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- Tonight on
"History's Greatest Mysteries":
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- Late this afternoon,
a bulletin from New Mexico
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suggested that one
of the strange discs
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had been found and inspected.
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Fishburne: In 1947,
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something crashed
in the desert
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in the American Southwest.
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Whatever the object was,
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it has created shockwaves
still felt today.
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I'm Laurence Fishburne.
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On tonight's mystery:
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what crashed
in Roswell, New Mexico?
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Was it a flying saucer,
as headlines first announced,
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or a secret military aircraft?
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A new investigation
seeks answers.
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- This might be that piece
of the puzzle.
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Fishburne: An ex-CIA officer
named Ben Smith
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has obtained a cryptic journal.
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Fishburne: It was found
among the papers
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of Major Jesse Marcel,
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the first U.S. Army officer
to investigate the wreckage.
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- He always said that he was
sworn to secrecy.
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Fishburne: Does it contain
coded clues
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of what Marcel really saw?
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- It was not anything
from this Earth.
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Fishburne: What about stories
of alleged alien bodies
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in the wreckage?
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- She said there were
little people,
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and there was some dead
and some alive.
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Fishburne: Did the U.S.
government cover up the truth,
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and does it still possess
the wreckage of a UFO?
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- I do know one name of a man
who had pieces of debris.
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Fishburne: The truth behind
Roswell
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according to those
who were there.
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[dramatic music]
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[foreboding music]
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A former CIA operative,
investigator, and author,
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Ben Smith has been intrigued
by Roswell and UFOs for years.
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- Investigating was at
the core of my work at CIA.
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I went under deep cover,
lived a double life,
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to collect intel
on terrorist networks,
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foreign spy activities,
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even weapons
of mass destruction.
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Fishburne: Smith says
this may be
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his most challenging mission:
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trying to figure out the truth
about what really crashed
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near Roswell, New Mexico,
in 1947.
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- So this is it, huh?
- This is it.
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Ground Zero.
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Fishburne: Don Schmitt
has written seven best-sellers
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about Roswell and interviewed
more people connected
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to the incident
than anyone alive.
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- Taking a look at the impact
site now of that crash in '47.
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I was a special investigator
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for the late
Dr. J. Allen Hynek,
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who was consultant to the
Air Force Project Blue Book.
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I was a skeptic,
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and the one case that I wanted
to investigate was Roswell,
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and for having talked
to over 600 witnesses
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either directly
or indirectly involved,
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I am 99% convinced
that what indeed crashed here
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back in 1947 was a craft
of unknown origin
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not manufactured
on this planet.
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Fishburne: Ben Smith
asked Schmitt to show him
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the site where
the crash debris was found.
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- This is it, Ben,
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what we consider
the most significant location,
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as far as in the entire
history of the UFO phenomenon.
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It's total isolation.
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We could just as well be on
the dark side of the moon.
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- You know, my background
is in the CIA,
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and I have no agenda
except to explore this mystery,
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bring some clarity
to some unanswered questions.
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It's thrilling
to finally be out here
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after having read
so much about it,
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a lot of your work.
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- This is where it all began,
back in 1947.
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Fishburne: In the 1940s,
New Mexico was home to some
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of America's most sensitive
military installations,
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including where the atomic
bomb was developed.
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By the summer of 1947,
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the U.S. was worried
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that the Soviets were building
their own atomic bomb,
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and Americans were worried
about something else:
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hundreds of reports of UFOs.
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- What is the flying saucer?
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What's behind
the daily reports
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of aerial phenomena
in the nation's press?
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- These supposed sightings
were reported
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in a number of newspapers
throughout the United States,
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and they actually started
to grow in number
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in kind of a mass hysteria.
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- Much of the activity seemed
to be focused in New Mexico,
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the hotbed of military activity
at that time.
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New Mexico became the focus.
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Not only the Soviet Union,
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but also the UFO phenomenon,
as though someone else
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was very interested
in our military potential.
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[booming]
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Fishburne: By late June 1947,
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more than a week
before the Roswell crash,
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residents in the southern part
of the state were spooked
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by nearly 70 sightings
of UFOs.
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- But it was just going
in a northerly motion
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in a pretty rapid speed,
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but nothing like a falling star
or a meteorite.
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So bright, like that,
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you couldn't look directly
at it very long at a time,
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and you had to look
to the side of it,
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just like looking into
a bright sun.
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Fishburne: Then, on
the morning of July 6, 1947,
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something even stranger
occurred.
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Roswell sheriff called
the nearby Army Air Field
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to say that a sheep rancher
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had come in with pieces
of debris
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that he believed came
from a crashed flying saucer.
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The base's commander
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was Colonel
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a highly decorated
military pilot
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who, in 1945, had supervised
the mission of the Enola Gay,
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the bomber
that destroyed Hiroshima.
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By 1947, the base
was still home to the 509th,
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the world's only
nuclear-equipped
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bomber squadron.
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- Roswell was the headquarters
of the elite military
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at that time.
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The base was always
on full alert,
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because they had
the atomic bomb.
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Fishburne: In response
to the call from the sheriff,
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Colonel Blanchard
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dispatched the base's
intelligence officer,
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Major Jesse Marcel.
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With him was Sheridan Cavitt,
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an agent for Army
counterintelligence.
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According to
Don Schmitt's research,
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this is what happened next.
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- Monday morning, July 7th,
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Jesse Marcel
and Sheridan Cavitt
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arrive at the debris field
with the rancher.
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Major Jesse Marcel said
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the first thing
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was the massive
amount of debris.
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As he would say,
"There was just so much of it."
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Covered an area
almost a mile long.
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- Interviewed later about what
he saw in the debris field,
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Marcel claimed it was 3/4
of a mile long,
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a couple of hundred feet wide.
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- At that point, that material
has been out there for days,
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and no one else
is looking for it,
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which would clearly suggest
it's not ours,
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and if it's not ours,
then whose is it?
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- So Marcel and Cavitt spend
the better part of the day
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out there looking
at this thing
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and trying
to determine what it was.
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Fishburne: Marcel picked up
different pieces of the debris
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and put them in boxes
in the trunk of his car.
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- Cavitt would stay behind
and concentrate more
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on the wreckage
in a general area.
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Marcel would make the drive
back to Roswell.
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Fishburne: What Jesse did
next, according to his family,
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was an uncharacteristic breach
of military protocol.
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- He knew the material would
be classified Top Secret
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the moment it would cross
the front gate
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at the Roswell Army Air Field.
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It was important enough,
strange enough,
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unusual enough
that Major Marcel
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would stop at his home
on the way back to the base.
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- He came back real late
one night--
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about 2:00 in the morning,
as I recall--very excited,
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because he found parts
of a UFO--or a flying saucer
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at that time--
and he wanted me to see it.
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- Marcel would describe
paper-thin,
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metal-like material,
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practically weightless
in your hands,
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that you couldn't cut,
you couldn't burn.
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There was silken strands of
material that Marcel described
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that a lighter
could be held to one end
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and the light would emit
out the opposing end.
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Well, they're describing
fiber optics in 1947,
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yet fiber optics
didn't come into development
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until around 1970,
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and then the I-beam structures.
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- Most unusual part
of the debris
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that I saw
was the I-beam fragments.
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Fishburne: Jesse Marcel, Jr.
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spent a lifetime thinking
about the strange materials
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his father brought home
and let him handle.
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- They were, uh, very light,
very strong,
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and they had some writing
on the inside surface of this,
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and that was the thing
that really set this apart
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from anything
I had ever seen before.
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[suspenseful music]
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- I am on my way to meet
with the Marcel family,
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the grandchildren
of the first American official
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on the scene at Roswell
in 1947.
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Fishburne: Having learned
of Ben Smith's investigation,
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the Marcel family is eager
to talk with him.
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They believe
they have something
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he will certainly want to see.
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- The Roswell incident could
potentially be
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the greatest event
in the history of humankind.
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You know, we have, uh,
how many--300 trillion stars
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and 200 billion galaxies
and, uh--
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scattered across, like,
15 billion light years.
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And to think that
we're all alone
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in all of that space
is pretty sad.
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So I personally want to know,
is there anybody out there,
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and have they been here?
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The Roswell incident
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has got the potential
for physical evidence
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and, uh, you know,
a host of reliable witnesses
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who all describe something
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the world has never
seen before.
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There's no way for me to know
but to research,
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to start at the bottom
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and work my way through
the facts.
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The Marcel family has a journal
belonging to their grandfather.
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This journal could change
the entire story
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about what happened in Roswell.
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[doorbell rings]
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- Hi.
- Hey.
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- Jesse Marcel.
- Jesse, pleasure to meet you.
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Ben.
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- Ben.
- Yeah.
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- Nice to finally meet you.
Come on in.
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My brother and sister
are here as well.
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I first saw the journal
going through
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some military documents
of my grandfather,
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and it was just in
with the military documents.
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Hers the diary.
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- Oh, okay.
Wow.
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- He put it in a cedar chest,
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and it was in there
till the day he died.
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There's something very
important about that journal.
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- This is pretty wild.
- Right?
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Fishburne: Until now,
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no one outside
the Marcel family
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has ever seen this journal.
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Does it contain fresh details
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about what really happened
in Roswell?
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Coming up...
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will local residents
open up about memories
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they've been afraid
to share for decades?
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- It was just a flash.
It was there and it was gone.
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Fishburne: Did this man's
father
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hide UFO debris
on his property?
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- Well, something happened,
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'cause they spent
a lot of money
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hiding what really did happen.
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Fishburne: Magnetic readings
are off the charts.
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- It's enough metal to
basically max out the sensor.
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Fishburne: Could it be
something from another world?
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- I want to throw everything
we got now at that new site.
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[motors revving]
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[dramatic music]
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- January 4th, 1946 to 1948.
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See, that would have been
a year--almost a year after.
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- About a year after August--
almost exactly a year.
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Fishburne: Ben Smith's
investigation
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of the Roswell incident
has taken him to Spokane,
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Washington, to meet the
grandchildren of Jesse Marcel,
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who believe they have
a crucial piece of evidence.
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- Boy, this really does
run the gamut then.
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- Right.
- It starts before Roswell
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and ends about a year
afterwards.
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- Right.
- Yep.
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Fishburne: After his death,
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Marcel's family
found a journal
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hidden with his
military records
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that he had never shared
with anyone.
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- There's something very
important about that journal.
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Fishburne: There are entries
dated from around
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the time of Roswell,
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but the notations
are strange and confusing.
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Could they be coded clues
to what Marcel really saw?
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- Why was he writing
movie quotes?
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Or songs?
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- How into pop culture
and movie
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and books was your grandfather?
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- We never talked about that
with our grandfather.
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- No.
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- You know, it could also
be something
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like a mnemonic device,
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where you memorize
something totally different
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from the subject matter so that
it prompts your recall later.
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Fishburne: Ben wonders
if their grandfather,
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a seasoned
intelligence officer,
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was trying to hide information
because he'd been warned
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never to reveal the truth
about the UFO.
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[dramatic music]
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- Since he worked
in intelligence,
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you're not gonna state out,
"Oh, wow, I just found a UFO."
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You know, you're not gonna
write it out like that.
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- Right.
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- You're gonna be kind
of cryptic about it,
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because you don't
want anybody else
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to maybe see
what you're writing.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- At one point the military
came back and said,
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"Yeah, you've got to stop
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making this stuff up
about the--the UFO crash,"
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and he grabbed his medals
and threw them away.
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Says he was done.
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He was done,
and he--he was very upset.
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[dramatic music]
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Fishburne: Jesse Marcel
was born in 1907
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in the bayou country
of southern Louisiana.
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His childhood fascination
with maps would lead to a job
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with Shell Oil where he worked
with aerial photographs.
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This combination of skills
made him an obvious candidate
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for Air Force intelligence
school after America
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went to war in 1942.
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Lieutenant Marcel's job,
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mapping targets for bomber
squadrons in the Pacific,
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earned him two Air Medals
and a Bronze Star.
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When World War II ended,
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Marcel, with a young family
to support,
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decided to stay
in the military,
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receiving a plum assignment
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with the Army Air Force's
most elite unit,
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the 509th Bomber Squadron
based in Roswell.
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- He always said that he
was sworn to secrecy,
368
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so he never shared everything
that had happened out there.
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- But whatever he saw
was so significant,
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he was willing to take
a chance
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with his entire
military career
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to show his son
and his wife this stuff.
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Fishburne: The Marcels say
that after stopping at home
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to show the debris
to his wife and son,
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Jesse arrived
at the Roswell Army Air Field
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for the regular
morning officer's meeting.
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He presented
this strange debris
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he'd collected to the base's
commanding officer,
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Colonel William H. Blanchard.
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Blanchard ordered
his public affairs officer,
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First Lieutenant Walter Haut,
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to issue an immediate
press release.
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- I was introduced
by Colonel Blanchard
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to put out a press release
which, in effect, stated
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that we had in our possession
a flying saucer.
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- As soon as that hit
the Roswell Daily Record,
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was broadcast by
the local radio station,
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it went--they didn't use
that term back then,
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but it went viral across
the whole globe.
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[keyboard clacking]
[beeping]
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- Late this afternoon,
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a bulletin from New Mexico
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suggested that the widely
publicized mystery
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of the flying saucers
may soon be solved.
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Army Air Force officers
reported
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that one of the strange discs
had been found
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and inspected
sometime last week.
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Fishburne: As news
that a flying saucer
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had been discovered
spread around the world,
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the Army chain of command
took control.
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Millions of Americans believe
that what happened next,
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the effort to conceal
the UFO crash,
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is one of the greatest
cover-ups in U.S. history.
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- Colonel Blanchard ordered
Major Marcel
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to fly to Carswell Army Air
Field in Fort Worth, Texas,
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to present the material to
Brigadier General Roger Ramey,
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head of the Eighth Air Force,
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commanding officer
over the 590th Bomb Group.
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Fishburne: Marcel thought
he was flying to Fort Worth
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with pieces
of flying saucer debris.
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- Major Marcel would arrive
at Fort Worth
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approximately
4:00 that afternoon,
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and he presented the material.
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Ramey took Marcel
to an adjoining map room.
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When Marcel would return
with the general,
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back to his office,
the real material was gone.
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In its place
was a weather balloon.
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[flash bulb crackles]
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Fishburne: The Army called
a hasty press conference.
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It's at the moment,
according to Schmitt,
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that the alleged
cover-up begins.
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[camera shutter clicks]
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- "Ladies and gentlemen,
mystery solved.
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"It's just a weather
balloon device.
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Nothing to worry about,"
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and the press accepted it.
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All the personnel at the base
were ordered
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never to bring it up again,
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never to talk about
what had transpired,
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and they got away with it.
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Fishburne: 31 years later,
however,
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the man at the center
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of the Roswell incident
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from the very beginning
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came forward with what he said
was the real story.
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- The following morning
we went out to the site
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where the crash was,
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and what I saw,
I couldn't believe.
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- Marcel says in interviews,
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"That's not the stuff
I brought from Roswell."
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Fishburne: In a 1980 interview
for the series
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"In Search of...
with Leonard Nimoy,"
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Marcel claims he was forced
to go along with a cover-up.
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- They took pictures,
of course.
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They had a whole flock
of microphones there.
457
00:20:35,333 --> 00:20:38,066
They wanted me to--they wanted
some comments from me,
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but I wasn't at liberty
to do that.
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So all I could do
is keep my mouth shut,
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and General Ramey is the one
who discussed--
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told the paper--
the newspapers--I mean,
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the newsmen--what it was
and to forget about it.
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It was nothing more than
a weather observation balloon.
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00:20:58,166 --> 00:21:00,367
Of course,
we both knew differently.
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I had never seen
anything like that before.
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As of now,
I don't know what it was.
467
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,867
It was not anything
from this Earth,
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that I'm quite sure of.
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00:21:10,033 --> 00:21:13,367
- Watching this interview
with his grandchildren,
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you can really feel
the emotion in the room.
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Marcel claimed the military
swore him to secrecy
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and hid the truth.
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For his family,
it was a government cover-up,
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plain and simple.
475
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- Our grandpa wasn't really
a public person.
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He didn't want the spotlight.
He didn't--
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00:21:29,066 --> 00:21:30,266
- Right.
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- In fact, he kind
of shied away from it
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but I really think
that this gave him a way
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to release a lot of weight
on his shoulders.
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- Mm-hmm.
- This was, like, a cleansing,
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in a way, a way just
to let off--this off his chest,
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going to kind of go
where it's gonna go.
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- I mean,
he's incredibly courageous.
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I don't--there's--there are
very few intelligence officers
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who ever come forward in public
about what they did.
487
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So there's a very admirable
trait of bravery.
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He stood up for what
he believed, and he went out...
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- Right.
- And he spoke to everyone,
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and that--that takes guts,
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and then to deal
with the blowback.
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- He felt that there was
an importance for it
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to come out to be seen,
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you know,
that something did occur.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- You know, I think he was
really upset that they made him
497
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the fall guy,
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and that he couldn't believe
that it still--at this point,
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that it was still
being covered up,
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and I think he did want it
to be out,
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00:22:21,133 --> 00:22:22,500
but at the same point,
502
00:22:22,633 --> 00:22:25,066
he knew that there were secrets
that had to stay secret.
503
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,600
- I think Grandpa wanted us
to learn more.
504
00:22:28,734 --> 00:22:31,000
I think he was--really
wanted to tell
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everything he knew about it.
506
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That's the reason I think
there's evidence out there
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that he did.
508
00:22:35,834 --> 00:22:37,333
We've just got to get to it.
509
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Fishburne: Jesse Marcel's
grandchildren hope the journal
510
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will vindicate him
by revealing the truth
511
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about what really crashed
at Roswell and the cover-up
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they say he was forced
to participate in.
513
00:22:49,333 --> 00:22:50,166
- Somebody comes out
and says,
514
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:51,266
"You know what?
515
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,667
"He served his country well
516
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,533
and we apologize for making him
go through this,"
517
00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:56,667
and also, my father.
518
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,300
I want some vindication
for him too.
519
00:22:58,433 --> 00:23:00,300
- I probably won't have answers
immediately,
520
00:23:00,433 --> 00:23:01,300
just looking at it.
- Oh, sure, sure.
521
00:23:01,433 --> 00:23:02,600
- No.
- But over time,
522
00:23:02,734 --> 00:23:05,900
and as we start
to build the investigation,
523
00:23:06,033 --> 00:23:09,266
perhaps some of these clues
will--will come into focus.
524
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,800
This could be a game changer:
525
00:23:10,934 --> 00:23:13,300
the rest of the story
about what happened at Roswell
526
00:23:13,433 --> 00:23:16,100
from its
most important witness.
527
00:23:23,166 --> 00:23:26,033
[dramatic music]
528
00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:32,967
♪ ♪
529
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,300
Fishburne:
During his investigation,
530
00:23:36,433 --> 00:23:38,700
Smith will work
with Joe Pappalardo,
531
00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:42,300
a veteran journalist
who specializes in aviation.
532
00:23:42,433 --> 00:23:44,367
♪ ♪
533
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:49,066
- My investigation really
starts from this man here,
534
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,533
Jesse Marcel, Sr.,
535
00:23:50,667 --> 00:23:53,867
the chief of intelligence
at the 509th Bomber Group
536
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,133
at Roswell Army Air Force Base.
537
00:23:57,266 --> 00:24:00,100
Jesse Marcel, Sr.
538
00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:04,867
kept a small Army portfolio
of his military records,
539
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,200
and in it a small journal.
540
00:24:08,333 --> 00:24:10,734
Jesse Marcel, the man
at the center of the claim
541
00:24:10,867 --> 00:24:12,467
that Roswell was a cover-up,
542
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,700
kept this journal among
his most important papers.
543
00:24:15,834 --> 00:24:18,000
Obviously, it was
very valuable to him.
544
00:24:18,133 --> 00:24:19,433
The question is,
545
00:24:19,567 --> 00:24:21,033
is it a key
to my investigation?
546
00:24:21,166 --> 00:24:23,233
♪ ♪
547
00:24:23,367 --> 00:24:28,900
Some of the dates described
in the journal capture 1947.
548
00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:30,767
It's a remarkable
piece of history,
549
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,934
and nobody really knows
about it yet.
550
00:24:34,066 --> 00:24:35,633
- You're right to be excited.
551
00:24:35,767 --> 00:24:37,400
If this is real--if this is
552
00:24:37,533 --> 00:24:39,233
an actual journal
from that time,
553
00:24:39,367 --> 00:24:42,734
it would represent a primary
source document from that era.
554
00:24:42,867 --> 00:24:44,266
So that's the thing
that you want to go after,
555
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,600
as a researcher.
556
00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:47,000
I would like to take a look
at what you've got,
557
00:24:47,133 --> 00:24:49,266
to see a little bit more
about this diary.
558
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,867
- Let me actually bring it up
on the projector here.
559
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,033
♪ ♪
560
00:24:55,166 --> 00:24:56,567
This is the notebook here.
561
00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:01,000
Right away, I see a typical
Army field issue notebook.
562
00:25:01,133 --> 00:25:03,800
So here we have a date: 1946.
563
00:25:03,934 --> 00:25:06,166
- This entire journal comes
from when he was at Roswell.
564
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:07,333
- Correct.
565
00:25:07,467 --> 00:25:11,600
Our date here--we have
August 31, 1947,
566
00:25:11,734 --> 00:25:15,667
about six weeks, seven weeks
after the U.S. Army Corps
567
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,500
put out their infamous
UFO crash at Roswell,
568
00:25:18,633 --> 00:25:20,500
flying disc.
569
00:25:20,633 --> 00:25:22,934
There's beautiful
cursive handwriting,
570
00:25:23,066 --> 00:25:25,633
and then, if we fast forward,
571
00:25:25,767 --> 00:25:32,633
shift to this kind of erratic,
mixed-case, blocky lettering,
572
00:25:32,767 --> 00:25:34,767
and I can't make sense of it.
573
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,800
- Couple of things leap to mind
immediately when you see
574
00:25:36,934 --> 00:25:38,500
a change that's this drastic.
575
00:25:38,633 --> 00:25:40,734
It's impossible not to notice
that it's different.
576
00:25:40,867 --> 00:25:42,433
It's either a different person
writing it,
577
00:25:42,567 --> 00:25:45,266
or it's the same person
in different mindset.
578
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,133
Is that by design
or is that just unintentional?
579
00:25:48,266 --> 00:25:50,333
- The content seems the same.
580
00:25:50,467 --> 00:25:51,734
- How does the journal
581
00:25:51,867 --> 00:25:54,467
compare with
the timeline of the incident?
582
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,266
- Well, there's--there's no
mention of--of Roswell at all,
583
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,734
no mention of any events,
no mention of any wreckage.
584
00:25:59,867 --> 00:26:02,600
It's just these jokes
and quotes and musings
585
00:26:02,734 --> 00:26:05,500
and ideas captured
in different handwriting,
586
00:26:05,633 --> 00:26:08,500
and there's only
sporadic dates.
587
00:26:08,633 --> 00:26:15,066
They read like quotes
from "Reader's Digest."
588
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,633
"Life is what you make it
589
00:26:16,767 --> 00:26:19,567
until someone comes along
and changes it."
590
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:22,400
"Two half-brothers make one."
591
00:26:22,533 --> 00:26:24,934
"Well, now that I'm too old
to set a bad example,
592
00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:27,100
I delight
in giving good advice."
593
00:26:27,233 --> 00:26:29,066
♪ ♪
594
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,500
- So it meant something to him
but no one knows what.
595
00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:33,767
- Yeah.
He's a soldier.
596
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:37,000
He was in charge
of intelligence at the 509th.
597
00:26:37,133 --> 00:26:40,734
He knew a lot of secrets.
He took them very seriously.
598
00:26:40,867 --> 00:26:44,834
- It's kind of hard to imagine
the seriousness that
599
00:26:44,967 --> 00:26:48,033
people back then took secrecy
and took nuclear secrecy...
600
00:26:48,166 --> 00:26:49,266
- Uh-huh.
601
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,000
- And nuclear weapons,
in particular.
602
00:26:51,133 --> 00:26:53,900
I mean, there were hordes
of Soviet spies
603
00:26:54,033 --> 00:26:55,934
trying to get this information
at the time.
604
00:26:56,066 --> 00:26:58,500
[rocket roaring]
605
00:26:58,633 --> 00:27:00,300
Fishburne: In 1947,
the United States
606
00:27:00,433 --> 00:27:03,233
and the Soviet Union
were already Cold War enemies.
607
00:27:03,367 --> 00:27:05,333
The U.S. possessed
nuclear weapons,
608
00:27:05,467 --> 00:27:07,133
while the Soviets did not.
609
00:27:07,266 --> 00:27:09,100
Major Jesse Marcel
and his colleagues
610
00:27:09,233 --> 00:27:13,266
in the 509th Bomber Squadron
wanted to keep it that way.
611
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,800
- They were basically the only
nuclear bombing group
612
00:27:15,934 --> 00:27:16,800
in the world.
613
00:27:16,934 --> 00:27:18,066
He was entrusted
614
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,934
with the biggest secrets
that the military has.
615
00:27:22,066 --> 00:27:25,000
- One thing that the Marcel
children insist on
616
00:27:25,133 --> 00:27:28,567
is that their grandfather
was absolutely certain that
617
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:31,433
the debris that he was holding
in this photo right here,
618
00:27:31,567 --> 00:27:34,600
the official government photo,
that was in the press release,
619
00:27:34,734 --> 00:27:38,400
is not the debris
that he found in the field.
620
00:27:38,533 --> 00:27:42,000
- I see my grandfather holding
up something that he knew
621
00:27:42,133 --> 00:27:43,734
that wasn't what he found.
622
00:27:43,867 --> 00:27:45,633
- He was adamant
that this was not
623
00:27:45,767 --> 00:27:47,200
what he saw
in the debris field.
624
00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:51,100
- I see a man
that is not liking
625
00:27:51,233 --> 00:27:53,500
what they're having him do,
626
00:27:53,633 --> 00:27:58,433
but he knows he has to do it,
because that's his job.
627
00:27:58,567 --> 00:28:00,100
- That's not what he found,
628
00:28:00,233 --> 00:28:01,967
and at that point in time,
I'm sure he kind of felt,
629
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,734
"Well, maybe I'm going to be
made out to be a fall guy."
630
00:28:04,867 --> 00:28:06,333
- Keeping a secret
is one thing,
631
00:28:06,467 --> 00:28:08,667
but telling a lie is another,
632
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,200
and being the face of that lie
633
00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:14,033
in the newspaper could break
a man like Jesse Marcel.
634
00:28:14,166 --> 00:28:15,567
- That could explain
the difference
635
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:16,533
in the journal as well.
636
00:28:16,667 --> 00:28:18,133
Someone under that much stress,
637
00:28:18,266 --> 00:28:19,533
who knows how that manifests?
638
00:28:19,667 --> 00:28:20,633
It's different handwriting
639
00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:23,300
'cause you're in
a different mental state.
640
00:28:23,433 --> 00:28:25,200
Fishburne: What made
the writing so cryptic,
641
00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:27,967
and why did it
suddenly change?
642
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:32,633
Did it have to do with
the UFO or its passengers?
643
00:28:32,767 --> 00:28:33,867
- Okay, so you've got this hot
644
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,300
piece of evidence
in your hands.
645
00:28:35,433 --> 00:28:37,834
How do you plan on verifying
that it's real?
646
00:28:37,967 --> 00:28:39,033
- I think the first step
647
00:28:39,166 --> 00:28:41,433
is to authenticate
the document itself.
648
00:28:41,567 --> 00:28:43,000
Is this dated
to the time period,
649
00:28:43,133 --> 00:28:44,934
or is this a recreation?
650
00:28:45,066 --> 00:28:46,700
If we can exclude the fact
651
00:28:46,834 --> 00:28:48,533
that it's a forgery,
then we're winning.
652
00:28:48,667 --> 00:28:50,033
- Do the forensics first
653
00:28:50,166 --> 00:28:52,000
to make sure
that it's actually of the era.
654
00:28:52,133 --> 00:28:53,834
- Yeah.
Another interesting question:
655
00:28:53,967 --> 00:28:55,166
why did he have it?
656
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:56,867
Why was it so important to him
that he kept it
657
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,900
and left it among his things
to pass on to his children?
658
00:29:01,033 --> 00:29:02,200
- And then the third tier
659
00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:03,400
is trying to figure out
what the hell it says?
660
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:04,767
- Yeah, exactly.
661
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:06,066
- You've got your work cut out
for you on this one.
662
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,033
- All right.
663
00:29:07,166 --> 00:29:10,433
♪ ♪
664
00:29:10,567 --> 00:29:11,900
Fishburne: To further
his investigation
665
00:29:12,033 --> 00:29:13,100
of Marcel's journal,
666
00:29:13,233 --> 00:29:15,233
Ben Smith contacts
Jennifer Naso,
667
00:29:15,367 --> 00:29:17,600
a leading handwriting expert.
668
00:29:17,734 --> 00:29:20,233
She will perform a forensic
analysis on the document
669
00:29:20,367 --> 00:29:22,367
to determine
if it's genuine or a forgery,
670
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,767
and also whether Jesse Marcel
wrote it himself.
671
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:27,100
♪ ♪
672
00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:29,633
- I understand you worked
for the Secret Service.
673
00:29:29,767 --> 00:29:30,867
- I did.
674
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,066
I completed my training
with the Secret Service
675
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,033
and worked there
for a number of years.
676
00:29:36,166 --> 00:29:37,567
- I used to work for the CIA,
so we have a little bit of,
677
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:39,867
like, USG connection going on.
678
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,600
- My name is Jennifer Naso.
679
00:29:41,734 --> 00:29:43,934
I'm a forensic
document examiner,
680
00:29:44,066 --> 00:29:47,734
and what I do is I receive
documents that are in question,
681
00:29:47,867 --> 00:29:50,767
and I analyze them to determine
their authenticity.
682
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:52,000
At the Secret Service,
683
00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:53,266
I authenticated
684
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,500
a lot of the threat letters
that came in.
685
00:29:56,633 --> 00:29:57,900
We also did a lot of work
686
00:29:58,033 --> 00:30:01,533
with documents
that were false and forged.
687
00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:03,700
- I do have a very
interesting document
688
00:30:03,834 --> 00:30:05,433
that I need
your help authenticating:
689
00:30:05,567 --> 00:30:09,767
a document belonging
to the first guy on the scene
690
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:13,400
of the alleged
Roswell incident in 1947.
691
00:30:13,533 --> 00:30:15,300
- Okay.
- A man named Jesse Marcel, Sr.
692
00:30:15,433 --> 00:30:18,734
This could potentially hold
Marcel's private thoughts
693
00:30:18,867 --> 00:30:22,600
about the incidents that July,
about the crash,
694
00:30:22,734 --> 00:30:25,266
about the materials,
about the potential cover-up.
695
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,900
So I need to determine that
this is not in fact a forgery.
696
00:30:30,033 --> 00:30:31,266
Fishburne: If the journal
was written
697
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,567
by Jesse Marcel in 1947,
698
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:35,533
could it hold the key
699
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:38,934
to unlocking
the mystery of Roswell?
700
00:30:39,066 --> 00:30:40,200
Coming up...
701
00:30:40,333 --> 00:30:42,533
- Definitely an interesting
magnetic anomaly
702
00:30:42,667 --> 00:30:44,033
that I want to investigate.
703
00:30:44,166 --> 00:30:45,700
- Will this aerial photo
704
00:30:45,834 --> 00:30:47,767
showing deep furrows
in the ground,
705
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:49,567
reveal that a UFO
crashed here?
706
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:53,467
- I'd like to find additional
proof of that impact zone.
707
00:31:02,233 --> 00:31:05,100
[dramatic music]
708
00:31:05,233 --> 00:31:12,166
♪ ♪
709
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,900
- I do have a very
interesting document
710
00:31:15,033 --> 00:31:17,834
that I need your
help authenticating.
711
00:31:17,967 --> 00:31:20,133
Fishburne: Former CIA
operative Ben Smith
712
00:31:20,266 --> 00:31:22,900
has brought Jesse Marcel's
mysterious journal
713
00:31:23,033 --> 00:31:25,266
to a forensic document
examiner for testing.
714
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,734
♪ ♪
715
00:31:26,867 --> 00:31:29,934
- This could potentially hold
Marcel's private thoughts
716
00:31:30,066 --> 00:31:32,934
about the incidents that July.
717
00:31:33,066 --> 00:31:34,767
Fishburne: Marcel was
the first investigator
718
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:36,867
at the Roswell crash site.
719
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,266
While the U.S. Army
720
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,367
claimed the wreckage
was from a weather balloon,
721
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,266
Marcel's family alleges
something different:
722
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,800
that the journal
may hold coded clues
723
00:31:45,934 --> 00:31:48,233
about what really happened.
724
00:31:48,367 --> 00:31:51,200
- I would like to believe
the journal is going to give us
725
00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:54,166
the truth we've been looking
for for the last 70 years.
726
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:57,133
♪ ♪
727
00:31:57,266 --> 00:32:00,633
- So I see most of the document
is written
728
00:32:00,767 --> 00:32:02,300
in a cursive writing.
- Mm-hmm.
729
00:32:02,433 --> 00:32:03,633
- And then when
you get to the end,
730
00:32:03,767 --> 00:32:07,467
it changes to a print writing.
731
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,667
- Yeah.
732
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,200
- It may be an indication
733
00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,066
that there were two different
writers in this journal.
734
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,633
That I would have to do
a more thorough investigation
735
00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:16,166
in order to determine.
736
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,133
It's important to authenticate
historical documents,
737
00:32:18,266 --> 00:32:20,700
because it can turn the tables
738
00:32:20,834 --> 00:32:23,633
in terms of what we know
versus what we thought we knew.
739
00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:26,133
The date of the document
is important to note,
740
00:32:26,266 --> 00:32:28,834
because what I'm gonna do
is static dating.
741
00:32:28,967 --> 00:32:31,000
We know the introduction dates
of certain elements
742
00:32:31,133 --> 00:32:32,633
of the paper or the inks.
743
00:32:32,767 --> 00:32:35,266
We can see whether or not they
were available during the time
744
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,500
that this document
was purportedly produced.
745
00:32:37,633 --> 00:32:40,100
- Some of the dates
in the journal itself range
746
00:32:40,233 --> 00:32:43,767
from 1946 to 1948 and '49, um,
747
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,500
so they cover the period
of the Roswell incident,
748
00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:51,166
but one of my biggest concerns
about this document is forgery.
749
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:53,800
I want to make sure
that this document is real.
750
00:32:53,934 --> 00:32:55,467
What can you tell me
751
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,934
about what you've seen
in forged documents?
752
00:32:58,066 --> 00:33:00,867
Have you seen forgeries
of this length before?
753
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,300
- I have not,
754
00:33:02,433 --> 00:33:05,867
but there is a famous case
where there were
755
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,567
several diaries
purportedly written by Hitler.
756
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,567
♪ ♪
757
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:14,934
Fishburne: On April 25, 1983,
758
00:33:15,066 --> 00:33:17,867
the West German magazine
"Stern"
759
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,400
announced that it
was in possession
760
00:33:19,533 --> 00:33:23,000
of never-before-seen diaries
written by Adolf Hitler
761
00:33:23,133 --> 00:33:26,033
that could rewrite the history
of World War II.
762
00:33:26,166 --> 00:33:29,367
"Stern" had paid close
to $4 million for the diaries
763
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:31,633
and sold the rights
to other major publications
764
00:33:31,767 --> 00:33:32,633
around the world.
765
00:33:32,767 --> 00:33:34,000
♪ ♪
766
00:33:34,133 --> 00:33:35,700
Totaling 60 volumes,
767
00:33:35,834 --> 00:33:37,200
the writings were
authenticated
768
00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:39,333
by several
prominent historians.
769
00:33:39,467 --> 00:33:43,400
♪ ♪
770
00:33:43,533 --> 00:33:45,767
But just days
before publication,
771
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,567
the diaries
were exposed as fakes.
772
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,500
A forensics analysis
by the West German Archives
773
00:33:51,633 --> 00:33:53,700
quickly discovered
that the diaries were made
774
00:33:53,834 --> 00:33:55,266
from a kind of paper and ink
775
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,700
that wasn't even invented
until after World War II.
776
00:33:58,834 --> 00:34:01,266
Their author was a prolific
East German forger
777
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,066
named Konrad Kujau,
778
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,166
who wrote out his own
confession in the style
779
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:06,633
of Hitler's penmanship.
780
00:34:06,767 --> 00:34:08,600
♪ ♪
781
00:34:08,734 --> 00:34:11,000
- The way that they
ended up determining
782
00:34:11,133 --> 00:34:12,300
that they were fraudulent
783
00:34:12,433 --> 00:34:14,500
is because the paper contains
optical brighteners
784
00:34:14,633 --> 00:34:15,834
that were not available...
785
00:34:15,967 --> 00:34:17,600
- Oh.
- Until after Hitler's death.
786
00:34:17,734 --> 00:34:18,767
- Interesting.
787
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:20,233
You know,
there's always conspiracy
788
00:34:20,367 --> 00:34:21,834
in every corner that I look.
789
00:34:21,967 --> 00:34:24,500
How long do you think
it will take?
790
00:34:24,633 --> 00:34:26,200
- Um, usually it takes
a few weeks.
791
00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:27,233
- Oh, it does.
- Mm-hmm.
792
00:34:27,367 --> 00:34:28,433
- Okay.
793
00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:29,567
- Especially something
of this magnitude.
794
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:31,400
♪ ♪
795
00:34:31,533 --> 00:34:33,100
Fishburne: While Jennifer Naso
performs
796
00:34:33,233 --> 00:34:35,734
a forensics analysis
of the journal,
797
00:34:35,867 --> 00:34:37,767
Smith asks a team
of archaeologists
798
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:40,700
and geophysicists to meet him
at the debris field.
799
00:34:40,834 --> 00:34:42,500
♪ ♪
800
00:34:42,633 --> 00:34:44,600
He hopes state-of-the-art
technology will find signs
801
00:34:44,734 --> 00:34:48,133
that something more powerful
than a balloon crashed here.
802
00:34:48,266 --> 00:34:50,133
♪ ♪
803
00:34:50,266 --> 00:34:51,367
- Even 70 years later,
804
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:52,600
if we can find evidence
805
00:34:52,734 --> 00:34:54,533
that what crashed here
was not a balloon,
806
00:34:54,667 --> 00:34:55,667
it could prove that
Jesse Marcel
807
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,967
was telling the truth--
808
00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:00,467
that whatever crashed here
was not of this world.
809
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,900
Fishburne: According
to author Kevin Randle,
810
00:35:03,033 --> 00:35:04,633
the weather balloon
explanation
811
00:35:04,767 --> 00:35:05,834
put forward by the military
812
00:35:05,967 --> 00:35:08,500
at that 1947 press conference
813
00:35:08,633 --> 00:35:11,834
blindsided not only
Jesse Marcel but also
814
00:35:11,967 --> 00:35:14,867
Mack Brazel, the rancher
who found the wreckage.
815
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,834
- General Ramey of course
trotted it out--
816
00:35:16,967 --> 00:35:18,300
"It's a weather balloon."
817
00:35:18,433 --> 00:35:20,166
The problem with that
is Mack Brazel
818
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,767
knew what weather balloons
looked like.
819
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:26,633
- This is Bill Brazel's
memory of how his dad reacted.
820
00:35:26,767 --> 00:35:27,834
♪ ♪
821
00:35:27,967 --> 00:35:29,166
- He said that's what
822
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:30,834
the Air Force tried
to make him believe,
823
00:35:30,967 --> 00:35:32,367
that it was a weather balloon.
824
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:35,133
He said, "Bill," he said,
"It was not a weather balloon."
825
00:35:35,266 --> 00:35:38,367
He said, "I don't know
what it was."
826
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:43,867
But he said, "It was something
altogether different,
827
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,133
and much bigger."
828
00:35:46,266 --> 00:35:49,300
Fishburne: In this 1991
interview, Jud Roberts,
829
00:35:49,433 --> 00:35:52,800
manager of Roswell's
local radio station KGFL,
830
00:35:52,934 --> 00:35:55,367
says that local residents
were very familiar
831
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,800
with the military's
weather balloons.
832
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:06,700
- Oh, well, weather balloons
were being launched about
833
00:36:06,834 --> 00:36:08,967
a block from us every night.
834
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:10,500
So weather balloons per se
835
00:36:10,633 --> 00:36:14,033
were not that--not that
interesting to us.
836
00:36:14,166 --> 00:36:16,266
Fishburne: If local residents
were indeed familiar
837
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,734
with weather balloons,
838
00:36:17,867 --> 00:36:21,900
is it likely Jesse Marcel,
an intelligence officer,
839
00:36:22,033 --> 00:36:25,367
could have mistaken a balloon
for a flying saucer?
840
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,633
- It was definitely not
a weather balloon,
841
00:36:27,767 --> 00:36:30,633
and, uh, it was an aircraft.
842
00:36:30,767 --> 00:36:33,934
So what it could have been,
I wouldn't know.
843
00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:38,233
♪ ♪
844
00:36:38,367 --> 00:36:41,333
- You mention Roswell
in most places these days
845
00:36:41,467 --> 00:36:44,266
and people bring up UFOs.
846
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,934
- It's a question,
a story,
847
00:36:47,066 --> 00:36:50,867
a myth that is known
practically worldwide.
848
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,233
- Yeah.
849
00:36:52,367 --> 00:36:53,867
Fishburne: Smith has asked
Bill Doleman
850
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,233
to join the team of experts
at the debris field.
851
00:36:57,367 --> 00:36:59,567
Doleman is the former
principal investigator
852
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:02,000
for the University
of New Mexico's Office
853
00:37:02,133 --> 00:37:04,400
of Contract Archaeology.
854
00:37:04,533 --> 00:37:06,567
- Of all the disputed
locations,
855
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:09,133
this is the one
that is least disputed.
856
00:37:09,266 --> 00:37:11,233
- You're the only one who's
actually done a dig out there.
857
00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:12,533
- That's correct.
858
00:37:12,667 --> 00:37:15,100
- And you've done two of them.
- Two.
859
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:17,600
Fishburne: Doleman made two
previous expeditions
860
00:37:17,734 --> 00:37:21,867
to the debris field,
in 2002 and 2006,
861
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,800
but he's hopeful
that using new technology
862
00:37:23,934 --> 00:37:25,500
might uncover fresh evidence.
863
00:37:25,633 --> 00:37:26,934
- Bringing
archaeological skills
864
00:37:27,066 --> 00:37:30,100
to a potential debris site,
865
00:37:30,233 --> 00:37:35,100
I'm hoping that we can turn up
some fresh, new evidence.
866
00:37:35,233 --> 00:37:36,800
♪ ♪
867
00:37:36,934 --> 00:37:39,734
So what hit the debris field?
868
00:37:39,867 --> 00:37:42,000
There are a lot
of conflicting accounts.
869
00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:44,600
A craft? Just debris?
870
00:37:44,734 --> 00:37:47,600
Some people saw
a meteor-like object.
871
00:37:47,734 --> 00:37:49,200
What do you recommend
we do first?
872
00:37:49,333 --> 00:37:53,900
Start with the archaeology dig,
or deploy the drone technology?
873
00:37:54,033 --> 00:37:56,000
- We definitely deploy
the drone technology,
874
00:37:56,133 --> 00:37:58,300
because the archaeology
comes in
875
00:37:58,433 --> 00:38:03,266
where they identify anomalies
that we can then go investigate
876
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,900
using our standard
archaeological methods.
877
00:38:07,033 --> 00:38:09,734
- There isn't a U.S. government
map with this marked,
878
00:38:09,867 --> 00:38:12,100
but I actually happen
to have a journal
879
00:38:12,233 --> 00:38:15,200
that belonged
to Jesse Marcel, Sr.,
880
00:38:15,333 --> 00:38:17,567
and Jesse was
an intelligence officer.
881
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:18,900
He was a smart guy.
882
00:38:19,033 --> 00:38:21,200
It's possible
that he could have hidden
883
00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:24,400
some of what he knew
in this journal.
884
00:38:24,533 --> 00:38:27,500
I would like to determine
one way or the other
885
00:38:27,633 --> 00:38:29,533
if there was any evidence
of a cover-up.
886
00:38:29,667 --> 00:38:32,233
If there was a debris site
or an impact site
887
00:38:32,367 --> 00:38:34,667
and it was removed
and then leveled over,
888
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,667
we might be able
to see something like that.
889
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,700
♪ ♪
890
00:38:38,834 --> 00:38:42,667
I am finally back
at the Roswell debris field.
891
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,900
It's kind of hard to believe
892
00:38:44,033 --> 00:38:48,266
that a place
this abandoned and quiet
893
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,800
could be the birthplace
894
00:38:50,934 --> 00:38:52,900
of ufology
in the United States,
895
00:38:53,033 --> 00:38:54,133
or in the world, actually.
896
00:38:54,266 --> 00:38:55,700
♪ ♪
897
00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:58,233
Fishburne: The term ufology
refers to the study of UFOs,
898
00:38:58,367 --> 00:38:59,367
and for some,
899
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:01,934
Roswell is
the most important UFO,
900
00:39:02,066 --> 00:39:03,367
because it is the site
901
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:06,734
where an alien spaceship
allegedly crashed to Earth.
902
00:39:06,867 --> 00:39:08,233
♪ ♪
903
00:39:08,367 --> 00:39:09,567
- With Roswell,
904
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,467
you have the best elements
of all UFO cases:
905
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,767
crash sites,
physical bodies recovered,
906
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:20,600
and then all the eyewitness
testimony on top of that.
907
00:39:20,734 --> 00:39:22,233
- It's just this big mystery.
908
00:39:22,367 --> 00:39:24,233
Did it happen? What was it?
909
00:39:24,367 --> 00:39:26,166
That's still not solved.
910
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:28,433
It's hard to write it off,
911
00:39:28,567 --> 00:39:30,166
and so you're left
with this big question
912
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:34,033
about something of incredible
potential significance.
913
00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:36,200
♪ ♪
914
00:39:36,333 --> 00:39:39,734
- This is the famous
backhoe trench 103.
915
00:39:39,867 --> 00:39:44,300
- So this would be what,
uh, ufologists consider
916
00:39:44,433 --> 00:39:46,400
the actual furrow in the ground
917
00:39:46,533 --> 00:39:50,800
where, uh, some kind of craft
made contact with the Earth.
918
00:39:50,934 --> 00:39:52,467
You were here in 2002,
919
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,233
and you conducted
an archaeological dig here,
920
00:39:57,367 --> 00:39:58,800
right--right in this furrow.
921
00:39:58,934 --> 00:40:02,233
- Yeah, and the furrow runs
that way, supposedly.
922
00:40:02,367 --> 00:40:07,166
There are nails--big nails
and rebar spikes in the ground
923
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:08,467
marking the grid system
924
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,567
that we used
for locational control in 2002.
925
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,133
Archeologists are the crime
scene investigators
926
00:40:14,266 --> 00:40:15,266
of the past.
927
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,300
We treat archaeological sites
928
00:40:17,433 --> 00:40:19,867
just the way
a CSI treats a crime scene,
929
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,066
to use our methods to look
for the evidence of it.
930
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,800
♪ ♪
931
00:40:27,934 --> 00:40:29,567
- Uh, 122.8.
932
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,133
[beeps]
933
00:40:31,266 --> 00:40:32,400
Fishburne: Those methods
are about to get
934
00:40:32,533 --> 00:40:33,967
a serious upgrade.
935
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,100
Joining the team are two
Canadian geophysicists,
936
00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:39,800
Colin Miasga and Eric Johnson,
937
00:40:39,934 --> 00:40:41,900
who will deploy
21st Century technology
938
00:40:42,033 --> 00:40:44,633
to investigate abnormalities
in the terrain.
939
00:40:44,767 --> 00:40:48,066
♪ ♪
940
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,100
- So density altitude,
941
00:40:50,233 --> 00:40:54,500
6,770 feet.
942
00:40:54,633 --> 00:40:56,567
♪ ♪
943
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:58,800
Fishburne: This may be
the best-equipped team ever
944
00:40:58,934 --> 00:41:00,333
to answer the question
945
00:41:00,467 --> 00:41:03,333
that has stumped generations
of investigators:
946
00:41:03,467 --> 00:41:07,200
what kind of airborne vehicle
crashed outside of Roswell?
947
00:41:07,333 --> 00:41:08,533
Coming up...
948
00:41:08,667 --> 00:41:10,633
does Jesse Marcel's
mysterious journal
949
00:41:10,767 --> 00:41:15,367
contain coded clues to what
really happened at Roswell?
950
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,467
♪ ♪
951
00:41:23,333 --> 00:41:26,200
[dramatic music]
952
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:29,367
♪ ♪
953
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:32,500
- I'd like to find additional
proof of that impact zone,
954
00:41:32,633 --> 00:41:34,300
what crashed here,
and how heavy it was,
955
00:41:34,433 --> 00:41:36,433
and at what velocity.
956
00:41:36,567 --> 00:41:38,500
Fishburne: At the Roswell
crash site,
957
00:41:38,633 --> 00:41:40,266
Ben Smith
and a team of experts
958
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,467
are using state
of the art equipment
959
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,100
to find possible evidence
960
00:41:44,233 --> 00:41:46,900
that Jesse Marcel may
have been telling the truth
961
00:41:47,033 --> 00:41:51,000
that what crash landed here
was no weather balloon.
962
00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:52,667
- It makes the most sense
to start here
963
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,767
and then widen
the search from there.
964
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:56,467
♪ ♪
965
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,867
Fishburne: One curious aspect
966
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,500
is that weeks
before that early July day,
967
00:42:00,633 --> 00:42:02,533
when Marcel found
what he believed
968
00:42:02,667 --> 00:42:04,834
was the wreckage
of a flying saucer,
969
00:42:04,967 --> 00:42:06,900
there were a huge number
of headline-making
970
00:42:07,033 --> 00:42:08,667
UFO sightings in the area.
971
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,100
♪ ♪
972
00:42:13,233 --> 00:42:14,867
At the local radio station,
973
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,133
Jud Roberts remembers
974
00:42:16,266 --> 00:42:19,133
fielding dozens
of callers reporting UFOs.
975
00:42:19,266 --> 00:42:22,533
- And people that I knew
who were highly respectable,
976
00:42:22,667 --> 00:42:24,600
who saw some of these things,
977
00:42:24,734 --> 00:42:28,100
and they had no reason to--
they had no reason to kid
978
00:42:28,233 --> 00:42:31,533
anybody about standing
outside of their pickup
979
00:42:31,667 --> 00:42:33,400
and watching these lights
go back and forth
980
00:42:33,533 --> 00:42:34,667
up in the mountain.
981
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,700
♪ ♪
982
00:42:37,834 --> 00:42:40,867
- Dad looked up in the west
and saw an object
983
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,166
that came down
and had lights blinking,
984
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:47,734
and it was rather
frightening to him.
985
00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:49,200
Fishburne: In 1947,
986
00:42:49,333 --> 00:42:51,333
Paul Wilmot's elderly parents
987
00:42:51,467 --> 00:42:52,734
were sitting on their porch
988
00:42:52,867 --> 00:42:56,500
when they were sure
they saw a flying saucer.
989
00:42:56,633 --> 00:42:59,033
- He said all of a sudden
it seemed to rock a little bit
990
00:42:59,166 --> 00:43:01,133
and sort of
counterbalanced itself,
991
00:43:01,266 --> 00:43:02,667
wiggled a little bit,
992
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,266
and then it seemed
to settle down
993
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,734
and take off
at a rapid rate of speed.
994
00:43:07,867 --> 00:43:09,567
Fishburne: Then came Roswell,
995
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:12,900
the event that would become
the Holy Grail of ufology,
996
00:43:13,033 --> 00:43:15,000
a discovery that would be
proof for many
997
00:43:15,133 --> 00:43:17,567
that aliens had visited
the Earth.
998
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:19,166
In truth, there
is no agreement
999
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:21,266
on what day
the crash occurred.
1000
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,033
UFO investigator Don Schmitt
believes it was July 2nd.
1001
00:43:25,166 --> 00:43:26,400
[thunder booming]
1002
00:43:26,533 --> 00:43:29,266
- On the late evening
of July 2nd, 1947,
1003
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,433
there was a severe
lightning storm
1004
00:43:31,567 --> 00:43:35,033
in the central high desert
of Lincoln County.
1005
00:43:35,166 --> 00:43:36,967
- All ranchers go out
on the porch
1006
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:38,400
to see where it's raining.
1007
00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:39,934
- Mm-hmm.
- My husband,
1008
00:43:40,066 --> 00:43:42,467
he had to stand out there
and see where it was raining,
1009
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,967
and there was so much thunder
and lightning
1010
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:50,900
that, um, I begged him
to come in the house,
1011
00:43:51,033 --> 00:43:54,233
and finally there was
this terrible thunder clap,
1012
00:43:54,367 --> 00:43:57,767
and he came in and he says,
"Boy, that hit something."
1013
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:00,233
- People think about desert
as just pure dry,
1014
00:44:00,367 --> 00:44:01,767
and most of the time, it is,
1015
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:04,300
but once that moisture
starts creeping in,
1016
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:06,133
all it needs is something
to lift it,
1017
00:44:06,266 --> 00:44:10,066
and that's going to give you
incredible thunderstorms.
1018
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,667
- Witnesses describe
not only the storm,
1019
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,367
but between the thunder claps,
1020
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:20,033
they heard what sounded
like an explosion,
1021
00:44:20,166 --> 00:44:21,667
and then seeing something
1022
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,667
in the northern portion
of the sky.
1023
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,000
- Large, red pulsating light
came directly at us,
1024
00:44:30,133 --> 00:44:34,133
and all I could think of
was that it was a plane
1025
00:44:34,266 --> 00:44:35,934
which--that was in trouble.
1026
00:44:36,066 --> 00:44:37,834
♪ ♪
1027
00:44:37,967 --> 00:44:39,700
[booming]
1028
00:44:39,834 --> 00:44:41,934
[rain pattering]
1029
00:44:42,066 --> 00:44:43,867
Fishburne: While there
is no definitive proof
1030
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,600
about what crashed in
the field
1031
00:44:45,734 --> 00:44:48,333
75 miles west of Roswell,
1032
00:44:48,467 --> 00:44:50,800
no one disputes that
it was rancher Mack Brazel
1033
00:44:50,934 --> 00:44:52,433
who made the first discovery
1034
00:44:52,567 --> 00:44:54,700
while taking his sheep
to pasture.
1035
00:44:54,834 --> 00:44:56,000
♪ ♪
1036
00:44:56,133 --> 00:44:59,533
- Ranching in New Mexico
would be very focused
1037
00:44:59,667 --> 00:45:00,967
on the monsoon season,
1038
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:02,300
and so a rancher,
1039
00:45:02,433 --> 00:45:03,867
they'd be watching
for those storms
1040
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,567
and watching where
the rain shafts come down
1041
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:07,100
because their cattle
1042
00:45:07,233 --> 00:45:09,333
or whatever they're
raising needs water.
1043
00:45:09,467 --> 00:45:11,400
♪ ♪
1044
00:45:11,533 --> 00:45:14,233
- There was a young boy
who was with Mack Brazel,
1045
00:45:14,367 --> 00:45:16,667
the son of Floyd
and Loretta Proctor.
1046
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,867
His name was
Timothy Dee Proctor--
1047
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,667
Dee, as he was called.
1048
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,900
♪ ♪
1049
00:45:25,033 --> 00:45:28,900
Mack happened to stumble
upon this huge
1050
00:45:29,033 --> 00:45:34,266
debris field--strange,
unusual wreckage.
1051
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,700
- Mack had found a huge field
filled with metallic debris,
1052
00:45:38,834 --> 00:45:40,700
and he was annoyed because,
1053
00:45:40,834 --> 00:45:42,133
A, he didn't know
who was gonna clean it up,
1054
00:45:42,266 --> 00:45:44,767
and B, he had to drive
the sheep around it
1055
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:46,600
to get them to water.
1056
00:45:46,734 --> 00:45:48,100
- They would not cross it.
1057
00:45:48,233 --> 00:45:50,033
They were either spooked
1058
00:45:50,166 --> 00:45:54,033
or they sensed something else
coming from the wreckage.
1059
00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:58,533
♪ ♪
1060
00:45:58,667 --> 00:46:03,100
Mack then takes Dee Proctor
back to his parents,
1061
00:46:03,233 --> 00:46:07,000
and he presents some of
the material to the Proctors.
1062
00:46:07,133 --> 00:46:09,266
♪ ♪
1063
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,767
- He showed us this piece that
looked like plastic
1064
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:14,600
or wood of some kind,
1065
00:46:14,734 --> 00:46:19,667
and he said that there was some
metallic-looking stuff that,
1066
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,433
when you crushed it,
1067
00:46:21,567 --> 00:46:22,967
it just straightened
right back out.
1068
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,767
It wouldn't--you know,
wouldn't stay crushed.
1069
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:27,300
Fishburne: According
to Roswell author
1070
00:46:27,433 --> 00:46:28,633
and researcher Don Schmitt,
1071
00:46:28,767 --> 00:46:30,934
Loretta Proctor
was the first person
1072
00:46:31,066 --> 00:46:32,600
to see samples of the debris
1073
00:46:32,734 --> 00:46:36,266
that Mack Brazel brought
back from the fields.
1074
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,367
- Well, we told him
1075
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:41,100
it was probably a UFO
and he should report it.
1076
00:46:41,233 --> 00:46:43,433
- Mack Brazel was convinced
by his neighbor
1077
00:46:43,567 --> 00:46:45,100
that he should
take it into Roswell.
1078
00:46:45,233 --> 00:46:47,300
♪ ♪
1079
00:46:47,433 --> 00:46:49,467
- Mack would take samples
of the debris
1080
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,200
to Wade's Bar in Corona
1081
00:46:52,333 --> 00:46:55,600
and present pieces there
to fellow ranchers,
1082
00:46:55,734 --> 00:46:57,934
his friends, his neighbors.
1083
00:46:58,066 --> 00:47:00,333
Fishburne: The small
farming community of Corona
1084
00:47:00,467 --> 00:47:03,233
was only 15 miles
from the debris field.
1085
00:47:03,367 --> 00:47:05,433
It would be Mack Brazel's
first stop
1086
00:47:05,567 --> 00:47:07,500
before going on to Roswell.
1087
00:47:07,633 --> 00:47:09,400
♪ ♪
1088
00:47:09,533 --> 00:47:12,066
- Mack Brazel came to Corona
and talked to my dad
1089
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,667
about the debris that he had
found out on the Foster ranch.
1090
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,400
- The material was as thin
as a wrapper
1091
00:47:19,533 --> 00:47:24,400
on a Lucky Strike package,
but you couldn't break it,
1092
00:47:24,533 --> 00:47:26,900
and if you twisted it
and scrunched it up together,
1093
00:47:27,033 --> 00:47:30,467
it would come back to its own,
yeah.
1094
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,834
- He had no idea what it was,
and they said,
1095
00:47:33,967 --> 00:47:37,100
"I bet you have one of them
UFOs we've been reading about."
1096
00:47:37,233 --> 00:47:38,500
♪ ♪
1097
00:47:38,633 --> 00:47:41,033
- Mack Brazel was convinced
by his neighbor
1098
00:47:41,166 --> 00:47:42,433
that he should take it in
to Roswell
1099
00:47:42,567 --> 00:47:43,567
and show it to the sheriff.
1100
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:46,166
♪ ♪
1101
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:50,066
- But Brazel is still
responsible for the ranch,
1102
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,734
and it isn't until
the end of the week,
1103
00:47:52,867 --> 00:47:55,400
Sunday, his day off,
1104
00:47:55,533 --> 00:47:57,533
that he finally
makes the trek,
1105
00:47:57,667 --> 00:48:01,133
the 75-mile drive
into Roswell,
1106
00:48:01,266 --> 00:48:05,333
to present it to the sheriff,
George Wilcox.
1107
00:48:05,467 --> 00:48:06,834
Fishburne:
Lieutenant George Wilcox
1108
00:48:06,967 --> 00:48:09,500
had been the county sheriff
for 20 years.
1109
00:48:09,633 --> 00:48:11,934
Most of his work involved
locking up drunks
1110
00:48:12,066 --> 00:48:13,467
and settling disputes
1111
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,133
between ranchers over
livestock and grazing rights.
1112
00:48:16,266 --> 00:48:18,266
♪ ♪
1113
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,066
- Mack Brazel brought in
two boxes of wreckage.
1114
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,767
Sheriff George Wilcox
1115
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,867
handled and observed
the material firsthand.
1116
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,300
♪ ♪
1117
00:48:29,433 --> 00:48:33,433
The sheriff immediately
suggested that Mack Brazel
1118
00:48:33,567 --> 00:48:36,633
report this
to the Roswell Army Air Field,
1119
00:48:36,767 --> 00:48:38,533
the 509th Bomb Group.
1120
00:48:38,667 --> 00:48:40,100
It sounds like a matter
1121
00:48:40,233 --> 00:48:42,867
they need to know
about most urgently.
1122
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,200
♪ ♪
1123
00:48:44,333 --> 00:48:46,900
Fishburne: It was that call
to the 509th
1124
00:48:47,033 --> 00:48:48,934
that led its commander
to dispatch
1125
00:48:49,066 --> 00:48:51,633
Jesse Marcel,
his intelligence officer,
1126
00:48:51,767 --> 00:48:53,333
to investigate
the strange report.
1127
00:48:53,467 --> 00:48:55,467
♪ ♪
1128
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600
- I had never seen anything
like that before,
1129
00:48:57,734 --> 00:49:01,066
and as of right--as of now,
I don't know what it was.
1130
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,033
Fishburne: When Marcel
returned to the air base
1131
00:49:03,166 --> 00:49:06,133
and showed colleagues pieces
of the debris he'd collected,
1132
00:49:06,266 --> 00:49:08,333
Base Commander William
Blanchard made the decision
1133
00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:11,433
to go public and issue
that famous press release.
1134
00:49:11,567 --> 00:49:13,000
♪ ♪
1135
00:49:13,133 --> 00:49:13,967
- Late this afternoon,
1136
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,400
a bulletin from New Mexico
1137
00:49:15,533 --> 00:49:17,166
suggested that
the widely-publicized mystery
1138
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:20,133
of the flying saucers
may soon be solved.
1139
00:49:20,266 --> 00:49:21,867
Fishburne: With the story
of the flying disc
1140
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,233
making international news,
1141
00:49:23,367 --> 00:49:24,700
Mack Brazel didn't
see any harm
1142
00:49:24,834 --> 00:49:27,400
in being interviewed
by the local radio station.
1143
00:49:27,533 --> 00:49:28,767
♪ ♪
1144
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:30,500
- That morning,
1145
00:49:30,633 --> 00:49:34,633
reporters from KGFL
in Roswell brought Mack Brazel
1146
00:49:34,767 --> 00:49:37,700
over to the radio station
to finally, you know,
1147
00:49:37,834 --> 00:49:41,367
tell the world the truth
about what has happened,
1148
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:43,967
and the military
was waiting for him.
1149
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:45,834
They nabbed Brazel,
1150
00:49:45,967 --> 00:49:48,500
and they would then hide him
out at the base
1151
00:49:48,633 --> 00:49:51,633
for the next five full days.
1152
00:49:51,767 --> 00:49:53,367
♪ ♪
1153
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:56,467
He would later complain
he felt like he was in jail,
1154
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,200
that they asked him
the same questions over
1155
00:49:59,333 --> 00:50:00,867
and over and over again,
1156
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,400
24 hours around the clock,
over a weather balloon.
1157
00:50:05,533 --> 00:50:06,900
♪ ♪
1158
00:50:07,033 --> 00:50:09,400
Fishburne: According to
alleged eyewitness accounts,
1159
00:50:09,533 --> 00:50:11,133
in the days that followed,
1160
00:50:11,266 --> 00:50:13,600
the military swept through
Roswell and Corona,
1161
00:50:13,734 --> 00:50:15,100
threatening scores
of individuals
1162
00:50:15,233 --> 00:50:17,834
who heard Brazel's story.
1163
00:50:17,967 --> 00:50:20,166
These local residents
were warned to keep quiet
1164
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:22,266
or they could be charged
with treason,
1165
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,033
which carried
the death penalty.
1166
00:50:25,166 --> 00:50:29,200
- The whole neighborhood was
scandalized that the Army--
1167
00:50:29,333 --> 00:50:32,300
that the services
would treat people like that.
1168
00:50:32,433 --> 00:50:33,834
♪ ♪
1169
00:50:33,967 --> 00:50:36,000
Fishburne: The military
reportedly used Brazel
1170
00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:39,066
to walk back the previous
day's front page story
1171
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,800
that a flying
saucer had crashed.
1172
00:50:40,934 --> 00:50:42,166
♪ ♪
1173
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:43,500
- Days later,
1174
00:50:43,633 --> 00:50:46,333
Brazel was escorted
by the military,
1175
00:50:46,467 --> 00:50:48,066
taken to the newspapers,
1176
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,633
taken to the two
radio stations,
1177
00:50:50,767 --> 00:50:55,333
but specifically KGFL,
where Frank Joyce,
1178
00:50:55,467 --> 00:50:59,967
reporter, meets Mack Brazel,
and to his dismay,
1179
00:51:00,166 --> 00:51:02,967
Brazel only describes
a weather balloon.
1180
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,567
Joyce sees the two MPs
and is like,
1181
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,600
"Oh, now I see
what's happening."
1182
00:51:08,734 --> 00:51:11,934
- Agents or agencies of people
unknown wanted him
1183
00:51:12,066 --> 00:51:14,467
to change off
of the original story.
1184
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,767
♪ ♪
1185
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:19,367
- And in his
total frustration,
1186
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,300
Joyce takes him off the air.
1187
00:51:21,433 --> 00:51:22,433
♪ ♪
1188
00:51:22,567 --> 00:51:24,800
- I said to him,
"The little green men,"
1189
00:51:24,934 --> 00:51:26,333
and that's where he said,
1190
00:51:26,467 --> 00:51:28,367
"Yeah,
only they weren't green."
1191
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:30,066
♪ ♪
1192
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,033
Fishburne: Coming up,
Will Smith
1193
00:51:32,166 --> 00:51:34,300
and a team of experts
find new clues
1194
00:51:34,433 --> 00:51:36,700
to the mystery
at the debris site.
1195
00:51:36,834 --> 00:51:40,700
♪ ♪
1196
00:51:44,433 --> 00:51:47,266
[dramatic music]
1197
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:53,133
♪ ♪
1198
00:51:53,266 --> 00:51:55,166
Fishburne: At the Roswell
crash site,
1199
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:56,967
Smith is with
a team of experts
1200
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:58,667
searching for evidence
of the wreckage
1201
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,367
found here in 1947.
1202
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:02,834
- Best plan for us
1203
00:52:02,967 --> 00:52:05,767
would be to start
getting our MultiSpec data
1204
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:06,934
going in the area.
1205
00:52:07,066 --> 00:52:09,033
We can cover
a broad--broad area,
1206
00:52:09,166 --> 00:52:10,967
get the highest resolution,
1207
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:13,166
most up-to-date
aerial imagery.
1208
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:14,934
- We also have
that MultiSpectral camera.
1209
00:52:15,066 --> 00:52:16,367
- Oh, cool.
So you can do both at once.
1210
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,667
- Yeah.
- Oh, that's--
1211
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,233
- So in one flight,
1212
00:52:19,367 --> 00:52:22,834
we're getting MultiSpectral
imagery and the regular RGB.
1213
00:52:22,967 --> 00:52:26,300
- Until now, no one has ever
used this technology here.
1214
00:52:26,433 --> 00:52:27,767
Whatever we find,
1215
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:30,166
we'll know more about this
place than anyone ever has.
1216
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:31,567
♪ ♪
1217
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:32,900
- We want to look
for unnatural features.
1218
00:52:33,033 --> 00:52:35,834
We want to look for
straight lines and that impact
1219
00:52:35,967 --> 00:52:37,500
and then that skid mark
kind of thing, so--
1220
00:52:37,633 --> 00:52:39,033
- Mm-hmm.
1221
00:52:39,166 --> 00:52:44,700
- So that commonly thought spot
is just down in this area.
1222
00:52:44,834 --> 00:52:46,400
Fishburne: Archaeologist
Bill Doleman
1223
00:52:46,533 --> 00:52:47,934
gives the geophysicists
1224
00:52:48,066 --> 00:52:51,000
some never-before-seen
images of the area.
1225
00:52:51,133 --> 00:52:53,533
By comparing an aerial
photograph of the terrain
1226
00:52:53,667 --> 00:52:56,600
taken just months
before the Roswell incident
1227
00:52:56,734 --> 00:52:59,200
to one taken
seven years later,
1228
00:52:59,333 --> 00:53:01,400
the team can identify
distinct changes.
1229
00:53:01,533 --> 00:53:03,000
♪ ♪
1230
00:53:03,133 --> 00:53:05,300
- Look at that.
- Wow, that is--
1231
00:53:05,433 --> 00:53:08,233
- Here's the original location
of interest.
1232
00:53:08,367 --> 00:53:13,533
Then, there's a big linear
feature we're interested in.
1233
00:53:13,667 --> 00:53:16,700
♪ ♪
1234
00:53:16,834 --> 00:53:18,900
Fishburne: Just 800 meters
from where Jesse Marcel
1235
00:53:19,033 --> 00:53:20,433
examined the debris,
1236
00:53:20,567 --> 00:53:22,834
the 1954 photos shows
1237
00:53:22,967 --> 00:53:26,734
what could be several long
furrows carved into the earth.
1238
00:53:26,867 --> 00:53:28,900
♪ ♪
1239
00:53:29,033 --> 00:53:31,300
- There are delineations
in the soil that--
1240
00:53:31,433 --> 00:53:34,600
from a northwestern
to a southeastern direction,
1241
00:53:34,734 --> 00:53:37,300
that match witness
descriptions of something
1242
00:53:37,433 --> 00:53:38,767
falling from the sky,
1243
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,834
hitting the Earth, skipping,
and scattering debris.
1244
00:53:40,967 --> 00:53:43,233
That's what we see
in--in the aerial footage.
1245
00:53:43,367 --> 00:53:45,100
♪ ♪
1246
00:53:45,233 --> 00:53:48,500
I want to throw everything
we've got now at that new site.
1247
00:53:48,633 --> 00:53:49,934
I mean, what can we bring
1248
00:53:50,066 --> 00:53:54,467
to exploit this--these linear
features here?
1249
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,734
- Well, we'll send the drone
over there, for sure.
1250
00:53:56,867 --> 00:53:58,967
Fishburne: If the team can
show something with more force
1251
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,834
and velocity than
a weather balloon hit here,
1252
00:54:01,967 --> 00:54:03,567
it would be a major discovery.
1253
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:06,467
[motors buzzing]
1254
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:07,867
♪ ♪
1255
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,433
- Any time there's differences
in soil, um,
1256
00:54:10,567 --> 00:54:12,367
different vegetation
can arise,
1257
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:13,967
and if there's something
1258
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:15,633
that doesn't look natural
in the vegetation
1259
00:54:15,767 --> 00:54:17,533
that we pick up
in the MultiSpectral,
1260
00:54:17,667 --> 00:54:18,800
we'll see that very well.
1261
00:54:18,934 --> 00:54:20,867
So the drone
is going back and forth,
1262
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,300
taking thousands of photos...
- Oh, cool.
1263
00:54:23,433 --> 00:54:25,633
- Across parallel lines
across the whole site.
1264
00:54:25,767 --> 00:54:26,600
- Yeah.
1265
00:54:26,734 --> 00:54:32,800
♪ ♪
1266
00:54:32,934 --> 00:54:34,633
- So here we have
the aerial photography
1267
00:54:34,767 --> 00:54:36,033
collected by the drone...
- Yeah.
1268
00:54:36,166 --> 00:54:37,967
- On the entire site.
- Yeah.
1269
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:41,300
- Then, we can turn on
the MultiSpectral imagery.
1270
00:54:41,433 --> 00:54:45,133
So we have--the reds are little
to no vegetation.
1271
00:54:45,266 --> 00:54:46,333
- Uh-huh.
1272
00:54:46,467 --> 00:54:49,033
- Blue is gonna be kind
of dense vegetation,
1273
00:54:49,166 --> 00:54:51,834
and kinda everything
in between.
1274
00:54:51,967 --> 00:54:53,600
Fishburne: But after hours
of searching,
1275
00:54:53,734 --> 00:54:56,400
the team gets
disappointing news.
1276
00:54:56,533 --> 00:54:57,367
- At the moment,
1277
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:58,734
we're not picking up
1278
00:54:58,867 --> 00:55:02,133
any, uh, distinct feature
near the furrow.
1279
00:55:02,266 --> 00:55:03,433
♪ ♪
1280
00:55:03,567 --> 00:55:05,633
- So the MutliSpectral imaging
1281
00:55:05,767 --> 00:55:08,400
didn't really show us
any anomalies,
1282
00:55:08,533 --> 00:55:10,033
other than trenches
that we've already dug.
1283
00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:12,233
- Yeah, nothing that can't be
unexplained at the moment.
1284
00:55:12,367 --> 00:55:13,734
- Yeah.
1285
00:55:13,867 --> 00:55:15,433
Fishburne: The team concludes
the archival image
1286
00:55:15,567 --> 00:55:17,367
had a defect.
1287
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:19,400
- What else can we throw
at that--that puzzle
1288
00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:20,867
to figure out what happened?
1289
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,900
- Really, what we have right
now is surface information.
1290
00:55:24,033 --> 00:55:25,533
So we need to get boots
on the ground,
1291
00:55:25,667 --> 00:55:27,934
get sub-surface information.
1292
00:55:28,066 --> 00:55:31,734
Fishburne: Next, Colin Miasga
will use a magnetometer,
1293
00:55:31,867 --> 00:55:33,567
a tool that can detect changes
1294
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:35,767
in the Earth's magnetic field.
1295
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,700
- So if something really hot
hit the Earth
1296
00:55:38,834 --> 00:55:42,367
and heated up
the surrounding soil,
1297
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:44,000
it basically hits
the reset button
1298
00:55:44,133 --> 00:55:46,467
on the Earth's magnetic field
of that soil,
1299
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,266
and it'll take on the Earth's
magnetic field at the time
1300
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,900
as it cools back down.
1301
00:55:52,033 --> 00:55:55,967
So this thing is gonna pick up
anything with iron, magnetite.
1302
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:58,467
- And then what else do you
have left in your toolbox?
1303
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,800
- Uh, we've got--we've got
the ground-penetrating radar.
1304
00:56:00,934 --> 00:56:02,033
- Okay.
1305
00:56:02,166 --> 00:56:04,633
- And the gamma ray
spectrometer
1306
00:56:04,767 --> 00:56:06,967
to measure
for radioactive material.
1307
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:08,433
[clicking]
1308
00:56:08,567 --> 00:56:11,934
So anything that's been in
really high altitude or space
1309
00:56:12,066 --> 00:56:14,333
is gonna be exposed
to a lot more radiation,
1310
00:56:14,467 --> 00:56:17,166
and that radiation is gonna
stay with that material,
1311
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:19,133
and then it's gonna give
a strong signature
1312
00:56:19,266 --> 00:56:20,400
when it hits the ground,
1313
00:56:20,533 --> 00:56:21,633
and it's gonna
stay there forever.
1314
00:56:21,767 --> 00:56:24,667
[clicking]
1315
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:31,767
♪ ♪
1316
00:56:32,767 --> 00:56:35,066
Fishburne: Colin hopes to pick
up a strong magnetic signal
1317
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,467
in the vicinity
where rancher Mack Brazel
1318
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,166
first came across the debris.
1319
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:42,834
♪ ♪
1320
00:56:42,967 --> 00:56:47,266
- It's enough metal to
basically max out the sensor.
1321
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,533
We did find interesting
anomaly.
1322
00:56:49,667 --> 00:56:51,166
As we were walking around,
1323
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:52,800
I was doing
the magnetometer survey.
1324
00:56:52,934 --> 00:56:54,667
So now,
this is the magnetometer.
1325
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,000
But see all these high spots?
1326
00:56:57,133 --> 00:56:58,467
Those are all the metal pins
in the ground.
1327
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,900
They're really,
really high responses.
1328
00:57:01,033 --> 00:57:03,266
The most interesting thing
was something up here.
1329
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,367
Definitely an interesting
magnetic anomaly
1330
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:07,033
that I want to investigate.
1331
00:57:07,166 --> 00:57:11,200
- So could this be one of those
instances where the heat
1332
00:57:11,333 --> 00:57:13,467
of an impact could change
1333
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,100
the magnetism of the soil
around it or beneath it?
1334
00:57:16,233 --> 00:57:18,500
- Potentially.
Yeah, absolutely.
1335
00:57:18,633 --> 00:57:20,433
Fishburne: Many hours
into their search,
1336
00:57:20,567 --> 00:57:23,133
Colin finds
something exciting:
1337
00:57:23,266 --> 00:57:24,367
a patch of ground
1338
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:27,567
with unusually
high magnetic readings.
1339
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:30,066
It's an anomaly that could
provide groundbreaking
1340
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,533
new evidence
of what crashed here.
1341
00:57:32,667 --> 00:57:34,400
- So given its possible depth,
1342
00:57:34,533 --> 00:57:37,233
does that age it out
of our 70-year time span?
1343
00:57:37,367 --> 00:57:39,533
- I won't be able to say
until we start digging,
1344
00:57:39,667 --> 00:57:40,700
and--and that's--
I'm gonna leave that
1345
00:57:40,834 --> 00:57:41,800
to the archaeologists
1346
00:57:41,934 --> 00:57:44,734
to--to start dating
as--as they dig down.
1347
00:57:44,867 --> 00:57:47,700
So this was one
of the high points,
1348
00:57:47,834 --> 00:57:51,400
hovering between 10,
15 nanoteslas per meter.
1349
00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:53,867
Fishburne: Colin marks
the perimeters of the anomaly
1350
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,900
so that archaeologist
Esperanza Juarez
1351
00:57:57,033 --> 00:57:58,533
can collect soil samples
1352
00:57:58,667 --> 00:58:00,867
to analyze
for radiation traces.
1353
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,600
♪ ♪
1354
00:58:02,734 --> 00:58:05,934
- Run your line
along the major axis.
1355
00:58:06,066 --> 00:58:09,266
Definitely hitting
right over top of this spot.
1356
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,333
- So the flags here outline
1357
00:58:13,467 --> 00:58:14,567
the general shape
of the anomaly?
1358
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:16,900
- Exactly, and I don't know.
1359
00:58:17,033 --> 00:58:18,300
Conveniently enough,
1360
00:58:18,433 --> 00:58:22,767
it's the same orientation
as Bill's original furrow.
1361
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:25,600
If we keep the UFO
crash site in mind,
1362
00:58:25,734 --> 00:58:28,100
it's like, something hit here,
1363
00:58:28,233 --> 00:58:30,000
maybe there was slightly
more minerals
1364
00:58:30,133 --> 00:58:32,633
that could become
magnetized in this area,
1365
00:58:32,767 --> 00:58:34,500
and then as it kind of skidded,
1366
00:58:34,633 --> 00:58:37,300
it still was hot enough
to cause that magnetization,
1367
00:58:37,433 --> 00:58:41,767
but maybe there's just slightly
less particles in that spot,
1368
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,567
so there's a slightly
weaker signature.
1369
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:45,233
♪ ♪
1370
00:58:45,367 --> 00:58:46,667
[hammer clanging]
1371
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:47,867
Fishburne: After stringing
a grid
1372
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,500
across the site
of the anomaly,
1373
00:58:49,633 --> 00:58:52,233
Esperanza beings her work,
1374
00:58:52,367 --> 00:58:53,767
collecting a range of samples
1375
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:56,033
and documenting
the location of each.
1376
00:58:56,166 --> 00:58:59,066
♪ ♪
1377
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,633
- So the strongest signature
was over
1378
00:59:00,767 --> 00:59:01,800
in this square right here?
1379
00:59:01,934 --> 00:59:03,300
- Yes.
- Okay.
1380
00:59:03,433 --> 00:59:06,166
- And then plus I've
also taken a soil sample.
1381
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:07,800
Fishburne: The team wants
to rule out
1382
00:59:07,934 --> 00:59:09,333
routine earthly causes
1383
00:59:09,467 --> 00:59:11,166
for the anomaly.
1384
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:13,333
- No clear signs
of a campfire or,
1385
00:59:13,467 --> 00:59:16,700
like, a prehistoric site
or anything like that?
1386
00:59:16,834 --> 00:59:17,967
- No.
- Yeah.
1387
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:22,300
- So we've eliminated
a volcanic, uh, anomaly.
1388
00:59:22,433 --> 00:59:24,033
- That's out.
There's just no volcanic--
1389
00:59:24,166 --> 00:59:26,033
- We've eliminated
a campfire anomaly?
1390
00:59:26,166 --> 00:59:27,533
- Yes. There's no fire hearth.
1391
00:59:27,667 --> 00:59:30,200
- So we're still looking
at that--the most
1392
00:59:30,333 --> 00:59:32,400
likely candidate
for this anomaly right now
1393
00:59:32,533 --> 00:59:36,367
is the remnant magnetization
due to heat.
1394
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:39,133
- The soil will be able
to tell you the time frame.
1395
00:59:39,266 --> 00:59:40,633
♪ ♪
1396
00:59:40,767 --> 00:59:42,800
- So the idea is that
we test the soil,
1397
00:59:42,934 --> 00:59:47,200
and if the magnetism
of that soil matches 1947,
1398
00:59:47,333 --> 00:59:49,066
then we know
that something--potentially
1399
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,567
an impact--
froze its signature to 1947.
1400
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:53,567
- Yeah.
1401
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:55,867
♪ ♪
1402
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,467
Fishburne: The soil
and rock samples
1403
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,667
will be sent to a lab
where they will be analyzed
1404
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,600
to see if they contain metals
not from this area,
1405
01:00:02,734 --> 01:00:05,433
and possibly
not from this world.
1406
01:00:05,567 --> 01:00:06,867
♪ ♪
1407
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,033
Coming up...
1408
01:00:09,166 --> 01:00:12,500
- This might be that piece
of the puzzle.
1409
01:00:12,633 --> 01:00:15,567
- What did Jesse Marcel
never tell the public?
1410
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:17,000
Does the journal
1411
01:00:17,133 --> 01:00:19,734
that once belonged
to him contain coded clues?
1412
01:00:19,867 --> 01:00:24,000
- It is written like
three sevens attached.
1413
01:00:24,133 --> 01:00:26,700
Fishburne: If it was a weather
balloon that crashed,
1414
01:00:26,834 --> 01:00:28,133
why was this man's father
1415
01:00:28,266 --> 01:00:31,300
forced to hand
over the debris he kept?
1416
01:00:31,433 --> 01:00:32,867
- Two guys that showed up
in a car,
1417
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,033
and they said
they weren't gonna take it,
1418
01:00:35,166 --> 01:00:36,867
but they weren't leaving
without it.
1419
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,734
♪ ♪
1420
01:00:44,533 --> 01:00:47,400
[dramatic music]
1421
01:00:47,533 --> 01:00:54,500
♪ ♪
1422
01:00:56,467 --> 01:00:58,333
Fishburne: While he waits
for the soil analysis
1423
01:00:58,467 --> 01:00:59,800
to be completed,
1424
01:00:59,934 --> 01:01:03,233
Ben goes to visit
the grandson of Mack Brazel,
1425
01:01:03,367 --> 01:01:05,066
the rancher who took his sheep
into the field
1426
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,233
looking for water,
but found crash debris.
1427
01:01:08,367 --> 01:01:09,934
It was Mack who alerted
the military and,
1428
01:01:10,066 --> 01:01:11,367
according to local legend,
1429
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,266
was then detained
and threatened to keep quiet.
1430
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,667
♪ ♪
1431
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,867
Joe Brazel lives
a few miles outside of Roswell
1432
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,433
and has avoided journalists
and researchers for years.
1433
01:01:22,567 --> 01:01:23,934
- Hello.
1434
01:01:24,066 --> 01:01:26,567
Fishburne: With no proof about
what crashed--spaceship,
1435
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:29,166
weather balloon,
or something else--
1436
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:31,900
Ben believes Joe might
have a piece of the puzzle
1437
01:01:32,033 --> 01:01:34,767
that could help unravel
the mystery of Roswell.
1438
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:36,600
♪ ♪
1439
01:01:36,734 --> 01:01:40,266
- Thanks for taking the time
to meet with me.
1440
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,567
Joe rarely talks about
how the Roswell incident
1441
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:46,867
impacted his family,
but he's agreed to meet me.
1442
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,834
The Roswell incident recently
has popped up in my research
1443
01:01:50,967 --> 01:01:53,900
as one of the more credible
phenomena to investigate,
1444
01:01:54,033 --> 01:01:56,800
and, um, in particular,
1445
01:01:56,934 --> 01:01:59,700
the first people
to encounter the debris
1446
01:01:59,834 --> 01:02:01,266
on the field--your grandfather,
1447
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,800
Mack, um, being the, you know,
patient zero,
1448
01:02:04,934 --> 01:02:06,400
the first person to...
- Right.
1449
01:02:06,533 --> 01:02:08,133
- To encounter this debris,
1450
01:02:08,266 --> 01:02:10,700
uh, makes people close to him
1451
01:02:10,834 --> 01:02:12,934
especially important
to the investigation,
1452
01:02:13,066 --> 01:02:15,633
and I would love to hear
about some of the details
1453
01:02:15,767 --> 01:02:17,300
you inherited from your father
1454
01:02:17,433 --> 01:02:21,066
and from your--your
grandfather, Mack.
1455
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,400
- Well, everything I heard
was from my dad.
1456
01:02:23,533 --> 01:02:24,467
- Okay.
1457
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,266
- You know, he told me
what he knew
1458
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,433
and--and what he
experienced with it
1459
01:02:29,567 --> 01:02:32,233
and then, you know,
what had--Mack, you know,
1460
01:02:32,367 --> 01:02:36,400
the few things he said after
he came back from Roswell.
1461
01:02:36,533 --> 01:02:40,467
I think if you really want
to hear what my dad had to say,
1462
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,100
you know, we have a clip
that you can watch, you know,
1463
01:02:43,233 --> 01:02:45,467
and then we can talk a little
bit more about it after that.
1464
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,500
- Yeah, absolutely.
I'd love to hear.
1465
01:02:47,633 --> 01:02:50,800
♪ ♪
1466
01:02:50,934 --> 01:02:54,367
Fishburne: Joe Brazel's dad,
Bill, was Mack's son.
1467
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:58,667
He was interviewed in 1989
by Japanese television.
1468
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,033
- I was not out at the ranch
at the time.
1469
01:03:02,166 --> 01:03:04,433
And I picked up
an Albuquerque paper,
1470
01:03:04,567 --> 01:03:07,633
and here's my dad's picture
looking at me,
1471
01:03:07,767 --> 01:03:10,533
and I thought, "Well,
I wonder what he's done now."
1472
01:03:10,667 --> 01:03:12,033
♪ ♪
1473
01:03:12,166 --> 01:03:14,367
- My dad was living
in Albuquerque,
1474
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:15,967
and once he found out
about it,
1475
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:17,367
well, he went to the ranch,
1476
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:20,000
because he knew
that his dad was gone,
1477
01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:21,233
and he went down there
1478
01:03:21,367 --> 01:03:23,767
to actually take care
of the stock,
1479
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:26,166
and the Army
had it blocked off.
1480
01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:28,867
They had a detachment out
there picking up the pieces
1481
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,133
and everything
and, uh, wouldn't let him in.
1482
01:03:32,266 --> 01:03:34,867
- The Air Force had asked him
to stay in Roswell.
1483
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,500
♪ ♪
1484
01:03:36,633 --> 01:03:39,633
And I went out to the ranch
and stayed until he got back.
1485
01:03:40,667 --> 01:03:46,166
And I asked him
what he'd got into,
1486
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:50,800
and oh, he says,
"I found a bunch of trash,"
1487
01:03:50,934 --> 01:03:53,266
and, uh--
1488
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,300
and I kept asking
him questions,
1489
01:03:55,433 --> 01:03:58,133
and he said, "Well," he said,
1490
01:03:58,266 --> 01:04:00,533
"I told the Air Force
I wouldn't tell anybody."
1491
01:04:00,667 --> 01:04:03,166
He said, "You're probably
better off without knowing."
1492
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:05,300
♪ ♪
1493
01:04:05,433 --> 01:04:07,100
- After the Army
did their thing
1494
01:04:07,233 --> 01:04:09,367
and, you know,
dad was down there helping Mack
1495
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:12,066
on the ranch, you know,
the rainstorms or whatever.
1496
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,600
They'd be riding,
they'd see a little piece,
1497
01:04:14,734 --> 01:04:16,066
and he'd pick it up.
1498
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,533
- So then, of course,
riding horseback,
1499
01:04:18,667 --> 01:04:20,767
you see lots of things,
you know,
1500
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:23,900
and I picked up a few scraps,
1501
01:04:24,033 --> 01:04:28,633
and, uh--that the Army
hadn't--hadn't picked up.
1502
01:04:28,767 --> 01:04:30,800
♪ ♪
1503
01:04:30,934 --> 01:04:34,233
And I made--I'd bring them
in my chaps pocket
1504
01:04:34,367 --> 01:04:38,266
and put them in a cigar box
down at the barn.
1505
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,333
- His, uh, description of some
of the stuff is like tinfoil,
1506
01:04:41,467 --> 01:04:45,066
but it was, you know,
just a lot tougher.
1507
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,066
- When you bend it over,
like a crease,
1508
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,433
and it straightened
right back out.
1509
01:04:50,567 --> 01:04:52,767
- This is the way
my dad put it to me:
1510
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:57,467
it's material that he'd never
saw before or ever saw again.
1511
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,633
♪ ♪
1512
01:04:59,767 --> 01:05:00,867
Fishburne: Bill Brazel's
decision
1513
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,266
to collect his own souvenirs
1514
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,834
eventually brought
the military to his door,
1515
01:05:04,967 --> 01:05:07,266
just as it had
with his father.
1516
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,700
The debris was confiscated,
1517
01:05:08,834 --> 01:05:10,800
and military police told him
to keep quiet
1518
01:05:10,934 --> 01:05:12,834
about what he knew
and had seen
1519
01:05:12,967 --> 01:05:14,433
or he would face arrest.
1520
01:05:14,567 --> 01:05:16,900
♪ ♪
1521
01:05:17,033 --> 01:05:19,967
- The debris that he had
collected was confiscated...
1522
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:21,567
- Yeah.
- By the, uh--
1523
01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:24,300
by the military police,
or somebody from the base.
1524
01:05:24,433 --> 01:05:26,166
- Yeah.
He just said two guys in a car.
1525
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:28,767
- Two guys in a car.
- That's all he ever told me.
1526
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:30,100
- Yeah.
1527
01:05:30,233 --> 01:05:31,834
- He didn't say whether
they were government.
1528
01:05:31,967 --> 01:05:34,133
He just said that there was two
guys that showed up in a car,
1529
01:05:34,266 --> 01:05:36,934
and they said that
they weren't gonna take it,
1530
01:05:37,066 --> 01:05:38,433
but they weren't leaving
without it.
1531
01:05:38,567 --> 01:05:39,934
- Did they ever
identify themselves?
1532
01:05:40,066 --> 01:05:41,066
- No.
1533
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:42,600
- Well, that's--
1534
01:05:42,734 --> 01:05:45,200
- You know, and the other thing
you gotta understand is--
1535
01:05:45,333 --> 01:05:47,800
is that Mack gave his word
he wouldn't talk about it.
1536
01:05:47,934 --> 01:05:49,100
- Mm-hmm.
1537
01:05:49,233 --> 01:05:51,633
- You know, and his dad,
if he gave his word,
1538
01:05:51,767 --> 01:05:53,734
that kind of extended
to him as well.
1539
01:05:53,867 --> 01:05:55,066
- Right.
1540
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,467
♪ ♪
1541
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,900
I don't mean to misinterpret
your father's claims,
1542
01:06:01,033 --> 01:06:02,500
but I did want to ask,
1543
01:06:02,633 --> 01:06:04,200
was there anything ever
in your life
1544
01:06:04,333 --> 01:06:06,467
that would make you question
what your dad saw?
1545
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,400
- No.
- Nothing about his character?
1546
01:06:08,533 --> 01:06:12,900
Nothing about his mental
stability or his emotions?
1547
01:06:13,033 --> 01:06:14,400
- No.
- Okay.
1548
01:06:14,533 --> 01:06:18,200
- I like to explain my dad
this way, and myself:
1549
01:06:18,333 --> 01:06:20,834
what you see is what you get.
- Mm-hmm.
1550
01:06:20,967 --> 01:06:23,200
- He's not gonna tell you
something to your face
1551
01:06:23,333 --> 01:06:26,834
that isn't true or,
you know, tell you something
1552
01:06:26,967 --> 01:06:28,900
and then go tell
somebody else something else.
1553
01:06:29,033 --> 01:06:30,734
- Right.
Yeah.
1554
01:06:30,867 --> 01:06:33,166
There's RUMINT--what's called
rumored intelligence,
1555
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:37,500
as we say in the business--
that Mack or Bill, your dad,
1556
01:06:37,633 --> 01:06:40,000
hid some of the material
on their property,
1557
01:06:40,133 --> 01:06:43,066
and some might even claim here,
on this property.
1558
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,000
♪ ♪
1559
01:06:45,133 --> 01:06:46,333
Fishburne: One of the most
persistent rumors
1560
01:06:46,467 --> 01:06:47,900
about Joe's father is that,
1561
01:06:48,033 --> 01:06:50,066
despite surrendering
the cigar box,
1562
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,533
he managed to hide
a few shards of the wreckage
1563
01:06:52,667 --> 01:06:54,000
somewhere on this property.
1564
01:06:54,133 --> 01:06:55,767
♪ ♪
1565
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:57,066
- Just to get a little
more specific,
1566
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,066
I think there was a claim
at one point
1567
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,066
that, um, there was perhaps
some debris buried
1568
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,200
under a cement slab
on the old Brazel property.
1569
01:07:06,333 --> 01:07:08,633
- Yeah.
- And I wanted to know,
1570
01:07:08,767 --> 01:07:10,633
is there any truth
to that story?
1571
01:07:10,767 --> 01:07:13,233
- Why I don't just show you
where that slab is?
1572
01:07:13,367 --> 01:07:15,066
- Lead the way.
1573
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,567
- If Joe still has a piece
of what he believes his dad
1574
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:18,934
took from the debris field,
1575
01:07:19,066 --> 01:07:21,433
it could be
a bombshell development.
1576
01:07:21,567 --> 01:07:25,500
- They hid it underneath
this house right here.
1577
01:07:25,633 --> 01:07:29,967
♪ ♪
1578
01:07:33,533 --> 01:07:36,400
[dramatic music]
1579
01:07:36,533 --> 01:07:39,433
♪ ♪
1580
01:07:39,567 --> 01:07:41,300
Fishburne: Investigator
Ben Smith is meeting
1581
01:07:41,433 --> 01:07:42,567
with Joe Brazel,
1582
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:45,233
the reclusive grandson
of Mack Brazel,
1583
01:07:45,367 --> 01:07:47,567
the rancher who first stumbled
upon the mysterious
1584
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:49,734
crash debris at Roswell,
1585
01:07:49,867 --> 01:07:51,533
but never spoke publicly
1586
01:07:51,667 --> 01:07:53,867
about how the Army
threatened him into silence.
1587
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,500
- He said he gave his word
that he wouldn't talk about it,
1588
01:07:56,633 --> 01:07:59,767
and he said very little
about it after that.
1589
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:02,433
Fishburne: Jesse Marcel
also never disclosed
1590
01:08:02,567 --> 01:08:04,066
everything he'd seen
1591
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,467
or the full story
of the cover-up.
1592
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,600
- They hid it
underneath this house.
1593
01:08:08,734 --> 01:08:10,900
Fishburne: Meanwhile,
back in New York,
1594
01:08:11,033 --> 01:08:14,667
handwriting expert
Jennifer Naso is doing a test
1595
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,200
to try and authenticate
the journal that belonged
1596
01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:22,166
to Marcel and could contain
the secrets of Roswell.
1597
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:24,900
- This is the journal
I was given
1598
01:08:25,033 --> 01:08:28,233
as a question document
to compare the handwriting
1599
01:08:28,367 --> 01:08:31,700
of Jesse Marcel,
but it's not just handwriting.
1600
01:08:31,834 --> 01:08:33,367
I'm looking at a lot
of elements
1601
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:35,500
to help try
to solve this puzzle.
1602
01:08:35,633 --> 01:08:38,133
The first thing I do
is I look at the paper.
1603
01:08:38,266 --> 01:08:39,734
♪ ♪
1604
01:08:39,867 --> 01:08:42,300
I use specialized equipment
in order to analyze
1605
01:08:42,433 --> 01:08:45,767
to see what might be
in the paper,
1606
01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:48,934
and that might help
to date the document.
1607
01:08:49,066 --> 01:08:51,400
I then look under
my microscope
1608
01:08:51,533 --> 01:08:54,200
and determine what type
of writing instrument
1609
01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:55,834
was used to create
this document.
1610
01:08:55,967 --> 01:08:58,100
♪ ♪
1611
01:08:58,233 --> 01:09:00,834
In order to conduct
a handwriting analysis,
1612
01:09:00,967 --> 01:09:03,934
I do a side-by-side comparison
between the question
1613
01:09:04,066 --> 01:09:06,100
and the known--
in this particular case,
1614
01:09:06,233 --> 01:09:08,467
Jesse Marcel--
and determine whether or not
1615
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,500
there are similarities
or differences.
1616
01:09:10,633 --> 01:09:13,533
For example, the formation
of the lowercase P
1617
01:09:13,667 --> 01:09:16,300
had a very tall
introduction stroke,
1618
01:09:16,433 --> 01:09:18,867
which dropped down
below the baseline
1619
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,166
and then wrapped around
to form the bowl of the P,
1620
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:24,867
and that P is found
throughout the entirety
1621
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,967
of the question document.
1622
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:28,333
♪ ♪
1623
01:09:28,467 --> 01:09:29,934
Fishburne: Jennifer Naso
is trying to determine
1624
01:09:30,066 --> 01:09:32,834
whether the journal
is genuine or fake,
1625
01:09:32,967 --> 01:09:35,800
the first step before decoding
its meaning to learn
1626
01:09:35,934 --> 01:09:38,734
if it might change
what we know about Roswell.
1627
01:09:38,867 --> 01:09:41,800
♪ ♪
1628
01:09:41,934 --> 01:09:43,333
Back in New Mexico...
1629
01:09:43,467 --> 01:09:45,734
- So tell me a little bit more
about this house here.
1630
01:09:45,867 --> 01:09:50,867
- This house was built in 1902,
so it's kind of in rough shape.
1631
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,633
Fishburne: Smith has reached
what he hopes will be
1632
01:09:52,767 --> 01:09:54,500
the most interesting
part of his visit.
1633
01:09:54,633 --> 01:09:57,166
- I asked Joe about the rumor
that there might still be
1634
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:59,467
some debris hidden
on his property.
1635
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,166
The story goes that
Bill Brazel, Joe's dad,
1636
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:06,200
might have kept some
of the debris as souvenirs.
1637
01:10:06,333 --> 01:10:08,400
Some researchers have claimed
that your father or Mack
1638
01:10:08,533 --> 01:10:10,266
might have buried something
1639
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,166
or hidden it under
a cement slab.
1640
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:14,700
- Yeah, well,
I can show you right here.
1641
01:10:14,834 --> 01:10:16,667
This is--this is where
the rumor was,
1642
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,266
that this house--they hid it
underneath this house,
1643
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:26,533
and as you can see right here,
there is no foundation.
1644
01:10:26,667 --> 01:10:29,266
There is no cement slab
under this house.
1645
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,200
- Yeah, looks just like dirt
under there.
1646
01:10:31,333 --> 01:10:32,367
- It is.
- Yep.
1647
01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:35,834
- In fact, when this house
was first built, uh,
1648
01:10:35,967 --> 01:10:38,633
of course, they put
the hardwood floors in,
1649
01:10:38,767 --> 01:10:41,967
but this was built on the dirt.
1650
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:46,233
The only slab that was ever
put in this house,
1651
01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:48,033
as far as, uh--
1652
01:10:48,166 --> 01:10:52,567
is this rock slab right here
for the old fireplace.
1653
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:54,433
- Yeah.
- And that's it,
1654
01:10:54,567 --> 01:10:55,767
and there's nothing
under there.
1655
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:56,867
That's--that's on dirt.
1656
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,834
It's--it's been there
since 1902,
1657
01:10:59,967 --> 01:11:01,567
long before the UFO.
1658
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:03,066
- Yeah.
- I can put the rumor
1659
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,233
to rest that there's
nothing underneath
1660
01:11:05,367 --> 01:11:06,633
the cement slab here, 'cause...
1661
01:11:06,767 --> 01:11:08,834
- Yeah.
- There is no cement slab.
1662
01:11:08,967 --> 01:11:11,367
♪ ♪
1663
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:13,867
There's no truth
to their rumor whatsoever.
1664
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,867
When they took that
cigar box he had,
1665
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,700
they took everything he had.
1666
01:11:17,834 --> 01:11:19,400
I guarantee,
1667
01:11:19,533 --> 01:11:21,967
if there had been something
buried underneath this house,
1668
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:25,033
my dad would have dug it up
a long time ago.
1669
01:11:25,166 --> 01:11:27,266
- How do you think the rumor
about debris hidden
1670
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,100
under this cement slab
1671
01:11:29,233 --> 01:11:32,133
that is not here, uh,
sort of impacted
1672
01:11:32,266 --> 01:11:33,600
the way your--your dad
approached the story?
1673
01:11:33,734 --> 01:11:37,567
- What it did was it put a fear
into him that--that, you know,
1674
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:39,400
something might happen
to one of his family members.
1675
01:11:39,533 --> 01:11:40,734
- Yeah.
1676
01:11:40,867 --> 01:11:42,700
- Because they--you know,
they focus on the monetary...
1677
01:11:42,834 --> 01:11:43,667
- Mm-hmm.
1678
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,100
- And think he has
a piece of it,
1679
01:11:45,233 --> 01:11:46,700
and it's worth so much money.
1680
01:11:46,834 --> 01:11:48,734
- Right.
- You know, and then--
1681
01:11:48,867 --> 01:11:51,567
so he got real reluctant
about talking about it,
1682
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:53,767
and therefore you don't really
get at the truth,
1683
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:57,934
because you're always trying
to fight and debunk the rumors.
1684
01:11:58,066 --> 01:11:59,166
- You've confirmed
a lot of things for me
1685
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:00,600
that I think
is pretty fascinating:
1686
01:12:00,734 --> 01:12:03,667
one, the integrity
and the quality of the person
1687
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,767
that your father
and your grandfather--
1688
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:07,166
- Yeah.
1689
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:09,500
- The people that they were,
and, uh, two, that--you know,
1690
01:12:09,633 --> 01:12:11,800
you've confirmed some things
in the timeline for me
1691
01:12:11,934 --> 01:12:15,166
that make me think
that it's reasonable for me
1692
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:18,300
to continue the search,
continue to use resources.
1693
01:12:18,433 --> 01:12:19,500
- Well, something happened.
1694
01:12:19,633 --> 01:12:21,433
'Cause they spent
a lot of money
1695
01:12:21,567 --> 01:12:23,133
trying to figure out
what happened,
1696
01:12:23,266 --> 01:12:27,133
and they spent a lot of money
hiding what really did happen.
1697
01:12:27,266 --> 01:12:29,834
- Is there any other
information that I could use
1698
01:12:29,967 --> 01:12:31,734
to help me in my--
in my investigation
1699
01:12:31,867 --> 01:12:33,700
to get--to get
to that ground-level truth?
1700
01:12:33,834 --> 01:12:34,934
♪ ♪
1701
01:12:35,066 --> 01:12:36,767
- There's some other people
you can talk to,
1702
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:40,600
but I don't feel comfortable
telling you on camera.
1703
01:12:40,734 --> 01:12:41,900
- Okay.
1704
01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:44,767
Would you mind, uh, typing
their names into my phone
1705
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:45,967
so at least I can--
- I'll give you--
1706
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:47,200
I'll give you one name.
1707
01:12:47,333 --> 01:12:52,834
♪ ♪
1708
01:12:52,967 --> 01:12:55,667
Fishburne: Joe Brazel doesn't
have any crash debris,
1709
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,667
but he does have
something else:
1710
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,233
the name of someone Ben Smith
has never heard of,
1711
01:13:00,367 --> 01:13:01,734
someone Smith hopes
1712
01:13:01,867 --> 01:13:04,800
can bring this investigation
closer to the truth.
1713
01:13:04,934 --> 01:13:06,400
♪ ♪
1714
01:13:06,533 --> 01:13:07,900
Coming up...
1715
01:13:08,033 --> 01:13:11,200
- Has anybody that you know
found a piece of this debris?
1716
01:13:11,333 --> 01:13:12,367
- I do know of a man
1717
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:16,900
who supposedly had
several pieces of debris.
1718
01:13:17,033 --> 01:13:20,867
♪ ♪
1719
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,467
[dramatic music]
1720
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:34,266
♪ ♪
1721
01:13:35,333 --> 01:13:36,667
Fishburne: Following up
on a promising lead
1722
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:37,967
from Joe Brazel,
1723
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:40,100
Ben Smith is on his way
to a senior center
1724
01:13:40,233 --> 01:13:41,300
in the farming community
1725
01:13:41,433 --> 01:13:44,100
closest to where
the debris was found.
1726
01:13:44,233 --> 01:13:47,100
He hopes the local residents
who gather for lunch every day
1727
01:13:47,233 --> 01:13:49,567
will have memories
they'd be willing to share.
1728
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:52,834
- Well, I've got all
the village elders
1729
01:13:52,967 --> 01:13:54,433
around the table here today.
1730
01:13:54,567 --> 01:13:57,266
I wanted to learn a little bit
more about your perspective
1731
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,333
on what happened, you know,
in that early July of 1947.
1732
01:14:01,467 --> 01:14:02,834
- My father-in-law,
1733
01:14:02,967 --> 01:14:06,066
he was on top
of a windmill tower, working,
1734
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,200
and this was about
the same time
1735
01:14:08,333 --> 01:14:11,500
that this supposed incident
happened.
1736
01:14:11,633 --> 01:14:14,367
He said there was something
that came
1737
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:19,767
at him out of the sky,
there was really no noise,
1738
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:22,333
and he was afraid it was fixing
to cut his head off,
1739
01:14:22,467 --> 01:14:24,467
so he went running
down the windmill.
1740
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,133
- Hmm.
1741
01:14:26,266 --> 01:14:27,600
- And he said
it was just a flash.
1742
01:14:27,734 --> 01:14:30,200
It was there, and he just,
like,
1743
01:14:30,333 --> 01:14:31,734
never got out of the way
quick enough,
1744
01:14:31,867 --> 01:14:36,200
and then whenever he looked up,
it was going, gone.
1745
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:39,066
- That's a story that I have
not heard in connection
1746
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,233
to these events before.
1747
01:14:40,367 --> 01:14:41,600
- It hasn't been out...
- Yeah.
1748
01:14:41,734 --> 01:14:42,700
- A whole lot.
1749
01:14:42,834 --> 01:14:44,033
- Yeah.
- But he swore by it.
1750
01:14:44,166 --> 01:14:47,000
And when this man
said something, he...
1751
01:14:47,133 --> 01:14:49,467
- Yeah.
- He was truthful.
1752
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:50,500
- I have a lot of questions.
1753
01:14:50,633 --> 01:14:51,667
There's some characters here
1754
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,300
that are involved
in this incident in 1947.
1755
01:14:54,433 --> 01:14:55,367
Do you remember Mack Brazel?
1756
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:57,367
- I've seen that name.
- Oh, sure.
1757
01:14:57,500 --> 01:14:59,533
That's the one that tell them
about the UFO falling.
1758
01:14:59,667 --> 01:15:00,867
- I remember Mack.
- Oh, you do?
1759
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,200
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah?
1760
01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:03,633
Can you tell me
what you remember about Mack?
1761
01:15:03,767 --> 01:15:05,066
- He was a cowboy.
1762
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,400
Mack had a reputation
for being honest.
1763
01:15:08,533 --> 01:15:10,433
He had a reputation
for working hard.
1764
01:15:10,567 --> 01:15:12,166
♪ ♪
1765
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:15,533
He just was
a hardworking cowboy.
1766
01:15:15,667 --> 01:15:18,033
Fishburne: Sherrill Perkins'
parents owned the drugstore
1767
01:15:18,166 --> 01:15:20,066
from which Mack Brazel
called the sheriff
1768
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,900
to report finding
some strange crash debris
1769
01:15:23,033 --> 01:15:25,200
in his grazing fields.
1770
01:15:25,333 --> 01:15:28,700
- Mack Brazel goes
to the DuBois Pharmacy,
1771
01:15:28,834 --> 01:15:33,734
and he makes the phone call
with your mother, Geraldine.
1772
01:15:33,867 --> 01:15:35,567
Mack calls the sheriff,
and from there,
1773
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:37,066
that's really the first time
1774
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,834
that information
gets transmitted to the public.
1775
01:15:39,967 --> 01:15:42,834
I'm curious whether you
overheard any of these details
1776
01:15:42,967 --> 01:15:45,934
and what you recall from
that whole sequence of events.
1777
01:15:46,066 --> 01:15:49,600
- I remember
conversations about it.
1778
01:15:49,734 --> 01:15:51,867
I probably was not there
when that call was made.
1779
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,200
- Okay.
1780
01:15:53,333 --> 01:15:54,600
- The main thing
that I remember
1781
01:15:54,734 --> 01:15:56,266
my parents talking about
1782
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,266
was they certainly believed
that something happened.
1783
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,200
- Do you recall your mother
ever talking to Mack Brazel
1784
01:16:02,333 --> 01:16:04,266
about what he saw out
in the field?
1785
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,900
- I think that
that did not happen.
1786
01:16:06,033 --> 01:16:07,266
- Oh, really?
1787
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,533
- It would have been natural
for him to have
1788
01:16:09,667 --> 01:16:11,433
followed up with,
1789
01:16:11,567 --> 01:16:15,000
"Yeah, I had to go to Roswell
and stay for three nights,"
1790
01:16:15,133 --> 01:16:18,367
or "Yeah, I did this,"
or "Yeah, I did that."
1791
01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:20,266
He didn't say anything.
1792
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,867
It just didn't stand to reason
1793
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,767
that they wouldn't have
talked about it.
1794
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:26,166
- Right.
- So something happened
1795
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:27,667
after they took him to Roswell.
1796
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,500
- My daddy was
a World War II veteran,
1797
01:16:31,633 --> 01:16:36,667
and when the government says
you don't talk about something,
1798
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,333
you didn't talk about anything,
1799
01:16:39,467 --> 01:16:40,834
and that was my theory
1800
01:16:40,967 --> 01:16:43,934
as to why it
was never talked about.
1801
01:16:44,066 --> 01:16:46,133
- The ethos,
the attitude at the time,
1802
01:16:46,266 --> 01:16:47,300
like you said, was,
1803
01:16:47,433 --> 01:16:49,000
"Look, this is your duty
not to say anything
1804
01:16:49,133 --> 01:16:50,000
"and to follow orders,
1805
01:16:50,133 --> 01:16:52,000
"and so keep your mouth quiet
1806
01:16:52,133 --> 01:16:53,934
about anything that might
have happened here."
1807
01:16:54,066 --> 01:16:55,133
- And the general attitude
1808
01:16:55,266 --> 01:16:57,467
was it was not
a weather balloon.
1809
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,166
If there was anything,
it wasn't that.
1810
01:16:59,300 --> 01:17:01,867
- It was not a weather balloon.
No, it was not.
1811
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,367
- So what about
the Proctor family?
1812
01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:07,667
- Well, Dee Proctor
was in my class.
1813
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,000
Started first grade together
1814
01:17:09,133 --> 01:17:12,066
and graduated
from high school together.
1815
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:13,667
Fishburne: Dee Proctor
was the young boy
1816
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,633
who was with Mack Brazel
when he found the wreckage.
1817
01:17:16,767 --> 01:17:18,867
Brazel would allegedly
take Dee home
1818
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,500
and show his mother
some of what they'd found.
1819
01:17:21,633 --> 01:17:22,834
♪ ♪
1820
01:17:22,967 --> 01:17:26,400
- There was some
metallic-looking stuff that,
1821
01:17:26,533 --> 01:17:28,567
when you crushed it,
1822
01:17:28,700 --> 01:17:29,900
it just straightened
right back out.
1823
01:17:30,033 --> 01:17:32,867
It wouldn't--you know,
wouldn't stay crushed.
1824
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,400
Well, we told him
it was probably a UFO
1825
01:17:36,533 --> 01:17:38,066
and he should report it.
1826
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,934
- Dee was seven
when all of this happened.
1827
01:17:41,066 --> 01:17:42,066
♪ ♪
1828
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,266
And Dee's sister told me,
for positive,
1829
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,734
sure,
that he was with Mack Brazel.
1830
01:17:49,867 --> 01:17:51,834
Looking back on it
and knowing for sure
1831
01:17:51,967 --> 01:17:56,500
that Dee was with Mack,
he never ever talked about it.
1832
01:17:56,633 --> 01:17:57,834
- Hmm.
1833
01:17:57,967 --> 01:18:02,166
- So that makes me think
for sure something happened.
1834
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:05,400
I do believe that people
purposely kept quiet
1835
01:18:05,533 --> 01:18:07,100
about what happened,
because I think
1836
01:18:07,233 --> 01:18:09,767
they were probably threatened
by the government,
1837
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:12,633
or their sense
of patriotic duty
1838
01:18:12,767 --> 01:18:14,467
was appealed to,
and they said,
1839
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,266
"Don't say
anything about this,"
1840
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,500
because if it's true
and they were truly aliens,
1841
01:18:19,633 --> 01:18:22,834
then we think everybody
is going to panic.
1842
01:18:22,967 --> 01:18:25,867
♪ ♪
1843
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,100
- Has anybody that you know
personally ever claimed
1844
01:18:29,233 --> 01:18:31,767
to have found
a piece of this debris?
1845
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:33,567
- I do know one name of a man
1846
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:38,667
who supposedly had
several pieces of debris.
1847
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:39,967
- Uh-huh.
1848
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:41,533
- And I haven't heard his name
mentioned at all today,
1849
01:18:41,667 --> 01:18:44,333
so I'm not
mentioning it either.
1850
01:18:44,467 --> 01:18:48,967
- Uh, why the hesitancy
to share with me his name?
1851
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:50,900
- It's privacy.
1852
01:18:51,033 --> 01:18:52,266
- Yeah.
- I don't know.
1853
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,133
I can ask them if they would be
willing to talk,
1854
01:18:54,266 --> 01:18:56,200
but I can bet you
that they would not.
1855
01:18:56,333 --> 01:18:58,266
- Yeah, well, put in
a good word for me.
1856
01:18:58,400 --> 01:18:59,767
- I will.
- Uh, just, uh, you know,
1857
01:18:59,900 --> 01:19:01,734
if you could, I would--
- I will.
1858
01:19:01,867 --> 01:19:05,266
We're still pretty private
about protecting the people
1859
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,734
that--who have
been most affected.
1860
01:19:06,867 --> 01:19:10,533
[rain pattering]
1861
01:19:10,667 --> 01:19:12,967
- As I was leaving,
one of the seniors slipped me
1862
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:16,133
the name of someone related
to another eyewitness.
1863
01:19:16,266 --> 01:19:19,166
The Roswell incident
is like an intricate puzzle,
1864
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:20,700
and I finally feel
like the pieces
1865
01:19:20,834 --> 01:19:22,133
are starting
to fall into place.
1866
01:19:22,266 --> 01:19:24,567
♪ ♪
1867
01:19:24,700 --> 01:19:26,233
Fishburne: Coming up...
1868
01:19:26,367 --> 01:19:27,867
will Jesse Marcel's journal
1869
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,667
be another piece
of that puzzle?
1870
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,333
- There is one feature
that I'll point out.
1871
01:19:33,467 --> 01:19:36,233
Fishburne: What will forensic
examination reveal?
1872
01:19:36,367 --> 01:19:39,967
♪ ♪
1873
01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:46,567
[dramatic music]
1874
01:19:46,700 --> 01:19:53,567
♪ ♪
1875
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:55,734
Fishburne: Investigator
Ben Smith heads
1876
01:19:55,867 --> 01:19:57,400
to the office
of handwriting expert
1877
01:19:57,533 --> 01:19:58,767
Jennifer Naso,
1878
01:19:58,900 --> 01:20:00,900
who has spent nearly a month
1879
01:20:01,033 --> 01:20:03,300
doing a forensic examination
of the journal
1880
01:20:03,433 --> 01:20:06,533
to find out
if it is genuine or a fake.
1881
01:20:06,667 --> 01:20:07,767
♪ ♪
1882
01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:09,967
With him
is Jesse Marcel's grandson,
1883
01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:11,834
who believes the journal
may contain
1884
01:20:11,967 --> 01:20:14,333
the intelligence officer's
coded secrets
1885
01:20:14,467 --> 01:20:17,734
about what really happened
at Roswell.
1886
01:20:17,867 --> 01:20:19,867
- It's fascinating
and potentially helpful
1887
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,967
to solving, you know, the--
1888
01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:25,834
for me, uh, the larger story
about the Roswell incident.
1889
01:20:25,967 --> 01:20:29,066
- I just can't imagine
he wouldn't leave some kind
1890
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:33,066
of evidence,
some writings of some kind,
1891
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,934
about what was a very,
very important event.
1892
01:20:36,066 --> 01:20:37,300
- Right.
1893
01:20:37,433 --> 01:20:40,000
- This might be that piece
of the puzzle.
1894
01:20:40,133 --> 01:20:42,200
♪ ♪
1895
01:20:42,333 --> 01:20:43,767
Ooh.
1896
01:20:43,900 --> 01:20:44,834
[knocking]
1897
01:20:44,967 --> 01:20:46,467
- Jennifer?
- Hi.
1898
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,100
- Hey.
Nice to see you again.
1899
01:20:48,233 --> 01:20:49,100
- Good to see you.
- This is Jesse.
1900
01:20:49,233 --> 01:20:50,100
- Hi, Jesse.
Jennifer Naso.
1901
01:20:50,233 --> 01:20:51,300
Nice to meet you.
1902
01:20:51,433 --> 01:20:52,667
- Jennifer, nice to meet you.
- Uh, follow me.
1903
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,900
I'll show you
what I've been doing.
1904
01:20:55,033 --> 01:20:56,500
- Great.
1905
01:20:56,633 --> 01:21:01,300
- So I looked at
the writing ink lines
1906
01:21:01,433 --> 01:21:05,033
of every passage
in the journal,
1907
01:21:05,166 --> 01:21:07,633
and I'll show you
under magnification.
1908
01:21:07,767 --> 01:21:11,000
You can see a little bit
better image of the ink line.
1909
01:21:11,133 --> 01:21:12,266
- Mm-hmm.
1910
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,000
This is consistent with
non-ballpoint pen ink.
1911
01:21:15,133 --> 01:21:16,400
- Oh, okay.
1912
01:21:16,533 --> 01:21:18,533
- And the way I can tell
is you can see the ink line,
1913
01:21:18,667 --> 01:21:20,667
how the ink kind of bleeds
into the paper fibers.
1914
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,166
- Sure.
1915
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:24,734
- Whereas in ballpoint pen,
the pen ink is more viscous,
1916
01:21:24,867 --> 01:21:28,333
and so it kind of sits a little
bit more on top of the paper.
1917
01:21:28,467 --> 01:21:31,333
Here is an example
of ballpoint pen ink.
1918
01:21:31,467 --> 01:21:32,400
- Okay.
1919
01:21:32,533 --> 01:21:34,400
♪ ♪
1920
01:21:34,533 --> 01:21:36,200
- And the characteristics
commonly seen
1921
01:21:36,333 --> 01:21:37,667
with ballpoint pen ink
1922
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,734
is you don't see
that ink bleed into the paper.
1923
01:21:39,867 --> 01:21:42,467
It kind of sits more on top
and has a sheen to it.
1924
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,000
- Oh, okay.
- And on curvatures,
1925
01:21:44,133 --> 01:21:46,233
you see what we call
burr striations
1926
01:21:46,367 --> 01:21:49,834
that move from inside
to outside on a curve.
1927
01:21:49,967 --> 01:21:52,033
So what I'm seeing
throughout the document
1928
01:21:52,166 --> 01:21:54,100
that the entirety
of the document is created
1929
01:21:54,233 --> 01:21:56,033
with that
non-ballpoint pen ink...
1930
01:21:56,166 --> 01:21:57,233
- Okay.
1931
01:21:57,367 --> 01:21:59,667
- That is consistent
with the time period
1932
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,233
which this document
was purportedly created.
1933
01:22:01,367 --> 01:22:02,667
- It is?
- Yes.
1934
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,100
♪ ♪
1935
01:22:04,233 --> 01:22:06,100
The next thing I looked at
was the paper itself.
1936
01:22:06,233 --> 01:22:07,734
- Okay.
- And what I'm looking for
1937
01:22:07,867 --> 01:22:09,233
are optical brighteners.
1938
01:22:09,367 --> 01:22:11,033
- Okay.
- Optical brighteners are added
1939
01:22:11,166 --> 01:22:13,300
in the paper
manufacturing process,
1940
01:22:13,433 --> 01:22:17,633
and it's to make the paper
look nice and white and bright.
1941
01:22:17,767 --> 01:22:19,500
- Sure.
- So the way to look
1942
01:22:19,633 --> 01:22:20,967
for optical brighteners
1943
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:23,834
is to look under UV radiation,
and what should happen,
1944
01:22:23,967 --> 01:22:25,567
if it contains
optical brighteners,
1945
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:28,100
is that the paper
should luminesce.
1946
01:22:28,233 --> 01:22:30,900
It should glow under UV.
1947
01:22:31,033 --> 01:22:35,500
Here, I'll put the journal in,
so you can see,
1948
01:22:35,633 --> 01:22:37,100
and just to give you
a comparison,
1949
01:22:37,233 --> 01:22:40,467
I'll put a document
which I know contains
1950
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,867
optical brighteners
under--right on top.
1951
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,166
- Wow.
1952
01:22:44,300 --> 01:22:46,567
- So that technology
began in around 1950.
1953
01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:48,066
- Correct.
- Well, that makes sense,
1954
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:49,433
'cause I think the last date
1955
01:22:49,567 --> 01:22:51,300
that I saw in the journal
was like 1948.
1956
01:22:51,433 --> 01:22:54,633
- So professional opinion
and the evidence showing
1957
01:22:54,767 --> 01:22:57,400
that it was created
before 1950 anyway.
1958
01:22:57,533 --> 01:22:59,533
- Yes.
It is consistent with documents
1959
01:22:59,667 --> 01:23:01,533
that were produced
during that time period.
1960
01:23:01,667 --> 01:23:02,700
- Great.
Okay.
1961
01:23:02,834 --> 01:23:04,967
- So did you find anything
like a watermark
1962
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:08,667
that might also provide clues
about the time period?
1963
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:13,467
- Right, so there was no logos
or insignia on either cover
1964
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,834
or in the pages
which would indicate
1965
01:23:15,967 --> 01:23:18,500
the company that manufactured
this document.
1966
01:23:18,633 --> 01:23:20,533
However, when I looked
with transmitted light
1967
01:23:20,667 --> 01:23:21,667
shining through the document,
1968
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,867
there is a watermark present
on the document.
1969
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,233
♪ ♪
1970
01:23:27,367 --> 01:23:29,166
In looking at--
1971
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:30,433
- Oh, look at that!
- Yeah, I see it.
1972
01:23:30,567 --> 01:23:32,500
- You see the watermark,
and on the top,
1973
01:23:32,633 --> 01:23:34,367
looking through several pages
1974
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:36,000
and being able
to piece it together,
1975
01:23:36,133 --> 01:23:41,900
the top actually says
Juniata, J-U-N-I-A-T-A.
1976
01:23:42,033 --> 01:23:43,500
So curiosity
got the better of me.
1977
01:23:43,633 --> 01:23:44,834
- Okay.
1978
01:23:44,967 --> 01:23:47,533
- And a quick internet search
revealed that Juniata
1979
01:23:47,667 --> 01:23:49,000
is a university
in Pennsylvania.
1980
01:23:49,133 --> 01:23:49,967
- Interesting.
1981
01:23:50,100 --> 01:23:51,233
That was the area
1982
01:23:51,367 --> 01:23:52,734
my grandfather
went to intelligence school.
1983
01:23:52,867 --> 01:23:54,066
- In Pennsylvania?
1984
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:55,633
He went to intelligence school
in Pennsylvania?
1985
01:23:55,767 --> 01:23:58,200
- Yeah, he was actually a
member in the very first class
1986
01:23:58,333 --> 01:23:59,667
of the very first
intelligence school.
1987
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,533
- Oh, really?
- When he finished that class,
1988
01:24:01,667 --> 01:24:03,567
he turned around and they had
him teach that class to--
1989
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:06,033
- Oh, I did read that.
- And, again, it was right
1990
01:24:06,166 --> 01:24:07,767
in the same area
where this paper came from.
1991
01:24:07,900 --> 01:24:09,700
- And that was in what year?
1940--
1992
01:24:09,834 --> 01:24:11,400
- It had to be '41, '42,
something like that.
1993
01:24:11,533 --> 01:24:13,200
- Yeah, it was after the war
had already started.
1994
01:24:13,333 --> 01:24:14,567
- Exactly.
Yeah.
1995
01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:16,533
He joined right--right--well,
right after Pearl Harbor.
1996
01:24:16,667 --> 01:24:20,767
- To sum up, this document
does appear to be consistent
1997
01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:23,867
with the time period with which
it's purported to be written.
1998
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,600
- That's half the battle
right there.
1999
01:24:25,734 --> 01:24:27,300
- So I did a handwriting
comparison with the journal...
2000
01:24:27,433 --> 01:24:29,133
- Mm-hmm.
2001
01:24:29,266 --> 01:24:31,700
- And the known specimens
I had for Jesse Marcel.
2002
01:24:31,834 --> 01:24:34,467
I will say that in flipping
through the journals,
2003
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,834
the handwriting
did appear to be freely
2004
01:24:38,967 --> 01:24:40,100
and naturally executed.
- Okay.
2005
01:24:40,233 --> 01:24:43,600
- It does not appear
to be deliberate or hesitant...
2006
01:24:43,734 --> 01:24:45,266
- Okay.
- In its execution.
2007
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,166
There is one feature
that I'll point out,
2008
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:51,400
and that is
the capital letter M,
2009
01:24:51,533 --> 01:24:56,767
where it is written almost like
three sevens attached.
2010
01:24:56,900 --> 01:24:59,467
So this is in
the printed section,
2011
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,934
This M does appear
2012
01:25:02,066 --> 01:25:05,934
in the cursive section
from time to time.
2013
01:25:06,066 --> 01:25:07,900
- Oh, it's just like it.
- Oh, wow.
2014
01:25:08,033 --> 01:25:11,133
♪ ♪
2015
01:25:11,266 --> 01:25:12,834
Fishburne: It is stunning
news.
2016
01:25:12,967 --> 01:25:14,300
Both the cursive script
2017
01:25:14,433 --> 01:25:16,967
and the print were written
by the same person.
2018
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:18,900
The journal is genuine.
2019
01:25:19,033 --> 01:25:20,767
♪ ♪
2020
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:24,767
Next on "Roswell:
The First Witness"...
2021
01:25:24,900 --> 01:25:27,767
- The Roswell incident is real.
2022
01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:29,266
Fishburne:
The investigation moves
2023
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:30,800
into uncharted territory...
2024
01:25:30,934 --> 01:25:33,500
- It negates
the skeptical arguments
2025
01:25:33,633 --> 01:25:34,667
about the Roswell case.
2026
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,166
Fishburne: With new leads
2027
01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:38,100
that have
never been explored before.
2028
01:25:38,233 --> 01:25:40,100
- Actually, it raises more
questions than answers then.
2029
01:25:40,233 --> 01:25:41,633
- Yeah.
2030
01:25:41,767 --> 01:25:43,433
Fishburne: Was the mysterious
journal Jesse Marcel
2031
01:25:43,567 --> 01:25:45,400
kept secret written in code
2032
01:25:45,533 --> 01:25:47,166
to hide its meaning
from the government?
2033
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:48,600
- To a cryptographer,
2034
01:25:48,734 --> 01:25:51,400
this indicates
a certain kind of cipher.
2035
01:25:51,533 --> 01:25:53,166
Fishburne: Or was it something
more sinister
2036
01:25:53,300 --> 01:25:55,166
that forced Jesse Marcel
into silence?
2037
01:25:55,300 --> 01:25:59,600
- He said there are things that
this world is not ready for.
2038
01:25:59,734 --> 01:26:03,033
- The impact site,
the remains of the craft,
2039
01:26:03,166 --> 01:26:05,033
and the bodies recovered.
2040
01:26:05,166 --> 01:26:08,633
Fishburne: What else was Jesse
Marcel hiding from the world?
2041
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,567
[indistinc speaking]
2042
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:14,367
Fishburne: The investigation
uncovers
2043
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:16,066
shocking possibilities.
2044
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,033
- You think the debris could
still be at the house?
2045
01:26:18,166 --> 01:26:19,867
- I know it could be.
2046
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:24,033
Fishburne: Could it change
what we know about Roswell?
2047
01:26:24,166 --> 01:26:25,867
I'm Laurence Fishburne,
2048
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,433
thanks for watching
"History's Greatest Mysteries".
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