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We don't know. 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,459 WAYNE WILLIAMS: This isn't just about me clearing my name. 10 00:00:25,541 --> 00:00:27,917 This is about getting some justice. 11 00:00:28,375 --> 00:00:29,917 God willing, let's make it happen. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 13 00:00:31,791 --> 00:00:33,209 [TV static drones] 14 00:00:33,292 --> 00:00:35,292 [bright tone] 15 00:00:42,625 --> 00:00:45,625 ["Save Me" by Joan Armatrading playing] 16 00:00:45,708 --> 00:00:46,917 ♪ ♪ 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,083 - ♪ Sinking ♪ 18 00:00:50,167 --> 00:00:54,791 ♪ Caught up in a whirling motion ♪ 19 00:00:54,875 --> 00:00:58,625 ♪ Such a strange sensation ♪ 20 00:00:58,708 --> 00:01:02,167 ♪ ♪ 21 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:06,791 ♪ The currents uncertain ♪ 22 00:01:06,875 --> 00:01:10,625 ♪ Like sails of a mill, I spin ♪ 23 00:01:12,625 --> 00:01:15,583 ♪ Like wheels, I move in a circle ♪ 24 00:01:15,666 --> 00:01:18,583 ♪ While you stand ♪ 25 00:01:18,666 --> 00:01:21,583 ♪ On the bank ♪ 26 00:01:21,666 --> 00:01:26,500 ♪ Immune or evasive ♪ 27 00:01:26,583 --> 00:01:28,500 ♪ Throw me a lifeline ♪ 28 00:01:28,583 --> 00:01:31,625 ♪ Save me ♪ 29 00:01:31,708 --> 00:01:33,083 ♪ ♪ 30 00:01:33,167 --> 00:01:37,917 ♪ Save me ♪ 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,750 ♪ ♪ 32 00:01:42,833 --> 00:01:46,250 [ominous music] 33 00:01:46,334 --> 00:01:53,250 ♪ ♪ 34 00:01:53,334 --> 00:01:55,958 - Another major story we're following tonight. 35 00:01:56,042 --> 00:01:57,791 A stunning turn of events as families 36 00:01:57,875 --> 00:02:01,541 of the Atlanta Child Murders gather to talk about the case. 37 00:02:01,625 --> 00:02:03,459 - The prime suspect called in from prison 38 00:02:03,541 --> 00:02:05,292 and maintained his innocence. 39 00:02:05,375 --> 00:02:07,666 This all happened with victims' families 40 00:02:07,750 --> 00:02:09,250 right there in the room. 41 00:02:18,917 --> 00:02:21,917 [indistinct chatter] 42 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:26,125 - I'm Lou Arcangeli. - Jarvis Miller. 43 00:02:26,209 --> 00:02:27,459 - Jarvis? - Miller. 44 00:02:27,541 --> 00:02:29,209 - Miller. Hello, Mr. Miller. 45 00:02:29,292 --> 00:02:33,666 I really hate that they let Wayne Williams... 46 00:02:33,750 --> 00:02:35,791 tease us and taunt us. 47 00:02:35,875 --> 00:02:39,500 Every level of jurisprudence has reviewed this case 48 00:02:39,583 --> 00:02:44,042 multiple times, and they've always found he's guilty. 49 00:02:44,125 --> 00:02:47,334 - I have half of APD's case files... 50 00:02:47,417 --> 00:02:48,541 - Okay. 51 00:02:48,625 --> 00:02:52,375 - And over 16 kids had at least one Caucasian hair 52 00:02:52,459 --> 00:02:53,708 on their body somewhere. 53 00:02:53,791 --> 00:02:55,042 That don't mean the person killed 'em... 54 00:02:55,125 --> 00:02:56,875 - No. - But someone else could have 55 00:02:56,958 --> 00:02:58,042 been the killer. 56 00:02:58,125 --> 00:02:59,875 - Mr. Miller, you raise good points. 57 00:02:59,958 --> 00:03:03,000 It's just that the jury found it overwhelming. 58 00:03:03,083 --> 00:03:05,042 - Well, we stick there-- we considered the time... 59 00:03:05,125 --> 00:03:06,708 it was a very, very different time, 60 00:03:06,791 --> 00:03:09,042 and the culture of the city was very, very different. 61 00:03:09,125 --> 00:03:11,000 - Agreed. - I'm just saying, 62 00:03:11,083 --> 00:03:13,209 we have to--we have to count that in, 63 00:03:13,292 --> 00:03:15,750 that the culture of the time was very, very different. 64 00:03:16,958 --> 00:03:20,042 [dramatic music] 65 00:03:20,125 --> 00:03:22,666 - They feel that these black children 66 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:25,000 are not important! 67 00:03:25,083 --> 00:03:27,583 But I firmly believe 68 00:03:27,666 --> 00:03:30,167 at the root of it all is racism. 69 00:03:30,250 --> 00:03:33,666 [crowd murmuring] 70 00:03:33,750 --> 00:03:37,417 - In 1981, the image of Atlanta was 71 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:40,083 being transmitted globally around the world, 72 00:03:40,167 --> 00:03:42,750 and the only thing people heard about Atlanta was 73 00:03:42,833 --> 00:03:45,583 "children are dying," "children are dying." 74 00:03:45,666 --> 00:03:47,958 People all over the world began to say, 75 00:03:48,042 --> 00:03:50,541 "What in the world are you all doing? 76 00:03:50,625 --> 00:03:53,791 "How can you not protect our children 77 00:03:53,875 --> 00:03:56,791 "in a community with these black elected officials, 78 00:03:56,875 --> 00:04:00,083 "a black mayor, black chief of police? 79 00:04:00,167 --> 00:04:02,541 What in the world are you all doing in Atlanta?" 80 00:04:02,625 --> 00:04:04,250 ♪ ♪ 81 00:04:04,334 --> 00:04:06,833 - Patrick Rogers' death has hit his family hard. 82 00:04:06,917 --> 00:04:08,459 Seven-year-old Isaac Rogers, 83 00:04:08,541 --> 00:04:10,541 who nicknamed his brother "Pat-man," 84 00:04:10,625 --> 00:04:12,583 was the last to see him alive. 85 00:04:14,375 --> 00:04:15,666 - I was seven years old at the time. 86 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:18,625 So now my brother, he's gone, 87 00:04:18,708 --> 00:04:20,791 my mother is a wreck, 88 00:04:20,875 --> 00:04:21,750 and they haven't caught 89 00:04:21,833 --> 00:04:23,292 this person. 90 00:04:23,375 --> 00:04:25,750 And there was this one time we decided to go 91 00:04:25,833 --> 00:04:27,958 to Miss Willie Mae's house to get some junk food. 92 00:04:28,042 --> 00:04:30,625 We came out of Miss Willie Mae's apartment, 93 00:04:30,708 --> 00:04:33,459 and right as I stepped down on the first step, 94 00:04:33,541 --> 00:04:35,000 there's a grown man. 95 00:04:35,083 --> 00:04:36,500 I have never seen him before, 96 00:04:36,583 --> 00:04:38,666 and he's looking up the stairs at us, 97 00:04:38,750 --> 00:04:43,250 and he starts to come up the stairs slow, deliberate. 98 00:04:43,334 --> 00:04:44,625 And so I turn around, 99 00:04:44,708 --> 00:04:46,666 and I rush back to Miss Willie Mae's door. 100 00:04:46,750 --> 00:04:51,000 Had Miss Willie Mae been 10 seconds, 20 seconds later 101 00:04:51,083 --> 00:04:53,209 in opening that door, my mother would have had 102 00:04:53,292 --> 00:04:55,833 two kids murdered by this guy. 103 00:04:55,917 --> 00:04:57,875 ♪ ♪ 104 00:04:57,958 --> 00:04:59,708 - I remember driving home one night and saying, 105 00:04:59,791 --> 00:05:01,708 "This is scary. 106 00:05:01,791 --> 00:05:05,167 I mean, he's out there. No one has a clue." 107 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:07,209 [foreboding music] 108 00:05:07,292 --> 00:05:08,334 You know, I could count. 109 00:05:08,417 --> 00:05:09,833 I said, "It's eight days since the last victim. 110 00:05:09,917 --> 00:05:11,625 We're gonna have one next two--one or two days." 111 00:05:11,708 --> 00:05:13,334 Sure enough, kid goes missing, 112 00:05:13,417 --> 00:05:15,042 couple days later, the body found. 113 00:05:15,125 --> 00:05:21,917 ♪ ♪ 114 00:05:28,083 --> 00:05:30,209 - When I started with the task force, 115 00:05:30,292 --> 00:05:32,334 these were clearly... 116 00:05:32,417 --> 00:05:33,666 dumped cases. 117 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:34,666 They were victims 118 00:05:34,750 --> 00:05:35,917 who were placed. 119 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,541 So doesn't look like we're gonna find 120 00:05:38,625 --> 00:05:41,583 shoe prints and tire prints or fingerprints. 121 00:05:43,250 --> 00:05:45,000 So trace evidence on the victims 122 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:48,750 was gonna be a critical aspect of the investigation, 123 00:05:48,833 --> 00:05:50,375 because they might reveal 124 00:05:50,459 --> 00:05:52,875 the most recent place the victims were 125 00:05:52,958 --> 00:05:54,417 before they were killed. 126 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:56,583 - Criminologists at the State Crime Lab 127 00:05:56,666 --> 00:06:00,209 compare and match fibers, rope or fabric, for instance, 128 00:06:00,292 --> 00:06:02,042 from different sources 129 00:06:02,125 --> 00:06:04,209 and are working under the assumption 130 00:06:04,292 --> 00:06:08,500 the fibers could be the first link with a suspect. 131 00:06:08,583 --> 00:06:11,541 Sources tell us the crime lab now has possession of 132 00:06:11,625 --> 00:06:13,042 all the clothing found with the children 133 00:06:13,125 --> 00:06:14,875 on the task force list. 134 00:06:14,958 --> 00:06:17,791 - I started finding dog hair, 135 00:06:17,875 --> 00:06:20,083 violet acetate fibers, 136 00:06:20,167 --> 00:06:22,417 and also these unusual, 137 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:24,708 distinctive green carpet fibers 138 00:06:24,791 --> 00:06:27,417 showing up on multiple victims. 139 00:06:27,500 --> 00:06:30,583 I grew in confidence that they were important. 140 00:06:30,666 --> 00:06:31,917 - Larry said, 141 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,209 "If you find this environment, 142 00:06:33,292 --> 00:06:35,000 you have found your killer." 143 00:06:36,167 --> 00:06:38,000 - There was a point where the paper published 144 00:06:38,083 --> 00:06:41,417 a story saying the task force had recovered 145 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:44,125 hair and fiber evidence. 146 00:06:44,209 --> 00:06:46,417 And then after that, 147 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:49,583 victims started showing up in rivers. 148 00:06:49,666 --> 00:06:51,209 This was evidence 149 00:06:51,292 --> 00:06:53,875 that there was potentially 150 00:06:53,958 --> 00:06:56,042 a single murderer. 151 00:06:56,125 --> 00:06:58,250 - Joseph Bell, Curtis Walker, 152 00:06:58,334 --> 00:06:59,958 and Aaron Jackson were found 153 00:07:00,042 --> 00:07:02,167 in or near the South River. 154 00:07:02,250 --> 00:07:04,292 Patrick Rogers, Eddie Duncan, 155 00:07:04,375 --> 00:07:05,417 and Timothy Hill 156 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:07,625 were all found in the Chattahoochee River. 157 00:07:07,708 --> 00:07:10,459 Theory: water washes away any evidence 158 00:07:10,541 --> 00:07:12,958 and no crime scene can be established. 159 00:07:13,042 --> 00:07:14,666 [grim music] 160 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:16,459 - The fear was palpable, 161 00:07:16,541 --> 00:07:19,625 because at that point, we knew he was reacting 162 00:07:19,708 --> 00:07:21,500 to what he was reading. 163 00:07:21,583 --> 00:07:23,167 And then I realized we're dealing with 164 00:07:23,250 --> 00:07:24,500 a single killer that-- 165 00:07:24,583 --> 00:07:27,334 'cause he is--he's playing a game with us. 166 00:07:28,334 --> 00:07:30,292 - He appeared to be learning. 167 00:07:30,375 --> 00:07:34,375 This was a killer whose behaviors changed 168 00:07:34,459 --> 00:07:36,625 based on experience, 169 00:07:36,708 --> 00:07:41,167 and then the victims got older as time went on. 170 00:07:41,250 --> 00:07:42,958 - From the time the murders began 171 00:07:43,042 --> 00:07:44,708 in July of 1979, 172 00:07:44,791 --> 00:07:47,375 the victims were all under the age of 16. 173 00:07:47,459 --> 00:07:50,167 In the last month, that common characteristic 174 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:51,666 has undergone a change: 175 00:07:51,750 --> 00:07:54,209 all have been considerably older. 176 00:07:54,292 --> 00:07:57,666 ♪ ♪ 177 00:07:57,750 --> 00:08:00,209 - Most of the serial killers that we know of 178 00:08:00,292 --> 00:08:02,209 did change along the way. 179 00:08:02,292 --> 00:08:05,000 ♪ ♪ 180 00:08:05,083 --> 00:08:07,666 The MO changes because it has to 181 00:08:07,750 --> 00:08:09,833 for him to do the crime. 182 00:08:09,917 --> 00:08:12,666 They're always moving... 183 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:15,500 more and more violent. 184 00:08:15,583 --> 00:08:17,125 Always. 185 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:22,541 - Jimmy Payne's body was found late yesterday afternoon 186 00:08:22,625 --> 00:08:23,666 in the Chattahoochee River. 187 00:08:23,750 --> 00:08:25,541 just north of Bankhead Highway. 188 00:08:25,625 --> 00:08:27,583 He is the fifth victim to be discovered 189 00:08:27,666 --> 00:08:29,500 in the Chattahoochee. 190 00:08:29,583 --> 00:08:32,209 - Another similarity in many of these cases: 191 00:08:32,292 --> 00:08:35,250 few clues and a lot of dead ends. 192 00:08:35,334 --> 00:08:37,666 [cameras snapping] 193 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:39,083 - My initial thought was, 194 00:08:39,167 --> 00:08:41,500 "If I were trying to get rid of a body, 195 00:08:41,583 --> 00:08:43,209 "the last thing I'd wanna do is 196 00:08:43,292 --> 00:08:44,917 "drive down to the bank 197 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,042 of the river." 198 00:08:46,125 --> 00:08:48,167 [somber music] 199 00:08:48,250 --> 00:08:50,250 You could leave tire tracks. You could get seen. 200 00:08:50,334 --> 00:08:52,083 You could get stuck. 201 00:08:52,917 --> 00:08:56,125 I said, "I'll bet you that I would drop 'em off a bridge." 202 00:08:57,292 --> 00:08:59,541 Pull up, get out, drop. 203 00:08:59,625 --> 00:09:01,334 Three seconds later, I'm back in the car. 204 00:09:01,417 --> 00:09:02,666 I'm gone. 205 00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:04,583 And I said, "We should set up our surveillance 206 00:09:04,666 --> 00:09:05,917 on the bridge." 207 00:09:06,833 --> 00:09:10,417 - Agent Mike McComas said, "We wanna watch the bridges. 208 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:11,791 We think he's throwing the body off the bridges." 209 00:09:11,875 --> 00:09:13,167 And I looked at him, and I said, 210 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:14,583 "Are you guys crazy? 211 00:09:14,666 --> 00:09:16,750 "Do you know how many bridges there are in Atlanta? 212 00:09:16,833 --> 00:09:17,917 "There's hundreds. 213 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,125 How you know you're gonna have the right bridge?" 214 00:09:20,209 --> 00:09:21,500 And then they said, 215 00:09:21,583 --> 00:09:23,750 "Do you have a better idea, dumbass?" 216 00:09:23,833 --> 00:09:26,375 And I said to them, "No, I don't, right now." 217 00:09:26,459 --> 00:09:27,708 I said, "Go for it." 218 00:09:28,750 --> 00:09:30,083 We said, "Let's try it for 30 days. 219 00:09:30,167 --> 00:09:32,250 We got nothing to lose. We got nothing else going." 220 00:09:32,334 --> 00:09:35,375 [suspenseful music] 221 00:09:35,459 --> 00:09:38,125 - We had 14 bridges under surveillance. 222 00:09:39,459 --> 00:09:41,417 And we were using police recruits 223 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:42,791 under the bridge. 224 00:09:42,875 --> 00:09:45,541 ♪ ♪ 225 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:48,417 - You had an officer on each end 226 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:51,000 and officers down below the bridge, next to the river. 227 00:09:51,083 --> 00:09:52,875 ♪ ♪ 228 00:09:52,958 --> 00:09:55,666 - And the FBI was serving as the chase vehicles 229 00:09:55,750 --> 00:09:56,750 on top of the bridges. 230 00:09:56,833 --> 00:09:59,292 ♪ ♪ 231 00:09:59,375 --> 00:10:05,000 - We burned somewhere around 140 to 145 people per night. 232 00:10:05,083 --> 00:10:07,500 ♪ ♪ 233 00:10:07,583 --> 00:10:10,791 - It was decided that this particular weekend 234 00:10:10,875 --> 00:10:14,459 will be the last week that we were going to keep 235 00:10:14,541 --> 00:10:15,750 the bridges under surveillance. 236 00:10:15,833 --> 00:10:17,917 [eerie music] 237 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,708 - That night, I was at the southernmost bridge. 238 00:10:23,042 --> 00:10:24,791 I was down there with a SWAT team guy 239 00:10:24,875 --> 00:10:26,334 with Atlanta PD. 240 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:30,334 ♪ ♪ 241 00:10:30,417 --> 00:10:32,459 I remember sitting in the car. 242 00:10:32,541 --> 00:10:34,000 The radio squelch broke, 243 00:10:34,083 --> 00:10:35,541 and I heard something about a splash. 244 00:10:35,625 --> 00:10:37,459 And of course, my ears perk up, 245 00:10:37,541 --> 00:10:38,666 and I start playing with the radio, 246 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:41,125 see what I can get, turn the volume up a little bit. 247 00:10:41,209 --> 00:10:42,541 - Ready at a 502. 248 00:10:44,250 --> 00:10:46,583 - The guys below hear a huge splash. 249 00:10:48,042 --> 00:10:49,334 - It was 3:00 in the morning, 250 00:10:49,417 --> 00:10:51,334 and you hear, "whoosh." 251 00:10:51,417 --> 00:10:53,708 [haunting music] 252 00:10:53,791 --> 00:10:55,125 - And then they looked up on the bridge, 253 00:10:55,209 --> 00:10:56,750 and they can see headlights. 254 00:10:57,583 --> 00:11:00,833 They're moving very slowly, were just starting to move. 255 00:11:00,917 --> 00:11:04,334 ♪ ♪ 256 00:11:04,417 --> 00:11:06,708 - I hollered over to the Atlanta SWAT guy, 257 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:07,791 "Get in the car, man. 258 00:11:07,875 --> 00:11:09,250 We need to run north real quick." 259 00:11:10,583 --> 00:11:12,292 I'm going up 285 North... 260 00:11:14,167 --> 00:11:15,708 And I look over on the southbound side 261 00:11:15,791 --> 00:11:16,750 on the ramp. 262 00:11:18,125 --> 00:11:20,209 And somebody's got lit up. There's a lot of blue lights. 263 00:11:20,292 --> 00:11:23,042 I pulled in front, and I walked back. 264 00:11:23,125 --> 00:11:24,583 I said, "What's going on?" 265 00:11:25,625 --> 00:11:27,625 They had already pulled someone over. 266 00:11:28,791 --> 00:11:30,500 I see his license. 267 00:11:30,583 --> 00:11:32,500 He was 23 years old, 268 00:11:32,583 --> 00:11:34,625 and his name was Wayne Williams. 269 00:11:35,958 --> 00:11:38,958 [indistinct chatter] 270 00:11:46,541 --> 00:11:47,541 - Hey. - Hello, gentlemen. 271 00:11:47,625 --> 00:11:48,708 How are you? - How are you doing? 272 00:11:48,791 --> 00:11:50,000 All righty. 273 00:11:50,083 --> 00:11:51,666 - [clears throat] 274 00:11:53,875 --> 00:11:55,167 [clears throat, sniffs] 275 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:58,583 There was never any incident on the bridge. 276 00:11:58,666 --> 00:12:00,541 I never stopped on the bridge. 277 00:12:00,625 --> 00:12:01,708 I never threw anything 278 00:12:01,791 --> 00:12:02,875 off the bridge, 279 00:12:02,958 --> 00:12:07,375 and nobody ever testified that I did. 280 00:12:07,459 --> 00:12:09,083 - There was maybe three or four cars, 281 00:12:09,167 --> 00:12:10,791 plus Wayne Williams' car. 282 00:12:10,875 --> 00:12:13,083 I pulled around 'em and pulled in front. 283 00:12:13,167 --> 00:12:14,791 First thing out of my mouth was--I said, 284 00:12:14,875 --> 00:12:16,625 "Do you--do you know why we pulled you over?" 285 00:12:16,708 --> 00:12:18,541 And he goes, "Yeah, it's got something to do with 286 00:12:18,625 --> 00:12:19,917 those missing kids." 287 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,417 And then immediately out of his mouth, he said, 288 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:25,583 "Yeah, you know, um, Channel 2..." 289 00:12:25,666 --> 00:12:29,209 he says, "They're covering this really well." 290 00:12:29,292 --> 00:12:30,583 And I thought, "How strange." 291 00:12:30,666 --> 00:12:32,875 He said, "I'm a talent scout, 292 00:12:32,958 --> 00:12:34,666 and I have an early morning appointment"-- 293 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:36,292 like 7:00 or 8:00-- 294 00:12:36,375 --> 00:12:40,583 "with Cheryl Johnson over at Spanish Trace Apartments." 295 00:12:40,666 --> 00:12:44,459 He said, "I'm out here trying to find her apartment." 296 00:12:44,541 --> 00:12:47,000 [dramatic music] 297 00:12:47,083 --> 00:12:48,917 That just wasn't believable. 298 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,417 Who goes out at 3:00 in the morning 299 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:52,917 for a four-hour--an appointment four hours later 300 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,459 just to ensure that he's not late? 301 00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:57,459 Just didn't cut it with me. 302 00:12:57,541 --> 00:13:00,125 - Two more cars of plainclothes officers 303 00:13:00,209 --> 00:13:01,125 came on the scene, 304 00:13:01,209 --> 00:13:03,167 and I recognized Captain Spence. 305 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:04,459 He was, at the time, 306 00:13:04,541 --> 00:13:07,334 head of Atlanta police SWAT team. 307 00:13:07,417 --> 00:13:08,459 He says, "I'm searching this car. 308 00:13:08,541 --> 00:13:09,500 You got a problem with it?" 309 00:13:09,583 --> 00:13:12,583 And I told him in no uncertain terms that 310 00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:14,625 he didn't have any permission to search my car. 311 00:13:14,708 --> 00:13:16,250 He informed he didn't need it. 312 00:13:16,334 --> 00:13:19,000 He was tired of my "S" and all this. 313 00:13:19,083 --> 00:13:22,500 He was dragging stuff all out on the seats and all. 314 00:13:22,583 --> 00:13:25,500 - I notice on the other side of Wayne was a pair of gloves. 315 00:13:25,583 --> 00:13:26,791 They were almost, like, 316 00:13:26,875 --> 00:13:29,250 suede-like gloves with wool liner, 317 00:13:29,334 --> 00:13:31,042 which I thought was just a little bit strange. 318 00:13:32,583 --> 00:13:33,666 - There was a set of gloves that stayed 319 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:35,167 in the glove compartment all the time, 320 00:13:35,250 --> 00:13:36,417 and that's exactly where they were. 321 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:37,833 And the way they got on the front seat 322 00:13:37,917 --> 00:13:39,292 when the other officers found them, 323 00:13:39,375 --> 00:13:41,042 Carl Holden had gone in the glove compartment, 324 00:13:41,125 --> 00:13:42,042 pulled the gloves out, 325 00:13:42,125 --> 00:13:43,500 and left them on the front seat. 326 00:13:43,583 --> 00:13:45,833 So when the second set of officers came to do the search, 327 00:13:45,917 --> 00:13:47,459 the gloves were laying on the front seat. 328 00:13:47,541 --> 00:13:49,167 ♪ ♪ 329 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:51,334 - As he gets out, I stepped to the back, 330 00:13:51,417 --> 00:13:53,500 and I see on the hump of the car, 331 00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:55,209 there was a nylon rope there 332 00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:57,042 that was like a ski rope. 333 00:13:57,125 --> 00:13:58,250 It was braided. 334 00:13:58,334 --> 00:14:00,583 ♪ ♪ 335 00:14:00,666 --> 00:14:02,000 - There's an embankment. 336 00:14:02,083 --> 00:14:04,083 They claim they found this wire, 337 00:14:04,167 --> 00:14:06,541 but that was a piece of wire, 338 00:14:06,625 --> 00:14:08,541 when they were looking around the area of the car, 339 00:14:08,625 --> 00:14:11,334 that was found up the embankment. 340 00:14:11,417 --> 00:14:13,209 And when he found it and picked it up, 341 00:14:13,292 --> 00:14:16,042 he said, "This would make a nice ligature, wouldn't it?" 342 00:14:16,125 --> 00:14:19,042 And I said, "Remember where you got that. 343 00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:21,708 It was here, not in the car." 344 00:14:21,791 --> 00:14:23,167 ♪ ♪ 345 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:26,209 I could hear the helicopter searching the river, 346 00:14:26,292 --> 00:14:28,833 and also, they were calling for some boat team 347 00:14:28,917 --> 00:14:30,334 to put in the river. 348 00:14:30,417 --> 00:14:32,042 So I stayed there, waiting on them 349 00:14:32,125 --> 00:14:34,417 to finish their river search for about another hour 350 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:37,042 till finally, one of 'em called and said, 351 00:14:37,125 --> 00:14:38,833 you know, "Zero in the river." 352 00:14:38,917 --> 00:14:40,083 Whatever that means. 353 00:14:40,167 --> 00:14:41,625 [unsettling percussive music] 354 00:14:41,708 --> 00:14:44,375 - We carried it as far as we could. 355 00:14:44,459 --> 00:14:46,958 We had suspicious reason to stop him, 356 00:14:47,042 --> 00:14:51,083 but we really didn't have enough to arrest him. 357 00:14:51,167 --> 00:14:53,459 So I ask the other guys, "Are you through back there?" 358 00:14:53,541 --> 00:14:54,417 And they went, "Yeah, we're done." 359 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:55,500 I said, "Okay." 360 00:14:55,583 --> 00:14:58,083 So I said, "Okay, you're free to go." 361 00:14:58,167 --> 00:15:00,833 - The FBI made the decision not to arrest him, 362 00:15:00,917 --> 00:15:03,583 because if you arrest this guy, 363 00:15:03,666 --> 00:15:04,583 you have just said, 364 00:15:04,666 --> 00:15:06,125 "This is the Atlanta-- 365 00:15:06,209 --> 00:15:07,500 the child killer." 366 00:15:07,583 --> 00:15:09,375 And you better have it right. 367 00:15:10,583 --> 00:15:11,750 - And then Captain Spence said, 368 00:15:11,833 --> 00:15:12,917 "Well, I guess you can go." 369 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,583 He said, "But I got you this time, little nigger." 370 00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:16,917 Quote, unquote. 371 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,917 [rain pattering] 372 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,625 [daunting music] 373 00:15:21,708 --> 00:15:22,917 - At first, we didn't think it was him, 374 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,125 and we would honestly think 375 00:15:24,209 --> 00:15:27,500 we could pretty much wash him out as a suspect. 376 00:15:27,583 --> 00:15:29,125 Looks like a little nerd, 377 00:15:29,209 --> 00:15:30,666 standing at--he's only about 5'7". 378 00:15:30,750 --> 00:15:32,292 He's not very big in stature. 379 00:15:32,375 --> 00:15:35,500 Spectacles and his Afro, he looks like Urkel, 380 00:15:35,583 --> 00:15:37,292 completely nonthreatening, 381 00:15:37,375 --> 00:15:40,334 and I'm saying to myself, "Get him out of here." 382 00:15:40,417 --> 00:15:42,750 And then two days after the splash, 383 00:15:42,833 --> 00:15:45,125 the body of the last victim, Nathaniel Cater, 384 00:15:45,209 --> 00:15:47,459 washed up about a mile and a half, 385 00:15:47,541 --> 00:15:49,125 two miles south of the bridge. 386 00:15:49,209 --> 00:15:51,167 [solemn music] 387 00:15:52,541 --> 00:15:54,708 - Sunday, the oldest victim yet was found 388 00:15:54,791 --> 00:15:56,125 in the Chattahoochee River, 389 00:15:56,209 --> 00:15:57,666 but investigators still don't believe 390 00:15:57,750 --> 00:16:00,583 the murderer or murderers are choosing victims at random. 391 00:16:00,666 --> 00:16:02,375 - Cater died just a couple of weeks 392 00:16:02,459 --> 00:16:04,625 before his 28th birthday. 393 00:16:04,708 --> 00:16:06,000 He was found in the Chattahoochee, 394 00:16:06,083 --> 00:16:07,958 near the I-285 Bridge. 395 00:16:08,042 --> 00:16:10,000 He had been dead several days. 396 00:16:10,083 --> 00:16:12,250 ♪ ♪ 397 00:16:12,334 --> 00:16:13,875 - When the body of Nathaniel Cater 398 00:16:13,958 --> 00:16:15,917 washed up south of the bridge, 399 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,666 we said, "I think Wayne Williams has a problem." 400 00:16:18,750 --> 00:16:20,167 And I said, "I think you're right." 401 00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:23,209 [dramatic music] 402 00:16:23,292 --> 00:16:29,125 ♪ ♪ 403 00:16:29,209 --> 00:16:32,500 - The FBI had developed really detailed profiles 404 00:16:32,583 --> 00:16:35,250 of what the suspect should be like. 405 00:16:36,666 --> 00:16:40,833 - One of the many profiles was of a single black male 406 00:16:40,917 --> 00:16:43,375 living with his parents. 407 00:16:43,459 --> 00:16:45,917 And they based that on victimology, 408 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,917 studying the victims, the environment of the victims. 409 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,958 ♪ ♪ 410 00:16:51,042 --> 00:16:53,042 - He would also be very conscious 411 00:16:53,125 --> 00:16:54,209 of the media coverage. 412 00:16:54,292 --> 00:16:56,334 He'd be very aware. 413 00:16:56,417 --> 00:16:58,167 He would be an ambulance chaser. 414 00:16:59,583 --> 00:17:01,042 And that was Wayne Williams. 415 00:17:01,125 --> 00:17:05,083 - And his car was all done up 416 00:17:05,167 --> 00:17:08,541 with lights and... 417 00:17:08,625 --> 00:17:10,042 it looked like a police car. 418 00:17:10,125 --> 00:17:12,417 ♪ ♪ 419 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:16,083 - Wayne had a police monitor in his car. 420 00:17:16,167 --> 00:17:17,083 People would say, 421 00:17:17,167 --> 00:17:18,083 "That's strange." 422 00:17:18,167 --> 00:17:19,083 Well, not if you're chasing 423 00:17:19,167 --> 00:17:20,209 news stories. 424 00:17:20,292 --> 00:17:22,750 Because he would listen to the police monitor, 425 00:17:22,833 --> 00:17:24,209 and when he heard something going off, 426 00:17:24,292 --> 00:17:26,750 he would jump in his car and take off flying 427 00:17:26,833 --> 00:17:28,417 with this big camera in the car 428 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,875 to go to try to get the news story. 429 00:17:30,958 --> 00:17:33,750 - It had been a detective car, had a scanner. 430 00:17:33,833 --> 00:17:35,917 There was a whip on the back and everything. 431 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,917 And he put the blue lights back in, 432 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,875 and he got arrested for having it. 433 00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:41,875 - Wayne was a police groupie. 434 00:17:41,958 --> 00:17:43,042 He would hang out 435 00:17:43,125 --> 00:17:44,417 with police officers. 436 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:46,083 ♪ ♪ 437 00:17:46,167 --> 00:17:48,750 He could easily have impersonated a police officer 438 00:17:48,833 --> 00:17:52,125 to overpower or to get these kids to get in his car. 439 00:17:52,209 --> 00:17:53,750 ♪ ♪ 440 00:17:53,833 --> 00:17:56,250 - We generated a list of 3,000 names, 441 00:17:56,334 --> 00:17:58,875 and the only criteria on the list was: 442 00:17:58,958 --> 00:18:01,334 person arrested for impersonating 443 00:18:01,417 --> 00:18:02,417 a police officer, 444 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:06,583 and race, gender were not criteria. 445 00:18:06,666 --> 00:18:08,125 Wayne Williams is on that list 446 00:18:08,209 --> 00:18:10,000 'cause he'd been arrested for impersonating 447 00:18:10,083 --> 00:18:11,500 a police officer earlier. 448 00:18:11,583 --> 00:18:13,167 ♪ ♪ 449 00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:15,459 However, I am convinced 450 00:18:15,541 --> 00:18:16,958 had we sent two agents out there-- 451 00:18:17,042 --> 00:18:19,292 even sent me out there-- we would have come back 452 00:18:19,375 --> 00:18:21,292 and said, "This is not the guy." 453 00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:22,917 And after we got our Wayne Williams, 454 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,334 then we looked at it and said, "Jeez, he fits the profile. 455 00:18:25,417 --> 00:18:26,625 He checks all the boxes." 456 00:18:26,708 --> 00:18:28,250 [somber music] 457 00:18:28,334 --> 00:18:31,791 - Okay, we're coming up. Remote one, sound and picture. 458 00:18:31,875 --> 00:18:35,000 - Ten seconds to the ID. - Ten to the ID. 459 00:18:35,083 --> 00:18:38,500 - Sometime after Wayne was stopped on the bridge, 460 00:18:38,583 --> 00:18:41,125 the anchor from Channel 2 461 00:18:41,209 --> 00:18:42,625 called me about 9:00 at night 462 00:18:42,708 --> 00:18:44,209 and said, "We--we've been told-- 463 00:18:44,292 --> 00:18:45,167 we have confirmation 464 00:18:45,250 --> 00:18:46,500 that there's a suspect." 465 00:18:50,250 --> 00:18:52,459 So I got to the FBI office in downtown 466 00:18:52,541 --> 00:18:54,334 because they detained somebody. 467 00:18:54,417 --> 00:18:57,167 [indistinct chatter] 468 00:18:57,250 --> 00:19:00,167 [alarm sounding] 469 00:19:00,250 --> 00:19:01,917 - Is there a suspect inside? 470 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 - The word is not "a suspect." 471 00:19:03,083 --> 00:19:05,708 There's been, uh--there's someone 472 00:19:05,791 --> 00:19:07,666 who has been interviewed since this afternoon. 473 00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:08,833 That's the official word, 474 00:19:08,917 --> 00:19:10,541 "interviewed since this afternoon." 475 00:19:12,042 --> 00:19:13,958 [cameras snapping] 476 00:19:14,042 --> 00:19:16,334 I get to the office, and I see this guy 477 00:19:16,417 --> 00:19:18,209 who was a photographer for a couple of 478 00:19:18,292 --> 00:19:20,666 the black newspapers in the city... 479 00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:22,000 Homer Williams. 480 00:19:22,083 --> 00:19:25,000 And I'm thinking, "This guy has the picture of this guy." 481 00:19:25,083 --> 00:19:28,000 And I said, "Homer, how did you manage this? 482 00:19:28,083 --> 00:19:30,083 And he said, "Well, it's my son. 483 00:19:30,167 --> 00:19:33,125 They're charging my son with littering." 484 00:19:33,209 --> 00:19:34,833 You know, I can't believe it. He kept saying... 485 00:19:34,917 --> 00:19:36,167 and finally, I said to him, 486 00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:38,167 "Homer, you need to stop talking to me, 487 00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:41,375 "because, you know, I represent the law people. 488 00:19:41,459 --> 00:19:43,292 I'm in the side of the government." 489 00:19:44,334 --> 00:19:46,417 - Wayne takes a lie detector test, 490 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:49,708 and the polygraph examiner shows him the results. 491 00:19:49,791 --> 00:19:51,541 And Wayne says, you know, "What's this one, 492 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:53,083 where there's a big spike?" 493 00:19:53,167 --> 00:19:54,209 And he said, "Well, that's 'Did you kill 494 00:19:54,292 --> 00:19:55,500 Nathanial Cater?'" 495 00:19:55,583 --> 00:19:56,708 "What's this one?" 496 00:19:56,791 --> 00:20:00,042 "That's 'Did you dump his body in the river?'" 497 00:20:00,125 --> 00:20:01,209 You know, and so forth. 498 00:20:01,292 --> 00:20:05,167 And the three of them are the three questions 499 00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:07,708 about whether or not he's the killer. 500 00:20:07,791 --> 00:20:09,334 ♪ ♪ 501 00:20:09,417 --> 00:20:12,917 - At that point, I knew I was a suspect. 502 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,583 There was no question. 503 00:20:14,666 --> 00:20:17,083 In my stupidity and naivete, 504 00:20:17,167 --> 00:20:20,750 I had hoped that by trying to cooperate with these people 505 00:20:20,833 --> 00:20:23,958 I could rationalize and explain some things, 506 00:20:24,042 --> 00:20:26,750 and I figured sooner or later, they'd leave me alone. 507 00:20:26,833 --> 00:20:29,500 [dramatic music] 508 00:20:29,583 --> 00:20:31,625 - I knew nothing about the bridge stakeouts. 509 00:20:31,708 --> 00:20:33,625 I knew nothing about the splash. 510 00:20:33,708 --> 00:20:36,583 I knew nothing about the bridge incident at all. 511 00:20:36,666 --> 00:20:38,791 I'd never heard the name Wayne Williams. 512 00:20:38,875 --> 00:20:40,583 ♪ ♪ 513 00:20:40,666 --> 00:20:42,708 I had been to the autopsy and collected fibers 514 00:20:42,791 --> 00:20:44,417 from Cater's body. 515 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:46,791 I found a green carpet fiber. 516 00:20:46,875 --> 00:20:50,417 That, to me, was a very strong indication that was a linkage 517 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:52,083 to the other victims. 518 00:20:52,167 --> 00:20:54,958 On June 3rd, my coworker and myself, 519 00:20:55,042 --> 00:20:57,459 we saw coming down the hallway 520 00:20:57,541 --> 00:20:59,334 a crime scene team from the FBI, 521 00:20:59,417 --> 00:21:01,125 been flown down from D.C. 522 00:21:01,209 --> 00:21:02,958 So that seemed very unusual, 523 00:21:03,042 --> 00:21:04,459 that there's something big going on. 524 00:21:04,541 --> 00:21:07,334 We were then informed that there was a suspect's vehicle 525 00:21:07,417 --> 00:21:09,334 in the basement of the federal building 526 00:21:09,417 --> 00:21:10,791 to be searched, and then I said, 527 00:21:10,875 --> 00:21:12,541 "Go get the crime scene equipment." 528 00:21:12,625 --> 00:21:15,459 So I left my coworker processing the car. 529 00:21:15,541 --> 00:21:18,167 And I left and went to the home. 530 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:25,250 ♪ ♪ 531 00:21:26,417 --> 00:21:29,583 There was already a camera crew at the scene, 532 00:21:29,666 --> 00:21:31,666 which I thought was kind of interesting. 533 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:36,541 ♪ ♪ 534 00:21:36,625 --> 00:21:40,875 Inside the house, there was a few detectives there, 535 00:21:40,958 --> 00:21:44,875 and then there was maybe four people from the FBI lab 536 00:21:44,958 --> 00:21:46,459 processing and doing different things 537 00:21:46,541 --> 00:21:47,459 inside the house. 538 00:21:47,541 --> 00:21:50,666 ♪ ♪ 539 00:21:50,750 --> 00:21:53,500 - In a ceiling panel, they found a slapjack. 540 00:21:53,583 --> 00:21:58,167 And a slapjack is a leather, flat device, 541 00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:02,541 maybe 10 inches long with lead inside. 542 00:22:02,625 --> 00:22:05,000 If you strike somebody in the head--you know, 543 00:22:05,083 --> 00:22:07,833 you hit 'em--hit 'em upside the head, so to speak, 544 00:22:07,917 --> 00:22:09,833 you can kill a person very, very easily, 545 00:22:09,917 --> 00:22:12,750 because you're hitting 'em with--in effect, 546 00:22:12,833 --> 00:22:15,000 like hitting with a lead pipe. 547 00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:17,708 [moody music] 548 00:22:17,791 --> 00:22:20,500 - There were boxes of slides of photos 549 00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:23,209 of young adults and what have you. 550 00:22:23,292 --> 00:22:24,541 I mean, there were a lot. 551 00:22:24,625 --> 00:22:26,417 Going through some of the slides, 552 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:29,209 I found the slide I thought looked like 553 00:22:29,292 --> 00:22:30,375 maybe one of the victims. 554 00:22:30,459 --> 00:22:32,833 And so one of the APD detectives 555 00:22:32,917 --> 00:22:36,000 was outside, and I wanted to show him the slide. 556 00:22:36,083 --> 00:22:37,417 We were both looking at the slide, 557 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:38,791 and Homer Williams came out 558 00:22:38,875 --> 00:22:41,375 and snatched the slide out of my hand 559 00:22:41,459 --> 00:22:44,042 and started going back into the house. 560 00:22:44,125 --> 00:22:46,583 ♪ ♪ 561 00:22:46,666 --> 00:22:49,042 - In the backyard, in the barbecue pit, 562 00:22:49,125 --> 00:22:52,541 according to neighbors, photographs had been burned 563 00:22:52,625 --> 00:22:55,250 early on the morning of May 22nd, 564 00:22:55,334 --> 00:22:58,042 after Wayne Williams left the bridge, 565 00:22:58,125 --> 00:23:00,417 when he was released and he went home. 566 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:03,250 And then in the early morning hours, 567 00:23:03,334 --> 00:23:05,083 he and his father were out burning photographs 568 00:23:05,167 --> 00:23:06,625 in the barbecue pit. 569 00:23:06,708 --> 00:23:09,791 ♪ ♪ 570 00:23:09,875 --> 00:23:11,958 - I saw there was wall-to-wall green carpet 571 00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:13,375 in several of the rooms. 572 00:23:13,459 --> 00:23:16,083 The bed was a violet and green bedspread. 573 00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:18,583 They had a German Shepherd dog. 574 00:23:18,666 --> 00:23:21,042 I--yeah, I had an intense feeling 575 00:23:21,125 --> 00:23:23,750 of "This is big. This is--this is it. 576 00:23:23,833 --> 00:23:26,375 This is gonna--this is what we've been looking for." 577 00:23:27,541 --> 00:23:29,833 So I collected some fiber samples... 578 00:23:31,167 --> 00:23:33,250 And I went back to the lab, 579 00:23:33,334 --> 00:23:35,459 and I put the fiber from the Williams' bedroom 580 00:23:35,541 --> 00:23:36,750 under the scope. 581 00:23:36,833 --> 00:23:39,209 It matched the violet acetate fibers. 582 00:23:41,042 --> 00:23:42,541 Then I looked at the green carpet. 583 00:23:43,708 --> 00:23:46,250 I knew instantly from crime scenes that 584 00:23:46,334 --> 00:23:48,125 that was the fiber. 585 00:23:48,209 --> 00:23:52,791 It was an absolute... 586 00:23:52,875 --> 00:23:54,833 eureka moment. 587 00:23:54,917 --> 00:23:56,583 - Bingo. 588 00:23:56,666 --> 00:23:58,083 This is unbelievable. 589 00:23:58,167 --> 00:24:01,334 This is--if this is not the source, 590 00:24:01,417 --> 00:24:02,958 I don't know what is. 591 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:04,292 [dramatic music] 592 00:24:04,375 --> 00:24:07,167 [indistinct chatter] 593 00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:11,750 ♪ ♪ 594 00:24:11,833 --> 00:24:13,500 - The way that they were treated. 595 00:24:13,583 --> 00:24:15,958 The way that authorities went into the house, 596 00:24:16,042 --> 00:24:19,459 tearing up the carpet in the house and the furniture... 597 00:24:19,541 --> 00:24:21,000 - The car. - The car. 598 00:24:21,083 --> 00:24:22,875 ♪ ♪ 599 00:24:22,958 --> 00:24:24,541 Mrs. Williams was very respectable people, 600 00:24:24,625 --> 00:24:28,791 both educators, very dignified and refined. 601 00:24:28,875 --> 00:24:31,708 Peace-loving people to be treated like that, 602 00:24:31,791 --> 00:24:34,459 it was just-- it was unbelievable. 603 00:24:34,541 --> 00:24:35,917 They were building this case. 604 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,209 They were going to implicate him 605 00:24:38,292 --> 00:24:39,209 by any means necessary, 606 00:24:39,292 --> 00:24:40,209 because they had to close 607 00:24:40,292 --> 00:24:41,209 the case. 608 00:24:41,292 --> 00:24:42,500 They had to do something, 609 00:24:42,583 --> 00:24:45,459 because not only Atlanta, 610 00:24:45,541 --> 00:24:49,375 but America was disturbed about what was going on-- 611 00:24:49,459 --> 00:24:50,708 the world even. 612 00:24:50,791 --> 00:24:53,167 ♪ ♪ 613 00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:55,250 - In one of the most tragic situations ever to strike 614 00:24:55,334 --> 00:24:56,459 an American city, 615 00:24:56,541 --> 00:24:58,708 President Reagan today took a direct hand 616 00:24:58,791 --> 00:25:00,000 in the Atlanta situation. 617 00:25:00,083 --> 00:25:03,292 - I want the people of Atlanta and the nation to know that 618 00:25:03,375 --> 00:25:06,666 this administration is doing and will continue to do 619 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,833 what we can to help bring an end to this tragedy. 620 00:25:09,917 --> 00:25:11,833 - What do you have to say to people who say that 621 00:25:11,917 --> 00:25:13,042 Washington would have moved quicker 622 00:25:13,125 --> 00:25:14,666 if those children had been white? 623 00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:16,875 - We moved as quickly as we could 624 00:25:16,958 --> 00:25:18,375 and were aware that there was a need. 625 00:25:18,459 --> 00:25:19,708 - The fact they were black didn't mean that 626 00:25:19,791 --> 00:25:22,209 you had less concern or you had--you moved slower? 627 00:25:22,292 --> 00:25:24,209 - No, Sam, I think there's one thing, 628 00:25:24,292 --> 00:25:26,917 and I wanna make one thing very plain. 629 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,541 This goes all the way back to the campaign: 630 00:25:29,625 --> 00:25:32,875 this administration is totally colorblind. 631 00:25:32,958 --> 00:25:35,875 [energetic music] 632 00:25:35,958 --> 00:25:42,958 ♪ ♪ 633 00:25:49,292 --> 00:25:51,209 - When he first called me, he said, 634 00:25:51,292 --> 00:25:54,459 "I think... I'm in trouble. 635 00:25:54,541 --> 00:25:58,334 "I think I need a lawyer, 636 00:25:58,417 --> 00:26:02,250 "and I know from your reputation 637 00:26:02,334 --> 00:26:04,583 that you are fearless." 638 00:26:04,666 --> 00:26:07,459 ♪ ♪ 639 00:26:07,541 --> 00:26:09,417 - Everybody knew Mary Welcome. 640 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,250 Mary was this crusading city solicitor 641 00:26:12,334 --> 00:26:13,250 protecting the city. 642 00:26:13,334 --> 00:26:15,250 - Back when Mary Welcome was 643 00:26:15,334 --> 00:26:17,083 a smut-fighting city solicitor, 644 00:26:17,167 --> 00:26:19,209 she earned the nickname "Wild Mary" 645 00:26:19,292 --> 00:26:20,583 for her determined efforts 646 00:26:20,666 --> 00:26:22,833 to close down Atlanta bathhouses. 647 00:26:23,666 --> 00:26:26,666 - That's in section 20-180 of the city code of Atlanta, 648 00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:29,125 which provides that any nuisance 649 00:26:29,209 --> 00:26:31,791 may be abated or removed by the judge 650 00:26:31,875 --> 00:26:33,833 of the Municipal Court of the City of Atlanta. 651 00:26:33,917 --> 00:26:35,375 ♪ ♪ 652 00:26:35,459 --> 00:26:39,334 - She was closing down all of the peep joints downtown 653 00:26:39,417 --> 00:26:41,791 and closing up the massage parlors. 654 00:26:41,875 --> 00:26:43,334 You know, going in... 655 00:26:43,417 --> 00:26:44,833 ♪ ♪ 656 00:26:44,917 --> 00:26:46,583 - We have closed the doors 657 00:26:46,666 --> 00:26:50,459 on every single bathhouse in this city. 658 00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:52,125 - Except for the Blue Fox. 659 00:26:52,209 --> 00:26:54,125 - Except--we've closed those doors too, 660 00:26:54,209 --> 00:26:56,292 but a higher court has said that they have right 661 00:26:56,375 --> 00:26:57,583 pending appeal. 662 00:26:57,666 --> 00:27:01,334 I have no doubt that they too will be closed very shortly. 663 00:27:01,417 --> 00:27:08,334 ♪ ♪ 664 00:27:09,417 --> 00:27:11,000 - Wayne wanted the publicity. 665 00:27:11,083 --> 00:27:13,167 He wanted the notoriety, 666 00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:14,167 and the selection 667 00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:16,167 of Mary Welcome fit 668 00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:18,209 with that narrative of Wayne 669 00:27:18,292 --> 00:27:19,833 wanting to be important 670 00:27:19,917 --> 00:27:22,292 and wanting everybody to know who he was. 671 00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:25,042 [tense music] 672 00:27:25,125 --> 00:27:26,250 ♪ ♪ 673 00:27:26,334 --> 00:27:29,209 [indistinct chatter] 674 00:27:29,292 --> 00:27:36,209 ♪ ♪ 675 00:27:36,292 --> 00:27:37,708 - After returning home, 676 00:27:37,791 --> 00:27:40,209 the young man conducted a news conference, 677 00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:42,666 setting the condition that he would not be shown 678 00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:44,375 and that his name not be used. 679 00:27:44,459 --> 00:27:48,042 - Had you thought a lot about this murder case? 680 00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:49,417 - Some of them might be connected, 681 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,375 but some of these kids are in places 682 00:27:51,459 --> 00:27:53,167 they don't have no business being at certain times 683 00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:54,417 of the day and night. 684 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:56,209 They're just running around in the streets wild. 685 00:27:56,292 --> 00:27:57,708 I'm saying when you're doing that, 686 00:27:57,791 --> 00:28:00,167 you're opening yourself up for all kinds of things. 687 00:28:00,250 --> 00:28:01,708 I just feel some of these parents 688 00:28:01,791 --> 00:28:04,417 just need to tighten up and get strict on the kids. 689 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,541 - But you didn't throw anything in the river? 690 00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:08,375 - No. - Even though they said that? 691 00:28:08,459 --> 00:28:12,209 - I told them that I dropped nothing in the river. 692 00:28:12,292 --> 00:28:15,334 One agent thought I slowed down to one mile an hour, 693 00:28:15,417 --> 00:28:17,125 and the two agents were saying 694 00:28:17,209 --> 00:28:18,791 they were not in a position to see. 695 00:28:19,917 --> 00:28:21,500 - Wayne holds a press conference 696 00:28:21,583 --> 00:28:23,250 in his house. 697 00:28:23,334 --> 00:28:26,500 And he hands out his resume... 698 00:28:26,583 --> 00:28:29,500 which shows he flies airplanes, 699 00:28:29,583 --> 00:28:32,541 and he's a race car driver, 700 00:28:32,625 --> 00:28:34,209 and all these other things, you know, that-- 701 00:28:34,292 --> 00:28:37,500 just absolute fiction. 702 00:28:37,583 --> 00:28:40,958 - Police, news reporters, an photographers smothered 703 00:28:41,042 --> 00:28:42,417 this quiet neighborhood. 704 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,500 The police said they were there to watch the man 705 00:28:44,583 --> 00:28:45,917 some call the prime suspect 706 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,875 mostly for his own protection, they said. 707 00:28:49,209 --> 00:28:51,917 - Williams himself did not exactly go into hiding. 708 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,625 - All right, everybody on this property-- 709 00:28:53,708 --> 00:28:56,459 I'm pressing against you two criminal trespass charges. 710 00:28:56,541 --> 00:28:58,042 [indistinct radio chatter] 711 00:28:58,125 --> 00:29:01,500 - They released Wayne to be hounded by media 712 00:29:01,583 --> 00:29:03,875 for the next weeks. 713 00:29:03,958 --> 00:29:05,917 [funky music] 714 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,417 [car horn honks] 715 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:12,917 ♪ ♪ 716 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,459 - He dangled himself. 717 00:29:14,541 --> 00:29:17,417 It was like--it was like he's a carrot. 718 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,500 "Look over here. 719 00:29:19,583 --> 00:29:21,125 Here I am." 720 00:29:21,209 --> 00:29:24,833 It's like he was waving at them, taunting them. 721 00:29:24,917 --> 00:29:27,791 ♪ ♪ 722 00:29:27,875 --> 00:29:31,459 My impression of Wayne was almost like a child, 723 00:29:31,541 --> 00:29:33,583 but parading in big boy clothes. 724 00:29:35,708 --> 00:29:36,791 [car horn honks] 725 00:29:36,875 --> 00:29:38,791 - Hey, Wayne, where you going? 726 00:29:38,875 --> 00:29:40,209 Wayne, where you going? 727 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:43,459 - Whenever he leaves his home, 728 00:29:43,541 --> 00:29:46,666 agents madly scramble into their cars and follow him. 729 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:50,625 The first car, the FBI; the second, the task force; 730 00:29:50,708 --> 00:29:53,125 the third, the FBI, 731 00:29:53,209 --> 00:29:55,209 and so it has gone all day. 732 00:29:56,708 --> 00:29:58,500 - Get out the way! - Homer. 733 00:29:58,583 --> 00:29:59,625 - Yeah. - Forget it. 734 00:29:59,708 --> 00:30:03,958 ♪ ♪ 735 00:30:04,042 --> 00:30:05,167 - You're gonna make a fool of yourself 736 00:30:05,250 --> 00:30:06,417 without talking to us. 737 00:30:08,583 --> 00:30:09,791 [camera snaps] 738 00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,292 - Mr. Williams, can you tell us 739 00:30:11,375 --> 00:30:13,125 why you're taking pictures of us? 740 00:30:13,209 --> 00:30:15,875 ♪ ♪ 741 00:30:15,958 --> 00:30:18,500 Mrs. Williams, what is your husband doing? 742 00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:21,875 ♪ ♪ 743 00:30:21,958 --> 00:30:23,500 - One of the nights that I was there, 744 00:30:23,583 --> 00:30:26,708 I heard Wayne yelling my name. "Angelo!" 745 00:30:26,791 --> 00:30:30,583 And I go, "Oh, shit. Oh, what do I do now?" 746 00:30:31,666 --> 00:30:33,334 He made an impassioned plea 747 00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:36,167 for the mayor to stop all this stuff, 748 00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:38,167 and I said, "I will pass the message." 749 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:39,459 And I--and I did. 750 00:30:39,541 --> 00:30:41,833 - Good morning. - How is everybody? 751 00:30:41,917 --> 00:30:43,417 - Good morning. Mr. Slaton. - Morning. 752 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,334 Good morning. - Morning, sir. 753 00:30:45,417 --> 00:30:47,042 - District Attorney Lewis Slaton 754 00:30:47,125 --> 00:30:49,459 decided last night there was not enough evidence 755 00:30:49,541 --> 00:30:50,875 to charge the man. 756 00:30:50,958 --> 00:30:52,000 - No arrest warrants 757 00:30:52,083 --> 00:30:53,417 have been contemplated 758 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:54,917 in the immediate future, 759 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,209 and that's just where we stand. 760 00:30:56,292 --> 00:30:58,541 - Lewis Slaton had been the District Attorney 761 00:30:58,625 --> 00:31:01,708 in Fulton County for many years, 762 00:31:01,791 --> 00:31:05,167 and I think his reluctance was due to the fact 763 00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:07,500 that he didn't have any evidence. 764 00:31:07,583 --> 00:31:08,917 There's an old adage: 765 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,708 a good prosecutor can indict 766 00:31:10,791 --> 00:31:12,042 a ham sandwich. 767 00:31:12,125 --> 00:31:13,000 Well, after you get him 768 00:31:13,083 --> 00:31:14,417 indicted, 769 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,583 what are you gonna do if you don't have any evidence 770 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:18,083 to support your allegation? 771 00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:19,875 [tense music] 772 00:31:19,958 --> 00:31:22,125 - The FBI wanted to arrest this person 773 00:31:22,209 --> 00:31:23,541 in connection with the child murders, 774 00:31:23,625 --> 00:31:25,750 but local authorities refused. 775 00:31:25,833 --> 00:31:28,042 There was a sharp disagreement over whether or not 776 00:31:28,125 --> 00:31:30,292 arrest warrants should be issued. 777 00:31:30,375 --> 00:31:32,459 - Lewis Slaton kept saying, 778 00:31:32,541 --> 00:31:35,083 "I don't have sufficient evidence 779 00:31:35,167 --> 00:31:37,083 to charge Wayne Williams." 780 00:31:37,167 --> 00:31:38,708 He kept saying that publicly. 781 00:31:38,791 --> 00:31:40,875 ♪ ♪ 782 00:31:40,958 --> 00:31:43,750 - My sources told me about a meeting 783 00:31:43,833 --> 00:31:44,958 at the Governor's Mansion. 784 00:31:45,042 --> 00:31:47,292 ♪ ♪ 785 00:31:47,375 --> 00:31:49,083 It included the FBI 786 00:31:49,167 --> 00:31:50,750 and the U.S. Attorney's Office, 787 00:31:50,833 --> 00:31:52,541 the Georgia attorney general, 788 00:31:52,625 --> 00:31:56,666 and representatives of the task force. 789 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,833 That meeting with Lewis Slaton went on for seven hours 790 00:32:00,917 --> 00:32:02,250 on that Friday. 791 00:32:02,334 --> 00:32:06,000 [dramatic music] 792 00:32:06,083 --> 00:32:10,375 George Bush wanted the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office 793 00:32:10,459 --> 00:32:14,417 and state and local officials to be in the same room. 794 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,791 Clearly, having the meeting at the mansion, 795 00:32:17,875 --> 00:32:19,791 there was a message. 796 00:32:19,875 --> 00:32:24,791 - Slaton's taken inside and told... 797 00:32:24,875 --> 00:32:27,000 "We're gonna bring charges if you don't." 798 00:32:27,083 --> 00:32:30,083 - The FBI and everybody else 799 00:32:30,167 --> 00:32:32,167 was being embarrassed 800 00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:33,791 internationally 801 00:32:33,875 --> 00:32:35,917 by the murders. 802 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,833 - Officer, he's asked them to leave, 803 00:32:37,917 --> 00:32:39,042 and they refuse to leave. 804 00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:40,791 - I asked all the reporters to leave off this yard. 805 00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:44,042 - I think that they decided it's time to end it, 806 00:32:44,125 --> 00:32:46,375 and I think that Wayne Williams 807 00:32:46,459 --> 00:32:48,000 got the lucky ticket. 808 00:32:48,083 --> 00:32:50,000 - Mr. Williams, why have you asked for us to leave? 809 00:32:50,083 --> 00:32:51,209 - No comment. 810 00:32:51,292 --> 00:32:54,334 - He was being a pain in the butt to the police. 811 00:32:54,417 --> 00:32:57,334 ♪ ♪ 812 00:32:57,417 --> 00:33:00,583 - ABC News has learned Slaton yielded yesterday 813 00:33:00,666 --> 00:33:02,875 under extreme outside pressure. 814 00:33:02,958 --> 00:33:05,750 ♪ ♪ 815 00:33:05,833 --> 00:33:07,000 - I will say that 816 00:33:07,083 --> 00:33:08,500 there was no... 817 00:33:08,583 --> 00:33:11,334 that pressure or politics 818 00:33:11,417 --> 00:33:15,708 did not figure in to the timing at all. 819 00:33:15,791 --> 00:33:18,000 ♪ ♪ 820 00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:20,666 - It was Father's Day, June 21st, 1981. 821 00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:22,833 I heard the door knock, 822 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:23,875 and my mom said, 823 00:33:23,958 --> 00:33:24,875 "Wayne, you gotta come out here. 824 00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:26,541 I need to see you." 825 00:33:26,625 --> 00:33:29,375 Walked into the family room, and they said, "Mr. Williams." 826 00:33:29,459 --> 00:33:32,083 I said, "Yes," and Mary walked into the area. 827 00:33:32,167 --> 00:33:33,708 And I said, "What's this about?" 828 00:33:33,791 --> 00:33:35,875 And she said, "Well, Wayne, they come to arrest you. 829 00:33:35,958 --> 00:33:37,417 You need to go with 'em." 830 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:38,666 And... 831 00:33:40,292 --> 00:33:41,708 Everything stopped. 832 00:33:41,791 --> 00:33:44,417 My world--everything just stopped at that point. 833 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,334 [solemn music] 834 00:33:46,417 --> 00:33:48,459 I-I can't even describe how I felt. 835 00:33:49,625 --> 00:33:52,833 I can remember how my mom started crying and all. 836 00:33:52,917 --> 00:33:54,708 I can remember that. 837 00:33:54,791 --> 00:33:59,541 And that was the longest five minutes-- 838 00:33:59,625 --> 00:34:01,750 one of the longest five minutes of my life. 839 00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:08,875 ♪ ♪ 840 00:34:13,209 --> 00:34:16,292 - Williams was arrested for the strangulation murder 841 00:34:16,375 --> 00:34:18,625 of 27-year-old Nathaniel Cater, 842 00:34:18,708 --> 00:34:20,500 the 28th and last victim. 843 00:34:21,833 --> 00:34:24,250 - Nathaniel Cater lived in this apartment complex 844 00:34:24,334 --> 00:34:26,583 on Verbena Street Northwest with his father 845 00:34:26,666 --> 00:34:28,917 up until four months before he was murdered. 846 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,042 He moved out on his own, 847 00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:32,083 but came back often for visits. 848 00:34:32,167 --> 00:34:33,750 The apartment is just a few blocks 849 00:34:33,833 --> 00:34:36,083 from Wayne Williams' home on Penelope Road. 850 00:34:36,167 --> 00:34:37,459 [indistinct chatter] 851 00:34:37,541 --> 00:34:39,541 - Get out of the way there. 852 00:34:39,625 --> 00:34:41,417 [engine turns over] 853 00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,167 [desolate music] 854 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:45,666 - Williams was also charged 855 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:47,375 with the murder of another victim, 856 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,292 21-year-old Jimmy Ray Payne. 857 00:34:49,375 --> 00:34:50,791 ♪ ♪ 858 00:34:50,875 --> 00:34:53,791 - Payne lived here with his sister on Magnolia Street. 859 00:34:53,875 --> 00:34:57,750 He was last seen going to the Omni to sell some coins. 860 00:34:57,833 --> 00:35:01,167 ♪ ♪ 861 00:35:01,250 --> 00:35:03,625 - Once we heard that he was being charged 862 00:35:03,708 --> 00:35:05,958 with the murder of two men, 863 00:35:06,042 --> 00:35:07,125 it all fell apart for us. 864 00:35:07,209 --> 00:35:08,125 Okay, well, 865 00:35:08,209 --> 00:35:09,334 where's the solution 866 00:35:09,417 --> 00:35:11,583 to these dozens of children? 867 00:35:11,666 --> 00:35:12,583 - You know, "That's it." 868 00:35:12,666 --> 00:35:13,583 It's--you know, 869 00:35:13,666 --> 00:35:14,583 "We found the killer, 870 00:35:14,666 --> 00:35:15,958 and that's it." 871 00:35:16,042 --> 00:35:17,125 You know, 872 00:35:17,209 --> 00:35:19,334 but that really wasn't it. 873 00:35:19,417 --> 00:35:21,750 - Some Atlanta youngsters participating 874 00:35:21,833 --> 00:35:24,000 in the Safe Summer program said they feel 875 00:35:24,083 --> 00:35:26,125 only a little safer now. 876 00:35:26,209 --> 00:35:30,500 - Because it was more than one child being killed, 877 00:35:30,583 --> 00:35:33,292 and they don't know if he killed them all. 878 00:35:33,375 --> 00:35:36,459 So it still could be more than one killer out there. 879 00:35:36,541 --> 00:35:38,375 [somber music] 880 00:35:38,459 --> 00:35:40,042 - I'm seven years old. 881 00:35:40,125 --> 00:35:42,167 The police have made an arrest. 882 00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:44,625 The cops had him, taking a perp walk, 883 00:35:44,708 --> 00:35:45,833 and they showed him. 884 00:35:45,917 --> 00:35:48,625 And I'm looking, and I don't what I--I drop 885 00:35:48,708 --> 00:35:50,083 whatever I had. 886 00:35:50,167 --> 00:35:52,541 And I'm like, "Son of a bitch. 887 00:35:53,583 --> 00:35:56,083 "That's the guy. 888 00:35:56,167 --> 00:35:58,375 "That's the guy who was coming up the stairs 889 00:35:58,459 --> 00:35:59,500 "at Miss Willie Mae's. 890 00:35:59,583 --> 00:36:01,625 That's him." 891 00:36:01,708 --> 00:36:05,334 I had a--I this crazy sense of calm that came over me, 892 00:36:05,417 --> 00:36:10,125 because I knew--I knew that they had the son of a bitch. 893 00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:13,875 ♪ ♪ 894 00:36:13,958 --> 00:36:16,708 - I'd never tried a murder case, 895 00:36:16,791 --> 00:36:20,541 but I knew how to put a team together. 896 00:36:20,625 --> 00:36:22,541 - I get a call from Mary Welcome. 897 00:36:22,625 --> 00:36:25,375 There was no other case like it at that point in history, 898 00:36:25,459 --> 00:36:30,000 that had that many alleged homicides involved. 899 00:36:30,083 --> 00:36:33,666 [upbeat music] 900 00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:35,459 I'm in my 30s. 901 00:36:35,541 --> 00:36:37,708 At that point, I'd probably tried 902 00:36:37,791 --> 00:36:39,917 20 or 30 homicide cases, 903 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,875 conducted hundreds of preliminary hearings 904 00:36:43,958 --> 00:36:47,083 and several direct appeals to the Georgia Supreme Court. 905 00:36:47,167 --> 00:36:50,083 ♪ ♪ 906 00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:54,750 ♪ ♪ 907 00:36:54,833 --> 00:36:58,917 I was well equipped to try and defend a criminal case 908 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,292 and especially a homicide case. 909 00:37:02,292 --> 00:37:06,209 - William Northrop volunteered his time. 910 00:37:06,292 --> 00:37:08,459 - I was after the facts. 911 00:37:08,541 --> 00:37:10,083 I wanted to know 912 00:37:10,167 --> 00:37:13,583 if there was prosecution evidence 913 00:37:13,666 --> 00:37:16,167 that could tie Wayne to 914 00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:19,708 the two murders he was charged with. 915 00:37:19,791 --> 00:37:22,125 ♪ ♪ 916 00:37:22,209 --> 00:37:24,292 [cameras snapping] 917 00:37:24,375 --> 00:37:25,750 - How's it going, Wayne? 918 00:37:25,833 --> 00:37:27,833 - Wayne was an unusual person 919 00:37:27,917 --> 00:37:30,334 and a very difficult client. 920 00:37:31,833 --> 00:37:34,083 One day, I was visiting him in jail, 921 00:37:34,167 --> 00:37:35,833 and I said, "Wayne, is there anything 922 00:37:35,917 --> 00:37:37,459 that I can get for you?" 923 00:37:37,541 --> 00:37:41,666 He said he wanted to see his boys in his band. 924 00:37:42,833 --> 00:37:44,292 I said, "You don't need this." 925 00:37:44,375 --> 00:37:46,917 But it was just easier to give in. 926 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,917 [upbeat R&B music] 927 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,375 ♪ ♪ 928 00:37:53,459 --> 00:37:54,791 Young men came in. 929 00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:57,625 He told them, "Are you keeping your grades up? 930 00:37:57,708 --> 00:37:59,334 "Are you practicing? 931 00:37:59,417 --> 00:38:01,958 "We need to figure out what kind of uniforms 932 00:38:02,042 --> 00:38:03,833 you're gonna have for the band." 933 00:38:03,917 --> 00:38:07,791 His focus was everywhere but on... 934 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:09,042 on this case. 935 00:38:10,583 --> 00:38:11,958 [door closes] 936 00:38:12,042 --> 00:38:13,500 It was--it was difficult. 937 00:38:15,583 --> 00:38:17,292 - What's the next step at this point? 938 00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:19,708 [indistinct chatter] 939 00:38:19,791 --> 00:38:21,833 - Well, I'm not making any comments at all. 940 00:38:21,917 --> 00:38:25,625 Tony, I think, wanted to have... control. 941 00:38:25,708 --> 00:38:27,167 He wanted to call the shots. 942 00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:30,833 He said, "The more time we give the prosecution, 943 00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:32,875 "the more time they are going to be able 944 00:38:32,958 --> 00:38:34,459 to tighten up their case." 945 00:38:34,541 --> 00:38:38,167 My position was: we need to slow this case down. 946 00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:40,209 This was my client, 947 00:38:40,292 --> 00:38:42,666 and I was not giving up control 948 00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,292 of the overall strategy. 949 00:38:45,375 --> 00:38:48,583 It really became confrontational. 950 00:38:51,042 --> 00:38:54,000 Wayne's position is: neither of you are in control. 951 00:38:54,083 --> 00:38:55,167 [laughs] 952 00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:56,250 I control. 953 00:38:57,666 --> 00:38:59,875 - Three months before the trial started, 954 00:38:59,958 --> 00:39:02,666 Mary and Wayne made the decision that 955 00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:04,125 they would try the case without me. 956 00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:09,250 Wayne was the man behind the curtain, 957 00:39:09,334 --> 00:39:10,791 full of himself. 958 00:39:12,417 --> 00:39:15,000 I had never been with someone 959 00:39:15,083 --> 00:39:17,209 at that young age 960 00:39:17,292 --> 00:39:19,250 that had that much control 961 00:39:19,334 --> 00:39:21,375 with saying, "This is who I am," 962 00:39:21,459 --> 00:39:23,417 and then say, "No, that's not who I am. 963 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:24,958 Let me just tell you who I am." 964 00:39:25,958 --> 00:39:28,666 Playing the part several different ways, 965 00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:30,833 I'd never had that happen before. 966 00:39:32,042 --> 00:39:33,750 - Wayne Williams had fired Tony Axam, 967 00:39:33,833 --> 00:39:35,209 who was a very good lawyer. 968 00:39:35,292 --> 00:39:37,666 So we were a little bit baffled by that, 969 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:39,917 'cause this was in October, 970 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,791 and by that time, the trial was now scheduled 971 00:39:42,875 --> 00:39:44,917 to start at the end of December. 972 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,583 - Joe Drolet is well known for his knowledge of case law. 973 00:39:48,666 --> 00:39:50,583 He's expected to play a major role 974 00:39:50,666 --> 00:39:52,541 in the examination of witnesses, 975 00:39:52,625 --> 00:39:54,958 making sure the prosecution's every move 976 00:39:55,042 --> 00:39:57,541 is on firm legal ground. 977 00:39:57,625 --> 00:40:00,250 - The strategy was to present the evidence 978 00:40:00,334 --> 00:40:03,459 in such a way that the jury would understand 979 00:40:03,541 --> 00:40:05,417 the significance of it 980 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:08,375 and know that all these things together 981 00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:10,625 pointed directly at Wayne Williams. 982 00:40:12,292 --> 00:40:15,209 [dynamic music] 983 00:40:15,292 --> 00:40:18,708 ♪ ♪ 984 00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:21,666 [indistinct chatter] 985 00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:23,750 - Good morning. - Good morning, Mary. 986 00:40:23,833 --> 00:40:25,292 - Good morning. How are you? 987 00:40:25,375 --> 00:40:27,000 Good morning. Good morning. 988 00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:29,292 - Even Ms. Welcome admits her experience 989 00:40:29,375 --> 00:40:32,750 as a criminal trial lawyer is not particularly impressive. 990 00:40:32,833 --> 00:40:35,000 So she was joined on the defense team 991 00:40:35,083 --> 00:40:39,000 by Alvin Binder of Jackson, Mississippi. 992 00:40:39,083 --> 00:40:40,833 His horn-rimmed glasses, cigar, 993 00:40:40,917 --> 00:40:44,000 and somewhat brusque manner had become his trademarks. 994 00:40:45,541 --> 00:40:47,625 - Delay the start of the trial? - No, sir. 995 00:40:47,708 --> 00:40:48,958 - Al Binder came in... 996 00:40:49,042 --> 00:40:51,292 - When the judge bangs that gavel, we'll be ready. 997 00:40:51,375 --> 00:40:53,083 - Good ol' Southern boy... - I hope. 998 00:40:53,167 --> 00:40:55,125 - And he said, "This is the way I'm gonna handle this. 999 00:40:55,209 --> 00:40:57,459 "I'm gonna go in and say," 1000 00:40:57,541 --> 00:41:00,292 you know, "How dare you," you know, 1001 00:41:00,375 --> 00:41:02,375 "do this to a human being? 1002 00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:03,875 "And this is unjust, 1003 00:41:03,958 --> 00:41:06,167 and this is a violation of his rights." 1004 00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:07,917 He was dynamic. 1005 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,875 And we said, "You go, person." 1006 00:41:14,083 --> 00:41:16,500 - In Atlanta, Wayne Williams goes on trial today 1007 00:41:16,583 --> 00:41:19,375 charged with committing two of the 28 murders 1008 00:41:19,459 --> 00:41:20,958 that terrorized that city. 1009 00:41:21,042 --> 00:41:23,500 We have more from Bonnie Erbé. 1010 00:41:23,583 --> 00:41:26,042 - Today's opening of the trial of Wayne Williams, 1011 00:41:26,125 --> 00:41:28,750 the only person charged with any of slayings, 1012 00:41:28,833 --> 00:41:31,459 will churn emotions in a city almost healed. 1013 00:41:31,541 --> 00:41:33,334 [solemn music] 1014 00:41:33,417 --> 00:41:35,708 - 15 deputies assigned to the Williams trial 1015 00:41:35,791 --> 00:41:37,833 had been given special medical training 1016 00:41:37,917 --> 00:41:40,209 to help them deal with any emergency 1017 00:41:40,292 --> 00:41:41,833 which might come up. 1018 00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:43,833 Trauma training, could this be 1019 00:41:43,917 --> 00:41:45,375 in case there was an explosion? 1020 00:41:45,459 --> 00:41:47,958 You are preparing yourself for that possibility? 1021 00:41:48,042 --> 00:41:49,375 - Yes, we are preparing for that, 1022 00:41:49,459 --> 00:41:52,083 but it was still just a basic first aid course. 1023 00:41:52,167 --> 00:41:54,500 [siren wailing] 1024 00:41:54,583 --> 00:41:56,083 - When the trial started, 1025 00:41:56,167 --> 00:41:59,167 it was sort of a surreal experience, 1026 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:02,583 because... it almost felt like 1027 00:42:02,666 --> 00:42:05,583 I was in a trial in a movie. 1028 00:42:05,666 --> 00:42:07,875 And I know that all these people are actors, 1029 00:42:07,958 --> 00:42:09,541 and I'm an actor too. 1030 00:42:09,625 --> 00:42:10,917 - Good morning. How are you? 1031 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,375 - You're becoming the Diana Ross of Atlanta. 1032 00:42:13,459 --> 00:42:15,209 - [laughs] - What did--what did you say? 1033 00:42:15,292 --> 00:42:17,708 - Are you becoming the Diana Ross of Atlanta? 1034 00:42:17,791 --> 00:42:19,708 - Um, no. - Every time I run into you-- 1035 00:42:19,791 --> 00:42:21,708 - Every time I check my purse, I don't have her money. 1036 00:42:21,791 --> 00:42:22,708 - [laughs] 1037 00:42:22,791 --> 00:42:26,083 [dramatic music] 1038 00:42:26,167 --> 00:42:28,250 - On a big day like this, they make extra seats 1039 00:42:28,334 --> 00:42:29,583 in the courtroom for the press. 1040 00:42:29,666 --> 00:42:32,417 So they're only about 50 available for spectators. 1041 00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,750 - Stay in line. Stay single file. 1042 00:42:35,833 --> 00:42:36,791 - At 7:00 this morning, 1043 00:42:36,875 --> 00:42:38,417 there were more than 300 people 1044 00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:39,583 crammed in this lobby, 1045 00:42:39,666 --> 00:42:42,625 hoping to get a shot at one of those seats. 1046 00:42:42,708 --> 00:42:45,125 Also here, three mothers whose children are 1047 00:42:45,209 --> 00:42:47,250 on the task force list. 1048 00:42:47,334 --> 00:42:49,917 - I don't think I would forget that feeling, 1049 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,250 because you're talking about hundreds of people. 1050 00:42:54,334 --> 00:42:56,000 You couldn't hear nothing. 1051 00:42:57,334 --> 00:43:00,958 You could hear all these breathing voices. 1052 00:43:02,334 --> 00:43:06,417 And then you had the cameras in the courthouse. 1053 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:10,459 And, um--and then reporters wanted to hear from us 1054 00:43:10,541 --> 00:43:13,541 once they found out that we was the parents, you know. 1055 00:43:13,625 --> 00:43:14,958 So when we came out the courthouse, 1056 00:43:15,042 --> 00:43:17,209 you know, soon as we stepped out the room, they start, 1057 00:43:17,292 --> 00:43:19,791 you know, putting the cameras all in our faces. 1058 00:43:19,875 --> 00:43:22,125 - If he get charged for the two killings 1059 00:43:22,209 --> 00:43:24,958 that they are charging him with, 1060 00:43:25,042 --> 00:43:26,750 what about the other kids? 1061 00:43:26,833 --> 00:43:28,958 The other 27 kids. 1062 00:43:29,042 --> 00:43:31,125 [indistinct chatter] 1063 00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:33,791 That's--that's what I would like to know. 1064 00:43:33,875 --> 00:43:37,292 What they gonna do about the other kids? 1065 00:43:37,375 --> 00:43:39,750 - I was asked several times, did I know any of the victims. 1066 00:43:39,833 --> 00:43:42,417 No, I didn't. I've never met any of them. 1067 00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:44,417 I didn't kill Nathaniel Cater, 1068 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,750 Jimmy Ray Payne, or anybody else. 1069 00:43:47,833 --> 00:43:49,500 There basically was no evidence against me. 1070 00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:51,125 I hadn't killed anybody. 1071 00:43:51,209 --> 00:43:52,666 [indistinct chatter] 1072 00:43:52,750 --> 00:43:57,292 - During the trial, I was under a lot of pressure, stress. 1073 00:43:57,375 --> 00:44:00,125 - What time did you guys get down here this morning? 1074 00:44:00,209 --> 00:44:03,000 - 6:30. - When'd you get down here? 1075 00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:05,334 I remember one time that we went to court, 1076 00:44:05,417 --> 00:44:07,334 there was a table 1077 00:44:07,417 --> 00:44:11,417 with one chair behind it for me... 1078 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:15,708 and all these white men in suits. 1079 00:44:15,791 --> 00:44:18,833 And I looked at that, and I said, "Oh, my God. 1080 00:44:18,917 --> 00:44:22,334 What am I gonna have to contend with?" 1081 00:44:22,417 --> 00:44:25,375 [despondent music] 1082 00:44:25,459 --> 00:44:29,500 ♪ ♪ 1083 00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:31,875 - In Atlanta today, the jury in the murder trial 1084 00:44:31,958 --> 00:44:33,917 of Wayne Williams was led to the bridge 1085 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,875 from which Williams allegedly disposed of the body 1086 00:44:36,958 --> 00:44:38,083 of one of the victims. 1087 00:44:38,167 --> 00:44:40,583 ♪ ♪ 1088 00:44:40,666 --> 00:44:41,917 - Judge Cooper allowed us 1089 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,375 to take the jury to the bridge. 1090 00:44:45,459 --> 00:44:48,875 We wanted the jury to visualize our argument, 1091 00:44:48,958 --> 00:44:52,083 that Wayne could not have 1092 00:44:52,167 --> 00:44:54,083 stopped on the bridge. 1093 00:44:54,167 --> 00:44:56,833 ♪ ♪ 1094 00:44:56,917 --> 00:44:58,541 - The took us out on the bridge. 1095 00:44:58,625 --> 00:44:59,500 They showed us where they 1096 00:44:59,583 --> 00:45:02,292 thought the splash happened. 1097 00:45:02,375 --> 00:45:05,917 They showed us where they apprehended him out there. 1098 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,209 ♪ ♪ 1099 00:45:09,292 --> 00:45:11,125 - Why was Wayne Williams on the bridge? 1100 00:45:12,708 --> 00:45:16,083 Wayne claims he's out there to see Cheryl Johnson. 1101 00:45:16,167 --> 00:45:18,666 The mysterious Cheryl Johnson that no one 1102 00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:21,750 has ever found in 38 years. 1103 00:45:21,833 --> 00:45:24,334 He crossed the bridge 'cause he was dropping a body. 1104 00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:27,250 - Picture this in your mind. 1105 00:45:27,334 --> 00:45:29,375 He'd have to get out of the car, 1106 00:45:29,459 --> 00:45:31,125 go to the back of the car, 1107 00:45:31,209 --> 00:45:34,417 open the trunk, pull the body out, 1108 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:35,791 toss it over the bridge, 1109 00:45:35,875 --> 00:45:38,750 and then get back in his car... 1110 00:45:38,833 --> 00:45:41,292 close the trunk and close his door 1111 00:45:41,375 --> 00:45:42,375 and then go up. 1112 00:45:42,459 --> 00:45:45,125 Now you--just imagine how long that would take. 1113 00:45:46,666 --> 00:45:49,791 At the trial, the officers testified 1114 00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:52,791 they never saw the car stopped. 1115 00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:55,292 ♪ ♪ 1116 00:45:55,375 --> 00:45:57,791 - The defense contends that this expansion joint 1117 00:45:57,875 --> 00:46:00,125 in the bridge would have alerted police lookouts 1118 00:46:00,209 --> 00:46:01,958 to the presence of Williams' car 1119 00:46:02,042 --> 00:46:04,375 before he had the chance to dump a body, 1120 00:46:04,459 --> 00:46:05,875 if in fact he did. 1121 00:46:07,583 --> 00:46:10,125 - There is a separation in that bridge 1122 00:46:10,209 --> 00:46:12,209 where you could hear "ka-plunk." 1123 00:46:13,708 --> 00:46:15,625 - Every time a car went over that bridge-- 1124 00:46:15,708 --> 00:46:17,625 and we checked this all out-- 1125 00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:19,292 greater than five miles an hour, it went, 1126 00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:20,541 "ka-clank, ka-clank." 1127 00:46:20,625 --> 00:46:23,459 [thudding] 1128 00:46:23,541 --> 00:46:26,000 It drove the cops under the bridge to go crazy. 1129 00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:28,334 They heard no clank that night, 1130 00:46:28,417 --> 00:46:30,459 which means he coasted onto the bridge 1131 00:46:30,541 --> 00:46:32,500 going under five miles an hour. 1132 00:46:33,666 --> 00:46:34,666 When they looked up on the bridge, 1133 00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:35,958 the headlights weren't moving. 1134 00:46:36,042 --> 00:46:37,917 So the car must have been stopped. 1135 00:46:39,209 --> 00:46:40,334 And he gets out, and he... 1136 00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:41,334 [whistles] 1137 00:46:41,417 --> 00:46:43,209 Just pulls the body out of the trunk 1138 00:46:43,292 --> 00:46:45,541 and just drags him, throws him off the bridge. 1139 00:46:45,625 --> 00:46:47,167 [water trickling] 1140 00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:48,666 Then after the splash, 1141 00:46:48,750 --> 00:46:50,209 the headlights started to move slowly. 1142 00:46:50,292 --> 00:46:52,375 [insects chirping] 1143 00:46:52,459 --> 00:46:54,500 - I mean, do you know what deadweight is like? 1144 00:46:54,583 --> 00:46:57,083 I couldn't imagine Wayne picking up deadweight, 1145 00:46:57,167 --> 00:46:59,334 because he was a small person in stature, 1146 00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:01,292 and he didn't have muscles. 1147 00:47:01,375 --> 00:47:03,666 - He didn't have to pick the body up. 1148 00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:06,167 He just had to drag the foot over out the back of 1149 00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:07,708 the station wagon. 1150 00:47:07,791 --> 00:47:09,708 You don't have to pick it up. You have to drag it. 1151 00:47:09,791 --> 00:47:12,000 You can drag--I can drag anybody in this room. 1152 00:47:12,083 --> 00:47:14,666 - I know a guy in the FBI that's about Wayne's size, 1153 00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:16,708 and he's the strongest man I ever met in my life. 1154 00:47:16,791 --> 00:47:18,875 - Listen, man, you know a lot of strong guys 1155 00:47:18,958 --> 00:47:20,167 that are really tiny guys. 1156 00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:22,459 Strength got nothing to do with your size. 1157 00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:24,750 - I have no question in my mind that he could have 1158 00:47:24,833 --> 00:47:27,917 leveraged a body over the bridge. 1159 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,042 The guardrails of the bridge were only 2 1/2, 3 feet high. 1160 00:47:32,125 --> 00:47:34,541 - Wayne had chosen his bridge carefully. 1161 00:47:34,625 --> 00:47:36,541 He probably used that bridge before. 1162 00:47:36,625 --> 00:47:38,708 [dramatic music] 1163 00:47:38,791 --> 00:47:40,791 - Had I have tried that case, 1164 00:47:40,875 --> 00:47:43,541 we would have had a 160-pound pig 1165 00:47:43,625 --> 00:47:45,833 in the courtroom, dead. 1166 00:47:45,917 --> 00:47:48,708 I would have had Wayne stand up in front of the jury 1167 00:47:48,791 --> 00:47:51,791 with a barrier erected the size of that bridge 1168 00:47:51,875 --> 00:47:55,708 and watch you try to lift 160 pounds of deadweight, 1169 00:47:55,791 --> 00:47:57,167 throw it over a bridge. 1170 00:47:57,250 --> 00:48:00,541 ♪ ♪ 1171 00:48:00,625 --> 00:48:02,958 - They wanted to believe I was some type of Superman 1172 00:48:03,042 --> 00:48:06,125 that could kidnap somebody, 1173 00:48:06,209 --> 00:48:08,292 kill them in my house, car, or wherever, 1174 00:48:08,375 --> 00:48:10,583 put 'em back in this car and go dump the bodies 1175 00:48:10,666 --> 00:48:12,125 without any evidence being left. 1176 00:48:12,209 --> 00:48:13,917 Come on, that's ridiculous. 1177 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000 - Defense attorneys launched an aggressive attack on 1178 00:48:17,083 --> 00:48:19,541 prosecution evidence today as testimony started 1179 00:48:19,625 --> 00:48:22,083 in the Atlanta murder trial of Wayne Williams. 1180 00:48:22,167 --> 00:48:24,459 A medical examiner today took the stand 1181 00:48:24,541 --> 00:48:26,292 and conceded that he could not prove 1182 00:48:26,375 --> 00:48:29,708 that one of Williams' alleged victims was indeed murdered. 1183 00:48:31,292 --> 00:48:33,625 - First thing I wanted to do was find out 1184 00:48:33,708 --> 00:48:36,750 whether we really did have a legal, medical murder. 1185 00:48:36,833 --> 00:48:39,917 [ominous music] 1186 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,459 It was clearly evident Nathaniel Cater had been 1187 00:48:43,541 --> 00:48:46,167 in the water more than two days. 1188 00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:47,583 ♪ ♪ 1189 00:48:47,666 --> 00:48:50,334 If you look at the medical examiner's report, 1190 00:48:50,417 --> 00:48:54,958 it says he's been in the water for at least a week. 1191 00:48:55,042 --> 00:48:57,417 A police recruit heard a splash, 1192 00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:01,666 and two days later, Cater's body was found. 1193 00:49:01,750 --> 00:49:03,917 ♪ ♪ 1194 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,083 Two days? No. 1195 00:49:07,708 --> 00:49:10,083 Far, far more. 1196 00:49:10,167 --> 00:49:13,125 - Medical examiners can tell whether a body has been 1197 00:49:13,209 --> 00:49:16,500 in the water for more than two days. 1198 00:49:16,583 --> 00:49:18,666 You can tell by the decomposition. 1199 00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:22,958 Two days to a week-plus, 1200 00:49:23,042 --> 00:49:24,791 that's absolutely too far apart. 1201 00:49:24,875 --> 00:49:26,833 ♪ ♪ 1202 00:49:26,917 --> 00:49:28,625 Somebody is lying. 1203 00:49:28,708 --> 00:49:30,209 It doesn't make sense. 1204 00:49:31,583 --> 00:49:34,334 - Let me specifically point out something. 1205 00:49:34,417 --> 00:49:36,666 I mean, it's pretty clear. 1206 00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:41,209 Dr. Zaki says, "summation of autopsy findings for 1207 00:49:41,292 --> 00:49:44,541 Jimmy Ray Payne"-- the second victim-- 1208 00:49:44,625 --> 00:49:48,167 "had it not been for other killings, 1209 00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:50,833 he "in all probability would have ruled the death 1210 00:49:50,917 --> 00:49:52,250 an accidental drowning." 1211 00:49:54,083 --> 00:49:57,459 Jimmy Ray Payne was 21 years old. 1212 00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:01,750 He was found floating in the Chattahoochee. 1213 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,958 He was in the typical floater position, 1214 00:50:06,042 --> 00:50:09,625 which is the position your body absorbs when you drown. 1215 00:50:10,625 --> 00:50:13,209 He'd been in the water for quite some time. 1216 00:50:13,292 --> 00:50:16,000 He had skin slippage, which means that 1217 00:50:16,083 --> 00:50:19,000 the outside layer of the skin dissolved. 1218 00:50:20,583 --> 00:50:23,250 He was found in swim trunks. 1219 00:50:23,334 --> 00:50:25,625 Seemed to me that he drowned. 1220 00:50:26,625 --> 00:50:29,541 I didn't believe that this was 1221 00:50:29,625 --> 00:50:32,833 a legal, medical murder. 1222 00:50:32,917 --> 00:50:36,375 - Dr. Saleh Zaki admitted he could not positively say 1223 00:50:36,459 --> 00:50:37,750 Jimmy Ray Payne was dead 1224 00:50:37,833 --> 00:50:39,541 when he entered the Chattahoochee River. 1225 00:50:39,625 --> 00:50:41,000 During cross-examination, 1226 00:50:41,083 --> 00:50:43,417 Alvin Binder asked Zaki, quote, 1227 00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:46,292 "You cannot say that man was not alive 1228 00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:47,750 when he entered the water?" 1229 00:50:47,833 --> 00:50:50,666 Zaki said, "Based on the autopsy, no." 1230 00:50:51,958 --> 00:50:54,250 - Jimmy Ray Payne's autopsy 1231 00:50:54,334 --> 00:50:57,125 was first listed as undetermined. 1232 00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,583 And then it was changed 1233 00:51:00,666 --> 00:51:01,583 to homicide. 1234 00:51:01,666 --> 00:51:05,209 Dr. Saleh Zaki allegedly 1235 00:51:05,292 --> 00:51:07,459 changed the cause of death 1236 00:51:07,541 --> 00:51:09,500 after Wayne was arrested, 1237 00:51:09,583 --> 00:51:12,625 due to pressure from prosecutors. 1238 00:51:14,167 --> 00:51:16,583 - He changes it because it was wrong. 1239 00:51:16,666 --> 00:51:19,791 Because there were two different death certificates, 1240 00:51:19,875 --> 00:51:22,875 it became a huge argument for the defense. 1241 00:51:22,958 --> 00:51:24,666 ♪ ♪ 1242 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,375 - I've practiced law for over 40-plus years. 1243 00:51:28,666 --> 00:51:33,000 That is the only case that I have a memory of 1244 00:51:33,083 --> 00:51:35,625 where the autopsy was changed 1245 00:51:35,708 --> 00:51:39,459 from undetermined to a homicide. 1246 00:51:39,541 --> 00:51:40,500 It is so rare. 1247 00:51:40,583 --> 00:51:42,833 It is an extraordinarily rare occurrence. 1248 00:51:42,917 --> 00:51:44,292 - How you doing? - Hello. 1249 00:51:44,375 --> 00:51:48,791 - We're only fighting two alleged murder cases 1250 00:51:48,875 --> 00:51:51,125 at this point in time. 1251 00:51:51,209 --> 00:51:53,209 So we felt pretty safe. 1252 00:51:54,375 --> 00:51:56,292 - Williams is charged only with two of 1253 00:51:56,375 --> 00:51:59,167 the 28 murders on the special task force list, 1254 00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:01,459 but the prosecution wants to introduce evidence 1255 00:52:01,541 --> 00:52:04,000 linking Williams to ten additional victims, 1256 00:52:04,083 --> 00:52:06,750 including one whose name was never on the list. 1257 00:52:06,833 --> 00:52:08,292 ♪ ♪ 1258 00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:10,209 - Big mistake. 1259 00:52:10,292 --> 00:52:13,209 [dramatic music] 1260 00:52:13,292 --> 00:52:20,292 ♪ ♪ 1261 00:52:48,292 --> 00:52:50,292 [bright tone] 1262 00:52:52,375 --> 00:52:54,083 MAN: The state built its case 1263 00:52:54,417 --> 00:52:57,000 that if Wayne Williams killed one, 1264 00:52:57,459 --> 00:52:58,625 he killed them all. 1265 00:52:59,417 --> 00:53:01,459 MAN 2: The prosecution claimed that the fiber 1266 00:53:01,541 --> 00:53:02,917 in Wayne's carpet was rare. 1267 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,167 It was all fake math, 1268 00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:06,541 and they presented it to the jury as hard facts. 1269 00:53:06,625 --> 00:53:08,708 OFFICER: Twenty-three cases were boxed up. 1270 00:53:08,791 --> 00:53:10,791 That is shockingly negligent. 1271 00:53:10,875 --> 00:53:15,250 There was somebody interfering in the decision-making process. 1272 00:53:15,334 --> 00:53:16,875 MAN 3: He dropped a body off a bridge, 1273 00:53:16,958 --> 00:53:19,250 he got convicted, he's gonna die in prison. 1274 00:53:19,917 --> 00:53:21,375 That's a success story. 1275 00:53:21,459 --> 00:53:23,292 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 92695

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