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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:25,764 --> 00:00:27,723 Man 1: You hear that? Actually, I'm turning down, fuckers. 2 00:00:27,897 --> 00:00:29,594 - Man 2: Holy shit! - Man 3: Wow. 3 00:00:29,768 --> 00:00:31,857 - Man 2: That's a first. - Man 4: He didn't really do it. 4 00:00:32,031 --> 00:00:33,946 Man 1: I didn't really do it. Yeah, I just said it, yeah. 5 00:00:34,512 --> 00:00:36,036 Man 4: He's got that fake knob. 6 00:00:36,210 --> 00:00:37,341 Man 1: I just gave it the eye. 7 00:00:39,082 --> 00:00:40,083 Man 2: Do one of those. 8 00:00:44,783 --> 00:00:47,525 The creative input of these session guys 9 00:00:48,004 --> 00:00:52,617 cannot be overstated. It can't be overstated. 10 00:00:53,792 --> 00:00:55,142 Wait, Waddy's still getting dressed. 11 00:00:55,316 --> 00:00:56,447 I guess so. 12 00:00:56,839 --> 00:00:58,536 I guess he can't get that bracelet on again. 13 00:00:58,710 --> 00:01:00,234 He's not, he's on the phone. I saw him when he went down. 14 00:01:00,408 --> 00:01:02,410 He's probably freaking out. 15 00:01:03,802 --> 00:01:05,543 Eventually, he will reveal himself. 16 00:01:05,717 --> 00:01:08,851 - All will be revealed. 17 00:01:09,025 --> 00:01:11,593 Yeah. That's what I'm afraid of. 18 00:01:11,984 --> 00:01:13,899 Yeah. In the early '70s, 19 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:15,814 you couldn't pick up an album with the liner notes 20 00:01:15,988 --> 00:01:17,338 without seeing these guys' names. 21 00:01:21,298 --> 00:01:23,300 Where were you? What does it take to put on a shirt? 22 00:01:23,474 --> 00:01:25,041 - Fuck off. - Yeah, fuck you, too. 23 00:01:25,215 --> 00:01:26,825 Everybody face-- 24 00:01:26,999 --> 00:01:30,916 There's nobody anywhere, who I would respect 25 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:34,398 what they have to say about rock and roll, 26 00:01:34,877 --> 00:01:36,444 more than these four guys. Nobody. 27 00:01:38,271 --> 00:01:39,708 This builds up the anticipation. 28 00:01:45,670 --> 00:01:46,932 Announcer 1: And now ladies and gentlemen, 29 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:48,586 please put your hands together 30 00:01:48,759 --> 00:01:50,893 and welcome to the stage, The Immediate Family. 31 00:01:52,982 --> 00:01:54,201 Have fun, guys, see you later. 32 00:01:56,246 --> 00:01:58,378 One of the things they say, which is hysterical 33 00:01:58,553 --> 00:02:00,076 but true, is they say, 34 00:02:00,250 --> 00:02:01,817 "We're the best cover band alive." 35 00:02:02,252 --> 00:02:03,775 And all the covers they're playing 36 00:02:03,949 --> 00:02:05,560 are all the hit songs that they produced or wrote. 37 00:02:07,083 --> 00:02:09,389 I have over a hundred golden platinum records 38 00:02:09,564 --> 00:02:11,522 and they've probably played on 95 percent of 'em. 39 00:02:13,089 --> 00:02:15,135 Just to give you a number. 40 00:02:21,053 --> 00:02:25,493 ♪ And don't you know Don't you know ♪ 41 00:02:34,023 --> 00:02:37,156 ♪ She's got To be somebody's baby ♪ 42 00:02:37,548 --> 00:02:40,551 ♪ Poor, poor, pitiful me ♪ 43 00:02:48,690 --> 00:02:51,301 ♪ All she wants to Do is dance ♪ 44 00:02:54,522 --> 00:02:58,787 ♪ Ooh, I hear laughter In the rain ♪ 45 00:02:58,961 --> 00:03:01,833 ♪ Walking hand in hand With the one ♪ 46 00:03:02,007 --> 00:03:04,488 ♪ Oh, Mexico ♪ 47 00:03:05,097 --> 00:03:08,579 ♪ It sounds so sweet With the sun sinking low ♪ 48 00:03:09,276 --> 00:03:11,800 ♪ The moon so bright Like the light ♪ 49 00:03:12,148 --> 00:03:14,194 ♪ Send lawyers, Guns and money ♪ 50 00:03:17,109 --> 00:03:19,155 ♪ This shit has hit the fan ♪ 51 00:03:19,677 --> 00:03:23,594 ♪ I feel the sky tumbling down A-tumbling down ♪ 52 00:03:23,768 --> 00:03:27,076 ♪ A-tumbling down A-tumbling down ♪ 53 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:34,170 ♪ A-tumbling down tumbling down ♪ 54 00:03:42,744 --> 00:03:44,311 In the late '50s, 55 00:03:44,789 --> 00:03:47,836 it was all about the face and the image. 56 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:51,448 Cut a track and put that face and image on a record. 57 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:54,495 Especially in the first part of the '60s, 58 00:03:54,668 --> 00:03:56,627 not a lot of people were writing their own material. 59 00:03:56,801 --> 00:03:58,890 And you would record material written by other people 60 00:03:59,064 --> 00:04:01,023 and the record companies often had a lot to say 61 00:04:01,197 --> 00:04:02,981 about what songs an artist recorded. 62 00:04:04,896 --> 00:04:07,899 ♪ There's a lot Of things I want ♪ 63 00:04:08,073 --> 00:04:10,989 1965 was much more a year of the Brill Building. 64 00:04:11,468 --> 00:04:12,817 I think of all the great songs 65 00:04:12,991 --> 00:04:14,515 that came out of all that great writing 66 00:04:14,689 --> 00:04:17,257 from just those writers that didn't go on to be artists. 67 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:19,519 They would give the songs to the artists 68 00:04:19,694 --> 00:04:21,216 and then they had this group of musicians 69 00:04:21,522 --> 00:04:23,480 who were this mainstay of the time, 70 00:04:23,654 --> 00:04:25,003 called, "The Wrecking Crew." 71 00:04:25,352 --> 00:04:27,571 Very seasoned, well-read musicians. 72 00:04:28,006 --> 00:04:30,705 They would go in and cut three or four songs in a session 73 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:34,099 and those would go on to become the pop hits of the day. 74 00:04:34,883 --> 00:04:36,493 The only thing that's constant 75 00:04:36,841 --> 00:04:38,016 in art is change. 76 00:04:38,756 --> 00:04:40,932 The Wrecking Crew, it had its time 77 00:04:41,106 --> 00:04:42,238 and its time passed. 78 00:04:49,158 --> 00:04:51,639 In the late '60s and early '70s, 79 00:04:51,813 --> 00:04:54,468 the singer-songwriter began to emerge. 80 00:04:55,730 --> 00:04:57,297 People writing their own material, 81 00:04:57,645 --> 00:05:00,474 recording their own material, having a little more control 82 00:05:00,648 --> 00:05:01,997 over what happened in the studio. 83 00:05:03,607 --> 00:05:06,393 In a way, these new independent players 84 00:05:06,567 --> 00:05:10,179 that were brought in by new artists like Carole King 85 00:05:10,353 --> 00:05:13,878 in those days, in a way, the baton was handed to them. 86 00:05:15,402 --> 00:05:18,318 Russ Kunkel, Lee Sklar, 87 00:05:19,014 --> 00:05:21,843 Danny Kortchmar, Waddy. 88 00:05:22,626 --> 00:05:23,801 And they weren't... 89 00:05:25,063 --> 00:05:26,804 the most famous players in the world. 90 00:05:27,762 --> 00:05:29,154 They were just musicians we knew 91 00:05:29,633 --> 00:05:33,463 and they gradually became legendary session musicians. 92 00:05:34,203 --> 00:05:36,727 I would buy records, just 'cause they were on it. 93 00:05:37,772 --> 00:05:40,122 I didn't know the music until I'd bought the record, 94 00:05:40,296 --> 00:05:42,385 because they were on it and then I heard it. 95 00:05:44,735 --> 00:05:47,695 It was so great. I said, "Okay, I'm done." 96 00:05:47,869 --> 00:05:49,305 "I'm done." - "I'll be in the hotel." 97 00:05:49,479 --> 00:05:50,915 That'll work, that'll work. 98 00:05:51,089 --> 00:05:52,569 "I'll be drinking champagne the rest of the night. 99 00:05:52,743 --> 00:05:54,005 - Thank you very much." Yeah, absolutely. 100 00:05:54,179 --> 00:05:55,485 - That's one of the things 101 00:05:55,659 --> 00:05:58,532 about this is that we got to meet and play 102 00:05:58,706 --> 00:05:59,881 with our heroes. 103 00:06:00,055 --> 00:06:01,056 - Yeah. Can you believe it? 104 00:06:01,230 --> 00:06:02,492 - Yeah. I can't play-- 105 00:06:02,666 --> 00:06:03,885 I'm still in shock that I got to play 106 00:06:04,059 --> 00:06:05,234 with some of the people I idolized. 107 00:06:05,408 --> 00:06:06,714 Absolutely. Yeah. 108 00:06:07,018 --> 00:06:08,324 And this is a big part of doing this for me, you know? 109 00:06:12,894 --> 00:06:17,159 Ten, 9, 8, 7... 110 00:06:26,037 --> 00:06:27,430 ♪ There's something wrong here ♪ 111 00:06:27,604 --> 00:06:30,302 ♪ There can be no denying ♪ 112 00:06:30,607 --> 00:06:32,609 ♪ One of us is changing ♪ 113 00:06:32,783 --> 00:06:36,178 ♪ Or maybe We've Just stopped trying ♪ 114 00:06:39,094 --> 00:06:44,142 ♪ And it's too late, baby, now It's too late ♪ 115 00:06:45,230 --> 00:06:46,710 I'm born in New York City 116 00:06:47,145 --> 00:06:49,365 and I grew up in the suburbs, Westchester County. 117 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,283 When I was ten years old, my mother bought me 118 00:06:54,457 --> 00:06:55,676 a Stella guitar 119 00:06:56,372 --> 00:06:58,113 and she thought I would look cute with a guitar. 120 00:06:58,592 --> 00:07:00,115 So I took the thing, and I banged on it, 121 00:07:00,289 --> 00:07:02,422 and I took a few lessons, and I struggled with it, 122 00:07:02,596 --> 00:07:04,380 and hated it, and everything like that. 123 00:07:06,121 --> 00:07:07,470 And rock and roll hit around '52. 124 00:07:07,644 --> 00:07:08,776 The first time I heard Elvis Presley, 125 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:10,299 I couldn't believe my ears. 126 00:07:10,908 --> 00:07:12,432 That was the greatest thing I ever heard in my life. 127 00:07:12,606 --> 00:07:13,563 Elvis, and Little Richard, and Fats Domino, 128 00:07:13,737 --> 00:07:14,521 it just really spoke to me. 129 00:07:16,261 --> 00:07:17,785 My parents hated it, of course, 130 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:20,614 as a lot of parents did at the time, but I loved it. 131 00:07:20,962 --> 00:07:24,182 And I felt that that was like the direction I was gonna go in. 132 00:07:28,491 --> 00:07:29,840 What really happened was 133 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:32,103 when I learned the three chords with which you could play 134 00:07:32,277 --> 00:07:34,105 every rock and roll song, that's when the heavens parted 135 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:35,759 and that's when I realized, "Man, this is it." 136 00:07:36,107 --> 00:07:37,413 At the airport... 137 00:07:37,892 --> 00:07:39,633 I was really into soul music and blues 138 00:07:39,807 --> 00:07:42,026 and the Beatles, they suggested a path 139 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,289 where you could translate R&B and soul music 140 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:45,595 into a guitar combo. 141 00:07:48,337 --> 00:07:50,470 As opposed to horns, B3 organ, background singers. 142 00:07:53,429 --> 00:07:54,865 Create a band that was all guitars, 143 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:56,693 but play the same kind of music that I loved. 144 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:01,045 Every summer my family, right after school was out, 145 00:08:01,219 --> 00:08:03,178 we'd get in the car and drive up to Martha's Vineyard 146 00:08:03,352 --> 00:08:04,701 and spend the whole summer up there. 147 00:08:05,136 --> 00:08:06,921 And that's where I met James, was up there. 148 00:08:07,095 --> 00:08:09,053 And both of us were just kind of lollygagging around 149 00:08:09,227 --> 00:08:11,534 the porch of the Menemsha store. 150 00:08:11,926 --> 00:08:14,189 And he and I started hanging out just as pals. 151 00:08:15,538 --> 00:08:18,541 Kootch and I met there and started hanging out. 152 00:08:18,846 --> 00:08:21,239 I was 13, I think, when we met. 153 00:08:22,545 --> 00:08:24,416 James and I used to get around on Martha's Vineyard 154 00:08:24,591 --> 00:08:27,158 by hitchhiking, like all us kids did, you know? 155 00:08:27,332 --> 00:08:28,856 At one point, we're walking down the street, 156 00:08:29,030 --> 00:08:30,988 trying to get a ride. He just starts singing. 157 00:08:31,162 --> 00:08:32,163 And he starts singing 158 00:08:32,686 --> 00:08:34,338 Ray Charles' "Hallelujah I Love Her So." 159 00:08:34,731 --> 00:08:37,299 ♪ Let me tell you about a girl I know ♪ 160 00:08:37,908 --> 00:08:40,258 Wow, this guy can sing. I mean, he can really sing. 161 00:08:40,563 --> 00:08:42,433 And I was astonished. 162 00:08:43,784 --> 00:08:45,915 Him and I used to sit around and play folk music and blues, 163 00:08:46,090 --> 00:08:47,352 a lot of blues. 164 00:08:47,918 --> 00:08:50,486 ♪ Well, it's something in The way she moves ♪ 165 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,880 ♪ Or looks my way ♪ 166 00:08:53,054 --> 00:08:54,229 And by the time he was 16 or 17, 167 00:08:54,403 --> 00:08:55,709 he was starting to write songs. 168 00:08:56,492 --> 00:08:59,103 ♪ That seems to leave This troubled world behind ♪ 169 00:08:59,277 --> 00:09:01,149 I always wanted to be a rock and roll star, 170 00:09:01,323 --> 00:09:04,065 but I wanted to be in a band. I didn't want it to be just me. 171 00:09:04,369 --> 00:09:07,416 I wanted to be in a hit band and so did everyone. 172 00:09:07,721 --> 00:09:09,287 I didn't want to be a solo artist. 173 00:09:09,461 --> 00:09:12,160 It's too lonely. Too much work. 174 00:09:12,334 --> 00:09:13,422 Too much responsibility. 175 00:09:13,596 --> 00:09:14,902 Too much responsibility. 176 00:09:15,337 --> 00:09:16,817 It was never even really a concept, really. 177 00:09:16,991 --> 00:09:19,080 You know, you come up playing in bands, 178 00:09:19,254 --> 00:09:21,256 you figure you want your band to be the one that makes it. 179 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:22,779 - And you're part of this... - That's right. 180 00:09:22,953 --> 00:09:24,476 ...you know, machine that works. 181 00:09:24,651 --> 00:09:27,262 ♪ We're back in Chicago On a rainy day ♪ 182 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:28,829 Well, the King Bees was first. 183 00:09:29,003 --> 00:09:30,178 That was the first band I started 184 00:09:30,352 --> 00:09:32,049 as soon as I graduated high school. 185 00:09:32,528 --> 00:09:35,226 ♪ All day and night this cat Just sat around and blew ♪ 186 00:09:36,227 --> 00:09:37,925 When we came to tour America, 187 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:41,102 somebody would organize a Peter and Gordon backup band. 188 00:09:41,276 --> 00:09:43,365 Somebody supplied us with or introduced us 189 00:09:43,539 --> 00:09:44,758 to the King Bees. 190 00:09:45,106 --> 00:09:46,281 And of course, Danny. 191 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,589 And we also became close personal friends. 192 00:09:50,154 --> 00:09:52,243 The King Bees, shortly after that, kind of sank. 193 00:09:52,417 --> 00:09:54,550 'Cause we couldn't get arrested, we couldn't get anything going. 194 00:09:54,985 --> 00:09:57,292 But I was fortunate enough to continue a relationship 195 00:09:57,727 --> 00:09:59,337 with my pal, Peter Asher. 196 00:10:00,208 --> 00:10:01,905 In 1966, 197 00:10:02,384 --> 00:10:04,473 Kootch encouraged me to come down to New York. 198 00:10:05,256 --> 00:10:06,649 And he stayed with me in my place 199 00:10:06,823 --> 00:10:08,259 and ended up getting his own place. 200 00:10:08,433 --> 00:10:09,739 And we started a band, you know? 201 00:10:10,566 --> 00:10:12,220 And the band was The Flying Machine. 202 00:10:12,524 --> 00:10:15,876 ♪ I'm a night owl, honey Sleep all day long ♪ 203 00:10:16,050 --> 00:10:17,138 I actually wanted to call it, 204 00:10:17,312 --> 00:10:18,400 "The James Taylor Band." 205 00:10:18,966 --> 00:10:20,402 But he didn't want to stick his neck out that far. 206 00:10:20,794 --> 00:10:22,404 ♪ Now most folks they Like the good day time ♪ 207 00:10:23,274 --> 00:10:24,798 ♪ They like To see the shining sun ♪ 208 00:10:24,972 --> 00:10:26,364 We did really well at the Night Owl Cafe 209 00:10:26,538 --> 00:10:27,844 down there in the village. 210 00:10:28,497 --> 00:10:29,933 And we played there for, I don't know, almost a year. 211 00:10:30,107 --> 00:10:31,456 One night, Buffalo Springfield came in. 212 00:10:32,675 --> 00:10:34,242 Our jaws hit the floor. 213 00:10:34,415 --> 00:10:35,156 We couldn't believe what we were hearing. 214 00:10:35,330 --> 00:10:36,592 It was so good. 215 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:38,028 So much so that our bass player said, 216 00:10:38,202 --> 00:10:39,203 "Well, we're never gonna be that good. 217 00:10:39,377 --> 00:10:40,378 We might as well quit." 218 00:10:41,075 --> 00:10:43,077 And when that band broke up, James decided 219 00:10:43,251 --> 00:10:44,948 that he was gonna go try his luck in London. 220 00:10:45,862 --> 00:10:49,605 So, I gave him Peter Asher's phone number and address. 221 00:10:49,953 --> 00:10:51,215 And as luck would have it, 222 00:10:51,389 --> 00:10:53,174 Peter had just accepted a position 223 00:10:53,348 --> 00:10:56,568 at the Beatles' new label, Apple Records. 224 00:10:56,743 --> 00:10:58,832 It was just perfect timing, you know? 225 00:10:59,093 --> 00:11:02,052 James essentially called me up out of the blue, 226 00:11:02,618 --> 00:11:05,360 played me a demo tape he'd made in London. 227 00:11:05,534 --> 00:11:07,231 I said to him, "I think this is brilliant. 228 00:11:07,405 --> 00:11:08,711 You know, I love your guitar playing. 229 00:11:08,885 --> 00:11:10,713 I love your singing. I love your songs. 230 00:11:10,887 --> 00:11:12,236 Would you like a record deal?" 231 00:11:12,410 --> 00:11:13,324 And he said, "Yes, please, I'd love one." 232 00:11:13,498 --> 00:11:14,804 And that was kind of it. 233 00:11:14,978 --> 00:11:16,676 I'd really run out of gas in New York City. 234 00:11:16,850 --> 00:11:18,025 It was not a friendly environment. 235 00:11:19,983 --> 00:11:21,768 Freezing cold. I remember walking down, 236 00:11:21,942 --> 00:11:23,552 trying to get back to my pad, walking down the street. 237 00:11:23,726 --> 00:11:25,554 It's snowing. I'm carrying an amp and a guitar, 238 00:11:25,728 --> 00:11:27,730 and I can't get a cab, and I'm freezing my ass off. 239 00:11:28,949 --> 00:11:30,690 When I was offered a gig to go out to LA, 240 00:11:30,864 --> 00:11:34,302 I said, "Sure," you know, a band called Clear Light. 241 00:11:34,781 --> 00:11:36,391 They needed a new guitar player right away, 242 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,567 and auditioned for them and got the gig. 243 00:11:39,394 --> 00:11:40,874 And away we went. 244 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:51,058 When I first moved out there, I lived in Laurel Canyon. 245 00:11:51,232 --> 00:11:53,190 And everyone was dressed wearing fringe jackets 246 00:11:53,364 --> 00:11:54,322 And groovy hats. 247 00:11:54,496 --> 00:11:56,540 And I dug it immediately. 248 00:11:57,629 --> 00:11:59,414 One of the first people I met when I moved out here 249 00:11:59,588 --> 00:12:00,807 was David Crosby. 250 00:12:01,198 --> 00:12:02,460 And then I met Stills after that, 251 00:12:02,634 --> 00:12:04,506 and everyone was coming by. 252 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:07,422 That's where I met Jackson, and Joni Mitchell came by. 253 00:12:07,901 --> 00:12:09,424 And I realized that I'd walked into 254 00:12:09,598 --> 00:12:11,556 what was a terrific music community. 255 00:12:13,689 --> 00:12:17,084 Now, right down the road on Wonderland Avenue was Carole. 256 00:12:17,388 --> 00:12:19,173 She was living there with her daughters 257 00:12:19,347 --> 00:12:21,653 and with Charlie, Charlie Larkey. 258 00:12:22,045 --> 00:12:24,352 And so I always used to go down there, 259 00:12:24,526 --> 00:12:26,354 'cause I loved Carole so much, and I wanted to work 260 00:12:26,528 --> 00:12:27,703 on her music. 261 00:12:27,964 --> 00:12:30,967 And we all grew together at that point. 262 00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:33,143 I'd like to invite a very good friend of mine 263 00:12:33,317 --> 00:12:35,058 to be on TV with me, Mr. Danny Kootch. 264 00:12:38,235 --> 00:12:40,063 James and I made one album for Apple. 265 00:12:40,324 --> 00:12:44,198 Apple was falling apart. So I sat down with Joe Smith 266 00:12:44,502 --> 00:12:46,069 to make a deal with Warner Brothers. 267 00:12:47,418 --> 00:12:49,725 I moved here in 1970 to Los Angeles 268 00:12:49,899 --> 00:12:52,554 in order to get a band together for those sessions. 269 00:12:54,034 --> 00:12:55,426 We knew we wanted Danny. 270 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:58,952 I met Carole through Kootch and asked her 271 00:12:59,126 --> 00:13:00,649 if she would consider playing on James' record. 272 00:13:01,650 --> 00:13:03,565 I was looking for a drummer and found Russ. 273 00:13:03,739 --> 00:13:05,915 I was playing with a man named John Stewart. 274 00:13:06,089 --> 00:13:07,917 Peter came and listened to me play and hired me 275 00:13:08,091 --> 00:13:09,876 for the Sweet Baby Jamesalbum. 276 00:13:10,224 --> 00:13:12,356 John Stewart never quite forgave me, to be honest. 277 00:13:12,835 --> 00:13:15,142 He would laughingly, you know, 278 00:13:15,316 --> 00:13:16,447 accuse me of stealing his drummer, 279 00:13:16,621 --> 00:13:18,493 but there was a little edge to it. 280 00:13:18,928 --> 00:13:20,669 And 'cause I sort of did. 281 00:13:21,409 --> 00:13:22,889 And I remember Russ would always like, 282 00:13:23,063 --> 00:13:24,368 at that time, he would show up early, 283 00:13:24,542 --> 00:13:26,283 you know, set up his own drums himself. 284 00:13:26,457 --> 00:13:29,243 And when I got there for the very first session, 285 00:13:29,417 --> 00:13:31,506 he was already all set up and polishing his cymbals 286 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,290 and you know, it was a new experience for all of us. 287 00:13:48,566 --> 00:13:52,135 ♪ Flying machines In pieces on the ground ♪ 288 00:13:53,528 --> 00:13:57,227 ♪ Whoa, I've seen fire And I've seen rain ♪ 289 00:13:58,794 --> 00:14:00,404 The first time I saw him play, 290 00:14:00,578 --> 00:14:03,494 I was astonished that he could have this dynamic. 291 00:14:03,668 --> 00:14:06,976 He'd play this really quiet, solid, but quiet, 292 00:14:07,150 --> 00:14:08,848 and then have these big toms happen 293 00:14:09,022 --> 00:14:10,414 and punctuate the song. 294 00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:18,509 ♪ I thought I'd see you One more time again ♪ 295 00:14:20,642 --> 00:14:22,600 ♪ There's just a few Things coming ♪ 296 00:14:22,774 --> 00:14:25,255 ♪ my way this time around ♪ 297 00:14:25,952 --> 00:14:27,649 My older brother, he's the one that got me started. 298 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:31,131 He had a band that rehearsed in the house. 299 00:14:31,305 --> 00:14:32,741 One day he just sat me on his knee 300 00:14:32,915 --> 00:14:34,351 and put the sticks in my hand and you know, 301 00:14:34,525 --> 00:14:36,397 moved my hands around and I was bit. 302 00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:40,967 I joined the orchestra in the fifth grade. 303 00:14:41,141 --> 00:14:43,230 I would just start riffing on the snare drum, you know, 304 00:14:43,534 --> 00:14:45,014 kind of imitating Gene Krupa. 305 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:51,238 Poorly. And I was probably told more than once to not do that, 306 00:14:51,412 --> 00:14:53,022 'cause it was disrupting the class, 307 00:14:53,283 --> 00:14:55,895 and I did it one more time, extra loud, and that was it, 308 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:58,245 you know, I was ejected from the fifth-grade orchestra. 309 00:15:02,292 --> 00:15:04,164 ♪ And settled in its ways here ♪ 310 00:15:04,947 --> 00:15:07,036 ♪ Oh, but California ♪ 311 00:15:07,210 --> 00:15:09,212 I was living in Southern California. 312 00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:11,475 I was in various different bands 313 00:15:11,649 --> 00:15:13,303 and we played surf music, 314 00:15:13,477 --> 00:15:15,610 'cause that was really big, you know, in the '60s. 315 00:15:15,871 --> 00:15:17,568 Hugely influenced by The Beatles 316 00:15:17,742 --> 00:15:20,528 because no one had ever heard anything like that before. 317 00:15:21,181 --> 00:15:22,747 But I just had this feeling that, 318 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:25,576 "Wow, that is so different than anything 319 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:27,013 that I've ever heard. 320 00:15:27,187 --> 00:15:28,884 That means that if they can do that, 321 00:15:29,058 --> 00:15:31,452 maybe I can be part of something like that, too." 322 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:34,542 The summer of my 11th grade, 323 00:15:34,716 --> 00:15:37,327 the moment that I decided that I wanted to be a musician 324 00:15:37,501 --> 00:15:38,720 and nothing else. 325 00:15:39,677 --> 00:15:41,462 My mom was very supportive of that. 326 00:15:41,636 --> 00:15:42,854 We didn't have a lot of money. 327 00:15:43,203 --> 00:15:44,987 So, that summer, she said to me, she said, 328 00:15:45,161 --> 00:15:48,208 "You know, Russ, you're gonna have to get a job this summer." 329 00:15:48,686 --> 00:15:50,906 A block away, there was a Signal gas station. 330 00:15:51,211 --> 00:15:52,821 I got a job there for the summer. 331 00:15:53,169 --> 00:15:54,997 And you know, at the end of the workday, 332 00:15:55,171 --> 00:15:57,217 your hands are absolutely black and it's summer 333 00:15:57,391 --> 00:15:59,871 and you've sweated your ass off the whole day. 334 00:16:00,394 --> 00:16:02,309 And at that moment, when I finished my last day, 335 00:16:02,483 --> 00:16:03,832 I said, "That's it. 336 00:16:04,398 --> 00:16:06,878 I'm gonna do this music thing, 'cause I ain't doing that." 337 00:16:10,404 --> 00:16:12,319 I came to Hollywood with a band, 338 00:16:12,493 --> 00:16:14,408 that I was in Long Beach, called Things to Come. 339 00:16:14,582 --> 00:16:16,497 We were the opening act to the Whiskey a Go Go 340 00:16:16,671 --> 00:16:18,020 for 19 weeks. 341 00:16:18,455 --> 00:16:21,328 Somebody told me that I had to hear this kid drummer 342 00:16:21,502 --> 00:16:23,330 from this little band, down on the coast. 343 00:16:23,895 --> 00:16:25,462 And I said, "Sure." 344 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,726 And it was the Things to Come. The band sucked. 345 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,338 And Russell was fucking glorious. 346 00:16:32,382 --> 00:16:34,341 Like most bands do, they have a shelf life. 347 00:16:34,732 --> 00:16:36,386 Musicians are constantly unemployed 348 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,822 until you get your next gig. 349 00:16:38,084 --> 00:16:40,303 My wife, Leah, was gonna have a baby. 350 00:16:40,477 --> 00:16:43,045 And so, I needed to get busy. 351 00:16:43,219 --> 00:16:46,092 That's when I decided I'm gonna try to do this, 352 00:16:46,266 --> 00:16:47,702 be a session musician thing. 353 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:49,660 Any time I went and did a session, 354 00:16:49,834 --> 00:16:51,793 one of my goals was to find out what's needed 355 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:54,230 and wanted from the artist or the producer 356 00:16:54,404 --> 00:16:55,753 to create a situation where, 357 00:16:55,927 --> 00:16:57,233 hopefully, they would hire me back. 358 00:16:57,929 --> 00:17:00,671 So, I never had an attitude that I didn't care, 359 00:17:00,845 --> 00:17:03,326 it was my way or the highway. I wanted to please them. 360 00:17:04,196 --> 00:17:05,981 My main goal was to not get fired. 361 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:11,334 ♪ There is a young cowboy who lives on the range ♪ 362 00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:14,858 All of us met over at Peter Asher's pad 363 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:16,296 in his living room. 364 00:17:16,686 --> 00:17:18,166 The first time I met Danny Kortchmar, 365 00:17:18,340 --> 00:17:19,864 I was sitting, playing acoustic guitar. 366 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,040 And I put my drum set up 367 00:17:22,214 --> 00:17:24,391 and we rehearsed the songs for Sweet Baby James. 368 00:17:24,565 --> 00:17:26,045 We rehearsed that in the afternoon 369 00:17:26,219 --> 00:17:28,134 and went in the studio at night and did the songs. 370 00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:30,614 We were relying to some degree 371 00:17:30,788 --> 00:17:32,877 on the creativity of the musicians. 372 00:17:33,356 --> 00:17:36,185 Peter expected all of us to think like producers. 373 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,491 In other words, 374 00:17:38,274 --> 00:17:39,536 we were supposed to play stuff that was gonna help the record. 375 00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:43,018 You know, what Kootch contributes or Russ, 376 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,151 that can take it in its own direction. 377 00:17:45,325 --> 00:17:48,415 And then from there, everything, the dominoes started to fall. 378 00:17:49,242 --> 00:17:51,635 ♪ Country road ♪ 379 00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:56,553 I was 15 and I was heavily influenced 380 00:17:56,727 --> 00:17:57,902 by James Taylor. 381 00:17:58,207 --> 00:17:59,774 He had impacted me in that I'd learned 382 00:17:59,948 --> 00:18:01,341 everything I could off the record. 383 00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:04,735 And I remember getting the record 384 00:18:04,909 --> 00:18:05,997 and just playing it over, and over, and over again. 385 00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:09,088 I mean, James was like the catalyst 386 00:18:09,262 --> 00:18:11,786 for this new movement in music. 387 00:18:12,439 --> 00:18:14,310 Once he got on the cover ofTime Magazine, yeah. 388 00:18:14,484 --> 00:18:15,920 Yeah, it changed dramatically. 389 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:17,661 Right, James became this huge star. 390 00:18:17,835 --> 00:18:19,054 I don't think any of us, you know, 391 00:18:19,228 --> 00:18:20,577 we weren't sitting around, going, 392 00:18:20,751 --> 00:18:22,492 "Oh, it's gonna be huge. Oh, it's gonna be-- " 393 00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:23,624 - We didn't think like that. It ain't like that, 394 00:18:23,798 --> 00:18:25,234 You know, "That's a good song. 395 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:27,410 The next one, that's a good song, too. 396 00:18:27,584 --> 00:18:29,456 That's not such a good song. But that one is a good song." 397 00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:31,197 That's all we thought about at the moment. 398 00:18:31,545 --> 00:18:32,981 You know, we don't sit around thinking 399 00:18:33,155 --> 00:18:34,374 about "We're going to be a star. 400 00:18:34,548 --> 00:18:35,853 This guy's gonna be a huge star." 401 00:18:36,027 --> 00:18:38,291 I think we were just kind of being quiet, 402 00:18:38,465 --> 00:18:40,075 so no one yanked us out of the position 403 00:18:40,249 --> 00:18:41,555 - that we were already in. [chuckles] Good point. 404 00:18:41,729 --> 00:18:42,904 - Good point. Exactly. 405 00:18:43,078 --> 00:18:45,254 - Keep it on the low down. - Shh. 406 00:18:45,428 --> 00:18:47,169 After the record became very successful, 407 00:18:47,343 --> 00:18:49,040 I wanted to get the whole band who played 408 00:18:49,215 --> 00:18:53,436 on the record to come and play the Troubadour. 409 00:18:53,784 --> 00:18:55,960 Right, now I'd like to bring out some other people 410 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:57,832 to help me out a little bit. 411 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:01,618 Mr. Russell Kunkel and Mr. Leland Sklar. 412 00:19:02,445 --> 00:19:05,100 I mean, for me, meeting all you guys, 413 00:19:05,622 --> 00:19:08,930 I came in slightly after the fact that, you know, 414 00:19:09,104 --> 00:19:10,453 that album had been cut 415 00:19:10,801 --> 00:19:13,369 and the gig at the Troubadour had been booked to do. 416 00:19:13,543 --> 00:19:16,894 And I met James at our Wolfgang rehearsal. 417 00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:20,550 John Fischbach, he was just a friend of the band. 418 00:19:20,724 --> 00:19:22,204 One of our rehearsals, he brought a friend 419 00:19:22,378 --> 00:19:23,814 of his along with him... 420 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:27,078 who turned out to be James Taylor. 421 00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:30,081 'Cause I distinctly remember him calling me, 422 00:19:30,256 --> 00:19:31,518 telling me that he found, 423 00:19:31,779 --> 00:19:33,084 you know, the bass player of his dreams. 424 00:19:33,346 --> 00:19:35,304 They tracked me down and they asked me 425 00:19:35,478 --> 00:19:37,045 if I would play this gig with them. 426 00:19:37,219 --> 00:19:38,351 And I said, "Oh, I'd love to." 427 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:41,180 And that was where I met Kootch for the first time 428 00:19:41,354 --> 00:19:42,703 and I met Russ. 429 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:44,531 I was playing one show with the guy, 430 00:19:44,705 --> 00:19:46,533 I was still in college, and next thing I know, 431 00:19:46,707 --> 00:19:48,448 it turned into 50 plus years. 432 00:20:08,946 --> 00:20:11,210 ♪ I see you smile at me ♪ 433 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:17,041 ♪ No one can tell me That I'm doing wrong ♪ 434 00:20:17,346 --> 00:20:20,784 Leland who? 435 00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:22,699 ♪ Whenever I see Your smiling face my way ♪ 436 00:20:24,571 --> 00:20:26,660 And you know, Lee, I mean, the way he plays, 437 00:20:26,834 --> 00:20:30,446 it's like he literally makes love to the bass. 438 00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:37,148 So Leland is one of the greatest examples, 439 00:20:37,323 --> 00:20:39,890 ever, of living in two worlds. 440 00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:42,284 Leland Sklar is a genius bass player. 441 00:20:42,458 --> 00:20:43,677 Listen to "Doctor My Eyes." 442 00:20:43,851 --> 00:20:45,940 Then go listen to all my TV bullshit 443 00:20:46,114 --> 00:20:49,117 and he would come in and read his butt off 444 00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:51,075 and play his butt off. 445 00:20:51,424 --> 00:20:54,949 And then be able to go out on the road and be authentic. 446 00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,141 My earliest memories about music 447 00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:14,969 really were The Liberace Show. 448 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:27,198 My parents, they were big fans of Liberace. 449 00:21:28,765 --> 00:21:30,158 I was about four years old 450 00:21:30,811 --> 00:21:32,203 and I'd sneak around the corner while they were watching it 451 00:21:32,378 --> 00:21:34,118 and I'd lay there and I'd watch it, too. 452 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:37,513 And I just became enamored with the whole kind of panache 453 00:21:37,687 --> 00:21:40,168 of him sitting there in his tux, and his big rings, 454 00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:41,822 and a candelabra. 455 00:21:42,257 --> 00:21:45,826 For some reason, when I sat down at a piano, I had an affinity. 456 00:21:47,131 --> 00:21:50,047 I was a classical snob when I studied piano. 457 00:21:50,221 --> 00:21:52,093 I didn't know anything about rock and roll, 458 00:21:52,267 --> 00:21:55,270 didn't care. I was really classically trained. 459 00:21:55,575 --> 00:21:57,098 It wasn't until The Beatles 460 00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:59,318 that I really turned my head around 461 00:21:59,492 --> 00:22:02,712 and thought there was something more to look at. 462 00:22:03,234 --> 00:22:04,888 When I went into junior high school 463 00:22:05,062 --> 00:22:06,890 at Birmingham and when I arrived, 464 00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:09,719 I had this kind of moderate arrogance 465 00:22:09,893 --> 00:22:11,330 that I was gonna be your piano player 466 00:22:11,504 --> 00:22:13,201 'cause I had had these awards 467 00:22:13,375 --> 00:22:16,247 from the Hollywood Bowl Association and all this crap. 468 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:19,903 And I went in and the music teacher, Ted Lynn, 469 00:22:20,077 --> 00:22:21,688 he brought out a bass and I put-- 470 00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:23,516 Showed me how to hold it and I plucked a note 471 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:25,039 and felt that vibration run through 472 00:22:25,213 --> 00:22:26,954 and I just went, "Sold." 473 00:22:27,128 --> 00:22:28,564 And the thing that was hard was, 474 00:22:28,956 --> 00:22:30,436 - I mean, I didn't have a bass. 475 00:22:30,958 --> 00:22:32,263 We had a piano at home, so they would let me, like, 476 00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:33,961 carry the bass home from school. 477 00:22:34,135 --> 00:22:35,832 You know... ...a little kid dragging 478 00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:37,660 a string bass, you know, a couple of miles home. 479 00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:40,184 You know, it was kind of like walking through snow 480 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,099 and bare feet this deep, you know... 481 00:22:42,273 --> 00:22:43,579 ...in the dead of winter. 482 00:22:45,973 --> 00:22:48,149 Since I was a little kid, I've dealt with nothing, 483 00:22:48,323 --> 00:22:50,499 a profound low self-esteem. 484 00:22:51,718 --> 00:22:54,503 My flesh crawls when people start complimenting me, 485 00:22:54,677 --> 00:22:56,070 'cause I don't think I deserve it. 486 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,073 Could be, a little hiding. 487 00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:02,859 But the last time I actually was totally clean shaven 488 00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:04,992 was when they gave me my high school diploma. 489 00:23:05,514 --> 00:23:08,125 That's the last time I saw my upper lip, was '65. 490 00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:10,301 Have you ever noticed, ladies and gentlemen, 491 00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:14,828 that every generation has had a particular kind of music 492 00:23:15,002 --> 00:23:16,873 they considered all their very own? 493 00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:18,832 You know, like now it's rock and roll. 494 00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:24,446 I like the responsibility of the bass 495 00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:26,622 and you can be the guy in the back, 496 00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:28,363 you don't have to be the guy up front, 497 00:23:28,711 --> 00:23:30,060 you know, hanging it all out. 498 00:23:33,455 --> 00:23:36,589 I knew I'd always play music, but it never occurred to me 499 00:23:36,763 --> 00:23:40,157 that I would actually be able to have this be my vocation 500 00:23:40,331 --> 00:23:41,768 rather than an avocation. 501 00:23:42,943 --> 00:23:44,205 Being a musician, 502 00:23:44,814 --> 00:23:46,163 it was always-- They'd kind of look at musicians 503 00:23:46,337 --> 00:23:47,817 as like the fringe element. 504 00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:50,646 Everybody would look at what you do 505 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:51,995 as it's your hobby. 506 00:23:52,605 --> 00:23:53,910 At some point, you got to get serious 507 00:23:54,084 --> 00:23:56,304 and think about a job, you know, be a 508 00:23:56,478 --> 00:23:58,132 doctor or an electrician 509 00:23:58,306 --> 00:24:00,656 or a plumber or a lawyer or something like that. 510 00:24:01,614 --> 00:24:04,791 When all hell breaks loose, you stand on a corner 511 00:24:05,139 --> 00:24:06,619 and be an executive 512 00:24:06,793 --> 00:24:08,055 and I'll stand there and play music 513 00:24:08,229 --> 00:24:09,448 and let's see who gets paid. 514 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:17,325 Carole, Danny, Lee, and I toured the Sweet Baby Jamesalbum 515 00:24:17,499 --> 00:24:18,631 with James. 516 00:24:19,109 --> 00:24:20,981 And you know, she'd been writing these songs 517 00:24:21,155 --> 00:24:23,549 and he really encouraged her to get out there and do it. 518 00:24:24,637 --> 00:24:26,334 She gets introduced-- Well, I introduced her 519 00:24:26,508 --> 00:24:29,337 to James and Peter and all, and it started to be 520 00:24:29,511 --> 00:24:31,034 this whole circle of people 521 00:24:31,208 --> 00:24:33,297 who were working together. Russ, Lee, of course. 522 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,299 Carole was there as the piano player. 523 00:24:36,083 --> 00:24:38,912 So, one night, I don't know whether it was prepared or not, 524 00:24:39,086 --> 00:24:40,696 but he says, "This is Carole King, 525 00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:42,393 she's written some incredibly great songs. 526 00:24:42,655 --> 00:24:43,656 Carole, sing a few songs 527 00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:45,179 - for the audience." - Yeah. 528 00:24:45,353 --> 00:24:46,528 And she didn't know what to expect 529 00:24:46,702 --> 00:24:47,834 - and was terrified. 530 00:24:48,008 --> 00:24:49,488 But she sang the first song, 531 00:24:49,662 --> 00:24:51,011 whichever it was, and the audience goes nuts. 532 00:24:51,185 --> 00:24:52,882 They start applauding and yelling. 533 00:24:53,056 --> 00:24:56,233 The next thing that happens is Doug Wester gets on the mic, 534 00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:57,583 "Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry, 535 00:24:57,757 --> 00:24:59,280 we're gonna have to clear the hall. 536 00:24:59,454 --> 00:25:01,717 There's been a bomb scare." 537 00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,719 Whether they were freaking out, I couldn't tell, 538 00:25:03,893 --> 00:25:06,200 'cause I remember before they filed out, 539 00:25:06,374 --> 00:25:08,332 the words that popped out of my mouth when he said, 540 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,987 "I think they say there's a bomb in here," 541 00:25:11,248 --> 00:25:14,077 - "As long as it's not me." 542 00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:16,515 First time. - That was at the Troubadour. 543 00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:17,951 - At the Troubadour, yes. 544 00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:20,736 Lou Adler signed her to A&M. 545 00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:22,651 And the next thing you know, Carole's in the studio 546 00:25:22,825 --> 00:25:23,696 cutting Tapestry. 547 00:25:25,349 --> 00:25:27,308 Tapestry was all new for me. 548 00:25:27,961 --> 00:25:31,094 You know, I wanted as much of Carole as possible. 549 00:25:31,791 --> 00:25:34,141 All we did was take the magic of what we would do 550 00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:37,144 in a living room, take it into the studio. 551 00:25:37,579 --> 00:25:41,452 ♪ I feel the earth move Under my feet ♪ 552 00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:44,586 ♪ I feel the sky Crumbling down ♪ 553 00:25:45,065 --> 00:25:47,807 With Kootch, I could really communicate 554 00:25:48,155 --> 00:25:52,115 and could translate that into actual playing. 555 00:25:53,682 --> 00:25:55,292 ♪ Ooh, baby ♪ 556 00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:59,775 Kootch can play anything from the '40s to the future. 557 00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:03,692 Tapestry, the whole thing was done in three weeks. 558 00:26:03,953 --> 00:26:05,172 Three songs in one day. 559 00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:06,695 And we didn't piece together 560 00:26:06,869 --> 00:26:08,088 - the best. - No, it wasn't overdubbed. 561 00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:09,655 It was live. 562 00:26:10,003 --> 00:26:11,874 ♪ Hey, I feel the earth move ♪ 563 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,529 ♪ Now you look so unhappy ♪ 564 00:26:14,703 --> 00:26:17,358 We would know when we had the magic take, 565 00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:19,142 because when we got it, we got it. 566 00:26:19,316 --> 00:26:21,231 It was magic. It was the first time. 567 00:26:21,405 --> 00:26:23,712 It was fresh. It was new. It was unique. 568 00:26:23,886 --> 00:26:25,496 And everybody clicked. 569 00:26:25,671 --> 00:26:27,890 ♪ Now it's too late Though we really did ♪ 570 00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:29,457 I was playing solos live. 571 00:26:29,631 --> 00:26:31,198 Carole would just say, "Oh, play a solo there." 572 00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:32,547 "Okay." 573 00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:34,593 I wasn't thinking about it too much. 574 00:26:34,767 --> 00:26:36,290 I just played it off the top of my head. 575 00:26:36,986 --> 00:26:38,901 It had to be a sad, kind of melancholy solo. 576 00:26:39,293 --> 00:26:42,339 ♪ Oh, no, no ♪ 577 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,693 The solos Kootch played on Carole's record, 578 00:26:47,867 --> 00:26:50,696 they were brilliant, 'cause they were a little bit jazzy 579 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:54,482 in a way and not strictly rock and roll. 580 00:26:59,530 --> 00:27:01,445 I'm glad I didn't have another shot at that solo, 581 00:27:01,707 --> 00:27:03,709 because I would have pissed my pants realizing that, 582 00:27:03,883 --> 00:27:05,362 you know, everyone was gonna hear it. 583 00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:07,495 But I didn't know that I was gonna be listening to it 584 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:10,629 in every supermarket, every drugstore forever. 585 00:27:13,806 --> 00:27:16,243 Every day for the rest of your life. 586 00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:17,853 - That's right. Yeah. 587 00:27:18,985 --> 00:27:22,336 1971 was a crazy year. 588 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:25,426 Danny Kortchmar and I were working on Carole King's 589 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,732 Tapestry album. 590 00:27:27,123 --> 00:27:29,256 And at the same time, Leland and Danny and I, 591 00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:32,825 were working on James Taylor's Mud Slide Slimalbum. 592 00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:36,524 ♪ All you got to do is call ♪ 593 00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:39,440 ♪ And I'll be there ♪ 594 00:27:39,614 --> 00:27:41,703 It was a busy time. Sure was, yeah. 595 00:27:43,618 --> 00:27:45,359 I was an avid record buyer. 596 00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:48,971 And I bought records by people I liked, 597 00:27:49,145 --> 00:27:52,888 but also by the guys behind. 598 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,805 You'd follow certain people, you know? 599 00:27:57,066 --> 00:27:59,852 I was transfixed by what those guys did 600 00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:01,505 to support the songs. 601 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,985 And that changed the whole way I thought about 602 00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:06,423 what a session guy does, how to support a song, 603 00:28:06,597 --> 00:28:08,512 what a band does, what a bass player does, 604 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,123 - what a drummer does. I remember 605 00:28:10,297 --> 00:28:12,342 seeing Russ Kunkel's name on records. 606 00:28:12,516 --> 00:28:14,301 Of course, you know the James Taylor records. 607 00:28:14,954 --> 00:28:17,391 Of course, back in those days, you didn't always see 608 00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:19,132 those guys, you know? 609 00:28:19,436 --> 00:28:21,090 It wasn't like their pictures were in the fan magazines 610 00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:22,135 all the time. 611 00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:24,790 Peter was the one who instigated 612 00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:26,966 putting musicians' names on albums. 613 00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:28,489 He was the first guy to do it. 614 00:28:28,924 --> 00:28:32,014 It was a subtler view of how this music was made. 615 00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:33,929 You started to learn that different people 616 00:28:34,103 --> 00:28:35,539 played different ways. And what was the difference? 617 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:36,758 And how did it sound? 618 00:28:37,454 --> 00:28:40,153 And I just remember seeing these three names 619 00:28:40,327 --> 00:28:41,850 on records all the time. 620 00:28:42,242 --> 00:28:43,504 "Who are those punks?" 621 00:28:43,678 --> 00:28:45,680 Well, you drummer, bass player, fine. 622 00:28:45,854 --> 00:28:46,986 "Who's this guy, Kootch?" 623 00:28:47,551 --> 00:28:49,075 "Who are these fucking guys? Who's this guy, Kootch? 624 00:28:49,597 --> 00:28:52,295 Why is he on all these records? How does he get all these gigs?" 625 00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:54,341 Well, I'd been hearing about Waddy, 626 00:28:54,515 --> 00:28:55,603 and he'd been hearing about me. 627 00:28:55,995 --> 00:28:57,431 But we hadn't run into each other. 628 00:28:57,823 --> 00:28:59,302 Lou Adler called both Waddy and I 629 00:28:59,476 --> 00:29:01,652 to play on a Tim Curry album. 630 00:29:01,914 --> 00:29:03,742 As soon as he walked in, I took one look at him. 631 00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:05,047 It was love at first sight. 632 00:29:05,482 --> 00:29:07,180 I was almost like, "I know this guy. 633 00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:08,659 I know this guy." 634 00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:10,531 'Cause I could tell, just his attitude, 635 00:29:10,705 --> 00:29:11,924 the way he walked in. 636 00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:13,447 I just knew what he was all about. 637 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:16,015 He looked like an adorable Muppet. 638 00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,800 So of course, the second we met, we loved each other. 639 00:29:18,974 --> 00:29:20,236 And it was like the beginning of our, 640 00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:22,064 aside from our personal relationship, 641 00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:24,719 our guitar relationship. We instantly knew what to do, 642 00:29:24,893 --> 00:29:26,155 what the other guy wouldn't be doing. 643 00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:28,636 So they were like considered the LA guys. 644 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,899 But there was something that was different about them. 645 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:37,166 And I was like, "What is so different about... 646 00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:41,040 their playing that doesn't necessarily-- 647 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,001 It's not your typical LA kind of thing." 648 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,439 And then I found out they were two Jews from New York. 649 00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:50,876 And I said, "Well, there you have it, 650 00:29:51,050 --> 00:29:53,487 my people. Now I get it." 651 00:30:11,722 --> 00:30:16,379 ♪ Where you just have To wish to make it so ♪ 652 00:30:17,728 --> 00:30:21,645 ♪ Let's go up on the roof ♪ 653 00:30:22,124 --> 00:30:23,952 I would turn around and I'd watch him playing, 654 00:30:24,126 --> 00:30:27,042 and just go like, "He's extraordinary. 655 00:30:27,347 --> 00:30:28,696 You know, he's just extraordinary." 656 00:30:36,356 --> 00:30:41,143 ♪ At night the stars They put on a show ♪ 657 00:30:41,317 --> 00:30:45,060 At five years old, I saw somebody on TV playing a guitar. 658 00:30:51,632 --> 00:30:53,764 My mom was standing there and I said, "What's is that? 659 00:30:53,939 --> 00:30:54,940 What's this guy doing?" 660 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,639 And she goes, "That's a guitar." I went, 661 00:30:58,813 --> 00:31:00,249 "Okay. That's what I want to do." 662 00:31:03,731 --> 00:31:05,037 And she went, "You're five years old. 663 00:31:05,428 --> 00:31:06,386 What are you talking about?" And I said, "That's it. 664 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,430 That's all I want." 665 00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:12,044 Age nine, I got a guitar for Christmas or Hanukkah. 666 00:31:12,522 --> 00:31:14,263 And it was a Les Paul. 667 00:31:14,568 --> 00:31:16,526 Being a rotten kid, I went, "This ain't the one I want." 668 00:31:16,962 --> 00:31:19,921 No, it was the yellow kind, not the black one that I wanted. 669 00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:22,576 Started taking lessons at age nine. 670 00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:31,193 All this really amazing guitar stuff started 671 00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:32,934 slapping me in the head. 672 00:31:33,108 --> 00:31:35,676 And there was Duane Eddy and Carl Perkins. 673 00:31:36,807 --> 00:31:39,158 ♪ Hey, honey, don't ♪ 674 00:31:40,724 --> 00:31:42,378 I had a band, called Twice Nicely. 675 00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:45,729 I got a phone call from Ahmet Ertegun 676 00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:48,123 with my demo playing in the background 677 00:31:48,297 --> 00:31:50,430 and him telling me, "I love this fucking record. 678 00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:52,736 I love this fucking record. Welcome to Atlantic." 679 00:31:53,302 --> 00:31:55,043 And then a day later, Bud Cowsill tells me, 680 00:31:55,217 --> 00:31:56,610 "Yeah, the Atlantic deal's not happening." 681 00:31:57,741 --> 00:31:59,569 I broke up the band shortly after that. 682 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,658 And I decided at that point, I said, 683 00:32:01,832 --> 00:32:04,183 "I want to be a studio musician. I want to do that. 684 00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:05,488 I'm good enough to do that." 685 00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,841 The timing when I moved to California, 686 00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:13,235 right when everything was beginning to happen here, 687 00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:16,325 it was like Liverpool was when Beatles came out. 688 00:32:19,807 --> 00:32:22,505 It was somewhere around in the beginning of '72 689 00:32:23,071 --> 00:32:24,464 when I first met Waddy. 690 00:32:25,247 --> 00:32:28,729 And we started working onBuckingham Nicks. 691 00:32:30,339 --> 00:32:32,254 We were just trying to make this record. 692 00:32:32,602 --> 00:32:35,344 But Waddy was a super-big part of it. 693 00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:39,261 We're sitting in this restaurant. 694 00:32:39,696 --> 00:32:42,264 And there's David Crosby's, like, three tables away from me 695 00:32:42,438 --> 00:32:44,614 and I'm going, "This is, like, incredible, I mean." 696 00:32:44,788 --> 00:32:46,094 Waddy walks up to me and he says, 697 00:32:46,268 --> 00:32:49,054 "How do you do this? How do we do this? 698 00:32:49,228 --> 00:32:51,404 We want to be rock stars. We want to play." 699 00:32:51,578 --> 00:32:54,276 I loved him right away. He was a funny, little guy. 700 00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:55,886 He could play. 701 00:32:58,367 --> 00:32:59,847 I was doing sessions and I got a call 702 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:01,892 from someone to talk about sessions. 703 00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:03,677 But in that call, he said, 704 00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:05,244 "Oh, by the way, the Everly Brothers are looking 705 00:33:05,418 --> 00:33:07,072 for a guitar player for a tour." 706 00:33:07,246 --> 00:33:09,900 I said, "Well, that's my gig. I mean, I know every song. 707 00:33:10,249 --> 00:33:12,294 I know every vocal part. I know every guitar part." 708 00:33:12,729 --> 00:33:13,600 I went and auditioned. 709 00:33:14,731 --> 00:33:18,039 Door opens and this guy comes in with a fedora hat on 710 00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:20,824 and a seersucker jacket, and shades. 711 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,175 Warren Zevon. That's where I met Warren. 712 00:33:23,349 --> 00:33:25,046 And he goes, "Okay, we're gonna play 713 00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:26,830 the song through and then you'll play it with us." 714 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:28,615 I said, "You know, you could leave that step out, 715 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:30,791 really, because, you know, I know these songs 716 00:33:30,965 --> 00:33:32,358 backwards and forwards." He goes, 717 00:33:32,532 --> 00:33:33,707 "No, no, no, we're gonna do it like the way 718 00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:36,014 I'm telling you." "Okay, fine." 719 00:33:36,188 --> 00:33:37,754 But he goes, "Okay, now, it's time for you to do it." 720 00:33:37,928 --> 00:33:39,104 And I went, "Okay, great, 721 00:33:39,278 --> 00:33:40,844 but you're not playing it right." 722 00:33:41,193 --> 00:33:42,585 He goes, "What do you mean I'm not playing? 723 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:44,718 I'm the musical director of this band." 724 00:33:45,153 --> 00:33:47,460 I said, "Yeah, well, that may be, but... 725 00:33:47,634 --> 00:33:48,939 ...it goes like this." 726 00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:51,116 And I played it and the bass player, 727 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,292 who'd been with the Everlys for a long time, goes, 728 00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:56,121 "Hey, yeah, that's right. That's how it goes." 729 00:33:56,382 --> 00:33:59,254 ♪ Is dream ♪ 730 00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:02,431 Begrudgingly, he goes, "Well, I guess you got the job." 731 00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:07,262 I got a call from Lou Adler's office 732 00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:11,179 and Lou wanted me to come play on a record date. 733 00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:17,533 I'm driving into SIR in my old '57 Chevy 734 00:34:17,706 --> 00:34:20,449 and this other '57 Chevy is coming out of SIR. 735 00:34:20,623 --> 00:34:22,103 And we literally stopped in the middle 736 00:34:22,277 --> 00:34:23,713 of Santa Monica Boulevard, right there at Vine. 737 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,889 And people are honking horns and everything. 738 00:34:26,063 --> 00:34:27,587 - And he goes, "Are you Waddy?" 739 00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:29,067 And I went, "Yeah, are you Russ?" 740 00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:30,416 He goes, "Yeah, man." 741 00:34:30,851 --> 00:34:31,895 He says, "I got to go, but we're gonna be seeing 742 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,592 a lot of each other, man." 743 00:34:33,766 --> 00:34:36,726 And that's when the four of us got together 744 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:37,858 for the first time. 745 00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:39,947 And we did her Thoroughbred record, 746 00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,601 me, Russell, and Leland, and Danny. 747 00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:46,214 When I walked past Carole in the hallway, 748 00:34:46,388 --> 00:34:47,607 she looks at me... 749 00:34:48,303 --> 00:34:50,523 ...she goes, "Are we related?" 750 00:34:50,697 --> 00:34:52,786 I go, "I hope so, but I don't think so." 751 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,400 ♪ Only love is real ♪ 752 00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:02,100 As soon as I played with him, I went, 753 00:35:02,274 --> 00:35:05,494 "This is it, these guys, this is fantastic," you know? 754 00:35:05,929 --> 00:35:07,322 "Who is this fucking guy, Kootch?" 755 00:35:07,496 --> 00:35:08,758 And you still feel that way? 756 00:35:08,932 --> 00:35:10,934 I do, yeah. I know who you are now. 757 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:12,632 - I know how to spell Kortchmar. 758 00:35:12,806 --> 00:35:14,460 I think 759 00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:17,158 the fact that they put our names 760 00:35:17,332 --> 00:35:21,206 on the album jackets had a profound effect 761 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:22,468 on our careers, 762 00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:25,993 because looking back to the Wrecking Crew 763 00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:28,126 and the generation of players before us 764 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,606 that didn't get credit, people had no idea 765 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:33,261 that when they're listening to Mamas and the Papas 766 00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:35,350 and The Association, and Frank Sinatra, 767 00:35:35,524 --> 00:35:37,091 and all these artists, that it was the same bunch 768 00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:38,397 - of musicians... - Right. 769 00:35:38,571 --> 00:35:39,876 ...on all these things. But to have 770 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:43,053 Peter and Lou Adler, 771 00:35:43,228 --> 00:35:44,751 and people like that putting our names on 'em 772 00:35:44,925 --> 00:35:46,056 all of a sudden, 773 00:35:46,535 --> 00:35:49,408 when people were looking to sign their artists 774 00:35:49,582 --> 00:35:51,279 and they would look at, like, a James Taylor record 775 00:35:51,453 --> 00:35:54,108 and see Russ, and me, and Kootch on it, 776 00:35:54,282 --> 00:35:56,066 they would go, "If it worked for him, 777 00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:58,112 it's bound to work for us." 778 00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:01,550 And, man, I mean, to me, I always look at my career, 779 00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:06,033 I went from zero to a hundred overnight where it was like, 780 00:36:06,207 --> 00:36:08,253 went from no studio experience, 781 00:36:08,427 --> 00:36:10,168 basically, to working around the clock. 782 00:36:10,342 --> 00:36:12,822 Yeah. In probably a four or five-year period of time 783 00:36:12,996 --> 00:36:14,911 from like 1970 to 1975. 784 00:36:15,085 --> 00:36:16,478 - It was unbelievable. So much music 785 00:36:16,652 --> 00:36:18,176 that we all did during that period of time. 786 00:36:18,741 --> 00:36:22,223 ♪ Little hands, little eyes ♪ 787 00:36:22,702 --> 00:36:25,661 ♪ And they walk around Tellin' great, big lies ♪ 788 00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:28,490 People started listening to them, going, 789 00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:29,970 "God, these guys are great players." 790 00:36:30,144 --> 00:36:32,581 So, people started hiring them on the side 791 00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:34,801 to record stuff on their records. 792 00:36:34,975 --> 00:36:37,673 ♪ Well, I don't want No short people ♪ 793 00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:41,851 ♪ Don't want no short people ♪ 794 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,986 My first job of real consequences 795 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,729 was getting to unlock the potential in my own songs 796 00:36:49,903 --> 00:36:51,557 in a studio with great players. 797 00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:53,994 I mean, it's maybe a naive assumption, 798 00:36:54,168 --> 00:36:56,388 but I'm thinking I'm going to studio with a guy, 799 00:36:56,562 --> 00:36:57,867 named Jackson Browne. 800 00:36:58,128 --> 00:36:59,478 And I thought he was gonna be black. 801 00:37:00,043 --> 00:37:02,437 When I suddenly see this skinny, little, white guy, 802 00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:05,092 I go, "You're Jackson Browne? Wow. Cool." 803 00:37:05,353 --> 00:37:07,399 As soon as he sat down to play, I just went, 804 00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:10,228 "Oh man, this guy, you know, he's got it." 805 00:37:10,402 --> 00:37:13,840 ♪ Doctor, my eyes Have seen the years ♪ 806 00:37:14,014 --> 00:37:18,192 ♪ And the slow parade Of fears without crying ♪ 807 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:22,022 ♪ Now, I want to understand ♪ 808 00:37:23,284 --> 00:37:25,895 Now, I'd spend every day with either Danny or Russell 809 00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:28,463 or Leland in some session or one of them here 810 00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:30,248 and then one of them in another one. 811 00:37:30,422 --> 00:37:32,685 ♪ Oh, Carey, get out your cane ♪ 812 00:37:33,512 --> 00:37:35,122 Being in LA at that time, 813 00:37:35,601 --> 00:37:38,125 we all went a little bit different directions, 814 00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:40,823 because we worked with slightly different artists 815 00:37:40,997 --> 00:37:42,825 on different things, but we always ended up 816 00:37:42,999 --> 00:37:46,176 coming back and playing on specific things together. 817 00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:51,181 ♪ Lovely day, lovely day Lovely day, lovely day ♪ 818 00:37:51,356 --> 00:37:52,661 While the other guys were off doing 819 00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:54,272 like John Stewart 820 00:37:54,576 --> 00:37:56,317 or somebody like that or Carole or something, 821 00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:59,973 I ended up going off and doing this seminal, 822 00:38:00,147 --> 00:38:02,889 you know, jazz fusion album that everybody looks at. 823 00:38:08,938 --> 00:38:11,201 He's played on so many great things, 824 00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:14,596 but he played on Spectrum, Billy Cobham, Spectrum. 825 00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:16,424 I mean, come on, enough said. 826 00:38:21,037 --> 00:38:22,996 I got spoiled pretty early from working 827 00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:24,780 with these brilliant song writers. 828 00:38:25,259 --> 00:38:26,782 When you're working with, you know, 829 00:38:26,956 --> 00:38:28,480 with James, and Carole, and Jackson Browne, 830 00:38:28,654 --> 00:38:29,524 you get spoiled. 831 00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:33,528 ♪ Can you see around the bend ♪ 832 00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:35,617 They're not looking at a clock, 833 00:38:35,965 --> 00:38:38,011 they're not thinking about how much they're making 834 00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:41,449 for the three hours. They're just musicianship. 835 00:38:41,623 --> 00:38:42,842 "What's the best that I can do here 836 00:38:43,016 --> 00:38:43,843 to make this record?" 837 00:38:45,714 --> 00:38:47,194 The thing about those guys is they knew 838 00:38:47,368 --> 00:38:48,630 the right thing to play. 839 00:38:48,804 --> 00:38:49,936 They knew how to play with each other, 840 00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:50,937 and they knew how to play with us. 841 00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:52,634 We were really fortunate 842 00:38:52,808 --> 00:38:54,070 that all these things came together 843 00:38:54,244 --> 00:38:55,420 - in such a unique way... Yeah. 844 00:38:55,594 --> 00:38:56,856 - ...for all of us. Yeah. 845 00:38:57,117 --> 00:38:59,511 Also, unlike a lot of session musicians, 846 00:39:00,468 --> 00:39:02,296 we were called to be ourselves. 847 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:03,863 - In other words... Yeah. 848 00:39:04,037 --> 00:39:06,561 ...we weren't called, Waddy and I certainly, 849 00:39:06,735 --> 00:39:08,650 and all of us weren't called to say, "Oh, 850 00:39:08,911 --> 00:39:10,391 could you sound just like so and so? 851 00:39:10,565 --> 00:39:11,958 Could you play a part just like--" Never. 852 00:39:12,132 --> 00:39:13,351 You can get anyone to do that. 853 00:39:13,525 --> 00:39:14,395 You get a lot of guys that'll do that, 854 00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:15,701 and they'll do it amazingly. 855 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:17,964 We were called to be us. We were like character actors. 856 00:39:18,138 --> 00:39:19,444 We were called to do what we already do. 857 00:39:20,706 --> 00:39:24,013 So I came up in New York City as a session player 858 00:39:24,187 --> 00:39:25,798 about ten years after all these guys. 859 00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:28,844 So, they were all big influences on me. 860 00:39:29,628 --> 00:39:33,153 When they came up, people wanted them to play themselves. 861 00:39:33,501 --> 00:39:35,111 "I need Waddy Wachtel in the session. 862 00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:36,678 I need Danny Kort--" 863 00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:39,115 By the time I got in there, they were telling us, 864 00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:41,379 one day, be like, "Play like Waddy Wachtel. 865 00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:43,511 Play like Danny Kortchmar." 866 00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,774 But nobody was saying, "Play like Steve Postell." 867 00:39:46,035 --> 00:39:49,125 Those guys had already cornered that market. 868 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:51,693 Each song is a different victim, you know, 869 00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:53,869 each one is a separate patient. 870 00:39:54,043 --> 00:39:56,481 You know, you can't just apply one science to it. 871 00:39:57,220 --> 00:39:58,744 I stopped by Roy's house and Warren was there. 872 00:39:58,918 --> 00:40:00,441 He goes, "That's great you're here. 873 00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:02,922 We got to write this song, 'Werewolves of London.'" 874 00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:07,187 And I just got back from being in London. 875 00:40:07,622 --> 00:40:09,319 And I just looked at Warren and I said, 876 00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:10,930 "You mean something like, 'I saw a werewolf 877 00:40:11,104 --> 00:40:12,497 with a Chinese menu in his hand, 878 00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,847 walking down the streets of Soho in the rain?'" He goes, 879 00:40:15,108 --> 00:40:16,631 "Yeah, yeah, like that." 880 00:40:16,979 --> 00:40:19,329 And my friend Roy Marinell, he had this lick sitting around 881 00:40:19,504 --> 00:40:22,376 for years, two years worth of this. 882 00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:24,204 Yeah. 883 00:40:28,382 --> 00:40:31,037 And I said, "Roy, play that fucking lick." 884 00:40:31,994 --> 00:40:34,997 So many people tried versions of it and it wasn't working. 885 00:40:35,171 --> 00:40:37,173 And Jorge Calderón, he said, 886 00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:39,219 "What about Mick Fleetwood and John McVie?" 887 00:40:40,089 --> 00:40:42,918 So, I called him and I said, "Hey, would you consider 888 00:40:43,092 --> 00:40:45,486 playing on a song with Warren, and Jackson, and myself?" 889 00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:47,619 They went, "We're honored." I went, "Honored? 890 00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:50,273 We're honored. So why don't you just get down here 891 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:51,840 and we'll talk about who's honored." 892 00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:55,278 And across the studio, Mick's saying, 893 00:40:55,453 --> 00:41:00,066 "Now, Waddy, we're not Kunkel and Sklar, all right? 894 00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:01,807 Take it easy on us." 895 00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:03,548 When we started, we did take one. 896 00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:09,292 We did take two. 897 00:41:11,643 --> 00:41:12,644 Nine. 898 00:41:15,908 --> 00:41:17,692 Five hours later, you know, "You want to hear it?" 899 00:41:17,866 --> 00:41:19,564 Mick goes, "Nah, nah, let's just keep going, man. 900 00:41:19,738 --> 00:41:20,913 Let's keep going." 901 00:41:22,044 --> 00:41:24,917 We played it until the sun was coming up. 902 00:41:30,183 --> 00:41:33,012 And Mick Fleetwood saying, "Waddy, Waddy, 903 00:41:33,186 --> 00:41:35,101 we're never done, Waddy. We're never done." 904 00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:37,103 And I went, "We're never done, huh? 905 00:41:37,277 --> 00:41:38,234 Oh, okay. 906 00:41:38,974 --> 00:41:40,759 All right, let's keep going. We're never done." 907 00:41:42,978 --> 00:41:45,981 I'm about to count off take 60, 61. 908 00:41:46,155 --> 00:41:48,070 It's like, I don't know what time it is now. 909 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:53,119 Waddy said, "Like I just think we 910 00:41:53,293 --> 00:41:55,948 - had it in the beginning." - I went to Jackson, I went, 911 00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:58,864 "Jackson, take two was good, right?" 912 00:41:59,038 --> 00:42:01,431 "Play us take two." 913 00:42:10,397 --> 00:42:13,139 ♪ I saw a werewolf with A Chinese menu in his hand ♪ 914 00:42:14,967 --> 00:42:18,013 ♪ Walking through the streets Of Soho in the rain ♪ 915 00:42:18,405 --> 00:42:20,973 I looked at Mick and went, "Mick, we're done. 916 00:42:21,713 --> 00:42:22,844 That's it. It's over. 917 00:42:23,018 --> 00:42:24,629 That's the take. Thank you, guys." 918 00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:31,374 ♪ Don't you know ♪ 919 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:35,944 ♪ Don't you know That it's wrong ♪ 920 00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:39,905 What you found is that the best song 921 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,950 wasn't necessarily the hit song. 922 00:42:42,777 --> 00:42:46,781 And so you were trying to make every song the best song. 923 00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:49,131 ♪ You could get along If you try to be strong ♪ 924 00:42:49,305 --> 00:42:51,612 ♪ But you'll never be strong 'Cause ♪ 925 00:42:52,047 --> 00:42:54,093 If you, you know, walked into a session 926 00:42:54,267 --> 00:43:01,013 with artists like Randy or James or whoever, 927 00:43:01,361 --> 00:43:02,841 you didn't bring up the word "hit." 928 00:43:03,842 --> 00:43:04,756 That was a no-no. 929 00:43:06,018 --> 00:43:07,976 It was like it was, "We're not selling that." 930 00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:10,457 I always made sure I played exactly 931 00:43:10,762 --> 00:43:12,633 what the producer or the artist wanted. 932 00:43:13,068 --> 00:43:14,766 And then sometimes I'd say, "Could you indulge me 933 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,942 and let me try something else? 934 00:43:17,116 --> 00:43:18,813 Just see what you think. As an alternative." 935 00:43:18,987 --> 00:43:20,249 And there were times where they'd go, 936 00:43:20,423 --> 00:43:22,687 "You just made the song. That's fantastic." 937 00:43:22,861 --> 00:43:24,558 And then there were other times where they'd say, 938 00:43:24,732 --> 00:43:26,038 you know, kind of, "I'm really used to 939 00:43:26,212 --> 00:43:28,083 what we've got." So, I'd say, "Cool." 940 00:43:28,518 --> 00:43:32,740 My kind of mantra is everything I do is etched in mud. 941 00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:36,222 ♪ Mr. Bojangles ♪ 942 00:43:38,746 --> 00:43:40,487 ♪ Mr. Bojangles ♪ 943 00:43:40,661 --> 00:43:43,577 Each album became like a, you know, 944 00:43:43,751 --> 00:43:45,448 "What's the next thing they're gonna do?" 945 00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:47,233 And everybody was waiting for it. 946 00:44:02,161 --> 00:44:04,424 There's that fear that if you leave town, 947 00:44:04,598 --> 00:44:06,078 somebody else is gonna take that seat 948 00:44:06,252 --> 00:44:07,906 and you're not gonna get your gig back. 949 00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,038 Mm-hmm. - And I mean, 950 00:44:10,212 --> 00:44:13,259 you know, this harkens back to the days 951 00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:14,695 of the Wrecking Crew, 952 00:44:14,956 --> 00:44:16,654 where they didn't go on the road with people. 953 00:44:16,828 --> 00:44:18,612 They made everybody's records. 954 00:44:18,786 --> 00:44:20,048 And if people wanted to go perform, 955 00:44:20,222 --> 00:44:22,094 they would have a road band to go do it. 956 00:44:23,399 --> 00:44:25,706 We were really lucky to have lived both sides 957 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,229 - of that fence... Extremely lucky. 958 00:44:27,403 --> 00:44:28,709 - ...to be able to do that. Yeah. 959 00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,105 In the '70s, 960 00:44:33,583 --> 00:44:35,194 touring did become an important record-selling tool 961 00:44:35,368 --> 00:44:36,891 in the eyes of the record company. 962 00:44:37,936 --> 00:44:39,372 Peter would put a band together 963 00:44:39,633 --> 00:44:41,200 and we would rehearse a little bit. 964 00:44:41,374 --> 00:44:42,505 We'd go to make the album. 965 00:44:42,941 --> 00:44:44,072 And then when the album came out, 966 00:44:44,246 --> 00:44:45,073 we'd tour, same band. 967 00:44:49,512 --> 00:44:52,951 I'd like to introduce to a few more players up here. 968 00:44:53,952 --> 00:44:55,388 Russell Kunkel and Lee Sklar. 969 00:44:57,433 --> 00:44:58,913 And the thing that was interesting to me was 970 00:44:59,087 --> 00:45:00,393 there were a lot of players 971 00:45:00,828 --> 00:45:02,134 in town who were like, "So what are you up to?" I said, 972 00:45:02,308 --> 00:45:03,613 "We're heading out for the summer. 973 00:45:03,788 --> 00:45:05,224 We're gonna be working." And they're going, 974 00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:07,574 "How can you do that, man? I mean, you leave town, 975 00:45:07,835 --> 00:45:09,619 somebody else is gonna take all your gigs 976 00:45:09,794 --> 00:45:12,448 and all that." I said, "So be it." 977 00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:15,756 It's Kootch. 978 00:45:17,845 --> 00:45:18,716 Danny Kortchmar. 979 00:45:22,589 --> 00:45:24,722 Why, it's Waddy. Waddy Wachtel. 980 00:45:30,075 --> 00:45:32,207 No, it just seemed like the natural thing 981 00:45:32,381 --> 00:45:35,776 that the people who played the music... 982 00:45:36,864 --> 00:45:38,910 you know, for the record should play it on the road. 983 00:45:40,825 --> 00:45:42,783 This next tune, now, Kootch wrote it. 984 00:45:43,088 --> 00:45:45,177 I didn't write it. Kootch wrote it. 985 00:45:53,489 --> 00:45:55,970 We did these huge, huge shows. 986 00:45:56,449 --> 00:45:58,973 And these were baseball stadiums, full. 987 00:45:59,147 --> 00:46:01,280 I mean, it was pretty impressive. 988 00:46:08,026 --> 00:46:11,943 I played "Fire And Rain" 10,000 times. 989 00:46:12,552 --> 00:46:14,162 It's a simple couple of chords. 990 00:46:14,336 --> 00:46:16,948 I don't think I've ever played it twice the same way. 991 00:46:17,209 --> 00:46:18,601 Standing next to Leland on stage 992 00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:21,213 when we played with James, he would do stuff. 993 00:46:22,344 --> 00:46:23,737 I would just forget where I was. 994 00:46:23,911 --> 00:46:25,565 He would-- "How is this guy doing that? 995 00:46:25,739 --> 00:46:27,219 What is all that?" 996 00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:30,962 Again, I asked him, "Could you not play quite as great? 997 00:46:31,136 --> 00:46:34,530 Could you just maybe, you know play a note?" 998 00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:37,490 When people say, "Don't you get bored?" 999 00:46:37,664 --> 00:46:40,058 I always go look at, somewhere in that audience, 1000 00:46:40,232 --> 00:46:42,234 somebody's hearing this for the first time, 1001 00:46:42,408 --> 00:46:43,757 and that's who I'm playing to. 1002 00:46:43,931 --> 00:46:45,324 When we went on the road, 1003 00:46:45,498 --> 00:46:47,413 I was the person who was on the bill. 1004 00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:50,242 But it really, to me, felt like I was playing in a band. 1005 00:46:51,983 --> 00:46:53,680 I always looked at the road 1006 00:46:53,854 --> 00:46:58,859 as one of the greatest gifts one could ask for of travel. 1007 00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:00,339 'Cause I never traveled as a kid. 1008 00:47:00,513 --> 00:47:02,254 My family, I mean, the most we would do 1009 00:47:02,428 --> 00:47:05,039 is maybe go to San Francisco from LA or something like that 1010 00:47:05,213 --> 00:47:06,606 or San Diego. 1011 00:47:06,911 --> 00:47:09,870 So, when suddenly I found myself flying around the world. 1012 00:47:17,617 --> 00:47:21,012 These guys were Carole's band and James' band. 1013 00:47:21,186 --> 00:47:23,144 They then became celebrities themself, 1014 00:47:23,318 --> 00:47:25,364 because they were seen by millions of people. 1015 00:47:26,234 --> 00:47:28,584 I remember playing Merriweather Post Pavilion, 1016 00:47:28,758 --> 00:47:31,500 and we walk out on stage and James kind of looked over 1017 00:47:31,674 --> 00:47:33,676 at me with this kind of a scowl on his face. 1018 00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:35,461 And I looked down, in the front row 1019 00:47:35,765 --> 00:47:38,333 was a whole bunch of people that said "Le Sklar Fan Club" 1020 00:47:38,507 --> 00:47:41,423 T-shirts on. And he was like... 1021 00:47:41,597 --> 00:47:44,339 I went, "Dude, I'm sorry, I'll try to keep 1022 00:47:44,513 --> 00:47:45,775 a lower profile." 1023 00:47:48,256 --> 00:47:49,605 We were out for so long back then. 1024 00:47:49,779 --> 00:47:51,042 End of the tour, 1025 00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:52,870 we'd just keep extending and extending. 1026 00:47:53,131 --> 00:47:54,132 We're not going home. 1027 00:47:55,481 --> 00:47:57,352 Twelve weeks, three months at a time, maybe. 1028 00:47:57,831 --> 00:47:58,963 Go to the next town, 1029 00:47:59,311 --> 00:48:00,747 I don't care where it is, doesn't matter. 1030 00:48:01,008 --> 00:48:02,488 That piece of paper comes under the door saying 1031 00:48:02,662 --> 00:48:04,446 what time you got to get up. I'll be up. 1032 00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:06,709 You know, I'll get on the bus. 1033 00:48:09,147 --> 00:48:10,322 We were on a bus 1034 00:48:10,931 --> 00:48:13,238 that had a Continental Trailways driver in a uniform. 1035 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,631 We didn't ask anything more about it. 1036 00:48:15,805 --> 00:48:17,372 Like did it have bunks? 1037 00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:20,419 We didn't think about it till it was time to go to sleep. 1038 00:48:22,812 --> 00:48:24,466 There were no bunks. 1039 00:48:26,251 --> 00:48:28,209 We had chartered a plane. 1040 00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:30,864 It's kind of an older plane, for sure. 1041 00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:32,822 We said this, "Is it all ready?" 1042 00:48:32,997 --> 00:48:34,433 They said, "We're waiting on a welder." 1043 00:48:34,955 --> 00:48:36,565 So he's out there working and we're sitting, you know, 1044 00:48:36,739 --> 00:48:38,089 twiddling our thumbs 1045 00:48:38,263 --> 00:48:39,481 and the thing finally, he's done. 1046 00:48:39,655 --> 00:48:41,092 And we said, "So is everything okay?" 1047 00:48:41,266 --> 00:48:42,963 And he goes, "It'll get you there." 1048 00:48:44,573 --> 00:48:46,358 Flying to Akron, Ohio. 1049 00:48:49,143 --> 00:48:51,058 Heavy weather instantly. 1050 00:48:52,364 --> 00:48:56,020 And we were circling Akron when the radio cut out. 1051 00:48:58,587 --> 00:48:59,937 See, I'd gotten so drunk the night before, 1052 00:49:00,111 --> 00:49:01,590 I was painfully hungover. 1053 00:49:02,461 --> 00:49:04,767 With no visibility, the guy took it up. 1054 00:49:06,117 --> 00:49:07,335 I think there was some smoke coming out 1055 00:49:07,509 --> 00:49:09,555 from under the front cabin door. 1056 00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:11,470 We look out the window and there's oil pouring out 1057 00:49:11,644 --> 00:49:14,342 - one of the engines. 1058 00:49:14,516 --> 00:49:16,910 Suddenly, everybody comes flying back into the back 1059 00:49:17,084 --> 00:49:18,912 of the plane and a big scrum of people, you know? 1060 00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:21,393 I was just lying on a bench or something 1061 00:49:21,567 --> 00:49:23,438 in the plane just going, "Oh, God." 1062 00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:25,745 We're in free fall forward. 1063 00:49:26,311 --> 00:49:28,139 I was, like, hoping we would crash. 1064 00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:32,056 When the pilot dipped below the cloud level, 1065 00:49:32,621 --> 00:49:34,362 there happened to be a field below it. 1066 00:49:34,884 --> 00:49:36,147 And we landed in that field. 1067 00:49:36,538 --> 00:49:39,411 ♪ Thank you, baby Oh, yes ♪ 1068 00:49:39,585 --> 00:49:42,196 ♪ How sweet it is To be loved by you ♪ 1069 00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:44,198 It was just dumb luck. 1070 00:49:44,372 --> 00:49:46,157 The pilot, I'm sure, thought we were gonna die, too. 1071 00:49:46,331 --> 00:49:48,289 When that plane hit the ground, 1072 00:49:48,942 --> 00:49:50,639 pilot and co-pilot quit 1073 00:49:51,031 --> 00:49:52,554 at that point. They got off the plane, gone. 1074 00:49:54,513 --> 00:49:58,343 ♪ I learned my lesson It left a scar ♪ 1075 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:02,521 ♪ Now I see how you really are ♪ 1076 00:50:02,695 --> 00:50:04,914 ♪ You're no good You're no good ♪ 1077 00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:07,395 ♪ You're no good Baby, you're no good ♪ 1078 00:50:07,569 --> 00:50:09,223 Making an album and the rest of the time 1079 00:50:09,397 --> 00:50:10,485 we'd be on the road. We'd come do the album tour, 1080 00:50:10,659 --> 00:50:12,183 album tour, album tour. 1081 00:50:12,357 --> 00:50:14,141 ♪ You're no good You're no good ♪ 1082 00:50:14,315 --> 00:50:16,709 ♪ You're no good Baby, you're no good ♪ 1083 00:50:16,883 --> 00:50:18,537 But it was really album, tour, tour, tour, tour, 1084 00:50:18,711 --> 00:50:20,147 album, tour, tour, tour, tour. 1085 00:50:21,105 --> 00:50:22,845 Well, Linda, you know, she-- 1086 00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:24,412 First of all, she'd been on the road forever 1087 00:50:24,586 --> 00:50:26,023 at that point and I was new to it. 1088 00:50:26,458 --> 00:50:28,416 But, you know, she taught me 1089 00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:32,507 the gourmet eating on a tour bus is a one-minute hotdog 1090 00:50:32,681 --> 00:50:34,944 in the microwave. And I said, "Oh, that's great." 1091 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:36,946 I'd never worked a microwave, not even seen one. 1092 00:50:50,612 --> 00:50:52,049 My father for years was saying, 1093 00:50:52,223 --> 00:50:53,615 "No, you don't want that." 1094 00:50:54,007 --> 00:50:55,704 Always wanted me to be a doctor or something. 1095 00:50:57,010 --> 00:51:00,666 And I remember, when I got my gig with Linda, 1096 00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:03,103 he was being helped out by a friend of his, 1097 00:51:03,277 --> 00:51:06,367 this builder in New York, real successful builder guy 1098 00:51:06,541 --> 00:51:07,455 that he grew up with. 1099 00:51:08,021 --> 00:51:10,284 And Harry came to the show 1100 00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:11,894 and I'm standing there with my dad, 1101 00:51:12,373 --> 00:51:13,722 and I have make up all over my face, 1102 00:51:13,896 --> 00:51:16,334 and... ...you know, I'm sweating out. 1103 00:51:16,508 --> 00:51:19,337 And I told him, I said, "You can tell Harry Waxman 1104 00:51:19,511 --> 00:51:20,903 to go kiss my ass now. 1105 00:51:21,078 --> 00:51:22,601 I'm going to take care of you for the rest 1106 00:51:22,775 --> 00:51:24,385 of your fucking life. We don't need him anymore." 1107 00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:26,518 And he was just so happy. 1108 00:51:26,692 --> 00:51:29,825 And from then on, he was going, "Yeah, Bobby's a guitar player, 1109 00:51:29,999 --> 00:51:31,175 like Glen Campbell." 1110 00:51:31,566 --> 00:51:33,220 That's all he could say, "Like Glen Campbell. 1111 00:51:33,394 --> 00:51:35,309 He's like doing the same thing Glen Campbell is." 1112 00:51:35,483 --> 00:51:38,007 I went, "No, I'm not really, but kind of, you know?" 1113 00:51:38,182 --> 00:51:41,533 So, from then on, he was proud and happy. 1114 00:51:41,707 --> 00:51:43,404 - ♪ No good ♪ - ♪ No good ♪ 1115 00:51:43,578 --> 00:51:47,452 ♪ No good, you're no good You're no good ♪ 1116 00:51:48,017 --> 00:51:52,892 ♪ Baby, you're no ♪ 1117 00:51:54,067 --> 00:51:56,765 ♪ Good ♪ 1118 00:51:56,939 --> 00:51:59,203 The road's arduous, because it really-- 1119 00:51:59,377 --> 00:52:01,596 They show us to play such a gift, to get up 1120 00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:03,120 in front of people and play music... 1121 00:52:03,294 --> 00:52:04,686 - Yes. - ...and see that response. 1122 00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:06,819 And that moment you're on stage is so magic. 1123 00:52:06,993 --> 00:52:08,995 And then suddenly, you're on an eight-hour bus ride going, 1124 00:52:09,169 --> 00:52:10,388 going, "What do you want to watch?" 1125 00:52:10,562 --> 00:52:11,998 Well, it's been said a lot of times 1126 00:52:12,172 --> 00:52:13,956 by a lot of people that you don't get paid 1127 00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:15,828 for the hour and a half, two hours you're on stage. 1128 00:52:16,002 --> 00:52:17,351 You get paid for the other 22 hours. 1129 00:52:17,525 --> 00:52:19,136 Yeah. - At least, an eight-hour drive 1130 00:52:19,310 --> 00:52:21,877 from one town to the next. So, there'd be a poker game. 1131 00:52:23,052 --> 00:52:25,185 I stopped playing, 'cause I lost all the time. 1132 00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:26,752 - Terrible poker player. 1133 00:52:26,926 --> 00:52:29,276 But Peter Asher would win like mad. 1134 00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:30,930 He's a great poker player. 1135 00:52:32,236 --> 00:52:33,846 And Linda would sometimes win, 1136 00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:35,761 because she was the soberest one playing. 1137 00:52:36,588 --> 00:52:39,373 My secret with winning a lot was that I wasn't stoned. 1138 00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:40,809 I was sober. 1139 00:52:42,202 --> 00:52:43,595 You play stoned too fucking bad. 1140 00:52:43,769 --> 00:52:45,597 You misread your hand. Tough shit. 1141 00:52:45,945 --> 00:52:47,381 Linda got in the game one night. 1142 00:52:47,555 --> 00:52:49,514 And she was playing along, playing away. 1143 00:52:49,688 --> 00:52:52,386 And she called her hand incorrectly. 1144 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,996 But nobody knew that. 1145 00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:55,955 I get confused whether a straight beat a flush. 1146 00:52:56,129 --> 00:52:57,217 You know, I had kept a little list that I have 1147 00:52:57,391 --> 00:52:58,871 to keep what would be what. 1148 00:52:59,263 --> 00:53:01,308 I said, "I've got, you know, two pairs," something like that. 1149 00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:02,483 And she says, "Oh, I fold." 1150 00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:04,224 Then she goes, "Oh, wait, wait, wait. 1151 00:53:04,398 --> 00:53:05,486 No, I've got three of a kind." 1152 00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:07,053 I'd be-- I said, "Too late." 1153 00:53:07,445 --> 00:53:08,707 She goes, "No, no, no, come on, Waddy. That's not fair." 1154 00:53:08,881 --> 00:53:09,795 I said, "Yes, it is. 1155 00:53:09,969 --> 00:53:11,013 You blew it." 1156 00:53:13,538 --> 00:53:15,975 And after, she goes, "You know, I would have lost 1157 00:53:16,149 --> 00:53:17,846 all respect for you if you'd given me that money." 1158 00:53:18,238 --> 00:53:20,675 "You would have, huh? You actually respect me?" 1159 00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:22,677 She goes, "Well, I don't know about that, but..." 1160 00:53:24,113 --> 00:53:25,898 That was real family time on that bus. 1161 00:53:26,072 --> 00:53:28,553 We did a lot of touring for a lot of weeks together, 1162 00:53:28,727 --> 00:53:30,381 miles and miles in the buses. 1163 00:53:30,772 --> 00:53:33,601 Being on the road for a significant period of time 1164 00:53:33,775 --> 00:53:36,169 gives you an opportunity to become closer 1165 00:53:36,343 --> 00:53:38,345 with the members that you're out on the road with, 1166 00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:40,347 that become your road family. 1167 00:53:40,826 --> 00:53:44,482 You know, I have to say that there's a period of time, 1168 00:53:44,786 --> 00:53:48,355 back in those days, that it's a little foggy. 1169 00:53:51,358 --> 00:53:52,490 You can't take it. 1170 00:53:52,664 --> 00:53:55,188 And I'm gonna blame it on Waddy. 1171 00:53:55,928 --> 00:53:58,278 - It's Waddy's fault. 1172 00:53:58,452 --> 00:54:00,149 It's always funny, you know, the things 1173 00:54:00,324 --> 00:54:02,587 that become important parts of your touring life. 1174 00:54:02,848 --> 00:54:04,545 And so much of it is-- Is the things that don't have 1175 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,678 that don't have anything to do with the gig. 1176 00:54:06,982 --> 00:54:10,159 'Cause everybody kind of goes, "I don't remember that venue, 1177 00:54:10,334 --> 00:54:12,684 but God, there was that great barbecue. 1178 00:54:12,858 --> 00:54:16,209 Oh, we're in Indianapolis. Yeah, St. Elmo's Steak House. 1179 00:54:16,383 --> 00:54:19,125 Oh man, let's make-- Let's finish up sound check, 1180 00:54:19,299 --> 00:54:20,431 so we can go grab dinner there." 1181 00:54:21,780 --> 00:54:25,174 We were on the road in Wheeling, West Virginia, 1182 00:54:25,871 --> 00:54:27,176 not a real cosmopolitan town. 1183 00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,050 I got a call from one of the guys in the band 1184 00:54:31,311 --> 00:54:33,357 saying, "Hey, man, there's this strip club 1185 00:54:33,531 --> 00:54:35,010 right across the freeway. 1186 00:54:35,184 --> 00:54:36,577 And we're going over. You want to go?" 1187 00:54:36,751 --> 00:54:37,752 I went, "Nah, I don't want to go." 1188 00:54:39,885 --> 00:54:42,322 Then Linda called me, said, "Anybody doing anything?" 1189 00:54:42,496 --> 00:54:44,498 "Well, yeah, the guys went over to the strip club." 1190 00:54:44,933 --> 00:54:47,327 She goes, "Oh, I want to go." I went, "You do?" 1191 00:54:50,461 --> 00:54:52,245 She goes, "Yeah, I want to go. Will you take me there?" 1192 00:54:52,419 --> 00:54:53,899 I went, "Sure, I'll take you, yeah." 1193 00:54:54,247 --> 00:54:55,379 So, we go there. 1194 00:54:55,553 --> 00:54:57,119 You got to run across the freeway. 1195 00:54:57,511 --> 00:54:59,121 We walk in, and there's the lady that wants to check 1196 00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:01,080 your IDs and stuff. So, I just give her my ID. 1197 00:55:01,428 --> 00:55:03,822 And she looks at Linda, and she goes, "I need your ID." 1198 00:55:04,257 --> 00:55:06,825 And Linda, she goes, "Oh, I don't have any ID. 1199 00:55:06,999 --> 00:55:08,783 I don't have anything on me. I don't have anything." 1200 00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:11,177 And I'm looking at the lady behind the-- In the booth 1201 00:55:11,351 --> 00:55:13,397 and I went, "That's Linda Ronstadt." 1202 00:55:14,398 --> 00:55:16,095 And she goes, "I still need some ID." 1203 00:55:16,269 --> 00:55:19,098 And I looked at Linda. I went, "Sing something." 1204 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:20,447 And she goes... 1205 00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:22,667 ♪ I'm going back someday ♪ 1206 00:55:22,841 --> 00:55:25,887 The lady goes, "All right, you can go in." 1207 00:55:26,888 --> 00:55:30,327 ♪ To Blue Bayou ♪ 1208 00:55:32,067 --> 00:55:34,722 ♪ Where the folks are fun ♪ 1209 00:55:34,896 --> 00:55:37,508 I just love the road. I love walking out on the stage. 1210 00:55:37,682 --> 00:55:41,990 And I also love the idea of playing a note live 1211 00:55:42,164 --> 00:55:43,775 and that note's done. 1212 00:55:44,036 --> 00:55:46,604 It's over with. It's gone out. They've heard it. 1213 00:55:46,778 --> 00:55:48,736 You go in the studio, you can hit that note, 1214 00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:51,783 and they can scrutinize the hell out of that for a week. 1215 00:55:51,957 --> 00:55:53,437 Playing, "Oh, got to move it here, 1216 00:55:53,611 --> 00:55:55,352 got to move it there, let's tune it." 1217 00:55:55,787 --> 00:55:57,615 I like the immediacy of live. 1218 00:55:57,789 --> 00:55:59,094 - So... Yeah. 1219 00:55:59,268 --> 00:56:00,661 ...you know, I would do that any time. 1220 00:56:03,229 --> 00:56:05,318 Carole left James' touring band. 1221 00:56:05,492 --> 00:56:07,364 She wanted to stay home. She had young kids. 1222 00:56:08,974 --> 00:56:11,716 I was at A&M working on a project. 1223 00:56:12,107 --> 00:56:14,675 When I arrived to do this thing, they had hired 1224 00:56:14,849 --> 00:56:17,548 a keyboard player for it and his name was Craig Doerge. 1225 00:56:19,288 --> 00:56:21,203 And I hit it off with Craig immediately 1226 00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:22,770 and I contacted Peter Asher. 1227 00:56:22,944 --> 00:56:25,077 And I said, "I think I found the guy 1228 00:56:25,469 --> 00:56:26,426 to replace Carole." 1229 00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:30,387 So, the four of us now are backing up James. 1230 00:56:31,649 --> 00:56:34,913 After we do the sound check at whatever venue we were at, 1231 00:56:35,087 --> 00:56:36,610 James would come out and he'd make sure it's right. 1232 00:56:36,784 --> 00:56:37,916 He could hear himself, guitar. 1233 00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:40,092 And James wasn't that enthusiastic 1234 00:56:40,266 --> 00:56:42,181 about doing long sound checks or anything. 1235 00:56:42,355 --> 00:56:43,704 So, he'd come in, do a line check, 1236 00:56:43,878 --> 00:56:45,271 play a couple of tunes, split. 1237 00:56:45,706 --> 00:56:47,926 And we were just horny as hell to play. 1238 00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,102 So, we just were jamming all the time. 1239 00:56:50,668 --> 00:56:52,539 So, at one point, Peter said, "Listen to this." 1240 00:56:52,974 --> 00:56:55,107 And he plays us a cassette from the board 1241 00:56:55,281 --> 00:56:57,065 of our jams. 1242 00:56:57,544 --> 00:56:59,372 And we said, "Wow, this is pretty good." 1243 00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:04,029 And the next thing that happens, James came up 1244 00:57:04,203 --> 00:57:05,509 with a name for it, "The Section." 1245 00:57:05,857 --> 00:57:07,119 This is The Section, 1246 00:57:07,598 --> 00:57:09,034 and they're gonna open up the show. 1247 00:57:19,174 --> 00:57:21,089 And next thing you know, Peter went and got us 1248 00:57:21,263 --> 00:57:23,048 a record deal with Warner Brothers. 1249 00:57:26,486 --> 00:57:29,054 And then he got us a tour with the Mahavishnu Orchestra, 1250 00:57:29,707 --> 00:57:31,709 opening a Canadian tour for them. 1251 00:57:37,715 --> 00:57:40,500 I think Warner Brothers kind of signed us, 1252 00:57:40,761 --> 00:57:42,197 just because of our pedigree 1253 00:57:42,371 --> 00:57:44,069 and thought they were probably gonna get Poco 1254 00:57:44,243 --> 00:57:46,637 or the Burrito Brothers or the Eagles or something. 1255 00:57:46,941 --> 00:57:48,943 Next thing you know, we handed them a band, 1256 00:57:49,117 --> 00:57:51,163 and they had no idea what the hell to do with us. 1257 00:57:54,688 --> 00:57:58,475 We were playing pretty much rock fusion instrumental music, 1258 00:57:59,388 --> 00:58:02,217 but we ended up with an underground cult following. 1259 00:58:06,395 --> 00:58:07,658 It was wonderful. But like everything, 1260 00:58:07,832 --> 00:58:08,963 you know, we get to a point 1261 00:58:09,137 --> 00:58:10,399 where everyone's musical interests 1262 00:58:10,574 --> 00:58:12,097 were going in separate directions. 1263 00:58:12,271 --> 00:58:16,493 And we did three records and that was the course. 1264 00:58:27,765 --> 00:58:29,941 So, we did like a month, month and a half of that. 1265 00:58:30,376 --> 00:58:32,987 We got back to LA and then we had two weeks off. 1266 00:58:33,161 --> 00:58:34,554 In that two weeks, we started rehearsing 1267 00:58:34,728 --> 00:58:36,121 with Jackson to do Running on Empty. 1268 00:58:36,556 --> 00:58:38,253 Running on Empty, and it was gonna be 1269 00:58:38,427 --> 00:58:40,125 like the live album, but it's really you putting 1270 00:58:40,299 --> 00:58:42,823 all your best songs together and some new songs. 1271 00:58:43,476 --> 00:58:47,480 I had been using Russ and Lee on records in the studio. 1272 00:58:47,828 --> 00:58:51,179 So, to do a record on the road, I wanted to have these guys, 1273 00:58:51,615 --> 00:58:54,182 'cause that was my guarantee that it would sound good. 1274 00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:55,575 I was friends and tight with Jackson. 1275 00:58:55,749 --> 00:58:57,142 I never toured with him. 1276 00:58:57,577 --> 00:58:58,839 And I think at some point, listening to some 1277 00:58:59,013 --> 00:59:00,580 of the new songs, I mentioned to him, 1278 00:59:00,885 --> 00:59:02,930 "Why don't you make this album just all the new songs?" 1279 00:59:03,191 --> 00:59:05,890 "Oh, that's a good idea. That's a really good idea." 1280 00:59:06,064 --> 00:59:08,196 We learned the tunes really quickly and off we went. 1281 00:59:09,371 --> 00:59:10,895 ♪ Looking out on the road ♪ 1282 00:59:11,069 --> 00:59:12,636 ♪ Rushing under my wheels ♪ 1283 00:59:12,810 --> 00:59:14,246 I wanted to try to give a feeling 1284 00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:15,726 for what it was like on the road. 1285 00:59:16,204 --> 00:59:18,598 ♪ Looking back at the years Going by ♪ 1286 00:59:18,772 --> 00:59:20,774 ♪ Like so many summer fields ♪ 1287 00:59:20,948 --> 00:59:23,081 WithRunning on Empty, it was like guerrilla touring. 1288 00:59:23,342 --> 00:59:25,692 ♪ In '65 I was 17♪ 1289 00:59:25,866 --> 00:59:27,868 Jackson had it in his head that he wanted to record 1290 00:59:28,042 --> 00:59:29,566 on the bus with bus sounds. 1291 00:59:30,088 --> 00:59:31,785 So, we got on there, set up two mics, 1292 00:59:31,959 --> 00:59:33,395 so Jackson and I were facing each other. 1293 00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:35,267 Russ was playing rushes on a cardboard box 1294 00:59:35,441 --> 00:59:36,529 or something like that. 1295 00:59:37,704 --> 00:59:39,445 ♪ Running on empty ♪ 1296 00:59:39,619 --> 00:59:42,622 But we were all in our twenties. Yeah, there was no sleeping. 1297 00:59:43,928 --> 00:59:45,582 Checking into a Holiday Inn 1298 00:59:45,843 --> 00:59:47,279 and taking the mattress 1299 00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,150 and the box spring apart, and leaning them 1300 00:59:49,324 --> 00:59:50,325 up against the wall, and setting the drums up 1301 00:59:50,499 --> 00:59:51,892 in between them. 1302 00:59:52,066 --> 00:59:54,460 Jackson would be, like, singing in the bathroom. 1303 00:59:58,769 --> 01:00:00,335 Jackson went back out on another bus tour 1304 01:00:00,509 --> 01:00:01,989 to record bus sounds. 1305 01:00:02,381 --> 01:00:03,730 So, just him and Ladanyi drove around for a while 1306 01:00:03,904 --> 01:00:05,906 to get... ...bus sounds. 1307 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,604 That's how nuts everyone was, you know? 1308 01:00:08,909 --> 01:00:10,302 We did it in a sound check, 1309 01:00:10,476 --> 01:00:11,608 just like it was a recording session. 1310 01:00:11,782 --> 01:00:12,739 We figured out what we would play, 1311 01:00:12,913 --> 01:00:13,827 and that night... 1312 01:00:17,265 --> 01:00:19,267 You know, when you listen to most of that record now, 1313 01:00:19,441 --> 01:00:21,618 everybody's at the top of their game. 1314 01:00:24,664 --> 01:00:26,231 Running on Empty sounded like a train... 1315 01:00:27,536 --> 01:00:29,060 for night, after night, after night. 1316 01:00:45,032 --> 01:00:46,381 Announcer 2: I'm sure you can sense 1317 01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:50,516 the almost massive power of that cry. 1318 01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:56,609 Five, four, three, two, one. Happy New Year! 1319 01:01:00,004 --> 01:01:02,397 Early '80s, we were all working like crazy. 1320 01:01:02,571 --> 01:01:04,051 Yeah, that's what the days were then. 1321 01:01:04,225 --> 01:01:05,618 It was either two or three sessions a day. 1322 01:01:05,792 --> 01:01:06,880 Yeah. 1323 01:01:07,315 --> 01:01:10,188 So, the '80s were really plentiful music working. 1324 01:01:10,536 --> 01:01:12,190 But the music changed into the '80s. 1325 01:01:12,364 --> 01:01:13,321 Yeah. 1326 01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:15,062 It just started to change. 1327 01:01:15,454 --> 01:01:17,151 And I think we all kind of changed 1328 01:01:17,325 --> 01:01:19,110 a little bit, too. I know for myself, 1329 01:01:19,545 --> 01:01:21,242 I started getting into songwriting more 1330 01:01:21,416 --> 01:01:22,896 and started to produce some records. 1331 01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:24,419 And it was a time for me 1332 01:01:24,593 --> 01:01:26,334 - of reinventing yourself. Yeah. 1333 01:01:26,508 --> 01:01:29,033 You know, because maybe you do a couple tours, 1334 01:01:29,207 --> 01:01:31,862 but not as much as we did in the '70s. 1335 01:01:32,036 --> 01:01:33,167 It was a transitional time for all of us. 1336 01:01:33,341 --> 01:01:34,255 Yeah. - Yeah. 1337 01:01:36,518 --> 01:01:38,303 A lot of things were changing in the '80s. 1338 01:01:38,477 --> 01:01:39,957 You know, styles were changing. 1339 01:01:40,435 --> 01:01:42,220 The rock and the country rock that had dominated the charts 1340 01:01:42,394 --> 01:01:44,048 in the '70s, the whole West Coast sound, 1341 01:01:44,352 --> 01:01:46,180 there was a pushback starting to happen. 1342 01:01:46,659 --> 01:01:49,749 When the '80s hit and it became digital, 1343 01:01:49,923 --> 01:01:51,795 and the DX7 and all that hit, 1344 01:01:51,969 --> 01:01:53,971 and suddenly, guys weren't getting hired for work, 1345 01:01:54,145 --> 01:01:56,495 because somebody was doing it on synth. 1346 01:01:56,756 --> 01:01:57,975 They were calling me, going, 1347 01:01:58,236 --> 01:02:00,238 "If you hear of any tours, man." 1348 01:02:00,542 --> 01:02:03,807 And I would go, "You know, those seats are covered." 1349 01:02:04,111 --> 01:02:06,200 I saw studios closing down in LA 1350 01:02:06,374 --> 01:02:08,725 and I just saw things shifting. Drum machines came out. 1351 01:02:08,899 --> 01:02:10,030 A lot of things were changing. 1352 01:02:10,422 --> 01:02:11,728 And at one point, I said, 1353 01:02:11,989 --> 01:02:13,294 "Is this the end of rock and roll? 1354 01:02:13,468 --> 01:02:15,035 Is this the end?" 1355 01:02:15,209 --> 01:02:17,211 That's one small step for man... 1356 01:02:18,647 --> 01:02:21,215 one giant leap for mankind. 1357 01:02:23,478 --> 01:02:25,567 The next thing that happened was MTV. 1358 01:02:25,959 --> 01:02:27,831 And as soon as it came on, we had it on all day 1359 01:02:28,005 --> 01:02:29,615 and all night, all of us, everyone, 1360 01:02:29,789 --> 01:02:33,227 and not just people I knew, everyone had it on, 24-7. 1361 01:02:33,662 --> 01:02:35,839 And it brought excitement, it brought interest 1362 01:02:36,013 --> 01:02:37,666 and excitement back to popular music. 1363 01:02:38,624 --> 01:02:41,192 Kootch decided to go in the direction of writing 1364 01:02:41,453 --> 01:02:43,672 and production. He was not the studio guy. 1365 01:02:43,847 --> 01:02:45,500 He had his thing that he did. 1366 01:02:45,674 --> 01:02:49,200 And when they wanted that thing, there was nobody better. 1367 01:02:50,636 --> 01:02:53,726 In 1981, I was adrift. The Eagles had broken up. 1368 01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:56,250 I was never expecting to have a solo career. 1369 01:02:57,208 --> 01:02:59,776 And I didn't really know what I was gonna do next. 1370 01:03:00,820 --> 01:03:02,604 Peter and his then-wife, Betsy, 1371 01:03:02,779 --> 01:03:04,171 had thrown this Fourth of July party. 1372 01:03:04,345 --> 01:03:06,347 I think it was the Fourth of July, 1981. 1373 01:03:06,521 --> 01:03:10,656 And Danny was there. And that's when he and I bonded. 1374 01:03:11,526 --> 01:03:14,399 And he started encouraging me to make a record. 1375 01:03:15,443 --> 01:03:16,793 Don calls. He says, "Come on up." 1376 01:03:17,141 --> 01:03:18,838 I went up there and started, you know, 1377 01:03:19,012 --> 01:03:21,406 ran some ideas past him. And he ran some ideas past me. 1378 01:03:21,580 --> 01:03:23,016 After a couple of hours, he says, "So, 1379 01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:25,627 you want to work on this album with me?" 1380 01:03:26,454 --> 01:03:28,674 "Absolutely." I think that he realized he wanted to go 1381 01:03:28,848 --> 01:03:30,719 a total different direction than the Eagles, 1382 01:03:31,068 --> 01:03:32,809 which is why he called me, 1383 01:03:33,070 --> 01:03:35,246 'cause I don't have any Eagles stuff in me. 1384 01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:37,117 I just don't do that. 1385 01:03:37,291 --> 01:03:39,076 And at that point, that's when I stopped touring 1386 01:03:39,467 --> 01:03:40,729 and stopped doing sessions. 1387 01:03:40,991 --> 01:03:43,123 Danny started bringing me pieces of music 1388 01:03:43,297 --> 01:03:44,211 that he had worked on. 1389 01:03:45,386 --> 01:03:47,562 One of the great things about working with Henley 1390 01:03:47,736 --> 01:03:49,826 was that any time a new piece of gear came out, 1391 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,132 Don would turn to his aide-de-camp, Tony Tavy, 1392 01:03:52,306 --> 01:03:53,481 and say, "Tony, get one." 1393 01:03:54,004 --> 01:03:55,919 A day later, two days later, it shows up. 1394 01:03:56,354 --> 01:03:58,704 So, one night, I'm banging away on my Farfisa organ. 1395 01:03:58,878 --> 01:04:00,837 I think we had the first one in the country. 1396 01:04:01,011 --> 01:04:02,360 And one of the sounds was something called 1397 01:04:02,534 --> 01:04:03,709 "sample and hold." 1398 01:04:04,014 --> 01:04:07,669 You press the key. 1399 01:04:07,844 --> 01:04:09,976 So, I took that, and I went, "Hmm, that's interesting. 1400 01:04:10,237 --> 01:04:11,412 What's happens if you slow it down?" 1401 01:04:14,676 --> 01:04:16,504 I took that, ran it through a fuzz tone. 1402 01:04:18,811 --> 01:04:20,204 I ran it through an Echoplex. 1403 01:04:22,815 --> 01:04:24,904 And I went, "Oh, wow, this is fun." 1404 01:04:27,254 --> 01:04:31,041 ♪ I make my living Off the evening news ♪ 1405 01:04:32,216 --> 01:04:35,784 ♪ Just give me something Something I can use ♪ 1406 01:04:35,959 --> 01:04:37,699 I knew he wanted to write a song called "Dirty Laundry." 1407 01:04:37,874 --> 01:04:39,658 That was one of the first things he talked about with me. 1408 01:04:40,441 --> 01:04:42,661 I started playing the music that you hear on record. 1409 01:04:45,011 --> 01:04:46,404 There's a knock on the door. 1410 01:04:46,578 --> 01:04:48,145 It's like 1:00, 1:30 in the morning. 1411 01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:49,450 And it's Jackson. 1412 01:04:49,929 --> 01:04:53,498 I said, "Take this, man." 1413 01:04:53,672 --> 01:04:54,934 I started playing him, 1414 01:04:55,369 --> 01:04:56,414 you know, the music to "Dirty Laundry." 1415 01:04:57,154 --> 01:04:59,591 He goes, "Well, that's it? Just that over and over again?" 1416 01:04:59,765 --> 01:05:00,766 I said, "Yes." 1417 01:05:04,117 --> 01:05:05,902 It's a combination of an ass-shaker 1418 01:05:06,076 --> 01:05:07,816 with a message on top of it. 1419 01:05:08,252 --> 01:05:09,557 ♪ Kick 'em when they're down Kick 'em when they're up ♪ 1420 01:05:09,731 --> 01:05:11,037 ♪ Kick 'em when they're down ♪ 1421 01:05:11,472 --> 01:05:12,909 When I was working with Henley, 1422 01:05:13,083 --> 01:05:14,388 I used to realize, that if I come up 1423 01:05:14,562 --> 01:05:16,303 with a good idea, we're gonna record it. 1424 01:05:16,477 --> 01:05:18,479 If he likes it and can sing to it, 1425 01:05:18,653 --> 01:05:20,612 bang, we're in the studio and we're starting to do it. 1426 01:05:21,134 --> 01:05:23,006 Whereas in the old days, you would go into the studio 1427 01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:25,138 with a song that was completely finished, 1428 01:05:25,965 --> 01:05:27,880 we just sort of made it up as we went along. 1429 01:05:28,794 --> 01:05:31,144 And we did some songs that he wrote by himself. 1430 01:05:31,318 --> 01:05:33,364 I mean, I didn't write "All She Wants to Do Is Dance." 1431 01:05:33,538 --> 01:05:35,279 He wrote that whole song. 1432 01:05:35,453 --> 01:05:38,282 ♪ They mix 'em up Right in the kitchen sink ♪ 1433 01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:41,589 ♪ All she wants to do is dance ♪ 1434 01:05:41,763 --> 01:05:43,417 Started writing the words very quickly. 1435 01:05:43,591 --> 01:05:46,551 I wrote all the lyrics in about ten, 15 minutes. 1436 01:05:47,378 --> 01:05:49,206 So, then of course, we were in the studio, 1437 01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:50,642 I went down and played it for Don 1438 01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:52,383 and sang what I had on it. 1439 01:05:52,557 --> 01:05:53,645 He said, "Oh, that's great, we got to record it." 1440 01:05:53,819 --> 01:05:55,386 ♪ Ain't afraid to die ♪ 1441 01:05:55,908 --> 01:05:59,868 ♪ All she wants to do is All she wants to do is dance ♪ 1442 01:06:00,043 --> 01:06:02,175 When you listen to the Don Henley records, 1443 01:06:02,349 --> 01:06:04,786 The Boys of Summer and The End of the Innocence, 1444 01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:06,614 and all that stuff, those horn sounds 1445 01:06:06,788 --> 01:06:08,355 that he did with that synth guitar, 1446 01:06:08,529 --> 01:06:10,227 just, like, mind boggling. 1447 01:06:11,489 --> 01:06:12,881 One day, I'm on the 101 1448 01:06:13,056 --> 01:06:14,361 and I'm kind of stuck in traffic. 1449 01:06:14,753 --> 01:06:16,581 This kid next to me, he's got the windows open 1450 01:06:16,755 --> 01:06:18,626 and "All She Wants to Do Is Dance" is blasting 1451 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,976 out of the radio. 1452 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,281 And this kid is banging his head to it. 1453 01:06:21,716 --> 01:06:23,196 And that was one of the highlights 1454 01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:25,590 of my life, really, is watching somebody else 1455 01:06:25,764 --> 01:06:27,157 groove to something I did. 1456 01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:30,682 The thing with technology... 1457 01:06:31,726 --> 01:06:33,946 is until you learn it, it's terrifying 1458 01:06:34,555 --> 01:06:35,817 and it's threatening. 1459 01:06:36,601 --> 01:06:39,908 The musicians either embraced going forward 1460 01:06:40,083 --> 01:06:43,956 with new technologies or didn't work as much. 1461 01:06:44,217 --> 01:06:47,873 The sounds that got created from the technology 1462 01:06:48,047 --> 01:06:51,964 influenced both the writing and the production. 1463 01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:54,140 And so, you were either part of it 1464 01:06:54,314 --> 01:06:55,359 or you weren't working. 1465 01:06:55,794 --> 01:06:57,665 Neil had heard the Don Henley stuff 1466 01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:59,798 that I was working on and a lot of synthesizers 1467 01:06:59,972 --> 01:07:00,973 and different stuff. 1468 01:07:02,105 --> 01:07:04,846 I knew him and I saw him with his band at Farm Aid. 1469 01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:08,850 It's a big band sound with a lot of synthesizers. 1470 01:07:09,025 --> 01:07:10,330 You know, it impressed me. 1471 01:07:10,504 --> 01:07:11,853 So, he wanted to call me in, because he felt 1472 01:07:12,028 --> 01:07:14,291 I knew about that stuff, which I kind of did. 1473 01:07:14,465 --> 01:07:16,771 The other guy I called was the great Steve Jordan. 1474 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,078 Steve and I, and Neil, bashed along 1475 01:07:19,252 --> 01:07:23,126 with this synth parts, his little Synclavier parts 1476 01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:24,518 that he'd already put together. 1477 01:07:25,084 --> 01:07:27,086 And we made this album, Landing on Water. 1478 01:07:27,695 --> 01:07:30,307 And then we'd get something going on a Synclavier 1479 01:07:30,481 --> 01:07:33,092 and I'd, you know, program a bunch of shit into it. 1480 01:07:34,006 --> 01:07:35,355 It was both like they were showing off 1481 01:07:35,529 --> 01:07:36,878 their bag of toys. 1482 01:07:37,227 --> 01:07:38,924 You know, it's like, "Look what I've been doing." 1483 01:07:39,098 --> 01:07:41,274 And "Oh, well, check this out. I got this and I got this." 1484 01:07:41,535 --> 01:07:45,409 And then we put that on and then Kootch and Steve 1485 01:07:45,583 --> 01:07:47,802 would play with that and I might sing with it. 1486 01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,154 ♪ Weight of the world ♪ 1487 01:07:53,330 --> 01:07:56,898 That record is a really memorable record for me. 1488 01:07:57,377 --> 01:07:59,727 He's not here, right? We don't want to talk about him. 1489 01:07:59,988 --> 01:08:01,512 No, you can talk all you want about him. 1490 01:08:04,341 --> 01:08:05,690 I'm telling you, I think it's great. 1491 01:08:05,864 --> 01:08:08,693 That's one of the absolute greatest albums 1492 01:08:08,867 --> 01:08:11,957 that I ever worked on as a musician or a producer. 1493 01:08:12,392 --> 01:08:13,828 Loved every minute of it. 1494 01:08:14,394 --> 01:08:17,484 In 1980, I signed a record contract with Atlantic. 1495 01:08:17,745 --> 01:08:20,226 And so, then Waddy came back into my life. 1496 01:08:21,358 --> 01:08:22,880 The guitar part on "Edge of Seventeen," 1497 01:08:23,055 --> 01:08:24,665 when I first heard it in the studio 1498 01:08:24,839 --> 01:08:26,624 in the demo that we learned the song from, 1499 01:08:26,798 --> 01:08:28,755 the guitar part was being done with an echo. 1500 01:08:29,235 --> 01:08:31,324 "I'm not doing that. It's punk shit." 1501 01:08:31,585 --> 01:08:33,196 Jimmy Iovine went, 1502 01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:34,631 "What do you mean you're not gonna do that?" 1503 01:08:35,371 --> 01:08:35,633 And I said, "Well, I'm gonna do it like, you know, this." 1504 01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:44,207 ♪ And the days go by Like a strand in the wind ♪ 1505 01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:45,337 ♪ In the web that is my own ♪ 1506 01:08:45,512 --> 01:08:46,644 When we heard it back, 1507 01:08:47,253 --> 01:08:48,646 it was like this kind of more physical animal version 1508 01:08:48,819 --> 01:08:50,778 of the thing that Stevie had going. 1509 01:08:50,952 --> 01:08:53,389 ♪ Everything stopped Nothing else matters ♪ 1510 01:08:53,564 --> 01:08:56,306 And it was cut, it was done. It was finished. 1511 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,395 And everybody was like, "Well, that was great." 1512 01:08:58,656 --> 01:09:03,703 ♪ He was no more Than a baby then ♪ 1513 01:09:03,878 --> 01:09:05,184 So, I didn't think about 1514 01:09:05,619 --> 01:09:08,187 how physically demanding it was going to become. 1515 01:09:08,361 --> 01:09:10,842 When we got out on the road, it would go for like 1516 01:09:11,799 --> 01:09:13,192 14, 15 minutes long. 1517 01:09:13,366 --> 01:09:14,541 I mean, I would do it five minutes before 1518 01:09:14,715 --> 01:09:15,846 she'd even come out on stage. 1519 01:09:18,458 --> 01:09:20,982 And we get to rehearsals and we'd start doing the song. 1520 01:09:21,287 --> 01:09:22,723 And I'm going, "Ow." 1521 01:09:23,724 --> 01:09:25,422 So, now whenever we go on the road, 1522 01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:27,728 I'm in my room for about a week and a half, just doing that. 1523 01:09:28,728 --> 01:09:29,991 I got to be looking good. 1524 01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:31,384 I can't be crying like a baby going, 1525 01:09:31,558 --> 01:09:32,733 "We got to stop now." 1526 01:09:33,255 --> 01:09:35,562 ♪ Her lips A sweet surprise ♪ 1527 01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:39,783 ♪ Her hands are never cold ♪ 1528 01:09:40,827 --> 01:09:42,178 ♪ She's got Bette Davis eyes ♪ 1529 01:09:42,526 --> 01:09:45,137 Waddy, for example, as a guitar player, 1530 01:09:45,442 --> 01:09:47,966 is one of the most solid rhythm 1531 01:09:48,139 --> 01:09:49,446 guitar players I've ever worked with. 1532 01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:51,187 I mean, you want an eighth note guitar 1533 01:09:51,361 --> 01:09:53,450 or something, there is nobody that plays eighth notes 1534 01:09:53,624 --> 01:09:55,016 better than Waddy Wachtel. 1535 01:09:55,713 --> 01:09:58,281 ♪ She got Bette Davis eyes ♪ 1536 01:09:58,455 --> 01:10:00,326 Niko called me to come out 1537 01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:02,633 and play on this song called, "Oh Sherrie" by Steve Perry. 1538 01:10:02,894 --> 01:10:04,287 I said, "Sure, yeah." 1539 01:10:04,809 --> 01:10:06,853 So, I went out to Record One and laid down the eighth notes 1540 01:10:07,028 --> 01:10:08,594 for the basic rhythm track. 1541 01:10:08,769 --> 01:10:15,080 ♪ Oh, Sherrie Oh, oh, hold on ♪ 1542 01:10:15,254 --> 01:10:16,516 So, I did that. 1543 01:10:16,690 --> 01:10:18,126 And they said, "Okay, that's great, man. 1544 01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:19,563 Thanks a lot." I went, 1545 01:10:19,998 --> 01:10:21,391 "What do you mean, 'Thanks'? Wait a minute, what? 1546 01:10:22,043 --> 01:10:23,610 What do you mean? What are you talking about? 1547 01:10:23,784 --> 01:10:26,918 What about the section? What about the solo section?" 1548 01:10:27,832 --> 01:10:30,791 And Niko goes, "No, he's gonna, like, put a saxophone there." 1549 01:10:30,965 --> 01:10:32,097 I went, "No, he's not." 1550 01:10:32,619 --> 01:10:34,142 He goes, "What?" 1551 01:10:34,317 --> 01:10:36,710 I said, "He's not putting a saxophone there." 1552 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,887 I said, "Play the fucking tape. I know what should go there." 1553 01:10:49,419 --> 01:10:51,334 And Steve came in and just went out of his mind. 1554 01:10:51,682 --> 01:10:54,337 He went, "What? What's that?" 1555 01:10:54,598 --> 01:10:57,818 I said, "That's your solo." He goes, "Oh man, that's great." 1556 01:11:00,430 --> 01:11:02,475 You want a solo that you'll never forget? 1557 01:11:02,648 --> 01:11:05,913 The solo in, "Oh Sherrie," the solo in "Only the Lonely," 1558 01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:09,612 all these solos that he plays are, like, memorable. 1559 01:11:10,309 --> 01:11:13,443 ♪ But that time I saw you ♪ 1560 01:11:13,617 --> 01:11:17,055 ♪ I knew with you To light my nights ♪ 1561 01:11:17,228 --> 01:11:19,579 And then we went on tour in Europe. 1562 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,014 And we got to England 1563 01:11:21,364 --> 01:11:22,407 And played the Old Vic, the theater. 1564 01:11:23,017 --> 01:11:25,237 And after the show, we go downstairs 1565 01:11:25,411 --> 01:11:26,673 where the dressing rooms were. 1566 01:11:26,847 --> 01:11:28,284 And there's Keith Richards standing there. 1567 01:11:28,458 --> 01:11:29,850 And I was just like, "Whoa." 1568 01:11:30,416 --> 01:11:31,591 And I walked up to him 1569 01:11:31,764 --> 01:11:33,505 and I went, "Wow, a Rolling Stone." 1570 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,639 I said, "And we're the same height. I like that." 1571 01:11:35,813 --> 01:11:37,771 And he goes, "Hey, man, good to meet you." 1572 01:11:38,511 --> 01:11:39,904 We got on right away. 1573 01:11:40,077 --> 01:11:41,297 We spent a bunch of days together. 1574 01:11:41,775 --> 01:11:44,430 The next thing that cropped up was, 1575 01:11:44,603 --> 01:11:46,824 "Hey, Keith, you know, the Stones are not gonna be 1576 01:11:46,998 --> 01:11:50,088 doing much for a year or two." I realized that, 1577 01:11:50,262 --> 01:11:51,655 "Hey, now, I ain't gonna 1578 01:11:51,829 --> 01:11:53,134 fucking sit around doing nothing while 1579 01:11:53,309 --> 01:11:55,353 Mick decides what to do. 1580 01:11:55,876 --> 01:11:56,921 Okay... 1581 01:11:58,531 --> 01:12:00,184 I'm gonna put a band together now." 1582 01:12:01,142 --> 01:12:05,277 When Keith and I were putting the band together, 1583 01:12:05,712 --> 01:12:09,673 the first person we thought of was Waddy. 1584 01:12:09,847 --> 01:12:11,239 Waddy Wachtel. 1585 01:12:11,805 --> 01:12:13,329 I mean, that's who I want to play with. 1586 01:12:16,505 --> 01:12:17,898 Living down in Venice, 1587 01:12:18,072 --> 01:12:19,117 and I get this phone call one day, 1588 01:12:19,422 --> 01:12:22,294 British lawyer. "Hello, Waddy?" "Yeah." 1589 01:12:22,468 --> 01:12:24,209 And he goes, "I'm such and such. 1590 01:12:24,383 --> 01:12:26,210 I represent Keith Richards and... 1591 01:12:27,386 --> 01:12:28,692 he's trying to find you." 1592 01:12:29,823 --> 01:12:30,781 I said, "Oh, really? 1593 01:12:31,564 --> 01:12:32,913 Well, you found me. 1594 01:12:33,087 --> 01:12:34,175 Why don't you give him my phone number?" 1595 01:12:34,350 --> 01:12:35,655 As soon as I found out 1596 01:12:35,829 --> 01:12:37,831 that Waddy, like, jumped at the idea, 1597 01:12:38,005 --> 01:12:39,311 and so, suddenly, we had... 1598 01:12:40,921 --> 01:12:42,575 you know, the Winos. 1599 01:12:42,835 --> 01:12:45,796 - ♪ Shouldn't take it so hard ♪ - ♪ Yeah ♪ 1600 01:12:45,969 --> 01:12:49,713 ♪ Shouldn't take it Shouldn't take it so hard ♪ 1601 01:12:49,887 --> 01:12:54,630 - ♪ Shouldn't take it so hard ♪ - ♪ Yeah ♪ 1602 01:12:54,805 --> 01:12:57,851 Keith loves what he calls, "the scrub." 1603 01:12:58,330 --> 01:13:01,768 So, basically, like, he had the scrub with Brian Jones. 1604 01:13:02,726 --> 01:13:04,945 He had the weave with Mick Taylor. 1605 01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:07,469 They didn't have to talk about anything. 1606 01:13:07,773 --> 01:13:09,602 The scrub and the weave 1607 01:13:09,862 --> 01:13:11,735 were there instantly, just add water. 1608 01:13:11,909 --> 01:13:13,476 You know, it was crazy. 1609 01:13:14,041 --> 01:13:17,175 I mean, the thing is, when guys working together, 1610 01:13:17,915 --> 01:13:20,352 the wonder of it was when you're looking at each other 1611 01:13:20,526 --> 01:13:24,835 as the take ends, you know, and you're going, like... 1612 01:13:25,009 --> 01:13:27,490 You get that dopey look on your face, and you go, 1613 01:13:28,228 --> 01:13:29,448 "Yeah." 1614 01:13:29,883 --> 01:13:31,755 And like, Waddy and I are kind of like that. 1615 01:13:31,929 --> 01:13:33,191 "Yeah." 1616 01:13:33,583 --> 01:13:36,193 You know, and that's the shit, as we call it. 1617 01:13:36,368 --> 01:13:39,545 - ♪ Shouldn't take it so hard ♪ - ♪ Yeah ♪ 1618 01:13:39,893 --> 01:13:41,504 ♪ Shouldn't take it so hard ♪ 1619 01:13:41,678 --> 01:13:42,853 Waddy's a brilliant producer, 1620 01:13:43,244 --> 01:13:45,029 a brilliant player and a producer. 1621 01:13:45,290 --> 01:13:46,813 Got to produce several good albums. 1622 01:13:47,248 --> 01:13:48,815 Gilby Clarke is one. 1623 01:13:48,989 --> 01:13:50,904 And then The Church came along with Greg, 1624 01:13:51,077 --> 01:13:52,471 my partner Greg Ladanyi. 1625 01:13:53,124 --> 01:13:55,213 I watched enough producers and been involved 1626 01:13:55,474 --> 01:13:58,259 in enough sessions that I felt that I could do that. 1627 01:13:58,737 --> 01:14:03,395 I had the great opportunity to produce six albums 1628 01:14:03,568 --> 01:14:06,529 with Jimmy Buffett and play live with him, 1629 01:14:06,964 --> 01:14:08,400 co-write songs with him. 1630 01:14:09,401 --> 01:14:11,664 The first album that I produced for Jimmy 1631 01:14:11,838 --> 01:14:14,406 was an album called Fruitcakes. 1632 01:14:14,841 --> 01:14:18,062 And we recorded it at Compass Point Studios 1633 01:14:18,236 --> 01:14:20,499 in Nassau in the Bahamas. 1634 01:14:20,673 --> 01:14:22,675 And Jimmy asked me to go to lunch with him. 1635 01:14:22,849 --> 01:14:25,199 And we had a lunch of conch chowder 1636 01:14:25,373 --> 01:14:26,723 and conch fritters. 1637 01:14:27,288 --> 01:14:28,768 And we went for a walk on the beach. 1638 01:14:29,246 --> 01:14:30,727 And we're walking down the beach. 1639 01:14:30,901 --> 01:14:33,643 And he said, "Russi, I only have one rule." 1640 01:14:33,817 --> 01:14:35,818 And I said, "Bubba, what's that?" 1641 01:14:35,993 --> 01:14:39,692 And he said, "If it ain't fun, I ain't doing it." 1642 01:14:40,476 --> 01:14:42,347 ♪ Now, I don't know ♪ 1643 01:14:43,696 --> 01:14:45,350 ♪ I don't know ♪ 1644 01:14:46,351 --> 01:14:48,745 ♪ I don't know Where I'm a-gonna go ♪ 1645 01:14:48,919 --> 01:14:50,573 ♪ When the volcano blow ♪ 1646 01:14:51,225 --> 01:14:52,313 He would be there, 1647 01:14:52,966 --> 01:14:54,620 and he would sing a guide vocal while we were tracking it. 1648 01:14:54,794 --> 01:14:56,666 And then once we got the track, I would have him go 1649 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,929 in the vocal booth and just have him sing the song 1650 01:14:59,103 --> 01:15:00,452 three times through, straight through 1651 01:15:00,626 --> 01:15:01,714 without stopping him. 1652 01:15:02,236 --> 01:15:03,455 And he would go fishing. 1653 01:15:03,716 --> 01:15:06,502 So, you know, he loved the process. 1654 01:15:12,682 --> 01:15:15,641 ♪ If you do anything wrong It's gonna get worse ♪ 1655 01:15:15,815 --> 01:15:17,164 ♪ If he waits too long ♪ 1656 01:15:17,773 --> 01:15:19,210 ♪ Billy ♪ 1657 01:15:19,384 --> 01:15:21,125 ♪ Billy, don't you lose my number ♪ 1658 01:15:21,299 --> 01:15:24,258 By the time it came around to about '84... 1659 01:15:25,608 --> 01:15:28,871 I was doing what was to become No Jacket Required. 1660 01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:31,962 So, I wanted to make more of a dancy album. 1661 01:15:32,528 --> 01:15:34,530 And you know, he was the guy I called. 1662 01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:36,443 ♪ 'Cause you're not anywhere ♪ 1663 01:15:37,445 --> 01:15:39,404 ♪ That I can find you ♪ 1664 01:15:39,577 --> 01:15:43,974 Unbeknownst to myself, and with no premeditation, 1665 01:15:44,148 --> 01:15:48,500 I ended up with a style and a sound that work. 1666 01:15:54,288 --> 01:15:57,074 When recording it, I've never been afraid of the red light. 1667 01:15:57,248 --> 01:15:58,771 I kind of look at that as like a bull 1668 01:15:58,945 --> 01:16:00,207 looking at a red cave. 1669 01:16:00,512 --> 01:16:01,905 Some guys choke when that red light comes on. 1670 01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:03,862 They're playing their butts off and doing it. 1671 01:16:04,037 --> 01:16:05,517 And as soon as that light comes on, man, 1672 01:16:05,691 --> 01:16:08,259 they're, like, stumbling 'cause it's intimidating. 1673 01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:10,827 You've got to get the goods, right at that moment. 1674 01:16:11,001 --> 01:16:15,135 ♪ Now, Billy, Billy Don't you lose my number ♪ 1675 01:16:16,005 --> 01:16:17,616 ♪ 'Cause you're not anywhere ♪ 1676 01:16:17,790 --> 01:16:19,357 When he was playing for Phil Collins, 1677 01:16:19,923 --> 01:16:21,228 he was the best bass player there was. 1678 01:16:21,707 --> 01:16:23,535 He is. He's that good. 1679 01:16:23,709 --> 01:16:27,017 ♪ Billy, Billy Don't you lose my number ♪ 1680 01:16:28,148 --> 01:16:30,281 ♪ 'Cause you're not anywhere ♪ 1681 01:16:30,716 --> 01:16:33,632 I was signed to MCA Records. 1682 01:16:33,806 --> 01:16:36,896 I worked with a wonderful group of musicians from Phoenix. 1683 01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:39,550 And Bowen called me in his office, and he said, 1684 01:16:39,725 --> 01:16:41,597 "I know you want to use your guys 1685 01:16:41,771 --> 01:16:44,077 on this recording, but if you had a chance 1686 01:16:44,251 --> 01:16:46,471 to work with Leland Sklar, 1687 01:16:46,993 --> 01:16:48,255 why wouldn't you?" 1688 01:16:48,734 --> 01:16:50,823 And wow, you know, what an education it was 1689 01:16:50,996 --> 01:16:52,695 to work with Leland Sklar for the first time. 1690 01:16:52,869 --> 01:16:55,349 And to play with Russ and Leland together, 1691 01:16:55,827 --> 01:16:58,048 you know, I felt I was-- 1692 01:16:58,309 --> 01:17:01,225 You know, that took me back to those days in high school 1693 01:17:01,398 --> 01:17:04,402 when I was telling my friends, you know, who played bass 1694 01:17:04,576 --> 01:17:06,534 and who played drums on those James Taylor records. 1695 01:17:07,144 --> 01:17:10,930 I learned a lot about how to start producing 1696 01:17:11,103 --> 01:17:12,758 from Danny in a lot of ways. 1697 01:17:12,932 --> 01:17:14,717 And so just doing kind of what I learned 1698 01:17:14,891 --> 01:17:16,327 from Danny by matching a song, 1699 01:17:16,501 --> 01:17:17,763 coming up with a new arrangement of it. 1700 01:17:17,937 --> 01:17:19,460 And connecting it with an artist, 1701 01:17:19,635 --> 01:17:21,637 - but that's all your fault. Yeah. 1702 01:17:25,466 --> 01:17:27,643 Ego goes out the window, 'cause if you come in 1703 01:17:27,817 --> 01:17:30,820 with an ego, you're not doing what you're supposed to be. 1704 01:17:30,994 --> 01:17:32,648 Well, I'm not sure that's true. I have a huge ego, 1705 01:17:32,822 --> 01:17:33,952 as well you know. 1706 01:17:34,214 --> 01:17:35,825 We would have our differences. 1707 01:17:35,999 --> 01:17:39,611 You know, we would get into disagreements sometimes. 1708 01:17:39,785 --> 01:17:41,482 I got fired three or four times... 1709 01:17:41,657 --> 01:17:43,659 ...over the course of the three hours we made. 1710 01:17:43,833 --> 01:17:46,705 And he would occasionally do 1711 01:17:46,879 --> 01:17:49,012 one of his little rants and then, you know, 1712 01:17:49,186 --> 01:17:50,796 you'd let him get it out and get it over with. 1713 01:17:50,969 --> 01:17:52,537 After a week or a month or something, 1714 01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:55,452 he'd call up and go, "Well, let's get back to work." 1715 01:17:55,758 --> 01:17:57,063 So, that's what we would do. 1716 01:17:57,498 --> 01:17:58,585 You had to be careful with Danny. 1717 01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:00,327 Oh, Kootch was opinionated. 1718 01:18:00,501 --> 01:18:02,503 One of the most opinionated persons I ever met. 1719 01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:05,332 And it suits him, you know, that he never has 1720 01:18:05,505 --> 01:18:06,986 a moment's doubt... ...you know? 1721 01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:08,509 Even if he did play a wrong note, 1722 01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:11,295 you'd never know it, because it would be 1723 01:18:11,469 --> 01:18:13,818 completed with a gesture of bravado. 1724 01:18:13,993 --> 01:18:15,429 There are guys more opinionated, 1725 01:18:15,603 --> 01:18:18,693 but not as right about what they think. 1726 01:18:18,955 --> 01:18:22,436 And I think that makes Kootch what he is. 1727 01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:25,483 And is-- That same confidence comes across 1728 01:18:25,657 --> 01:18:26,876 in his playing, you know? 1729 01:18:27,485 --> 01:18:28,878 No, he just wanted it to be good. 1730 01:18:29,052 --> 01:18:30,793 You know, he was like the rest of those guys. 1731 01:18:30,967 --> 01:18:32,838 They were there for the song and for the music. 1732 01:18:33,012 --> 01:18:36,407 And the finished product is what they wanted it to be the best 1733 01:18:36,581 --> 01:18:37,755 it could be. 1734 01:18:38,539 --> 01:18:40,933 I started producing Don Henley and that changed my entire life. 1735 01:18:43,675 --> 01:18:46,025 Leland had experiences working with Phil Collins 1736 01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:49,463 and Danny had experiences of working with Don Henley. 1737 01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:51,727 You know, Waddy had experiences working with Warren 1738 01:18:51,901 --> 01:18:53,380 on the road and stuff. 1739 01:18:53,554 --> 01:18:55,731 So, we split up sometimes, but we would always 1740 01:18:55,905 --> 01:18:58,210 get back together for certain projects. 1741 01:18:58,385 --> 01:19:00,910 ♪ I'm so proud of my name ♪ 1742 01:19:01,432 --> 01:19:03,347 ♪ And you know where I am ♪ 1743 01:19:03,521 --> 01:19:07,219 The Troubadour reunion tour, James and Carole. 1744 01:19:07,568 --> 01:19:10,223 And now, for a long time, 1745 01:19:10,397 --> 01:19:12,660 I hadn't played with Russ and Lee. 1746 01:19:13,139 --> 01:19:14,487 And then I was astonished that this thing 1747 01:19:14,662 --> 01:19:16,012 actually came together. 1748 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:17,709 We went and started playing this music 1749 01:19:17,883 --> 01:19:19,580 and it was like we had played it last week. 1750 01:19:22,627 --> 01:19:26,370 ♪ Really All you gotta do is call ♪ 1751 01:19:27,458 --> 01:19:31,418 ♪ And I will be there Yeah, yes, I'll be there ♪ 1752 01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:33,898 "You've Got a Friend." 1753 01:19:34,378 --> 01:19:36,162 I turned around, I looked out at the audience, 1754 01:19:36,902 --> 01:19:39,687 and I'd never seen anything like that in my life. 1755 01:19:39,862 --> 01:19:42,516 These are mothers and daughters embracing each other, 1756 01:19:42,690 --> 01:19:44,344 couples embracing each other. 1757 01:19:44,518 --> 01:19:46,085 They're in tears, man. 1758 01:19:46,651 --> 01:19:49,175 And then I realized what this meant to people, 1759 01:19:49,349 --> 01:19:51,568 what this music that we did meant to people. 1760 01:19:51,916 --> 01:19:54,572 When I went and saw you guys with James... 1761 01:19:55,834 --> 01:19:58,706 was the first time when I sort of, 1762 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,318 the light bulb went off on what the rhythm section 1763 01:20:01,971 --> 01:20:03,320 could do, 'cause I always thought 1764 01:20:03,494 --> 01:20:04,974 I was gonna focus on James. 1765 01:20:05,148 --> 01:20:07,803 And I ended up listening to three of you all night. 1766 01:20:07,977 --> 01:20:11,850 And the light bulb went off on, "That's what they're doing." 1767 01:20:12,023 --> 01:20:14,722 Like, that's why you need a good rhythm section. 1768 01:20:14,897 --> 01:20:17,160 - Love you, Steve. 1769 01:20:17,334 --> 01:20:18,901 But now, I know that I was wrong. 1770 01:20:19,075 --> 01:20:20,337 That stuck with you. 1771 01:20:20,511 --> 01:20:21,991 Now, I know I was just mistaken. 1772 01:20:22,165 --> 01:20:24,036 [chuckles] Yeah, right. 1773 01:20:24,297 --> 01:20:25,690 It was the moment when I was like, 1774 01:20:25,864 --> 01:20:27,518 "I want to write songs, 1775 01:20:27,692 --> 01:20:29,955 but I also wanna be able to do that 1776 01:20:30,129 --> 01:20:31,043 and understand that." 1777 01:20:32,784 --> 01:20:34,394 So, then I started learning 1778 01:20:34,568 --> 01:20:37,353 all of Danny's parts instead of James' parts. 1779 01:20:38,094 --> 01:20:40,183 Skip ahead 30 years or whatever, 1780 01:20:40,531 --> 01:20:43,534 I met Danny at the Troubadour, introduced myself, 1781 01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:45,666 and we stayed in touch. 1782 01:20:46,406 --> 01:20:50,280 And I think it was a year later, maybe two, when he came out 1783 01:20:50,454 --> 01:20:52,237 for this New Year's Eve party with mutual friends. 1784 01:20:53,239 --> 01:20:55,067 The friends said, "Hey, you guys both play the guitar. 1785 01:20:55,241 --> 01:20:56,634 You should play for us." 1786 01:20:56,808 --> 01:20:57,983 So, we grabbed a couple of guitars 1787 01:20:58,157 --> 01:21:00,246 and we played for everybody. 1788 01:21:01,378 --> 01:21:03,162 Danny said, "Man, that's like we've been playing 1789 01:21:03,335 --> 01:21:04,903 together forever." And I said, "We have." 1790 01:21:05,077 --> 01:21:07,906 "I've been playing with you forever." 1791 01:21:08,646 --> 01:21:12,215 My pal Fred Mullen was contacted by Vivid Records, 1792 01:21:12,389 --> 01:21:13,912 they said, "Would Danny Kortchmar be interested 1793 01:21:14,085 --> 01:21:15,914 in making a solo record?" 1794 01:21:16,827 --> 01:21:18,264 I realized I had a lot of old songs, 1795 01:21:18,438 --> 01:21:20,309 songs that I'd co-written with James Taylor 1796 01:21:20,484 --> 01:21:22,312 and Don Henley, et cetera, et cetera. 1797 01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:24,967 And I thought about it. I said, "Well, you know, 1798 01:21:25,402 --> 01:21:27,404 my boys aren't gonna be anywhere around there. 1799 01:21:27,577 --> 01:21:28,884 They never are. 1800 01:21:29,058 --> 01:21:30,407 Russ and Lee, they're always gone." 1801 01:21:30,668 --> 01:21:32,713 And amazingly, I started calling them 1802 01:21:32,888 --> 01:21:34,237 and they were there. They were in town. 1803 01:21:34,498 --> 01:21:36,326 Wad was out on the road with Stevie and-- 1804 01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:37,849 - Making real money. Yeah, 1805 01:21:38,023 --> 01:21:39,719 and didn't come in until it was three days. 1806 01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:41,070 We recorded the thing in three days. 1807 01:21:41,331 --> 01:21:42,767 Wad came in on the last day. 1808 01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:45,378 And it took, you know, like 15 minutes. 1809 01:21:45,552 --> 01:21:46,684 - And then... - We were playing. 1810 01:21:46,858 --> 01:21:48,207 It sounded like us, yeah. 1811 01:21:48,512 --> 01:21:50,079 Our fingers were bleeding and things were hurting. 1812 01:21:50,253 --> 01:21:52,210 But we kind of got right back on the saddle. 1813 01:21:52,385 --> 01:21:56,520 It just evolved into what it is. We all love each other. 1814 01:21:56,693 --> 01:21:59,566 And you know, we were having so much fun playing this stuff 1815 01:21:59,740 --> 01:22:01,481 that we realized, "Yeah, 1816 01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:03,005 what the fuck? Let's make it a band." 1817 01:22:08,271 --> 01:22:12,057 ♪ Wanna shine tonight Make her mine tonight ♪ 1818 01:22:51,791 --> 01:22:54,665 It's pretty amazing to me to be in the band with them, 1819 01:22:55,013 --> 01:22:56,580 with all four of these guys, 1820 01:22:56,841 --> 01:22:59,757 because I followed their careers from the start. 1821 01:23:01,672 --> 01:23:02,934 Steve Postell is a great addition 1822 01:23:03,108 --> 01:23:04,370 to that lineup, 1823 01:23:04,805 --> 01:23:06,546 'cause he's a great producer and a great player. 1824 01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:09,375 It's really kind of a miracle that these guys are playing 1825 01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:12,030 in a band and doing these gigs, and if you go see them live, 1826 01:23:12,204 --> 01:23:15,728 you know, you see that not only did they give birth 1827 01:23:15,903 --> 01:23:17,340 to this music that they're playing. 1828 01:23:17,514 --> 01:23:19,081 They're as much the author of these songs 1829 01:23:19,255 --> 01:23:22,562 and of this music as the artists that they did it with. 1830 01:23:26,697 --> 01:23:29,656 Playing in this band has led us to all really listen 1831 01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:31,180 to each other and find a way 1832 01:23:31,353 --> 01:23:32,529 of playing, that's gonna help the band. 1833 01:23:33,008 --> 01:23:35,401 I think one of the things I appreciate so much 1834 01:23:35,575 --> 01:23:38,491 about this band, there's this camaraderie... 1835 01:23:38,665 --> 01:23:41,364 Yeah. - ...and mutual respect 1836 01:23:41,538 --> 01:23:43,931 and mutual love, and understanding, musically, 1837 01:23:44,106 --> 01:23:45,629 that's just so magical to me, 1838 01:23:45,803 --> 01:23:47,500 that just, I've never been in a situation 1839 01:23:47,674 --> 01:23:50,112 that had this kind of a feeling. 1840 01:23:50,503 --> 01:23:52,940 This is the hardest band to get away with a mistake in. 1841 01:23:53,115 --> 01:23:54,290 Oh. 1842 01:23:54,725 --> 01:23:56,422 'Cause as soon as somebody hits a blooper... 1843 01:23:56,596 --> 01:23:57,641 Busted! - ...it's-- 1844 01:23:57,815 --> 01:23:59,034 They stick out. 1845 01:23:59,208 --> 01:24:00,296 They stick out, don't they? 1846 01:24:00,469 --> 01:24:02,341 - Yeah. - There's one more 1847 01:24:02,862 --> 01:24:05,910 - wise guy move coming now. 1848 01:24:13,612 --> 01:24:14,962 Very difficult sometimes, 1849 01:24:15,137 --> 01:24:17,574 three guitar players to come to an agreement, 1850 01:24:17,922 --> 01:24:21,273 you know, and these guys can do that. 1851 01:24:24,885 --> 01:24:26,452 My whole deal is about collaborating 1852 01:24:26,626 --> 01:24:28,063 and working with other people 1853 01:24:28,237 --> 01:24:31,414 and creating something with my pals especially. 1854 01:24:36,984 --> 01:24:38,638 To me, being a musician is a way of life, 1855 01:24:38,812 --> 01:24:40,639 it's like a religion, it's a way of being. 1856 01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:47,473 I never saw it as work. 1857 01:24:47,647 --> 01:24:50,085 To me it was a joy and a delight, every minute. 1858 01:24:50,389 --> 01:24:51,434 And I still feel that way. 1859 01:24:55,046 --> 01:24:56,308 My goal was to play with my heroes, 1860 01:24:56,612 --> 01:24:58,005 that was one of my major goals. 1861 01:24:58,309 --> 01:25:00,050 To meet and play with my heroes. 1862 01:25:00,530 --> 01:25:03,359 And I was amazingly lucky that I got to do that a lot. 1863 01:25:06,710 --> 01:25:08,190 You know, I'm stunningly proud 1864 01:25:08,364 --> 01:25:10,017 to have played with James, Carole, 1865 01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:14,239 stunningly proud to have played with Jackson, Linda, 1866 01:25:14,674 --> 01:25:16,023 you know, I can't believe I got 1867 01:25:16,198 --> 01:25:17,634 to play with all these incredible people. 1868 01:25:18,068 --> 01:25:20,419 ♪ Just to be secure You're never sure ♪ 1869 01:25:20,593 --> 01:25:22,987 ♪ If it's worth it at all ♪ 1870 01:25:25,076 --> 01:25:26,599 I'm 73. 1871 01:25:26,773 --> 01:25:28,340 I think I have pretty much the same feeling I did 1872 01:25:28,514 --> 01:25:29,776 when I was a kid, in the love of it 1873 01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:30,907 and the joy of it. 1874 01:25:38,133 --> 01:25:39,482 Thirsty, boys? 1875 01:25:40,047 --> 01:25:41,701 Well, we lived in an apartment, so we could never have a dog. 1876 01:25:41,875 --> 01:25:43,398 It's kind of like having bacon in the house, 1877 01:25:43,573 --> 01:25:45,139 couldn't have that either. 1878 01:25:46,184 --> 01:25:47,707 We found this place, 'cause our horses 1879 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,621 need some room, our dogs need some room, 1880 01:25:49,796 --> 01:25:51,450 and we got two of everything here. 1881 01:25:51,624 --> 01:25:54,888 We got two dogs, two horses, and two chickens. 1882 01:25:55,062 --> 01:25:56,193 Rhoda, Arya... 1883 01:25:56,368 --> 01:25:57,587 We got the best eggs in town. 1884 01:25:57,848 --> 01:25:59,415 ...you've earned another night's stay. 1885 01:26:02,853 --> 01:26:04,768 I'd like to make it very clear that I'm a man 1886 01:26:04,942 --> 01:26:06,117 of the great indoors. 1887 01:26:06,813 --> 01:26:09,164 I could stay in the studio all day. 1888 01:26:10,077 --> 01:26:11,253 It's all about learning. 1889 01:26:11,818 --> 01:26:14,299 I mean, every day, I'll hear something 1890 01:26:14,473 --> 01:26:16,780 and finally, I'll figure out the way a chord 1891 01:26:16,954 --> 01:26:18,085 is supposed to sound 1892 01:26:18,260 --> 01:26:19,609 you know, or something on a record 1893 01:26:20,087 --> 01:26:22,351 that I've been doing wrong for 40 years. 1894 01:26:22,742 --> 01:26:24,091 And I'll go to sleep that night going, 1895 01:26:24,266 --> 01:26:25,832 "I got it right finally," you know? 1896 01:26:26,572 --> 01:26:28,052 Have a wife who loves me. 1897 01:26:28,443 --> 01:26:31,273 I've got animals. I've got a pretty cool house. 1898 01:26:31,621 --> 01:26:34,406 I can pay rent. I can pay my monthly bills. 1899 01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:37,103 I've got a band full of brothers that love me. 1900 01:26:37,975 --> 01:26:40,585 And I'm proud of all of it. 1901 01:26:44,851 --> 01:26:47,898 The thing I think is wonderful is, you know, 1902 01:26:48,072 --> 01:26:50,422 I've been doing it now, 51 years 1903 01:26:51,075 --> 01:26:53,599 and I never tire of it. 1904 01:26:53,860 --> 01:26:55,601 You know, when that phone rings, 1905 01:26:55,775 --> 01:26:57,473 I'm like a kid in a candy store. 1906 01:26:57,647 --> 01:26:59,562 I can't wait to go to work, either in the studio 1907 01:26:59,736 --> 01:27:01,346 Or on tour. 1908 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,130 It just-- There's an exhilaration 1909 01:27:03,305 --> 01:27:04,958 and an excitement that happens 1910 01:27:05,132 --> 01:27:09,659 when you're in that environment that it's impossible to explain 1911 01:27:09,833 --> 01:27:11,878 to people if they haven't experienced it. 1912 01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:15,055 I'd love to be some just old relic up there, 1913 01:27:15,230 --> 01:27:17,188 just, tur-- you know, making people happy. 1914 01:27:19,625 --> 01:27:23,325 ♪ Just a song before I go ♪ 1915 01:27:23,889 --> 01:27:27,111 ♪ To whom it may concern ♪ 1916 01:27:28,982 --> 01:27:31,463 If I have one regret from everything, 1917 01:27:31,637 --> 01:27:34,510 all the opportunity that I've had in my career, 1918 01:27:34,901 --> 01:27:37,252 it's that I didn't get to spend enough time at home, 1919 01:27:38,035 --> 01:27:39,384 with any of my kids. 1920 01:27:39,558 --> 01:27:41,212 ♪ When the shows were over ♪ 1921 01:27:41,647 --> 01:27:44,998 ♪ We had to get back home ♪ 1922 01:27:45,260 --> 01:27:46,696 And you pay for it. 1923 01:27:47,478 --> 01:27:51,309 You know, you do your best to make up the time, 1924 01:27:51,701 --> 01:27:53,833 but you don't get those moments back. 1925 01:27:55,879 --> 01:27:58,969 My goals now are just to be consistent 1926 01:27:59,143 --> 01:28:02,929 and to spend as much time at home as I spend away. 1927 01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:06,629 That's one of the great things about having this band, 1928 01:28:06,803 --> 01:28:07,847 The Immediate Family, right now, 1929 01:28:08,021 --> 01:28:09,284 is that we have an opportunity 1930 01:28:09,458 --> 01:28:10,675 kind of just to do that. 1931 01:28:14,027 --> 01:28:17,117 Most of our careers were being on the back line 1932 01:28:17,291 --> 01:28:18,902 supporting other artists. 1933 01:28:19,206 --> 01:28:22,166 This was an opportunity for us to do something that was ours. 1934 01:28:30,043 --> 01:28:31,436 I love the shit out of that now. 1935 01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:33,046 - Yeah. It's fucking cool. 1936 01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:40,271 I feel like the luckiest guy in the world 1937 01:28:40,445 --> 01:28:42,621 that I'm still able to play, 1938 01:28:42,795 --> 01:28:44,710 not just play, but play with these, 1939 01:28:44,884 --> 01:28:46,233 you know, with my best friends. 1940 01:28:47,757 --> 01:28:49,715 So, that's what motivates me to keep going, 1941 01:28:49,889 --> 01:28:51,500 is the idea that I can express myself 1942 01:28:51,674 --> 01:28:54,285 in The Immediate Family, in that band. 1943 01:29:05,818 --> 01:29:07,559 When you look back in hindsight, 1944 01:29:07,733 --> 01:29:09,431 people ask me that a lot. 1945 01:29:09,605 --> 01:29:12,869 "Did you know that those songs were gonna be so important 1946 01:29:13,043 --> 01:29:14,871 or those records were gonna be so big?" 1947 01:29:15,045 --> 01:29:16,394 And I didn't know then. 1948 01:29:16,568 --> 01:29:18,222 You know, I was just happy to be there. 1949 01:29:24,010 --> 01:29:27,797 I can look at a song I played in 1973, 1950 01:29:28,537 --> 01:29:30,365 today and go, 1951 01:29:30,539 --> 01:29:32,628 "I wouldn't play that song that way today." 1952 01:29:33,019 --> 01:29:36,022 But in 1973, that was exactly how I was playing. 1953 01:29:36,196 --> 01:29:37,502 And that's what I did. 1954 01:29:37,675 --> 01:29:39,504 I would just move on to what's now. 1955 01:29:43,943 --> 01:29:47,599 I had no idea that we'd be in a band at this point. 1956 01:29:47,773 --> 01:29:49,558 I had no idea that I'd still be able to play 1957 01:29:49,732 --> 01:29:52,474 at 72 or would even want to. 1958 01:29:55,477 --> 01:29:57,174 I don't think you retire from this business. 1959 01:29:57,348 --> 01:30:01,091 I just don't know anybody who's happily retired 1960 01:30:01,264 --> 01:30:02,440 from music business. 1961 01:30:08,925 --> 01:30:11,057 I didn't think too much about the first hurrah, 1962 01:30:11,362 --> 01:30:13,277 so I definitely don't think too much about the last hurrah. 1963 01:30:16,585 --> 01:30:18,325 To me, it's all hurrah. 1964 01:30:18,587 --> 01:30:19,849 All the way down the line. 1965 01:30:22,591 --> 01:30:24,027 You should strive to do something 1966 01:30:24,201 --> 01:30:25,550 that makes you happy. 1967 01:30:25,724 --> 01:30:28,510 That's so important to the human psyche, 1968 01:30:28,901 --> 01:30:31,425 that what your work is, it inspires you 1969 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:32,731 and makes you happy. 1970 01:30:33,471 --> 01:30:35,038 But this is our band, 1971 01:30:35,212 --> 01:30:38,520 and we're doing now, what we wanted to do forever. 1972 01:30:47,659 --> 01:30:50,270 Russ said to me at one point, 1973 01:30:51,010 --> 01:30:52,447 just as a friend, he said, like, 1974 01:30:52,621 --> 01:30:54,405 "Whenever you do make your record, you know, 1975 01:30:54,579 --> 01:30:56,276 don't forget, I want to play with you." 1976 01:30:57,103 --> 01:30:58,583 And that meant the world. 1977 01:30:59,628 --> 01:31:02,195 Our musical life, and he does every album 1978 01:31:02,369 --> 01:31:04,546 he's ever done with me, so it's like, you know, 1979 01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:06,025 we collaborate, 1980 01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:09,115 and I can't really imagine, you know, 1981 01:31:09,725 --> 01:31:11,943 I can't imagine my life without him. 1982 01:31:12,205 --> 01:31:15,731 And all I can express is admiration for these guys. 1983 01:31:16,035 --> 01:31:17,559 I feel really lucky 1984 01:31:17,733 --> 01:31:21,344 that they've played with me at all, over the years. 1985 01:31:22,085 --> 01:31:24,696 All I know is as soon as I encountered 'em, I wanted 'em. 1986 01:31:25,262 --> 01:31:26,742 They were better players than everybody else. 1987 01:31:26,916 --> 01:31:28,004 That's the way it happened. 1988 01:31:28,264 --> 01:31:29,788 I can't overemphasize the importance 1989 01:31:29,962 --> 01:31:32,050 of the role that Danny played in my solo career. 1990 01:31:32,225 --> 01:31:35,794 I mean, again, I'd never planned on having a solo career. 1991 01:31:35,968 --> 01:31:36,882 I didn't... 1992 01:31:38,275 --> 01:31:39,929 feel like a solo act. 1993 01:31:40,451 --> 01:31:44,673 And he coaxed me, and encouraged me, and pushed me 1994 01:31:44,847 --> 01:31:46,326 in that direction and gathered 1995 01:31:46,718 --> 01:31:48,764 all these great musicians around me who were supportive. 1996 01:31:49,068 --> 01:31:50,983 And... 1997 01:31:51,853 --> 01:31:53,594 ...you know, as the years go by, 1998 01:31:53,769 --> 01:31:56,511 I look back on it, and I'm more and more appreciative 1999 01:31:56,815 --> 01:31:58,687 of the contribution that he made. 2000 01:31:59,862 --> 01:32:00,732 And so... 2001 01:32:01,864 --> 01:32:03,822 that's why so many people wanted to work with him. 2002 01:32:18,924 --> 01:32:21,884 Well... ...that's a tricky question. 2003 01:32:22,318 --> 01:32:25,017 I mean, my mom died when I was six years old, 2004 01:32:25,191 --> 01:32:27,411 right after the guitar incident. 2005 01:32:27,585 --> 01:32:30,414 She pretty much was out of commission 2006 01:32:30,588 --> 01:32:32,503 for about a year and she died when I was six. 2007 01:32:32,677 --> 01:32:36,028 And so, family to me, means my dad and my brother 2008 01:32:36,202 --> 01:32:38,943 and the three of us arguing our way through life, you know, 2009 01:32:39,118 --> 01:32:43,209 and that was family until I met these guys, really. 2010 01:32:45,821 --> 01:32:47,474 The word "family" means commitment, 2011 01:32:47,823 --> 01:32:49,781 it means priority, 2012 01:32:50,477 --> 01:32:52,827 you know and of course, all the other things, love. 2013 01:32:54,133 --> 01:33:00,183 ♪ How I wish I could But you were so far away ♪ 2014 01:33:00,879 --> 01:33:03,273 You know, there is something, you know, 2015 01:33:03,447 --> 01:33:06,189 you can't get, you know, any other way 2016 01:33:06,362 --> 01:33:08,887 than just playing together 2017 01:33:09,061 --> 01:33:11,716 and enjoying each other's company. 2018 01:33:11,977 --> 01:33:14,850 ♪ Can't say much Of anything that's new ♪ 2019 01:33:16,678 --> 01:33:18,070 We were each other's only resource. 2020 01:33:18,244 --> 01:33:20,029 We had to be friends with each other. 2021 01:33:20,769 --> 01:33:24,032 These were the only people we knew. 2022 01:33:24,294 --> 01:33:29,734 ♪ I'd rather spend it Being close to you ♪ 2023 01:33:31,344 --> 01:33:34,478 I'm basically looking at three other guys 2024 01:33:34,652 --> 01:33:37,263 that I've been on a stage with for 50 years, 2025 01:33:37,786 --> 01:33:41,572 and loving every moment of being with them. 2026 01:33:42,181 --> 01:33:45,358 I could get a hipper, younger people. 2027 01:33:47,143 --> 01:33:50,059 - In this hotel. - Yeah. 2028 01:33:50,842 --> 01:33:52,844 To play this stuff, you know-- 2029 01:33:53,323 --> 01:33:57,066 But these are the people that play it best, 2030 01:33:57,457 --> 01:33:59,721 and these are my best friends and... 2031 01:34:01,418 --> 01:34:03,638 and so, I don't need anybody else. 2032 01:34:05,814 --> 01:34:06,858 Hey, dude. 2033 01:34:10,993 --> 01:34:15,432 ♪ Nothing else to do But close my mind ♪ 2034 01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:17,521 Announcer 3: Put your hands together 2035 01:34:17,695 --> 01:34:19,436 and welcome to the stage, The Immediate Family! 2036 01:34:21,612 --> 01:34:23,614 - Once in a lifetime. - Yeah, it truly is. 2037 01:34:23,788 --> 01:34:25,181 A golden age. 2038 01:34:25,529 --> 01:34:26,748 Yeah, yeah. Okay, that's a wrap. 2039 01:34:26,922 --> 01:34:28,010 You're on speaker. 2040 01:34:29,751 --> 01:34:30,795 Thanks so much. 2041 01:34:41,197 --> 01:34:48,117 ♪ So take, take me home ♪ 2042 01:34:48,900 --> 01:34:55,820 ♪ 'Cause I don't remember Take, take me home ♪ 2043 01:34:56,907 --> 01:35:03,567 ♪ 'Cause I don't remember Take, take me home ♪ 2044 01:35:03,741 --> 01:35:05,700 ♪ Oh, Lord ♪ 2045 01:35:06,570 --> 01:35:10,443 ♪ Well I've been a prisoner All my life ♪ 2046 01:35:11,139 --> 01:35:12,663 ♪ And I can say to you ♪ 2047 01:35:13,142 --> 01:35:14,796 ♪ In the middle of the night ♪ 2048 01:35:14,969 --> 01:35:16,449 ♪ Middle of the might ♪ 2049 01:35:17,362 --> 01:35:18,495 - ♪ I go walking in my sleep ♪ - ♪ I go walking in my sleep ♪ 2050 01:35:18,669 --> 01:35:20,018 ♪ From the mountains of faith ♪ 2051 01:35:20,192 --> 01:35:21,585 ♪ Mountains of faith ♪ 2052 01:35:22,281 --> 01:35:23,718 - ♪ To the river so deep ♪ - ♪ River so deep ♪ 2053 01:35:23,892 --> 01:35:25,415 ♪ I must be looking for something ♪ 2054 01:35:25,589 --> 01:35:27,025 ♪ Looking for something ♪ 2055 01:35:27,764 --> 01:35:29,636 - ♪ Something sacred I lost ♪ - ♪ Sacred I lost ♪ 2056 01:35:29,811 --> 01:35:31,769 - ♪ But the river is wide ♪ - ♪ Oh, it's wide ♪ 2057 01:35:31,943 --> 01:35:33,510 ♪ And it's too hard to cross ♪ 2058 01:35:33,684 --> 01:35:35,425 ♪ Too hard to cross ♪ 2059 01:35:36,034 --> 01:35:37,949 ♪ Even though I know The river is wide ♪ 2060 01:35:38,123 --> 01:35:40,865 ♪ I walk down every evening And I stand on the shore ♪ 2061 01:35:41,257 --> 01:35:43,128 ♪ I try to cross To the opposite side ♪ 2062 01:35:43,302 --> 01:35:46,218 ♪ So I can finally find What I've been looking for ♪ 2063 01:35:46,392 --> 01:35:48,264 ♪ In the middle of the night ♪ 2064 01:35:48,438 --> 01:35:49,787 ♪ Middle of the night ♪ 2065 01:35:50,832 --> 01:35:51,920 - ♪ I go walking in my sleep ♪ - ♪ I go walking in my sleep ♪ 2066 01:35:52,094 --> 01:35:53,269 ♪ Through the valley of fear ♪ 2067 01:35:53,443 --> 01:35:54,879 ♪ Valley of fear ♪ 2068 01:35:55,053 --> 01:35:58,753 - Look, it's me. It's me! 2069 01:35:59,841 --> 01:36:02,191 Santa, I am begging of you this year, 2070 01:36:02,365 --> 01:36:06,195 please would you get three guitar tuners? 2071 01:36:06,369 --> 01:36:07,674 I know you're gonna do the good thing, 2072 01:36:07,849 --> 01:36:09,111 because I've been a good boy. 2073 01:36:09,371 --> 01:36:10,764 You've got your helpers here like I do. 2074 01:36:10,939 --> 01:36:13,855 I see Postale, I see Kootch. I see Waddy. 2075 01:36:14,202 --> 01:36:16,031 There's Russell up there. It's fantastic. 2076 01:36:16,205 --> 01:36:17,946 Watch the diet there. You're getting a little funky. 2077 01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,643 Okay, too much pizza. 2078 01:36:21,776 --> 01:36:28,434 ♪ Oh, what a lonely boy Oh, what a lonely boy ♪ 2079 01:36:57,768 --> 01:36:59,161 ♪ Goodbye Mama ♪ 2080 01:37:00,858 --> 01:37:04,427 ♪ Even roses got excited ♪ 2081 01:37:04,601 --> 01:37:08,300 ♪ When he saw the promise land ♪ 2082 01:37:08,561 --> 01:37:10,693 - ♪ That's right ♪ - ♪ You're not from Texas ♪ 2083 01:37:10,868 --> 01:37:12,739 - ♪ That's right ♪ - ♪ You're not from Texas ♪ 2084 01:37:12,914 --> 01:37:14,306 - ♪ That's right ♪ - ♪ You're not from Texas ♪ 2085 01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:16,395 ♪ But Texas wants you anyway ♪ 2086 01:37:16,568 --> 01:37:18,441 - ♪ That's right ♪ - ♪ You're not from Texas ♪ 2087 01:37:18,615 --> 01:37:20,486 - ♪ That's right ♪ - ♪ You're not from Texas ♪ 2088 01:37:20,660 --> 01:37:21,791 - ♪ That's right ♪ - ♪ You're not from Texas ♪ 2089 01:37:21,966 --> 01:37:23,576 ♪ But Texas wants you anyway ♪ 2090 01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:26,884 ♪ I was, I was born And raised in Texas ♪ 2091 01:37:27,058 --> 01:37:30,670 ♪ And it means so much to me ♪ 2092 01:37:30,844 --> 01:37:34,587 ♪ Though my girl comes From down in Georgia ♪ 2093 01:37:34,761 --> 01:37:38,374 ♪ We were up, up in Tennessee ♪ 2094 01:37:38,548 --> 01:37:42,030 ♪ And as we were driving Down the highway ♪ 2095 01:37:42,204 --> 01:37:44,597 ♪ She asked me, baby ♪ 2096 01:37:44,771 --> 01:37:48,818 ♪ What's so great How come you're always... ♪ 2097 01:38:05,923 --> 01:38:10,623 ♪ As I bask in the glow Of a just-lit fire ♪ 2098 01:38:11,059 --> 01:38:15,019 ♪ Feeling the warmth As the flame grows higher ♪ 2099 01:38:15,324 --> 01:38:19,458 ♪ I think it's true That nothing is really new ♪ 2100 01:38:19,632 --> 01:38:22,112 ♪ Under the sun ♪ 2101 01:38:22,548 --> 01:38:28,119 ♪ Watching a new love grow From old love's embers ♪ 2102 01:38:28,293 --> 01:38:32,384 ♪ Yesterday's gone But today remembers ♪ 2103 01:38:32,558 --> 01:38:35,822 ♪ Doesn't it seem To come down the same ♪ 2104 01:38:35,996 --> 01:38:38,651 ♪ For everyone ♪ 2105 01:38:40,044 --> 01:38:44,048 ♪ Only love is real ♪ 2106 01:38:45,397 --> 01:38:48,574 ♪ Everything else illusion ♪ 2107 01:38:49,749 --> 01:38:52,535 ♪ Adding to the confusion ♪ 2108 01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:57,844 ♪ Of the way we connive At being alive ♪ 2109 01:39:07,202 --> 01:39:09,378 ♪ You can walk across The water ♪ 2110 01:39:10,379 --> 01:39:13,077 ♪ You can swim across the sea ♪ 2111 01:39:13,817 --> 01:39:16,210 ♪ But there ain't no Buried treasures ♪ 2112 01:39:16,385 --> 01:39:18,865 ♪ And there's no plan B ♪ 2113 01:39:19,996 --> 01:39:22,391 ♪ And you're gonna climb A mountain ♪ 2114 01:39:23,174 --> 01:39:25,698 ♪ If you're not afraid to fall ♪ 2115 01:39:26,656 --> 01:39:31,094 ♪ It's about sticking it out It's about giving your all ♪ 2116 01:39:31,748 --> 01:39:34,490 ♪ You gotta have Skin in the game ♪ 2117 01:39:35,317 --> 01:39:38,014 ♪ Gotta have skin in the game ♪ 2118 01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,800 ♪ You got some ice In your veins ♪ 2119 01:39:41,323 --> 01:39:43,889 ♪ You gotta have Skin in the game ♪ 2120 01:39:44,369 --> 01:39:46,197 ♪ It's more than the money ♪ 2121 01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:49,592 ♪ It's more than the fame ♪ 2122 01:39:50,897 --> 01:39:53,465 ♪ You gotta stay close To the flame ♪ 2123 01:39:54,075 --> 01:39:56,642 ♪ You gotta have Skin in the game ♪ 168198

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