 Like you're basically still living like a college life, you know? And now you're 1277 01:15:24,890 --> 01:15:26,570 essentially, you're going to go. 1278 01:15:27,210 --> 01:15:30,230 Be with a man that's taking care of a five -year -old. 1279 01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:32,250 That's a lot. 1280 01:15:32,430 --> 01:15:35,430 Do you know if she's still in school or just living that lifestyle? 1281 01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:40,370 I don't think – you can't live in a sorority house if you're not still in 1282 01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:43,690 school. So in Pfeiffer's defense, she's not living in a sorority house. I think 1283 01:15:43,690 --> 01:15:47,090 she just has maybe roommates that were friends from a sorority. 1284 01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:50,430 But I don't think she's still in school. She's graduating. 1285 01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:53,110 Yeah, she's not still in school. I know that. 1286 01:15:53,770 --> 01:15:56,110 And were there ever conversations about you? 1287 01:15:56,700 --> 01:16:01,540 going to stay with her and visit her in seattle yeah um when when she was in 1288 01:16:01,540 --> 01:16:06,760 dallas we talked about me coming and visiting and she just you know was 1289 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,360 you know adamant like hey i'd rather just get like a hotel i mean i'd stay 1290 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:16,340 her and which i wasn't i mean i'm 40 43 at the time 44 i'm like yeah i mean i'm 1291 01:16:16,340 --> 01:16:20,800 a grown man like i'm not gonna burden your you know your roommates I get it I 1292 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,020 want to be totally respectful of their space as well so I'll make sure they 1293 01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:29,300 good and I'll get a place so she had you know some reservations I probably 1294 01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:34,460 should have asked deeper questions then like okay I get it and I'll definitely 1295 01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:39,640 make sure that that's taken care of and everyone's um everyone's uh happy with 1296 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:44,300 you know and I don't want to inconvenience them but the fact that 1297 01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:48,510 randomly bringing it up like is there something else that you're thinking 1298 01:16:48,510 --> 01:16:54,110 deeper, and I feel like that was just, you know, a part of it, like, the list 1299 01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:57,490 things that were probably just racing through our minds. How long did you guys 1300 01:16:57,490 --> 01:16:58,750 date for post -filming? 1301 01:16:59,950 --> 01:17:04,270 A month. A month. It was a month, okay. Yeah, so, yeah, she came to Dallas about 1302 01:17:04,270 --> 01:17:08,610 a week and a half later for my birthday, and, I mean, things were great, you 1303 01:17:08,610 --> 01:17:14,050 know. We had a great time with some of my friends and family, and she met my 1304 01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:17,430 and my... My mom's husband as well. Did she ever have a chance to meet your 1305 01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:18,349 kids? 1306 01:17:18,350 --> 01:17:24,650 No, no. For me, the way I was looking at the next three months, you know, even 1307 01:17:24,650 --> 01:17:28,890 some of my friends, I mean, my friends had questions too. Like, I don't want to 1308 01:17:28,890 --> 01:17:32,790 just sound like it's totally on Pfeiffer. Like, it was definitely 1309 01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:36,830 as to how this looks. And I just told them, like, let's just see what the next 1310 01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:39,190 three months looks like. Because that was living in a bubble. 1311 01:17:39,410 --> 01:17:44,270 Now we live across the country. And so this is a whole new phase of dating. 1312 01:17:44,650 --> 01:17:48,250 That we're about to go through and experience and see, you know, do we like 1313 01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:52,210 talking on the phone? Do we like FaceTime? Like all those things, do we 1314 01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:56,110 connected that way? Or are we just seeing each other once a month? Or, you 1315 01:17:56,150 --> 01:18:02,550 like it was a lot that was unanswered that I wanted to see before ever going 1316 01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:07,470 down that path. And for me, meeting my kids, I always allow the mothers first. 1317 01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:10,510 Like, hey, we'll sit down and have a conversation with the person I'm dating. 1318 01:18:10,930 --> 01:18:12,150 Just out of respect for you. 1319 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:18,560 And that's always worked. I haven't had people meet. My oldest has met, you 1320 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:23,180 know, two girlfriends, Dominic. You know, he hasn't. He's met one. And so 1321 01:18:23,180 --> 01:18:27,940 extremely protective of that because, as Andrew said earlier, I don't want to 1322 01:18:27,940 --> 01:18:33,600 set, you know, that culture like in our household that, yeah, dad's with this 1323 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,340 lady and, okay, she's gone and here's another one. 1324 01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:40,440 During filming when you met her, 1325 01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:46,240 parents, she seemed visibly nervous. She was very uncomfortable, very anxious. 1326 01:18:46,740 --> 01:18:50,800 You, you know, tried to scoot her close to you, console her. She actually 1327 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,960 scooted further away from you. Get away from me, bro. 1328 01:18:54,340 --> 01:18:59,220 Get away from me. Yeah. What were your feelings then and watching it back? Are 1329 01:18:59,220 --> 01:19:00,500 they the same or have they changed? 1330 01:19:01,300 --> 01:19:04,860 Well, I mean, watching it back because I was there with her and I know what the 1331 01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:08,040 night before looked like and how nervous she was. 1332 01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:13,400 I always try to take into consideration my age, and I know that I'm feeling, 1333 01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:18,960 okay, she's 23 years old, right? And her relationship with her parents is a lot 1334 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:24,220 different than my relationship with my parents, right? So I understand the 1335 01:19:24,220 --> 01:19:28,020 concerns. You're still getting to know me and trying to have that conversation, 1336 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:33,320 and you may have unanswered things about just your life that you may not have 1337 01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:37,680 talked to your parents about at that age, right? So you're going to present 1338 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:38,680 new relationship. 1339 01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:44,020 How are my parents going to receive it? What are they going to say to him? 1340 01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:49,060 And how is it going to influence me? Because I think at that age, you're 1341 01:19:49,060 --> 01:19:53,240 probably still, depending on the circumstance you're growing up, you're 1342 01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:57,780 still pretty connected and influenced by your parents to a certain degree. 1343 01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,320 So I think that she may have had some concerns there. 1344 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,080 Every relationship that ends doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't beneficial to 1345 01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,720 or that we couldn't learn something from it. And I thought it was really 1346 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,000 interesting watching it back. 1347 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:14,120 Pfeiffer referenced multiple times previous relationships and toxic 1348 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,960 From what we've learned of you, Derek, you seem like a pretty solid stand -up 1349 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,060 guy. Thank you. 1350 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,900 And I'm just curious, as you reflect on a relationship that didn't work out, 1351 01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:27,500 what role do you feel like Pfeiffer played in your life and what did you 1352 01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:28,500 from that relationship? 1353 01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:34,690 Right. I completely agree. I think that, as Jorge said, every relationship, it's 1354 01:20:34,690 --> 01:20:36,950 not that it's a bad relationship, it's a learning experience. 1355 01:20:37,550 --> 01:20:42,330 I'm so grateful and appreciative for that relationship. I have so much 1356 01:20:42,330 --> 01:20:47,350 for Pfeiffer. She's aged beyond her years. And that's probably the only time 1357 01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:51,330 can say honestly in my life that I've had a breakup that wasn't toxic. 1358 01:20:51,650 --> 01:20:55,710 Like, it wasn't a problem. It was understanding on my part. 1359 01:20:56,010 --> 01:21:00,230 I've always felt that her heart is pure, and I know that it is. So I don't think 1360 01:21:00,230 --> 01:21:03,690 that this was something – it didn't come from a place of, like, she was hiding 1361 01:21:03,690 --> 01:21:07,330 it. It was like, this is just the way it is. She can't deal with it anymore. 1362 01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:13,670 And knowing her heart, I wasn't going to push her in any direction. I just 1363 01:21:13,670 --> 01:21:18,830 wanted to be respectful of that. But our relationship, like, I learned so much 1364 01:21:18,830 --> 01:21:21,010 as far as being open. 1365 01:21:21,290 --> 01:21:23,830 I don't think that I've been open in probably – 1366 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,960 like that probably like a decade before. 1367 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:34,520 And, you know, I came into the experience wanting to be open to finding 1368 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:39,100 person and knowing that it may not look like, you know, what I typically date 1369 01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:40,860 because obviously that wasn't working. 1370 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:47,820 So she was so different for me, you know, and I saw like I'm really 1371 01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:51,940 big on a person's heart and their intentions and they were just so pure. 1372 01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:57,330 You know, our conversations, if there was something that I, that she wasn't 1373 01:21:57,330 --> 01:22:01,470 comfortable with, she had, she had one time when we had, it was off camera, the 1374 01:22:01,470 --> 01:22:06,030 conversation about her moving when she was extremely uncomfortable about it. 1375 01:22:06,030 --> 01:22:07,450 it was before the dinner with you guys. 1376 01:22:08,050 --> 01:22:13,110 We had a really rough go for about two or three hours, which was crazy because 1377 01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:14,650 it was like smooth sailing. 1378 01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:17,170 Guys like almost made fun of us because it was like. 1379 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,440 Y 'all are living in this bubble, inside of a bubble, like you don't have any 1380 01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:24,480 problems. So it was getting close to the end and now we have this problem and 1381 01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:29,420 I'm sitting in the bathroom for like 45 minutes and she's in the other room and 1382 01:22:29,420 --> 01:22:31,560 we're not talking and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? 1383 01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:36,720 You know, and then I go to the weight room and Logan sees me and he's like... 1384 01:22:37,180 --> 01:22:39,680 He's like halfway happy that I actually have a problem. He's like, come on. 1385 01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:41,660 You got some problem. 1386 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:43,340 Like I'm like just sitting there. 1387 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,000 Trish was napping. 1388 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:49,240 Make a bed. 1389 01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:56,960 But my, I would say a good or a bad trait that I've had in the past when 1390 01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,220 happens, I'll shut down a little bit and it takes me some time and I'll walk 1391 01:23:01,220 --> 01:23:03,480 away. I was so proud of her, her maturity. 1392 01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,480 I came back into the apartment. She said, hey, can we sit down and talk? 1393 01:23:07,210 --> 01:23:10,610 And she was so vulnerable and open. She was like, look, I want to move to 1394 01:23:10,610 --> 01:23:12,790 Dallas. I'm going to move to Dallas. I'm just scared. 1395 01:23:13,310 --> 01:23:17,250 Like, that's what's going on. Yeah. And so, you know, that was such a powerful 1396 01:23:17,250 --> 01:23:22,270 moment for me to take. Like, damn, like, you know, at her age, she took control 1397 01:23:22,270 --> 01:23:25,990 of that situation. An area that I've been weak, she's able to help me get 1398 01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:29,710 through. I'm really curious. You guys clearly had a great connection. I think 1399 01:23:29,710 --> 01:23:31,210 the chemistry was off the charts. 1400 01:23:31,710 --> 01:23:35,330 Clearly, you know, you're talking about moments that Pfeiffer showed this 1401 01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:38,930 maturity that surprised you. And I think when, again, you're the older person, 1402 01:23:39,010 --> 01:23:42,150 you're trying not to like quiz the person about like how mature they are or 1403 01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:46,150 aren't. And yet Pfeiffer showed you these moments of maturity. And again, 1404 01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:50,290 is not like a rip on Pfeiffer, but I think it sounds like you came to learn 1405 01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:54,950 like once she got outside of this bubble and got back to her life, she maybe 1406 01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:58,730 realized that like, you know what, age is playing a role. 1407 01:23:59,130 --> 01:24:03,070 and why this relationship can't work out. I'm not ready for what Derek has or 1408 01:24:03,070 --> 01:24:04,070 his lifestyle. 1409 01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:08,430 Yeah, I agree. I think when you're in the bubble, I think she was completely 1410 01:24:08,430 --> 01:24:09,530 ingrained in the experience. 1411 01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:15,170 And even when I first brought up my kids, the night before, I was freaking 1412 01:24:15,170 --> 01:24:20,390 to talk about it. Because for me, I know the severity of it. That's so serious. 1413 01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:21,930 And she took it. 1414 01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:26,170 so easy so it was like maybe she was going with the flow because she hasn't 1415 01:24:26,170 --> 01:24:30,190 in that situation before right so it was like yeah it's cool we'll figure it out 1416 01:24:30,190 --> 01:24:35,490 yes it's cool but for me those steps were like monumental like I'm like this 1417 01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:42,210 huge and as far as if we can continue or you know we decide like this this does 1418 01:24:42,210 --> 01:24:47,350 not work for me then I was like so like I was grateful for the way that she took 1419 01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:52,120 like the things that are flawed about me or the responsibilities that I have and 1420 01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:57,180 all that in that moment. But I think getting back home, you know, she had 1421 01:24:57,180 --> 01:25:00,960 influences, and that's fair, right? She's 23 years old. You're going to be 1422 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,820 influenced by your circle that you're around. 1423 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:08,460 Are you more, less likely, or about the same, your willingness to date someone 1424 01:25:08,460 --> 01:25:09,460 younger than you? 1425 01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:12,660 No, I would say I'm about the same. Okay. 1426 01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:16,920 Let's say you meet someone, they're younger than you. I'm curious how, going 1427 01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,520 forward, will you protect yourself and your heart? 1428 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,560 from the same thing ending up. Because a lot of people have bad partners. 1429 01:25:23,740 --> 01:25:25,100 Pfeiffer talked about a bad ex. 1430 01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:29,220 And it wouldn't be surprising to me that you meet someone younger than you. And 1431 01:25:29,220 --> 01:25:30,700 they're like, oh, this Derek, he's a great guy. 1432 01:25:31,140 --> 01:25:33,700 You know, there's a lot of reasons why you seem appealing. 1433 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,880 But how will you protect yourself from meeting someone like Pfeiffer? Which 1434 01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,860 again, no disrespect, you know, talks about when she gets older, like you seem 1435 01:25:41,860 --> 01:25:46,800 like a great guy, but maybe just isn't in the place in her life to actually 1436 01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:47,800 you where you're at. 1437 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:54,440 I think having deeper conversations, like some of those things that I may 1438 01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:59,900 like touched on and whereas Pfeiffer was like, I don't really want to go there. 1439 01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:04,160 But I think that's a big part of it. Like, you know what? I'm going to have 1440 01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,460 make you uncomfortable right now because this is actually where I'm at in life. 1441 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:12,420 And not that you have to have the perfect response, but I need you to get 1442 01:26:12,420 --> 01:26:16,880 entire picture right and see how you and see what the response is and see what 1443 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:17,900 the outcome is from there. 1444 01:26:18,270 --> 01:26:22,550 And I think that's probably an area that I could say, you know, I can improve on 1445 01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:26,990 from that relationship. It's tough, yeah, because there is that moment where 1446 01:26:26,990 --> 01:26:31,830 guys were talking about moving, you know, and I've said this many times. As 1447 01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:35,830 gotten older, I realized that my 20s were me living up to the expectations I 1448 01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:37,470 when I was like a teenager, right? 1449 01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:40,930 And you're like, this is how I had planned. This is what I had planned. And 1450 01:26:40,930 --> 01:26:44,990 remember hearing Pfeiffer saying things like, I made this promise to myself. I 1451 01:26:44,990 --> 01:26:46,070 promised this to myself. 1452 01:26:46,700 --> 01:26:49,960 And you're on the other end being like, listen, we'll just figure it out as we 1453 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:55,100 go. Looking back, do you see that as a sign of maybe this kind of the gap 1454 01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:56,360 between your maturity levels? 1455 01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:01,500 Yes, I do. On the front end, when she explained that she moved away for 1456 01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:06,720 she went back home for a while and then moved again. So I took it or moved 1457 01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,740 across the country to go to finish up. 1458 01:27:08,970 --> 01:27:13,090 school in Seattle I took that as you know what she's had these experiences 1459 01:27:13,090 --> 01:27:18,030 kind of been on her own so she does understand that it can be rocky but you 1460 01:27:18,030 --> 01:27:22,630 still make it right and in that moment when she had that conversation I was 1461 01:27:22,630 --> 01:27:27,690 trying to get her to lean on her previous experiences right because I 1462 01:27:27,690 --> 01:27:31,690 I can't push mine on her and say hey is this going to be all right she's going 1463 01:27:31,690 --> 01:27:35,930 to be all right just trust me I was just you know trying to convey like Look, 1464 01:27:35,970 --> 01:27:39,110 you've been down this road before. Yes, it looks very different, but you've been 1465 01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:42,330 uncomfortable. And it doesn't mean that you can't grow and it doesn't mean that 1466 01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:44,590 we can't grow. What does your dating life look like today? 1467 01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:49,610 I'm single. I took some time. And I mean, like I said, I put a lot into 1468 01:27:49,670 --> 01:27:53,390 into the entire experience. It just took a lot for me to go through it. 1469 01:27:53,670 --> 01:28:00,550 And being that open for me is just not that easy to just turn around and do 1470 01:28:00,550 --> 01:28:02,710 again. So I would much rather. 1471 01:28:03,370 --> 01:28:09,090 Take my time, you know, and make sure that I'm ready so I can show up for a 1472 01:28:09,090 --> 01:28:13,890 person, you know, if I'm going to truly try today. OK, but are the DMs open? 1473 01:28:15,330 --> 01:28:17,390 The DMs are open. I'm open. 1474 01:28:17,610 --> 01:28:23,530 Was there any moment where you looked back at maybe some of the other women 1475 01:28:23,530 --> 01:28:26,890 were at the retreat and thought maybe I should like rekindle with someone else? 1476 01:28:26,910 --> 01:28:30,330 Maybe I should follow up with the connection that I had that I didn't see 1477 01:28:30,330 --> 01:28:31,330 the way through? 1478 01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,880 Everyone's clearing their throats. 1479 01:28:36,460 --> 01:28:37,460 What? 1480 01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:39,480 I didn't do anything. 1481 01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,160 You called. 1482 01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:42,840 Should I ask y 'all? 1483 01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,520 I was clearing my throat. 1484 01:28:46,900 --> 01:28:48,660 I didn't think Jorge was going to start calling. 1485 01:28:49,180 --> 01:28:54,460 I cleared my throat. And first of all, Derek is just a great guy. 1486 01:28:55,340 --> 01:28:56,340 Now. 1487 01:28:56,780 --> 01:28:58,560 Now. Like that? 1488 01:28:58,940 --> 01:28:59,940 You're outstanding. 1489 01:29:00,340 --> 01:29:04,180 I mean, if you're broken up with someone, you're certainly allowed to 1490 01:29:04,180 --> 01:29:05,680 connections. All right. 1491 01:29:06,020 --> 01:29:08,460 Who's the connection? We all want to know. He doesn't have. 1492 01:29:09,020 --> 01:29:11,720 Can we let Derek answer? Yeah. 1493 01:29:11,940 --> 01:29:15,480 Whose DMs was DMU? What was that? Did I have any previous connections? 1494 01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:16,840 Well, I just was curious. 1495 01:29:16,980 --> 01:29:18,600 Maybe circle back. 1496 01:29:18,860 --> 01:29:23,800 From the show? No. From the show. I mean, like in Whistler. In Whistler, did 1497 01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:24,800 develop any? 1498 01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:29,090 I didn't develop any connections with Whistler. Is there anyone from the show 1499 01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:30,090 that you went on? 1500 01:29:30,670 --> 01:29:31,970 This is crazy. 1501 01:29:33,890 --> 01:29:35,310 It's not a crime, by the way. 1502 01:29:37,330 --> 01:29:40,250 Everyone loves to keep in touch. 1503 01:29:40,770 --> 01:29:42,290 Yeah, exactly. 1504 01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:47,830 I think everyone chats in the group chat. Sometimes we text each other. No 1505 01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:48,830 kept in touch with me. 1506 01:29:49,070 --> 01:29:50,070 But I would, you guys. 1507 01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:51,470 Exactly. 1508 01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:54,200 You can play defense. 1509 01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,240 Before we move on, obviously, with Pfeiffer not being here, it seems like 1510 01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:02,220 got to know Pfeiffer a little bit. Is there anything we need to say or offer 1511 01:30:02,220 --> 01:30:04,260 Pfeiffer's behalf before we move on? 1512 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:09,280 I mean, I think Pfeiffer is an amazing girl. I think my heart was, oh, it was a 1513 01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:13,520 heartthrob seeing their story. Like, I think that they're both so well -spoken 1514 01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:14,379 and articulate. 1515 01:30:14,380 --> 01:30:17,020 And I don't know, when I see it, I'm like, oh, my gosh. 1516 01:30:17,530 --> 01:30:21,870 We were rooting for you. But I honestly do really resonate with Pfeiffer's 1517 01:30:21,870 --> 01:30:25,470 experience back home because I think something people may not think about is 1518 01:30:25,470 --> 01:30:30,090 that it's an incredibly unrelatable experience to come home and say that you 1519 01:30:30,090 --> 01:30:34,250 this guy who lives in another state and he has two kids and he's older than me 1520 01:30:34,250 --> 01:30:35,009 and whatever. 1521 01:30:35,010 --> 01:30:39,470 And I am somebody who also takes my friend's opinions very seriously. 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Because like on one 1531 01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,900 side, I can't totally get what Libby's saying, but it's kind of like, all 1532 01:31:17,900 --> 01:31:21,600 man, I'm dating someone younger. I want to know that she can like not be 1533 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,780 listening to people. Like I want her to do what she wants to do. How did you 1534 01:31:24,780 --> 01:31:29,000 guys strike that balance between like wanting to respect her friendships, but 1535 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,160 the same time want to make sure that she was making decisions for herself and 1536 01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:33,340 feeling like that was happening? 1537 01:31:33,790 --> 01:31:38,270 Well, I mean, if you watch the show, Libby's very outspoken. You know, I 1538 01:31:38,270 --> 01:31:42,850 think she's someone that lets, you know, people's opinions get to her so much. 1539 01:31:42,910 --> 01:31:48,610 And I met Nina and them again. Like, we've hung out since then. 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Just visit ahs .com slash vilefiles to sign 1584 01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:55,900 See ahs .com slash contracts for coverage details, including service 1585 01:34:55,980 --> 01:34:57,380 limitations, and exclusions. 1586 01:34:58,500 --> 01:35:01,940 And we're back to the Age of Attraction Season 1 reunion. 1587 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,980 And it's time to get into Teresa and John. 1588 01:35:06,380 --> 01:35:12,900 Teresa and John, also known as Age of Attraction's Prince Harry and Meghan 1589 01:35:12,900 --> 01:35:17,040 Markle, minus the royal drama, were immediately smitten with each other. 1590 01:35:17,260 --> 01:35:22,440 But could their fairy tale romance survive a 27 -year age gap? And Teresa's 1591 01:35:22,440 --> 01:35:23,440 of outside judgment? 1592 01:35:23,940 --> 01:35:27,360 Let's pop the bubble and ask. Well, I want to start with you, Teresa. 1593 01:35:27,870 --> 01:35:32,590 Obviously, I think I speak for everyone when we were all rooting for you, as 1594 01:35:32,590 --> 01:35:34,790 Tyra Banks famously said. 1595 01:35:35,010 --> 01:35:39,770 The audience loves you guys. I think we're all very sad and heartbroken to 1596 01:35:39,770 --> 01:35:40,950 that you guys aren't together. 1597 01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:46,730 Following that very beautiful ceremony at the top of the mountain, just walk us 1598 01:35:46,730 --> 01:35:48,990 through kind of like what happened next in your relationship. 1599 01:35:49,690 --> 01:35:55,570 So, yeah, we left Vancouver and we went to Chicago. He came to my... 1600 01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:00,900 hometown, met a couple of my friends, stayed with me for a couple of days. We 1601 01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:05,280 had a great time. There were, you know, no issues. Everything was great. It was 1602 01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:06,500 very sad to see him leave. 1603 01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:11,140 And then we went and we met up in New York a couple of weeks later. 1604 01:36:11,620 --> 01:36:17,040 And that was sort of like the first time that we really... You went to Naples 1605 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,540 first. Oh, you're right. Sorry, my bad. Yeah, we spent Fourth of July in 1606 01:36:20,540 --> 01:36:23,440 Florida. Again, met a couple of my friends. 1607 01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:25,120 Everything was great. 1608 01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:27,380 He came more or less to me. 1609 01:36:28,860 --> 01:36:31,600 And yeah, we had a great time. Everything was wonderful. 1610 01:36:31,860 --> 01:36:33,320 No cracks in anything. 1611 01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:34,640 And then we went to New York. 1612 01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:40,820 And it was then that things really started to weigh on me, I guess. And 1613 01:36:40,820 --> 01:36:42,420 were some outside influences. 1614 01:36:43,620 --> 01:36:48,820 One, the show had kind of broken with the Daily Mail. And there were some 1615 01:36:48,820 --> 01:36:51,740 negative things. And I started getting anxious. 1616 01:36:53,210 --> 01:37:00,090 The other thing was we went to get drinks with his sister and another one 1617 01:37:00,090 --> 01:37:06,350 cast members. And they really made me feel very uncomfortable about my age. 1618 01:37:07,290 --> 01:37:08,850 God, I tend to get emotional. 1619 01:37:09,970 --> 01:37:13,210 Who made you feel uncomfortable? His sister and the other cast member? 1620 01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:14,510 Yeah. 1621 01:37:14,670 --> 01:37:21,270 Yeah, I just felt like they were really sort of like focusing on their 1622 01:37:21,270 --> 01:37:22,270 ages. 1623 01:37:23,210 --> 01:37:26,470 I felt really kind of like left out of conversations. 1624 01:37:27,190 --> 01:37:32,530 It almost felt like purposeful in some ways that like they were really trying 1625 01:37:32,530 --> 01:37:34,470 like make me feel old. 1626 01:37:35,110 --> 01:37:41,950 And I tried to keep my cool and I just couldn't handle it. So 1627 01:37:41,950 --> 01:37:45,470 we were supposed to go out to dinner and I actually like felt sick. 1628 01:37:45,690 --> 01:37:51,050 So I went back to the hotel and that was when I really like broke down. 1629 01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:57,510 I had texted John and told him, you know, I was really upset and everything. 1630 01:37:57,650 --> 01:38:02,830 And, you know, his initial response was, you know, very supportive and that we 1631 01:38:02,830 --> 01:38:07,250 were going to talk when he got back. And I just kind of tumbleweeded in my 1632 01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:13,630 feelings. And I just couldn't get my head back to where it was before. 1633 01:38:14,150 --> 01:38:18,690 And the next morning, he and I tried to have a conversation and I tried to. 1634 01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:22,700 You know, I was very emotional and tried to express what was going on inside of 1635 01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:27,320 me. And I just didn't feel like John could give me the support that I needed. 1636 01:38:27,380 --> 01:38:31,940 Like, it was, and no offense, but, like, he just didn't have any words. And I 1637 01:38:31,940 --> 01:38:36,620 was, like, sitting there just, like, trying to explain where I was at. And it 1638 01:38:36,620 --> 01:38:37,620 was, like, silence. 1639 01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,880 Do you remember some of the things you were trying to explain? 1640 01:38:41,530 --> 01:38:44,530 I know how you were trying to explain it. Yeah, I mean, I was basically 1641 01:38:44,530 --> 01:38:48,450 what had happened the night before, and I was saying, you know, like, this is 1642 01:38:48,450 --> 01:38:50,170 just too hard. 1643 01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:55,530 You know, I was just dying for some support, some, like, reassurance of some 1644 01:38:55,530 --> 01:39:00,530 sort, and I didn't get any. And so I was like, well, you have nothing to say, so 1645 01:39:00,530 --> 01:39:05,750 I'm going to go. And I went for, like, a walk around Manhattan, and then he left 1646 01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:10,730 and went to his sister's, and that was, like, the first really bad. 1647 01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:12,240 part of the breakup. 1648 01:39:13,540 --> 01:39:16,940 I'm sure. I mean, I'd love to hear your point of view of that story. It was spot 1649 01:39:16,940 --> 01:39:17,940 on. 1650 01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:19,400 That's exactly what happened. 1651 01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:21,940 Do you wish you would have handled it differently? 1652 01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:26,980 As you reflect back on that moment, what would you have done different if you 1653 01:39:26,980 --> 01:39:33,120 could? I think during this show, I said a million times and two million times, 1654 01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,360 the age isn't an issue unless we make it an issue. 1655 01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,160 Sure. And she... 1656 01:39:39,310 --> 01:39:45,970 And I'll speak for you, felt uncomfortable being in public and the 1657 01:39:45,970 --> 01:39:48,350 people looking at us differently. 1658 01:39:50,450 --> 01:39:51,870 That wasn't it at all. 1659 01:39:52,330 --> 01:39:56,850 I never felt like that. I never felt like walking down the street, like going 1660 01:39:56,850 --> 01:40:02,130 out to dinner, like our two trips prior that we had taken. And even like when we 1661 01:40:02,130 --> 01:40:06,350 first got to Manhattan, we went to lunch. I felt like very confident being 1662 01:40:06,350 --> 01:40:07,350 to you. 1663 01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,820 Did not feel like anybody was looking at us. I said that like a few times. I was 1664 01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:14,360 like, I don't think anybody like looks at us weird. Like I feel like we look 1665 01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:17,120 really good together. And I felt super confident in that. 1666 01:40:17,420 --> 01:40:23,820 I think what it really was, and we did have a conversation after that ceremony 1667 01:40:23,820 --> 01:40:28,360 on the mountaintop, that we were going to have these kinds of issues. And we 1668 01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:33,580 promised each other that we were going to like really be there and support each 1669 01:40:33,580 --> 01:40:39,930 other. And that was what I was looking for. And I just didn't know why that it 1670 01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:42,170 felt like it had changed for you. 1671 01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:48,970 And I, I don't know why, but I felt like the guy who I had seen in Naples who 1672 01:40:48,970 --> 01:40:52,630 like literally held me and was like, you tell me what you need. Tell me what you 1673 01:40:52,630 --> 01:40:57,530 need was gone. I didn't know where that went, but it wasn't there anymore. So 1674 01:40:57,530 --> 01:41:01,930 are you saying you felt like she was making the agent issue and that's why 1675 01:41:01,930 --> 01:41:02,930 had nothing to say? 1676 01:41:04,220 --> 01:41:05,220 That's what you told me. 1677 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:07,858 What do you mean? 1678 01:41:07,860 --> 01:41:11,040 That's what you said. You said you didn't feel comfortable with Catherine 1679 01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:17,440 sister, and you felt, and I'll spare some words, you didn't feel good with us 1680 01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:19,560 together. I went back to the hotel. 1681 01:41:19,780 --> 01:41:23,620 We went to sleep. I woke up the next morning, and you just said, I can't do 1682 01:41:23,620 --> 01:41:25,780 anymore. Well, I said a lot more than that. 1683 01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:28,460 I'll keep some details out. 1684 01:41:29,310 --> 01:41:33,370 I think you just went blank. I don't think you really even could hear me. 1685 01:41:33,670 --> 01:41:35,370 No, I heard you. But you didn't say anything. 1686 01:41:35,710 --> 01:41:36,970 I was processing everything. 1687 01:41:37,190 --> 01:41:39,950 You literally were quiet, and I was sitting there waiting for you to 1688 01:41:40,050 --> 01:41:41,170 and you had no response. 1689 01:41:41,450 --> 01:41:46,310 I think we discussed age so many times that you deserve to be comfortable with 1690 01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:50,470 who you're with, and I deserve the person I'm with to be comfortable with 1691 01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:56,850 I think it was just going out in public more often, and each time we got 1692 01:41:56,850 --> 01:42:01,260 together. It was the question, and Naples was fun, Chicago was perfect, New 1693 01:42:01,260 --> 01:42:05,140 was perfect the first half, and you deserve to be with someone you're 100 % 1694 01:42:05,140 --> 01:42:07,180 comfortable in your skin with. 1695 01:42:07,580 --> 01:42:12,980 I know that, and I was comfortable with you. I was asking for what it was that 1696 01:42:12,980 --> 01:42:14,160 we had promised to each other. 1697 01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:19,360 What I feel like I just heard was you said that age wouldn't be a factor 1698 01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,320 the two of you made it a factor. 1699 01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:26,170 And then I'm hearing that at dinner you're sitting with this castmate and 1700 01:42:26,170 --> 01:42:28,690 sister kind of making age a factor. 1701 01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:33,330 I mean, she deserves to feel, you know, I'm sorry, and I don't know what my 1702 01:42:33,330 --> 01:42:36,690 sister was hinting at. I don't know what Catherine was hinting at. That's how 1703 01:42:36,690 --> 01:42:37,690 you felt. 1704 01:42:37,970 --> 01:42:39,830 Unfortunately, it's yours and I's relationship. 1705 01:42:40,210 --> 01:42:43,250 So it doesn't matter what my sister thinks. It doesn't matter what Catherine 1706 01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:44,250 thinks. 1707 01:42:44,770 --> 01:42:47,810 Well, interesting enough, let's just, for the... 1708 01:42:48,140 --> 01:42:52,540 take of assumption, assume that maybe Teresa was projecting or reading it a 1709 01:42:52,540 --> 01:42:53,539 certain way, whatever. 1710 01:42:53,540 --> 01:42:54,720 But that's how she felt. 1711 01:42:55,200 --> 01:43:00,980 And what I'm hearing from Teresa is that she needed her man, her partner, to 1712 01:43:00,980 --> 01:43:05,900 hear her out, validate her, talk her through it. And I'm almost hearing from 1713 01:43:05,900 --> 01:43:10,360 is it's like, I'm done talking about our age and I got nothing more to say. 1714 01:43:10,620 --> 01:43:12,320 And you kind of shut down. 1715 01:43:12,540 --> 01:43:15,680 You know, it's like it's one thing to date in a bubble, but you guys are 1716 01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:16,680 of a bubble. 1717 01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,420 And you were going to face some certain realities. 1718 01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:24,420 And Teresa was trying to communicate to you, hey, I need this from you. I need 1719 01:43:24,420 --> 01:43:25,420 to talk to you. 1720 01:43:25,580 --> 01:43:27,820 And it didn't seem like you were having it. 1721 01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:33,100 I think the beauty of a relationship is two people that pick each other every 1722 01:43:33,100 --> 01:43:36,680 day. And they go through those fights. And you're waking up next to the person. 1723 01:43:36,820 --> 01:43:38,600 Oh, they're picking me. I'm picking them. 1724 01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,500 And I guess we got to a point where we just didn't pick each other. And was 1725 01:43:42,500 --> 01:43:44,000 me? Was that us? Was that her? 1726 01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:45,800 It didn't work out. 1727 01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:51,620 I think, yeah, I think I have to look at myself and maybe I was tired of the age 1728 01:43:51,620 --> 01:43:53,000 becoming a factor. 1729 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:54,500 How do we look in public? 1730 01:43:54,740 --> 01:43:57,960 How do you feel? Literally, it was the first time it had become a factor. 1731 01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:05,180 Leah, you seem... I'm just curious. His story don't add up and she's telling her 1732 01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:06,420 truth, which is very interesting. 1733 01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:11,240 Why is my story not add up? For what she's saying, for her experience, 1734 01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,480 you're downplaying everything that she's saying. 1735 01:44:13,930 --> 01:44:16,570 And I'm just trying to understand your side because you're like, that didn't 1736 01:44:16,570 --> 01:44:21,070 happen. But she's literally saying how she was feeling at the time. And I'm 1737 01:44:21,070 --> 01:44:22,610 trying to, it's just so interesting. 1738 01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:25,570 I don't think he's downplaying it at all. I think he's taking accountability 1739 01:44:25,570 --> 01:44:26,389 it. I don't understand. 1740 01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:31,630 I mean, to me, if he has a feeling, I can understand he, you know, the age 1741 01:44:31,630 --> 01:44:35,070 factor. He may have gotten warm with it. I don't get it in their relationship 1742 01:44:35,070 --> 01:44:36,730 because I think that they had a beautiful relationship. 1743 01:44:37,110 --> 01:44:40,930 But I don't think that he's ducking and dodging anything. I think he's talking 1744 01:44:40,930 --> 01:44:41,930 about it straight up. 1745 01:44:42,190 --> 01:44:45,750 Yeah, I mean, I think he's acknowledging that things don't work out, but it 1746 01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:50,450 doesn't feel like he's acknowledging, I guess, this conversation, which is fine 1747 01:44:50,450 --> 01:44:55,250 if you don't want to, but it's just more, if you guys don't get back 1748 01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:57,010 we'll be sad. 1749 01:44:57,430 --> 01:45:01,490 But, you know, again, I hope that we all learn a little bit about ourselves and 1750 01:45:01,490 --> 01:45:02,409 our relationships. 1751 01:45:02,410 --> 01:45:07,590 And again, I think what I hope, maybe if you're open to it, regardless of what 1752 01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:13,030 the topic was, it sounds like age was the topic, but like, you're 1753 01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:15,210 that you just shut down emotionally. 1754 01:45:15,970 --> 01:45:19,190 And yeah, I totally agree with you. Every day you have to show up and you've 1755 01:45:19,190 --> 01:45:22,490 to choose each other, which is real, but it also can kind of be a cliche when 1756 01:45:22,490 --> 01:45:26,330 you're just saying it. But in this moment, it sounds like you didn't show 1757 01:45:26,330 --> 01:45:31,310 Teresa. You didn't pick her in that moment by saying, how can I be there for 1758 01:45:31,310 --> 01:45:33,710 you? It sounds like you quit. 1759 01:45:34,290 --> 01:45:35,650 But maybe I'm wrong. That's a breakup, no? 1760 01:45:36,430 --> 01:45:39,010 So you broke up with me, essentially. 1761 01:45:39,250 --> 01:45:40,370 So you're acknowledging that moment. 1762 01:45:41,010 --> 01:45:47,190 Well, if you're saying that that's what it was, that your action was equal to a 1763 01:45:47,190 --> 01:45:48,890 breakup, well, what are you saying then? 1764 01:45:50,670 --> 01:45:51,670 What? 1765 01:45:53,170 --> 01:45:55,150 Was that ultimately what caused the breakup? 1766 01:45:55,410 --> 01:45:59,190 That was the initial big swipe, yeah. 1767 01:46:01,210 --> 01:46:04,210 I don't deserve to date someone. 1768 01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:10,360 who texts me, I feel disgusting with you. I never said that. 1769 01:46:11,620 --> 01:46:12,960 I never said that. 1770 01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,680 Did you take that as something about yourself? 1771 01:46:18,860 --> 01:46:21,160 She deserves to be comfortable with who you're with. 1772 01:46:21,740 --> 01:46:24,200 I said I was disgusted with myself. 1773 01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:28,580 That's terrible. I wouldn't want to date someone who feels like that. 1774 01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,880 I was looking for you to say, why do you feel this way? And like, let me help 1775 01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:38,620 you get through this. I mean, that's what relationships are about. Like you 1776 01:46:38,620 --> 01:46:42,460 pick each other every day, but it doesn't mean you don't have conflict. 1777 01:46:42,460 --> 01:46:45,880 if you have a conflict, does that mean, oh, I'm not picking you today? No, it 1778 01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:47,100 means you work through it. 1779 01:46:47,460 --> 01:46:48,860 We had conflict before that. 1780 01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,500 We had conflict with communication on the phone. And I said, tell me what you 1781 01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:54,520 need. And we talked over the phone. 1782 01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:58,630 What does that mean, he would disappear? 1783 01:46:58,970 --> 01:47:02,210 Like, I would be texting him, and I wouldn't hear back from him for hours. 1784 01:47:03,390 --> 01:47:04,390 Did your phone die? 1785 01:47:05,570 --> 01:47:09,690 Well, if that's what you're referring to, that one time that I was like, I am 1786 01:47:09,690 --> 01:47:14,010 not happy with the way that, like, I'm texting you, you're telling me, like, 1787 01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:18,570 you're right there, and yet I don't hear back from you. And I didn't know what 1788 01:47:18,570 --> 01:47:20,130 was going on. It's like a Friday night. 1789 01:47:21,150 --> 01:47:22,810 I mean, this is a lose -lose situation. 1790 01:47:25,260 --> 01:47:26,820 You brought it up. Yeah, 1791 01:47:28,060 --> 01:47:29,060 I'm not a big texter. 1792 01:47:29,620 --> 01:47:32,680 When we're in a long -distance relationship, we call, we FaceTime. 1793 01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:33,680 there's a problem, obviously. 1794 01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:39,420 But I think you deserve to be with someone you're comfortable with. So do 1795 01:47:39,480 --> 01:47:43,000 So does everybody on the earth. You text me saying that you did not, you felt 1796 01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,640 disgusting that night. 1797 01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:46,320 We went back to the hotel. 1798 01:47:46,940 --> 01:47:52,680 I feel bad in that. If I'm your boyfriend and you feel disgusting going 1799 01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,010 me, That's no fun for either of us. 1800 01:47:55,690 --> 01:47:57,270 I agree with you. 1801 01:47:57,530 --> 01:47:59,190 Then you work through it. 1802 01:48:00,090 --> 01:48:02,830 Sorry, we're having an argument. No, that's fine. 1803 01:48:03,130 --> 01:48:07,150 I honestly, again, appreciate you guys being honest, but I'm trying to hear 1804 01:48:07,150 --> 01:48:08,150 of you. 1805 01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:10,370 We've been in fights. 1806 01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:15,810 Sometimes she might say something where I don't agree, or she might talk about 1807 01:48:15,810 --> 01:48:20,870 how she's feeling right now and how I might make her feel, but it really 1808 01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:27,080 like whatever she said, You just shut down, and I'm just, like, wondering why. 1809 01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:31,100 Maybe I was over it. 1810 01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:34,560 Okay. Was it the culmination of certain things? 1811 01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:38,400 Is a lack of response always shutting down, though? I mean, someone who 1812 01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:42,380 struggles speaking and being, like, you've talked about that a lot. I'm not 1813 01:48:42,380 --> 01:48:45,880 trying to defend anyone, but is that necessarily shutting down, not 1814 01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:47,240 knowing what to answer in that moment? 1815 01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,920 Now this is different. This is a few months later, but in that moment. 1816 01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,440 You could always have that conversation later. It's hard. 1817 01:48:53,700 --> 01:48:55,620 Yeah, you could if you say let's have this conversation later. 1818 01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,600 How difficult is that to have a response there as well? 1819 01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:03,620 No question. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, you know 1820 01:49:03,620 --> 01:49:08,020 need some time to think about this and let's talk in another hour. I hear you. 1821 01:49:08,100 --> 01:49:08,999 That didn't happen. 1822 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,200 We filmed a show. 1823 01:49:10,780 --> 01:49:15,760 That show was centered around age differences. As you all know, you got 1824 01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,840 that question a lot. It was the focus of the show. 1825 01:49:19,480 --> 01:49:21,480 And unless you guys disagree, 1826 01:49:22,340 --> 01:49:27,320 it's not Teresa saying post -show this was one of the first times you felt 1827 01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:30,420 whatever you felt and brought this to John's attention. 1828 01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,840 And you're saying in that moment you were over it. 1829 01:49:34,180 --> 01:49:39,100 I mean, we had discussions before. There was stuff said over text that I didn't 1830 01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:40,380 appreciate about. 1831 01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:41,760 Like what? 1832 01:49:41,780 --> 01:49:44,400 You felt bad stealing my youth. 1833 01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:48,620 That was that night that we had that conversation. 1834 01:49:49,300 --> 01:49:52,300 It was beforehand. I don't really feel comfortable airing this out. 1835 01:49:53,220 --> 01:49:54,800 Okay. Well, that's why we're here. 1836 01:49:55,620 --> 01:50:00,380 Well, it sounds like the two of you were able to at some point reconnect if this 1837 01:50:00,380 --> 01:50:05,180 was just the first swipe at a breakup. So what were the following days like 1838 01:50:05,180 --> 01:50:06,139 after this? 1839 01:50:06,140 --> 01:50:12,180 Do you want to talk? You can talk. Okay. So the next – actually, that morning 1840 01:50:12,180 --> 01:50:14,000 after I took my walk. 1841 01:50:14,460 --> 01:50:19,080 And I had a clear head. I did contact John and I was like, I'm really sorry 1842 01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,620 my feeling overwhelmed. 1843 01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,280 And, you know, I apologize. 1844 01:50:24,620 --> 01:50:28,160 And we talked a little bit about like what we were doing that day. 1845 01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:31,760 The next morning, he came back to the hotel and we had breakfast. 1846 01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:33,560 We had a great conversation. 1847 01:50:34,220 --> 01:50:35,360 We went on a walk. 1848 01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:40,380 He was leaving that day. I was staying in New York. We gave each other a hug 1849 01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:43,720 a kiss goodbye, like a real kiss, not on the cheek. 1850 01:50:44,509 --> 01:50:50,210 And we went our separate ways. And then I thought we were doing good. We were 1851 01:50:50,210 --> 01:50:56,750 back. And it didn't turn out to be that way. Then that next week, we again had 1852 01:50:56,750 --> 01:51:02,030 like some bad communication issues. I brought up something that I was curious 1853 01:51:02,030 --> 01:51:08,870 about with regard to an Instagram thing and didn't hear from him. What 1854 01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:09,870 Instagram thing? 1855 01:51:10,410 --> 01:51:13,450 I'd just rather not mention it. 1856 01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,220 because I don't think it's relevant. 1857 01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:21,300 But it was just something that I had seen that I was like, what is this? And 1858 01:51:21,300 --> 01:51:26,880 reached out to John, and he did not reply for like an hour. And then I got 1859 01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:33,140 three words, and that was it. And so I called, didn't pick up, 1860 01:51:33,180 --> 01:51:34,360 nothing. 1861 01:51:35,380 --> 01:51:41,320 And then the next day, I write him again, and he totally ghosts me. 1862 01:51:42,350 --> 01:51:44,130 And I didn't talk to him for weeks. 1863 01:51:44,770 --> 01:51:46,230 What was his three -word response? 1864 01:51:47,290 --> 01:51:49,750 It was something like, don't worry about it. 1865 01:51:50,430 --> 01:51:51,430 Very vague. 1866 01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:54,370 John, is there anything you would like to clear up in this moment? 1867 01:51:56,370 --> 01:51:59,190 Was that a growl? 1868 01:52:00,090 --> 01:52:06,910 Did you think you were in a relationship at that point? No. 1869 01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:09,700 Okay. When was this? What month are you talking about? 1870 01:52:10,100 --> 01:52:12,020 I mean, you got to speak your truth. 1871 01:52:12,260 --> 01:52:14,280 Yeah. Yeah, explain. I would love to hear. 1872 01:52:15,340 --> 01:52:20,660 I... You got pretty nasty with me. 1873 01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:22,000 After that, yeah. 1874 01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:26,300 You got pretty nasty with me. I did. And I want to be totally respectful and I 1875 01:52:26,300 --> 01:52:28,120 want to support you through this journey. 1876 01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:33,600 And maybe I didn't communicate with you in the moment when you needed it, but I 1877 01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:34,600 want to support you now. 1878 01:52:34,940 --> 01:52:41,100 That being said, with... Some of the communication we had post -breakup, if 1879 01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:46,360 were not in this bubble and we didn't have to support each other right now, 1880 01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:51,420 which I do want to support you, with the way you communicated with me and the 1881 01:52:51,420 --> 01:52:54,900 things you said, I don't think we would ever speak again. 1882 01:52:55,900 --> 01:53:02,860 Okay. I mean, I was very frustrated when I left you that voice memo. I said some 1883 01:53:02,860 --> 01:53:04,820 things that I regret, and I said that later. 1884 01:53:06,190 --> 01:53:10,330 That is sometimes what happens when you are ghosted. 1885 01:53:11,690 --> 01:53:12,910 We were broken up. 1886 01:53:13,530 --> 01:53:14,690 I didn't think we were. 1887 01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:16,050 I apologize. 1888 01:53:16,270 --> 01:53:19,890 We never really declared that we were broken up, and we had continued to talk. 1889 01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:23,450 It's kind of semantics, but at the end of the day, we're all adults, and I'm 1890 01:53:23,450 --> 01:53:26,590 just like, did you expect a response from whatever question you asked? 1891 01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:31,970 Yeah, and it was actually me trying to, in some ways, protect you because I saw 1892 01:53:31,970 --> 01:53:35,430 some things that I was like, I don't think you're going to want, you know. 1893 01:53:35,950 --> 01:53:36,950 Out there. 1894 01:53:37,810 --> 01:53:38,930 I'll comment. 1895 01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:41,730 Jorge, is there anything? 1896 01:53:42,630 --> 01:53:46,870 I'm not in the business of speaking to people's relationships. I don't think 1897 01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:51,290 that John is speaking his authentic truth because I think he's protecting 1898 01:53:51,290 --> 01:53:52,410 Teresa, which I respect. 1899 01:53:52,910 --> 01:53:57,090 And so if this man's going to choose to protect her, I'm all for it because I'm 1900 01:53:57,090 --> 01:53:58,570 all about protecting relationships. 1901 01:53:58,870 --> 01:54:02,730 And I understand it, but I think that there's... That's so not... 1902 01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:07,100 Fair. First of all, you're like gaslighting a little bit here because 1903 01:54:07,100 --> 01:54:11,200 nothing I need protection of. I take full responsibility for what it was that 1904 01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:15,340 said in that voice memo. And if you want to play it and you want to air all of 1905 01:54:15,340 --> 01:54:20,280 our dirty laundry, let's do it. I'm not. I don't. Once again, I was being just 1906 01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:25,420 as respectful to him as he is claiming to be to me with protecting me and 1907 01:54:25,420 --> 01:54:26,420 supporting me. 1908 01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:29,980 So, I mean, I'm holding back some information. 1909 01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:35,940 He's. You know, saying that he is protecting me by maybe not saying that I 1910 01:54:35,940 --> 01:54:37,300 nasty in that voice memo. 1911 01:54:37,540 --> 01:54:40,640 I don't know. I mean, listen, every healthy couple has had to apologize. 1912 01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:43,860 You know, hey, I'm sorry I've been an asshole. 1913 01:54:44,060 --> 01:54:45,140 I'm sorry I've been whatever. 1914 01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:49,640 But I think what we're talking about here is how you guys communicated or 1915 01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:50,640 communicate. 1916 01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:55,340 You seem like a great guy, and the guy I got to know filming, like, I really 1917 01:54:55,340 --> 01:54:59,440 enjoyed my time. And just watching it back, you were always showing up for 1918 01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:03,680 Teresa. You seemed like this really empathetic, really understanding guy. 1919 01:55:04,060 --> 01:55:08,760 The guy sitting here right now, I'm not getting that same energy. I'm getting, 1920 01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,480 like, I was over it, whatever. 1921 01:55:11,780 --> 01:55:13,660 And what am I missing? 1922 01:55:15,540 --> 01:55:20,920 You – I just – You don't want to say anything? I don't know. 1923 01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:22,800 No. 1924 01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:29,020 I mean, you guys fell in love on TV. Yeah, and, like, I will 1 ,000 % say, 1925 01:55:29,060 --> 01:55:30,740 John is an amazing guy. 1926 01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:36,360 I mean, we had our issues, and there were things, and that was the demise of 1927 01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:40,240 relationship. And, like, yeah, we're getting emotional and a little heated 1928 01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:45,740 but at the end of the day, like, I thought you were an amazing guy, man, 1929 01:55:45,940 --> 01:55:48,060 whatever, on the show. I still think you are. 1930 01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:51,140 I just think our communication fell apart. 1931 01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:57,820 I don't really know what happened, but my only thing that I would say is that, 1932 01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:03,280 like, you got to learn how to communicate better. I don't know. I 1933 01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:08,540 saying I'm perfect, but I really care about you. I always have over this last 1934 01:56:08,540 --> 01:56:09,540 nine months. 1935 01:56:10,140 --> 01:56:13,920 So, you know, I'm not here to, like, trash you. I'm not here to, like, dig up 1936 01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,380 bad stuff. 1937 01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:19,680 But I think that you are very closed off right now. And I think when we were on 1938 01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:20,680 the show and we were together. 1939 01:56:21,260 --> 01:56:23,580 You were very open. You were very comfortable. 1940 01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:27,860 And that's why we flowed so well. And I don't know. 1941 01:56:28,060 --> 01:56:29,300 That's just my take. 1942 01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:34,420 Yeah, I'll admit that, yeah, maybe I did shut down at the hotel. I did. 1943 01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:37,880 And did you deserve better communication? 1944 01:56:38,300 --> 01:56:43,220 100%. But I think in that moment, if we're being truthful with each other, I 1945 01:56:43,220 --> 01:56:48,480 probably just fed up with age being an issue, with you not feeling comfortable 1946 01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:52,560 together. I don't want to date someone who feels gross next to me. 1947 01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:58,020 And that text hurt. I was out with my sister. We had a reservation for three, 1948 01:56:58,100 --> 01:57:02,000 her favorite restaurant. That text hurt me because you deserve to feel 1949 01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:06,720 comfortable with whoever you're dating. No, I agree. I agree. Yeah, I just shut 1950 01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:09,000 down. Yeah, I did. And I didn't communicate. 1951 01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:14,460 And the lines were very blurry after that walk. After breakfast the next 1952 01:57:14,460 --> 01:57:15,600 morning, they were very blurry. 1953 01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:17,440 And hindsight's 20 -20. 1954 01:57:19,820 --> 01:57:21,660 Say, no, we're not doing this. 1955 01:57:21,980 --> 01:57:24,820 You know, we need some space and just shut it down. 1956 01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:29,220 Maybe we rekindle in a couple weeks. But I didn't. And we didn't. And that the 1957 01:57:29,220 --> 01:57:34,900 lines were, it was a little gray. And I do regret that. 1958 01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:36,300 All right. Well, I appreciate that. 1959 01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:39,940 Do you think age played a role in your guys' demise? 1960 01:57:40,300 --> 01:57:41,760 Yes. In what way? 1961 01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:48,840 I just think that we didn't have the communication skills that we needed. 1962 01:57:49,530 --> 01:57:55,010 And I think the distance definitely had a huge part in it because, you know, 1963 01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:58,370 when you live across the country from each other, you can't just be like, 1964 01:57:58,370 --> 01:58:01,690 go grab coffee and go for a walk and, like, talk through this or whatever. 1965 01:58:01,890 --> 01:58:05,990 Like, it's telephone. And as he said, he doesn't like to text. 1966 01:58:06,450 --> 01:58:11,870 So if you don't have those basic communication skills, like, what do you 1967 01:58:12,850 --> 01:58:14,990 What did you learn about yourself in this process, John? 1968 01:58:15,830 --> 01:58:20,140 Funny. I thought I could communicate in the bubble, and I feel like Teresa 1969 01:58:20,140 --> 01:58:24,120 allowed me to have extremely hard conversations. I would consider myself 1970 01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:27,120 anxiously attached, and that's something I'm working on. 1971 01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:34,380 And in the bubble, when the kids came, she kind of shut down and went in 1972 01:58:34,380 --> 01:58:39,800 her separate part of the house, and I was chasing after her. I was like, 1973 01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:43,340 wrong? What can I do for you? And she's like, John, just let me have my space. 1974 01:58:43,540 --> 01:58:44,540 I'm fine. 1975 01:58:44,830 --> 01:58:46,790 The kids are coming. I just need my space. 1976 01:58:47,050 --> 01:58:49,850 And it made me think, fuck, nothing's wrong with us. 1977 01:58:50,190 --> 01:58:54,790 I'm just, oh, Teresa's gone, and that's not healthy. She needs her space. 1978 01:58:55,150 --> 01:59:00,530 And I remember she was on the stove, and I was like, how can I be here for you 1979 01:59:00,530 --> 01:59:04,330 right now? And she said, I just need my space. And that was the first time I was 1980 01:59:04,330 --> 01:59:09,090 allowed to have a really hard and uncomfortable conversation because it 1981 01:59:09,170 --> 01:59:10,410 I was anxiously attached. 1982 01:59:10,670 --> 01:59:13,950 I thought I did something wrong. She was in the bathroom throwing up. 1983 01:59:14,380 --> 01:59:17,540 And I text, she was like, just leave me alone. And nothing's wrong with our 1984 01:59:17,540 --> 01:59:18,680 relationship in that moment. 1985 01:59:19,060 --> 01:59:23,280 I just need to learn to be, you know, confident in what we had. 1986 01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:27,200 And I've learned that. I know I'm anxiously attached. 1987 01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:31,300 And she allowed me to have hard conversations. 1988 01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:34,480 Did I fail later on? 1989 01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:40,540 Yeah, it definitely wasn't the best communication. But in the experience, 1990 01:59:40,540 --> 01:59:43,940 made me a lot better, selfishly. 1991 01:59:44,380 --> 01:59:45,420 I can thank her for that. 1992 01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:49,740 Did that attachment style carry on throughout after filming? 1993 01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:53,760 Yeah, I mean, not to be the guy that talks about baseball all the time, and, 1994 01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:54,820 know, it's glory years. 1995 01:59:55,120 --> 01:59:58,500 Baseball was ripped away from me, so I've taken that into relationships, and 1996 01:59:58,500 --> 01:59:59,720 it's not healthy. 1997 02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:07,180 I think our breakdown was communication, and I think not to make excuses, it's 1998 02:00:07,180 --> 02:00:10,140 easier when you're living with each other in the bubble. 1999 02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:13,700 It's easier if you live in the same city. I think that's just common sense. 2000 02:00:14,220 --> 02:00:20,920 I'm proud of us for taking a really realistic approach to it. I did at 2001 02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:23,140 think, and I'm not going to speak for her. 2002 02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:27,380 But, yeah, I think communication was a breakdown. 2003 02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:33,040 I'm curious, just reflecting on this relationship, how will you work on your 2004 02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:37,980 attachment style or whatever it is that causes you to shut down when things get 2005 02:00:37,980 --> 02:00:38,980 difficult? 2006 02:00:39,470 --> 02:00:44,310 Just be confident in the relationship you built with that person. 2007 02:00:44,890 --> 02:00:45,890 Be secure. 2008 02:00:45,950 --> 02:00:50,610 And I think I was secure in Vancouver and in Whistler with her. 2009 02:00:52,210 --> 02:00:53,390 That was kind of like the honeymoon. 2010 02:00:53,650 --> 02:00:58,790 What I'm hearing is it was fun. It was great. There was this huge chemistry. 2011 02:00:59,890 --> 02:01:02,830 But when shit hit the fan, you cut and run. 2012 02:01:03,290 --> 02:01:06,590 Shit hit the fan a couple weeks before New York. 2013 02:01:07,210 --> 02:01:11,720 Whenever. No, I know. We had some conversations that I didn't like over 2014 02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:13,620 phone, and I was like, we're going to talk about this in person. 2015 02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:15,280 And then we went to New York. 2016 02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:19,420 Did you talk about those things in person in New York, or did they kind of 2017 02:01:19,420 --> 02:01:20,420 be brushed under the rug? 2018 02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:28,540 You text me that you felt bad when we were away, and you wanted me to see 2019 02:01:28,540 --> 02:01:29,540 people. 2020 02:01:29,940 --> 02:01:35,120 No, I asked you if you wanted to, and if you did, I said, please just be honest 2021 02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:36,120 with me. 2022 02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:40,140 I didn't appreciate that because it's not something I do in a relationship. 2023 02:01:40,500 --> 02:01:45,640 It's not something. I was just kind of giving you sort of an opening or an 2024 02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:49,640 opportunity to be because we didn't have great communication. Again, like you 2025 02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:50,640 don't like to text. 2026 02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:54,240 Our phone calls were very far and few between. I felt like there was this 2027 02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:55,460 distance that was growing. 2028 02:01:55,740 --> 02:02:00,100 And so I was like, huh, maybe he wants to start dating other people. And so I 2029 02:02:00,100 --> 02:02:04,920 was like, let me just throw this out there and see what how his response was. 2030 02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:09,520 And you were like, no, absolutely not. And I didn't realize that my asking that 2031 02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:12,440 question would have made you upset. You didn't tell that to me. 2032 02:02:12,900 --> 02:02:19,080 So, you know, I was literally just trying to like fish to see what was 2033 02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:24,940 because I didn't know where we were at a variety of times after we left Naples, 2034 02:02:25,060 --> 02:02:26,180 more or less. 2035 02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:28,980 Karitha, I got to ask about your kids. 2036 02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:34,100 Obviously, they played a big role in your feelings and your decision. 2037 02:02:35,140 --> 02:02:38,700 Did your kids ever find out how old John was? 2038 02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:40,980 They just found out. They just found out? Uh -huh. 2039 02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:42,880 Wow. From watching the show back? 2040 02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:45,840 Pretty much, yeah. And why did you never tell them? 2041 02:02:46,220 --> 02:02:51,480 Well, John and I had broken up, and, you know, I just didn't, I was like, what's 2042 02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:52,800 the point now? Like, nobody. 2043 02:02:53,140 --> 02:02:54,140 They weren't curious? 2044 02:02:54,540 --> 02:02:58,460 I mean, they're living their own lives. Like, my youngest was starting his first 2045 02:02:58,460 --> 02:03:02,560 job in New York. You know, like, everybody's up doing their own thing. 2046 02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,060 not, like, in mom's house, like. 2047 02:03:04,350 --> 02:03:05,350 What's going on? 2048 02:03:06,350 --> 02:03:11,930 So I just didn't bring it up to them. And then, yeah, on Monday with the 2049 02:03:11,930 --> 02:03:17,650 or the little poster thing with our ages under our feet, I was like, oh, look, 2050 02:03:17,690 --> 02:03:19,810 Lauren, like they color corrected my skirt. 2051 02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:22,010 She's like, oh, my God, he's 27. 2052 02:03:22,430 --> 02:03:27,310 I was like, oh, shit. Like, I forgot that was there. And then my son just 2053 02:03:27,310 --> 02:03:32,310 me. I think it was this morning or yesterday. Like, I saw the first episode 2054 02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:33,690 I'm really shocked at. 2055 02:03:34,090 --> 02:03:35,090 how young he is. 2056 02:03:35,590 --> 02:03:38,950 And, you know, my response was, he's a great guy. 2057 02:03:39,290 --> 02:03:44,370 He, you know, is a lot more mature than what his age is. Obviously, you met him. 2058 02:03:44,430 --> 02:03:45,430 You got to know him. 2059 02:03:46,570 --> 02:03:50,670 And, you know, we're not together. So I guess you don't have to worry about 2060 02:03:50,670 --> 02:03:54,150 that. And I was, like, concerned that his friends were embarrassed. 2061 02:03:55,110 --> 02:03:58,610 Looking back, obviously, I know I remember that infamous dinner. 2062 02:03:59,240 --> 02:04:00,960 Leah had something to say. It's okay. 2063 02:04:01,980 --> 02:04:02,858 It's okay. 2064 02:04:02,860 --> 02:04:07,820 But listen, like, obviously, it was all your guys' journey to do whatever you 2065 02:04:07,820 --> 02:04:13,220 want. But I do think Leah, you know, made a point in the sense that, like, 2066 02:04:13,220 --> 02:04:18,580 like, if your kids play that much of a role in your dating life, and it makes a 2067 02:04:18,580 --> 02:04:19,580 lot of sense, 2068 02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:24,200 wouldn't it make sense to tell them? Because what if they didn't accept how 2069 02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:27,860 John was at the time? And here you are falling in love with this guy. 2070 02:04:28,700 --> 02:04:33,340 Wasn't that putting your relationship with John in a sticky position by not 2071 02:04:33,340 --> 02:04:37,720 being up front with your kids, knowing that what they think means a great deal 2072 02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:43,500 to you? I don't mean to cut you off. I think it's a double standard with us 2073 02:04:43,500 --> 02:04:45,020 versus the people with kids. 2074 02:04:45,580 --> 02:04:50,560 Because what if someone falls in love and then a year later meets the kids and 2075 02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:52,180 the kids don't like the partner? 2076 02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:55,120 Same thing with us. We weren't allowed to. 2077 02:04:55,710 --> 02:05:00,490 go through our journey without her getting scrutinized for not revealing my 2078 02:05:00,650 --> 02:05:03,970 but it's really the same thing. It's a big part of her life. It's a big part of 2079 02:05:03,970 --> 02:05:05,950 a partner's life who has kids. 2080 02:05:06,170 --> 02:05:08,990 So they get the path of... She has kids. 2081 02:05:09,250 --> 02:05:11,830 No, I know, but they get the path... The people with younger kids who didn't 2082 02:05:11,830 --> 02:05:16,970 come to the... Yeah, they get the path on not introducing the partner to the 2083 02:05:16,970 --> 02:05:20,850 kids, but when she doesn't want to reveal my age, she gets shit for it. 2084 02:05:20,910 --> 02:05:26,350 and to add on to that, what I was going to say is that... I totally respect 2085 02:05:26,350 --> 02:05:30,550 Andrew and Derek's choice not to introduce or whatever. 2086 02:05:30,810 --> 02:05:36,210 However, I also am in that situation, regardless of the fact that my kids are 2087 02:05:36,210 --> 02:05:38,410 maybe seven, eight years older than yours. 2088 02:05:39,210 --> 02:05:43,970 They came to the show. Obviously, you could see how nervous that was for me 2089 02:05:43,970 --> 02:05:50,310 because I do not introduce my kids to partners casually at all, and I was 2090 02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:53,650 to do that. So I had to swallow that. 2091 02:05:55,660 --> 02:05:56,940 and deal with it. 2092 02:05:57,140 --> 02:06:01,140 And so the fact that that was a huge thing for me, and then on top of it, I'm 2093 02:06:01,140 --> 02:06:04,080 supposed to say, oh, by the way, he's two years younger than you, Richard. 2094 02:06:04,780 --> 02:06:10,160 That was a lot for me. I totally get it's a lot. The question still stands. 2095 02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:13,960 just curious, knowing that it does mean a lot to you what they think. 2096 02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:19,620 Is there a world where we do throw a lot at you? Obviously, it was a very weird 2097 02:06:19,620 --> 02:06:23,340 situation. I totally get that. But I'm just wondering, when you watch it back, 2098 02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:27,040 is there a lane where it would have made sense just to kind of tell them? 2099 02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:30,680 Because if they didn't accept them, what would have happened if they didn't 2100 02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:34,340 accept them? So the reason why, let me give you my train of thought. So again, 2101 02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:40,100 to go back to, I met John, I had no idea how old he was, really was drawn to 2102 02:06:40,100 --> 02:06:41,980 him, had feelings, blah, blah, blah, right? 2103 02:06:42,300 --> 02:06:45,920 Then I find out how old he is and I'm like, oh my God, okay, well, now I have 2104 02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:47,960 this like inner argument with myself. 2105 02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:54,910 If my kids who are in their 20s, had gotten to know john and 2106 02:06:54,910 --> 02:07:00,290 learned what a great guy he is just like i did and saw how strong our 2107 02:07:00,290 --> 02:07:04,310 relationship and saw all those good things and then they found out and they 2108 02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:10,370 like oof i'd be like yeah but let's have this intellectual argument now does age 2109 02:07:10,370 --> 02:07:14,970 matter because he's got all of these qualities and i get it but these are the 2110 02:07:14,970 --> 02:07:19,510 reasons why i chose him and i still chose him after i knew his age and i 2111 02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:24,320 you guys to also Think about that. And that's the conversation I would have had 2112 02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:25,680 after they got to know him. 2113 02:07:25,940 --> 02:07:32,920 Teresa, when you met John's mom and sister, you left and they stayed and 2114 02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:33,920 had a conversation. 2115 02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:39,740 His sister said that you not telling them about having children was off 2116 02:07:39,740 --> 02:07:42,020 and weird. How did that feel to watch that back? 2117 02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:43,620 I mean, it hurt. 2118 02:07:45,380 --> 02:07:49,840 John and I had had a conversation prior to getting together with our friends and 2119 02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:55,080 family, and we both said that we were not going to say those things. We were 2120 02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:58,040 going to, you know, I mean, roll back. 2121 02:07:58,280 --> 02:08:03,140 We literally say, like, we're not going to say ages and we're not going to talk 2122 02:08:03,140 --> 02:08:08,580 about the kids. And so it was okay when I found out that he had said, like, oh, 2123 02:08:08,580 --> 02:08:10,880 yeah, you know, she's got kids or whatever. 2124 02:08:11,780 --> 02:08:13,480 I just didn't think it was part of the plan. 2125 02:08:14,160 --> 02:08:19,680 So that's part of the reason why I didn't say those things. But, I mean, if 2126 02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:23,800 had known that we were wanting to do that, I would have done it. 2127 02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:28,860 Okay. Is there any love still there? 2128 02:08:29,180 --> 02:08:30,800 Are you guys in love with each other? 2129 02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:33,400 Is there any chance at rekindling? 2130 02:08:33,820 --> 02:08:39,100 I mean, I think I will always really care about John, and I think what we had 2131 02:08:39,100 --> 02:08:40,100 was real. 2132 02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:41,840 But I think... 2133 02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:45,760 We've learned that we're not compatible. 2134 02:08:48,220 --> 02:08:50,940 John, do you feel like age played a role in your relationship ending? 2135 02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:52,320 I don't. 2136 02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:54,840 I don't think it was age. 2137 02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:56,860 I think it was communication. 2138 02:08:57,420 --> 02:09:02,380 I think it was, I think, I'll speak for myself, we all go to Jorge, and we spent 2139 02:09:02,380 --> 02:09:07,000 so much time together during this process. He's taught me a lot that 2140 02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:08,000 matter. 2141 02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:12,550 Communication is key, as cheesy as that sounds. 2142 02:09:12,770 --> 02:09:19,270 So I think if I would have shown up and communicated clearly with her, we could 2143 02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:20,290 have talked through those things. 2144 02:09:20,690 --> 02:09:22,830 Was it me giving up? 2145 02:09:23,390 --> 02:09:27,470 Yeah, I think that you can paint that picture. 2146 02:09:28,090 --> 02:09:30,710 I don't think it was just age that broke us up. 2147 02:09:31,230 --> 02:09:35,190 Well, thank you for being so vulnerable and honest about y 'all's relationship. 2148 02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:41,880 Leah and Chris's 15 -year age gap relationship begged the question, can 2149 02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:43,300 a boy into a man? 2150 02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:47,560 And after a season of ups and downs, flight attendant Leah came to the 2151 02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:51,500 realization that Chris might not be as worldly as she hoped. 2152 02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:55,140 Leah, how did it feel knowing that you were ready to commit and he was not? 2153 02:09:55,620 --> 02:10:00,580 For me, it was shocking because everything that he told me to my face 2154 02:10:00,580 --> 02:10:01,580 he was in it. 2155 02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:05,400 Because what you don't see is that he actually met my sister -in -law. 2156 02:10:06,220 --> 02:10:07,860 And we had a great time. 2157 02:10:08,180 --> 02:10:12,640 And he talked about how into me he was and all these things about getting to 2158 02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:16,120 know me. And then we also meet his mom the next day. 2159 02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:20,820 And then as you see what she said, she said, you look so happy. 2160 02:10:21,320 --> 02:10:26,240 You heard that, right? Yeah. And then in two seconds, he's like, I'm so 2161 02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:29,140 stressed. I was like, you wasn't stressed two minutes ago. 2162 02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:32,540 Not two minutes, but, yeah, I mean, more like 45 minutes. 2163 02:10:33,100 --> 02:10:36,480 You know, but you feel me, though. Yeah, I feel you. So it's like, once again, 2164 02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:40,760 it's like it's just all like a facade. It's like some lies, you know, because I 2165 02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:44,080 didn't know he had all these feelings because he didn't tell me. 2166 02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:50,240 So watching that moment back with his mom, that caught you completely off 2167 02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:55,960 Yeah, because we were in a good place when I had walked away. Like, me and his 2168 02:10:55,960 --> 02:10:56,960 mom had a great chat. 2169 02:10:58,280 --> 02:10:58,959 Did we not? 2170 02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:02,980 Okay, cool. I got, you know, but we did. And we, um, she understood. I think her 2171 02:11:02,980 --> 02:11:05,620 biggest concern was like, I've lived alone. 2172 02:11:05,940 --> 02:11:08,720 They're used to being around their family. I was like, I love hanging out 2173 02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:11,680 having parties. I was like, but does the door lock? You know what I mean? But, 2174 02:11:11,740 --> 02:11:15,420 but that was like her biggest thing. And about children. And I was like, I've 2175 02:11:15,420 --> 02:11:20,720 never pressed him for a relationship, children. I just was like, we can just 2176 02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:25,400 date. Cause I don't know from him, like from what he was always telling me, it's 2177 02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:26,400 like he was in. 2178 02:11:26,540 --> 02:11:29,540 And he was having issues, but it never had to do with me. 2179 02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:34,600 It was about the sleep, being sleep deprived, all these filming issues. You 2180 02:11:34,600 --> 02:11:36,800 what I mean? It was never like, Leah, it's you. 2181 02:11:37,060 --> 02:11:38,039 You're the problem. 2182 02:11:38,040 --> 02:11:42,040 He never said that to me. Because if he had, what you don't know is my best 2183 02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:44,360 friend lost her mom two days into Vancouver. 2184 02:11:44,840 --> 02:11:46,040 And I found that out. 2185 02:11:46,260 --> 02:11:49,660 So for me, it's like, I never needed him. 2186 02:11:50,040 --> 02:11:54,260 My girlfriend needed me. I could have bounced if I knew that's what he was 2187 02:11:54,260 --> 02:11:55,260 pushing. You know what I mean? 2188 02:11:55,560 --> 02:12:00,940 So for me, he was very selfish in that to not just tell me the truth. Because I 2189 02:12:00,940 --> 02:12:05,860 remember I sat down with him. I felt him pulling away about maybe a few days in 2190 02:12:05,860 --> 02:12:07,080 because the whole sleep stuff. 2191 02:12:07,340 --> 02:12:10,940 And I was like, hey. I sat him down on the couch. And I was like, do you like 2192 02:12:10,940 --> 02:12:11,940 me? 2193 02:12:12,260 --> 02:12:15,680 And he said, yes. It's not you. It's the situation. I was like, okay. 2194 02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:17,120 Then I'll ride with you. 2195 02:12:17,340 --> 02:12:20,860 Because once I ask you once, I don't need to ask you six times, like, do you 2196 02:12:20,860 --> 02:12:23,380 like me? Like, you say you like me, then I'll ride with you. 2197 02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:28,620 And I won't talk bad about you. And I will keep it. Like you heard me in our, 2198 02:12:28,620 --> 02:12:34,120 had like a meeting with the crew about some stuff. And I was like, I fought for 2199 02:12:34,120 --> 02:12:37,740 him. I was like, he's not sleeping. He doesn't go to the gym. He doesn't get to 2200 02:12:37,740 --> 02:12:38,740 tan. You know what I mean? 2201 02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:42,240 But at the end of the day, it's like, that wasn't even my fight to fight. 2202 02:12:44,060 --> 02:12:45,060 Hi, Chris. 2203 02:12:46,100 --> 02:12:49,420 I'm just watching it back. I am curious, you know. 2204 02:12:49,850 --> 02:12:53,810 For those watching or listening, during filming, as you guys know, we took your 2205 02:12:53,810 --> 02:12:54,810 phones away. 2206 02:12:55,110 --> 02:13:00,030 We really wanted you guys to focus on your relationships. You have this 2207 02:13:00,030 --> 02:13:04,090 time. So the whole part of the experiment is to really lean in. 2208 02:13:04,370 --> 02:13:09,370 And so I'm just curious, Chris, like during this phase, why it seemed like 2209 02:13:09,370 --> 02:13:11,130 weren't leaning in to this experience. 2210 02:13:11,530 --> 02:13:14,950 And last time I had a chance to talk with you, you talked about, I think your 2211 02:13:14,950 --> 02:13:19,290 explanation was you wanted to give Leah a glimpse into what your life was like. 2212 02:13:19,690 --> 02:13:24,110 But at the same time, couldn't you have just told her, hey, normally I work out, 2213 02:13:24,170 --> 02:13:31,030 normally I tan, normally I nap. But like, why were you so reluctant to use 2214 02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:35,130 this very limited time that you guys had to really lean in to see what your 2215 02:13:35,130 --> 02:13:39,070 connection was about? Yeah. So addressing that question more first 2216 02:13:39,070 --> 02:13:43,190 anything, talking about my routine, that was an excuse to not. 2217 02:13:43,580 --> 02:13:46,680 sneaking out of the apartment and going and doing what the other couples were 2218 02:13:46,680 --> 02:13:50,260 doing because you know it seemed like the other couples were having a great 2219 02:13:50,260 --> 02:13:53,260 and having fun i'm not trying to sorry that's not what i was that's not what i 2220 02:13:53,260 --> 02:13:57,280 was saying in other words we're not going out of our way to spend more time 2221 02:13:57,280 --> 02:14:00,740 each other which i hear you on that right like we're not what do you mean by 2222 02:14:00,740 --> 02:14:04,640 that meaning like instead of hey tonight we have kind of an off night and 2223 02:14:04,640 --> 02:14:09,280 tomorrow we don't have much to do instead of let's maybe go to a bar and 2224 02:14:09,280 --> 02:14:14,110 something to eat My choice was let's just stay in and maybe we watch it on TV 2225 02:14:14,110 --> 02:14:18,230 and cook. And I hear you with what you're trying to say, but that was my 2226 02:14:18,230 --> 02:14:22,290 response to that about the whole routine. That's why my response to you 2227 02:14:22,410 --> 02:14:26,210 well, I guess I also told you in this reality, like I felt like I was almost 2228 02:14:26,210 --> 02:14:29,790 working at one point, right? Like trying to keep myself healthy and also 2229 02:14:29,790 --> 02:14:31,890 struggling with the sleep. You remember we were talking about that. 2230 02:14:32,330 --> 02:14:36,350 Because they casted you to be the gym guy. Yes, that's what you said. 2231 02:14:36,720 --> 02:14:39,480 Well, and that's not right, and that's not fair for you, so I hear you on that. 2232 02:14:39,560 --> 02:14:42,120 But I don't think that it's fair to say that I wouldn't leave him. Wait, he said 2233 02:14:42,120 --> 02:14:45,580 that they casted him to be the gym guy? I don't remember saying that. 2234 02:14:46,040 --> 02:14:50,000 If I did, it's not what I, I don't remember saying that, but I don't think 2235 02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:51,000 matters. Okay. 2236 02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:53,860 I mean, somebody's got to do bicycle rolls, I guess. They cast you to find 2237 02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:54,880 It did matter. 2238 02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:58,860 I know, but I don't remember saying that. And regardless of whether they 2239 02:14:58,860 --> 02:15:01,060 for that, obviously I'm there to find love. I hear you. 2240 02:15:01,340 --> 02:15:02,600 Okay, so with that said. 2241 02:15:02,990 --> 02:15:06,890 Rest of the cast, do you think he was there to find love? Go ahead. If you 2242 02:15:06,890 --> 02:15:09,090 he was there to find love, go ahead and raise your hand. 2243 02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:14,510 What I will say, like, honestly, also, like, being in that experience, like, I 2244 02:15:14,510 --> 02:15:18,490 also watching, like, the last finale episodes, you can clearly tell, like, 2245 02:15:18,510 --> 02:15:21,870 Chris, like, you honestly didn't like Leah. Like, let's just keep the book. 2246 02:15:21,870 --> 02:15:25,890 didn't at all. And you never expressed that to her. All the things you told 2247 02:15:25,890 --> 02:15:28,470 mom, you never expressed that to her face ever. 2248 02:15:29,540 --> 02:15:33,960 And I think that was unfair. Like Leah was literally there, like so into you 2249 02:15:33,960 --> 02:15:37,180 literally in that experience with you. And you just, you didn't like her, but 2250 02:15:37,180 --> 02:15:40,920 she didn't say that to her. I also think it's unfair for, especially from the 2251 02:15:40,920 --> 02:15:45,160 inside, from everyone here to say that when you saw how invested I was and you 2252 02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:49,100 saw me on off days and you saw him, when you say I wasn't leaning into it, I was 2253 02:15:49,100 --> 02:15:51,720 still there because I was leaning into it. We had a great time with her. 2254 02:15:51,780 --> 02:15:54,980 Obviously, you know, the edit, there was not much shown there. We get into this, 2255 02:15:55,020 --> 02:15:57,560 what seemed a little more out of the bubble, but we're still in a bubble. 2256 02:15:59,240 --> 02:16:03,400 Three, four days in, I felt like I was over it at that point. Over what? 2257 02:16:03,700 --> 02:16:06,600 The whole thing, the whole experience. I was struggling with Leah. I think it 2258 02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:09,660 was very clear how much we were struggling. I don't know how it's 2259 02:16:09,660 --> 02:16:12,300 anybody could say that I was completely hiding that and showing that. I know 2260 02:16:12,300 --> 02:16:15,040 that I wouldn't show on TV, but there's no one here that didn't see me that 2261 02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:17,460 Sunday and said, what's wrong, Chris? Not one person. 2262 02:16:17,740 --> 02:16:20,560 Well, what I'm hearing from you, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that when 2263 02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:24,890 talked, when she would check in with you, you would blame it on the show 2264 02:16:24,890 --> 02:16:29,150 production the weirdness of it all that so then the next monday we had a date 2265 02:16:29,150 --> 02:16:32,510 that didn't show was the shopping date that's that's when the turn changed this 2266 02:16:32,510 --> 02:16:36,629 is we moved on thursday into into vancouver we had off this sunday this is 2267 02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:43,030 days into filming in vancouver so we have a date that morning i was told you 2268 02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:46,150 need a voice for the first time i was struggling i didn't want to talk 2269 02:16:46,150 --> 02:16:49,209 i didn't want to do all that that morning that interview was not my best 2270 02:16:49,209 --> 02:16:52,240 interview i was trying through the interview i'm really happy it didn't 2271 02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:55,500 wasn't feeling good we go into instead of being able to have a great 2272 02:16:55,500 --> 02:16:59,299 conversation we went into a shopping day we get there it's a boutique that 2273 02:16:59,299 --> 02:17:03,559 honestly i didn't you know i don't think that she was into because she very was 2274 02:17:03,559 --> 02:17:06,540 very clear about that i'm not really like this isn't a place i would shop 2275 02:17:06,540 --> 02:17:09,760 like this which i'm glad we found something nice but regardless i mean 2276 02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:16,740 life bro cool i know and i show up you know well i mean 2277 02:17:16,740 --> 02:17:20,230 well i i definitely showed up I definitely showed up because when I was 2278 02:17:20,350 --> 02:17:24,750 we went through shopping. We went through dresses. And I was struggling at 2279 02:17:24,750 --> 02:17:27,690 point. And it was very clear I was struggling. And one of the few things 2280 02:17:27,690 --> 02:17:30,610 kept saying was like, well, you're living your best life out here. I'm not. 2281 02:17:30,610 --> 02:17:33,309 had an off day the day before. And we were on the pool. 2282 02:17:33,549 --> 02:17:37,590 And I spent maybe an hour and a half by myself. She was struggling with a lot. 2283 02:17:37,650 --> 02:17:40,750 And to be honest with you, I didn't want her to feel like I'm having a good time 2284 02:17:40,750 --> 02:17:43,049 while she's struggling but also need you to have your space. That was the moment 2285 02:17:43,049 --> 02:17:44,209 you were on the phone, right? 2286 02:17:44,700 --> 02:17:47,680 And I was in the corner in the pool. It wasn't until the last 15 minutes that 2287 02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:51,820 Andrew sat on the floor in the pool, in the corner, and said, dude, that's when 2288 02:17:51,820 --> 02:17:52,779 we had that conversation. 2289 02:17:52,780 --> 02:17:54,799 Hey, I know you're struggling. Everyone sees that you're struggling. 2290 02:17:55,639 --> 02:17:57,920 You're going to get through this, and you're going to be better for this. Five 2291 02:17:57,920 --> 02:17:59,940 minutes later, all the boys are sitting next to me. 2292 02:18:00,180 --> 02:18:03,580 Ten minutes later, Leah walks up, and she sees me having a great time laughing 2293 02:18:03,580 --> 02:18:04,239 with the boys. 2294 02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:07,420 Next day, we're at this date, and as she's trying on clothes, she's talking 2295 02:18:07,420 --> 02:18:10,639 about how I'm living my best life. And I go in there, you know, kind of throwing 2296 02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:11,760 shade, it kind of felt like. 2297 02:18:12,180 --> 02:18:13,620 Anyway, we're walking out. 2298 02:18:14,420 --> 02:18:18,040 And, you know, I was asked about, you know, who's paying for this whole thing 2299 02:18:18,040 --> 02:18:19,040 from the outside perspective. 2300 02:18:19,219 --> 02:18:23,219 And I was like, you know, that's my, I'm not, if I ever, ever take somebody on a 2301 02:18:23,219 --> 02:18:26,299 date, I'm taking on a date, whether it's food, whether it's shopping, because 2302 02:18:26,299 --> 02:18:29,360 this is me. And I felt like once I voiced her head, like, hey, this is me, 2303 02:18:29,379 --> 02:18:33,020 whatever you want, fine. But just so you understand, you know, we're walking 2304 02:18:33,020 --> 02:18:35,580 out, she's grabbing these clothes. And then she's like, oh, but we didn't even 2305 02:18:35,580 --> 02:18:36,580 look at jewelry yet. 2306 02:18:36,600 --> 02:18:39,860 After we already, I know she's joking, but after she already told me she didn't 2307 02:18:39,860 --> 02:18:42,799 like any of this jewelry, right? So it's like, it felt like she was not on my 2308 02:18:42,799 --> 02:18:46,340 side at that point. It felt like no one was on my side when I'm clearly trying 2309 02:18:46,340 --> 02:18:49,600 to lean into this at this point. I'm giving everything I have at this point. 2310 02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:51,400 Chris, did you like her? Did you like her? 2311 02:18:51,740 --> 02:18:54,260 I just want to know. Because you're still not saying like. 2312 02:18:54,540 --> 02:18:56,180 Can I ask you this? Did you like her? 2313 02:18:56,820 --> 02:18:58,860 Dude, I wouldn't have stayed there if I didn't like her at that point. Okay, 2314 02:18:58,860 --> 02:19:00,639 when you were in Vancouver, did you have feelings for her? 2315 02:19:00,889 --> 02:19:03,650 Of course. Of course I had feelings for her. What are you talking about? 2316 02:19:04,190 --> 02:19:06,790 I'm just asking. Four days in, I wanted to go home. 2317 02:19:07,070 --> 02:19:08,090 And that's the reality. 2318 02:19:08,430 --> 02:19:11,270 But why did you want to go home? Because I didn't think it was working. I 2319 02:19:11,270 --> 02:19:14,950 thought the age gap was too far for us. And I thought that it was creating an 2320 02:19:14,950 --> 02:19:16,969 unnecessary pressure. But why not just own that? 2321 02:19:17,510 --> 02:19:21,490 Chris, I love you as a friend. And I hear what you're saying about the 2322 02:19:21,490 --> 02:19:24,030 date and stuff. But everyone was out of their routine. 2323 02:19:24,290 --> 02:19:28,190 We were tanning. We were going to the gym. I was there. You were there. 2324 02:19:29,080 --> 02:19:33,820 Leah did not deserve you pretending like you liked her so that you came off as a 2325 02:19:33,820 --> 02:19:37,240 nice guy and to be strung along. It was not fair to her at all. And you could 2326 02:19:37,240 --> 02:19:42,000 see her genuine emotion and her genuine connection. And here she was believing 2327 02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:45,639 your words, but everybody else could see it. Those weren't your intentions. And 2328 02:19:45,639 --> 02:19:49,220 it was really, really sad watching that back to see how much you liked him. 2329 02:19:49,540 --> 02:19:52,560 And I think everybody was thinking the same thing. That was really sad to see 2330 02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:53,700 and how you were just. 2331 02:19:54,040 --> 02:19:56,600 You just wanted to come off as a nice guy. But I hear what you're saying about 2332 02:19:56,600 --> 02:19:59,660 the shopping date. I know that's frustrating, but we were all out of a 2333 02:19:59,860 --> 02:20:02,240 Let me just tell you why I did what I did with the shopping date. 2334 02:20:02,620 --> 02:20:05,680 Because you literally told me maybe like a day before. Remember, I listened to 2335 02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:08,660 everything you said. You literally told me you took a girl that you didn't even 2336 02:20:08,660 --> 02:20:10,160 date and you bought her a Prada bag. 2337 02:20:10,740 --> 02:20:12,140 Yeah, but I was. Look. Right. 2338 02:20:12,580 --> 02:20:14,840 But it was $400, y 'all. 2339 02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:16,720 If I had my, I got this little, but yeah. 2340 02:20:17,300 --> 02:20:20,460 $400. And then you bragged about how much you spent on your grocery bill. 2341 02:20:21,260 --> 02:20:22,039 Did he not? 2342 02:20:22,040 --> 02:20:26,100 $600. So you bragged about all this stuff, and if you liked me, it's like, 2343 02:20:26,180 --> 02:20:28,600 whatever you want, these items, we shop together, cool. 2344 02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:32,140 That's why I was like, yeah, add the jewelry too. But you told me that you 2345 02:20:32,140 --> 02:20:35,040 didn't like it. That's why I was hurt by it. But you told me, I was like, this 2346 02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:37,840 is cute. I will find something cute in this store. I hear you, but you got my 2347 02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:40,640 thing there. You said you didn't even like the girl that you brought the Prada 2348 02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:44,440 bag. How much Prada do you think, yo? That was a conversation about another 2349 02:20:44,440 --> 02:20:45,700 relationship. This was a $400, baby. 2350 02:20:45,940 --> 02:20:51,220 It wasn't that serious. Okay, I want to take a pause because everybody kind 2351 02:20:51,220 --> 02:20:53,110 of... Getting at Chris right now. 2352 02:20:53,370 --> 02:20:57,870 John, Chris, and I, we're dating older women, right? And I think you just saw 2353 02:20:57,870 --> 02:21:02,190 just now with John and his struggle to find his words, even with the story he 2354 02:21:02,190 --> 02:21:03,270 told when he was on the phone. 2355 02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:04,990 You know, Teresa was saying he shut down. 2356 02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:12,170 When you're dating a woman that's older and strong and powerful, she's used 2357 02:21:12,170 --> 02:21:13,830 to living her life a certain way. 2358 02:21:14,190 --> 02:21:18,710 And sometimes, you know, being single in the world, it's a mean world, you talk 2359 02:21:18,710 --> 02:21:19,770 to people a certain way. 2360 02:21:20,220 --> 02:21:24,620 And when you go back to a relationship, sometimes that doesn't always translate. 2361 02:21:24,860 --> 02:21:29,720 And so the partner doesn't always feel like they can communicate back. So as 2362 02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:34,420 much as, yeah, he didn't tell Leah, was he struggling because he really wanted 2363 02:21:34,420 --> 02:21:35,420 to push to make it work? 2364 02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:40,120 I'm sure. But I think what's coming across right now, and Chris knows I love 2365 02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:45,920 him. I just want Chris to speak his truth. And I think that the women are 2366 02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:47,920 you weren't being truthful. 2367 02:21:49,449 --> 02:21:53,110 concerned with. I get it what they're saying. I understand wholeheartedly what 2368 02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:56,730 they're saying. You aren't truthful. And I just want Chris to speak your truth. 2369 02:21:56,830 --> 02:22:00,790 And it's okay. Whatever your truth is. I don't want to speak for Leah, but I 2370 02:22:00,790 --> 02:22:04,090 think if Leah felt like whatever your truth was, she'll live with it. I did. 2371 02:22:04,470 --> 02:22:08,630 All I want you to do is just speak your truth. Whatever it is, I ride with you. 2372 02:22:08,950 --> 02:22:12,990 I ride with you ten toes down. If you were struggling like that, I think it 2373 02:22:12,990 --> 02:22:13,990 would have helped Leah. 2374 02:22:14,170 --> 02:22:17,130 And help you. If you would have been like. Rather than saying. I want to go 2375 02:22:17,130 --> 02:22:18,170 the gym. And this production. 2376 02:22:18,450 --> 02:22:22,390 Look. I am struggling with you. Yeah. This is what you're doing. To affect me. 2377 02:22:22,470 --> 02:22:23,870 And then you give her that opportunity. 2378 02:22:24,310 --> 02:22:27,770 To fix it. And talk to you about it. And y 'all can grow from it. If it's. You 2379 02:22:27,770 --> 02:22:28,890 know. If it's meant to be. So. 2380 02:22:29,230 --> 02:22:31,970 But you're not doing that. But that's the thing too. Is. He did voice it. And 2381 02:22:31,970 --> 02:22:35,690 that's why. After a few days. Could have happened faster. I can give you credit 2382 02:22:35,690 --> 02:22:37,350 for that. But this is why. BF really is like. Yeah. 2383 02:22:44,110 --> 02:22:47,210 But like I said, my best friend lost her mom. 2384 02:22:48,330 --> 02:22:49,710 And that was like a mom to me. 2385 02:22:50,030 --> 02:22:53,750 I remember you had voice that you said, you know, I just want to be alone at 2386 02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:54,950 night. I was like, cool. 2387 02:22:55,170 --> 02:22:59,710 I remember I gave you your space at night all the time, right? You watched 2388 02:22:59,850 --> 02:23:02,490 You did your thing. I went to bed. I left you alone. 2389 02:23:02,690 --> 02:23:06,130 Yes, I joined you in cooking sometimes just to have that wee time. But I 2390 02:23:06,130 --> 02:23:07,250 remember going to bed. 2391 02:23:11,130 --> 02:23:12,610 I cried so hard. 2392 02:23:13,900 --> 02:23:18,840 And then I felt guilty for bringing it to you while you were on the couch 2393 02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:19,839 watching TV. 2394 02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:22,620 So I literally remember, I do remember me asking, I was like, is it okay if I 2395 02:23:22,620 --> 02:23:26,040 sit next to you or like sit near you? So I sat on the opposite side of the 2396 02:23:26,040 --> 02:23:27,040 couch. 2397 02:23:27,460 --> 02:23:30,400 And I, while you watched me, I just sat there. I didn't cry. 2398 02:23:30,680 --> 02:23:31,680 I just sat. 2399 02:23:32,040 --> 02:23:37,880 And if that makes me overbearing or clingy, then it is what it is. But like 2400 02:23:37,880 --> 02:23:41,820 that moment, yes, I would have wanted my partner to be like, are you okay? I 2401 02:23:41,820 --> 02:23:42,940 know you're struggling right now. 2402 02:23:43,290 --> 02:23:47,650 You know what I mean? But instead, through this process, I'm protecting 2403 02:23:47,770 --> 02:23:49,430 coddling you when I needed that. 2404 02:23:49,650 --> 02:23:55,370 And I'm like, you've come to me as like a victim a lot of the times. 2405 02:23:55,590 --> 02:23:57,330 And at the end of the day, I'm a victim. 2406 02:23:57,530 --> 02:24:01,830 Like you played me. You know what I mean? And I'm like, in the real world, I 2407 02:24:01,830 --> 02:24:03,910 would never get played because I have options. 2408 02:24:04,250 --> 02:24:06,970 I didn't need you. I wanted you around. 2409 02:24:07,370 --> 02:24:08,370 Do you know what I'm saying? 2410 02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:12,220 And in this process, when I talked to my friend, I was like, I will come home 2411 02:24:12,220 --> 02:24:13,300 for you because I don't need to be here. 2412 02:24:13,500 --> 02:24:17,120 She said, me and my mom would have wanted you to do this because this could 2413 02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:18,220 your chance to find someone. 2414 02:24:18,520 --> 02:24:23,580 So that's why I stayed extra long, because you kept telling me to my face 2415 02:24:23,580 --> 02:24:24,580 you want to do this for us. 2416 02:24:24,840 --> 02:24:27,380 And then I would hear every little thing, some little things that you would 2417 02:24:27,440 --> 02:24:31,040 And it's like, it would just be like a little different. But then once you know 2418 02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:33,680 what I mean, but this is a different world. I was like, well, on TV, he's 2419 02:24:33,680 --> 02:24:36,700 probably getting nervous with his words. But I wanted to give you the benefit of 2420 02:24:36,700 --> 02:24:37,628 the doubt. 2421 02:24:37,630 --> 02:24:40,950 And I thought like, you know, you say people say you date the potential of a 2422 02:24:40,950 --> 02:24:46,270 man. And I was because I know you're a good person. You don't mean harm, but 2423 02:24:46,270 --> 02:24:50,570 did harm, you know, and I just want you to just take that ownership to know. 2424 02:24:51,290 --> 02:24:55,550 I'm bloody. I'm telling you, like for someone to say is like I was clean and 2425 02:24:55,550 --> 02:24:58,790 friend needed me. I'm like her best friend, like her own, like, you know 2426 02:24:58,790 --> 02:25:01,170 mean? And like you took that from me. 2427 02:25:03,230 --> 02:25:04,230 I'm sorry. 2428 02:25:05,440 --> 02:25:08,860 Looking back, do you think you were reckless with Leah's feelings? 2429 02:25:09,960 --> 02:25:10,960 Yeah. 2430 02:25:11,020 --> 02:25:15,660 And in that pool, that pool day that we had everyone, I think I remember Andrew 2431 02:25:15,660 --> 02:25:16,980 coming over. He said, are you okay? 2432 02:25:17,460 --> 02:25:21,420 And I said, I'll be fine, but I give me some time. And I don't even think you 2433 02:25:21,420 --> 02:25:24,020 even checked on me. That's why I said, you're out here living your best life. 2434 02:25:24,080 --> 02:25:26,340 Cause I was literally on that, on that thing. 2435 02:25:26,840 --> 02:25:29,940 But I hear you. I mean, you know how much I was feeling for that because you 2436 02:25:29,940 --> 02:25:30,729 know me. 2437 02:25:30,730 --> 02:25:33,090 With what I just dealt with two years ago, you know how much I was feeling. 2438 02:25:33,090 --> 02:25:37,970 I'm sorry that that's how you feel. That's why I wish you made sure everyone 2439 02:25:37,970 --> 02:25:42,290 around you was good and happy except for the person who was living with you. 2440 02:25:42,630 --> 02:25:47,090 Leah, did Chris know that you were going to say yes at the final ceremony? 2441 02:25:47,710 --> 02:25:52,810 No. I ended up changing my mind. So I was going to say no. And then I wanted 2442 02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:54,830 After dinner, we had a great conversation. 2443 02:25:55,130 --> 02:25:58,790 I remember, like, mind you, we had the mom, my sister -in -law that all had 2444 02:25:58,790 --> 02:26:00,250 great. great endings. 2445 02:26:01,010 --> 02:26:05,630 And I was like, okay, he understands where I'm coming from. He finally gets 2446 02:26:05,630 --> 02:26:08,070 I'm trying to tell him. And he literally, he's like, literally, you 2447 02:26:08,070 --> 02:26:10,570 like, you made me a better man. I was like, I'm not trying to make you a 2448 02:26:10,570 --> 02:26:14,070 man for the next person. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm trying to like, I 2449 02:26:14,070 --> 02:26:17,710 just, I see you. I get what a good person you can be. And that's what I'm 2450 02:26:17,710 --> 02:26:21,630 saying. Like when you're on, you're on, but you like live in your head and it 2451 02:26:21,630 --> 02:26:25,090 just turns and spins. You're thinking about so much far in advance, which is 2452 02:26:25,090 --> 02:26:27,730 beautiful, but like you just have to live in the present. 2453 02:26:28,220 --> 02:26:30,360 What did you think Chris was going to say at the commitment ceremony? 2454 02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:32,060 I knew he was going to say no. 2455 02:26:32,700 --> 02:26:38,460 I went. I felt that the day he left, I felt like our goodbye, it wasn't like a 2456 02:26:38,460 --> 02:26:41,140 normal goodbye that you would be like, oh, I like all the other couples. Like, 2457 02:26:41,220 --> 02:26:43,960 oh, my God, I miss you so much. He was like, I was racing to get out. And I was 2458 02:26:43,960 --> 02:26:49,300 like, dang, you know, I get you stressed and all, but you know, that's why when 2459 02:26:49,300 --> 02:26:52,000 I was like, you're going to miss me. I was like, I'm just now I'm just messing 2460 02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:54,000 with you because I know you're not going to miss me. You can't wait. 2461 02:26:54,360 --> 02:26:57,400 You're running out the door, you know? Chris, last time we had you on the show, 2462 02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:04,020 you caught me off guard because you kind of kept referencing this desire of 2463 02:27:04,020 --> 02:27:05,420 being on reality TV. 2464 02:27:05,660 --> 02:27:09,400 You had mentioned, I forgot how you said it, but you talked about... I think he 2465 02:27:09,400 --> 02:27:10,400 was 18. 2466 02:27:10,750 --> 02:27:15,010 You thought you were ready for reality television, and then here you are at 27. 2467 02:27:15,670 --> 02:27:19,110 Feeling like I'm not ready, right? Yeah, I wasn't sure what you said, but it 2468 02:27:19,110 --> 02:27:23,750 really caught me off guard because you were just talking about this desire 2469 02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:29,790 specifically going on reality TV, which is not a crime. But obviously, given 2470 02:27:29,790 --> 02:27:34,630 this show and given how real it is for people and what they sacrifice showing 2471 02:27:34,630 --> 02:27:36,070 up, I'm just wondering. 2472 02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:41,480 Did your desire to be on reality TV supersede your consideration for these 2473 02:27:41,480 --> 02:27:45,260 feelings? I don't think so. And when you talk about desire to be on reality TV, 2474 02:27:45,360 --> 02:27:47,000 I was talking about full circle. 2475 02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:51,720 I was 17 years old. I thought I was going to be on Survivor. I dropped out 2476 02:27:51,720 --> 02:27:53,780 school because I thought I was going to be on the show. 2477 02:27:54,040 --> 02:27:57,900 Never went on. But six months later, started charity with my friend that was 2478 02:27:57,900 --> 02:27:59,580 the show, whatever. We started traveling. 2479 02:28:00,620 --> 02:28:02,460 I wouldn't have dropped out of school if that didn't happen. I would have 2480 02:28:02,460 --> 02:28:05,380 started the business that I started. I would have never. I started working out 2481 02:28:05,380 --> 02:28:08,540 after surgery because I thought I was going to be on Survivor as a 17 -year 2482 02:28:08,540 --> 02:28:12,180 -old. Started my fitness journey. That was season, I think, 32. Now it's season 2483 02:28:12,180 --> 02:28:17,160 50, and they're doing the celebration for the same person from the show that 2484 02:28:17,160 --> 02:28:20,260 casted me. So I just was referencing how I thought that was full circle. I was 2485 02:28:20,260 --> 02:28:23,360 referencing how I thought I was so ready back then, but going into this show, I 2486 02:28:23,360 --> 02:28:25,420 didn't feel ready. It almost felt scary. 2487 02:28:25,860 --> 02:28:29,600 And as far as sacrificing what went into it, I was. 2488 02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:34,500 Those three days, those four days, all I was thinking was I wanted to make sure 2489 02:28:34,500 --> 02:28:39,480 that when I left this, I wouldn't, especially her family, because I hadn't 2490 02:28:39,480 --> 02:28:42,780 them yet, that we would both be able to watch this and be proud of what we 2491 02:28:42,780 --> 02:28:44,040 watched and how we treated each other. 2492 02:28:44,380 --> 02:28:48,160 So before I say anything else, I am going to take ownership to that and what 2493 02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:50,480 just talked about. I'm not going to beat around the bush, and I'm sorry if 2494 02:28:50,480 --> 02:28:55,820 that's playing with your emotions, all of this. This is not what the intention 2495 02:28:55,820 --> 02:29:00,190 was. a few days into Vancouver because I think it was very clear what we had in 2496 02:29:00,190 --> 02:29:03,590 Whistler. And I thought that was really cool. And it changed a little bit. I 2497 02:29:03,590 --> 02:29:06,790 wanted to go home. It didn't matter the money. It didn't matter the time. It 2498 02:29:06,790 --> 02:29:07,910 didn't matter the screen. What money? 2499 02:29:08,630 --> 02:29:11,870 You know, whatever it is. You're getting paid to be on TV or you're doing this 2500 02:29:11,870 --> 02:29:13,010 and that. That didn't matter anymore. 2501 02:29:13,310 --> 02:29:18,350 Guys, I'm just... I'm just your words, man. You know what I'm saying. It 2502 02:29:18,350 --> 02:29:20,870 matter what I'm doing. I said it doesn't matter what we're out here for. I'm 2503 02:29:20,870 --> 02:29:24,730 here. I don't want to be here anymore. And I'm struggling with this. And I 2504 02:29:24,730 --> 02:29:28,530 the... The next morning was the most difficult day for us, which was that 2505 02:29:28,530 --> 02:29:29,530 shopping day and afterwards. 2506 02:29:29,770 --> 02:29:33,470 Well, I do want to clear up for anyone listening or watching. No one here got 2507 02:29:33,470 --> 02:29:34,930 paid except for us. 2508 02:29:36,530 --> 02:29:41,870 And people truly showed up sincere, wanting to meet real connections and 2509 02:29:41,870 --> 02:29:45,770 people and see what they had in common. Quick question. Sure. 2510 02:29:46,210 --> 02:29:49,070 I have to get this off my chest. 2511 02:29:49,570 --> 02:29:52,190 This is something that I heard when we were filming. 2512 02:29:52,980 --> 02:29:58,760 And I just want to ask if anybody else had heard this, and sorry, Chris, but 2513 02:29:58,760 --> 02:30:05,220 at our mixer, the first mixer, right after we got back from our wine 2514 02:30:05,220 --> 02:30:11,280 date, there was talk that you had approached a couple, maybe just one 2515 02:30:11,280 --> 02:30:17,220 lady, I don't even know who it was, and said something to the effect of, hey, do 2516 02:30:17,220 --> 02:30:21,080 you want to make a pact to be together? 2517 02:30:21,770 --> 02:30:22,990 So that we can get to the end. 2518 02:30:23,570 --> 02:30:26,850 Was that true? Or did anybody else hear that? Yes, we heard it. Oh, you did? 2519 02:30:27,010 --> 02:30:31,830 Okay. So I'm not crazy. Correct. I was approached myself with that. 2520 02:30:32,290 --> 02:30:35,330 And I'm not going to say who it was, but I was approached myself with that. 2521 02:30:35,670 --> 02:30:39,370 And if you want to talk about PAC, the only thing I would ever speak about when 2522 02:30:39,370 --> 02:30:40,410 it comes to that was my... 2523 02:30:40,910 --> 02:30:43,950 being uncomfortable with sleeping with somebody and talking about my celibacy, 2524 02:30:44,090 --> 02:30:44,929 which wasn't shown. 2525 02:30:44,930 --> 02:30:48,590 That's why me and Leah were so comfortable. That's why we talked about 2526 02:30:48,590 --> 02:30:49,910 know, moving in, we're going to have some boundaries. 2527 02:30:50,510 --> 02:30:54,350 Well, going all the way from several years ago, and that's not a joke. You're 2528 02:30:54,350 --> 02:30:55,350 longer anymore? 2529 02:30:55,490 --> 02:30:56,610 Right now, I'm not, no. 2530 02:30:56,990 --> 02:30:58,650 Were you guys celibate? 2531 02:30:58,990 --> 02:31:00,550 We did not have sex. Okay. 2532 02:31:00,770 --> 02:31:01,770 But we did mess around. 2533 02:31:02,050 --> 02:31:04,210 Once. Okay. Not oral. 2534 02:31:04,410 --> 02:31:05,410 Not a big deal. 2535 02:31:06,170 --> 02:31:09,890 But that's his digress. But yes, I've heard that a lion's thing. 2536 02:31:10,680 --> 02:31:15,440 I mean, I'm not trying to stir the pot, but it's relevant to what it is that 2537 02:31:15,440 --> 02:31:18,740 we're talking about. Is there anyone else who wants to speak on this thing 2538 02:31:18,740 --> 02:31:21,800 Teresa brought up? Can we get a definition of celibacy? 2539 02:31:23,340 --> 02:31:29,560 First of all, celibacy and abstinence are two different things. Celibacy is a 2540 02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:33,100 lifestyle like a nun or a priest. It means I'm never going to go there. I'm 2541 02:31:33,100 --> 02:31:33,859 going to be romantic. 2542 02:31:33,860 --> 02:31:34,860 I'm not going to do anything. 2543 02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:39,420 Abstinence is for a set period of time, like you're saying, well, for religious 2544 02:31:39,420 --> 02:31:42,660 reasons or for my own clarity, I'm not having sex until this. 2545 02:31:42,990 --> 02:31:44,550 set period of time or this event. 2546 02:31:44,890 --> 02:31:49,790 So like with Vanellis, you think she's abstinent. So there's the difference. 2547 02:31:50,130 --> 02:31:54,490 It's often confused, but celibacy is a nun or priest. That's not what we're 2548 02:31:54,490 --> 02:31:55,490 dealing with here. 2549 02:31:55,530 --> 02:31:58,910 Abstinence is what we're dealing with on here. And you could be abstinent for a 2550 02:31:58,910 --> 02:32:02,150 damn day. You could be abstinent for, you know, a reason. As you all know, all 2551 02:32:02,150 --> 02:32:06,030 the men, we have a close relationship and I've talked to Chris and I, he even 2552 02:32:06,030 --> 02:32:10,190 said when we were in Vancouver to me, yo, I'm struggling. 2553 02:32:10,630 --> 02:32:11,630 I assume. 2554 02:32:12,370 --> 02:32:15,990 That's something that between them and they talk. Just like I assume any of our 2555 02:32:15,990 --> 02:32:19,710 relationships. It's funny that the ones that have broken down, it's 2556 02:32:19,710 --> 02:32:21,910 communication. And it's not ageist communication. 2557 02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:26,350 And the ones that are succeeding, they're seemingly able to communicate. 2558 02:32:26,590 --> 02:32:32,050 Now, I do feel, I mean, I think Teresa and John, look, they loved on each 2559 02:32:32,090 --> 02:32:36,490 I think everybody loved on each other. I do think that Leah deserved that. 2560 02:32:36,970 --> 02:32:38,250 And I do think that. 2561 02:32:38,590 --> 02:32:42,330 I think that the best of Chris would do that. For whatever reason that he 2562 02:32:42,330 --> 02:32:46,710 checked out, the one person that you owed to tell I'm checking out is to her. 2563 02:32:47,090 --> 02:32:50,750 But this is a life thing, man. We all make mistakes. 2564 02:32:50,950 --> 02:32:53,250 So I always still give Chris grace. 2565 02:32:53,690 --> 02:32:56,210 But I guess it's a learning experience. 2566 02:32:56,450 --> 02:32:59,150 I mean, this is the ride or die. You know what I'm saying? 2567 02:33:00,350 --> 02:33:04,310 My first protection was Vanilla, just like his was with Treece and his was 2568 02:33:04,310 --> 02:33:09,070 Libby and with Pfeiffer and with Vanessa. I think all the women kind of 2569 02:33:09,070 --> 02:33:12,450 that, yo, they had men that were in it with them. I think Leah thinks you ghost 2570 02:33:12,450 --> 02:33:15,410 her. And I just think it's a learning moment. Yeah, that's fair. 2571 02:33:15,970 --> 02:33:20,470 We do have to move on and we want to get to our happy couple. But we do have one 2572 02:33:20,470 --> 02:33:25,390 more big announcement to make that, Chris, you will be on next season of 2573 02:33:25,390 --> 02:33:27,930 Match. Do you hope to find your love there? 2574 02:33:28,380 --> 02:33:29,380 Yeah, that's the plan. 2575 02:33:29,640 --> 02:33:34,240 That's the plan. I messed this one up a little bit. I'm still grateful. And 2576 02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:38,080 Leah, to close that, I thank you for where we're at. Thank you for speaking 2577 02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:41,120 truth and hearing me. And I'm sorry for where we're at and how long it took to 2578 02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:41,679 get here. 2579 02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:45,780 But yeah, that's the idea. And I'm going in with the same mindset. I'm going to 2580 02:33:45,780 --> 02:33:46,679 try to be myself. 2581 02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:49,820 I'm going to try to be open, try to talk to as many people as I can 2582 02:33:49,820 --> 02:33:53,280 authentically. And if I find love, what a blessing. Can we expect a different 2583 02:33:53,280 --> 02:33:57,160 Chris? I hope so. I hope you see a more authentic Chris. I hope you see more of 2584 02:33:57,160 --> 02:34:02,400 me. and more my character, for sure. Okay. All right. I am myself, and on 2585 02:34:02,400 --> 02:34:06,180 show I've been myself. I was struggling with speaking my thoughts, and I hope 2586 02:34:06,180 --> 02:34:09,440 that you see a better communicative Chris on the next one. Okay. 2587 02:34:10,280 --> 02:34:14,960 For Vanessa and Logan's 20 -year age difference, they found love as hot and 2588 02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:18,960 passionate as the Fourth of July, even if it took a little while to ignite. 2589 02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:22,940 And as we always say here at The Vile Files, all you need is love, some pink 2590 02:34:22,940 --> 02:34:25,560 lipstick, and a confusing fake -out proposal. 2591 02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:30,640 That proposal was one for the ages. It was. It really was. 2592 02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:34,400 I mean, you've been engaged four times. That was the best one. That's one. 2593 02:34:34,700 --> 02:34:39,920 You can't beat that one. In your previous four proposals, and no shade 2594 02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:43,660 had a few engagements before I met my lovely wife. 2595 02:34:43,960 --> 02:34:49,640 But in your previous proposals, did you ever say, my friends were right about 2596 02:34:49,640 --> 02:34:50,640 you? 2597 02:34:51,260 --> 02:34:53,880 Yeah. I should have trusted my gut. 2598 02:34:55,380 --> 02:34:57,620 Yeah. Yeah, no, I did not say that. 2599 02:34:57,880 --> 02:35:02,080 Okay, have we set a wedding date? What is engagement looking like for you two? 2600 02:35:02,480 --> 02:35:06,400 No, we haven't set a wedding date. We're planning to move in first, and our 2601 02:35:06,400 --> 02:35:07,319 bogey's next fall. 2602 02:35:07,320 --> 02:35:11,920 So either she comes to Dallas or I go to Ohio. I've looked at jobs in Ohio, or 2603 02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:13,280 we start somewhere new. 2604 02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:15,520 So that's kind of our bogey. 2605 02:35:15,850 --> 02:35:20,490 Well, I mean, again, I think, you know, watching it back, a lot of people didn't 2606 02:35:20,490 --> 02:35:23,150 believe in you guys. Did you guys break up during filming? 2607 02:35:23,470 --> 02:35:25,050 Was that not real? 2608 02:35:25,710 --> 02:35:28,670 We had a little bump in the road. Okay. 2609 02:35:28,870 --> 02:35:33,370 Yeah. A little bit about my history. I would go on like three dates with a guy 2610 02:35:33,370 --> 02:35:37,270 and one little thing would go wrong and I would run away. And I did that with 2611 02:35:37,270 --> 02:35:40,630 Chris, you know, when I was talking to Chris. I was like, yep, that's it. I'm 2612 02:35:40,630 --> 02:35:42,310 out of here. And then I... 2613 02:35:42,680 --> 02:35:46,840 caught myself doing that with Logan over the whole optics thing, you know, like 2614 02:35:46,840 --> 02:35:52,320 I was ready to shut down and I had to come to Jesus moment where I was like, 2615 02:35:52,360 --> 02:35:56,580 this is what you always do. You shut down, you push someone away. And we had 2616 02:35:56,580 --> 02:36:01,100 good conversation and I was like, okay, you know, there's a good guy behind 2617 02:36:01,100 --> 02:36:04,960 here. I'm not going to run away. I'm going to push past my limitations. 2618 02:36:06,220 --> 02:36:10,280 Okay. Well, again, you guys, you know, you're here today. You're engaged. 2619 02:36:11,460 --> 02:36:13,600 How have you been able to make this relationship work? 2620 02:36:14,560 --> 02:36:21,520 It's constant communication, constant understanding and compromise on both 2621 02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:22,520 sides. 2622 02:36:22,820 --> 02:36:26,260 I'm not going to lie and sit here and pretend like it's all been roses and 2623 02:36:26,260 --> 02:36:29,200 butterflies because it hasn't. I mean, you know, we're in a distance 2624 02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:34,400 relationship and it's been tough. And what you see on the show, you know, you 2625 02:36:34,400 --> 02:36:36,240 see a lot of turmoil, a lot of up and down. 2626 02:36:37,510 --> 02:36:42,190 That's translated into real life, but at the end of the day, we've always come 2627 02:36:42,190 --> 02:36:46,370 back and met each other and strengthened our relationship. 2628 02:36:46,770 --> 02:36:51,910 I mean, we have gone through a lot of shit in the past nine months. When I say 2629 02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:58,290 lot of shit, that she had her best friend died in August. Her closest aunt 2630 02:36:58,290 --> 02:37:03,050 right before January 1st. My dad lost his leg a month back from filming. 2631 02:37:03,530 --> 02:37:07,770 I tore my Achilles three months from being back in Vancouver. I got surgery a 2632 02:37:07,770 --> 02:37:12,070 month later, and then I re -tore it again last month. So, you know, we're 2633 02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:17,210 all these hardships, but somehow we've managed to stay together. And, you know, 2634 02:37:17,250 --> 02:37:18,530 it's really, it's been awesome. 2635 02:37:18,910 --> 02:37:22,130 Do you feel like you've both been able to really show up and be a team in those 2636 02:37:22,130 --> 02:37:23,130 difficult moments? 2637 02:37:23,170 --> 02:37:28,230 You know, I've been sitting here, I've been listening to, you know, I'm older, 2638 02:37:28,370 --> 02:37:30,590 these ladies were older, these guys were younger, you know. 2639 02:37:31,100 --> 02:37:34,620 He's shutting down. He's not able to talk. He shut down. He wasn't able to 2640 02:37:34,740 --> 02:37:36,580 Does that happen with Logan sometimes? 2641 02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:42,300 Yes. But he's always able to pull himself back up after the bootstraps. I 2642 02:37:42,340 --> 02:37:46,420 he crashes out. I crash out. We both crash out. But at the end of the day, 2643 02:37:46,480 --> 02:37:52,640 we always come back to each other, you know, and it takes a lot of maturity on 2644 02:37:52,640 --> 02:37:57,040 his part. It takes a lot of patience on my part, you know, and patience on his 2645 02:37:57,040 --> 02:37:58,860 part, too, you know, but he's always. 2646 02:37:59,370 --> 02:38:04,670 showing up for me and I'm showing up for him I've been actually thinking about 2647 02:38:04,670 --> 02:38:08,930 this a lot as I just reflect on my life and things like that but they always say 2648 02:38:08,930 --> 02:38:12,790 like who you marry is a really important decision it will change your life 2649 02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:18,690 forever and I look back and like where I was before I met Natalie and just in 2650 02:38:18,690 --> 02:38:23,790 every measurable and meaningful way I have so much more in my life I'm curious 2651 02:38:23,790 --> 02:38:27,690 since you've been with Vanessa how has she changed your life for the better 2652 02:38:28,620 --> 02:38:34,960 She helped me approach things in a way that I knew 2653 02:38:34,960 --> 02:38:40,820 certain areas of my life weren't going to be the same forever, like constantly 2654 02:38:40,820 --> 02:38:45,860 going out with my friends on weekends and just looking for the fun thing to 2655 02:38:46,020 --> 02:38:50,440 You know, I know that, you know, how you live your life in your early 20s isn't 2656 02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:53,280 necessary. That's a short era. 2657 02:38:53,580 --> 02:38:56,680 And, you know, since being with Vanessa, she's. 2658 02:38:56,890 --> 02:39:03,210 She's pulled me in a direction that I always knew was there for me, but I 2659 02:39:03,210 --> 02:39:04,750 necessarily following that road. 2660 02:39:04,950 --> 02:39:09,970 And since being with Vanessa, I've started thinking more of what's down the 2661 02:39:09,970 --> 02:39:11,650 line. What do I want more for myself? 2662 02:39:11,950 --> 02:39:17,310 Am I doing some things short term or doing them long term? So she's helped 2663 02:39:17,310 --> 02:39:23,590 elevate me in ways that I've wanted to do myself, but I haven't been able to. 2664 02:39:24,360 --> 02:39:29,380 The conversation of children was brought up when you met your parents. Your mom 2665 02:39:29,380 --> 02:39:33,640 was very much vocal about how much she wanted her grandkids. Has that been a 2666 02:39:33,640 --> 02:39:36,360 topic of discussion since you've been out of the... 2667 02:39:37,260 --> 02:39:42,820 bubble yeah well we already got gypsy rose so yeah that's that's my little 2668 02:39:42,820 --> 02:39:49,240 she has black hair she looks like her dad yeah yeah no and and we get a lot of 2669 02:39:49,240 --> 02:39:54,040 practice we try every time it's all that fourth of july yeah right right fourth 2670 02:39:54,040 --> 02:39:59,500 of july yeah yeah a million minutes multiple times how did you feel about 2671 02:39:59,500 --> 02:40:04,840 world uh hearing that moment you know if we know 2672 02:40:06,180 --> 02:40:10,260 Baby, let him know. I know. It was the first time. 2673 02:40:10,700 --> 02:40:15,120 First of all, I haven't been with anyone in a year. I don't know how long it's 2674 02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:16,980 been for him, so it's been a long time. 2675 02:40:17,380 --> 02:40:18,900 Tell him how it is now. 2676 02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:21,420 Obviously, it's amazing now. 2677 02:40:21,640 --> 02:40:24,920 Obviously, it's amazing now. Well, the truth is, you know, there's a tight 2678 02:40:24,920 --> 02:40:29,680 window between, come on, versus, like, you know. 2679 02:40:31,220 --> 02:40:34,780 Yeah, no, it had honestly been a while, and I'm not. 2680 02:40:35,310 --> 02:40:39,570 you know i was just trying to you're super into your woman you know yeah i 2681 02:40:39,570 --> 02:40:44,650 was ready to go and man when i saw that i almost threw up i started jacking i 2682 02:40:44,650 --> 02:40:49,110 was like i had to pause it the other day this was wednesday and i like ran to 2683 02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:50,470 the bathroom and i stood over the toilet 2684 02:40:53,180 --> 02:40:54,460 And I had to catch myself. 2685 02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:59,560 Yeah. That's how I do it. Yeah, that's how I should have done it. Well, they 2686 02:40:59,560 --> 02:41:02,660 said, no, they're not going to play anything. It's just for, you know, 2687 02:41:02,960 --> 02:41:03,960 It's safety reasons. 2688 02:41:04,260 --> 02:41:04,799 It's safety. 2689 02:41:04,800 --> 02:41:05,800 It's safety reasons. 2690 02:41:06,900 --> 02:41:08,820 It's like, what do you believe in, man? 2691 02:41:09,700 --> 02:41:10,700 Yeah. 2692 02:41:10,740 --> 02:41:11,740 Yeah, whatever. 2693 02:41:11,840 --> 02:41:15,180 He's made up for it. He's made up for it. We're moving past it. 2694 02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:16,479 He's making it up for it. 2695 02:41:16,480 --> 02:41:19,620 I think you just got to own it, man. Oh, yeah. No, I don't care. This shit's 2696 02:41:19,620 --> 02:41:21,130 fire. Why do you think I put a ring on it? on it. 2697 02:41:21,490 --> 02:41:25,290 I didn't get five rings for nothing. 2698 02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:30,770 Is this the same ring that he gave you? Yes, this is my ring. 2699 02:41:31,430 --> 02:41:38,250 I wasn't able to wear it, so anyone who's seen me in the last nine months, 2700 02:41:38,410 --> 02:41:41,490 it was because we had to keep everything quiet for the show. 2701 02:41:41,790 --> 02:41:43,290 Obviously, we can't wedding plan. 2702 02:41:43,710 --> 02:41:44,710 A, 2703 02:41:45,010 --> 02:41:47,950 we've had all the things that we've been through. B, how do we plan a wedding 2704 02:41:47,950 --> 02:41:52,690 when we... Can't even tell people about it. And now, you know, things are out in 2705 02:41:52,690 --> 02:41:56,270 the open and we can start to move forward and get things set up for the 2706 02:41:56,470 --> 02:42:00,650 You know, Logan, you've got to close this thing, you know. Yeah. More 2707 02:42:00,650 --> 02:42:03,510 engagements. I know, right? I know. 2708 02:42:04,290 --> 02:42:05,770 We've got to follow through. 2709 02:42:06,010 --> 02:42:07,010 Right. Okay. 2710 02:42:07,550 --> 02:42:12,790 Absolutely. In all seriousness, I am curious. During filming, you had opened 2711 02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:15,550 to Vanessa about feeling like she 2712 02:42:16,350 --> 02:42:20,070 kind of talk down to you every once in a while. And maybe that came from a place 2713 02:42:20,070 --> 02:42:21,870 of just lived experiences. 2714 02:42:22,270 --> 02:42:25,550 But that is obviously something that I think couples in age difference 2715 02:42:25,550 --> 02:42:29,590 relationships, whether they mean it or not, like have to kind of find that 2716 02:42:29,590 --> 02:42:33,530 balance. Like where one person might feel like, hey, I'm just like talking 2717 02:42:33,530 --> 02:42:36,110 my experience while the other person feels like you're being a little 2718 02:42:36,110 --> 02:42:39,790 condescending. How have you guys been able to figure out that balance? 2719 02:42:40,270 --> 02:42:44,590 Like I said before, you know, it's the constant communication. 2720 02:42:45,480 --> 02:42:49,860 And Jorge kind of touched on this a little bit earlier about how sometimes 2721 02:42:49,860 --> 02:42:53,500 you're not presenting things in the right way and you're getting feedback, 2722 02:42:53,500 --> 02:42:57,700 you've got to take a step back and pivot and figure out a way to really, really 2723 02:42:57,700 --> 02:42:59,700 be understood with your partner. 2724 02:43:00,190 --> 02:43:03,770 And I will say this, at dinner, they didn't show it, Nick, but at the dinner 2725 02:43:03,770 --> 02:43:07,710 with, you know, the infamous dinner with Teresa and Leah, you asked me a 2726 02:43:07,710 --> 02:43:11,370 question about a power dynamic at that dinner. It was a really good question. 2727 02:43:11,410 --> 02:43:15,810 And Vanessa talked about it after because she felt some type of way about 2728 02:43:15,870 --> 02:43:19,450 You know, she was like, damn it, Nick Vile. And we were cracking up about it. 2729 02:43:19,470 --> 02:43:25,390 But it was really good because that was one of the things that helped me kind of 2730 02:43:25,390 --> 02:43:27,390 show to her what... 2731 02:43:28,040 --> 02:43:33,000 And basically, I don't want to say plead my case, but some of the influences 2732 02:43:33,000 --> 02:43:38,860 that helped shape us. And, you know, because it's not always, I can't do 2733 02:43:38,860 --> 02:43:40,160 everything myself. 2734 02:43:40,380 --> 02:43:45,660 Sometimes I feel a certain way when she says things and I need other people to 2735 02:43:45,660 --> 02:43:49,940 talk to Derek about, hey, what am I seeing here and what am I missing? And 2736 02:43:49,940 --> 02:43:55,720 people to help guide you when, you know, sometimes it's just you and the other 2737 02:43:55,720 --> 02:43:56,720 person all the time. 2738 02:43:57,120 --> 02:44:00,540 And you can't communicate perfectly all the time. So that helped. 2739 02:44:01,020 --> 02:44:05,620 You know what's funny is Logan snuck up to my room when we were in Vancouver 2740 02:44:05,620 --> 02:44:09,800 because he was going through a moment, right? And you know what's funny is we 2741 02:44:09,800 --> 02:44:15,080 all would joke him like, he and Vanessa, they ain't going to make it. 2742 02:44:15,300 --> 02:44:20,320 He's a last -minute shot. And they have withstood the test of time. And I think 2743 02:44:20,320 --> 02:44:23,280 a large part of it, I even think Vanessa touched on it. 2744 02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:27,280 I'm amazed at the emotional maturity that he has shown. I mean, and he's gone 2745 02:44:27,280 --> 02:44:31,820 through it, but he stayed the course, and his communication has been 2746 02:44:32,060 --> 02:44:34,300 So, I mean, I think they're dope. 2747 02:44:34,540 --> 02:44:37,200 I'm going to be at their wedding. You are. We're going to let you officiate. 2748 02:44:37,340 --> 02:44:38,339 Amen. 2749 02:44:38,340 --> 02:44:43,120 Wow. Yeah. And the thing is, like, I'm super OCD and he's ADD. 2750 02:44:43,360 --> 02:44:46,820 So it's like, you know, you put those letters together and it's the word 2751 02:44:46,820 --> 02:44:47,820 alphabet soup, man. 2752 02:44:48,220 --> 02:44:49,680 And Derek knows. 2753 02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:52,280 He lives my life. I show up on time everywhere. 2754 02:44:52,940 --> 02:44:57,560 And it's hard. And then sometimes it feels like I'm being bossy to him 2755 02:44:57,560 --> 02:44:59,240 want him to hurry up and get ready or whatever. 2756 02:44:59,480 --> 02:45:03,720 And he was on time today, though. He did really well today. I'm very proud of 2757 02:45:03,720 --> 02:45:09,820 him. him but it's it was only 10 minutes that's early 2758 02:45:09,820 --> 02:45:16,760 logan how did it feel obviously vanessa talked about you know she she had this 2759 02:45:16,760 --> 02:45:20,240 connection with chris for a moment Chris is your boy. 2760 02:45:20,480 --> 02:45:22,620 How did it feel watching that scene back? 2761 02:45:22,900 --> 02:45:24,480 Oh, it got awful. I wanted to punch him in the face. 2762 02:45:24,940 --> 02:45:28,000 And then when she reposted on Instagram story, I was like, babe, come on. And 2763 02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:31,540 then he reposted it. I was like, if you guys, if I see this picture one more 2764 02:45:31,540 --> 02:45:35,020 time, I'm going to crash out. And it's been 48 hours. 2765 02:45:35,280 --> 02:45:36,280 That's what they sent me. 2766 02:45:36,620 --> 02:45:39,580 That wasn't what the marketing sent me. He's got a thousand pictures. That's the 2767 02:45:39,580 --> 02:45:40,580 one you posted? Right. 2768 02:45:40,800 --> 02:45:43,780 I'm like, guys, can we please? I love you. I love you. 2769 02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:48,120 That's the video marketing. That picture, you can market the show without 2770 02:45:48,120 --> 02:45:51,600 picture. Posted a picture of you guys kissing? When I see her white 2771 02:45:51,600 --> 02:45:55,500 like, grabbing his face, I'm like, damn, dude, I'm about to... When I called him 2772 02:45:55,500 --> 02:45:58,500 last about the show, like, we were all talking about the scene. It's not so 2773 02:45:58,500 --> 02:46:00,800 great scene. So I'm like, yo, yo, like, you okay? How you feeling? 2774 02:46:16,090 --> 02:46:17,090 Vanessa, 2775 02:46:25,690 --> 02:46:29,150 what do you hope people learn from watching you and Logan fall in love? 2776 02:46:29,660 --> 02:46:33,360 So for me, you know, I've been thinking about this a lot. Like, you know, older 2777 02:46:33,360 --> 02:46:36,940 men have been dating younger women since the beginning of time. But older women 2778 02:46:36,940 --> 02:46:40,300 dating a younger man is, like, still frowned upon in society. 2779 02:46:40,520 --> 02:46:45,720 So, like, I'm hoping that people can see this and feel like this is okay and we 2780 02:46:45,720 --> 02:46:50,520 don't have to be ashamed of it. And that women could be, you know, have all of 2781 02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:54,980 it together and be with somebody younger. And it doesn't diminish your 2782 02:46:54,980 --> 02:46:56,400 the person you're with's value. 2783 02:46:57,040 --> 02:47:01,400 I watched the whole thing yesterday and at the end, everybody was talking about 2784 02:47:01,400 --> 02:47:04,180 like the age difference and the age difference, the age difference. And 2785 02:47:04,180 --> 02:47:07,840 honestly, the whole time I was there, the age thing just went right over my 2786 02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:12,140 head. And I was like, was I supposed to be thinking more about this age distance 2787 02:47:12,140 --> 02:47:16,780 thing? Cause I wasn't, I was just like living in the moment with this person, 2788 02:47:16,800 --> 02:47:18,780 with this soul that I never like. 2789 02:47:19,260 --> 02:47:23,840 really thought about it you know and we got home and I still never really 2790 02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:29,240 thought about it and then yesterday watching the episodes I'm like oh I 2791 02:47:29,240 --> 02:47:33,360 missed something here but I'm almost kind of glad that I was like oblivious 2792 02:47:33,360 --> 02:47:38,200 it because it was allowed me to put my guard down and not let outside influence 2793 02:47:38,200 --> 02:47:43,460 affect me and since I've been home I mean I had a 50th birthday party I had 2794 02:47:43,460 --> 02:47:49,189 people there he met everyone not one person was like he's too young for you 2795 02:47:49,189 --> 02:47:51,830 loved him. They thought he was the maitre d' of the place. 2796 02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:55,790 If age was a factor, then we wouldn't have all the connections that we have. 2797 02:47:55,950 --> 02:48:00,830 Exactly. The fact is, if age is a factor, it's funny to me because then 2798 02:48:00,830 --> 02:48:01,830 us would have been like, oh, no. 2799 02:48:02,090 --> 02:48:06,370 Just in talking because it just doesn't work. But we dispelled that myth easily 2800 02:48:06,370 --> 02:48:10,930 because people make connections and really lasting connections. I mean, and 2801 02:48:10,930 --> 02:48:13,670 connections. And so then it became just relational issues. 2802 02:48:14,050 --> 02:48:16,990 Relation has nothing to do with it. So that's why all these people out there 2803 02:48:16,990 --> 02:48:18,550 making their comments. I'm like, you're lonely. 2804 02:48:18,750 --> 02:48:20,030 Why don't you go find somebody, okay? 2805 02:48:20,650 --> 02:48:23,670 You're at home in the computer by yourself. Right, right. 2806 02:48:24,830 --> 02:48:29,390 Well, Vanessa and Logan, we obviously are just so happy that the two of you 2807 02:48:29,390 --> 02:48:32,690 still here together putting in the work. It is really beautiful to see. 2808 02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:34,190 Thank you. 2809 02:48:34,470 --> 02:48:36,510 Let us know when y 'all sit away. 2810 02:48:36,870 --> 02:48:39,710 Yeah. Wait, why can't we officiate? Yeah, you should. 2811 02:48:40,550 --> 02:48:41,830 Maybe we should do it. Jorge. 2812 02:48:42,090 --> 02:48:45,530 I just got a list. All right, we'll punch you as one of the folks. 2813 02:48:46,070 --> 02:48:47,590 I'm no PK, you know. 2814 02:48:48,270 --> 02:48:49,270 I'm no PK. 2815 02:48:49,450 --> 02:48:51,250 No, but you're good, though. He'll be the party planner. 2816 02:48:51,570 --> 02:48:52,710 He knows what's up. 2817 02:48:53,040 --> 02:48:56,740 All right. Well, before we send you all on your way, does anyone have any final 2818 02:48:56,740 --> 02:48:58,160 thoughts or things they want to share? 2819 02:48:58,720 --> 02:48:59,720 I do. 2820 02:49:00,160 --> 02:49:05,280 I'm very, very grateful for this experiment. I was single for about four 2821 02:49:05,280 --> 02:49:10,160 before I went into this. I was abstinent for about a year before I went into it. 2822 02:49:10,200 --> 02:49:14,580 And I was moving forward. I didn't want to do that until I found somebody I 2823 02:49:14,580 --> 02:49:16,400 really loved and I wanted to be with. 2824 02:49:17,290 --> 02:49:21,110 I don't know. I said this on the show, but my mom had cancer. She was sick for 2825 02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:23,570 two years and she passed kind of before the show. 2826 02:49:23,770 --> 02:49:26,590 And this just really saved me. And I don't want to cry. 2827 02:49:26,890 --> 02:49:27,930 I'm not a crier. 2828 02:49:28,350 --> 02:49:31,750 But this just really saved me. And Logan saved me. And I prayed for an angel 2829 02:49:31,750 --> 02:49:32,750 every day. 2830 02:49:32,970 --> 02:49:35,650 And here he is. 2831 02:49:35,850 --> 02:49:38,090 Your mom would be so proud. She would love him. 2832 02:49:38,310 --> 02:49:42,410 You've been true to yourself. You've been so strong, so brave throughout the 2833 02:49:42,410 --> 02:49:43,410 whole process. 2834 02:49:43,950 --> 02:49:44,950 He would be very proud. 2835 02:49:44,970 --> 02:49:51,610 I think thanks to Age of Attraction because Age of Attraction, what it gave 2836 02:49:51,610 --> 02:49:55,990 was so much more than just even our own connections and the connections we made 2837 02:49:55,990 --> 02:50:00,690 with men, women. I think it's like the gift that keeps on giving and it 2838 02:50:00,690 --> 02:50:04,730 dispelled myths that I always believed in. So I think the Age of Attraction was 2839 02:50:04,730 --> 02:50:05,730 an amazing experience. 2840 02:50:06,110 --> 02:50:07,690 Wouldn't trade it for the world. 2841 02:50:07,950 --> 02:50:11,990 And I wanted to give a shout out to Logan. We live in the same building in 2842 02:50:11,990 --> 02:50:12,990 Dallas. 2843 02:50:13,920 --> 02:50:18,140 And it was not really seen on the show, but I had my question marks about them. 2844 02:50:18,360 --> 02:50:20,240 But I've seen him grow so much. 2845 02:50:20,520 --> 02:50:26,020 And he'll come knock on my door with a bottle of wine. And I think that that 2846 02:50:26,020 --> 02:50:30,160 takes a lot, man, to say, you know what? I don't understand this part about, you 2847 02:50:30,160 --> 02:50:33,440 know, the relationship. Can you help me as a big brother? So I've seen him grow 2848 02:50:33,440 --> 02:50:34,339 through that process. 2849 02:50:34,340 --> 02:50:35,980 And I'm proud of him. Appreciate it. 2850 02:50:36,520 --> 02:50:37,499 Grateful for you. 2851 02:50:37,500 --> 02:50:39,300 Anyone else before we wrap? 2852 02:50:40,400 --> 02:50:44,400 Okay. Well, I just want to thank all of you for your vulnerability, showing up. 2853 02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:49,040 Obviously, this show means a great deal to us, and what this show's about means 2854 02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:50,040 even more. 2855 02:50:50,360 --> 02:50:54,800 You know, age obviously can play a role in relationships and compatibility and 2856 02:50:54,800 --> 02:50:57,940 certainly can play a role in how we communicate or how we don't communicate. 2857 02:50:58,360 --> 02:51:01,900 But that's what I love so much about this show. It's more about our 2858 02:51:01,900 --> 02:51:05,080 compatibility and how we work through some of these issues and acknowledging 2859 02:51:05,080 --> 02:51:07,320 that sometimes age does play a role. 2860 02:51:07,710 --> 02:51:11,230 when it comes to love? And are we going to allow it to be the end of our 2861 02:51:11,230 --> 02:51:15,610 relationship or something we work through? So to me, this show is more 2862 02:51:15,610 --> 02:51:19,450 understanding how we work through our challenges and our relationships. 2863 02:51:20,130 --> 02:51:23,330 And I just want to thank you all for being so vulnerable and open. 2864 02:51:23,570 --> 02:51:25,270 Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you. 2865 02:51:25,770 --> 02:51:29,550 You will always mean a lot to us. We certainly hope for many more seasons, 2866 02:51:29,550 --> 02:51:31,930 you guys will always be number one in our hearts. 2867 02:51:32,690 --> 02:51:34,810 You better say that in five years. 2868 02:51:36,460 --> 02:51:40,100 Well, I think that just about does it for the Age of Attraction Season 1 2869 02:51:40,100 --> 02:51:45,320 reunion. Thank you so much to the entire cast, our team, and Netflix for giving 2870 02:51:45,320 --> 02:51:48,020 us the opportunity to do this. It's been so much fun. 2871 02:51:48,280 --> 02:51:54,860 And always remember, age is sometimes just a number. And sometimes it's not. 2872 02:51:54,860 --> 02:51:55,860 that's love for you. 2873 02:51:56,280 --> 02:51:57,280 Thank you, everybody. 2874 02:51:57,480 --> 02:51:58,480 Bye. 2875 02:51:59,400 --> 02:52:00,460 That was great. 2876 02:52:02,180 --> 02:52:03,180 Good job, guys. 2877 02:52:03,380 --> 02:52:04,380 And that's a wrap.