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Ari Wallach: What I find
so fascinating about being human
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is that every generation
kind of starts from zero.
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Almost every other animal
can pretty much
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stand up within a few seconds,
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and they can kind of
make it on their own.
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We can't.
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So to be human means from
the very first several seconds
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to be dependent
and to be in relationship
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with other humans
for not just our basic needs
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but all of our needs.
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To be human means to be
in a social context.
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It means to be
in relationship with others,
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in relationship with yourself.
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But our world
as it's built right now
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doesn't drive us towards that.
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If anything, it actually
drives us further apart.
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We set up offices with cubes
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where people
actually don't see each other.
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We have
these single-family homes.
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And then we take our youth
and we send them
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for most of the day
to one building.
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And then we take our
grandparents and our seniors,
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and we send them off
to another building.
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While we know what led to kind
of flourishing and happiness
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for tens of thousands of years,
in many ways,
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we're doing the exact opposite.
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At the end of the day,
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we are now realizing that
this hardware that
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is the human,
kind of, biological being
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is now operating in
an environment, in a context,
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both in terms of politics,
in terms of technology,
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just in terms of
the pace of the world
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that it just wasn't made for.
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And we're starting
to actually step back and say,
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"Is this actually the way
I want to be human?"
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[Grimes' "Oblivion" playing]
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♪
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Grimes: ♪ I never walk about
after dark ♪
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♪ It's my point of view ♪
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♪ 'Cause someone
could break your neck ♪
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♪ Coming up behind you,
always coming ♪
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♪ And you'd never have a clue ♪
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♪ I never look behind
all the time ♪
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♪ I will wait forever ♪
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♪ Always looking straight ♪
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♪ Thinking, counting
all the hours you wait ♪
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[music]
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Wallach: The modern moment
we're living in
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and the rapidly changing world
around us
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is forcing us to ask
some new and needed questions
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about what it means to be human.
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As my journey continues,
I've been thinking a lot
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about the role of Homo sapiens
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right now
and in the years to come.
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How is technology changing us?
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Can we evolve past
our worst tendencies?
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And is there something sacred
about who we are
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that goes beyond
just what we can achieve?
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These questions have
big implications
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for the kind of futures
we choose to create,
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so today I've come to spend
time with a group of people
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living together in
a retirement community
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to hear a perspective
that only age can provide.
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So I just want to start off
by just asking anyone,
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What does it mean to be human
at this moment in time?
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Resident: In this day
and age where we live,
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in a 55 & older community,
we are being human,
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because we take care
of one another.
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We look out
for one another.
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For me, I think being human
is knowing that I'm imperfect
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and that the people
around me are imperfect,
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and that I don't have to look
for perfection in others.
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Different resident:
From a spiritual point of view,
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being a human is to learn
a lesson in this world.
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Because we are now
in a physical form
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and because a spirit
could be reincarnated.
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So here, I am learning
everything that I can.
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Different resident:
We want to be heard.
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We want to be seen.
We want to be loved.
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We want to find someone
that can really--
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we can connect with, that can
bring that true happiness
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to life for us.
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Being human is
a lot of things to me.
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When I was younger,
as someone else pointed out,
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it was different.
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It was moving forward in this
very tunnel vision of life--
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raising children, doing a job,
doing everything else.
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I'm able to take
that experience, though,
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and share it with grandchildren
that I have
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that are in their 20s and 30s,
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and saying, These are the things
to look forward to me.
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So being human means being
compassionate, having empathy.
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How would you have answered
that several decades ago?
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I think in the past,
it was all about sacrifice.
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You sacrificed for your
children.
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You sacrificed
part of your own self
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to build worth so that you can
have freedom later on in life.
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Different resident: I also think
that years ago as a young mother
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and homemaker,
my focuses were so narrow.
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It was home. It was work.
It was children.
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And now today,
my focus is so widened.
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It's like a freedom.
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I think about my spirituality
and how I can broaden that,
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what I can teach someone else,
particularly my grandchildren
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and young people,
and it's joyous.
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Different resident:
A decade ago, it was a blur.
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Wallach: Mm-hmm.
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It was just too fast.
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There was no time to reflect.
Now there is.
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Residents: Mm-hmm.
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Wallach: So what we know
about the conditions
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that lead us either to our
best or worst as human beings
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really is situational.
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Humans at their best,
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humans at their
most kind of benevolent,
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have been humans that have
been in a set of conditions
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where they have felt cared for,
where they have felt safe,
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and where they have had
a sense of security
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not just about the present
moment but what is to come.
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Now, that's obviously gonna beg
the question about right now,
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because in this kind of
crossroads moment that we're in,
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a lot of us don't feel safe.
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We don't feel secure,
whether it's climate change,
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racial injustice,
or the headlines
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around what artificial
intelligence is doing,
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coming for our jobs.
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We're kind of
moving into a fear stance.
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Man: What I think
we're struggling with right now
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is trying to retrieve
what it means to be human
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in a digital age.
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We know something's wrong.
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Film narrator: The story
you're going to see and hear
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is about science.
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It is also a story about you.
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Woman: One interesting
question to ask right now--
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What does it mean to be human?
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And I think it's good
to ask that question
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because what it meant
to be human
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may be different going forward.
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Douglas Rushkoff: Back when
I was a little hacker kid,
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there was something
we called an exploit.
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And that was,
when you were hacking,
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you would find an exploit
in the computer
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so that you could
get in there and, like,
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control the thermostat
at the mall, right,
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or change your grades in school.
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What we're doing now is
telling our computers
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and digital technologies
and AIs and algorithms
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to find exploits in us--
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exploits in our psychology,
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exploits in our
emotional fabric,
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exploits in our neurology--
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and to mine them
for whatever purposes
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they deem are important to them.
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So when we are living
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in a landscape
increasingly populated by
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entities that are trying to
exploit us, to destabilize us,
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to decalibrate our neurology
and psychology,
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we are going to end up
emotionally unstable
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and cognitively compromised.
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Amy Webb: There are startups.
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There are established companies
that are working very hard
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right now to bring machines
and humans together in new ways.
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We have tools
that could transform humanity.
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And we need to really
think through
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how we're gonna deploy them.
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Wallach: These new tools
are fascinating
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and full of incredible potential
to improve our lives,
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but they also raise
all sorts of questions
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about the impacts
and unintended consequences
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they will bring.
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What does it mean
to add on to our biology?
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And what are the implications
to who and what we are?
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I've come
to Cambridge University,
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where an augmentation designer
named Dani Clode
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is working on a project
called the Third Thumb,
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a 3-D-printed hand extension
controlled by the feet,
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exploring the impacts
of body-connected technology.
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So this is my thumb.
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So this is controlled
with my toes.
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So there's pressure sensors
underneath my big toes.
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And I'm controlling
the two degrees of freedom.
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It seems kind of bizarre
to be controlling
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something on my hand
with my toes,
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but there's also
so many products that--
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already utilize this
really strong connection
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between our
upper and lower limbs.
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And often
it's to extend the task
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that our hands are doing.
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Driving is the main one.
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Instruments, sewing machines.
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It's very frequent that
we'll kind of, you know,
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lean on the toes to extend
the function of the hands.
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It does freak me out
a little bit.
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Yeah, does it?
It's a normal first response.
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Is it? Is it? I mean,
what is that coming--
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like, deep down, what is it
that folks are responding to
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when they see--it's
one thing to talk about
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something like this
theoretically.
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It's another thing to be
talking to another human
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with six fingers.
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It's really important
that I find that line
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and don't try
to cross it too much
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in terms of the weirdness.
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Because I want it
to be accepted.
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You know, I want it to be
something that
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people are intrigued
about trying on.
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Hesitant but intrigued
is my sweet spot,
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and so not scared.
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So, yeah.
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So this is what is going
underneath your foot.
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The main control is
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the dominant kind of
flexion control.
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And it sits just
on your palm there.
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So we usually do--
so the dominant movement,
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which is flexion/extension
of our thumb.
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So this is flexion, extension
and adduction and abduction.
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So that's where the 2 degrees
of freedom of the thumb
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that I focus on.
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I want to see if I can--
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Yeah. You're doing good for
your first kind of minute.
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[laughs]
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What you probably notice
is that straight away,
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it's quite easy to do
the big, full movements...
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Yeah.
really quickly.
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And then it's, what you start
to learn across the week,
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if you were a participant,
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is there's really smaller,
finer motor movements.
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And that's when kind of
calibrating the sensors
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to your feet and stuff
would really help.
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It's already changing
the way that you
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are considering
approaching an object.
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Yeah. There we go.
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[laughs]
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Have to keep
the pressure on it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, but just--I mean,
look, I'm a minute into it.
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But then the ability to--
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Yeah.
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There we go.
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I'm not as scared
anymore.
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[laughs]
I'm so glad.
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Wallach, voice-over: Dani's
project is designed to be
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a fun and thought-provoking
experience,
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but it sits inside of
a rapidly-accelerating new field
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known as human augmentation,
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where designers around the world
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are working on ways
to increase and expand
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our bodies' natural capacities.
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And as simple as it seems
to play with a third thumb,
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what she is really doing
is using this as a way
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to learn about
how our brains respond
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to tools outside
our biological bodies.
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How does this change
the definition of human?
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Because when we often
think of the term human...
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we think of...
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the very kind of classic
Homo sapiens hardware set.
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But you're talking about
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something
dramatically different.
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How will that change
how we think about
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what it means to be human?
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I mean, I think we're
already playing around
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with what it means
to be human.
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We're adapting
ourselves already
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so much technologically,
you know?
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And even something as,
like, simple and complex
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as memory with our phones,
you know,
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we're already changing
the way, you know,
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we utilize our memory.
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I don't know if you can
remember phone numbers,
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but I used to remember
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all my best friends'
phone numbers.
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And now, I can barely
remember my own.
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We're already shifting
ourselves so much.
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And so when you start
to kind of change the way
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we embody this technology
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that's implanted
or removable or wearable,
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the human is gonna not
stop at the skin level.
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What we're talking about
isn't slowing down.
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It's just speeding up.
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What are the questions
that you're asking yourself
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about where this might go,
where this should go,
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where this could go?
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I'm so excited for how much
it's gonna help people,
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but we also just have to--
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I feel like we just have
to move at this equal pace
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of questioning it
constantly.
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And I feel like a lot of
people that
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are developing
this kind of technology
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aren't really
truly thinking
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about the impact
on our biological selves.
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Because it's
technology, right?
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So we just kind of like,
go, go, go, go, go
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as fast as possible.
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And make it efficient,
make it--you know.
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And where ability is even
not included as much,
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let's just make it work.
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And then we'll work out
everything else later.
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And so we really just need
to be cautious of that.
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Wallach, voice-over:
What's striking about this field
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is how little is currently known
about
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how our brains will respond
to these new tools.
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And that's what
Dani is calling for,
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a lot more study into
the effects and consequences
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as new products and designs
continue to roll out.
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While I was there,
she let me take part
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in an MRI-based study
designed to measure
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the brain's response
to this kind of augmentation,
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as participants
follow simple prompts
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to move the third thumb,
generating valuable data
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that she and her team
can analyze.
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We're just about to start,
yeah? You ready?
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Wallach: I'm ready.
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Man: Just touch the fingers,
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so your thumb
and the other fingers together.
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Like one, yeah. OK?
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Yeah. I can already see that.
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OK. We stop now.
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Wallach: This is amazing,
because it's my brain.
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Clode: It is your brain.
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Wallach: What is it that
you're curious about?
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Clode: Well,
we want to see the impact that
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potentially that
upper limb augmentation
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is having on your brain.
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And we have to do MRI
to really investigate that.
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In many ways,
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what took hundreds of
thousands of years
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or maybe even millions
of years of evolution
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to give us these, you know,
10 fingers and 10 toes,
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you're now doing in a matter
of a couple of years.
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Yeah, I mean,
we're not sure
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what a couple of years
using augmentation devices
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would do to the brain.
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At the moment, we're running
a seven-day training study,
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which is already
a lot of data collection.
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So, yeah.
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I mean, but this is technology
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that could potentially
be used for years.
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We need to see the impact
that it's having on the brain
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to try and investigate
what's changing.
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Wallach, voice-over:
The research Dani is doing
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is fascinating and feels
more important than ever
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as we look ahead.
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Augmentation is only
the tip of the spear
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in terms of
the scientific transformation
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we are in the midst of.
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Beyond simply adding on to life,
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the rapidly-expanding field
of synthetic biology
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is actually editing
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the very building blocks of life
itself.
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Webb: I like to think
about synthetic biology
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as a general purpose technology.
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This is a technology that,
over time, has
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the ability to generate value,
create new types of jobs,
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and basically become
a invisible part of society.
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Other general purpose
technologies--the steam engine.
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The internet completely
transformed society.
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Synthetic biology is a new
general purpose technology
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that will impact
just about every industry
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everywhere on the planet,
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whether that's coming up
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with a self-healing paint
for your car,
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so if your car gets scratched,
you know,
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that the paint heals itself,
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or a new type of antibiotic.
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What if there was a leaf
that was able
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to suck more CO2
out of the atmosphere?
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What would it mean
for a computer
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that combines human brain cells
and the computer chip?
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There are reasons that
we want to edit, to enhance,
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but we also have to
think through
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the sort of knock-on effects,
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the unintended consequences
of that enhancement.
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Wallach, voice-over: As human
and nonhuman technology
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continues to speed up,
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it raises both new
and very old questions about
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who and what we are as people.
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Why do we feel so disconnected
from ourselves, from each other,
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and from the kind of futures
we want to see unfold?
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What does it mean to not only
improve the human hardware
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but the software as well?
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I came to Oakland to sit with
a Zen priest named Rev. Angel
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to learn about why,
even with all these new tools,
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being human today in so many
ways feels harder, not easier,
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than it ever has before.
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What does it mean
to be human?
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To care...
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to be connected...
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and to be compassionate.
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My take is that we are
in deep yearning
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and we're not
comfortable with that.
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We've created so much division
and separation and connection,
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and we don't know how
to get back to ourselves.
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We put everything outside,
and then we're
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turning around, looking,
and going, "Am I OK?"
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We just spend our lives
going, like, "Am I OK?"
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Where does the pain
come from right now
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that is kind of
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reverberating
throughout society?
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Yeah, it's disconnect.
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All of that is disconnect,
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disconnect from--you know,
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we have a planet
that is, like,
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screaming bloody murder for us
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to either, like,
get off of it or get with it.
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We have come to accept
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someone else's
limited imagination
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of what it means
to be human,
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that we are here, basically,
clubbing each other to death,
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trying to get ahead.
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We have to yield
the notion that we are--
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we are defined
by what we produce.
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We have to give
ourselves over
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to the understanding that--
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that we have inherent worth
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and, therefore,
let go of the ways
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in which our worth
is being defined.
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When you get off that train
and you recognize
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that care and connection is
the thing that allows you
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to be alive, to see,
to taste, to feel,
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it shifts entirely
what you think is important.
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What you drive towards,
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what is actually moving you
is entirely different.
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Wallach, voice-over: In the face
of so much change and turmoil
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in the world around us,
it's beautiful to remember
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just how simple and sacred it
really is to be a human being.
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And when I actually slow down
long enough to remember,
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it does fill me with a renewed
sense of hope and possibility
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for who and what we can become.
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If built within us all is
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the capacity
for love and compassion,
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then what does it look like
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to extend that
to those around us?
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In a moment
when we constantly see
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the effects of us at our worst,
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I'm interested
in people who can show us
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what's possible
when we come to see ourselves
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and those around us
as innately human.
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So I came to Los Angeles
to spend time
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with a group of people who are
using music to do just that.
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Conductor: Ready? And...
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[music playing]
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[conductor saying commands
indistinctly]
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♪
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Cycle. Beautiful job...
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So my name's Tony Brown,
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and I'm the CEO
of Heart of Los Angeles,
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and I'm the co-founder
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of the Intergenerational
Music Programs.
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Wallach: Tell me
how it got started.
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Give me kind of
the origin story
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and what it is now.
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So when we first
started thinking
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about the Intergenerational
orchestra programs,
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we wanted to make sure
that we were reaching
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into the African-American
communities
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in Los Angeles County,
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we wanted to make sure
we were reaching
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into the elder communities
throughout Los Angeles,
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and we wanted
to make sure, of course,
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we hit not only
Latinx, Filipino,
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but our Korean brothers
and sisters, too,
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that this was not
just going to be
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any other orchestra or
every other orchestra.
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This was gonna be one that
was truly intergenerational
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and, likely,
truly multicultural.
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Conductor:
Piano, piano, piano, piano!
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Wallach:
So why do that, right?
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Because it'd be much easier
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to just have
a youth orchestra...
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Sure.
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and have an elder orchestra.
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What's the thinking behind an
intergenerational orchestra?
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This orchestra opportunity
gives everyone the chance
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to dust off
their instrument, right,
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and pick it back up again
and go on a journey together.
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And I think for the elders,
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it's what they look
forward to every week.
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It's maybe the one thing
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they look forward to
most every week.
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And for the young people,
the incredible wisdom
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that they gain
from their elders
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and also the sense
of empowerment
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they get
from teaching an elder--
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how to remember the fingering
that, you know,
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we used to know
10 and 15 years ago--
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is pretty special to see.
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Those of us who are
providing youth services
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realize that it's
so critically important
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for young people to have
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caring adults
in their lives.
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And for many
of our young people,
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that's hard to come by,
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and for, you know,
of course,
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our adults, our elders,
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there's no reason they
should ever have to,
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you know,
live or die alone.
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They should be able to exit
this great Earth knowing
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that they've touched
the lives of others
502
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,833
and are loved
and will be missed.
503
00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:50,033
Wallach, voice-over: Tony's love
for this unique orchestra is
504
00:22:50,033 --> 00:22:54,033
evident, but even more so is his
belief that human compassion
505
00:22:54,033 --> 00:22:56,233
has the ability
to cut across differences
506
00:22:56,233 --> 00:22:59,466
and transform our lives
and communities.
507
00:22:59,466 --> 00:23:01,200
Tony, voice-over:
You look at an orchestra,
508
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,200
and it's a metaphor to me
of coming together
509
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,133
and producing
something beautiful,
510
00:23:08,133 --> 00:23:10,733
even though there's different
types of instruments
511
00:23:10,733 --> 00:23:12,566
that make different sounds,
512
00:23:12,566 --> 00:23:14,600
you know,
that are different sizes.
513
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,466
And yet, when you
bring them together
514
00:23:16,466 --> 00:23:17,933
through
this common experience
515
00:23:17,933 --> 00:23:20,100
of learning
and developing together
516
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:23,066
at the same time,
growing together,
517
00:23:23,066 --> 00:23:24,766
lifelong learning together,
518
00:23:24,766 --> 00:23:27,700
to then produce
this beautiful sound,
519
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:31,900
it gives you hope that
despite our differences,
520
00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:33,533
we can come together
521
00:23:33,533 --> 00:23:35,200
and make something
beautiful happen.
522
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,866
And that's what we
should be doing
523
00:23:36,866 --> 00:23:39,233
not only inside
of an orchestra program,
524
00:23:39,233 --> 00:23:40,900
but throughout
our communities.
525
00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:43,700
[cheering and applause]
526
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:45,933
[conductor
speaking indistinctly]
527
00:23:45,933 --> 00:23:48,233
Rushkoff: Every single
interaction you have
528
00:23:48,233 --> 00:23:49,700
with every other human,
529
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:54,733
every single one
of them has the opportunity
530
00:23:54,733 --> 00:24:01,033
for an experience of grace
and connection and wonder.
531
00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:04,266
Woman: Empathy is our ability
to perceive,
532
00:24:04,266 --> 00:24:06,666
understand,
and to some extent,
533
00:24:06,666 --> 00:24:10,366
feel the emotions
and pain of others.
534
00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:15,633
And it's so central to us all
being on this planet,
535
00:24:15,633 --> 00:24:19,700
because without collaboration,
reciprocity,
536
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:24,000
and helping behaviors,
none of us would be here.
537
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,833
Rushkoff: It's so simple
to look around and see
538
00:24:27,833 --> 00:24:30,033
what actually needs to be done.
539
00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:31,500
Whose hand needs to be held?
540
00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:34,000
Who's sitting alone on a bench?
541
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,966
Helen Riess: The really
burning question is,
542
00:24:36,966 --> 00:24:39,000
Can empathy be taught?
543
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,266
Because most people think
it's an inborn trait,
544
00:24:42,266 --> 00:24:44,500
you know, that you
either have or you don't,
545
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:46,666
and that you can't do
much about it.
546
00:24:46,666 --> 00:24:48,500
And I think
that's an accepted view,
547
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,866
so people don't even try.
548
00:24:50,866 --> 00:24:54,000
One of the most exciting things
about our research
549
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,600
was that we really
dispelled the myth.
550
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,266
We learned that empathy
can be augmented.
551
00:25:01,266 --> 00:25:04,033
When we realize that
there are certain ways
552
00:25:04,033 --> 00:25:07,100
to nurture empathy,
that's something we can teach.
553
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:10,866
It can start
when children are very young.
554
00:25:10,866 --> 00:25:15,166
Feeling with someone is
altogether different.
555
00:25:15,166 --> 00:25:17,833
That means part of you--
556
00:25:17,833 --> 00:25:21,266
part of yourself has been
touched by that person's pain
557
00:25:21,266 --> 00:25:23,733
enough to want to relieve it.
558
00:25:27,566 --> 00:25:31,500
Wallach: Up until
having kids, I always kind of
559
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:37,200
viewed my life very much
as like a 100-yard dash, right?
560
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,766
Like, Ari is born.
561
00:25:38,766 --> 00:25:42,200
I do a bunch of stuff,
and then Ari dies.
562
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,566
All of a sudden, I have kids.
563
00:25:44,566 --> 00:25:47,100
I remember at one point
holding one of my daughters
564
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:49,033
kind of, you know, skin to skin,
565
00:25:49,033 --> 00:25:55,166
and for the first time,
felt emotion that was
566
00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:57,066
actually outside
of my physical body.
567
00:25:57,066 --> 00:25:58,666
Like, I had actually,
in some ways,
568
00:25:58,666 --> 00:26:02,633
transcended
my biological hardware footprint
569
00:26:02,633 --> 00:26:04,566
in a way that
was totally unexpected.
570
00:26:04,566 --> 00:26:08,100
The other thing was
I transcended time.
571
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,933
You know,
they were like time machines,
572
00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:11,900
but they were these,
like, gifts from the future.
573
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,433
And I now for the first time
saw how my actions
574
00:26:14,433 --> 00:26:19,433
were going to affect the world
that my children will inhabit,
575
00:26:19,433 --> 00:26:22,433
that my grandchildren
will inhabit.
576
00:26:22,433 --> 00:26:27,466
Woman: How can we expand
the temporal horizons
577
00:26:27,466 --> 00:26:29,966
that we're all operating within
578
00:26:29,966 --> 00:26:32,433
and are comfortable
thinking within
579
00:26:32,433 --> 00:26:34,633
and really look beyond a time
580
00:26:34,633 --> 00:26:41,100
that goes ahead of
our own individual lifespans?
581
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,166
How do we think
about generations
582
00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:46,133
who will inherit this planet?
583
00:26:46,133 --> 00:26:48,333
And in the policies
that we're making,
584
00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:50,133
in the businesses
that we're launching,
585
00:26:50,133 --> 00:26:51,733
in the products that
we're designing,
586
00:26:51,733 --> 00:26:55,600
how can we lead
from a place of care?
587
00:26:57,133 --> 00:26:59,800
Wallach: These ideas
of seeing beyond ourselves
588
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,700
and our one lifetime
589
00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:03,700
are more important
right now than ever.
590
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:07,133
If empathy is a muscle
that grows when we use it,
591
00:27:07,133 --> 00:27:09,166
what does it look like
to foster more of it
592
00:27:09,166 --> 00:27:12,700
in a world desperate for more
compassion and connection?
593
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:16,333
In Amsterdam, these ideas
aren't theoretical.
594
00:27:16,333 --> 00:27:18,200
They're being put to use,
creating
595
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,900
new ways of caring for the most
vulnerable in our societies.
596
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:23,666
Jannette Spiering:
I'm Jannette Spiering,
597
00:27:23,666 --> 00:27:26,700
and I am a founder
of the Hogeweyk,
598
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:29,366
which is a dementia village.
599
00:27:29,366 --> 00:27:31,733
Wallach: I want to talk
a little bit about aging,
600
00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:33,200
kind of, in general.
601
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,400
How do you see
those stigmas around aging,
602
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,866
and how do you see
those changing?
603
00:27:36,866 --> 00:27:39,800
I sometimes think
that old age
604
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,200
is seen as an illness.
605
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,533
It's also maybe
kind of a nuisance.
606
00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:48,166
And that really
has to change,
607
00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:49,533
because there will be
608
00:27:49,533 --> 00:27:52,200
so many elderly people
in the future
609
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,333
everywhere
in every country.
610
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:57,900
Many of them will become
diagnosed with dementia.
611
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:01,100
One in three people
in the world
612
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:03,800
will die with a diagnosis
of dementia.
613
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,433
Imagine that.
614
00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:08,933
It is fearful
to think of that.
615
00:28:08,933 --> 00:28:11,366
And especially
when you are aware
616
00:28:11,366 --> 00:28:14,266
that we cannot segregate
617
00:28:14,266 --> 00:28:15,900
all these people
from society.
618
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:19,066
Wallach: So what are some
of the characteristics that
619
00:28:19,066 --> 00:28:21,233
we'll find in this village
that, for instance,
620
00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:22,800
we wouldn't find in,
you know,
621
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,466
a block
institutional setting?
622
00:28:24,466 --> 00:28:25,966
Spier:
What we try to do is
623
00:28:25,966 --> 00:28:29,033
to get away
from the institute.
624
00:28:29,033 --> 00:28:31,933
Nursing homes are--
well, as I see them--
625
00:28:31,933 --> 00:28:35,800
awful institutes, where
people are locked in
626
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,933
and segregated
from society.
627
00:28:38,933 --> 00:28:42,700
Everything that you will
find in the Hogeweyk
628
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:45,900
is different from
a regular institute.
629
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:48,300
The way people live
together, for example.
630
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,766
We created houses where
7 people live together.
631
00:28:51,766 --> 00:28:54,366
Every meal is cooked
in the houses.
632
00:28:54,366 --> 00:28:56,366
And you have to go
to a supermarket
633
00:28:56,366 --> 00:29:00,966
to get your groceries to be
able to create that meal.
634
00:29:00,966 --> 00:29:04,466
So we have a supermarket
on the premises.
635
00:29:04,466 --> 00:29:06,366
You can decide
by yourself
636
00:29:06,366 --> 00:29:08,466
if you want
to go for a walk
637
00:29:08,466 --> 00:29:10,633
or if you want to become
a member of a club
638
00:29:10,633 --> 00:29:14,933
or you just want to visit
a concert in the theater.
639
00:29:14,933 --> 00:29:17,266
People who live here
need support,
640
00:29:17,266 --> 00:29:18,866
but they are still
part of society.
641
00:29:18,866 --> 00:29:21,333
This is a complete
humanization
642
00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:23,000
of the care,
what you see.
643
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,833
[Residents vocalizing]
644
00:29:24,833 --> 00:29:29,700
I think that we must
accept that growing old
645
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:33,666
is just part of
what life is
646
00:29:33,666 --> 00:29:36,766
and that we must accept
everything
647
00:29:36,766 --> 00:29:38,666
that comes with it.
648
00:29:38,666 --> 00:29:42,600
And how well-intended
the institutions we build
649
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,166
to keep people safe
650
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,833
actually take away
everything
651
00:29:46,833 --> 00:29:48,800
that you have
as a human being.
652
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,100
And I think that
if we are able
653
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,200
to think different
about that,
654
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,166
that's a good start.
655
00:29:56,333 --> 00:29:58,666
Wallach, voice-over: This unique
form of community and care
656
00:29:58,666 --> 00:30:00,833
has led to significant results,
657
00:30:00,833 --> 00:30:04,500
including greatly reducing
the dependency on medication.
658
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,466
That's a big deal.
659
00:30:06,466 --> 00:30:08,866
In a future where the number
of people with dementia
660
00:30:08,866 --> 00:30:13,633
is expected to double
by 2030 and triple by 2050,
661
00:30:13,633 --> 00:30:16,766
the work they're doing here asks
all kinds of questions about
662
00:30:16,766 --> 00:30:19,800
how we can adapt
our methods of care
663
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,433
and even extend beyond
just human care alone.
664
00:30:23,433 --> 00:30:26,366
As we train machines
to be more and more humanlike,
665
00:30:26,366 --> 00:30:29,600
as AI technologies
continue to accelerate,
666
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,500
what are the values
we are imbuing them with?
667
00:30:33,433 --> 00:30:38,266
Webb: In the 1800s, there was
a mathematician, Ada Lovelace,
668
00:30:38,266 --> 00:30:41,500
and in the footnotes of papers
that she was translating
669
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:43,666
about one of
the very first computers,
670
00:30:43,666 --> 00:30:45,933
she starts describing
a computer that
671
00:30:45,933 --> 00:30:49,833
someday may think
just like humans.
672
00:30:49,833 --> 00:30:53,000
This is really important,
because for hundreds of years,
673
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,100
we've been trying to figure out
how to replicate life,
674
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:58,866
how to replicate
the human experience.
675
00:30:58,866 --> 00:31:00,733
Narrator: The machine uses
676
00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:03,366
only two sounds
produced electrically.
677
00:31:03,366 --> 00:31:05,100
Say "She saw me."
678
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,400
Mechanical voice: She saw me.
679
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,266
Webb: Slowly over time...
680
00:31:09,266 --> 00:31:10,733
Computer: Hello. I am Macintosh.
681
00:31:10,733 --> 00:31:12,700
Webb: we've started to make
inroads
682
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:16,066
developing computers
that feel more human,
683
00:31:16,066 --> 00:31:18,766
that seem like
they might be thinking.
684
00:31:18,766 --> 00:31:20,000
[computer chimes]
685
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,500
If you're talking to a chatbot
686
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:25,233
and that chatbot appears
to exhibit emotion
687
00:31:25,233 --> 00:31:30,000
or appears to want to connect
with you on a deeper level,
688
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,566
would you say that
that chatbot is human?
689
00:31:34,566 --> 00:31:37,066
AI: Boy, that really
blows my digital mind.
690
00:31:37,066 --> 00:31:40,033
Now, most people would say no.
691
00:31:40,033 --> 00:31:43,566
They would describe it as
a really humanlike interaction,
692
00:31:43,566 --> 00:31:47,400
but we're still using
the word "human."
693
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,666
All of these different
philosophical questions,
694
00:31:50,666 --> 00:31:52,700
they actually matter a lot,
695
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:55,566
because these are the very
research ideas that are
696
00:31:55,566 --> 00:31:58,433
being pursued as we're
building out these technologies
697
00:31:58,433 --> 00:32:01,600
that eventually are gonna
impact all of our lives.
698
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:11,066
[music]
699
00:32:11,066 --> 00:32:13,066
Wallach, voice-over:
Someone who has been
700
00:32:13,066 --> 00:32:16,933
at the forefront of this work
is musician Grimes,
701
00:32:16,933 --> 00:32:18,500
and I wanted to get
her perspective
702
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:20,966
on where we are
in this evolution,
703
00:32:20,966 --> 00:32:23,300
the creative potential
she sees,
704
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,333
and the importance of hope
in what comes next.
705
00:32:27,833 --> 00:32:31,133
Wallach: As an artist,
what do you feel is, like,
706
00:32:31,133 --> 00:32:34,633
the moral imperative
of this moment in time?
707
00:32:34,633 --> 00:32:36,100
I did a poll recently
on Twitter
708
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:37,633
where I asked people, like,
709
00:32:37,633 --> 00:32:39,433
if they had any purpose
in their life...
710
00:32:39,433 --> 00:32:41,133
And, like, it was like,
711
00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:42,800
70% of people said
no or something.
712
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,466
Wow.
Like, if there's
713
00:32:44,466 --> 00:32:46,233
ever a moment to have
a feeling of purpose,
714
00:32:46,233 --> 00:32:47,800
I think it would be now,
715
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,833
because what we do
and the things we create
716
00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:55,633
over the next few decades
will probably shape, like,
717
00:32:55,633 --> 00:32:59,166
all minds going forward
for the rest of time.
718
00:32:59,166 --> 00:33:02,000
And so if there was ever
a time to have purpose,
719
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,366
I think it's really,
yeah, like, right now.
720
00:33:05,366 --> 00:33:08,466
How should artists, then,
be thinking about
721
00:33:08,466 --> 00:33:10,700
how they work
with technology,
722
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:14,366
and, really, in many ways,
specifically AI?
723
00:33:14,366 --> 00:33:16,700
I really think there
is actually, like,
724
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,666
a beautiful amount of
opportunity here right now.
725
00:33:19,666 --> 00:33:21,366
[Grimes vocalizing]
726
00:33:21,366 --> 00:33:23,000
Grimes, voice-over: When I
started making music,
727
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,533
there was sort of
728
00:33:24,533 --> 00:33:26,166
this revolution happening
in music production.
729
00:33:26,166 --> 00:33:27,966
More people were being
able to make music
730
00:33:27,966 --> 00:33:29,566
at home
on their computers.
731
00:33:29,566 --> 00:33:31,966
And I think there was
a massive democratization
732
00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:35,500
of who was allowed
to make music that, like,
733
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,200
I took huge advantage of,
that was
734
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,066
fully the byproduct
of technology.
735
00:33:40,066 --> 00:33:42,366
And I think this is about
to extend to all of art.
736
00:33:42,366 --> 00:33:44,166
You know, when I see some of
the new stuff coming with AI,
737
00:33:44,166 --> 00:33:46,033
like video to video
and text to video
738
00:33:46,033 --> 00:33:47,533
and all this stuff that,
739
00:33:47,533 --> 00:33:50,000
like, is about
to explode.
740
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,466
And I think it's
so beautiful that, like,
741
00:33:52,466 --> 00:33:55,533
when everyone
has the same tools
742
00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:57,966
that can make
professional quality stuff,
743
00:33:57,966 --> 00:34:00,233
then, like, you get to see
the actual talent,
744
00:34:00,233 --> 00:34:01,933
like, really rise
to the top.
745
00:34:01,933 --> 00:34:03,566
You've said
consciousness is sacred.
746
00:34:03,566 --> 00:34:04,600
Yeah.
747
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,766
Tell me more about that.
748
00:34:05,766 --> 00:34:07,266
I think
because we're all alive,
749
00:34:07,266 --> 00:34:08,900
we all, like,
take it for granted
750
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:10,933
that, like, I can think
751
00:34:10,933 --> 00:34:12,800
and I have agency
and I can feel.
752
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,800
You know, if we're really
alone in the universe,
753
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,733
which it seems like,
I think the thing
754
00:34:16,733 --> 00:34:18,600
that's happening here
right now,
755
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,266
like, this is, like,
literally God or something.
756
00:34:20,266 --> 00:34:21,633
This is, like,
757
00:34:21,633 --> 00:34:23,733
the universe waking up
and perceiving itself.
758
00:34:23,733 --> 00:34:26,700
I think the single
most important thing is
759
00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:29,766
to make sure that this
spark that exists
760
00:34:29,766 --> 00:34:33,066
here on planet Earth
gets to be elsewhere.
761
00:34:33,066 --> 00:34:35,100
And I don't even really
care if it's biological life
762
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,433
or digital life
or something like that.
763
00:34:37,433 --> 00:34:39,100
I--I'm really a proponent
of, like,
764
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:40,466
keeping the humans alive.
765
00:34:40,466 --> 00:34:42,766
But, like, if it's
silicon-based life
766
00:34:42,766 --> 00:34:46,200
that goes out there,
I think that's just as good.
767
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,633
I just--I think the universe
is empty and quiet,
768
00:34:50,633 --> 00:34:52,466
and it wants to be
woken up
769
00:34:52,466 --> 00:34:54,600
and filled
with beautiful things.
770
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,266
Wallach, voice-over: It makes me
excited to think that
771
00:34:59,266 --> 00:35:03,100
we really are on the threshold
of wild and wonderful new ideas
772
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,766
about who
and what we can become.
773
00:35:05,766 --> 00:35:07,933
But if we're gonna create
the futures we want to see
774
00:35:07,933 --> 00:35:10,166
for our kids and grandkids,
775
00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:12,833
new technologies
will only take us so far.
776
00:35:12,833 --> 00:35:15,666
How we choose to use them
matters more than ever.
777
00:35:15,666 --> 00:35:18,666
In Brooklyn,
a group of artists are using AI
778
00:35:18,666 --> 00:35:21,166
to create
an immersive-art experience
779
00:35:21,166 --> 00:35:23,933
aimed at examining our
relationship with these tools
780
00:35:23,933 --> 00:35:26,000
in fascinating new ways.
781
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,633
What we're seeing today
is a collected work of
782
00:35:29,633 --> 00:35:33,833
what Ouchhh collective calls
data generative painting.
783
00:35:33,833 --> 00:35:37,500
What that fundamentally means
is that they in their studio
784
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:40,833
took enormously
large data sets--
785
00:35:40,833 --> 00:35:43,833
millions of lines of text,
millions of paintings,
786
00:35:43,833 --> 00:35:46,133
petabytes and petabytes
of data--
787
00:35:46,133 --> 00:35:47,600
fed them into a computer,
788
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,366
and let the computer
seek out patterns within it.
789
00:35:50,366 --> 00:35:54,166
The computer
then generates new data.
790
00:35:54,166 --> 00:35:56,166
And then the folks
at Ouchhh collective
791
00:35:56,166 --> 00:35:58,033
feed that into software,
792
00:35:58,033 --> 00:36:00,566
and the software
puts it on the walls.
793
00:36:00,566 --> 00:36:04,200
Through these powerful
algorithms that they built,
794
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,700
they could take the human
experience in toto, right--
795
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:11,366
massive data sets--
and you could learn something.
796
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:15,066
Jacob Feldman: So this
is the server room.
797
00:36:15,066 --> 00:36:16,833
This is where
all the stuff lives
798
00:36:16,833 --> 00:36:19,066
that operates
all the stuff in there.
799
00:36:19,066 --> 00:36:23,900
So the EEG takes six different
types of brainwave data.
800
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,066
Each of those
different dimensions
801
00:36:26,066 --> 00:36:29,400
gets assigned
something to manipulate
802
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,166
within the visual palette,
right?
803
00:36:31,166 --> 00:36:33,733
So it could be that, you know,
the amplitude of the wave is
804
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:36,266
the thing that changes
the color frequency.
805
00:36:36,266 --> 00:36:40,233
All it takes is
a little bit of human input
806
00:36:40,233 --> 00:36:42,400
to say, "OK, we'll make
a scene with these shapes
807
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,900
or with this patterning."
808
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:45,666
But the possibilities
are endless.
809
00:36:45,666 --> 00:36:48,733
It's only a matter of sort of
the length of your creativity.
810
00:36:48,733 --> 00:37:21,633
♪
811
00:37:21,633 --> 00:37:23,266
Feldman: When we have
a large audience,
812
00:37:23,266 --> 00:37:25,066
we'll have the audience
wear heartbeat monitors
813
00:37:25,066 --> 00:37:26,633
on their wrists.
814
00:37:26,633 --> 00:37:28,566
Those get fed
into the computer,
815
00:37:28,566 --> 00:37:32,133
and those start to manipulate
the visuals as well.
816
00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:35,600
If the goal is great
collective experience,
817
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,100
which I would hope
immersive art should be,
818
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:40,133
we get ever closer to it
819
00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:45,333
when we incorporate audience
into performance as well.
820
00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:47,966
What we've really
been able to do is
821
00:37:47,966 --> 00:37:52,300
tap into the feedback loop
of the human soul.
822
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:55,666
That musician is having
an emotional response
823
00:37:55,666 --> 00:37:57,566
to whatever they're doing
in the moment.
824
00:37:57,566 --> 00:37:59,300
Whether that's
the music itself,
825
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:01,833
whether that's the audience's
reaction to the music,
826
00:38:01,833 --> 00:38:03,866
whether it's
the visuals on the wall,
827
00:38:03,866 --> 00:38:06,333
they're having
an emotional reaction.
828
00:38:10,466 --> 00:38:12,900
Wallach, voice-over: It's
a profound feeling to experience
829
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,033
both humans and machines
collaborating in real time.
830
00:38:16,033 --> 00:38:18,233
This is just the beginning.
831
00:38:18,233 --> 00:38:20,533
And as these tools
continue to evolve,
832
00:38:20,533 --> 00:38:23,700
expanding our ability
to imagine and create,
833
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,066
what will we choose
to use them for?
834
00:38:26,066 --> 00:38:28,966
What new possibilities
will we unlock?
835
00:38:28,966 --> 00:38:31,666
And what kind of
human and nonhuman potential
836
00:38:31,666 --> 00:38:34,466
is waiting to be unleashed?
837
00:38:37,233 --> 00:38:40,566
But as limitless as these
new tools are proving to be,
838
00:38:40,566 --> 00:38:42,700
we are still finite beings.
839
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:45,200
And one of the things
that holds us back
840
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,700
from imagining
creating better futures
841
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:51,633
is we often work so hard
to deny our own mortality.
842
00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:54,666
But what would change
and what could be possible
843
00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:57,200
if we didn't see death
as the end?
844
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,033
How much bigger
could our imagination
845
00:38:59,033 --> 00:39:00,733
about the future become
846
00:39:00,733 --> 00:39:02,900
if we were comfortable
thinking further forward
847
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:05,933
than our own single lifetime?
848
00:39:05,933 --> 00:39:08,766
I came to Arizona
to meet Alua Arthur,
849
00:39:08,766 --> 00:39:10,933
someone who has spent her life
helping people
850
00:39:10,933 --> 00:39:13,433
face death
with grace and dignity.
851
00:39:13,433 --> 00:39:15,933
She is what's called
a death doula,
852
00:39:15,933 --> 00:39:17,933
and in addition to working
with her own patients,
853
00:39:17,933 --> 00:39:20,066
this weekend,
she was here to train others,
854
00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:24,200
who are embarking on this unique
form of service themselves.
855
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,133
Life is an utter gift.
856
00:39:26,133 --> 00:39:30,066
To watch life leave a body,
857
00:39:30,066 --> 00:39:31,900
the utter stillness
that happens
858
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,100
after a death has occurred,
859
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:38,266
is a really poignant
reminder
860
00:39:38,266 --> 00:39:40,600
that life hangs
on the breath.
861
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,933
You know, that it's here
one minute and gone the next.
862
00:39:42,933 --> 00:39:45,766
And so by virtue
of continuing to have it,
863
00:39:45,766 --> 00:39:48,066
I am still partaking
in this tremendous gift
864
00:39:48,066 --> 00:39:49,733
that I've been given--
865
00:39:49,733 --> 00:39:51,533
that I'm still alive,
866
00:39:51,533 --> 00:39:54,266
that I still get
to talk to people
867
00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:56,933
and feel cold on my skin
and eat delicious food
868
00:39:56,933 --> 00:39:59,233
and hug and laugh and dance
869
00:39:59,233 --> 00:40:01,766
and just be here
while I'm here.
870
00:40:01,766 --> 00:40:06,533
I've also learned that
humans are extraordinary.
871
00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:08,266
We're such a miracle.
872
00:40:08,266 --> 00:40:09,966
It takes so many
katrillion of functions
873
00:40:09,966 --> 00:40:11,600
just to keep our bodies going.
874
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,733
And so when the body can no
longer and it's time to die,
875
00:40:14,733 --> 00:40:17,600
that's also really
awe-inspiring,
876
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,566
that it carries on for so long,
and then when it can't,
877
00:40:20,566 --> 00:40:22,066
we have no choice
878
00:40:22,066 --> 00:40:23,766
but to surrender to
the fact that it can't.
879
00:40:23,766 --> 00:40:26,600
What is it that,
in your experience,
880
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,933
leads to the level
of kind of death anxiety
881
00:40:29,933 --> 00:40:32,766
or the fear of death
in our society right now?
882
00:40:32,766 --> 00:40:35,966
At its root, I think, is
the very fragile human ego
883
00:40:35,966 --> 00:40:37,766
that thinks of itself
884
00:40:37,766 --> 00:40:39,933
as the main character
in the story
885
00:40:39,933 --> 00:40:43,766
and is so afraid
of it not existing anymore,
886
00:40:43,766 --> 00:40:45,900
and so we shun it.
887
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:48,933
We recoil
against that idea.
888
00:40:48,933 --> 00:40:51,566
We want to stay alive.
We want to be around.
889
00:40:51,566 --> 00:40:53,600
We want to do all the things
because we are
890
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,566
so attached to who we are
and our being alive.
891
00:40:57,566 --> 00:41:00,300
We're afraid of it.
It's a big unknown also.
892
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:02,333
Like, nobody knows
what happens after we die,
893
00:41:02,333 --> 00:41:04,166
and that makes us
really uncomfortable.
894
00:41:04,166 --> 00:41:06,166
We feel powerless
in the face of the unknown.
895
00:41:06,166 --> 00:41:08,433
We also feel powerless
against death itself,
896
00:41:08,433 --> 00:41:11,200
and that makes us want
to avoid it at all costs.
897
00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:19,333
Wallach, voice-over:
Rather than avoiding it,
898
00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:23,366
Alua has spent years now
helping those who are dying
899
00:41:23,366 --> 00:41:26,133
as well as the loved ones
they are leaving behind.
900
00:41:26,133 --> 00:41:29,000
She's come to believe
that a relationship to death
901
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,633
is directly connected to
our relationship to the future
902
00:41:31,633 --> 00:41:33,933
and to life itself.
903
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:40,433
[Indistinct conversations]
904
00:41:40,433 --> 00:41:42,833
Alua Arthur: Welcome.
905
00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:45,833
This evening, we're going
to do a death meditation.
906
00:41:45,833 --> 00:41:47,700
This next time
that we have together
907
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,833
is about you and your death,
908
00:41:49,833 --> 00:41:51,333
you with you--
909
00:41:51,333 --> 00:41:53,866
one on one, one on one--
you and your body
910
00:41:53,866 --> 00:41:56,266
and the journey that you're
gonna go on with your own body.
911
00:41:56,266 --> 00:41:57,966
All right?
912
00:41:57,966 --> 00:42:01,400
So get comfortable,
as much as possible.
913
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,933
[clears throat]
914
00:42:03,933 --> 00:42:05,666
Get cozy.
915
00:42:09,533 --> 00:42:13,400
Death is inevitable.
916
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,566
All of us will die
sooner or later.
917
00:42:17,566 --> 00:42:19,566
In about a hundred years,
918
00:42:19,566 --> 00:42:22,900
all the humans currently
on the planet will be gone,
919
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:26,033
except for the few
who are just being born
920
00:42:26,033 --> 00:42:29,366
and will live long lifespans.
921
00:42:29,366 --> 00:42:31,066
No one has escaped death,
922
00:42:31,066 --> 00:42:35,866
not even the great masters
and teachers of our time.
923
00:42:35,866 --> 00:42:41,000
Every person and every creature
on the planet will die.
924
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,733
When it's time to actually die,
925
00:42:43,733 --> 00:42:48,266
it will be in an ordinary moment
just like this one.
926
00:42:48,266 --> 00:42:52,033
Your breathing
is getting shallower.
927
00:42:52,033 --> 00:42:54,200
Your energy is draining.
928
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,900
Your body temperature
begins to drop.
929
00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:02,133
Your connection to this earth
beneath you is slipping.
930
00:43:02,133 --> 00:43:06,333
You are aware now
that you are dying.
931
00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,066
Your body is
no longer relevant.
932
00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:12,966
Your material possessions
cannot help.
933
00:43:12,966 --> 00:43:15,633
Your loved ones
cannot save you.
934
00:43:15,633 --> 00:43:18,500
You will speak no more words.
935
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:23,266
You begin to experience
a sense of expanding,
936
00:43:23,266 --> 00:43:28,266
connecting with all that ever
was and all that ever will be.
937
00:43:28,266 --> 00:43:32,333
See yourself as a candle,
938
00:43:32,333 --> 00:43:34,900
a small flickering flame.
939
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:37,000
And with a gust of wind,
940
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,833
see that flame
now extinguished.
941
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,633
Now take
another deep breath in.
942
00:43:45,633 --> 00:43:46,666
[inhales]
943
00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,233
Bring in strong, holding it,
944
00:43:49,233 --> 00:43:52,466
and release.
[exhales]
945
00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:57,600
You are very much alive.
946
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,466
Bring awareness to your body.
947
00:43:59,466 --> 00:44:01,400
Wiggle your toes.
948
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,533
Rotate your feet.
949
00:44:03,533 --> 00:44:06,300
Life forces are swirling
inside of you.
950
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,666
Everything is functioning.
951
00:44:08,666 --> 00:44:10,700
You just did
a death meditation,
952
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:13,200
and I'm very proud of you.
953
00:44:14,733 --> 00:44:16,866
Wallach, voice-over: I will
never, ever forget the feeling
954
00:44:16,866 --> 00:44:19,800
of being in the room
there that night.
955
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,566
It's counterintuitive,
but facing our own mortality
956
00:44:23,566 --> 00:44:25,833
holds a key
to seeing ourselves
957
00:44:25,833 --> 00:44:28,033
as just a part of
the larger human story,
958
00:44:28,033 --> 00:44:32,166
one piece of the future
that we can both build
959
00:44:32,166 --> 00:44:34,800
and soon leave behind.
960
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,900
What does it mean
to live like we're dying?
961
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:42,900
It means to live presently.
962
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:45,700
It means to be with
where I am today,
963
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:48,300
recognizing that everything
I have in this moment,
964
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:50,800
what I've done so far,
what I've given so far,
965
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,866
who I've been so far
has been enough,
966
00:44:53,866 --> 00:44:55,900
and that, if tomorrow is it,
967
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:58,133
I can go satisfied.
968
00:45:01,433 --> 00:45:06,633
Rushkoff: I think we
have to change the register
969
00:45:06,633 --> 00:45:11,533
at which human activity
is taking place, right?
970
00:45:11,533 --> 00:45:14,366
Where right now,
we're really stuck
971
00:45:14,366 --> 00:45:17,033
in an industrial register,
972
00:45:17,033 --> 00:45:21,600
where we understand ourselves
in terms of our utility value,
973
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,100
right?
974
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:25,600
How much work can I get done?
How valuable am I?
975
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,733
How much money can I make?
There's always a metric.
976
00:45:27,733 --> 00:45:29,733
How many likes did I get?
How many of this?
977
00:45:29,733 --> 00:45:31,566
How many followers do I have?
978
00:45:31,566 --> 00:45:34,600
It's very utilitarian.
979
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,933
I mean, I was raised
on "Mr. Rogers," right?
980
00:45:36,933 --> 00:45:39,533
And Mr. Rogers, at the end
of every show, would say...
981
00:45:39,533 --> 00:45:43,933
I like you
exactly as you are.
982
00:45:43,933 --> 00:45:45,600
Rushkoff: I took him seriously.
983
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,700
I took that to mean
I am OK just the way I am.
984
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:55,066
I don't need to do anything
to justify my existence.
985
00:45:56,866 --> 00:46:01,133
The positive human future
involves
986
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:05,366
us recognizing and retrieving
987
00:46:05,366 --> 00:46:08,800
what matters
about our existence.
988
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:16,333
Wallach: So if you could
give yourself some advice,
989
00:46:16,333 --> 00:46:19,966
you know, talk to yourself
when you were in your 20s,
990
00:46:19,966 --> 00:46:23,300
what would you say
to your 20-something self,
991
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:25,166
knowing what you know now?
992
00:46:25,166 --> 00:46:26,533
I would tell myself
993
00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:28,533
"Everything's
going to be OK,"
994
00:46:28,533 --> 00:46:31,466
because I worried
so much in my youth,
995
00:46:31,466 --> 00:46:34,000
in my 20s, my 30s,
also as a single mom,
996
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,666
and a lot of
different things,
997
00:46:35,666 --> 00:46:37,433
but it was very difficult,
998
00:46:37,433 --> 00:46:39,166
and I worried
about everything.
999
00:46:39,166 --> 00:46:41,633
Instead of living
for the days,
1000
00:46:41,633 --> 00:46:43,366
I was surviving
through the days.
1001
00:46:43,366 --> 00:46:46,500
I would tell myself,
"You did good, girl."
1002
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:47,833
[laughter]
1003
00:46:47,833 --> 00:46:49,500
You got--you got
to this point.
1004
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:50,766
You got it.
Yeah.
1005
00:46:50,766 --> 00:46:52,333
I would tell
1006
00:46:52,333 --> 00:46:55,466
my 20-something-year-old self
that there is time.
1007
00:46:55,466 --> 00:46:57,600
"Experience life,
1008
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,533
"and don't be
in such a hurry to be put
1009
00:47:00,533 --> 00:47:05,833
into that task-oriented,
day-to-day existence."
1010
00:47:05,833 --> 00:47:08,500
I would tell myself
that I'm not invincible
1011
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:10,233
and I'm not exempt.
1012
00:47:10,233 --> 00:47:13,366
"You're gonna get through this,
and you're gonna be OK,
1013
00:47:13,366 --> 00:47:16,900
and, you know, it's gonna be
all right down the road."
1014
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:19,566
I would tell myself,
"You are enough.
1015
00:47:19,566 --> 00:47:21,266
"You are wonderful.
1016
00:47:21,266 --> 00:47:22,933
You are precious."
1017
00:47:22,933 --> 00:47:24,533
"Be patient."
1018
00:47:24,533 --> 00:47:26,666
I'd go, "You will learn
everything you need
1019
00:47:26,666 --> 00:47:29,066
to get to the destination
you want."
1020
00:47:29,066 --> 00:47:33,000
I would say, "Stop
and smell the flowers.
1021
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,833
"Go visit
your grandparents.
1022
00:47:34,833 --> 00:47:36,600
Listen to their stories."
1023
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,600
You know, go pay those ones
respect and time,
1024
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,400
'cause you don't have them
anymore now,
1025
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,066
and it would have
been nice to have
1026
00:47:44,066 --> 00:47:46,666
a little more time
spent with them.
1027
00:47:46,666 --> 00:47:49,766
[birds chirping]
1028
00:47:57,766 --> 00:47:59,900
Wallach, voice-over:
You know, on the one hand,
1029
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:03,800
visiting your parents'
gravesite is really intense,
1030
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,633
because it's, like,
where they are,
1031
00:48:05,633 --> 00:48:07,633
but it's also not
where they are, right?
1032
00:48:07,633 --> 00:48:09,500
I was thinking this earlier.
1033
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,333
Like, when I tell,
like, an off-color joke,
1034
00:48:11,333 --> 00:48:13,400
that's where my dad is.
1035
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,900
Or when I see, like,
1036
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:17,133
47 different colors
in a sunset,
1037
00:48:17,133 --> 00:48:19,066
that's where my mom is.
1038
00:48:19,066 --> 00:48:24,133
So on the one hand, it feels
like this is the place,
1039
00:48:24,133 --> 00:48:26,633
but then, like,
the whole planet feels like
1040
00:48:26,633 --> 00:48:28,933
the place when certain things
happen.
1041
00:48:30,166 --> 00:48:32,766
You know, I was 18 years old
when my father passed away.
1042
00:48:32,766 --> 00:48:38,066
But the love was
very thick in the home.
1043
00:48:38,066 --> 00:48:42,600
I don't see such
a stark line between, like,
1044
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,600
his life and my life.
1045
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,300
Like, different biologies,
different names.
1046
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:50,966
But there's a kind of--
1047
00:48:50,966 --> 00:48:54,300
there's a thread,
both with my father
1048
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:56,666
and my mother,
that just feels like it
1049
00:48:56,666 --> 00:49:00,066
is just going through me
and going into the kids.
1050
00:49:00,066 --> 00:49:02,366
And so whereas
I feel like, yes,
1051
00:49:02,366 --> 00:49:08,333
there are different bodies,
that thread, whatever that is,
1052
00:49:08,333 --> 00:49:11,300
feels very deep
and continuous.
1053
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:15,566
[son giggling]
1054
00:49:15,566 --> 00:49:17,833
The future is not
set in stone,
1055
00:49:17,833 --> 00:49:20,566
and I don't believe in destiny.
1056
00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:25,533
I know that at any moment,
we can change course.
1057
00:49:25,533 --> 00:49:29,200
We just have to make a decision
that we're gonna do that,
1058
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,666
which means that
we have agency.
1059
00:49:31,666 --> 00:49:34,800
We have the ability to create
a future that we want.
1060
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,300
I will be honest. Um, I--
1061
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,133
you know, I am seeing
1062
00:49:40,133 --> 00:49:44,233
some pretty, pretty dark things
on the horizon.
1063
00:49:44,233 --> 00:49:46,700
There's no turning
these things off,
1064
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:50,800
but we can forge a path forward.
1065
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,066
Brown: Even though I read
the paper, like many people do,
1066
00:49:54,066 --> 00:49:57,866
and see so many challenges
that we have in cities,
1067
00:49:57,866 --> 00:50:01,200
counties, our country,
dysfunction, you know,
1068
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,566
what motivates me is that
I know that I'm helping
1069
00:50:04,566 --> 00:50:07,566
to develop young people
into making the future
1070
00:50:07,566 --> 00:50:09,300
a heck of a lot brighter
1071
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,300
than sometimes the things
I read in the paper.
1072
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:14,333
Grimes: It's the greatest luxury
in the world
1073
00:50:14,333 --> 00:50:17,700
to be able to intelligently
design the future.
1074
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:20,000
Like, this is something
that is new.
1075
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,700
This is something that is, like,
1076
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:23,733
really just, like,
a product of modernity.
1077
00:50:23,733 --> 00:50:26,666
And I think we should definitely
take that opportunity.
1078
00:50:26,666 --> 00:50:29,366
A lot of what we need
to do right now is
1079
00:50:29,366 --> 00:50:32,066
actually evolve
our tools to better fit
1080
00:50:32,066 --> 00:50:35,366
how our minds work with
the technology that we have.
1081
00:50:35,366 --> 00:50:39,500
Creativity is the fuel
for all of this.
1082
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:42,133
Rushkoff: There should be
a place for humans,
1083
00:50:42,133 --> 00:50:45,833
for human life
in the digital future.
1084
00:50:45,833 --> 00:50:49,500
Not revolution but renaissance,
1085
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:52,666
the rebirth of old ideas
in a new context.
1086
00:50:52,666 --> 00:50:56,966
Then we can begin
to live sustainably
1087
00:50:56,966 --> 00:50:59,500
as a form of human flourishing
1088
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:04,866
rather than sustainably
as some negation of human need.
1089
00:51:05,933 --> 00:51:10,866
Riess: The Dalai Lama said
that love and compassion
1090
00:51:10,866 --> 00:51:14,100
are necessities, not luxuries
1091
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:18,433
and without them,
humanity will not survive.
1092
00:51:18,433 --> 00:51:21,133
Rev. Angel Williams:
I think the primary story is
1093
00:51:21,133 --> 00:51:22,766
about our connection
1094
00:51:22,766 --> 00:51:25,933
rather than the story
about our disconnect.
1095
00:51:25,933 --> 00:51:28,766
It is true that we are
suffering from disconnect.
1096
00:51:28,766 --> 00:51:30,766
But understanding
the reason that we
1097
00:51:30,766 --> 00:51:32,900
feel so much pain from it
is because we have
1098
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:35,200
a yearning to be connected.
1099
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,233
Alua Arthur: I think part
of the magic of being human
1100
00:51:37,233 --> 00:51:41,133
is that the mundane is
where all the juice is.
1101
00:51:41,133 --> 00:51:45,100
When I know that this time
that I have here is finite,
1102
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:49,033
then every breath matters more,
1103
00:51:49,033 --> 00:51:50,966
every birthday matters more,
1104
00:51:50,966 --> 00:51:52,733
every hug matters more.
1105
00:51:52,733 --> 00:51:55,266
Wallach: We're at
this inflection point
1106
00:51:55,266 --> 00:51:57,366
for Homo sapiens,
1107
00:51:57,366 --> 00:52:00,300
and a lot of folks
are basically focusing on
1108
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:04,300
the external future's
environment.
1109
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,166
Super important, obviously--
artificial intelligence,
1110
00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:10,500
bioengineering,
climate change, inequality.
1111
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:15,333
A host of issues, conundrums,
problems, and opportunities
1112
00:52:15,333 --> 00:52:17,933
that manifest
in the external reality,
1113
00:52:17,933 --> 00:52:20,166
the external world around us.
1114
00:52:20,166 --> 00:52:21,800
But at the same time,
1115
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,533
we have to focus
on internal futures.
1116
00:52:25,533 --> 00:52:28,100
How do we evolve the internal
1117
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:30,533
as much as we evolve
the external?
1118
00:52:30,533 --> 00:52:31,800
[music]
1119
00:52:32,366 --> 00:53:00,933
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