1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,800 (crowd cheering) (crowd screaming) 2 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,360 (Drums playing) - [Boy George] Woo! 3 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,720 (crowd cheering) (crowd screaming) 4 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,820 - This picture, truly one of the most unusual ever filmed, 5 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,380 contains scenes which under no circumstances 6 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:51,980 should be viewed by anyone with a heart condition 7 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,820 or anyone who is easily upset. 8 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,980 (crowd cheering) (crowd screaming) 9 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,940 We urgently recommend that if you are such a person, 10 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,380 or the parent of a young or impressionable child 11 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,100 now in attendance, that you and the child 12 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,500 leave the auditorium. 13 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,980 (crowd screaming) (feet stomping) 14 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,480 - Ooh, ooh. Right, that's off. 15 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,940 I don't particularly like talking about the past. 16 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,940 Anyway, we'll deal with it. 17 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,340 I'll deal with it as I feel, like... 18 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,020 Emotionally today, I'll just deal with it. 19 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,780 - Okay - I think you should just 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,540 film everything rather than being so rigid about things. 21 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,020 Even this, I wish, you know, 22 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,220 why are you not filming all of it? 23 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,940 I can't stand that whole feeling of like, 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,100 "Oh, it's only going to be about this." 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,220 So, yeah, we'll see how it goes. 26 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:38,980 Are you asking the questions, Al? 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,980 - Yes. - Boy George, take one, mark. 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:41,820 (clapperboard snaps) 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,679 - Have you fired the other guy? (snickering) 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,760 - [Producer] No. (laughing) 31 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:47,740 - The worst thing is when you're late in Japan 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,840 they get really offended. 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,380 I've been saying I don't give a damn 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,279 for the last twenty minutes. 35 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,540 But now I'm starting to get worried. 36 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:55,820 I don't want to upset them. 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,920 When you first encounter fame, it's such a distraction. 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,180 - Come on! 39 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,520 - [Boy George] Fame can get in the way a bit. 40 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,080 And it did for me. 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,140 And the others as much as me. 42 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:12,980 (crowd cheering) 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,540 (upbeat music) 44 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:17,740 Because everybody wanted me to be on TV. 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,140 Everybody wanted to interview me. 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,340 Everybody wanted to photograph me. 47 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,020 And so my life became about promoting me. 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:31,120 (drums banging) (crowd cheering) 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,780 You know, and I always felt like how did this happen? 50 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,660 (upbeat music) 51 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,540 - What on Earth is that? 52 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:44,580 - How did me, George from Eltham, end up, you know, 53 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,420 shaking hands with Frank Sinatra 54 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,840 and Sammy Davis Jr and meeting Lady Diana and just... 55 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,740 You know, getting arrested, going to prison? 56 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:54,820 Fucking this, that and the other. 57 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:56,780 Flying on Concorde, all these mad things. 58 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,180 (crowd screaming) (upbeat music continues) 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,280 It's kind of been insane. 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,820 Of course I wanted to do it, 61 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:10,400 but the way it happened was very accidental. 62 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,620 It was really just like this happened and that happened, 63 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,260 which is kind of life. (upbeat music continues) 64 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,600 I feel like it was destiny. 65 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:27,120 I stumbled into it, 'cause I fancied the drummer. (laughter) 66 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:29,620 Hey... 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,280 (upbeat music) 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,840 (crowd screaming) (crowd cheering) 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,020 ♪ Desolate loving in your eyes ♪ 70 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,980 ♪ You used to make my life so sweet ♪ 71 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,180 ♪ Step out like a God-found child ♪ 72 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,140 ♪ I saw your eyes across the street ♪ 73 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,780 ♪ Who would be the fool to take you to ♪ 74 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,100 ♪ Be more than just kind, yeah ♪ 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,740 ♪ To stare into a life of maybe ♪ 76 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,980 ♪ Love is hard to find ♪ 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,260 ♪ In the church of the poison mind ♪ 78 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,420 ♪ Church of the poison mind ♪ 79 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,520 ♪ Church of the poison mind ♪ 80 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,060 ♪ In the church of the poison mind ♪ 81 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,020 ♪ Watch me clinging to the beat ♪ 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,020 ♪ I had to fight to make it mine ♪ 83 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,940 ♪ That religion you could sink in neat ♪ 84 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,100 ♪ Just move your feet and you'll feel fine ♪ 85 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,500 ♪ Who would be the fool to maybe ♪ 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,260 ♪ Trick a kiss in time, yeah ♪ 87 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,580 ♪ Who am I to say that's crazy ♪ 88 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,020 ♪ Love will make you blind ♪ 89 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,740 ♪ In the church of the poison mind ♪ 90 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:58,620 ♪ Church of the poison mind ♪ 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,340 ♪ In the church of the poison mind ♪ 92 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,380 ♪ Church of the poison mind ♪ 93 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,660 ♪ In the church of the poison ♪ 94 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,420 ♪ In the church of the ♪ 95 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,580 ♪ Poison ♪ 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,760 ♪ Poison ♪ 97 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,780 (drum crescendo) 98 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,740 (crowd screaming) 99 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:21,840 ♪ Mind ♪ 100 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,760 (crowd screaming) (crowd cheering) 101 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:40,860 And don't come too close 102 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,500 'cause otherwise you'll knock me and I'll go flying... 103 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,580 - Okay. - And then I'll scream at you. 104 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,220 - [Producer] 27, take one. (clapperboard clicks) 105 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,180 Right, we're off again. 106 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:49,140 (upbeat reggae music) 107 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,340 - I was always singing when I was a kid. 108 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,980 I was always singing like, Irish show tunes. 109 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,600 Roll out the barrel. Whatever. 110 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,120 You know, and then sort of Bowie songs and I was like, 111 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,160 obsessed with Siouxsie and the Banshees. 112 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,220 Yeah. 113 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,820 I'm a goth that accidentally ended up in a pop band. 114 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,020 It's very upsetting. 115 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,380 ♪ Oh yeah, yeah ♪ 116 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,860 - I like everything. 117 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,060 So, I was listening to The Clash. 118 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,460 But I was also listening to Gladys Knight. 119 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,820 ♪ Bourgie, Bourgie ♪ 120 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,300 - When I saw David Bowie or Mark Bolan, 121 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,580 it was such an exciting thing to see, you know, 122 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,460 that there were other people that were a little bit 123 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,560 left of centre, you know. 124 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,580 ♪ Go to see him when the sun goes down ♪ 125 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,780 - Matthew Ashman who was in Bow Wow Wow... 126 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,060 Matthew used to always say to me, "Your voice is amazing." 127 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,340 "I wish you were in Bow Wow Wow." 128 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,860 ♪ So sweet, you make my mouth... ♪ 129 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,660 - He must have said something to Malcolm McLaren 130 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,780 and Malcolm got me into Bow Wow Wow to piss off Annabella. 131 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,500 He thought, I'll get this guy in who looks like a girl. 132 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,600 She'll buck up her ideas. 133 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,300 I just remember being terrified, then being pushed out 134 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,900 onto the stage and then just going, 135 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,340 (gasps) "Ooh, I like it out here." 136 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,460 I was getting booed. 137 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,540 (reggae music) 138 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,740 And I swung the mic. 139 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,780 I swung the mic over the crowd and f'ed and blinded 140 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,100 and threatened everyone and they fired me. 141 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,300 (reggae music continues) 142 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,440 - My parents are Jamaican immigrants. 143 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,580 And could you do another one with the glasses on? 144 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,380 - [Crew] Yep, yeah, yeah. 145 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,460 - And they had to pay, you know, this mortgage. 146 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,560 It doesn't work with the glasses. 147 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,180 So, they would have these blues parties like, 148 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,980 once every couple of months or so. 149 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Charge people to come in, and that influenced me a lot. 150 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,560 And when I hit my teens, a friend arrived at my house 151 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,440 with a bass. 152 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,780 And I started playing, putting the needle on the record 153 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,220 and playing along with it. 154 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,980 Mainly Bob Marley stuff. 155 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,520 (punk music) 156 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,460 There was such an economic depression 157 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,820 around that time, sort of mid to late '70s. 158 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,540 And the reaction to that was punk. 159 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,900 ♪ I needed money 'cause I had none ♪ 160 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,140 ♪ I fought the law and the law won ♪ 161 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,300 ♪ I fought the law and the law won ♪ 162 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,540 ♪ Killed my baby, felt so bad ♪ 163 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,540 - And then things began to merge. 164 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,700 People who were listening to punk 165 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,800 started to listen to reggae. 166 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,420 The Clash introduced a lot of punks to reggae. 167 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,000 ♪ I fought the law but... ♪ 168 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,900 - Everything started to merge there. 169 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,300 (reggae playing) 170 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,120 - [Boy George] There was a lot of darkness in the '70s. 171 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,760 You know, it was still a very repressive culture. 172 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,020 I heard reggae music on the radio. 173 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,380 I fell in love with it the minute I heard it. 174 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,420 ♪ Stand strong black skin ♪ 175 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,500 ♪ And take your blow ♪ 176 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,300 - [Boy George] It was angry music. 177 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,580 ♪ It's the Ku Klux Klan ♪ 178 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:14,740 - It was a music with a message. 179 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,840 It had a political, you know, aspect to it and I loved that. 180 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,960 (reggae music) 181 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,940 And, of course, you know, a lot of the punk gigs, 182 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,140 there would be reggae bands supporting punk acts. 183 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:35,020 Rock Against Racism, the whole kind of outsider thing. 184 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,380 It was quite punky to be a dreadlocks. 185 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,620 ♪ Rock against racism ♪ 186 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:42,580 ♪ Rock against fascism ♪ 187 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:46,060 - If punk was a reaction to the economic downturn, 188 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,120 then new romanticism was a reaction to punk. 189 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,860 It's a way of forgetting about your troubles, 190 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,620 just to glam up and enjoy yourself. 191 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,140 - I like mascara. 192 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,060 (new wave music) 193 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,240 - When I met George, I walked into this neon-lit place 194 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,780 with punks, new romantics, skinheads. 195 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,300 Everything you can imagine. 196 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,020 (new wave music continues) 197 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,500 (crowd chatter) 198 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,600 - I was DJ'ing at the Planet 199 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,900 and Mikey had read about me being fired 200 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,380 from Bow Wow Wow and the Melody Maker 201 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,480 and he came to find me. 202 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,060 - I approached George and I said, 203 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,200 "Look, do you want to get a band together? 204 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,000 And he said, "Yeah, all right." 205 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,260 - And that was it. 206 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,900 The beginning of the band was that night 207 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,620 when Mikey walked up to me and goes, 208 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:45,460 "Can you sing?" 209 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:47,580 And I was like, "Yeah. I was in Bow Wow Wow." 210 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:49,420 He goes, "Yeah, I read about you being fired." 211 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,980 And I was like, "Mm, bitchy." 212 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,900 And he was like, "Do you want to start a band?" 213 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,300 And I was like, "Okay." 214 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,320 You know, that's really when it started. 215 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,980 - George called me and said, "Look, I've got this guy, 216 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,100 Jon Suede, who's a guitarist. 217 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,540 So, the three of us can get together and start, you know, 218 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,640 writing some stuff." 219 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,040 Then it was going along okay but we had no drummer. 220 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,940 - I'd gone on a date with this guy called Les Daly, 221 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,780 who was the editor of "My Guy." 222 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,420 He goes, "Well, come up to the office, have a look round." 223 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,260 I was fascinated, it was a magazine. 224 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,740 You know, I was really excited. 225 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,460 And on the wall there was a picture of Jon. 226 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:28,439 And he goes, "What do you think of him?" 227 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:29,620 And I said, "Oh, I know who that is. 228 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,220 He's a drummer from London." 229 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,780 I might have even said, "Oh, I think he's going to be 230 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,540 in my band," me completely, like, winging it. (laughing) 231 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,540 (gentle music) 232 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,400 I rang him up and we had the most bizarre conversation. 233 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,980 I was like, "You know, I'm starting this band. 234 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,020 And we've got a rehearsal on Sunday in Elephant and Castle. 235 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,180 Do you want to come?" 236 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,780 He turns up. Didn't think he was going to come. 237 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,900 He turns up in this like, you know, very expensive 238 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,940 Golf Convertible with this... 239 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,720 Stinking of beautiful perfume with his earrings in. 240 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,920 And, yeah, it was love at first sight basically. 241 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,560 (romantic music) 242 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,340 - So I went down, there's this place in Burrough 243 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,080 which in those days was very run down. 244 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,599 Appropriately for George, 245 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,680 I think it was a costumier's place. 246 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,020 And I think there was a few life size puppets. 247 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,240 I hate puppets. Puppets are weird. 248 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,900 The whole setting was like really weird. 249 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,140 It was like walking into another world. 250 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,020 (romantic music continues) 251 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:49,120 With a beautiful, exotic creature. Really attracted to him. 252 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,520 Like a crush, you know. 253 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,120 Although I'd never had a relationship with a man before. 254 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,460 And I was absolutely smitten. 255 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:03,820 (upbeat music) 256 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,900 ♪ Whoo ♪ 257 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,500 ♪ Whoo ♪ 258 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,740 ♪ Downtown, we'll drown... ♪ 259 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,060 When I met Jon, Jon was so kind of... 260 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,420 Almost a bit flirtatious and provocative. 261 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,380 I mean he wasn't some like uptight, straight guy 262 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,780 that was like, lured into some evil world by me. 263 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,180 I mean he was as much a part of it as I was. 264 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,180 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 265 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,340 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 266 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,620 You know, there was an instant flirtation between us. 267 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,620 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 268 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,700 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 269 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,180 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 270 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,460 - So we had this sort of rehearsal 271 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:45,420 and I think I put a hand on his knee 272 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,020 and he put his hand on my knee 273 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,260 and it was like, whoa. 274 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,660 It was really exciting. (laughing) 275 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:51,940 It's very exciting. 276 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,660 ♪ Did he say maybe or I'm not sure ♪ 277 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,660 - If you're lucky enough in your life to have a moment, 278 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,380 it must be like having faith. 279 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,620 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 280 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,140 - It was the moment in my life when I thought, 281 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,620 I don't know what's happening here, 282 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,580 but something's happening. 283 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:11,580 I just remember it was like I knew my life 284 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:12,420 was going to change. 285 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,900 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 286 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,000 ♪ I'll tumble, brrrow ♪ 287 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,420 ♪ I get a crazy feeling ♪ 288 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,540 ♪ Which paces in my head ♪ 289 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,660 ♪ It's nothing that you do to me ♪ 290 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,300 ♪ It's nothing that you said ♪ 291 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,740 - I noticed an interaction between Jon and George 292 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,840 from that very first rehearsal. 293 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,860 And I thought, "Okay, alright. Okay." 294 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,780 ♪ I'll run the gun for you ♪ 295 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,540 ♪ And so much more ♪ 296 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,500 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 297 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,700 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 298 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,540 ♪ I'll tumble for ya ♪ 299 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,540 ♪ I'll tumble, brrow ♪ 300 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,840 - Then by about the third rehearsal, 301 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,100 we're packing up the gear ready to go home 302 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,380 and Jon says... 303 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,500 ♪ Tumble ♪ 304 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,600 - "I kind of like George." 305 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,540 And I said, "No, no, you can't. You can't do this." 306 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:06,460 I said, "It's not going to work. 307 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:07,700 You're going to ruin the band. 308 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,120 It's going to end before we begin." 309 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,100 And Jon turned to me and said, 310 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,340 "It's too late. I've already slept with him." 311 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,980 - And Jon then sort of overcompensated 312 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,680 by being especially butch. 313 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,880 So, he took control of everything. 314 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,140 And then Jon got rid of Suede. 315 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,980 He had an idea about what the band was and it was... 316 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,500 He didn't want it to be punk. 317 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,460 He wanted to be more funky. 318 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,260 And he felt like Suede was more rock 'n' roll. 319 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,220 - I said to George, "I think Suede's got to go, you know." 320 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,540 And I think George agreed with me. 321 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,640 - And then Roy turned up. 322 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,360 - Testing, testing. Hello. 323 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,900 It wasn't me, it was the other three. (laughing) 324 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,140 - Roy turned up and I remember he had aubergine hair. 325 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,820 And he was in a band called Russian Bouquet and I thought, 326 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,860 "Oh fucking hell." I thought, "Oh Jesus." 327 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,820 And he was from Essex. No offence. 328 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:01,900 (pins clattering) 329 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,700 (upbeat music) 330 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,060 - [Journalist] Essex is a land of nightclubs, nail bars 331 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,900 and tanning salons. 332 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,800 Essex man worked hard, paid his taxes and had aspirations. 333 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,260 - [Roy] I was working in the city when I first left school 334 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,220 and so I would, sort of, venture into the clubs 335 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,260 in London after that. 336 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,420 I would see George around in some of these spots. 337 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,200 There was Billy's and the Blitz. 338 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,840 George was quite a celebrity in that scene. 339 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,060 But the thing that was impressive to me was, 340 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,380 he had this amazing, blue-eyed soul boy voice. 341 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,400 ♪ I'm afraid of me ♪ 342 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,660 - And then Jon was an incredibly impressive guy. 343 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:43,799 He said, "We're going to write some songs. 344 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,540 We're going to get a record deal... 345 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,740 We're going to be on Top of the Pops. 346 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,039 We're going to become the biggest band in the world." 347 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,120 I'm like, "Sign me up." 348 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,900 - We had some weird names for the band. 349 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,340 I think the first name was In Praise of Lemmings. 350 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,540 - I went, "No." 351 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,180 - Jon was like, "Praise of Lemmings is the worst name ever." 352 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,900 And then we were called The Sex Gang Children. 353 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:04,780 - No, no. 354 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,940 - So, like, that had to go. 355 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,180 - I was love with a band called Tom Tom Club at the time 356 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,980 and I met George in a club. 357 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,660 (upbeat pop music) 358 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,260 (shop chatter) 359 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:19,780 - The '70s was an amazing time to grow up for music. 360 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,900 You know, it really was, and at the same time, 361 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,460 George was growing up in the sort of glam rock side. 362 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,540 And Mikey was being exposed 363 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,540 to the whole reggae sound systems. 364 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,040 And Jon was out there being a punk rock drummer. 365 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,380 - I lived in Hampton. 366 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,820 I went down to Camden Town to the Roundhouse 367 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,340 and there's these guys in this big room. 368 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,780 I said, "You're The Clash, aren't you?" It was Joe Strummer. 369 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:43,620 He said, "How'd you know?" 370 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,500 I said, "It's on the back of your jacket, mate. 371 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,600 On the back of your jacket." 372 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,020 He was great, by the way. 373 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:51,120 Joe Strummer was really great. 374 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,360 So, I played with The Clash for a while. 375 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,540 (guitars strumming) 376 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,420 Can't remember what happened after that. 377 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,920 (rock music) 378 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,940 Oh yeah, The Damned! 379 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,040 - Jon made the shift. 380 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,760 Jon said, "I'm fucking fed up of being spat at. 381 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,100 I want to play pop music." 382 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,860 - Jon said, "Right, you write with Roy." 383 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,940 So Roy came to my little room in Goodge Street 384 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,500 with no windows. 385 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,500 And I kept going out of the flat, ringing Jon, saying, 386 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,180 "He can't play guitar." 387 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,460 "He doesn't know what he's doing." 388 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:30,820 "It's a disaster." 389 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,400 And Jon was like, "Go back to fucking write." 390 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,980 You had four people who grew up and were exposed 391 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,660 to completely different musical cultures within one city. 392 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,420 Jon was Jewish, I was Irish. 393 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,980 Roy was like, totally Anglo Saxon and Mikey was Jamaican. 394 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,340 Once I started to see, we were like a multicultural band... 395 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,260 - Culture Club sounded like a good fit. 396 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,660 - Then we started to play around with the imagery. 397 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,700 ♪ Rhythms take me, do I need it ♪ 398 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,220 ♪ Will we kiss, will you let go ♪ 399 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,260 I worked in a shop at the time called The Foundry. 400 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,820 And this girl, Sue Clowes, she as making all these 401 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,020 amazing clothes, using the Star of David, 402 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:10,600 using Hebrew writing, using African symbols. 403 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,620 You know, doing stuff that would be considered 404 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,660 actually cultural appropriation now. 405 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,380 But for me, it was celebrating. 406 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,580 I think this year's going to be a year 407 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,680 for culture basically. 408 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,580 What does it mean? It doesn't mean anything. 409 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,980 It represents culture, as many cultures as possible. 410 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,580 I mean the Star of David's this sort of like, 411 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,660 African thing as well. 412 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,740 It's not just a Jewish thing, and it's like, 413 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,560 that's basically what it represents, you know, culture. 414 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,300 We started putting our own gigs on. 415 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,780 We started to host our own events. 416 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,220 - And the first show we did was at a place called Croc's, 417 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,380 which is now the Pink Toothbrush, in Rayleigh. 418 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,680 (upbeat reggae music) 419 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,100 - So, I thought, well I better write a contract. 420 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,860 And so I got a typeface, 'Culture Club' 421 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,940 with my address on it. 422 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,300 "We the aforesaid Culture Club shall agree to play 423 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,620 for one and a half hours for the sum of... 424 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,260 Supply food, blah, blah, blah, blah." 425 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:13,520 (upbeat reggae music) 426 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,620 - We were in Roy's parents' house in... 427 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,720 Where was he from? He's from Southend. 428 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,260 It was hilarious. 429 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:24,820 We went there like normal and then came out 430 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,920 in all our make-up. 431 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,380 I was so nervous. 432 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,860 I was just singing with my back to the audience. 433 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,020 I was so nervous. 434 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:36,020 But there was all these kids dressed up 435 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:37,940 and they were wearing all the stuff from my shop. 436 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,140 So, it felt like a sort of, like a sort of exclusive, 437 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,240 you know, society. 438 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,580 - Through a complete coincidence, a guy called Danny Goodwin 439 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,720 from Virgin Publishing, was in the crowd. 440 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,520 And as raw as we were, he saw something. 441 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,940 And so he took us into the studio 442 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,940 and wanted to record some stuff 443 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,620 and see if he could get us past his bosses, I guess. 444 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,720 (gentle jazz music) 445 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,020 Virgin had a recording studio on a barge 446 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:15,780 in the canals in Camden. 447 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,260 And we literally spent two days there, 448 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:18,380 and we didn't leave. 449 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,220 We spent the night there. 450 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,780 We slept on the couches and then got up 451 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,060 and carried on recording in the morning 452 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,340 and it was just one of those, just great moments 453 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,260 when we were really just bonding as a band 454 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,360 and having a great time. 455 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,700 ♪ I get a crazy feeling which paces in my head ♪ 456 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,740 - We started to get really good. 457 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,300 You know, we've got two songs, three songs, four songs, 458 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,460 five songs and we hit our stride. 459 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,180 They almost just came out 460 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,780 because we worked so well together. 461 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,780 ♪ I'll be your baby ♪ 462 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,940 ♪ I'll be your score ♪ 463 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,460 ♪ I'll run the gun for you, and so much more ♪ 464 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,900 Everything got better and better every time 465 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,140 you did it 'cause obviously you didn't know 466 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,900 what you were playing for when you first did your first gig. 467 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,660 You're like, oh just having a bit of a laugh 468 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,460 and you don't take it that seriously and, 469 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,300 you know, people used to heckle. 470 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,260 We used to get a lot of abuse. 471 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:10,980 (crowd chattering) 472 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,140 That's not very loud. You're know we're brilliant. 473 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,700 'Cause like you weren't anybody. 474 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,260 You were just some bloke in a dress. 475 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,900 They were like, "Fuck off, you're rubbish!" 476 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,500 People would shout stuff out. 477 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,900 I thought you'd be pissed by now. 478 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:24,839 When you're drunk, it doesn't matter 479 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,260 what people think of you. 480 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,360 "Poofter!" "Queer!" 481 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,900 You know, if somebody shouted something out, I'd be like, 482 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,460 "Thanks, you already paid for your ticket. 483 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,700 I'm going to buy myself some eyeshadow." (laughing) 484 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,460 Shut up. 485 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,120 To the people down the front trying to get attention. 486 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,660 Nobody around us thought we were going anywhere. Nobody. 487 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,380 And even people from record companies, 488 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:53,380 they'd come and they would say "He's too much. He's..." 489 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,540 They couldn't see it. 490 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,260 Anyone with make-up and a hairdo 491 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,880 was getting signed and we could not get signed. 492 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,340 - Eventually, like Virgin at the time were a very small 493 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,600 record label working out of Ladbroke Grove. 494 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,220 Virgin? Maybe, Virgin? Who knows, you know. 495 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,420 So, we got Virgin down with the limos and everything 496 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,020 and stuck them in front of the band. 497 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,420 About five of these people, feeling very uncomfortable. 498 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,240 And told the cars to piss off, so they couldn't go anywhere. 499 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,780 Because they'd been made to stay 500 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,460 and get over whatever they thought, 501 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,580 you could see that they really got it. 502 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,020 (uplifting music) 503 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,360 And then we got a recording deal with Virgin. 504 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,020 - Yeah, I remember it, just thinking, 505 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:40,700 have I done the right thing? 506 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,340 You know, and what does it mean? 507 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,700 What have I signed away? I didn't know anything. 508 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,540 I didn't know that I'd signed away all my rights 509 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,380 to my music. 510 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,340 I didn't realise... 511 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,380 I didn't know what I'd done. 512 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,460 You were kind of... 513 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,820 You had your begging bowl out. 514 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,200 It was like you were lucky to get a record deal. 515 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,460 - From the ambience point of view, 516 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,740 you'll have to start playing as soon as the drum fill 517 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,140 is over at the beginning. 518 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,340 - [Band Member] Oh, okay. 519 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,780 - [Roy] At which stage they brought Steve Levine onboard 520 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,260 as the producer. 521 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:07,620 (drums tapping) 522 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,340 It was the first time we worked with a producer 523 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,660 as opposed to just an engineer. 524 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,020 So, it was quite interesting to have somebody 525 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,700 at the controls, taking charge of the recording. 526 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,340 - [Steve] We'll bounce those down and then we'll... 527 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,720 - [Roy] We did "I'm Afraid of Me" and "White Boy" I think. 528 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,420 - We'd had two singles, "White Boy," "I'm Afraid of Me." 529 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,780 To me, they'd been successful 530 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,740 'cause people had bought them. 531 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,759 And I was like, people have bought them. 532 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,860 10,000 people have bought this record. 533 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,540 But it wasn't enough for the record company. 534 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,420 ♪ Black boys employ Selassie ♪ 535 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,460 ♪ We kiss to define ♪ 536 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,180 - I remember being in a club and hearing it 537 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,220 and being very proud. 538 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,940 That was the first time I heard a song 539 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,180 that we'd done in a club, and I was like, 540 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,280 that sounds really good. 541 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,780 - You have no idea what that was like 542 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,380 to stand on the balcony and go, 543 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,460 "(gasping) People are dancing to our song." 544 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,580 It was amazing. 545 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,260 ♪ In a world of blank kisses ♪ 546 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,260 ♪ Who breaks the colours I know what this is ♪ 547 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,860 You know, I knew that we hadn't set the world on fire, 548 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,820 but I knew people liked us. 549 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,020 ♪ That's how we know ♪ 550 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,540 - At the time it seemed like it should have been a hit, 551 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,900 and it wasn't, but we were having such a good time 552 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,700 as a band at that moment. 553 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,020 - It was exciting because it was sort of unknown. 554 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,960 And nobody really could guarantee what was gonna happen. 555 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,420 And Jon was like wining and dining me around, you know, 556 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,100 sort of that area of Fitzrovia. 557 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,300 We were like the king and queen of Fitzrovia. 558 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,540 - 'Cause we had nowhere to go 'cause George lived in a place 559 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,140 without anything basically. 560 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,780 And I lived at home. 561 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:41,940 I showed my mum a picture of George. 562 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,020 She went, "Oh, he's beautiful, don't tell your father." 563 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,300 (poignant music) 564 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,140 But we managed to go to people's places 565 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,820 and hang around all evening 566 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,980 with our hands all over each other 567 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,260 while these people were looking at us. 568 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:53,340 Fucking hell! 569 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,200 (poignant music) 570 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,040 - I admit taking me on as a partner is... (laughing) 571 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,540 It's not simple. (laughs) 572 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,480 You know, I have to admit that I wasn't easy. 573 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,500 Yeah, I was always pushing and questioning and, you know, 574 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840 being massively insecure. 575 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,820 - It was like when we fitted together, it was like that. 576 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,700 But a slight move to left or right and it was like, 577 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,540 it wouldn't gel. 578 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,200 And I think it was very much, that was the relationship. 579 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,380 - I was insecure. I was young. 580 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,100 I had no really good examples 581 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,140 of how to have a loving relationship. 582 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,560 I'd never seen one or been around one. 583 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,340 And there was a lot of insecurity about why is he with me? 584 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,460 He's not really into me. 585 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,740 And then one minute he'd be all over me, 586 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,140 then he didn't want to be with me. 587 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,620 And it was all a bit confusing. 588 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,540 In the early days, I was using the songs 589 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,140 as a kind of diary to sort of tell people 590 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,780 what was going on every day. 591 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,420 (poignant music) 592 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,940 "Kissing To Be Clever" was like me saying to Jon, 593 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,100 "Are you kissing to be clever or are you just doing this 594 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,920 because it suits you right now?" 595 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,700 It was always me questioning, "Well, why is he with me?" 596 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,500 'Cause like, we went from like, this immense 597 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,040 kind of want to be with each other all the time. 598 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,880 All the time, all the time. 599 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,060 And then the minute the band took off, 600 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,120 it was like those two, you know when a spaceship separates? 601 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,180 There was that moment where it was like, 602 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,040 "Oh, that's not what this is anymore." 603 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,920 So, the songs were about Jon. 604 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,460 - [Jon] I think his songs are about him actually. 605 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,440 It was how he was reacting to his feelings to me. 606 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,940 And I was like a mirror if you like, 607 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,060 or his negative muse. (chuckling) 608 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,740 ♪ Do you really want to hurt me, child ♪ 609 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,420 - I was in a flat in Cleveland Square. 610 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,380 There was these two friends of Jon's called Gem and Jick. 611 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,900 There was a lot of weed smoking around that time 612 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,420 and there was a lot of reggae dub being played. 613 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,500 I'd had this idea, "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me," 614 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,180 which at the time I thought was really silly. 615 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,660 (laughing) And then I started singing it and I was like, 616 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,420 "Oh actually, this is kind of cool." 617 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,340 It was just simple and truthful 618 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,140 and it was exactly what I felt like. 619 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,840 ♪ Give me time ♪ 620 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,780 "Give me time to realise my crime, 621 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,940 Let me love and steal", like I was stealing 622 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,040 this relationship with Jon. 623 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,420 "I have danced inside your eyes. How can I be real?" 624 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,780 It's like, 'cause I felt like my relationship with Jon 625 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,620 wasn't real. 626 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,540 It was a, I don't know, it was like is it 627 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,340 'cause of the band? 628 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,580 Is it 'cause we've got records? 629 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,680 You know, there was so much insecurity. 630 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,020 ♪ Inside your eye ♪ 631 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,540 ♪ Ow ♪ 632 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,460 ♪ How can I ♪ 633 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,780 When we were rehearsing it, 634 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,740 once Mikey got that baseline... 635 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,940 - Fantastic baselines. He just... (humming) 636 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,380 (chuckling) Brilliant. 637 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,820 ♪ Drop the bass ♪ 638 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,540 ♪ In my heart the fire's burnin' ♪ 639 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,700 - And it sounds ridiculous, but it was the moment 640 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,500 where you went, "Oh actually, wait a minute." 641 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,460 (humming) Suddenly it came to life. 642 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,220 ♪ Always tell me ♪ 643 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,320 ♪ That's a step, a step too far ♪ 644 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,340 - Then Virgin picked "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" 645 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,460 to be the single. 646 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,380 George didn't like that idea. 647 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,100 It hadn't even occurred to me, I must be honest. 648 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,740 - It was Virgin saying, 649 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,860 "Alright, we'll put one more single out. 650 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,100 If this doesn't do anything, we'll get rid of 'em." 651 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,079 - I went into Virgin and I was like, 652 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,540 "If you put this record out, we're done. 653 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,460 You might as well just drop us now. 654 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,420 This is the end of us." 655 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,300 And I was absolutely wrong. 656 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,980 I was 1000% the wrongest I could ever have been. 657 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,100 I was like...(gulping) 658 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,220 (Boy George laughing) 659 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,820 ♪ Words are few, I have spoken ♪ 660 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,620 ♪ I could waste a thousand years ♪ 661 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,340 ♪ Wrapped in sorrow, words are token ♪ 662 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,500 ♪ Come inside and catch my tears ♪ 663 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,240 So, we got on Top of the Pops by the skin of our teeth. 664 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,380 There's two different reasons. 665 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,420 One was that Elton John wanted to show his video 666 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,180 for "Blue Eyes" and they wouldn't let him. 667 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,020 - Shakin' Stevens, who was due to appear on Top of the Pops, 668 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,180 had a flu. 669 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,620 - Either way, one of those two, we got their slot. 670 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,540 - It was kind of fate in a way. 671 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,060 ♪ If it's love you want from me ♪ 672 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,160 ♪ Then take it away ♪ 673 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,980 I think it's timing. 674 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,980 I think it's where you are, what you're wearing. 675 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,220 All of it matters. It's frequencies. 676 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,660 It's bigger than an explanation. 677 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,140 You know, it's great to kind of wonder what it is, 678 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,240 but I just think it's everything. 679 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,620 ♪ Do you really want ♪ 680 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,700 Wearing the right hat at the right time in the right place. 681 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,380 ♪ Do you really want to hurt me ♪ 682 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,740 ♪ Do you really ♪ 683 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,260 I don't think I slept the night before. 684 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,400 I knew it was the beginning of something. 685 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,200 - The next day: chaos. (chuckling) 686 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,780 The media went nuts, wondering who this person was, 687 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,880 what was going on? 688 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,140 People were phoning me and asking me, 689 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,020 "Is this a guy? Is it a girl? What the hell's going on?" 690 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,140 (dramatic music) 691 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,420 - I loved all that. 692 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,020 Weirdly, although it offended me at the time, 693 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,820 actually all of that stuff helped us. 694 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,140 If you were a teenager and you saw someone like me 695 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,820 and someone conservative was saying I was a bad influence, 696 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,500 it was like a red rag to a bull. 697 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,340 It was like, just made us more popular. 698 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,580 (fans screaming) 699 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,740 A couple of days later I was in the street, 700 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,740 dressed in all the gear. 701 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,900 And people were coming up to me and they were like, 702 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,260 "I saw you on Top of the Pops." 703 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,260 And it was just... 704 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,060 (fans screaming) 705 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,160 It was like my life was different. 706 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,940 - Got a lot of bottle to walk down the street like that, 707 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,460 'cause like, if he was walking down my yard... (laughing) 708 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,300 - I'd sort of blow him away. 709 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,620 - Sort of like, he wouldn't look like that. 710 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,900 - I just like the way he dresses. 711 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,220 I mean, you can't sort of buy stuff like this normally 712 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,940 before he came out and sort of made it popular. 713 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,460 So, now you can go out and get it, can't you? 714 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,980 - Well, it's like a runaway train. 715 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,580 You just cling on and let the train go. 716 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,020 - What's the favourite thing about Culture Club then? 717 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,500 - Music, looks. - The music, the looks. 718 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,660 I mean look at what everyone's wearing. 719 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,240 - Yeah, that was the beginning of the rollercoaster. 720 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,980 - [Roy] It all became about George. 721 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,180 - [Interviewer] Okay. 722 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,500 - Everybody wanted to interview George. 723 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,600 And that became quite difficult for myself and Mikey. 724 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,540 - [Interviewer] Tell me, what does Culture Club want to say 725 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,580 with this image? 726 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,620 - Nothing. That's the whole thing. 727 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,860 I mean I've been dressing up for years. 728 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,660 It's not an image that I've just suddenly decided 729 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,540 to get together and form a band with. 730 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,260 I looked more outrageous than this years ago. 731 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,820 So, it's nothing to do with the image. 732 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,460 The music of Culture Club is what sells Culture Club. 733 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,380 "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" is a good song. 734 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,300 That's what we're trying to do. 735 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,020 We're not trying to say anything with our image. 736 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,500 - I remember coming off the performance of Top of the Pops 737 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,620 and George was just surrounded with the people 738 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,740 from the record company and everything, 739 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,020 saying how wonderful he was and how great it was. 740 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,020 And I remember just looking at Mikey and we're like, 741 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,140 "Were we not on the stage with him?" 742 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,240 Were we not there? 743 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,140 That was the moment that changed the dynamic of the band 744 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,240 in a very big way. 745 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,060 Suddenly, we were on the back cover of 746 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,700 "Kissing To Be Clever" and it was just George on the front. 747 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,220 (suspenseful music) 748 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,820 - We wanted the music to be the most important thing about 749 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,180 the band and not just, you know, 750 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,380 George's hat, for example. (chuckling) 751 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,820 - There was that kind of thing of like, 752 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,180 well, you're getting all the attention, 753 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,340 but then at the same time, 754 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,220 I was the one getting up at 5 o'clock in the morning 755 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,700 and doing every single interview. 756 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,020 - [Interviewer] And pick up the album... 757 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,220 - And unfortunately nobody wanted to speak 758 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,100 to the other three, they wanted to speak to me. 759 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:27,919 - [Interviewer 2] Yeah, right, well, 760 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,780 the album's done now really well... 761 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,020 - I didn't create the situation where I was 762 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,900 getting on the cover. 763 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,380 I didn't say, "Oh, I need to be on it, 764 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,380 otherwise I'm leaving the band." 765 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,480 That's just what happened. 766 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,300 - What's this? - And for a time, 767 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,500 Jon got a lot of the stuff 768 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,460 'cause he was my boyfriend. 769 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,460 So, a lot of it would be me and Jon. 770 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,020 And there was a resentment I think with the other two 771 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,120 with that. 772 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,440 - Maybe they thought me and George were too close. 773 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,620 And maybe they felt that they weren't 774 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,820 in the decision making process 775 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,940 or maybe they felt they were. 776 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:02,820 I don't know. 777 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,780 You know, parallel universe really. 778 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,860 - We were the John and Yoko of the band for a while 779 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,580 and that's kind of how it worked out. 780 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,560 But they also got a lot of freedom that I didn't. 781 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,660 They got to do a lot of things that I didn't get to do, 782 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,100 like stay in bed. 783 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,180 - Listen, in some ways I'm obviously very grateful for it 784 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,100 because George was such an amazing front person 785 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,200 and you need that. 786 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:31,640 'Cause he is an incredible artist, George. 787 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,860 (fans screaming) 788 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,960 He really is. 789 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,160 But his persona as a personality is so, so dominant 790 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,320 that it overpowers him as an artist. 791 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,980 And that started at Top of the Pops. 792 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,420 - [Producer] That's kind of out of the gate? 793 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,980 - Yeah, no, I was aware of it at that moment. 794 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,660 - [Interviewer] No, what I meant to say that you emphasise 795 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,820 this presentation more than this music or singing? 796 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,260 Or am I wrong? 797 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,780 - Well, I think that you've gota cheek saying that to me 798 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,879 because look at the way you're dressed. 799 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,060 You're dressed up. 800 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,580 I mean, you know, sort of people like you really annoy me, 801 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,020 because you're dressed up yourself. 802 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,860 You obviously take a lot of care of your appearance. 803 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,620 And yet you can be as hypocritical to turn around to me 804 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:13,340 and say, "Look, you know, you're dressed up." 805 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,660 Everybody is a poser. 806 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,180 There's nobody in this world that doesn't have 807 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,060 some kind of image, whether they assume it or not. 808 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,980 I think what I'm doing is very personal. 809 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,980 I do it because I want to do it. 810 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,020 I'm not doing it so that you buy my records. 811 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,700 "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" has sold over 100,000 copies 812 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,700 in this country. 813 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,820 So, I think the proof is in the pudding. 814 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,780 Buy it and eat it. (laughing) 815 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,900 - [Interviewer] Okay, lots of success with your concert. 816 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,100 - Thank you. Bye. - Bye bye. 817 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,900 - I think that's the thing about fame. 818 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,100 Fame becomes its own job. 819 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,060 I'll let you do it, okay. 820 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,300 It all became about what I was wearing 821 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,620 and it had very little to do with the music. 822 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,720 - [Jon] Come on, George. 823 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,860 - [Interviewer] George, when did the obsession 824 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,900 with dressing up first hit you? 825 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,460 - Obsession's a bit of a funny word. 826 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,260 I've always been interested in kind of looking different, 827 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,180 because I think that people generally look 828 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,620 very boring, you know. 829 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:04,460 And I think that, you know, 830 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,940 if I come from a working class family. 831 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,980 I worked in Tescos. 832 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,580 And I think that, you know, if you come from 833 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,220 that kind of environment, you must do something to kind of 834 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,060 get yourself away from that really. 835 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,720 (reggae music) 836 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,660 Well, the thing is, when I was a little kid, 837 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,120 I was very, very feminine looking. 838 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,500 So, everyone would say, "What's your daughter's name?" 839 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,820 And depending on my mood, I'd be like, 840 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,580 "I'm not a girl!" I used to get annoyed. 841 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,060 And then I think there was the point where I was like, 842 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,100 "Oh, wait a minute. (laughing) 843 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,820 Maybe I am a girl." (laughing) 844 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,480 (reggae music) 845 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,840 Then I discovered make-up. 846 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,520 I really just loved the idea of being someone else. 847 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,540 - [Jeremiah] I came home one evening 848 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,220 and he'd dyed his hair. 849 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,740 Mind you, again, I didn't make a big sort of scene about it. 850 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,300 I just sort of casually said to his mum, 851 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,980 "Get him to wash that off." 852 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,380 You know, that was it like, you know. 853 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,580 ♪ I would give anything I own ♪ 854 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,460 - I was looking at a photo yesterday of me 855 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,820 as a kind of 16-year-old punk with bleached hair 856 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,900 and a bored teenager badge. 857 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,020 And within about six months, I was in full drag. 858 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,140 ♪ You taught me how to cry ♪ 859 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,020 - The colours were so vivid, 860 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,380 like, I mean red trousers with big yellow spots, you know, 861 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,580 coming down to the butchers with me. 862 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,980 And I said, "You stay in that van and don't get out." 863 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,220 And when I went to pick my order up, 864 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,020 he walked straight into the shop. 865 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,120 "Hello, Mum." 866 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,200 - At the age of 16, 17, you are naturally provocative. 867 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,540 Coming round a corner with your hair six feet in the air 868 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,660 and flames coming off your eyes and some old lady 869 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,460 would jump into the garden. 870 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,980 "Aargh!" 871 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,180 ♪ Give up my life ♪ 872 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,280 That was a job well done. 873 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,460 ♪ I would ♪ 874 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,900 ♪ I still really enjoy that process of ♪ 875 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,860 spending the entire day turning myself into someone else, 876 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,020 you know, whatever it may be. 877 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,100 ♪ Take them ♪ 878 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,420 And it would always be things that I'd seen in a movie, 879 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,300 like Carmen Miranda or Boadicea. 880 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,240 ♪ I would give anything I own ♪ 881 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,540 - [Producer] Quite a transition from being a punk 882 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,900 to six months later you're in full drag. 883 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,900 Was there a spark? 884 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,180 - Siouxsie Sioux, that was it. 885 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,660 As soon as I saw her, I was like, 886 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,020 "Right, that's it. More make-up." 887 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,720 (reggae music) 888 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,940 Siouxsie Sioux, Poly Styrene... 889 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,340 And then of course Ari Up from the Slits. 890 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,180 She had the dreads. 891 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,840 That was where I sort of started to wear the dreads. 892 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,240 All these women were like, my heroes. 893 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,880 I still love 'em now. 894 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,180 I mean, I've come from nothing 895 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,620 and I've achieved quite a lot. 896 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:06,940 And even if it ends tomorrow, 897 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,900 I feel that I've achieved something, which is very positive. 898 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,340 And the idea of dressing up is just something very personal. 899 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,140 I think everybody has an idea of how they look best 900 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,780 and this is how I think I look best and I do it very well. 901 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,460 (jazz music) (iron hissing) 902 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,740 I remember after Top of the Pops, we'd had a gig in Glasgow. 903 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,020 I had to cancel it 'cause I couldn't sing. 904 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,020 I lost my voice on stage. 905 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,460 And I remember coming off stage like, 906 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,300 in tears and saying to Jon, 907 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,740 "Will you go on and tell them I can't do the gig?" 908 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,380 And he's like, "Fucking do it yourself." 909 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,240 And I was like, "You son of a bitch. You horrible man." 910 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,940 We left the gig and went back to this miserable hotel. 911 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,060 We had this massive fight and he went off 912 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,660 to the bar and I was like, crying. 913 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,140 And just thinking, "Oh, I want to leave the band. 914 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,580 I hate this band. I hate everything about it." 915 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,300 (laughing) The next morning we were number one. 916 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,200 Oh well, I'll stay then. (laughing) 917 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,620 - About a year afterwards, we started writing and recording 918 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:05,720 "Colour by Numbers" 919 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,620 - [Interviewer] Steve, this looks like a complete minefield. 920 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:09,660 This is your mixing desk, 921 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,660 isn't it? - Yep. 922 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,940 - Steve Levine, who was the sort of 923 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,300 fifth member of the band in a way. 924 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,340 He was gadget king. 925 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,100 So, he was having, like anything that was new that was out, 926 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,300 it was all turning up in the studio. 927 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,900 - This machine basically enables you 928 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,300 to record sounds that you can hear. 929 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,020 Any acoustic sound can be sampled into the machine 930 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,820 and then played back on the keyboard. 931 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,700 - [Boy George] And we were learning it on the spot. 932 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,460 You know, he was like switching things on and going, 933 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,580 "What's this do?" 934 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,500 (synth drum beat) 935 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,140 - [Steve] And that would be your basic rhythm 936 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,860 for the first section. 937 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,220 - How do you actually go about developing the songs? 938 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,460 - We basically, I come along with a melody line, lyrics. 939 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,660 I mean I never sing anyone else's lyrics. 940 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,060 So, all the songs are from a very personal basis. 941 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,260 And we work it out together. 942 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,740 The chord structures, Roy works out and Jon puts the beat. 943 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,180 You know, there's nobody in this band 944 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,180 that kind of isn't important. 945 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,540 I mean they're all as important as each other. 946 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,940 ♪ Pull the strings of emotion ♪ 947 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,260 Don't know where to come in. 948 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,100 - [ROY] I just told you where and you came in! 949 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,820 - Bye. 950 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,980 Well, basically there isn't as much pressure in the studio, 951 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,020 you know, because I think we're very adult in our approach 952 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,820 to the studio. 953 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,920 - [Roy] What a fucking wanker! 954 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,640 You fucking big, fat wanker! 955 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,540 He wants to see himself on telly 956 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,380 and go to the parties. 957 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,980 - [Jon] Have a nice party! 958 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,860 - Essentially, what a song is is finding a line. 959 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:25,980 Do you really want to hurt me? 960 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,300 Do you really want to make me cry? 961 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,020 None of it is particularly rocket science. 962 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,900 - I have no clue where it comes from or how he does it. 963 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:33,980 And he doesn't really understand 964 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,140 where that happens musically 965 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:36,620 where you have an idea, you know. 966 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,420 - You sit there... - I've done nothing, mate. 967 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,100 - You go to fucking hell! - Oh, it's my fault now, 968 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,460 is it? My fault. - That's right, fucking prick! 969 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:44,620 - [ROY] You're not always going to agree on 970 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,300 what you want to sing about. 971 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,460 - [Jon] It's all my fault, boys. 972 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,740 - But somehow, if you can sort it out, 973 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,380 there's magic that happens. 974 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,700 - [Mikey] Come on, lads. Let's knock it out. 975 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,420 - [Jon] One, two, three, four. 976 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,340 Two, two, three, four. 977 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,440 (crowd cheering) (gentle music) 978 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,260 - The arguments, the fights, the this, the that 979 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,420 and the other are all worth it because you get on stage 980 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,800 and perform songs that you wrote. 981 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,660 It's a wonderful feeling. 982 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,260 ♪ Victims we know so well ♪ 983 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,780 ♪ They shine in your eyes when they kiss and tell ♪ 984 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,180 ♪ Strange places we never see ♪ 985 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,660 ♪ But you're always there like a ghost in my dream ♪ 986 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,620 ♪ And I keep on telling you ♪ 987 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,140 ♪ Please don't do the things you do ♪ 988 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,980 ♪ When you do those things ♪ 989 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,080 - Making "Colour By Numbers" 990 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,180 was one of the most joyous moments of my life 991 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,060 without a doubt. 992 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,160 ♪ Do you deal in black money, yeah ♪ 993 00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,940 ♪ Do you deal ♪ 994 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,660 - And then George brought in Helen who just 995 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,060 added this dynamic of soul to the band, 996 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,100 which was just mindblowing. 997 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,060 And on songs like "Black Money," we would just let her go 998 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,140 and she would have this Aretha thing going. 999 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,380 And it was just like, "Oh my God, that is so special." 1000 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,180 ♪ Give me some love but don't waste my time ♪ 1001 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,820 ♪ Oh, black money, yeah ♪ 1002 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,700 ♪ I love you again but you must be mine ♪ 1003 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,260 ♪ Oh, black money, yeah ♪ 1004 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,380 ♪ Give me some love but don't waste my time ♪ 1005 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,260 ♪ Oh, oh, black money, yeah ♪ 1006 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,940 ♪ When you love someone ♪ 1007 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,620 ♪ And they don't love you in return ♪ 1008 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,660 ♪ When you love someone ♪ 1009 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,380 ♪ You got money ♪ 1010 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,820 ♪ Do you deal in black money, yeah ♪ 1011 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,060 - And then that's the way I just sat down 1012 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,980 and started playing this little blues thing on the piano. 1013 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,540 George came in and said, 1014 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,260 "Helen, come in here, let's do this." 1015 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,820 ♪ That's the way ♪ ♪ That's the way ♪ 1016 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,860 - And it literally was done spontaneously 1017 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,700 with just real soul and just passion. 1018 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,120 Just magic. That record is just magic. 1019 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,180 ♪ Only trying to help ♪ 1020 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,280 ♪ Only trying to help you ♪ 1021 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,180 ♪ Only trying to help you ♪ 1022 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,280 ♪ Only trying to help you ♪ 1023 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,900 ♪ Only trying to help you ♪ 1024 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,180 ♪ Only trying to help you ♪ 1025 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,800 ♪ Only trying to help you ♪ 1026 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,460 - [Roy] She was magic. 1027 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,340 ♪ Only trying to help ♪ 1028 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,140 - [Roy] And it's classic George to bring somebody in, 1029 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,020 find something and have this idea to do something like that. 1030 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,200 It was great, really great. 1031 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,180 - I wanted her in the band. 1032 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,940 I absolutely wanted her in the band. 1033 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,740 I wanted everyone in the band. 1034 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,860 - Yeah, that wasn't going to happen. (laughing) 1035 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,540 - I was probably on the fence. 1036 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,860 - She wasn't part of our experience. 1037 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,180 She wasn't part of our journey. 1038 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,640 She was part of the magic of that record, without a doubt. 1039 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,780 And it was that perfect blend of a band 1040 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,620 at their absolute peak, the right producer, 1041 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:25,100 the right technology, the right people from the outside 1042 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,500 just let to do their thing. 1043 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:27,580 It was fantastic. 1044 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,400 (crowd cheering) 1045 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,260 - We've written enough ideas we think for an album 1046 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,240 when George says, "Hold on. I've got this one idea." 1047 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,980 - And I'd gone to Egypt with Marilyn 1048 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,020 and I had this cassette of "Karma Chameleon." 1049 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,940 And Marilyn's like, "I hate the song, girl, it's naff." 1050 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,780 She was like, "It's really naff, but it's catchy." 1051 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,100 And I was like, "It's gonna be number one." 1052 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,580 - And Roy said... 1053 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,980 - "It doesn't really fit in with the record at all." 1054 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,500 - "It's gonna be number one!" 1055 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,620 ♪ Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon ♪ 1056 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,460 ♪ You come and go ♪ 1057 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,400 ♪ You come and go ♪ 1058 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,860 - I read some of the lyrics. I didn't know what they meant. 1059 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,220 It's funny, I didn't know what they meant 1060 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,580 but I sort of did know what they meant. 1061 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,680 That was the beauty of it. 1062 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:21,999 You know, "Loving would be easy if your colours 1063 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:22,980 were like my dream." 1064 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:23,780 What the fuck? 1065 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,260 But, you know what it means. 1066 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,300 ♪ I'm a man without conviction ♪ 1067 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,340 ♪ I'm a man ♪ 1068 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,540 - I couldn't make it work musically. 1069 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,860 I was struggling with "Karma," yeah. 1070 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,540 - It was the last thing that we recorded 1071 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,820 and it was done under duress. 1072 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,380 I even think that that kind of guitar riff (vocalising), 1073 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,500 I think Roy was maybe taking the piss. 1074 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,600 (crowd cheering) (crowd screaming) 1075 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,940 ♪ There's a loving in your eyes all the way ♪ 1076 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,620 - [Jon] I've always seen the greatest pop songs in the past 1077 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,300 as being adult nursery rhymes. 1078 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,620 ♪ I'm a man ♪ 1079 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,340 - [Jon] They're catchy. You want to sing them. 1080 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,580 ♪ I'm a man ♪ 1081 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,660 - And I saw this as sort of being like 1082 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,460 a rockabilly song almost, which is like 1083 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,820 bom ba dum, bom ba dum bom. 1084 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,260 - One of my guilty pleasures is country music anyway, 1085 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,820 so I didn't mind it too much. 1086 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,580 But hey, look, you know, it's our biggest hit. 1087 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,060 ♪ Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon ♪ 1088 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,420 ♪ You come and go ♪ 1089 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,980 ♪ You come and go ♪ 1090 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,500 ♪ Loving would be easy if ♪ 1091 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,020 - A fucking Mississippi steamboat in "Karma Chameleon." 1092 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,700 I don't know, the guitar... 1093 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,740 Who knows, man? Who knows? 1094 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,620 I mean, very odd. 1095 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:51,860 ♪ Every day is like survival ♪ 1096 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,880 ♪ You're my lover not my rival ♪ 1097 00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,660 - Oh dear. Oh dear. 1098 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,700 I saw this big boat, thinking, "Oh dear." 1099 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,900 And they say, "Wear this, wear this." 1100 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,260 So the trick was to make sure that, you know, 1101 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,180 that individually you tried to come across 1102 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,140 with a bit of dignity, which was actually impossible, 1103 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,240 especially being in Culture Club. 1104 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,700 - I think we lost a lot of credibility 1105 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,660 with "Karma Chameleon." 1106 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,060 ♪ I'm a man ♪ 1107 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,160 - But it's the thing we're remembered for. 1108 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,380 - They still say it now. 1109 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,980 They say it was the nail in our cool coffin. 1110 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,980 I was like, we were never cool. 1111 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,800 (laughs) We weren't trying to be cool. It wasn't the point. 1112 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,980 That song went to number one and stayed there for weeks. 1113 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,900 Tortured everyone. I should have kept the royalties. 1114 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,300 ♪ Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon ♪ 1115 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,860 ♪ You come and go ♪ 1116 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,820 ♪ You come and go ♪ 1117 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,940 - The group Culture Club has spread its name 1118 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,820 and its music all over the world. 1119 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,820 (crowd screaming) (crowd singing) 1120 00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,620 - Welcome to the Sydney Entertainment Centre 1121 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,420 for the 12th sellout concert of Culture Club. 1122 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,180 - They're number one in a staggering 16 countries 1123 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,020 at the moment. 1124 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,780 ♪ I'm a man without conviction ♪ 1125 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,100 ♪ I'm a man ♪ 1126 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,200 - The band was setting off on a mammoth European tour. 1127 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,500 (speaker speaking in German) 1128 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,820 - The Culture Club. 1129 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,060 - (speaking a foreign language) Culture Club. 1130 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,180 - Culture Club! 1131 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,620 - Culture Club! 1132 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,860 (fans screaming) 1133 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,100 - In the '80s, we were fucking massive. 1134 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,700 It was exciting, it was buzzy. 1135 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,700 It was like, shit, we're travelling the world. 1136 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,980 We're going here, we're going there. 1137 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,500 (fans screaming) 1138 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,620 - [Reporter] Fans greeted the Boy 1139 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,060 in scenes reminiscent of the early '60s visit 1140 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:42,980 by The Beatles. 1141 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,180 (fans screaming) 1142 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,260 - Australia was crazy and we got really mobbed 1143 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,100 at the airport. 1144 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,220 - [Reporter] On Coronation Drive, we've got thousands, 1145 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,900 literally thousands of people. 1146 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,500 We have Boy George arriving. 1147 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,980 - It was absolute mayhem. 1148 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,940 (fans screaming) 1149 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,580 - I don't think anyone's prepared for quite the insanity 1150 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,680 of becoming that big a pop star at that age. 1151 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,540 It was like seeing a movie of the Beatles when I was a kid. 1152 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,420 You know, it was that kind of insanity. 1153 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:17,300 ♪ There's a loving in your eyes all the way ♪ 1154 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,500 ♪ If I listen to your lies, would you say ♪ 1155 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,660 ♪ I'm a man without ♪ 1156 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,660 I wanted the fame. 1157 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,500 I'm not pretending I didn't want to be famous. 1158 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,660 I like being me. 1159 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,260 I like getting recognised, you know, all of that. 1160 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,740 ♪ How to sell ♪ 1161 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,580 And then, like most things, 1162 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,540 it gets in the way of, you know, everything. 1163 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,180 And you just can't go anywhere. 1164 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,500 (fans screaming) 1165 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,200 So, you're in Australia and you don't see Australia. 1166 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,040 You know, I wasn't really able to even go out the hotel. 1167 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,260 I used to go down to these mobs of screaming girls 1168 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,940 and I'd try and talk to them and they'd just scream 1169 00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:58,780 in my face. 1170 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,560 (fans screaming) 1171 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,180 - I actually touched him. 1172 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,580 - [Reporter] You touched him? What did it feel like? 1173 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:07,700 - Fantastic. 1174 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,980 - I love him. I love him. 1175 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,540 (fans screaming) 1176 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,200 (camera shutters clicking) 1177 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,020 - [Reporter] It was like Beatlemania all over again 1178 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,500 in Montreal last week. 1179 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,260 (camera shutters clicking) 1180 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,380 - [Mikey] I remember Canada more than Australia. 1181 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,480 But I think a similar thing happened. 1182 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,500 - [Reporter] The poor mounties were hardly a match 1183 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,460 for the fans. 1184 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,560 One of them even fainted. 1185 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,380 - That was absolutely insane because fans 1186 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,080 just blocked the motorway completely. 1187 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,540 Loads of people lost their flights. 1188 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,880 It was real big news in Canada. 1189 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,460 We knew we were big news anyway, but, you know, 1190 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,060 things like that just confirmed it. 1191 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,160 - [Boy George] Whoo! 1192 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,340 (fans screaming) 1193 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,440 Whoo! Whoo! 1194 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,900 I love Japan. I love it spiritually. 1195 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,780 I love it as a place. I feel very at home there. 1196 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,860 ♪ No defeat your dance is sweet ♪ 1197 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,940 ♪ 'Cause you ripped it from my soul ♪ 1198 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,820 ♪ I'll kiss you and I'll ♪ 1199 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,100 I practise Nichiren Buddhism, so, I always think of Japan 1200 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,560 as like sort of my spiritual place, you know. 1201 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,700 ♪ Boy I'm sweet when you've got me beat ♪ 1202 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,060 Really it kicked off when we first came to America. 1203 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,980 Not everyone breaks America. It just happened. 1204 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:45,080 (upbeat music) (fans screaming) 1205 00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,900 I'm very magpie like when it comes to culture. 1206 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000 I just love everything. 1207 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,600 It's the perfect job to do what I do. 1208 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:14,940 I was really interested in America. 1209 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:15,820 I was like, "Oh, I love America." 1210 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,540 You know, I was obsessed with like John Walters and Divine. 1211 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,620 All my heroes were American. 1212 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,700 (upbeat music continues) (fans screaming) 1213 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,100 You know, it was exciting to be here. 1214 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,200 It felt like the centre of music. 1215 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:30,740 And so, to be in America I was like, 1216 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,520 "Oh my God, they like us in America. We must be good." 1217 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,900 ♪ I know you'll miss me ♪ 1218 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,500 ♪ I know you'll miss me ♪ 1219 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,860 ♪ I know you'll miss me blind ♪ 1220 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,719 - [David Letterman] How old a person are you? 1221 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:46,540 - I'm 22. 1222 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,000 - 22, and how long have you been appearing this way? 1223 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,460 (audience laughing) (audience clapping) 1224 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,460 - Since birth. You know? Or you mean my hat? 1225 00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,260 - Well, yeah, you're... 1226 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,140 No, I mean, you're obviously... 1227 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:03,180 - Beautiful. 1228 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,980 - Yes, yes, you are. That was the word. 1229 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,100 - We were an import. So, we weren't American. 1230 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,319 They weren't responsible for us. (laughing) 1231 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,740 It was like, there's some weirdos here from England, 1232 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:14,980 you know, and we don't know 1233 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,820 what to say about them but they liked us. 1234 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,920 - New artist is... 1235 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,540 - Ooh, you got it upside down. 1236 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:23,700 - Culture Club! 1237 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:24,700 (fans screaming) - Yay! 1238 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,800 - We went down a storm in America. 1239 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:28,580 Until George said... 1240 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,820 - Thank you America, you've got taste, style and you know 1241 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,900 a good drag queen when you see one. 1242 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,380 (audience laughing) (audience cheering) 1243 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,140 It was surprising actually, the reaction. 1244 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,620 People were like, really upset. 1245 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,180 - [Reporter] Boy George says his comment 1246 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,580 at this past February's Grammy Awards 1247 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,740 was simply a way to liven up the staid ceremonies. 1248 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,620 But when asked about his sexual preference 1249 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:53,100 at a recent press conference in Atlanta, he still, well, 1250 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,580 skirted the issue. 1251 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,540 - I think any relationship you have, 1252 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,060 being a celebrity within the industry, is strictly personal. 1253 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,940 And it's just very sad that people have got nothing better 1254 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:02,940 to talk about. 1255 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,340 They thought it meant you were gay. 1256 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,580 They thought like you were saying, "I am gay." 1257 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,380 That's really what it felt like to America, 1258 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,660 that I was admitting... 1259 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,340 Maybe I was. 1260 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,780 Did you know I was gay? 1261 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,100 - Haven't quite figured him out yet. 1262 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,700 - Weird. - He's different. 1263 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:19,500 - I like him. 1264 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,740 - In America, if you said, "I'm gay," 1265 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,300 they'd go, "Ooh, you're gay! Aah, aah!" 1266 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,380 Otherwise, doesn't matter. 1267 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,460 You can be as gay as you like. 1268 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,220 Doesn't matter, just don't tell me about it. 1269 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,180 - Strange. 1270 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,020 - He's a pretty boy. 1271 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,740 - I know he has a better make-up job 1272 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,340 than a lot of girls do. 1273 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,420 - Definitely a product of the '80s. 1274 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,580 - I remember sort of like seeing all the protesters 1275 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:37,540 outside the gigs. 1276 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,680 I kind of quite enjoyed it. 1277 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,740 Nobody wants to get dressed up and go unnoticed. 1278 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:45,599 Do you know what I mean though? 1279 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,980 It's like that funny thing of like yeah, 1280 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,380 you know, of course I want you to look 1281 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,740 but I don't want you to get upset. 1282 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,620 - They call it gender blending or even gender ending. 1283 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,220 The unmistakable merging of what we used to think of 1284 00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,340 as distinctly male and female in our society. 1285 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,760 And it's shocking to a great many of us. 1286 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,180 - [Reporter] Here Boy George takes a moment 1287 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,180 to compose himself before facing 1288 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,620 a packed ice hockey arena in Buffalo. 1289 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:12,700 Others of the more conservative cities of middle America, 1290 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,220 Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit and Milwaukee 1291 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,100 were to follow. 1292 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,460 And the question was are they ready for Boy George? 1293 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,660 - This is a family oriented community 1294 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,760 and we want it to stay that way. 1295 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,940 - When we played in Kansas, I go outside 1296 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,460 and there's all these pictures like, you know, 1297 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,620 stick men, one bending over and then one behind him. 1298 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,260 And "fags get AIDS", 1299 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,140 and all that kind of thing. 1300 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,380 I walked out and they went, 1301 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,420 "Jon, Jon, Jon." I went, "What?" 1302 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,980 "Can we have a photo?" 1303 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,340 I went, "Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah." I said, you know... 1304 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,620 "Oh yeah, you know, God hates fags." 1305 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:45,940 I said, "Are you coming to the show?" 1306 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,040 "Oh yeah, we love Boy George." 1307 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,980 And that was America. 1308 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,580 - See, I come from the middle of the United States, 1309 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,940 a state called Nebraska, which is right out 1310 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:55,860 in the middle of the country. 1311 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,700 Rather conservative. (crowd member whoops) 1312 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,300 Now, if I was your dad, I wouldn't know how to react myself. 1313 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,060 I think I would be adult enough to try to handle it, but... 1314 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,940 - But what have you got to handle? 1315 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,100 - Yeah. - I mean in a country 1316 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,740 that has Liberace, I'm hardly revolutionary, am I? 1317 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:11,820 - [Johnny] Yeah, that's true. 1318 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,900 (audience laughing) (audience clapping) 1319 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,380 - Even in the gay world, there were people that were 1320 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,700 disparaging against anyone that was 1321 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,780 a bit of an exhibitionist. 1322 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,300 "(scoffing) Why are you spoiling our bid for assimilation?" 1323 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,940 "If it wasn't for you, we'd be accepted." 1324 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,260 And now it's switched on to trans people. 1325 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,740 Now it's on to the trans people get the bullying now. 1326 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,900 - [Reporter] There's a new Boy George fan club in Detroit. 1327 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,780 The club was started for people who like 1328 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,260 Culture Club's music but can't stand to look at 1329 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,180 the lead singer, Boy George. 1330 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,420 The free fan club kit includes a mask to cover your eyes 1331 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,340 while you listen to Culture Club. 1332 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,800 Also a photo of Clint Eastwood. 1333 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,900 - What are they talking about? (laughing) 1334 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,540 I just thought they were really stupid. 1335 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,620 You know, not every single person that bought my record 1336 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,980 is a homosexual. 1337 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,580 (laughs) A lot of women bought my record. 1338 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,980 In fact, more women than guys. 1339 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,620 - If you would have told me two years ago 1340 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,700 that I would dig like, Boy George 1341 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,500 and I'd really want to come and see the show, 1342 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,580 I would have said, you know, like, "Shove it," you know? 1343 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,020 But hey, I'm really up for it, you know. 1344 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,400 - He's up for it, man. - It's gonna be good. 1345 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,600 - And I still don't understand why people get so upset. 1346 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,300 What has it got to do with you? 1347 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,420 If you're not gay, or you're not trans 1348 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,240 or you're not whatever, what has it got to do with you? 1349 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,200 Why do you care? It's just a word, "drag." 1350 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,540 ♪ So well ♪ 1351 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,140 - You're making it into something it's not. 1352 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,420 ♪ So well ♪ 1353 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,060 ♪ So well ♪ 1354 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,240 - Why should someone know about what you do in the bedroom? 1355 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,180 'Cause that's all that separates it. 1356 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,280 Nobody's asking about love. 1357 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,220 Are you gay? Not do you love the person? 1358 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,220 Do you love this person? Yeah, I loved George. 1359 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,380 I loved him, loved him to pieces. 1360 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,480 I loved him, loved him, loved him. 1361 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,660 So, why should you tell everybody else about 1362 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:14,740 what you do in the bedroom? 1363 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,840 'Cause that's all it is really, isn't it? 1364 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,540 It's not about love. It's what you do in the bedroom. 1365 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,180 - [Interviewer] Yeah, right, exactly... 1366 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,060 Hi, how are you doing? 1367 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,460 Good to see you. This is Dave. 1368 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,260 - Yeah, I remember you from before, yeah. 1369 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,860 We used to kiss in front of everyone. Hold hands. 1370 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,860 You know, there was no uptightness at all. 1371 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,480 The minute we had a hit, it was like (vocalising). 1372 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,140 What's the show called? 1373 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,580 - [Speaker] No, we can't do anything. 1374 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,140 - [Boy George] Say, "Hi, I'm Jon Moss and you're?" 1375 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,060 - I think George maybe thought I had a problem with it 1376 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:47,900 but I never. 1377 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:48,740 All my friends knew. 1378 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:49,799 It's humorous, she laughed. - Yeah, but it's not. 1379 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:50,580 - My parents knew. 1380 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,340 I didn't really have a problem at all with it, 1381 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,220 but it was a difficult time. 1382 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,820 - Okay, okay, bye. - Yep. Okay. Bye. 1383 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,220 I think Jon liked the idea of being with me 1384 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,300 but the fact is he didn't want to be in a relationship 1385 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:03,540 once he got famous. 1386 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,420 (groovy music) 1387 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:07,300 They all did a bit. 1388 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,120 They were all a bit like "Oh my God, we're pop stars." 1389 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,780 You know, and like they were all in relationships 1390 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,060 and getting up to what they were getting up to. 1391 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,340 (camera shutters clicking) 1392 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,660 - You've got bling, you've got designer stuff. 1393 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,860 You're eating in fancy restaurants and you know, 1394 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:30,900 you're doing all sorts of things 1395 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,420 that you shouldn't be doing as well. 1396 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,080 (upbeat music) 1397 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,980 - We had Van Halen's tour bus, you know, and me and Mikey 1398 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,380 were up the back, smoking weed and just drinking, 1399 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:48,460 having this blast of a time. 1400 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,560 It was the best time. 1401 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,160 It was like a dream for us. 1402 01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,220 - They loved being pop stars. 1403 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,480 It was a different experience for them. 1404 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,600 It wasn't easy for me. 1405 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,900 You know, plus I was very untrusting. 1406 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,060 Anybody that threw themselves at me, I'd be like, 1407 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:10,940 what do you want, you know? 1408 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,620 And I was fixated on Jon. 1409 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,120 (upbeat music continues) 1410 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,980 And my relationship with Jon was very passionate. 1411 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,780 It wasn't a fake relationship. It wasn't peripheral. 1412 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,340 He wasn't watching from the sidelines. 1413 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,160 He was involved very much emotionally with me. 1414 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,820 Hello. - Hi. How are you? 1415 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,680 - One person said hello back. Hello. 1416 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,260 We said hello, so you could all say hello back. 1417 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,260 - Hello. - Hi. 1418 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,159 - I'm ready. - Where'd you get your hat? 1419 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,580 - Pardon? - Where'd you get your hat? 1420 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,680 - Next question. 1421 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,940 - [Reporter] What are the questions you would like us 1422 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,260 to ask? 1423 01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,940 - Well, I mean you've asked questions 1424 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,380 but you ask it as if you've been sucking a dry prune. 1425 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:03,860 You know, it's like... 1426 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,300 (press laughing) 1427 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,420 It's like, you know, you ask a question 1428 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:08,740 with no humour in your face. 1429 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,180 It's like, "Where did you get that hat?" 1430 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,040 (press laughing) 1431 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,220 - In typical Culture Club fashion, things can change 1432 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,320 on the flip of a coin. 1433 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,900 - [Reporter 2] Do you worry about being a passing fad? 1434 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,740 - No, do you worry about it? 1435 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,380 - [Reporter 2] All the time! 1436 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,380 - Get a new hairstyle then, honey. (laughing) 1437 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,460 (press laughter) 1438 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,740 - You can see the dovetail of like okay, 1439 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,540 oh, suddenly not okay. 1440 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,740 It was like, well, what are we going to do next? 1441 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,840 Where are we going, what are we? 1442 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,140 What do you do with this, you know? 1443 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,279 - [Reporter 3] Does it bother you that the same people 1444 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,140 who were building you up in the beginning 1445 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:50,580 are tearing you down now? 1446 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,060 - Well, I think after a while, 1447 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,740 they have to run out of good things to say about you. 1448 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:54,940 And there is a period where 1449 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,220 you have to ride the storm, you know. 1450 01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:57,820 A band has to ride the storm. 1451 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,879 - And it suddenly seemed that it had gone into... 1452 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,420 It was like reading a book and then reading 1453 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,100 the third chapter and everything's changed and gone dark. 1454 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,200 (melancholic music) 1455 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,120 - I think we were all burnt out to be quite honest. 1456 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,900 We'd been non-stop for four years, writing, 1457 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,000 touring, promoting and just being together and doing that. 1458 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,500 I think it would have been very smart for everyone 1459 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,600 to take a break then. 1460 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,400 There was the feeling that the band was going to implode 1461 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,580 and I think a lot of that was based on the secret 1462 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,940 of the relationship of Jon and George coming out 1463 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,460 and that would have some catastrophic effect on our fame. 1464 01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,700 (melancholic music continues) 1465 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,740 And there's no question we weren't ready 1466 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,840 to make a third album. 1467 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,820 - We could have called up Stevie Wonder at that point 1468 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,620 and said, "Do you want to, you know, write a song with us?" 1469 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,720 And I'm sure it would have happened. 1470 01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,240 We could have done anything. 1471 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,620 But no, it was rushed out and the album suffered 1472 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,720 as a result of that. 1473 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,340 - Even the title, "Waking Up with the House on Fire." 1474 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,780 That was something that I did a lot. 1475 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,260 I just used what was going on in the songs. 1476 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,780 So, in a way, it was a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, 1477 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:27,140 the title, the album put together, you know, 1478 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,320 under a lot of distraction. 1479 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,800 Just, yeah. We weren't concentrating on what we were doing. 1480 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,980 ♪ You can't bystand all the people ♪ 1481 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,900 ♪ Stand them on their own ♪ 1482 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,660 ♪ They will fall to pieces ♪ 1483 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,180 ♪ So we watch them grow ♪ 1484 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,140 The "Mistake Number 3" video is the most insane. 1485 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,960 I call it the pinnacle of our excess. It was insane. 1486 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,740 ♪ Clutching to my ♪ 1487 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,500 I remember just going, "Oh my God." 1488 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,420 It was like, no-one was telling me no. 1489 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,700 ♪ Watch them go ♪ 1490 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,660 ♪ And make mistake number 3 ♪ 1491 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,820 - [Roy] We were just like George's little dress-up things, 1492 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,220 you know. 1493 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,340 ♪ Make mistake number 3 ♪ 1494 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,720 - [Roy] Right, what should we wear today, boys? 1495 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:23,420 ♪ Mistake Number 3 ♪ 1496 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:24,319 I think I wore so many things, 1497 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,700 like you've never seen so many costume changes. 1498 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,260 I had this like hat with a big glove 1499 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,900 that wrapped round my head. 1500 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,000 It was insane. 1501 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:34,980 ♪ Mistake number 3 ♪ 1502 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,580 Yeah, I guess the other three felt like (laughing) 1503 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,560 they'd been dragged into a gay circus. (laughing) 1504 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,340 - [Roy] And there was a point where I felt 1505 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,440 maybe he'd lost it. 1506 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,300 ♪ You can't bystand all the people ♪ 1507 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,780 Is there supposed to be a speaker system in here 1508 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,880 'cause you can't hear a thing? 1509 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,260 Pardon? - It's not working, no. 1510 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,580 - Do you want to send this guy home? 1511 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,140 He's got bad hearing? 1512 01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:08,980 So, that's it now, okay. 1513 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,620 Finished, finished, now we're going to talk. 1514 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,580 Okay, I mean if I'm really in a bad mood, 1515 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,460 then I will say fuck off, you know. 1516 01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,660 And I won't worry about the consequences. 1517 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,420 People who are into Culture Club, the fans, 1518 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,060 the young people, I mean they can't believe what's written 1519 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,940 about me because they wouldn't go out and buy my records. 1520 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,460 I mean, you know, I think it's pretty strong, 1521 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,460 my relationship with my audience, definitely. 1522 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,100 - Our records. - Huh? 1523 01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:30,959 - Our records. - Our records, sorry. 1524 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,600 (all laughing) 1525 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,420 - [Reporter] For two years, they were media darlings, 1526 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,460 thanks to world hits like "Karma Chameleon" and "Time" 1527 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,460 and thanks to the flamboyant personality 1528 01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,180 of lead singer Boy George. 1529 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,940 (ominous music) 1530 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,180 But last autumn, the media backlash hit over the album 1531 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,300 "Waking Up with the House on Fire." 1532 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,460 So, is the group in crisis or are they still 1533 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,560 on the crest of a wave? 1534 01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:58,719 - I'm very aware of the media and I know 1535 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,300 that all bands go through sort of a tough period when people 1536 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:02,660 are slagging them off, etc. 1537 01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,540 So what? It's just something you go through. 1538 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,060 In a year's time, if we're still together, 1539 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,780 everybody will be saying how wonderful we are. 1540 01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,700 Mark my words. (laughing) 1541 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,820 (ominous music) 1542 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,780 - I always thought it was over at that point. 1543 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,880 I mean, daily, if not hourly, I was threatening to leave. 1544 01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:21,879 Can you move your head, 'cause you've got 1545 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:22,660 a shadow on my face? 1546 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:23,679 - Oh, so sorry, would you like me to take my head off? 1547 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,220 - Well, can I move somewhere else 1548 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:26,700 'cause it's like there's a huge quiff 1549 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,540 on the side of my face. 1550 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:28,340 - There's not now. 1551 01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:29,359 - Well, there was and every time you move, 1552 01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,180 I'm going to get it. 1553 01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:31,340 - [Photographer] You look good. 1554 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:32,860 - Shut up, you. 1555 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:33,860 And then of course everyone 1556 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,860 in the band's positions' changed, 1557 01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:36,700 their lives changed. 1558 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:37,740 They get married. 1559 01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,460 They've got a bank account. 1560 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,679 - [Photographer] Lean in a little bit more, that's it. 1561 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,740 - Suddenly they're not going to listen to you. 1562 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,840 It's really uncomfortable. 1563 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:46,159 - [Photographer] You guys look like a soccer team. 1564 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,300 - Do we have to do this? 1565 01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,400 It's really fucking hideous. 1566 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:50,900 - Well, it's not up to me, is it? 1567 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,380 - Not so nice for us, either, you know. 1568 01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:54,580 - [Reporter] Now would you like a long life 1569 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,680 with the band Culture Club? 1570 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,060 - Would I like? I should... 1571 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,700 My answer to that is that I will have a long life 1572 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:06,700 with the band, but at the moment, it's time for a sort of... 1573 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,020 It's time for a slight change. 1574 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,380 (sirens blaring) 1575 01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:13,580 - [Interviewer] Alright, just for purposes 1576 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,060 of our identification, I'm sitting here with Boy George 1577 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:17,220 and Marilyn. 1578 01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,420 - Or Marilyn and Boy George. (laughing) 1579 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,500 - [Interviewer] Starting early, are we? 1580 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,860 George, you have been spending a tremendous amount of time 1581 01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,700 with Marilyn lately. 1582 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,180 Why? Why are you in New York so much? 1583 01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:29,660 - Just to get out of England for a while, 1584 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,700 to get away from that kind of constant bitching. 1585 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,300 - It's a very difficult period for me because 1586 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,020 we were drifting apart and it did feel like 1587 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,300 there were sort of like these, 1588 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,900 you know, hyenas like gathering around him, 1589 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,220 gathering around him, you know, drawing him in, you know. 1590 01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:45,860 - Someone said to me the other day in the elevator, 1591 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,260 it stopped at the 16th floor, and they said, 1592 01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,100 "Oh, are you with the Boy?" 1593 01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,700 And I said, "No, the Boy's with me." 1594 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:51,759 (interviewer laughing) (clicks fingers) 1595 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,260 - We're really good friends and I don't really give a damn 1596 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,020 what people think about our friendship. 1597 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,340 - Most of the fab people George meets, 1598 01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:58,460 I introduce him to. 1599 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,580 - Actually he paid for my airfare. Thanks. 1600 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,180 There was this sense around that time where 1601 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,540 I was going somewhere else. 1602 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,660 You know, part of you wants to walk away 1603 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,940 and the other part of you thinks well, what if I do that 1604 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,900 and it all goes belly up and I never have another chance? 1605 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:18,100 So, there's a lot of dilemma around that time. 1606 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,080 (machine whirring) 1607 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,060 - [Reporter] Sunday morning, Sarm Studios. 1608 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,140 The press are here, the TV are here and so are the law. 1609 01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,540 Now with all due respect to Bob Geldof and Midge Ure, 1610 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,740 it's not just them who've drawn them here. 1611 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,140 It's the all-star cast they've assembled to sing 1612 01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:36,780 on a record for Ethiopia. 1613 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,940 (machines whirring) 1614 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,780 ♪ It's Christmas time ♪ 1615 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,360 - I missed out on Band Aid and Roy did as well. 1616 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,500 There's an excuse that we were in New York 1617 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,140 partying at the time and couldn't be found. 1618 01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,060 - I got a phone call from Bob last night telling me to come. 1619 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:02,140 And Phil Collins is going to be here, which is wonderful. 1620 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:03,580 So, I've put off loads of things. 1621 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,140 Never mind, came back from America early as well. 1622 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,240 And George is coming back tonight. 1623 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,060 - That was a bit naughty I thought, you know. 1624 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,340 - They've got Duran Duran, and George is coming later. 1625 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:14,560 There's Sting here, all the Boomtown Rats. 1626 01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:19,420 - Jon's thing is I didn't know it was going to be 1627 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:20,460 what it was, you know. 1628 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,500 I just went down and, you know, 1629 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,580 I'm like, alright, whatever. 1630 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,919 - [Photographer] Okay, I think we're pretty well there. 1631 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,420 Just give me a second. 1632 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,000 - Jon loved fame. Jon loved fame a lot. 1633 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,200 Jon liked being recognised and being known. 1634 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:41,980 - The other guys were furious cause I was in it 1635 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,860 and they weren't. (laughing) 1636 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,220 I didn't know. I didn't do it deliberately. 1637 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,380 It wasn't like I went, "Ooh, let's cut them out." 1638 01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:55,120 But I was asked to do it and I went to do it, you know? 1639 01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,460 And I also felt like I was representing them anyway. 1640 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:03,060 ♪ And in our world of plenty ♪ 1641 01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:07,420 ♪ We can spread a smile of joy ♪ 1642 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,660 ♪ Throw your arms around the world ♪ 1643 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,760 ♪ At Christmas time ♪ 1644 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,260 - [Mikey] Yeah, I kind of got over that. 1645 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:18,060 - Everybody's quite good. 1646 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,540 - Although every Christmas now I see the bloomin' video 1647 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:21,660 and I'm not in it. (laughing) 1648 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,940 And Roy's not in it either. 1649 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,860 But the thing that hurt me most of all 1650 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,060 was not being part of Live Aid. 1651 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,820 - Tomorrow the world's leading rock musicians get together 1652 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,700 to stage Live Aid, the biggest charity show ever. 1653 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,340 Pictures of the event staged simultaneously in London 1654 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,620 and Philadelphia will be beamed by satellite 1655 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,540 to more than 140 countries, 1656 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,720 taking the global audience to more than a billion people. 1657 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,340 - Bob Geldof called us up and he said, 1658 01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:55,220 "Will you guys do Live Aid?" 1659 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:56,820 - [Reporter] The charity had secured promises 1660 01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,980 to participate from Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger, 1661 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,940 while The Who are to reform especially for the event. 1662 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,140 - And George said, "Yes, we'll do it." 1663 01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,460 - It will be obviously the concert of the decade at least, 1664 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,300 I would say. 1665 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,140 - And then a day or two later, 1666 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,180 George calls Bob Geldof's office, says, 1667 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,280 "We're not doing it." 1668 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,060 And this went on and on. 1669 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,060 We're doing it, we're not doing it, we're doing it, 1670 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,220 we're not doing it. 1671 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:23,060 - On Saturday morning, 1672 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,420 this stadium is going to be packed with 72,000 1673 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,380 screaming fans, ready to witness 1674 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:30,100 the world's largest rock 'n' roll concert ever. 1675 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,740 - Finally, I heard that Bob Geldof said, 1676 01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,760 "Fuck off," click. And that was it. 1677 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,380 - [Reporter] The bands have rehearsed 1678 01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:41,540 and the technicians are ready. 1679 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,920 Now the world is waiting for Live Aid. 1680 01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,420 - Charitable things always resonate with me. 1681 01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,900 And this was one of the biggest events in pop music 1682 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,620 and I couldn't be part of it. 1683 01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:00,260 (crowd cheering) (crowd applauding) 1684 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:04,100 - I remember sitting there watching it and thinking 1685 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,060 why aren't we doing this? 1686 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,820 (ceremonial music) 1687 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,980 This is history in the making, in any context, 1688 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,400 not just music history, that we weren't part of. 1689 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,580 And I find that very upsetting. 1690 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,280 (upbeat music) 1691 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,220 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1692 01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,340 ♪ I said ♪ 1693 01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:36,500 ♪ We can be heroes just for one ♪ 1694 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,220 - [Mikey] I was out of the country and I came back 1695 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,320 and I stayed at a hotel. 1696 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:46,820 I put my bags down and I turned the TV on... 1697 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,220 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1698 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,580 - [Mikey] And there was Bowie and hordes of fans 1699 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:52,940 in front of him. 1700 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,540 And Bowie was singing, "We can be heroes just for one day." 1701 01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,900 ♪ Just for one day ♪ 1702 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,420 - [Mikey] And tears were coming down the fans' faces 1703 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,900 because of the way the lyric resonated with them 1704 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,500 on that occasion. 1705 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,520 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1706 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,220 - [Mikey] And I just started crying as well. 1707 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,220 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1708 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,060 - [Mikey] I thought to myself, 1709 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,920 "Shit, I'm not gonna be there." 1710 01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,940 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1711 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,300 ♪ I said ♪ 1712 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,700 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1713 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,060 ♪ Just for one day ♪ 1714 01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,700 (crowd cheering) (crowd applauding) 1715 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:44,160 - That was a real down moment in Culture Club for me. 1716 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,200 That was very hurtful. 1717 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,460 - The universe made the decision to stop me 1718 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,980 from performing 'cause I think I wouldn't want to look back 1719 01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,140 and go, "Oh my God, that was so bad." 1720 01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,700 And people were so good on that day. 1721 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,260 - We discovered a couple of days after 1722 01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,860 that George was using. 1723 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,560 (upbeat music) 1724 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,900 - [Roy] To suddenly find out that he was off in Jamaica 1725 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,660 getting wasted with Marilyn was quite shocking, 1726 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,760 I must admit. 1727 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,500 - Davina! - Davina! 1728 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,020 - Listen, George is very sick. 1729 01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:28,980 He has actually been sick. 1730 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,260 I'm a bit worried about him actually. 1731 01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:31,319 So, hopefully he'll be along tonight. 1732 01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:32,740 He does send his love, sort of. 1733 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,180 He sort of went, "(vocalising) I send my love to Davina," 1734 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,900 and he says he's very sorry, right. 1735 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:37,740 So, it's just us two. 1736 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,060 Anyway, so let's get on to some questions. 1737 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,300 - George was the last person I thought 1738 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,580 would get into drugs. 1739 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,140 Last person. 1740 01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,060 We were always sneaking behind his back 1741 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,980 when me and Mikey were participating. 1742 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,940 You know, it was like, "Don't let George find out," 1743 01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,500 you know. 1744 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,180 - It was strange really because by the time 1745 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,240 we'd stopped doing it all, then he began. 1746 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,220 - [Boy George] Spliff was the first thing I did. 1747 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,260 I thought, oh that's not so bad. 1748 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,660 You know, and then it was like from that point, 1749 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,220 really once I'd sort of opened that Pandora's box, 1750 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,320 that was it. 1751 01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,560 (bass booming) 1752 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:23,580 - I saw him one day and he was with Marilyn and I said, 1753 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:24,660 "Are you alright, George?" 1754 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:25,700 And he was stoned. 1755 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:26,900 Now for George, he got drunk 1756 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,000 but he didn't really take drugs. 1757 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,880 It seemed like it happened overnight. 1758 01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,100 He went from smoking dope to smack in about six weeks 1759 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,200 or something, you know. 1760 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,300 Especially with that kind of drug is that 1761 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,140 people want you in. 1762 01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:45,100 You know, you're in. 1763 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,340 It's like, you know, you're in and they want to keep you in. 1764 01:17:48,440 --> 01:17:49,140 You say, "I don't fancy it," 1765 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,020 "Oh, come on, you know, come on." 1766 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:51,879 - I love it when the rest of Culture Club 1767 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,620 talk about my drug problem. 1768 01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,940 They never talk about their own. 1769 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,460 (laughs) They got away with that. 1770 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,540 - [Producer] George says that you guys all got away with it. 1771 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,200 (Roy laughing) 1772 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:05,660 - Well, publicly, yes. 1773 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,220 You know, I'm sober 16 years so, you know, 1774 01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:10,820 I don't know if that's getting away with it. 1775 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,520 (gentle music) 1776 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,960 - Everything got quite extreme. 1777 01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,940 It went into a place that I didn't really understand. 1778 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,600 (sombre music) 1779 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:36,040 We were in Montreux making an album with Arif Mardin. 1780 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,860 - [Mikey] The clue's in the title again. 1781 01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,960 "From Luxury To Heartache." 1782 01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,180 - There's some gems on that record which, 1783 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,900 unfortunately because of the drama in the band, 1784 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,140 never got really recognised like I think it should have. 1785 01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,640 There were some really good tunes on that album. 1786 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,440 There was a bit of dark days towards the end there. 1787 01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,340 Alison was pregnant. 1788 01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:03,100 We were having a kid and they booked this tour 1789 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,100 and I was just like, this is mad. 1790 01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:06,980 George is not doing well. 1791 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,620 I want to be there for the birth of my kid. 1792 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:09,860 Let's just all take a break. 1793 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,700 So, that was the end of that phase really. 1794 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,520 We didn't really get to promote "Luxury To Heartache." 1795 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,140 ♪ I would give the world to you girl ♪ 1796 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:25,500 ♪ Or anything you need ♪ 1797 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,660 ♪ There is nothing I won't do ♪ 1798 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,140 ♪ Just promise that you'll never leave ♪ 1799 01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:38,220 ♪ God thank you woman ♪ 1800 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,980 ♪ Thank you, thank you for the joy that you give ♪ 1801 01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,140 Brilliant song. 1802 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,620 ♪ God thank you woman ♪ 1803 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,940 And the video was so great. 1804 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,440 We had like Sophia Loren dancing around Jon's drum kit. 1805 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,900 But I think we were at a point when we released that song 1806 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,580 where we were so dysfunctional. 1807 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,860 I mean me and Jon were throwing fire extinguishers 1808 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,100 at each other. 1809 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,720 And like, he used to set fire to my dressing room. 1810 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,820 He tried to hit me with a wine glass. 1811 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,140 I threw a plant on his head as he was going to the set. 1812 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:10,900 I mean it was insane. 1813 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,420 ♪ I hurt you darling ♪ 1814 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,240 ♪ I made you cry ♪ 1815 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,700 - George was taking heroin basically. 1816 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,060 A lot of heroin. 1817 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,940 And he was for all intents and purposes a junkie. 1818 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,460 ♪ Move, move, move away from me darling ♪ 1819 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:30,820 - [Jon] I mean he'd be in the singing booth. 1820 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,500 Arif would say, "Okay George, let's do the track." 1821 01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:33,580 And you'd hear this clump, you know, 1822 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,680 and George had just like fallen over. 1823 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,380 - It was traumatic. It was awful. 1824 01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:43,480 It was awful. 1825 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,800 At that point, it was me causing all the trouble. 1826 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,540 I'll be honest and say that it was me. 1827 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,580 It was getting a reaction, 1828 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:54,940 'cause Jon was like he didn't care. 1829 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:56,380 And that was what annoyed me. 1830 01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,040 (sombre music) 1831 01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,240 - I just, I couldn't do it. 1832 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,800 And basically one day I thought, you know, 1833 01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,420 I'm just going to act as if I'm a robot. 1834 01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,460 I know this sounds weird. 1835 01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,220 So, I'd sit there and roll a joint, 1836 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:16,380 roll a joint get a cup of coffee. 1837 01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:18,480 Do this, do that, do that. 1838 01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,020 I didn't feel like a person. 1839 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,340 (sombre music continues) 1840 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,400 And basically feeling like I was a slave. 1841 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,080 I was just doing everything that was asked of me. 1842 01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:32,500 But it wasn't like communication. 1843 01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,300 Somebody would say, "Make me a cup of tea." 1844 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:35,140 Make a cup of tea. 1845 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,780 "Oh thanks", you know, "Okay". 1846 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,880 "Oh, do this." Okay, do that. 1847 01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,100 - You know, this guy has said he loved me 1848 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,220 and then suddenly it was like he didn't give a shit 1849 01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,500 and he was just happy to be getting on with his life. 1850 01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,460 (sombre music continues) 1851 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,360 I just, you know, that horrible feeling that you get. 1852 01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:56,580 Why was I with this guy? 1853 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:57,780 Why did I put up with it? 1854 01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,060 Why did I stay in the band? 1855 01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:01,580 Why, why, why? 1856 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,940 - The fact was that there was no understanding 1857 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,620 of how I felt. 1858 01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,380 There was no empathy or understanding. 1859 01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:12,020 I couldn't just make everything alright, 1860 01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,120 just by being a cypher. 1861 01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,820 It was like not being alive. 1862 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,700 (sombre music continues) 1863 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,380 So, I wanted to live. 1864 01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:23,480 I wanted to live again. 1865 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,840 So, I had to extract myself. 1866 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,460 - I felt a bit like used, I have to say, at that point. 1867 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,080 I felt a bit disappointed that I'd kind of fallen for it. 1868 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,260 - George went off and then I didn't hear from him 1869 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,460 for a while, and then I'd see him. 1870 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,700 God, he was at some festival in South London. 1871 01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,940 - George was part of an anti-apartheid concert 1872 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,540 on Clapham Common, which was televised. 1873 01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,940 And you could see that he had been using 1874 01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,780 because he tried to do make-up like a geisha 1875 01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,860 and there was flour daubed all over his face. 1876 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,700 You couldn't understand one lyric he was singing. 1877 01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,800 - In Manchester (indistinct). 1878 01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,300 - Oh, George man, what are you doing? 1879 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,780 It's really sad. And it was hard to watch. 1880 01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:23,860 It was really hard to watch. 1881 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,220 (ominous music) 1882 01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,980 - The pop industry, well used to shock revelations 1883 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,660 about its stars and their lifestyles, 1884 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,740 must still be reeling tonight following claims 1885 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,140 that Boy George is addicted to heroin. 1886 01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,860 - Are you a heroin addict? - No, no, no. 1887 01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,740 And anyway, I mean anybody with any medical knowledge 1888 01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,860 would know that I mean, a heroin addict 1889 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,220 could not take eight grammes of heroin a day, 1890 01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,340 and certainly not be able to sit here like this. 1891 01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:51,460 - [Reporter] Do you take any drugs at all? 1892 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,420 - No, no. 1893 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:54,660 - I don't think anybody could reach him. 1894 01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,040 I think his family tried desperately to help. 1895 01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,500 I know his mother was going through his drawers 1896 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,460 and throwing out drugs and pouring pills down the toilet 1897 01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:04,540 and all the rest of it. 1898 01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,460 - David O'Dowd, is this story true? 1899 01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,580 Is your brother addicted to heroin? 1900 01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,180 - Yes. 1901 01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,580 - Have you asked him to get medical help? 1902 01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:13,420 - Yes. 1903 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:14,700 - [Reporter] And what's his response been? 1904 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,220 - He said that he's not a drug addict. 1905 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:17,900 - The problem with addiction is 1906 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,060 if you're not ready to stop it, 1907 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,340 it doesn't matter what treatment you have. 1908 01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:24,340 No-one can stop you until you're ready to stop. 1909 01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,980 - British rock star Boy George is a heroin addict 1910 01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,900 and is now undergoing treatment for his addiction. 1911 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,500 That word came today from the chairman 1912 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,780 of Boy George's record company. 1913 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,180 - I went to Richard Branson's house 1914 01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:35,780 but it just prolonged the agony, you know. 1915 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,180 It meant I went into like hideous withdrawal and, 1916 01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,380 you know, had to put up with it. 1917 01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:44,900 - He's now very determined to overcome it 1918 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,620 and he's gone through some of the more 1919 01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,460 unpleasant side of the treatment. 1920 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,380 - I was suspicious of everybody's motives around me. 1921 01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:54,940 Why do you want to help me? 1922 01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,300 Because there was that sense of people 1923 01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,380 protecting their asset. 1924 01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:02,180 - The most difficult time I think actually is going to be 1925 01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:03,700 when he comes back to the real world 1926 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:08,940 and has to cope with, you know, the press and the media 1927 01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,340 and everything again. 1928 01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:12,540 (printing press whirring) 1929 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,400 (sinister music) 1930 01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,740 - It's been primarily the London press 1931 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,980 that's been pushing all these reports about Boy George's 1932 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,820 supposed drug addiction, some people think 1933 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,060 almost obsessively. 1934 01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,460 A few days ago, the Sun newspaper reported that 1935 01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,780 Boy George would be dead by September. 1936 01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,640 (sinister music) 1937 01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:47,740 - It was the press that really stirred up this frenzy. 1938 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,900 There was like headlines, get him, find him. 1939 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,860 (suspenseful music) 1940 01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,920 It was like being a sort of hunted animal for a while. 1941 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,040 I read everything and I do get affected, yeah. 1942 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,100 In America, lunatics assassinate pop stars. 1943 01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,200 In England, the press do it. (laughing) 1944 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,340 - [Reporter] Boy, is George in trouble tonight. 1945 01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:14,140 The London police are hunting him for questioning. 1946 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:15,740 One of his brothers and three other people 1947 01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:16,980 have been arrested. 1948 01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,780 Some friends and the singer Marilyn all were arrested 1949 01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:20,940 on drug charges. 1950 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:26,040 (ominous music) (cameras clicking) 1951 01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,500 - It seemed like everything had been smashed up 1952 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,700 for no reason. 1953 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,460 It was like everything that had happened had sort of gone, 1954 01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,560 turned to shit. 1955 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,580 It was like a hornet's nest and everything erupted. 1956 01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,060 The papers, the drugs. 1957 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,220 Not just somebody taking heroin but dark stuff. 1958 01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,660 Dark people, very bad things going on. 1959 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,400 And you're powerless to do anything about it. 1960 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,260 - [Reporter] And in August, his musician friend died 1961 01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,040 from an overdose at the singer's mansion in Hampstead. 1962 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:06,359 - That's actually really horrible. It upsets me. 1963 01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,800 I have a bit of trouble talking about it. 1964 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,500 - [Reporter] George O'Dowd has been charged 1965 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,580 with possession of heroin. 1966 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,140 He will be bailed to appear 1967 01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:16,300 at Marylebone Magistrate's Court. 1968 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,940 - Around that time, I was kind of forced into recovery. 1969 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:21,780 It wasn't like a sort of conscious choice. 1970 01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,140 It was like a forced thing. 1971 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,700 (melancholic music) 1972 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,780 I mean listen, it took years. 1973 01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,020 Let's not sit here and say it was a one time job. 1974 01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:33,460 It was over and over. 1975 01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,140 It was like, people were exasperated. 1976 01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,260 But I know I got to the point where I was out of chances. 1977 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,260 I got to that point where I thought, right, 1978 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:42,780 this is like I've got to stop. 1979 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,560 (ominous music) 1980 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,460 When, you know, people have drug problems 1981 01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,860 when they're taking drugs it's fine 'cause they're numb. 1982 01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,220 They're non people, you know. 1983 01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:01,060 I mean, when I was taking drugs, as far as I was concerned, 1984 01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,100 I was a non person. 1985 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,660 I didn't have any feelings for anybody 1986 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:06,780 or care about anybody. 1987 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,020 Even people that cared about me, I didn't care about them. 1988 01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:11,199 - [Producer] Were you still in love with George? 1989 01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,560 - Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. For a long time. 1990 01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:17,480 I still love George. I still love him. 1991 01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,180 I still love him but, you know, 1992 01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,280 it took me a long, long time. 1993 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,400 I thought it didn't, you know, but it took me a long time. 1994 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,100 You know, I had relationships but I'd find myself thinking 1995 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,900 of George, you know, like be fine and then, you know, 1996 01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,060 'cause it was really, it was really, you know, proper love. 1997 01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,720 (sombre music) 1998 01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,240 Proper love. 1999 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,420 (upbeat music) 2000 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,520 - George went into rehab. 2001 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,340 Everybody was taking, you know, a break. 2002 01:29:08,440 --> 01:29:13,440 And then I thought, "Well, okay, that might be it then." 2003 01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,860 - Part of me was thinking, maybe if we just did end it, 2004 01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,580 like Paul Weller did with The Jam or whoever, 2005 01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,940 you know, whatever bands did at the time. 2006 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,340 Maybe they were smart. 2007 01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:25,780 - We never really broke up. 2008 01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,880 We just said, let's take some time. 2009 01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:30,580 - Culture Club's Culture Club. 2010 01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,460 I mean, it just comes back all the time. 2011 01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,780 It's like a boomerang, you know, except it's a boomerang 2012 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,880 that comes back with different colours. 2013 01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:42,500 - Everybody had their own thing they wanted to do 2014 01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:43,580 as well, you know. 2015 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,760 And Jon used to say the funniest thing. 2016 01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,380 When we looked back at it, he said well, first, 2017 01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:51,260 it was Culture Club. 2018 01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,340 Then it was Culture Club and Boy George. 2019 01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:55,500 Then it was just Boy George. 2020 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:56,860 And then it was Boy George and the hat. 2021 01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,960 And then it was just the hat. 2022 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,820 - Culture Club is my life, whether I want to 2023 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:06,660 get away from it or not. 2024 01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:08,700 I mean, I just sued the band and here I am 2025 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,220 doing a documentary about it, you know. 2026 01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,460 And we might do some gigs together. 2027 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,300 I mean, it's a wonderful thing. 2028 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,180 It's had some terrible things but we're all still here, 2029 01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:19,220 thank God. 2030 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,660 So, it's been an amazing journey 2031 01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,980 and it's an incredible band. 2032 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,420 And George is an amazing person, he really is. 2033 01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:27,300 (crowd cheering) 2034 01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,960 - Thank you for being so wonderful. 2035 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:36,020 This song is all about how hard it is to beat the clock 2036 01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:37,300 and it goes like this. 2037 01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,180 (upbeat music) 2038 01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,300 I've actually never been on stage with them and felt like 2039 01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,580 I didn't want to be there. 2040 01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,160 So, somewhere in there, there's love. 2041 01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,580 (laughing) Peculiar type of love, 2042 01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,340 but there is definitely love in there. 2043 01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:58,700 ♪ Don't put your head on my shoulder ♪ 2044 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,820 ♪ Sink me in a river of tears ♪ 2045 01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,260 ♪ This could be the best place yet ♪ 2046 01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,620 ♪ But you must overcome your fears ♪ 2047 01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,060 ♪ Ooh, in time ♪ 2048 01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:11,900 - We've had a lot of drama 2049 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,420 but there's no question that we've given a lot. 2050 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:17,260 We have. 2051 01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,540 You know, we've given a lot of ourselves and our music 2052 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,340 and positivity to the world. 2053 01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:24,320 You know, you can't say Culture Club has been a bad thing. 2054 01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,380 ♪ Because time won't give me time ♪ 2055 01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:32,380 ♪ And time makes lovers feel ♪ 2056 01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:35,340 ♪ Like they've got something real ♪ 2057 01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:37,820 ♪ But you and me we know ♪ 2058 01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,260 ♪ They've got nothing ♪ 2059 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,580 - I'm 67 now, I'm getting old. 2060 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,500 So, people do want to hark back to the greatest time 2061 01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:46,340 in their life. 2062 01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,420 I mean we were the biggest band in the world at one point 2063 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,180 which is, I think that's a good achievement. 2064 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,180 Even for a day, that's not bad, you know. 2065 01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:54,420 ♪ Time ♪ 2066 01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,520 ♪ Time ♪ 2067 01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:59,020 - [Mikey] I learned a lot from Jon. 2068 01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:02,460 I learned a lot from George, and Roy. 2069 01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,140 ♪ Time is like a clock in my heart ♪ 2070 01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,220 - Those were the right four people to be Culture Club, 2071 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:12,400 and somehow the universe I guess just put us together. 2072 01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:19,860 - Obviously, things never happen the way you 2073 01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,100 think they do but, you know, and that's the thing about 2074 01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,100 getting older is that you kind of, 2075 01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,060 (spray can clicking) 2076 01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,660 you know, you look back and think. 2077 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,500 ♪ Time won't give me time ♪ 2078 01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,380 Did it happen quite the way I thought it did? 2079 01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:40,340 And does it matter? (laughing) 2080 01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:41,500 (crowd cheering) 2081 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,160 (upbeat music) 2082 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:54,940 ♪ There's a loving in your eyes all the way ♪ 2083 01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:59,940 ♪ If I listen to your lies, would you say ♪ 2084 01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:05,100 ♪ I'm a man without conviction ♪ 2085 01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:10,220 ♪ I'm a man who doesn't know ♪ 2086 01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:15,300 ♪ How to sell a contradiction ♪ 2087 01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,940 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2088 01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,340 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2089 01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:25,660 ♪ Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon ♪ 2090 01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,380 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2091 01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:31,620 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2092 01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:36,020 ♪ Loving would be easy if your colours were like my dreams ♪ 2093 01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,500 ♪ Red, gold and green ♪ 2094 01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,660 ♪ Red, gold and green ♪ 2095 01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:46,820 ♪ Didn't hear your wicked words every day ♪ 2096 01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:51,820 ♪ And you used to be so sweet, I heard you say ♪ 2097 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:56,940 ♪ That my love was an addiction ♪ 2098 01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:02,060 ♪ When we cling, our love is strong ♪ 2099 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:07,220 ♪ When you go, you're gone forever ♪ 2100 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,820 ♪ You string along ♪ 2101 01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,180 ♪ You string along ♪ 2102 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,780 ♪ Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon ♪ 2103 01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,300 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2104 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,740 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2105 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,980 ♪ Loving would be easy if your colours were like my dreams ♪ 2106 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,460 ♪ Red, gold and green ♪ 2107 01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,300 ♪ Red, gold and green ♪ 2108 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,020 Sing it. 2109 01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:38,140 ♪ Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon ♪ 2110 01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,700 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2111 01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,020 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2112 01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:48,260 ♪ Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon ♪ 2113 01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,900 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2114 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,140 ♪ You come and go ♪ 2115 01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:58,180 ♪ Loving would be easy if your colours were like my dreams ♪ 2116 01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,580 ♪ Red, gold and green ♪ 2117 01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,140 ♪ Red, gold and green ♪ 2118 01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,620 ♪ Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon ♪ 2119 01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,480 (fans screaming)