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Arnold Schwarzenegger
and Sylvester Stallone

were not just rivals
in the movie biz,

they were out to get each other.

I mean, as soon as I saw
him, it was like, bang.

Two alphas hitting.

At first,

it was all about the venture.

Every time I read this is,

"Sly just got the new
record number, $10 million."

"Son of a bitch."

And then the rivalry
just got insane.

We ended up kind of like, "You
killed 28 people in the movie.

I killed 32."

"I gotta top that."

For the first time, these
two icons sit down together

and confess things each did

to torpedo the other.

You talked to my director?

- Yeah.
- Oh, my God.

Over time, they bonded and
became brothers in arms.

I wish I could be as passionate
about things as he is.

- Is that true?
- Absolutely.

- Really?
- Are you kidding me?

What's Arnold's legacy?

He came, he saw, he conquered.

Two men who became the biggest
action heroes of all time.

He has... His shirt
maker makes a shirt

that has it pulled
underneath like diapers.

Magic's in the details, pal.

TMZ Presents: Arnold & Sly:

Rivals, Friends, Icons.

The way I see this
is that both of you

were kind of
improbable movie stars,

and yet you conquered Hollywood.

You rose to the top
of the mountain.

Really, there were only two of
you at the top of the mountain.

So why did each of
you feel the need

to push the other
off the mountain?

I guess for that very reason.

There's not that much
room up there, you know.

Everybody wants to
be on the point.

I think it's something
you're born with.

I would go out for parts
I knew I was wrong for,

but I wanted them so bad.

And I would tell the
producer, director, I said,

"I know. I'm half the size,

you want this and that,
but I'll destroy this guy."

And when he came along,
I went, "Okay, finally...

I have something that
will really motivate me,"

because he is, dare I say,
competition or threat,

whatever words you wanna use.

And, I mean, as
soon as I saw him,

it was like, bang,
two alphas hitting.

Yeah, if we walked into a party,

we'd be, like, staring at
each other for a few seconds.

And then, "I got to get
that guy." I don't know.

He didn't do anything
wrong, but he will.

The one that started
this whole thing was me

by opening up my mouth,

saying stupid things,
being competitive.

You come around here. You
wanna move in here with me?

Come on in! It's a nice house.

Rocky came out,

and I was, like, blown
away by his acting...

- Oh, right, right.
- And by the movie.

And then after that, we
were at the Golden Globes.

And we both won.

And so it was plenty
of room for everybody.

But that's not the
way I understand this.

I thought you, when
Rocky won Best Picture...

- Yes.
- You threw a bowl of flowers at him.

I absolutely did. He was
sitting across from me,

and I'm going... He
won Best Newcomer.

No offense, but Rocky
was a pretty good debut,

and he's looking very
proud of himself.

And I didn't think we were
gonna win Best Picture.

Rocky.

We win, and I lost it.

And then I went and picked up
this entire bouquet of flowers

and tossed them
straight up in the air,

sort of aiming towards
his side of the table.

And it all comes down.

He's just sitting there
with the same kind of

like, "Okay."

He just threw down the gun.

And I kind of
think, "Here we go."

You remember that?

I remember the incident,

but it was not yet kind of like
the point where I said, "Okay.

This is now the
beginning of a battle."

It just developed
then from then on.

Now I had to chase him.

And then he did, you know,
Rocky II and then Rocky II,

and then he did all those movies

and it just kept
going up and up.

And I made... My salary was
kind of like 10% of his.

You know, when he got now
$2 million, I got $200,000.

I think you were overpaid,
but don't say anything.

He made $5 million.
I got the $500,000.

So it was like, I had to kind
of, like, chase behind him.

I said, "This has to stop."
And every time I read this is,

"Sly just got the new
record number $10 million."

- You remember that?
- No actor... Yeah, yeah.

No actor ever got 10 mill...

Not even Marlon Brando
got $10 million.

And I said...

"Son of a bitch."

So I didn't boycott his movies

or anything like this. I
loved when he did Rambo,

- I loved when he did Rocky.
- This is all news to me, but keep going.

I had to kind of catch
up to that, right?

So, this was... It gave
me kind of a motivation,

and this is what the
whole thing was about.

It became, then, very, very
competitive, the whole thing.

I get what you're saying,
that there were two of you

and then both far
below other people,

but in a way,

were you guys a little
bit in different lanes?

Your movies were fantastical.

They were almost
science fiction-like.

Your clothes.

Give them to me. Now.

And you were more
grounded in reality.

Why you doing me no favors?

You're embarrassing me
in front of everybody.

You make me look bad in
front of your sister.

See this cigar? I'll
stick it in your ear.

Now don't do these things to me.

So did you still see yourselves,
like, in the same lane,

or wasn't there
kind of a separation

in what you were doing,
at least at the beginning?

I always saw it as a
big time separation.

For example, he was
perfect for Terminator.

I would never have
been chosen for...

You know, I have crooked
mouth, drooping eyes.

If you're building
something so technical

and, like, precise,
playing a robot,

Arnold has the features, the
chisel, the hair, the look.

And so, he was always a different
kind of action guy, I think.

He was more of a precise,

you know, kind of
a perfectionist.

I was more free-form and
more grounded, like you say.

And I had to deal
with what I had with,

you know, I didn't
have his body.

So I dealt more movements

and being more
stealth, more catlike.

Don't push it.

Don't push it, or I'll give
you a war you won't believe.

And he was more powerful-like.

Yet we achieved the same goal.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

I think that you end up doing

the things that you can do.

And also, the things that
people are buying in on.

And The Terminator, which was
a science fiction character...

Right.
- Yeah, you can't have a machine that slurs.

It doesn't work.

And then with Total Recall
and with all of these movies,

these were all...
and Running Man,

these were all kind of
like science fiction

or futuristic type of movies.

Yes, he was on a different
track than I was.

But still, it was an end where
we ended up kind of like,

"Well, you killed 28
people in the movie.

I killed 32."

"I got to top that."

So body count mattered.

It was not a body count.

And then it was kind of like,
"Well, what was your body fat?"

You know, "I was down
to 7%," Sly said.

And I said, "I was down to 10%."

So it became a
competition with the body.

- Yeah.
- And then it was kind of like...

Then he started
using machine guns

that were kind of like,
huge machine guns.

I was running after him. He
was not running after me.

So I said... When we
did Predator, I said,

"You got to get a machine
gun that is normally

mounted on a tank
or on a helicopter."

"Arnold, you can never hold it."

I said, "We figure out a
way. Don't worry about it."

I got to have a bigger
gun, a bigger machine gun

than Sly used in Rambo.

So this is how it went.

So then he killed 80 people,
I had to kill 87 people.

And you got sucked into it too,

because the difference between.

Rambo I and II and III and IV,

you got your guns bigger,

more body count, the whole
thing. Everything, yeah.

Franco Columbu,

- my training partner...
- Right.

Was his trainer for Rambo.

Okay, throw it, throw it.

I got to tell you about
Franco, man. This guy here,

- he was very eccentric. Would you say?
- Yeah, yeah.

And we're working out, he goes, "Let's
have a competition with bench press."

I said, "You won." He goes,
"No, come," and he went.

I said, "Oh, man." So I go
down, and it's maybe only 200.

I'm just warming up,
and I hear, "pow!"

I go, "Ah!"

And I fall on the floor
and I'm going, "Ugh!"

And then Franco
goes, "Let me see."

And he jams his fingers.

I've torn my pec off the bone.

- Ugh!
- I mean, it's bad. I could hear it go "rip."

And he's jamming his fingers in.

And I go, "Ah!" And I
think I'm gonna black out.

So, I go home. I feel
like my career is over.

I'm supposed to start Rocky II, directed
everything in a month and a half.

And I think, you know,

I got to have this
thing sewn up.

And, you know, and
here's the difference.

And he would have
done the same thing.

I can't use this arm.
So, I'll change it,

and Rocky, he'll
fight right-handed.

He's fighting right-handed!
I don't believe it.

The southpaw from Philly
is fighting right-handed!

Mickey goes, "At the very end, you'll
switch and catch him off-guard,"

which is completely illogical.

But I said, "I'm not stopping
this movie just for this."

- So this is a bad injury.
- So you switched arms.

I switched arms. So in Rocky,
it was one of the key things.

But it's interesting the way
these incredible journeys happen.

But we don't stop.
We don't quit.

- He punked you.
- Yes, he did.

- You got suckered in.
- Yeah.

- So he played you.
- He did, and I'm stuck with that forever.

One of my favorite
stories about you guys

was Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot.

- Yeah.
- He punked you.

- He punked you.
- Yes, he did.

Because you knew
it was a bad script

and acted like you wanted it.

- You got suckered in.
- Yeah.

- So he played you.
- Yes, he did.

He did, and I'm stuck
with that forever.

First of all, when we
talk about the movie,

I didn't talk him into because
I never talked him about it.

But it was very
clear that his agent

was telling my agent,

"Look, Sly is
interested in doing it,

but I don't know if it's
the right thing for him.

Let me know what you
guys are thinking."

And then my agent said, "Well,
you know, Arnold really loves it.

I think it's fantastic."

So then I called
Roger Spottiswoode,

who was the director,

who just did the
James Bond movie.

Oh, my God. And so he was
kind of the hot director.

So he was the right guy to go.

- Did you know this?
- No.

So anyway, so he's... I
talked to Roger Spottiswoode.

You talked to my director?

- Yeah.
- Oh, my God.

So my agent then said,

"Well, Arnold is talking
to Roger Spottiswoode now,

and he's already...
he's really into it.

I think we're gonna
take the project."

And then, of course, his agent,

knowing that he's
competitive with me,

he said, "You cannot
let that happen."

And so he then called the
studio right away and says,

"Look, you've got
to give this to Sly.

Don't give it to Schwarzenegger.
You've got to give this to Sly."

And I said, "Fine, Sly got it."
And so then he got the movie.

So I was, of course,
absolutely in heaven,

because I said, "I felt like the only
way that I could catch up with him

is if he has a stumble."

- Can you get more Machiavellian?
- It is.

You got to go and have
him have a failure.

Unbelievable. It
was psychological.

This is a whole thing
about in Hollywood

when you're always as
good as your last movie.

So I felt kind of like, "Okay,
if Sly would stumble..."

And sure enough, when the movie
came out, it was a disaster.

You know, so, I mean,
so the day was hanging

and everyone was
writing, you know,

"What a day... the
heydays are over for Sly."

So I said, "Okay, this is now
a moment for me to catch up."

The way you talk,
it makes me think

that neither of you would be as
successful without the other.

I can't agree to that.

I think it helped

because we came along
in a certain era

that the movies
were transitioning.

There were no such thing
as real action movies.

You saw a car chase.
You saw some gun play.

There was no action film
where you actually said,

"Okay, from beginning to
end, this guy is in movement.

He's doing things. He's
making action happen."

Hey, hey! Wait!

First Blood, which
was almost a joke.

I was the 11th choice.
It was a cursed film.

And that became my
first action film.

Real action. No
dialogue, no nothing.

And then Arnold,

his films also were
very action-orientated.

So we kind of started something

that I don't think
exists anymore.

At least it doesn't the way...

It was like a man against
the world kind of thing.

Now it's more of ensemble
against the world, you know.

But you said that he
really kind of inspired you

to work harder, to do better.

So in a way, each of
you help the other.

- Yeah.
- Well, there's no two ways about that.

He was very helpful in my career

because I had something
that I could chase

and that I could kind of, like,

"Oh, I have to be able
to do this kind of work."

But at the same time, I
think that what is important

and he did not mention yet is

- that we have created a certain kind of era.
- Yeah.

And that is kind of like
we were the first ones

that did action movies

and that were
actually believable

that we could do the things
that we did on the screen

because of our
muscular development,

because of our bodies.

We were ripped. We had
abs, we had deltas.

We looked totally believable

that we could do
those kind of things.

And so then you saw other
kind of action heroes

kind of changing quickly

and going and
running to the gym,

getting personal trainers

and training and
training and training,

and then coming out

and then looking also
ripped and all this.

And all of a sudden,
it spread in movies.

It spread on TV.

I have to stop right here
and interrupt one time,

because you're absolutely right.

A lot of guys did come out,
but they weren't action guys.

They were martial arts
guys. A whole other thing.

And we didn't care about that.

We were more different in
the way we fought back.

So I've only seen really maybe
two or three real action guys

and the rest are kind of
hyphenate martial arts guys,

which is a whole other thing.

You know, you come into a room

and you fight 20 guys
and no one pulls a gun.

Our films were more of an
adventure and totally different.

And neither one of us know
a thing about martial arts,

but we know how to
bust a head or two.

Run over him.

- Okay.
- Go get 'em.

We created that era.

Now there are a lot of actors

that are living off that era

and they're copying that,

and they're very, very
successful in doing so.

I'm a very emotional person.

I think that people that have
had horrible upbringings,

it's a [bleep] terrible
burden to lay on anyone.

I think that what drove me was,

I had such need to
create my own world.

I had to get out of
that misery at home.

What's your favorite
Schwarzenegger movie?

Terminator 2 is,
like, perfect film.

Get down.

Wouldn't you agree?

It's like, everything
about it was just spot on.

It had new CGI,

had new inventive,
had a good villain.

I think he really... he
really excelled in that.

What about your
favorite Sly movie?

Stop! Or My Mom Will
Shoot. That's it.

I know you guys... It's
okay. And I'll say Junior.

- Rambo II.
- Rambo II?

- Wow.
- My favorite is Rambo IV.

Can I get psychological
for a minute?

You both had really tough
upbringings, both of you.

Almost horrific in a way.

There's this famous poem,

it's called "Children
Learn What They Live."

And a part of the poem is,

"If children live with
criticism, they learn to condemn.

If children live with
hostility, they learn to fight."

When you guys look
at your childhood,

because I'm really fascinated by it
because I had a rough childhood too,

and I can relate to some of
what you guys went through.

When you think about
your childhood,

what carried forward
with you to this day?

Because you don't shed
it. You don't forget it.

It doesn't go away.

So what is it in your childhood

that is still part
of you, good or bad?

Well, I have a lot of sadness,

you know, because I think
about what could have been.

It didn't have to be
so bad. And it was bad.

Yeah, both your parents,
especially your mom,

were just abusive and cruel.

I think that a lot of people go,

"Oh, that's what made
you what you are today."

I think it's a lie.

I think that you
are... I am who I am.

If I had been encouraged and
someone was more supportive,

I think it would have
been even better.

But instead, I had
to try to overcome

all these insecurities
and doubting

from the parents to
overcome that and succeed.

But you bring with you

a lot of bittersweet feelings,

and you try not to convey
that onto your new family.

But that's part of your makeup.

I don't believe that which does
not kill you makes you stronger.

Usually, that which
doesn't kill you kills you

or almost comes close to it.

And you carry scar
tissue inside.

And it kills me.

I mean, I'm a very...
really emotional person.

And I think... You know,

I think that people

that have had
horrible upbringings,

it's a [bleep] terrible
burden to lay on anyone.

And parents should just,
like... they don't realize it

because they were
treated like crap.

And see, it's a vicious
cycle that goes on.

So I can't just
blame it on them.

Because when I go back and I
look at my mother's upbringing,

you know, orphanages
and this and that,

and my father's,

they had... you know,
they were angry.

They just thought, "That's
the way I'm gonna pass it on.

You're not gonna be
happy if I'm not happy."

Your dad was angry a lot, too.

Yeah, my dad was angry.

And, you know,

everyone after the
Second World War

over there was angry.

They lost the war.

You know, the ass was handed
to them by the Americans.

So my father came
back from the war

with wounds, broken
back, malaria,

shrapnel in his legs
and stuff like that.

So he went through a
lot of pain afterwards.

So because of the drinking,
there was violence at home.

So he would come home and
smack us around sometimes,

sometimes for reasons and
sometimes for no reasons.

And he would show brutality
sometimes to my mother.

And the reason why

I never kind of think back

in a negative way is,

unlike Sly, I don't.

I just don't have it in me
to look at my father and say,

"You son of a bitch, why did you
do that?" Or anything like that.

I felt kind of like...

I don't really know the
pain he had and why he drank

and all the stuff that was
in him and all that stuff.

And on top of it,
I said to myself,

"If I would have grown up

like some people do with
all the love in the world,

I would have never left home."

I would have stayed in Austria.

It's not the kind of life
that would've made me happy.

I always felt kind of I
was a citizen of the world,

not a citizen of Austria.

But you don't think you
would've done that anyway?

- No.
- Oh.

I think that what drove me was

I had such a need to
create my own world.

I had to get out of
that misery at home.

And you're almost turning
the misery into a blessing.

Yeah, so it was a
blessing in a way,

because, you know, so again,

I disagree with Sly because

my brother,

Meinhard, he died.

He died because his reaction was

to become an alcoholic himself.

One day driving with a car

and then hitting a
telegraph post, you know,

one of those big things,

and just smashed into
it and got killed.

So... But that was because
of that upbringing.

And this is why I do believe in.

"What does not kill
you make you stronger,"

because it killed my brother.

Mm-hmm.
- But it made me stronger.

You and I had no choice.

We were gonna do something.

You escaped into bodybuilding,

I escaped into theatrics,

because I wasn't too
happy with reality.

So I said, "This is my world
because I don't like this one."

So I think that we were
gonna do it no matter what.

It just would've been nice

with a little bit more
encouragement, that's all.

And the Oscar goes to...

Robert Downey Jr.

When Robert Downey
Jr. at the Oscars

said when he
received his Oscar...

I'd like to thank my
terrible childhood.

I immediately could
relate to that.

Yeah, absolutely.
- Because he went through trouble and pain.

I don't know exactly
the story, but to him,

for him to thank his
[bleep] upbringing

means that that motivated
him and got him going

into a different direction rather
than staying in the [bleep].

I know you supported Arnold
when he ran for governor.

I did. What I'm wondering is,

did you do it so you could get
him out of the movie business?

Yes, actually.

You read through me, did you?

Oh, my God.

You both have kids who grew
up with a lot of privilege.

- Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
- That you didn't have.

So how did you guys raise kids

when they can't
see what you saw?

- Right.
- Other than the fact that

you're these incredibly
famous, wealthy two guys

and they're looking at this...
you know, in this mansion.

How do you raise kids
with those values?

I'll tell you, I've
always said that

everyone's father is
tougher than them.

You know, it's just their life
was tougher, it was harder.

And then their grandfather.
I mean, think about...

Yeah, the difference between
you two and your parents is...

Exactly. Is world...

I mean, it's worlds apart.

Well, the difference
between us and our children,

we really had to grovel.

And it was tougher back then.

Today, it's a whole
different world.

They're presented with so much.

Not just rich people,
even poor kids.

And I mean, there's so
much technology, and that

that I think it's really put a
damper on people's inspiration

and this ability to go out
and explore for themselves.

It comes right to you on
a phone, all this stuff.

Who is giving you advice on what
to wear on Golden Globe night?

Definitely not him.

- Definitely not him.
- No, he's gotten better.

I get no respect, as
you can tell, okay.

I try to teach my kids,

and maybe I think he does too,

is really understand
that you are privileged.

And I just want you to be nice.

I want you to be
empathetic to people.

I want you to be polite

and understand that you
were given this gift.

It just didn't come
out of the ground.

When you see a
guy working there,

pushing a broom thing,
working on a roof,

he doesn't wanna do that.

He wasn't born to say,
"I can't wait to go

tar a roof in the summer."

So be empathetic to people
that don't have what you have.

And my girls have
been just fantastic.

And they've also... they've
picked up our habits,

and they are industrious.

They... they imitate.

My wife is incredibly
industrious,

so my daughters have
carried on that tradition.

Our kids would not

kind of create that
same kind of hunger,

and that desire and
that fire in the belly

that we had because
of our upbringing.

So that only comes with
that upbringing. Yeah.

You know, your
urge to move away,

to go and explore and
to get out of there

because you get the
beating all the time there.

So that hunger, I think,

would not be the
case with our kids.

- No.
- But

that does not mean that
you cannot bring them up

to be successful.

I was very lucky
that I had a wife

that was really good
in raising the kids.

Maria was excellent in that.

And so I was gone twice
a year for three months,

sometimes six months
on a movie set.

So, of course, she ended
up 80% of the time,

to make up a number,
raising the kids.

And she did an extraordinary
job with the education,

with the moral codes and with
all of those kind of things.

And my kids all had to
wash their own clothes.

They all had to wash
their own bed wear.

And every so often when
I saw them cheating

and someone else did it,

I grabbed their mattresses

and I threw it off the
balcony of the bedroom.

And sometimes into the...
sometimes, you know...

- Now we're getting somewhere.
- Then the TV.

But then they have to drag it up again
and they have to make the bed again

because I detected they didn't make
the bed. It was too nicely made.

I just want to compliment you
for a second and just say this:

One of the things that
I learned over the years

of what great of a
family man Sly is

and how he deals
with his daughters

and with his family and
the whole thing like this.

You know, when you go up to
visit someone at their house

and you go to parties or do
dinner or something like that,

you see the dynamics and
what's going on there.

And I watch his reality TV
show and all this stuff.

Hey! Come here,
little... [bleep].

And it is just
really... He's on it,

and he's supportive, and he's
really terrific because of that.

And he's learned from
what his father did

that he doesn't want to do.

- No.
- And does the opposite.

So I... I think it
is really terrific.

I'm going to run for governor
of the state of California.

I've always wanted
to ask you this.

I know you supported Arnold
when he ran for governor.

- I did.
- What I'm wondering is,

did you do it so you could get
him out of the movie business?

Yes, actually.

You read through me, did you?

Oh, my God. I thought it
was so insane, what he did.

I said, "I gotta...
I gotta see this."

And he pulled it off.
Can you believe it?

It's just... it's...
it's who he is.

- Did you ever have a plan B?
- No.

- As a matter of fact...
- There you go.

In my book, Be
Useful, I talk about,

"Don't have a plan B, there's
no such thing as a plan B,"

because it's kind
of like saying,

"I want a safety net."

I'm not the safety
net kind of a guy.

It's you yourself
that is doubting you,

and that's the
most dangerous one.

Not that someone out
there is doubting you,

but that you are doubting you.

Now you're fighting
yourself. Right.

And that is an absolute no-no.

This is a formula for disaster.

In 1987,

you went to a joint

that I used to
have breakfast at,

Patrick's Roadhouse
in Pacific Palisades.

And you had a secret
breakfast meeting

talking about
Rambo vs. Predator.

- Why didn't that happen?
- I think...

Because we've had this
happen a couple of times.

There was a John Hughes comedy,
wasn't it, we were talking about?

Battling neighbors. Because
we couldn't agree on that.

So at that time, it was
kind of still strange.

Duke and Fluffy. Or
something like that.

- Yeah, it was like that.
- Duke and Fluffy? Who was Fluffy?

I was supposed to be a dog
and he's supposed to be a cat.

And we're supposed
to... In the daytime,

we are regular neighbors
that hate each other.

And at night, we are
animals, you know,

and then we attack each
other and all that.

- I kind of like that.
- It was a funny idea.

But he went off doing a movie.
So it never really happened.

What do you admire
most about him?

His dedication and his passion.

I wish I could be as passionate
about things as he is.

- He's so passionate.
- Is that true?

- Really?
- Absolutely. Are you kidding me?

When you talk about scripts

or when you talk about your
characters that you play in movies,

or when you talk about movies,

it's... there's just
so much passion there.

I think it's really
unbelievable.

And it must come from somewhere

because, you know, he's
a very emotional guy,

which I'm not.

I'm emotional, but not like him.

You're very different,
the two of you.

Very, very different
in that way.

You can tell alone just the
way we are dressed, right?

- I mean, he has, of course...
- I wasn't gonna dress like this.

This jacket, I guarantee
you, cost $10,000

from David August or
something like that.

Who knows who made it?

Mine is like a... a second...

That'll come back
someday, don't worry.

Leather jacket.

I have old cowboy boots on

and he... Look at this,
the alligator loafers.

Everyone would agree if
there is a Mount Rushmore

of action heroes, you have
two of the four spots.

I think everybody
agrees with that.

- Who are the other two?
- Oh, wow.

That's a tough one.

What do you admire
about him most?

I'm not even finished yet
with what I admire about him.

I always have painted
my whole life, right?

For my children.

And so I painted in school,

you know, did little
paintings like that.

Then I go and see his art

and his paintings.

I tell you, it is
absolutely spectacular.

Oh, stop.

I do everything little.

Like this, I make fine lines,

and then make everything very accurate
and all this, and he says, "No, no, no."

He says, "Arnold, you got to be more
daring. Got to open up a little bit."

So I go up to his house, and
he has this big paintbrush

with 15 kind of
different colors,

goes in there like this, and he
starts smacking it down on the canvas.

And I said to myself,

"Can you believe the
balls this guy has?"

He just makes a commitment
with all of this paint.

And then he goes, and all
of a sudden, in no time,

he creates this really colorful,

"unbelievable kind of modern type
of a painting and stuff like that."

His big paintings go sometimes for
several hundred thousand dollars.

What I admire most about him

is he's rock steady.

He's like a season
that doesn't change.

He's like bang on, bang on.

Very organized, very
calculated, very thoughtful.

I'm not. And he's right,
I'm very emotional.

And I tend to be swayed.

And things can upset
logic quite often.

And that's when
you make mistakes,

when your brain
overwhelms your heart,

or your heart overwhelms
your brain, I should say.

And that doesn't...
It... He's...

I don't know what he's thinking.
Do you know what I mean?

He's like a chess player. You don't know
what's going on, but he gets it done.

And he really does have
a big heart, he does.

I mean, you wouldn't think
it, because we're action guys,

but we're more emotional than
a lot of more dramatic actors.

Trust me, do not think for a
second we're not hypersensitive,

especially coming from the
way where we came from.

We're very...
Especially criticism.

It's very profound
on us. Very profound.

So when you get bad
reviews, they hurt.

Oh, yeah, don't just criticize.

"Stallone's career is more
mysterious than crib death."

I mean, that's how bad
it gets. I mean, brutal.

Well, you got one where they said you felt
you got the worst review since Hitler.

- Here you go.
- You said that.

Yeah, it's true.

- Did I really?
- Yeah, you did.

Oh, my God, oh, my
God, but it's true.

I remember when
we did The Villain

with Kirk Douglas,
Ann-Margret, they said to me,

the horse had better facial expressions
than I had, I mean, what the hell?

So, I pay no attention
to this stuff.

There are a lot of
differences with you guys,

what we've talked about.

The big similarity that I see

is both of you have put
your bodies through hell.

The image that I always think
of is the two of you on gurneys

getting ready for shoulder
surgery at the same time.

That was by accident.

But was this worth it
to put your body...

Because I know that
it causes pain.

You've been in the
hospital a bunch.

You've had all
sorts of operations.

You've had, what,
seven back operations?

Three neck fusion,
shoulders, every knee.

Yeah, I had endless
amount of heart surgeries.

You had back surgery.

I mean, we have our surgeries.

I have shoulder surgeries,
this shoulder, this shoulder.

You know, the knees, both knees, hip
replacement and all that kind of stuff.

I got a lot of
injuries in this movie.

Believe me, I was
attacked by wolves.

I was attacked by vulture.

Do you ever wake up, and just
say, "Why did I do this?"

I do, I got... The pleasure...

As Tony Robbins, "the pleasure
was not worth the pain."

I liked doing some of
it, but there was a point

when I should've slowed
it down and used a pro.

Apollo unloading a left, really trying
to get him up against the ropes.

He's... Oh! Rocky's
things really

wiped me out from snapping
the head all the time.

Hard left, again, a hard right.

Dolph Lundgren, you
told him to hit you,

and you ended up in the
hospital for nine days.

He almost killed me. Yeah.

That was a freakish
accident, just freakish.

- But you asked for it.
- I did ask for it.

But I didn't think
he'd hit so hard.

You know, [bleep].
That kind of a thing.

Like, yeah, I think I talk to
my wife every day about it.

It's absolutely not
worth it in the sense

that you don't
know when to quit.

I should have stopped right
before the first Expendables.

That's what did me in.

I never was whole
from that point on.

So it's always
easy to go and say,

"Okay, now I'm 76
years old or 77,

and I should have not
done this, done that,

because that's what hurt
me," what does it matter?

The bottom line is, we had a great time
what we did, we love to take risks.

You couldn't have stunt doubles,
because you were so big,

so you did a lot
of your own stuff.

Yeah, yeah, I did. There
was no choice, really,

because when I was in Spain, there was no
stunt guy around that looked like me...

But it's all flipped now,

that you have stunt guys

who are big like you were.

But now the action heroes

- are small.
- Are small, I know, I know.

I mean, Timothée
Chalamet, Mark Ruffalo,

Austin Butler. I know.

Everyone would agree if there is
a Mount Rushmore of action heroes,

you have two of the four spots.

I think everybody
agrees with that.

Who are the other two?

Oh, wow. That's a tough one.

I would put Clint on it.

Clint Eastwood was
always my hero,

my inspiration.

He was one of those guys just
like Reg Park in bodybuilding

that spent time with
me and talked to me.

The fourth guy, you
have to come up with.

I already came up with one.

I think it goes to Bruce.

He's a very multifaceted guy.

He can do drama and comedy,
whatever, and all the same.

But he was in quite a few seminal
action films that really...

Like, Die Hard is a classic,
and those things don't go away.

I'm a friend of Sarah Connor.

Can't see her. She's
making a statement.

I'll be back.

What's Arnold's legacy?

Well, being the
all-time triple threat.

He came, he saw, he conquered.
That's it, really simple.

It's not original,
but it's true.

What's his legacy?

Someone that did some of the
most extraordinary movies.

Nothing is over! Nothing!

You just don't turn it off!

And inspired endless
amount of people

to get in the movie business,

and to be writers and
directors and actors.

Yeah.

His shirt maker makes a shirt

that has it pulled
underneath like diapers,

and then pulled up
on the other end.

I have to tell you guys

you kind of changed my life.

Because both of you

are so inspirational when
it comes to risk-taking.

And you...

Just the idea that you so
believed in what you were doing

that you were willing not to sell
Rocky if it wasn't on your terms,

and you stuck by that.

And just all the things you did

that seemed so improbable,

that you came to the United
States with 20 bucks.

And I knew about this
early on in my career,

and it inspired me, and
it made me work harder,

and it made me determined.

And this is such an
honor. And I mean that.

And I thank you so much

for sitting with me and talking,
it means the world to me.

- Well, thank you. That's very nice.
- Thank you.

I bet any money Harvey is
not ready for this interview.

- He's not ready?
- No. No.

.
- I guarantee you.

I'm tired of working
with amateurs.

You guys did a good job.
- Oh, thank you.

We're gonna exchange
pacemakers. It'll be great.

Now Arnold and
Sly's medical show.

Here we go. Oh,
that's a good idea.

Autopsies.

Is this the other jacket he
wanted to put on, Jennifer?

Oh, God. Let me see
if it's David August.

He's breaking my balls. 'Cause
you feel like dressing like the...

It is David August.
What did I say?

On the show, David August.

Oh, my God, you were right.
You even knew his designer.

That's hysterical.

Feel this. Cashmere
shirt, cashmere jacket.

No, khullu. Get it right.

Oh, my God, you got that to Sly?

- This is unbelievable. I'm telling you.
- It's better than cashmere.

Sly has nicer clothes
than me, so...

Yeah, he has definitely
nicer clothes than all of us.

Look at this.

So I go to visit his set.

So then he goes, and he says,

"Arnold, I don't like when
your shirts are baggy here."

So I said, "What am
I gonna do about it?"

He said, "Sometimes when you
go like this, it pulls out."

Then he said.

"Come with me."

He goes in his dressing
room, in his trailer,

and he pulls down his pants.

His shirt has something

that goes underneath his crotch

to keep the shirt pulled down.

Who thinks about this?

When he sat down, that's
why you said that.

Who thinks about this?

I just ordered another dozen.

He has... His shirt
maker makes a shirt

that has it pulled
underneath. It's like diapers.

And then pulled up
on the other end

so the shirt stays
down, because God forbid

you're doing a movie and
there's a wrinkle in the shirt.

As if that is not natural.

Magic's in the details, pal.

So this is what goes on here.

Unless you wanna hold
my tails down here, pal.

Mr. Cashmere. And
look at the shoes.

Look at the alligator
[bleep], the loafers.

- All right, man.
- All right, thank you, guys.

I feel sorry for you.

Goodbye. See you.

That was so great.