1 00:00:04,404 --> 00:00:05,773 - In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:06,306 --> 00:00:07,909 sexually based offenses 3 00:00:07,976 --> 00:00:10,010 are considered especially heinous. 4 00:00:10,077 --> 00:00:12,446 In New York City, the dedicated detectives 5 00:00:12,547 --> 00:00:14,281 who investigate these vicious felonies 6 00:00:14,348 --> 00:00:15,984 are members of an elite squad 7 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:17,819 known as the Special Victims Unit. 8 00:00:17,919 --> 00:00:19,687 These are their stories. 9 00:00:29,898 --> 00:00:31,498 - I am so sorry. 10 00:00:31,566 --> 00:00:33,133 - Take it easy. You made it, you made it. 11 00:00:33,166 --> 00:00:36,136 Come here. Sit down. 12 00:00:36,203 --> 00:00:38,372 Excuse me, can I get a glass of wine here? 13 00:00:38,472 --> 00:00:40,008 - Uh, did you hear from your mother? 14 00:00:40,073 --> 00:00:42,075 - Yeah, the last report from Staten Island 15 00:00:42,109 --> 00:00:43,711 is that the kids are making popcorn, 16 00:00:43,811 --> 00:00:45,078 they're watching movies 17 00:00:45,178 --> 00:00:46,480 that they probably shouldn't be watching, 18 00:00:46,548 --> 00:00:48,048 but everybody's happy. 19 00:00:48,115 --> 00:00:49,918 - Thank you. - Uh... 20 00:00:49,984 --> 00:00:51,218 Liv keep you late, or...? 21 00:00:51,251 --> 00:00:52,754 - No, she had to kick me out. 22 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:56,758 I--I just-- I lost track of time. 23 00:00:56,858 --> 00:00:58,593 I'm really sorry. - No, no, no. 24 00:00:58,660 --> 00:01:00,360 Relax, relax. Look. 25 00:01:00,394 --> 00:01:01,796 Sounds to me like you're finally back 26 00:01:01,829 --> 00:01:03,631 in a job that makes you happy. 27 00:01:03,698 --> 00:01:05,867 - I am. 28 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,902 Happy. 29 00:01:07,969 --> 00:01:09,169 It's just weird. 30 00:01:09,269 --> 00:01:10,505 - Why is that weird? - I don't know. 31 00:01:10,538 --> 00:01:13,206 I'm just-- I guess I'm just used to 32 00:01:13,307 --> 00:01:17,444 hopping around different jobs, and this feels... 33 00:01:17,512 --> 00:01:19,446 permanent. 34 00:01:19,514 --> 00:01:20,648 - Enjoy it. 35 00:01:20,715 --> 00:01:21,683 Be bored. 36 00:01:21,716 --> 00:01:23,350 - Mm. - Just for a minute. 37 00:01:23,383 --> 00:01:24,484 Here. 38 00:01:26,119 --> 00:01:28,022 Happy second anniversary. 39 00:01:28,056 --> 00:01:29,089 - Yes. 40 00:01:32,225 --> 00:01:33,493 I don't think that's how it goes. 41 00:01:36,396 --> 00:01:39,033 - Uh, silence is almost eerie. 42 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:40,334 - Hear me complaining? 43 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,637 Hey, I'm gonna take a shower. 44 00:01:42,737 --> 00:01:43,938 Don't you go anywhere. 45 00:01:44,005 --> 00:01:45,172 - Mm. 46 00:01:56,483 --> 00:01:58,720 Sonny? 47 00:02:02,489 --> 00:02:03,457 Sonny? 48 00:02:24,378 --> 00:02:25,079 Drop it. 49 00:02:25,178 --> 00:02:26,246 - Lower the gun. 50 00:02:26,313 --> 00:02:27,615 - Drop it or I'll shoot. 51 00:02:27,749 --> 00:02:31,318 - Shoot and Counselor Carisi dies, Sergeant Rollins. 52 00:02:31,385 --> 00:02:33,320 - It's okay, it's okay. 53 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:35,489 - Put it on the ground. Kick it to me. 54 00:02:35,556 --> 00:02:36,557 - There's still time to get out of this. 55 00:02:36,591 --> 00:02:38,893 - Do it! 56 00:02:47,635 --> 00:02:48,803 I said to me! 57 00:02:48,870 --> 00:02:50,104 - Just forget about the gun. 58 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:51,973 Just--just tell us what you want. 59 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:53,240 - Back up. 60 00:02:56,644 --> 00:02:58,178 - All right. 61 00:02:59,814 --> 00:03:02,116 - He walks over slow. 62 00:03:02,249 --> 00:03:03,316 You tie him up. 63 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:04,652 - I'm not doing that. 64 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:05,887 - I'm in control. 65 00:03:05,953 --> 00:03:07,822 - Amanda. 66 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:13,094 - Do it! 67 00:03:13,161 --> 00:03:15,596 Unravel it. 68 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:16,698 - No. 69 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:18,900 - Unravel it! 70 00:03:28,076 --> 00:03:28,943 - Don't move. 71 00:03:33,313 --> 00:03:34,582 - Are you okay? - I'm okay, I'm okay. 72 00:03:34,682 --> 00:03:35,917 Go, go. Go. 73 00:04:45,553 --> 00:04:46,954 - Amanda, it's funny. - Anything? 74 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,756 - Uh, not yet, 75 00:04:48,823 --> 00:04:50,191 but we have every cop in the city on the lookout. 76 00:04:50,258 --> 00:04:52,160 - Okay, just make sure that they have his full description. 77 00:04:52,226 --> 00:04:53,895 Um, he was white. 78 00:04:53,995 --> 00:04:56,164 Um, he was young, 20s, probably. 79 00:04:56,230 --> 00:04:58,032 He had medium build. He had brown eyes. 80 00:04:58,132 --> 00:04:59,399 - Okay, Amanda, we got it. 81 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:00,601 Why don't--why don't you have a seat, honey? 82 00:05:00,668 --> 00:05:01,936 Okay? 83 00:05:01,969 --> 00:05:04,806 Look, is there anything at all familiar about him? 84 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,675 Did you--the sound of his voice, a familiar scent? 85 00:05:07,742 --> 00:05:08,976 - No, if we know him, we didn't recognize him. 86 00:05:09,076 --> 00:05:10,178 - No. 87 00:05:10,278 --> 00:05:11,646 - But he sure as hell knew who we were. 88 00:05:11,679 --> 00:05:13,147 - Yeah, he knew our names. And he knew how to break in. 89 00:05:13,181 --> 00:05:14,849 He was waiting here for us, Liv. 90 00:05:14,916 --> 00:05:17,518 - Did he say anything that gives us motive, anything? 91 00:05:17,618 --> 00:05:19,220 - Oh, he wanted us both dead. 92 00:05:19,253 --> 00:05:20,555 Okay? He didn't need to say it. 93 00:05:20,655 --> 00:05:22,455 - And the way he referred to us, Sergeant, Counselor-- 94 00:05:22,557 --> 00:05:24,659 like, I know that we're looking at a targeted attack, 95 00:05:24,725 --> 00:05:26,493 but I think it could be revenge. 96 00:05:26,561 --> 00:05:28,796 - I'm sending a protective detail, okay? 97 00:05:28,830 --> 00:05:31,065 To Staten Island for your kids and your parents. 98 00:05:31,098 --> 00:05:36,003 And I'm putting you two in a hotel until we know more. 99 00:05:36,070 --> 00:05:37,772 - Good. - This could've-- 100 00:05:37,872 --> 00:05:40,007 this could have been really, really bad. 101 00:05:40,074 --> 00:05:43,010 - And it wasn't because you kept your head about you 102 00:05:43,077 --> 00:05:44,444 and you protected yourself. 103 00:05:44,512 --> 00:05:46,413 And you are safe and your children are safe. 104 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:47,615 We're gonna- - Widen the perimeter. 105 00:05:47,682 --> 00:05:50,084 And I want a patrol car on every block 106 00:05:50,184 --> 00:05:53,621 a mile out until we say otherwise. 107 00:05:55,089 --> 00:05:58,192 Hey, uh, I just wanted to see with my own eyes 108 00:05:58,259 --> 00:05:59,193 that you were all right. 109 00:05:59,293 --> 00:06:00,528 - We're fine. Thank you, Chief. 110 00:06:00,595 --> 00:06:02,063 - The department is devoting 111 00:06:02,163 --> 00:06:04,464 every available resource to this. 112 00:06:04,497 --> 00:06:07,068 We will be meticulous and swift. 113 00:06:07,168 --> 00:06:10,403 Um, my personal number. 114 00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:12,773 Call any time. - Appreciate it, Chief. 115 00:06:13,875 --> 00:06:15,643 - Yeah. 116 00:06:21,082 --> 00:06:24,085 You all right? 117 00:06:24,151 --> 00:06:26,020 - You want the honest answer? 118 00:06:26,087 --> 00:06:27,655 Me neither. 119 00:06:27,722 --> 00:06:29,223 - When it happens to one of us, it happens to all of us. 120 00:06:29,290 --> 00:06:30,558 - Yeah. 121 00:06:30,591 --> 00:06:32,727 - I'm here to support you, whatever you need. 122 00:06:34,662 --> 00:06:38,099 - Well, I want is for you to take the lead on this. 123 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:39,233 And before you answer-- 124 00:06:39,333 --> 00:06:40,835 - Done. 125 00:06:40,868 --> 00:06:42,803 - Wow, okay. 126 00:06:42,904 --> 00:06:44,404 Uh, thank you. 127 00:06:44,471 --> 00:06:47,174 - She'll, uh, need to be on modified 128 00:06:47,208 --> 00:06:48,643 while the shooting is being reviewed. 129 00:06:48,743 --> 00:06:50,011 - Of course. 130 00:06:50,111 --> 00:06:51,444 - Give up her gun, 131 00:06:51,512 --> 00:06:52,613 which I imagine will go over like a lead balloon. 132 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,116 - She-- she understands protocol. 133 00:06:55,182 --> 00:06:58,352 - Still, if you need me to be the bad guy, I'll take the hit. 134 00:06:58,451 --> 00:07:01,289 Tell her I won't listen to reason. 135 00:07:01,389 --> 00:07:02,690 - I appreciate that. 136 00:07:04,525 --> 00:07:06,861 I'll handle it. - Sure. 137 00:07:06,928 --> 00:07:12,099 - And, um, I'll get her on top of the list for the psych eval. 138 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:14,869 You just find who did this. 139 00:07:14,969 --> 00:07:16,570 - I will. 140 00:07:19,941 --> 00:07:22,243 Hey, what did we get from the witnesses? 141 00:07:22,310 --> 00:07:23,377 - Neighbor's a bust. 142 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:24,512 He heard the guy in the fire escape. 143 00:07:24,578 --> 00:07:25,947 He couldn't get a good look. 144 00:07:26,047 --> 00:07:27,447 - But the Amazon driver did, 145 00:07:27,515 --> 00:07:29,250 said that he saw a man in a COVID mask 146 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:30,284 get into a blue Honda. 147 00:07:30,384 --> 00:07:31,319 - We get a license plate? 148 00:07:31,419 --> 00:07:33,721 - No. Let me show you why. 149 00:07:35,990 --> 00:07:38,292 The plate's got some kind of cover on it. 150 00:07:38,359 --> 00:07:39,360 The guy knows what he's doing. 151 00:07:39,393 --> 00:07:40,828 - It's too far away to ID the driver, 152 00:07:40,895 --> 00:07:42,530 but the perp gets into the passenger side. 153 00:07:42,563 --> 00:07:43,864 - Which means that he had an accomplice. 154 00:07:43,931 --> 00:07:45,533 - Did any other cameras pick this up? 155 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:46,801 - No, none better than this. 156 00:07:46,901 --> 00:07:48,369 We'll put out an APB on what we got. 157 00:07:48,468 --> 00:07:49,971 - Okay, did we get anything back from the labs? 158 00:07:50,071 --> 00:07:51,572 - No prints on the cord that was left behind, 159 00:07:51,672 --> 00:07:54,308 but they're pushing his blood through CODIS. 160 00:07:54,375 --> 00:07:56,010 - Hey, where's-- where's Rollins? 161 00:08:00,114 --> 00:08:01,382 So tell me you wanna be alone 162 00:08:01,449 --> 00:08:02,750 without telling me you wanna be alone. 163 00:08:02,783 --> 00:08:04,719 - I just needed to focus. 164 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:06,654 - Yeah, focus on your old cases? 165 00:08:06,754 --> 00:08:08,488 - I've got it narrowed down. 166 00:08:08,556 --> 00:08:12,293 - Based on what? - Motive and recent releases. 167 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,394 Here's Robert Watson. 168 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:14,929 He was a fire escape peeping Tom 169 00:08:14,962 --> 00:08:17,565 we collared few weeks ago for the third time. 170 00:08:17,631 --> 00:08:18,966 Somehow he made bail. 171 00:08:19,066 --> 00:08:21,302 Michael Simmons, a rapist who was escalating 172 00:08:21,369 --> 00:08:23,270 when I arrested him ten years ago. 173 00:08:23,337 --> 00:08:25,239 He was released last month. 174 00:08:25,272 --> 00:08:27,108 Then we got Bruce Ingram. 175 00:08:27,174 --> 00:08:29,977 He threatened to kill Carisi after his arraignment. 176 00:08:30,077 --> 00:08:31,612 Um, he was just found not guilty at trial. 177 00:08:31,712 --> 00:08:33,381 - Yeah, I remember him. 178 00:08:33,481 --> 00:08:34,815 He had a bogus alibi. - Mm-hmm. 179 00:08:34,915 --> 00:08:37,451 - But then DNA exonerated him in the final hour. 180 00:08:37,485 --> 00:08:40,187 - Could still hold a grudge, so I figured I'll run 'em down, 181 00:08:40,254 --> 00:08:41,822 uh, rule 'em out with their voices. 182 00:08:41,889 --> 00:08:44,825 - Yeah, okay, so, uh, we knew that the review of the shooting 183 00:08:44,859 --> 00:08:46,460 would come back clean. - Yeah. 184 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,195 - But you still need to clear psych. 185 00:08:48,262 --> 00:08:51,265 - Yeah, but look, Bruno's out, you know, for a funeral. 186 00:08:51,332 --> 00:08:52,566 We're down a man, so I just figured-- 187 00:08:52,666 --> 00:08:53,901 - You figured--figured what? 188 00:08:54,001 --> 00:08:57,138 You figured I'd just let you skip that part? 189 00:08:57,238 --> 00:08:59,640 No, that's--that's-- it's just not good for anyone. 190 00:08:59,740 --> 00:09:04,311 Plus, Tynan, uh, is expediting your appointment. 191 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:05,746 - Great. - Yeah. 192 00:09:05,813 --> 00:09:07,214 - All right, so the quicker it's done, the better. 193 00:09:07,281 --> 00:09:11,685 - Yeah, the quicker you talk to someone, the better. 194 00:09:11,786 --> 00:09:16,791 Because, if you don't, it'll only get worse. 195 00:09:16,891 --> 00:09:19,894 In the meantime, I'll have Curry and Griffin... 196 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,929 Pay these three a visit. 197 00:09:24,765 --> 00:09:25,900 - Talk to my attorney. 198 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:27,268 - Not the best way to start, Bruce. 199 00:09:27,334 --> 00:09:28,503 - But they found me not guilty. 200 00:09:28,569 --> 00:09:29,603 Can't you people just leave me alone? 201 00:09:29,703 --> 00:09:31,072 - This isn't about that case. 202 00:09:31,172 --> 00:09:33,707 It's about Assistant District Attorney Carisi. 203 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:35,676 - Never heard of him. - No? 204 00:09:35,776 --> 00:09:37,278 Well, he's the prosecutor that you threatened to kill 205 00:09:37,378 --> 00:09:38,579 after your arraignment. 206 00:09:38,646 --> 00:09:40,181 Or does that not ring any bells? 207 00:09:40,247 --> 00:09:41,550 - What about him? 208 00:09:41,649 --> 00:09:43,250 - He and his wife were attacked last night. 209 00:09:43,317 --> 00:09:45,019 - It's got nothing to do with me. 210 00:09:45,119 --> 00:09:48,622 - So threatening to kill him was what, a hilarious joke? 211 00:09:48,689 --> 00:09:50,491 - I was mad. 212 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,460 Cops accused me of hurting that girl. 213 00:09:52,561 --> 00:09:54,061 That prosecutor tried to seal the deal. 214 00:09:54,128 --> 00:09:55,062 He ruined my life. 215 00:09:55,096 --> 00:09:56,697 - Sounds like motive. 216 00:09:56,797 --> 00:09:58,132 - You already got my DNA. 217 00:09:58,232 --> 00:09:59,867 - Yeah, we do. 218 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:01,735 But if you want me out of your hair faster, 219 00:10:01,802 --> 00:10:04,004 give me a voice recording and an alibi. 220 00:10:05,507 --> 00:10:07,708 - I was here working. 221 00:10:07,808 --> 00:10:10,579 And I did my time. Don't I get a second chance? 222 00:10:10,644 --> 00:10:12,179 - Yeah, looks like you're living it. 223 00:10:12,246 --> 00:10:15,282 Only place that would hire me. 224 00:10:15,382 --> 00:10:17,785 It's better than being locked up like some caged animal. 225 00:10:17,885 --> 00:10:20,721 - Well, ten years, oof, it's a long time. 226 00:10:20,821 --> 00:10:23,824 Maybe long enough to want Sergeant Rollins dead. 227 00:10:26,260 --> 00:10:27,328 - She's dead? 228 00:10:27,394 --> 00:10:30,464 - No, but someone tried. 229 00:10:30,565 --> 00:10:33,535 And it looks like that doesn't surprise you. 230 00:10:33,568 --> 00:10:35,570 - I didn't do it. 231 00:10:35,636 --> 00:10:36,904 But you hear things on the inside. 232 00:10:36,937 --> 00:10:38,573 I'm not the only one she put away. 233 00:10:38,672 --> 00:10:40,674 - Anyone who's capable of doing this? 234 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:42,176 - None I'd be willing to say. 235 00:10:42,276 --> 00:10:43,377 - Hey. 236 00:10:43,477 --> 00:10:45,646 You like being out of the cage, right? 237 00:10:47,414 --> 00:10:52,019 Let's keep it that way. Give me names and your voice. 238 00:10:52,086 --> 00:10:56,390 - Shoot, and Counselor Carisi dies, Sergeant Rollins. 239 00:10:56,490 --> 00:10:57,458 - It's not them. - Are you sure? 240 00:10:57,526 --> 00:10:59,561 - No, I'm positive. 241 00:10:59,594 --> 00:11:01,262 Anything on the names that Simmons gave us? 242 00:11:01,328 --> 00:11:03,565 - Griffin checked them out. They're all still in prison. 243 00:11:03,632 --> 00:11:05,900 - Okay, and did we talk to Robert Watson? 244 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,002 - Talked to his parole officer. 245 00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:10,471 Watson was in Central Booking at the time of the attack. 246 00:11:10,572 --> 00:11:11,372 - Still nothing on the blue Honda? 247 00:11:11,472 --> 00:11:12,673 - Not yet. 248 00:11:12,706 --> 00:11:13,974 I mean, my guess is, they either ditched it 249 00:11:14,074 --> 00:11:15,376 or they're laying low somewhere. 250 00:11:15,442 --> 00:11:16,911 - Or they uncovered the plates 251 00:11:16,977 --> 00:11:18,513 and they're halfway to the Midwest right now 252 00:11:18,580 --> 00:11:19,980 and we are back to square one. 253 00:11:20,915 --> 00:11:21,982 - Okay. - Yeah. 254 00:11:22,016 --> 00:11:23,484 - Perp's blood came back from the lab. 255 00:11:23,585 --> 00:11:26,588 Matched an attempted murder from a week ago in Brooklyn. 256 00:11:26,687 --> 00:11:29,089 Vic's name, Diana Vitale, 62. 257 00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:30,625 Neighbor found her tied up with a cord. 258 00:11:30,659 --> 00:11:33,127 Multiple stab wounds-- - Wait, I know that name. 259 00:11:33,194 --> 00:11:35,062 Diana Vitale. She's a court reporter. 260 00:11:35,129 --> 00:11:36,197 She's retired now, 261 00:11:36,263 --> 00:11:37,632 but she worked a lot of trials with Carisi. 262 00:11:37,698 --> 00:11:39,166 - Brooklyn Homicide get any leads? 263 00:11:39,233 --> 00:11:40,635 - Not yet, no. But Vitale survived. 264 00:11:40,701 --> 00:11:41,603 She's still in the hospital. 265 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:43,003 - Great, I'll talk to her. 266 00:11:43,103 --> 00:11:44,271 - I can-- 267 00:11:44,338 --> 00:11:47,609 - Amanda, you still need to get to your psych eval. 268 00:11:47,676 --> 00:11:50,044 You gotta do it. - Yeah. 269 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:51,680 Thanks. 270 00:11:55,382 --> 00:11:57,151 - Diana Vitale. 271 00:11:57,251 --> 00:11:59,253 A stab in the back that led to paralysis. 272 00:11:59,353 --> 00:12:01,789 Two more to the abdomen, one of which punctured her stomach. 273 00:12:01,889 --> 00:12:04,325 Led to sepsis we couldn't control. 274 00:12:04,358 --> 00:12:06,260 She was one of yours? 275 00:12:06,327 --> 00:12:08,128 - She is now. 276 00:12:16,605 --> 00:12:17,738 - Ready, Amanda? 277 00:12:21,976 --> 00:12:23,444 - You come out of retirement just for me? 278 00:12:24,878 --> 00:12:26,914 - I still fill in from time to time, 279 00:12:26,947 --> 00:12:29,850 especially at Olivia's request. 280 00:12:36,658 --> 00:12:39,460 - Uh, yeah, so I'm sleeping fine. 281 00:12:39,527 --> 00:12:41,428 There's no insomnia, no nightmares. 282 00:12:41,529 --> 00:12:43,565 - Any re-experiencing? 283 00:12:43,665 --> 00:12:45,899 - A little. - What crosses your mind? 284 00:12:45,966 --> 00:12:48,035 - What I would have done differently. 285 00:12:48,102 --> 00:12:49,870 What--what-- 286 00:12:49,937 --> 00:12:53,140 could have happened if my kids were home. 287 00:12:53,207 --> 00:12:55,209 - When you go to that place, how do you feel? 288 00:12:55,276 --> 00:12:56,977 - Angry. 289 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,282 Powerless. 290 00:13:01,382 --> 00:13:05,185 But after that, um, you know, I feel focused. 291 00:13:05,286 --> 00:13:06,453 - So I've heard. 292 00:13:06,554 --> 00:13:09,390 Benson tells me you've hit the ground running. 293 00:13:09,423 --> 00:13:10,692 - What else does she tell you? 294 00:13:10,725 --> 00:13:15,329 - She told me you returned recently to SVU. 295 00:13:15,396 --> 00:13:19,900 Before that, a stint at Intel, professor at Fordham. 296 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:22,537 You like to move around. 297 00:13:22,637 --> 00:13:24,071 - I don't see how that's relevant. 298 00:13:27,642 --> 00:13:29,611 - I'm not trying to trick you, Amanda. 299 00:13:29,678 --> 00:13:30,811 You and I both know 300 00:13:30,878 --> 00:13:32,146 that you'll come up with a good answer 301 00:13:32,246 --> 00:13:33,748 for every question that I ask you, 302 00:13:33,782 --> 00:13:36,785 but what you should also know is that all I want out of this 303 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:39,754 is for you to be honest. 304 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:44,659 So why don't you like to stay put? 305 00:13:46,728 --> 00:13:50,699 I guess it comes from how I grew up. 306 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:53,735 - Abusive father, addicted sister. 307 00:13:53,802 --> 00:13:56,504 That must be a very unsettling way to grow up. 308 00:13:56,571 --> 00:14:00,775 - Yeah, you're always waiting for the shoe to drop. 309 00:14:00,841 --> 00:14:05,979 And you're always braced for impact. 310 00:14:06,046 --> 00:14:07,981 I got out of there as quick as I could. 311 00:14:08,048 --> 00:14:12,453 - Still, it couldn't have been easy. 312 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,457 Must have felt like you had no control over your life. 313 00:14:16,490 --> 00:14:17,991 Like you were powerless. 314 00:14:21,128 --> 00:14:23,097 - Yeah. 315 00:14:23,197 --> 00:14:27,434 - It's easy to equate movement with survival. 316 00:14:27,535 --> 00:14:29,604 Evolutionarily, it makes sense. 317 00:14:29,637 --> 00:14:31,405 Motion has always meant life. 318 00:14:31,472 --> 00:14:36,176 If you stay still, you get left behind. 319 00:14:36,243 --> 00:14:38,713 - I guess I don't like being still, then. 320 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:42,784 Then I'd like to give you a little advice. 321 00:14:42,817 --> 00:14:45,820 After I clear you and you return to the field 322 00:14:45,953 --> 00:14:47,856 and you find the man who did this, 323 00:14:47,955 --> 00:14:53,427 what I would like for you to do is to slow down. 324 00:15:01,201 --> 00:15:03,638 - What else do we know about Diana Vitale? 325 00:15:03,671 --> 00:15:05,540 - Not much--retired last year, 326 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,207 widowed, no kids, no known enemies. 327 00:15:07,307 --> 00:15:09,076 - Aside from the dozens of scumbags 328 00:15:09,176 --> 00:15:11,513 she reported on the court she shared with Carisi. 329 00:15:11,579 --> 00:15:12,913 - And me. 330 00:15:12,946 --> 00:15:14,181 So there's 82 cases where 331 00:15:14,281 --> 00:15:16,417 Vitale, Carisi, and I intersect. 332 00:15:16,518 --> 00:15:18,385 - Okay, any stick out? - I'm narrowing it down, 333 00:15:18,419 --> 00:15:20,755 but I opened it up to ViCAP and I got a hit in Queens. 334 00:15:20,855 --> 00:15:22,289 Julia Pratt, all right? 335 00:15:22,356 --> 00:15:24,191 She, um, she's 20. 336 00:15:24,258 --> 00:15:25,860 Same MO-- the break in and wait. 337 00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:27,094 She was tied up with the black cord 338 00:15:27,127 --> 00:15:29,096 and she was murdered in her apartment building 339 00:15:29,163 --> 00:15:30,732 with a knife two weeks ago. 340 00:15:30,832 --> 00:15:32,132 - Any connection to law enforcement? 341 00:15:32,199 --> 00:15:34,201 - Not in ViCAP, but her sister Rose is in Astoria. 342 00:15:34,301 --> 00:15:35,703 She might be able to tell us more. 343 00:15:35,770 --> 00:15:38,205 - Okay, you two stay on Diana Vitale. 344 00:15:38,305 --> 00:15:40,809 Phones, emails. See what you can dig up. 345 00:15:40,875 --> 00:15:42,209 - Okay. 346 00:15:43,711 --> 00:15:45,814 - How'd it go with Wong? 347 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,414 - Fine. He cleared me. - Yeah, I know. 348 00:15:47,448 --> 00:15:50,083 He, uh--I talked to him. 349 00:15:50,117 --> 00:15:52,085 - You checking up on me? 350 00:15:52,119 --> 00:15:53,855 - Yes, Amanda, I am. 351 00:15:53,922 --> 00:15:57,324 The same way you would do if it were me. 352 00:15:57,391 --> 00:15:58,626 - Captain. 353 00:15:58,726 --> 00:16:00,595 Dispatch called about a white male at an urgent care. 354 00:16:00,695 --> 00:16:03,230 Nurse said it's a gunshot wound, left shoulder. 355 00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:06,066 - Change of plan. Head to the urgent care. 356 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:14,876 - He came in dodgy, aggressive with my receptionist. 357 00:16:14,943 --> 00:16:16,243 - And what'd he say had happened to him? 358 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:17,745 - Said he was working construction. 359 00:16:17,779 --> 00:16:19,581 Said someone clipped him with a nail gun, 360 00:16:19,647 --> 00:16:22,917 but I took one look at it and I knew that it was a bullet. 361 00:16:23,016 --> 00:16:24,084 They tried to cut it out themselves. 362 00:16:24,184 --> 00:16:25,452 They tried to clean it. 363 00:16:25,553 --> 00:16:27,421 - Who is they? - He was with a woman. 364 00:16:27,488 --> 00:16:30,324 White, brown hair. She looked strung out. 365 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:31,626 - Okay. 366 00:16:31,659 --> 00:16:34,027 We are gonna need the footage from those cameras. 367 00:16:34,127 --> 00:16:36,731 - They don't work, but I did see them drive off. 368 00:16:36,831 --> 00:16:39,199 - Blue Honda? - Yeah. 369 00:16:39,266 --> 00:16:41,401 Caught the first few digits of the license plate. 370 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:47,942 - My sister lit up every room she walked into. 371 00:16:47,976 --> 00:16:50,678 I still can't understand who would wanna hurt her. 372 00:16:50,745 --> 00:16:52,346 - I'm so sorry, Rose. 373 00:16:52,379 --> 00:16:55,382 We just have a few more questions for you, okay? 374 00:16:55,482 --> 00:16:59,419 - So we understand that Julia worked in fashion. 375 00:16:59,521 --> 00:17:01,154 Is that right? 376 00:17:01,221 --> 00:17:03,123 - She went to FIT. 377 00:17:03,156 --> 00:17:06,628 Her internship gave her a job after she graduated. 378 00:17:06,694 --> 00:17:10,063 - Was there ever a time that she explored law enforcement? 379 00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:11,799 - Law enforcement? 380 00:17:11,866 --> 00:17:13,400 No. 381 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:14,636 Why? 382 00:17:14,669 --> 00:17:16,403 - Because the man who hurt her 383 00:17:16,504 --> 00:17:19,039 uh, may have been targeting the justice system 384 00:17:19,072 --> 00:17:20,207 and we're trying to figure out 385 00:17:20,307 --> 00:17:25,145 if Julia had some other connection to it. 386 00:17:25,212 --> 00:17:27,649 - Our aunt is a judge. 387 00:17:29,116 --> 00:17:31,719 She took us in after our mom walked out, 388 00:17:31,786 --> 00:17:36,056 became our legal guardian, retired to Florida in May. 389 00:17:37,692 --> 00:17:41,395 - Your--your aunt is Judge Anita Wright? 390 00:17:43,330 --> 00:17:45,198 - Diana Vitale, me, and Carisi, 391 00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:47,100 there's 82 overlapping cases, 392 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:49,136 but only 5 including Judge Anita Wright. 393 00:17:49,236 --> 00:17:50,203 - So it could have been the defendant 394 00:17:50,304 --> 00:17:51,606 in any one of those cases. 395 00:17:51,673 --> 00:17:54,742 - No, no, I know who it is. 396 00:17:54,809 --> 00:17:56,044 Henry Mesner. 397 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:58,078 We first encountered him in 2013. 398 00:17:58,145 --> 00:17:59,714 He was abusing his little sister, Ruby. 399 00:17:59,781 --> 00:18:03,618 - Yeah, so he was released from juvenile detention in 2021. 400 00:18:03,685 --> 00:18:05,687 He got out, he raped a college student, 401 00:18:05,787 --> 00:18:07,922 and then he murdered his family. 402 00:18:07,989 --> 00:18:09,256 - Yeah, I remember this case. 403 00:18:09,356 --> 00:18:11,559 Rollins saved his sister after he took her hostage. 404 00:18:11,593 --> 00:18:14,028 - And after we arrested Henry, he stabbed Carisi 405 00:18:14,127 --> 00:18:15,495 in a competency hearing. 406 00:18:15,563 --> 00:18:17,097 - This guy's not still just walking around out there? 407 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:18,833 - No, no, no. He stood trial. 408 00:18:18,866 --> 00:18:20,835 He's 5 years into 60 at Sing Sing. 409 00:18:20,902 --> 00:18:23,170 - But that doesn't mean he's not still pulling the strings. 410 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:26,206 And to find out how, we need to go talk to him. 411 00:18:26,273 --> 00:18:28,241 Maybe not. 412 00:18:28,308 --> 00:18:30,745 TARU found the blue Honda based on the partial plate. 413 00:18:30,845 --> 00:18:33,047 It belongs to an 18-year-old 414 00:18:33,146 --> 00:18:34,916 with a rap sheet for drug possession. 415 00:18:35,016 --> 00:18:36,985 - We know her? 416 00:18:40,054 --> 00:18:44,058 - That-- - That's Henry's sister. 417 00:18:44,124 --> 00:18:45,994 That's Ruby Mesner. 418 00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:55,369 - Our son moved to California. 419 00:18:56,203 --> 00:18:58,706 That's when we got the idea to foster. 420 00:18:58,773 --> 00:19:02,644 Ruby was placed with us five years ago. 421 00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:04,411 She hardly spoke at first. 422 00:19:04,478 --> 00:19:06,413 - But she had what she needed-- 423 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,248 a bed, food. 424 00:19:08,315 --> 00:19:09,884 - We tried to love her. 425 00:19:09,951 --> 00:19:12,152 We thought she'd be okay for a while, beat the odds. 426 00:19:12,185 --> 00:19:15,056 - And then she started having problems? 427 00:19:15,123 --> 00:19:17,190 - School called every other day. 428 00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:19,326 Grades slipping, running away, 429 00:19:19,393 --> 00:19:21,062 kept finding pills under her mattress. 430 00:19:21,161 --> 00:19:22,597 - We called her social worker, 431 00:19:22,697 --> 00:19:25,767 and they put her into rehab for a month. 432 00:19:25,867 --> 00:19:27,935 But things only got worse. 433 00:19:28,036 --> 00:19:31,706 - Was--was Ruby ever, uh, violent? 434 00:19:31,773 --> 00:19:33,373 - Only with herself. 435 00:19:33,473 --> 00:19:37,377 She cut her arms so deep, it was just awful. 436 00:19:37,444 --> 00:19:41,248 - After Ruby turned 18, got herself arrested for drugs. 437 00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:43,383 That was enough. 438 00:19:43,483 --> 00:19:46,888 I told her she had to leave, and I'm not sorry I did. 439 00:19:46,988 --> 00:19:48,856 It was the right thing. 440 00:19:51,059 --> 00:19:54,028 - Do you have any idea where she might be 441 00:19:54,095 --> 00:19:56,164 or who she might be with? 442 00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:57,665 - My guess is with her boyfriend. 443 00:19:57,765 --> 00:19:58,733 - What's his name? 444 00:19:58,766 --> 00:20:01,201 - Phillip something. We never met him. 445 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:02,670 - She was with him 446 00:20:02,737 --> 00:20:04,939 when she called begging for money a few weeks ago. 447 00:20:05,006 --> 00:20:06,541 Heard her talking to him. 448 00:20:06,607 --> 00:20:08,109 - The number we have for Ruby traces back to this address, 449 00:20:08,208 --> 00:20:09,409 but it went dead months ago. 450 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:11,679 - It wasn't her phone she called from. 451 00:20:11,746 --> 00:20:15,750 We still have the number. I--I tried it a few times. 452 00:20:15,783 --> 00:20:18,986 Ruby never picks up. 453 00:20:19,053 --> 00:20:21,923 - TARU is looking into this number that Ruby called from. 454 00:20:21,989 --> 00:20:23,057 Hopefully, it'll tell us something 455 00:20:23,091 --> 00:20:24,692 about whoever this Phillip is. 456 00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:27,161 - It won't tell us about his connection to Henry. 457 00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:28,696 We should be headed to Sing Sing right now. 458 00:20:28,796 --> 00:20:30,998 - Yeah, so Amanda, I haven't made a decision about 459 00:20:31,065 --> 00:20:33,266 whether talking to Henry is the best idea. 460 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,402 - Well, that's all we have. 461 00:20:35,503 --> 00:20:37,471 Uh, besides this phone number. 462 00:20:37,538 --> 00:20:39,239 And we don't know if the killing spree is over yet. 463 00:20:39,306 --> 00:20:40,708 - But we do know Henry. 464 00:20:40,808 --> 00:20:42,409 And we know that he'd love nothing more 465 00:20:42,476 --> 00:20:45,445 than to string us along and play games 466 00:20:45,513 --> 00:20:46,881 whether he knows something or not. 467 00:20:46,981 --> 00:20:50,250 - It's no coincidence that his sister is the getaway driver. 468 00:20:50,317 --> 00:20:52,820 And Henry can play games all he wants, 469 00:20:52,887 --> 00:20:54,122 but if he knows something, 470 00:20:54,188 --> 00:20:56,124 I'll be able to tell just by looking at him. 471 00:20:56,224 --> 00:20:58,659 - I know you would. 472 00:20:58,726 --> 00:20:59,894 But I would too. 473 00:21:03,097 --> 00:21:06,366 And I'll be going to Sing Sing myself. 474 00:21:10,171 --> 00:21:12,173 - Henry hasn't caused any problems. 475 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,608 - Was he close with anyone? 476 00:21:13,674 --> 00:21:16,511 Maybe a guard or an inmate who's been released recently? 477 00:21:16,577 --> 00:21:18,079 - Uh, not that I know of. 478 00:21:18,146 --> 00:21:19,412 Have a seat. 479 00:21:19,479 --> 00:21:20,915 - Thank you. - Yeah. 480 00:21:20,948 --> 00:21:22,884 - And what about his communication with the outside? 481 00:21:22,984 --> 00:21:25,119 - Nothing in his incoming mail to alert our staff. 482 00:21:25,186 --> 00:21:26,954 And nothing outgoing. 483 00:21:27,021 --> 00:21:30,792 - So he hasn't made any calls lately or had any visitors? 484 00:21:30,858 --> 00:21:32,292 - No. 485 00:21:32,392 --> 00:21:35,663 His last visit was a year ago-- his sister, Ruby Mesner. 486 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:38,331 - Oh, well, you know what they talked about? 487 00:21:38,398 --> 00:21:41,702 No, there's not much in the transcript. 488 00:21:41,769 --> 00:21:44,371 Uh, the guards had to pull her out of the room pretty quick. 489 00:21:44,437 --> 00:21:45,640 - Why is that? 490 00:21:45,706 --> 00:21:47,708 - Because she tried to attack him. 491 00:22:03,191 --> 00:22:04,959 Have a seat, Henry. 492 00:22:07,962 --> 00:22:10,932 You look happy to see me. 493 00:22:10,998 --> 00:22:13,568 - It's been a long time since I had any visitors. 494 00:22:13,634 --> 00:22:17,138 - Well, I heard that you've actually adjusted quite well. 495 00:22:17,205 --> 00:22:21,474 No disciplinary measures, no issues with other inmates. 496 00:22:21,576 --> 00:22:24,145 - I'll probably die in here. 497 00:22:24,245 --> 00:22:25,680 Shouldn't I be making the most of it? 498 00:22:25,746 --> 00:22:31,185 - Well, that depends on what that means to you. 499 00:22:31,252 --> 00:22:33,521 - I think it means reform, 500 00:22:33,588 --> 00:22:36,257 rehabilitation, responsibility. 501 00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:37,859 - For what you did to your family. 502 00:22:39,894 --> 00:22:42,096 For what you did to Ruby. 503 00:22:42,163 --> 00:22:46,466 I heard that she actually came to visit you a while back. 504 00:22:46,534 --> 00:22:51,606 And, uh, things got a little, little dicey? 505 00:22:51,672 --> 00:22:55,309 - I don't think you came here about my sister. 506 00:22:55,343 --> 00:22:57,144 I think you're here about something else. 507 00:23:01,249 --> 00:23:03,985 - Why do you think I'm here? 508 00:23:04,085 --> 00:23:06,486 Gotta say, 509 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,789 I'm surprised that you're the one coming to see me. 510 00:23:08,823 --> 00:23:11,259 - Were you expecting someone else? 511 00:23:11,325 --> 00:23:13,961 - Always had a soft spot for Detective Rollins. 512 00:23:13,995 --> 00:23:15,395 - Yeah, I remember that. 513 00:23:15,462 --> 00:23:18,699 Well, she's actually a sergeant now. 514 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:20,268 - Good for her. 515 00:23:20,368 --> 00:23:22,069 And I heard she's married. 516 00:23:22,103 --> 00:23:23,004 To what's-his-name? 517 00:23:23,104 --> 00:23:26,574 Ah, Lawyer Carisi. 518 00:23:26,674 --> 00:23:27,975 Tell them both I said hello. 519 00:23:28,042 --> 00:23:30,711 - I will. 520 00:23:30,811 --> 00:23:33,614 After I tell them that I was right. 521 00:23:33,648 --> 00:23:34,849 - Right about what? 522 00:23:37,251 --> 00:23:39,687 - That talking to you was a waste of time. 523 00:23:44,592 --> 00:23:45,860 - Maybe I'm just talking to the wrong person. 524 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,494 You know, if Sergeant Rollins was here-- 525 00:23:47,561 --> 00:23:49,530 - I'm not here to negotiate, Henry. 526 00:23:49,597 --> 00:23:52,566 - Well, then I guess we're both walking away empty-handed. 527 00:23:52,633 --> 00:23:54,035 - You wanna know what I think? 528 00:23:55,503 --> 00:23:59,040 I think you got nothing to say. 529 00:24:03,244 --> 00:24:05,079 Goodbye, Henry. 530 00:24:13,788 --> 00:24:15,523 - Hey, was just in the neighborhood. 531 00:24:15,589 --> 00:24:18,526 I had to, um-- had to pick up some stuff. 532 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:19,894 - Yeah? - Uh-huh. 533 00:24:19,961 --> 00:24:21,195 - What stuff? 534 00:24:21,262 --> 00:24:22,462 All right. Sue me. 535 00:24:22,495 --> 00:24:23,898 Look, I'm just checking in on you. 536 00:24:23,965 --> 00:24:25,266 - Uh-huh. 537 00:24:25,366 --> 00:24:26,934 - Listen, this, uh, this Henry Mesner thing. 538 00:24:27,034 --> 00:24:28,703 - Yeah. Benson thinks he's bluffing. 539 00:24:28,769 --> 00:24:29,937 She won't let me go in. 540 00:24:30,037 --> 00:24:31,572 - Yeah, well, maybe she's got a point. 541 00:24:31,639 --> 00:24:32,773 Look, at best, he's full of it. 542 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,443 At worst, he's--he's not. He could be dangerous. 543 00:24:35,509 --> 00:24:37,912 - Are you saying that as the ADA or as my husband? 544 00:24:37,979 --> 00:24:38,879 - I'm saying it as both. 545 00:24:38,946 --> 00:24:40,681 - Okay, I appreciate it, but right now, 546 00:24:40,781 --> 00:24:42,650 me going in to talk to Henry might be the only way 547 00:24:42,717 --> 00:24:43,918 we catch the guy that did this to us. 548 00:24:45,386 --> 00:24:46,921 - What is it? 549 00:24:47,021 --> 00:24:49,256 - TARU traced the number that Ruby missed her call from. 550 00:24:49,357 --> 00:24:52,460 A Phillip Wingate. We've got an address. 551 00:24:52,526 --> 00:24:54,562 - NYPD! 552 00:24:54,628 --> 00:24:56,430 - Go, go, go, go! 553 00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:58,933 - Phillip Wingate, NYPD! We have a warrant! 554 00:25:01,402 --> 00:25:02,436 - Pushing up! 555 00:25:12,913 --> 00:25:14,648 - Clear. - Clear! 556 00:25:42,777 --> 00:25:43,944 - Hey. 557 00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:47,715 - These are the names of the victims. 558 00:25:47,815 --> 00:25:49,250 - Yeah. 559 00:25:49,316 --> 00:25:52,386 Public court records on Henry's cases, news articles about him. 560 00:25:52,453 --> 00:25:53,421 - Got movement upstairs. 561 00:25:53,487 --> 00:25:56,023 Bedroom door. Ready to breach. 562 00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:04,533 - NYPD, coming in. 563 00:26:11,672 --> 00:26:13,841 Okay. Okay. 564 00:26:18,345 --> 00:26:19,914 Ruby? 565 00:26:24,118 --> 00:26:25,520 Ruby, where is Phillip? 566 00:26:44,872 --> 00:26:46,240 - Phillip Wingate, 28, parents are deceased 567 00:26:47,374 --> 00:26:48,776 and he's lived with his grandmother since he was three. 568 00:26:48,876 --> 00:26:50,044 - Spotty employment records. 569 00:26:50,077 --> 00:26:52,379 He was fired from his last job six months ago 570 00:26:52,413 --> 00:26:53,681 right around the time his grandma died 571 00:26:53,747 --> 00:26:55,082 and left him the townhouse. 572 00:26:55,116 --> 00:26:56,383 - No criminal record. 573 00:26:56,484 --> 00:26:59,053 - Only juvenile, which is why his DNA wasn't in the system. 574 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,455 When Phillip was 12, he abused a younger cousin. 575 00:27:01,556 --> 00:27:05,059 - Guy had a thing for hunting squirrels in Central Park. 576 00:27:05,159 --> 00:27:06,595 - Checks all the boxes. 577 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:08,496 - So what did we learn from these journals? 578 00:27:08,530 --> 00:27:10,898 - Yeah, guy is very prolific. 579 00:27:10,998 --> 00:27:14,201 He writes his victims' names over and over and over again 580 00:27:14,268 --> 00:27:16,971 with what seems like either poetry or gibberish. 581 00:27:17,037 --> 00:27:18,372 - And a lot of writing about Henry. 582 00:27:18,472 --> 00:27:19,840 I mean, he's obviously obsessed. 583 00:27:19,907 --> 00:27:21,909 - But it doesn't explain how they met 584 00:27:21,976 --> 00:27:23,545 or whether Henry put Phillip up to this. 585 00:27:23,644 --> 00:27:24,879 - And nothing that indicates 586 00:27:24,945 --> 00:27:26,914 where he is now or where he's headed next. 587 00:27:26,981 --> 00:27:28,282 - There's over a dozen of these things 588 00:27:28,382 --> 00:27:29,383 we're still sorting through. 589 00:27:29,416 --> 00:27:32,119 - I say we just ask her. 590 00:27:46,433 --> 00:27:47,968 - I know you. 591 00:27:48,068 --> 00:27:49,803 - Yeah, you do. 592 00:27:49,904 --> 00:27:51,272 We helped you out a long time ago, 593 00:27:51,305 --> 00:27:52,940 and we might be able to help you out now 594 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,942 if you're willing to talk to us. 595 00:27:55,042 --> 00:27:56,110 - I don't know where Phillip is. 596 00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:57,912 - Yeah, but you do know 597 00:27:57,978 --> 00:28:01,415 how this whole thing started, don't you, Ruby? 598 00:28:01,448 --> 00:28:03,851 We spoke with your foster parents. 599 00:28:03,951 --> 00:28:05,886 - They don't care about me. 600 00:28:05,953 --> 00:28:08,889 - I think they tried to. 601 00:28:08,989 --> 00:28:12,092 But look, after everything that you've gone through, 602 00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:13,861 I certainly understand how it feels, 603 00:28:13,928 --> 00:28:18,365 like nobody cares, but that's not true. 604 00:28:18,432 --> 00:28:21,902 We care. And we'd like to help you. 605 00:28:21,936 --> 00:28:24,171 But we need for you to be honest with us 606 00:28:24,238 --> 00:28:25,406 for us to do that. 607 00:28:25,439 --> 00:28:28,442 Can you do that? 608 00:28:28,510 --> 00:28:32,246 So why don't you tell us about Phillip? 609 00:28:32,346 --> 00:28:34,348 How did you two meet? 610 00:28:34,381 --> 00:28:38,620 - He found me a few months ago. 611 00:28:38,653 --> 00:28:40,421 He said he wanted to take care of me. 612 00:28:40,522 --> 00:28:41,690 - Mm-hmm. 613 00:28:41,755 --> 00:28:44,258 - At first, it was fine. 614 00:28:44,325 --> 00:28:47,861 He didn't really want anything from me. 615 00:28:47,962 --> 00:28:49,531 Until he started asking questions. 616 00:28:49,631 --> 00:28:51,700 - About Henry? 617 00:28:51,732 --> 00:28:53,568 - Yeah. 618 00:28:53,668 --> 00:28:56,370 What he was like. 619 00:28:56,437 --> 00:28:58,339 How much I remember from when he'd hurt me. 620 00:28:58,439 --> 00:29:00,542 - Does Phillip know Henry? 621 00:29:00,642 --> 00:29:02,309 - No. 622 00:29:02,409 --> 00:29:03,578 No, no. 623 00:29:03,645 --> 00:29:05,980 He--he said he heard about him on a podcast 624 00:29:06,046 --> 00:29:08,415 or the news or something. 625 00:29:08,516 --> 00:29:10,217 - Ruby, why is Phillip doing this? 626 00:29:10,284 --> 00:29:11,452 - I don't know. 627 00:29:11,553 --> 00:29:13,688 He would just-- 628 00:29:13,821 --> 00:29:15,590 he would say things I didn't know what they meant. 629 00:29:15,657 --> 00:29:18,092 - Well, what-- what kind of things? 630 00:29:18,158 --> 00:29:19,393 - He was like-- 631 00:29:19,493 --> 00:29:21,795 he was like, in service of Henry. 632 00:29:21,862 --> 00:29:25,366 I don't--he was like, wanted to be close to him. 633 00:29:25,432 --> 00:29:28,435 - So that's--that's why he sought you out, huh? 634 00:29:30,771 --> 00:29:34,308 - Once he did, I couldn't escape. 635 00:29:34,408 --> 00:29:37,344 - So you just... 636 00:29:37,378 --> 00:29:38,479 went along with it? 637 00:29:41,882 --> 00:29:44,818 You waited while he murdered those people, 638 00:29:44,918 --> 00:29:46,588 and you drove the getaway car? 639 00:29:46,655 --> 00:29:48,690 - Phillip was gonna kill me. What was I supposed to do? 640 00:29:48,723 --> 00:29:51,058 - I don't know, go to the cops? 641 00:29:51,158 --> 00:29:52,226 Call us? 642 00:29:52,326 --> 00:29:54,228 Get out of there? 643 00:29:54,261 --> 00:29:57,931 And instead, you helped him kill those people 644 00:29:57,998 --> 00:29:59,701 and come after me and my family. 645 00:29:59,734 --> 00:30:01,035 - No, he just told me to drive. 646 00:30:01,135 --> 00:30:02,369 I didn't--I didn't know what he was doing-- 647 00:30:02,469 --> 00:30:04,138 - Yeah, you don't know a whole lot, do you, Ruby? 648 00:30:04,204 --> 00:30:05,774 Like--like where Phillip is. You don't know that? 649 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:06,874 - Sergeant. - I was afraid! 650 00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:09,476 - Oh, I don't believe you, Ruby. 651 00:30:09,577 --> 00:30:10,844 I don't. 652 00:30:10,944 --> 00:30:12,146 I think you're protecting Phillip and your brother. 653 00:30:12,212 --> 00:30:14,114 - Okay, Sergeant, that's enough-- 654 00:30:14,214 --> 00:30:15,650 - You know what? I saved your life. 655 00:30:15,684 --> 00:30:17,318 - I wish you didn't! 656 00:30:17,384 --> 00:30:18,520 - So do I! 657 00:30:18,620 --> 00:30:21,088 - Hey. We're done here. 658 00:30:21,188 --> 00:30:22,389 Rollins, now. 659 00:30:28,395 --> 00:30:29,463 Are you kidding me? 660 00:30:29,531 --> 00:30:30,632 - Yeah? - What was that? 661 00:30:30,732 --> 00:30:32,132 You need to cool down. 662 00:30:32,166 --> 00:30:33,434 - Cool down? 663 00:30:33,467 --> 00:30:34,569 - We need her to talk! 664 00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:36,136 - Yes, and in her current state, 665 00:30:36,236 --> 00:30:37,905 I'm not sure that she can tell us-- 666 00:30:37,971 --> 00:30:40,240 - Who cares about her current state? 667 00:30:40,307 --> 00:30:43,043 There's a murderer out there, Liv, and she's involved! 668 00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:45,179 - I care about her current state, and so should you. 669 00:30:45,245 --> 00:30:46,980 After everything that that girl has been through? 670 00:30:47,014 --> 00:30:48,583 Are you kidding me? - She helped Phillip. 671 00:30:48,683 --> 00:30:49,917 And now we don't know whether Henry's-- 672 00:30:49,983 --> 00:30:51,452 Henry's behind him. 673 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,656 - Henry is playing us, and she just about confirmed that. 674 00:30:54,756 --> 00:30:56,457 All that guy wants is your attention. 675 00:30:56,490 --> 00:30:58,158 - Yeah, well, he has it. 676 00:30:58,225 --> 00:30:59,794 You know, and I could use that if you'd let me go talk to him. 677 00:30:59,893 --> 00:31:01,028 - Because I'm trying to protect you. 678 00:31:01,061 --> 00:31:03,430 - I don't need your protection. 679 00:31:03,531 --> 00:31:05,165 I need you to trust me. 680 00:31:05,232 --> 00:31:06,634 - Okay, that's not what this is about. 681 00:31:06,735 --> 00:31:08,102 - Then why did you take me out of the room? 682 00:31:08,168 --> 00:31:10,371 - Because you're not yourself. 683 00:31:10,471 --> 00:31:14,441 That girl needs our help, not an interrogation. 684 00:31:14,509 --> 00:31:16,977 She's a victim of both Henry and Phillip. 685 00:31:17,044 --> 00:31:18,345 And quite frankly, so are you. 686 00:31:18,445 --> 00:31:20,948 - Oh, my God. You never turn it off. 687 00:31:21,014 --> 00:31:22,449 - What does that mean? 688 00:31:22,517 --> 00:31:24,753 - It means not everyone deserves your empathy, Olivia. 689 00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:38,867 - I can't have you on this case anymore, Amanda. 690 00:31:38,899 --> 00:31:40,134 You're off. 691 00:32:10,397 --> 00:32:11,498 - Hello, Amanda. 692 00:32:20,307 --> 00:32:21,308 - I had a feeling you'd come. 693 00:32:21,975 --> 00:32:24,244 - You asked for me, didn't you? 694 00:32:24,311 --> 00:32:26,848 - Do you remember the last thing you said to me? 695 00:32:26,915 --> 00:32:28,048 - I'm surprised if you do, 696 00:32:28,115 --> 00:32:30,284 considering how drugged up you were. 697 00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:32,953 - If you ever go after anyone in my family again, 698 00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,055 it'll be your last day on Earth? 699 00:32:35,122 --> 00:32:37,191 Is that why you came? 700 00:32:37,257 --> 00:32:39,159 - To kill you? - No. 701 00:32:39,226 --> 00:32:43,030 - You can't do that until you know it was me or not. 702 00:32:43,063 --> 00:32:45,900 - I know who it is. 703 00:32:45,966 --> 00:32:48,335 Why I'm here is to see if you do. 704 00:32:54,475 --> 00:32:56,511 - You want to know if I recognize them? 705 00:32:56,578 --> 00:32:57,812 - No, I know you do. 706 00:32:57,912 --> 00:32:59,046 These are all people that helped put you away. 707 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:00,949 And the person who's going after them, Henry, 708 00:33:01,014 --> 00:33:03,651 I gotta tell you, they're pretty good at it. 709 00:33:05,152 --> 00:33:08,989 But this person is smart, organized, 710 00:33:09,089 --> 00:33:11,626 like they're on a mission. 711 00:33:18,999 --> 00:33:21,603 It's your sister, Henry. It's Ruby. 712 00:33:25,005 --> 00:33:27,742 - Ruby didn't do any of this. She's not capable. 713 00:33:27,842 --> 00:33:28,843 - Are you sure about that? 714 00:33:28,943 --> 00:33:30,845 - Are you dumb? 715 00:33:30,912 --> 00:33:32,012 She's weak, pathetic. 716 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,014 She's a victim, always will be. 717 00:33:34,081 --> 00:33:35,884 - Okay, thank you. 718 00:33:35,984 --> 00:33:40,020 - W--what I meant to say was 719 00:33:40,053 --> 00:33:42,557 she couldn't have done it by herself. 720 00:33:46,761 --> 00:33:48,763 She couldn't have known how to hold the knife 721 00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:53,433 or what it would feel like when you push it into someone. 722 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:57,906 The soft belly, the bony throat. 723 00:33:57,972 --> 00:34:01,543 It's a very specific skill set. 724 00:34:01,643 --> 00:34:05,479 - And who do we think helped her navigate all that? 725 00:34:05,547 --> 00:34:08,650 Who had that-- that right set of skills? 726 00:34:08,683 --> 00:34:10,050 - I did. 727 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,454 It wasn't very hard. 728 00:34:14,488 --> 00:34:17,992 Guards are easy, let me use their phones. 729 00:34:18,058 --> 00:34:19,493 I had a plan. 730 00:34:19,527 --> 00:34:21,395 I just needed someone to help me carry it out. 731 00:34:21,461 --> 00:34:23,965 You know, Ruby works best being directed. 732 00:34:24,064 --> 00:34:27,035 - No, Henry, I think she did this alone. 733 00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:29,102 I think she broke into these people's houses 734 00:34:29,169 --> 00:34:30,337 and she stabbed them to death all by herself. 735 00:34:30,404 --> 00:34:32,339 - She couldn't have done anything without me. 736 00:34:32,372 --> 00:34:33,608 - Oh, so you're the mastermind? 737 00:34:33,675 --> 00:34:35,743 - Yes, I am. 738 00:34:41,883 --> 00:34:43,183 - No, you're not. 739 00:34:45,987 --> 00:34:49,089 But you are pathetic. 740 00:34:52,961 --> 00:34:55,063 And you got one thing right. 741 00:34:55,095 --> 00:34:56,998 Ruby didn't kill these people. 742 00:34:57,097 --> 00:34:58,498 A man named Phillip Wingate did. 743 00:34:58,566 --> 00:34:59,634 He's the mastermind, 744 00:34:59,701 --> 00:35:04,739 and you are a cautionary tale at best. 745 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,810 You're nothing. 746 00:35:08,843 --> 00:35:10,545 And now we both know it. 747 00:35:18,953 --> 00:35:20,822 - If I tell you what I know, will you come back to see me? 748 00:35:20,888 --> 00:35:22,657 - It's too late, Henry. 749 00:35:22,757 --> 00:35:24,659 Goodbye. 750 00:35:24,726 --> 00:35:25,893 - I know him. 751 00:35:25,994 --> 00:35:28,395 I know of him, technically, 752 00:35:28,462 --> 00:35:30,565 and I can tell you about it if you promise. 753 00:35:30,632 --> 00:35:33,534 And I mean really promise to come back and see me 754 00:35:33,601 --> 00:35:35,670 every now and again. 755 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,678 - Yeah, if what you tell me is actually helpful, 756 00:35:43,745 --> 00:35:47,280 I'll come visit you. 757 00:35:47,314 --> 00:35:48,850 - I get a bunch of fan letters. 758 00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:51,251 Never read them, but... 759 00:35:51,351 --> 00:35:56,724 I know a ton of them came from someone who signed them as PW. 760 00:36:07,535 --> 00:36:11,304 - Judge's niece, court reporter. 761 00:36:11,338 --> 00:36:14,976 Next I say hello to the childhood doctor. 762 00:36:22,116 --> 00:36:24,351 Liv, Phillip is going after the doctor 763 00:36:24,451 --> 00:36:26,286 that Henry saw when he was a kid. 764 00:36:26,353 --> 00:36:29,624 He's going after Wong. 765 00:36:37,932 --> 00:36:39,867 - Oh, he's already here. 766 00:36:39,967 --> 00:36:41,869 Okay, go, now. 767 00:36:47,942 --> 00:36:50,678 - NYPD! - Go, go, go, go! 768 00:36:50,778 --> 00:36:53,114 - Clear! - Move in. 769 00:36:53,181 --> 00:36:56,184 - Wong, are you all right? 770 00:36:56,249 --> 00:36:58,218 - Mm. Mm. - You sure? 771 00:36:58,318 --> 00:36:59,654 Where'd he go? 772 00:36:59,721 --> 00:37:02,355 - Uh, he--he heard the sirens and he went out the back. 773 00:37:02,422 --> 00:37:04,324 - Okay. Get an EMT in here now! 774 00:37:04,424 --> 00:37:06,226 - All right, all units, suspect is on foot. 775 00:37:06,259 --> 00:37:08,863 Back exit. I repeat, back exit. 776 00:37:16,204 --> 00:37:17,505 - Stop right there! 777 00:37:37,091 --> 00:37:39,093 - Hey! 778 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,361 No getaway driver, huh? 779 00:37:41,394 --> 00:37:42,663 - 'Cause you took her from me. 780 00:37:42,730 --> 00:37:44,132 - She was never yours to begin with. 781 00:37:44,198 --> 00:37:45,800 Drop the knife. 782 00:37:45,833 --> 00:37:46,868 You're under arrest. 783 00:37:46,968 --> 00:37:49,937 - But I already got what I wanted, Sergeant Rollins. 784 00:37:50,004 --> 00:37:52,573 For Henry to see me. 785 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,407 - I saw Henry. 786 00:37:54,474 --> 00:37:58,045 He didn't even know who you were until we told him. 787 00:38:00,148 --> 00:38:02,683 Those letters? He never read 'em. 788 00:38:10,892 --> 00:38:11,793 Don't do it! 789 00:38:16,197 --> 00:38:17,598 - Cover! - Shots fired! 790 00:38:25,673 --> 00:38:31,112 - He can't hurt anyone anymore, including you. 791 00:38:31,145 --> 00:38:32,947 - What happens now? 792 00:38:33,014 --> 00:38:34,115 - Given the circumstances, 793 00:38:34,182 --> 00:38:35,883 the DA's willing to make you a deal. 794 00:38:35,917 --> 00:38:36,717 Conspiracy in the third. 795 00:38:36,784 --> 00:38:38,252 You'll do five years' probation. 796 00:38:38,318 --> 00:38:40,221 The first year will be inpatient rehab. 797 00:38:40,288 --> 00:38:41,823 - But that deal only stands 798 00:38:41,923 --> 00:38:45,960 if you're willing to agree to do something for us. 799 00:38:46,027 --> 00:38:49,063 The next time you're in... 800 00:38:49,096 --> 00:38:51,732 a bad situation, 801 00:38:51,799 --> 00:38:53,901 you call me. 802 00:38:53,968 --> 00:38:54,936 - Why? 803 00:38:56,537 --> 00:38:58,371 - Because I know what it's like to feel stuck, Ruby. 804 00:38:58,471 --> 00:39:01,709 I know what it's like to feel powerless. 805 00:39:01,776 --> 00:39:06,346 And the next time you feel that way, 806 00:39:06,379 --> 00:39:09,717 I wanna be there to help you with that. 807 00:39:25,933 --> 00:39:27,835 - She's the one who helps her. It's amazing. 808 00:39:27,935 --> 00:39:28,903 - Hey, sorry to interrupt. 809 00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:30,037 I was just-- 810 00:39:32,506 --> 00:39:34,308 Nosy, just nosy. 811 00:39:34,342 --> 00:39:35,910 How are you, Doctor? 812 00:39:35,977 --> 00:39:37,444 - All right. 813 00:39:37,511 --> 00:39:40,114 Recommitting to retirement. 814 00:39:40,147 --> 00:39:41,883 - Yeah. - How about you? 815 00:39:41,983 --> 00:39:44,785 - You know, just, uh, getting back to normal. 816 00:39:47,722 --> 00:39:50,658 - Well, I'm grateful for your insubordination, 817 00:39:50,725 --> 00:39:54,061 if that helps to break the ice. 818 00:39:57,231 --> 00:39:58,699 - Does not. 819 00:39:58,766 --> 00:40:00,268 - Hey. 820 00:40:00,301 --> 00:40:02,203 Thank you. - Of course. 821 00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:03,204 - Talk soon? 822 00:40:03,271 --> 00:40:04,805 - Yep, talk soon. 823 00:40:04,872 --> 00:40:06,974 Amanda, be well. 824 00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:08,408 - Thanks. 825 00:40:11,712 --> 00:40:13,480 Liv, I just wanna say-- 826 00:40:13,581 --> 00:40:16,550 - Don't--don't apologize if you don't mean it. 827 00:40:17,952 --> 00:40:20,788 - I'm-- 828 00:40:20,855 --> 00:40:24,859 I'm sorry I lost some of your trust. 829 00:40:27,862 --> 00:40:32,600 - Look, I understand why you did what you did. 830 00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:36,337 The same way you understand 831 00:40:36,436 --> 00:40:39,507 that you will never do it again. 832 00:40:41,309 --> 00:40:42,743 - All right. 833 00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:45,579 Deal. 834 00:40:45,613 --> 00:40:47,348 And hopefully, that's the last time 835 00:40:47,415 --> 00:40:50,651 we'll ever have to think about Henry Mesner again.