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Yes.

2
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If you love me, why do you
Won't you come and get me out of here?

3
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because I didn't do anything.

4
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- Mom, don't let me go, please.

5
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- Well, they talk to you.
- I don't want to go.

6
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- Well, you should have listened to your mother.

7
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Go over there and sit down.

8
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- I don't want to go.

9
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- 20, the officer below
signed received prisoner

10
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called Globe Shopping
Center at 12 hundred East Rains

11
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and issued the summons
juvenile of the defendant above

12
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for shoplifting and
I found out later that he was a defendant

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after the defendant left.

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She had given a name
fake by Patricia Jones

15
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and an address of 1544 Meadow,

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which also proved to be false.

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After learning this, the officers
petitioners went to her

18
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at the correct address of 1844
Shadowlawn and arrested

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the defendant for the above charges.

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The amount of items removed was $39.60.

21
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For more information
CR nine number 537751.

22
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End of report.

23
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- Do you know what this thing
will do for you?

24
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- Okay, he's accused of
carry a dangerous weapon.

25
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- That's another good one.

26
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- I never used it.

27
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- It doesn't matter whether you use it or not.

28
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- You had it with you,
son.

29
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- You carry a pistol
that makes no difference

30
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whether you use it or not.

31
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That's right, you won't get her back,

32
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nor your brother.

33
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- You knew better
should have this with you

34
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when he took it.

35
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- I've had time, every time
that the police stop me,

36
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they return it to me.

37
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- You won't make me believe
That's it, Mel.

38
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- They give it back to
me, give it back to me.

39
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- You can convince someone
of that, but not me.

40
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- They return it to me.

41
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- Margie, I'm a lieutenant
Bond, police department.

42
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You were accused of shoplifting.

43
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You have the right to have your
case tried in court

44
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to determine if you
is guilty or innocent.

45
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You have the right to a lawyer.

46
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If you cannot pay, a
will be assigned to you

47
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by the courts.

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You also have the right to
have witnesses in court

49
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or be heard in court.

50
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You have to keep quiet.

51
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Anything you say
will be used in a court of law.

52
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Do you understand this?

53
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- Sit there.

54
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- And now Charles, I'm going
show you some cards

55
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That's it, all or nothing.

56
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They are what you think they are,

57
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they are as they look like you.

58
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As long as the cards
remind you of something

59
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so it could be anything,
all or nothing.

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Could be the card
whole or part of it.

61
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Since the card
remind you of something

62
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I want you to tell me what.

63
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When they don't remember anything anymore

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you tell me that.

65
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Can you do that?

66
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Do you understand now?

67
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Here is your first card.

68
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What does this remind you of?

69
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Butterfly.

70
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- Anything else?

71
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- A bat.
- A bat?

72
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Does this remind you of anything else?

73
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- A bird.
- A bird.

74
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Does this remind you of anything else?

75
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- No.

76
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- Ok, based on the information
that you provided

77
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about

78
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your reason for
referral and based on

79
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basic information
that we have in relation

80
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for this 11 year old black girl,

81
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I will test with you
sparsely

82
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and then we will put it in the form
writing, if appropriate

83
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for your purposes in court.

84
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Next, we will do some
additional recommendations.

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Her drawing is very
appropriate and you realize

86
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that she receives many
details and is interesting.

87
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She gives a beauty mark,
so to speak.

88
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But she makes no distinction
between black and white,

89
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which is interesting, because
they often do

90
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the shading.

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The indication we have of
who is a black girl

92
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- it's the Afro.
- Afro.

93
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- But you notice that she enters
in detail

94
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and the girl represents a lot
a little young man today

95
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and the proportions are good.

96
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So, as much as the
awareness of the social environment,

97
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She seems to be very aware

98
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and any faulty judgment

99
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It has nothing to do with awareness

100
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and ability to interact in society.

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- How are you?
- All very well.

102
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There's nothing wrong with me.

103
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- You stay there, just wait for me.

104
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- This is Dr. Zelder's room.

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- One two three,

106
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four, five, six,

107
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seven, eight, nine,

108
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ten, counting!

109
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Two, three, four

110
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six, seven, eight, nine!

111
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- It is the judgment of the
court that Darryl Greer

112
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is a delinquent.

113
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Darryl, the court will order
that you are committed

114
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to the Tennessee Department of Corrections

115
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for an indefinite period,

116
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but I will suspend this commitment

117
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and put him on probation.

118
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I don't know when this court
has already been released on parole

119
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In a case like this, where someone is...

120
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that there was a serious threat
against someone's life

121
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or someone was shot
as it was in this case.

122
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But I notice that Darryl is about to
form,

123
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has a history of good conduct at school,

124
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is well regarded in the community,

125
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goes to church regularly,

126
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like I said, never had any problems before,

127
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and I think there certainly was
some self defense.

128
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It's questionable, of course.

129
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If Darryl didn't have this
pistol, he wouldn't have

130
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thrown at that kid and if his parents
They wouldn't have put that pistol

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at home, Darryl doesn't
I would have to have it on hand.

132
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I see many cases
like that, Mr. Greer,

133
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where young people get into trouble
confusion why parents

134
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leave pistols at home

135
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where can they get it and

136
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there are many pistols
in circulation.

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- Good morning, Juvenile Court.

138
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Thank you, do you want to do
a complaint?

139
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Thanks.

140
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Good morning, Juvenile Court.

141
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I'll call the office
child support, thank you.

142
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Good morning, Juvenile Court.

143
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Central entrance, thank you.

144
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Good morning, Juvenile Court.

145
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This is regarding payments
of alimony?

146
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Thanks.

147
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- I don't think the judge will
let you come home

148
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because you need more supervision

149
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than what your mother is giving you.

150
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Would you rather go to a foster home?

151
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What's the last name?

152
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- Minor.
- Minor.

153
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- Don't you want to go?

154
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Would you rather go to
a foster home than

155
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to Summerville?

156
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Honey, I don't think the judge
will let you go home.

157
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Don't cry yet, you
He didn't even go to court.

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- All who are here at court
can come in

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and sit in the courtroom.

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No cigarettes or gum.

161
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I bet there is some.

162
00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:08,990
- We want to help you, but for some reason

163
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Your mother doesn't make up her mind.

164
00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:17,115
You know Dr. Lee, the man
Who did you talk to yesterday?

165
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He thinks you need one
home where you would have a mother,

166
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that would really make you stay in line

167
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and stay out of trouble,

168
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because you're not a bad girl.

169
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Would you rather be in a house
than in an institution?

170
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- I want to go home.

171
00:10:36,950 --> 00:10:38,859
- Honey, I don't think so
that the judge will let you go home

172
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because your mother doesn't
is taking care of you.

173
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You don't want to have it anymore
problems, right?

174
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Well, see, a little girl like
you need help

175
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stay away from trouble and your mother

176
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who is unable to help her.

177
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You are only 11 years old,
you have to have someone

178
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to help her.

179
00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:06,239
Okay, do you want
sit there next door?

180
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In the end I will say
ask your mother to come in.

181
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-Shelby County

182
00:11:15,633 --> 00:11:18,539
Judge Kenneth A. Turner speaking.

183
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Sit down, please.

184
00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:22,209
Your Excellency, please next time
case is that of

185
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Diane Minor.

186
00:11:23,643 --> 00:11:25,700
Stand up, Diane.

187
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Probation violation.

188
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- What is the biggest problem
with this girl?

189
00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,363
- Your Honor, Diane was
on parole

190
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on February 18 and
raped four days later

191
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leaving home and staying
out overnight.

192
00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:49,077
The biggest problem seems
be the lack of supervision

193
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at home.

194
00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,819
I discussed the matter with
the Board of Education

195
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and with the advisor
and the teacher

196
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at school.

197
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She was evaluated by Dr. Lee.

198
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He was unable to obtain the
review written for me

199
00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,648
this morning, but the recommendation

200
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is in the file.

201
00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,910
- Okay, thank you.

202
00:12:14,115 --> 00:12:17,559
Miss Minor, I would like to
say something?

203
00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:20,409
- Well, Diane violated
your parole

204
00:12:20,410 --> 00:12:23,349
leaving home, and I don't
I knew what else to do

205
00:12:23,350 --> 00:12:27,479
about that, except call Miss
Alltoff and report it to her.

206
00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,506
So that's what I did.

207
00:12:29,507 --> 00:12:31,157
- You just couldn't
do anything with Diane.

208
00:12:31,158 --> 00:12:35,710
- Well, maybe after that,
she can stay at home.

209
00:12:36,764 --> 00:12:39,390
- Is she prostituting herself?

210
00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,869
- Well, I carried her to the doctor and

211
00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:45,899
the doctor said he couldn't
say nothing about it.

212
00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:48,831
- Your Excellency, when Diane was released

213
00:12:48,832 --> 00:12:52,398
I asked Mrs. Menor to take
Diane that day to the clinic

214
00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:55,559
and she didn't. When did

215
00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:56,882
the following Thursday,

216
00:12:56,883 --> 00:12:59,590
the doctor said it was
too late to say.

217
00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:03,759
- Okay, thank you.

218
00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,729
Anything you want to say, Diane?

219
00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:07,536
- No, sir.

220
00:13:07,537 --> 00:13:09,470
- You are 11 years old

221
00:13:13,220 --> 00:13:15,489
and you're in sixth grade, right?

222
00:13:15,490 --> 00:13:16,390
- Yes sir.

223
00:13:19,273 --> 00:13:22,369
- Well, the school tells us
that you are

224
00:13:22,370 --> 00:13:23,639
below average at school.

225
00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,220
You went faithfully
50 days this school year.

226
00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:29,920
You sleep when you are in class

227
00:13:33,270 --> 00:13:35,480
and behaves badly when he is at school.

228
00:13:36,410 --> 00:13:38,479
Now you fail to follow the
parole rules.

229
00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,399
It's not going well
at home, at school,

230
00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,020
or anywhere else, Diane.

231
00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,529
It is recommended that this child be removed

232
00:13:47,530 --> 00:13:50,749
from your home and placed in a
foster home where she goes

233
00:13:50,750 --> 00:13:53,539
receive adequate supervision.

234
00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:55,154
I know that the Department
of Correction has a

235
00:13:55,155 --> 00:13:57,449
foster home available.

236
00:13:57,450 --> 00:13:59,666
- Yes sir, we have one
prepared to take it

237
00:13:59,667 --> 00:14:00,917
this afternoon.

238
00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:03,549
- It seems like that would be

239
00:14:03,550 --> 00:14:05,671
of your greatest interest.

240
00:14:05,672 --> 00:14:07,199
The Court will now order
that parole

241
00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,422
be revoked and that it be compromised

242
00:14:08,423 --> 00:14:10,454
to the Tennessee Department of Correction

243
00:14:10,455 --> 00:14:14,179
with a recommendation that she
be placed in a foster home.

244
00:14:14,180 --> 00:14:18,589
What is your income, Miss Minor?

245
00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:23,210
- Well, I get $81.00.

246
00:14:25,510 --> 00:14:26,343
- Right.

247
00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:33,017
- The next case is that of
Delores Gene Rogers.

248
00:14:33,018 --> 00:14:34,185
Stand up, Delores.

249
00:14:37,961 --> 00:14:40,044
- Stop crying, darling.

250
00:14:43,969 --> 00:14:45,969
You need to sit down.

251
00:14:53,827 --> 00:14:57,699
Miss Minor, you
Do you understand what the judge said?

252
00:14:57,700 --> 00:15:00,699
It was the opinion of all
people who worked with

253
00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:04,339
Diane, she must be
removed from your home

254
00:15:04,340 --> 00:15:06,603
because she needs more
supervision than you

255
00:15:06,604 --> 00:15:08,340
is able to provide.

256
00:15:09,204 --> 00:15:12,342
Now we had the choice
of an institution

257
00:15:12,343 --> 00:15:14,850
or from a foster home.

258
00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:17,270
She is only 11 years old,

259
00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,739
and most of his acts were
caused

260
00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:23,873
due to lack of supervision.

261
00:15:23,874 --> 00:15:27,409
Therefore, we decided that
it would be better for Diane

262
00:15:27,410 --> 00:15:31,399
if she could be placed in
a home where a foster mother

263
00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,085
can provide you with adequate supervision,

264
00:15:34,086 --> 00:15:36,829
make her go to school,

265
00:15:36,830 --> 00:15:39,851
because if she doesn't
straighten out in this foster home

266
00:15:39,852 --> 00:15:43,649
she will have to go to a
reformatory school.

267
00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:45,110
Do you understand this?

268
00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,482
I realize that you are
scared now, Diane,

269
00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:52,329
but you will get used to it.

270
00:15:52,330 --> 00:15:56,650
It's a good home, McCrosky said
which is one of the best.

271
00:16:00,290 --> 00:16:02,130
Do you have any questions?

272
00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:06,460
Do you think the judge was
unfair to you?

273
00:16:11,922 --> 00:16:15,119
Will you do your best?

274
00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,429
Is this a promise?

275
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:20,006
Now, darling, you can't
miss school more.

276
00:16:20,007 --> 00:16:22,561
You'll have to start going to school

277
00:16:22,562 --> 00:16:27,480
and can't see Betty
Sue or Elizabeth or Ann.

278
00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:33,979
Mr. McCrosky will inform you
about your visiting rights

279
00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:35,169
and what cannot,
but I tell you,

280
00:16:35,170 --> 00:16:37,261
we need you to take off her clothes,

281
00:16:37,262 --> 00:16:42,150
back to court around
from 1:30 pm this afternoon,

282
00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:45,623
because for a while you
you won't be able to visit her

283
00:16:45,624 --> 00:16:48,239
to give you time to
adapt to your new home.

284
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,159
Now Diane, please
try to stop crying.

285
00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,392
The judge is doing what's best for you

286
00:16:53,393 --> 00:16:56,049
and I hope you do too
understand Mrs. Minor.

287
00:16:56,050 --> 00:17:00,292
This was the 36th complaint that
we had with your children,

288
00:17:00,293 --> 00:17:03,063
so it's obvious that there is
lack of supervision

289
00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:06,598
somewhere. And Diane is young
enough so that, hopefully,

290
00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,780
we can help her before she gets worse.

291
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,730
Okay Diane? Promise me something?

292
00:17:14,598 --> 00:17:17,410
Promise not to run away
from the foster home?

293
00:17:18,819 --> 00:17:21,659
If you have problems, will you call me?

294
00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:23,614
- Yes, ma'am.
- So let's work on it.

295
00:17:23,615 --> 00:17:26,480
'Cause if you run away, we'll have to put you

296
00:17:26,481 --> 00:17:29,500
in reform school, and I
I don't want that to happen.

297
00:17:33,370 --> 00:17:34,203
OK?

298
00:17:37,380 --> 00:17:40,975
- Do you need another tissue?
- No, ma'am.

299
00:17:40,976 --> 00:17:45,530
- Okay, I can leave you
visit it now if you want.

300
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,199
Just bring the clothes, Miss
Minor, even the detention of girls

301
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,852
in the matron's office.

302
00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,350
- I see that the Assistance Department
Social is recommending that the

303
00:18:25,849 --> 00:18:27,769
the child is returned
to mother's custody

304
00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:31,419
under the protective supervision of the
Welfare Department.

305
00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:34,308
- Is this child abuse?
- Yes sir.

306
00:18:34,309 --> 00:18:37,869
- My God, look at the
photos of the child here,

307
00:18:37,870 --> 00:18:40,648
how, how was he so injured?

308
00:18:40,649 --> 00:18:42,659
- That was for a belt.

309
00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:45,626
Mom's boyfriend told me
that he disciplined

310
00:18:45,627 --> 00:18:48,599
the child because he doesn't
would care about your mother.

311
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,771
Later I discovered that the child
I wasn't using

312
00:18:50,772 --> 00:18:53,389
clothes as the whip hit.

313
00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:54,949
I know it happened twice.

314
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:56,949
He hit him once, the child ran,

315
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:58,199
and he hit him again.

316
00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,689
- Is that the boyfriend in court now?

317
00:18:59,690 --> 00:19:01,639
- Yes, it is, and they plan to get married.

318
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,189
They have a license
wedding and they told me

319
00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:06,680
who are going to get married
after this hearing.

320
00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:10,370
- Well, this child seems to have
been severely beaten.

321
00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:13,579
- Your Honor, of course,

322
00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:16,439
For this reason, we try
extract the evidence

323
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,962
the best we could and
we find out what the facts are,

324
00:19:18,963 --> 00:19:21,700
because surely no one
want to take a risk

325
00:19:22,730 --> 00:19:23,980
with a child's health.

326
00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:29,259
This child, I believe, does not
is four years old,

327
00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:31,369
although it looks like it, she has about
six years old.

328
00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:33,149
He's a big son.

329
00:19:33,150 --> 00:19:35,269
Of course he is in
period now when it will

330
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:38,318
go through typical obstinacy
and that kind of thing.

331
00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:41,119
Apparently, that morning,
his mother had told him

332
00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,890
dress so they
could take him to the nanny.

333
00:19:44,946 --> 00:19:46,349
The man involved,

334
00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:47,965
the boyfriend or what
you want to call him,

335
00:19:47,966 --> 00:19:51,951
has been with his wife for
about six months.

336
00:19:51,952 --> 00:19:55,319
They have been engaged for
some time and they were already

337
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,470
in preparation with plans
of marriage.

338
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,529
They had entered a
pattern, apparently, where

339
00:20:01,530 --> 00:20:05,009
the mother got to the point
to ask him

340
00:20:05,010 --> 00:20:06,819
to act like his father.

341
00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:09,355
In other words, carrying out a
certain amount of discipline.

342
00:20:09,356 --> 00:20:12,440
In the psychiatrist's assessment,

343
00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:16,629
Dr. Roy Barnes, arrived at
conclusion that the biggest

344
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:18,539
part of the problem here was
simply that the man

345
00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:20,732
I had never had any experience
in disciplining children before

346
00:20:20,733 --> 00:20:23,304
and that he just exaggerated.

347
00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:26,535
He himself recognizes this.

348
00:20:26,536 --> 00:20:29,329
He is reluctant to
characterize as having

349
00:20:29,330 --> 00:20:32,129
loss of control and I think
that the reason for this

350
00:20:32,130 --> 00:20:34,199
is that most people when
you say that you have the feeling that

351
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,668
Do you mean they
went crazy or something like that.

352
00:20:36,669 --> 00:20:39,399
According to the psychiatrist,
there is no indication

353
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,519
of any pathological condition
or anything

354
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:42,620
on the part of man.

355
00:20:42,621 --> 00:20:45,811
No sadomasochistic traits
or something like that,

356
00:20:45,812 --> 00:20:49,410
that you find in cases
real cases of child abuse.

357
00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:54,500
We have testimonies from the grandmother,

358
00:20:54,501 --> 00:20:56,579
who was worried

359
00:20:56,580 --> 00:20:58,449
and apparently this boy
he was very hurt.

360
00:20:58,450 --> 00:21:01,089
I haven't seen these photos yet

361
00:21:01,090 --> 00:21:01,923
nor the

362
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,830
medical report.

363
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,199
- We have a copy of the
medical report, as well as the

364
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:13,200
psychiatrist's report on
Mr. Stanley, the boyfriend

365
00:21:13,927 --> 00:21:16,820
here attached to the well-being report.

366
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,499
- Anyway, what
I know from that morning,

367
00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:22,909
is that the boy wasn't wearing his
clothes as requested

368
00:21:22,910 --> 00:21:25,309
and the man took the child's belt,

369
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:27,399
it wasn't the belt
a man or something

370
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,380
on your own,

371
00:21:30,370 --> 00:21:31,380
and he flogged him.

372
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,758
As he said, he
whipped for a long time.

373
00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:35,429
- Wasn't the mother present?

374
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:36,849
- Oh, yes, the mother was present.

375
00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:39,143
I don't know if she was in
same room or watching, but...

376
00:21:39,144 --> 00:21:42,521
- She explained to me that she was going to
inside and outside the room.

377
00:21:42,522 --> 00:21:45,839
There is one point that disturbs me.

378
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,460
During my initial contact
with the child's mother,

379
00:21:49,461 --> 00:21:52,879
was revealed to me
attention that there was

380
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,011
one discussion a week
previous between mother

381
00:21:55,012 --> 00:21:58,548
and the boyfriend because
Stanley beat him

382
00:21:58,549 --> 00:22:01,949
before that and left bruises.

383
00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:04,672
The end result of the argument
was that Mr. Stanley

384
00:22:04,673 --> 00:22:09,219
promised never again
would touch the boy.

385
00:22:09,220 --> 00:22:11,368
Now they deny telling me that

386
00:22:11,369 --> 00:22:14,617
and they say that never
happened and Mrs. Stanley,

387
00:22:14,618 --> 00:22:18,669
I'm sorry, the boy's mother, Mrs. Coper,

388
00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:21,759
says she doesn't know who
put the bruises on him

389
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,719
that she had beaten him a day or two

390
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,299
before John Stanley.

391
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,570
This was the week before
and that she may very well

392
00:22:27,571 --> 00:22:28,679
have put the bruises on him.

393
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,239
- The boy had already been
beaten before, there's no doubt

394
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,759
and no one would say that
didn't happen before,

395
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,729
I think.

396
00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:40,809
The case about Mr. Stanley
saying he never

397
00:22:40,810 --> 00:22:43,369
I would beat him again, like
I understand and I was told,

398
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:47,489
from the first case,
occurred after this spanking.

399
00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:50,999
Now I know at first
printing, at a minimum,

400
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,243
and you might be right,
they may have told you

401
00:22:53,244 --> 00:22:57,820
in confusion and worry about
what was happening.

402
00:22:57,821 --> 00:23:00,469
They may have
confused and told you

403
00:23:00,470 --> 00:23:02,739
that was when he did this,

404
00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:06,259
but I am aware that the first spanking

405
00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:09,929
apparently it wasn't
this degree of severity.

406
00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:11,936
Now the neighbor apparently
confirmed that there was

407
00:23:11,937 --> 00:23:15,899
some bruises, but
I believe your investigation

408
00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,204
indicated that no
it was none of that.

409
00:23:18,205 --> 00:23:21,530
- The child appears to have bruises
easily?

410
00:23:22,838 --> 00:23:25,289
- I talked to the mother
about this, as well as

411
00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:27,609
with the child's pediatrician, Dr. Bell,

412
00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:29,798
who has been the doctor since birth.

413
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:34,089
There is no record that he
get hurt so easily.

414
00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:37,198
- He is certainly seriously
injured in these photos here

415
00:23:37,199 --> 00:23:39,169
that's a fact.

416
00:23:39,170 --> 00:23:41,629
- The mother made a statement of

417
00:23:41,630 --> 00:23:42,462
that he does get hurt.

418
00:23:42,463 --> 00:23:44,448
I have no way of verifying this.

419
00:23:44,449 --> 00:23:48,219
Dr. Bell presented
medical report and he says

420
00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:50,609
that the child always received
good medical care

421
00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:52,589
and he was never seen with any
evidence of bruising

422
00:23:52,590 --> 00:23:53,540
anywhere before.

423
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,139
- Well, it seems that, in perspective,
this stepfather

424
00:23:59,140 --> 00:24:02,060
just got excited,
a little too zealous

425
00:24:02,061 --> 00:24:04,040
correcting the child.

426
00:24:04,041 --> 00:24:09,041
Well I kinda feel the
same as Dr. Barnes.

427
00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:11,453
He said,

428
00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:20,695
"I think his answer
the child's behavior

429
00:24:20,696 --> 00:24:23,129
It was like an overreaction."

430
00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:25,319
Well, right before that, he says:
"Essentially, what we

431
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,456
Here we have a man who
suddenly have the responsibility

432
00:24:27,457 --> 00:24:30,106
to discipline a child
three and a half years

433
00:24:30,107 --> 00:24:32,493
without any prior experience."

434
00:24:32,494 --> 00:24:35,369
"I think his answer
the child's behavior

435
00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:38,449
It was an overreaction, but
I don't see it as a future

436
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:40,200
threat to this child or
to any other.”

437
00:24:43,193 --> 00:24:45,179
There are times when a child passes by,

438
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:47,779
as the psychiatrist calls the anal period,

439
00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:49,319
which can be extremely embarrassing.

440
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,532
I have two that are finished
to go through this.

441
00:24:51,533 --> 00:24:56,533
There were times when I wanted
give some bruises.

442
00:24:56,650 --> 00:24:59,514
But I've had the experience,
first to have the first,

443
00:24:59,515 --> 00:25:02,740
and the second I looked at day by day.

444
00:25:03,617 --> 00:25:06,469
I was never driven
to do something like that.

445
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:08,129
I already gave them a few tugs...

446
00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:09,461
- Was it the first time it happened?

447
00:25:09,462 --> 00:25:11,003
- Yes sir.

448
00:25:11,004 --> 00:25:14,679
- And, in your opinion, it is not
likely to happen again?

449
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,429
- No, sir, not with the
home supervision.

450
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:20,619
We explained to the mother that if this
happen again

451
00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:23,362
the department would start a petition.

452
00:25:23,363 --> 00:25:25,407
- And a child abuse warrant?

453
00:25:25,408 --> 00:25:26,879
- Yes.

454
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,014
We would ask that the court
make it very clear to them

455
00:25:29,015 --> 00:25:33,220
what measures would be taken
if this happened again.

456
00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:36,968
- Well, it doesn't seem like one
intentional thing, so

457
00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:41,280
and he just exaggerated
punishment work.

458
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:45,525
Hitting the child or whipping him
with the child's belt,

459
00:25:45,526 --> 00:25:48,329
if corporal punishment is in order,

460
00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:50,980
it wouldn't look like an instrument
unusual, would it be?

461
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,948
We have seen many cases
here where children

462
00:25:53,949 --> 00:25:57,419
were beaten with
bed cords and slats

463
00:25:57,420 --> 00:26:00,890
tortured in various other ways and

464
00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:06,299
no accusation is
recommended at this time

465
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:09,410
and its recommendation is that the
child be relocated

466
00:26:09,411 --> 00:26:12,469
with mother under the
protective supervision

467
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:16,009
from the welfare department
and I hope everyone has

468
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:17,668
learned a lesson from this experience.

469
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:20,560
- Okay, let's do this then.
- Thanks.

470
00:26:49,804 --> 00:26:53,405
- You can press the bell
for me, please?

471
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,557
- Okay, you can go.

472
00:27:00,732 --> 00:27:02,484
- Can we see Gary Runchen, please?

473
00:27:02,485 --> 00:27:05,780
- Yes, ma'am, it will take a while
just a few minutes.

474
00:27:05,781 --> 00:27:06,781
- Okay

475
00:27:09,931 --> 00:27:11,348
- Hello, how are you?

476
00:27:12,356 --> 00:27:14,189
- All right, sir.

477
00:27:18,191 --> 00:27:19,977
- Mr. Noble!
- How are you?

478
00:27:19,978 --> 00:27:21,645
- Good and you?

479
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,300
- That's all I got.

480
00:27:44,054 --> 00:27:45,688
- Do you want to tell me a little

481
00:27:45,689 --> 00:27:47,330
about why you're here?

482
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:51,440
- Yes, they brought me
here for, let's see,

483
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,078
assault and attack on children under 12 years old

484
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:57,000
with sexual intentions.

485
00:27:58,765 --> 00:28:00,619
- I'm not very interested
in our jargon,

486
00:28:00,620 --> 00:28:02,889
but I'm interested in how
you notice it.

487
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:05,253
So tell me with your own
words, what do you think

488
00:28:05,254 --> 00:28:07,235
to be here?

489
00:28:07,236 --> 00:28:09,869
- They said...

490
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:11,499
- I'm not worried about
what they say.

491
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,031
I'm worried about what you say.

492
00:28:13,032 --> 00:28:15,000
What do you say about that?

493
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,340
- It's all a bunch of nonsense

494
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:22,130
because see, I'm
here for no reason.

495
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,608
- Do you know what the
charge sheet says?

496
00:28:27,609 --> 00:28:28,442
- Yes.

497
00:28:29,970 --> 00:28:32,159
- Are these charges true?

498
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:32,993
- No.

499
00:28:34,890 --> 00:28:36,789
- From what I understand, you were babysitting.

500
00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:38,139
- Is that correct?
- Yes.

501
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:40,479
- You took care of these people
often?

502
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,340
- Yes, I already took care of it
six times before.

503
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:47,049
- Have you ever been
in court before?

504
00:28:47,050 --> 00:28:48,279
- No.

505
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,449
- How did these two
children say that

506
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:52,105
Did these things happen?

507
00:28:52,106 --> 00:28:53,742
- I don't know.

508
00:28:53,743 --> 00:28:55,190
I don't know, I really don't know.

509
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:59,489
Now the little boy, he might
was mad at me

510
00:28:59,490 --> 00:29:01,190
because I took a story
in his comics

511
00:29:02,780 --> 00:29:04,507
right before.

512
00:29:04,508 --> 00:29:06,579
When he was in bed,
he was, you know

513
00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:08,888
marking a comic
and I got the comic

514
00:29:08,889 --> 00:29:12,550
and the ink pen and took it away
him, he was angry about it.

515
00:29:15,643 --> 00:29:17,417
- What grade are you in at school,
at which school?

516
00:29:17,418 --> 00:29:20,429
- I'm in 9th grade,
Bellview High School.

517
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:22,349
- Have you already failed?

518
00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:23,569
Yes, a year.

519
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:25,350
- What series?

520
00:29:25,351 --> 00:29:27,959
- I prefer not to talk about this series.

521
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,049
- Well, I just need to know where
disapproved.

522
00:29:30,050 --> 00:29:32,036
- Okay, it was kindergarten.

523
00:29:32,037 --> 00:29:33,560
Lack of presence.

524
00:29:35,321 --> 00:29:39,060
- Now there was some suggestion
in the police report

525
00:29:41,063 --> 00:29:42,515
of bruises.

526
00:29:42,516 --> 00:29:45,573
What do you tell me about this?

527
00:29:45,574 --> 00:29:50,049
- When Shirley, their mother,

528
00:29:50,050 --> 00:29:54,929
took them upstairs there was a
passionate mark on their necks.

529
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:57,160
What do children today
day they call it a bite.

530
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,109
- But what can you tell me?
about that, anything?

531
00:30:02,110 --> 00:30:05,190
- I don't know the cause or how
happened.

532
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,450
- Did you undress this little girl?

533
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:15,140
- No, she undressed
when he lay down.

534
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:19,476
- You were in the room with
her when she was naked

535
00:30:19,477 --> 00:30:21,229
- when you were without clothes?
- No no.

536
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:22,909
She was never naked.

537
00:30:22,910 --> 00:30:24,620
She was by no means naked.

538
00:30:27,043 --> 00:30:28,980
- Now you look
be a little nervous,

539
00:30:28,981 --> 00:30:33,013
so let's stop and half
than playing a game for a minute.

540
00:30:33,014 --> 00:30:34,779
Let's think of something like three wishes.

541
00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:37,269
If you had three wishes,
what would they be?

542
00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:39,249
What would you wish?

543
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:40,520
- Let's see.

544
00:30:49,724 --> 00:30:50,557
Let's see.

545
00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:56,542
That everyone believed in God.

546
00:30:56,543 --> 00:30:58,043
- What else?

547
00:30:59,855 --> 00:31:01,800
- That everyone would go to church.

548
00:31:05,098 --> 00:31:06,198
- Anything else?

549
00:31:08,729 --> 00:31:10,629
- And that I had three more wishes.

550
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:15,309
- What I'm asking is
if you think maybe

551
00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:18,689
you were so angry
with your mother and what

552
00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:21,429
it had happened even before coming here,

553
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:23,359
for what's cool, because
this is what you feel

554
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,539
that your mother would want,

555
00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:26,340
Did you decide to do those things?

556
00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:30,029
There is?

557
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:34,089
- Yes ma'am, because she...
- Because she what?

558
00:31:34,090 --> 00:31:35,396
- She always calls me that,

559
00:31:35,397 --> 00:31:38,230
so I was saying I wouldn't go.

560
00:31:41,916 --> 00:31:43,844
- Look at me and let me
say one thing.

561
00:31:43,845 --> 00:31:47,309
Now, one of the first steps to growth

562
00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:50,361
That's when you realize that
won't let someone

563
00:31:50,362 --> 00:31:54,184
take your hand and take away
the fire peanuts

564
00:31:54,185 --> 00:31:56,627
because your hand is burning, you know?

565
00:31:56,628 --> 00:32:01,319
Rain or shine, young lady,
understand?

566
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,604
You say to yourself
who will be someone

567
00:32:04,605 --> 00:32:06,844
and a prostitute or a slut is nobody.

568
00:32:06,845 --> 00:32:11,279
Because like I told you before,
anyone can ruin everything.

569
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,719
No intelligence is needed.

570
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,069
Nothing is needed.

571
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:15,313
Anyone can be a slut.

572
00:32:15,314 --> 00:32:18,637
When a bitch is in heat, you
can't take it off

573
00:32:18,638 --> 00:32:19,889
her from the other dogs.

574
00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:22,213
When she has puppies,
she has them alone.

575
00:32:22,214 --> 00:32:24,220
Now you can sit here
and plunge into sadness

576
00:32:24,221 --> 00:32:27,120
and say that "my mother always
He called me a whore."

577
00:32:27,121 --> 00:32:30,479
My sister says I don't
I'm good, so I'm going there

578
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,619
and I will be a prostitute.

579
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:33,386
And don't be fooled,
because if that's all

580
00:32:33,387 --> 00:32:36,759
What does it take to make you
a prostitute then you were on the road

581
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,829
to be one in the first place.

582
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:38,732
Do you understand?

583
00:32:38,733 --> 00:32:40,493
But if you tell yourself,

584
00:32:40,494 --> 00:32:43,942
"I know I'm someone" because
you are not the first

585
00:32:43,943 --> 00:32:47,716
person who had someone to
put you in trouble

586
00:32:47,717 --> 00:32:49,449
or do things to hurt you.

587
00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:50,282
Do you understand?

588
00:32:50,283 --> 00:32:53,643
But if you tell yourself, "I am someone."

589
00:32:53,644 --> 00:32:55,844
I'm not going to be a prostitute.

590
00:32:55,845 --> 00:32:57,399
I'm not going to be a slut.

591
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,909
I won't let anyone
take advantage of me.

592
00:32:59,910 --> 00:33:01,739
I'm going to be a teacher or a doctor or

593
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:03,310
whatever you want to be.

594
00:33:03,311 --> 00:33:07,309
And let me tell you lady,
I don't care what someone

595
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:10,902
tells you, they can tell you
call a whore all day

596
00:33:10,903 --> 00:33:13,752
but they can't do
you do what you don't want.

597
00:33:13,753 --> 00:33:14,780
Do you understand this?

598
00:33:14,781 --> 00:33:17,529
Do you understand this?

599
00:33:17,530 --> 00:33:19,673
Now I want you to remember
of this while you're here

600
00:33:19,674 --> 00:33:20,759
and when you go home.

601
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,859
Do you understand?

602
00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:24,610
If at any time in your life you
I'm tempted to do anything

603
00:33:24,611 --> 00:33:26,167
because you are angry

604
00:33:26,168 --> 00:33:28,980
you remember you are not a prostitute!

605
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,669
And sticks and stones will break your bones

606
00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:34,549
but words will never hurt you.

607
00:33:34,550 --> 00:33:36,139
You keep your head high

608
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:38,409
and you say you're going to be someone!

609
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:39,950
Do you understand this?

610
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:42,911
And that's all it takes.

611
00:33:42,912 --> 00:33:46,459
This is how life should
be for all of us,

612
00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:48,089
because there will always be someone

613
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:49,219
trying to bring you down.

614
00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:51,223
Always someone telling you
that you are nothing.

615
00:33:51,224 --> 00:33:54,920
See, but you need to find yourself.

616
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,309
See you have to
find your place in the world.

617
00:33:59,310 --> 00:34:00,919
I mean, it doesn't have to be
a movie star.

618
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,850
It doesn't have to be a
great person, just you.

619
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:09,770
Somewhere in this world, you
means a lot to someone. He understands?

620
00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:13,317
But what have you done

621
00:34:13,318 --> 00:34:17,669
you are expected to be given
everything.

622
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:19,670
But you haven't given it to anyone.

623
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:24,839
If you join here

624
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,770
and believe in yourself, you know?

625
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,567
Then you can go home
because you know that if the pimps

626
00:34:32,568 --> 00:34:33,698
bother you,

627
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:35,178
you know the courts here
to help

628
00:34:35,179 --> 00:34:36,071
with criminals, you know that.

629
00:34:36,072 --> 00:34:39,310
You know we are so
as close as your phone.

630
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,259
Then the rest is up to you.

631
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:46,738
I will talk to your
mom and we will see

632
00:34:46,739 --> 00:34:47,572
what can we do.

633
00:34:48,623 --> 00:34:50,903
So you stay there and pay attention.

634
00:34:50,904 --> 00:34:52,116
You do no harm.

635
00:34:52,117 --> 00:34:57,099
And when your mother
come, don't choose.

636
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,585
Don't think it's so difficult.

637
00:34:58,586 --> 00:35:00,934
If she asks a question that
seems to be curious,

638
00:35:00,935 --> 00:35:03,029
well, this is your mother, she loves you.

639
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:05,824
You know, answer the question.

640
00:35:05,825 --> 00:35:08,209
Peace has to start somewhere,

641
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:09,495
Let it start with you, okay?

642
00:35:09,496 --> 00:35:11,729
When she asks you for things, if
it gets on your nerves,

643
00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:14,283
just grit your teeth and
say yes ma'am.

644
00:35:14,284 --> 00:35:16,762
Because she is yours
mother and she loves you.

645
00:35:16,763 --> 00:35:18,709
She told me the other day
who wouldn't come to see you

646
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:19,679
but she came back.

647
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,670
She loves you.

648
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:25,099
I mean, don't think that any
one of us can be here

649
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:26,019
without fail.

650
00:35:26,020 --> 00:35:29,100
Just because she's yours
Mom, she makes mistakes.

651
00:35:30,874 --> 00:35:34,578
But she loves you and
You love her, don't you?

652
00:35:34,579 --> 00:35:38,819
Okay, fine, I'm done for today.

653
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:40,439
But I'll take you back to detention

654
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,320
so I'll talk to Twyla and

655
00:35:44,429 --> 00:35:47,458
well...

656
00:35:47,459 --> 00:35:48,519
I can see a smile!

657
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,919
It's been so long! And which
is the name of

658
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,269
Who did your hair?

659
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:54,915
Wanda, poor Wanda.

660
00:35:54,916 --> 00:35:57,538
Wanda has been in and out of
juvenile courts so many times.

661
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,979
- Stay away from recurrences
what happens now

662
00:36:11,980 --> 00:36:15,090
is to have a changed life in Jesus Christ

663
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:18,759
and feeding and reading the word.

664
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,510
Feeding your mind but
reading the word of God.

665
00:36:22,962 --> 00:36:26,119
He's the only one I've seen
many people who have

666
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,059
traveled and the only ones
that have already been

667
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:31,682
successful and never had a
recurrence were those

668
00:36:31,683 --> 00:36:35,989
who came to Christ and
they feasted and read

669
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:36,823
the word of God.

670
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:44,070
Go on and baptize your minds
in sacred scriptures.

671
00:36:44,071 --> 00:36:49,071
This is what you are offered, a new life.

672
00:36:49,289 --> 00:36:50,530
See?

673
00:36:52,290 --> 00:36:53,614
- Yes sir.

674
00:36:53,615 --> 00:36:55,340
- I was a drug addict for 12 years.

675
00:36:58,390 --> 00:37:01,669
Addicted, lost, Jesus
changed my life.

676
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:05,740
Christ can come into your life
and make this big change.

677
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,299
You have to recognize
these different points,

678
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,309
these different things in your life.

679
00:37:15,310 --> 00:37:16,869
You need Jesus.

680
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:18,808
You need the greater power
that the power that is

681
00:37:18,809 --> 00:37:20,319
serving now.

682
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480
The devil, sin and drugs.

683
00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:26,930
The only greater power in the world is,

684
00:37:26,931 --> 00:37:29,529
the supreme power of the world,

685
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:31,240
It is Jesus himself.

686
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,029
- As before, you were living a life

687
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:39,599
for you and following your own path.

688
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,149
Putting yourself in the mess
in which he was involved.

689
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:47,469
Confusion, conflict,

690
00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:48,779
lack of direction,

691
00:37:48,780 --> 00:37:51,909
lack of goals, lack of meaning.

692
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:54,560
Where would you be willing
to take his own life

693
00:37:56,485 --> 00:37:59,849
and now you'll say "no more

694
00:37:59,850 --> 00:38:02,779
I will live my way."

695
00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:07,589
"Now I will commit
with God and Jesus Christ

696
00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:11,119
and I will get in his way."

697
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,899
Everything I've ever looked for
I found it in Christ.

698
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:18,739
My soul's satisfaction and desire

699
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:21,054
and the meaning it
brought into my life,

700
00:38:21,055 --> 00:38:24,010
nothing compares to that.

701
00:38:24,011 --> 00:38:28,069
It was a wonderful thing
see what Christ

702
00:38:28,070 --> 00:38:29,619
I was doing in my life

703
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:34,620
and it continues since
that day 12 years ago,

704
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:38,219
change my life day by day.

705
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:42,329
To continue to bring
meaning to my life,

706
00:38:42,330 --> 00:38:47,330
purpose, reasons to live,
because he lives inside me

707
00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:54,080
and that's what Christ will do
for you and set you free

708
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:56,429
and free you,

709
00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:59,737
your soul and mind
and give you direction.

710
00:38:59,738 --> 00:39:03,244
From now on, give
you something to live for,

711
00:39:03,245 --> 00:39:05,220
a purpose in life.

712
00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:10,899
Would you like him
come into your life?

713
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:12,783
- Yes sir, truly.

714
00:39:12,784 --> 00:39:17,149
- Well, let's lead you in a prayer

715
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:20,081
you repeat after me.

716
00:39:20,082 --> 00:39:22,220
- Okay.

717
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:24,410
- God.
- God.

718
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,232
- Be merciful.

719
00:39:26,233 --> 00:39:27,678
- Be merciful.

720
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,289
- With me.
- With me.

721
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:31,122
- A sinner.

722
00:39:31,123 --> 00:39:32,371
- A sinner.

723
00:39:32,372 --> 00:39:33,979
- I did it wrong.

724
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:34,812
- I did it wrong.

725
00:39:34,813 --> 00:39:36,455
- And I sinned, God.

726
00:39:36,456 --> 00:39:38,313
- And I sinned, God.

727
00:39:38,314 --> 00:39:40,266
- And I ask now.

728
00:39:40,267 --> 00:39:41,707
- And I ask now.

729
00:39:41,708 --> 00:39:43,396
- May you come into my life.

730
00:39:43,397 --> 00:39:45,002
- May you come into my life.

731
00:39:45,003 --> 00:39:46,892
- And free me.

732
00:39:46,893 --> 00:39:48,709
- And free me.

733
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:49,909
- Of drugs.

734
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:50,839
- Of drugs.

735
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,219
- My old way.

736
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:53,822
- My old way.

737
00:39:53,823 --> 00:39:55,890
- Of my old life patterns.

738
00:39:55,891 --> 00:39:58,783
- Of my old life patterns.

739
00:39:58,784 --> 00:40:01,673
- And now...
- And now...

740
00:40:01,674 --> 00:40:03,199
- You gave me a new direction.

741
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,799
- You gave me a new direction.

742
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,788
- New objective.

743
00:40:05,789 --> 00:40:06,882
- New objective.

744
00:40:06,883 --> 00:40:08,915
- New meaning.
- New meaning.

745
00:40:08,916 --> 00:40:11,169
- And you would help me.

746
00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:12,789
- And you would help me.

747
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:14,949
- My God.
- My God.

748
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:16,229
- Live for you.

749
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:17,489
- Live for you.

750
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:18,539
- From this day onwards.

751
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:19,579
- From this day onwards.

752
00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:20,847
- Onwards.
- Onwards.

753
00:40:20,848 --> 00:40:23,094
- Help me to obey your word.

754
00:40:23,095 --> 00:40:25,120
- Help me to obey your word.

755
00:40:25,121 --> 00:40:27,984
- Help me live up to it
with the pattern of your word.

756
00:40:27,985 --> 00:40:30,249
- Help me live up to the standard

757
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:31,082
of your word.

758
00:40:31,083 --> 00:40:32,829
- And I'll give it to you.

759
00:40:32,830 --> 00:40:34,499
- And I'll give it to you.

760
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:35,669
- The praise.

761
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:36,599
- The compliment.

762
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,615
- In the name of your son.

763
00:40:37,616 --> 00:40:39,240
- In the name of your son.

764
00:40:39,241 --> 00:40:40,920
- Amen.
- Amen.

765
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:44,800
- Do you believe he
entered your heart?

766
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:46,909
- Yes.

767
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:50,773
- Okay, you know
that this is good,

768
00:40:50,774 --> 00:40:52,950
that the word of God says this.

769
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,039
He says this in Revelation,
the third chapter,

770
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,079
and in verse 20.

771
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,499
Says, "Behold, I am
at the door and knock"

772
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:08,699
and if anyone hears my voice,

773
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:12,780
"open the door, and I will come to him."

774
00:41:13,678 --> 00:41:16,630
- Isn't that fantastic?
- Yes sir.

775
00:41:23,050 --> 00:41:23,882
Yes sir.

776
00:41:23,883 --> 00:41:25,669
- You thank him the way
whatever you want.

777
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:28,010
Just pray your feelings.

778
00:41:29,684 --> 00:41:32,369
- Dear Lord, I don't have much prayer,

779
00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:36,959
but I would like to say that
I'm proud to have you coming

780
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,209
in my heart and to help me

781
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:46,210
forgive all my mistakes and
become a better person.

782
00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:49,440
In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

783
00:41:50,504 --> 00:41:52,137
- Amen.

784
00:41:52,138 --> 00:41:53,055
Praise God.

785
00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:57,980
- You said that this one reminded you
the void.

786
00:42:01,417 --> 00:42:05,979
- Yes, like a woman.

787
00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:10,980
As if it were an empty uterus.

788
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,670
It looks like a stomach, maybe it's empty.

789
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:19,009
Or perhaps an empty feeling.
See there

790
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:20,381
the two girls?

791
00:42:20,382 --> 00:42:23,967
They look like two Indian women,
a girl right there.

792
00:42:23,968 --> 00:42:25,699
The girl there and they are looking

793
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:27,872
to where it is empty.

794
00:42:27,873 --> 00:42:30,870
Like an empty interior.

795
00:42:44,259 --> 00:42:45,091
- Sit down.

796
00:42:45,925 --> 00:42:46,885
Is she an employee here?

797
00:42:49,326 --> 00:42:50,465
- What is the accusation now?

798
00:42:50,466 --> 00:42:51,928
- There you go, seven.

799
00:42:51,929 --> 00:42:53,233
- We don't have it here
for nothing.

800
00:42:53,234 --> 00:42:54,301
Seven here.

801
00:42:54,302 --> 00:42:55,134
- Shoplifting?

802
00:42:55,135 --> 00:42:56,885
- Clearly.

803
00:43:05,503 --> 00:43:07,787
- Look ahead.

804
00:43:07,788 --> 00:43:09,621
Thank you, sit down.

805
00:43:16,210 --> 00:43:18,319
- As soon as Mr. Whitaker
get here, I'll talk to him

806
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,090
see if I can get in
navy or something.

807
00:43:21,478 --> 00:43:24,922
- I don't think you can
with this history,

808
00:43:24,923 --> 00:43:25,925
can you?

809
00:43:25,926 --> 00:43:28,748
- Maybe I can, I don't know.

810
00:43:28,749 --> 00:43:30,179
- Do you feel okay now?

811
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:31,720
- Yes, I feel good now.

812
00:43:33,418 --> 00:43:35,579
I don't know, it feels like I'm starting

813
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:38,362
getting healthy and everything.

814
00:43:38,363 --> 00:43:40,113
- What did you take?

815
00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:43,519
- Actually, I don't know.

816
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,869
I hadn't done this in so long and I decided,

817
00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:48,902
Well, why not, it won't hurt me.

818
00:43:48,903 --> 00:43:49,886
But then...

819
00:43:49,887 --> 00:43:51,149
- You had a bad trip.

820
00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:55,029
- Yes, and so

821
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:56,900
I think I'll stay away
of drugs from now on.

822
00:43:56,901 --> 00:43:59,484
- I think you will for a while.

823
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:04,200
- I learned my lesson.

824
00:44:06,627 --> 00:44:08,960
- Well, I was with you here.

825
00:44:13,035 --> 00:44:15,785
- I don't know, I remember I was
trying to get home

826
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,500
but then somehow I got lost.

827
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:22,374
They found you in Avalon.

828
00:44:22,375 --> 00:44:24,065
- Where in Avalon?

829
00:44:24,066 --> 00:44:26,429
- Down our path.
- Towards Henry?

830
00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:29,889
I must have turned the wrong street then.

831
00:44:29,890 --> 00:44:31,930
- You knocked on three people's doors.

832
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:36,931
And they thought you were
looking for a teenager.

833
00:44:36,932 --> 00:44:39,450
Then they saw that something
was wrong with you

834
00:44:39,451 --> 00:44:41,522
and they called the police.

835
00:44:41,523 --> 00:44:42,444
- Yes I know.

836
00:44:42,445 --> 00:44:44,664
- Blessed, they were very nice.

837
00:44:44,665 --> 00:44:47,629
- They were?
- Very.

838
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:49,403
- What they said
When did they come home?

839
00:44:49,404 --> 00:44:52,929
They said they found you in Avalon.

840
00:44:52,930 --> 00:44:54,174
They told me what was wrong
with you.

841
00:44:54,175 --> 00:44:58,008
Did you know something, did you know
someone and

842
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:00,992
this...

843
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:06,979
you were crying, shaking and
everything else.

844
00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:08,745
They asked me if you
had used drugs before

845
00:45:08,746 --> 00:45:10,030
and I said yes.

846
00:45:14,498 --> 00:45:15,949
They wanted to know if you
had a record

847
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:17,950
and what else could I
tell them, but yes.

848
00:45:19,052 --> 00:45:21,243
Bobby, you have to be stopped
somehow

849
00:45:21,244 --> 00:45:23,115
with this drug business.

850
00:45:23,116 --> 00:45:26,490
- I know that.
- I don't know how.

851
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:29,739
- I told you I already gave up

852
00:45:29,740 --> 00:45:31,340
but you don't believe me, do you?

853
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,228
- I always believe in you.

854
00:45:36,229 --> 00:45:37,299
- Yes?

855
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:40,200
- Then you turn around and
do something like that again.

856
00:45:41,879 --> 00:45:43,895
Did you sleep all day yesterday?

857
00:45:43,896 --> 00:45:48,453
- Well, I finally managed to sleep
around seven, I think.

858
00:45:48,454 --> 00:45:52,036
But I talked to some
Young Challenge people

859
00:45:52,037 --> 00:45:55,010
and they gave me a Bible and everything.

860
00:45:56,260 --> 00:45:58,534
- But Bob, they did
this before and you didn't

861
00:45:58,535 --> 00:45:59,979
took none of it away.

862
00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:03,000
- Well, that was before
of me freaking out and seeing myself

863
00:46:03,001 --> 00:46:04,434
going to hell too.

864
00:46:04,435 --> 00:46:08,539
- Now she says that
did not commit the crime

865
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:10,161
of shoplifting.

866
00:46:10,162 --> 00:46:11,790
Now let's go with this assumption and

867
00:46:12,891 --> 00:46:16,748
that what the child says is
true until proven otherwise.

868
00:46:16,749 --> 00:46:19,879
Now we also have a report
police officer here who says

869
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,429
that she was shoplifting.

870
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:25,279
So what am I going to do
is to release it for you

871
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,473
in the apparent link.

872
00:46:26,474 --> 00:46:29,149
You will receive a letter from us
in about two weeks

873
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:32,180
telling you when to bring it
back to court.

874
00:46:34,052 --> 00:46:36,709
This way, we can discover
what really happened.

875
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:39,808
Here again I would emphasize the point that

876
00:46:39,809 --> 00:46:42,970
since she says she is not guilty of this,

877
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:45,449
We can only believe what she says

878
00:46:45,450 --> 00:46:47,121
until she proves otherwise.

879
00:46:47,122 --> 00:46:49,886
Okay, that's why I say no
I would be extremely upset

880
00:46:49,887 --> 00:46:52,899
right now, not now,

881
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:56,379
it would be disturbing if
they actually proved

882
00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:58,770
that she was guilty of shoplifting.

883
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:12,590
Yes ma'am, Patricia Johnson,
please.

884
00:47:19,889 --> 00:47:21,789
- And this is my son, Robert Humphrey.

885
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,960
He went to the golf course
from Pinehill and took

886
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:33,200
about 79 or 80 dollars, I
I was counting, so I don't know

887
00:47:33,667 --> 00:47:37,859
the exact amount, man
Said it was 80 something dollars

888
00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:42,099
and then I gave it and he grabbed a gun.

889
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,998
I gave, called and discovered the
man's phone number

890
00:47:45,999 --> 00:47:48,509
and I called him and he came

891
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:51,869
and I gave it back to him.

892
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:54,849
Then he told me that the best
thing to do would be to take it

893
00:47:54,850 --> 00:47:56,660
in 'Minors' and

894
00:47:58,820 --> 00:47:59,799
let him...

895
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,171
- The man got them all
your properties back?

896
00:48:01,172 --> 00:48:02,459
- Yes, he did it.

897
00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:03,549
I gave it back to him.

898
00:48:03,550 --> 00:48:08,439
- At Pinehill golf course.

899
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,589
Okay, you want to sign a petition

900
00:48:11,590 --> 00:48:12,962
an indiscipline petition?

901
00:48:12,963 --> 00:48:16,116
- Well, what was I wanting to do,

902
00:48:16,117 --> 00:48:19,367
I wanted some information
about what to do

903
00:48:20,509 --> 00:48:25,509
because I don't want him to
give in to this kind of thing

904
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,969
and I wanted to, you know, see a counselor

905
00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:32,832
- and talk to him.
- We will be happy to help.

906
00:48:32,833 --> 00:48:33,989
- So they could
tell me, you know,

907
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:35,801
the best thing to do about it,

908
00:48:35,802 --> 00:48:39,040
you know I work all
days and my husband also works and

909
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:46,077
so I can't stay in
Marries him all the time.

910
00:48:46,078 --> 00:48:47,314
- Is Robert giving you problems?

911
00:48:47,315 --> 00:48:51,453
- No, until yesterday,
I was off yesterday.

912
00:48:51,454 --> 00:48:53,516
This did not happen while
I was at work,

913
00:48:53,517 --> 00:48:56,208
happened and I was at home,

914
00:48:56,209 --> 00:48:59,390
but I didn't miss him for five minutes.

915
00:48:59,391 --> 00:49:01,969
- Well, let one of mine
counselors listen to this information

916
00:49:01,970 --> 00:49:04,046
of you and then let's
receive a petition from you

917
00:49:04,047 --> 00:49:05,960
for this...

918
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,749
You are asking the court for help.

919
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:11,319
Basically that's it, you
not trying to send it

920
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,959
to reform school or something.

921
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,663
You are just asking the court for help.

922
00:49:14,664 --> 00:49:16,643
We will assign an officer
of probation to the case.

923
00:49:16,644 --> 00:49:19,362
The probation officer
will work with you and Robert.

924
00:49:19,363 --> 00:49:21,444
If necessary, we will put it
on parole.

925
00:49:21,445 --> 00:49:24,047
He's lucky the police didn't catch him,

926
00:49:24,048 --> 00:49:27,678
because you would have a crime
and this is really serious.

927
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:31,175
- When he is old enough,
he wants to go to the Army.

928
00:49:31,176 --> 00:49:35,970
So I don't want him to have

929
00:49:35,971 --> 00:49:38,160
police record, you know.

930
00:49:38,161 --> 00:49:41,609
- You will do it the way
right, then there is no problem.

931
00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:45,009
Let me take you to one of
counselor's offices

932
00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:48,700
and we will place one of them immediately.

933
00:49:55,690 --> 00:49:57,229
- I wanted to ask some questions.

934
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:59,850
You know I told you on the phone that

935
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,709
our biggest complaint was, the
lack of restrictions,

936
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:08,399
unsupervised, which surprises me.

937
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,259
- Yes, I know that's what you said.

938
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:13,089
- Of course we all know that
a child really thinks

939
00:50:13,090 --> 00:50:15,099
who are loved if they have
many restrictions

940
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:16,300
and if they don't.

941
00:50:17,260 --> 00:50:18,910
But is this true?

942
00:50:18,911 --> 00:50:21,932
She can run
Practically alone?

943
00:50:21,933 --> 00:50:24,510
- No, no, you can't.

944
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,949
Now, in the last three or
four weeks we were

945
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:30,669
allowing her, you know

946
00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:32,743
like when we took her
for a movie or something.

947
00:50:32,744 --> 00:50:34,311
Just like Saturday night when she,

948
00:50:34,312 --> 00:50:38,203
...that came up, I took her skateboarding.

949
00:50:38,204 --> 00:50:39,760
I should get her.

950
00:50:39,761 --> 00:50:43,359
She won't, you know,
getting into cars with other children

951
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,814
and run away or something.

952
00:50:44,815 --> 00:50:48,388
- We let her do it
as much as, you know,

953
00:50:48,389 --> 00:50:50,199
What does a 14 year old do?

954
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,465
- We think she should.

955
00:50:51,466 --> 00:50:53,549
- What is your relationship with her since?

956
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:54,979
that you are her stepfather?

957
00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:57,100
How long have you been married?

958
00:50:57,101 --> 00:50:59,340
- Six and a half, six years in November.

959
00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:01,620
- So she is...

960
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:05,560
You've been with her since you were eight.

961
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,884
- Which is, well, more than you know.

962
00:51:10,885 --> 00:51:14,491
- About a year, year
and a half before that.

963
00:51:14,492 --> 00:51:15,845
- How do you feel about her?

964
00:51:15,846 --> 00:51:18,298
As a father or just as
a responsibility?

965
00:51:18,299 --> 00:51:21,549
- I feel like a father.

966
00:51:23,503 --> 00:51:25,519
- And this case when she claimed

967
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,299
that you've made progress
sexual towards her?

968
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:29,430
- Well, that's not true.

969
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:32,752
- Do you have any
idea of what made her

970
00:51:32,753 --> 00:51:34,636
invent something like that?

971
00:51:34,637 --> 00:51:35,799
- No, I don't have it.

972
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,909
- When I bring her here,

973
00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:40,551
I'll make her explain
all this on the table.

974
00:51:40,552 --> 00:51:44,299
I told her the other day
that I felt she was

975
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:45,612
very forward to

976
00:51:45,613 --> 00:51:48,889
cut your wrists and other things
to bother you

977
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:50,509
and she admitted it.

978
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:54,831
- Yes, but you know, it could kill her.

979
00:51:54,832 --> 00:51:56,058
I don't think she wants to die.

980
00:51:56,059 --> 00:51:59,686
No, because when she
cut his wrist that night

981
00:51:59,687 --> 00:52:02,459
the first thing she did
went down the road.

982
00:52:02,460 --> 00:52:05,306
We were at the house
my daughter and she lives

983
00:52:05,307 --> 00:52:07,749
just over the hill from
from a service station

984
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:09,109
This is on the road.

985
00:52:09,110 --> 00:52:10,549
She ran straight down the road

986
00:52:10,550 --> 00:52:11,784
where people could see her.

987
00:52:11,785 --> 00:52:16,040
So apparently she knew
that I would get help.

988
00:52:17,570 --> 00:52:18,759
- Well, that's what I told her.

989
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,393
I told her, said I could
have gone a little deeper.

990
00:52:22,394 --> 00:52:25,959
- But then she threatens me,
who will do that again

991
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,099
if I don't let her do this and
that.

992
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:28,269
- We talked about that too.

993
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:32,299
Let me go get it and
see what kind of attitude

994
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:33,749
she has today.

995
00:52:54,833 --> 00:52:55,750
- Surprise!

996
00:52:57,435 --> 00:52:58,352
Oh, mommy!

997
00:53:01,164 --> 00:53:02,614
I want to go home!

998
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,590
- Okay, she wants to talk to us.

999
00:53:15,502 --> 00:53:16,669
Okay, sit down.

1000
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,589
- Are you ready to get out of here?

1001
00:53:28,590 --> 00:53:31,232
- I want to go home.

1002
00:53:31,233 --> 00:53:33,260
- Do you want it, why?

1003
00:53:33,261 --> 00:53:35,025
You told me the other day no.

1004
00:53:35,026 --> 00:53:37,169
- But I want it!

1005
00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:38,002
- Why?

1006
00:53:38,003 --> 00:53:39,050
- I don't know.

1007
00:53:40,041 --> 00:53:40,999
I just want to go home.

1008
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,239
- Just to get out of here?

1009
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,410
- No, I just want to go to
home, try again.

1010
00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:51,010
- Well Anita, that's exactly why
that we kept you here so long.

1011
00:53:53,034 --> 00:53:55,534
Your home is the place to solve
your problems.

1012
00:53:57,500 --> 00:54:00,451
You want everyone to solve
your problems

1013
00:54:00,515 --> 00:54:02,725
But it has to start with you.

1014
00:54:03,028 --> 00:54:06,060
Let's talk about some things
now here at the table.

1015
00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:12,163
I want the three of them to be sincere
with me and with you.

1016
00:54:12,948 --> 00:54:17,133
The other day you told me that your
parents don't care about you.

1017
00:54:17,229 --> 00:54:20,605
Tell me why you think that.

1018
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:22,152
I don't know.

1019
00:54:22,623 --> 00:54:25,713
I don't want to hear that for an answer,
Anita.

1020
00:54:27,882 --> 00:54:30,943
Why do you think they don't
do you care?

1021
00:54:42,851 --> 00:54:44,212
I don't know.

1022
00:54:44,723 --> 00:54:48,439
You can't go home
until we fix everything.

1023
00:54:48,915 --> 00:54:52,109
This will help you get back
home.

1024
00:54:55,261 --> 00:54:58,409
Don't they give you enough material things?

1025
00:54:58,522 --> 00:55:02,781
Yes, they give everything I ask.

1026
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:06,915
That's not very good.
Are you a spoiled girl?

1027
00:55:08,087 --> 00:55:09,113
Yes...

1028
00:55:14,081 --> 00:55:16,963
Why do you think they don't care?

1029
00:55:17,767 --> 00:55:20,090
Do you know what I think?

1030
00:55:20,605 --> 00:55:26,762
One day you rebelled because
didn't like certain rules.

1031
00:55:27,307 --> 00:55:31,060
If you behave like this...
This can happen to anyone.

1032
00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:36,241
If you get depressed about something
and let it live inside you

1033
00:55:36,452 --> 00:55:41,041
In the end it seems so much worse in your mind
than what it really is.

1034
00:55:41,222 --> 00:55:43,415
I think that's what happened.

1035
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:48,018
There's no reason for you to stay
so bad.

1036
00:55:48,906 --> 00:55:52,258
What was that you said about your
stepfather

1037
00:55:52,354 --> 00:55:55,789
when he said he tried to advance
sexually on you?

1038
00:55:55,886 --> 00:55:59,606
He followed me around the house and
played with his hands.

1039
00:56:01,708 --> 00:56:04,387
- Do you keep that as true?
- He did,

1040
00:56:04,467 --> 00:56:07,024
I don't know what I intended,
but he did.

1041
00:56:08,467 --> 00:56:10,422
You did... is it true?

1042
00:56:11,205 --> 00:56:14,822
Well, I touched her yes, but no
like this.

1043
00:56:18,174 --> 00:56:19,762
- I...
- I screamed.

1044
00:56:19,857 --> 00:56:22,740
How am I going to do something like this?
What did you say?

1045
00:56:22,837 --> 00:56:26,190
I screamed and they heard me.

1046
00:56:27,110 --> 00:56:29,288
Then she came.

1047
00:56:30,023 --> 00:56:34,877
- But you said it didn't happen.
- He said he didn't know what he wanted.

1048
00:56:37,277 --> 00:56:42,010
- What do you think he intended?
- When it happened...

1049
00:56:42,105 --> 00:56:45,119
...I was paralyzed,
I didn't know what to do.

1050
00:56:45,838 --> 00:56:48,260
That's what happened first
over my head.

1051
00:56:49,113 --> 00:56:54,158
I would like to know if this story

1052
00:56:54,285 --> 00:56:59,641
...it's because all my life
She knew that her father...

1053
00:57:00,312 --> 00:57:04,358
Do you know what happened?
They accused him of incest.

1054
00:57:04,501 --> 00:57:08,847
She knows and has heard gossip her whole life.

1055
00:57:09,664 --> 00:57:14,158
Do you think that's why
were you nervous and thought that about him?

1056
00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:15,933
I don't know.

1057
00:57:16,376 --> 00:57:20,011
I know. Since then, before
this episode, always...

1058
00:57:20,107 --> 00:57:23,131
they play together, she sits
on your knees

1059
00:57:23,731 --> 00:57:26,522
It seems to me that if she were afraid
real

1060
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:30,518
- ...I wouldn't act like that.
- When did you say this happened?

1061
00:57:30,566 --> 00:57:34,276
It's been about two years. Almost that.
It will be two years in the summer.

1062
00:57:35,105 --> 00:57:37,917
Good morning. Juvenile Court,
thank you.

1063
00:57:40,709 --> 00:57:42,399
Good morning. Juvenile Court.

1064
00:57:42,527 --> 00:57:45,550
Is it about straightening a minor?
Thanks.

1065
00:57:46,566 --> 00:57:48,190
Good morning. Juvenile Court.

1066
00:57:48,828 --> 00:57:51,513
Is it about payments, ma'am? Thanks.

1067
00:58:04,846 --> 00:58:06,835
I know your mother and father,

1068
00:58:07,246 --> 00:58:09,832
because I was with them...

1069
00:58:10,447 --> 00:58:12,222
...in several programs.

1070
00:58:14,187 --> 00:58:16,984
Your mother told me

1071
00:58:17,436 --> 00:58:20,377
...about certain problems.

1072
00:58:21,881 --> 00:58:24,927
When she knew it was the chaplain
of the Juvenile Court,

1073
00:58:25,163 --> 00:58:27,484
naturally she came to me

1074
00:58:28,176 --> 00:58:32,548
...and asked me to see you.
Not to talk,

1075
00:58:32,645 --> 00:58:35,377
just to see you.
Do you know what she told me?

1076
00:58:36,311 --> 00:58:40,281
She said, "Tell Lisa I love her."

1077
00:58:43,646 --> 00:58:45,258
That's the message...

1078
00:58:46,898 --> 00:58:50,129
...that she asked me to pass on to you.
What do you think?

1079
00:58:51,123 --> 00:58:52,749
Well, I don't know.

1080
00:58:53,361 --> 00:58:54,636
You...

1081
00:58:55,988 --> 00:58:57,993
...is closer to her father
or your mother?

1082
00:58:58,474 --> 00:59:00,040
I don't know how to decide.

1083
00:59:00,228 --> 00:59:03,860
I don't feel very close to
neither of them.

1084
00:59:04,664 --> 00:59:06,113
What happened...

1085
00:59:06,427 --> 00:59:08,975
- ...why a girl of 15, 16...?
- 14 years old.

1086
00:59:09,055 --> 00:59:13,400
14... to say you feel
distant.

1087
00:59:13,463 --> 00:59:17,572
What happened, Lisa, in
a situation like this

1088
00:59:17,635 --> 00:59:20,912
with a young lady like you?
What happened at home?

1089
00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:25,624
Well, I don't know, but it destroys you.

1090
00:59:26,054 --> 00:59:29,563
It's little by little, and you
start thinking otherwise.

1091
00:59:31,245 --> 00:59:32,995
I don't know.

1092
00:59:33,219 --> 00:59:36,066
It just seems like a very
lonely sometimes, you know

1093
00:59:36,146 --> 00:59:39,954
You want someone to talk to, but,
most of the time...

1094
00:59:40,066 --> 00:59:44,293
the psychiatrist says there is no solution
for the problem

1095
00:59:44,373 --> 00:59:46,782
which should keep your mind healthy.

1096
00:59:48,063 --> 00:59:50,690
Maybe like the school teacher
catechesis on Sundays

1097
00:59:50,787 --> 00:59:53,985
...says he can't help you
for being a minor.

1098
00:59:54,384 --> 00:59:56,334
That's what I hear from them.

1099
00:59:57,825 --> 01:00:01,628
I don't understand why people
They don't talk to us.

1100
01:00:01,708 --> 01:00:05,756
Those who speak don't have much
experience

1101
01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:11,885
- ...and the advice is not good.
- These things...

1102
01:00:13,634 --> 01:00:16,482
...are part of the problems of
life, Lisa.

1103
01:00:16,747 --> 01:00:20,126
With just an arrangement of words
things don't work out.

1104
01:00:20,224 --> 01:00:22,511
It's not like that.

1105
01:00:24,252 --> 01:00:27,323
No... it's not easy.

1106
01:00:27,801 --> 01:00:29,402
All stand.

1107
01:00:29,498 --> 01:00:33,028
We begin another trial
of the Tennessee Juvenile Court

1108
01:00:33,123 --> 01:00:36,790
Judge Kenneth A. Turner will continue.
Sit down, please.

1109
01:00:39,697 --> 01:00:43,812
- Next case.
- The next case is that of Robert Duane Young.

1110
01:00:43,908 --> 01:00:45,084
Stand up, Robert.

1111
01:00:45,501 --> 01:00:48,964
He is accused of possession
and selling LSD.

1112
01:00:49,076 --> 01:00:51,295
Mr. Leno defends the young man...

1113
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:54,831
...and Agent Williams,
of Narcotics, will summarize.

1114
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:58,331
- Your Honor, he rejects the charges.
- Charges denied.

1115
01:00:59,703 --> 01:01:02,889
In November 1971,

1116
01:01:03,952 --> 01:01:05,904
the defendant, Robert Young,

1117
01:01:06,315 --> 01:01:13,292
sold LSD to two agents
civilians on Highland Strip.

1118
01:01:14,581 --> 01:01:18,928
Tablet samples
sold by Young...

1119
01:01:19,008 --> 01:01:21,402
...were taken to the
University of Tennessee.

1120
01:01:21,941 --> 01:01:26,077
The results of
first pill were:

1121
01:01:26,288 --> 01:01:30,444
"The brown pill contains
lysergic acid".

1122
01:01:31,213 --> 01:01:32,641
The results of
second pill were:

1123
01:01:32,737 --> 01:01:36,897
"The brown pill contains
lysergic acid".

1124
01:01:37,817 --> 01:01:40,466
This event took place on Highland Street.

1125
01:01:43,769 --> 01:01:46,584
- Say your name, please.
- W. Williams.

1126
01:01:48,507 --> 01:01:51,321
- Agent, are you a captain?
- Detective.

1127
01:01:51,401 --> 01:01:52,945
Detective Williams, it's okay.

1128
01:01:53,042 --> 01:01:56,201
What you know is what others
people told you, right?

1129
01:01:56,281 --> 01:02:00,726
- Yes sir.
- So neither you nor anyone else here...

1130
01:02:00,839 --> 01:02:03,347
...was present when
the alleged sale took place.

1131
01:02:03,421 --> 01:02:04,641
No, sir.

1132
01:02:05,598 --> 01:02:10,482
- You didn't witness the sale.
- No, sir, I didn't witness it.

1133
01:02:11,034 --> 01:02:14,149
This is a case of "probable cause."

1134
01:02:14,802 --> 01:02:16,809
Mr. Bostick, there's a reason...

1135
01:02:16,889 --> 01:02:20,483
...so that this court does not
has jurisdiction in the case of the young person,

1136
01:02:20,563 --> 01:02:24,977
who has been to the
Tennessee Department of Corrections...

1137
01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:29,573
...and which is currently
on parole?

1138
01:02:30,676 --> 01:02:35,125
Your Honor, there is no reason why
the court has no jurisdiction.

1139
01:02:35,471 --> 01:02:39,816
Because of his age,
history and everything,

1140
01:02:40,335 --> 01:02:43,770
the Juvenile Court
has little hope.

1141
01:02:43,835 --> 01:02:46,846
We can't do
So much for this guy.

1142
01:02:47,166 --> 01:02:48,506
He...

1143
01:02:49,561 --> 01:02:51,833
I think the help he will receive,

1144
01:02:52,090 --> 01:02:58,044
will be better managed by
criminal justice system.

1145
01:02:58,298 --> 01:03:01,143
I have a point, Your Honor,

1146
01:03:01,287 --> 01:03:04,965
to protect Robert
of this assumption.

1147
01:03:05,126 --> 01:03:07,406
There was no...

1148
01:03:07,503 --> 01:03:12,042
...nor conclusive evidence of
police were presented...

1149
01:03:12,171 --> 01:03:15,072
...from the state of Tennessee.

1150
01:03:16,534 --> 01:03:20,011
Everything is based on rumors.
Detective Williams...

1151
01:03:20,947 --> 01:03:25,158
...said he did not witness the sale,

1152
01:03:25,254 --> 01:03:30,373
that everything he knows him
was communicated by third parties.

1153
01:03:30,569 --> 01:03:32,208
Therefore...

1154
01:03:33,031 --> 01:03:36,062
...according to the Constitution,
in Robert's case,

1155
01:03:36,777 --> 01:03:40,981
the accusers should
be here in court.

1156
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,716
As they are not, I ask the court
to drop the charges against him.

1157
01:03:47,827 --> 01:03:52,846
There is no evidence to convict him,
nor for a case of “probable cause.”

1158
01:03:53,074 --> 01:03:56,459
I know you don't consider this
case individually, Mr. Leno,

1159
01:03:56,639 --> 01:04:02,567
but I would like to know why
that you did not send proof.

1160
01:04:02,979 --> 01:04:06,232
Our men still
are in operation.

1161
01:04:06,327 --> 01:04:09,056
- We can't present them yet.
- I understand.

1162
01:04:09,409 --> 01:04:14,624
Excellence, with all
respect for civil agents,

1163
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,732
if they want to take someone
for a trial,

1164
01:04:17,828 --> 01:04:21,145
they have to go to the bottom
and face...

1165
01:04:23,306 --> 01:04:27,380
...Robert with his testimony.

1166
01:04:27,924 --> 01:04:30,320
Who is this young man
who raises his hand?

1167
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,248
Do you want to say something?
What is it called?

1168
01:04:32,311 --> 01:04:35,075
- I want to say something.
- Who are you?

1169
01:04:35,155 --> 01:04:37,425
My name is Jay Knowles,
I work with Desafio Jovem.

1170
01:04:38,210 --> 01:04:43,580
I used drugs for 5 years and the
Detective Williams stopped me.

1171
01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:45,387
I...

1172
01:04:46,659 --> 01:04:51,629
...I joined the Youth Challenge
5 months and it changed my life.

1173
01:04:51,741 --> 01:04:55,459
There is no drug that I don't
have tried it, I was lost.

1174
01:04:55,699 --> 01:04:57,948
But when I connected with Jesus,

1175
01:04:58,693 --> 01:05:01,334
He answered me and filled out
the emptiness in my life.

1176
01:05:01,399 --> 01:05:05,174
It's what Robert needed,
The Lord came into his life.

1177
01:05:05,238 --> 01:05:10,094
I ask you to allow
let him join our program.

1178
01:05:10,558 --> 01:05:13,562
Have you stolen cars or committed
other robberies, Mr. Knowles?

1179
01:05:13,642 --> 01:05:15,198
- Yes sir.
- Have you done this too?

1180
01:05:15,278 --> 01:05:19,745
Yes sir. I've been through prisons and
psychiatric hospitals across the country.

1181
01:05:19,841 --> 01:05:22,805
- I was arrested for...
- Stand up.

1182
01:05:23,218 --> 01:05:28,030
My name is Robert Monzer and if you look
for my yellow report or whatever they call it,

1183
01:05:28,109 --> 01:05:31,578
in New York they call it that,
but it's the FBI report,

1184
01:05:31,658 --> 01:05:36,648
I was arrested for selling
drugs, heroin,

1185
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:40,191
I committed robberies with weapons,
assaults and robberies.

1186
01:05:40,288 --> 01:05:43,294
Jesus is the solution to
this boy's life.

1187
01:05:43,668 --> 01:05:48,424
After touching God and that
Jesus came into my life,

1188
01:05:48,787 --> 01:05:52,885
I went to university.
I didn't even finish high school.

1189
01:05:52,981 --> 01:05:57,554
I had destroyed my life...
I stole cars.

1190
01:05:58,013 --> 01:05:59,244
It was...

1191
01:06:00,084 --> 01:06:02,807
It was a beast in
streets of New York.

1192
01:06:03,315 --> 01:06:08,327
I know that Jesus can change lives.
That's why I'm asking the court...

1193
01:06:08,571 --> 01:06:13,207
...let them see that this
option is still valid.

1194
01:06:13,419 --> 01:06:15,791
If there is permission to
join our program,

1195
01:06:16,408 --> 01:06:19,461
I think we're going to change
this man's life...

1196
01:06:19,783 --> 01:06:24,137
...and let's make it beneficial
for society, instead of...

1197
01:06:24,748 --> 01:06:26,484
If you look at my yellow report,

1198
01:06:26,597 --> 01:06:31,684
you will see that I was arrested
more than 20 times.

1199
01:06:31,843 --> 01:06:35,066
Robberies, assaults, house robberies...

1200
01:06:35,502 --> 01:06:38,322
...all for drugs.
But Jesus changed my life.

1201
01:06:38,419 --> 01:06:40,440
I was on the same program.

1202
01:06:40,584 --> 01:06:45,931
Now I am legally a pastor and
I have been with Jesus for 4 and a half years.

1203
01:06:45,995 --> 01:06:49,523
I haven't tried heroin,
not marijuana,

1204
01:06:49,618 --> 01:06:52,750
I didn't drink wine or whiskey...

1205
01:06:53,011 --> 01:06:57,781
This is what Jesus can do and what
Young Challenge represents.

1206
01:06:58,141 --> 01:07:02,714
Everyone speaks in Robert's name,
but he didn't open his mouth yet.

1207
01:07:05,901 --> 01:07:09,893
Well, when they stopped me...

1208
01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:13,040
...I tried to kill myself...

1209
01:07:13,308 --> 01:07:17,943
...and when I passed from the top,
I saw that drugs are not the solution.

1210
01:07:18,232 --> 01:07:22,055
I have to improve my life.

1211
01:07:22,986 --> 01:07:26,089
I asked permission to speak
with a preacher...

1212
01:07:26,169 --> 01:07:30,325
...and Robert came with another
man and talked to them.

1213
01:07:31,869 --> 01:07:35,729
They asked me to accept Jesus
and I have worked with them.

1214
01:07:36,413 --> 01:07:39,077
The charges are very serious, Robert,

1215
01:07:39,173 --> 01:07:42,098
we can't allow you
sell drugs to children.

1216
01:07:43,251 --> 01:07:47,979
If I have to send a thousand like you to
the chain, so that this doesn't happen,

1217
01:07:48,107 --> 01:07:50,729
I'm willing to do it.
- Yes sir.

1218
01:07:50,957 --> 01:07:56,559
You don't give me half the pain of
children to whom he sells drugs.

1219
01:07:56,980 --> 01:07:57,952
Have you ever thought about this?

1220
01:07:58,756 --> 01:08:01,073
No, sir,
because I didn't sell drugs.

1221
01:08:02,357 --> 01:08:04,863
The police say they have
evidence for this.

1222
01:08:05,487 --> 01:08:10,742
Just got out of psychiatric
and was at home with hepatitis.

1223
01:08:13,643 --> 01:08:16,179
Are there any questions about the tests,
Mr. Williams?

1224
01:08:16,571 --> 01:08:21,499
The secret police report,
which has been in operation for months,

1225
01:08:21,607 --> 01:08:24,260
says they met
Bobby personally.

1226
01:08:28,398 --> 01:08:31,929
The pills they bought...

1227
01:08:32,752 --> 01:08:37,122
...Bobby, they had lysergic acid.

1228
01:08:39,576 --> 01:08:45,522
Can you bring these witnesses
to verify this purchase?

1229
01:08:47,010 --> 01:08:48,685
When we bring it to light, yes.

1230
01:08:49,149 --> 01:08:51,122
But we can't do that now.

1231
01:08:52,918 --> 01:08:54,249
They are still in operation.

1232
01:08:55,763 --> 01:09:00,184
It seems to me that Robert Young does not
feel a lot of regret...

1233
01:09:00,265 --> 01:09:08,946
...and how he will meet the Lord
if I'm not sincere in this court?

1234
01:09:10,466 --> 01:09:12,728
I believe that...

1235
01:09:15,952 --> 01:09:18,387
...as Mr. Leno said,

1236
01:09:18,485 --> 01:09:21,751
Today we are not judging the facts.

1237
01:09:21,848 --> 01:09:24,453
The question to be determined
by this court,

1238
01:09:24,582 --> 01:09:27,404
is if we keep
jurisdiction of the case...

1239
01:09:27,501 --> 01:09:31,963
...or if we consider Robert Young
to be tried as an adult.

1240
01:09:32,075 --> 01:09:35,637
In these procedures,
we don't need to see...

1241
01:09:36,069 --> 01:09:40,460
...all the necessary evidence
for a conviction. Do you understand?

1242
01:09:44,128 --> 01:09:47,979
The fact is that Robert Young
rejects the accusations.

1243
01:09:49,891 --> 01:09:53,880
If he's innocent, then...

1244
01:09:53,981 --> 01:09:57,936
...must go to trial.

1245
01:09:58,552 --> 01:10:01,804
And the right place for that is to be in front of
a jury, in a criminal court.

1246
01:10:02,297 --> 01:10:06,402
On the other hand, if you
plead guilty to the charges...

1247
01:10:07,269 --> 01:10:10,213
...and want, as they said,

1248
01:10:10,831 --> 01:10:13,883
accept Jesus and change your life...

1249
01:10:14,063 --> 01:10:17,899
...and you no longer need to present evidence,
in this court or any other

1250
01:10:18,042 --> 01:10:23,721
Mr. Monzer's proposal
could be considered.

1251
01:10:23,995 --> 01:10:26,934
But it's not something that can
be considered...

1252
01:10:27,031 --> 01:10:29,043
...when you have to look
for the evidence.

1253
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:32,970
You need to examine the evidence
to see if he is innocent or guilty.

1254
01:10:33,083 --> 01:10:36,920
He says he's not guilty of selling LSD...

1255
01:10:37,303 --> 01:10:38,677
...and possession,

1256
01:10:38,966 --> 01:10:42,149
Therefore, it is the jury
which must determine,

1257
01:10:42,246 --> 01:10:45,531
before we can
decide anything.

1258
01:10:45,757 --> 01:10:47,379
- Do you understand me?
- We understand.

1259
01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:51,593
If he says he's innocent,
so we must prove it.

1260
01:10:51,937 --> 01:10:53,493
But let the State do it.

1261
01:10:53,668 --> 01:10:55,298
If the State finds you guilty,

1262
01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:59,908
then it will be decided which path to follow,

1263
01:10:59,972 --> 01:11:04,357
but I can't do that,
I would stay ahead of the facts...

1264
01:11:05,247 --> 01:11:08,925
...if I make a decision before
be determined about your innocence.

1265
01:11:09,146 --> 01:11:12,486
I already said that this court
does not determine your innocence,

1266
01:11:12,533 --> 01:11:16,257
it just determines whether it continues
with the jurisdiction of the case,

1267
01:11:16,384 --> 01:11:20,830
If he can be treated as a minor...

1268
01:11:21,702 --> 01:11:24,116
...under the jurisdiction of
Juvenile Court,

1269
01:11:24,211 --> 01:11:27,479
with parole or
reformatory as options.

1270
01:11:27,699 --> 01:11:32,572
You have the right to prove that you are
innocent in all courts.

1271
01:11:32,844 --> 01:11:36,376
As this court has already sent
Robert twice...

1272
01:11:36,612 --> 01:11:38,392
...to reform school...

1273
01:11:39,713 --> 01:11:42,564
...and given the age and
seriousness of the accusations,

1274
01:11:42,658 --> 01:11:47,555
This court believes that
it is the jury who must decide.

1275
01:11:47,895 --> 01:11:50,909
Do you want to add something to
Department

1276
01:11:50,938 --> 01:11:53,979
- Mr. Wittaker?
- I've known him for two years,

1277
01:11:54,758 --> 01:11:59,448
I don't think I betray your trust if
say that LSD is a delicate thing,

1278
01:11:59,528 --> 01:12:01,599
since he admits
sell other things,

1279
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:04,710
but not LSD, this time.

1280
01:12:04,969 --> 01:12:09,551
So I took him to court,
because he himself admitted it.

1281
01:12:09,599 --> 01:12:13,941
I think they can help you more
with farm prison programs...

1282
01:12:14,037 --> 01:12:19,798
...or adult prisons, because
I don't think juvie helps you.

1283
01:12:20,953 --> 01:12:24,382
Bobby told me the other day that he had
sold other things on the street,

1284
01:12:24,445 --> 01:12:26,605
But not LSD this time.

1285
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:31,040
It's a delicate issue,
That's why I took him to trial.

1286
01:12:32,006 --> 01:12:33,145
Yes.

1287
01:12:33,638 --> 01:12:37,903
I'm not here to condemn Bobby,
But I spoke to him...

1288
01:12:37,967 --> 01:12:43,042
...and he accepts that they help him, but if
If they don't help him, he'll get back on track.

1289
01:12:43,154 --> 01:12:47,315
That's why I don't think the
Youth Challenge program...

1290
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,674
...help Bobby a lot.

1291
01:12:49,785 --> 01:12:52,415
He will be with them while
they are on top of him,

1292
01:12:52,513 --> 01:12:57,230
but the day they are not there,
will return to the same steps.

1293
01:12:57,922 --> 01:13:02,714
I think he needs one
strict program for adults,

1294
01:13:02,811 --> 01:13:07,120
to work with him
on an individual level.

1295
01:13:10,051 --> 01:13:15,364
I will not comment on the
Robert Young's innocence.

1296
01:13:15,458 --> 01:13:17,803
- You reject the accusations, don't you?
- Yes sir.

1297
01:13:17,882 --> 01:13:19,312
Reject the accusations.

1298
01:13:19,681 --> 01:13:21,327
I renounce jurisdiction...

1299
01:13:21,391 --> 01:13:26,602
...and I will let the State decide
about the accusations made.

1300
01:13:27,155 --> 01:13:31,236
- Being judged as an adult.
- Your Honor, what's the bail?

1301
01:13:37,687 --> 01:13:41,285
How about a bail bond?
$1,000, Mr. Williams?

1302
01:13:41,725 --> 01:13:44,861
- Yes, Your Honor.
- Okay...

1303
01:13:46,326 --> 01:13:47,908
A $1,000 bond.

1304
01:13:48,336 --> 01:13:51,092
Let our objections remain
recorded in minutes.

1305
01:13:57,071 --> 01:13:57,959
Next case.

1306
01:13:58,135 --> 01:14:01,445
Your Honor, next
case is that of James Brown.

1307
01:14:01,912 --> 01:14:03,675
Mrs Thornton,
I am Eleanor Henderson,

1308
01:14:03,770 --> 01:14:06,341
from the youth hostel
of the Juvenile Court.

1309
01:14:06,465 --> 01:14:09,206
I work with Mr. Gray
at Children's Hostel...

1310
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:12,264
...and his name is on the
list of parent volunteers...

1311
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:17,162
Now we have two children,
a girl and a boy.

1312
01:14:17,785 --> 01:14:22,829
You could take care of them for a season,
being preschool children?

1313
01:14:25,538 --> 01:14:27,767
Can you do us this favor?

1314
01:14:29,311 --> 01:14:32,422
Yes, just a moment, I'll find out.

1315
01:14:32,519 --> 01:14:33,559
One moment.

1316
01:15:07,611 --> 01:15:08,735
Hi...

1317
01:15:09,633 --> 01:15:12,705
- Cynthia, she is Mrs. Thornton.
- Hello.

1318
01:15:12,768 --> 01:15:16,673
She is Cynthia and he is Craig.
He just woke up.

1319
01:15:16,979 --> 01:15:18,392
- Hello.
- He's sleeping.

1320
01:15:18,473 --> 01:15:21,214
- Hi, big guy.
- Say hello.

1321
01:15:21,854 --> 01:15:26,410
I explained to Cynthia that they
will spend holidays with you,

1322
01:15:26,506 --> 01:15:28,370
until they can
go back with your mother.

1323
01:15:28,708 --> 01:15:30,203
She understands well.

1324
01:15:30,345 --> 01:15:34,496
We have some gifts,
Cynthia, in those bags.

1325
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,743
We also have clothes.
Accordingly?

1326
01:15:37,839 --> 01:15:42,023
We also have gifts for you, Craig.
I walk her to the car.

1327
01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:44,442
- He is well.
- And...

1328
01:15:45,161 --> 01:15:48,487
Let's see. She knows how to shake hands.
You can...

1329
01:15:49,185 --> 01:15:51,197
Let's see, put on your jackets.

1330
01:15:51,295 --> 01:15:53,979
- Is that your coat?
- Come on, big guy.

1331
01:15:56,140 --> 01:16:00,021
Craig, can you catch up, son?
Good boy.

1332
01:16:01,326 --> 01:16:02,847
It's cool.

1333
01:16:03,748 --> 01:16:06,289
It's cool,
but the car is close.

1334
01:16:09,381 --> 01:16:11,521
Put the other hand.

1335
01:16:12,326 --> 01:16:13,976
- Push.
- What a big girl.

1336
01:16:14,344 --> 01:16:16,692
- You knew?
- Good boy.

1337
01:16:19,364 --> 01:16:21,628
You are brave.

1338
01:16:21,968 --> 01:16:24,175
When you return, you will know how to play football.

1339
01:16:25,377 --> 01:16:26,857
Mrs Lisbeth?

1340
01:16:27,062 --> 01:16:29,217
I'm Dennis Housman from
Juvenile Court.

1341
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:32,805
His son Joseph was arrested
and accused by the police...

1342
01:16:32,886 --> 01:16:34,404
...for escaping in Memphis,

1343
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:38,358
since there was no one looking after him.

1344
01:16:38,827 --> 01:16:42,373
Joe said he had lost the
bus and was heading home.

1345
01:16:42,467 --> 01:16:47,913
They found him on the Highland Strip,
a well known place...

1346
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,036
...because of drug problems,
here in Memphis.

1347
01:16:52,796 --> 01:16:56,594
Let's try to catch the bus
leaving Memphis...

1348
01:16:57,288 --> 01:16:59,978
...at 5:40 in the afternoon.

1349
01:17:01,225 --> 01:17:03,574
At 5:40 pm today.

1350
01:17:04,301 --> 01:17:07,551
He will arrive in Chicago
to 4:00 in the morning.

1351
01:17:08,137 --> 01:17:12,342
I'm afraid I must insist
to pick you up in Chicago.

1352
01:17:15,391 --> 01:17:18,877
Sit next to your father.
Tell him what happened.

1353
01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:21,695
What?

1354
01:17:22,327 --> 01:17:24,144
Tell your father what happened today.

1355
01:17:24,528 --> 01:17:27,965
They caught me stealing
a shirt at the Levine store.

1356
01:17:28,541 --> 01:17:29,830
That's all.

1357
01:17:35,292 --> 01:17:36,486
Right.

1358
01:17:38,462 --> 01:17:39,850
Terry Lee Wright

1359
01:17:41,022 --> 01:17:42,217
Terry Lee?

1360
01:17:48,366 --> 01:17:49,706
Sit down, please.

1361
01:17:50,507 --> 01:17:54,288
Your Excellency, the next case:
Thomas Allen Neal

1362
01:17:54,444 --> 01:17:56,950
Accused of assaulting a
girl under 12 years old,

1363
01:17:57,031 --> 01:18:00,344
- with sexual intentions.
- Please, Your Honor,

1364
01:18:00,424 --> 01:18:06,325
I have a special request.
I talked a little with the young man.

1365
01:18:07,106 --> 01:18:09,998
I ask this court for permission...

1366
01:18:10,287 --> 01:18:14,862
...to use a detector
of lies in the young man.

1367
01:18:15,215 --> 01:18:17,037
The lie detector...

1368
01:18:17,261 --> 01:18:22,369
...I think it's right,
because the young man says: "I didn't do it"...

1369
01:19:34,024 --> 01:19:36,920
- Is that a lie detector?
- Yes, Your Honor.

1370
01:19:37,384 --> 01:19:38,794
And...

1371
01:19:38,905 --> 01:19:43,502
...I consider interrogating
witnesses outside this room.

1372
01:19:43,944 --> 01:19:45,652
I suggest, Your Honor,

1373
01:19:45,781 --> 01:19:48,346
If the court prefers to speak...

1374
01:19:48,610 --> 01:19:51,374
...or question children
in other units...

1375
01:19:51,518 --> 01:19:53,295
...outside this room,

1376
01:19:54,350 --> 01:19:59,881
This way you will understand
what the children say.

1377
01:20:01,069 --> 01:20:04,533
I have experience in
matters of this nature...

1378
01:20:04,597 --> 01:20:09,181
...and also with the parents
in cases of divorce,

1379
01:20:09,421 --> 01:20:13,122
sometimes it is positive to separate them
parental influence...

1380
01:20:13,250 --> 01:20:18,934
...and so the court can
know the scope of the problem.

1381
01:20:19,547 --> 01:20:21,487
Let's do the following.

1382
01:20:22,383 --> 01:20:27,762
May the mother take the
girl to the spot.

1383
01:20:28,162 --> 01:20:31,854
I think it's a good idea if...

1384
01:20:33,302 --> 01:20:37,817
...if Mr. Freedman comes too,
with the probation officer...

1385
01:20:38,328 --> 01:20:41,636
...and then he will tell us
what happened.

1386
01:20:41,848 --> 01:20:45,064
Maybe mom can help us.

1387
01:20:46,293 --> 01:20:50,985
Let everyone remain seated,
we'll be back in a moment.

1388
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:10,349
Tell us what happened,
Mrs. Knightow.

1389
01:21:11,185 --> 01:21:13,184
We met Tommy...

1390
01:21:14,471 --> 01:21:19,112
We've met Tommy before
let him be a nanny.

1391
01:21:20,050 --> 01:21:23,881
We went to his house for classes
catechesis on Sundays.

1392
01:21:26,299 --> 01:21:29,323
I met his mother and I liked him.

1393
01:21:29,709 --> 01:21:30,898
Anyway...

1394
01:21:31,627 --> 01:21:33,747
...she accompanied me,

1395
01:21:33,859 --> 01:21:36,809
Because we are new here
and I don't know anyone.

1396
01:21:37,453 --> 01:21:40,817
When she told me to take
the children on Thursday,

1397
01:21:40,944 --> 01:21:45,474
I thought it was a lot
nice to talk to someone.

1398
01:21:46,314 --> 01:21:51,174
So she recommended
Tommy as babysitter.

1399
01:21:51,246 --> 01:21:55,546
I said, "Well, Mrs. Neal,
I've never had boys before."

1400
01:21:55,887 --> 01:21:59,506
"I'm against it,
because I have a girl."

1401
01:22:00,418 --> 01:22:02,885
I asked if he understood
and he said yes.

1402
01:22:06,575 --> 01:22:11,429
And he said, "Tommy would never bother
your daughter, I'm sure."

1403
01:22:11,745 --> 01:22:16,834
I told her we knew Tommy,
because he came on weekends.

1404
01:22:17,341 --> 01:22:21,977
He used to come talk to me and tell me
tell about the problems he had.

1405
01:22:22,297 --> 01:22:25,287
He even told me:
"I wish you were my mother."

1406
01:22:26,607 --> 01:22:28,659
And then...

1407
01:22:30,392 --> 01:22:32,856
He made us trust him.

1408
01:22:34,087 --> 01:22:38,332
I proposed to my husband and he said:
"I don't think Tommy does anything."

1409
01:22:38,554 --> 01:22:42,724
We let him take
account and said...

1410
01:22:42,804 --> 01:22:46,433
...that if something bad happened,
we would ask the children...

1411
01:22:46,513 --> 01:22:49,935
...and if they told us something strange,
we would fire him.

1412
01:22:51,987 --> 01:22:54,151
I spoke to Tommy
from the beginning.

1413
01:22:54,264 --> 01:22:57,724
I said, "I never had a boy."

1414
01:22:58,715 --> 01:23:00,357
"I'm not for it."

1415
01:23:02,005 --> 01:23:06,116
I said, "I want to talk to you.
I have a little girl."

1416
01:23:07,944 --> 01:23:08,681
I said to him:

1417
01:23:08,745 --> 01:23:14,110
"You wouldn't be able
to hurt her, right?"

1418
01:23:15,957 --> 01:23:18,071
"You wouldn't bother her, right?"

1419
01:23:18,917 --> 01:23:23,321
"No, of course not," he told me.
"Only a sick person would do that."

1420
01:23:24,854 --> 01:23:27,929
With that, I trusted him even more.

1421
01:23:29,389 --> 01:23:30,785
And...

1422
01:23:32,497 --> 01:23:35,419
One day we went out.

1423
01:23:35,802 --> 01:23:38,992
He came four times,
three for my husband...

1424
01:23:39,055 --> 01:23:42,081
...and one that I left,
But only about three hours.

1425
01:23:42,129 --> 01:23:45,300
Tommy was four
times as a babysitter?

1426
01:23:45,364 --> 01:23:48,001
Well, maybe five.

1427
01:23:48,065 --> 01:23:51,347
Five, because one day he came
when I went to see the neighbor.

1428
01:23:51,428 --> 01:23:54,758
Let's see how you found out
that there was a problem?

1429
01:23:55,254 --> 01:24:00,734
We went out, just to eat spaghetti.
They invited us to dinner.

1430
01:24:01,028 --> 01:24:04,198
We leave between 8:30 and 10:30.

1431
01:24:04,354 --> 01:24:06,888
This had to happen
in that space.

1432
01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:10,283
- And when I arrived...
- Do you mind if I smoke?

1433
01:24:10,362 --> 01:24:12,963
No, sir.
When we arrived...

1434
01:24:13,043 --> 01:24:16,572
...the children were in bed,
in their bed, together.

1435
01:24:17,780 --> 01:24:21,181
I looked through the door and
I saw they were fine.

1436
01:24:21,244 --> 01:24:25,157
I also asked Tommy,
like he always did.

1437
01:24:25,220 --> 01:24:28,917
"How are the children?
Did something happen?"

1438
01:24:30,983 --> 01:24:32,301
That's all.

1439
01:24:32,366 --> 01:24:36,264
We wake up in the morning,
I gave them breakfast...

1440
01:24:36,312 --> 01:24:42,251
...and I noticed a mark on her neck.
One of those, you know...

1441
01:24:44,234 --> 01:24:45,827
Yes...

1442
01:24:46,838 --> 01:24:48,673
- a hickey?
- Yes, a hickey.

1443
01:24:49,636 --> 01:24:54,456
Anyway, so...

1444
01:24:54,519 --> 01:24:56,386
...I was very upset.

1445
01:24:56,449 --> 01:24:59,103
This bothered me a lot.

1446
01:24:59,916 --> 01:25:04,026
I asked him. I said to him:
"How did you do that?"

1447
01:25:04,982 --> 01:25:09,134
They told me...
They told me what Tommy did.

1448
01:25:09,556 --> 01:25:14,046
Mark said the same as his sister.

1449
01:25:14,958 --> 01:25:17,289
He placed Mark on the bed.

1450
01:25:17,449 --> 01:25:20,038
He closed the door with the TV covering it.

1451
01:25:20,654 --> 01:25:22,827
He put her in bed with him.

1452
01:25:25,954 --> 01:25:28,625
- Was Mark in the other room?
- Yes, in his bed.

1453
01:25:28,961 --> 01:25:32,811
He closed the door and placed
the TV against the door.

1454
01:25:33,827 --> 01:25:36,375
Something was happening.

1455
01:25:39,625 --> 01:25:43,528
And she tells me how many
kisses she gave her,

1456
01:25:43,608 --> 01:25:45,581
on all sides.

1457
01:25:47,027 --> 01:25:52,262
He points to my pants,
you know, down there.

1458
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:58,476
I talked to her and Tommy.

1459
01:25:59,151 --> 01:26:03,590
I tried, but she didn't want to,
she started to complain.

1460
01:26:04,698 --> 01:26:10,663
I usually don't go to the house
people to bother them.

1461
01:26:12,595 --> 01:26:14,754
Or... that kind of thing.

1462
01:26:14,898 --> 01:26:20,432
I spoke to him while
spoke and said, "Mrs. Neal,

1463
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,953
"You're angry now,
when he calms down,

1464
01:26:24,017 --> 01:26:28,394
"You can come to my house and
talk about this with me?

1465
01:26:28,554 --> 01:26:29,807
"Let's talk."

1466
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,039
She said, "For me, may you die",
or something like that.

1467
01:26:34,103 --> 01:26:35,732
"I don't want to see you again."

1468
01:26:35,829 --> 01:26:38,789
I didn't want to talk about it,
he kicked me out of his house.

1469
01:26:39,745 --> 01:26:43,334
I said, "Mrs. Neal,
I still appreciate her

1470
01:26:45,162 --> 01:26:47,122
"but I'm also a mother."

1471
01:26:48,575 --> 01:26:51,397
I said, "There's a mark on his neck."

1472
01:26:51,696 --> 01:26:54,635
"I wasn't there when
We left and the boy didn't go."

1473
01:26:55,091 --> 01:26:58,065
"He couldn't even if he wanted to,

1474
01:26:58,129 --> 01:27:03,186
"Because he doesn't see that kind of
thing outside, you don't even hear them."

1475
01:27:03,354 --> 01:27:07,833
Mark, the boy, wasn't
in the room when it happened.

1476
01:27:07,930 --> 01:27:11,215
I was in the other room
behind a door with the TV.

1477
01:27:11,816 --> 01:27:16,036
Well, and the girl...

1478
01:27:17,140 --> 01:27:18,377
What is it called? Vicky

1479
01:27:18,473 --> 01:27:22,615
She told you exactly
what did he do?

1480
01:27:22,776 --> 01:27:26,023
He kissed her everywhere,
also down there.

1481
01:27:26,583 --> 01:27:28,714
- In your privacy.
- That.

1482
01:27:29,698 --> 01:27:34,287
And it also counts...
I don't understand her well

1483
01:27:34,367 --> 01:27:37,910
but I said something that
I didn't quite understand, Vicky...

1484
01:27:37,976 --> 01:27:43,552
I didn't understand well.
I say, "What are you saying?"

1485
01:27:43,833 --> 01:27:46,392
But obviously something was telling him,

1486
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:48,897
because when he put
your hand under your pants,

1487
01:27:48,945 --> 01:27:52,206
she says something

1488
01:27:52,333 --> 01:27:55,176
although I don't understand
what he was saying.

1489
01:27:55,822 --> 01:27:59,301
Honey, what did Tommy tell you?
No, I don't want to ask her.

1490
01:27:59,382 --> 01:28:02,772
- I don't want her to remember that.
- That sounds good to me.

1491
01:28:03,826 --> 01:28:10,818
If the child is guilty of the charges,
What do you think we should do?

1492
01:28:12,702 --> 01:28:17,300
You have to be sick or something
similar to do something like this.

1493
01:28:17,860 --> 01:28:22,654
Need treatment,
psychiatric help,

1494
01:28:23,031 --> 01:28:25,532
so he won't hurt another girl.

1495
01:28:25,805 --> 01:28:27,247
And...

1496
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:31,284
Let's see, she's my daughter.

1497
01:28:33,032 --> 01:28:34,322
And I don't...

1498
01:28:34,883 --> 01:28:39,341
I don't like to see
children in this place.

1499
01:28:39,421 --> 01:28:43,725
For me they are children,
I'm just a few years older.

1500
01:28:44,614 --> 01:28:47,926
I don't like seeing them
here, with problems,

1501
01:28:50,119 --> 01:28:54,779
but when someone hurts me
daughter, I want punishment.

1502
01:28:54,915 --> 01:28:58,167
Do you understand what I mean?

1503
01:28:59,805 --> 01:29:02,502
The child is sick and sad.

1504
01:29:02,770 --> 01:29:06,250
I feel sorry for all the sick.

1505
01:29:07,358 --> 01:29:11,690
But I'm not going to defend someone like that.

1506
01:29:11,870 --> 01:29:14,700
I have to think about my children.

1507
01:29:14,813 --> 01:29:19,504
The psychologist says that the young man feels
hostility towards the father...

1508
01:29:21,258 --> 01:29:24,933
...and try to adjust
adequately your sexuality,

1509
01:29:25,012 --> 01:29:30,914
but he fears the male role
due to conflicts with his father.

1510
01:29:31,060 --> 01:29:33,134
- He told me...
- He's a confused boy.

1511
01:29:33,211 --> 01:29:35,882
One day he told me that
I wanted to run away from home,

1512
01:29:35,994 --> 01:29:37,761
but I convinced him not to do that.

1513
01:29:38,261 --> 01:29:41,190
Tell us about the problems
that you had at home,

1514
01:29:41,255 --> 01:29:42,950
if Mr. Freedman doesn't mind.

1515
01:29:43,029 --> 01:29:45,154
I convinced him not to leave school.

1516
01:29:45,233 --> 01:29:49,092
I sat with him as if
Whether it was his mother, he loved it.

1517
01:29:49,237 --> 01:29:52,480
It is clear that he lacks affection and love.

1518
01:29:52,688 --> 01:29:55,236
We sat and talked
about leaving school.

1519
01:29:56,088 --> 01:29:58,346
I convinced him not to do it.
We talked about running away from home,

1520
01:29:58,443 --> 01:30:02,096
I convinced him not to do it.
It's the truth...

1521
01:30:02,498 --> 01:30:05,396
It seems like I was doing
the work of a counselor.

1522
01:30:05,463 --> 01:30:06,526
Yes sir.

1523
01:30:09,078 --> 01:30:11,744
Let's work with this kid.

1524
01:30:12,437 --> 01:30:17,786
Mr. Freedman wants to put it
on a lie detector,

1525
01:30:18,298 --> 01:30:20,586
looks good to me,
is a good suggestion.

1526
01:30:20,697 --> 01:30:25,330
He bluntly denies it.

1527
01:30:25,643 --> 01:30:29,749
I would like to speak to the
boy alone, Mr. Freedman.

1528
01:30:30,247 --> 01:30:32,411
However...

1529
01:30:32,714 --> 01:30:35,457
...sit in the living room,
Or you can leave if you want.

1530
01:30:35,486 --> 01:30:38,416
- You don't have to wait.
- Well...

1531
01:30:38,984 --> 01:30:42,080
He also told me that
his father beats him a lot.

1532
01:30:44,215 --> 01:30:45,474
And...

1533
01:30:47,065 --> 01:30:50,132
...I think beatings
also affect children.

1534
01:30:50,995 --> 01:30:56,098
- Do you want me to keep the child?
- No, I better stay like this.

1535
01:30:56,530 --> 01:31:00,172
- I know he would give it back to me.
- Yes of course.

1536
01:31:02,063 --> 01:31:04,218
They are magnificent children.
I'm happy for you.

1537
01:31:04,313 --> 01:31:06,500
You take good care of them.

1538
01:31:06,944 --> 01:31:09,394
Do you mind going back to the room?

1539
01:31:09,890 --> 01:31:14,734
I only said what I had to
say about what happened.

1540
01:31:14,970 --> 01:31:17,471
- That's very kind, Mrs. Knightow.
- Thanks. - Thanks.

1541
01:31:19,538 --> 01:31:22,496
Judge, there is one thing that
I didn't mention...

1542
01:31:23,032 --> 01:31:26,371
...that worries me.
There are two things, two themes.

1543
01:31:26,738 --> 01:31:32,634
She was very worried about the
problem before it manifests itself.

1544
01:31:33,050 --> 01:31:35,111
This worried her.

1545
01:31:35,307 --> 01:31:37,108
I just wonder...

1546
01:31:37,349 --> 01:31:41,786
Of course there is no certainty,
never exists in these cases.

1547
01:31:43,299 --> 01:31:47,821
I would like to know if she suffered
something similar as a child,

1548
01:31:47,917 --> 01:31:50,818
if you had one
problem with a nanny.

1549
01:31:50,963 --> 01:31:53,141
Mrs Neal said...

1550
01:31:53,238 --> 01:31:57,778
...that this woman was
obsessed with this problem.

1551
01:31:58,479 --> 01:31:59,665
And...

1552
01:32:00,044 --> 01:32:02,360
...it's something that makes you doubt when there's
concern about a problem,

1553
01:32:02,442 --> 01:32:05,261
before the problem manifests itself.

1554
01:32:05,342 --> 01:32:09,615
Mr. Freedman, children this age
They are not excellent witnesses, but...

1555
01:32:09,695 --> 01:32:12,414
I know, they're not liars.

1556
01:32:13,299 --> 01:32:15,185
Yes, anyway...

1557
01:32:16,292 --> 01:32:20,492
Exams show that he is
a boy with problems...

1558
01:32:20,587 --> 01:32:22,774
...and that he is capable of doing something like this.

1559
01:32:23,589 --> 01:32:25,124
And...

1560
01:32:25,932 --> 01:32:31,618
...there's a problem
greater than this case.

1561
01:32:32,265 --> 01:32:34,650
Come here and we'll talk to him...

1562
01:32:34,762 --> 01:32:37,607
...and I will temporarily postpone,

1563
01:32:37,719 --> 01:32:40,163
until it passes through
lie detector.

1564
01:32:41,652 --> 01:32:43,811
Let's see if we can solve this problem.

1565
01:32:44,380 --> 01:32:46,093
Let the boy in.

1566
01:32:50,147 --> 01:32:51,198
Tommy,

1567
01:32:51,294 --> 01:32:54,550
a psychologist spoke to you
isn't it?

1568
01:32:54,647 --> 01:32:57,990
- Yes.
- Tommy, as I understand it,

1569
01:32:58,274 --> 01:33:03,146
you have problems at home.
Don't you get along with your father?

1570
01:33:03,242 --> 01:33:07,274
- Right?
- We get along well if he doesn't drink.

1571
01:33:07,374 --> 01:33:09,706
- Do you get along with him when he drinks?
- That.

1572
01:33:11,065 --> 01:33:16,226
Tommy, you're only 15,
You didn't have any problems.

1573
01:33:16,338 --> 01:33:19,290
Of course, none of that,
It is a very serious matter.

1574
01:33:19,337 --> 01:33:21,172
- You know?
- Yes sir.

1575
01:33:21,512 --> 01:33:26,070
Do you know the punishment for assault and
touch a child under 12?

1576
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:30,310
- I don't know.
- The maximum penalty is the electric chair.

1577
01:33:30,889 --> 01:33:32,742
That's the level of seriousness.

1578
01:33:34,974 --> 01:33:40,216
You're only 15 and you can't
receive this penalty.

1579
01:33:42,353 --> 01:33:45,194
I just want you to know
which is very serious.

1580
01:33:45,521 --> 01:33:48,713
Let's see, Tommy...

1581
01:33:50,145 --> 01:33:52,838
Whatever your problem,
we want to help you.

1582
01:33:52,918 --> 01:33:55,595
You have more problems than that.

1583
01:33:55,707 --> 01:34:00,465
You had already commented
with Mrs. Knightow, no?

1584
01:34:00,729 --> 01:34:05,498
- You didn't want to run away from home?
- Yes, once.

1585
01:34:06,410 --> 01:34:09,158
- Did you escape once?
Yes, in Chattanooga.

1586
01:34:09,835 --> 01:34:11,674
Why did you run away this time?

1587
01:34:12,892 --> 01:34:15,980
For nothing in particular.
I fought with...

1588
01:34:16,348 --> 01:34:18,747
I argued with my brother.

1589
01:34:19,494 --> 01:34:23,910
- Do you have a twin brother?
- No, a twin and four more.

1590
01:34:24,523 --> 01:34:26,501
- Are there 6?
- That.

1591
01:34:26,994 --> 01:34:28,362
Four brothers?

1592
01:34:29,222 --> 01:34:32,094
No, three brothers and two sisters.

1593
01:34:35,078 --> 01:34:39,427
- Is your brother going to the hospital?
- Yes, every two Thursdays.

1594
01:34:39,537 --> 01:34:40,686
What's wrong?

1595
01:34:40,797 --> 01:34:43,292
Hodgkin's disease,
It is a type of cancer.

1596
01:34:46,191 --> 01:34:48,305
- Do you get along with him?
- Yes.

1597
01:34:50,359 --> 01:34:53,648
I also get along well with
my other brothers and sisters,

1598
01:34:53,744 --> 01:34:57,945
- If they don't start bothering me.
- Are you temperamental?

1599
01:34:58,532 --> 01:35:03,990
No, but if they mess with me too much,

1600
01:35:04,071 --> 01:35:06,218
I get angry.

1601
01:35:07,064 --> 01:35:11,853
They accuse you of touching the girl, Tommy.

1602
01:35:13,525 --> 01:35:15,423
I tell you one thing.

1603
01:35:16,058 --> 01:35:18,894
It doesn't matter if you are guilty or innocent,

1604
01:35:19,401 --> 01:35:23,524
we decided you need
talk to a counselor...

1605
01:35:23,699 --> 01:35:27,749
...the psychiatric type
to fix the mind.

1606
01:35:27,926 --> 01:35:32,869
Mr. Freedman says that so far
You deny the accusations...

1607
01:35:32,933 --> 01:35:36,726
...and asked to be submitted
to a lie detector.

1608
01:35:37,774 --> 01:35:42,090
But before wasting time,
I want you to tell me the truth,

1609
01:35:42,170 --> 01:35:43,875
if Mr. Freedman doesn't mind.

1610
01:35:44,003 --> 01:35:49,953
I want to know if you played
or kissed the girl...

1611
01:35:50,049 --> 01:35:51,298
...or something like that.

1612
01:35:51,586 --> 01:35:54,670
I kissed her on the cheek when
I put her to bed and that's it.

1613
01:35:55,187 --> 01:35:59,466
The mother complains about the brand of
neck, did you give her a hickey?

1614
01:35:59,546 --> 01:36:01,289
- No.
- How did this brand come about?

1615
01:36:01,386 --> 01:36:05,835
I didn't see her until she brought the girl
to our house the next day.

1616
01:36:06,834 --> 01:36:09,229
She took the girl to
his house and told him.

1617
01:36:09,325 --> 01:36:14,061
- You alone or your mother too?
- Both of us. My mother was angry.

1618
01:36:15,211 --> 01:36:17,898
- What did your mother say?
- Well...

1619
01:36:17,979 --> 01:36:21,622
...for her, as for all mothers,

1620
01:36:21,719 --> 01:36:25,684
She doesn't like people accusing her son.

1621
01:36:26,212 --> 01:36:28,682
My mother got a little angry and said...

1622
01:36:28,890 --> 01:36:33,351
...in the end she said, "Tommy,
Get her out of here or I'll go crazy."

1623
01:36:33,660 --> 01:36:38,024
- She was very angry with her.
- Yes, because she didn't like what I said.

1624
01:36:38,792 --> 01:36:43,077
- Mrs. Knightow and you are friends.
- Yes, until now.

1625
01:36:43,184 --> 01:36:48,020
She seems like a very
cool and a good friend to have.

1626
01:36:48,605 --> 01:36:51,748
She's your friend. But she is also a mother.

1627
01:36:51,843 --> 01:36:55,769
She is worried about what she
She thinks it happened to her daughter.

1628
01:37:00,013 --> 01:37:03,788
- According to you, you only kissed the
her cheek. - That.

1629
01:37:04,517 --> 01:37:08,032
I washed her face,
as your mother asked me,

1630
01:37:08,191 --> 01:37:09,827
and put her to bed.

1631
01:37:12,664 --> 01:37:14,789
Do you want to tell me something else?

1632
01:37:16,184 --> 01:37:21,528
That's all. Can I go home
with the lie detector?

1633
01:37:21,977 --> 01:37:26,115
Have you been to the center of
detention all this time?

1634
01:37:26,660 --> 01:37:30,166
- You've been here for a week, right?
- Yes.

1635
01:37:31,627 --> 01:37:33,255
I don't see why not.

1636
01:37:33,318 --> 01:37:37,599
Do you want to say something else,
Mr. Freedman, about Tommy?

1637
01:37:37,771 --> 01:37:42,441
- How many times have you been a babysitter?
- Five or six times.

1638
01:37:45,170 --> 01:37:50,257
Mrs. Knightow told something
before you take care of her children?

1639
01:37:50,481 --> 01:37:55,010
She worried if you would
bother her children?

1640
01:37:55,123 --> 01:37:58,752
Yes, she asked me if I
I would take care of your children...

1641
01:38:00,257 --> 01:38:04,321
...if I wasn't incapable of taking care of them.
I told him...

1642
01:38:04,417 --> 01:38:09,783
...that I wouldn't take care of if
was not able to take care of them.

1643
01:38:10,249 --> 01:38:11,998
She mentioned...

1644
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:16,214
- cared more about the girl, in
special? - Yes.

1645
01:38:16,430 --> 01:38:18,894
How did she tell you? How was it...

1646
01:38:18,991 --> 01:38:21,587
She told me, let's see...

1647
01:38:21,631 --> 01:38:24,232
I was afraid to let her out...

1648
01:38:24,328 --> 01:38:29,493
...in the case of a drunk
think about attacking her.

1649
01:38:31,498 --> 01:38:36,486
- Did she tell you anything else?
- No, that's what she told me.

1650
01:38:37,239 --> 01:38:39,515
Let's see, Tommy,

1651
01:38:39,610 --> 01:38:43,056
the night you babysat...

1652
01:38:43,407 --> 01:38:46,375
...this thing was supposed to happen...

1653
01:38:49,469 --> 01:38:51,957
Do the children sleep in the same room?

1654
01:38:52,069 --> 01:38:55,495
Yes, they sleep in the same
room and in the same bed.

1655
01:38:55,751 --> 01:38:59,543
The same bed...
Did something strange happen that night?

1656
01:38:59,739 --> 01:39:02,811
No, they went to sleep.

1657
01:39:03,115 --> 01:39:05,777
The girl always falls asleep
in front of the boy.

1658
01:39:06,113 --> 01:39:10,633
You got the boy in the room
Where was the girl?

1659
01:39:10,714 --> 01:39:14,372
- Not at all.
- Didn't you close the door with the TV?

1660
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,683
- Is that the truth?
- It's the pure truth.

1661
01:39:20,650 --> 01:39:22,423
That's it, Mr. Freedman,

1662
01:39:22,486 --> 01:39:26,676
I will leave while I submit it
to the lie detector.

1663
01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:30,375
Don't you know when your birthday is?

1664
01:39:31,277 --> 01:39:32,959
Don't you know the month?

1665
01:39:38,664 --> 01:39:40,881
Do you know what month you were born?

1666
01:39:43,268 --> 01:39:44,260
Okay.

1667
01:39:44,581 --> 01:39:49,510
I have to wait for your
grandmother has more information.

1668
01:39:51,330 --> 01:39:52,632
You say...

1669
01:39:53,121 --> 01:39:55,941
...that your uncle threw boiling oil on you.

1670
01:39:57,628 --> 01:40:02,254
You didn't throw it out of the fire, right? No?

1671
01:40:03,061 --> 01:40:04,509
You say he threw it at you.

1672
01:40:04,670 --> 01:40:09,160
What did you do, son?
So he can pour oil on you?

1673
01:40:10,112 --> 01:40:12,068
Did you tell him anything?

1674
01:40:13,019 --> 01:40:15,045
Did you do anything with it?

1675
01:40:20,027 --> 01:40:23,124
Okay, we'll get in touch with him,

1676
01:40:23,964 --> 01:40:27,580
to see what happened, what happened.

1677
01:40:28,608 --> 01:40:31,248
- How are you feeling this morning?
- Good.

1678
01:40:31,361 --> 01:40:33,440
Okay.

1679
01:40:34,085 --> 01:40:35,377
Well...

1680
01:40:36,368 --> 01:40:39,287
We'll take you to the doctor
again, you will be fine.

1681
01:40:41,817 --> 01:40:43,960
You can go to the next room, Robert,

1682
01:40:44,006 --> 01:40:48,068
there you can watch television,
read a book,

1683
01:40:48,383 --> 01:40:51,411
will you eat with us and when
your grandmother arrives this afternoon,

1684
01:40:51,491 --> 01:40:54,939
Let's see what the situation is.
Accordingly?

1685
01:40:55,158 --> 01:40:56,479
He is well.

1686
01:41:00,547 --> 01:41:01,743
Come

1687
01:41:06,420 --> 01:41:10,364
I want you to tell him why
that they brought you here. Come

1688
01:41:10,772 --> 01:41:13,647
I took money from a woman
when she shouldn't have it.

1689
01:41:14,772 --> 01:41:16,095
10 dollars

1690
01:41:16,219 --> 01:41:19,873
- Go straight!
- He stole from his foster home.

1691
01:41:20,389 --> 01:41:26,335
If you convince me before
Monday that you will stop stealing,

1692
01:41:26,431 --> 01:41:28,959
I'll take you home.
If you don't convince...

1693
01:41:29,039 --> 01:41:31,243
...we already know where it's going.
I can't do otherwise.

1694
01:41:31,807 --> 01:41:35,975
A family welcomes
to a child and he steals them.

1695
01:41:37,243 --> 01:41:39,707
One moment, John,
You don't need to do all of this.

1696
01:41:42,358 --> 01:41:44,913
Does he only stay for the weekend?

1697
01:41:45,143 --> 01:41:48,105
It's a delicate situation,

1698
01:41:48,203 --> 01:41:50,842
because he is only at home
adopted three weeks ago...

1699
01:41:51,429 --> 01:41:55,106
...and it's biting, as if to say,
the hand that feeds him.

1700
01:41:55,186 --> 01:41:59,411
If he doesn't learn now,
you will never learn in life.

1701
01:41:59,749 --> 01:42:03,174
Or convince me between today and tomorrow
that he won't steal anymore...

1702
01:42:03,254 --> 01:42:06,328
...or we'll have to force it.
That's what it is.

1703
01:42:07,216 --> 01:42:08,987
We take care of him.

1704
01:42:09,340 --> 01:42:12,488
There is the psychological part
and the pain she has.

1705
01:42:12,552 --> 01:42:15,482
I'll take care of it on Monday,
as far as the doctor is concerned.

1706
01:42:15,773 --> 01:42:19,754
His teeth hurt, I think he
It is psychosomatic. I don't know.

1707
01:42:19,835 --> 01:42:21,114
It has to be fixed.

1708
01:42:21,178 --> 01:42:24,770
But you don't have to solve
your physical problems...

1709
01:42:24,849 --> 01:42:28,590
...knowing that the money
was stolen.

1710
01:42:28,655 --> 01:42:30,441
No money, period.

1711
01:42:30,761 --> 01:42:33,347
You understand, don't you? It cannot.

1712
01:42:33,991 --> 01:42:35,311
It cannot.

1713
01:42:36,118 --> 01:42:38,810
You have to convince between today
and tomorrow.

1714
01:42:39,513 --> 01:42:43,126
We'll go back to where we were
before something happened.

1715
01:42:43,807 --> 01:42:45,971
The other children don't know anything,

1716
01:42:46,034 --> 01:42:48,934
so relax when you get back,
if you come back

1717
01:42:50,447 --> 01:42:52,747
Tell me again what you will not repeat.

1718
01:42:54,616 --> 01:42:55,713
What?

1719
01:42:56,305 --> 01:42:59,157
- I can't hear you.
- I won't steal again and things like that.

1720
01:42:59,408 --> 01:43:02,343
I'll come back tomorrow and talk to you
See if you convince me, Wayne.

1721
01:43:02,407 --> 01:43:05,106
You have to stop
do this. Leave it

1722
01:43:05,201 --> 01:43:09,193
Your life has changed.
It's totally different.

1723
01:43:17,709 --> 01:43:21,235
If you convince me tomorrow, let's go
go back and fix your teeth...

1724
01:43:21,470 --> 01:43:25,375
...and the leg and no one
will know nothing about it.

1725
01:43:25,414 --> 01:43:28,510
Nothing. You can move on.

1726
01:43:28,592 --> 01:43:33,155
You go to school and forget
your past and these places,

1727
01:43:33,571 --> 01:43:34,855
the orphanage, etc.

1728
01:43:34,951 --> 01:43:37,937
This will all end.
You won't have to be like this.

1729
01:43:38,783 --> 01:43:41,196
As I told you,
When I came back from the army...

1730
01:43:41,261 --> 01:43:44,919
... I couldn't live with anyone.
I lived so much with the soldiers...

1731
01:43:44,999 --> 01:43:47,107
...that I had to learn again,
the same as you.

1732
01:43:47,219 --> 01:43:49,944
You have to learn to live
with people, that's all.

1733
01:43:50,140 --> 01:43:53,288
Sometimes it's difficult.
But you have to do it.

1734
01:43:53,537 --> 01:43:56,901
I'll talk to you tomorrow
You heard me, well...

1735
01:44:02,688 --> 01:44:04,119
What is your son's name?

1736
01:44:04,198 --> 01:44:05,792
<i>Heskiah Campbell</i>

1737
01:44:06,834 --> 01:44:11,128
<i>They didn't let me talk to you
under any circumstances...</i>

1738
01:44:11,241 --> 01:44:16,142
<i>...and I was denied any
contact with my son.</i>

1739
01:44:16,222 --> 01:44:18,932
There was a trial last Friday,
Why didn't he come?

1740
01:44:19,013 --> 01:44:21,221
<i>Because I didn't break any laws.</i>

1741
01:44:21,286 --> 01:44:24,950
<i>They can't take my son and
I don't have to go to trial.</i>

1742
01:44:25,031 --> 01:44:27,455
But why didn't he show up?
That's what trials are for.

1743
01:44:27,536 --> 01:44:32,363
I don't want to argue over the phone,
He had an appointment on Friday and didn't come.

1744
01:44:33,719 --> 01:44:35,525
<i>They had no reason
to take the child.</i>

1745
01:44:35,738 --> 01:44:39,948
I won't argue with you anymore,
That's it, talk to your lawyer.

1746
01:44:40,011 --> 01:44:41,147
<i>Agreed.</i>

1747
01:44:52,837 --> 01:44:57,247
Why don't you accept that there are
Rules for dressing at school?

1748
01:44:58,827 --> 01:45:00,735
You don't accept any rules.

1749
01:45:00,831 --> 01:45:03,696
There is no law that
force to wear a bra.

1750
01:45:03,761 --> 01:45:06,482
I didn't say anything about any laws,
but about dress code.

1751
01:45:06,546 --> 01:45:09,453
Well there is no rule
force her to wear a bra.

1752
01:45:09,548 --> 01:45:14,213
The rules are defined by the director,
he wants you to wear a bra and that's it.

1753
01:45:14,341 --> 01:45:17,870
- You understood?
- Yes, but he didn't say anything about it,

1754
01:45:17,945 --> 01:45:21,082
Dacus wanted
I would be expelled.

1755
01:45:21,529 --> 01:45:25,447
- What did Mr. Ferguson say?
- I don't have to wear a bra.

1756
01:45:25,542 --> 01:45:29,225
So he didn't want to kick you out,
because I would have already done that.

1757
01:45:29,272 --> 01:45:31,602
Dacus, yes.

1758
01:45:31,866 --> 01:45:35,187
All against
poor Pam, is that it?

1759
01:45:35,980 --> 01:45:40,049
Why did you go to Highland?
You know you shouldn't go there.

1760
01:45:40,481 --> 01:45:43,239
There are many things that
we shouldn't do.

1761
01:45:43,483 --> 01:45:47,806
- But you get caught more than others.
- Yes I know.

1762
01:45:48,450 --> 01:45:51,190
Let's see if you learn one of these days.

1763
01:45:52,482 --> 01:45:53,724
Yes.

1764
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:58,956
It's illegal because I'm not 18,
what a reason!

1765
01:46:08,270 --> 01:46:12,264
The next case, Your Honor.
Robert Alan Singleton.

1766
01:46:12,392 --> 01:46:13,321
Stand up, Robert.

1767
01:46:14,041 --> 01:46:16,972
Accused of assault with a dangerous weapon,
twice.

1768
01:46:17,216 --> 01:46:20,502
Your Honor, two cases 
are judged here...

1769
01:46:20,762 --> 01:46:25,386
...the child was arrested
for two cases on the same day.

1770
01:46:25,583 --> 01:46:29,838
Accused of assault with a dangerous weapon,
he was arrested with an adult,

1771
01:46:29,902 --> 01:46:33,092
which is being processed by the State.

1772
01:46:34,974 --> 01:46:39,405
In my opinion,
the State must ask the court...

1773
01:46:39,518 --> 01:46:43,168
...to send him to another court.

1774
01:46:44,127 --> 01:46:47,503
Due to the fact that the
minor in question...

1775
01:46:47,633 --> 01:46:51,191
...will turn 18 in three months,

1776
01:46:51,930 --> 01:46:54,960
since the crimes are very serious...

1777
01:46:55,664 --> 01:46:59,881
...and the fact that the
probation officers,

1778
01:47:00,094 --> 01:47:02,174
both here in court...

1779
01:47:02,255 --> 01:47:07,251
...and the designated assistant
for the child...

1780
01:47:07,448 --> 01:47:13,376
...when he had disciplinary problems
in this same court previously.

1781
01:47:14,067 --> 01:47:17,347
Furthermore, it is possible that the
child has been drugged...

1782
01:47:17,458 --> 01:47:21,904
...when he committed the crimes.

1783
01:47:22,481 --> 01:47:26,205
The conjunction of these facts,
as we see,

1784
01:47:26,301 --> 01:47:30,489
are a very serious crime,

1785
01:47:30,697 --> 01:47:36,525
so that the minor may not
be prosecuted by the Juvenile Court

1786
01:47:36,622 --> 01:47:38,875
as he will be 18 years old.

1787
01:47:39,403 --> 01:47:42,958
We request that it be considered as
"probable cause"...

1788
01:47:43,038 --> 01:47:47,937
...and be transferred,
in accordance with article 37.234,

1789
01:47:48,434 --> 01:47:52,395
so that this case, together 
with the adult defendant,

1790
01:47:52,590 --> 01:47:55,469
be transferred to a 
criminal court.

1791
01:47:55,925 --> 01:47:58,798
If Mr. Bostick doesn't have 
nothing to claim,

1792
01:47:58,879 --> 01:48:04,321
we ask that the lieutenant
Pitt accept our request.

1793
01:48:11,088 --> 01:48:13,641
I would like to say the
next to court...

1794
01:48:13,721 --> 01:48:16,810
I started this case this morning,

1795
01:48:16,891 --> 01:48:22,314
It was not due to parental negligence,

1796
01:48:22,379 --> 01:48:26,745
I was busy with another case
and I couldn't find them.

1797
01:48:26,841 --> 01:48:29,852
They were with another lawyer,
Mr. Hamlet,

1798
01:48:29,931 --> 01:48:31,695
who was here this morning.

1799
01:48:32,768 --> 01:48:36,625
Mr. Hamlet doesn't want to represent him
as a family friend,

1800
01:48:36,722 --> 01:48:41,552
he put me in touch with the
parents and when I was going to meet them,

1801
01:48:41,648 --> 01:48:45,382
I was busy with another case,
so I couldn't meet them,

1802
01:48:45,462 --> 01:48:48,007
So I've been in this
case since this morning.

1803
01:48:48,543 --> 01:48:55,372
I think the fact that the
child turns 18...

1804
01:48:55,468 --> 01:48:59,342
...it's not enough,
It's not a determining factor...

1805
01:48:59,422 --> 01:49:00,979
...to be transferred to 
another court.

1806
01:49:01,169 --> 01:49:07,844
I know the court
you will know the decision to make.

1807
01:49:08,996 --> 01:49:12,873
But obviously
laws and common sense,

1808
01:49:13,053 --> 01:49:16,592
decide that when
someone turns 18...

1809
01:49:16,688 --> 01:49:20,902
...that's when you have to
treat him like an adult.

1810
01:49:20,984 --> 01:49:25,933
The fact that he is about
turning 18...

1811
01:49:26,013 --> 01:49:28,550
...I don't think it should be
a determining factor.

1812
01:49:28,646 --> 01:49:33,236
If you are not 18 years old, it is your right
be treated as a minor.

1813
01:49:34,253 --> 01:49:36,928
The facts in this case indicate,
Your Honor,

1814
01:49:37,008 --> 01:49:42,980
that, although there are two cases
of armed robbery...

1815
01:49:43,909 --> 01:49:46,465
...and it seems very serious,

1816
01:49:46,657 --> 01:49:49,411
but the facts indicate, Your Honor,

1817
01:49:49,474 --> 01:49:55,321
that the young man was in the car,
was the driver,

1818
01:49:55,415 --> 01:49:58,704
he didn't have a gun or
entered anywhere...

1819
01:49:59,361 --> 01:50:05,512
...and that he acted out of fear
of your own safety.

1820
01:50:05,986 --> 01:50:13,955
The police have a report from the
adult defendant who corroborates it.

1821
01:50:14,475 --> 01:50:17,403
The boy was threatened, coerced...

1822
01:50:18,322 --> 01:50:20,183
...to accompany the other.

1823
01:50:20,590 --> 01:50:24,117
I believe, Your Honor,
that there is no proof...

1824
01:50:24,196 --> 01:50:27,885
...that the boy was drugged
when the events occurred,

1825
01:50:27,981 --> 01:50:30,837
although he admitted that
have already tried them in the past.

1826
01:50:30,948 --> 01:50:40,992
He is not addicted to drugs or
tried them that day.

1827
01:50:41,932 --> 01:50:43,365
He's been here more times.

1828
01:50:43,653 --> 01:50:47,715
I understand that your parents
moved here...

1829
01:50:47,795 --> 01:50:50,192
...from another city and the boy
I wasn't comfortable...

1830
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:54,710
...and wanted to go back to
the city he came from.

1831
01:50:55,287 --> 01:50:58,981
He was released
conditional and in that period of time...

1832
01:50:59,412 --> 01:51:01,262
...his behavior was impeccable,

1833
01:51:01,468 --> 01:51:04,768
He had neither
there was no problem.

1834
01:51:05,201 --> 01:51:07,838
Of course I speak in accordance with
what they told me,

1835
01:51:07,901 --> 01:51:10,646
since I started the case this morning.

1836
01:51:10,805 --> 01:51:14,200
I see that the bailiff and
the shepherd boy are here,

1837
01:51:14,296 --> 01:51:15,750
His parents too.

1838
01:51:17,134 --> 01:51:23,449
I hope the court decides
resolve this issue...

1839
01:51:23,662 --> 01:51:24,737
...in the Juvenile Court,

1840
01:51:24,784 --> 01:51:29,101
because I think the boy is
capable of being rehabilitated...

1841
01:51:29,658 --> 01:51:34,263
...and should not be judged as
adult in a criminal court.

1842
01:51:35,519 --> 01:51:37,595
Well, thank you, Mr. Bostick.

1843
01:51:38,801 --> 01:51:42,353
- Let's hear the "probable cause."
- Lieutenant Pitt.

1844
01:51:45,833 --> 01:51:49,179
You swear to tell the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth?

1845
01:51:49,258 --> 01:51:50,298
I swear.

1846
01:51:50,475 --> 01:51:54,422
- Do you work with the Memphis police?
- Yes sir.

1847
01:51:54,502 --> 01:51:56,819
- How long have you been with them?
- 14 years old.

1848
01:51:56,882 --> 01:52:01,159
You are one of the agents who
investigate both cases...

1849
01:52:01,238 --> 01:52:05,451
- ...from defendant Robert Alan Singleton?
- Yes sir.

1850
01:52:05,547 --> 01:52:11,125
Defendant Singleton was
present at the interrogation...

1851
01:52:11,205 --> 01:52:15,438
...as well as the adult defendant
Anthony Martin?

1852
01:52:15,549 --> 01:52:16,559
Yes sir.

1853
01:52:16,639 --> 01:52:20,076
Can you describe to the court,
in short,

1854
01:52:20,902 --> 01:52:25,427
the search results,
the relevant facts...

1855
01:52:25,507 --> 01:52:29,101
...of statements
of both defendants?

1856
01:52:29,313 --> 01:52:31,674
Yes sir. Your Excellency,

1857
01:52:32,641 --> 01:52:37,260
on the first day of this month,
around 00:45,

1858
01:52:37,670 --> 01:52:42,626
a Kentucky Fried Chicken
on LeMar Street...

1859
01:52:43,329 --> 01:52:48,586
...was attacked by a
only man with a gun.

1860
01:52:49,635 --> 01:52:54,295
A witness saw a car leaving...

1861
01:52:56,375 --> 01:53:00,541
...with registration 1BN101.

1862
01:53:01,261 --> 01:53:04,252
We inform the units of this.

1863
01:53:05,314 --> 01:53:06,787
The defendant,

1864
01:53:07,515 --> 01:53:12,991
with a 19 year old boy,

1865
01:53:13,847 --> 01:53:17,224
a soldier who had deserted,
Anthony Martin,

1866
01:53:17,512 --> 01:53:20,813
were arrested by
Memphis police...

1867
01:53:22,181 --> 01:53:24,647
...at Airways Street and LeMar.

1868
01:53:25,194 --> 01:53:27,157
When they were arrested,

1869
01:53:28,221 --> 01:53:31,843
just before the arrest,

1870
01:53:32,287 --> 01:53:37,137
a store at 2380
Airways Street,

1871
01:53:37,237 --> 01:53:39,687
a grocery store,

1872
01:53:39,939 --> 01:53:43,823
was stolen about ten minutes earlier,

1873
01:53:43,953 --> 01:53:46,556
after the first assault.

1874
01:53:47,987 --> 01:53:53,979
A white man
Robbed the store with a gun.

1875
01:53:55,062 --> 01:53:56,893
When the police stopped the car,

1876
01:53:56,989 --> 01:54:02,085
they saw that the plate matched,
at Airways Street and LeMar,

1877
01:54:02,181 --> 01:54:07,609
they saw that a white man was
trying to gamble or hide money,

1878
01:54:07,689 --> 01:54:12,856
put money and a
gun under a car.

1879
01:54:13,375 --> 01:54:18,399
They recovered $182.

1880
01:54:19,575 --> 01:54:26,733
And a SandW pistol, 38 caliber.
A stir.

1881
01:54:28,445 --> 01:54:30,877
They read your rights,

1882
01:54:31,997 --> 01:54:34,719
the defendant was taken to the
Juvenile Court,

1883
01:54:34,856 --> 01:54:38,858
the 19-year-old white man was
taken to the police station.

1884
01:54:39,426 --> 01:54:43,191
The next morning,
we interrogated Anthony Martin,

1885
01:54:43,272 --> 01:54:47,135
The 19 year old boy.
We read your rights.

1886
01:54:48,340 --> 01:54:52,134
He signed some orders for
appear in the recognition wheels.

1887
01:54:52,231 --> 01:54:56,571
We took all the witnesses of the
chicken shop and restaurant,

1888
01:54:56,666 --> 01:55:00,846
who identified Anthony
Martin as the author.

1889
01:55:01,694 --> 01:55:04,905
We took him to the police station,

1890
01:55:05,709 --> 01:55:08,290
we read your rights...

1891
01:55:08,369 --> 01:55:10,206
...and we received your statement.

1892
01:55:11,247 --> 01:55:13,283
He admitted that he had done it.

1893
01:55:13,731 --> 01:55:20,266
He said he was next door
of the defendant at the house of a certain Gigi,

1894
01:55:20,878 --> 01:55:26,745
he told the defendant he needed money,
some money,

1895
01:55:26,957 --> 01:55:29,696
convinced him to drive the car...

1896
01:55:29,792 --> 01:55:33,434
...and gave instructions on where to go,

1897
01:55:33,514 --> 01:55:37,807
how to park next to
shops and what to do on the getaway.

1898
01:55:38,139 --> 01:55:41,277
The youngest, Singleton,

1899
01:55:41,673 --> 01:55:45,733
Did he claim to have participated in the robberies?

1900
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:50,054
- Yes sir.
- Can you describe your statement?

1901
01:55:50,334 --> 01:55:53,874
He claimed to have driven the car,

1902
01:55:53,954 --> 01:55:58,437
Martin asked to accompany him
to get money.

1903
01:56:00,525 --> 01:56:03,656
He claimed that Martin told him...

1904
01:56:04,747 --> 01:56:07,849
...where to stop the car and how to escape.

1905
01:56:08,173 --> 01:56:12,748
He also stated that secondly...

1906
01:56:13,700 --> 01:56:14,715
...he...

1907
01:56:15,034 --> 01:56:18,139
...before entering
in the food store,

1908
01:56:18,367 --> 01:56:23,675
Martin made some kind of threat.

1909
01:56:24,174 --> 01:56:26,018
He also stated...

1910
01:56:26,622 --> 01:56:28,524
...that when he left the store...

1911
01:56:28,851 --> 01:56:33,228
No, while waiting
Martin in second place,

1912
01:56:33,293 --> 01:56:37,891
he knew a robbery was coming
happening at that moment.

1913
01:56:38,923 --> 01:56:43,006
Agent, how much money...

1914
01:56:43,069 --> 01:56:47,276
...received from the first assault?

1915
01:56:47,788 --> 01:56:50,245
Approximately 35 dollars.

1916
01:56:50,596 --> 01:56:56,558
- How much of the second round?
- About 215 dollars.

1917
01:57:02,138 --> 01:57:03,943
That's all, Your Honor.

1918
01:57:04,363 --> 01:57:05,926
Can I interrogate you?

1919
01:57:06,667 --> 01:57:09,370
Mr. Pitss, let me ask you...

1920
01:57:09,941 --> 01:57:12,529
It is not true that the other defendant,
Anthony Martin,

1921
01:57:12,594 --> 01:57:18,572
he said in his statement that
Did you force the child to accompany you?

1922
01:57:19,168 --> 01:57:23,169
He didn't force it. He said something like:
"You better not go..."

1923
01:57:23,250 --> 01:57:27,016
- He threatened him.
- A threat in second place.

1924
01:57:27,081 --> 01:57:31,026
He never admitted to threatening him
for the first time?

1925
01:57:31,685 --> 01:57:35,160
- No, sir.
- Let's see if I understand you well.

1926
01:57:35,242 --> 01:57:38,461
The 19 year old defendant

1927
01:57:38,607 --> 01:57:43,397
- do you admit that you threatened the child?
- Yes, Your Honor.

1928
01:57:43,492 --> 01:57:48,562
In second place, he said:
"You better not run away."

1929
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:52,346
Or something like that.
"When you leave, I will come after you."

1930
01:57:52,706 --> 01:57:55,518
He threatened him after second place.

1931
01:57:55,966 --> 01:57:59,326
We all know how to interrogate.
I certainly

1932
01:57:59,390 --> 01:58:02,954
because I worked in the police.
We are wasting time.

1933
01:58:04,339 --> 01:58:12,437
Child participation
in theft is not denied,

1934
01:58:12,648 --> 01:58:18,633
The question is whether he did it
under threats from the other defendant...

1935
01:58:19,406 --> 01:58:21,781
...and what threats are we talking about.

1936
01:58:24,620 --> 01:58:28,875
I think you should find me
with the attorney general...

1937
01:58:28,971 --> 01:58:32,310
...and the defense lawyer.

1938
01:58:32,453 --> 01:58:35,929
The parole officer
and the assistant too.

1939
01:58:36,009 --> 01:58:41,298
I want to speak in my offices.
Thanks.

1940
01:58:46,506 --> 01:58:50,264
Let's see, this guy has been
in this courtroom twice before,

1941
01:58:50,612 --> 01:58:57,471
He is a naughty boy
but he never broke the law.

1942
01:58:58,290 --> 01:59:04,009
They didn't accuse him of serious crimes,
But the times he was here...

1943
01:59:04,089 --> 01:59:06,608
...it was due to discipline problems.

1944
01:59:07,279 --> 01:59:12,795
Not registered, but also
there is a drug problem.

1945
01:59:13,379 --> 01:59:16,118
They didn't accuse him of any
drug-related crime,

1946
01:59:16,229 --> 01:59:19,230
but the two young men, in my opinion,

1947
01:59:19,294 --> 01:59:22,578
stole places
to buy drugs.

1948
01:59:22,674 --> 01:59:25,822
For me, that was the motivation.

1949
01:59:25,934 --> 01:59:31,660
The adult admitted to officers
that he is addicted to heroin.

1950
01:59:31,861 --> 01:59:35,776
The minor admitted...

1951
01:59:36,685 --> 01:59:37,989
Have nothing to do with the crime,

1952
01:59:38,070 --> 01:59:42,564
but in conversations with
probation officers,

1953
01:59:42,676 --> 01:59:46,789
he admitted taking
drugs in the past.

1954
01:59:46,912 --> 01:59:52,976
He doesn't admit to being addicted,
but he says he took them...

1955
01:59:53,058 --> 01:59:58,061
...and that one time he had a problem
with his girlfriend and took heroin,

1956
01:59:58,141 --> 02:00:00,621
or something like that.

1957
02:00:00,766 --> 02:00:05,562
Typically, such serious accusations,
assault with a dangerous weapon,

1958
02:00:05,722 --> 02:00:08,890
are enough for the court
cease its jurisdiction...

1959
02:00:08,970 --> 02:00:11,065
...and be tried by a popular jury,

1960
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:17,146
But I have another view of the case,
by the child's age.

1961
02:00:17,242 --> 02:00:18,888
Judge, I want to tell you...

1962
02:00:19,651 --> 02:00:23,506
...which normally when
there is an adult co-defendant,

1963
02:00:23,824 --> 02:00:28,876
both are usually included
in the same trial.

1964
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:33,300
It is not essential that this minor...

1965
02:00:33,932 --> 02:00:38,870
...be transferred to the State for
be able to expose the accusation to both.

1966
02:00:39,565 --> 02:00:43,350
If within the benefits for
minors in this court...

1967
02:00:43,463 --> 02:00:47,675
...the child may be
included to stop drugs,

1968
02:00:50,559 --> 02:00:56,501
I wouldn't mind if the court
maintained its jurisdiction.

1969
02:00:57,010 --> 02:01:02,312
If he was transferred,
certainly Mr. Bostick...

1970
02:01:02,375 --> 02:01:06,192
...I would put him on a program
of drug addiction...

1971
02:01:06,288 --> 02:01:08,481
...and we would try
solve this case,

1972
02:01:08,544 --> 02:01:14,158
because crimes must be
tried by a popular jury.

1973
02:01:15,294 --> 02:01:16,918
But they are very serious...

1974
02:01:16,995 --> 02:01:22,374
...and if we get into the nuances
nice from whoever instigated who...

1975
02:01:22,471 --> 02:01:24,559
...and who is responsible, etc...

1976
02:01:24,656 --> 02:01:28,490
...the facts are enough
to be condemned.

1977
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,921
He is responsible, there is no 
doubt about that.

1978
02:01:32,018 --> 02:01:35,624
If the prosecution has proof, yes,

1979
02:01:35,688 --> 02:01:40,893
Or are you totally innocent?
or responsible,

1980
02:01:40,957 --> 02:01:44,531
there is no doubt
if we look at the facts.

1981
02:01:45,923 --> 02:01:49,426
It's either chicha or lemonade,
one or the other

1982
02:01:49,650 --> 02:01:51,665
But...

1983
02:01:52,284 --> 02:01:57,039
...I would like the court to listen
probation officers.

1984
02:01:57,120 --> 02:02:01,749
I don't think the boy has
drug problems now.

1985
02:02:01,828 --> 02:02:05,000
He willingly admitted...

1986
02:02:06,232 --> 02:02:08,519
...who tried them.

1987
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:13,226
The boy had psychological problems.
According to your parents...

1988
02:02:13,292 --> 02:02:19,196
...the boy visited a psychologist
before even moving to Memphis.

1989
02:02:19,293 --> 02:02:22,728
All we have to decide
It's if the boy...

1990
02:02:22,808 --> 02:02:25,962
...goes to a reformatory, as a minor,

1991
02:02:26,059 --> 02:02:30,302
...or if a popular jury
will judge him as an adult.

1992
02:02:30,366 --> 02:02:31,879
I understand, Your Honor,

1993
02:02:31,943 --> 02:02:36,029
But honestly, I think...

1994
02:02:37,218 --> 02:02:38,590
...anyway...

1995
02:02:38,983 --> 02:02:40,960
I talked to his parents this morning,

1996
02:02:41,022 --> 02:02:46,809
it would be easier if he was addicted to drugs,
If I took drugs every day...

1997
02:02:46,890 --> 02:02:49,492
...and these were the charges against him.

1998
02:02:49,876 --> 02:02:55,985
But jumping from a discipline problem,

1999
02:02:56,595 --> 02:03:02,551
to be a criminal with
very serious accusations,

2000
02:03:03,043 --> 02:03:08,971
Honestly, I don't think the kid wanted it
participate in armed robbery.

2001
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:13,087
Someone accompanied you and did something wrong,

2002
02:03:13,690 --> 02:03:15,961
I believe it to be true.

2003
02:03:16,043 --> 02:03:18,810
Maybe the boy thought
that he was with someone...

2004
02:03:18,859 --> 02:03:21,559
...that I was going to get some easy money,

2005
02:03:21,623 --> 02:03:26,602
but I don't think I would like
participate in armed robbery.

2006
02:03:26,666 --> 02:03:32,212
He didn't have money, he didn't have a
weapon and did not enter any facility.

2007
02:03:32,393 --> 02:03:34,745
He says he did it out of fear.

2008
02:03:35,121 --> 02:03:39,498
The other boy admitted that he threatened him.

2009
02:03:40,315 --> 02:03:45,244
I... I don't think so...
I wouldn't like to see the boy...

2010
02:03:45,324 --> 02:03:48,014
It is difficult to understand that they
accused of armed robbery...

2011
02:03:48,078 --> 02:03:50,775
- ...if you don't have a gun.
- Yes, of course,

2012
02:03:50,837 --> 02:03:53,561
that's why it's very
painful for parents.

2013
02:03:54,136 --> 02:03:56,899
I know the law and there is no doubt.

2014
02:03:56,963 --> 02:04:01,149
Mr. Herbert is the agent
parole assistant,

2015
02:04:01,214 --> 02:04:04,622
- Your reports are very favorable.
- Yes sir.

2016
02:04:04,802 --> 02:04:08,381
What do you think?
Have you seen him more often?

2017
02:04:08,429 --> 02:04:09,686
Yes sir.

2018
02:04:10,270 --> 02:04:14,085
Parents called me at night
in which he was arrested.

2019
02:04:14,761 --> 02:04:18,189
The next day I talked to Bob.

2020
02:04:19,438 --> 02:04:23,549
Bob has a problem,
something normal in adolescence.

2021
02:04:23,596 --> 02:04:29,007
I agree with Mr. Bostick,
I don't think he does drugs now.

2022
02:04:29,072 --> 02:04:31,686
He told me he had already taken it.

2023
02:04:34,649 --> 02:04:40,185
In your mind, as a teenager,
this was a way to escape.

2024
02:04:45,858 --> 02:04:49,810
The punishment criteria for
Bob are disconcerting.

2025
02:04:50,230 --> 02:04:54,411
He's more afraid of going to reform school
than being judged as an adult.

2026
02:04:54,972 --> 02:04:58,419
For me, this is unprecedented.
But it shows his immaturity.

2027
02:04:58,499 --> 02:05:00,114
He's a smart boy.

2028
02:05:00,702 --> 02:05:04,409
He himself underwent a TPH exam...

2029
02:05:04,621 --> 02:05:05,554
Excuse me

2030
02:05:05,618 --> 02:05:10,746
It is not true that the TPH test
Was it for drug use?

2031
02:05:11,366 --> 02:05:14,059
Yes. I think...

2032
02:05:17,139 --> 02:05:21,963
...was mingling with people,
friends, contacts,

2033
02:05:22,043 --> 02:05:28,324
that didn't suit him.
I think he wanted to make money,

2034
02:05:28,928 --> 02:05:32,180
but I didn't know it would be
an armed robbery.

2035
02:05:32,474 --> 02:05:37,254
What did the agent who saw him
lately, Mr. Gillespie, do you think?

2036
02:05:37,351 --> 02:05:42,195
Do you think you use drugs
or are you addicted to drugs?

2037
02:05:42,275 --> 02:05:47,399
No, sir, he denies it.
He says he tried.

2038
02:05:48,343 --> 02:05:51,684
His appearance is now explained because...

2039
02:05:51,828 --> 02:05:58,468
...is playing in a band
rock and had a concert.

2040
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:02,404
As I have understood,
That's how they want me to dress.

2041
02:06:05,067 --> 02:06:08,416
As for the hospital,

2042
02:06:09,596 --> 02:06:12,911
when he went to the hospital,
I had problems at home.

2043
02:06:13,411 --> 02:06:19,345
He even faced
physically your parents...

2044
02:06:19,974 --> 02:06:22,252
...and his girlfriend too.

2045
02:06:22,933 --> 02:06:25,518
He realized he needed help,

2046
02:06:25,582 --> 02:06:31,295
he didn't like the way he acted,

2047
02:06:31,392 --> 02:06:34,841
He wanted help and went to the
hospital voluntarily.

2048
02:06:35,213 --> 02:06:39,747
- He doesn't seem like a bad person.
- No sir, it's not.

2049
02:06:40,003 --> 02:06:41,846
Indeed, Your Honor,

2050
02:06:41,943 --> 02:06:45,477
the boy came to mine
office sometimes,

2051
02:06:45,688 --> 02:06:50,955
when I was here and
never had any problems,

2052
02:06:51,020 --> 02:06:53,926
He was always very polite.

2053
02:06:54,926 --> 02:06:59,685
Not what you would expect
of such a crime.

2054
02:07:00,655 --> 02:07:05,532
The truth is I'm inclined
to maintain jurisdiction...

2055
02:07:06,463 --> 02:07:09,278
I wonder if Mr. Bostick...

2056
02:07:09,935 --> 02:07:15,130
...do you have any idea that if the
jurisdiction is maintained,

2057
02:07:17,929 --> 02:07:24,997
instead of discussing whether the boy
should plead guilty,

2058
02:07:25,834 --> 02:07:29,750
taking into account that, if the
court maintains jurisdiction...

2059
02:07:29,815 --> 02:07:33,588
...this will take you to a school
reformatory.

2060
02:07:35,396 --> 02:07:38,534
Given the seriousness of the alleged facts,

2061
02:07:38,693 --> 02:07:41,301
the State's position will be hard line,

2062
02:07:41,399 --> 02:07:47,923
in case you request
parole.

2063
02:07:48,875 --> 02:07:54,019
I prefer the judge to decide.
It seems to me that...

2064
02:07:55,706 --> 02:08:03,720
...often we don't follow the
recipes from law books.

2065
02:08:04,558 --> 02:08:09,307
The personal goal we seek,
or that I chase

2066
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:12,410
is to get the best for the boy.

2067
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:18,599
It's true that you can
having to punish your parents,

2068
02:08:18,647 --> 02:08:24,417
they are partially responsible
for what the boy is today.

2069
02:08:25,543 --> 02:08:29,572
I want to achieve the best for the boy.

2070
02:08:29,876 --> 02:08:35,525
I don't think it's best for
society and for the boy,

2071
02:08:36,046 --> 02:08:40,492
be bringing them here and
put them in the county jail...

2072
02:08:40,557 --> 02:08:43,096
...to be tried as criminals,

2073
02:08:44,419 --> 02:08:46,079
for armed robbery.

2074
02:08:46,200 --> 02:08:50,366
As Mr. Herbert says,
The boy can't imagine what it is.

2075
02:08:50,428 --> 02:08:51,686
And...

2076
02:08:53,190 --> 02:08:55,884
...I think it's best for him...

2077
02:08:56,380 --> 02:08:59,558
...whatever the court thinks

2078
02:09:00,430 --> 02:09:04,928
In fact, he doesn't consider himself
guilty of no armed robbery

2079
02:09:04,993 --> 02:09:08,831
because he didn't intend to do that.

2080
02:09:08,912 --> 02:09:10,737
But as the judge already said,

2081
02:09:11,250 --> 02:09:17,041
the defendant does not know that it could be
tried for a misdemeanor.

2082
02:09:17,982 --> 02:09:19,883
To answer Mr. Graves,

2083
02:09:19,946 --> 02:09:22,731
Yes, I'm willing to condemn you
for a misdemeanor,

2084
02:09:22,959 --> 02:09:26,173
if the court decides to maintain
the jurisdiction of young people...

2085
02:09:26,268 --> 02:09:31,316
...the way the court
deem appropriate...

2086
02:09:31,396 --> 02:09:35,252
...the best for
young people and society.

2087
02:09:36,715 --> 02:09:41,068
If he pleads guilty 
of a simple robbery, twice

2088
02:09:41,276 --> 02:09:43,513
I'm sending him to juvie.

2089
02:09:44,357 --> 02:09:47,952
Do you mind if I talk
with the parents about it...

2090
02:09:48,081 --> 02:09:52,558
...and with the boy too? Thanks.

2091
02:10:00,251 --> 02:10:02,680
I will ask you to accept.

2092
02:10:03,192 --> 02:10:05,343
I know you will hate me
for the rest of my life,

2093
02:10:05,423 --> 02:10:07,989
But I think it's best for you.

2094
02:10:10,213 --> 02:10:13,348
You can't go to trial
and prove that I'm innocent?

2095
02:10:14,888 --> 02:10:16,183
Possibly

2096
02:10:16,232 --> 02:10:19,262
but you also run the risk of
serve a minimum of 20 years.

2097
02:10:19,917 --> 02:10:24,855
I'd rather see him in reform school
for a few months,

2098
02:10:25,064 --> 02:10:29,517
than 20 years in jail.

2099
02:10:30,582 --> 02:10:31,833
Whatever.

2100
02:10:35,454 --> 02:10:37,334
Why do people have to lie?

2101
02:10:40,954 --> 02:10:42,262
Mr. Bostick?

2102
02:10:43,086 --> 02:10:44,020
Judge,

2103
02:10:44,876 --> 02:10:50,292
The parents accept the commitment that the boy
attend reform school.

2104
02:10:50,931 --> 02:10:55,130
The boy lost control.

2105
02:10:56,338 --> 02:11:01,092
It seems to me that the state
boy's emotional...

2106
02:11:01,412 --> 02:11:04,781
...does not allow you 
make a decision.

2107
02:11:06,143 --> 02:11:08,768
I think Mr. Gillespie...

2108
02:11:10,537 --> 02:11:15,056
...can corroborate what I say.

2109
02:11:15,984 --> 02:11:21,671
Of course the best thing
for the boy it is accepting.

2110
02:11:22,734 --> 02:11:26,100
The only thing he thinks about now...

2111
02:11:27,552 --> 02:11:32,802
He justified in his mind
that he did it out of fear.

2112
02:11:34,152 --> 02:11:40,579
I don't know if I can feel
scared, just like him.

2113
02:11:41,406 --> 02:11:48,024
I swear he's more afraid of going to juvie
than going to a criminal court.

2114
02:11:49,039 --> 02:11:54,166
- I've seen some similar cases.
- He thinks his life is over.

2115
02:11:55,010 --> 02:11:57,833
What course did you achieve?
He doesn't go to school anymore, right?

2116
02:11:57,913 --> 02:12:00,413
He goes to high school, doesn't he?

2117
02:12:01,678 --> 02:12:06,981
He finished course 11 and I think
two credits left to finish,

2118
02:12:07,045 --> 02:12:11,910
but he already took the exam for
access a technical school...

2119
02:12:11,988 --> 02:12:16,240
...this fall and is
waiting for the results.

2120
02:12:16,982 --> 02:12:19,192
It's in Arlington.

2121
02:12:19,485 --> 02:12:23,297
Has the boy collapsed now?

2122
02:12:23,705 --> 02:12:26,098
Yes, it's out of control.

2123
02:12:26,582 --> 02:12:30,813
- Doesn't he realize he could spend 20 years in prison?
- No, sir.

2124
02:12:30,985 --> 02:12:35,402
No, it seems he doesn't understand.

2125
02:12:35,483 --> 02:12:38,517
It's not that he doesn't have
fear of prison,

2126
02:12:41,011 --> 02:12:43,022
is that he doesn't see beyond today,

2127
02:12:43,250 --> 02:12:45,858
In your mind, you don't see beyond today.

2128
02:12:46,515 --> 02:12:50,160
Of course, if a jury tries him
in a criminal court,

2129
02:12:50,171 --> 02:12:52,849
they would pay the bail and pass
a year until trial,

2130
02:12:52,929 --> 02:12:58,852
but if he now pleads guilty,

2131
02:12:58,931 --> 02:13:01,247
will be sent immediately
to the reformatory.

2132
02:13:01,375 --> 02:13:05,611
Yes, but we tried to convince him...

2133
02:13:06,043 --> 02:13:09,543
...telling him he might not
be able to pay bail...

2134
02:13:09,650 --> 02:13:14,824
and he will be arrested
awaiting trial.

2135
02:13:16,597 --> 02:13:18,949
And he lost his composure...

2136
02:13:19,015 --> 02:13:22,373
He is not in a position to decide
the best for your future.

2137
02:13:22,453 --> 02:13:24,526
- True.
- As your lawyer,

2138
02:13:24,606 --> 02:13:29,723
if he thinks that if he declares
guilty, it's better for him,

2139
02:13:29,787 --> 02:13:33,158
- I'll accept it and move on.
- That's what I'm going to do.

2140
02:13:33,202 --> 02:13:34,954
I can't do anything else.

2141
02:13:36,874 --> 02:13:40,449
He will hate me for the rest of his life,
but it's the only thing I can do.

2142
02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:49,236
One day he will understand that it was
best that could be done.

2143
02:13:51,297 --> 02:13:53,957
If there is nothing else,
Let's go back to the room.

2144
02:14:06,237 --> 02:14:09,747
Robert Singleton,
Do you want to say something to the court...

2145
02:14:09,841 --> 02:14:12,251
...before a decision is made?

2146
02:14:13,740 --> 02:14:17,529
I can only tell you that I am
innocent and that I feel trapped.

2147
02:14:18,811 --> 02:14:22,654
Is there no justice?
Is there no justice for me?

2148
02:14:23,671 --> 02:14:27,074
I have to spend 6 months in
reform school...

2149
02:14:27,254 --> 02:14:33,249
...for something I didn't do or run the
risk of spending 20 years in prison?

2150
02:14:33,873 --> 02:14:35,417
I can't choose.

2151
02:14:36,369 --> 02:14:38,381
I'm stuck both ways.

2152
02:14:41,412 --> 02:14:44,595
Robert, I don't know why
You think you didn't do anything.

2153
02:14:44,791 --> 02:14:47,784
The fact is that you are guilty.

2154
02:14:48,102 --> 02:14:50,664
Sir, I was threatened with death.

2155
02:14:51,719 --> 02:14:53,237
The detectives...

2156
02:14:54,637 --> 02:14:57,925
When Anthony Martin declared for
first time, I was present.

2157
02:14:58,308 --> 02:15:01,152
He made his statement and I mine.

2158
02:15:01,337 --> 02:15:02,682
I told them...

2159
02:15:04,338 --> 02:15:07,461
...that Anthony threatened me
of death from the beginning.

2160
02:15:07,636 --> 02:15:11,171
Anthony asked the detective
Pitts, if you could include him,

2161
02:15:11,252 --> 02:15:13,689
but he refused.

2162
02:15:14,082 --> 02:15:19,030
The detective said he could
explain all this at the trial.

2163
02:15:20,754 --> 02:15:24,542
And now I'm stuck, because they
They want to lock me up for nothing,

2164
02:15:24,714 --> 02:15:26,622
for something I didn't do.

2165
02:15:29,510 --> 02:15:31,545
Can't you see my situation?

2166
02:15:33,684 --> 02:15:36,253
I see your situation, Robert.

2167
02:15:38,586 --> 02:15:42,006
But according to the law,
you are totally to blame.

2168
02:15:44,122 --> 02:15:47,726
I should have left him
shoot me, sir?

2169
02:15:49,095 --> 02:15:52,829
You say he put a gun in
your temple and forced you to drive?

2170
02:15:53,602 --> 02:15:55,744
No, but he said he would kill me.

2171
02:15:56,493 --> 02:16:01,352
If someone robs a store
with a gun in your pocket,

2172
02:16:01,776 --> 02:16:06,738
You don't know if he has a gun
but you assume so you don't die.

2173
02:16:08,422 --> 02:16:11,526
I didn't know if he was going to kill me,

2174
02:16:11,606 --> 02:16:13,765
I didn't know him very well.

2175
02:16:14,005 --> 02:16:17,647
What if he had killed me?
I took a risk with my life.

2176
02:16:20,343 --> 02:16:23,253
Robert, it seems like you are 
arguing...

2177
02:16:23,332 --> 02:16:29,315
and you are convinced that what you say
It's true, but no one believes it anymore,

2178
02:16:29,676 --> 02:16:31,353
In these circumstances...

2179
02:16:31,892 --> 02:16:38,318
You are accused of armed robbery,
twice.

2180
02:16:39,683 --> 02:16:42,301
Do you know what the penalty is 
for this crime?

2181
02:16:42,381 --> 02:16:45,499
The maximum sentence is the electric chair,

2182
02:16:45,559 --> 02:16:48,083
This is how serious this problem is.

2183
02:16:48,393 --> 02:16:50,939
If this court gives up 
of its jurisdiction,

2184
02:16:51,095 --> 02:16:55,174
to be tried by a criminal court,

2185
02:16:55,642 --> 02:17:01,476
I think the least you
would get 20 years in prison.

2186
02:17:01,733 --> 02:17:03,648
Your lawyer knows...

2187
02:17:04,679 --> 02:17:08,227
and me too,
and I don't want you to live that.

2188
02:17:09,401 --> 02:17:12,900
This is what will happen to you,
That's what would happen to you.

2189
02:17:13,188 --> 02:17:16,237
You don't seem like a bad person.

2190
02:17:17,073 --> 02:17:21,033
Your parents, your lawyer
and this court,

2191
02:17:21,096 --> 02:17:25,301
- they want the best for you.
- Yes sir.

2192
02:17:25,381 --> 02:17:29,044
And at the same time,
protect society.

2193
02:17:29,366 --> 02:17:31,174
We must comply with the law.

2194
02:17:32,429 --> 02:17:33,626
At this moment,

2195
02:17:35,360 --> 02:17:41,072
I declare him guilty twice
times of the crime of theft.

2196
02:17:44,468 --> 02:17:48,887
I order you to be admitted
at the Tennessee Reformatory,

2197
02:17:49,189 --> 02:17:50,982
for an indefinite period.

2198
02:17:51,300 --> 02:17:55,823
You will go to Reform School
Professional for boys.

2199
02:17:56,617 --> 02:18:00,057
You can make life
easy or difficult there.

2200
02:18:00,171 --> 02:18:03,944
The length of your stay
it will depend on you.

2201
02:18:07,218 --> 02:18:09,934
In time, Robert,
you will certainly notice

2202
02:18:10,303 --> 02:18:14,795
That what we did today
It's for your good.

2203
02:18:17,215 --> 02:18:19,384
Anything else, Mr. Bostick?

2204
02:18:19,891 --> 02:18:23,767
Mr. Singleton, this court
requires parents to contribute...

2205
02:18:23,798 --> 02:18:26,872
...to help minors
at the Reformatory School,

2206
02:18:26,952 --> 02:18:32,696
according to your possibilities,
according to your income and work...

2207
02:18:34,929 --> 02:18:36,878
Do you think it's fair?

2208
02:18:37,923 --> 02:18:42,503
...pay $75 a month
to the court clerk?

2209
02:18:42,584 --> 02:18:44,696
- I think it's fair, sir.
- He is well.

2210
02:18:45,031 --> 02:18:46,686
That's what the court orders.

2211
02:18:46,766 --> 02:18:49,827
Every month please
make a money order,

2212
02:18:49,906 --> 02:18:55,444
a money order or a check
certificate for Juvenile Court

2213
02:18:56,083 --> 02:18:58,582
worth $75. Thank you

2214
02:18:59,192 --> 02:19:02,289
The session lasted until 2:30.

2215
02:19:02,490 --> 02:19:07,294
Robert, it was a miracle.
They wanted 20 years.

2216
02:19:08,942 --> 02:19:11,769
It happened to a boy two months ago,
It was a driver...

2217
02:19:11,833 --> 02:19:15,171
and they gave him the chair,
he's on death row.

2218
02:19:15,251 --> 02:19:20,666
A white boy, driver,
they gave him the electric chair.

2219
02:19:20,918 --> 02:19:24,537
It's a miracle.
I know it's very difficult,

2220
02:19:25,716 --> 02:19:31,602
but this can be deleted.
This history can be deleted.

2221
02:19:32,058 --> 02:19:35,437
In 10 years, this will be
just a nightmare.

2222
02:19:35,502 --> 02:19:39,763
On the other hand,
you will take him to the grave.

2223
02:19:40,054 --> 02:19:44,476
It was a miracle.
I want you to see it this way.

2224
02:19:44,573 --> 02:19:49,563
It's difficult, but it's a miracle.
That man saved you.

2225
02:19:49,758 --> 02:19:52,863
- Why do you have to lie?
- Because you were the driver,

2226
02:19:52,959 --> 02:19:56,347
It doesn't matter if you just watched
or whatever

2227
02:19:58,243 --> 02:20:02,627
Be a man,
You're almost an adult.

2228
02:20:02,898 --> 02:20:07,463
It's a hard decision to swallow,
but can be deleted.

2229
02:20:08,143 --> 02:20:11,509
- This is America, believe me.
- An injustice was done.

2230
02:20:11,588 --> 02:20:16,177
This morning I thought
you would get 20 years.

2231
02:20:19,508 --> 02:20:21,416
So...

2232
02:20:47,125 --> 02:20:48,289
Thank you.

2233
02:20:54,796 --> 02:20:56,968
- Good job.
Thanks.

2234
02:20:57,452 --> 02:21:00,285
- He doesn't really agree.
- It will be with time.

2235
02:21:00,382 --> 02:21:02,264
He accused me of lying...

2236
02:21:25,288 --> 02:21:32,488
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