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PAUL MCCARTNEY: Yeah.

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♪

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We were told that,
you'll never make it from Liverpool.

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You'll never make it.

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Of course, that just
strengthened our resolve.

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"We'll show you, mate."

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You know?
Yeah.

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We thought we were different.

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Yeah.
We knew we were different.

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And then that, um...
found its way into the music.

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♪ Lovely Rita playing ♪

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♪ Ah ♪

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♪ Lovely Rita, meter maid ♪

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♪ Lovely Rita, meter maid ♪

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PAUL [on recording]:
♪ Lovely Rita, meter maid ♪

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♪ Nothing can come between us ♪

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♪ When it gets dark
I tow your heart away ♪

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♪ Standing by a parking meter ♪

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♪ When I caught a glimpse of Rita ♪

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♪ Filling in a ticket
in her little white book ♪

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♪ In a cap
she looked much older ♪

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♪ And the bag
across her shoulder ♪

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♪ Made her look a little
like a military man ♪

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♪ Paul humming music ♪

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PAUL: Hm.
RICK RUBIN: It's just so interesting.

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The choices
you're making in the playing.

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♪

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I think the bass is really straight.

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Pretty straight, yeah.

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I come in and ruin it.

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Good thing you wrote it.

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♪ Lovely Rita, meter maid ♪

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♪ Where would I be without you? ♪

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♪ Give us a wink
and make me think of you ♪

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♪ Lovely Rita meter maid ♪

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♪ Lovely Rita meter maid ♪

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It feels almost like
the bass is doing

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like what an orchestra
would do, you know.

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It's adding all
of the other counterpoint...

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Yeah.
...and extra rhythm.

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But then when the vocal comes in,
I get out the way.

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[humming]

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But then I come back,
I'm too tempted

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[rapid humming]
Yeah, yeah.

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But, uh, I like
doing that, you know.

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You started
as a guitar player though.

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Yeah, me and John were
the guitar players. Yeah.

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I used to think I could be lead guitar.

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Yeah.

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Because at home, I could,
I could play nice little songs.

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But I got terrible stage fright
at a place in Liverpool

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um, called Broadway,
funnily enough.

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Oh, it just came my time
to play the solo

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and I, aah,

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I, like, froze, you know,

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sticky fingers
and nothing would work.

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And after that, I thought,
right, no more lead.

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That's it, you know, we'll give that
to somebody else.

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Wow.

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But yeah, I did start on guitar,
originally acoustic,

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and then, uh,
when we went to Hamburg,

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I bought a little electric guitar,
very cheap.

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But it looked good.
Yeah.

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Looked kind of rock and roll.

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Kind of red thing,

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Rosetti Lucky 7.

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But it was terrible.

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But I couldyou know, it worked
until we got to Hamburg

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and then it fell apart.

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So then I would, I was turning
my back on the audience

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and playing piano.

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But it was good. Good practice.

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For a bass player, we had Stuart,

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who was a friend of John's
from art school,

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but he ended up wanting
to stay in Hamburg

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because he fell in love.

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So then it was a question of me,
John, or George becoming the bass player,

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and the two of them said,
well, I'm not doing it.

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[both laugh]

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So it wasI was left.

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Were you already writing songs
at this point or not really?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Even from the Hamburg days?

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Before.

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Really?
Yeah.

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I wrote, um,
my first one when I was like 14.

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Wow.

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And that was just a little,
little guitar thing.

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Uh, do you want me to show you?
Yes.

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Okay.
Let's go.

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I will find a guitar.

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♪

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Yeah, I liked the idea
that the baseline would go up.

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Then I wanted this to come down.

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So you get that little thing.
That was the big thing for me.

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Yeah.
So it was just

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♪ I woke up late this morning ♪

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♪ My head was in a whirl ♪

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♪ Only then I realized ♪

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♪ I lost my little girl ♪

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♪ Her clothes were not expensive ♪

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♪ Her hair didn't always curl ♪

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♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah ♪

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♪

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But it is interesting,
the first song I should write

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has got a little
contra vocal thing going.

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Absolutely.

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I'm fingering down on that

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Two parts going on
at the same time right out of the box.

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Yeah.
Unusual for a young kid.

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Yeah. You know,
and it's a funny thing

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as you get older, you think,

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well, how did I know that?

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Yes.
And I, I haven't got an answer.

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♪ vocalizing ♪

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♪

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♪

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When John and I had got together

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and I told him about
that little song that I'd written,

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and I'd written a couple of others.

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And he said, so have I.

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And that was,
that was the big difference.

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I talked to other people,

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and they sort of said,
"Well, what do you do?"

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I said, "Oh, I've got a hobby,

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I kind of, I've written
a couple of songs."

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And most people would just
ignore that and go,

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"Oh okay, you know, what sports
do you like," and move on.

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But, uh, when I said that to John,
he said, "Yeah, so have I."

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I said, "Oh yeah, great.

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"Well, let me see yours,

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I'll show you mine,"
kind of thing, you know.

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And that was it.

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We, we started writing together

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with that in mind, you know.

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♪ This Boy playing ♪

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♪

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♪ That boy ♪

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You know, we were trying
to make money.

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We were kind of guys,
none of us was rich,

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so we would play pubs and ballrooms.

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The Aintree Institute
would have, like, a dance.

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RICK: Hmm.

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PAUL: But when we'd got
Brian Epstein as our manager,

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Brian said, you could play cabaret clubs,

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but you'll have to smarten up.
Hm.

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Because we were a bit rock and roll.
Yeah.

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He says you'll have
to sort of smarten up,

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and you'll have to do
your more sort of ballady songs.

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It can't just be
a straight rock and roll set.

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Mmhmm.

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But you could see this
at a cabaret club.

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Yeah, for sure.

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You know, ladies and gentlemen,
presenting the Beatles.

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[Rick laughs]
Lights go down, little spots come up.

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♪ Back again ♪

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Let's see.

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And then we get John's

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JOHN LENNON [on recording]:
♪ Oh, and this boy ♪

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RICK: No music.

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♪ Would be happy ♪

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♪ Just to love you ♪

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♪ But oh my ♪

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♪ That boy ♪

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♪ Won't be happy ♪

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[singing along]
♪ Till he's seen you cry ♪

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♪ This boy ♪

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RICK: That was beautiful.
Yeah.

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♪ Wouldn't mind the pain ♪

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♪

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You know, we wanted to, um,
show different sides of ourselves.

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We could've just been
one guy sings the vocal

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and we'll back him up.

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But we kept wanting
to stretch it a little bit.

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So this whole song is just
a threepart harmony thing.

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♪ This boy ♪

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♪

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♪ This boy ♪

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Those were exciting things
to do, you know,

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to, to branch out like that.

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Then we wanted to add
these other layers,

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which as the Beatles went on,
we added more and more.

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♪ Something playing ♪

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GEORGE HARRISON [on recording]:
♪ Something in the way she moves ♪

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♪ Attracts me like no other lover ♪

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♪ Something in the way
she woos me ♪

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♪ I don't want to leave her now ♪

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[indiscernible chatter]

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♪ You know I believe and how ♪

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♪

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♪ Somewhere in her smile
she knows ♪

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What is going on with the bass?

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Like, it's the greatest thing
I've ever heard.

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Oh.
How did this happen?

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I mean
How does this exist?

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It's very tempting when you're
on the bass to sort of go

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[imitating bass guitar]

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And I probably started simple.

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[imitating bass guitar]
Yeah.

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And then you might find that the bit
we were kind of liking,

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it's a nice little melody.

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♪

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♪ You're asking me
will my love grow ♪

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It's doing so much work

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that really is
in the service of the record.

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It's pretty adventurous, you know.

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Did you have that
all worked out before the

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No.

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So tell me what happens
the day of this recording.

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What happens?

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Um... George comes in,
shows us the song.

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That would just be with a guitar
and all just 'round,

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a couple of chairs
'round a little circle.

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It was all fairly instant.
Yeah.

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You know, it's just
we've got to do this song.

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We've got to do it.
Let's just try it every which way,

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until we settle on,
oh yeah, this feels good.

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It's the interaction.

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Yeah.

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♪

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[humming]

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Yeah.

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♪

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♪ song ends ♪

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Classic George song.

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Alright.
[claps]

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Do you remember after finishing
the song, thinking

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It's a good one.
Did you feel that?

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Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I think you know the good songs.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Would it be whoever wrote the song

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would sort of have the vision
for the project for that?

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Normally was, yeah.
And then I'd butt in.

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[laughs]

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And they'd hate me for it.

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I'd go, "But it's a good idea, boys."

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If you had a good idea, it's like

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Mmhmm.
Got to get 'em in.

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Yeah.
Got to get them in.

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I mean, it was kind of
an awkward thing, you know,

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that if you had a good idea for something,

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you'd say it.
Yeah.

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But often the other guy would
sort of say, well, you play it.

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Yeah.

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You know, there was
there was a lot of freedom.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we did that a lot.

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Like, I think I talked to George
a lot about the solo on Taxman.

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And I think that's what happened.

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He said, "Well, you play it."

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♪ Taxman ♪

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♪

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No wonder
George said you do it.

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But what was the insp
Like, what were you

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I don't know, just free, free.

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I mean, and a little bit
of Indian in there, too.

260
00:12:12,274 --> 00:12:13,404
Yeah.

261
00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,150
I wouldn't have thought about it
or written it or anything.

262
00:12:16,153 --> 00:12:19,993
It would just be like, oh, it's,
the track's so cooking...
Yeah.

263
00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:22,870
...that if we're going to have a solo,
it should be just ridiculous.

264
00:12:22,868 --> 00:12:26,158
[imitating guitar riff]

265
00:12:26,163 --> 00:12:27,123
Amazing.
You know.

266
00:12:27,122 --> 00:12:31,922
♪ Yeah, I'm the Taxman ♪

267
00:12:33,462 --> 00:12:35,012
PAUL: Nice bass lick as well.

268
00:12:35,005 --> 00:12:37,665
♪ If you drive a car,
I'll tax the street ♪

269
00:12:37,674 --> 00:12:41,014
♪ If you try to sit,
I'll tax your seat ♪

270
00:12:41,011 --> 00:12:44,721
♪ If you get too cold,
I'll tax the heat ♪

271
00:12:44,723 --> 00:12:48,853
♪ If you take a walk,
I'll tax your feet ♪

272
00:12:49,728 --> 00:12:53,068
It was funny because it was like
a doubleedged sword.

273
00:12:53,065 --> 00:12:56,105
People sort of saying,
well, couldn't you just play straighter,

274
00:12:56,693 --> 00:12:59,153
you know, and I'm going,
I don't know.

275
00:12:59,154 --> 00:13:01,784
I think it lends something
doing all this.

276
00:13:01,782 --> 00:13:05,332
I did get sort of reprimanded
once or twice,

277
00:13:05,327 --> 00:13:07,747
for just being too busy.
Yeah.

278
00:13:07,746 --> 00:13:11,496
But you know, by that time
I'd heard James Jamerson.

279
00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:15,630
♪ singing "What's Going On" ♪

280
00:13:16,380 --> 00:13:18,420
♪

281
00:13:41,738 --> 00:13:42,908
He was great.

282
00:13:42,906 --> 00:13:46,326
He had melodic baselines,
and I love that.

283
00:13:46,702 --> 00:13:50,212
It kind of opened my eyes to it.
It was like, oh yeah, wow.

284
00:13:50,205 --> 00:13:53,165
Yeah.
You can groove, make it move, you know.

285
00:13:53,542 --> 00:13:56,132
Because originally, the bass player

286
00:13:56,128 --> 00:13:59,088
in the groups in Liverpool,
it was the fat guy.

287
00:13:59,089 --> 00:14:00,379
[laughs]

288
00:14:00,382 --> 00:14:02,052
And he would just stand
at the back

289
00:14:02,050 --> 00:14:06,890
[imitating bass guitar]

290
00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:09,389
And the guitar player...
[imitating guitar riff]

291
00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:10,981
He had all the fancy stuff.

292
00:14:11,435 --> 00:14:13,975
But later, when I heard people
like James Jamerson,

293
00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:16,476
I realized, wow, you can,

294
00:14:17,441 --> 00:14:20,151
you can really do
a big thing with a bass.

295
00:14:20,152 --> 00:14:22,782
You can actually control
the band with the bass.

296
00:14:22,779 --> 00:14:23,699
It's interesting.

297
00:14:23,697 --> 00:14:27,487
And it's, it's in some ways,
is why we're having this conversation is

298
00:14:28,452 --> 00:14:30,542
the fascination
with how important the bass is

299
00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:32,617
in the context of these songs.

300
00:14:32,623 --> 00:14:34,633
And the songs are so ubiquitous
in our culture

301
00:14:34,625 --> 00:14:36,705
that we don't really think
of them in pieces.

302
00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:37,670
Hm.
Do you know what I mean?

303
00:14:37,669 --> 00:14:40,129
We just think of them as that song.

304
00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:41,260
That song, yeah.
You know. Yeah, yeah.

305
00:14:41,256 --> 00:14:44,086
It really happened
quite organically in the studio.

306
00:14:44,593 --> 00:14:48,473
Um... you know,
my famous occasion

307
00:14:48,472 --> 00:14:50,932
with bass radically altering

308
00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:56,185
the whole attitude of the song
was when John came in

309
00:14:56,188 --> 00:15:00,528
♪

310
00:15:00,526 --> 00:15:01,776
♪ Here come old flattop ♪

311
00:15:01,777 --> 00:15:03,817
♪ He come groovin' up slowly ♪

312
00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:05,910
♪ He got joo joo eyeball ♪

313
00:15:05,906 --> 00:15:08,776
♪ He one holy roller, he got♪

314
00:15:08,784 --> 00:15:10,954
I said, uh, uh, uh, uh,
wait a minute, wait a minute,

315
00:15:11,453 --> 00:15:12,873
that's a Chuck Berry song.

316
00:15:13,372 --> 00:15:14,872
That's a Chuck Berry song,

317
00:15:14,873 --> 00:15:16,583
which is called You Can't Catch Me.

318
00:15:17,334 --> 00:15:18,844
Which not only is like that

319
00:15:18,836 --> 00:15:20,336
♪

320
00:15:20,337 --> 00:15:21,797
♪ Yeah, come on ♪

321
00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:25,379
The opening line is,
"Here come old flattop."

322
00:15:25,968 --> 00:15:27,468
♪ Here come old flattop ♪

323
00:15:27,469 --> 00:15:29,139
♪ He was moving up with me ♪

324
00:15:29,137 --> 00:15:30,927
♪ Then come waving goodbye ♪

325
00:15:30,931 --> 00:15:32,771
♪ In a little old soupedup jitney ♪

326
00:15:32,766 --> 00:15:34,806
♪ I put my foot in my tank ♪

327
00:15:34,810 --> 00:15:36,940
♪ And I began to roll ♪

328
00:15:37,563 --> 00:15:40,823
♪ Moaning siren,
'twas a state patrol ♪

329
00:15:40,816 --> 00:15:42,816
♪ So I let out my wings ♪

330
00:15:42,818 --> 00:15:44,988
♪ And then I blew my horn ♪

331
00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:48,527
♪ Byebye New Jersey,
I've become airborne ♪

332
00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:50,869
RICK:
It actually is the Chuck Berry song.

333
00:15:50,868 --> 00:15:53,788
It actually is the Chuck Berry song,
so I said, "Oh man,"

334
00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:56,827
I said, you know, "Look,
it's a great song. I love it."

335
00:15:56,832 --> 00:15:59,672
I said, "But we got to do something
to get away from that."

336
00:16:00,169 --> 00:16:02,549
So I just suggested we slowed it down.

337
00:16:02,546 --> 00:16:03,506
So instead of the

338
00:16:03,505 --> 00:16:05,755
♪ uptempo music playing ♪

339
00:16:05,757 --> 00:16:09,387
We go...
[humming Come Together]

340
00:16:09,386 --> 00:16:13,926
♪ Come Together playing ♪

341
00:16:14,308 --> 00:16:16,138
[imitating drum beats]

342
00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:20,813
Which now gave it a kind of
real nice swampy back and forth.

343
00:16:20,814 --> 00:16:23,484
♪ Here come old flat top
he got ♪

344
00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,613
And it changed his attitude to it.

345
00:16:26,028 --> 00:16:30,698
♪ Come Together playing ♪

346
00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:32,409
I just want to hear the vocals,

347
00:16:32,409 --> 00:16:34,999
just to understand where it's...
the writing style.

348
00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:36,785
JOHN LENNON [on recording]:
♪ Here come old flat top ♪

349
00:16:36,788 --> 00:16:39,708
♪ He come grooving up slowly ♪

350
00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:42,668
♪ He got joo joo eyeball ♪

351
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,629
♪ He one holy roller ♪

352
00:16:45,631 --> 00:16:48,841
♪ He got hair down ♪

353
00:16:49,218 --> 00:16:51,088
♪ To his knee ♪

354
00:16:52,179 --> 00:16:56,889
♪ Got to be a joker
he just do what he please ♪

355
00:16:57,851 --> 00:17:00,021
♪

356
00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:01,150
The signature of the song.

357
00:17:01,146 --> 00:17:04,606
♪

358
00:17:04,608 --> 00:17:05,478
Ringo.

359
00:17:05,484 --> 00:17:09,154
♪

360
00:17:09,154 --> 00:17:11,374
It's just the bass and the drums.
It's a groove, isn't it?

361
00:17:11,365 --> 00:17:15,195
♪

362
00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:20,415
♪ ...Ono sideboard ♪

363
00:17:20,999 --> 00:17:22,959
♪ ...spinal cracker ♪

364
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,040
♪ He got♪

365
00:17:24,044 --> 00:17:25,134
PAUL: Yeah.

366
00:17:25,128 --> 00:17:30,718
♪

367
00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:34,507
♪ ...in his armchair
you can feel his disease ♪

368
00:17:34,513 --> 00:17:36,223
[singing along]
♪ Come together ♪

369
00:17:37,432 --> 00:17:38,932
♪ Right now ♪

370
00:17:41,144 --> 00:17:43,524
♪

371
00:17:43,522 --> 00:17:44,692
PAUL: That's it.

372
00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:47,032
I'm playing that piano.

373
00:17:49,111 --> 00:17:52,531
♪

374
00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:56,954
Guitars.

375
00:17:57,703 --> 00:18:02,373
♪

376
00:18:02,374 --> 00:18:03,924
That's John and George.

377
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,880
RICK: Together?
PAUL: Both. No, that's George.

378
00:18:10,424 --> 00:18:11,884
John's probably playing the rhythm.

379
00:18:11,884 --> 00:18:13,684
Yeah, John's playing
the rhythm, yeah.

380
00:18:14,386 --> 00:18:17,966
♪

381
00:18:24,396 --> 00:18:25,396
♪ Yeah ♪

382
00:18:25,397 --> 00:18:27,647
♪

383
00:18:27,649 --> 00:18:29,069
♪ Come together ♪

384
00:18:29,735 --> 00:18:33,405
♪

385
00:18:35,657 --> 00:18:37,157
Bass sounds incredible.
Yeah.

386
00:18:39,536 --> 00:18:40,996
Really rockin'.

387
00:18:42,206 --> 00:18:46,286
♪

388
00:18:47,085 --> 00:18:49,835
And we sort of knew
we'd got something funky.

389
00:18:49,838 --> 00:18:51,468
Yeah.
And that was always the aim.

390
00:18:51,465 --> 00:18:54,885
Like, if you could take whatever
the little song was you had

391
00:18:54,885 --> 00:18:58,135
and just put that little
extra something on it.

392
00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,808
Did it feel like it happened
most of the time?

393
00:19:01,683 --> 00:19:02,983
Yeah.
It seems like it.

394
00:19:02,976 --> 00:19:04,726
Lislistening to the records,
it sounds like that.

395
00:19:04,728 --> 00:19:05,848
I know. Yeah.

396
00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:10,896
I mean, for me, I've grown
to be a fan of the Beatles.

397
00:19:10,901 --> 00:19:13,201
Yeah. Yeah.
Because then I was just a Beatle.

398
00:19:13,612 --> 00:19:17,662
But now that the Beatles' volume
of work is finished...

399
00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:18,908
Yes.

400
00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:20,579
I, I listen back to it,

401
00:19:20,577 --> 00:19:24,407
and, you know, like that
you just think, what was that bassline?

402
00:19:24,831 --> 00:19:27,131
Now this is good
because I actually, now I know

403
00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:29,375
Now you understand how it works.
Now I know what I played, yeah.

404
00:19:29,378 --> 00:19:30,418
Yeah, yeah.

405
00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:36,762
You talked a little bit about becoming
a fan of the Beatles again.

406
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,850
Yeah.
So tell me first about,

407
00:19:38,846 --> 00:19:40,256
Beatles break up.

408
00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:41,934
Mm.
In that moment,

409
00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:45,637
what's your feeling
about your last ten years of music?

410
00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:48,690
I knew we'd done
something great.

411
00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:51,729
Yes.
We'd had a lot of fun in the studio,

412
00:19:51,733 --> 00:19:54,323
and I was sad to see it break up.
Yeah.

413
00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:56,319
I thought I'd be
in this band forever.

414
00:19:56,321 --> 00:19:57,571
Hm.

415
00:19:57,573 --> 00:19:58,993
But various things were happening.

416
00:19:58,991 --> 00:20:01,031
There was a lot
of heavy business stuff

417
00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:03,414
that had,
that had influenced decisions.

418
00:20:03,412 --> 00:20:05,712
Mmhmm.
So we, we split up,

419
00:20:05,706 --> 00:20:09,786
and, uh, I was heartbroken, really.

420
00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:12,919
And I kind of disappeared
off the face of the Earth.

421
00:20:12,921 --> 00:20:15,551
I went up to a farm in Scotland

422
00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:20,394
and just became a sort of
hippie farmer, which was great.

423
00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:22,717
♪ Motorcars ♪

424
00:20:22,723 --> 00:20:24,563
♪ Handlebars ♪

425
00:20:24,558 --> 00:20:27,438
♪ Bicycles for two ♪

426
00:20:28,562 --> 00:20:33,232
♪ Brokenhearted jubilee ♪

427
00:20:37,404 --> 00:20:40,324
When you've been
a musician all that time,

428
00:20:41,033 --> 00:20:46,333
the idea of just not doing it
was a bit sad.

429
00:20:47,581 --> 00:20:49,881
I just wanted to keep going with music.

430
00:20:49,875 --> 00:20:50,535
Yeah.

431
00:20:50,542 --> 00:20:52,882
You know, it was
a very difficult thing to shake off

432
00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:56,173
if you're this invested
like you and I are.

433
00:20:56,173 --> 00:20:56,923
Yeah.

434
00:20:56,924 --> 00:20:58,684
You just can't sort of say,
oh, I'll do it tomorrow.

435
00:20:58,675 --> 00:21:00,585
Can't imagine it. Can't imagine.

436
00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:05,854
So I just went right back
to basics, and it wasn't easy.

437
00:21:05,849 --> 00:21:08,349
♪

438
00:21:08,352 --> 00:21:11,942
♪ Da, da, ya, da, da, da
da, da, da ♪

439
00:21:12,397 --> 00:21:13,727
Never finished the lyrics.

440
00:21:15,192 --> 00:21:16,612
No, this is jazz.

441
00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:18,110
[laughing]

442
00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:22,196
I had some recording equipment at home.

443
00:21:22,533 --> 00:21:26,203
I had an amp, guitar, piano,
a little drum set.

444
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:30,120
So I just thought, well,
I'll just record some stuff, you know.

445
00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:33,003
And literally yourself,
meaning not even an engineer.

446
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,211
Nobody was there except you.
No. Nobody.

447
00:21:35,212 --> 00:21:39,132
♪ ...the junk in the yard ♪

448
00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:44,970
♪ Da, da, ya, da, da, da
da, da, da ♪

449
00:21:44,972 --> 00:21:46,352
♪

450
00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:47,268
Wow.

451
00:21:47,266 --> 00:21:50,136
♪

452
00:21:53,605 --> 00:21:56,565
♪ song ends ♪

453
00:21:56,567 --> 00:21:58,107
Beautiful.

454
00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:01,200
This was the first album
that you made in this way.

455
00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:02,656
Everything at home, all by yourself.

456
00:22:02,656 --> 00:22:03,406
Yeah.

457
00:22:03,407 --> 00:22:05,077
I mean, once you do
something like this,

458
00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:07,195
it's a nice little home project.

459
00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:08,082
Yeah.

460
00:22:08,078 --> 00:22:11,208
It's like, you know,
if you've built a table,

461
00:22:11,206 --> 00:22:13,916
you've got some time off,
I'll build a chair, something.

462
00:22:13,917 --> 00:22:18,207
You know, it's just that good feeling
you're doing something for yourself.

463
00:22:18,213 --> 00:22:19,013
Yeah.

464
00:22:19,006 --> 00:22:21,926
But then, you know,
you've suddenly got

465
00:22:21,925 --> 00:22:23,675
enough tracks for an album.

466
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:28,467
♪ Maybe I'm Amazed playing ♪

467
00:22:28,473 --> 00:22:32,643
♪

468
00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:51,293
PAUL [on recording]:
♪ Baby, I'm amazed at the way
you love me all the time ♪

469
00:22:52,706 --> 00:22:56,336
♪ Maybe I'm afraid
of the way I love you ♪

470
00:22:59,004 --> 00:23:03,474
♪ Maybe I'm amazed at the way
you pulled me out of time ♪

471
00:23:04,218 --> 00:23:06,428
♪ You hung me on a line ♪

472
00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:11,734
♪ Maybe I'm amazed at the way
I really need you ♪

473
00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:17,694
♪ Baby, I'm a man,
maybe I'm a lonely man ♪

474
00:23:17,689 --> 00:23:20,069
♪ Who's in the middle of something ♪

475
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:23,532
♪ That he doesn't really understand ♪

476
00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:29,830
♪ Baby, I'm a man and maybe
you're the only woman ♪

477
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:31,996
♪ Who could ever help me ♪

478
00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:35,794
♪ Baby, won't you help me to understand? ♪

479
00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:36,791
♪ Oohooh ♪

480
00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:38,292
PAUL: Once you've been to the top,

481
00:23:38,293 --> 00:23:39,883
going back down
to the bottom of the ladder,

482
00:23:39,878 --> 00:23:43,798
and clawing your way back up,
is, uh, is a bit of a number.

483
00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:46,299
But I had Linda by my side,

484
00:23:46,301 --> 00:23:48,101
and she'd helped me through that period.

485
00:23:48,762 --> 00:23:50,852
She was very, a great strength.

486
00:23:51,348 --> 00:23:53,848
♪

487
00:23:53,851 --> 00:23:56,731
♪ Baby, I'm amazed at the way
you helped me... ♪

488
00:23:56,728 --> 00:23:57,978
Bringing the energy.

489
00:23:59,147 --> 00:24:01,107
♪ You right me when I'm wrong ♪

490
00:24:01,108 --> 00:24:03,528
I wonder if that's tucked in there,
I never heard that before.

491
00:24:03,527 --> 00:24:05,147
No.
No, you left it out?

492
00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:06,453
I don't know.

493
00:24:06,446 --> 00:24:07,946
It might be this.
Yeah, it might be

494
00:24:07,948 --> 00:24:09,908
Sounds like I mixed it out.
I can't remember.

495
00:24:10,534 --> 00:24:11,704
♪ Oh ♪

496
00:24:11,994 --> 00:24:15,794
♪ Oohoohooh ♪

497
00:24:16,498 --> 00:24:17,998
♪ Yeahyeah, yeah ♪

498
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,250
♪

499
00:24:21,253 --> 00:24:22,253
That got it.

500
00:24:22,254 --> 00:24:23,264
♪ Oh ♪

501
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,969
♪

502
00:24:27,968 --> 00:24:29,848
♪ Yeahyeah, yeah ♪

503
00:24:29,845 --> 00:24:33,675
♪

504
00:24:35,601 --> 00:24:39,441
That's when the audience applauds,
you go, wait for it, wait for it.

505
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:44,230
♪ Maybe I'm amazed at the way
you love me all the time ♪

506
00:24:46,069 --> 00:24:49,449
♪ And maybe I'm afraid
of the way I love you ♪

507
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:52,950
I'd seen something
that made me think,

508
00:24:52,951 --> 00:24:54,871
oh, John's got a new record out,

509
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:56,790
and it's called Lennon.

510
00:24:57,372 --> 00:24:59,082
I thought, wow, that's great.

511
00:24:59,458 --> 00:25:01,748
Oh boy. I missed that boat.

512
00:25:01,752 --> 00:25:02,712
Yeah.
You know.

513
00:25:02,711 --> 00:25:04,841
And it turned out not to be so.
Wow.

514
00:25:04,838 --> 00:25:07,258
So I said, well,
that's a great idea though.

515
00:25:07,257 --> 00:25:08,587
Yeah.
You just call it your surname.

516
00:25:08,592 --> 00:25:10,432
Yes.
So I said, I'll have that.

517
00:25:10,886 --> 00:25:13,256
So I just named my first record McCartney.

518
00:25:13,847 --> 00:25:16,977
♪ That he doesn't really understand ♪

519
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:22,150
♪ Baby, I'm a man... ♪
Whoa.

520
00:25:22,147 --> 00:25:25,527
♪ You're the only woman
who could ever help me ♪

521
00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:29,494
♪ Baby, won't you help me to understand? ♪

522
00:25:29,488 --> 00:25:33,198
♪ Ooh ♪

523
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,660
You were feeling good that day.

524
00:25:37,329 --> 00:25:42,579
♪

525
00:25:43,794 --> 00:25:46,264
When was the moment
when it switched from,

526
00:25:46,797 --> 00:25:48,297
okay, the old band broke up,

527
00:25:48,298 --> 00:25:50,378
there's some bad feelings,
business stuff,

528
00:25:50,384 --> 00:25:51,724
and now I'm moving on.

529
00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:55,098
I'm starting at the bottom
myself, over again.

530
00:25:55,097 --> 00:25:58,477
When could you look back
and realize,

531
00:25:58,475 --> 00:26:02,895
oh, what we did back then
was really good and special?

532
00:26:02,896 --> 00:26:06,066
I think once I'd got over the fact

533
00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:07,436
that the Beatles had broken up.

534
00:26:08,068 --> 00:26:13,618
Um, once I could allow myself to do
a Beatles song in, in our show.

535
00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:15,865
Would that have been five years
or ten years or

536
00:26:15,868 --> 00:26:18,198
No, I think it was,
it was a few years.

537
00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:20,793
I wanted a whole new thing.
Yes.

538
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:23,329
Whole new sound, new songs.
Yeah.

539
00:26:23,917 --> 00:26:26,377
So once we'd got that...
Yes.

540
00:26:26,378 --> 00:26:29,298
I felt vindicated and I thought, okay,

541
00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:33,675
now, why don'tI can,
I can now safely put a Beatles song in.

542
00:26:33,677 --> 00:26:37,467
Yes.
And, uh, then you started to think,

543
00:26:38,182 --> 00:26:39,852
ooh, what about that one?

544
00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:42,440
And I never would do a John song.
Hmm.

545
00:26:42,436 --> 00:26:46,726
Because I would just only go
to songs that I'd instigated.

546
00:26:46,732 --> 00:26:47,942
Yeah.
Um

547
00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:49,861
But after a while, I got
so comfortable with it,

548
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:51,400
I thought, yeah,
I'll do a John song.

549
00:26:51,403 --> 00:26:52,493
I love that song.

550
00:26:52,487 --> 00:26:54,657
I want to read to you one little thing.

551
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:55,366
Yeah.

552
00:26:55,365 --> 00:26:57,945
It says, "Paul is one of
the most innovative bass players

553
00:26:57,951 --> 00:27:00,871
"that ever played bass, and half
of the stuff that's going on now

554
00:27:00,871 --> 00:27:03,461
"is directly ripped off
from his Beatle period.

555
00:27:03,457 --> 00:27:06,287
"He has always been a bit coy
about his bass playing,

556
00:27:06,293 --> 00:27:08,173
but he's a great, great musician."

557
00:27:09,296 --> 00:27:11,166
Did I write that?
That is John Lennon.

558
00:27:11,173 --> 00:27:12,343
That's John?
Yeah.

559
00:27:12,341 --> 00:27:13,341
Alright.

560
00:27:13,342 --> 00:27:14,762
Come on, Johnny.

561
00:27:15,219 --> 00:27:16,259
Yeah.
That's beautiful.

562
00:27:16,261 --> 00:27:17,511
I hadn'tI hadn't heard that before.

563
00:27:17,513 --> 00:27:19,563
It's interesting
considering obviously,

564
00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:23,016
you're two leaders of something,
and just competitive situation.

565
00:27:23,018 --> 00:27:24,388
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So to hear that.

566
00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:26,444
He'd never said that to me.
Yeah.

567
00:27:26,438 --> 00:27:29,188
So, but it's nice to hear
that he said it to someone.

568
00:27:29,650 --> 00:27:30,730
That's amazing.

569
00:27:31,818 --> 00:27:34,858
♪ Helter Skelter playing ♪

570
00:27:34,863 --> 00:27:38,413
♪ When I get to the bottom,
I go back to the top of the slide ♪

571
00:27:38,408 --> 00:27:41,498
♪ Where I stop, and I turn,
and I go for a ride ♪

572
00:27:41,495 --> 00:27:46,035
♪ 'Til I get to the bottom,
and I see you again! ♪

573
00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:48,211
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah! ♪

574
00:27:49,545 --> 00:27:52,505
♪ Well, do you, don't you
want me to love you? ♪

575
00:27:55,259 --> 00:27:58,469
♪ I'm coming down fast,
but I'm miles above you ♪

576
00:28:01,098 --> 00:28:03,308
♪ Tell me, tell me, tell me ♪

577
00:28:03,308 --> 00:28:05,848
♪ Come on,
tell me the answer! ♪

578
00:28:06,562 --> 00:28:11,022
♪ Well, you may be a lover,
but you ain't no dancer ♪

579
00:28:12,192 --> 00:28:13,862
♪ Come on!
Helter skelter ♪

580
00:28:15,445 --> 00:28:17,155
♪ Helter skelter ♪

581
00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:19,953
♪ Helter skelter ♪

582
00:28:21,159 --> 00:28:21,869
♪ Yeah ♪

583
00:28:21,869 --> 00:28:24,869
♪

584
00:28:29,501 --> 00:28:32,711
♪ Oh, will you, won't you
want me to make you? ♪

585
00:28:32,713 --> 00:28:35,423
♪

586
00:28:35,424 --> 00:28:38,434
♪ I'm coming down fast,
but don't let me break you ♪

587
00:28:38,427 --> 00:28:41,217
♪

588
00:28:41,221 --> 00:28:43,931
♪ Tell me, tell me,
tell me the answer! ♪

589
00:28:43,932 --> 00:28:46,892
♪ You may be a lover,
but you ain't no dancer ♪

590
00:28:46,894 --> 00:28:48,604
♪

591
00:28:48,604 --> 00:28:49,694
♪ Look out! ♪

592
00:28:49,688 --> 00:28:51,228
♪ Helter skelter ♪

593
00:28:52,649 --> 00:28:54,149
♪ Helter skelter ♪

594
00:28:55,485 --> 00:28:57,025
♪ Helter skelter ♪

595
00:28:58,780 --> 00:28:59,870
♪ Ooh ♪

596
00:29:01,825 --> 00:29:02,945
♪ Look out! ♪

597
00:29:03,577 --> 00:29:05,287
♪ 'Cause here she comes ♪

598
00:29:05,287 --> 00:29:09,917
♪

599
00:29:18,008 --> 00:29:21,638
♪ When I get to the bottom,
I go back to the top of the slide ♪

600
00:29:21,637 --> 00:29:24,557
♪ And I stop, and I turn,
and I go for a ride ♪

601
00:29:24,556 --> 00:29:29,016
♪ And I get to the bottom,
and I see you again! ♪

602
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:31,019
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah! ♪