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A huge underground bunker became home
to international criminal businesses.
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Six hundred and fifty police officers
were deployed,
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including special tactical units.
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Target 200 meters ahead.
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The main suspect is a 59-year-old man
from the Netherlands.
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Go, go, go. Team one advancing.
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No one.
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Advancing.
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Team one has reached lower floor.
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Team one, come in, please.
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Radio connection is bad.
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I am sure that people like me will have
a big impact on the future internet.
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The problem, however,
is whether humanity is ready.
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Do you want to make the world
a better place?
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Yes, of course.
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Next question, please.
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Do you see yourself as a criminal?
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No, not really.
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A data center exclusively
for criminal businesses worth millions.
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At the center of this thriller is a bunker
that once belonged to the Bundeswehr.
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In the middle of Germany,
near Traben-Trarbach on the Moselle,
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the cybercriminals operated
their international business.
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An extraordinary blow against cybercrime.
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Drugs and forged documents.
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I'm Michiel
and I was the manager of Cyberbunker.
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If I was to go back there now,
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to right before the first visit
to Traben-Trarbach,
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then I would have said
don't go there, because...
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it can't end well.
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Life in Traben-Trarbach
is usually peaceful.
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We don't have the hustle
and bustle of a big city.
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It's quite soothing for the soul.
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But if I were
to be asked about the bunker,
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what it is,
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I would have just said,
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"It's the worst thing
that could possibly happen here."
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The bunker everyone is talking about
is located on a mountain.
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You can see an antenna, a fence,
and nothing else.
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A green site.
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From 2012, the bunker was empty.
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And a buyer was then sought.
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Until the news came in 2013
it had been sold.
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As a local journalist,
of course you want to know.
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Who's the buyer
and what do they want to do with it?
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I did some research
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and it turned out that he was a somewhat
dubious character in the online world.
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The name I was given
was Herman Johan Xennt.
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There were many stories swirling
around him.
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He had very long, blond hair.
He always wore a long coat.
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But he showed up here as a businessman.
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In 2013,
during a regular city council meeting,
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Xennt presented his project.
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He explained that he needed a bunker...
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BUNKER FLOOR PLAN
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...that he was Dutch,
and had done this before.
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"We need the rooms for our employees,
for the IT people."
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"And it'll grow over time."
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He then created what we now call
a cloud, or a data center, there.
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And at the time, of course,
we thought it sounded exciting.
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Silicon Valley, Traben-Trarbach, exactly.
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Only smaller, why not?
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PURCHASE CONTRACT
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But there wasn't jubilation in the council
that a buyer had been found.
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As the city council,
we couldn't prevent it anyway.
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There were mixed feelings about it.
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You just heard trucks
going in and out at night.
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He had to get his equipment
into the bunker somehow, of course.
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But initially it was sort of intangible.
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There was also
a bit of Googling done in city hall.
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Who is this guy?
Where did he come from?
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And there was
some information already out there.
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He already had skeletons in his closet.
There was something there.
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I'm Jörg Angerer,
Senior Public Prosecutor,
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and I worked on the Cyberbunker case.
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In 2013, I was called
by the Office of Criminal Investigation
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who told me
that Traben-Trarbach's municipal mayor
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had got in touch to say
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that someone wanted to move
into a former NATO bunker
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that was being sold,
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and that he had already been involved
in shady business in Holland.
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That was the initial tip.
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I'm Tim Henkel.
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I'm a cybercrime investigator
for Rhineland-Pfalz Criminal Police.
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I'd just completed training and was
taking my first steps as a police officer.
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It all started in 2013.
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My supervisor back then informed me
that there was a case there
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and asked me if I'd be interested
in taking part in this operation,
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which I thought was extremely exciting
and I was very excited, of course.
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We first conducted
online investigations into this Dutchman,
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into his past,
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and first did some research
into who we were dealing with.
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Well, this is the bunker.
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If you come in with me quickly,
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then I can also show you the inside.
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So, this is the rear entrance.
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You can see the spacious entrance
with two diesel air vent filters.
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He had this fascination for bunkers.
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So, I think if this videotape
continues as it is,
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bad bits like this shot will be cut out.
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We'll only keep the good bits
and then you'll see
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the progress of the renovation
of a bunker, a small nuclear bunker
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into a bunker with a...
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classy appearance,
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which makes you think
you're in a space station or something.
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So, there you have it.
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You're welcome to keep looking around.
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See, there it is, and it works too.
Follow me.
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We believed that Xennt fled
the Netherlands
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to evade the threat of prosecution there.
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At that time it was clear to us
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he was doing the same thing here
as he'd done in the Netherlands.
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That was the start of our investigation.
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At the start we used classic observation
in order to gain insights.
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I don't believe
that the group were explicitly aware
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that investigations against them
were underway.
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I'm just trying to think
of the best adjective to describe it.
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The observation at the bunker site
was not successful.
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We were not sure
exactly what was in the bunker.
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The facility is huge
and we couldn't get to it.
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The people who came to Cyberbunker
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were searching for something.
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There was a sort of world there,
that you could only imagine
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if you let your imagination run wild
and read about something like it.
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But it was there, it was real.
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Xennt gave you a sense that
something special was being built there.
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He had this aura of a visionary,
his ideas were good.
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He wanted to start
a software development center.
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This is a huge project going on here.
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It's really big.
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A bit like a mini Silicon Valley.
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You feel like you're locked in.
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That's when you experience this silence.
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And then you immediately also realize
that true silence doesn't exist.
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Because you hear your blood rushing.
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You felt very secure there,
very comfortable.
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Work was good, living was good,
I felt very at home.
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Most of the time everything was relaxed,
there was laughter, joking around.
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It was as though everyone had
their own vision, their own idea,
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and then joined together.
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Mr. Xennt had an appointment
and came into the salon.
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He looked very fresh, very young.
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He looked good.
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Maybe it was his leather coat
but I thought...
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he's from another planet.
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He's different.
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Then he chose
a very light blond, a cool blond,
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and that's what he got.
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He was silent and stared at the floor.
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And I felt that it was a negative silence
and was actually very happy
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when this gentleman left.
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The bunker crew, sometimes it felt
as if a pirate ship was docking here,
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the whole pirate crew ran through
the village, amusing themselves,
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then were suddenly gone again
and casted off.
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You just wondered,
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what's going on up there?
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You didn't know who was up there.
What is he actually doing?
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You didn't hear or see anything,
or know what was going on.
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But there were rumors.
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Maybe he's growing
some kind of drugs up there?
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The other thing was his dogs,
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which ran free all day long
and annoyed the community.
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That was the final straw for me,
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so I said no matter what,
I'm calling Mr. Xennt.
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He was surprised, but he said,
"No problem, come on over."
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He said, "Give me 15 minutes
to rein the dogs in,
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but then come on over. No problem."
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That was a positive starting point.
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We went up there.
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Mr. Xennt greeted us quite normally,
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the atmosphere was very open.
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Then he told us who he is,
what he does.
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We said you can look around
anywhere you want.
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Everything was open.
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Then we just went down level by level,
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and he said,
"Open every door, I have nothing to hide."
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I was relieved that the premises
weren't being used for anything suspicious
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and that we didn't find a hemp plantation.
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And suddenly you came
into a room that was really black.
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Very cold, very austere.
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It was definitely a bit strange.
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What struck you immediately
was that there were no windows, of course.
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You're practically floating
in time and space.
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It was a very different atmosphere
in there.
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Yeah, very unusual for me.
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Of course, it wouldn't have helped if we'd
rung Cyberbunker's doorbell and asked,
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"Mr. Xennt, can you show us
what's here and what you're up to?"
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That is where protecting the case
comes first and takes priority.
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For us, it was very important
to stay out of sight
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and ensure they didn't realize
we were conducting an investigation.
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Telephone surveillance
is a very intensive measure.
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You enter the other person's
day-to-day life.
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The group is very secretive,
and of course, we had to find ways
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to get information from the inner circle.
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The Cyberbunker group spoke
in a very coded way.
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For example, "boxes of oranges"
or various types of furniture.
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It was colors of ships,
it was suits of various changing colors.
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So, when people make
these kinds of phone calls,
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it's clear something is up.
That's not how people talk.
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The codification of language
and terminology
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which was revealed
through the telephone surveillance,
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created big problems for us.
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Ultimately, we couldn't identify crimes
through telephone surveillance,
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but the gang's structure became clear.
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It started with the leadership team
around Xennt and the manager Rugers.
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Then there were IT workers
who worked in the bunker.
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There was a guard,
who also cooked for the staff.
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It was clear that Mr. Xennt gave orders
and others did what he said,
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but the role of the others
wasn't 100% clear at the beginning.
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However, for us, the key was the servers.
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What is on these servers?
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What data is going in and out of there?
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With Cyberbunker, the advantage
was that cybercriminals felt safe.
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When you went onto Cyberbunker,
it was pretty clear what it was for.
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It had a picture of a bunker.
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Which I assumed was total bull,
if I'm honest, I didn't think it was real.
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There was an FBI raid team on it,
trying to get into that bunker.
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Cyberbunker was known in the scene
as a so-called "bulletproof hoster."
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Bulletproof hosting,
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that means, no matter what happens,
the servers stay online.
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Cyberbunker was really the place to go
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for anyone in the scene
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who wanted to host questionable
or illegal content.
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The bunker specifically advertised
that it hosts everything,
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except child pornography and terrorism.
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This made you think,
whoever advertises in that way
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isn't looking for legal customers.
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Xennt always said we're doing
nothing wrong, everything is legal.
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POLICE
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SPAM DISPUTE SLOWS THE INTERNET
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PIRATE PARTY
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Police in Barcelona have arrested
a 35-year-old Dutch activist
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who was responsible for
the largest DDoS cyberattack in history.
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The investigation started in March...
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We also then reached a point
where we said,
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"Okay, how can
we gather more intelligence now?"
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In 2017, we decided to carry out
a so-called network node monitoring.
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This means we recorded the data center's
incoming and outgoing data traffic.
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If crimes were committed there,
they'd show up in the network traffic.
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The intention of the surveillance
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was to see
what was being done in the bunker.
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What data was going in and out?
What was illegal and what wasn't?
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We didn't expect the sheer quantity
that we got from our surveillance.
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We established that
on the Cyberbunker servers,
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phishing sites were hosted,
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large-scale hacker attacks were committed,
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narcotics stores were running.
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It was the first
really effective investigation.
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We had clear results, clear sites.
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Really potent criminal sites.
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None of these criminals
could operate their sites,
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if they didn't have a hoster
to provide servers for them to do so.
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You have to realize that there
are always real crimes behind it.
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We determined that, for example,
Wall Street Market was hosted there,
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the largest darknet market at the time
for drugs, weapons, other illegal goods.
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I'm Martin Frost.
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I was one of the operators
of Wall Street Market.
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This marketplace was one
of the largest in the world.
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In my opinion, Cyberbunker offered
a very professional hosting service,
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to an extent, even better
than what I see in the legal sphere.
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For us, that was pretty much the reason
we went there and stayed.
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On Wall Street Market,
you found pretty much anything.
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Starting with marijuana
to MDMA, cocaine or heroin.
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The fact that you're far removed
from all these events,
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from the production process,
dealing and things on the streets,
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you're really far away from it.
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You're just sitting at your computer.
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At first you don't see organized crime,
they operate in a different way.
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I do believe though that in recent years
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organized crime
has also increasingly caught on. "Hey."
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"These are new distribution channels."
And of course, they use them too.
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Then suddenly a whole new name
appeared in the telephone surveillance.
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What's that, Mädchen?
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When a person like George Mitchell
shows up in a preliminary investigation,
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someone with ties to the Irish mafia,
who's also linked to homicides there,
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who is synonymous with major drugs
and arms trafficking,
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that, of course, changes the dynamics
of the case a lot.
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So, if we're talking about
the drug section on Wall Street Market,
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there was everything
that the market had to offer.
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From grass to MDMA, cocaine,
and also, fentanyl, for example.
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The servers are secure.
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They have a "no matter what" service.
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I was never afraid
the authorities would catch us.
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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,000
We were often contacted
during the investigative process,
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including by internationally
operating agencies in the USA.
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It certainly helps
the investigation process
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when high-profile players,
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like Wall Street Market,
are hosted in the data center.
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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,276
Our approach to the investigation process
was to operate with lasting effect.
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00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:17,000
That doesn't mean achieving quick success
by shutting down some narcotics store,
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but to take this Cyberbunker offline
permanently and to do it with evidence.
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00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,920
But how do we gain access
to these servers?
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How do we get into this bunker?
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On the Cyberbunker website,
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there was a special page,
a volunteer program...
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...where Cyberbunker
was searching for people
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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,040
who would join the Cyberbunker team
on a voluntary basis.
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We needed really good people.
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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,396
Someone responded to the ad.
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Harry was a really great guy.
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01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:20,920
Young, really nice, spontaneous,
friendly and decent too.
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01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,920
He said he'd like...
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01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,636
to do something,
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if possible, such as gardening.
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That was interesting to Xennt...
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...because Harry didn't want to get paid.
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He just asked if he could sleep there.
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01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,280
And for Xennt, that was ideal, of course.
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I think everyone liked him.
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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,240
So, you could almost call it friendship.
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He couldn't though.
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01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,640
Not this pig anyway.
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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,160
I certainly think it's careless
to openly post job ads
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for a criminal bunker.
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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,360
That's how we got a man
into the compound itself.
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01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,920
Of course, he has to generate empathy,
he has to be able to build trust
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01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,040
and that only works if he's
approachable and he acts interested.
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01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:10,680
It was always nice.
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01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,520
Harry slowly became part of the family.
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01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,320
The undercover investigator
provided us with valuable information.
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01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:26,796
For the first time,
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01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,920
we were able to precisely identify
who held which role in Cyberbunker.
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01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,480
Who was in charge,
what the dynamics were like.
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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,680
The majority of them also lived up there,
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01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,676
were paid a very small salary,
so were practically working for free,
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01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,520
just for food and lodgings but...
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01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,000
they were pretty much failed existences.
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01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,116
Apart from the fact that we weren't paid,
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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,400
there was nothing to complain about,
everything was great.
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01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:27,400
It was really good.
I felt at home there and safe, etc.
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01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,320
Well, purposeful.
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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,760
Although we had already taken many steps,
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01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,480
we had no one
with eyes on the bunker itself.
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01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,680
But we wanted to see behind this door.
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01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,160
It would attract attention
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01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,120
if the undercover agent
went inside the bunker.
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01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,440
That wouldn't fit his cover story
as a gardener.
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01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,680
It just so happened
that we knew someone.
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01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,840
The female undercover investigator's
name was Julia.
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01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,320
Part of the cover story was that Julia
was Harry, the gardener's, girlfriend.
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01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,840
I think we walked through the bunker once,
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01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,240
and explained roughly what had to be done.
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01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,000
She worked, was kind, friendly and warm.
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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,000
I can't remember anything
negative about her whatsoever.
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01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,680
I was somewhat skeptical
and not really in favor of it at first.
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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:18,356
The dangers of sending a woman, alone
into a hermetically sealed bunker facility
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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,640
that can't be accessed from outside,
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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,876
and in which active criminals live,
are pretty obvious, I think.
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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,480
It's not something
you're wild about doing.
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01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,240
She was left to clean
the offices unsupervised.
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01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,596
Every floor, every room
was accessible to her, unsupervised.
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01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,520
She had a key for every room.
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01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:01,880
It was strange, they basically
didn't want any money at all.
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01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,760
And then Xennt said,
"Maybe they're actually just police."
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01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,840
But it was implausible.
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01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,840
Harry had been there
such a long time already.
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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,680
And so it was.
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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,120
EMERGENCY EXIT
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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,720
There were hundreds of photos...
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01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,840
of the bunker, from different rooms.
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01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,920
Various lists of passwords
were photographed.
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01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,756
You could really see where people
had their room, where the servers were,
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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,600
where other equipment was,
how things were secured.
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01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,640
We had the network node
surveillance running,
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01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,520
we had the undercover investigator.
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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,520
We could see inside the bunker.
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01:09:05,480 --> 01:09:07,000
The last piece of the puzzle.
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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,436
We had enough
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01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,760
to give us ideas about how to gain access.
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01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,200
We had to make sure that,
at the time of the arrest,
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01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,720
there was no one in the actual bunker
who could shut down the servers.
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01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,520
That's why it was clear that
the only option would be to use a ruse
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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,600
to lure the perpetrators out of the bunker
and then arrest them outside the bunker.
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01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:39,840
Harry called a restaurant and reserved
a table for September 26th at 6 p.m.
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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,520
For us it was end day, of course.
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01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,840
He really wanted everyone to come,
I still remember that.
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01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,120
You all have to come!
You have to be there. He has to come too!
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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,880
He really did his best
to get everyone to come.
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01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,836
We talked to our undercover investigator,
so that he made sure in advance...
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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:13,196
I'M IN THE CAR
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01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:14,800
...that everyone accepted the invitation.
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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,920
WHO IS THERE?
17:24
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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,120
EVERYONE
17:24
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01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,520
POLICE
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01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:44,560
- Police! Hands up!
- Everyone, hands in the air!
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01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,880
What the...? What's going on?
What's going on here?
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01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,596
Suddenly, there was a racket outside,
there were helicopters flying around.
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01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:04,160
Everyone was chatting on WhatsApp.
Guys, what's going on in Trarbach?
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01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,200
There was a flurry of activity.
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01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:10,000
There was a massive police presence
in the local pub.
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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,320
Night fell, everything was dark.
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01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:55,080
You're moving through a terrain
that you've never entered before.
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01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,720
A bunker is always only secured
from the inside.
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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,760
It makes sense.
396
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,080
But this has the unfortunate side effect
397
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,480
that if you leave the bunker and no one
is inside, it can't be locked.
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01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,320
And that's how it was here too.
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01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,280
- A padlock?
- A padlock, yes.
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01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,120
And the special forces
managed to open that?
401
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,000
We'd have been able to open it.
402
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,240
It's not that hard to crack a padlock.
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01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,400
ACCESS FORBIDDEN
404
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,040
There were a multitude of rooms,
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01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:43,240
arranged in an angular fashion.
It was pretty much a square.
406
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,520
The units moved deeper and deeper
into the bunker...
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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,680
and at some point, on the third level,
ended up in the server room.
408
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,000
You have a rough idea of what
you think it will look like,
409
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,960
but what we found on site
definitely topped that.
410
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,560
At first the amount of data
was overwhelming.
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01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:29,800
The server room was significantly larger
than I expected it to be.
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01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:47,880
There were also a few empty shelves,
so it was obviously set up for growth.
413
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,560
We could only shut down the servers
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01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,120
once the data on them had been backed up.
415
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,800
So, each server had to be backed up
before it could be taken down.
416
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,400
It's amazing, shutting down
something like that.
417
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,120
Then it was game over.
418
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,396
If you take the servers away from
the perpetrators, business is over.
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01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:25,760
THIS SERVER HAS BEEN SEIZED
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01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,080
The sites were down as soon as
the bunker had been taken offline.
421
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,876
In the fight against cybercrime,
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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,156
German investigators have dismantled
a major data center
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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,396
for illegal business on the darknet
for the first time.
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01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:38,800
BLOW AGAINST CYBERCRIME
425
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,716
After almost five years of research,
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01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,000
the investigators achieved
an extraordinary blow against cybercrime.
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01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,240
27. SEPTEMBER 2019
TODAY
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01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,040
All of this ran over 280 servers,
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01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,636
with up to 200 customers on each.
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01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:50,796
DARKNET DATACENTER TAKEN OFFLINE
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01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,440
Through which, amongst other things,
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01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,480
drugs and fake documents
were distributed.
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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:55,600
IN THE BUNKER OF EVIL
434
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,636
A total of 650 police officers
were deployed.
435
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,840
The evaluation of the seized data
436
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:03,036
has only just begun.
437
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,520
Our first impression
is that the scope is enormous.
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01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,160
POLICE PRESS CONFERENCE
ON CYBER-CRIMINAL RING
439
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,960
The bunker in Mont Royal,
says one investigator,
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01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,680
is a real goldmine for them.
441
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,520
53% COMPLETE... 61% COMPLETE
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01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:23,640
In total, two petabytes of data
were secured, so two million gigabytes.
443
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,520
I think the scene
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01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,280
quite underestimated the authorities,
and I did too.
445
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:12,000
The Cyberbunker bust had
an enormous impact on the darknet scene,
446
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,316
on darknet drug trading overall.
447
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,480
The volume of stuff circulating
448
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,840
and the quantity of goods,
which was just a number to me,
449
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,836
were in reality actually drugs
that end up somewhere,
450
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,080
that are produced by people, people who
suffer during the production process.
451
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,040
Just the whole extent of it
452
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,396
only hit me after the arrest,
453
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:37,160
and not straight away,
it took a while.
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01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,280
I regret it all.
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01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:40,280
FBI
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01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,320
OPERATION DISRUPTOR, 2020
457
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,680
2020
TRIER, GERMANY
458
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,640
The trial was a challenge, of course.
459
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:18,360
It was a wide-reaching charge,
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01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,360
it was a technically complex subject.
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01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:23,756
JÜRGEN BRAUER
ATTORNEY GENERAL KOBLENZ
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01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,240
You must first prove the crimes that have
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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,240
been committed from the computer center
by other individuals,
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01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:32,760
and then you have to prove
that the operators of the data center
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01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,280
were aware of, knew about,
and encouraged these acts.
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01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:36,600
SPECIAL VOLUMES
IMPRISONMENT
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01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,520
Herman X. and a few colleagues
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01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,080
have now been declared
a criminal organization.
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01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,400
I was pretty sure
there would be a conviction.
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01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,876
I still consider the investigation
to be watertight,
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01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,200
and I also think
the evidence is watertight.
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01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,200
JUSTICE
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01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:56,720
ENTRANCE
"BUNKER - TRIAL" (PLEASE WAIT HERE)
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01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:41,000
"Aiding and abetting some 250,000 crimes,"
the indictment reads.
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01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,240
So, you just have to note...
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01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,156
MICHAEL EICHIN
MAIN DEFENDANT'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY
477
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,040
...Xennt didn't kill anyone,
didn't rob a bank,
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01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:54,996
didn't steal an old granny's purse.
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01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,640
He supplied a server,
or rather multiple servers.
480
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,640
That's what he's accused of,
running a data center.
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01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,680
As such, he therefore remains convinced
that he's done nothing illegal.
482
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,360
This being seen differently legally,
is just the way the law works.
483
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:13,560
However, in terms of evidence,
the case was completely well-rounded.
484
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,196
Nevertheless,
the Cyberbunker operators deny
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01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,840
knowing about their customers'
illegal darknet activities.
486
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,120
Senior public prosecutor Angerer spent
nearly five years on the investigation.
487
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:04,600
Can he really prove the defendants knew
what criminal services were operating?
488
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,320
Once, at the beginning of a trial day,
489
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:10,116
Xennt turned around
to the other defendants
490
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,640
and held his finger up to his lips.
491
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,400
Probably to order silence.
492
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,840
DARKNET BUNKER: DEFENDANTS REMAIN SILENT
493
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,000
It astonished me
494
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,560
that they didn't testify at all
and preferred to sit in jail.
495
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:36,640
I decided to testify
shortly after I was arrested.
496
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,640
I think that Xennt should have stood up,
497
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,600
he should have explained
498
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,360
what was going on there.
499
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,680
That's why I made these notes,
500
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,000
just writing down
everything I could remember.
501
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:09,160
My whole testimony
took six days of hearings.
502
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:16,120
And I assumed, well,
I knew nothing about any of it,
503
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,480
so I can't get imprisoned for that,
it will probably turn out okay.
504
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:25,240
MANAGER CLAIMS TO NEVER HAVE
SEEN DRUG TRAFFICKING CHARGES
505
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,240
Mr. Rugers, and this was shown
in our interrogations,
506
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:32,440
plays down his role in this entire set
of offenses as being insignificant.
507
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,880
I don't know how Xennt
managed to get these people.
508
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,560
He obviously has some charisma,
people follow him.
509
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,240
Rugers defended him to the end,
even in the main trial.
510
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,720
He acknowledged the offenses, but always
claimed that Xennt is actually a good guy.
511
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,680
That contradicts itself,
that doesn't make sense at all.
512
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,760
Xennt always told me everything,
but the fact he was sending messages
513
01:26:55,880 --> 01:27:01,436
saying that it's okay for marijuana
to be sold through the servers,
514
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,600
he never ever told me that.
515
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,000
So, he apparently left things out
516
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:10,960
and that's why he could rely
on my involvement.
517
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:12,560
For five years.
518
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,316
I can't believe that
the second in command
519
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,036
in the Cyberbunker hierarchy,
520
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,000
actually, didn't know what was going on.
521
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:21,360
I just can't accept that.
522
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,956
In the trial against the operators
of the so-called Cyberbunker
523
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,720
in Traben-Trarbach,
Rhineland-Palatinate,
524
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,320
a verdict has now been reached.
525
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:36,480
The defendants were convicted
of forming a criminal organization,
526
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,440
but not for aiding and abetting
the internet crimes of their customers.
527
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,760
The Dutch citizen and seven co-defendants
528
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,240
will receive prison sentences
of up to five years and nine months.
529
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:49,840
BIG FALL OF AN IT GENIUS
530
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,640
DARKNET BOSS MUST SERVE
ALMOST SIX YEARS IN PRISON
531
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,080
VERDICT IN THE CYBERBUNKER TRIAL
532
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,676
Testing, one, two, three.
Testing, one, two, three.
533
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,000
One, two, three, four, five, six.
Testing, one, two, three.
534
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,160
I can't do it
without looking at the notes.
535
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,440
"My trial was not fair
and so neither was the judgement."
536
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,440
"It hasn't made us guilty
of any crimes at all."
537
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,520
"We had nothing to hide."
538
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,200
"Nothing I could have said
would have mattered."
539
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,360
"I was already convicted
before I was arrested."
540
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,120
"The Chamber had to justify
this long procedure somehow,
541
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,160
so someone had to take responsibility."
542
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:33,240
"I will not be intimidated or obstructed
by the German judiciary,
543
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,520
the press or anyone else."
544
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,316
"I am on the side of all those who have
been deprived their fundamental rights,
545
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,440
their professional and private lives
for the sake of communication."
546
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,240
"I believe privacy
is a fundamental right."
547
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,360
"Everyone has a right to privacy."
548
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:55,200
"The more communication evolves,
549
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,640
the easier it becomes for third parties
to eavesdrop and spy on us."
550
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:04,720
"I am sure people like me will have
a big impact on the future internet."
551
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,800
"The problem, however,
is whether humanity is ready."
552
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:16,800
Next question, please.
553
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:21,960
Do you see yourself as a criminal?
554
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,200
No, not really.
555
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,640
I think he is a criminal,
556
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:37,920
in a different form than someone
who commits murder or another crime,
557
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:42,240
but I don't think he has a problem
with what he did.
558
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,116
Their advert stating no child pornography
or terrorism would be hosted
559
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,080
was fulfilled by the perpetrators,
with regard to terrorism.
560
01:32:54,440 --> 01:32:57,000
We found no terrorism on the servers.
561
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,520
In terms of child pornography,
it's a bit different.
562
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,360
Mr. Kamphuis had a server
563
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:20,400
on which linked child pornography
had been operating.
564
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:21,916
That means I can go through links,
565
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:26,916
so pretty unambiguous links,
like pre-teen, that kind of stuff,
566
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,840
meaning pre-teenager age,
and see the corresponding photos.
567
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:09,036
I'm aware of Mr. Kamphuis' absurd notions
with regard to child pornography.
568
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:10,800
What he overlooks, of course,
569
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,960
is that behind every photo,
every child pornography photo,
570
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,040
is active abuse,
571
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:18,440
the abuse of the child.
572
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:22,920
That's quite different
from a photo of a bank robbery.
573
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,400
In that, news about
a bank robbery is shared.
574
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:30,276
Child pornography images are not shown
to say there's been child pornography.
575
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,916
It's a completely different intention
behind it.
576
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:37,560
And you would have to be pretty sick
to make that comparison.
577
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,760
He wants to live his freedom
and children should suffer for it.
578
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,400
He's not interested in children's freedom.
579
01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:47,996
And that is the problem
with people like him.
580
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,520
They talk about freedom,
when they just mean their own.
581
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:58,600
Do you think that Mr. Kamphuis
will remain free for some time?
582
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:02,920
I don't understand the question.
583
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,520
"In any data center
where there are customer servers,
584
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,440
customers could use their servers
for criminal purposes."
585
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,520
"You don't even notice it."
586
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:25,960
"There is nothing you can do about it."
587
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:30,800
That's simply wrong.
588
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,836
When Mr. Xennt says
he didn't know anything,
589
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:37,760
I not only don't believe him,
but he's lying.
590
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,800
We have email correspondence
591
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,640
in which Mr. Xennt clearly tells customers
592
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,520
about how he protects them
from prosecution.
593
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,240
So, he knew exactly what was going on.
594
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,040
"I have many plans for the future."
595
01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:00,120
"I know that there is no one else
who wants to or can do what I want to do."
596
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,360
"You cannot stop me."
597
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,840
"I will still achieve my goals."
598
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:08,400
"Everything is ready.
I just have to go home."
599
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:15,840
"I want to, and I will eventually, be able
to realize my vision for a better world."
600
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,040
"No one can stop me."
601
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,080
Thank you for the interview.
602
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,560
Traben-Trarbach was in a state of shock,
603
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,440
when all that came to light.
604
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,960
It's something
that stays with you for a while.
605
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,480
Shock, and...
606
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:00,600
horror.
607
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,400
What went on there was huge.
608
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,080
It was a relief in a way.
609
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:12,560
Now it's burst, now the bubble has burst.
610
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:14,720
Now we finally know
what happened up there.
611
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,720
It's good that it came to an end.
612
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:19,600
It was bad enough.
613
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:27,400
It still hurts today to think
of the suffering that was sown with it.
614
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,116
How, in today's world,
it's actually incredibly easy
615
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,200
for someone to do the same thing
in another place,
616
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:39,000
with the same success, success that
has negative consequences on people.
49961
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