All language subtitles for Fake.News.A.True.History.2019.720p.WEBRip.x264.AAC-[YTS.MX]

af Afrikaans
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bn Bengali
bs Bosnian
bg Bulgarian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
km Khmer
ko Korean
ku Kurdish (Kurmanji)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Lao
la Latin
lv Latvian
lt Lithuanian
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
ne Nepali
no Norwegian
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt Portuguese
pa Punjabi
ro Romanian
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
st Sesotho
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhala
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
te Telugu
th Thai
tr Turkish
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
or Odia (Oriya)
rw Kinyarwanda
tk Turkmen
tt Tatar
ug Uyghur
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:08,320 On September the 17th 1903, The Daily Telegram shared a sad story 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,280 with its readers in Clarksburg, West Virginia. 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:19,320 A dispute over a pet dog between two immigrant miners 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,120 had led to a tragedy. 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,000 This programme contains some strong language. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,320 GUNSHOT 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,240 It was one of the miners who took the bullet, 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,760 a man called Mejk Swenekafew. 9 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:38,640 The next day, a rival publication, The Clarksburg Daily News, 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,720 also printed this heart-rending story of the dog and the shot Slav 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,640 but, in fact, they'd been caught in a brilliant trap laid 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,400 by their competitor. 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,240 The Clarksburg Telegram had long suspected The Clarksburg Daily News 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,440 of stealing their stories, so they'd simply made this one up 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,280 and put it in as bait. 16 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:05,720 Just read the victim's name backwards, "we fake news". 17 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:10,000 The ruse worked brilliantly. 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,440 So, none of it happened, and no animals were harmed 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,840 in the faking of this story. 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,960 But what it does show us is that fake news was a problem 21 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:27,280 long before our own uncertain and confused times. 22 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:34,280 They are the fake, fake, disgusting news. 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,120 In this programme, I want to see if we can learn 24 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,440 any lessons about today's fake news crisis from earlier eras, 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,200 when new media and new technology led to new levels of lying. 26 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,960 It was vastly sensationalised and overblown and it 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,800 had a sometimes malign influence. 28 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,880 I'm heading to the nation that pioneered mass-market news 29 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,200 in the 19th century, and also the 21st-century's 30 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,960 information wars. 31 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,320 There's just so much evil! I'm not trying to... 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,160 If you look up my name, it's disgusting what appears. 33 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,200 And people get hurt from these things. 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,640 I'm looking to history to figure out what motivates fake news. 35 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:21,400 I am destroying America one fake news article at a time. 36 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,640 From propaganda and paranoia... 37 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:28,920 It's easy to dress up fake news to make it look as real as possible. 38 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,400 ..to profit and politics. 39 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,720 President Trump is a total and complete dipshit. 40 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,840 One thing I can promise you, all the news coming 41 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,240 up in this programme will be fake, and that's the truth. 42 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,160 Back in August 1835, New Yorkers were thrilled 43 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,280 by a series of newspaper articles 44 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,880 headlined "great astronomical discoveries". 45 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,240 The reports described how a scientist had built 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,640 the world's largest telescope and trained it on the moon. 47 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:22,400 The surface of the moon was clearly made of basaltic rock, 48 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,240 but profusely covered with a flower of deepest red, 49 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,200 and there are herds of miniature bison. 50 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Those quadrupeds were sometimes hunted by flying man-bats 51 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,200 and, naturally, the moon was also home to unicorns. 52 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,040 At this point, dear viewer, you may have rumbled 53 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,200 that this was fake news. 54 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,240 It's very easy, looking back from the 21st century, 55 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,080 to feel smug about how much smarter we are than our ancestors, 56 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,280 but remember, this was an age of constant scientific invention 57 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,000 and new discoveries, and it was years before man 58 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,840 would set foot on the moon. 59 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,960 That is, if you believe that NASA mission DID go to the moon. 60 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,400 The story was serialised over six days, with new revelations on each, 61 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,160 including some salacious details about lunar lovemaking. 62 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:30,160 Crowds thronged here, to the offices of the newspaper 63 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,760 that broke the story, eager for each fresh new day's instalment. 64 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,640 One eyewitness commented on the "almost universal impression 65 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,360 "and expression of the multitude, 66 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,520 "that of confident wonder and insatiable credence." 67 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,120 They were fooled! 68 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,960 Duping large numbers of people all at the same time, 69 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,840 like this, had only just become possible. 70 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:02,920 1830s New York was the birthplace of modern mass-market news media, 71 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,520 and the moon story ran in the world's first example 72 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,720 of what we'd call a tabloid. 73 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,280 A paper with a very appropriate name. 74 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,040 I know, it's unthinkable that any publication called The Sun 75 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,560 wouldn't be scrupulously accurate in its reporting. 76 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,200 The New York Sun was a product of new technology, 77 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,680 the steam-powered printing press, and because the paper was cheaply 78 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,320 mass-produced, it was priced at a sixth of the cost of most rivals, 79 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,760 just one cent, and, in another innovation, 80 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,200 it was sold on the city streets. 81 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,400 The Sun offers a new kind of news for a new readership, 82 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,440 working-class people, urban people who didn't care about politics. 83 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,320 These are people who were not used to having a newspaper central 84 00:05:55,320 --> 00:06:00,520 to their lives. And The Sun gave them news in a small, cheap format 85 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,720 that they could just pick up and buy. 86 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,960 And did The Sun mind what they printed was not 87 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,720 necessarily true? 88 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Well, they didn't and neither did their readers. Yup. 89 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,840 The Sun drew them in as a kind of a game - 90 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,600 "Read this story, decide for yourselves, 91 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,000 "it doesn't really matter." 92 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,520 What was more important was people in the taverns and in the streets 93 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,280 were discussing it, "Did you see that? Do you believe it or not?" 94 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:27,440 and then they would have debates and fights, 95 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,960 and that was really what it was all about. 96 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,880 The Sun claimed to have obtained its facts about life on the moon 97 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,400 from an obscure scientific journal. But after a week of "lunacy", 98 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,920 the New York Herald gleefully printed a report of its own. 99 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,760 The Sun's source didn't exist. 100 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,480 They'd made the whole thing up. 101 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,520 The Sun, said its rival newspaper, 102 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,800 "is impudent, unprincipled, mercenary and low-bred", and worst of all, 103 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,400 "it tells untruths for money." 104 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,400 Can you believe it? 105 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,200 But The Sun was laughing all the way to the bank. 106 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,280 With the moon story, it achieved the highest circulation figures 107 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,640 on Earth, and spin-off pamphlets and engravings 108 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,360 were hugely profitable, too. 109 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,440 Not bad for a paper that was less than two years old. 110 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,720 It was the first great example of one of the enduring motives 111 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,640 for faking news - lies sell. 112 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,600 The public doesn't just want to be informed, 113 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,280 it also wants to be entertained. 114 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,680 It's also cheaper to make things up, 115 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,960 rather than find things out, 116 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,880 which the proprietors of America's 117 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,960 new popular press loved. 118 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,520 And they soon discovered fake news 119 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,840 could help in the pursuit of... 120 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,000 BELL RINGS 121 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,000 ..grander ambitions. 122 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,840 In the 1890s, Joseph Pulitzer 123 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,520 was the world's most powerful media mogul. 124 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,720 This contemporary cartoon shows the kind of news 125 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,120 with which he made his name. 126 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,640 Later in life, to atone for this sensationalism, 127 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,440 he used some of the fortune it had made him to fund 128 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,960 the Pulitzer Prize for better-quality journalism. 129 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,560 Aspiring to similar wealth and influence was a younger, 130 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:37,520 devilish rival, William Randolph Hearst. 131 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,280 His name lives on to this day, in a publishing empire 132 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,000 and in New York's Hearst Tower, which his fortune paid for. 133 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,840 William Hearst imitated Joseph Pulitzer's successful formula 134 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,040 of crime and celebrity, popular, attention-grabbing stories 135 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,280 under lurid headlines, a sort of 19th-century click bait, 136 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,200 but he also felt there might be a market for stories 137 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,880 of adventure and patriotism. 138 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,040 What could really boost circulation, he decided, was a good war. 139 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,880 During the 1890s, Cuban rebels were fighting for independence 140 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,120 from their colonial rulers, the Spanish Empire. 141 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,320 Hearst's New York Journal called for a war on Spain, 142 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,840 and to drum up support he sent staff to Cuba. 143 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,160 Among them, one of America's leading illustrators, 144 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,000 Frederic Remington. 145 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,920 The artist spent much of his time in Havana, 146 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,360 drinking cocktails in his hotel. 147 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,480 He telegraphed Hearst, saying, "Everything is quiet, 148 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,360 "there's no trouble here, there will be no war. 149 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,360 "I wish to return. Remington." 150 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Hearst is reported to have wired back, "Please remain. 151 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,880 "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war." 152 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,920 Although there's no proof that this oft-repeated exchange 153 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,960 actually occurred, Remington did produce a highly provocative image 154 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,800 of the sort his proprietor demanded. 155 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,520 On February the 12th 1897, Hearst's paper ran a story 156 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,640 about Spanish officials boarding an American steamship and seizing 157 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,680 a woman they suspected of spying for the Cuban rebels. 158 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:38,520 She was then strip-searched. 159 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,080 Pulitzer and Hearst were in a race to the bottom, 160 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,640 and in this feature, page two in the Journal, 161 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Hearst had won. 162 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,640 This is titillation masquerading as outrage 163 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,920 and, of course, the readers loved it and there were serious questions 164 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,280 asked in Congress. But what had actually happened 165 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,200 was nothing like Remington's picture. 166 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,760 The woman hadn't been searched on deck by a gang of rough men, 167 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,160 but in a private cabin by one respectable older woman. 168 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,920 Hearst himself had changed the crucial details of the report, 169 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,040 prompting the journalist who filed it 170 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,080 to vow never to work for the proprietor again. 171 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,720 Even the reporter thought that he had gone too far. 172 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,360 But Hearst didn't care? Hearst didn't care, Hearst never cared, 173 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,600 and Hearst loved stories about ladies in danger, 174 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,320 about lustful and horrifying foreigners of all kinds, 175 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,760 and he sent his reporters there and kind of directed them 176 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,800 what kind of stories they were supposed to get. 177 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,800 This paddle steamer isn't in Cuba, by the way, it's on the Thames. 178 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,560 Less Havana, more Kingston. 179 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:59,160 Typical BBC - fake cruise. 180 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,680 Another Cuban story, also set at sea, 181 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:12,040 was used by both Hearst and Pulitzer to help tip America into war. 182 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,960 EXPLOSION 183 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,000 On February the 15th 1898, 184 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,200 an explosion ripped apart an American warship called the Maine, 185 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,480 which had been harboured near Havana, 186 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,920 causing the loss of 260 lives. 187 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,200 No evidence has ever been found that the Spanish were responsible, 188 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,120 but in the papers, the reality that it was probably 189 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,440 an accident got short shrift. 190 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,600 In the Journal, there's no room for doubt. 191 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,200 "The destruction of the warship Maine was the work of an enemy." 192 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,600 But there's a fantastic bit of humbug in the small print. 193 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,960 This is very tiny. 194 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,560 It says, "The captain of the ship and the consul general both urge 195 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:58,680 "that public opinion be suspended 196 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:01,200 "until they've completed their investigation." 197 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,280 Well, there's no chance of that happening, 198 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,320 and everything here says "they did it" and it's incredibly successful. 199 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,600 It's the first time the paper sold more than a million copies. 200 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,120 MUSIC: The Stars And Stripes Forever 201 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,800 Nine weeks later, Pulitzer and Hearst got the war 202 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,600 they'd been clamouring for, 203 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,440 and America defeated the Spanish Empire quickly and decisively. 204 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,760 The patriotic hysteria whipped up by the press 205 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,800 had massive consequences. 206 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,200 1898 was the start of the USA's ascendancy 207 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,880 into becoming a global superpower, 208 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,000 yet the war that began all this might never have happened 209 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,480 without the help of fake news. 210 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,160 The nation that unleashed the power of fake news in the 19th century 211 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,560 is also where more recent panic about the subject began. 212 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:01,280 TRUMP: It's fake news, it's fake... 213 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,840 I'm telling you, it's just fake news. 214 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,920 It was during the last race for the White House that we started 215 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,280 hearing so much about fake news. 216 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,920 The winner's definition of the term, however, parts company 217 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,320 with the usual meaning. 218 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,200 When President Trump talks about fake news, 219 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,080 which he has done more or less constantly since being elected 220 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:27,560 in 2016, what he means is real news that he doesn't like. 221 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,520 Your organisation is terrible. I'm not going to give you a question. 222 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,840 Can you state categorically...? You are fake news. Sir... Go ahead. Can you state categorically that...? 223 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,440 In Trump's topsy-turvy world, by denouncing real news as fake news, 224 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,000 he and his supporters allow real fake news to flourish. 225 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,360 Confused? You're meant to be. 226 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,200 Trump tweets the phrase regularly 227 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,720 as part of his war on the mainstream media, 228 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,160 and a frequent target is The New York Times. 229 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Ironically, a paper that has long been renowned for its accuracy 230 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,240 owes a massive debt to the fake news crisis of the 1890s. 231 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,960 A man called Adolph Ochs was so horrified by the sensationalism 232 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,000 of Pulitzer and Hearst, 233 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,160 he purchased The Times to provide a more reliable alternative. 234 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,520 It's now run by ex-BBC head Mark Thompson. 235 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,200 Adolph Ochs bought the failing New York Times, 236 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:32,080 it really was failing in the 1890s, with a vision of a different 237 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,240 kind of journalism. 238 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,800 It was going to be accurate, it was going to be serious, 239 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,320 it was going to be accompanied by intelligent and civil opinion 240 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,760 from every perspective, and it changed journalism. 241 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,240 His vision was an idealistic one, but he made it work financially. 242 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,520 To the surprise of a very cynical industry, there was a real call 243 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,280 for it, and the story of real news has been a commercial success story 244 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,760 for most of the time. 245 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,880 But I'm interested because real news is under attack. 246 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,760 At this moment in time, the President's trying to define you 247 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,200 as fake news. 248 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,000 Yeah, it's a very interesting and in some ways rather clever 249 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,280 little trope by Donald Trump that, you know, you should doubt all news, 250 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:21,320 that all of this comes from some agenda, and who's to say what's true 251 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,400 and what's not true? They're not necessarily even trying to persuade 252 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,320 people to believe their version, 253 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,520 they're just trying to cast doubt on all of it. 254 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,440 It's sort of an attack on the idea that we communally share a view 255 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,880 of what might be true. 256 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,080 You could argue that Donald Trump 257 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,120 and some of the other populist leaders have decided that reality 258 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,240 may not suit their purpose, 259 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,960 and would therefore like to cast doubt on it. 260 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,840 In the end, the best journalism is grounded on an idea 261 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,560 that there are facts, that things actually happen, 262 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,400 and that although, of course, every journalist brings some 263 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,800 preconceptions to the party, notwithstanding that, 264 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:05,160 you can do a pretty good job of reflecting the world as it is. 265 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,440 When it comes to capturing the world as it is, 266 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,280 the written word is only one of the available tools. 267 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,400 Images have also long been used to represent reality, 268 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,840 though with these, too, fakery is always a danger. 269 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,160 At this memorial to the American Civil War, 270 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:33,960 artistic tradition brings a familiar idealised heroism to its subject. 271 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,720 But that conflict was also one of the first to be portrayed 272 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,360 with a new technology. 273 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,360 Since its invention in the 1830s, 274 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:48,000 photography had promised a new standard of authenticity. 275 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,600 War photographs, like these by Alexander Gardner, 276 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,200 displayed an unprecedented level of realism. 277 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:00,880 He took this photo in 1863, after the Battle of Gettysburg. 278 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,360 It's a powerful shot, but this pioneering photojournalist 279 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,560 thought he could achieve an even more potent image, 280 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,240 so he and an assistant dragged the dead body of the Confederate soldier 281 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,280 40 yards away from where he'd actually fallen, 282 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,000 and rearranged it in a more dramatic setting. 283 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,160 For extra pathos, the corpse's head has now been turned 284 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,040 to face the camera. 285 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,240 And that's not the fallen soldier's rifle pointing up to the heavens. 286 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,040 It's a prop that Gardner carried around with him. 287 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,440 To inspire pity in the viewer, 288 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,280 he's composed the photo 289 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,800 as if it were a painting. 290 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,200 There was an understanding photography could be flexible. 291 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,240 Nowadays, we wouldn't accept any of this. 292 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,560 We would not, no, this would be definitely seen 293 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,520 as an ethical violation, but at the time, 294 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,320 people were learning the rules of photography of real situations. 295 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,880 What was acceptable behaviour for photojournalists 296 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,400 took decades to resolve. 297 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,160 At a meeting of the Photographers' Association Of America, 298 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,160 one speaker declared he sought, 299 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,080 "Not literal but spiritual and eternal truth." 300 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,000 He rejected what he called "the falseness of ultra realism" 301 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,400 and confessed, "I admire legitimate faking, 302 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,080 "faking which produces the results desired." 303 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280 But the photography of William Mumler, 304 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,320 like this self-portrait, 305 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,720 was felt by many to go way beyond legitimate faking. 306 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,200 Look at the slightly blurry woman on the left. 307 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,000 During the 1860s, when Gardner was rearranging Confederate corpses, 308 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,720 Mumler opened studios in Boston and New York, 309 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,040 where customers would sit for him, alone. 310 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,960 But when Mumler delivered the prints, another figure appeared 311 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,360 in the frame, a ghostly photo-bomber from beyond the grave, 312 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:16,120 and many of Mumler's customers were convinced that the camera 313 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:19,480 could detect what their own eyes could not - 314 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,080 the presence of a dear, departed loved one. 315 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,280 Since America was grieving on an unprecedented scale 316 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,360 during the Civil War years, 317 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:36,040 Mumler had no shortage of clients. 318 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,320 Spiritualism was a growing movement at the time, 319 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:45,040 and some thought his work offered scientific proof of the afterlife. 320 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,200 He was using the mystification of a new technology, 321 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,600 but it was definitely cheating, and he would go off and develop them 322 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,080 and come back and say, "Look, here in this picture, 323 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,200 "over your shoulder, you know who that is, don't you?" 324 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,160 And the sitter would say, "Uncle Homer?" 325 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,800 "Yes! Uncle Homer! It's Uncle Homer!" 326 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,520 It was ludicrous, and that's where it becomes a little troubling, 327 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,600 cos he preyed on people's real grief and desire and passion, and he made 328 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,520 a lot of money from it. 329 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:23,280 The New York authorities arrested Mumler and charged him with fraud. 330 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,320 And he wasn't the only one put on trial in 1869. 331 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,120 So was photography itself. 332 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,560 The prosecution called a series of photographers who put forward 333 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,600 nine different techniques 334 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,880 by which Mumler could've achieved his results, 335 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,160 and none of them were supernatural. 336 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:51,040 Mumler's legal team called a large number of his satisfied customers, 337 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,000 including a Supreme Court Judge. 338 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,960 These people absolutely believed what the camera told them, 339 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,440 and they saw no reason for the law to interfere. 340 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,880 The prosecution hit back with a star witness, 341 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,240 a man who'd made a fortune creating fake exhibits for his circuses, 342 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,760 Phineas T Barnum. 343 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,680 On the basis of "it takes one to know one", 344 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,840 Barnum declared Mumler a charlatan, 345 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,240 and he made a sensational photograph of his own. 346 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,040 Hovering over Barnum's shoulder is President Lincoln, 347 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,520 who had been assassinated four years previously. 348 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,160 When the judge gave his verdict, he declared himself, 349 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,680 "Morally convinced that trick and deception has been practised 350 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,520 "by the prisoner." 351 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:50,040 These visions of the afterlife were fake views but, legally, 352 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,600 the prosecution had failed to prove which fraudulent technique 353 00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:00,880 Mumler had used, so, reluctantly, the judge had to dismiss the case. 354 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,240 Yet even after the disgrace of the trial, 355 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,040 Mumler still attracted select customers. 356 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,160 Three years later, he was commissioned to take a portrait 357 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,520 of Mary Lincoln, the widow of Abraham Lincoln, 358 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,320 who, yes, you guessed it, made a posthumous appearance. 359 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,840 Why would an intelligent woman believe this was an actual photo 360 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,240 of her dead husband, given that Barnum had demonstrated 361 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,440 in court how easy it was to fake this exact scenario? 362 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,640 Presumably, she wanted to believe that the great man 363 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,040 was still there to look after her. 364 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,040 After the trauma of seeing him gunned down in the theatre, 365 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,040 she must have wanted consolation from any source, 366 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,560 however implausible. 367 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,000 And that is the common thread with many fake news stories - 368 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:02,240 people are more likely to believe a lie if they want it to be true. 369 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,600 And just as Mumler hadn't been entirely discredited by the trial, 370 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,040 photography hadn't been entirely vindicated either. 371 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,800 "Who, henceforth, can trust the accuracy of a photograph?" 372 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,040 wrote a shocked journalist from the New York World. 373 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,760 "Photographs have been treasured in the belief they could not lie, 374 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,200 "and now comes the revelation they can be made to lie, 375 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,240 "and with a most deceiving exactness." 376 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,480 In the age of Photoshop and selfie filters, 377 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,760 most people are well aware of how easy it is to crop out 378 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,160 unflattering details or smooth away blemishes from a still image. 379 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,560 By contrast, for most of their history, moving pictures 380 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,880 were seen as more trustworthy. 381 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,280 You basically needed a Hollywood special effects budget 382 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,000 to create convincing fakes. 383 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,280 So, documentaries, for instance, 384 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,120 just show you human life the way it really is. 385 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,160 Obviously you would never find fakery on the BBC, 386 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,080 and I would never mislead you. 387 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,360 UPBEAT CLASSICAL MUSIC REMIX 388 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,560 As you can see, I'm now ready for Strictly. 389 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,080 And I think you'll agree I'm an obvious winner. 390 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,360 OK, so I confess, and you may possibly have suspected, 391 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,080 that wasn't me. 392 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,640 The sequence you just saw was created by visual artist Eric Drass, 393 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,320 who explores the effects of technology 394 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,120 on our understanding of truth. 395 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:13,200 So, this is created using a piece of software that learns your face, 396 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,400 what's known as deepfake. 397 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,200 The software itself comes from the internet, 398 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,160 downloaded for free, and if you've got a teenager 399 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,160 with a super-powerful gaming computer in their bedroom, 400 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,160 that's just the kind of kit you need to do this kind of fakery. 401 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,800 Right. Deepfake is generally used for pornographic clips. 402 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,600 You take the face of a famous actress and you map it onto the body 403 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,440 of a pornographic star and you send that out. 404 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,640 Secret sex tape. 405 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,880 Oh, well, I'm delighted you haven't decided to do that with it! 406 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,480 It immediately seems to be, "Well, I can put someone in a compromising 407 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,200 "position, I can blackmail someone"? Absolutely. 408 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,840 Well, this one here of Obama... 409 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,640 We're entering an era in which our enemies can make it look like 410 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,960 anyone is saying anything at any point in time. 411 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960 For instance, they could have me say things like, 412 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,400 "President Trump is a total and complete dipshit." 413 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,280 The actor Jordan Peele is able to not only give a convincing voice, 414 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,720 but he's able to manipulate the video footage of Obama to match. 415 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,880 But how we move forward... 416 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,480 in the age of information, 417 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,480 is going to be the difference 418 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,040 between whether we survive or whether we become some kind of 419 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,840 fucked-up dystopia. 420 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,680 Pretty effective. Is the dystopian vision the correct one? 421 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,120 It's inevitably going to used for something really grim. 422 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,880 That clip of Obama, we enjoy the fact that it sounds like him 423 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,280 and looks like him, but we know it's not because of what he says, 424 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040 whereas if you make it something plausible, 425 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,640 it's much more likely to spread. Yeah. 426 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,560 We all live in our own filter bubbles and tend to share content 427 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,200 that we agree with, so if I see a politician I hate 428 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,240 saying something objectionable, I'm much more likely to pass it on 429 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,280 to my friends and believe that it's true 430 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,920 because my own world view is being supported. 431 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,360 And do we have any defence against that? 432 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,640 The best defence is to remain suspicious. 433 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:15,000 But as we keep seeing, people often aren't suspicious 434 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,480 about things they want to believe. 435 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,800 And that helps explain the popularity of a particular type 436 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,800 of fake news online. 437 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,240 Here's an example. 438 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,600 During 2016's American elections, 439 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,080 the Pope endorsing Trump was the 440 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,880 most shared news item on Facebook. 441 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,840 It was written as a wind-up, but was so widely believed 442 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,000 some even think it swung the election. 443 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,080 This is worrying terrain for me because the defence used by several 444 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,360 of the most controversial sources of fake news 445 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,600 is that they are producing satire. 446 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240 One of the leading offenders, 447 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,920 who keeps fictionally bumping off Hillary Clinton in ludicrous ways, 448 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,520 is a former construction worker, called Christopher Blair. 449 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,040 A purveyor of fake news, that's me. 450 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,560 Right. I'm glad you're laughing. 451 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,880 VOICEOVER: His most popular stories have been read by millions, 452 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,880 including one reporting that Obama has made a fortune in royalties 453 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,520 from the word "Obamacare". 454 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,560 Every once in a while, a post will go viral. 455 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,920 It means that the headline plus the featured image plus the story 456 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,920 elicited an emotional response from a whole bunch of people, 457 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,800 and if you get a million page views on something and you have ads, 458 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,880 you're going to make some money on it. Do we make a lot of money? 459 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760 Sometimes. There have been times when I made a whole bunch of money. 460 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,720 Typically, no, we make next to nothing. 461 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,880 I'm interested in the people who read it. 462 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,960 I make it my business to mess with not necessarily just people 463 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,560 who have different political views, but political extremists 464 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,760 on the other side, the "alt-right" is what we call them. 465 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,240 OK, so tell me how you actually do it. 466 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,920 So, you take Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, and attach something to it, 467 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,680 a crime, an injury, a death, and add something as silly 468 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,560 as possible to make sure that some reasonable person 469 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,880 is going to be able to say, "I don't know about this." 470 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400 How do you feel about the people who do believe it? 471 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,680 Because I'm terribly worried that you would put a story out 472 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,320 and that becomes part of their world view, and you've done that. Right. 473 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,800 Every article has the word "satire" in it. 474 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,920 It's before the title, after the title again. 475 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,440 The entire operation is satire. 476 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,720 But why do they believe it, then? What is it? An emotional response? 477 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,840 Confirmation bias, 100%. 478 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,200 It's so easy to just pass something along that confirms 479 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,040 what you believe. 480 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,000 I'm serving them what they want. 481 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,320 The number-one comment that we get on our pages, 482 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,560 "I hope this is true." 483 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,440 I'm still not entirely convinced that stories 484 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,920 like these don't have real-world consequences, 485 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,480 especially in our politically polarised times. 486 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,840 Is your conscience clear? Oh, I sleep very well at night. 487 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:13,080 I don't believe that I'm doing anything different from the people 488 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,160 who sell the supermarket tabloids. 489 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,680 Do you believe if there was, you know, the next election, 490 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,520 and you were out there in force, you could change minds either way? 491 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,680 No, I don't believe I can change minds. People who share my headlines 492 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,800 out into cyberspace without reading them, without looking at them, 493 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,480 things like that, they were going to vote for Donald Trump. 494 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,720 They weren't sitting on some fence waiting for my satire to push them 495 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,960 over to the dark side. That's not the way this works. 496 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,360 Unfortunately, they are lower-information, 497 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,280 lower-educated, ignorant people. 498 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,880 My goal is to say, "Why are you so dumb?" 499 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,360 Now, the magazine I edit has itself been accused of being fake news. 500 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,320 An American university put us on a media black list, 501 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,720 basically cos they didn't understand when we were serious 502 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,760 and when we were joking. 503 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,640 As we keep seeing, just because something looks like news, 504 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,560 that doesn't mean it is. And that critical attitude 505 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,440 is also central to any investigative journalism. 506 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,360 Rule number one has to be, "Is this from a reliable source?" 507 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,040 Take, for example, a book that's getting five-star reviews 508 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,360 and purports to be "a shocking expose". 509 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,560 "A must-read if you want the truth." 510 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,040 "Essential to understanding the Hidden Hand by which the world 511 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,520 "is governed and led." 512 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,160 "This is propably," probably, "one of the books that's 513 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,440 "going to be banned, so buy it when it's still possible." 514 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,240 At the moment, it's certainly not difficult to get hold of. 515 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,760 Just one click and it can be at your door. 516 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,800 The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion purports to reveal 517 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,000 the detailed plans with which a Jewish elite 518 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,680 will take over the world, starting with finance, 519 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040 politics, and the media. 520 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,720 Spoiler alert - there is no such plot. 521 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,320 This is an idiotic and largely incomprehensible 522 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,960 anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, 523 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,440 which was comprehensively debunked nearly 100 years ago. 524 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:28,760 What is unbelievable is that it's so freely available now 525 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,760 and so many people still choose to believe it's true. 526 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,400 But then, I would say that, wouldn't I? 527 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:42,360 Because the press is already entirely in their hands. 528 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,400 Baseless preconceptions.. 529 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,400 BELL RINGS 530 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,760 ..and irrational obsessions... BELL RINGS 531 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,200 ..have spawned some of the most malign fake news. 532 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,040 A Russian newspaper, in 1903, first brought to life 533 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,320 the Elders Of Zion. 534 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,360 They were blamed for spreading "decadent capitalism" 535 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,480 and "dangerous democracy" in order to undermine the Tsar. 536 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,960 A few years later, the Protocols were used as proof 537 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,680 that the Communist revolution had been dreamt up by Jews, 538 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,120 who'd also instigated the First World War. 539 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:26,400 The Protocols updated anti-Semitism for the age of the mass media, 540 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,440 making prejudice seem more legitimate by presenting it as news. 541 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,320 The introduction to the early editions claimed that the minutes 542 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,360 of this Jewish plot had been stolen from a secret meeting and passed 543 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,640 to the publisher by someone who mysteriously died. 544 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,040 It sounds like classic undercover, investigative journalism, 545 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,040 but it's simply lies disguised as leaks. 546 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,320 Yet despite clearly recycling ancient, offensive stereotypes, 547 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,560 people across Europe still chose to believe that this book was true. 548 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,280 In Britain, it prompted serious calls for an official enquiry 549 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,840 into the alleged conspiracy. 550 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,400 In 1921, however, The Times published a series of articles 551 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,160 which showed how long passages of the Protocols had in fact 552 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,320 been copied, more or less word for word, from an old French novel, 553 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,000 one which had nothing to do with Judaism. 554 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,760 The sinister Elders Of Zion were shown to be entirely fictitious. 555 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,040 They were fake Jews. 556 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,880 This was encouraging evidence that journalism can correct lies 557 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,120 as well as spread them. 558 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,960 And the reality is that nowadays, 559 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,800 journalists have to do more and more of this. 560 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,600 When I started, the main job was finding new stories. 561 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,880 Now, more and more time is spent debunking fake stories. 562 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,720 Depressingly, even when you lay out the facts clearly 563 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,800 and comprehensively, as The Times does here, 564 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,760 sometimes it's still not enough. 565 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680 The most pernicious thing about conspiracy theories 566 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:21,200 is how they persist, even after they've been thoroughly discredited. 567 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,320 HE SPEAKS GERMAN 568 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,680 When the Nazis came to power, Joseph Goebbels declared 569 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,760 the Protocols could still be put "to very good use", 570 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,240 and so, by the 1930s, the book was being studied 571 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,240 in German classrooms. 572 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,360 Goebbels didn't care it was forged. 573 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,200 What mattered, he said, was "the inner, not the factual truth 574 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,080 "of the Protocols". 575 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,600 Goebbels' boss had used a different argument when he praised 576 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,560 the Protocols in Mein Kampf. 577 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,600 Hitler did concede that some German newspapers had reported 578 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,240 that the Protocols were forgery, but these "groans and moans", 579 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:07,080 he argued, were actually "evidence in favour of their authenticity". 580 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,520 "If these newspapers say they're fake, they must be true." 581 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,640 Basically, he's telling his followers not to believe 582 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,640 in the mainstream media. 583 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,480 70 years after the defeat of the Nazis, the Protocols live on, 584 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,240 notably in the Islamic world. 585 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:32,840 Here it is in 2019 at a Cairo book fair. 586 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,800 Online, anti-Semitism sits alongside hatred of every religious, 587 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,800 ethnic or minority group imaginable. 588 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,440 Fake news stories on Facebook fuelled violence against Muslims 589 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,800 in Burma, while in India, people have been lynched 590 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,880 as a result of lies spread on WhatsApp. 591 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,320 And back in Washington, this pizzeria suffered grim, 592 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,600 real-world consequences from online conspiracy theories. 593 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,040 I've come to meet its owner, James Alefantis. 594 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,640 If you look up my name now, on any platform... Yeah. 595 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,720 ..it's disgusting what appears. 596 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,960 If you look up the name of the restaurant, it's pretty bad, too. 597 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,840 YouTube and Instagram and everything is filled with just...lies. 598 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,240 This story began in 2016, when WikiLeaks released e-mails 599 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,520 from Hillary Clinton's campaign. 600 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,520 Among them was an exchange about James supplying pizza 601 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,000 for a Democrat fundraising dinner. 602 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,880 That was all conspiracy theorists needed 603 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,880 to spin some fantastical accusations. 604 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,360 So, you find out that you are online being described as running 605 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,800 an enormous paedophile ring, based, as far as I can see, 606 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:03,280 on the fact that Comet Ping Pong and cheese pizza has the initials CP, 607 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,120 which is the same as child pornography. 608 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,880 I mean, this is the level of the evidence, isn't it? 609 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,160 People think that Comet Ping Pong, 610 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680 which is a family-friendly restaurant, 611 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,680 is the centre of a place where Hillary Clinton 612 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,480 and these political people were either kidnapping children 613 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,800 and selling them, in order to retain their immense wealth, 614 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,200 or sacrificing them in ritualistic sacrifices, 615 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,280 or sexually abusing them. 616 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,080 There was a big thing about this place was operating 617 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,240 with a basement? 618 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,240 They claim there are tunnels leading from this to the White House 619 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,440 and that Obama is travelling here to Comet in secret tunnels 620 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,920 from the White House. And you pointed out there's not a basement. 621 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,720 It's difficult to exaggerate just how mad this is. 622 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,120 In the beginning, we thought, this is just an online something. Yeah. 623 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,280 And until it broke through, out of this online computer screen 624 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,320 and into the real world, we were basically OK. 625 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,080 The headline is "Pizzagate is real". 626 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,320 The only question is, exactly what is it? But something... 627 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,640 American shock jock Alex Jones recklessly broadcast the theory 628 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,000 to a much wider audience through his show. 629 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,840 There's just so much evil... 630 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,760 In a trademark rant, he urged his followers 631 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,360 to investigate further. 632 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,880 It's up to you to research it for yourself, but... 633 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,760 And one of them duly drove from North Carolina 634 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,960 to the Washington restaurant. 635 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,240 It was December 4th and a man walked in the front door 636 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,160 into a crowded dining room filled with families eating, 637 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,000 carrying a loaded, large AR-15 assault rifle, 638 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,440 walked through this dining room here, down this bar. 639 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,920 VOICEOVER: Of course, he couldn't find the basement full of horrors, 640 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,840 because it didn't exist. 641 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,280 This gunman went to this one locked spot and at this point 642 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,520 he shoots his AR-15... He lets off his rifle? 643 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,320 Yes, into this door, and the bullets went 644 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,480 into our computer system here. Can I have a look? Yeah. 645 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,680 Just check. And there's our computer system still there, 646 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,200 and our messy closet. 647 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,520 But no secret basement. 648 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,720 So he realised that there's nothing there. 649 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:27,760 Yeah, and immediately laid down his weapons and he surrenders 650 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,400 to the police. 651 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,120 And he ended up just shooting a computer. Yeah. 652 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,160 I like the symbolism of that! 653 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,600 He shot the only thing that had actually spread the trouble 654 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,120 in the first place. Did he say anything? 655 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,280 Later, in an interview, he said maybe the intel wasn't 100%. 656 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,080 One of the great understatements. 657 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,720 Luckily, no-one here was killed, but as the judge said in this case, 658 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,880 many people could have. 659 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,840 I still get lots of threatening messages and the conspiracy theory 660 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,920 continues very strongly online. 661 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,920 They claim that this gunman is a false flag and that Hillary Clinton 662 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,760 or I had hired him to distract from our heinous crimes. 663 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,840 Why is it so hard to argue with this sort of fake news? 664 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,160 I mean, you come up with a complete and utter rebuttal of all the things 665 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,040 they say, and they believe it anyway. 666 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,200 There is no appropriate response. 667 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,400 If someone calls you the worst thing in the world, 668 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,960 and you say, I'm not that thing, it's obviously evidence 669 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,680 that you are that thing. Yeah. 670 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,480 It's not disprovable, because the truth isn't what it's about. 671 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,280 The truth doesn't matter. 672 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,840 This place is a powerful testament to the damage that can be caused 673 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,320 by malicious individuals, 674 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,960 but potentially even more corrosive is another category of fake news. 675 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,520 On April the 17th 1917, 676 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,720 as the First World War dragged gruellingly along, 677 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,560 British newspapers carried a horrifying story. 678 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,760 This is the discovery behind enemy lines 679 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,480 of a kadaververwertungsanstalt, 680 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,560 which The Times helpfully translates 681 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,720 as a corpse exploitation establishment. 682 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,920 A factory was extracting fat from the bodies of dead soldiers 683 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,240 to be used in the manufacture of soap, pig food and explosives. 684 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:36,840 The report cited German documents and gave some grisly details. 685 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,240 A great cauldron, where human flesh is steamed for six to eight hours. 686 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,000 It's specific, it's repulsive - and, yes, it's fake. 687 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,680 There are occasions where fake news 688 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,480 has been undertaken with the full knowledge of the state and justified 689 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,560 as being in the national interest. 690 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,200 BELL RINGS 691 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,440 And it's not just nasty dictators 692 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,280 who get up to such dirty tricks. 693 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,280 Sometimes, the good guys do it, too. 694 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,920 So if it's our lot responsible, 695 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,160 is that OK? 696 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,240 The corpse factory story 697 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,120 was signed off and spread around the world from here. 698 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,520 In 1917, the Foreign Office housed the innocuous-sounding 699 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,800 Department of Information. 700 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,800 In fact, the British Empire's HQ for disinformation. 701 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,520 The staff within these walls knew full well that the enemy was not 702 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,200 turning corpses into bombs and bars of soap. 703 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,480 The piece in The Times hinged on official references 704 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,080 to processing cadavers. 705 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,120 But the German word for cadaver in this context 706 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,280 clearly meant animal carcasses, 707 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,400 not human bodies - and they were aware of it. 708 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,560 But the Ministry of Information chose to ignore this 709 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,040 and let that fact be lost in translation. 710 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:17,240 The story caused global outrage, particularly in China, 711 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:20,960 where the dead are especially venerated. 712 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,160 British spies believed the corpse factory lie was what persuaded 713 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,360 the Chinese to abandon their previous neutrality 714 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,640 and join the war on Germany. 715 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,080 So, could the government claim to be justified 716 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,040 in weaponising this story? 717 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,680 After years of slaughter in the trenches, some people 718 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,840 believed Britain should try anything which might help to finally 719 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,600 win the war. 720 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,960 The caricature of the barbaric Hun 721 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,600 was frequently used to stiffen resolve at home, 722 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,000 and since the Germans really did commit some atrocities, 723 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,280 surely it didn't matter if not every story about them was true? 724 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,520 On the other hand, doesn't lying make us as bad as the enemy? 725 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,520 Stafford Cripps, who served in Churchill's War Cabinet 726 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,920 a generation later, said of black propaganda, 727 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,000 "If this is the sort of thing needed to win the war, 728 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,040 "why, I'd rather lose it." 729 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,320 The trouble is, lies have unforeseeable consequences. 730 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,800 25 years after the corpse factory story, Germans really did build 731 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,320 industrial facilities to process human bodies. 732 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,480 But earlier reports of the Holocaust were disbelieved because, 733 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,600 as one American diplomat put it, they sounded too much like 734 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,360 "leftover horror tales of the last war." 735 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,400 That's one of the biggest problems with fake news - 736 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,960 it makes people doubt the truth as well. 737 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:59,360 If, say, in the future, a dictator had weapons of mass destruction, 738 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,120 who would believe the government or the journalist who said so? 739 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,320 The British state no longer runs disinformation campaigns abroad, 740 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,320 or at least, so we're told. 741 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,560 But other states are less squeamish about propaganda. 742 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,400 We know Russia has paid for online advertisements, 743 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,000 including these, to influence elections in America and Europe. 744 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,640 It is estimated over 350 million unsuspecting voters have seen 745 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:41,320 the material, which pretends to be posted by concerned local citizens. 746 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,640 And in 2018, in response to accusations they'd sent Novichok 747 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,960 to Salisbury, the Kremlin took to Twitter and its noisy polemical 748 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,240 TV channel, Russia Today. 749 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,360 And to top all that off, the British insisted... 750 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,480 They put forward 46 alternative theories for whodunnit and why. 751 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,080 Contradictions everywhere. 752 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,280 This is the type of disinformation which most worries our politicians. 753 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,640 There is a deliberate strategy from the Russians to try 754 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,240 and influence news and opinion in other countries, and elections 755 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,200 as well, through these techniques. 756 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,000 I think principally to divide communities and societies, 757 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,800 to turn people against each other. 758 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,720 We've seen them putting out all sorts of conspiracy theories 759 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:36,520 about things like the Skripal poisoning in Salisbury. 760 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,080 And do you think this is effective, you know - they're not hugely 761 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,520 convincing, are they? 762 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,440 They're not, but their purpose is not necessarily to persuade you 763 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,560 of an alternative truth, it's to make you disbelieve everything, 764 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,880 so you no longer know what's true or not true. 765 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,920 And I think they are glad to see that sort of chaos being unleashed. 766 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,800 You led an investigation, 767 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,280 a Parliamentary investigation into fake news. 768 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,320 So, how scared should we be? 769 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,320 I think we should be scared by this. 770 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,280 Not just by the fact that I think fake news is crowding out real news 771 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,560 on social media and people find it often very difficult to 772 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,280 distinguish between what is fake and what's real. 773 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,040 And alongside that, about half the people in this country consume news 774 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,400 from a social media feed, and that feed could easily be gained 775 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,960 by bad actors who want to change what you think and what you see. 776 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,360 Without any... There is no regulator that can stop that happening. 777 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,560 And that means, I think, that our democracy, 778 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,440 our society, is open to massive abuse by anyone who wants to invest 779 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,360 their resources in doing it. 780 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,560 I mean, that's the diagnosis - we should be frightened, 781 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,720 democracy is at risk. What do we do? 782 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,200 If you take, for example, the Russians buying adverts 783 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,880 on social media to target Americans 784 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,920 in the American presidential election, 785 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,720 those ads were approved by the Facebook ad-check team. 786 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:55,760 This is someone committing a federal offence 787 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,600 by using foreign money to try and influence voters in America. 788 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,840 And when we asked Facebook about this, they said, 789 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,880 "If we'd been told this was going on, we would have looked into it 790 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,960 "and done something about it and cooperated with the investigation." 791 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,560 So it's your fault for not telling us? Exactly, so... 792 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,680 The company with the most complex research teams in the world. 793 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,400 If you ran a bank like that, you'd lose your licence. If you said, 794 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,160 "I can see someone is laundering money, but no-one asked me about it, 795 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,560 "so I didn't do anything." 796 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,160 So, in that situation, the only people that could really intervene 797 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,560 are the companies that are providing the technology. 798 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,760 The British Museum, that traditional temple to truth, 799 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,040 might seem an unexpected destination for a history of fake news. 800 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,880 But at the end of the 19th century, people here were confronted 801 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,240 with the same question Parliament is grappling with in the 21st century - 802 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,000 what can be done about fake news? 803 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,080 For 140 years, this was the home of the British Library. 804 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,720 The reading room was built to be a cathedral of knowledge, 805 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,440 and obliged by law to keep a copy of every British book, 806 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,360 and as many foreign ones as possible, as well. 807 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:20,160 But in 1893, someone discovered fake news on these shelves. 808 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,960 What happened next has uncanny parallels with much more recent 809 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,040 debates about the internet. 810 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,640 Do people have the right to be forgotten, 811 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,440 and who should be held responsible for fake news about them? 812 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,640 The victim of the fake news in question was a remarkable American 813 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,200 called Victoria Woodhull, who campaigned for female suffrage, 814 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,080 and in 1872, was the first woman ever to run to be president. 815 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,760 The contentious material originated from that time and from New York, 816 00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,280 where Woodhull was also the editor of her own newspaper. 817 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,040 Arguing for sexual freedom and against male hypocrisy, 818 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,280 Woodhull published an expose about a famous preacher of the day, 819 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,760 Henry Ward Beecher, who was having an adulterous affair. 820 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,360 For exposing the truth about the great and well-connected 821 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,600 clergyman Beecher, she found herself smeared by fake news reports. 822 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,520 Papers and pamphlets accused her of being a drunk, 823 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,640 the mistress of a gambling den, or the queen of prostitutes. 824 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,440 It's really easy to shut down a woman by calling her a slut, 825 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,120 it instantaneously takes away all her credibility. 826 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,160 It really works. It has worked for generations. 827 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,400 You always criticise uppity women for being sexually unconventional, 828 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:51,200 you smear them with whatever is seen as bad in the context 829 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,160 of the times, and she was smeared with all of that... Yeah. 830 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,040 ..because she was challenging these very entrenched and important mores, 831 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,720 she was assaulted. 832 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,680 Woodhull was made out to be the devil, literally. 833 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,520 And to escape the media storm, she fled to Britain. 834 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,080 But when she discovered the lies about her were preserved 835 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,360 for posterity in the British Museum, 836 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,560 she and her husband sent them a letter of complaint. 837 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,800 They accused the Library of 838 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,920 "bringing within the reach of the public, 839 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,240 "obscene and defamatory literature." 840 00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:32,600 What Victoria wanted was for the offending publications 841 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,680 to be taken down off the shelves permanently. 842 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,680 This caused great concern to the chief librarian, 843 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,200 who the next day wrote, "The trustees will not, 844 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,840 "I'm sure, sanction the principle that a book is to be withdrawn 845 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,320 "merely because it is objected to. 846 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,520 "Such a principle might have very extensive 847 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,680 "and very undesirable consequences." 848 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,720 He believed, of course, that a library shouldn't be 849 00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:06,040 in the business of banning books, nor of censoring history. 850 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,560 But Victoria was not a woman who took no for an answer and, 851 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,000 incredibly, she decided to sue the British Museum for libel. 852 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,200 At a High Court hearing in 1894, 853 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,320 the museum's lawyer warned of the consequences 854 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,800 if Victoria proved victorious. 855 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:34,040 He estimated that the library would need to employ 110 experts 856 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,960 in libel law to inspect the 315,000 new books 857 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,600 added to the collection every year. 858 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,240 Surely, he argued, 859 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:48,040 no library could be expected to fact-check the books on its shelves? 860 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,400 Set against these arguments, however, 861 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,360 was the persuasive testimony of Victoria herself. 862 00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:03,120 And the jury...sensationally found in her favour. 863 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,160 However, on appeal, the museum won. 864 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,040 Clearly, they hadn't actually published the material 865 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,080 that Victoria objected to, neither had they originated it. 866 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:18,800 The judge ruled that librarians must not be found guilty by association. 867 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,280 This was an important verdict for freedom of information. 868 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,160 And, to this day, most people would agree that libraries 869 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,360 should not be held liable for their contents. 870 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,800 But should the principle apply to all sites that store information? 871 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,480 The British Museum's arguments have been put forward more recently 872 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,760 by the giants of Silicon Valley. 873 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,760 They say they can't be expected to fact-check what's on their sites 874 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,600 and they are not publishers, merely platforms. 875 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,000 Tech companies have a responsibility because they are not just making 876 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,960 the content available to you, they are curating what you see. 877 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,000 You are seeing content that's been selected for you by the tech company 878 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,680 because it thinks that's what you're most interested in. Yes. 879 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,120 Which is very different from a library. Indeed. 880 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,880 It's a system that's been designed to make money for the platforms 881 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,960 out of advertising. Though the technology that's being used 882 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,680 to direct you towards the perfect pair of trainers 883 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,920 could also be used to direct you towards radicalised hate speech, 884 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,440 disinformation, other harmful content as well, and I think we 885 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,160 should call the tech companies out on this and say they can do more to stop it. 886 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,800 # We're half-awake 887 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,040 # In a fake empire... # 888 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,640 Given so many people are online so much of the time, 889 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,800 and so much of what's out there isn't true, 890 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,120 I believe there are potentially very real threats from fake news. 891 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,520 The more hatred and vitriol that shows up on these platforms, 892 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,480 the more people are engaged, and the more revenue they receive. 893 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,040 So they have monetised hatred and fake news is the way 894 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:02,040 they've done it? Yes. And people get hurt from these things. 895 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,360 But all is not yet lost. 896 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,680 I think we can draw some hope and some inspiration 897 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,200 from how previous eras dealt with their crises of trust. 898 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,880 Back in the 1890s, the arrival of superfast printing presses 899 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,960 and advertising created a crazy period in the media. 900 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,440 You know, highly exaggerated journalism arrived. 901 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,160 Now, we're seeing some of the similar things with digital, 902 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,920 the immediacy of digital, its global reach, 903 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,480 again makes it prey to all sorts of distortions and abuse. 904 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,720 If you are an optimist, you say history suggests that what happens 905 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,880 is people get used to this, they take it with a pinch of salt, 906 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,080 they calm down and eventually you get a kind of new equilibrium. 907 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,000 If we are to have genuine grounds for such optimism, 908 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,960 we do need to be ruthless about a tendency all of us have, 909 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:03,840 and one we've seen time and again in the past and the present. 910 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,520 We have to stop believing news stories 911 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,760 just because we want them to be true. 912 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,640 I'm not saying don't believe in anything - 913 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,800 that's exactly what the peddlers of fake news would love, 914 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,840 the idea that no-one even cares what the truth is any more. 915 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,000 But there are still such things as objective facts, 916 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,800 events either did or didn't happen. 917 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,680 Not everything is a matter of opinion. 918 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,960 So I'm not arguing for a more cynical public, 919 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,960 I want a more sceptical public, who question the new social media 920 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,080 in the same way they do the old mainstream media. 921 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,640 Who is telling me this and why? 922 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,680 And do they actually know anything about it? 923 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,600 In short, you have to be very critical about who you trust. 924 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,320 Apart from me, obviously. 925 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,880 MUSIC: Fake Empire by The National 926 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,520 # Turn the light out, say goodnight 927 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,200 # No thinking for a little while 928 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,080 # We're half-awake 929 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,160 # In a fake empire 930 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,040 # We're half-awake 931 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,440 # In a fake empire... # 127158

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.