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WOMAN:
The bodies were adding up.
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There were hundreds of suspects.
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MAN: He was the connection
between all of these victims.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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WOMAN 2: Wayne Williams saw
himself as a crime reporter.
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MAN 2: He would cover accidents,
murders even.
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He's smart. He's like a nerd.
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Did Wayne Williams kill anyone?
We don't know.
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WAYNE WILLIAMS: This isn't just
about me clearing my name.
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This is about getting
some justice.
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God willing,
let's make it happen.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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[TV static drones]
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[bright tone]
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["Save Me"
by Joan Armatrading playing]
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♪ ♪
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- ♪ Sinking ♪
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♪ Caught up
in a whirling motion ♪
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♪ Such a strange sensation ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ The currents uncertain ♪
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♪ Like sails of a mill,
I spin ♪
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♪ Like wheels,
I move in a circle ♪
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♪ While you stand ♪
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♪ On the bank ♪
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♪ Immune or evasive ♪
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♪ Throw me a lifeline ♪
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♪ Save me ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ Save me ♪
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♪ ♪
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[ominous music]
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♪ ♪
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- Another major story
we're following tonight.
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A stunning turn of events
as families
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of the Atlanta Child Murders
gather to talk about the case.
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- The prime suspect called in
from prison
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and maintained his innocence.
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This all happened
with victims' families
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right there in the room.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- I'm Lou Arcangeli.
- Jarvis Miller.
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- Jarvis?
- Miller.
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- Miller.
Hello, Mr. Miller.
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I really hate that they let
Wayne Williams...
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tease us and taunt us.
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Every level of jurisprudence
has reviewed this case
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multiple times, and they've
always found he's guilty.
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- I have half of
APD's case files...
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- Okay.
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- And over 16 kids had
at least one Caucasian hair
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on their body somewhere.
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That don't mean the person
killed 'em...
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- No.
- But someone else could have
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been the killer.
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- Mr. Miller,
you raise good points.
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It's just that the jury
found it overwhelming.
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- Well, we stick there--
we considered the time...
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it was a very,
very different time,
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and the culture of the city
was very, very different.
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- Agreed.
- I'm just saying,
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we have to--we have
to count that in,
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that the culture of the time
was very, very different.
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[dramatic music]
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- They feel that
these black children
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are not important!
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But I firmly believe
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at the root of it all is racism.
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[crowd murmuring]
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- In 1981,
the image of Atlanta was
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being transmitted globally
around the world,
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and the only thing people heard
about Atlanta was
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"children are dying,"
"children are dying."
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People all over the world
began to say,
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"What in the world
are you all doing?
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"How can you not
protect our children
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"in a community with these
black elected officials,
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"a black mayor,
black chief of police?
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What in the world
are you all doing in Atlanta?"
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♪ ♪
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- Patrick Rogers' death
has hit his family hard.
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Seven-year-old Isaac Rogers,
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who nicknamed his brother
"Pat-man,"
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was the last to see him alive.
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- I was seven years old
at the time.
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So now my brother, he's gone,
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my mother is a wreck,
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and they haven't caught
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this person.
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And there was this one time
we decided to go
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to Miss Willie Mae's house
to get some junk food.
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We came out of
Miss Willie Mae's apartment,
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and right as I stepped down
on the first step,
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there's a grown man.
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I have never seen him before,
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and he's looking up the stairs
at us,
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and he starts to come up
the stairs slow, deliberate.
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And so I turn around,
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and I rush back
to Miss Willie Mae's door.
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Had Miss Willie Mae been
10 seconds, 20 seconds later
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in opening that door,
my mother would have had
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two kids murdered by this guy.
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♪ ♪
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- I remember driving home
one night and saying,
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"This is scary.
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I mean, he's out there.
No one has a clue."
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[foreboding music]
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You know, I could count.
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I said, "It's eight days
since the last victim.
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We're gonna have one next
two--one or two days."
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Sure enough, kid goes missing,
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couple days later,
the body found.
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♪ ♪
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- When I started
with the task force,
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these were clearly...
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dumped cases.
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They were victims
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who were placed.
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So doesn't look like
we're gonna find
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shoe prints and tire prints
or fingerprints.
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So trace evidence on the victims
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was gonna be a critical aspect
of the investigation,
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because they might reveal
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the most recent place
the victims were
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before they were killed.
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- Criminologists
at the State Crime Lab
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compare and match fibers,
rope or fabric, for instance,
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from different sources
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and are working
under the assumption
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the fibers could be
the first link with a suspect.
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Sources tell us the crime lab
now has possession of
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all the clothing
found with the children
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on the task force list.
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- I started finding dog hair,
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violet acetate fibers,
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and also these unusual,
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distinctive green carpet fibers
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showing up on multiple victims.
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I grew in confidence
that they were important.
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- Larry said,
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"If you find this environment,
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you have found your killer."
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- There was a point
where the paper published
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a story saying
the task force had recovered
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hair and fiber evidence.
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And then after that,
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victims started showing up
in rivers.
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This was evidence
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that there was potentially
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a single murderer.
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- Joseph Bell, Curtis Walker,
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and Aaron Jackson were found
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in or near the South River.
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Patrick Rogers, Eddie Duncan,
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and Timothy Hill
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were all found
in the Chattahoochee River.
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Theory: water washes away
any evidence
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and no crime scene
can be established.
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[grim music]
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- The fear was palpable,
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because at that point,
we knew he was reacting
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to what he was reading.
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And then I realized
we're dealing with
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a single killer that--
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'cause he is--he's playing
a game with us.
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- He appeared to be learning.
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This was a killer
whose behaviors changed
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based on experience,
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and then the victims got older
as time went on.
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- From the time
the murders began
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in July of 1979,
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the victims were all
under the age of 16.
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In the last month,
that common characteristic
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has undergone a change:
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all have been
considerably older.
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♪ ♪
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- Most of the serial killers
that we know of
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did change along the way.
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♪ ♪
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The MO changes because it has to
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for him to do the crime.
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They're always moving...
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more and more violent.
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Always.
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- Jimmy Payne's body was found
late yesterday afternoon
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in the Chattahoochee River.
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just north of Bankhead Highway.
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He is the fifth victim
to be discovered
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in the Chattahoochee.
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- Another similarity
in many of these cases:
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few clues
and a lot of dead ends.
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[cameras snapping]
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- My initial thought was,
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"If I were trying to get rid
of a body,
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"the last thing I'd wanna do is
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"drive down to the bank
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of the river."
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[somber music]
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You could leave tire tracks.
You could get seen.
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You could get stuck.
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I said, "I'll bet you that
I would drop 'em off a bridge."
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Pull up, get out, drop.
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Three seconds later,
I'm back in the car.
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I'm gone.
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And I said, "We should set up
our surveillance
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on the bridge."
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- Agent Mike McComas said,
"We wanna watch the bridges.
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We think he's throwing the body
off the bridges."
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And I looked at him, and I said,
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"Are you guys crazy?
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"Do you know how many bridges
there are in Atlanta?
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"There's hundreds.
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How you know you're gonna
have the right bridge?"
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And then they said,
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"Do you have a better idea,
dumbass?"
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And I said to them,
"No, I don't, right now."
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I said, "Go for it."
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We said,
"Let's try it for 30 days.
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We got nothing to lose.
We got nothing else going."
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[suspenseful music]
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- We had 14 bridges
under surveillance.
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And we were using
police recruits
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under the bridge.
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♪ ♪
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- You had an officer on each end
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and officers down below
the bridge, next to the river.
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♪ ♪
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- And the FBI was serving
as the chase vehicles
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on top of the bridges.
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♪ ♪
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- We burned somewhere around
140 to 145 people per night.
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♪ ♪
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- It was decided that
this particular weekend
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will be the last week
that we were going to keep
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the bridges under surveillance.
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[eerie music]
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- That night, I was
at the southernmost bridge.
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I was down there
with a SWAT team guy
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with Atlanta PD.
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♪ ♪
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I remember sitting in the car.
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The radio squelch broke,
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and I heard something
about a splash.
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And of course, my ears perk up,
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and I start playing
with the radio,
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see what I can get, turn
the volume up a little bit.
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- Ready at a 502.
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- The guys below
hear a huge splash.
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- It was 3:00 in the morning,
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and you hear, "whoosh."
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[haunting music]
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- And then they looked up
on the bridge,
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and they can see headlights.
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They're moving very slowly,
were just starting to move.
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♪ ♪
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- I hollered over
to the Atlanta SWAT guy,
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"Get in the car, man.
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We need to run north
real quick."
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I'm going up 285 North...
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And I look over
on the southbound side
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on the ramp.
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And somebody's got lit up.
There's a lot of blue lights.
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I pulled in front,
and I walked back.
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I said, "What's going on?"
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They had already
pulled someone over.
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I see his license.
267
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He was 23 years old,
268
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and his name was Wayne Williams.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- Hey.
- Hello, gentlemen.
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How are you?
- How are you doing?
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All righty.
273
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- [clears throat]
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[clears throat, sniffs]
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There was never any incident
on the bridge.
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I never stopped on the bridge.
277
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I never threw anything
278
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off the bridge,
279
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and nobody ever testified
that I did.
280
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- There was maybe
three or four cars,
281
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plus Wayne Williams' car.
282
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I pulled around 'em
and pulled in front.
283
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First thing out of my mouth
was--I said,
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"Do you--do you know why
we pulled you over?"
285
00:12:16,708 --> 00:12:18,541
And he goes, "Yeah, it's got
something to do with
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those missing kids."
287
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And then immediately
out of his mouth, he said,
288
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"Yeah, you know, um,
Channel 2..."
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he says, "They're covering
this really well."
290
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And I thought, "How strange."
291
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He said, "I'm a talent scout,
292
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and I have an early morning
appointment"--
293
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like 7:00 or 8:00--
294
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"with Cheryl Johnson over
at Spanish Trace Apartments."
295
00:12:40,666 --> 00:12:44,459
He said, "I'm out here
trying to find her apartment."
296
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[dramatic music]
297
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That just wasn't believable.
298
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Who goes out
at 3:00 in the morning
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for a four-hour--an appointment
four hours later
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just to ensure
that he's not late?
301
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Just didn't cut it with me.
302
00:12:57,541 --> 00:13:00,125
- Two more cars
of plainclothes officers
303
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came on the scene,
304
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and I recognized Captain Spence.
305
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He was, at the time,
306
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head of
Atlanta police SWAT team.
307
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He says,
"I'm searching this car.
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You got a problem with it?"
309
00:13:09,583 --> 00:13:12,583
And I told him
in no uncertain terms that
310
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he didn't have any permission
to search my car.
311
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He informed he didn't need it.
312
00:13:16,334 --> 00:13:19,000
He was tired of my "S"
and all this.
313
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He was dragging stuff
all out on the seats and all.
314
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- I notice on the other side
of Wayne was a pair of gloves.
315
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They were almost, like,
316
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suede-like gloves
with wool liner,
317
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which I thought was
just a little bit strange.
318
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- There was a set of gloves
that stayed
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in the glove compartment
all the time,
320
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and that's exactly
where they were.
321
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And the way they got
on the front seat
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00:13:37,917 --> 00:13:39,292
when the other officers
found them,
323
00:13:39,375 --> 00:13:41,042
Carl Holden had gone
in the glove compartment,
324
00:13:41,125 --> 00:13:42,042
pulled the gloves out,
325
00:13:42,125 --> 00:13:43,500
and left them on the front seat.
326
00:13:43,583 --> 00:13:45,833
So when the second set of
officers came to do the search,
327
00:13:45,917 --> 00:13:47,459
the gloves were laying
on the front seat.
328
00:13:47,541 --> 00:13:49,167
♪ ♪
329
00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:51,334
- As he gets out,
I stepped to the back,
330
00:13:51,417 --> 00:13:53,500
and I see
on the hump of the car,
331
00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:55,209
there was a nylon rope there
332
00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:57,042
that was like a ski rope.
333
00:13:57,125 --> 00:13:58,250
It was braided.
334
00:13:58,334 --> 00:14:00,583
♪ ♪
335
00:14:00,666 --> 00:14:02,000
- There's an embankment.
336
00:14:02,083 --> 00:14:04,083
They claim they found this wire,
337
00:14:04,167 --> 00:14:06,541
but that was a piece of wire,
338
00:14:06,625 --> 00:14:08,541
when they were looking around
the area of the car,
339
00:14:08,625 --> 00:14:11,334
that was found
up the embankment.
340
00:14:11,417 --> 00:14:13,209
And when he found it
and picked it up,
341
00:14:13,292 --> 00:14:16,042
he said, "This would make
a nice ligature, wouldn't it?"
342
00:14:16,125 --> 00:14:19,042
And I said,
"Remember where you got that.
343
00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:21,708
It was here, not in the car."
344
00:14:21,791 --> 00:14:23,167
♪ ♪
345
00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:26,209
I could hear the helicopter
searching the river,
346
00:14:26,292 --> 00:14:28,833
and also, they were calling
for some boat team
347
00:14:28,917 --> 00:14:30,334
to put in the river.
348
00:14:30,417 --> 00:14:32,042
So I stayed there,
waiting on them
349
00:14:32,125 --> 00:14:34,417
to finish their river search
for about another hour
350
00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:37,042
till finally,
one of 'em called and said,
351
00:14:37,125 --> 00:14:38,833
you know, "Zero in the river."
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00:14:38,917 --> 00:14:40,083
Whatever that means.
353
00:14:40,167 --> 00:14:41,625
[unsettling percussive music]
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00:14:41,708 --> 00:14:44,375
- We carried it as far
as we could.
355
00:14:44,459 --> 00:14:46,958
We had suspicious reason
to stop him,
356
00:14:47,042 --> 00:14:51,083
but we really didn't have
enough to arrest him.
357
00:14:51,167 --> 00:14:53,459
So I ask the other guys,
"Are you through back there?"
358
00:14:53,541 --> 00:14:54,417
And they went,
"Yeah, we're done."
359
00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:55,500
I said, "Okay."
360
00:14:55,583 --> 00:14:58,083
So I said,
"Okay, you're free to go."
361
00:14:58,167 --> 00:15:00,833
- The FBI made the decision
not to arrest him,
362
00:15:00,917 --> 00:15:03,583
because if you arrest this guy,
363
00:15:03,666 --> 00:15:04,583
you have just said,
364
00:15:04,666 --> 00:15:06,125
"This is the Atlanta--
365
00:15:06,209 --> 00:15:07,500
the child killer."
366
00:15:07,583 --> 00:15:09,375
And you better have it right.
367
00:15:10,583 --> 00:15:11,750
- And then Captain Spence said,
368
00:15:11,833 --> 00:15:12,917
"Well, I guess you can go."
369
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,583
He said, "But I got you
this time, little nigger."
370
00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:16,917
Quote, unquote.
371
00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,917
[rain pattering]
372
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,625
[daunting music]
373
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- At first,
we didn't think it was him,
374
00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,125
and we would honestly think
375
00:15:24,209 --> 00:15:27,500
we could pretty much
wash him out as a suspect.
376
00:15:27,583 --> 00:15:29,125
Looks like a little nerd,
377
00:15:29,209 --> 00:15:30,666
standing at--he's only
about 5'7".
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00:15:30,750 --> 00:15:32,292
He's not very big in stature.
379
00:15:32,375 --> 00:15:35,500
Spectacles and his Afro,
he looks like Urkel,
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completely nonthreatening,
381
00:15:37,375 --> 00:15:40,334
and I'm saying to myself,
"Get him out of here."
382
00:15:40,417 --> 00:15:42,750
And then two days
after the splash,
383
00:15:42,833 --> 00:15:45,125
the body of the last victim,
Nathaniel Cater,
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00:15:45,209 --> 00:15:47,459
washed up about
a mile and a half,
385
00:15:47,541 --> 00:15:49,125
two miles south of the bridge.
386
00:15:49,209 --> 00:15:51,167
[solemn music]
387
00:15:52,541 --> 00:15:54,708
- Sunday, the oldest victim
yet was found
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00:15:54,791 --> 00:15:56,125
in the Chattahoochee River,
389
00:15:56,209 --> 00:15:57,666
but investigators still
don't believe
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the murderer or murderers are
choosing victims at random.
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00:16:00,666 --> 00:16:02,375
- Cater died
just a couple of weeks
392
00:16:02,459 --> 00:16:04,625
before his 28th birthday.
393
00:16:04,708 --> 00:16:06,000
He was found
in the Chattahoochee,
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00:16:06,083 --> 00:16:07,958
near the I-285 Bridge.
395
00:16:08,042 --> 00:16:10,000
He had been dead several days.
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00:16:10,083 --> 00:16:12,250
♪ ♪
397
00:16:12,334 --> 00:16:13,875
- When the body
of Nathaniel Cater
398
00:16:13,958 --> 00:16:15,917
washed up south of the bridge,
399
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,666
we said, "I think
Wayne Williams has a problem."
400
00:16:18,750 --> 00:16:20,167
And I said,
"I think you're right."
401
00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:23,209
[dramatic music]
402
00:16:23,292 --> 00:16:29,125
♪ ♪
403
00:16:29,209 --> 00:16:32,500
- The FBI had developed
really detailed profiles
404
00:16:32,583 --> 00:16:35,250
of what the suspect
should be like.
405
00:16:36,666 --> 00:16:40,833
- One of the many profiles
was of a single black male
406
00:16:40,917 --> 00:16:43,375
living with his parents.
407
00:16:43,459 --> 00:16:45,917
And they based that on
victimology,
408
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,917
studying the victims,
the environment of the victims.
409
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,958
♪ ♪
410
00:16:51,042 --> 00:16:53,042
- He would also be
very conscious
411
00:16:53,125 --> 00:16:54,209
of the media coverage.
412
00:16:54,292 --> 00:16:56,334
He'd be very aware.
413
00:16:56,417 --> 00:16:58,167
He would be an ambulance chaser.
414
00:16:59,583 --> 00:17:01,042
And that was Wayne Williams.
415
00:17:01,125 --> 00:17:05,083
- And his car was all done up
416
00:17:05,167 --> 00:17:08,541
with lights and...
417
00:17:08,625 --> 00:17:10,042
it looked like a police car.
418
00:17:10,125 --> 00:17:12,417
♪ ♪
419
00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:16,083
- Wayne had a police monitor
in his car.
420
00:17:16,167 --> 00:17:17,083
People would say,
421
00:17:17,167 --> 00:17:18,083
"That's strange."
422
00:17:18,167 --> 00:17:19,083
Well, not if you're chasing
423
00:17:19,167 --> 00:17:20,209
news stories.
424
00:17:20,292 --> 00:17:22,750
Because he would listen
to the police monitor,
425
00:17:22,833 --> 00:17:24,209
and when he heard something
going off,
426
00:17:24,292 --> 00:17:26,750
he would jump in his car
and take off flying
427
00:17:26,833 --> 00:17:28,417
with this big camera in the car
428
00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,875
to go to try to get
the news story.
429
00:17:30,958 --> 00:17:33,750
- It had been a detective car,
had a scanner.
430
00:17:33,833 --> 00:17:35,917
There was a whip on the back
and everything.
431
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,917
And he put the blue lights
back in,
432
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,875
and he got arrested
for having it.
433
00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:41,875
- Wayne was a police groupie.
434
00:17:41,958 --> 00:17:43,042
He would hang out
435
00:17:43,125 --> 00:17:44,417
with police officers.
436
00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:46,083
♪ ♪
437
00:17:46,167 --> 00:17:48,750
He could easily have
impersonated a police officer
438
00:17:48,833 --> 00:17:52,125
to overpower or to get
these kids to get in his car.
439
00:17:52,209 --> 00:17:53,750
♪ ♪
440
00:17:53,833 --> 00:17:56,250
- We generated a list
of 3,000 names,
441
00:17:56,334 --> 00:17:58,875
and the only criteria
on the list was:
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00:17:58,958 --> 00:18:01,334
person arrested for
impersonating
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00:18:01,417 --> 00:18:02,417
a police officer,
444
00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:06,583
and race, gender
were not criteria.
445
00:18:06,666 --> 00:18:08,125
Wayne Williams is on that list
446
00:18:08,209 --> 00:18:10,000
'cause he'd been arrested
for impersonating
447
00:18:10,083 --> 00:18:11,500
a police officer earlier.
448
00:18:11,583 --> 00:18:13,167
♪ ♪
449
00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:15,459
However, I am convinced
450
00:18:15,541 --> 00:18:16,958
had we sent
two agents out there--
451
00:18:17,042 --> 00:18:19,292
even sent me out there--
we would have come back
452
00:18:19,375 --> 00:18:21,292
and said,
"This is not the guy."
453
00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:22,917
And after we got
our Wayne Williams,
454
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,334
then we looked at it and said,
"Jeez, he fits the profile.
455
00:18:25,417 --> 00:18:26,625
He checks all the boxes."
456
00:18:26,708 --> 00:18:28,250
[somber music]
457
00:18:28,334 --> 00:18:31,791
- Okay, we're coming up.
Remote one, sound and picture.
458
00:18:31,875 --> 00:18:35,000
- Ten seconds to the ID.
- Ten to the ID.
459
00:18:35,083 --> 00:18:38,500
- Sometime after Wayne
was stopped on the bridge,
460
00:18:38,583 --> 00:18:41,125
the anchor from Channel 2
461
00:18:41,209 --> 00:18:42,625
called me about 9:00 at night
462
00:18:42,708 --> 00:18:44,209
and said, "We--we've been told--
463
00:18:44,292 --> 00:18:45,167
we have confirmation
464
00:18:45,250 --> 00:18:46,500
that there's a suspect."
465
00:18:50,250 --> 00:18:52,459
So I got
to the FBI office in downtown
466
00:18:52,541 --> 00:18:54,334
because they detained somebody.
467
00:18:54,417 --> 00:18:57,167
[indistinct chatter]
468
00:18:57,250 --> 00:19:00,167
[alarm sounding]
469
00:19:00,250 --> 00:19:01,917
- Is there a suspect inside?
470
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000
- The word is not "a suspect."
471
00:19:03,083 --> 00:19:05,708
There's been,
uh--there's someone
472
00:19:05,791 --> 00:19:07,666
who has been interviewed
since this afternoon.
473
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:08,833
That's the official word,
474
00:19:08,917 --> 00:19:10,541
"interviewed since
this afternoon."
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00:19:12,042 --> 00:19:13,958
[cameras snapping]
476
00:19:14,042 --> 00:19:16,334
I get to the office,
and I see this guy
477
00:19:16,417 --> 00:19:18,209
who was a photographer
for a couple of
478
00:19:18,292 --> 00:19:20,666
the black newspapers
in the city...
479
00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:22,000
Homer Williams.
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00:19:22,083 --> 00:19:25,000
And I'm thinking, "This guy
has the picture of this guy."
481
00:19:25,083 --> 00:19:28,000
And I said, "Homer,
how did you manage this?
482
00:19:28,083 --> 00:19:30,083
And he said, "Well, it's my son.
483
00:19:30,167 --> 00:19:33,125
They're charging my son
with littering."
484
00:19:33,209 --> 00:19:34,833
You know, I can't believe it.
He kept saying...
485
00:19:34,917 --> 00:19:36,167
and finally, I said to him,
486
00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:38,167
"Homer, you need to stop
talking to me,
487
00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:41,375
"because, you know,
I represent the law people.
488
00:19:41,459 --> 00:19:43,292
I'm in the side
of the government."
489
00:19:44,334 --> 00:19:46,417
- Wayne takes
a lie detector test,
490
00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:49,708
and the polygraph examiner
shows him the results.
491
00:19:49,791 --> 00:19:51,541
And Wayne says, you know,
"What's this one,
492
00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:53,083
where there's a big spike?"
493
00:19:53,167 --> 00:19:54,209
And he said,
"Well, that's 'Did you kill
494
00:19:54,292 --> 00:19:55,500
Nathanial Cater?'"
495
00:19:55,583 --> 00:19:56,708
"What's this one?"
496
00:19:56,791 --> 00:20:00,042
"That's 'Did you dump his body
in the river?'"
497
00:20:00,125 --> 00:20:01,209
You know, and so forth.
498
00:20:01,292 --> 00:20:05,167
And the three of them are
the three questions
499
00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:07,708
about whether or not
he's the killer.
500
00:20:07,791 --> 00:20:09,334
♪ ♪
501
00:20:09,417 --> 00:20:12,917
- At that point,
I knew I was a suspect.
502
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,583
There was no question.
503
00:20:14,666 --> 00:20:17,083
In my stupidity and naivete,
504
00:20:17,167 --> 00:20:20,750
I had hoped that by trying
to cooperate with these people
505
00:20:20,833 --> 00:20:23,958
I could rationalize
and explain some things,
506
00:20:24,042 --> 00:20:26,750
and I figured sooner or later,
they'd leave me alone.
507
00:20:26,833 --> 00:20:29,500
[dramatic music]
508
00:20:29,583 --> 00:20:31,625
- I knew nothing
about the bridge stakeouts.
509
00:20:31,708 --> 00:20:33,625
I knew nothing about the splash.
510
00:20:33,708 --> 00:20:36,583
I knew nothing about
the bridge incident at all.
511
00:20:36,666 --> 00:20:38,791
I'd never heard the name
Wayne Williams.
512
00:20:38,875 --> 00:20:40,583
♪ ♪
513
00:20:40,666 --> 00:20:42,708
I had been to the autopsy
and collected fibers
514
00:20:42,791 --> 00:20:44,417
from Cater's body.
515
00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:46,791
I found a green carpet fiber.
516
00:20:46,875 --> 00:20:50,417
That, to me, was a very strong
indication that was a linkage
517
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:52,083
to the other victims.
518
00:20:52,167 --> 00:20:54,958
On June 3rd,
my coworker and myself,
519
00:20:55,042 --> 00:20:57,459
we saw coming down the hallway
520
00:20:57,541 --> 00:20:59,334
a crime scene team from the FBI,
521
00:20:59,417 --> 00:21:01,125
been flown down from D.C.
522
00:21:01,209 --> 00:21:02,958
So that seemed very unusual,
523
00:21:03,042 --> 00:21:04,459
that there's something big
going on.
524
00:21:04,541 --> 00:21:07,334
We were then informed that
there was a suspect's vehicle
525
00:21:07,417 --> 00:21:09,334
in the basement of
the federal building
526
00:21:09,417 --> 00:21:10,791
to be searched, and then I said,
527
00:21:10,875 --> 00:21:12,541
"Go get the crime scene
equipment."
528
00:21:12,625 --> 00:21:15,459
So I left my coworker
processing the car.
529
00:21:15,541 --> 00:21:18,167
And I left and went to the home.
530
00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:25,250
♪ ♪
531
00:21:26,417 --> 00:21:29,583
There was already
a camera crew at the scene,
532
00:21:29,666 --> 00:21:31,666
which I thought was
kind of interesting.
533
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:36,541
♪ ♪
534
00:21:36,625 --> 00:21:40,875
Inside the house, there was
a few detectives there,
535
00:21:40,958 --> 00:21:44,875
and then there was maybe
four people from the FBI lab
536
00:21:44,958 --> 00:21:46,459
processing and doing
different things
537
00:21:46,541 --> 00:21:47,459
inside the house.
538
00:21:47,541 --> 00:21:50,666
♪ ♪
539
00:21:50,750 --> 00:21:53,500
- In a ceiling panel,
they found a slapjack.
540
00:21:53,583 --> 00:21:58,167
And a slapjack is
a leather, flat device,
541
00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:02,541
maybe 10 inches long
with lead inside.
542
00:22:02,625 --> 00:22:05,000
If you strike somebody
in the head--you know,
543
00:22:05,083 --> 00:22:07,833
you hit 'em--hit 'em
upside the head, so to speak,
544
00:22:07,917 --> 00:22:09,833
you can kill a person
very, very easily,
545
00:22:09,917 --> 00:22:12,750
because you're hitting 'em
with--in effect,
546
00:22:12,833 --> 00:22:15,000
like hitting with a lead pipe.
547
00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:17,708
[moody music]
548
00:22:17,791 --> 00:22:20,500
- There were boxes
of slides of photos
549
00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:23,209
of young adults
and what have you.
550
00:22:23,292 --> 00:22:24,541
I mean, there were a lot.
551
00:22:24,625 --> 00:22:26,417
Going through some
of the slides,
552
00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:29,209
I found the slide
I thought looked like
553
00:22:29,292 --> 00:22:30,375
maybe one of the victims.
554
00:22:30,459 --> 00:22:32,833
And so one of the APD detectives
555
00:22:32,917 --> 00:22:36,000
was outside, and I wanted
to show him the slide.
556
00:22:36,083 --> 00:22:37,417
We were both looking
at the slide,
557
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:38,791
and Homer Williams came out
558
00:22:38,875 --> 00:22:41,375
and snatched the slide
out of my hand
559
00:22:41,459 --> 00:22:44,042
and started going back
into the house.
560
00:22:44,125 --> 00:22:46,583
♪ ♪
561
00:22:46,666 --> 00:22:49,042
- In the backyard,
in the barbecue pit,
562
00:22:49,125 --> 00:22:52,541
according to neighbors,
photographs had been burned
563
00:22:52,625 --> 00:22:55,250
early on the morning
of May 22nd,
564
00:22:55,334 --> 00:22:58,042
after Wayne Williams
left the bridge,
565
00:22:58,125 --> 00:23:00,417
when he was released
and he went home.
566
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:03,250
And then
in the early morning hours,
567
00:23:03,334 --> 00:23:05,083
he and his father were out
burning photographs
568
00:23:05,167 --> 00:23:06,625
in the barbecue pit.
569
00:23:06,708 --> 00:23:09,791
♪ ♪
570
00:23:09,875 --> 00:23:11,958
- I saw there was
wall-to-wall green carpet
571
00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:13,375
in several of the rooms.
572
00:23:13,459 --> 00:23:16,083
The bed was a violet
and green bedspread.
573
00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:18,583
They had a German Shepherd dog.
574
00:23:18,666 --> 00:23:21,042
I--yeah,
I had an intense feeling
575
00:23:21,125 --> 00:23:23,750
of "This is big.
This is--this is it.
576
00:23:23,833 --> 00:23:26,375
This is gonna--this is what
we've been looking for."
577
00:23:27,541 --> 00:23:29,833
So I collected some
fiber samples...
578
00:23:31,167 --> 00:23:33,250
And I went back to the lab,
579
00:23:33,334 --> 00:23:35,459
and I put the fiber
from the Williams' bedroom
580
00:23:35,541 --> 00:23:36,750
under the scope.
581
00:23:36,833 --> 00:23:39,209
It matched
the violet acetate fibers.
582
00:23:41,042 --> 00:23:42,541
Then I looked
at the green carpet.
583
00:23:43,708 --> 00:23:46,250
I knew instantly
from crime scenes that
584
00:23:46,334 --> 00:23:48,125
that was the fiber.
585
00:23:48,209 --> 00:23:52,791
It was an absolute...
586
00:23:52,875 --> 00:23:54,833
eureka moment.
587
00:23:54,917 --> 00:23:56,583
- Bingo.
588
00:23:56,666 --> 00:23:58,083
This is unbelievable.
589
00:23:58,167 --> 00:24:01,334
This is--if this is not
the source,
590
00:24:01,417 --> 00:24:02,958
I don't know what is.
591
00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:04,292
[dramatic music]
592
00:24:04,375 --> 00:24:07,167
[indistinct chatter]
593
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:11,750
♪ ♪
594
00:24:11,833 --> 00:24:13,500
- The way that
they were treated.
595
00:24:13,583 --> 00:24:15,958
The way that authorities went
into the house,
596
00:24:16,042 --> 00:24:19,459
tearing up the carpet in
the house and the furniture...
597
00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:21,000
- The car.
- The car.
598
00:24:21,083 --> 00:24:22,875
♪ ♪
599
00:24:22,958 --> 00:24:24,541
Mrs. Williams was
very respectable people,
600
00:24:24,625 --> 00:24:28,791
both educators,
very dignified and refined.
601
00:24:28,875 --> 00:24:31,708
Peace-loving people to be
treated like that,
602
00:24:31,791 --> 00:24:34,459
it was just--
it was unbelievable.
603
00:24:34,541 --> 00:24:35,917
They were building this case.
604
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,209
They were going to implicate him
605
00:24:38,292 --> 00:24:39,209
by any means necessary,
606
00:24:39,292 --> 00:24:40,209
because they had to close
607
00:24:40,292 --> 00:24:41,209
the case.
608
00:24:41,292 --> 00:24:42,500
They had to do something,
609
00:24:42,583 --> 00:24:45,459
because not only Atlanta,
610
00:24:45,541 --> 00:24:49,375
but America was disturbed
about what was going on--
611
00:24:49,459 --> 00:24:50,708
the world even.
612
00:24:50,791 --> 00:24:53,167
♪ ♪
613
00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:55,250
- In one of the most tragic
situations ever to strike
614
00:24:55,334 --> 00:24:56,459
an American city,
615
00:24:56,541 --> 00:24:58,708
President Reagan today took
a direct hand
616
00:24:58,791 --> 00:25:00,000
in the Atlanta situation.
617
00:25:00,083 --> 00:25:03,292
- I want the people of Atlanta
and the nation to know that
618
00:25:03,375 --> 00:25:06,666
this administration is doing
and will continue to do
619
00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,833
what we can to help bring
an end to this tragedy.
620
00:25:09,917 --> 00:25:11,833
- What do you have to say
to people who say that
621
00:25:11,917 --> 00:25:13,042
Washington would have
moved quicker
622
00:25:13,125 --> 00:25:14,666
if those children
had been white?
623
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:16,875
- We moved as quickly
as we could
624
00:25:16,958 --> 00:25:18,375
and were aware
that there was a need.
625
00:25:18,459 --> 00:25:19,708
- The fact they were black
didn't mean that
626
00:25:19,791 --> 00:25:22,209
you had less concern
or you had--you moved slower?
627
00:25:22,292 --> 00:25:24,209
- No, Sam,
I think there's one thing,
628
00:25:24,292 --> 00:25:26,917
and I wanna make one thing
very plain.
629
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,541
This goes all the way back
to the campaign:
630
00:25:29,625 --> 00:25:32,875
this administration
is totally colorblind.
631
00:25:32,958 --> 00:25:35,875
[energetic music]
632
00:25:35,958 --> 00:25:42,958
♪ ♪
633
00:25:49,292 --> 00:25:51,209
- When he first called me,
he said,
634
00:25:51,292 --> 00:25:54,459
"I think... I'm in trouble.
635
00:25:54,541 --> 00:25:58,334
"I think I need a lawyer,
636
00:25:58,417 --> 00:26:02,250
"and I know from your reputation
637
00:26:02,334 --> 00:26:04,583
that you are fearless."
638
00:26:04,666 --> 00:26:07,459
♪ ♪
639
00:26:07,541 --> 00:26:09,417
- Everybody knew Mary Welcome.
640
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,250
Mary was this crusading
city solicitor
641
00:26:12,334 --> 00:26:13,250
protecting the city.
642
00:26:13,334 --> 00:26:15,250
- Back when Mary Welcome was
643
00:26:15,334 --> 00:26:17,083
a smut-fighting city solicitor,
644
00:26:17,167 --> 00:26:19,209
she earned the nickname
"Wild Mary"
645
00:26:19,292 --> 00:26:20,583
for her determined efforts
646
00:26:20,666 --> 00:26:22,833
to close down
Atlanta bathhouses.
647
00:26:23,666 --> 00:26:26,666
- That's in section 20-180
of the city code of Atlanta,
648
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:29,125
which provides that any nuisance
649
00:26:29,209 --> 00:26:31,791
may be abated or removed
by the judge
650
00:26:31,875 --> 00:26:33,833
of the Municipal Court
of the City of Atlanta.
651
00:26:33,917 --> 00:26:35,375
♪ ♪
652
00:26:35,459 --> 00:26:39,334
- She was closing down all of
the peep joints downtown
653
00:26:39,417 --> 00:26:41,791
and closing up
the massage parlors.
654
00:26:41,875 --> 00:26:43,334
You know, going in...
655
00:26:43,417 --> 00:26:44,833
♪ ♪
656
00:26:44,917 --> 00:26:46,583
- We have closed the doors
657
00:26:46,666 --> 00:26:50,459
on every single bathhouse
in this city.
658
00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:52,125
- Except for the Blue Fox.
659
00:26:52,209 --> 00:26:54,125
- Except--we've closed
those doors too,
660
00:26:54,209 --> 00:26:56,292
but a higher court has said
that they have right
661
00:26:56,375 --> 00:26:57,583
pending appeal.
662
00:26:57,666 --> 00:27:01,334
I have no doubt that they too
will be closed very shortly.
663
00:27:01,417 --> 00:27:08,334
♪ ♪
664
00:27:09,417 --> 00:27:11,000
- Wayne wanted the publicity.
665
00:27:11,083 --> 00:27:13,167
He wanted the notoriety,
666
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:14,167
and the selection
667
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:16,167
of Mary Welcome fit
668
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:18,209
with that narrative of Wayne
669
00:27:18,292 --> 00:27:19,833
wanting to be important
670
00:27:19,917 --> 00:27:22,292
and wanting everybody to know
who he was.
671
00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:25,042
[tense music]
672
00:27:25,125 --> 00:27:26,250
♪ ♪
673
00:27:26,334 --> 00:27:29,209
[indistinct chatter]
674
00:27:29,292 --> 00:27:36,209
♪ ♪
675
00:27:36,292 --> 00:27:37,708
- After returning home,
676
00:27:37,791 --> 00:27:40,209
the young man conducted
a news conference,
677
00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:42,666
setting the condition
that he would not be shown
678
00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:44,375
and that his name not be used.
679
00:27:44,459 --> 00:27:48,042
- Had you thought a lot
about this murder case?
680
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:49,417
- Some of them might be
connected,
681
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,375
but some of these kids
are in places
682
00:27:51,459 --> 00:27:53,167
they don't have no business
being at certain times
683
00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:54,417
of the day and night.
684
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:56,209
They're just running around
in the streets wild.
685
00:27:56,292 --> 00:27:57,708
I'm saying
when you're doing that,
686
00:27:57,791 --> 00:28:00,167
you're opening yourself up
for all kinds of things.
687
00:28:00,250 --> 00:28:01,708
I just feel
some of these parents
688
00:28:01,791 --> 00:28:04,417
just need to tighten up
and get strict on the kids.
689
00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,541
- But you didn't throw
anything in the river?
690
00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:08,375
- No.
- Even though they said that?
691
00:28:08,459 --> 00:28:12,209
- I told them that I dropped
nothing in the river.
692
00:28:12,292 --> 00:28:15,334
One agent thought I slowed down
to one mile an hour,
693
00:28:15,417 --> 00:28:17,125
and the two agents were saying
694
00:28:17,209 --> 00:28:18,791
they were not
in a position to see.
695
00:28:19,917 --> 00:28:21,500
- Wayne holds a press conference
696
00:28:21,583 --> 00:28:23,250
in his house.
697
00:28:23,334 --> 00:28:26,500
And he hands out his resume...
698
00:28:26,583 --> 00:28:29,500
which shows he flies airplanes,
699
00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,541
and he's a race car driver,
700
00:28:32,625 --> 00:28:34,209
and all these other things,
you know, that--
701
00:28:34,292 --> 00:28:37,500
just absolute fiction.
702
00:28:37,583 --> 00:28:40,958
- Police, news reporters,
an photographers smothered
703
00:28:41,042 --> 00:28:42,417
this quiet neighborhood.
704
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,500
The police said they were
there to watch the man
705
00:28:44,583 --> 00:28:45,917
some call the prime suspect
706
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,875
mostly for his own protection,
they said.
707
00:28:49,209 --> 00:28:51,917
- Williams himself did not
exactly go into hiding.
708
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,625
- All right, everybody
on this property--
709
00:28:53,708 --> 00:28:56,459
I'm pressing against you two
criminal trespass charges.
710
00:28:56,541 --> 00:28:58,042
[indistinct radio chatter]
711
00:28:58,125 --> 00:29:01,500
- They released Wayne
to be hounded by media
712
00:29:01,583 --> 00:29:03,875
for the next weeks.
713
00:29:03,958 --> 00:29:05,917
[funky music]
714
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,417
[car horn honks]
715
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:12,917
♪ ♪
716
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,459
- He dangled himself.
717
00:29:14,541 --> 00:29:17,417
It was like--it was like
he's a carrot.
718
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,500
"Look over here.
719
00:29:19,583 --> 00:29:21,125
Here I am."
720
00:29:21,209 --> 00:29:24,833
It's like he was waving at them,
taunting them.
721
00:29:24,917 --> 00:29:27,791
♪ ♪
722
00:29:27,875 --> 00:29:31,459
My impression of Wayne was
almost like a child,
723
00:29:31,541 --> 00:29:33,583
but parading in big boy clothes.
724
00:29:35,708 --> 00:29:36,791
[car horn honks]
725
00:29:36,875 --> 00:29:38,791
- Hey, Wayne, where you going?
726
00:29:38,875 --> 00:29:40,209
Wayne, where you going?
727
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:43,459
- Whenever he leaves his home,
728
00:29:43,541 --> 00:29:46,666
agents madly scramble into
their cars and follow him.
729
00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:50,625
The first car, the FBI;
the second, the task force;
730
00:29:50,708 --> 00:29:53,125
the third, the FBI,
731
00:29:53,209 --> 00:29:55,209
and so it has gone all day.
732
00:29:56,708 --> 00:29:58,500
- Get out the way!
- Homer.
733
00:29:58,583 --> 00:29:59,625
- Yeah.
- Forget it.
734
00:29:59,708 --> 00:30:03,958
♪ ♪
735
00:30:04,042 --> 00:30:05,167
- You're gonna make a fool
of yourself
736
00:30:05,250 --> 00:30:06,417
without talking to us.
737
00:30:08,583 --> 00:30:09,791
[camera snaps]
738
00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,292
- Mr. Williams, can you tell us
739
00:30:11,375 --> 00:30:13,125
why you're taking pictures
of us?
740
00:30:13,209 --> 00:30:15,875
♪ ♪
741
00:30:15,958 --> 00:30:18,500
Mrs. Williams, what is
your husband doing?
742
00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:21,875
♪ ♪
743
00:30:21,958 --> 00:30:23,500
- One of the nights
that I was there,
744
00:30:23,583 --> 00:30:26,708
I heard Wayne yelling my name.
"Angelo!"
745
00:30:26,791 --> 00:30:30,583
And I go, "Oh, shit.
Oh, what do I do now?"
746
00:30:31,666 --> 00:30:33,334
He made an impassioned plea
747
00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:36,167
for the mayor to stop
all this stuff,
748
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:38,167
and I said,
"I will pass the message."
749
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:39,459
And I--and I did.
750
00:30:39,541 --> 00:30:41,833
- Good morning.
- How is everybody?
751
00:30:41,917 --> 00:30:43,417
- Good morning. Mr. Slaton.
- Morning.
752
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,334
Good morning.
- Morning, sir.
753
00:30:45,417 --> 00:30:47,042
- District Attorney Lewis Slaton
754
00:30:47,125 --> 00:30:49,459
decided last night
there was not enough evidence
755
00:30:49,541 --> 00:30:50,875
to charge the man.
756
00:30:50,958 --> 00:30:52,000
- No arrest warrants
757
00:30:52,083 --> 00:30:53,417
have been contemplated
758
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:54,917
in the immediate future,
759
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,209
and that's just where we stand.
760
00:30:56,292 --> 00:30:58,541
- Lewis Slaton had been
the District Attorney
761
00:30:58,625 --> 00:31:01,708
in Fulton County for many years,
762
00:31:01,791 --> 00:31:05,167
and I think his reluctance
was due to the fact
763
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:07,500
that he didn't have
any evidence.
764
00:31:07,583 --> 00:31:08,917
There's an old adage:
765
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,708
a good prosecutor can indict
766
00:31:10,791 --> 00:31:12,042
a ham sandwich.
767
00:31:12,125 --> 00:31:13,000
Well, after you get him
768
00:31:13,083 --> 00:31:14,417
indicted,
769
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,583
what are you gonna do
if you don't have any evidence
770
00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:18,083
to support your allegation?
771
00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:19,875
[tense music]
772
00:31:19,958 --> 00:31:22,125
- The FBI wanted to arrest
this person
773
00:31:22,209 --> 00:31:23,541
in connection
with the child murders,
774
00:31:23,625 --> 00:31:25,750
but local authorities refused.
775
00:31:25,833 --> 00:31:28,042
There was a sharp disagreement
over whether or not
776
00:31:28,125 --> 00:31:30,292
arrest warrants
should be issued.
777
00:31:30,375 --> 00:31:32,459
- Lewis Slaton kept saying,
778
00:31:32,541 --> 00:31:35,083
"I don't have
sufficient evidence
779
00:31:35,167 --> 00:31:37,083
to charge Wayne Williams."
780
00:31:37,167 --> 00:31:38,708
He kept saying that publicly.
781
00:31:38,791 --> 00:31:40,875
♪ ♪
782
00:31:40,958 --> 00:31:43,750
- My sources told me
about a meeting
783
00:31:43,833 --> 00:31:44,958
at the Governor's Mansion.
784
00:31:45,042 --> 00:31:47,292
♪ ♪
785
00:31:47,375 --> 00:31:49,083
It included the FBI
786
00:31:49,167 --> 00:31:50,750
and the U.S.
Attorney's Office,
787
00:31:50,833 --> 00:31:52,541
the Georgia attorney general,
788
00:31:52,625 --> 00:31:56,666
and representatives
of the task force.
789
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,833
That meeting with Lewis Slaton
went on for seven hours
790
00:32:00,917 --> 00:32:02,250
on that Friday.
791
00:32:02,334 --> 00:32:06,000
[dramatic music]
792
00:32:06,083 --> 00:32:10,375
George Bush wanted the FBI
and the U.S. Attorney's Office
793
00:32:10,459 --> 00:32:14,417
and state and local officials
to be in the same room.
794
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,791
Clearly, having the meeting
at the mansion,
795
00:32:17,875 --> 00:32:19,791
there was a message.
796
00:32:19,875 --> 00:32:24,791
- Slaton's taken inside
and told...
797
00:32:24,875 --> 00:32:27,000
"We're gonna bring charges
if you don't."
798
00:32:27,083 --> 00:32:30,083
- The FBI and everybody else
799
00:32:30,167 --> 00:32:32,167
was being embarrassed
800
00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:33,791
internationally
801
00:32:33,875 --> 00:32:35,917
by the murders.
802
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,833
- Officer,
he's asked them to leave,
803
00:32:37,917 --> 00:32:39,042
and they refuse to leave.
804
00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:40,791
- I asked all the reporters
to leave off this yard.
805
00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:44,042
- I think that they decided
it's time to end it,
806
00:32:44,125 --> 00:32:46,375
and I think that Wayne Williams
807
00:32:46,459 --> 00:32:48,000
got the lucky ticket.
808
00:32:48,083 --> 00:32:50,000
- Mr. Williams, why have you
asked for us to leave?
809
00:32:50,083 --> 00:32:51,209
- No comment.
810
00:32:51,292 --> 00:32:54,334
- He was being a pain
in the butt to the police.
811
00:32:54,417 --> 00:32:57,334
♪ ♪
812
00:32:57,417 --> 00:33:00,583
- ABC News has learned
Slaton yielded yesterday
813
00:33:00,666 --> 00:33:02,875
under extreme outside pressure.
814
00:33:02,958 --> 00:33:05,750
♪ ♪
815
00:33:05,833 --> 00:33:07,000
- I will say that
816
00:33:07,083 --> 00:33:08,500
there was no...
817
00:33:08,583 --> 00:33:11,334
that pressure or politics
818
00:33:11,417 --> 00:33:15,708
did not figure in
to the timing at all.
819
00:33:15,791 --> 00:33:18,000
♪ ♪
820
00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:20,666
- It was Father's Day,
June 21st, 1981.
821
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:22,833
I heard the door knock,
822
00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:23,875
and my mom said,
823
00:33:23,958 --> 00:33:24,875
"Wayne, you gotta come out here.
824
00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:26,541
I need to see you."
825
00:33:26,625 --> 00:33:29,375
Walked into the family room,
and they said, "Mr. Williams."
826
00:33:29,459 --> 00:33:32,083
I said, "Yes,"
and Mary walked into the area.
827
00:33:32,167 --> 00:33:33,708
And I said,
"What's this about?"
828
00:33:33,791 --> 00:33:35,875
And she said, "Well, Wayne,
they come to arrest you.
829
00:33:35,958 --> 00:33:37,417
You need to go with 'em."
830
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:38,666
And...
831
00:33:40,292 --> 00:33:41,708
Everything stopped.
832
00:33:41,791 --> 00:33:44,417
My world--everything
just stopped at that point.
833
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,334
[solemn music]
834
00:33:46,417 --> 00:33:48,459
I-I can't even describe
how I felt.
835
00:33:49,625 --> 00:33:52,833
I can remember how my mom
started crying and all.
836
00:33:52,917 --> 00:33:54,708
I can remember that.
837
00:33:54,791 --> 00:33:59,541
And that was the longest
five minutes--
838
00:33:59,625 --> 00:34:01,750
one of the longest five minutes
of my life.
839
00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:08,875
♪ ♪
840
00:34:13,209 --> 00:34:16,292
- Williams was arrested
for the strangulation murder
841
00:34:16,375 --> 00:34:18,625
of 27-year-old Nathaniel Cater,
842
00:34:18,708 --> 00:34:20,500
the 28th and last victim.
843
00:34:21,833 --> 00:34:24,250
- Nathaniel Cater lived
in this apartment complex
844
00:34:24,334 --> 00:34:26,583
on Verbena Street Northwest
with his father
845
00:34:26,666 --> 00:34:28,917
up until four months
before he was murdered.
846
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,042
He moved out on his own,
847
00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:32,083
but came back often for visits.
848
00:34:32,167 --> 00:34:33,750
The apartment is
just a few blocks
849
00:34:33,833 --> 00:34:36,083
from Wayne Williams' home
on Penelope Road.
850
00:34:36,167 --> 00:34:37,459
[indistinct chatter]
851
00:34:37,541 --> 00:34:39,541
- Get out of the way there.
852
00:34:39,625 --> 00:34:41,417
[engine turns over]
853
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,167
[desolate music]
854
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:45,666
- Williams was also charged
855
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:47,375
with the murder of
another victim,
856
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,292
21-year-old Jimmy Ray Payne.
857
00:34:49,375 --> 00:34:50,791
♪ ♪
858
00:34:50,875 --> 00:34:53,791
- Payne lived here with
his sister on Magnolia Street.
859
00:34:53,875 --> 00:34:57,750
He was last seen going to
the Omni to sell some coins.
860
00:34:57,833 --> 00:35:01,167
♪ ♪
861
00:35:01,250 --> 00:35:03,625
- Once we heard that
he was being charged
862
00:35:03,708 --> 00:35:05,958
with the murder of two men,
863
00:35:06,042 --> 00:35:07,125
it all fell apart for us.
864
00:35:07,209 --> 00:35:08,125
Okay, well,
865
00:35:08,209 --> 00:35:09,334
where's the solution
866
00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:11,583
to these dozens of children?
867
00:35:11,666 --> 00:35:12,583
- You know, "That's it."
868
00:35:12,666 --> 00:35:13,583
It's--you know,
869
00:35:13,666 --> 00:35:14,583
"We found the killer,
870
00:35:14,666 --> 00:35:15,958
and that's it."
871
00:35:16,042 --> 00:35:17,125
You know,
872
00:35:17,209 --> 00:35:19,334
but that really wasn't it.
873
00:35:19,417 --> 00:35:21,750
- Some Atlanta youngsters
participating
874
00:35:21,833 --> 00:35:24,000
in the Safe Summer program
said they feel
875
00:35:24,083 --> 00:35:26,125
only a little safer now.
876
00:35:26,209 --> 00:35:30,500
- Because it was more
than one child being killed,
877
00:35:30,583 --> 00:35:33,292
and they don't know
if he killed them all.
878
00:35:33,375 --> 00:35:36,459
So it still could be
more than one killer out there.
879
00:35:36,541 --> 00:35:38,375
[somber music]
880
00:35:38,459 --> 00:35:40,042
- I'm seven years old.
881
00:35:40,125 --> 00:35:42,167
The police have made an arrest.
882
00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:44,625
The cops had him,
taking a perp walk,
883
00:35:44,708 --> 00:35:45,833
and they showed him.
884
00:35:45,917 --> 00:35:48,625
And I'm looking,
and I don't what I--I drop
885
00:35:48,708 --> 00:35:50,083
whatever I had.
886
00:35:50,167 --> 00:35:52,541
And I'm like, "Son of a bitch.
887
00:35:53,583 --> 00:35:56,083
"That's the guy.
888
00:35:56,167 --> 00:35:58,375
"That's the guy
who was coming up the stairs
889
00:35:58,459 --> 00:35:59,500
"at Miss Willie Mae's.
890
00:35:59,583 --> 00:36:01,625
That's him."
891
00:36:01,708 --> 00:36:05,334
I had a--I this crazy sense of
calm that came over me,
892
00:36:05,417 --> 00:36:10,125
because I knew--I knew that
they had the son of a bitch.
893
00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:13,875
♪ ♪
894
00:36:13,958 --> 00:36:16,708
- I'd never tried a murder case,
895
00:36:16,791 --> 00:36:20,541
but I knew how to put
a team together.
896
00:36:20,625 --> 00:36:22,541
- I get a call
from Mary Welcome.
897
00:36:22,625 --> 00:36:25,375
There was no other case like it
at that point in history,
898
00:36:25,459 --> 00:36:30,000
that had that many
alleged homicides involved.
899
00:36:30,083 --> 00:36:33,666
[upbeat music]
900
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:35,459
I'm in my 30s.
901
00:36:35,541 --> 00:36:37,708
At that point,
I'd probably tried
902
00:36:37,791 --> 00:36:39,917
20 or 30 homicide cases,
903
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,875
conducted hundreds
of preliminary hearings
904
00:36:43,958 --> 00:36:47,083
and several direct appeals
to the Georgia Supreme Court.
905
00:36:47,167 --> 00:36:50,083
♪ ♪
906
00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:54,750
♪ ♪
907
00:36:54,833 --> 00:36:58,917
I was well equipped to try
and defend a criminal case
908
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,292
and especially a homicide case.
909
00:37:02,292 --> 00:37:06,209
- William Northrop
volunteered his time.
910
00:37:06,292 --> 00:37:08,459
- I was after the facts.
911
00:37:08,541 --> 00:37:10,083
I wanted to know
912
00:37:10,167 --> 00:37:13,583
if there was
prosecution evidence
913
00:37:13,666 --> 00:37:16,167
that could tie Wayne to
914
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:19,708
the two murders
he was charged with.
915
00:37:19,791 --> 00:37:22,125
♪ ♪
916
00:37:22,209 --> 00:37:24,292
[cameras snapping]
917
00:37:24,375 --> 00:37:25,750
- How's it going, Wayne?
918
00:37:25,833 --> 00:37:27,833
- Wayne was an unusual person
919
00:37:27,917 --> 00:37:30,334
and a very difficult client.
920
00:37:31,833 --> 00:37:34,083
One day,
I was visiting him in jail,
921
00:37:34,167 --> 00:37:35,833
and I said, "Wayne,
is there anything
922
00:37:35,917 --> 00:37:37,459
that I can get for you?"
923
00:37:37,541 --> 00:37:41,666
He said he wanted to see
his boys in his band.
924
00:37:42,833 --> 00:37:44,292
I said, "You don't need this."
925
00:37:44,375 --> 00:37:46,917
But it was just easier
to give in.
926
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,917
[upbeat R&B music]
927
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,375
♪ ♪
928
00:37:53,459 --> 00:37:54,791
Young men came in.
929
00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:57,625
He told them, "Are you keeping
your grades up?
930
00:37:57,708 --> 00:37:59,334
"Are you practicing?
931
00:37:59,417 --> 00:38:01,958
"We need to figure out
what kind of uniforms
932
00:38:02,042 --> 00:38:03,833
you're gonna have
for the band."
933
00:38:03,917 --> 00:38:07,791
His focus was everywhere
but on...
934
00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:09,042
on this case.
935
00:38:10,583 --> 00:38:11,958
[door closes]
936
00:38:12,042 --> 00:38:13,500
It was--it was difficult.
937
00:38:15,583 --> 00:38:17,292
- What's the next step
at this point?
938
00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:19,708
[indistinct chatter]
939
00:38:19,791 --> 00:38:21,833
- Well, I'm not making
any comments at all.
940
00:38:21,917 --> 00:38:25,625
Tony, I think,
wanted to have... control.
941
00:38:25,708 --> 00:38:27,167
He wanted to call the shots.
942
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:30,833
He said, "The more time
we give the prosecution,
943
00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:32,875
"the more time they are
going to be able
944
00:38:32,958 --> 00:38:34,459
to tighten up their case."
945
00:38:34,541 --> 00:38:38,167
My position was:
we need to slow this case down.
946
00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:40,209
This was my client,
947
00:38:40,292 --> 00:38:42,666
and I was not giving up control
948
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,292
of the overall strategy.
949
00:38:45,375 --> 00:38:48,583
It really became
confrontational.
950
00:38:51,042 --> 00:38:54,000
Wayne's position is:
neither of you are in control.
951
00:38:54,083 --> 00:38:55,167
[laughs]
952
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:56,250
I control.
953
00:38:57,666 --> 00:38:59,875
- Three months before
the trial started,
954
00:38:59,958 --> 00:39:02,666
Mary and Wayne
made the decision that
955
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:04,125
they would try the case
without me.
956
00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:09,250
Wayne was the man
behind the curtain,
957
00:39:09,334 --> 00:39:10,791
full of himself.
958
00:39:12,417 --> 00:39:15,000
I had never been with someone
959
00:39:15,083 --> 00:39:17,209
at that young age
960
00:39:17,292 --> 00:39:19,250
that had that much control
961
00:39:19,334 --> 00:39:21,375
with saying, "This is who I am,"
962
00:39:21,459 --> 00:39:23,417
and then say,
"No, that's not who I am.
963
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:24,958
Let me just tell you who I am."
964
00:39:25,958 --> 00:39:28,666
Playing the part
several different ways,
965
00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:30,833
I'd never had that happen
before.
966
00:39:32,042 --> 00:39:33,750
- Wayne Williams had fired
Tony Axam,
967
00:39:33,833 --> 00:39:35,209
who was a very good lawyer.
968
00:39:35,292 --> 00:39:37,666
So we were a little bit
baffled by that,
969
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:39,917
'cause this was in October,
970
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,791
and by that time,
the trial was now scheduled
971
00:39:42,875 --> 00:39:44,917
to start at the end of December.
972
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,583
- Joe Drolet is well known
for his knowledge of case law.
973
00:39:48,666 --> 00:39:50,583
He's expected to play
a major role
974
00:39:50,666 --> 00:39:52,541
in the examination of witnesses,
975
00:39:52,625 --> 00:39:54,958
making sure
the prosecution's every move
976
00:39:55,042 --> 00:39:57,541
is on firm legal ground.
977
00:39:57,625 --> 00:40:00,250
- The strategy was
to present the evidence
978
00:40:00,334 --> 00:40:03,459
in such a way that the jury
would understand
979
00:40:03,541 --> 00:40:05,417
the significance of it
980
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:08,375
and know that all these
things together
981
00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:10,625
pointed directly
at Wayne Williams.
982
00:40:12,292 --> 00:40:15,209
[dynamic music]
983
00:40:15,292 --> 00:40:18,708
♪ ♪
984
00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:21,666
[indistinct chatter]
985
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:23,750
- Good morning.
- Good morning, Mary.
986
00:40:23,833 --> 00:40:25,292
- Good morning.
How are you?
987
00:40:25,375 --> 00:40:27,000
Good morning.
Good morning.
988
00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:29,292
- Even Ms. Welcome admits
her experience
989
00:40:29,375 --> 00:40:32,750
as a criminal trial lawyer
is not particularly impressive.
990
00:40:32,833 --> 00:40:35,000
So she was joined
on the defense team
991
00:40:35,083 --> 00:40:39,000
by Alvin Binder
of Jackson, Mississippi.
992
00:40:39,083 --> 00:40:40,833
His horn-rimmed glasses, cigar,
993
00:40:40,917 --> 00:40:44,000
and somewhat brusque manner
had become his trademarks.
994
00:40:45,541 --> 00:40:47,625
- Delay the start of the trial?
- No, sir.
995
00:40:47,708 --> 00:40:48,958
- Al Binder came in...
996
00:40:49,042 --> 00:40:51,292
- When the judge bangs
that gavel, we'll be ready.
997
00:40:51,375 --> 00:40:53,083
- Good ol' Southern boy...
- I hope.
998
00:40:53,167 --> 00:40:55,125
- And he said, "This is the way
I'm gonna handle this.
999
00:40:55,209 --> 00:40:57,459
"I'm gonna go in and say,"
1000
00:40:57,541 --> 00:41:00,292
you know, "How dare you,"
you know,
1001
00:41:00,375 --> 00:41:02,375
"do this to a human being?
1002
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:03,875
"And this is unjust,
1003
00:41:03,958 --> 00:41:06,167
and this is a violation
of his rights."
1004
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:07,917
He was dynamic.
1005
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,875
And we said, "You go, person."
1006
00:41:14,083 --> 00:41:16,500
- In Atlanta, Wayne Williams
goes on trial today
1007
00:41:16,583 --> 00:41:19,375
charged with committing two
of the 28 murders
1008
00:41:19,459 --> 00:41:20,958
that terrorized that city.
1009
00:41:21,042 --> 00:41:23,500
We have more from Bonnie Erbé.
1010
00:41:23,583 --> 00:41:26,042
- Today's opening of
the trial of Wayne Williams,
1011
00:41:26,125 --> 00:41:28,750
the only person charged
with any of slayings,
1012
00:41:28,833 --> 00:41:31,459
will churn emotions
in a city almost healed.
1013
00:41:31,541 --> 00:41:33,334
[solemn music]
1014
00:41:33,417 --> 00:41:35,708
- 15 deputies assigned
to the Williams trial
1015
00:41:35,791 --> 00:41:37,833
had been given
special medical training
1016
00:41:37,917 --> 00:41:40,209
to help them deal
with any emergency
1017
00:41:40,292 --> 00:41:41,833
which might come up.
1018
00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:43,833
Trauma training, could this be
1019
00:41:43,917 --> 00:41:45,375
in case there was an explosion?
1020
00:41:45,459 --> 00:41:47,958
You are preparing yourself
for that possibility?
1021
00:41:48,042 --> 00:41:49,375
- Yes,
we are preparing for that,
1022
00:41:49,459 --> 00:41:52,083
but it was still
just a basic first aid course.
1023
00:41:52,167 --> 00:41:54,500
[siren wailing]
1024
00:41:54,583 --> 00:41:56,083
- When the trial started,
1025
00:41:56,167 --> 00:41:59,167
it was sort of
a surreal experience,
1026
00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:02,583
because... it almost felt like
1027
00:42:02,666 --> 00:42:05,583
I was in a trial in a movie.
1028
00:42:05,666 --> 00:42:07,875
And I know that
all these people are actors,
1029
00:42:07,958 --> 00:42:09,541
and I'm an actor too.
1030
00:42:09,625 --> 00:42:10,917
- Good morning.
How are you?
1031
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,375
- You're becoming
the Diana Ross of Atlanta.
1032
00:42:13,459 --> 00:42:15,209
- [laughs]
- What did--what did you say?
1033
00:42:15,292 --> 00:42:17,708
- Are you becoming
the Diana Ross of Atlanta?
1034
00:42:17,791 --> 00:42:19,708
- Um, no.
- Every time I run into you--
1035
00:42:19,791 --> 00:42:21,708
- Every time I check my purse,
I don't have her money.
1036
00:42:21,791 --> 00:42:22,708
- [laughs]
1037
00:42:22,791 --> 00:42:26,083
[dramatic music]
1038
00:42:26,167 --> 00:42:28,250
- On a big day like this,
they make extra seats
1039
00:42:28,334 --> 00:42:29,583
in the courtroom for the press.
1040
00:42:29,666 --> 00:42:32,417
So they're only about
50 available for spectators.
1041
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,750
- Stay in line.
Stay single file.
1042
00:42:35,833 --> 00:42:36,791
- At 7:00 this morning,
1043
00:42:36,875 --> 00:42:38,417
there were more than 300 people
1044
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:39,583
crammed in this lobby,
1045
00:42:39,666 --> 00:42:42,625
hoping to get a shot
at one of those seats.
1046
00:42:42,708 --> 00:42:45,125
Also here, three mothers
whose children are
1047
00:42:45,209 --> 00:42:47,250
on the task force list.
1048
00:42:47,334 --> 00:42:49,917
- I don't think I would
forget that feeling,
1049
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,250
because you're talking
about hundreds of people.
1050
00:42:54,334 --> 00:42:56,000
You couldn't hear nothing.
1051
00:42:57,334 --> 00:43:00,958
You could hear
all these breathing voices.
1052
00:43:02,334 --> 00:43:06,417
And then you had
the cameras in the courthouse.
1053
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:10,459
And, um--and then reporters
wanted to hear from us
1054
00:43:10,541 --> 00:43:13,541
once they found out that
we was the parents, you know.
1055
00:43:13,625 --> 00:43:14,958
So when we came out
the courthouse,
1056
00:43:15,042 --> 00:43:17,209
you know, soon as we stepped
out the room, they start,
1057
00:43:17,292 --> 00:43:19,791
you know, putting the cameras
all in our faces.
1058
00:43:19,875 --> 00:43:22,125
- If he get charged
for the two killings
1059
00:43:22,209 --> 00:43:24,958
that they are charging him with,
1060
00:43:25,042 --> 00:43:26,750
what about the other kids?
1061
00:43:26,833 --> 00:43:28,958
The other 27 kids.
1062
00:43:29,042 --> 00:43:31,125
[indistinct chatter]
1063
00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:33,791
That's--that's what
I would like to know.
1064
00:43:33,875 --> 00:43:37,292
What they gonna do
about the other kids?
1065
00:43:37,375 --> 00:43:39,750
- I was asked several times,
did I know any of the victims.
1066
00:43:39,833 --> 00:43:42,417
No, I didn't.
I've never met any of them.
1067
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:44,417
I didn't kill Nathaniel Cater,
1068
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,750
Jimmy Ray Payne,
or anybody else.
1069
00:43:47,833 --> 00:43:49,500
There basically was
no evidence against me.
1070
00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:51,125
I hadn't killed anybody.
1071
00:43:51,209 --> 00:43:52,666
[indistinct chatter]
1072
00:43:52,750 --> 00:43:57,292
- During the trial, I was under
a lot of pressure, stress.
1073
00:43:57,375 --> 00:44:00,125
- What time did you guys get
down here this morning?
1074
00:44:00,209 --> 00:44:03,000
- 6:30.
- When'd you get down here?
1075
00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:05,334
I remember one time
that we went to court,
1076
00:44:05,417 --> 00:44:07,334
there was a table
1077
00:44:07,417 --> 00:44:11,417
with one chair behind it
for me...
1078
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:15,708
and all these white men
in suits.
1079
00:44:15,791 --> 00:44:18,833
And I looked at that,
and I said, "Oh, my God.
1080
00:44:18,917 --> 00:44:22,334
What am I gonna have
to contend with?"
1081
00:44:22,417 --> 00:44:25,375
[despondent music]
1082
00:44:25,459 --> 00:44:29,500
♪ ♪
1083
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:31,875
- In Atlanta today,
the jury in the murder trial
1084
00:44:31,958 --> 00:44:33,917
of Wayne Williams was
led to the bridge
1085
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,875
from which Williams allegedly
disposed of the body
1086
00:44:36,958 --> 00:44:38,083
of one of the victims.
1087
00:44:38,167 --> 00:44:40,583
♪ ♪
1088
00:44:40,666 --> 00:44:41,917
- Judge Cooper allowed us
1089
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,375
to take the jury to the bridge.
1090
00:44:45,459 --> 00:44:48,875
We wanted the jury to visualize
our argument,
1091
00:44:48,958 --> 00:44:52,083
that Wayne could not have
1092
00:44:52,167 --> 00:44:54,083
stopped on the bridge.
1093
00:44:54,167 --> 00:44:56,833
♪ ♪
1094
00:44:56,917 --> 00:44:58,541
- The took us out on the bridge.
1095
00:44:58,625 --> 00:44:59,500
They showed us where they
1096
00:44:59,583 --> 00:45:02,292
thought the splash happened.
1097
00:45:02,375 --> 00:45:05,917
They showed us where they
apprehended him out there.
1098
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,209
♪ ♪
1099
00:45:09,292 --> 00:45:11,125
- Why was Wayne Williams
on the bridge?
1100
00:45:12,708 --> 00:45:16,083
Wayne claims he's out there
to see Cheryl Johnson.
1101
00:45:16,167 --> 00:45:18,666
The mysterious Cheryl Johnson
that no one
1102
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:21,750
has ever found in 38 years.
1103
00:45:21,833 --> 00:45:24,334
He crossed the bridge
'cause he was dropping a body.
1104
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:27,250
- Picture this in your mind.
1105
00:45:27,334 --> 00:45:29,375
He'd have to get out of the car,
1106
00:45:29,459 --> 00:45:31,125
go to the back of the car,
1107
00:45:31,209 --> 00:45:34,417
open the trunk,
pull the body out,
1108
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:35,791
toss it over the bridge,
1109
00:45:35,875 --> 00:45:38,750
and then get back in his car...
1110
00:45:38,833 --> 00:45:41,292
close the trunk
and close his door
1111
00:45:41,375 --> 00:45:42,375
and then go up.
1112
00:45:42,459 --> 00:45:45,125
Now you--just imagine how long
that would take.
1113
00:45:46,666 --> 00:45:49,791
At the trial,
the officers testified
1114
00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:52,791
they never saw the car stopped.
1115
00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:55,292
♪ ♪
1116
00:45:55,375 --> 00:45:57,791
- The defense contends
that this expansion joint
1117
00:45:57,875 --> 00:46:00,125
in the bridge would have
alerted police lookouts
1118
00:46:00,209 --> 00:46:01,958
to the presence of Williams' car
1119
00:46:02,042 --> 00:46:04,375
before he had the chance
to dump a body,
1120
00:46:04,459 --> 00:46:05,875
if in fact he did.
1121
00:46:07,583 --> 00:46:10,125
- There is a separation
in that bridge
1122
00:46:10,209 --> 00:46:12,209
where you could hear
"ka-plunk."
1123
00:46:13,708 --> 00:46:15,625
- Every time a car
went over that bridge--
1124
00:46:15,708 --> 00:46:17,625
and we checked this all out--
1125
00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:19,292
greater than five miles
an hour, it went,
1126
00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:20,541
"ka-clank, ka-clank."
1127
00:46:20,625 --> 00:46:23,459
[thudding]
1128
00:46:23,541 --> 00:46:26,000
It drove the cops
under the bridge to go crazy.
1129
00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:28,334
They heard no clank that night,
1130
00:46:28,417 --> 00:46:30,459
which means he coasted
onto the bridge
1131
00:46:30,541 --> 00:46:32,500
going under five miles an hour.
1132
00:46:33,666 --> 00:46:34,666
When they looked up
on the bridge,
1133
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:35,958
the headlights weren't moving.
1134
00:46:36,042 --> 00:46:37,917
So the car must have
been stopped.
1135
00:46:39,209 --> 00:46:40,334
And he gets out, and he...
1136
00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:41,334
[whistles]
1137
00:46:41,417 --> 00:46:43,209
Just pulls the body
out of the trunk
1138
00:46:43,292 --> 00:46:45,541
and just drags him,
throws him off the bridge.
1139
00:46:45,625 --> 00:46:47,167
[water trickling]
1140
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:48,666
Then after the splash,
1141
00:46:48,750 --> 00:46:50,209
the headlights started
to move slowly.
1142
00:46:50,292 --> 00:46:52,375
[insects chirping]
1143
00:46:52,459 --> 00:46:54,500
- I mean, do you know
what deadweight is like?
1144
00:46:54,583 --> 00:46:57,083
I couldn't imagine
Wayne picking up deadweight,
1145
00:46:57,167 --> 00:46:59,334
because he was a small person
in stature,
1146
00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:01,292
and he didn't have muscles.
1147
00:47:01,375 --> 00:47:03,666
- He didn't have to pick
the body up.
1148
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:06,167
He just had to drag
the foot over out the back of
1149
00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:07,708
the station wagon.
1150
00:47:07,791 --> 00:47:09,708
You don't have to pick it up.
You have to drag it.
1151
00:47:09,791 --> 00:47:12,000
You can drag--I can drag
anybody in this room.
1152
00:47:12,083 --> 00:47:14,666
- I know a guy in the FBI
that's about Wayne's size,
1153
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:16,708
and he's the strongest man
I ever met in my life.
1154
00:47:16,791 --> 00:47:18,875
- Listen, man, you know
a lot of strong guys
1155
00:47:18,958 --> 00:47:20,167
that are really tiny guys.
1156
00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:22,459
Strength got nothing to do
with your size.
1157
00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:24,750
- I have no question
in my mind that he could have
1158
00:47:24,833 --> 00:47:27,917
leveraged a body
over the bridge.
1159
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,042
The guardrails of the bridge
were only 2 1/2, 3 feet high.
1160
00:47:32,125 --> 00:47:34,541
- Wayne had chosen his bridge
carefully.
1161
00:47:34,625 --> 00:47:36,541
He probably used that bridge
before.
1162
00:47:36,625 --> 00:47:38,708
[dramatic music]
1163
00:47:38,791 --> 00:47:40,791
- Had I have tried that case,
1164
00:47:40,875 --> 00:47:43,541
we would have had
a 160-pound pig
1165
00:47:43,625 --> 00:47:45,833
in the courtroom, dead.
1166
00:47:45,917 --> 00:47:48,708
I would have had Wayne stand up
in front of the jury
1167
00:47:48,791 --> 00:47:51,791
with a barrier erected
the size of that bridge
1168
00:47:51,875 --> 00:47:55,708
and watch you try to lift
160 pounds of deadweight,
1169
00:47:55,791 --> 00:47:57,167
throw it over a bridge.
1170
00:47:57,250 --> 00:48:00,541
♪ ♪
1171
00:48:00,625 --> 00:48:02,958
- They wanted to believe
I was some type of Superman
1172
00:48:03,042 --> 00:48:06,125
that could kidnap somebody,
1173
00:48:06,209 --> 00:48:08,292
kill them in my house, car,
or wherever,
1174
00:48:08,375 --> 00:48:10,583
put 'em back in this car
and go dump the bodies
1175
00:48:10,666 --> 00:48:12,125
without any evidence being left.
1176
00:48:12,209 --> 00:48:13,917
Come on, that's ridiculous.
1177
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000
- Defense attorneys launched
an aggressive attack on
1178
00:48:17,083 --> 00:48:19,541
prosecution evidence today
as testimony started
1179
00:48:19,625 --> 00:48:22,083
in the Atlanta murder trial
of Wayne Williams.
1180
00:48:22,167 --> 00:48:24,459
A medical examiner today
took the stand
1181
00:48:24,541 --> 00:48:26,292
and conceded that
he could not prove
1182
00:48:26,375 --> 00:48:29,708
that one of Williams' alleged
victims was indeed murdered.
1183
00:48:31,292 --> 00:48:33,625
- First thing I wanted to do
was find out
1184
00:48:33,708 --> 00:48:36,750
whether we really did have
a legal, medical murder.
1185
00:48:36,833 --> 00:48:39,917
[ominous music]
1186
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,459
It was clearly evident
Nathaniel Cater had been
1187
00:48:43,541 --> 00:48:46,167
in the water more than two days.
1188
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:47,583
♪ ♪
1189
00:48:47,666 --> 00:48:50,334
If you look at
the medical examiner's report,
1190
00:48:50,417 --> 00:48:54,958
it says he's been in the water
for at least a week.
1191
00:48:55,042 --> 00:48:57,417
A police recruit heard a splash,
1192
00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:01,666
and two days later,
Cater's body was found.
1193
00:49:01,750 --> 00:49:03,917
♪ ♪
1194
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,083
Two days?
No.
1195
00:49:07,708 --> 00:49:10,083
Far, far more.
1196
00:49:10,167 --> 00:49:13,125
- Medical examiners can tell
whether a body has been
1197
00:49:13,209 --> 00:49:16,500
in the water
for more than two days.
1198
00:49:16,583 --> 00:49:18,666
You can tell
by the decomposition.
1199
00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:22,958
Two days to a week-plus,
1200
00:49:23,042 --> 00:49:24,791
that's absolutely too far apart.
1201
00:49:24,875 --> 00:49:26,833
♪ ♪
1202
00:49:26,917 --> 00:49:28,625
Somebody is lying.
1203
00:49:28,708 --> 00:49:30,209
It doesn't make sense.
1204
00:49:31,583 --> 00:49:34,334
- Let me specifically
point out something.
1205
00:49:34,417 --> 00:49:36,666
I mean, it's pretty clear.
1206
00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:41,209
Dr. Zaki says, "summation of
autopsy findings for
1207
00:49:41,292 --> 00:49:44,541
Jimmy Ray Payne"--
the second victim--
1208
00:49:44,625 --> 00:49:48,167
"had it not been
for other killings,
1209
00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:50,833
he "in all probability
would have ruled the death
1210
00:49:50,917 --> 00:49:52,250
an accidental drowning."
1211
00:49:54,083 --> 00:49:57,459
Jimmy Ray Payne was
21 years old.
1212
00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:01,750
He was found floating
in the Chattahoochee.
1213
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,958
He was in the typical floater
position,
1214
00:50:06,042 --> 00:50:09,625
which is the position your body
absorbs when you drown.
1215
00:50:10,625 --> 00:50:13,209
He'd been in the water
for quite some time.
1216
00:50:13,292 --> 00:50:16,000
He had skin slippage,
which means that
1217
00:50:16,083 --> 00:50:19,000
the outside layer
of the skin dissolved.
1218
00:50:20,583 --> 00:50:23,250
He was found in swim trunks.
1219
00:50:23,334 --> 00:50:25,625
Seemed to me that he drowned.
1220
00:50:26,625 --> 00:50:29,541
I didn't believe that this was
1221
00:50:29,625 --> 00:50:32,833
a legal, medical murder.
1222
00:50:32,917 --> 00:50:36,375
- Dr. Saleh Zaki admitted
he could not positively say
1223
00:50:36,459 --> 00:50:37,750
Jimmy Ray Payne was dead
1224
00:50:37,833 --> 00:50:39,541
when he entered
the Chattahoochee River.
1225
00:50:39,625 --> 00:50:41,000
During cross-examination,
1226
00:50:41,083 --> 00:50:43,417
Alvin Binder asked Zaki, quote,
1227
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,292
"You cannot say that man
was not alive
1228
00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:47,750
when he entered the water?"
1229
00:50:47,833 --> 00:50:50,666
Zaki said,
"Based on the autopsy, no."
1230
00:50:51,958 --> 00:50:54,250
- Jimmy Ray Payne's autopsy
1231
00:50:54,334 --> 00:50:57,125
was first listed
as undetermined.
1232
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,583
And then it was changed
1233
00:51:00,666 --> 00:51:01,583
to homicide.
1234
00:51:01,666 --> 00:51:05,209
Dr. Saleh Zaki allegedly
1235
00:51:05,292 --> 00:51:07,459
changed the cause of death
1236
00:51:07,541 --> 00:51:09,500
after Wayne was arrested,
1237
00:51:09,583 --> 00:51:12,625
due to pressure
from prosecutors.
1238
00:51:14,167 --> 00:51:16,583
- He changes it
because it was wrong.
1239
00:51:16,666 --> 00:51:19,791
Because there were two
different death certificates,
1240
00:51:19,875 --> 00:51:22,875
it became a huge argument
for the defense.
1241
00:51:22,958 --> 00:51:24,666
♪ ♪
1242
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,375
- I've practiced law
for over 40-plus years.
1243
00:51:28,666 --> 00:51:33,000
That is the only case
that I have a memory of
1244
00:51:33,083 --> 00:51:35,625
where the autopsy was changed
1245
00:51:35,708 --> 00:51:39,459
from undetermined to a homicide.
1246
00:51:39,541 --> 00:51:40,500
It is so rare.
1247
00:51:40,583 --> 00:51:42,833
It is an extraordinarily rare
occurrence.
1248
00:51:42,917 --> 00:51:44,292
- How you doing?
- Hello.
1249
00:51:44,375 --> 00:51:48,791
- We're only fighting
two alleged murder cases
1250
00:51:48,875 --> 00:51:51,125
at this point in time.
1251
00:51:51,209 --> 00:51:53,209
So we felt pretty safe.
1252
00:51:54,375 --> 00:51:56,292
- Williams is charged
only with two of
1253
00:51:56,375 --> 00:51:59,167
the 28 murders on
the special task force list,
1254
00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:01,459
but the prosecution
wants to introduce evidence
1255
00:52:01,541 --> 00:52:04,000
linking Williams
to ten additional victims,
1256
00:52:04,083 --> 00:52:06,750
including one whose name
was never on the list.
1257
00:52:06,833 --> 00:52:08,292
♪ ♪
1258
00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:10,209
- Big mistake.
1259
00:52:10,292 --> 00:52:13,209
[dramatic music]
1260
00:52:13,292 --> 00:52:20,292
♪ ♪
1261
00:52:48,292 --> 00:52:50,292
[bright tone]
1262
00:52:52,375 --> 00:52:54,083
MAN: The state built its case
1263
00:52:54,417 --> 00:52:57,000
that if Wayne Williams
killed one,
1264
00:52:57,459 --> 00:52:58,625
he killed them all.
1265
00:52:59,417 --> 00:53:01,459
MAN 2: The prosecution claimed
that the fiber
1266
00:53:01,541 --> 00:53:02,917
in Wayne's carpet was rare.
1267
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,167
It was all fake math,
1268
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:06,541
and they presented it
to the jury as hard facts.
1269
00:53:06,625 --> 00:53:08,708
OFFICER: Twenty-three cases
were boxed up.
1270
00:53:08,791 --> 00:53:10,791
That is shockingly negligent.
1271
00:53:10,875 --> 00:53:15,250
There was somebody interfering
in the decision-making process.
1272
00:53:15,334 --> 00:53:16,875
MAN 3: He dropped
a body off a bridge,
1273
00:53:16,958 --> 00:53:19,250
he got convicted,
he's gonna die in prison.
1274
00:53:19,917 --> 00:53:21,375
That's a success story.
1275
00:53:21,459 --> 00:53:23,292
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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