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Are you all scamming now?

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His name was Evan Butler. Have you ever
heard of that, Kay?

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A new word has hit the headlines.

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Sextortion. Sextortion is the fastest
growing scam affecting teenagers

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Their aim, terrify children into handing
over as much money as they can.

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Reports from around the world have begun
warning of a spike in sextortion scams,

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now predominantly targeting teenage boys
in towns in Europe and North America.

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Towns like this one, Aurora, Missouri.

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Hey guys, welcome back to the vlog. It's
Evan here.

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Oh, yeah, there's my sister being weird.

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Say, Mom.

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Say, hey, Mom.

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Mom.

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This video really shows his personality.

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He was the kid that would wear anything.

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He wasn't concerned about what everybody
else was wearing. He was kind of his

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own cat.

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I tested this out here with the top
water, and I caught it all by myself.

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I'm so proud of myself.

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He enjoyed the outdoors, hunting,
fishing.

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Tried all the sports.

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When people talk about sextortion, they
are talking about this attack through

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social media.

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And what really turns your stomach here
is that the classic target is...

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A lad of 14, 15, 16.

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I don't come up a ton hard.

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Oh, wow.

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It's virtually untouched.

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A lot of the stuff sitting around, like,
these are things that would kind of

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showcase.

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who he was and we just haven't put them
up everything's just kind of left

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yeah

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and at these awards that he was um yeah
when he was when he was

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little he was in a um little mr hound
dog kind of a pageant uh for our local

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you know they go on the parade and stuff
like that but that was his only uh

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trial at uh pageantry you got his Soccer
award.

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Defensive rookie of the year. Yeah, that
was from his freshman year playing

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soccer.

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He liked the slide tackle quite a bit.

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He was pretty slick at that.

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You see the things and they bring back,
you know, good memories.

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But then at the same time, it reminds
you of the law.

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Yeah.

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I'm so sorry.

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Can you tell me what happened?

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That evening, you know, on January 3rd,
it replays in my head all the time.

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It was... First day back after Christmas
break.

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And it was getting dark, and it was
really cold.

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Our understanding is that this person
contacted him on Snapchat.

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The user profile was a young girl, and
Jenny T60 was the name.

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He decided to take a risk, I guess, you
know, being a teenage boy.

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There was a photo that Evan had shared,
and it said, I'm ready to ruin your life

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unless you will comply with me.

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And then it was just constant.

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And he told them he didn't have any
money, and then it was just message

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message of, you know, demand.

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They asked for his Facebook login. They
asked for his Instagram login.

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They asked for his address.

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And he responded with, why are you going
to kill me?

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He was terrified.

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He just had no idea why this person was
doing this.

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It was continual harassment.

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It didn't give him any time to think,
you know, it was nonstop.

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And then they asked for his Instagram
login.

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And he said, I'm looking for it.

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That was his last response.

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From the first message was about an hour
and a half, two hours.

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We came in up to the house and we were
at the driveway and I got a text message

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and I looked at my phone and as I was
reading the message,

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we heard the gunshot.

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Was it a goodbye message?

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Yes. Yeah.

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Saying that, you know. How much he loved
us.

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And that we were great parents and he
was sorry for what he was doing to us

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said, you know, I hope I see you in
heaven. And that was that.

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When they finally told us that night
that he was gone, I just, it didn't make

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any sense. Like, I don't understand how
this could happen to our family.

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It's an unexplainable feeling that you
get when you know your kid's attacked

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like that.

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It's something that you'll live with for
the rest of your life.

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The Bettlers want to identify the person
who blackmailed Evan, but Meta, who may

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hold information that could help, won't
release it without a court order.

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Everything that I've read or looked at
is that, you know, they're not going to

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share any information without having
those court documents to force it on

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As a parent, does that feel frustrating?

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It's infuriating.

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For a company to basically stalemate and
try to

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protect the criminal is extremely
frustrating.

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It's been over a year since Evan died,
and law enforcement in the US appear to

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have made little progress.

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But there are some clues as to who might
be responsible for Evan's death.

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At one point in the exchange, the
scammer demanded Evan's Facebook login,

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presumably so they could message all of
his contacts.

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When they logged into his account, they
left a crucial piece of information, the

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IP address that connected them to the
network.

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So all we have is the name of the
Instagram account that targeted Evan and

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IP address captured by him.

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I want to know what type of person would
target a child in such a brutal scam.

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And looking at the IP address, it links
back to multiple locations, all in

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Nigeria.

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But it most frequently links to the
country's largest city, Lagos.

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According to researchers, a large number
of scammers come from West Africa.

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Specifically, Nigeria.

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Nigeria. Nigeria.

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From these streets, criminals target
children, trick, bully, blackmail them.

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We're talking about gangs operating
against individual teenagers.

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Nigeria has become the leading country
for cybercrime in Africa.

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A career path becoming so popular there
that those who do it now have a name.

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They are...

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Yahoo Boys.

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I'm in Lagos to try and better
understand how Yahoo Boys operates, and

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with the small amount of information we
have, we can get close to working out

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which one targeted Evan.

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I've enlisted the help of Professor
Adedeji Oyunuga, a criminologist and

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investigator who has been studying Yahoo
Boys for over 20 years.

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So this is a screenshot of what Meta
sent to Evan once the scammer tried to

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into his Facebook.

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You can see that they were using an FB
Lite on Infinix S5 Pro.

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Yeah, Infinix was among the cheapest
phones in Nigeria. So this one is a poor

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young boy.

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So he's probably working in a group
where he has a leader telling him what

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next.

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Hustle kingdoms,

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or scam centres, have started to appear
across Nigeria.

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with organized criminals now running
large -scale operations targeting

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en masse.

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Nigerian authorities have successfully
raided many of these centers, but no

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journalist has ever filmed inside one.

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I've been told about a hustle kingdom in
Makoto, a floating settlement in Lagos,

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and one of the poorest areas in the
city.

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They've agreed to let me inside their
illegal hustle kingdom, but with strict

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instructions. We do not reveal the
specific location

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Hi

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ghost on tear

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Can you tell me what an HK is?

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What type of fraud do you do?

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OK. And do all your boys do different
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specialising in one?

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Are you scamming or are you just
managing them?

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OK. How much have you made so far?

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In your bank account?

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Right.

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That's a lot of money.

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Yeah. Is that kind of what you guys
think? Is that what you think you are?

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Can you introduce me

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to your team?

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Hi,

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everyone.

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Are you all busy at work?

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As you're talking, I can hear a lot of
messages going on. Are you all scamming

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now? They're busy at it.

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Have you heard of sex -daughter scams,
otherwise known as BM?

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Yeah, exactly.

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What type of Yahoo boys do you think do
blackmail scams?

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Even amongst Yahoo boys like ghosts,
sextortion is a cause of shame.

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in part because of the consequences it
can have.

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Reports from around the world now
indicate that since 2019, there has been

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year -on -year increase in suicides
related to sextortion.

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After days of trying to find the
sextortion scammer, I've made contact

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man in his early 20s, going by the
name... Ola.

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He's been doing cybercrime since he was
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teens.

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Can you tell me a bit about that?

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So at the moment you put female,
American, United States.

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Okay, but what about the profile
picture?

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It's just a normal -looking girl. Where
do you get those from?

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what

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social media platforms are you using?

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I guess young kids, though, use Snapchat
mostly.

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Are you targeting young kids?

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Why do you target young boys?

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So

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you're

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saying you target young boys because
they're being more scared?

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Yes.

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OK, sounds pretty brutal, pretty
ruthless.

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When you find your targets, how do you
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them?

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OK,

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so there's like a format or text that
you send them? Yes. Can I see?

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I want to make

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my pussy get squirt, just stand at the
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take a mirror snap, babe, holding your
dick.

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Okay, so it's quite explicit, the
messages that you send them.

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Yeah.

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Breaking news video maker?

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Yes. So you make it into a news
headline?

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Yes, that.

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is like trying to harass me sexually by
sending me his nude pictures, something

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like this.

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Oh, God.

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This is the victim over here.

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I will have edited that.

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So by the time I would be like, if he
refused to give me, let me say, $300,

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I will post the picture to his work
office or his school.

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Once you complete the amount you agreed,
you can tell them I'm not satisfied

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with the amount you paid.

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So I need to fill the amount again to
tell them $4 ,000.

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If you don't have the money in full, you
can pay the money weekly.

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Sounds like you're pretty ruthless. You
carry on for a long period of time.

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In many cases, that could ruin someone's
life.

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No, I don't feel bad.

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Why?

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Because I need the money.

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I've been suffering for a lot of time,
so I don't care.

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Have you heard about the cases where
kids are committing suicide?

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How do you know, though?

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I don't think so. I think they're
scared.

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But what if they can't pay? What if they
don't have the money to do it?

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To Ola, it's hard to believe that an
American kid wouldn't have money.

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If they say no, he assumes they're
lying.

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That mindset, I think, explains why some
scammers feel little empathy for their

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victim. To people like Ola... just being
born in america or europe means you've

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had an easy life so why feel sorry for
them but i kind of think that a lot of

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them don't realize they're talking to a
real person at the end of the day and

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what they're doing is having real life
consequences it affects the person

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they're talking to and it affects that
person's family there's a ripple effect

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and it makes me think about evan's case
i wonder if the boy that targeted him

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even knows that evan's dead Or was it
just one of a hundred people he was

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talking to that day?

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Our only solid lead in tracking down
Evan's blackmailer is the IP address

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to them.

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Its location traces back to several
areas in Nigeria, but most frequently it

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links here, to Lagos Island.

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I'm hoping Professor Azadeji can help us
use this IP address to pinpoint a more

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specific location.

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Lagos Island is, I would have said slum,
but it's one of the most highly

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concentrated areas of Lagos State.

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It's not a place I'd like to come to
because you have to be very smart to

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survive on the island.

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Why is it not a place you'd like to come
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It's not really very safe.

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OK.

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So this is one of the locations that
links to the IP address?

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Yes, one of the locations.

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So if the IP address shows up here, does
that mean that he was here at this

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specific point?

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Not this specific point. It was here on
the island, anywhere around here,

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because the mask is just supplying the
network, and there are masks everywhere.

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There,

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there, there, up there.

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But the mask will determine where he is.

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But, you know, it's 100 to 500 metres
circumference.

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100 to 500 metres.

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So he could be... Anywhere here.
Anywhere here, yeah.

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It's going to be hard for us to find the
guy.

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It's going to be impossible for us to
find the guy with just the IP address.

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We need the phone number.

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And once you have the phone number,
you'll be able to get the exact

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Exact location, yes.

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OK.

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The blackmailer's IP address traces back
to Glow World.

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Nigeria's second largest telecom
provider.

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By law, companies like Glowworld must
keep user records for at least two years

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in a bid to combat cybercrime, so they
should have the information we need.

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I reached out to them and they agreed to
help, but only if Nigerian authorities

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officially request the release of the
information.

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So I handed over everything I had on
Evan Bettler to the Nigerian police, and

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now... For the first time since his
death, an official investigation is

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here.

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For the Bettlers, the confirmation of
this open

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investigation is the first significant
update in over a year.

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No, you can tell with Kerry.

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Just we've waited for over a year's time
to get some information like this and

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to know that somebody is fighting for
Evan.

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Yeah, as I said, we've been thinking
about you a lot, and I understand how

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information is quite overwhelming, but
yeah.

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It's good.

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I mean, it's a lead.

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It's hopeful.

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Because we've been just left hanging in
no hope, kind of. So this gives us a

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little bit of hope.

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It's been such a long time for them.
They've waited a whole year.

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So hopefully something can be done.

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As the weeks went on, our communications
with the police in Glowwell made it

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clear that things moved slowly in
Nigeria.

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Still, they assured us the case was
active.

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I can't help feeling that the
investigations into sextortion crimes

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painfully long time, especially compared
to the rapid rate at which new young

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Yahoo boys are turning to sextortion.

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Ade is 20 years old and recently began
sextorting victims in the West.

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He's having trouble with a client and
has arranged a meeting with a local

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who has developed a ritual that he
claims will help him.

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I don't know what I'm doing. I don't
know what I'm doing.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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20 ,000.

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That's all.

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I'm sorry.

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If you don't believe me, I'll kill you.

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If you don't believe me, I'll kill you.

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While they prepare the bird for Ade to
eat, I want to know if what he's doing

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here is a common practice.

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How often do Yahoo boys come to you for
money rituals?

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Wow, that seems like a lot.

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Now that that ritual's done, do you
think that his client will pay him?

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Doesn't look like he's enjoying it.

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The ritual itself was disturbing.

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But what struck me even more was how
these Yahoo boys, like Ade, are taught

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see themselves.

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They're snakes, masters of camouflage,
blending in until the moment they

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That's exactly what happened to Evan.

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His attacker hid behind a fake identity,
slowly gaining his trust, until Evan

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was manipulated into sending a nude
photo.

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These are predators that hunt on social
media.

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For Evan, the trap was set on Snapchat.

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Another young sextortion scammer I've
made contact with specialises in finding

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victims on the app.

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You look for rich guys, you don't look
for poor guys because they will not be

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able to give you anything.

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This one doesn't have money.

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Go on Snapchat, add him.

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Once you add back, all your friends from
Snapchat will show there.

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Then I start to add all of them.

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I send them a text.

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And how many people are you targeting
daily?

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I have no limit.

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No limit?

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You don't stop?

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So do you use Snapchat to make them feel
safer for sending a nude because they

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know it can't be screenshotted?

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So Snapchat

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helps you in a way?

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It seems the very features

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that Snapchat designed to supposedly
make the platform safer for young people

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are actually being exploited by these
scammers to make their victims feel

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But Temi also told me about other, more
sophisticated methods they use to make

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their victims feel safe when they want
to go beyond messages and have a video

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call.

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Right, but their mouth wouldn't be
moving.

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00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:37,600
It will be moving? Yeah. So are you
using AI or deepfakes, or are you using

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-recorded videos?

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No pre -recorded. I just need the
picture of the girl.

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I've heard reports of Yahoo boys using
AI in sextortion scams, but no one has

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ever filmed it being used first -hand.

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So what is this?

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This is an AI cloning app, what it says.

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I use this to talk to them.

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Where did you get the picture of this
woman from?

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That is from Instagram.

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From Instagram?

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Yeah. You use Rachel to pretend that
it's a woman?

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Hey, baby.

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How you doing?

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Oh, wow.

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I didn't expect it to be that realistic.

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00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:27,840
Well, if you want to be able to scam,
you have to go multiple ways without any

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mistakes.

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And this is just the first phase.

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You want to make video call.

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Okay. Then you start virtual camera.

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Let me call somebody.

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Wow. He's not seeing a real face.

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He's seeing the person on it.

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Yeah.

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How much does this app cost?

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This app costs about 3 million in Naira.

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00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:07,550
OK. To be able to set everything up, 5
million.

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00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:10,210
So that's $3 ,500?

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00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:11,810
Yeah. That's expensive.

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00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:13,290
Yeah, yeah.

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Can you use this on apps like Snapchat,
Instagram, Facebook?

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00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:22,190
Yeah. OK, so it's compatible with all of
those different social media platforms.

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00:36:22,570 --> 00:36:28,550
Yeah. Having this is a very good
opportunity to bag plenty of money.

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Because some people actually believe
what they see and what you see.

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Imagine I'm texting you and the next
thing, you do not request for video

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I'm the one that requests for video
call.

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It makes it very believable.

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Yeah.

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So anything I see after that, you
actually believe me.

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From what I've seen in my time in
Nigeria,

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sextortion is growing in popularity
amongst young yahoo boys like temi

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everyone told me it would be hard to
find a

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yahoo boy who does sextortion but with
each day i spend here i discover more

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more the crime is clearly growing the
fbi announced that the number of

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sextortion cases reported to them have
more than doubled in the last three

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reaching a high of 55 ,000 in 2024.

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At least 20 of these cases have ended in
the same heartbreaking way as Evan

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Butler's.

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Companies like Snapchat and Meta are
increasingly being put under pressure by

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victims and lawmakers.

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about the growing number of sextortion
cases happening on their platform.

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You affirm the testimony you're about to
give before the committee will be the

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truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth, so help you God.

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Critics say platforms could take action,
like making friends less private, but

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they're unwilling to act because it
would harm profits.

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We are on the side of parents everywhere
working hard to raise their kids.

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I reached out to META to see if they
would share additional information

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to Evan's case with me and the Bettlers.

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They declined, citing privacy concerns.

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Being a parent is one of the hardest
jobs in the world.

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So we work hard to provide parents and
teens support and controls to reduce

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potential harm.

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And it's important to me that our
services are positive for everyone who

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them.

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Section 230, the old.

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let them have that security and not
being charged with anything.

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So, yeah, it's very infuriating.

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00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:07,850
Section 230 states that companies like
Meta and Snapchat shouldn't be treated

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publishers and therefore aren't
responsible for what they use as posts.

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00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,440
So Meta and Snapchat, when they sent the
subpoenas at first, they just came back

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with blanket information, the same
information that we got when we

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his user account.

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00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,940
Snapchat was not willing to really give
anything.

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00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,560
Meta gave them a little bit more
information than Snapchat did.

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00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,340
So you didn't actually get much
information from them? No, not, you

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timestamps, which were already on the
messages anyway.

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So releasing that information, I think
they're...

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they choose to be tight with it so as to
not be held liable for anything.

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00:39:55,220 --> 00:40:00,920
Arturo Behar is a former senior staffer
at Meta who worked on user safety at the

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company before leaving in 2021.

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I've spoken to over 40 parents who have
lost children.

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and they ask the companies for records.

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It's a harrowing process.

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META are demonstrating, we don't want
you to know what happened to your child.

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We don't take any responsibility for it,
even though they are so responsible.

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And so whilst you were there, were you
aware of sextortion?

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I cannot think of a single meaningful
measure that was in place.

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Can they not report it as spam?

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So the spam button...

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Back then, and I believe probably today,
it's not connected to anything.

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00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:43,470
Oh. So... So where does it go?

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The void.

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00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:51,130
Right. Yeah, there's this gadget called
the useless machine, and you flick a

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switch and a little hand comes out and
pushes the switch back.

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That's the report spam button.

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00:40:55,950 --> 00:40:58,750
OK, so it's not actually going to anyone
at Meta? No.

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They keep demonstrating that they don't
want to know when kids are experiencing

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harm.

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They don't want other people to know
when kids are experiencing harm because

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they don't want to deal with it.

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00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,900
Is it that they don't care enough or is
it that it's impossible to stop? Or is

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it a money issue?

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00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:19,320
No, no, no. It's not a money issue and
it's not impossible to stop.

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As you know, the Yahoo! Yahoo! Boys
operate from scripts.

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00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,840
It's disgraceful that there's not a
classifier that looks at the chat and

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notices the script and immediately
protects and then goes and...

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eradicates every account that's
associated with it that's driving that

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because that's what you can do when you
work on these issues at scale if mark

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00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,400
zuckerberg woke up tomorrow morning and
said under no circumstances do i want

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any of this on instagram it would take
three to six months for it to be

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eradicated every death is preventable
and shameful

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While Meta wouldn't share additional
information relating to Evan's case,

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00:42:04,410 --> 00:42:08,490
did tell me that the account that
blackmailed Evan was flagged as fake by

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in January of 2024, the same month that
Evan took his own life, and the account

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was subsequently removed.

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However, they wouldn't specify when in
January the account was detected as

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or whether it was flagged before the
account interacted with Evan.

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We'll never know if they could have
stopped it.

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00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:33,830
While the blackmail took place on
Instagram, Evan was initially tricked

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sending a nude image on Snapchat.

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When we contacted Snapchat, they too
refused to provide any details, citing

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privacy concerns.

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00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:49,610
It seems the social media companies
don't want to share information with

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bereaved parents, journalists, or
without a court -approved subpoena, even

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enforcement.

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All hopes of finding the man who caused
Evan's death now rest on Glowworld.

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Would they provide us with the phone
number that had been used to target him?

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I finally receive an update.

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00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:15,750
Even though they're supposed to keep
user information for two years, they had

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failed to do so in this case.

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They blamed the type of IP address.

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There was no phone number.

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00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:26,510
The trail's gone cold.

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00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,720
Hi guys, how are you?

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00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,440
Good, how are you?

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00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,000
Good, thank you. It's nice to see your
faces.

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00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,880
You as well.

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00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,340
So the first thing is that after a lot
of back and forth with Glow World,

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they've actually told us that even
though cybercrime law states they should

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the information for two years, they no
longer have the information which is

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00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,500
linking to the IP address. So we've been
unable to get the phone number.

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00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:02,980
I was really hoping I would be able to
give you some better information, and I

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00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:03,980
am sorry for that.

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A little disheartening.

479
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:13,340
You know, my heart still says that the
information is someplace to be able to

480
00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:17,180
connect the number or the account
together somehow.

481
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Meta probably has that capability, but,
you know, they're likely not going to

482
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,520
turn loose of it either.

483
00:44:26,490 --> 00:44:30,250
I feel like the longer it is, like, the
farther off it is, you know, as an

484
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:36,650
obtainable thing. You know, like, we
just keep chasing after something that

485
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:38,010
farther and farther away.

486
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:39,390
Yeah. Yeah.

487
00:44:39,590 --> 00:44:43,310
I appreciate everything you guys are
doing, because without you, we wouldn't

488
00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:49,570
even have that. And I feel like our
local police chief did what he could to

489
00:44:49,570 --> 00:44:51,610
to get things moving for us.

490
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:54,490
Just know with Metta and...

491
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:58,630
You know, the laws that really protect
them, it makes it almost impossible.

492
00:44:59,310 --> 00:45:02,130
Yeah. Thank you for all you guys are
doing. We'll keep in touch.

493
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:14,110
Now, guys, I'm fishing with a
spinnerbait. It's a little trailer. It's

494
00:45:14,110 --> 00:45:18,450
windy, so I figured I would just try
this out for a little bit.

495
00:45:25,710 --> 00:45:32,090
He's probably pre -teen right there, and
he's fishing an

496
00:45:32,090 --> 00:45:33,530
open -face reel.

497
00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:40,030
He picked it up and threw it just as
well as anybody that I've seen.

498
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:44,710
From a young age, he really dreamed
about being a professional fisherman.

499
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:49,830
He always was excited about fishing.

500
00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:52,290
Who caught that? You or Dad? Me.

501
00:45:52,810 --> 00:45:54,010
He didn't catch anything.

502
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:01,080
His smile, he had the greatest smile,
and he was always happiest when showing

503
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,080
off his catches.

504
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:12,780
And that was kind of a start of his love
for fishing when we went to Roaring

505
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:13,780
River.

506
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:33,880
Since I've been back from Nigeria, I
find myself constantly thinking about

507
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,720
young men out there getting into
sextortion, interacting with their

508
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:39,720
through screens.

509
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,060
They seem so detached, threatening to
destroy lives for just a few hundred

510
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:50,620
dollars. The real cost, especially in
cases like Evan's, is immeasurable.

511
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:08,370
Down this direction.

512
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:18,790
Haven't done this for a while.

513
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:21,170
When was the last time you came here?

514
00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:27,230
Last time I was here was probably about
a year and a half ago.

515
00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:35,330
I couldn't even begin to put a number on
the amount of hours.

516
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:43,450
that we spent, you know, in a boat or in
a river,

517
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:46,330
sharing that time.

518
00:47:50,610 --> 00:47:54,570
You know, even last night, getting stuff
together, you stand in the garage,

519
00:47:54,890 --> 00:48:01,310
which, you know, everything, like
everything around has a

520
00:48:01,310 --> 00:48:02,310
connection.

521
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:05,250
Sorry, it must be really hard for you
coming here.

522
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,960
It is.

523
00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:12,100
Just being at the water was a place that
he loved.

524
00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:14,060
He was an amazing kid.

525
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:21,300
It wasn't hard to parent him because it
was in his nature to be a good person.

526
00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:22,680
He loved people.

527
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:24,900
Loved the outdoors.

528
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,920
Loved his friends. Loved his family.

529
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,080
And I know that he loved me.

530
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,220
I couldn't even put into words how much
I loved him.

