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Have a feeling you're about to tell me I'm destined for greater things.
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Police are looking. They need someone like you.
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For what?
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There's a task team looking into
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those killing fields in Mitchell's Plain.
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They need a forensic profiler.
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They don't have profilers in this country.
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You'll be the first.
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"There is no such thing as a person, who, at the age of 35,
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"suddenly changes from perfectly normal to totally evil."
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FBI criminologist, Robert Ressler.
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He's interviewed hundreds of killers in his career.
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So I trust when he says killers are created.
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I should hate the men who do these terrible things.
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But I can't.
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What does that say about me?
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It says you understand them.
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Maybe that can be your superpower - if you let it.
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Here we go.
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Is that the only bottle?
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It's the only decent bottle I've got.
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Thanks for letting me stay, Suze.
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Honestly, I didn't think packing up the house would be so brutal.
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It's not totally awful having you back.
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Are you sure you're going to be OK in the guest room by yourself?
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I've gotten used to it.
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I'm going to check if your room's all set.
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Thank you.
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Are you looking for Loubser
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or just some good old-fashioned witchcraft?
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I'm... I'm looking for Brigadier Brink.
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Petrus Brink at your service.
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Dr Micki Pistorius.
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Ah, you must be the profiler I've been hearing so much about.
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Yeah.
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Not my office.
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It's Colonel Loubser's chamber of horrors.
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Um, let's go next door.
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There's a little bit more fresh air than in this place.
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I heard what you did with the Strangler.
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Caused quite a stir.
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Hm. Maybe not the good kind.
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The guys in the force need a shake-up every now and then.
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Thank you.
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Um. Brigadier, I really appreciate you
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bringing me in on the Strangler case, but I'm...
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Uh... Brixton Unit...
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..discovered a body just over an hour ago
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on the Cleveland mine dumps.
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I've heard of those. It's eight so far, right?
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And there'll be more.
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And the minister's breathing down my neck for an arrest.
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We have 43 leads on this case
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and you get to tell us who the lucky winner is.
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And there's more.
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Delmas Police arrested a young male.
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Goes by the name of Warren Barnes.
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He's white.
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He has connections to a neo-Nazi group.
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Is this hate crimes?
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Uh, he's a right-wing Afrikaner.
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Three black victims.
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The investigation had him cornered, but now he claims that...
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..he cannot remember that he owned up.
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Convenient.
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So, the state will need you to testify about his mental health.
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The full interview, assessment of capacity, all that.
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Wait...
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Sorry, what are we doing here?
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We're moving you wherever you're needed.
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And you will be needed everywhere.
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You must tell me what I can do for you that can make this work.
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A specialised unit would be good.
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A unit?
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Yeah. A dedicated psychology unit.
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Um. A staff...maybe five.
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We could serve all the running cases in the province
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and build it out as the cases come in.
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Now...
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How about one more person to start with?
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Yeah. Um...
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One more would be...better.
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Her name is Erika. She's been briefed.
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She'll meet with you later.
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OK.
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Hey, hey, hey, hey. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Step back.
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Step away, please. You can't be here.
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Captain Micki Pistorius. Brigadier Brink sent me.
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Oh. You from National?
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Investigative Psychology.
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What are they bringing me a psychologist for?
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The brigadier thought it would be good for me
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to get an eye on the scene.
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I have an eye on it. My eye.
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I need to collect evidence for my profile -
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that doesn't need to interfere with what...
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Charles, get this lovely lady off my crime scene, please.
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Sorry. Sergeant. Look. You have a lot to sift through.
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I can help you understand what you're looking for.
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Dead people don't need psychologists.
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Look, I don't mean to be rude,
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but I have no idea at all how you think you can help here.
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Well, I'm here for the ones that are still alive.
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Sarge. I've got to show you something.
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So, she was dumped out here in the open.
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When we turned her over, we found this.
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"She is a beach.
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"And we must stay here as long as you don't understand."
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None of the other bodies had it.
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Some sort of message to us?
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Or to the victim.
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What's that?
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That's just trash. This used to be a landfill site.
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Yeah, or evidence.
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We'll let Forensics decide.
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OK. It's a pad on a crime scene next to a woman's dead body.
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It could have been hers. We could use it to ID her.
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I'm going to bag it anyway, just in case.
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Let's get Forensics down here.
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Clear this fucking body now.
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Yes, sir.
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So, the crime scenes are here, here and here.
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All within walking distance of each other.
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OK. So, he knows the lay of the land.
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The police remove a body, he puts another one in its place.
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He's replenishing the spot.
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He's what?!
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Uh, like he's restocking it.
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He's marking his territory.
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Like a dog pissing on a lamppost. Yeah.
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Yeah. He's saying, "This is my place. Mine."
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OK.
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So, have you got to be somewhere else?
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Interviewing a suspect in another case in a few hours.
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OK.
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She has a beach, back of right thigh.
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Then the other thigh, more writing.
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"We must stay here for as long as you don't understand."
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What do you think it means?
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Well, it's probably a misspelling of bitch, right?
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Yes. Maybe he's not that literate.
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No, but I think he's intelligent, so that doesn't fit.
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There's a contradiction here.
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Either way, there's deep anger in his words.
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And he's chosen to express that by writing it on her body.
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Which suggests he couldn't express his anger to her directly.
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That he struggles to convey his true feelings.
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Angry at her. Well, shit, he strangled her, so, yeah.
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But is it anger at THIS woman in particular or...
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You know, some woman? Maybe she rejected it.
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Or maybe someone else did and Josephine's a stand-in.
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No, something's off here.
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Not all of them are naked.
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But all of them were raped
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and strangled with a piece of their own clothing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but why remove the jewellery of this one,
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Thea, and not any of the others?
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Sometimes there are head wounds, sometimes there aren't.
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He's smart enough to lure them in, but he can't spell bitch.
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It feels like we're dealing with two different killers.
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Two MOs.
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OK. Josephine, Thea, Sthando.
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These three are all from Pretoria, right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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OK. And all their bodies were found in Joburg?
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Correct. OK.
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So, he drives.
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Either he drives them alive...
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It's an hour from Pretoria to Joburg, right?
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Yeah. So, they must trust him enough to get in the car.
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Or he kills them first, takes them to graveyards later.
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So, we're looking for a man that has dead bodies in his trunk.
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Or a man that gives lifts to women as his MO.
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Yeah, and we need to find him, because what he says here
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tells us he won't stop until we do.
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We don't have enough resources
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to go after 43 different suspects all over the country.
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So, I need you to narrow this down for us.
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43? Let's get to work.
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Let's give her everything she needs.
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Cigarette, please. Thank you.
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Come, Lord Jesus.
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Cover me with Thy precious blood.
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And fill me with Thy Holy Spirit.
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Ah! Ah! Ah!
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I love Thee, Lord Jesus.
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Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
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I praise Thee, Lord Jesus.
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Argh!
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I thank Thee, Jesus.
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Amen.
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Anything? Um...
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Well, I think I've got a top three.
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Thato Sikwane, Ernest Mapinga, David Selepe.
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Who seems like the most likely?
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Well, Sikwane's a college lecturer.
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A female student claimed he harassed her,
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made sexual remarks.
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Attempted rape, but she got away.
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Sounds about right. Yeah.
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No. The career and the personality seem right,
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but the approach seems hostile.
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A better fit is Mapinga.
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Local businessmen, sophisticated, clean-cut.
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A neighbour said he offered her a lift home
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and then tried to force his way into her house.
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What about him?
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Uh... David Selepe?
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Occupation unknown.
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Witness described him as well-liked in the community.
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Suave. Charming. Also a little arrogant.
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Our witness reported he offered her a job a few months ago.
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She hesitated. He became verbally abusive.
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She feared for her life and called in the tip-off.
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So, who do we follow up on?
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What?
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I don't guess.
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I need more time to look into all of them in more detail.
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OK. Don't take it, please.
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Detective Charles.
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Dr Pistorius?
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A long distance for you.
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Just pass it here. It's fine.
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Hi, this is Micki.
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An ego-dystonic killer.
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Smart deduction.
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Who is this?
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Robert Ressler.
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How did you settle on that conclusion with so few details?
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Sorry. Is this a prank?
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Maybe I should turn down the accent, huh?
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It is a little ham.
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Um. Can you pass me...?
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Hi...
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Hello? Mr Ressler. Hi.
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Sorry... What an honour.
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How did you...? Find you?
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It's a small field.
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And you faxed me your profile on Norman Simons, remember?
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Excellent work, by the way.
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Oh, thank you so much.
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So, your conclusion?
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Yeah. Well, it was the neatness of the scenes.
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The perfectionism.
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That was the first clue.
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The ego-dystonic killer has an ideal image of himself
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that doesn't correlate with his need to kill.
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So, from that and an eyewitness MO,
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I deduced that he'd be trusted in the community.
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I knew I was looking for someone who disassociated,
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who'd seek to isolate themselves,
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who suffered feelings of guilt and helplessness.
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Well, that's what the nurse described.
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Liebman. Yeah, exactly.
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Although I don't agree with all of his conclusions.
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Such as?
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That all serial killers are ego-dystonic.
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Most killers have virtually no superego.
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They don't regret. They don't feel guilt.
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They have unusually high self-esteem.
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Your work's impressive, Micki.
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The pathologies, the understanding of behaviours, the deductions.
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It's spot on.
265
00:18:26,060 --> 00:18:29,540
So are you on to your next case already?
266
00:18:29,540 --> 00:18:31,620
Um... The next two, actually.
267
00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:35,740
That kind of hands-on investigative work never happens stateside.
268
00:18:35,740 --> 00:18:37,700
I'm envious.
269
00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:39,060
Don't be.
270
00:18:39,060 --> 00:18:41,220
The detectives don't seem to like it.
271
00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,580
Think I'm interfering.
272
00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:45,940
Well, that's because we chase ghosts.
273
00:18:45,940 --> 00:18:49,540
We're concerned with causes, not symptoms.
274
00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:52,540
With thoughts, not deeds.
275
00:18:52,540 --> 00:18:56,300
Deeds are how detectives are taught to understand their work.
276
00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:57,860
Yeah.
277
00:18:57,860 --> 00:19:01,220
Well, maybe someone should teach them differently.
278
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Maybe that someone should be you.
279
00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:07,260
Thank you, Mr Ressler.
280
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Um, thank you.
281
00:19:24,020 --> 00:19:25,980
Hello. Hi.
282
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My guess was black, two sugars.
283
00:19:27,860 --> 00:19:29,740
Uh, black, no sugar.
284
00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:32,340
You must be Erika. Erika. Captain Bothes.
285
00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:34,380
And you are Doctor Pistorius.
286
00:19:34,380 --> 00:19:36,740
Well, coffee's wrong, but I've got...
287
00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:39,820
Ooh! This looks way more promising.
288
00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:41,380
Hm.
289
00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:43,900
So, Delmas Police Station?
290
00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:45,740
No, change of plan.
291
00:19:45,740 --> 00:19:48,220
We're going to meet our guy at the stream.
292
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,140
Where they found the bodies? Yeah.
293
00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:51,780
OK. We'll take my car. Mm-hm.
294
00:20:35,620 --> 00:20:36,580
May I?
295
00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:39,020
Sure.
296
00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:49,820
Wow. Well, you have clearly prepped.
297
00:20:49,820 --> 00:20:51,340
So, go on, then.
298
00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:53,780
Tell me what you know about Warren Barnes.
299
00:20:53,780 --> 00:20:56,420
Um... Member of an extreme right-wing group.
300
00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:58,980
He turned himself in. Confessed.
301
00:20:58,980 --> 00:21:01,660
Claimed two of the three murders happened at that stream.
302
00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:03,620
His descriptions match the scenes.
303
00:21:03,620 --> 00:21:07,020
Traumatic childhood, molestation, severe abuse.
304
00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:08,860
But now he's after an insanity defence.
305
00:21:08,860 --> 00:21:11,220
Claims multiple personality disorder.
306
00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:13,820
In psychiatric care, not prison time.
307
00:21:13,820 --> 00:21:15,140
Doesn't dispute that he killed,
308
00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:16,460
but says he can't be held responsible
309
00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:18,500
because he has no memory of the murders.
310
00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:21,260
Is he telling the truth? No.
311
00:21:21,260 --> 00:21:24,180
People with MPD don't act out revenge fantasies.
312
00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:25,620
Serial killers do.
313
00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:27,900
That's what you said in your lectures.
314
00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:29,660
So, Warren Barnes is lying.
315
00:21:31,180 --> 00:21:33,940
I studied at the Institute for Behavioural Sciences.
316
00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:36,660
They're still using your old notes to teach.
317
00:21:36,660 --> 00:21:38,860
What about the victim profiles?
318
00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:41,380
Black women, mostly. Big surprise.
319
00:21:41,380 --> 00:21:44,420
First one, he claims she made sexual advances towards him.
320
00:21:44,420 --> 00:21:46,780
Queen Bhuyeni. She was a prostitute.
321
00:21:46,780 --> 00:21:49,420
Worked in and around the CBD in the gambling dens.
322
00:21:49,420 --> 00:21:50,980
She was popular.
323
00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:53,500
Had her customers go to the Crown Hotel.
324
00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:55,220
He must have been one of them.
325
00:21:55,220 --> 00:21:57,100
And she trusted him.
326
00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:59,100
Didn't work out too well for her.
327
00:22:01,420 --> 00:22:04,620
So, he dislikes sexually forward women.
328
00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:06,540
Maybe he sees his acts
329
00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:09,660
as a sort of justice for his own abuse.
330
00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:13,140
Could be a way of punishing the women for enjoying sex.
331
00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:16,820
Or a projection of his own guilt for enjoying sex with black women.
332
00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:18,940
Or, possibly, simply for existing.
333
00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:34,380
Hello, Warren.
334
00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:39,580
My name is Micki Pistorius. Want to take a walk with me?
335
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,900
It's beautiful here, isn't it?
336
00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:51,700
Uh-huh.
337
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:52,660
Peaceful.
338
00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:56,940
I love these kinds of walks.
339
00:22:56,940 --> 00:22:59,380
They help me clear my head. Ms Pistorius...
340
00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:03,260
..why are we here?
341
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:10,660
I thought it might be more pleasant than the police station.
342
00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:12,420
Some sun.
343
00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:14,180
Fresh air.
344
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:17,180
And there's something I wanted to see here.
345
00:23:17,180 --> 00:23:18,740
Should be right around here.
346
00:23:24,140 --> 00:23:26,580
They were for Queen.
347
00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:30,340
Her family left them here after her body was found.
348
00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:34,340
They wanted to know the exact place she'd been dumped.
349
00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:37,740
This is the spot you pointed out, wasn't it?
350
00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:40,300
I've never been here.
351
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:41,460
OK.
352
00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:44,020
Let's talk.
353
00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:23,300
How do you know Queen Bhuyeni?
354
00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:26,860
Were you a regular customer of hers?
355
00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:29,180
I would never sleep with a woman like that.
356
00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:31,100
Why not?
357
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:32,140
She was a professional.
358
00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:35,620
There's no shame in that.
359
00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:38,900
It's against my culture to sleep with such a woman.
360
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:40,380
I see.
361
00:24:40,380 --> 00:24:43,300
And yet the victim is found to have been sexually assaulted.
362
00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:45,860
Her genitals mutilated.
363
00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:48,420
She was raped and then stabbed multiple times.
364
00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:50,580
You did that? Not...
365
00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:54,380
Not me.
366
00:24:57,260 --> 00:25:00,820
You showed the police where you left her body, Warren.
367
00:25:00,820 --> 00:25:04,300
If it wasn't you, who was it?
368
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:06,220
It was someone else.
369
00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:07,860
An Afrikaner?
370
00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:09,300
Yeah.
371
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:11,100
What's his name?
372
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:13,020
His name is Diederick.
373
00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:16,020
And where's Diederick now?
374
00:25:22,660 --> 00:25:24,500
Warren. Is Diederick here?
375
00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:30,140
Diedrick doesn't want to talk.
376
00:25:30,140 --> 00:25:32,140
I think you do want to talk.
377
00:25:57,060 --> 00:25:58,860
What do you want, Ms Pistorius?
378
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:04,460
I want to know how you killed Queen.
379
00:26:05,540 --> 00:26:06,860
She came to my door.
380
00:26:08,540 --> 00:26:09,500
She knocked.
381
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,740
She wanted to have sex with me.
382
00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:15,740
And is that what you wanted?
383
00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:17,340
No.
384
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:19,020
You didn't like her touching you?
385
00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:21,460
She should never have done that.
386
00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:24,220
She should never have touched me.
387
00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:26,340
Queen didn't hurt you, did she?
388
00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:29,100
The woman who hurt you,
389
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:31,980
that happened when you were much younger.
390
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:34,500
Why did Queen remind you of the woman who hurt you?
391
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,340
This is bullshit. He's lying.
392
00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:41,860
Is it because Queen touched you?
393
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:46,220
I... I don't know her.
394
00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:03,700
Interrogations are really fragile.
395
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:05,500
Need to tread gently.
396
00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:09,500
I'm sorry. But he is lying.
397
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:12,780
Doesn't mean we don't have to play along.
398
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:20,900
Yeah. This is Micki. Ninth victim.
399
00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:25,020
Different districts. Similar MO.
400
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,220
The mortuary just called with a confirmation.
401
00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:30,060
OK. Yeah, we'll meet you at the morgue.
402
00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:43,220
Doctor.
403
00:27:43,220 --> 00:27:45,180
Oh, right.
404
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:48,740
Breathe through your mouth.
405
00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:51,140
Small gulps. Makes it easier.
406
00:27:51,140 --> 00:27:52,220
Right. So...
407
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:55,540
Lungi Biyela.
408
00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:57,540
24 years old.
409
00:27:57,540 --> 00:28:00,300
Strangled with her pantihose.
410
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:04,180
You'll notice some severe bruising on the inner thighs.
411
00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:11,300
Can we see the clothing she came in with?
412
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:12,580
Sure. What's left of it.
413
00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:17,860
Knock yourself out. Thank you.
414
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,900
When did you last wear a pair of pantihose?
415
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:50,820
Not since Sunday school. Yeah. Me neither.
416
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:55,940
She was looking smart the day she went missing.
417
00:28:55,940 --> 00:28:59,140
Why do you think a woman would be this well-dressed?
418
00:28:59,140 --> 00:29:00,980
Church? On a Tuesday?
419
00:29:02,180 --> 00:29:04,180
Maybe on her way to work?
420
00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:06,300
Yeah. Then why stop and talk to a stranger?
421
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:07,740
Why get in his car
422
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:10,220
if you're on your way to something important, like your job?
423
00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:11,780
You're right.
424
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:14,180
Quite a few of them were well-dressed.
425
00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:17,740
Victim was wearing court shoes, blue blouse, black skirt.
426
00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:20,700
The Station Strangler promised the boys a reward.
427
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:23,420
You think this guy is promising these women something?
428
00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:25,220
I don't know.
429
00:29:25,220 --> 00:29:27,580
But a woman wearing pantihose wouldn't get into the car
430
00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:29,700
of a man who looked poor or badly dressed.
431
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,700
It must have been a good car.
432
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,460
Or a rich man.
433
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:38,540
Closest match to those details is David Selepe.
434
00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:43,340
Yeah, for this one.
435
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:25,980
Where did that come from? I've got to jump up and down.
436
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:31,860
No way. Is that Waterkloof?
437
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:33,700
That big old lady.
438
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:39,260
You've been sitting down here for hours.
439
00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:43,940
Do you need a heart-to-heart?
440
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:46,700
You were never very good at those.
441
00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:51,820
I can shut up and listen if you need me to.
442
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:11,620
Is that for me?
443
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:12,980
I'm not that much of a dragon.
444
00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:20,260
Alright. Listen up.
445
00:31:20,260 --> 00:31:22,700
David Selepe, 29 years of age.
446
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:25,220
Registered address puts him up in Boksburg.
447
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:26,700
We move as soon as we are done here.
448
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:27,700
Sergeant?
449
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:30,420
Um, I was supposed to brief the team on my full profile.
450
00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:32,020
Why are we arresting Selepe?
451
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:34,420
Well, you identified him for us. Well, done.
452
00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:36,500
I'm sure you are keen to get back to your own office.
453
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:39,820
No, sorry... Look, my work's not done.
454
00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:41,620
I said I needed more time on this.
455
00:31:41,620 --> 00:31:43,100
How did we land on him?
456
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:44,380
We need an arrest.
457
00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:47,060
While you are busy doing paperwork, our killer is a free man.
458
00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:48,780
Now, this Selepe.
459
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:51,220
He has links to Pretoria and Johannesburg.
460
00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:52,900
He owns a college.
461
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,260
He has a special interest in teaching female students.
462
00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:56,820
He drives a Mercedes Benz.
463
00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:59,140
All of which link up to what we have of your profile
464
00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:00,580
and the actual evidence.
465
00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:02,300
My profile isn't finished.
466
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:05,140
I can't get a clear picture,
467
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:07,620
there's too many inconsistencies and contradictions.
468
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:09,780
A few of these crime scenes feel like the work of two,
469
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:11,860
maybe three totally different killers.
470
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:13,500
We are not looking for three killers.
471
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:15,740
These scenes have almost nothing in common.
472
00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:18,020
The one thing they have in common, Captain, is dead women.
473
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:20,500
Yeah, but how do we know Selepe killed them all?
474
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:26,940
Look. This last victim had no blunt-force trauma.
475
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:29,060
Three previous victims all had head wounds.
476
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:31,140
Why would the killer's MO change so drastically
477
00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:33,020
from one victim to the next?
478
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:35,260
This last woman had no assault injuries at all.
479
00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:37,300
She must have gone with him willingly.
480
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:39,820
Now, why would she do that, huh? I don't know.
481
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:40,820
That's what I'm saying,
482
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:42,940
I need more time to interpret the scenes.
483
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:46,460
How about you let me decide on the arrests, Dr Pistorius?
484
00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:49,660
You've done your job. I'll do mine.
485
00:32:49,660 --> 00:32:53,180
Officers have been to the college and his home address, but no luck.
486
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:56,140
We know he travels between Pretoria and Johannesburg,
487
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,860
so we are putting up roadblocks.
488
00:32:57,860 --> 00:33:01,820
He drives a champagne Mercedes Benz, five years old.
489
00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:05,260
Let's get this guy before he gets another victim.
490
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:09,020
Let's go.
491
00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:26,180
What the...? I had to give him a name.
492
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:28,020
What if you gave him the wrong one?
493
00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:29,820
Well, that's up to the top level to sort out now.
494
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:31,740
It's not our problem. I'm sorry.
495
00:33:57,580 --> 00:33:59,180
Ready?
496
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,540
Could you turn off your engine please, sir?
497
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:17,500
Sure.
498
00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:22,780
Your papers, please.
499
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:24,540
Of course.
500
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:39,820
Problem with the papers?
501
00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:42,180
Open the boot for me, please, sir.
502
00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:05,380
Sir.
503
00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:07,660
You need to come with us, please.
504
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:24,100
Captain Pistorius, you interviewed my client,
505
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:26,300
Warren Barnes, is that correct?
506
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,620
That's right. I spent two hours with him.
507
00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:30,140
You say in your report
508
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:32,540
that Mr Barnes wants to convince the court
509
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:35,060
that he suffers from multiple personality disorder.
510
00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:36,420
That's correct.
511
00:35:36,420 --> 00:35:39,100
How can you say that he wants to convince us, Captain?
512
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,660
Surely if somebody can't remember,
513
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:44,100
it's not within our power to disprove their memory.
514
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:45,460
Well, that's not quite true.
515
00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:48,580
Yes, I can only judge the facts in front of me.
516
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:52,300
His words, his actions, his personal history.
517
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:54,780
But from those words, those actions,
518
00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:56,780
I can tell when someone is faking memory loss.
519
00:35:56,780 --> 00:36:00,940
So, what about Mr Barnes's personal history struck you most?
520
00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:02,780
Um...
521
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:06,300
When children are abused like Mr Barnes was,
522
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:08,700
they have several options for mental defence.
523
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:13,020
A person might develop split personalities, MPD to cope.
524
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:15,540
MPD represses the abuse, but, in my opinion,
525
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,980
very rarely morphs into revenge fantasies.
526
00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:21,660
The revenge fantasies are what fuel the murders serial killers commit.
527
00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:24,020
But a person with MPD wouldn't feel compelled
528
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:25,980
to act out their fantasies.
529
00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:27,860
The serial killer does.
530
00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:30,420
That's what makes him different.
531
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:32,500
Mr Barnes claims the abuse he suffered
532
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:35,300
led to his developing multiple personality disorder
533
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,180
and that's what came over him when he killed.
534
00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:39,140
That it was a second personality.
535
00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:42,380
A someone he called Diederick who committed the act.
536
00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:44,180
But MPD and the urge to kill
537
00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:46,940
are two completely different responses for abused individuals.
538
00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:49,100
In my opinion, they don't overlap.
539
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:51,020
You are saying that these two things
540
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:53,860
can NEVER coexist in one person.
541
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:56,260
Psychology isn't an exact science.
542
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:59,300
I'm saying it's highly improbable.
543
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,500
I hear what you're saying, Dr.
544
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,740
But if you have any doubt at all, this court should know that.
545
00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:07,220
From my research, I know it's highly improbable.
546
00:37:07,220 --> 00:37:08,980
My client would disagree.
547
00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:12,700
And it's possible that he would challenge what you've been taught.
548
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:15,660
That he's a murderer? Yes, that's clear, as the evidence shows.
549
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:19,420
But that he also suffers from a personality disorder.
550
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:20,580
A mitigating fact.
551
00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:22,620
Isn't that fairly clear as well?
552
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:28,420
Captain, after speaking to this man, my client,
553
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:30,660
can you tell this court conclusively
554
00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:34,940
that Mr Barnes does not suffer from multiple personality disorder?
555
00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:37,340
I can say that conclusively, yes.
556
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:39,740
In my professional opinion,
557
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:41,580
to the best of my knowledge,
558
00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:42,620
Mr Barnes is lying.
559
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:54,620
Siela?
560
00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:56,660
You did well on that stand today.
561
00:37:59,420 --> 00:38:00,660
Siela?
562
00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:03,380
Yeah. It's my new nickname for you.
563
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:07,460
For 'sielkunde', psychologist, it also means soul.
564
00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:12,140
And I'm also the bearer of more good news.
565
00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:14,260
They arrested Selepe.
566
00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:16,900
Where? Where is he now?
567
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:19,020
He's in the Brixton Police Station.
568
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:21,980
He confessed to 15 murders.
569
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:23,340
15?
570
00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:27,700
And he agreed to take the detectives to the scenes of the crime.
571
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,180
Then we'll know.
572
00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:30,860
I want to talk to him.
573
00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:32,460
I need to.
574
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:34,140
You can.
575
00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:36,100
In fact, I'm not sold on this one.
576
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:38,100
I need to understand it.
577
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:39,740
Now, if they really were all him,
578
00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:42,580
then that is a fascinating case study.
579
00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:44,180
What?
580
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:48,660
There's no-one that I know that thinks the way that you do.
581
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:51,940
And that's meant as a compliment. Thank you.
582
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:56,300
I promise you, you will get your interview.
583
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:59,260
And you're going to get into his head.
584
00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:01,140
Yeah. Take the win.
585
00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:03,700
While it's still here. There are few enough of them.
586
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:05,500
Yeah.
587
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:17,260
He's going to fall and break his neck if we're not careful.
588
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:21,900
And then we'll be the bad guys.
589
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:24,540
Take them off.
590
00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:31,540
It's not on me. Spread your legs.
591
00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:34,460
OK. Where is it?
592
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:37,260
Over there.
593
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:40,500
What's over there? A body?
594
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:42,540
A bag of underwear.
595
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:55,980
Where is it?
596
00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:57,300
It's there.
597
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:00,500
I'll show you.
598
00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:05,260
Uncuff him.
599
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:08,980
Seriously. Open up your hands.
600
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:26,500
There's a bag over here. Yes, it's here.
601
00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:31,860
Hey! Hey! Stop.
602
00:40:34,060 --> 00:40:35,300
Frikkie?
603
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:37,580
Are you OK?
604
00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:39,700
Someone radio an ambulance.
605
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,220
OK, cool. Just lay down your head...
606
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:21,180
Yeah. Hello.
607
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:34,380
They killed him.
608
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:35,860
David Selepe.
609
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:37,100
What? Yeah.
610
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,340
No interview. No chance of understanding.
611
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:41,020
No knowledge. Just another body.
612
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:42,900
We did our part, right?
613
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,660
I mean, whatever the outcome, women's lives will be saved.
614
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:46,740
Yeah.
615
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:53,060
Now we don't learn anything, though.
616
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:55,940
We've lost the chance to understand how one of these men thinks.
617
00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:58,540
Now, that's how lives really get saved.
618
00:41:58,540 --> 00:42:01,700
Not by taking justice into our own hands.
619
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:03,340
Yeah.
620
00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:04,700
Shame, I'd say let's go for a drink
621
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:06,540
but my fiance is waiting for me at home.
622
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:10,700
Oh, it's fine.
623
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,780
I'm fine.
624
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:14,380
Go home.
625
00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:15,420
Enjoy your evening.
626
00:42:17,380 --> 00:42:20,020
I'll see you tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
627
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:58,500
I'll miss you. Yeah, well, I'm not going anywhere.
628
00:42:58,500 --> 00:42:59,620
Are you?
629
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:05,260
Last day in Pretoria till they need me somewhere else.
630
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:07,860
Always got a place here if you need one.
631
00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:13,180
Yeah. You did your best.
632
00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:15,060
I just keep thinking if there's something I missed.
633
00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:19,500
Like, if there's someone else still out there.
634
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,260
I don't know.
635
00:43:22,820 --> 00:43:26,220
You know, maybe sometimes the why isn't the most important thing.
636
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:31,700
Yeah.
637
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,380
Maybe.
638
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:36,500
Oh, will you?
639
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:38,780
Don't smoke it all at once.
640
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:47,620
It's not all on you, you know.
641
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:54,500
Take care of yourself, OK?
642
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:57,820
See you soon.
643
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:27,180
Have you ever heard of Luke 5 32?
644
00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:33,580
"I have not come to call the righteous.
645
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:36,420
"But sinners to repentance."
646
00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:40,220
What does this say to you?
647
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:44,340
That we have to repent our sins.
648
00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:45,940
But what else?
649
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:48,780
That we are no worse than no-one else.
650
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:53,940
Exactly.
651
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:58,420
Our Saviour does not see our sins.
652
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:00,860
He sees us.
653
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:05,340
And He loves us and forgives us.
654
00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:08,300
No matter what we have done.
655
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:10,700
He wipes the slate clean.
656
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:15,740
He has given us salvation.
657
00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:19,780
And it is ours to claim.
658
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:23,780
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