1 00:00:05,483 --> 00:00:07,442 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,659 --> 00:00:08,921 sexually based offenses 3 00:00:09,096 --> 00:00:11,054 are considered especially heinous. 4 00:00:11,272 --> 00:00:13,752 In New York City, the dedicated detectives 5 00:00:13,970 --> 00:00:15,450 who investigate these vicious felonies 6 00:00:15,667 --> 00:00:17,060 are members of an elite squad 7 00:00:17,278 --> 00:00:18,931 known as the Special Victims Unit. 8 00:00:19,106 --> 00:00:20,803 These are their stories. 9 00:00:40,431 --> 00:00:41,518 Hey! 10 00:00:41,519 --> 00:00:43,565 What the hell? That's my car! 11 00:00:43,782 --> 00:00:45,087 Hey, don't come any closer! 12 00:00:45,088 --> 00:00:47,090 - Look what you did! - He said stand back! 13 00:00:47,308 --> 00:00:49,353 Wha-- 14 00:00:49,571 --> 00:00:51,267 Run, Harrison! 15 00:00:55,142 --> 00:00:57,883 Police! 16 00:00:58,058 --> 00:00:59,624 NYPD! 17 00:00:59,842 --> 00:01:01,017 Don't move. 18 00:01:01,191 --> 00:01:02,671 Put your hands on the car! 19 00:01:02,888 --> 00:01:04,542 - Let's go. - Margot-- 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,153 Quiet! 21 00:01:06,370 --> 00:01:07,806 Are you all right? Do you need an ambulance? 22 00:01:08,024 --> 00:01:09,460 No, I'm--I'm okay. 23 00:01:09,678 --> 00:01:11,287 What happened? 24 00:01:11,288 --> 00:01:13,247 Uh, I just ca--came out and found them messing up m-- 25 00:01:13,464 --> 00:01:16,554 my car. - Any idea why? 26 00:01:16,772 --> 00:01:18,381 I mean, 27 00:01:18,382 --> 00:01:20,428 I guess that. 28 00:01:25,041 --> 00:01:26,869 I take it you're Zac. 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,831 I just think it's important to believe victims. 30 00:01:33,049 --> 00:01:35,964 Well, I couldn't agree more. 31 00:01:35,965 --> 00:01:37,793 But are you saying that you're a victim? 32 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,751 I'm saying when people speak up, nobody listens. 33 00:01:39,969 --> 00:01:41,012 I'm listening. 34 00:01:41,013 --> 00:01:42,624 Margot, I'm all ears. 35 00:01:42,841 --> 00:01:44,234 No, you're gonna say what everyone else says. 36 00:01:44,452 --> 00:01:45,714 What was she wearing? Was she drinking? 37 00:01:45,931 --> 00:01:46,802 Okay, Margot, please. 38 00:01:47,019 --> 00:01:48,325 Just yes or no. 39 00:01:48,543 --> 00:01:50,719 Were you a victim of sexual assault? 40 00:01:50,936 --> 00:01:51,806 You see? 41 00:01:51,807 --> 00:01:54,025 You're not listening. 42 00:01:54,026 --> 00:01:55,767 Look, this all got out of hand. 43 00:01:55,985 --> 00:01:57,813 Nobody intended for anybody to get hurt. 44 00:01:58,030 --> 00:02:00,120 Yeah, kind of hard to buy that when you show up 45 00:02:00,294 --> 00:02:02,295 with a baseball bat, Harrison. 46 00:02:02,296 --> 00:02:04,036 Margot said it was just a precaution. 47 00:02:04,211 --> 00:02:06,343 What else did Margot say? 48 00:02:06,561 --> 00:02:09,607 That it's important to take a stand. 49 00:02:09,825 --> 00:02:11,086 And it is. 50 00:02:11,087 --> 00:02:13,306 And that we should believe women, and I do. 51 00:02:13,307 --> 00:02:14,873 You always do what Margot tells you? 52 00:02:15,091 --> 00:02:18,180 She's very, very smart. 53 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:20,401 And she cares about the world, 54 00:02:20,618 --> 00:02:22,142 and justice. 55 00:02:23,578 --> 00:02:25,623 And--and she's-- and she's smart. 56 00:02:25,841 --> 00:02:29,453 And she told you that Zac was a rapist? 57 00:02:29,671 --> 00:02:31,455 I am not a rapist. 58 00:02:31,673 --> 00:02:33,849 I don't even know what they're talking about. 59 00:02:34,066 --> 00:02:35,329 You've never met either of them? 60 00:02:35,546 --> 00:02:37,809 No, but a couple days ago, I started getting 61 00:02:38,027 --> 00:02:40,159 all these DMs on my socials. 62 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,162 They found my work email. 63 00:02:42,336 --> 00:02:44,599 Total strangers saying I raped somebody. 64 00:02:44,816 --> 00:02:46,034 Zac, what I need you to focus on 65 00:02:46,035 --> 00:02:48,037 is why they'd get this idea about you. 66 00:02:48,211 --> 00:02:50,169 Man, I don't know. 67 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:52,345 They're crazy? 68 00:02:52,346 --> 00:02:54,174 You know, mistaken identity? 69 00:02:54,348 --> 00:02:57,351 I--I don't even know who's saying I did that. 70 00:02:57,568 --> 00:02:59,614 Margot, this is not a trick question. 71 00:02:59,831 --> 00:03:01,050 It's yes or no. 72 00:03:01,224 --> 00:03:03,008 Is the victim a friend of yours or not? 73 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:04,227 What if she's not? 74 00:03:04,445 --> 00:03:05,924 Do we have to be besties? 75 00:03:06,142 --> 00:03:07,056 Oh, my God, you-- 76 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:08,579 you don't have to be anything. 77 00:03:08,797 --> 00:03:10,842 I don't know how to get through to you. 78 00:03:11,060 --> 00:03:14,237 I cannot move forward with this investigation 79 00:03:14,455 --> 00:03:17,022 until I have a name. 80 00:03:19,634 --> 00:03:22,941 Who is this victim you are avenging? 81 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:24,943 Like, a name? 82 00:03:25,161 --> 00:03:27,642 Yeah, exactly, like a name. 83 00:03:27,859 --> 00:03:30,384 I don't actually know her real-life name. 84 00:03:30,601 --> 00:03:31,906 I never met her. 85 00:03:31,907 --> 00:03:33,691 You never had one conversation with her? 86 00:03:33,909 --> 00:03:35,345 No, but it doesn't matter. 87 00:03:35,563 --> 00:03:37,434 What matters is we found her rapist, and you didn't. 88 00:03:37,652 --> 00:03:40,002 Okay, Margot, I need you to give me 89 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:42,439 something to investigate, just one thing. 90 00:03:42,657 --> 00:03:43,701 Could be anything. 91 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:46,313 I need you to give me one thing. 92 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:55,104 Her name is Jaded Ember. 93 00:03:55,278 --> 00:03:58,107 She's a VTuber on Twitch. 94 00:03:58,281 --> 00:04:00,849 Like a virtual streamer. 95 00:04:01,066 --> 00:04:04,373 I don't expect anyone to believe me or help me. 96 00:04:04,374 --> 00:04:06,681 I just wanted to say it out loud. 97 00:04:06,898 --> 00:04:09,205 The guy who raped me, he's gonna get away with it. 98 00:04:09,379 --> 00:04:11,946 But maybe someone who's going through something like this, 99 00:04:11,947 --> 00:04:14,906 maybe they'll hear me and have a different ending. 100 00:04:15,124 --> 00:04:16,778 I don't know. 101 00:04:16,995 --> 00:04:18,823 It would be awesome if this helped someone. 102 00:04:19,041 --> 00:04:21,957 Otherwise, what's even the point? 103 00:04:22,174 --> 00:04:26,048 I mean, you'd have to be crazy to ignore that. 104 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:29,051 How could we just not try to help? 105 00:05:23,018 --> 00:05:24,671 And we think he's casing the houses 106 00:05:24,672 --> 00:05:26,150 until the occupants leave. 107 00:05:26,151 --> 00:05:28,284 So I'm assigning an additional unit to Sector David. 108 00:05:28,458 --> 00:05:30,242 Questions? 109 00:05:30,417 --> 00:05:34,029 All right, then let's focus on quality stops and good collars. 110 00:05:34,246 --> 00:05:36,422 And make sure your body cams are up and running. 111 00:05:36,423 --> 00:05:38,468 Be professional, respectful, and everyone 112 00:05:38,686 --> 00:05:40,122 comes back in one piece. 113 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:42,994 All right, thanks. Dismissed. 114 00:05:46,084 --> 00:05:47,912 Not one officer checking their phone. 115 00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:49,652 They must like you. 116 00:05:49,653 --> 00:05:51,089 Well, there may or may not be a rumor going around 117 00:05:51,307 --> 00:05:53,222 that anyone not paying attention to the roll 118 00:05:53,396 --> 00:05:54,745 gets zero OT. 119 00:05:54,963 --> 00:05:56,356 You're laying down the hammer. 120 00:05:56,530 --> 00:05:57,748 Guess I'm a natural. 121 00:05:59,837 --> 00:06:02,535 I don't like this. 122 00:06:02,536 --> 00:06:04,275 There's nothing to like. It is what it is. 123 00:06:04,276 --> 00:06:06,496 Yeah, but can I still be mad for you? 124 00:06:08,237 --> 00:06:11,588 Ah, shoot, I got a budgeting meeting coming up. 125 00:06:11,806 --> 00:06:14,156 But tell Griff if he double parks in front of the precinct 126 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:16,637 again, I'm gonna have his ass towed. 127 00:06:20,684 --> 00:06:22,250 I'm not gonna lie. 128 00:06:22,251 --> 00:06:25,385 That interview from last night kind of broke my brain. 129 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:27,691 Yeah, I feel like I know less after talking to them 130 00:06:27,909 --> 00:06:30,085 than I did after reading the two-sentence police report. 131 00:06:30,302 --> 00:06:32,087 I had to cut Zac loose. He said he'd stay in town. 132 00:06:32,304 --> 00:06:33,218 Yeah, we got nothing to hold him on. 133 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:34,437 What'd I miss? 134 00:06:34,655 --> 00:06:35,872 A whole lot of questions. 135 00:06:35,873 --> 00:06:37,266 Okay, so I found the rest of that clip 136 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,920 from Jaded Ember's Twitch site. 137 00:06:39,137 --> 00:06:41,662 She's got a ton of fans on GameCast. 138 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:43,751 Mostly livestreams herself playing video games. 139 00:06:43,968 --> 00:06:45,143 But here's the part of the video where 140 00:06:45,361 --> 00:06:46,754 she talks about being raped. 141 00:06:46,971 --> 00:06:49,278 I was in therapy when it all came back to me. 142 00:06:49,452 --> 00:06:52,020 It's so crazy how your brain can just forget things 143 00:06:52,237 --> 00:06:54,109 that are, like, too traumatic. 144 00:06:54,326 --> 00:06:56,285 But I can feel him 145 00:06:56,459 --> 00:06:58,809 pressing down on my neck, 146 00:06:59,027 --> 00:07:00,724 telling me to relax. 147 00:07:00,942 --> 00:07:02,465 I could hardly breathe. 148 00:07:02,683 --> 00:07:03,858 I couldn't scream. 149 00:07:04,075 --> 00:07:06,643 I-- 150 00:07:06,861 --> 00:07:08,253 I don't know. This sounds crazy. 151 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:11,648 I hope you guys believe me. 152 00:07:11,866 --> 00:07:13,955 So it's a recovered memory. 153 00:07:14,172 --> 00:07:15,913 Yeah, from someone who won't reveal their identity. 154 00:07:16,131 --> 00:07:17,088 It's tricky. 155 00:07:17,306 --> 00:07:18,655 Did she identify her rapist? 156 00:07:18,873 --> 00:07:20,962 No, nothing. No name, no details. 157 00:07:21,179 --> 00:07:23,573 But our vigilante Margot claims that 158 00:07:23,791 --> 00:07:25,575 her detective skills are so incredible that 159 00:07:25,793 --> 00:07:27,098 they have cracked the case. - Mm. 160 00:07:27,316 --> 00:07:28,404 Well, Zac is also a gamer. 161 00:07:28,578 --> 00:07:30,319 He's got a big following on Twitch. 162 00:07:30,493 --> 00:07:32,321 He and Jaded Ember were dating. 163 00:07:32,495 --> 00:07:35,585 But Zac claims they never met, only online. 164 00:07:35,803 --> 00:07:38,849 They had a big public ugly breakup about a year ago. 165 00:07:39,067 --> 00:07:40,938 Her fans just jumped to their own conclusions. 166 00:07:41,156 --> 00:07:42,636 It seems real thin. 167 00:07:42,853 --> 00:07:44,159 Well, how many of her fans think that he's a rapist? 168 00:07:44,376 --> 00:07:45,595 Oh, most of them. 169 00:07:45,813 --> 00:07:47,770 So he could be looking at more of her fans 170 00:07:47,771 --> 00:07:50,513 tracking him down and harassing him, or worse. 171 00:07:50,731 --> 00:07:52,994 So let's get a subpoena for her identity. 172 00:07:53,211 --> 00:07:54,604 That way, if she makes a complaint, 173 00:07:54,822 --> 00:07:56,345 we have something to investigate. 174 00:07:59,914 --> 00:08:01,393 April Deieso? 175 00:08:01,568 --> 00:08:03,047 Uh, yeah? 176 00:08:03,265 --> 00:08:05,136 You're Jaded Ember. 177 00:08:05,354 --> 00:08:06,441 What's this about? 178 00:08:06,442 --> 00:08:07,530 We're from Special Victims Unit. 179 00:08:07,748 --> 00:08:09,271 Can we talk to you for a sec? 180 00:08:10,968 --> 00:08:12,666 I don't recognize them. 181 00:08:12,883 --> 00:08:14,798 Yeah, I know Zac. 182 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:17,018 He's a dick and a terrible boyfriend, 183 00:08:17,235 --> 00:08:18,410 but he didn't rape me. 184 00:08:18,585 --> 00:08:20,064 Well, thanks for clearing that up. 185 00:08:20,282 --> 00:08:21,936 How bad was it? Is he okay? 186 00:08:22,153 --> 00:08:24,852 He was shaken up, but he's fine. 187 00:08:25,069 --> 00:08:27,855 You made some pretty serious allegations 188 00:08:28,072 --> 00:08:29,334 on that live stream. 189 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:31,248 We are sorry that that happened to you, 190 00:08:31,249 --> 00:08:32,599 and we would like to investigate. 191 00:08:32,816 --> 00:08:35,166 No. 192 00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:37,081 I know that it sounds kind of weird, 193 00:08:37,299 --> 00:08:40,650 that I'm saying I was raped, but I don't really remember. 194 00:08:40,868 --> 00:08:42,522 And I--I know how crazy that sounds-- 195 00:08:42,739 --> 00:08:44,219 But it's not crazy. 196 00:08:44,436 --> 00:08:47,701 So, April, it's very common for victims 197 00:08:47,918 --> 00:08:51,095 to block out significant details from their assault. 198 00:08:51,313 --> 00:08:53,576 Right, but I only remember bits and pieces, 199 00:08:53,794 --> 00:08:55,447 and I don't wanna be, like, quizzed on everything. 200 00:08:55,622 --> 00:08:57,449 You said you remembered this while you were in therapy. 201 00:08:57,624 --> 00:09:00,191 Can you talk to us more about that? 202 00:09:00,409 --> 00:09:02,367 I--I don't think I can. 203 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:04,195 What do you mean? 204 00:09:04,413 --> 00:09:05,675 I was on a psychedelic. 205 00:09:05,893 --> 00:09:06,981 Okay. 206 00:09:07,198 --> 00:09:11,420 It was a clinical trial for PTSD. 207 00:09:11,594 --> 00:09:13,814 It's this drug called protryptamine. 208 00:09:14,031 --> 00:09:14,989 Okay. 209 00:09:15,206 --> 00:09:16,425 No, I-- 210 00:09:16,599 --> 00:09:17,948 I really shouldn't have said anything. 211 00:09:18,166 --> 00:09:19,123 I know how it sounds. 212 00:09:19,341 --> 00:09:20,429 Nobody's gonna believe me. 213 00:09:20,603 --> 00:09:22,562 We're here because we think that 214 00:09:22,779 --> 00:09:24,520 there is something to investigate. 215 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:26,087 There's not. 216 00:09:26,304 --> 00:09:28,176 I don't remember enough. 217 00:09:28,393 --> 00:09:29,699 You won't be able to find him. 218 00:09:29,917 --> 00:09:31,614 Let us try. 219 00:09:35,313 --> 00:09:38,534 So the clinical trial has been over for almost a year. 220 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:41,058 And the drug is being tested for the treatment 221 00:09:41,276 --> 00:09:43,626 of PTSD, anxiety, depression. 222 00:09:43,844 --> 00:09:45,585 And April had no memory of this assault 223 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:47,412 before taking a hallucinogen? 224 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:48,675 No, she doesn't. 225 00:09:48,892 --> 00:09:50,459 But it's--it's not a hallucinogen. 226 00:09:50,633 --> 00:09:51,852 It's not like LSD or DMT. 227 00:09:52,069 --> 00:09:54,505 It activates serotonin receptors, 228 00:09:54,506 --> 00:09:57,074 increases prolactin, which boosts 229 00:09:57,292 --> 00:09:59,250 about every happy hormone you can think of. 230 00:09:59,468 --> 00:10:01,775 And this makes you recover memories? 231 00:10:01,992 --> 00:10:03,515 Or invent them? 232 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:05,953 Look, I gotta ask you, 233 00:10:06,170 --> 00:10:08,695 are you sure that this assault actually happened? 234 00:10:08,912 --> 00:10:12,220 Well, we don't know yet, but April believes that it did. 235 00:10:12,437 --> 00:10:15,702 And now so do a lot of internet warriors. 236 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:18,313 So we're just--we're trying to get to the truth. 237 00:10:18,530 --> 00:10:21,358 All right, look, even if April recalls details, 238 00:10:21,359 --> 00:10:23,057 you're gonna need a lot more than that. 239 00:10:23,274 --> 00:10:25,276 The issue here--she wasn't aware this crime happened 240 00:10:25,494 --> 00:10:26,800 before taking a psychedelic. 241 00:10:27,017 --> 00:10:28,758 Even if this treatment is gaining legitimacy? 242 00:10:28,976 --> 00:10:30,150 Well, it doesn't matter. 243 00:10:30,151 --> 00:10:32,849 People v. Hughes, People v. Tunstall, 244 00:10:33,067 --> 00:10:35,025 both of these cases evaluated memories 245 00:10:35,243 --> 00:10:36,374 that were recovered through hypnosis, 246 00:10:36,592 --> 00:10:38,115 and the courts have repeatedly found 247 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:40,465 that testimony needs to be supported 248 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,424 by pre-hypnotic recollection, okay? 249 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:44,165 They're absolutely going to apply that here. 250 00:10:44,382 --> 00:10:45,688 So this is dead in the water? 251 00:10:45,906 --> 00:10:48,169 You can use this statement to ID a suspect, 252 00:10:48,386 --> 00:10:49,910 but then you're gonna need independent evidence. 253 00:10:50,127 --> 00:10:51,520 You're gonna need a confession. 254 00:10:51,694 --> 00:10:52,695 Well, you know, it's a clinical trial. 255 00:10:52,913 --> 00:10:54,304 They've gotta have records. 256 00:10:54,305 --> 00:10:55,655 So maybe there's more details in the session. 257 00:10:55,829 --> 00:10:56,960 Those are not gonna be admissible. 258 00:10:57,178 --> 00:10:58,745 But it's a very good place to start. 259 00:10:58,962 --> 00:11:00,529 I'll see if I can get permission from April 260 00:11:00,703 --> 00:11:02,836 to talk with the therapist. 261 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:07,144 Protryptamine is both plant-derived 262 00:11:07,362 --> 00:11:09,843 and chemically stabilized, making it more compatible 263 00:11:10,060 --> 00:11:11,975 with our brain chemistry than most psychedelics. 264 00:11:12,193 --> 00:11:15,239 And the vast majority of our participants, 265 00:11:15,457 --> 00:11:18,634 they no longer meet the diagnostic criteria for PTSD. 266 00:11:18,808 --> 00:11:22,203 I won't be going back to traditional treatment again. 267 00:11:22,420 --> 00:11:24,334 So it's a miracle drug? 268 00:11:24,335 --> 00:11:26,642 I know it all sounds a little kooky-- 269 00:11:26,816 --> 00:11:29,689 pop a pill, listen to music, lay down in a dark room, 270 00:11:29,906 --> 00:11:31,473 and see what feelings come up, 271 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:34,215 but we have seen what it could do for people. 272 00:11:34,432 --> 00:11:35,869 Which one of you treated April? 273 00:11:36,086 --> 00:11:37,348 We both did. 274 00:11:37,566 --> 00:11:39,394 At the--at the same time? 275 00:11:39,611 --> 00:11:40,569 Is that typical? 276 00:11:40,743 --> 00:11:42,919 It's protocol, and necessary. 277 00:11:43,137 --> 00:11:45,705 I mean, the sessions can bring up strong, sometimes difficult 278 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:47,402 emotions, and can last hours. 279 00:11:47,619 --> 00:11:48,838 What were you treating her for? 280 00:11:49,056 --> 00:11:50,578 PTSD. 281 00:11:50,579 --> 00:11:52,624 At the time, we believed her symptoms--hyperarousal, 282 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:54,539 numbness, hypervigilance-- 283 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:56,672 all stemmed from growing up in an unstable household 284 00:11:56,846 --> 00:11:58,282 with an alcoholic mother. 285 00:11:58,500 --> 00:11:59,849 You think it's possible it actually 286 00:12:00,067 --> 00:12:01,459 stemmed from sexual assault? 287 00:12:01,677 --> 00:12:03,374 Obviously, we don't know for certain. 288 00:12:03,592 --> 00:12:05,725 But whether or not an event happened is unimportant. 289 00:12:05,899 --> 00:12:07,465 Seems it would be very important. 290 00:12:07,683 --> 00:12:09,293 Detectives, we're not in the business 291 00:12:09,511 --> 00:12:11,600 of investigating the accuracy of a memory 292 00:12:11,774 --> 00:12:13,080 or catching criminals. 293 00:12:13,297 --> 00:12:15,604 We are in the business of healing. 294 00:12:15,778 --> 00:12:19,390 We explore the meaning behind the memory, true or not. 295 00:12:19,608 --> 00:12:20,957 Yes or no. 296 00:12:21,175 --> 00:12:22,219 You think she was raped? 297 00:12:22,437 --> 00:12:24,221 No, I don't. 298 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:28,443 I pulled her session files. 299 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:30,750 Take a look yourselves. 300 00:12:30,924 --> 00:12:34,666 I trust that you'll protect both April and our work. 301 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:36,146 Thank you. 302 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:48,942 Dr. Severson, got a minute? 303 00:12:49,159 --> 00:12:50,291 Uh, unfortunately, no. 304 00:12:50,508 --> 00:12:51,771 I'm late for an appointment. Sorry. 305 00:12:51,988 --> 00:12:53,468 We'll walk with you, and then maybe you 306 00:12:53,685 --> 00:12:54,903 could tell us what you wouldn't say up there 307 00:12:54,904 --> 00:12:56,906 in front of your partner. 308 00:12:57,124 --> 00:12:59,387 Uh, there's really not much more to say. 309 00:12:59,604 --> 00:13:00,954 That's fine. 310 00:13:01,171 --> 00:13:03,304 We'll just ask more questions, widen the net, 311 00:13:03,521 --> 00:13:05,131 involve a lot more people. 312 00:13:05,132 --> 00:13:06,394 You know, that won't impact the clinical trials at all. 313 00:13:06,611 --> 00:13:07,743 Nah, 'cause you know what pharmaceutical 314 00:13:07,917 --> 00:13:08,788 companies really love? 315 00:13:08,962 --> 00:13:10,180 Police investigations. 316 00:13:11,442 --> 00:13:13,488 Look, I'll start by saying, 317 00:13:13,705 --> 00:13:15,707 I don't mean to disparage my colleague. 318 00:13:15,882 --> 00:13:17,927 I have a lot of respect for Dr. Catmull. 319 00:13:18,145 --> 00:13:21,191 He's worked in psychedelics a long time, 320 00:13:21,409 --> 00:13:23,715 which may be the reason he's a little too invested 321 00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:26,327 in pushing protryptamine over the finish line. 322 00:13:26,544 --> 00:13:28,808 And if it gets stalled, all that research money 323 00:13:29,025 --> 00:13:29,938 goes down the drain. 324 00:13:29,939 --> 00:13:31,158 It's not about the money. 325 00:13:31,375 --> 00:13:33,029 It's about helping people. 326 00:13:33,247 --> 00:13:35,466 Jonah wasn't wrong to question recovered memories 327 00:13:35,684 --> 00:13:36,553 in any setting. 328 00:13:36,554 --> 00:13:38,121 Sometimes they're metaphors. 329 00:13:39,601 --> 00:13:41,777 But he didn't give you the whole truth. 330 00:13:41,951 --> 00:13:44,606 April has a history of using psychedelics-- 331 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:46,782 about five years ago. 332 00:13:46,956 --> 00:13:49,002 It wasn't revealed in the initial interview. 333 00:13:49,219 --> 00:13:50,438 It came out in therapy. 334 00:13:50,655 --> 00:13:52,135 But that should have disqualified her 335 00:13:52,353 --> 00:13:53,136 from the study. 336 00:13:53,354 --> 00:13:54,572 Why didn't it? 337 00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:56,836 Because she's a success story. 338 00:13:57,053 --> 00:13:58,794 Jonah wanted it in. 339 00:13:58,968 --> 00:14:00,752 So what does that have to do with her memory 340 00:14:00,927 --> 00:14:02,711 of being assaulted? 341 00:14:02,885 --> 00:14:06,671 Jonah omitted the time period when April was using, 342 00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:08,282 when she was meeting a lot of men 343 00:14:08,499 --> 00:14:10,806 and blacking out on a regular basis. 344 00:14:11,981 --> 00:14:13,591 You think that's when this happened? 345 00:14:13,809 --> 00:14:15,419 I can't say for sure it was rape, 346 00:14:15,637 --> 00:14:18,379 but something happened to that girl. 347 00:14:29,129 --> 00:14:31,218 April was trying to put together a list of the men 348 00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:32,784 that she dated five years ago, 349 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,003 but her memory's spotty. 350 00:14:35,004 --> 00:14:36,788 Can you remember who you dated five years ago? 351 00:14:36,963 --> 00:14:40,009 Well, we are not talking about me, thank you very much. 352 00:14:40,227 --> 00:14:41,793 What do we got? 353 00:14:41,968 --> 00:14:43,839 Combing through dating app matches and cross-checking 354 00:14:44,013 --> 00:14:44,927 names with databases. 355 00:14:45,145 --> 00:14:46,494 Liv. 356 00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:50,498 "No psychedelic is a magic bullet." 357 00:14:50,715 --> 00:14:51,846 For this writer. 358 00:14:51,847 --> 00:14:53,849 For others, it's the new frontier 359 00:14:54,023 --> 00:14:55,633 for mental health medicine. 360 00:14:55,851 --> 00:14:58,898 Some studies say psychedelics can assist in memory recall, 361 00:14:59,115 --> 00:15:00,638 but others say that it impairs it. 362 00:15:00,856 --> 00:15:02,640 I had a psych professor at Fordham 363 00:15:02,858 --> 00:15:05,033 who had a section on how psychedelics affect the brain. 364 00:15:05,034 --> 00:15:06,427 She can break it down for me. 365 00:15:06,644 --> 00:15:08,124 Good. Go talk to her. 366 00:15:10,735 --> 00:15:13,346 So how does protryptamine make you remember things? 367 00:15:13,347 --> 00:15:16,045 It's more that it modulates the brain's fear response. 368 00:15:16,263 --> 00:15:18,917 Our brain protects us from traumatic memories. 369 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:21,007 And a psychedelic like protryptamine 370 00:15:21,224 --> 00:15:22,878 can allow you to recall those events 371 00:15:23,052 --> 00:15:24,967 with less shame and judgment. 372 00:15:25,185 --> 00:15:28,492 For me, psychedelics weren't so much about memory. 373 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:32,105 I just felt very connected and present. 374 00:15:32,322 --> 00:15:33,671 You've done psychedelics? 375 00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:36,282 I might have had a crisis of faith or two 376 00:15:36,283 --> 00:15:38,459 that required some highly classified trips 377 00:15:38,676 --> 00:15:40,940 to Oaxaca a few years back. - Ah. 378 00:15:41,157 --> 00:15:42,463 You're not gonna turn me in, are you? 379 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,073 Yeah, the DA's on its way. 380 00:15:44,291 --> 00:15:46,467 It wasn't a clinical trial, of course. 381 00:15:46,684 --> 00:15:48,556 She was a lovely woman, luckily. 382 00:15:48,773 --> 00:15:50,732 You're very vulnerable in that state. 383 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:53,953 I'm glad to see the practice is becoming more regulated now. 384 00:15:54,170 --> 00:15:55,824 There have been problems? 385 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:57,739 It's not just protryptamine. 386 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:00,655 Sex abuse is a known problem in psychedelics, 387 00:16:00,872 --> 00:16:02,178 even the naturally occurring ones 388 00:16:02,396 --> 00:16:04,006 like ayahuasca or psilocybin. 389 00:16:04,224 --> 00:16:05,660 Mm. 390 00:16:05,877 --> 00:16:07,967 All those happy hormones, 391 00:16:08,141 --> 00:16:10,186 they mess with your personal boundaries. 392 00:16:10,404 --> 00:16:13,233 They trick you into thinking you're okay with things 393 00:16:13,450 --> 00:16:14,624 when you're not. 394 00:16:14,625 --> 00:16:15,975 Which is why there's two therapists-- 395 00:16:16,149 --> 00:16:18,281 make sure nobody crosses a line. 396 00:16:19,761 --> 00:16:21,937 The first time, I was totally freaked out. 397 00:16:22,111 --> 00:16:23,504 Okay. 398 00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:25,113 I didn't sleep at all the night before. 399 00:16:25,114 --> 00:16:28,857 And I got there, I took the pill, 400 00:16:29,031 --> 00:16:30,990 and, like, immediately fell asleep. 401 00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:32,078 Oh. 402 00:16:32,295 --> 00:16:37,344 When I woke up, I felt... 403 00:16:37,561 --> 00:16:40,129 like I... 404 00:16:40,347 --> 00:16:42,523 understood what love meant. 405 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:44,177 Wow. 406 00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:49,095 Not--not, like, being in love, but just how 407 00:16:49,312 --> 00:16:52,011 everything and everyone is all one. 408 00:16:52,185 --> 00:16:55,797 It's--it's hard to describe. 409 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:57,538 I--I know I probably sound nuts. 410 00:16:57,755 --> 00:17:01,629 No, it sounds kind of, um, incredible. 411 00:17:01,846 --> 00:17:04,632 So when did you remember the assault? 412 00:17:05,937 --> 00:17:07,200 The third time. 413 00:17:07,417 --> 00:17:08,592 Okay. 414 00:17:08,810 --> 00:17:10,203 They had me put an eye mask on, 415 00:17:10,420 --> 00:17:14,250 and it makes things a lot more intense. 416 00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:17,253 It felt so vivid, 417 00:17:17,471 --> 00:17:20,909 this strong feeling of... 418 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:22,432 violation. 419 00:17:22,650 --> 00:17:25,609 I could actually feel it happening in my body. 420 00:17:25,827 --> 00:17:26,915 I was crying. 421 00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:28,743 Did you tell your therapists? 422 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,397 One of them was sitting with me. 423 00:17:30,614 --> 00:17:33,878 He was rubbing my back and my legs, holding me. 424 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:38,013 Is that a common practice for your sessions, 425 00:17:38,187 --> 00:17:40,842 the physical touch? 426 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,496 - Y--yeah, I guess so. - Okay. 427 00:17:43,497 --> 00:17:46,456 It's just that's-- that's quite unorthodox, 428 00:17:46,674 --> 00:17:50,069 for a therapist to-- to cross that boundary. 429 00:17:50,286 --> 00:17:52,462 What happened afterwards? 430 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,942 I went home. 431 00:17:54,116 --> 00:17:55,726 Mm-hmm. 432 00:17:55,944 --> 00:17:58,599 And I could still feel it in my body the next day-- 433 00:17:58,816 --> 00:18:01,732 soreness between my legs 434 00:18:01,950 --> 00:18:03,038 and my throat, 435 00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:06,085 like somebody had choked me. 436 00:18:06,302 --> 00:18:11,612 They said it wasn't unusual for the brain to convince the body 437 00:18:11,829 --> 00:18:14,528 that it had really happened. 438 00:18:14,745 --> 00:18:17,661 In my experience, the opposite is true. 439 00:18:17,879 --> 00:18:20,534 Um... 440 00:18:20,751 --> 00:18:23,102 it's the body 441 00:18:23,276 --> 00:18:25,539 that doesn't lie. 442 00:18:25,756 --> 00:18:28,585 And your body was telling you 443 00:18:28,803 --> 00:18:31,327 that you had been violated. 444 00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:36,289 And I think that you were. 445 00:18:36,506 --> 00:18:38,160 But not five years ago. 446 00:18:40,162 --> 00:18:44,601 Have you considered that maybe you were assaulted during-- 447 00:18:44,819 --> 00:18:46,125 during your session? 448 00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:52,305 No. 449 00:18:58,963 --> 00:19:01,662 For a long time, I felt really good about the therapy. 450 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,274 It changed my brain. 451 00:19:05,492 --> 00:19:08,495 It made me more open and optimistic. 452 00:19:11,585 --> 00:19:16,894 And now it just feels like it got rotten. 453 00:19:17,112 --> 00:19:19,984 Like I'm too sick to be fixed. 454 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,073 That's not true. 455 00:19:22,248 --> 00:19:25,773 You're not too sick to be fixed. 456 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:31,474 They took advantage of you when you were vulnerable. 457 00:19:31,692 --> 00:19:33,345 And now they're gonna pay. 458 00:19:44,661 --> 00:19:47,142 Okay, so if the sessions always had two therapists, 459 00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:49,579 what are we thinking? Both of them did it? 460 00:19:49,797 --> 00:19:51,190 One of them did it while the other watched? 461 00:19:51,407 --> 00:19:53,844 Or they weren't always together all the time. 462 00:19:54,062 --> 00:19:55,629 April doesn't know who was there 463 00:19:55,846 --> 00:19:57,152 because she had a mask over her eyes. 464 00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:58,980 Well, we both know for a fact 465 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,112 they're willing to lie to cover it up. 466 00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:03,245 Catmull fudged the session notes. 467 00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:05,204 Severson sent us on a wild goose chase 468 00:20:05,378 --> 00:20:07,336 looking at five-year-old Hinge matches. 469 00:20:07,554 --> 00:20:10,034 Catmull has an M.D. and a PhD. 470 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:11,471 He's been big in the psychedelics community 471 00:20:11,688 --> 00:20:12,907 since the '90s. 472 00:20:13,124 --> 00:20:14,691 He's a real cheerleader for its benefits. 473 00:20:14,909 --> 00:20:16,518 He's got no complaints against him. 474 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:20,654 He did a ton of research papers on protryptamine therapy. 475 00:20:20,871 --> 00:20:22,917 And I looked into Catmull's financials. 476 00:20:23,134 --> 00:20:25,572 He's got significant investments in all of this. 477 00:20:25,789 --> 00:20:28,879 Okay, if protryptamine gets distribution, 478 00:20:29,097 --> 00:20:30,229 he will make a lot of money. 479 00:20:30,446 --> 00:20:31,621 Hmm. 480 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:34,145 Severson's a PsyD. 481 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,843 He's new to psychedelics game. 482 00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:37,497 He still has a private practice. 483 00:20:37,714 --> 00:20:40,369 He specializes in complex trauma, PTSD, EMDR. 484 00:20:40,587 --> 00:20:42,153 No complaints against him either. 485 00:20:42,328 --> 00:20:45,026 He and Catmull started working together two years ago 486 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:46,332 for Serolyte Pharmaceuticals. 487 00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:48,508 The parent company is based in Japan. 488 00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:50,901 The U.S. division developed protryptamine 489 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,250 and is running the trials. 490 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,121 Okay, well, these clinical trials 491 00:20:53,295 --> 00:20:54,949 often record their testing. 492 00:20:55,166 --> 00:20:58,387 So I mean, maybe there's video of these sessions. 493 00:20:58,605 --> 00:20:59,780 Let's see. 494 00:20:59,997 --> 00:21:01,912 Who's Judd Flannery? 495 00:21:02,130 --> 00:21:04,828 Catmull wrote all of his papers with the guy. 496 00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:06,482 And then it looks like they stopped 497 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:09,267 around the time Severson came into the picture. 498 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,443 I wonder what split 'em up. 499 00:21:10,660 --> 00:21:13,184 Yeah, let's find out. 500 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:17,754 Dr. Catmull and Dr. Severson 501 00:21:17,972 --> 00:21:20,104 are some of our finest researchers. 502 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:22,237 Jonah has been with it from almost the beginning. 503 00:21:22,411 --> 00:21:23,760 - Uh-huh. - Since they paired up, 504 00:21:23,978 --> 00:21:25,066 their sites consistently report 505 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:26,371 the best patient scores. 506 00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:27,808 Why? 507 00:21:28,025 --> 00:21:29,026 Well, have you ever had any complaints 508 00:21:29,244 --> 00:21:30,245 about either of them? 509 00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:31,768 No. 510 00:21:31,986 --> 00:21:33,074 What kind of complaints? 511 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:35,642 April Deieso recovered a memory 512 00:21:35,859 --> 00:21:39,123 of being sexually assaulted during one of her sessions. 513 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,691 We are looking into the possibility 514 00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:46,043 that she was assaulted during that session. 515 00:21:46,261 --> 00:21:47,915 That's not possible. April? 516 00:21:48,132 --> 00:21:50,483 Are you sure? - Yeah. 517 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:51,962 She was so pleased with her treatment outcome. 518 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:55,879 So are these sessions recorded, Ms. Fuentes? 519 00:21:56,097 --> 00:21:57,358 Yes. 520 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,057 But given how sensitive the content is, 521 00:22:00,275 --> 00:22:02,712 I can't turn anything over without a patient's permission. 522 00:22:02,930 --> 00:22:04,148 Well, I can help you with that. 523 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,063 This is April's consent. 524 00:22:06,281 --> 00:22:09,763 And you should have a digital copy of that in your inbox. 525 00:22:12,026 --> 00:22:14,115 I can't give you anything without a subpoena. 526 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:18,075 All right, we will get a subpoena. 527 00:22:18,293 --> 00:22:20,426 We'll be back. 528 00:22:20,643 --> 00:22:21,774 Save the world, 529 00:22:21,775 --> 00:22:24,255 as long as you have a court order. 530 00:22:27,128 --> 00:22:28,738 Either of you guys ever take that online quiz 531 00:22:28,956 --> 00:22:30,958 where you put in how many times a year you visit your parents, 532 00:22:31,175 --> 00:22:32,438 and then it tells you how much time you got 533 00:22:32,655 --> 00:22:33,656 left with them before they die? 534 00:22:33,874 --> 00:22:35,483 Hard no. 535 00:22:35,484 --> 00:22:36,833 I used to calculate how much closer I was to death 536 00:22:37,051 --> 00:22:37,965 working at a job I didn't care about, 537 00:22:38,182 --> 00:22:39,793 so one day I just walked. 538 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:42,186 All those years in medical school to work in a bike shop? 539 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:43,884 My dad would have throttled me. 540 00:22:44,101 --> 00:22:46,103 Well, never been happier. 541 00:22:46,321 --> 00:22:48,279 Don't get me wrong, I love helping people. 542 00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,325 I just hated everything else. 543 00:22:50,499 --> 00:22:52,414 Including Catmull? 544 00:22:52,632 --> 00:22:54,068 You know, I thought I was so lucky when he 545 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:55,678 asked me to be his research partner. 546 00:22:55,896 --> 00:22:57,071 It didn't take long to realize he didn't 547 00:22:57,288 --> 00:22:58,986 care much about the science. 548 00:22:59,203 --> 00:23:01,292 Has he been arrested? 549 00:23:01,467 --> 00:23:03,033 Why do you ask? 550 00:23:03,251 --> 00:23:04,599 Dude's a druggie. 551 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,559 I caught him swiping pills from our inventory. 552 00:23:06,776 --> 00:23:08,604 And I reported him to my supervisor at Serolyte, 553 00:23:08,822 --> 00:23:10,214 and she said they'd handle it internally. 554 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:12,129 - But they never did. - I don't know. 555 00:23:12,347 --> 00:23:13,695 But there's definitely this mentality over there 556 00:23:13,696 --> 00:23:15,698 that nothing can stop the momentum, you know? 557 00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:18,005 You ever see him act inappropriate with a patient? 558 00:23:18,222 --> 00:23:19,441 You mean, like, sexually? 559 00:23:20,877 --> 00:23:23,227 No, but I wouldn't put anything past that guy. 560 00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:24,794 A shrink with no empathy? 561 00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:26,491 That's wild. 562 00:23:26,492 --> 00:23:27,710 One time I asked him why he got into psychedelics. 563 00:23:27,928 --> 00:23:29,495 You know what he said? - Huh? 564 00:23:29,712 --> 00:23:31,584 "It's where the money's at." 565 00:23:31,801 --> 00:23:33,716 Judd Flannery was a fresh graduate who 566 00:23:33,934 --> 00:23:35,675 was incompetent and incapable. 567 00:23:35,892 --> 00:23:37,416 That's why I ended the relationship. 568 00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:39,809 Look, for all I know, he stole the meds. 569 00:23:40,027 --> 00:23:41,637 You think we're on the hunt for some pills 570 00:23:41,855 --> 00:23:43,378 that went missing two years ago? 571 00:23:43,552 --> 00:23:44,901 We're way beyond that now, Jonah. 572 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,512 Nah, this is about what you did to April. 573 00:23:46,729 --> 00:23:48,339 What are you talking about? 574 00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:50,167 Get her vulnerable and compliant, 575 00:23:50,385 --> 00:23:53,432 assault her, and convince her it was a hallucination. 576 00:23:53,649 --> 00:23:55,477 - What are you saying, that I-- - That you raped your client? 577 00:23:55,695 --> 00:23:57,305 Yeah, that's what we're saying. - Absolutely not. 578 00:23:57,479 --> 00:23:59,612 The only question is, was it a tag-team situation 579 00:23:59,829 --> 00:24:01,614 with you and your partner? Or was it all his idea? 580 00:24:04,486 --> 00:24:06,445 I leave the session sometimes. 581 00:24:07,794 --> 00:24:10,318 I know I'm not supposed to. 582 00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:12,276 Austin-- 583 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:13,843 Austin encouraged me to take breaks. 584 00:24:14,061 --> 00:24:15,236 Sure, sure, sure, sure. 585 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:16,367 It's always the other guy, isn't it? 586 00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:17,978 I can prove it. 587 00:24:18,195 --> 00:24:20,633 I have videos, everything we sent to Serolyte. 588 00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:23,026 I've got copies. 589 00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:24,680 Have you watched them? 590 00:24:27,204 --> 00:24:30,730 Because you had a feeling you knew what was on them, 591 00:24:30,947 --> 00:24:31,687 didn't you? 592 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,784 - Let it go. - No. 593 00:24:42,002 --> 00:24:43,612 - Just relax. - No, don't touch me. 594 00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:46,093 - Shh. - No, no, no. 595 00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:49,749 I don't want... 596 00:24:52,229 --> 00:24:53,274 April, you need this. 597 00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:54,362 No. 598 00:24:54,536 --> 00:24:55,494 Please don't. 599 00:24:55,711 --> 00:24:57,844 I--I can't breathe. 600 00:24:58,061 --> 00:25:00,237 I can't breathe. No. 601 00:25:00,455 --> 00:25:02,370 Please, no, I don't want it! 602 00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:03,762 Please, stop! 603 00:25:03,763 --> 00:25:05,547 Can you open your thighs for me? 604 00:25:05,765 --> 00:25:07,723 No. Stop! 605 00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:10,160 Okay, that's enough. 606 00:25:10,378 --> 00:25:12,685 There might not be enough there to prove rape, 607 00:25:12,902 --> 00:25:15,775 but we absolutely have him on sexual assault. 608 00:25:15,992 --> 00:25:17,733 We're still going through all the videos, 609 00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:20,562 but Liv, we've already found two other women 610 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:23,522 Severson did this to. 611 00:25:23,739 --> 00:25:25,306 Get him. 612 00:25:26,873 --> 00:25:30,311 Three crisis calls this morning, all before 10:00 a.m.? 613 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,313 I think I deserve this. - Dr. Severson. 614 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:33,357 - Whoa. - Detectives, 615 00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:34,750 this isn't the best time. 616 00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:36,578 Is it ever? Get up! 617 00:25:36,796 --> 00:25:38,145 What on Earth are you doing? 618 00:25:38,362 --> 00:25:39,494 - Arresting you, Doc. - What? 619 00:25:39,668 --> 00:25:40,930 Here, enjoy that. 620 00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:42,627 You have the right to remain silent. 621 00:25:42,628 --> 00:25:43,977 Anything you say can and will be used against you. 622 00:25:49,765 --> 00:25:52,463 So I'm gonna start with the obvious question, 623 00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:55,641 which is, did you forget that you were being recorded? 624 00:25:55,858 --> 00:25:58,469 Or--or did you just not care? 625 00:26:01,081 --> 00:26:04,780 Captain, I can see how this might seem strange 626 00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:06,477 if you're not versed in this therapy. 627 00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:08,088 Mm-hmm. 628 00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:09,742 But that's what this therapy looks like. 629 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:11,047 You assaulted her. 630 00:26:11,265 --> 00:26:13,006 I comforted her. 631 00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:14,790 A person who's taken protryptamine 632 00:26:15,008 --> 00:26:16,270 needs reassurance. 633 00:26:16,487 --> 00:26:18,185 They need someone there to hold them together, 634 00:26:18,402 --> 00:26:20,274 both mentally and physically. 635 00:26:20,491 --> 00:26:21,536 I have to stop you for a second 636 00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:24,191 because you can't just sit there 637 00:26:24,408 --> 00:26:29,152 and pretend that we didn't see clearly what is on this video. 638 00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:30,589 You don't have the context. 639 00:26:30,763 --> 00:26:32,503 Are my methods unorthodox? 640 00:26:32,678 --> 00:26:34,244 Absolutely. 641 00:26:34,462 --> 00:26:36,943 But the use of touch, so long as it's non-sexual, 642 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,509 has been very effective. 643 00:26:38,684 --> 00:26:40,599 You call that there non-sexual? 644 00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:41,816 Yeah? 645 00:26:41,817 --> 00:26:43,470 Do you know what that word means? 646 00:26:43,471 --> 00:26:46,605 Nothing that has transpired between my clients and myself 647 00:26:46,779 --> 00:26:47,997 has ever been sexual. 648 00:26:48,215 --> 00:26:50,391 - Mm-hmm. - Well, not for me. 649 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:54,395 I don't derive any benefit or pleasure from these sessions. 650 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:56,745 Yeah, well, neither was she. She was in tears! 651 00:26:56,963 --> 00:27:00,053 She said "no," "stop," multiple times! 652 00:27:00,270 --> 00:27:03,665 And if I told a surgeon, "no, don't sew up that incision 653 00:27:03,883 --> 00:27:05,406 you just made," would he stop? 654 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:06,929 I think I get it. 655 00:27:07,147 --> 00:27:08,714 So what you're saying is that sometimes when 656 00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:11,586 a person is feeling vulnerable, right, 657 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,241 they just--they just wanna be held. 658 00:27:14,458 --> 00:27:15,634 Exactly. 659 00:27:15,851 --> 00:27:18,593 The level of this therapy is so intense, 660 00:27:18,767 --> 00:27:21,030 you have to experience it to understand. 661 00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:26,166 I think someone like you would benefit from it, Captain. 662 00:27:29,865 --> 00:27:32,433 Well, that is, uh, so kind of you to think of me. 663 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:34,782 Um, 664 00:27:34,783 --> 00:27:37,959 where was Dr. Catmull during all of this? 665 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,615 Uh, I don't recall exactly. He may have been on a break. 666 00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:42,835 The other two patients that got your special, 667 00:27:43,052 --> 00:27:46,142 uh, hands-on care, where was Dr. Catmull for those? 668 00:27:47,753 --> 00:27:49,102 I would have to check the videos. 669 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:50,233 He wasn't there. 670 00:27:50,451 --> 00:27:51,800 Every single time. 671 00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:58,111 Honestly, you're real smart, Doctor. 672 00:27:58,328 --> 00:28:00,330 You're smarter than me. 673 00:28:00,548 --> 00:28:03,769 You're smarter than most people who sit in that chair. 674 00:28:03,986 --> 00:28:05,596 I mean, 675 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:07,250 creating your own hunting ground 676 00:28:07,468 --> 00:28:10,340 and then hiding behind a clinical trial, 677 00:28:10,558 --> 00:28:12,778 and then having your victims sign up for it themselves. 678 00:28:12,995 --> 00:28:16,259 That is, uh-- that is brilliant. 679 00:28:16,477 --> 00:28:18,348 Regular genius. 680 00:28:18,566 --> 00:28:20,568 But you're no different 681 00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:23,440 than every other predator. 682 00:28:23,658 --> 00:28:24,746 You know that. 683 00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:28,271 And now everyone else will, too, 684 00:28:28,489 --> 00:28:31,231 because we have it all on video. 685 00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:38,281 Captain Curry. 686 00:28:38,499 --> 00:28:41,110 Executive Officer. Look at you, rising the ranks. 687 00:28:41,328 --> 00:28:42,808 - Thanks, Chief. - Here for CompStat? 688 00:28:43,025 --> 00:28:43,983 Yeah, my first one. 689 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,419 Better not be late. 690 00:28:45,636 --> 00:28:47,290 Hey, I'll catch up with you. 691 00:28:47,508 --> 00:28:48,814 Griff. 692 00:28:49,031 --> 00:28:50,598 Hey, Captain. 693 00:28:50,772 --> 00:28:52,426 Wow, you're all dressed up. 694 00:28:52,643 --> 00:28:53,819 Yeah, well, CompStat meeting, 695 00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:56,125 so I had to drag this thing out. 696 00:28:56,343 --> 00:28:58,693 Little, uh, field trip to the records room? 697 00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:00,259 Uh, yeah. 698 00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:01,827 Yeah, Cap asked me to pull some old case files. 699 00:29:02,044 --> 00:29:03,480 Thinks we might have a repeat offender. 700 00:29:03,698 --> 00:29:04,743 Hmm. 701 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,092 I didn't hear anything about that. 702 00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:07,441 Yeah. 703 00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:08,572 Well, hey, we miss you up there. 704 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:09,660 I gotta go. 705 00:29:14,404 --> 00:29:17,451 Hey, I just arraigned Severson, and-- 706 00:29:17,668 --> 00:29:18,757 you're not gonna believe this, 707 00:29:18,974 --> 00:29:19,801 but he pled to the entire indictment. 708 00:29:20,019 --> 00:29:20,975 You're kidding. 709 00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:22,630 The judge gave him 15 years. 710 00:29:22,804 --> 00:29:25,154 For three rapes? 711 00:29:25,372 --> 00:29:26,765 Look, Amanda, I'm not upset about this, 712 00:29:26,939 --> 00:29:28,331 and you shouldn't be either. 713 00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:30,769 This case in no way was gonna be a slam dunk. 714 00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:32,639 The video was inconclusive. 715 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,251 Even if April and the other two victims were ready to testify, 716 00:29:35,469 --> 00:29:37,819 they were in an experimental treatment program. 717 00:29:38,037 --> 00:29:39,647 That was always gonna be tricky with the jury. 718 00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:41,431 To be honest, I'm surprised this lawyer 719 00:29:41,649 --> 00:29:42,867 didn't wanna go to trial. 720 00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:45,131 Oh, my God, he's protecting his study. 721 00:29:46,306 --> 00:29:48,089 - From what? - Scrutiny. 722 00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:51,093 Look, Severson is a creep. 723 00:29:51,311 --> 00:29:52,965 He's a predator. 724 00:29:53,182 --> 00:29:55,489 But he is a true believer in his therapy. 725 00:29:55,706 --> 00:29:57,273 He'll take the hit so his company doesn't. 726 00:29:57,491 --> 00:29:58,971 And Serolyte had all the videos of Severson. 727 00:29:59,188 --> 00:30:00,755 They knew what he was doing. 728 00:30:00,929 --> 00:30:02,583 And they did nothing? 729 00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,803 And it's despicable, but unfortunately, 730 00:30:04,977 --> 00:30:06,065 they don't have a duty to report-- 731 00:30:06,282 --> 00:30:07,153 So they get off on a technicality? 732 00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:08,719 Come on. 733 00:30:10,634 --> 00:30:12,332 Don't--don't look at me like that, all right? 734 00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:14,160 For once, I'd like to be able to stay within my jurisdiction 735 00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:15,335 when it comes to you, Liv. 736 00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:28,000 We can't charge Serolyte criminally. 737 00:30:28,217 --> 00:30:30,002 But we can try to shut 'em down. 738 00:30:37,879 --> 00:30:40,360 Sonny, gotta say, shutting down 739 00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:43,406 an entire corporation because of one bad apple 740 00:30:43,624 --> 00:30:45,060 doesn't sit well with me. 741 00:30:45,278 --> 00:30:46,496 Serolyte seems to be getting some good results 742 00:30:46,714 --> 00:30:47,976 out of this drug. 743 00:30:48,194 --> 00:30:49,848 Well, I have no issue with protryptamine, 744 00:30:50,022 --> 00:30:51,893 psychedelics in general, when they're handled appropriately. 745 00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:54,591 But what I do have an issue with is poor oversight 746 00:30:54,809 --> 00:30:57,551 and not paying attention when a doctor assaults his patients. 747 00:30:57,768 --> 00:30:59,291 And that man is going to prison. 748 00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:01,685 But that does nothing to solve the underlying issue. 749 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,687 Look, their complete lack of oversight 750 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,733 has created the perfect conditions 751 00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:07,169 for this to happen again with another doctor. 752 00:31:07,387 --> 00:31:09,345 I'm not saying we don't take a look. 753 00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:10,912 But shutting down the company could 754 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:12,392 shut down the entire pursuit of this treatment. 755 00:31:12,609 --> 00:31:13,872 But if you do nothing, then patients 756 00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:15,003 are gonna stay vulnerable. 757 00:31:17,049 --> 00:31:19,790 Look, listen, how about this? 758 00:31:22,445 --> 00:31:24,926 Cross-designate me. 759 00:31:25,144 --> 00:31:26,928 Let me take it on. 760 00:31:36,546 --> 00:31:38,984 She said both doctors would be in the room at all times, 761 00:31:39,201 --> 00:31:41,160 for my protection and theirs. 762 00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:42,769 And did Ms. Fuentes have you sign 763 00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:45,338 a consent form for your sessions to be recorded? 764 00:31:45,555 --> 00:31:47,252 I did. 765 00:31:47,253 --> 00:31:49,777 They said it was for the study, and no one else would see them. 766 00:31:49,951 --> 00:31:51,822 And I'm assuming that you did not consent 767 00:31:51,997 --> 00:31:54,521 to either doctor lying under a blanket with you 768 00:31:54,738 --> 00:31:56,175 and touching your body. 769 00:31:56,392 --> 00:31:58,177 No, absolutely not. 770 00:31:58,394 --> 00:32:01,223 And did Ms. Fuentes or anyone else 771 00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:03,965 from Serolyte Pharmaceuticals ever reach out to you 772 00:32:04,183 --> 00:32:06,446 about what was on your recorded video sessions? 773 00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:07,837 No. 774 00:32:07,838 --> 00:32:09,405 Even after Dr. Severson was arrested 775 00:32:09,623 --> 00:32:10,841 for sexually assaulting you? 776 00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:12,104 Not a word. 777 00:32:12,321 --> 00:32:13,540 Thank you, Ms. Deieso. 778 00:32:13,757 --> 00:32:14,889 No further questions, Your Honor. 779 00:32:15,063 --> 00:32:16,586 Ms. Rettstadt, your witness. 780 00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:18,806 Ms. Deieso, 781 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,722 what you endured at the hands of Dr. Severson 782 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,244 was reprehensible. 783 00:32:23,245 --> 00:32:24,507 And I don't wanna put you through a long list 784 00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:25,900 of questions, so I'll be quick, all right? 785 00:32:26,074 --> 00:32:27,336 Okay. 786 00:32:27,554 --> 00:32:29,295 I really just have one. 787 00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:31,210 Did this therapy help you? 788 00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:35,954 I don't know how-- 789 00:32:36,128 --> 00:32:39,348 I was assaulted. 790 00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:40,349 Raped. 791 00:32:40,567 --> 00:32:42,090 I know. 792 00:32:42,308 --> 00:32:43,962 But that's not what I'm asking. 793 00:32:44,179 --> 00:32:46,355 You had been treated for PTSD. 794 00:32:46,573 --> 00:32:48,140 Is that still your diagnosis? 795 00:32:48,357 --> 00:32:49,706 - He's a monster. - I don't disagree. 796 00:32:49,924 --> 00:32:51,403 He is. 797 00:32:51,404 --> 00:32:54,842 And according to your post-clinical trial follow-up, 798 00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:58,802 your PTSD is, medically speaking, no longer present. 799 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,326 So I'll ask again. 800 00:33:00,543 --> 00:33:02,850 Did it help you? 801 00:33:09,204 --> 00:33:14,079 When I wake up at night, I feel like I'm being choked. 802 00:33:14,296 --> 00:33:15,689 I feel hands on me. 803 00:33:15,906 --> 00:33:19,736 Feel him on top of me over a year later. 804 00:33:19,954 --> 00:33:21,477 I think about what would have happened 805 00:33:21,695 --> 00:33:23,175 if Dr. Severson hadn't done this to me, 806 00:33:23,392 --> 00:33:25,351 what that life would have been like. 807 00:33:25,568 --> 00:33:28,702 I'll never know. 808 00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:32,532 I just don't want what happened to me to happen to anyone else. 809 00:33:41,671 --> 00:33:44,631 Ms. Fuentes, your company has safeguards in place 810 00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:46,415 to prevent sexual abuse, correct? 811 00:33:46,633 --> 00:33:47,894 Yes, we do. 812 00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:50,289 For example, you require two therapists 813 00:33:50,506 --> 00:33:53,379 to be present for the entire duration of every session. 814 00:33:53,596 --> 00:33:54,814 Correct. 815 00:33:54,815 --> 00:33:55,729 And you also require that each session 816 00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:56,947 be recorded on video. 817 00:33:57,122 --> 00:33:58,818 Yes. 818 00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:01,822 But that didn't really stop Dr. Severson, though, did it? 819 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,391 We were horrified by his criminal actions. 820 00:34:05,608 --> 00:34:07,915 But to say that one bad actor is indicative 821 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:10,439 of our entire company is false. 822 00:34:10,657 --> 00:34:12,485 Right, because you know for certain that 823 00:34:12,702 --> 00:34:14,487 there was only one bad actor. 824 00:34:14,704 --> 00:34:15,966 You got the videos, right? 825 00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:17,925 So if anything inappropriate had happened, 826 00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:19,579 well, you would have seen that. 827 00:34:22,277 --> 00:34:26,325 You do record every session, don't you, Dr. Fuentes? 828 00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:27,717 Yes. 829 00:34:27,935 --> 00:34:29,719 And have you ever seen a therapist 830 00:34:29,937 --> 00:34:31,417 leave a session when they weren't supposed to? 831 00:34:31,634 --> 00:34:32,896 I never saw that. 832 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:34,376 No? In all those videos? 833 00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:36,030 That's astonishing. 834 00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:38,206 I mean, how many hours would you say there are? 835 00:34:38,424 --> 00:34:40,208 There's gotta be thousands. - Yes. 836 00:34:40,426 --> 00:34:42,036 And approximately how many hours of those sessions 837 00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:43,429 did you watch? 838 00:34:44,952 --> 00:34:47,215 I haven't had an opportunity to review. 839 00:34:47,433 --> 00:34:48,999 You never watch the videos 840 00:34:49,174 --> 00:34:50,914 that you require for the purpose 841 00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:52,220 of protecting your patients? 842 00:34:52,438 --> 00:34:54,353 Me, personally? No. 843 00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:56,572 Okay, not personally, but who does? 844 00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:58,313 You have to understand. 845 00:34:58,531 --> 00:35:00,272 We keep the videos as records. 846 00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:01,708 We simply don't have the manpower 847 00:35:01,925 --> 00:35:03,188 to review that much footage. 848 00:35:03,405 --> 00:35:05,277 We're a research-focused entity. 849 00:35:05,494 --> 00:35:06,800 Whose primary purpose should have been 850 00:35:07,017 --> 00:35:09,672 to keep your patients safe. 851 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:11,718 And if you had done your job, 852 00:35:11,935 --> 00:35:14,155 then you would have seen three women, 853 00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:16,418 the very people that you were supposed to protect, 854 00:35:16,636 --> 00:35:17,985 be assaulted by one of your doctors. 855 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:19,508 Isn't that true? 856 00:35:21,684 --> 00:35:23,947 Yes. 857 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,950 Nothing further. 858 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:28,691 Ms. Fuentes, you may step down. 859 00:35:33,261 --> 00:35:34,871 Both counsel, approach. 860 00:35:44,838 --> 00:35:47,493 Ms. Rettstadt, if things keep going the way they're going, 861 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:49,277 I'm inclined to rule in favor 862 00:35:49,495 --> 00:35:50,583 of the attorney general's office. 863 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,801 Your Honor, I-- 864 00:35:52,019 --> 00:35:53,586 However, I also understand 865 00:35:53,803 --> 00:35:55,762 that Serolyte Pharmaceuticals 866 00:35:55,979 --> 00:35:59,157 is at the forefront of a breakthrough medication 867 00:35:59,374 --> 00:36:01,681 that has the potential to change the face 868 00:36:01,898 --> 00:36:03,639 of mental health treatment, 869 00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:06,076 perhaps under the right leadership-- 870 00:36:06,251 --> 00:36:07,381 Hold on, Your Honor. 871 00:36:07,382 --> 00:36:08,905 The Serolyte board would not object 872 00:36:09,123 --> 00:36:10,516 to removing Ms. Fuentes from her position 873 00:36:10,733 --> 00:36:12,605 as CEO, Your Honor. 874 00:36:12,822 --> 00:36:15,651 In that case, I'd be inclined to deny the attorney general's 875 00:36:15,869 --> 00:36:17,436 application to shut them down. 876 00:36:17,653 --> 00:36:19,525 Your Honor, respectfully, I disagree. 877 00:36:19,742 --> 00:36:21,483 Three women have been victimized on Serolyte's watch. 878 00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:24,182 Victimized by Dr. Severson, who's out of the picture. 879 00:36:24,356 --> 00:36:27,141 Did SVU find any other instances 880 00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:29,143 of therapists abusing patients? 881 00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:30,491 No, they did not. 882 00:36:30,492 --> 00:36:32,538 But the potential for abuse is there. 883 00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:35,497 And unless we shut them down until real changes are made, 884 00:36:35,715 --> 00:36:36,845 it'll stay there. 885 00:36:36,846 --> 00:36:38,848 I admire your passion, Mr. Carisi, 886 00:36:39,066 --> 00:36:41,416 but I don't think you've made your case. 887 00:36:41,634 --> 00:36:43,375 You're welcome to take an appeal. 888 00:36:43,592 --> 00:36:44,332 Step back. 889 00:36:55,517 --> 00:36:57,867 Well, you went down swinging, Sonny. 890 00:36:58,085 --> 00:36:59,390 I'll give you that. 891 00:36:59,391 --> 00:37:01,871 Yeah, well, thanks for a spot on the team. 892 00:37:02,089 --> 00:37:04,483 - Any time. - Take care. 893 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,268 Well, you warned me that we were punching above our weight. 894 00:37:07,486 --> 00:37:09,138 Yeah, I did. 895 00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:12,969 So you're not gonna give me the "I told you so" speech? 896 00:37:16,059 --> 00:37:20,716 When I was a kid, my mom had an abortion. 897 00:37:20,934 --> 00:37:22,152 Nearly killed her Catholic heart, 898 00:37:22,327 --> 00:37:23,241 but the baby would have been born 899 00:37:23,458 --> 00:37:25,068 with all kinds of problems. 900 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:28,463 All this information came out about this antidepressant 901 00:37:28,681 --> 00:37:30,770 that she was using off and on. 902 00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:33,425 And I remember this fancy lawyer, he came to our house, 903 00:37:33,642 --> 00:37:37,211 and he wanted her to join a class-action lawsuit. 904 00:37:37,385 --> 00:37:39,474 He told us that hundreds of babies 905 00:37:39,692 --> 00:37:42,390 had been born with birth defects because of that drug. 906 00:37:42,608 --> 00:37:44,305 What did she do? 907 00:37:44,523 --> 00:37:47,047 The class action was denied certification. 908 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:48,701 Case never went to trial. 909 00:37:48,918 --> 00:37:51,007 My mom, she--she couldn't afford to file 910 00:37:51,225 --> 00:37:54,184 an individual claim, so-- 911 00:37:54,359 --> 00:37:56,274 so that was that. 912 00:37:59,364 --> 00:38:02,845 Carisi, Severson is behind bars. 913 00:38:03,063 --> 00:38:06,762 Removing Fuentes is definitely gonna shake things up. 914 00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:09,722 You didn't really lose this case today. 915 00:38:10,853 --> 00:38:13,421 Look at you with the pep talk. 916 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,163 Usually I'm the one telling you that we did all we could. 917 00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:18,165 Well, people change. 918 00:38:28,523 --> 00:38:29,698 What's this? 919 00:38:29,916 --> 00:38:32,527 A few files that you missed. 920 00:38:32,745 --> 00:38:34,268 This one was a killer. 921 00:38:34,442 --> 00:38:37,010 So the witness turned out to be a fabulist, 922 00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:38,968 just makes up a whole bunch of details, 923 00:38:39,186 --> 00:38:41,797 and then--and then the whole case fell apart at trial. 924 00:38:42,015 --> 00:38:43,408 Captain, I can explain what's going-- 925 00:38:43,625 --> 00:38:46,106 I don't know why you're pulling my old cases. 926 00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:49,196 I suspect it's because somebody told you to. 927 00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:51,154 So you go ahead, Griff. 928 00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:54,244 You look into anything you want. 929 00:38:54,419 --> 00:38:56,899 Because I don't have any secrets. 930 00:38:57,117 --> 00:38:58,814 And whatever mistakes I've made--and I'm sure 931 00:38:59,032 --> 00:39:02,209 there have been a ton-- 932 00:39:02,383 --> 00:39:04,037 I stand by. 933 00:39:06,082 --> 00:39:07,170 Wait. 934 00:39:08,911 --> 00:39:10,304 Look at this. 935 00:39:10,478 --> 00:39:12,524 What is that? 936 00:39:12,741 --> 00:39:16,963 It's from a shooting in a bar in the Upper West Side in 2001. 937 00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:18,355 Look at it. 938 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:21,141 Involving a Lieutenant Jimmy Griffin. 939 00:39:24,927 --> 00:39:26,886 And Detective Kathryn Tynan. 940 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:32,021 Yeah, you're right, I was tasked into looking 941 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,981 into your old cases, okay? 942 00:39:35,198 --> 00:39:38,506 And I used that as cover to dig that up. 943 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,209 What are you planning on doing with this, Griff? 944 00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:52,085 I'm gonna find out the truth. 945 00:39:52,302 --> 00:39:54,392 And I'm gonna give that to the commissioner. 946 00:39:56,524 --> 00:40:00,441 I--I don't care what happens to me. 947 00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:04,924 I don't care what happens to my dad's legacy after this. 948 00:40:05,141 --> 00:40:08,101 Legacy--like, what the hell does that even mean? 949 00:40:11,191 --> 00:40:13,149 Tynan--I mean, you know this. 950 00:40:13,367 --> 00:40:15,238 Tynan--she's been there for me... 951 00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:20,635 Through some very hard times, okay? 952 00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:27,076 I--I cannot take any of this anymore. 953 00:40:29,209 --> 00:40:32,212 I gotta know. I gotta know the truth. 954 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,084 This is gonna blow everything up. 955 00:40:41,917 --> 00:40:43,397 Are you ready for that? 956 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,272 No. 957 00:40:52,406 --> 00:40:54,364 Are you?