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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,632 --> 00:00:09,050 In "Money Matters" this morning, Wall Street, 2 00:00:09,092 --> 00:00:11,553 where leaping stocks have investors jumping. 3 00:00:11,595 --> 00:00:13,931 We're going to turn the bull loose. 4 00:00:13,973 --> 00:00:16,057 Ivan Boesky: One of the great things about this nation 5 00:00:16,099 --> 00:00:18,059 is that we can seek profit. 6 00:00:18,101 --> 00:00:19,645 Shriver: Is money the number-one goal? 7 00:00:19,687 --> 00:00:21,104 Yes. 8 00:00:21,146 --> 00:00:23,315 Rogers: We've had 29-year-olds making $1 million a year, 9 00:00:23,357 --> 00:00:25,484 expecting to make $2 million the year after that. 10 00:00:25,526 --> 00:00:27,235 Diana Ferry: But if you've got plastic money, 11 00:00:27,277 --> 00:00:28,946 there's nothing holding you back. 12 00:00:28,988 --> 00:00:32,658 History will prove the Bakkers were honest people. 13 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:35,995 Reporter: Insider trading could become Wall Street's Watergate. 14 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:39,080 Pauley: What do we call greed the day before an indictment? 15 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:41,333 I'm afraid recently, we've called it success. 16 00:00:41,375 --> 00:00:43,502 ♪♪ 17 00:01:35,178 --> 00:01:38,139 Robinson: The U.S. economy, which used to be the envy of the world, 18 00:01:38,181 --> 00:01:41,018 is in the most serious trouble since the Great Depression. 19 00:01:41,060 --> 00:01:44,145 Inflation is rising while our standard of living is declining. 20 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:45,647 Thomas: There was tremendous inflation 21 00:01:45,689 --> 00:01:47,608 and not much growth. 22 00:01:47,649 --> 00:01:50,736 The country was not in a great depression in 1980, 23 00:01:50,778 --> 00:01:53,154 but the United States was in the dumps. 24 00:01:53,196 --> 00:01:57,158 Dobyns: On Wall Street, it was cold, gray, wet, and miserable. 25 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,369 There was no comfort to be found outside. 26 00:01:59,411 --> 00:02:02,873 And for investors, there was not much inside, either. 27 00:02:02,915 --> 00:02:06,167 The tickers carried almost nothing but bad news. 28 00:02:06,209 --> 00:02:08,754 McLean: We'd come off a terrible decade for investing. 29 00:02:08,796 --> 00:02:10,965 People were skeptical of the stock market. 30 00:02:11,006 --> 00:02:13,550 It was a very sleepy Wall Street back then. 31 00:02:13,592 --> 00:02:16,177 Most economists expect a serious recession, 32 00:02:16,219 --> 00:02:19,890 with at least 2 million more Americans losing their jobs. 33 00:02:19,932 --> 00:02:21,182 President Reagan: I regret to say 34 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:25,104 that we're in the worst economic mess since the Great Depression. 35 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:28,189 Literally from the first moments of his presidency on, 36 00:02:28,231 --> 00:02:30,191 President Reagan let it be known 37 00:02:30,233 --> 00:02:33,112 that his top priority is the nation's economy. 38 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:35,572 I put a freeze on pending regulations, 39 00:02:35,614 --> 00:02:38,784 and set up a task force under Vice President Bush 40 00:02:38,826 --> 00:02:40,201 to review regulations 41 00:02:40,243 --> 00:02:43,080 with an eye toward getting rid of as many as possible. 42 00:02:43,122 --> 00:02:44,790 The philosophy behind deregulation 43 00:02:44,832 --> 00:02:47,292 was that markets worked better than government controls. 44 00:02:47,334 --> 00:02:49,294 This bill represents the first step 45 00:02:49,336 --> 00:02:51,797 in our administration's comprehensive program 46 00:02:51,839 --> 00:02:53,214 of financial deregulation. 47 00:02:53,256 --> 00:02:55,009 Tett: Introducing deregulation, 48 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:57,218 finance began to get much more creative 49 00:02:57,260 --> 00:02:59,304 and, frankly, much more profitable, too. 50 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:01,932 In "Money Matters" this morning, Wall Street, 51 00:03:01,974 --> 00:03:04,434 where leaping stocks have investors jumping. 52 00:03:04,476 --> 00:03:06,812 When the market opens for trading this morning, 53 00:03:06,854 --> 00:03:08,271 the Dow Jones industrial Average 54 00:03:08,313 --> 00:03:10,691 will stand at its highest level ever. 55 00:03:10,732 --> 00:03:12,067 Cordtz: The past few months 56 00:03:12,109 --> 00:03:14,444 have been among the wildest in Wall Street's history. 57 00:03:14,486 --> 00:03:16,071 I need 65. 58 00:03:16,113 --> 00:03:19,658 Stock and bond prices soared in a frenzy of activity. 59 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:21,827 Red sheet, pick up Tanner! 60 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:24,245 Optimists on Wall Street are talking about 61 00:03:24,287 --> 00:03:26,331 the beginnings of economic recovery. 62 00:03:26,373 --> 00:03:28,042 Gumbel: The supporters of deregulation 63 00:03:28,083 --> 00:03:30,044 point to the soaring stock market as evidence 64 00:03:30,085 --> 00:03:33,130 that a deregulated economy makes money for everyone. 65 00:03:33,172 --> 00:03:35,256 Sorkin: The stock market took off like a rocket, 66 00:03:35,298 --> 00:03:37,258 and the public saw this happening, 67 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:38,886 and they would read about it. 68 00:03:38,927 --> 00:03:40,261 And so all sorts of people 69 00:03:40,303 --> 00:03:42,890 who used to have nothing to do with this world 70 00:03:42,931 --> 00:03:45,266 started pouring their own money into it. 71 00:03:45,308 --> 00:03:46,518 And that's in large part 72 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,146 also what drove prices to go even higher. 73 00:03:49,188 --> 00:03:50,522 Donaldson: The Ronald Reagan motorcade 74 00:03:50,564 --> 00:03:53,650 rolled onto Wall Street today to the New York Stock Exchange. 75 00:03:53,692 --> 00:03:57,445 In the last five years, we've moved from malaise 76 00:03:57,487 --> 00:04:00,490 to hope, confidence, and opportunity 77 00:04:00,532 --> 00:04:03,284 with the volume of shares traded hitting record highs 78 00:04:03,326 --> 00:04:05,662 and more Americans than ever before 79 00:04:05,704 --> 00:04:07,455 participating in the market. 80 00:04:07,497 --> 00:04:10,084 We're bullish on the American economy. 81 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:11,501 [ Cheers and applause ] 82 00:04:11,543 --> 00:04:15,589 [ Crowd chanting "Ronnie!" ] 83 00:04:15,630 --> 00:04:17,883 When Reagan shows up at the Stock Exchange, 84 00:04:17,925 --> 00:04:19,300 them yelling "Ronnie! Ronnie!" 85 00:04:19,342 --> 00:04:21,302 is a way of saying "America's back." 86 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:23,304 And that was Ronald Reagan's genius. 87 00:04:23,346 --> 00:04:25,807 He was able to link economic faith with faith in America. 88 00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:27,893 Donaldson: No sitting president had ever visited 89 00:04:27,935 --> 00:04:29,310 the New York Stock Exchange before, 90 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:31,396 but it seems safe to say that no recent president 91 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:33,314 would've beaten Mr. Reagan for the honor 92 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:35,734 if a vote had been taken among the floor traders. 93 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:38,319 They gave him round after round of cheer. 94 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:40,739 We're going to turn the bull loose. 95 00:04:40,781 --> 00:04:44,325 Auletta: The whole world from Reagan's White House on 96 00:04:44,367 --> 00:04:48,329 was basically saying Wall Street is the engine of our economy. 97 00:04:48,371 --> 00:04:51,125 It represents growth, it represents opportunity, 98 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:53,043 it represents the American dream. 99 00:04:53,085 --> 00:04:56,337 And so these guys were basically saying "We're gonna go do it." 100 00:04:56,379 --> 00:04:58,339 Brokaw: This is the big draw on Wall Street -- 101 00:04:58,381 --> 00:05:00,383 the smell of money. 102 00:05:00,425 --> 00:05:01,927 This is where the action is. 103 00:05:01,969 --> 00:05:03,511 This is the over-the-counter trading floor 104 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:04,846 of Shearson/Lehman. 105 00:05:04,888 --> 00:05:07,348 More than 17,000 daily transactions 106 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:10,351 involving millions of shares and millions of dollars 107 00:05:10,393 --> 00:05:13,188 made and lost here every day. 108 00:05:13,230 --> 00:05:14,982 And it's a game for young people. 109 00:05:15,023 --> 00:05:16,775 When you get home at the end of the week 110 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:19,360 and you look back on what you've done sitting in this desk, 111 00:05:19,402 --> 00:05:21,071 what gives you a sense of satisfaction? 112 00:05:21,113 --> 00:05:23,949 I guess, uh... 113 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:25,617 making a lot of money. 114 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:27,202 For yourself or for the company? 115 00:05:27,244 --> 00:05:29,079 Myself and for the firm, yeah. 116 00:05:29,121 --> 00:05:32,166 When the economy started to recover and become more vibrant, 117 00:05:32,207 --> 00:05:34,542 I think there was a great sense of exhilaration. 118 00:05:34,584 --> 00:05:37,004 You know, we survived this miserable period, 119 00:05:37,045 --> 00:05:39,756 "Let's celebrate. Let's party. We have money to spend." 120 00:05:39,798 --> 00:05:42,968 Today, the fad among young people is to have big salaries, 121 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:46,263 fancy clothes, and fast cars, and they are called Yuppies. 122 00:05:46,305 --> 00:05:48,598 Rose: But who are these partiers with portfolios, 123 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:49,850 these Yuppies? 124 00:05:49,891 --> 00:05:51,977 A Yuppie is a person who owns a Macintosh, 125 00:05:52,019 --> 00:05:54,188 who eats fine quiche, and drinks white wine, 126 00:05:54,229 --> 00:05:55,189 and that's me. 127 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:56,773 I'm having a great time here. 128 00:05:56,815 --> 00:05:59,234 29-year-olds making $1 million a year, 129 00:05:59,276 --> 00:06:01,569 expecting to make a million and a half next year 130 00:06:01,611 --> 00:06:02,988 and $2 million the year after that. 131 00:06:03,030 --> 00:06:05,490 Shriver: For this generation, business is hip. 132 00:06:05,532 --> 00:06:08,409 Capitalism is no sin. It's in. 133 00:06:08,451 --> 00:06:11,412 Shriver: Is money the number-one goal? 134 00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:12,206 Yes. 135 00:06:12,247 --> 00:06:13,414 ♪♪ 136 00:06:13,456 --> 00:06:15,667 ♪ All of the fun ♪ 137 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:18,419 ♪ Is waiting for you at the Castle ♪ 138 00:06:18,461 --> 00:06:19,838 ♪ Trump's Castle ♪ 139 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,590 Wallace: In a world where mere millionaires are a dime a dozen. 140 00:06:22,632 --> 00:06:24,425 there's a new billionaire in town. 141 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:26,678 He's 40 years old, his town is New York City, 142 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,597 and he's made his money mainly from Manhattan real estate. 143 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:32,642 He puts his name on almost everything he builds -- 144 00:06:32,684 --> 00:06:34,435 says it's a symbol of quality. 145 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:37,022 But others say it's part of the hype. 146 00:06:37,064 --> 00:06:39,440 Troy: Donald Trump, he is the brand, 147 00:06:39,482 --> 00:06:42,610 and he is the symbol of a new swashbuckling approach 148 00:06:42,652 --> 00:06:44,863 to commerce, to entrepreneurship, 149 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:46,489 and also to conspicuous consumption. 150 00:06:46,531 --> 00:06:48,825 Smith: We definitely do now have people 151 00:06:48,867 --> 00:06:51,536 who have become celebrities just from being rich. 152 00:06:51,578 --> 00:06:53,830 I'll take the Trumps as a good example. 153 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:57,042 I mean, their celebrity is generally that they are rich. 154 00:06:57,084 --> 00:06:58,459 Donald Trump has also ventured 155 00:06:58,501 --> 00:07:00,670 into gambling and professional football 156 00:07:00,712 --> 00:07:03,464 and says he could negotiate a nuclear disarmament treaty 157 00:07:03,506 --> 00:07:04,925 with the Soviet Union. 158 00:07:04,966 --> 00:07:08,929 Wallace: They say he's land-hungry, money-hungry, power-hungry. 159 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:11,472 The power is nonsense. I love the creative process. 160 00:07:11,514 --> 00:07:13,474 Wallace: What about the name of Trump City? 161 00:07:13,516 --> 00:07:15,352 Trump Tower we're sitting in? 162 00:07:15,394 --> 00:07:18,521 Trump Plaza? Trump Castle? 163 00:07:18,563 --> 00:07:20,065 It sells, Mike. All I know is -- 164 00:07:20,107 --> 00:07:21,108 That's all it is? 165 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:22,734 It has nothing to do with the ego. 166 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:24,444 All I know is it sells. 167 00:07:25,612 --> 00:07:27,072 What do you do? 168 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:27,864 Security. 169 00:07:27,906 --> 00:07:29,490 We don't need security here. 170 00:07:29,532 --> 00:07:31,659 Let's go outside. We have people outside. 171 00:07:31,701 --> 00:07:35,205 Auletta: Leona Helmsley was the wife of Harry Helmsley, 172 00:07:35,247 --> 00:07:37,791 one of the major -- much bigger than Trump -- 173 00:07:37,832 --> 00:07:40,210 real estate developers in New York. 174 00:07:40,252 --> 00:07:43,338 I asked for something. I did not get it from you. 175 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:44,089 I want it. 176 00:07:44,131 --> 00:07:45,506 You have nothing to do? 177 00:07:45,548 --> 00:07:47,426 Connelly: Leona Helmsley, "The Queen of Mean." 178 00:07:47,467 --> 00:07:51,096 The idea was that she was so mean 179 00:07:51,138 --> 00:07:54,515 because she wanted you to have a great experience 180 00:07:54,557 --> 00:07:56,017 in one of her hotels. 181 00:07:56,059 --> 00:07:57,394 Really? 182 00:07:57,436 --> 00:07:59,313 Seemed like she was just mean. 183 00:07:59,354 --> 00:08:01,606 Oh, my. It's paradise. 184 00:08:01,648 --> 00:08:04,818 He stands here and he says "I'm taking inventory," 185 00:08:04,859 --> 00:08:07,404 I own this, I own this, I own this, 186 00:08:07,446 --> 00:08:10,031 and that one and that one and that one." 187 00:08:10,073 --> 00:08:11,450 He plays Monopoly, but with real buildings. 188 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:12,700 With real buildings. 189 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:14,953 Wallace: They bought this Connecticut estate a year ago -- 190 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:18,706 26 acres, 28 rooms -- for just the two of them. 191 00:08:18,748 --> 00:08:22,127 And this building structure is just what? 192 00:08:22,169 --> 00:08:23,211 Tell him. 193 00:08:23,253 --> 00:08:26,256 It's the enclosure of the swimming pool. 194 00:08:26,298 --> 00:08:27,548 And up top? 195 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:30,551 On top, we're going to have, of course, a dance floor. 196 00:08:30,593 --> 00:08:32,804 ♪ Dance in an old-fashioned way ♪ 197 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:34,931 Leona Helmsley became a kind of a symbol 198 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:37,725 of the excesses of the '80s. 199 00:08:37,767 --> 00:08:41,104 Am I comfortable? I make a living. 200 00:08:42,439 --> 00:08:44,816 Kuralt: This is the way we live now. 201 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:47,568 Nice even temperature, no rain, no snow, 202 00:08:47,610 --> 00:08:50,571 no loud noises, music is playing. 203 00:08:50,613 --> 00:08:52,615 Everything's perfect in the mall. 204 00:08:52,657 --> 00:08:56,577 Troy: In the 1980s, you have 16,000 malls popping up like mushrooms. 205 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:58,621 And they become the high temples 206 00:08:58,663 --> 00:09:01,249 of the great American religion -- shopping. 207 00:09:01,291 --> 00:09:03,584 Kuralt: Pam and Melissa, 15 years old, 208 00:09:03,626 --> 00:09:05,586 come to the mall almost every day. 209 00:09:05,628 --> 00:09:07,797 They call themselves mallrats. 210 00:09:07,839 --> 00:09:09,632 I love it, too, Pam. 211 00:09:09,674 --> 00:09:11,968 It's only $24. 212 00:09:12,010 --> 00:09:14,846 Tett: Consumerism definitely took off in the '80s. 213 00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:17,682 People emerged from the 1970s, which were tough economic times, 214 00:09:17,724 --> 00:09:20,601 and went "Wow, we can now spend." 215 00:09:20,643 --> 00:09:23,604 I want you to think about this Florentine Plum also. 216 00:09:23,646 --> 00:09:26,316 Honey, that's what's gonna set your eyes off. 217 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:27,859 Brands: The economy started growing, 218 00:09:27,901 --> 00:09:30,904 and it was largely a consumer-driven growth. 219 00:09:30,945 --> 00:09:33,823 But the consumer economy was funded by debt. 220 00:09:33,865 --> 00:09:35,992 Kiker: The national bankruptcy rate is soaring. 221 00:09:36,034 --> 00:09:39,620 Greg and Diana Ferry -- annual income $32,000. 222 00:09:39,662 --> 00:09:42,290 They had over $12,000 in unsecured debts 223 00:09:42,332 --> 00:09:44,000 when they bought a new home. 224 00:09:44,042 --> 00:09:46,627 Then they bought a new washer, a dryer, 225 00:09:46,669 --> 00:09:49,464 a microwave oven, and a Betamax TV recorder. 226 00:09:49,506 --> 00:09:50,882 Then they went bankrupt. 227 00:09:50,924 --> 00:09:54,010 I knew I didn't have the money, but if you've got plastic money, 228 00:09:54,052 --> 00:09:55,720 there's nothing holding you back. 229 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:58,056 All of a sudden, it became very acceptable to have debt. 230 00:09:58,098 --> 00:09:59,640 It became very acceptable to have a credit card. 231 00:09:59,682 --> 00:10:00,892 More than acceptable 232 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:03,644 if you wanted to pull it out of your wallet and use it. 233 00:10:03,686 --> 00:10:07,648 Live from Tampa Bay, Florida, it's the Home Shopping Club. 234 00:10:07,690 --> 00:10:09,526 [ Horn squeaks ] 235 00:10:09,568 --> 00:10:12,946 Safer: Every doodad and and tchotchke that man's hand hath wrought. 236 00:10:12,987 --> 00:10:16,283 Americans seem utterly hooked on home shopping. 237 00:10:16,324 --> 00:10:18,659 Your order has been completed for one of the ruby bracelets. 238 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:21,704 So, I have you down for two of the plush musical bunnies. 239 00:10:21,746 --> 00:10:22,914 [ Cowbell clanging ] 240 00:10:22,956 --> 00:10:25,459 Safer: There are Home Shopping Club parties. 241 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:27,544 Like-minded consumers gather together 242 00:10:27,586 --> 00:10:29,379 to do what comes naturally. 243 00:10:29,421 --> 00:10:31,923 I want four of those bird figurines. 244 00:10:31,965 --> 00:10:33,883 You don't have to leave your house, 245 00:10:33,925 --> 00:10:36,136 and stuff will come to you. 246 00:10:36,177 --> 00:10:37,845 Welcome to America. 247 00:10:37,887 --> 00:10:39,680 Jim Bakker: Give us 300 more people 248 00:10:39,722 --> 00:10:41,766 to call on their credit card, right now... 249 00:10:41,808 --> 00:10:46,687 If you and enough people will send me $100 immediately, 250 00:10:46,729 --> 00:10:48,356 I need some very quick money. 251 00:10:48,398 --> 00:10:49,941 Go to the phone right now. 252 00:10:49,983 --> 00:10:51,109 Now! 253 00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:52,693 Quit talking about saying you believe in God 254 00:10:52,735 --> 00:10:54,070 without ever acting on his word. 255 00:10:54,112 --> 00:10:54,779 Now! 256 00:10:54,821 --> 00:10:56,281 Faith is an act! 257 00:10:56,323 --> 00:11:00,118 Koppel: In all, there are 1,600 television ministers. 258 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,703 And of the $1.5 billion grossed annually, 259 00:11:02,745 --> 00:11:05,165 just three of them -- Pat Robertson's, 260 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:07,584 Jimmy Swaggart's, and Jim Bakker's -- 261 00:11:07,626 --> 00:11:11,754 took in close to $500 million. 262 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:14,633 Safer: The prime-time preachers say they need the money 263 00:11:14,673 --> 00:11:15,716 to stay on the air, 264 00:11:15,758 --> 00:11:18,553 and they need to stay on the air to raise money -- 265 00:11:18,595 --> 00:11:21,014 money for the kind of electronic equipment 266 00:11:21,055 --> 00:11:23,224 any network would be proud to own. 267 00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:25,935 I believe God wants us in the next 30 days 268 00:11:25,977 --> 00:11:28,771 to have every one of these bills paid in full, 269 00:11:28,813 --> 00:11:31,399 and PTL can live if we pay our bills. 270 00:11:31,441 --> 00:11:32,733 It pays the bills 271 00:11:32,775 --> 00:11:34,777 if we would all just do [Voice breaking] something. 272 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:36,737 Troy: As televangelism grows, 273 00:11:36,779 --> 00:11:38,781 Jim Bakker is the one who truly gets it. 274 00:11:38,823 --> 00:11:43,203 He understands that preaching on television is not just about 275 00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:45,746 standing up and giving a fire-and-brimstone speech. 276 00:11:45,788 --> 00:11:47,748 He understands that in the age of television, 277 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:49,750 the Johnny Carson approach to televangelism, 278 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:51,752 that being more intimate, showing your lifestyle, 279 00:11:51,794 --> 00:11:53,672 and your beautiful family is essential 280 00:11:53,712 --> 00:11:54,755 because it brings people in. 281 00:11:54,797 --> 00:11:56,007 And he's a brilliant entrepreneur, 282 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:57,758 and he's a brilliant salesman of himself. 283 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,427 ♪ PTL ♪ 284 00:11:59,469 --> 00:12:03,431 And now here are Jim and Tammy! 285 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:05,225 Clayton: Their appeal is powerful. 286 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:07,018 Last year, a million people responded 287 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:09,145 to the Bakkers' constant request for money. 288 00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:10,813 Tammy Bakker: How many do you have right now? 289 00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:12,399 Just about 30. 290 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,484 30 what? 291 00:12:14,526 --> 00:12:16,695 Silver 7000 clubs. 292 00:12:16,735 --> 00:12:18,655 That's $90,000. 293 00:12:18,697 --> 00:12:19,780 Praise God. 294 00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:21,282 Clayton: The Bakkers have been criticized 295 00:12:21,324 --> 00:12:23,243 for their own lavish lifestyle. 296 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:24,578 Well, just because I'm a Christian 297 00:12:24,619 --> 00:12:26,079 doesn't mean I don't like nice things, either. 298 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,414 I love nice things, 299 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:29,790 and Jim and I work very, very hard for nice things. 300 00:12:29,832 --> 00:12:32,210 They say the only difference between men and boys 301 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:33,794 is the price of their toys. 302 00:12:33,836 --> 00:12:35,463 Rose: Toys like a fleet of luxury cars 303 00:12:35,505 --> 00:12:36,797 and a string of fancy homes 304 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:40,677 from Palm Springs, California, to Tega Cay, South Carolina. 305 00:12:40,719 --> 00:12:42,845 Troy: They create what I call the "Gospel of Prosperity" 306 00:12:42,887 --> 00:12:44,805 where they think that by them living well, 307 00:12:44,847 --> 00:12:48,017 by them having Rolls-Royces that everyone will think, "Ah. 308 00:12:48,059 --> 00:12:51,521 God is shining his countenance upon them, and thus upon us." 309 00:12:51,563 --> 00:12:55,233 And PTL also becomes the vehicle for their media empire, 310 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:56,817 for their theme parks. 311 00:12:56,859 --> 00:12:58,695 Jim Bakker: If we are to be fishers of men -- 312 00:12:58,737 --> 00:13:00,821 that's what the Bible says, we are fishers of men -- 313 00:13:00,863 --> 00:13:03,658 we've been using some pretty lousy bait. 314 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:06,827 We've just built better bait to reach people. 315 00:13:06,869 --> 00:13:09,830 You can have a lifetime partnership with PTL 316 00:13:09,872 --> 00:13:12,709 for a one-time gift of $1,000. 317 00:13:12,751 --> 00:13:14,835 Four days and three nights 318 00:13:14,877 --> 00:13:16,879 every year for the rest of your life. 319 00:13:16,921 --> 00:13:19,924 Troy: That mix of God and greed ends up derailing them, 320 00:13:19,966 --> 00:13:22,885 and ends up leading them to breaking the very rules 321 00:13:22,927 --> 00:13:24,721 that they are preaching about. 322 00:13:24,763 --> 00:13:27,098 Television evangelist Jim Bakker has stepped down 323 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:30,268 as the head of the Praise the Lord, or PTL, ministry. 324 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:32,353 Hazinski: Bakker's resignation reportedly came 325 00:13:32,395 --> 00:13:34,897 because of a sexual encounter seven years ago. 326 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:36,857 Hall: Jessica Hahn is to be paid monthly 327 00:13:36,899 --> 00:13:39,527 as long as she keeps quiet about the incident. 328 00:13:39,569 --> 00:13:43,114 It turns out that Jim Bakker has been paying off this secretary, 329 00:13:43,156 --> 00:13:45,533 and that shakes the evangelical world. 330 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:47,034 The evidence seems to indicate 331 00:13:47,076 --> 00:13:50,455 that effort and money have been expended to cover moral failure. 332 00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:55,543 If Jim Bakker paid Jessica Hahn "hush money," 333 00:13:55,585 --> 00:13:58,296 what else has he been doing with the PTL money? 334 00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:00,881 Do you worry about the investigations that are going on? Jim and Tammy: Not at all. 335 00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:06,346 History will prove the Bakkers were honest people. 336 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:09,974 We interrupt this program for an NBC News Special Report. 337 00:14:10,016 --> 00:14:12,977 Jim Bakker, the defrocked head of the PTL ministry, 338 00:14:13,019 --> 00:14:14,395 has been found guilty 339 00:14:14,437 --> 00:14:16,939 on all 24 counts of fraud and conspiracy 340 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:19,275 by a jury in Charlotte, North Carolina. 341 00:14:19,317 --> 00:14:23,363 Jones: Bakker kept selling lifetime partnerships at Heritage USA 342 00:14:23,404 --> 00:14:25,906 even though he knew they were oversold. 343 00:14:25,948 --> 00:14:28,576 For example, the Heritage Grand Hotel 344 00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:31,579 could accommodate only 25,000 partnerships, 345 00:14:31,621 --> 00:14:34,081 but 65,000 were sold. 346 00:14:34,123 --> 00:14:36,959 And for the lower-priced Bunkhouse partnerships, 347 00:14:37,001 --> 00:14:38,753 about 7,000 were sold 348 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:40,921 for a building that had only eight rooms. 349 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:43,758 Gumbel: Estelle Pollard sent Jim and Tammy Bakker's PTL Club 350 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,926 $15 a month for 15 years. 351 00:14:45,968 --> 00:14:47,220 She thought that by giving to them, 352 00:14:47,261 --> 00:14:49,430 God would ease her pain and that of her ailing husband. 353 00:14:49,472 --> 00:14:53,810 I have been one to help make millionaires out of those people 354 00:14:53,852 --> 00:14:56,855 when I don't have enough to even live on. 355 00:14:56,896 --> 00:15:00,107 Jones: Bakker could be sentenced to 120 years in prison 356 00:15:00,149 --> 00:15:02,943 and fined over $5 million. 357 00:15:02,985 --> 00:15:05,988 I would say I feel sad, but encouraged in God. 358 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:09,534 Hall: Tammy Bakker said she could best describe her feelings in song. 359 00:15:09,576 --> 00:15:15,331 ♪ On Christ, the solid rock I stand ♪ 360 00:15:15,373 --> 00:15:21,087 ♪ All other ground is sinking sand ♪ 361 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:25,132 Smith: Today, we travel to the Lone Star State 362 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:28,428 to visit tycoon entrepreneur T. Boone Pickens, 363 00:15:28,469 --> 00:15:31,013 the highest paid CEO in the country. 364 00:15:31,055 --> 00:15:33,767 Even here, Wall Street is in charge. 365 00:15:33,808 --> 00:15:37,144 Wall Street being a parrot -- green, as in money. 366 00:15:37,186 --> 00:15:38,979 He reigns over an entry foyer 367 00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:41,482 that runs the entire length of the house, 368 00:15:41,524 --> 00:15:43,777 and at the end of that long foyer, 369 00:15:43,818 --> 00:15:47,071 we find this morning Boone Pickens. 370 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:48,823 Good morning, sir. How are you? 371 00:15:48,865 --> 00:15:49,783 Good morning, Harry. 372 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:50,991 Why don't we go ahead 373 00:15:51,033 --> 00:15:52,993 and head into the trophy room, if you don't mind? 374 00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:54,161 Sure. 375 00:15:54,203 --> 00:15:56,873 Nocera: T. Boone Pickens was a Texas oilman 376 00:15:56,915 --> 00:16:00,167 who became the original corporate raider. 377 00:16:00,209 --> 00:16:02,587 He would buy a bunch of stock in the company, 378 00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:05,172 talk about how the executives needed to be tossed out, 379 00:16:05,214 --> 00:16:07,383 and make a play to take over the company. 380 00:16:07,425 --> 00:16:09,176 Rodriguez: Pickens' company, Mesa Petroleum, 381 00:16:09,218 --> 00:16:11,387 which is only 1/20th the size of Phillips, 382 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:15,516 moves first by buying 5.8% of the stock privately. 383 00:16:15,558 --> 00:16:17,101 Now Pickens lets it be known 384 00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:20,396 that he wants to buy another 15% from the shareholders 385 00:16:20,438 --> 00:16:22,816 and thus gain a seat on the corporate board. 386 00:16:22,857 --> 00:16:25,025 There's one thing I want to put in place, 387 00:16:25,067 --> 00:16:27,027 is that stockholders own companies 388 00:16:27,069 --> 00:16:28,696 and managements are employees. 389 00:16:28,738 --> 00:16:32,032 Stahl: Phillips agreed to buy back its stock from T. Boone Pickens 390 00:16:32,074 --> 00:16:33,827 to stop his takeover bid. 391 00:16:33,868 --> 00:16:38,289 The profit to Pickens and his partners -- $89 million. 392 00:16:38,331 --> 00:16:41,709 It is no secret that you've made about a half a billion dollars 393 00:16:41,751 --> 00:16:44,044 through losing on your attempted takeovers. 394 00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:45,505 Do you go into it 395 00:16:45,546 --> 00:16:48,299 anticipating that a loss is still gonna stand you very well? 396 00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:51,302 Well, you never like to lose, but if you lose and make money, 397 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:53,095 well, it makes it a little easier. 398 00:16:53,137 --> 00:16:55,055 I remember I was someplace 399 00:16:55,097 --> 00:16:58,559 and the guy got up and said, "I have a question." 400 00:16:58,601 --> 00:17:02,062 He said, "You're making a lot of money out of this," 401 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:04,941 and I said, "The shareholders are, too." 402 00:17:04,983 --> 00:17:08,068 He said, "Yes, but you're a fast-buck artist." 403 00:17:08,110 --> 00:17:09,153 "Fast-buck artist." 404 00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:11,447 I said, "Who in the hell would want to be known 405 00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:13,073 as a slow-buck artist?" 406 00:17:13,115 --> 00:17:16,076 I see it as a free-enterprise system working at its best. 407 00:17:16,118 --> 00:17:19,079 Burrough: Pickens was really the first major investor 408 00:17:19,121 --> 00:17:22,082 to realize how undervalued American companies were 409 00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:23,668 and what you could buy there. 410 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:27,588 And it was his early tilts at Gulf, City Services, 411 00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:31,676 all these famous deals that brought this new reality 412 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:34,554 to the attention of other investors, 413 00:17:34,595 --> 00:17:36,514 who followed in his wake 414 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:38,098 and sought to imitate what he did. 415 00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:40,685 I freely admit that I'm an investor and I want to make a profit. 416 00:17:40,727 --> 00:17:42,102 I freely admit I'm not Robin Hood. 417 00:17:42,144 --> 00:17:46,148 It is not wrong to want to profit in capitalist America. 418 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:47,817 It's fair. 419 00:17:47,859 --> 00:17:50,611 Delaney: Ivan Boesky has made a fortune buying into companies 420 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:52,488 being pursued by takeover artists. 421 00:17:52,530 --> 00:17:54,908 Boesky doesn't want to run those companies -- 422 00:17:54,949 --> 00:17:57,535 just to profit from the run-up in their stock prices. 423 00:17:57,577 --> 00:17:59,495 Levine: Forbes magazine lists Boesky 424 00:17:59,537 --> 00:18:02,289 among the 400 richest people in America, 425 00:18:02,331 --> 00:18:06,126 estimating his wealth at well over $200 million. 426 00:18:06,168 --> 00:18:07,962 Where's my share of the profits? 427 00:18:08,004 --> 00:18:09,714 Stewart: Ivan Boesky gave the commencement speech 428 00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:11,424 1986 at Berkeley, 429 00:18:11,465 --> 00:18:15,469 and he really became famous for one line in that speech. 430 00:18:20,349 --> 00:18:22,769 [ Laughter, cheers and applause ] 431 00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:26,856 [ Laughter ] 432 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:29,400 Stourton: A new film, "Wall Street," used Boesky's words 433 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,652 as the basis for some of the dialogue. 434 00:18:31,694 --> 00:18:34,822 Greed is good. 435 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:36,616 Greed is right. 436 00:18:36,657 --> 00:18:38,158 Greed works. 437 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,954 [ Applause ] 438 00:18:40,995 --> 00:18:43,163 Auletta: When Michael Douglas, in the movie, 439 00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:45,792 said, "Greed is good," I mean, it was a cartoon expression. 440 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:47,043 But there's truth to it. 441 00:18:47,085 --> 00:18:50,170 There was a sense that it is okay to be greedy, 442 00:18:50,212 --> 00:18:52,423 it is okay to maximize your wealth. 443 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:54,759 What I want to see above all 444 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,887 is that this country remains a country 445 00:18:57,929 --> 00:19:00,765 where someone can always get rich. 446 00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:03,267 Brokaw: Big companies gobbling up little companies. 447 00:19:03,309 --> 00:19:05,603 Little companies gobbling up big companies. 448 00:19:05,645 --> 00:19:09,189 Eight years ago, there were 1,500 corporate takeovers. 449 00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:13,569 Last year, there were 4,000, involving $200 billion. 450 00:19:13,611 --> 00:19:16,238 Aug: This type of deal is called a leveraged buyout. 451 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,824 The company borrows the money 452 00:19:17,865 --> 00:19:20,200 using its assets as collateral for the loan. 453 00:19:20,242 --> 00:19:22,411 In return the company issues IOUs. 454 00:19:22,453 --> 00:19:24,204 Because the deal is so risky, 455 00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:27,207 those IOUs carry very high interest rates, 456 00:19:27,249 --> 00:19:29,209 and they're called junk bonds. 457 00:19:29,251 --> 00:19:32,088 Now, you may not have heard of Michael Milken 458 00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:35,675 of the investment banking firm of Drexel Burnham Lambert, Inc., 459 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:38,052 but this 40-year-old Wall Street whiz 460 00:19:38,094 --> 00:19:41,221 is said to be the most powerful financier in America. 461 00:19:41,263 --> 00:19:44,224 He brought respectability to low-rated junk bonds 462 00:19:44,266 --> 00:19:45,601 and then used the money 463 00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:48,021 to finance corporate raids and takeovers. 464 00:19:48,062 --> 00:19:50,690 Without Mike Milken T. Boone Pickens couldn't 465 00:19:50,731 --> 00:19:53,609 have raided Gulf, Unocal, and Phillips Petroleum. 466 00:19:53,651 --> 00:19:57,155 Pickens: The Gulf deal was the first time I saw Milken. 467 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,949 He said, "If you really want to take over Gulf, 468 00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:03,161 it's gonna cost you $13 billion." 469 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:05,121 [ Laughing ] And I said, "Yeah, I get it." 470 00:20:05,163 --> 00:20:07,456 And he said, "I can get the $13 billion." 471 00:20:07,498 --> 00:20:09,249 Palmer: He's the guy that T. Boone Pickens goes to, 472 00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:10,459 and most people haven't heard of him. 473 00:20:10,501 --> 00:20:12,045 Well, that's just the way he likes it. 474 00:20:12,086 --> 00:20:14,254 He doesn't care about publicity. He doesn't care about pride. 475 00:20:14,296 --> 00:20:15,548 All he cares about 476 00:20:15,589 --> 00:20:17,842 is making money, doing deals, and having power. 477 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:20,970 Burrough: He was this shadowy Howard Hughes-like figure 478 00:20:21,012 --> 00:20:23,514 that those of us even in the press never saw, 479 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:25,641 you just heard [Whispering] "It's Milken." 480 00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:27,852 But, you know, it was Milken's genius -- 481 00:20:27,894 --> 00:20:29,937 and I think that is the correct word -- 482 00:20:29,979 --> 00:20:31,981 that created an entire market 483 00:20:32,023 --> 00:20:34,859 and fueled this takeover phenomena. 484 00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:37,444 Reich: We romanticize these characters. 485 00:20:37,486 --> 00:20:41,323 The fact of the matter is, these are fat cats, 486 00:20:41,365 --> 00:20:45,285 first cousins to the financial manipulators, 487 00:20:45,327 --> 00:20:47,872 the robber barons of the late 19th century. 488 00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,289 These guys are out there, 489 00:20:49,331 --> 00:20:51,667 they're trying to make a buck by doing nothing. 490 00:20:51,709 --> 00:20:54,545 and they're putting people out of work. 491 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:57,131 Kent: Economists agree that some unemployment, 492 00:20:57,173 --> 00:21:00,676 some hardship is unavoidable, in the vitally important process 493 00:21:00,718 --> 00:21:03,512 of making the United States lean and mean again -- 494 00:21:03,554 --> 00:21:06,599 what the takeover specialists call corporate restructuring. 495 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,894 Corporate America needs some kick now and then 496 00:21:09,936 --> 00:21:12,021 to become a little bit more efficient, 497 00:21:12,063 --> 00:21:13,480 a little bit less entrenched, 498 00:21:13,522 --> 00:21:16,316 and that will probably do our economy a lot of good. 499 00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:18,778 Thursday, Goodyear fended off a hostile takeover bid, 500 00:21:18,819 --> 00:21:20,320 but victory didn't come cheap. 501 00:21:20,362 --> 00:21:23,783 Smith: Goodyear won by buying back roughly half its stock 502 00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:25,325 and taking on a huge debt. 503 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:28,121 Plants were closed and workers laid off. 504 00:21:28,162 --> 00:21:30,915 The company pays $1 million a day in interest 505 00:21:30,957 --> 00:21:33,333 to 17 banks worldwide. 506 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:36,045 These fellas jump out of the closet, shout "Gotcha," 507 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:38,422 and they buy up a company with its own assets, 508 00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:39,924 dismember it, 509 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:43,510 and erode the industrial base of this country. 510 00:21:43,552 --> 00:21:45,345 Maybe we didn't understand how it all worked, 511 00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:49,058 but we saw a lot of people losing their jobs 512 00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:52,019 and a few people getting super-rich 513 00:21:52,061 --> 00:21:55,815 and the vibe of the culture being "That's cool." 514 00:21:55,856 --> 00:21:57,399 Kent: How much is enough? 515 00:21:57,441 --> 00:21:58,358 Enough what? 516 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,236 Enough money, enough power, 517 00:22:00,278 --> 00:22:02,362 enough influence, enough takeovers? 518 00:22:02,404 --> 00:22:04,657 This is my work. This is what I do. 519 00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:06,033 Let me do what I do. 520 00:22:06,075 --> 00:22:08,327 It's not a question of how much. [ Snickers ] 521 00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:10,746 Miller: It was a week to remember. 522 00:22:10,788 --> 00:22:12,748 Banker's hours posted on the doors 523 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:16,085 of savings and loan institutions in Ohio didn't mean a thing. 524 00:22:16,127 --> 00:22:17,377 The doors were locked. 525 00:22:17,419 --> 00:22:19,379 The run on Ohio's savings and loans began 526 00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:22,258 when Home State Savings Bank was besieged by depositors 527 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:23,425 who demanded their money. 528 00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:26,553 I don't have a whole lot, and I'm 79 years old, 529 00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:28,388 and, golly, I need that money. 530 00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:31,391 Celeste: I made a decision after weighing several options 531 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:33,269 that we had to close all 71 532 00:22:33,311 --> 00:22:35,980 of the privately insured savings and loan institutions. 533 00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:38,398 Vito: Celeste is faced with the dilemma of solving 534 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,400 the worst financial crisis in Ohio history, 535 00:22:40,442 --> 00:22:43,445 a situation that is being called the worst banking crisis 536 00:22:43,487 --> 00:22:45,447 in the U.S. since the Depression. 537 00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:49,243 In the deregulatory climate of the 1980s, savings and loans, 538 00:22:49,285 --> 00:22:52,288 which had traditionally invested only in mortgages, 539 00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:55,499 were free to invest in pretty much anything they wanted. 540 00:22:55,541 --> 00:22:58,919 Basically what happened was, the entire S&L industry 541 00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:01,672 got taken over by a bunch of entrepreneurs 542 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:03,465 who saw them as piggy banks. 543 00:23:03,507 --> 00:23:07,261 Abel: Vernon Savings was shut down by federal regulators, 544 00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:10,097 saddled with $1.3 billion in bad loans. 545 00:23:10,139 --> 00:23:13,059 The owner, Don Dixon, lived a life of private jets, 546 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,434 yachts, and mansions. 547 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:18,314 They took risks that should've been untenable for a banker, 548 00:23:18,356 --> 00:23:20,233 and when that all went blooey, 549 00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:23,277 the entire industry ultimately went belly up. 550 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:24,862 Well, get in line so we can have this -- 551 00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:26,446 I am in line! I'm next! 552 00:23:26,488 --> 00:23:27,907 Quiet down! Man: Guys, quiet down! 553 00:23:27,948 --> 00:23:29,909 I'm going to disperse the whole bunch of you. 554 00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:31,451 McCarthy: This was the third day 555 00:23:31,493 --> 00:23:34,121 of the run on the Old Court Savings and Loan Association. 556 00:23:34,163 --> 00:23:35,497 The only thing I can do at this point, 557 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:38,125 I have no choice -- we have to close. 558 00:23:38,167 --> 00:23:40,627 I don't think it's right. That's our money. 559 00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:44,173 This year, a record 260 banks will go bust. 560 00:23:44,215 --> 00:23:47,467 That's almost 800 in the past five years. 561 00:23:47,509 --> 00:23:50,971 Bad loans to the Third World, bad loans to the oil industry, 562 00:23:51,013 --> 00:23:53,349 bad loans to real estate developers. 563 00:23:53,391 --> 00:23:56,476 Nocera: One of the reasons bankers made outrageous loans 564 00:23:56,518 --> 00:23:59,479 was because of Federal Deposit Insurance. 565 00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:02,482 If the loan went well, then you rake in the profit. 566 00:24:02,524 --> 00:24:03,525 If the loan went poorly, 567 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:05,778 then the federal government picks up the tab. 568 00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:08,739 Collins: With deregulation, the S&Ls got into 569 00:24:08,781 --> 00:24:10,950 that commercial real estate market 570 00:24:10,991 --> 00:24:12,910 and lost their shirt. 571 00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:14,494 Pizzo: All over the United States, 572 00:24:14,536 --> 00:24:15,913 people were building projects 573 00:24:15,955 --> 00:24:17,706 for which there were no buyers -- 574 00:24:17,748 --> 00:24:21,710 mile after mile of these partially completed condos. 575 00:24:21,752 --> 00:24:24,338 And they're all on the S&Ls books. 576 00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:25,505 There's something wrong 577 00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:27,507 about the savings and loan industry today. 578 00:24:27,549 --> 00:24:28,801 And it isn't me. 579 00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:33,180 Charles Keating was a lawyer who got into banking 580 00:24:33,222 --> 00:24:35,975 and was able to buy a savings and loan. 581 00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:38,227 Kroft: When Keating bought Lincoln Savings and Loan 582 00:24:38,269 --> 00:24:41,521 of Irvine, California, he used it as a private piggy bank 583 00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:44,524 for his own ambitions, like the Phoenician Hotel, 584 00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:48,028 which cost $500,000 per room to build. 585 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:50,572 That hotel is a magnificent investment 586 00:24:50,614 --> 00:24:52,532 for savings and loan's dollars. 587 00:24:52,574 --> 00:24:54,118 No question about it. 588 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,578 The real problem is, when our appraisers looked at it, 589 00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:58,747 they said, "Eh, it's not such a bad hotel, 590 00:24:58,789 --> 00:25:01,041 but it's worth $200 million, not $300 million. 591 00:25:01,083 --> 00:25:03,043 Pizzo: Bill Black was one of the chief regulators 592 00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:04,544 at the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, 593 00:25:04,586 --> 00:25:07,840 who was really the guy who spearheaded going after Keating. 594 00:25:07,881 --> 00:25:11,385 Black: We discovered likely fraud -- 595 00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:16,556 just really basic things that no honest bankers would do. 596 00:25:16,598 --> 00:25:19,143 "The examiners looked at 52 real estate loans 597 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:20,560 that Lincoln had made... 598 00:25:20,602 --> 00:25:25,649 There were no credit reports on the borrowers in all 52." 599 00:25:25,691 --> 00:25:27,818 And on top of that, Charles Keating 600 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:33,573 has Lincoln Savings sell uninsured junk bonds, 601 00:25:33,615 --> 00:25:37,036 and he targets the widows in the retirement community. 602 00:25:37,077 --> 00:25:39,579 Goldin: There were 23,000 customers 603 00:25:39,621 --> 00:25:43,625 who would buy $250 million of these bonds. 604 00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,045 We had sold our home in Sherman Oaks. 605 00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:47,629 My husband had had a stroke. 606 00:25:47,671 --> 00:25:48,964 We moved down here, 607 00:25:49,006 --> 00:25:51,091 went to Lincoln Savings down here. 608 00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:52,510 Goldin: How much is your debenture? 609 00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:53,886 You really want to know? 610 00:25:53,927 --> 00:25:55,429 Yes. 611 00:25:55,471 --> 00:25:58,849 It was $30,000, and for us, that was quite a bit. 612 00:25:58,891 --> 00:26:02,602 [ Crowd murmuring ] 613 00:26:02,644 --> 00:26:06,190 "Capitalize on this," the bond salesmen were told. 614 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:11,111 "The weak, meek, and ignorant are always good targets." 615 00:26:11,153 --> 00:26:13,239 The regulators were looking at this and saying, you know, 616 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,616 "This guy is a disaster, man. We have got to stop this." 617 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:17,868 But by that time, 618 00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:20,704 Keating had a construction company in Arizona, 619 00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:22,622 he had thrifts in California. 620 00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:24,833 His tentacles sprayed out to several states, 621 00:26:24,875 --> 00:26:28,628 so he was able to call on congressmen and senators 622 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:33,008 like that and say, "Hey, get these dogs off my back." 623 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:35,553 This morning, the S&L crisis goes to Capitol Hill. 624 00:26:35,593 --> 00:26:36,803 The Senate Ethics Committee 625 00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:39,098 is looking into charges against five senators 626 00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:41,641 accused of intervening with federal banking officials 627 00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:44,103 on behalf of S&L owner Charles Keating. 628 00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:47,147 The so-called Keating Five are Republican John McCain 629 00:26:47,189 --> 00:26:49,483 and Democrats Alan Cranston, John Glenn, 630 00:26:49,525 --> 00:26:51,485 Donald Regal, and Dennis DeConcini. 631 00:26:51,527 --> 00:26:55,322 The Keating Five reportedly received a total of $1.3 million 632 00:26:55,364 --> 00:26:58,658 in campaign contributions or donations to favorite causes. 633 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,287 Former bank board chairman Edwin Gray says the senators 634 00:27:01,328 --> 00:27:03,956 tried to subvert the regulatory process. 635 00:27:03,997 --> 00:27:06,666 I was told to come alone. 636 00:27:06,708 --> 00:27:07,667 I did. 637 00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:09,669 Kroft: Did you find that unusual? 638 00:27:09,711 --> 00:27:11,671 [ Scoffs ] Absolutely. 639 00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:13,048 Never happened before. 640 00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:15,675 The whole time I was in Washington, 641 00:27:15,717 --> 00:27:17,136 I never saw that. 642 00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:18,678 No witnesses? 643 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,097 No. No witnesses. 644 00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:23,683 Deniability perfectly built into the meeting. 645 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,936 Black: They said they wanted us not to take 646 00:27:25,978 --> 00:27:28,688 the enforcement action against Lincoln Savings. 647 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:31,942 The only thing that got them to back off 648 00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:35,737 is when we finally said, "We're making criminal referrals. 649 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,697 You're going to bat for criminals." 650 00:27:37,739 --> 00:27:40,618 Mitchell: Now awaiting trial on charges of criminal fraud, 651 00:27:40,658 --> 00:27:42,702 Keating has refused to testify to the Senate. 652 00:27:42,744 --> 00:27:46,165 McCain: Was there something wrong with five senators meeting? 653 00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:47,749 Yes, it's a bad appearance. 654 00:27:47,791 --> 00:27:50,294 But the real question is, 655 00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:52,963 Did John McCain abuse his office? 656 00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:56,592 The evidence indicates clearly "No." 657 00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:58,718 Brinkley: The Keating Five became a symbol of the '80s, 658 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,430 'cause it's a group of distinguished U.S. senators 659 00:28:01,472 --> 00:28:03,599 that are accused of taking bribe money. 660 00:28:03,641 --> 00:28:05,809 They get off the hook eventually, 661 00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:09,980 but it really rocked the country because it showed that not only 662 00:28:10,022 --> 00:28:13,733 was corporate America being questioned for corruption, 663 00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:17,196 but the U.S. Senate seemed to be a beehive of bribery. 664 00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:20,199 One question among the many raised in recent weeks 665 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,742 had to do with whether my financial support 666 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:26,746 in any way influenced several political figures 667 00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:28,748 who took up my cause. 668 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:33,587 I want to say in the most forceful way that I can -- 669 00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:35,297 I certainly hope so. 670 00:28:36,714 --> 00:28:39,051 Robinson: The financial scandal causing increasing concern 671 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:41,470 involves investors who make killings on Wall Street 672 00:28:41,512 --> 00:28:43,055 not because of luck or skill, 673 00:28:43,096 --> 00:28:45,140 but because of inside information 674 00:28:45,182 --> 00:28:46,766 not available to anyone else. 675 00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:49,603 Martin: This coded document might be a secret earnings report 676 00:28:49,645 --> 00:28:51,771 showing disastrous losses 677 00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:54,650 or a confidential assessment of future profits. 678 00:28:54,692 --> 00:28:57,777 If you are one of the 32 million Americans who own stock, 679 00:28:57,819 --> 00:29:01,490 such information can either cost you money or earn you money -- 680 00:29:01,532 --> 00:29:04,660 perhaps millions of dollars -- if you find it out first. 681 00:29:04,702 --> 00:29:06,370 In either case, it is illegal. 682 00:29:06,412 --> 00:29:09,707 The single biggest currency on Wall Street 683 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,084 has always been information. 684 00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:13,252 And in the '80s, 685 00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:15,795 that information was trading back and forth. 686 00:29:15,837 --> 00:29:17,881 And investors were talking to their buddies 687 00:29:17,923 --> 00:29:20,426 they went to business school and law school with, 688 00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:22,802 who were actually working on these deals, to find out. 689 00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:24,263 It was pervasive. 690 00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:25,847 Feldman: The Security and Exchange Commission, 691 00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:27,807 which monitors potential abuses, 692 00:29:27,849 --> 00:29:30,810 says that currently, penalties aren't strict enough. 693 00:29:30,852 --> 00:29:32,896 This is a serious course of misconduct, 694 00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:35,524 and that at present, the sanction is simply akin 695 00:29:35,566 --> 00:29:37,526 to asking someone to put the cookies 696 00:29:37,568 --> 00:29:38,818 back in the cookie jar. 697 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:39,861 In tonight's "Money Matters," 698 00:29:39,903 --> 00:29:42,822 the biggest insider stock trading case ever. 699 00:29:42,864 --> 00:29:44,824 Gumbel: Investment banker Dennis Levine 700 00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:48,328 collected $12.5 million in illegal profits. 701 00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:50,289 He did it by getting advance knowledge 702 00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:51,831 of 54 pending takeovers. 703 00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:53,041 Then from a phone booth, 704 00:29:53,083 --> 00:29:55,043 he would call an accomplice in the Bahamas, 705 00:29:55,085 --> 00:29:57,837 who would buy stocks in the names of two dummy corporations, 706 00:29:57,879 --> 00:29:59,339 which Levine had set up in Panama. 707 00:29:59,381 --> 00:30:00,924 Aug: The Levine case was the first time 708 00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:03,552 the SEC's been able to nail down insider trading 709 00:30:03,594 --> 00:30:05,721 by one of Wall Street's big dealmakers -- 710 00:30:05,763 --> 00:30:07,931 somebody with a $1 million-a-year salary, 711 00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:09,767 which, apparently, wasn't enough. 712 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:13,687 Brady: Insider trading could become Wall Street's Watergate. 713 00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:16,898 Cassidy: Plea bargaining is now under way with Dennis Levine. 714 00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:19,943 Authorities might be able to develop a list of new suspects. 715 00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:22,529 Carberry: We started the investigation, 716 00:30:22,571 --> 00:30:26,074 and once his lawyer advised him his interest to cooperate, 717 00:30:26,116 --> 00:30:28,327 he would give you the information. 718 00:30:28,368 --> 00:30:30,496 To him, it was just another deal. 719 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:32,456 I think the judge made it clear 720 00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:35,875 that he would have given Mr. Levine a heavier sentence, 721 00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:37,753 except for the cooperation. 722 00:30:37,795 --> 00:30:41,089 Baird: Dennis Levine was one guy doing insider trading, 723 00:30:41,131 --> 00:30:43,049 and that's not something that's new. 724 00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:45,803 But what Dennis Levine did was lead to Ivan Boesky. 725 00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,763 The Securities and Exchange Commission 726 00:30:47,805 --> 00:30:49,889 stunned Wall Street today when it announced 727 00:30:49,931 --> 00:30:51,809 that investor Ivan Boesky has been fined 728 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:54,812 the largest penalty ever for insider stock trading, 729 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,897 and he has been barred now from the securities industry. 730 00:30:57,939 --> 00:31:00,984 Monsees: Boesky did what he publicly claimed he would never do -- 731 00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:04,904 use insider information to buy huge blocks of stock 732 00:31:04,946 --> 00:31:08,617 in companies secretly involved in takeover deals. 733 00:31:08,659 --> 00:31:10,910 Ivan Boesky was an out-and-out crook, 734 00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:12,912 handing bags of cash to people 735 00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:14,914 who would give him inside information. 736 00:31:14,956 --> 00:31:18,001 If we had capital punishment for white-collar crimes, 737 00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:20,212 I'd say he'd be a prime candidate. 738 00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:23,006 Stourton: Ivan Boesky arrived in court to hear himself described 739 00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:25,925 as a man whose arrogance has been stripped away. 740 00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:28,220 There's no doubt that the man has become a symbol 741 00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:29,929 of what's wrong with Wall Street. 742 00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:31,390 The news of the Boesky indictment 743 00:31:31,431 --> 00:31:34,852 was like the bombshell of the decade on Wall Street. 744 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,645 What do we call greed the day before 745 00:31:36,687 --> 00:31:38,938 an indictment is filed, if you get my meaning? 746 00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:41,024 I'm afraid recently, we've called it success -- 747 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:43,527 that some of the people who have now turned out 748 00:31:43,569 --> 00:31:45,738 to have been engaged in criminal activity, 749 00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:47,989 such as Ivan Boesky, were being hailed as heroes 750 00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:50,367 while they were at the peak of their careers. 751 00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:52,661 Green: Millions of America's small investors 752 00:31:52,703 --> 00:31:54,788 have been appalled at the Boesky affair. 753 00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:57,833 I think they should get every one of them, put them in jail. 754 00:31:57,875 --> 00:31:59,251 Jensen: Since 1984, 755 00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:03,004 there had been more than 48 cases of insider trading 756 00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:06,966 brought by New York's U.S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani. 757 00:32:07,008 --> 00:32:09,595 Back then, Rudy had the aura, essentially, of being 758 00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:12,138 the best man in law enforcement without a cape. 759 00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:13,849 Maybe we can't catch all of them, 760 00:32:13,891 --> 00:32:15,684 but we sure as heck can deliver a message, 761 00:32:15,726 --> 00:32:18,437 which is if you do get caught, you are gonna lose your liberty. 762 00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:19,897 You're gonna go to prison. 763 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:23,358 Today, as the prospect of a much wider scandal seems certain, 764 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,903 the market was off more than 40 points. 765 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:28,781 This after it was learned that Ivan Boesky was talking, 766 00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:29,989 and then some. 767 00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:31,991 Braver: As one former SEC official put it, 768 00:32:32,033 --> 00:32:34,578 this is like arresting the madam of a brothel 769 00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:36,996 and finding her private book of clients. 770 00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:39,917 This guy Boesky takes a fall, and all over Wall Street, 771 00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:42,001 they're practically jumping out windows. 772 00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:44,922 It comes out that he's been taping his phone calls, 773 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:47,674 and maybe his private talks, for three months. 774 00:32:47,716 --> 00:32:50,302 And Wall Street big shots begin wetting their -- 775 00:32:50,343 --> 00:32:51,511 Well, you get the idea. 776 00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:53,680 Stewart: Of course Ivan Boesky was guilty. 777 00:32:53,722 --> 00:32:57,016 There was gonna be no defense. All he had was bargaining power. 778 00:32:57,058 --> 00:32:58,518 Who could he deliver? 779 00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,645 Well, let me ask you this. 780 00:32:59,686 --> 00:33:03,482 Levine was a fish, Boesky was a shark. 781 00:33:03,523 --> 00:33:06,401 Who's the whale that they're gonna catch? 782 00:33:06,443 --> 00:33:07,653 I don't know. 783 00:33:07,694 --> 00:33:09,028 Drexel Burnham? 784 00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:11,197 Well, that's -- that's possible. 785 00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:14,284 In the middle of all of this is Drexel Burnham Lambert -- 786 00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:17,329 until a few years ago, a little-known Wall Street firm. 787 00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:20,039 Then it shot to the top of this high-stakes world 788 00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:22,459 by specializing in so-called junk bonds -- 789 00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,544 high-interest but also high-risk. 790 00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:26,045 Aug: The commission says Drexel 791 00:33:26,087 --> 00:33:28,131 and the head of its junk bond department, Michael Milken, 792 00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:29,341 made a secret deal 793 00:33:29,382 --> 00:33:31,760 with convicted stock swindler Ivan Boesky 794 00:33:31,802 --> 00:33:34,053 to make millions of dollars illegally. 795 00:33:34,095 --> 00:33:35,054 Krulwich: For example, 796 00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:37,056 California company Wix came to Milken's firm 797 00:33:37,098 --> 00:33:39,058 and told them that it was planning a takeover. 798 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,060 The government charges that Milken, in effect, 799 00:33:41,102 --> 00:33:44,063 went and whispered that secret to Ivan Boesky in New York. 800 00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:45,941 So Boesky bought the stock before it went up, 801 00:33:45,983 --> 00:33:47,985 made millions, shared the profits with Milken's firm, 802 00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:49,277 but the bottom line is, 803 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:53,072 Milken betrayed his client, charged a million-dollar fee, 804 00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:55,868 and then secretly earned $6.5 million more 805 00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:57,160 at the client's expense. 806 00:33:57,202 --> 00:33:58,787 Levine: Authorities are worried 807 00:33:58,829 --> 00:34:02,165 that further disclosures resulting from the Boesky affair 808 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:05,544 may weaken public confidence in financial markets 809 00:34:05,585 --> 00:34:08,005 and weaken the markets themselves. 810 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:11,800 [ Indistinct talking ] 811 00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,093 I just came from inside, and it looks like a madhouse. 812 00:34:14,135 --> 00:34:15,595 I guess the bull market's over, huh? 813 00:34:15,637 --> 00:34:17,597 It's a bloodbath down there. 814 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,099 Brady: They're calling it The Monday Massacre -- 815 00:34:20,141 --> 00:34:22,101 the worst drop in Wall Street history. 816 00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:24,103 Well, I'd call it the nearest thing to a meltdown 817 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,104 I ever want to see. 818 00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:26,606 Brady: By the closing bell, 819 00:34:26,648 --> 00:34:30,819 the Dow Jones Industrial Average was down more than 500 points. 820 00:34:30,861 --> 00:34:32,821 This was a crash that people hadn't seen, frankly, 821 00:34:32,863 --> 00:34:34,113 since the Great Depression. 822 00:34:34,155 --> 00:34:37,116 No one had seen the stock market fall that quickly that fast. 823 00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:40,829 Brokaw: Paper losses -- more than $500 billion. 824 00:34:40,871 --> 00:34:45,709 October 19, 1987 -- Wall Street's Black Monday. 825 00:34:45,751 --> 00:34:49,128 McLean: That crash was one of the first signs 826 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:51,840 of how dangerous this new era could be -- 827 00:34:51,882 --> 00:34:54,801 that what the market had given, the market could take away, 828 00:34:54,843 --> 00:34:57,220 and it could take it away really, really quickly. 829 00:34:57,262 --> 00:34:59,056 Lefevre: There's only two emotions in Wall Street. 830 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,139 One's fear, and the other's greed. 831 00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:02,141 Usually, we have an excess of one or the other. 832 00:35:02,183 --> 00:35:04,352 We have now, I think, an excess of fear. 833 00:35:05,562 --> 00:35:07,230 We will have a recession. We always do. 834 00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:08,523 It's just a question of when. 835 00:35:08,565 --> 00:35:12,778 My guess is it's probably 1989 rather than 1987. 836 00:35:12,819 --> 00:35:14,988 A little present for the new president. 837 00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,741 Presidents always seem to manage to get that 838 00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:20,410 as their gift after the inaugurals. 839 00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:24,247 I promise you, if Congress tries to raise the taxes 840 00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:27,166 when I'm president -- and you know they will -- 841 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,334 I'll say no. 842 00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:31,170 They'll try one more time, and I'll say no. 843 00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:33,172 And if they try a third time... 844 00:35:33,214 --> 00:35:35,341 ...I'll stare them right in the eye... 845 00:35:35,383 --> 00:35:37,636 ...and I'm gonna say to them, "Read..." 846 00:35:37,677 --> 00:35:39,554 "...my...lips. 847 00:35:39,596 --> 00:35:41,681 No...new...taxes!" 848 00:35:41,723 --> 00:35:43,266 [ Cheers and applause ] 849 00:35:43,308 --> 00:35:45,811 Troy: In 1988, George H.W. Bush is running 850 00:35:45,852 --> 00:35:47,604 to take on the Reagan mantle. 851 00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:50,649 "Read my lips -- no new taxes." 852 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:53,192 Miklaszewksi: When Ronald Reagan left The White House in January, 853 00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:55,570 he also left George Bush holding the bag -- 854 00:35:55,612 --> 00:35:58,197 filled with an assortment of staggering problems. 855 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,450 Bierbauer: When the president calls, some come running. 856 00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:04,037 All agree the savings and loan crisis is an urgent problem. 857 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,082 Brady: Could the S&Ls be bailed out without a tax increase? 858 00:36:07,124 --> 00:36:08,583 Is there any other way to do it? 859 00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:10,209 I don't think there is, 860 00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:13,672 and I think that's becoming the conclusion of most people. 861 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:17,258 Pizzo: Bush had to fill this smoking hole left by Reagan for him, 862 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,137 and the only way to do that was to pass new legislation, 863 00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,806 because now we had to start dipping into taxpayer money. 864 00:36:22,848 --> 00:36:25,892 Bierbauer: Senators say the only bailout will be for depositors, 865 00:36:25,934 --> 00:36:27,226 not for bad bankers. 866 00:36:27,268 --> 00:36:30,313 No one needs to worry about one nickel of their money 867 00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:31,898 in these institutions. 868 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:38,237 This legislation says to tens of millions of S&L depositors, 869 00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:43,118 "You will not be the victim of others' mistakes." 870 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,452 Thank you all very much. 871 00:36:44,494 --> 00:36:46,955 And now I'm proud to sign this monster. 872 00:36:46,997 --> 00:36:49,332 Reporter: Essentially, George Bush is covering 873 00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,250 the biggest overdraft in history. 874 00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:52,544 [ Applause ] 875 00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:57,256 [ Laughter ] 876 00:36:57,298 --> 00:37:00,093 Bush caves. He raises taxes. 877 00:37:00,135 --> 00:37:03,304 That kills him politically but saves America economically. 878 00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:06,099 Listen carefully to this number -- 879 00:37:06,141 --> 00:37:08,852 $500 billion. 880 00:37:08,894 --> 00:37:11,521 That's the latest estimate of what the failure 881 00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:14,482 of hundreds of federally insured savings and loans 882 00:37:14,524 --> 00:37:17,110 will eventually cost American taxpayers. 883 00:37:17,152 --> 00:37:19,654 Reporter: Mr. Keating, how soon can you make bail? 884 00:37:19,696 --> 00:37:20,864 Man: No questions. 885 00:37:20,906 --> 00:37:22,281 Healy: The once-rapid growth 886 00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:25,202 of Keating's now-failed Lincoln Savings of California 887 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:28,287 had been fueled by the sale of a quarter billion dollars' worth 888 00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:31,124 of uninsured and now worthless bonds -- 889 00:37:31,166 --> 00:37:34,502 the majority bought by seniors, many losing their life savings. 890 00:37:34,544 --> 00:37:38,215 I need my money! Give it to me right now! 891 00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:41,384 Black: Charles Keating was convicted in two trials, 892 00:37:41,426 --> 00:37:44,303 but both of those verdicts were overturned, 893 00:37:44,345 --> 00:37:48,100 and then he pled guilty to avoid a retrial 894 00:37:48,141 --> 00:37:51,310 and was allowed out for time served. 895 00:37:51,352 --> 00:37:52,979 Stewart: The climate had gone 896 00:37:53,021 --> 00:37:56,566 from celebrating the excesses of Wall Street 897 00:37:56,608 --> 00:37:58,735 to condemning them pretty quickly. 898 00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:00,153 Reporter: Mr. Milken! 899 00:38:00,195 --> 00:38:02,572 Jennings: Tonight's headline -- Milken pleads guilty 900 00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:05,324 in what may be the largest individual case of fraud 901 00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:07,953 ever to rock Wall Street -- a case which ended 902 00:38:07,994 --> 00:38:10,247 in a plea bargain with the government. 903 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:11,623 Frank: Judge Kimba Wood said 904 00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:15,168 Milken's crimes merited his removal from society. 905 00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:17,921 She sentenced the one-time king of Wall Street 906 00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:19,338 to 10 years in prison. 907 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,340 Stewart: He didn't end up serving anywhere near that. 908 00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:23,384 He did go to jail for just under two years. 909 00:38:23,426 --> 00:38:24,761 But I'm confident when he left, 910 00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:27,013 he was at a minimum a billionaire, 911 00:38:27,055 --> 00:38:29,348 and quite possibly a multi-billionaire. 912 00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:32,351 Jensen: The game of Monopoly could have been invented 913 00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:34,271 for Donald Trump. 914 00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:37,023 But Monopoly is a tricky game. 915 00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:39,442 When you borrow $2 billion 916 00:38:39,484 --> 00:38:41,820 and the economy goes into a tailspin 917 00:38:41,861 --> 00:38:44,447 and you can't pay the interest on your loans, 918 00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:46,407 the bankers move in. 919 00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:48,367 Donald's $100 million yacht 920 00:38:48,409 --> 00:38:52,205 goes to the Boston Safe Deposit and Trust Company. 921 00:38:52,247 --> 00:38:54,958 His half-interest in the Grand Hyatt Hotel 922 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,210 goes to Bankers Trust. 923 00:38:57,252 --> 00:39:00,588 His Trump Shuttle goes to Northwest Airlines. 924 00:39:00,630 --> 00:39:03,300 The man who was the darling of the '80s 925 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:06,303 is seen as a man in trouble, and he knows it. 926 00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:07,971 McInerney: Insofar as we can say 927 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:11,599 that the '80s was a period of hedonism and excess, 928 00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:14,978 then the end of the decade was the hangover. 929 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:17,438 It's more like the rich are taking their tumble now. 930 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,191 O'Reilly: Leona and Harry Helmsley, 931 00:39:19,232 --> 00:39:20,859 one of the richest couples in the world, 932 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:23,278 were today treated as common criminals, 933 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,697 booked in Manhattan on 139 counts of fraud, 934 00:39:25,738 --> 00:39:27,657 tax evasion, and extortion. 935 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:30,327 The government charges that the Helmsleys renovated 936 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,245 their $11 million Connecticut estate 937 00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:35,832 and wrote the cost off as a business expense on their taxes. 938 00:39:35,874 --> 00:39:39,418 Clayton: A former housekeeper said Mrs. Helmsley once told her, 939 00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:43,048 "We don't pay taxes. Only little people pay taxes." 940 00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:45,717 Helmsley was sentenced to four years in prison, 941 00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:47,719 given a $7 million fine, 942 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,931 and ordered to serve 750 hours of community service. 943 00:39:51,973 --> 00:39:54,059 For some, the sentence was too light. 944 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,270 I have done nothing wrong. I'm innocent. 945 00:39:57,312 --> 00:40:01,482 My only crime is that I'm Leona Helmsley. 946 00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:04,736 No matter how many white-collar thieves get sent away, 947 00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:07,446 no matter how long they're locked up, 948 00:40:07,488 --> 00:40:09,949 the public will still be paying for this 949 00:40:09,991 --> 00:40:11,868 long after they're out. 950 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:14,871 So, what did the 1980s add up to? 951 00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:17,332 We put that question to a fair number of people, 952 00:40:17,374 --> 00:40:20,377 and more than 95% of them said simply, 953 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,461 "It was the decade of greed." 954 00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:25,464 Well, we learned that greed may be good, 955 00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:28,927 but too much greed is bad 956 00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:30,303 and that sometimes, 957 00:40:30,345 --> 00:40:33,306 people on Wall Street get a little too greedy. 958 00:40:33,348 --> 00:40:35,183 But they learn their lesson, 959 00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:37,435 and they would never do it again. 960 00:40:38,728 --> 00:40:42,565 Some argue that today's bright spotlight on unethical behavior 961 00:40:42,607 --> 00:40:44,483 has exaggerated the problem. 962 00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:47,486 But there's no denying the problem is real. 963 00:40:47,528 --> 00:40:49,530 And if we excuse unethical conduct 964 00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:51,908 by saying "Well, everyone does it" 965 00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:54,493 or "It's really okay unless you get caught" 966 00:40:54,535 --> 00:40:57,496 or "It's not against the law," we miss the point 967 00:40:57,538 --> 00:41:00,083 of why it's important we not do it period. 968 00:41:00,125 --> 00:41:02,919 The point may be no less than national survival 969 00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:05,588 as a people who can live together honorably. 970 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:08,174 If we let lying, cheating, and stealing 971 00:41:08,216 --> 00:41:10,009 become an accepted way of life, 972 00:41:10,051 --> 00:41:12,720 it's not just a few dollars that'll be lost. 973 00:41:12,762 --> 00:41:15,556 It's the spirit of the country that would be lost. 974 00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:18,476 The decision is ours. 78808

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