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[man] Wait, Christine, wait.
I'm gonna get you from the front too.

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-Okay.
-[man] I got it from the back.

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All right, this looks good.

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[pensive music playing]

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[Christine] In 2016,

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my husband and I moved to Short Creek
on the Utah-Arizona border.

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It's the fundamentalist
Mormon version of Mecca.

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-[automated voice] You have a call from…
-[Warren] Warren Jeffs.

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[automated voice] You may
start the conversation now.

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[Christine] At the time, their prophet,
Warren Jeffs, was in prison.

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[reporter] Guilty of two counts of felony
sexual assault against two girls.

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[Christine] We heard
how dangerous this town was.

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We heard it was the most reclusive,
isolated town in America.

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[reporter 1] Warren Jeffs
may be in prison,

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but he's apparently
still very much in charge.

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[reporter 2] Jeffs led
the polygamous sect,

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the Fundamentalist Church
of Latter-day Saints.

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But I felt drawn to come here
to help these people.

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And they said,
"We don't need outsider help."

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You're trespassing.

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Well, guess what? Yes, they did.

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Yes, they fucking did.

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People who think this story came to an end
with Warren going to prison are wrong.

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They've left a very vulnerable population
wide open to predators.

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We didn't know who we could trust.

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[man] Sam Bateman saw himself
being an heir apparent to Warren Jeffs.

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That tells you all you need to know.

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Predators don't come in
dressed with their horns and their cape.

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They come in
dressed in their suit and tie.

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[Sam] The only reason I'm rich

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is Heavenly Father
blessed me with these girls.

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-[giggling]
-Everybody wants to jump in, huh?

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[woman] He said,

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"Are you having temptations
to report Samuel to the law?"

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-[gasps]
-[man] What?

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Tolga, we have to…
I have to turn this tape in.

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[Tolga] We're the only ones in,
so we gotta get in more.

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Yeah, face the curtain.
Nice. Stay that way a little bit.

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[Christine] I wasn't there to betray them.

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I don't know if it's traitors or what.

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I was there to save them.

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[officer] This is the police!
I want your hands above your head!

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[Christine] Are you a prophet?

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[chuckles]

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I would be a liar if I said I wasn't.

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[unsettling music playing]

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[music fades]

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[Tolga] Go ahead.

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Here we go.

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[Tolga] There she goes.

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[intriguing music playing]

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There we go.

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[music continues]

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We're basically moving to the Crick.

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I mean, it is absolutely crazy out here.

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Especially for me. I'm a record producer.
What the hell am I doing out here?

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[Christine] There we are. We're moving in.

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Colorado City. [exhales]

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[Tolga] Gloves off.

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Okay, it's makeshift, okay?

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We gave up the life of comfort.

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[grunts]

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[woman chuckles]

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For the life among the polygamists.

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[music fades]

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[Christine] Go this way.

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I'm gonna walk this way.

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-Tolga, you go this way.
-[Tolga] I'm gonna do ten different shots.

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-Stop.
-[exhales sharply]

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[pensive music playing]

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[Christine] When we got here,

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we felt like
we were in the Wild, Wild West.

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There were no outsiders here. I mean,
there was maybe one other outside family.

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That I knew of.

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-Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.
-[Christine panting]

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[Christine] My husband Tolga is
a music video producer and a photographer.

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And so of course, when we moved
to this town, he wanted to document it.

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[Tolga] Hold on.

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So…

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This is where the FLDS community
gets their food supplies.

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It's not just FLDS.
A lot of people come here.

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Well, that's true. Right. A lot of people
come here. Including… myself.

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[chuckling]

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[inaudible]

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[woman] When Christine came along,

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everybody was leery of her

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because nobody knew what she was about.

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We always had people looking at us
like we were a freak show.

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[speaking indistinctly]

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[woman] So there was a lot of speculation
among our people

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that they were just here to do something
for TV or write a book or something.

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[Tolga] We're documenting it all.

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They were a very eccentric couple,
and it was very odd.

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He was from Turkey,

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and he had long hair
with a little ponytail,

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and she was like a little blonde… [laughs]

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…like, Hollywood girl.

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She wore a lot of vintage clothing,

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which I thought was darling.

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But I didn't know for sure
why she was here.

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Nobody has to buy water here.

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It's so beautiful to come up here.

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-It's not work. It's like… inspiration.
-[woman] Yeah, I know. It's true.

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[Christine] I felt a sense of calling

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that I wanted to move here.

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[music fades]

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Long ago, I used to be Mormon.

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I was mainstream Mormon,

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but I was absolutely zealous and devoted.

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[tender music playing]

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Mormons believe in prophets.

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And I met a man who persuaded me
that he was a modern-day prophet.

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And I decided, if this man was a prophet,

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I was going to be completely obedient.

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I had to do what he said or risk my soul.

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Little by little, I got more confused,

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and I lost my critical thinking.

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Before I knew it,

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I was so broken.

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I didn't even know who I was anymore.

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So I then spent the next decade

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reading everything I could about cults.

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I became an expert in cult psychology.

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I believed that every single person
who was FLDS needed to be rescued

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from irrational cultic beliefs
and brainwashing.

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But I felt connected to these people.

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So all of this made me believe

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that I could be helpful here.

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And when I got here,

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I learned that the FLDS were floundering.

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[music fades]

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[man] In the aftermath
of Warren Jeffs's incarceration,

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the community has really been
fraying and fragmenting.

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[pensive music playing]

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Warren Jeffs wound up
in a prison down in Texas.

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He's been there a long time.

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But I've been around the story
long enough to know incarcerating Warren

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would do nothing to diminish his power.

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Having him in prison
doesn't change what he is.

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You know, Heavenly Father hasn't
appointed another to be the prophet.

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So as far as we're concerned,
he's still the prophet.

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-Do you know what happened in that trial?
-I don't want to know anything about it.

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You don't want to know anything about it?
How come?

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Just don't want to.

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I shut myself off
to that negative about him, I--

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-[reporter] You don't believe it's true?
-I know it's not true.

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[Mike] Warren Jeffs became more powerful
because he's now a martyr.

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And from his prison in Texas,
he would put out edicts.

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[Warren] Behold that which you hear,
the revelations of God.

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[Mike] He told his congregation,
"No more marriages."

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He told them to stop having sex.

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Because he's not having
any sort of intimate contact,

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apparently nobody else could.

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[woman] We weren't supposed
to be getting married.

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We couldn't have marital relations.

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Even with your husband,
then we didn't hug anymore.

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We've been taught our whole lives
that not one year should go by

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without a child being born.

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And now there were no more children.

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Nobody was having babies.

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[music intensifies]

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-[Christine] Oh my gosh.
-[dog barking]

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Look at these cribs.

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[Tolga] Holy mackerel. This is where
they took all the cribs and bassinets

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after you couldn't have children anymore.

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There are just hundreds and hundreds
of FLDS cribs in here.

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[Christine] Wow.

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[disturbing music playing]

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[woman] You have a group of people
who are paralyzed,

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waiting for their leader
to be released from prison,

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not knowing
what the right steps are to do.

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And around 2015,

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Warren seemed to be getting
more mentally unstable,

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and he stopped communicating
with almost everyone outside of prison.

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[Mike] And then in 2016,

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the outside government came in

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and took control of the town away
from the FLDS and Warren Jeffs.

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The court sort of took control
of the entire community.

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[Carole] The prophet was gone.

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We weren't getting directive.

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[birds chirping]

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We were a very, very vulnerable

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and hungry… people.

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[music fades]

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[drill whirring]

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[Christine] When we got to Short Creek,

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we began to see
what the FLDS were going through.

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[intriguing music playing]

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[indistinct conversation]

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[Christine] We started seeing
endless moving trailers

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packing up and leaving town.

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We learned that, when the town
had been taken over by the state of Utah,

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the FLDS started being evicted
from their homes.

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I need you off the property.

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[woman] I'm not gonna be off the property.

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-Okay, then I'll call the police.
-I want you to kick me out of my home.

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Because in order for them
to stay in their homes,

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they had to sign a document

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that they believed
was a violation of their religion.

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Take a picture of this.

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[Christine] This is an eviction

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of somebody
who was just evicted last week,

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moved over temporarily into this house.

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So, Tolga and I
just started documenting these things.

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Do you need help?
Can we help him? Do you need help?

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I don't know what's going on,
but this looks really wrong.

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I feel bad for these people.

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This was my great-grandfather
Elmer's homestead.

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It's just totally heartless.

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[Christine] We just saw
what I felt was injustice,

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and no one cared because they were FLDS

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and had been painted
with the crimes of Warren Jeffs.

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So, we thought,

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well, maybe we could do a documentary
and tell the other side of the story

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of these FLDS people
because they're so stigmatized.

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[Tolga] Okay, that's rolling.

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And this is rolling.
Oh, I'm not rolling yet.

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I have to do this, so…

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it syncs to audio on both cameras.

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We wanted to help people understand
the positive side of the community.

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[Tolga] You look like
you're going on a safari.

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[Norma laughs]

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-[Tolga] What's with the hat?
-I wanted to look like a producer.

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Okay, Tolga, I'm gonna do it.

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Let's do a little orientation,
um, real quick.

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[Tolga] Okay, do it.

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Okay. So, if he's filming,
if you see Tolga with a camera,

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then don't call his name
and don't call my name.

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We wanna show the regular life.
We wanna show the truth.

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[Norma] It took us a while
to totally trust,

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but she really knew
how to get into people's hearts

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and put 'em at ease.

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So, the FLDS people consider themselves
to be like the real Mormons, right?

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Yeah, we just feel like that we wanna
live it fundamentally, in its purity.

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-Yeah, okay.
-And…

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[Norma] I didn't know about her backstory.

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I didn't know anything
about her ventriloquism.

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[Christine] Happy birthday to you.

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I happen to be a ventriloquist.

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By the way, this is Zucchini.
She's my scarecrow.

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I'm not just a scarecrow.

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I'm half scarecrow, half cookie.

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00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:04,927
Oh yeah…

244
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Before I moved here,
I lived a very colorful life.

245
00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:09,723
I had all kinds of adventures.

246
00:14:09,807 --> 00:14:12,643
[announcer] Miss Michigan,
Christine Marie.

247
00:14:12,726 --> 00:14:14,186
[audience cheering, applauding]

248
00:14:14,770 --> 00:14:17,314
[Christine] I am a former Miss Michigan,

249
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an escape artist,

250
00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,945
a certified life coach.

251
00:14:23,821 --> 00:14:25,239
We're gonna make vowel babies.

252
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I love these.

253
00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:30,119
So, what you do
is cut out two pieces of fabric.

254
00:14:30,619 --> 00:14:34,582
[Tolga] When I met Christine, she had
a TV show called Gingerbread House,

255
00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,001
and she was teaching kindergarten.

256
00:14:38,377 --> 00:14:40,880
I've never met
anybody like her in my life.

257
00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:44,592
I would catch her doing crazy stuff,
helping out people.

258
00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:46,844
Dean is here.

259
00:14:47,428 --> 00:14:50,097
He collected up a bunch of donations
for our community.

260
00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:51,098
[man] Yeah, we got…

261
00:14:51,181 --> 00:14:53,183
[Christine] As we were making
the documentary,

262
00:14:53,267 --> 00:14:57,104
I also launched a nonprofit
called Voices for Dignity.

263
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We would bring comfort bags
and resource lists.

264
00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:03,110
And these are all new backpacks
and duffel bags.

265
00:15:03,193 --> 00:15:05,029
[Christine] You're kidding. Woo!

266
00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:10,200
We needed a way
for the women to have an income,

267
00:15:10,784 --> 00:15:14,330
so Christine created Short Creek Cottage,

268
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where we'd sell homemade items.

269
00:15:17,958 --> 00:15:20,085
[Christine] Oh, that's adorable.

270
00:15:20,169 --> 00:15:23,422
I don't know how I would have survived
without this cottage.

271
00:15:23,505 --> 00:15:25,382
Yeah, let's do… let's do it with energy.

272
00:15:26,383 --> 00:15:28,260
I had gained their trust.

273
00:15:28,344 --> 00:15:30,346
[pensive music playing]

274
00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:36,852
I thought, what an honor
and unique position it was for me.

275
00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:38,646
-How'd you get down? Tell Tolga.
-I landed.

276
00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:39,897
[giggling]

277
00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:41,899
-I had to. [giggles]
-How did you get down?

278
00:15:41,982 --> 00:15:46,779
I decided whether people leave the church
or don't, I want them to be okay.

279
00:15:47,404 --> 00:15:51,408
And that I would never say
anything negative about their prophet,

280
00:15:51,492 --> 00:15:55,579
because I have the unique opportunity
to help people.

281
00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:59,166
Why would they come to somebody
fighting against their way of life?

282
00:16:02,670 --> 00:16:03,879
[music fades]

283
00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:06,048
[Tolga] Wait one second, Christine, wait.

284
00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:09,009
You can turn that one on.
Hold on. Wait, guys.

285
00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:14,807
[Christine] We were very excited about
this documentary project we were making.

286
00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:16,934
[Tolga in singsong] I'm getting video.

287
00:16:17,601 --> 00:16:18,686
[Christine] By this point,

288
00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:21,647
it was just known
that Tolga's around with a camera.

289
00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:24,566
-♪ Tolga! He's got a big lookin' camera! ♪
-[Tolga chuckling]

290
00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:28,821
♪ He's video-ing everyone
Around the world too! ♪

291
00:16:28,904 --> 00:16:30,906
[engine revving]

292
00:16:32,157 --> 00:16:34,410
[Christine] And that's how
we met Sam Bateman.

293
00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:35,953
Hey, Christine.

294
00:16:37,663 --> 00:16:39,081
-Come right through here.
-Okay.

295
00:16:39,164 --> 00:16:41,542
-I'll push all this out of the way.
-[Christine] Okay, thanks.

296
00:16:42,251 --> 00:16:43,419
All right. Got it.

297
00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:44,712
[Christine] In the community,

298
00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:48,757
Sam was not generally a man with status.

299
00:16:49,466 --> 00:16:51,260
I don't mind doing things that

300
00:16:52,219 --> 00:16:54,847
could break my leg or something
if I wasn't careful.

301
00:16:56,098 --> 00:17:00,060
[Christine] When I first met Sam Bateman,
I didn't think much about him.

302
00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:01,353
He had got an eviction notice.

303
00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:02,980
[crickets chirping]

304
00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:04,982
And he asked me to help,

305
00:17:05,691 --> 00:17:06,692
which I did.

306
00:17:06,775 --> 00:17:09,778
[enigmatic music playing]

307
00:17:10,779 --> 00:17:13,949
At that time, he said,
"I'm not doing very well."

308
00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:15,826
"I am in financially dire straits."

309
00:17:18,203 --> 00:17:20,164
He and his wife were getting a divorce,

310
00:17:20,956 --> 00:17:22,624
and he was a broken man.

311
00:17:24,126 --> 00:17:27,004
People thought of Sam Bateman
as kind of a shlub.

312
00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:31,008
He could never seem
to make money at his jobs.

313
00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:35,220
He was looking for, you know, a lifeline.

314
00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:37,306
[music continues]

315
00:17:40,601 --> 00:17:42,936
I didn't see him for some time.

316
00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,982
And then Sam reappears with a new wife.

317
00:17:47,983 --> 00:17:49,568
[Sam] Okay. All better. There you are.

318
00:17:49,651 --> 00:17:51,987
[Christine] Over 18,
but young and beautiful.

319
00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:53,280
Where should I look?

320
00:17:53,363 --> 00:17:55,240
[Tolga] You can just look at him
or Christine.

321
00:17:55,741 --> 00:17:56,658
[Christine] Look at me.

322
00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:59,203
Keep in mind,
people are not getting married

323
00:17:59,286 --> 00:18:01,705
because the prophet
stopped marrying people.

324
00:18:02,539 --> 00:18:04,500
-[Sam's wife] I have…
-[Christine] Is it an iPhone?

325
00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:06,710
[Esther] I remember thinking,
"That's interesting."

326
00:18:07,252 --> 00:18:09,421
How did Sam get a new wife,
you know? [chuckles]

327
00:18:09,505 --> 00:18:13,258
You know, somebody's…
been doing something that

328
00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:16,887
wasn't put together by the prophet.

329
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:19,181
-What background do you want? That?
-[Tolga] This one.

330
00:18:19,264 --> 00:18:20,516
-Yeah.
-[Christine] Okay.

331
00:18:21,475 --> 00:18:24,228
The next time I saw Sam,
he had another wife.

332
00:18:25,395 --> 00:18:27,064
Again, over 18.

333
00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:30,192
And the younger sister of the first wife.

334
00:18:33,654 --> 00:18:35,030
[music fades]

335
00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:36,406
[indistinct chatter]

336
00:18:38,033 --> 00:18:40,786
[Norma] I was running
the Short Creek Cottage.

337
00:18:40,869 --> 00:18:42,871
-[soft music playing]
-[baby babbling]

338
00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:45,541
And Sam showed up outside in the back.

339
00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:50,587
He was in a vehicle with a trailer.
Like a flatbed trailer.

340
00:18:53,841 --> 00:18:59,721
♪ There's a gift we all can give
To help along the way… ♪

341
00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:04,434
And I went out, and it was,
like, just… dripping with women.

342
00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:07,980
♪ There are so many things to do ♪

343
00:19:08,063 --> 00:19:11,066
[Esther] He'd showed up
with all of these wives singing.

344
00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:13,735
I was like, "Really?"

345
00:19:15,028 --> 00:19:16,905
How did that happen? [chuckles]

346
00:19:16,989 --> 00:19:18,699
[unsettling music playing]

347
00:19:18,782 --> 00:19:20,242
There were babies too.

348
00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:25,706
It was like they clear forgot
some of our core beliefs.

349
00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:28,250
[inaudible]

350
00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:30,419
[Esther] It was really strange to me.

351
00:19:30,502 --> 00:19:32,254
All these women and girls.

352
00:19:32,337 --> 00:19:34,089
[music intensifies]

353
00:19:45,517 --> 00:19:47,519
[inaudible]

354
00:19:53,817 --> 00:19:57,738
I had no desire to be…
close to that situation.

355
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:03,994
I just started avoiding all of 'em.

356
00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:07,372
Everybody that I heard
was involved with him, I just…

357
00:20:07,873 --> 00:20:09,791
Okay, I don't wanna go there. [chuckles]

358
00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:16,298
[man] Sam was always kind of a joke
in our whole friend group.

359
00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:19,259
So at first, I didn't believe it.

360
00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:20,469
I thought it was funny.

361
00:20:21,511 --> 00:20:25,057
But when Warren goes
to a whole group of people and says,

362
00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:27,017
"Thou shalt not have sex,"

363
00:20:27,643 --> 00:20:30,812
I'll bet you that lasts
about two and a half mi-- milliseconds.

364
00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:34,942
Why? Because you can't proselyte
human nature out of humans.

365
00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:36,276
They're gonna do it.

366
00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:39,446
And guess what? They did.

367
00:20:42,407 --> 00:20:46,453
[Christine] Sam is apparently doing
his own version of being FLDS.

368
00:20:46,536 --> 00:20:49,289
Getting married, having babies,

369
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,000
and who knows what else.

370
00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,628
The FLDS community shunned Sam.

371
00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:58,257
They knew something was wrong.
Red flag, Sam is shunned.

372
00:20:58,340 --> 00:20:59,675
[speaking indistinctly]

373
00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:00,759
I don't shun.

374
00:21:01,969 --> 00:21:03,720
If you shun, you can't help.

375
00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:07,641
If you attack, they're not gonna
come to you when they're in need.

376
00:21:07,724 --> 00:21:09,309
[Sam] You wanna go flyin'?

377
00:21:09,393 --> 00:21:12,020
[Christine] Oh, it's working.
Okay, so what happened?

378
00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,523
Just seeing Sam with all these females

379
00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:16,566
is concerning in and of itself.

380
00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:20,946
So I wanted to figure out
what was going on.

381
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:22,614
[speaking indistinctly]

382
00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:25,867
Sam invited Tolga and I to come to dinner

383
00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:29,246
at a house where Sam
and a lot of his wives lived.

384
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,082
[indistinct chatter]

385
00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:34,501
-Hi.
-[Christine] Hey.

386
00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:39,256
There were a lot of people there,
but mostly young women.

387
00:21:39,339 --> 00:21:41,091
[women laughing, chattering]

388
00:21:41,174 --> 00:21:43,719
And then some very small children.

389
00:21:43,802 --> 00:21:45,804
[gentle music playing]

390
00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:48,932
They gave us their Sunday best.

391
00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:51,852
And then after dinner,

392
00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:55,480
they started singing to us
like a talent show.

393
00:21:55,564 --> 00:21:57,983
[man] I think these little girls
want to sing you a song too.

394
00:21:58,066 --> 00:21:59,359
-[Tolga] Okay.
-[man] Some might.

395
00:21:59,443 --> 00:22:01,611
-[Tolga] All right.
-[Christine] Oh, that'd be wonderful.

396
00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:03,655
[Tolga] I wanna go here
so I get everybody.

397
00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:05,324
If you guys don't all fit in the camera,

398
00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:07,868
I have to, like, keep turning,
I guess, like this.

399
00:22:07,951 --> 00:22:08,910
[chuckling]

400
00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:11,121
All right, we're ready for the song.

401
00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:15,625
♪ An inheritance ♪

402
00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:19,212
♪ With our Savior ♪

403
00:22:19,296 --> 00:22:21,548
♪ In Zion… ♪

404
00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,967
I had alarm bells ringing everywhere.

405
00:22:24,051 --> 00:22:29,014
♪ Is everlasting ♪

406
00:22:29,097 --> 00:22:32,768
I knew that Sam was married
to some of these women,

407
00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,686
you know, even these young women.

408
00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:38,273
But there were rumors
that he was married to the children.

409
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,400
[Tolga] And this group is called?

410
00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:41,568
[woman] Us. [laughs]

411
00:22:41,651 --> 00:22:42,611
[Tolga] Okay.

412
00:22:42,694 --> 00:22:45,572
-How old are you guys?
-[Sam] Didn't you make the words and the…?

413
00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:47,240
-[Tolga] What?
-We're both 10.

414
00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,241
[Tolga] Really?

415
00:22:48,867 --> 00:22:50,869
[contemplative music playing]

416
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,751
[Christine] After the dinner
and talent show,

417
00:22:58,418 --> 00:23:00,504
I talked to a police officer.

418
00:23:01,296 --> 00:23:04,091
[man] The Colorado City/Hildale City
Police Department

419
00:23:04,174 --> 00:23:06,134
is a department that's contracted

420
00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:10,597
to manage policing services
on both sides of the border

421
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,057
in Utah and in Arizona.

422
00:23:13,141 --> 00:23:15,310
We here in Colorado City/Hildale

423
00:23:16,061 --> 00:23:20,482
have… a nice little community.

424
00:23:20,982 --> 00:23:22,609
The nickname's "the Crick."

425
00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:25,695
It's been kind of a sanctuary place

426
00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:29,574
for people who practice plural marriage.

427
00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:34,162
Prior to Christine Marie speaking to us,

428
00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,748
members of the community
had reached out to the police department

429
00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:40,252
on a number of occasions
about Sam Bateman.

430
00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:47,968
We had heard that he was trying
to gather members of the FLDS community

431
00:23:48,051 --> 00:23:50,011
to his new offshoot,

432
00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:53,807
that he was gathering multiple wives,

433
00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:56,601
and that some of those wives
may be underage.

434
00:23:57,727 --> 00:24:00,564
It was obviously cause for concern.

435
00:24:01,398 --> 00:24:03,483
But I told Christine Marie at the time

436
00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:09,239
that unless we could establish
that some criminal act occurred,

437
00:24:09,322 --> 00:24:11,658
we did not have a crime to investigate.

438
00:24:12,325 --> 00:24:13,368
Okay.

439
00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:15,454
[Christine] Sergeant Wilkinson told me,

440
00:24:15,537 --> 00:24:19,916
"It's not a crime to call someone
your wife, even if it's a child."

441
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,503
"What's a crime is to do
something with that child,

442
00:24:23,587 --> 00:24:25,505
something like to molest that child."

443
00:24:26,339 --> 00:24:28,717
And I didn't have that information.

444
00:24:29,384 --> 00:24:31,720
-[indistinct chatter]
-[baby crying]

445
00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:35,849
[Christine] So I'm paying attention
to any clue I can get.

446
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:41,771
And Sam started inviting us to things
and wanting us to film.

447
00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:45,567
[Tolga] Wow, how many people
are coming out of there? Wow.

448
00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:47,903
-[women chuckling]
-[Tolga] What in the world?

449
00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,238
[curious music playing]

450
00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:51,740
[Christine] It was uncanny.

451
00:24:51,823 --> 00:24:54,701
We would go on a hike up in the mountains.

452
00:24:57,078 --> 00:24:58,246
Sam would be there.

453
00:24:58,788 --> 00:24:59,998
[Tolga] How's it going?

454
00:25:01,124 --> 00:25:03,084
That was amazing.
I'm gonna shake your hand.

455
00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,712
That was like,
how do you get up those rocks like that?

456
00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:07,714
And then we got an idea.

457
00:25:07,797 --> 00:25:08,965
[phone beeps]

458
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:10,050
[Sam] Hello, Tolga.

459
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:11,092
[Tolga] Hey, brother.

460
00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:14,262
Sorry, my voice is so bad,
but I just got back into town, so…

461
00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:17,349
[clears throat] …I'm gonna bring you
a little surprise. Is that okay?

462
00:25:17,432 --> 00:25:21,311
It's your birthday, so I wanted to kind of
film it and give this to you. [chuckles]

463
00:25:21,394 --> 00:25:22,854
The idea was,

464
00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:24,272
if they let us film…

465
00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:26,691
-Happy birthday!
-[Tolga] Where's the birthday boy?

466
00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:29,986
[Christine] …maybe if we spent
more time with them

467
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:32,697
and developed a relationship with them,

468
00:25:32,781 --> 00:25:35,742
maybe we would see
what was really going on.

469
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:38,912
Was he sexually abusing
any of these girls?

470
00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:42,499
-[Tolga] How old are we now?
-[Sam] Thank you, 46.

471
00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,334
[Tolga] Forty-six? Okay, good.

472
00:25:44,417 --> 00:25:45,544
Did you have a good birthday?

473
00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:47,379
[Christine] What did you do
for his birthday?

474
00:25:47,462 --> 00:25:49,714
-[Sam's wife] We're doing it tomorrow.
-Tomorrow? Okay.

475
00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,550
[Christine] I'm so glad
we came tonight, then.

476
00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:52,926
This is for the king.

477
00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:54,678
-[Tolga] Yes.
-[women chuckling]

478
00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:56,805
[Christine] We were gonna
literally bring you a crown.

479
00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:59,349
[Tolga] We wanted to get a crown,
but we couldn't find any, so…

480
00:25:59,432 --> 00:26:00,475
-[laughs]
-Well, thank you.

481
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,519
What I told them is,

482
00:26:02,602 --> 00:26:04,437
"I'll go in my room and shut the door,

483
00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,648
and you sing 'Happy Birthday'
while I'm there."

484
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:08,024
-[women laughing]
-[Tolga] Oh.

485
00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:12,571
[music fades]

486
00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:14,573
[Christine] Sam, I learned,

487
00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:17,951
was the actual leader of this new group.

488
00:26:18,034 --> 00:26:19,160
The Samuelite Group.

489
00:26:21,454 --> 00:26:23,665
They all lived in the same house.

490
00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:26,001
A big blue house.

491
00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:28,128
[inquisitive music playing]

492
00:26:28,211 --> 00:26:30,213
[indistinct chatter]

493
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,009
[Christine] The group was very small,

494
00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:36,970
less than 50 people,
and that includes babies.

495
00:26:37,929 --> 00:26:41,725
Besides Sam,
there were three main families involved.

496
00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:46,146
He recruited Torrance Bistline.

497
00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:50,275
Torrance was a very motivated businessman.

498
00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:55,238
Sam also recruited Ladell Bistline Jr.

499
00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:57,991
and Moroni Johnson.

500
00:26:58,491 --> 00:27:02,662
I was so lacking
in that gift of revelation.

501
00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:05,415
I could not do it without Samuel's help.

502
00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:08,793
I love him more than I love anyone,
and I will do what he asks me to do.

503
00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:12,505
And he has proven it and proven it,
and God is my witness.

504
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:17,302
[Christine] All the men in Sam's group
had status in the community,

505
00:27:17,385 --> 00:27:19,179
and they all were successful.

506
00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:21,431
And I thought,

507
00:27:22,432 --> 00:27:25,352
why are they going for Sam, of all people?

508
00:27:28,063 --> 00:27:29,522
[music fades]

509
00:27:29,606 --> 00:27:31,316
[Shirlee] For the FLDS,

510
00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:34,694
everyone was expected
to be obedient to the prophet.

511
00:27:34,778 --> 00:27:36,321
That's the way to heaven.

512
00:27:37,697 --> 00:27:40,325
So they're dying to hear from Warren,

513
00:27:40,408 --> 00:27:42,661
dying to know what their next step was.

514
00:27:43,286 --> 00:27:45,205
[somber music playing]

515
00:27:45,288 --> 00:27:47,666
It's been five, six, seven years

516
00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:50,669
since some of these people
have heard from Warren.

517
00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:55,340
[Christine] Now suddenly,

518
00:27:55,423 --> 00:27:57,676
Sam came up with

519
00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,512
that Warren Jeffs has actually died,

520
00:28:01,513 --> 00:28:05,016
and the media is lying to you,
as they always do,

521
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,811
and it's just a mannequin
that's in his room.

522
00:28:07,894 --> 00:28:09,979
[keyboard clacking]

523
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:15,443
And Sam said,
"I am now Warren Jeffs's messenger."

524
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:18,321
"He's giving me this direction
from the other side of death."

525
00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:23,410
[Shirlee] This, in fact,
was what Warren had said

526
00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:25,078
when his father died.

527
00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:27,956
His father had been the prophet,

528
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,751
and Warren said that his father
was now speaking through him.

529
00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:36,339
And so what Sam told his followers

530
00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,425
was that Warren had left his body

531
00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:41,720
and that he was now speaking
through Samuel.

532
00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:44,264
The other night we were talking,
and he said,

533
00:28:44,347 --> 00:28:46,599
"This is the spirit of Uncle Warren."

534
00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:50,603
And I thought, that's pretty bold.

535
00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:52,856
[Christine laughing] Yeah, yeah, for sure.

536
00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:56,192
But if he didn't say it,
he'd have never woke me up

537
00:28:56,276 --> 00:28:59,112
and never started down the path
of waking me up.

538
00:28:59,195 --> 00:29:02,115
He is now the mouthpiece for Warren Jeffs.

539
00:29:02,198 --> 00:29:04,993
I can feel… people's spirits.

540
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:08,163
I can feel it. The spirit. It's a gift.

541
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,331
[keyboard clacking]

542
00:29:17,005 --> 00:29:21,050
[Lamont] Sam decided that the mantle
of Warren Jeffs had fallen upon him.

543
00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:24,262
I mean, shit,
you take people's faith away,

544
00:29:24,345 --> 00:29:26,181
they'll do anything to feel it.

545
00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:31,853
[Christine] Moroni was the first person
to believe in Sam.

546
00:29:33,938 --> 00:29:36,733
And because Sam was now the prophet,

547
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,820
he agreed to turn over his daughters,

548
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,823
even his very young daughters,
to marry Sam.

549
00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:47,118
By the time we met Moroni,

550
00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:50,580
he had given all of his daughters to Sam.

551
00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:52,791
[Moroni] I surrender

552
00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:54,459
the ladies under my care.

553
00:29:55,084 --> 00:29:57,128
They belong to Father Samuel.

554
00:29:57,212 --> 00:29:59,631
What he chooses to do with them
is his business.

555
00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:03,551
[Christine] Moroni had many wives,

556
00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:06,346
and most of those wives married Sam.

557
00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:11,851
And then Sam starts taking

558
00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:14,103
Ladell's daughters

559
00:30:15,438 --> 00:30:16,856
and his wife

560
00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:19,692
and other women in his care.

561
00:30:20,777 --> 00:30:23,279
[Ladell] And I says,
"Samuel, she's yours."

562
00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:25,907
And he said, "God bless you."

563
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:29,410
[Christine] So your whole family is now
going to be sealed to Samuel?

564
00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:30,578
[Ladell] Mm-hmm.

565
00:30:31,329 --> 00:30:34,040
However it might look to an earthly mind,

566
00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:35,959
you don't have any clue.

567
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:38,002
Those girls love him.

568
00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:41,130
I'll testify that to the whole world.

569
00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:42,715
I've seen it.

570
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,260
[women giggling]

571
00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:48,471
[Christine] Everybody
in a fundamental Mormon group

572
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,807
want to be associated with the prophet.

573
00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:54,727
They want to be
the right-hand man of the prophet.

574
00:30:54,811 --> 00:30:57,188
They want to be the wife of the prophet.

575
00:30:57,272 --> 00:30:59,190
It's like being the wife of God.

576
00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:01,860
And if you're a believer,
who wouldn't want that?

577
00:31:07,615 --> 00:31:08,950
[music fades]

578
00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:12,203
[Carole] Several of my nieces ended up

579
00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:14,205
marrying him.

580
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:17,542
It gave them the opportunity
to have children.

581
00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:20,837
And… I could…

582
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,341
[spluttering] I just felt like,
but by the grace of God, that could be me.

583
00:31:25,425 --> 00:31:27,427
[pensive music playing]

584
00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:32,098
[Esther] It was really hard for me to see

585
00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:35,393
these people that
I really loved and respected

586
00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:37,020
go that way.

587
00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:40,773
You know, Lud and Torrance are my nephews.

588
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,693
So I did know

589
00:31:44,235 --> 00:31:45,904
a lot of 'em very well.

590
00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:49,866
[Christine] Now that he's a prophet,

591
00:31:49,949 --> 00:31:53,995
Sam would use his power
to make his desires known.

592
00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:01,169
Torrance had a very successful
green energy company

593
00:32:01,252 --> 00:32:03,087
that was making a lot of money.

594
00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:07,091
Moroni and Ladell worked for this company.

595
00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:12,931
And I learned that Sam's followers
were subsidizing his lifestyle.

596
00:32:15,391 --> 00:32:16,559
We found out where he lived,

597
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,519
and so we'd drive by it
every couple of days

598
00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:20,063
and see how many cars he had there.

599
00:32:20,146 --> 00:32:22,065
And then all of a sudden, holy crap.

600
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,861
[Tolga] That's basically the Bateman crew

601
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:30,740
and their fleet of vehicles
driving by my house.

602
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:36,871
[Esther] They'd have a whole motorcade
with a Range Rover and two Bentleys

603
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,665
and then another Range Rover.

604
00:32:41,876 --> 00:32:44,629
And they'd drive around town and show off.

605
00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:47,548
It was really sort of a…

606
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:50,843
a fuck you to all the men

607
00:32:50,927 --> 00:32:55,390
who had dissed on Sam and thought
he wasn't important in his life.

608
00:32:55,473 --> 00:32:59,060
He wanted to show those men
that he was the king.

609
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,482
[music fades]

610
00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:08,778
[birds chirping]

611
00:33:13,908 --> 00:33:15,952
Did you ever hear the story

612
00:33:16,035 --> 00:33:18,663
of our Jan's Canyon experience?

613
00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:21,666
It was a training…
It was a training I was giving the girls.

614
00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:24,252
It was so dang deep.

615
00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:27,839
It looks… It looks small on the surface,
but it was… it was eternal.

616
00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:29,757
I… I could feel it from the start.

617
00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:32,218
[Christine] Is it something
we should film them talking about?

618
00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:33,636
[Sam] Oh, I… I think so, yeah.

619
00:33:37,598 --> 00:33:38,933
[Christine] At some point,

620
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:43,479
Sam started believing that
he should be the star of our documentary.

621
00:33:43,563 --> 00:33:44,939
[women laughing]

622
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:48,735
What could be better than
blessing the world with his… his presence,

623
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:50,903
his face, his teachings?

624
00:33:50,987 --> 00:33:52,280
[intriguing music playing]

625
00:33:52,363 --> 00:33:53,406
[Christine] Hi, Samuel.

626
00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:55,199
Okay, we're coming with cameras.

627
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:56,993
Okay.

628
00:33:57,076 --> 00:34:00,747
[Christine] Sam's calling us saying,
"Can you come film this?"

629
00:34:02,331 --> 00:34:03,666
We play along.

630
00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:07,670
The rule of thumb was,
if Sam wanted us to spend time,

631
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:10,006
we were gonna go. This is our new job.

632
00:34:10,631 --> 00:34:12,925
-[Sam's wife 1] We brought Christine!
-[Christine] Hi!

633
00:34:13,009 --> 00:34:14,218
-[chuckling]
-Hi, Christine.

634
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,387
[Christine] We are going on an adventure.

635
00:34:17,764 --> 00:34:20,266
Tolga was making money doing music videos,

636
00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:23,186
but now his career was on hold.

637
00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,021
His life is on hold.

638
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:28,357
He wanted us to film all the time.

639
00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:30,735
[Sam] I'd like some videos
of me just walking real fast.

640
00:34:31,235 --> 00:34:33,863
My day would start out,
eight o'clock in the morning,

641
00:34:33,946 --> 00:34:37,950
"Tolga, Sam wants you
to go film him on the motorcycle."

642
00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:40,411
[Christine] Tolga, he's there.
You see him?

643
00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:42,038
[engine revving]

644
00:34:42,121 --> 00:34:44,582
[Tolga] He was the worst.
He couldn't jump the motorcycle.

645
00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:46,918
He couldn't do anything.
I had to sit there and watch him

646
00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:47,877
like a fool.

647
00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:50,505
[Tolga] Amazing.

648
00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:54,967
He would say,
"I want you to watch me hike."

649
00:34:56,928 --> 00:34:59,472
[Tolga] Wow, you're really talented.
I didn't know that.

650
00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:03,267
-Where did you learn to do that?
-What, to hike? Just hiking, huh?

651
00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:07,563
We're here with Sam and the girls,

652
00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:12,777
and he's, um, facilitating
a reenactment of an experience.

653
00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:15,488
There's a message in it.
It's like a life lesson,

654
00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:17,907
and he wanted that captured,
so we're doing it.

655
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,575
[Sam] So this is kind of how it was.

656
00:35:19,659 --> 00:35:21,410
[Christine] Did you say,
"Pray for me," right?

657
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:23,037
[Sam] Oh yeah, I didn't say that, did I?

658
00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,831
-Should we do that one again?
-[Tolga] Yeah.

659
00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:27,708
Pray for me.

660
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:30,378
-That works.
-[Tolga] Perfect.

661
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,797
I can't guarantee this is…

662
00:35:33,381 --> 00:35:35,007
this is the right path.

663
00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:37,718
[Tolga] Watch the cactus.

664
00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:43,641
[Sam] Girls, I've been wondering
when you'd come down.

665
00:35:44,225 --> 00:35:48,646
I'm not displeased with you, but this is
a lesson that people have to learn,

666
00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:51,983
is that you can communicate
through the spirit of God.

667
00:35:53,943 --> 00:35:56,571
Okay. What?
Should we do it again, or what?

668
00:35:58,364 --> 00:35:59,866
[music fades]

669
00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:01,200
[Christine] Then one day,

670
00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:03,119
Sam called in the morning,

671
00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:05,163
and he said he had an impression.

672
00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:09,208
Now, an "impression" is
like God's telling you something.

673
00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:11,294
"I had an impression from the Lord

674
00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:13,379
that you and Tolga

675
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:16,507
need to come over to my house this morning

676
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:18,676
and we need to tell you some things."

677
00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:20,011
[Sam] Oh my goodness, thank you.

678
00:36:20,094 --> 00:36:22,972
[Sam's wife] It might be a bit slushy
because it was in the freezer.

679
00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:27,226
[Christine] He had all these women
and children there.

680
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,395
[Sam] Because it's like
they're here to protect us…

681
00:36:29,478 --> 00:36:34,192
And then Sam said he had an impression
that he should leave the room

682
00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:37,028
while the girls talk to us.

683
00:36:37,111 --> 00:36:39,238
[indistinct chatter]

684
00:36:39,322 --> 00:36:40,364
[Tolga] Okay.

685
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:44,702
[Christine] Finally, the chance
to talk to the girls by themselves.

686
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:49,332
I was trying to figure out,
what can I ask without giving a red flag?

687
00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:50,541
[women chuckle]

688
00:36:50,625 --> 00:36:53,336
So do you feel like…
do you feel like your life…

689
00:36:53,419 --> 00:36:55,922
Like, how has your life changed
since all this?

690
00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:58,007
Since you got your testimony of Samuel?

691
00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:59,842
All for the better.

692
00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:01,802
-Fifty times happier.
-Yeah.

693
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:04,180
-Fifty times more at peace.
-Something to live for.

694
00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:07,350
There's always something to live for
and always an increase.

695
00:37:07,433 --> 00:37:09,393
And you always know
that somebody loves you,

696
00:37:09,477 --> 00:37:11,103
somebody's praying for you.

697
00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:16,025
What more could a girl ask for
but just to belong somewhere.

698
00:37:16,108 --> 00:37:17,610
-[chuckles]
-[Christine] Yeah.

699
00:37:18,611 --> 00:37:20,988
The girls were enamored with Sam.

700
00:37:21,614 --> 00:37:24,158
They told us that they had received

701
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:27,620
confirmation from God
that they were meant to be with Sam.

702
00:37:27,703 --> 00:37:29,956
Should we hop in the Bentley
and get Toro and talk to him?

703
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:31,249
-[Tolga] Sure.
-Okay.

704
00:37:32,291 --> 00:37:35,419
And then Sam said, "Let's go for a drive."

705
00:37:36,504 --> 00:37:39,048
And he puts us in the car,

706
00:37:39,131 --> 00:37:43,219
and he picks three girls. "I want you
and you and you to come along."

707
00:37:43,302 --> 00:37:44,470
[pensive music playing]

708
00:37:44,553 --> 00:37:46,973
We start driving around.

709
00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:49,100
There's four of us in the back seat,

710
00:37:49,183 --> 00:37:53,479
and then Tolga in the front with Sam,
but he wasn't filming.

711
00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:59,777
Sam starts talking about
how much he suffered.

712
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:04,573
And it seems as if he's trying
to build up to something.

713
00:38:05,741 --> 00:38:07,743
I thought, where is this gonna go?

714
00:38:07,827 --> 00:38:10,121
I put in a lot of hours
to wait for this moment

715
00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:11,831
to see what is really happening.

716
00:38:11,914 --> 00:38:14,917
So I reached my hand down into my purse,

717
00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:16,043
grabbed my phone,

718
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,214
and I sneak it up my leg.

719
00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:24,677
And I very secretly hit record.

720
00:38:25,177 --> 00:38:27,179
And Sam

721
00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:30,099
just spilled the beans.

722
00:38:32,226 --> 00:38:33,894
[Sam on recording]

723
00:38:50,202 --> 00:38:51,329
[Tolga] Okay.

724
00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:54,623
[Sam continues]

725
00:39:13,934 --> 00:39:14,935
[Tolga] Mmm.

726
00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:17,063
[tense music playing]

727
00:39:17,146 --> 00:39:18,898
[Christine] Sam explained

728
00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:23,861
that he had to atone
for the sins of wicked men

729
00:39:23,944 --> 00:39:27,531
by having these three wives

730
00:39:29,408 --> 00:39:30,451
have sex with them.

731
00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:33,162
[interviewer] The three girls
he had chosen to come in the car

732
00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:34,663
were the three he was telling you?

733
00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:35,581
Yes.

734
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:39,752
[Sam on recording]

735
00:39:52,723 --> 00:39:55,393
[Christine] This girl was 13 years old.

736
00:39:57,561 --> 00:40:00,356
It was clear, for the first time,

737
00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:04,402
that… there was sexual abuse of children.

738
00:40:06,529 --> 00:40:08,656
[Sam on recording]

739
00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:09,573
[Tolga] Yeah.

740
00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:13,244
[Sam continues]

741
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:15,955
[Tolga] Mmm.

742
00:40:16,038 --> 00:40:20,042
[Sam continues]

743
00:40:20,126 --> 00:40:20,960
[Tolga] Yeah.

744
00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:22,545
[Sam speaking]

745
00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:26,006
While he's telling this story,

746
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:27,925
he's trying to describe

747
00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:31,512
all the pain and suffering
that he had to go through.

748
00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:33,973
In the meantime,

749
00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:39,019
these pure FLDS women,

750
00:40:39,103 --> 00:40:41,564
young women and child,

751
00:40:43,023 --> 00:40:45,317
are incredibly humiliated.

752
00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:46,444
They were like,

753
00:40:47,486 --> 00:40:49,238
you know, not good.

754
00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:51,365
[Tolga speaking]

755
00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:53,909
[Sam's wife speaking]

756
00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,537
-[Sam's wife speaking]
-[Sam] Yeah, it hurts.

757
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:58,747
[Sam's wife continues]

758
00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:02,334
She said, "I was so dang scared."

759
00:41:02,418 --> 00:41:05,546
And then Sam starts telling them
what to say.

760
00:41:05,629 --> 00:41:08,132
[Sam speaking]

761
00:41:11,051 --> 00:41:13,095
-[Sam speaking]
-[Sam's wife speaking]

762
00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:15,598
-[Sam] Not one speck of anything.
-[Christine] Trauma?

763
00:41:15,681 --> 00:41:17,808
-[Sam's wife speaking]
-[Christine speaking]

764
00:41:17,892 --> 00:41:20,352
[Sam speaking]

765
00:41:27,651 --> 00:41:28,569
[Sam] Has it…?

766
00:41:28,652 --> 00:41:30,029
[Sam's wife speaking]

767
00:41:30,112 --> 00:41:32,573
[Sam speaking]

768
00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:34,658
[Sam's wife speaking]

769
00:41:34,742 --> 00:41:36,452
[Sam speaking]

770
00:41:36,535 --> 00:41:40,206
[Sam's wife speaking]

771
00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:47,713
[Sam speaking]

772
00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:48,714
[Tolga] Wow.

773
00:41:50,257 --> 00:41:55,054
All of the panic circuitry
in my body was exploding.

774
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:57,723
I mean, my mouth was turning into cotton,

775
00:41:57,806 --> 00:42:01,435
and I couldn't handle any more.

776
00:42:02,394 --> 00:42:05,272
Well, I am gonna go start getting ready
and feed the animals,

777
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,983
but Tolga can stay
and talk more if… if you want.

778
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:09,485
So, um…

779
00:42:09,568 --> 00:42:12,821
-[Sam] We actually gotta be home too.
-[Christine] Well, thank you.

780
00:42:12,905 --> 00:42:14,657
-Love you, guys.
-[Tolga] All good.

781
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,617
-[Tolga] Thank you.
-[Sam] Thank you. I love you.

782
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,160
-God bless you.
-[Tolga] Love you too.

783
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,996
-[Christine] Love you, Sam. Love you all.
-[Sam] Thank you guys so much.

784
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,164
[Christine chuckles] Bye.

785
00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:23,457
[gate opens]

786
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:26,001
[disturbing music playing]

787
00:42:26,043 --> 00:42:29,672
[Christine] The date
is November 10th, 2021.

788
00:42:29,755 --> 00:42:31,840
[clucking, squawking]

789
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:33,509
The location is

790
00:42:34,718 --> 00:42:36,887
Colorado City, Arizona.

791
00:42:37,471 --> 00:42:39,348
Driving around in a car.

792
00:42:39,848 --> 00:42:41,850
[disturbing music continues]

793
00:42:46,272 --> 00:42:47,273
[exhales deeply]

794
00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:51,443
Yeah. Tolga, we have to… we have to…

795
00:42:51,527 --> 00:42:53,195
I have to turn this tape in.

796
00:42:54,071 --> 00:42:56,532
[Tolga] Yes, but you got…
you got now full trust.

797
00:42:56,615 --> 00:42:57,992
You gotta wait a couple more days.

798
00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,494
-I know, I can't… I have to explain.
-[Tolga] They can't know.

799
00:43:00,578 --> 00:43:03,581
These girls need my…
They need to trust me,

800
00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:05,791
or they won't ever trust anybody.

801
00:43:05,874 --> 00:43:07,668
So I don't know what to do.

802
00:43:07,751 --> 00:43:10,838
-You know. They'll know--
-[Tolga] Just lay low for a second.

803
00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:13,632
-Just let the police know, and… lay low.
-Yeah.

804
00:43:13,716 --> 00:43:15,217
Yeah, I'm gonna call.

805
00:43:15,301 --> 00:43:16,885
[dramatic sting]

806
00:43:17,886 --> 00:43:19,930
[enigmatic music playing]

807
00:44:11,815 --> 00:44:13,859
[music ends]