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We had to prune this tree.
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Its leaves were devouring our light.
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I embarked on a series of trips,
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filming here and there,
faces and words,
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museums, rivers and art.
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I listened to the people who
I found it perhaps by chance,
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AGNES VARDA
FROM HERE TO THERE
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especially artists
whose work I like.
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When I returned from my
first trip,
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there were already new shoots
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I traveled, by train or plane
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filming in each city,
not to make a report,
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but to capture fragments,
moments, people.
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The tree was reborn.
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I went and came back.
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Jean-Baptiste and I edited
images and sounds that I gathered.
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But well before I completed
my travels and my work,
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which lasted well over a year,
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the tree,
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with shoots and leaves
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had reconstituted its foliage
in less than three months.
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We see the process here
in less than two minutes.
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Those who see these chronicles
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they will see them for many days.
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This series films and leaves,
so to speak.
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In this episode we go to Brazil,
Brussels, Stockholm and Venice.
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Let's find the art critic
Obrist and the painter Barceló.
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When we go too far,
our shadow is on the ground.
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This time it's in Brazil
that I will play filmmaker.
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It is not after-sales service.
We follow our films
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and we took the opportunity to see
the country.
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The country and people who
they want to welcome us.
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I'm really welcome,
in Rio, by Fabiano Canosa,
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the Brazilian from New York,
and Joel Pizzini, local filmmaker.
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Joel's partner is Paloma Rocha,
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daughter of Glauber, the filmmaker.
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And also the singer Paulo Tasser
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Bossa nova.
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Rio de Janeiro.
The famous Sugarloaf Mountain.
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I think about Mom, who used to
add sugar
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in the rest of the bread.
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From my room in Ipanema,
I can see the beach.
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Here, at 7 o'clock in the morning.
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And at noon.
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A little further
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is the famous Copacabana beach.
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We drank delicious coconut water.
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My son Mathieu is here,
He came as Mathieu Demy, actor.
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Jeanne Moreau is here too,
and others.
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Look at these birds!
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And me, to the festival
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of cinema in Rio.
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Fabiano, who programs films for
the New York Public Theater,
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returned to the country.
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Here is the villa of Villa Lobos,
a center for music and exchange.
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Now I dedicate my time
doing retrospectives
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about Brazilians
who I love
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and I admire.
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Villa Lobos, the greatest classical composer.
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In my opinion, the true genius
Brazilian of the century was Villa-Lobos.
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and also Glauber Rocha,
who was my brother. A magnificent guy.
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The filmmaker became known
with a political, baroque film,
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Black God, White Devil
(God and the Devil in the Land of the Sun)
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Not with a rosary, Satan,
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it's with the rifle and dagger.
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Lie, lie, lie!
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Lies!
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Didn't you say he was
big only in your head?
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Virgulino was great,
but he made himself small.
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Lie!
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Paloma cope
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with the restoration and
distribution of his father's films.
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My children know this.
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The filmmaker's house is a place
of cinephilia and memory.
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We can see, perhaps,
Glauber's mother there, below
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and his sister Ana Lúcia.
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We watch the movies,
like Antonio Das Mortes,
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who impressed
the jurors of the Cannes festival.
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Glauber represented the
"Cinema Novo", the New Wave...
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in Brazil, between documentary
social and imaginary baroque.
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Jacque and I met him
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when we discovered Brazil
and his music.
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We went to Ouro Preto,
in the state of Minas Gerais.
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Jacques had a small camera,
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that was lost.
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He, the filmmaker
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of the winding planes,
He only filmed fixed shots.
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We dream in this city
enriched by miners.
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And I took the photographs.
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Forty years later,
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I left for Fortaleza.
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Beatriz Furtado made me cum
to find students
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from the art school she runs.
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To salute them, I film them.
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Here is the beautiful Beatriz.
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And this other teacher
It's very beautiful.
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That scene from "Glaneurs"
when I catch the trucks
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enchanted them.
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They often tell me about this
wherever I go.
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Questions, answers.
I watch your films.
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So they take me to
an old covered market
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and they throw me a party.
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Also on the fishermen's beach
they wished me good health.
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Songs, percussions.
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Lobsters, rice,
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fish, on the edge of another beach,
called Praia do Futuro.
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My new friends organized
a farewell meal.
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Beatrice offered me
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a white coat.
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I gave you
Calissons d'Aix and DVDs,
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for her and for Paula,
who gave me his CD.
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These two women are incredible.
Together we went to the market.
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It's cashew: we do it
a lot of juice, and we ate
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cashew brown.
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This is soursop.
It's white inside.
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We do everything with it:
Juice, ice cream...
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Let's go to the hardware store
Market: it is often
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where we find things
to buy.
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I see the figurines.
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The explanations begin.
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It's Pomba Gira.
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A saint
or a protective goddess.
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We offer you champagne,
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cookies, perfume...
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Red roses, so I can
place an order...
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We ask to find work,
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resolve a conflict,
bring back the fickle husband...
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It's a lot of hope,
for the equivalent of 5 euros.
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I had to return via Rio.
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Fabiano took me to the Museum
of Contemporary Art, in Niterói,
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a kind of flying saucer
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which follows the curves of Sugarloaf Mountain,
designed by Oscar Niemeyer.
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Is he still alive?
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He's still alive. He is 102 years old.
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He recently got married,
5 or 6 years ago.
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He comes to your office every day
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take care of business.
As he always did.
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Business as usual.
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I discover Brazilian artists.
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Antonio Dias and his diptych
For Me For You.
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Luis Ernesto, a play
from his Aquarius series.
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Antonio Manuel.
I will say the title in French
from your series:
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Repression Once Again,
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dated 1968.
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This chair by Guido Meireles
reminds me of Magrite's.
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And this one, by Raoul Mourão,
caged, intrigues me.
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I think about some chairs
in my life.
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Ionesco's chairs,
that I photographed in the 50s.
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Tsilla Chelton and Jacques Mauclair
They waited for guests who never arrived.
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The chair that Vilar sat on
willingly.
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This is by Pierre Etaix,
Father-Lachaise.
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And that chair.
One of my first photographs.
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Here are the office chairs that were
stacked by Michel de Broin,
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facing inward in a meeting
of the administrative board.
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It's an igloo of hidden deals.
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From many to few,
Van Gogh's poor chair.
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And an armchair.
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Two intertwined chairs
by Niki de Saint Phalle.
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Paired armchairs on a beach. Oh, how
these two words sound. Couple, beach.
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Magritte and his chair.
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A very light one:
Threatening Weather.
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A very heavy one:
The Chair.
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Quick, a train! We must not lose
the opening of the Magritte Museum,
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Place Royale, in Brussels.
There is a preview of a video.
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This is Charly Herscovici who created
the Magritte Foundation.
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He is the holder of labor rights
of the man in the bowler hat.
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Your collection is the heart
of this museum. Hey there.
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It's a party.
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And it's violinist Michael Guttman
who is playing.
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The reception is at the Museum of
Fine Arts.
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Among the guests,
is the collector Walter Vanhaerents.
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He is protected by the Red Man,
by Katharina Fritsch
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in this old factory that houses
its large collection, open to the public.
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In the background, an image of the
work by Thomas Demand
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and a McDonald minimarket,
reinvented by Tom Sachs.
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A suspended piece, by Jason Rhoades.
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A play by Markus Schinwald.
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A man and a woman separated
through a wall.
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I didn't have the camcorder with me but
I need to know that the man nervously twists his right foot.
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The woman doesn't move.
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Near a long collage by Rondinone,
a chair by Urs Fischer.
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It's your shadow that's giant.
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Like the group of giants,
created by David Altmejd,
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a recent collector's acquisition.
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Walter is happy. The artist too.
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That's when I started building them,
that everything made sense.
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What? A warrior?
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A warrior, yes.
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And the arm fell.
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And that's it, here are the new ones
residents of the Vanhaerent house.
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When I was little,
I went to Jardim Botânico park.
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Now it is a cultural center.
It is also a museum.
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In 2009, Alechinsky
occupied the large gallery.
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It was an exhibition
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important of which I show
some paintings.
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Graphics and fantasy.
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We look smiling,
kind of dreaming.
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On the other side of what remains of the
Botanical Garden, the painter invited
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another artist:
Kikie Crevecoeur.
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It engraves 10 cm² erasers.
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then make impressions.
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Every little square
It's a gum print.
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The rubber was carved.
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For this great piece, where there is
7 or 8 thousand different impressions,
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there must be a hundred
of different rubbers.
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What was the idea behind that?
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When you're on a highway
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and you see the trees passing by
next to the road
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they look like little
barcodes.
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I wish the barcodes
were that beautiful!
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For your diary, every day, Kikie
carves a rubber with a design,
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the date and some code words.
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It prints these mini pages
from your notebook, enlarged here.
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From rubber to linoleum. This time,
This piece is a linocut.
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It's a fresco of trees.
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First I drew,
then carved in linoleum
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How nature could inspire me,
without representing it.
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I made them separately.
It took me a year to do.
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The images,
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Sometimes there is a
rupture, but often,
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the connections are in order
unconscious.
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I can mix them.
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Every time we show them,
I do it in a different order.
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I edited them into postcards.
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If we send postcards,
do we break the series?
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There are countless possibilities.
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I'll send Kiki a postcard
tourist.
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Notice, this city has the air
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from an oriental pastry shop,
but it's Stockholm.
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They wait for me.
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Frédéric Strauss, whom I met
at "Cahiers du Cinéma",
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and Marie Booberg,
from "Folkets Bio".
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In the taxi through the city,
They tell me about Ingmar Bergman.
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They showed me the theater,
where he worked while not filming.
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and in that building, there,
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where they were auctioned and dispersed
the filmmaker's assets,
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the day before my arrival.
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Marie is still shaken by this,
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like all movie people.
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My hotel room pleases me
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with 3 windows overlooking the port.
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Maria brings me the sale catalogue.
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I watched the plays.
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It was strange, like an event,
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I'll tell you.
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There were many things
very personal, very simple
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but also the exception objects,
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like the game of chess...
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- The chess game from the movie...
- The Seventh Seal.
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The real one, yes.
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And it was
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one of the most sought after objects,
Of course.
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Who bought it?
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Nobody knows who bought what.
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Buyers had numbers.
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It happened mainly over the phone.
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Most objects
ended up abroad.
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Prices are in crowns.
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They sold everything.
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The bed, the quilt...
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Your beautiful Eames armchair.
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And many houses
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on Faro Island,
including the one where he lived.
264
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The house is called "Hammarts".
And by the sea.
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And the cars.
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The chairs. A piano.
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The little manufactured things
for your grandchildren...
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Oh... made by grandchildren!
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Was the family there?
Your children.
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I didn't see them,
but I read it later
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that one of your daughters
was present.
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Maybe not in the sales room.
273
00:23:22,514 --> 00:23:25,965
It looks like your son Daniel
was there too,
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but I didn't see them.
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They must have been behind.
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At night, I rethought about this sale
and in Bergman's children,
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the close ones, the less close ones.
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What they thought and felt
of this testamentary decision?
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Did any of them buy it back
your bedroom closet?
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the one whose door creaked a little?
281
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Or your armchair?
Or your little tin jug?
282
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Hello. Good morning.
283
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In my hotel room
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arrives the journalist from
"film and TV" magazine.
285
00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:15,123
I was told that she
speaks English and French.
286
00:24:15,508 --> 00:24:19,207
I'm Christina,
journalist from Stockholm.
287
00:24:19,594 --> 00:24:22,926
And I also love making films.
288
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I'm a little curious...
289
00:24:29,059 --> 00:24:33,600
I hesitate to ask, but
Have you been sick?
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00:24:33,978 --> 00:24:36,978
No, I wasn't sick.
291
00:24:37,355 --> 00:24:41,054
- Is it a punk hairstyle?
- No.
292
00:24:41,984 --> 00:24:43,228
What happened?
293
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My hair just fell out.
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In two months
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I went bald.
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I'm 43 years old,
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00:24:52,366 --> 00:24:55,698
never happened to me
before. They fell.
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When we breastfeed our children
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sometimes we lose our hair.
It's quite common.
300
00:25:02,664 --> 00:25:04,620
At certain moments in life...
301
00:25:04,874 --> 00:25:07,115
- Do you have children?
- Yes, two.
302
00:25:08,168 --> 00:25:09,329
But this is recent.
303
00:25:09,836 --> 00:25:13,120
And no one can truly
explain.
304
00:25:14,171 --> 00:25:16,413
The disease is called alopecia.
305
00:25:16,798 --> 00:25:21,209
Sometimes the body rebels
against anything.
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00:25:21,468 --> 00:25:23,210
The hair, in my case.
307
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:27,968
Two, three years before that,
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00:25:28,347 --> 00:25:32,675
I experienced the shocks,
two or three times.
309
00:25:33,058 --> 00:25:35,928
They were very difficult years,
310
00:25:36,311 --> 00:25:40,686
because it was a change
In my life, I got divorced...
311
00:25:41,065 --> 00:25:44,930
If all divorced women
lost their hair,
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00:25:45,317 --> 00:25:49,183
there would only be bald spots.
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00:25:49,778 --> 00:25:53,560
There are so many women
how many men
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00:25:53,823 --> 00:25:55,482
affected by this disease.
315
00:25:55,741 --> 00:25:58,361
But women wear wigs.
316
00:25:59,409 --> 00:26:01,817
And do you dare live without?
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00:26:02,203 --> 00:26:04,954
Try on lots of wigs
to see.
318
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:08,449
It's a question of identity.
319
00:26:08,707 --> 00:26:11,791
My identity was… new.
320
00:26:15,086 --> 00:26:17,161
I have a love and he
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00:26:17,547 --> 00:26:19,585
he is so important.
322
00:26:19,964 --> 00:26:22,420
And when this happened,
323
00:26:24,343 --> 00:26:27,426
I panicked. I was...
324
00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:30,886
The worst, for me,
325
00:26:31,263 --> 00:26:35,390
it was the feeling of not knowing
326
00:26:35,766 --> 00:26:39,217
if he would stay with me.
327
00:26:39,603 --> 00:26:45,474
Your love is chief-operator and
together they made a film
328
00:26:45,857 --> 00:26:50,399
about the importance of hair
in the appearance of a face.
329
00:27:21,547 --> 00:27:23,456
Christina looks at herself.
330
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,465
She tries to understand how
gold looked at her.
331
00:27:30,386 --> 00:27:34,596
She watched with intensity
hair and hairstyles.
332
00:27:41,602 --> 00:27:48,101
Then he discovered that, in fact,
She was successful that way.
333
00:27:48,482 --> 00:27:51,647
And she goes happy and alone,
334
00:27:52,026 --> 00:27:58,062
until she finds another woman,
bald, like her.
335
00:27:58,446 --> 00:28:01,779
In two, they are the company.
336
00:28:02,157 --> 00:28:06,284
So it's a whole group.
337
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:10,158
Thank you Christina,
allowed me to lend
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00:28:10,538 --> 00:28:13,870
pieces of its history and
of your film.
339
00:28:14,248 --> 00:28:15,363
You are unique.
340
00:28:15,749 --> 00:28:17,788
But it's relative.
341
00:28:23,463 --> 00:28:27,375
She tells me she tries to do
documentaries,
342
00:28:27,758 --> 00:28:32,085
but that she must earn her living:
So he is a journalist.
343
00:28:34,762 --> 00:28:38,260
It was my turn to sit down
on the canapé.
344
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,588
A photograph was taken
and the entertainment began.
345
00:28:42,975 --> 00:28:47,186
And another photograph,
for a magazine.
346
00:28:47,770 --> 00:28:52,596
Maria organized
the launch of my "Beaches".
347
00:28:52,983 --> 00:28:58,437
Promoters offered
surprise bags.
348
00:29:01,238 --> 00:29:06,147
I remember the meal,
warm welcome at the embassy.
349
00:29:13,078 --> 00:29:18,617
Maria and Fred accompanied me
and made some confidences.
350
00:29:19,083 --> 00:29:21,205
We met again in Cannes.
351
00:29:21,460 --> 00:29:22,870
That year,
352
00:29:23,127 --> 00:29:26,127
The Man Without a Past
was in the competition.
353
00:29:26,379 --> 00:29:28,869
I am the distributor of the film.
354
00:29:29,131 --> 00:29:31,123
We met at the party.
355
00:29:31,382 --> 00:29:35,081
I was invited because
I wrote about his films.
356
00:29:35,469 --> 00:29:40,011
Afterwards, we didn't see each other again.
I went to Paris, she to Stockholm.
357
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:42,013
Almost a year later
358
00:29:42,390 --> 00:29:46,303
I sent you an email
as Cannes approached.
359
00:29:46,684 --> 00:29:50,182
I thought about her all the time
this time and...
360
00:29:50,562 --> 00:29:53,645
You changed your life before
to review it?
361
00:29:54,022 --> 00:29:57,438
I have truly changed,
after having reviewed it.
362
00:29:57,942 --> 00:29:59,021
I changed my life.
363
00:29:59,276 --> 00:30:02,027
Before or after have it reviewed.
364
00:30:02,612 --> 00:30:03,892
After.
365
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:08,323
My feelings were too strong
to be ignored.
366
00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:10,700
You have to enjoy the moment.
367
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,702
I love when you say: Very strong
to be ignored.
368
00:30:13,702 --> 00:30:15,113
That's how we feel.
369
00:30:15,495 --> 00:30:18,993
It's too strong to let go.
370
00:30:22,792 --> 00:30:25,198
Seventh heaven to them,
I hope.
371
00:30:25,585 --> 00:30:26,699
Full heaven for me.
372
00:30:28,003 --> 00:30:32,912
A sky by the painter Canaletto, the
Grand Canal in Venice and Vivaldi.
373
00:30:42,762 --> 00:30:46,546
Classic tourism:
The Grand Canal and Vivaldi.
374
00:30:46,932 --> 00:30:51,842
I can't help but want to see you again
these places of great tourism.
375
00:31:22,748 --> 00:31:28,784
In 2003, Hans Ulrich Obrist, with
Molly Nesbit and Rirkrit Tiravanija,
376
00:31:29,168 --> 00:31:33,212
created a project called
"Utopia Station".
377
00:31:33,588 --> 00:31:37,834
Hans invited me to join
to other artists.
378
00:31:38,216 --> 00:31:40,540
Each had a poster
379
00:31:40,926 --> 00:31:42,336
and a work.
380
00:31:42,719 --> 00:31:45,174
How to describe Hans Ulrich?
381
00:31:45,554 --> 00:31:48,719
Globe-trotter.
Deterrent of contemporary art.
382
00:31:49,099 --> 00:31:54,339
Follow him, listen to him talk about
your projects, your initiatives.
383
00:31:54,727 --> 00:31:58,558
He is the co-director of Galeria
Serpentine, London.
384
00:31:58,938 --> 00:32:01,642
There are ephemeral pavilions.
385
00:32:02,024 --> 00:32:04,394
This one, from SANAA
386
00:32:04,776 --> 00:32:07,859
It's like a reflection
of the world,
387
00:32:08,236 --> 00:32:12,980
and his reflections,
It is a disorder factor.
388
00:32:13,364 --> 00:32:17,776
Hans drives to Agnès b. The big one
magazine in the form of a poster...
389
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:19,866
"Point of Irony".
390
00:32:20,244 --> 00:32:25,154
Parreno and Rirkrit see Hans
like a ventriloquist puppet.
391
00:32:25,539 --> 00:32:28,243
And I filmed it silently.
392
00:32:28,625 --> 00:32:33,747
How crazy. He speaks so well.
In fact, he is Swiss.
393
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:37,372
Thanks to him,
at the Venice Biennale,
394
00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:40,839
I installed 3 screens for the first time.
395
00:32:41,216 --> 00:32:43,670
I've been dreaming about this for a long time.
396
00:32:44,052 --> 00:32:45,794
Needed to be found
397
00:32:46,178 --> 00:32:50,554
the good angle, adjust the square
and the rise of projectors.
398
00:32:50,931 --> 00:32:55,176
And I needed 700 kilos of potatoes
to cover the floor
399
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:58,559
close to the screens.
400
00:32:58,936 --> 00:33:03,229
There was no retreat,
and I didn't have a goal
401
00:33:03,606 --> 00:33:06,013
wide enough to film
402
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:13,526
the three screens:
I film them two at a time.
403
00:33:13,905 --> 00:33:18,530
I was all happy to
find myself among Yoko Ono,
404
00:33:18,908 --> 00:33:24,492
Jonas Mekas and Lawrence Wiener,
that passed behind.
405
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:29,661
And Boltanski,
which I already loved very much.
406
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,822
My potato costume didn't fit
unnoticed.
407
00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:37,293
In years
oldest, in Venice
408
00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:40,623
often
at the Film Festival.
409
00:33:41,005 --> 00:33:45,879
Once, with young Sandrine
Bonnaire, for "Without a Home or Law",
410
00:33:46,259 --> 00:33:50,504
I brought back a golden lion,
and recently, with "As Praias
411
00:33:50,887 --> 00:33:52,878
d'Agnès", finally mine.
412
00:33:53,264 --> 00:33:57,176
We brought the team
who helped me make the film.
413
00:33:57,558 --> 00:34:01,175
They were all
very well dressed.
414
00:34:03,770 --> 00:34:07,470
And again. And again
another arrival across the lagoon.
415
00:34:07,856 --> 00:34:11,555
When we look,
and more and more carefully,
416
00:34:11,943 --> 00:34:13,899
it looks very beautiful.
417
00:34:23,408 --> 00:34:27,737
Very chic invitation to
the opening of the oldest customs
418
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,076
that François Pinault renewed
to display contemporary art.
419
00:34:33,456 --> 00:34:36,824
We found a "Boy with a Frog"
by Charles Ray,
420
00:34:37,209 --> 00:34:39,995
well-preserved sculpture.
421
00:34:40,378 --> 00:34:43,663
Frédéric Mitterrand,
Minister of Culture,
422
00:34:44,047 --> 00:34:46,003
Olivier d'Arvor,
423
00:34:46,381 --> 00:34:51,801
of French Culture and
Even André from the club O Barão.
424
00:34:56,139 --> 00:34:59,222
I cross
the guests' bush
425
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,268
and I move away from the walls.
426
00:35:04,977 --> 00:35:10,432
A wall with collectors,
the Lemaître,
427
00:35:10,815 --> 00:35:13,566
and the one I made.
428
00:35:13,942 --> 00:35:17,025
A wall with my friend
Véronique Bérard,
429
00:35:17,402 --> 00:35:21,185
who I took a portrait of
a long time ago.
430
00:35:21,572 --> 00:35:25,948
In the French pavilion again
the crowd for Claude Lévêque.
431
00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:29,408
Their cages for black flags,
432
00:35:29,785 --> 00:35:32,655
or cages for visitors.
433
00:35:39,042 --> 00:35:41,793
Al'Arsenal
"Sade for Sade's Sake",
434
00:35:42,252 --> 00:35:47,410
a work by Paul Chan
(Greene Naftali Gallery)
435
00:35:47,588 --> 00:35:50,874
A drowned man and no one
takes him out of the water.
436
00:35:51,258 --> 00:35:55,586
It's "Death of a Collector",
by Elmgreen and Dragset.
437
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:58,127
We are in the Nordic world.
438
00:35:58,512 --> 00:36:03,137
Or in Japanese:
a torn down wall by Murakami,
439
00:36:03,516 --> 00:36:07,215
an unstable ground
by Shoza Shimamoto.
440
00:36:10,062 --> 00:36:13,477
In the Spanish pavilion,
the painting. Anyway.
441
00:36:13,856 --> 00:36:16,856
Miquel Barceló, what a delight.
442
00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:23,193
The canvases inspired by Mali.
443
00:36:23,571 --> 00:36:27,235
A pictorial material
very worked.
444
00:36:27,615 --> 00:36:32,774
Dick upside down:
I place the screen on the ceiling,
445
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,860
and I painted to create
these types of stalactites,
446
00:36:37,247 --> 00:36:38,906
like spikes
447
00:36:39,289 --> 00:36:41,780
that catch your eye.
448
00:36:45,668 --> 00:36:47,791
20 years ago I represented myself
449
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:52,036
like a young dog
and now, like a gorilla.
450
00:36:52,424 --> 00:36:55,293
Suddenly I knew
that was me.
451
00:36:55,676 --> 00:36:59,458
This gorilla is not in the wild,
in the forest.
452
00:36:59,844 --> 00:37:02,051
He's in my studio.
453
00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:04,137
It's my studio.
454
00:37:04,514 --> 00:37:09,056
And all of these are the brands that
fell from the frames.
455
00:37:11,019 --> 00:37:16,356
These marks on the floor once,
They were from Miquel's studio
456
00:37:16,731 --> 00:37:18,769
in Paris.
457
00:37:25,820 --> 00:37:27,859
The cardboard gorilla
458
00:37:28,238 --> 00:37:32,649
was done with this,
you albino gorillas.
459
00:37:33,034 --> 00:37:37,528
There are still cardboard pieces.
It was certainly a chair leg.
460
00:37:37,912 --> 00:37:40,781
This is another strange scraper.
461
00:37:41,164 --> 00:37:44,034
I did these things to scratch,
462
00:37:44,416 --> 00:37:47,700
and each one scratches
a different way.
463
00:37:48,085 --> 00:37:51,784
It's like plowing fresh paint.
464
00:37:52,171 --> 00:37:54,839
They worked very hard.
465
00:37:55,215 --> 00:37:58,298
I can ride them
or throw them away.
466
00:37:58,675 --> 00:38:01,675
This is not found anywhere.
467
00:38:02,052 --> 00:38:05,751
- To do what?
- To do this, for example.
468
00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:10,973
- Is it a wave?
- A wave that bites.
469
00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:13,389
We see the teeth.
470
00:38:13,768 --> 00:38:17,895
It was a vacancy and it became
in the skull of a crocodile.
471
00:38:18,271 --> 00:38:22,185
- Did you really see them?
- Yes, many, in Mali.
472
00:38:22,566 --> 00:38:26,859
They meet in Caymans
and in termites.
473
00:38:27,236 --> 00:38:29,274
Right now, in Africa,
474
00:38:29,654 --> 00:38:33,733
termites must eat
my notebooks at home, yes.
475
00:38:34,115 --> 00:38:38,905
Everyone, they ate
a huge amount of paper.
476
00:38:39,286 --> 00:38:40,910
Does this come from Africa?
477
00:38:41,287 --> 00:38:46,362
Yes. It's very beautiful. I don't know anymore
what am I going to do.
478
00:38:46,748 --> 00:38:51,492
No human hand is capable
to do things like that.
479
00:39:00,424 --> 00:39:04,551
It's like the topography there,
where he lives, in Africa.
480
00:39:04,927 --> 00:39:07,596
- Are you always going?
- Every year.
481
00:39:07,971 --> 00:39:13,011
My home would be here,
on the edge of the cliff.
482
00:39:13,391 --> 00:39:18,134
I have a house here.
I paint a lot there.
483
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,520
I paint a lot too
in Majorca.
484
00:39:21,897 --> 00:39:26,641
I was born here, in Felanitx, here,
where it is half burned.
485
00:39:27,025 --> 00:39:29,729
And I live here, in Farrutx.
486
00:39:30,110 --> 00:39:32,779
We got there by plane.
487
00:39:33,154 --> 00:39:36,439
I felt like I was in a trap,
488
00:39:36,823 --> 00:39:39,657
when I was 16 years old.
489
00:39:40,033 --> 00:39:43,698
I would have given a finger
left foot to be born
490
00:39:44,078 --> 00:39:45,737
in New York.
491
00:39:52,959 --> 00:39:54,998
For a moment,
492
00:39:55,377 --> 00:39:58,460
I painted a lot of tomatoes.
493
00:39:58,837 --> 00:40:00,628
I liked it a lot...
494
00:40:01,006 --> 00:40:05,667
its strangeness,
they remained like masks,
495
00:40:06,051 --> 00:40:09,999
with these alveoli, these holes.
496
00:40:10,387 --> 00:40:13,553
It's like starters
497
00:40:13,931 --> 00:40:18,259
in the center of the earth,
every one of those tomatoes, right?
498
00:40:28,024 --> 00:40:30,478
It almost looks like
with a flower.
499
00:40:30,859 --> 00:40:34,357
It's like rivers,
from one to the other.
500
00:40:34,736 --> 00:40:39,112
With peppers,
khakis or other things.
501
00:40:39,489 --> 00:40:44,446
Summer 2010,
Barcelo exhibits in Avignon.
502
00:40:46,578 --> 00:40:50,490
It is reported by an elephant
standing on its trunk.
503
00:40:50,872 --> 00:40:53,741
The exhibition was made
504
00:40:54,124 --> 00:40:57,824
in 3 places:
We needed a totem.
505
00:40:58,210 --> 00:41:01,494
I wanted to have the morphology
of a tree,
506
00:41:01,879 --> 00:41:04,879
so that it could be confused
507
00:41:05,257 --> 00:41:08,755
with the trees that
exist in the city.
508
00:41:09,134 --> 00:41:14,838
At the end of the square,
the Petit Palais museum.
509
00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:20,012
"Jacob's Ladder",
by Nicolas Dipre.
510
00:41:45,991 --> 00:41:51,530
I found a decapitated effigy,
of the Revolution.
511
00:41:51,912 --> 00:41:56,205
The head matched exactly.
It was beautiful.
512
00:41:56,582 --> 00:42:01,823
I gave it a face
poor effigy.
513
00:42:02,211 --> 00:42:05,910
- But a fish face.
- But it's a face.
514
00:42:06,296 --> 00:42:08,869
A beautiful face.
515
00:42:09,257 --> 00:42:12,874
Barcelo also exhibits at
Avignon Foundation
516
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:15,880
by its gallerist, Yvon Lambert.
517
00:42:16,262 --> 00:42:17,257
In this corner
518
00:42:17,638 --> 00:42:20,673
I paint portraits of fish,
519
00:42:21,057 --> 00:42:23,891
like those who paint portraits
of family.
520
00:42:24,267 --> 00:42:27,966
I know the morphology well
of fish.
521
00:42:28,352 --> 00:42:31,222
I've been fishing since I was born.
522
00:42:34,858 --> 00:42:37,773
It's a form of painting,
the clay.
523
00:42:38,151 --> 00:42:40,024
This one reminds me of the chair.
524
00:42:40,402 --> 00:42:45,228
Clay has the memory of
a caress, a blow of the fist,
525
00:42:45,614 --> 00:42:47,653
of a brand.
526
00:42:49,867 --> 00:42:53,994
With choreographer Josef Nadj,
they created
527
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:57,453
a performance: "Paso Doble.
528
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:04,032
Paso Doble is a kind of act
529
00:43:04,418 --> 00:43:08,331
of the vocabulary of my painting
with clay.
530
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,122
Nadj is a dancer.
531
00:43:13,508 --> 00:43:15,077
He persuaded me to do it.
532
00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:19,258
And I told you, I will if you do.
If we do it together.