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20 million people in the US claim to

have seen a UFO and 4 million claim to

have been abducted there is something

serious going on anybody who's seen or

experienced these things will tell you

they are real but how do you investigate

something that appears and

disappears despite the claims of their

being crashed craft there are none but

they do leave marks lights can go off

strange magnetic forces appear and

they're looking at the evidence and

they're coming to a conclusion it's

coming from another realm or

Dimension but here's the real kicker

Scott there's cases where these

abductions have been halted by people

calling on the name of Jesus Christ as

Christians this is one area where we can

explain the answer what is the

answer Gary today the UFO and alien

issue looms larger than ever with World

governments openly and officially

investigating this issue is now I'm

really excited to be here with you today

because you've got over 25 years

experience in researching this matter

you're a bestselling author on the

matter and you have an award-winning

movie on aliens and UFOs so thanks for

being with me here today and what I want

to ask you first of all is um what are

people seeing and is the government

actually recording um this data and are

they covering things up well thank you

uh first off let me say that there's

been a change uh the government has

officially coined a term called uaps so

they don't call them UFOs anymore which

meant unidentified flying objects it's

unidentified anomalous phenomena to

explain what they're seeing and I think

the reason they've done that is you know

the history of UFOs which is a serious

topic but it has some kind of cheesy

flaky uh you know historical aspects to

it we peing the past so I think they're

trying to uh view it as a more

legitimate area that needs to be

investigated and indeed the US

government um has not been candid about

what they're seeing everybody who

studies this like myself knows that they

and lots of people are seeing things and

I think to credit them in some way

they've not known what they're dealing

with which is why they've not been

candid but uh there's been a bit of a

Quantum shift in the last few years

under the Obama Administration Harry

Reed former uh leader Senate Majority

Leader he's turned around and said we

were continuing to fund Research into

UFOs so that was a bit of a surprise to

a lot of people uh but not to people

like me who researched in fact the US

government has been researching UFOs for

over 70 years wow right back in the

1940s they started with two projects

sign and Grudge and then Project Blue

Book which was made into a History

Channel series there was the Condon

report and of course there was the

famous Roswell incident and an

independent group called the government

uh Accounting Office investigated uh

that as well so yes they are seeing

something Ordinary People see things uh

lots of them have contact me even about

their experiences and the things that

they see but the fact that the

government is now admitting that they

are seeing something and they're openly

investigating it uh in the 20 something

years I've been researching this that

that's a big change yeah one of the

amazing things that I saw when watching

your movie Alien intrusion was that this

has actually been a phenomena that is

very widespread and I remember hearing a

fact on the movie and I think it was you

can correct me here it was I think it

was a a Harvard psychiatrist saying that

the statistics were or he was referring

to a poll I think that 20 million people

in the US have seen a UFO claim to have

seen a UFO and 4 million claimed to have

been abducted yeah well that was

actually based on something called a

Roper pole in

1998 and of course they take a sample

size and then extrapolate that to a

larger group yes but I actually think

those figures are probably correct

because uh and probably even more

because wherever I go and speak on it

which has been hundreds of times uh

almost without fail Scott somebody comes

up to me and tells me that they've seen

things and I've literally met hundreds

and hundreds of people that have seen

things they're looking for closure they

don't know what they saw the simple fact

is that over 90% of UA uh UAP or UFO

sightings can be explained by natural

phenomena or man-made phenomena people

are looking up lay people they don't

know what they're seeing um things like

the planet Venus incredibly accounts for

you know about over 30% of all UFO

sightings how can that be it's because

it appears early in the night Sky it

doesn't twinkle like a star looks like a

glowing ball and what causes people to

interpret things that way are they're

kind of the worldviews and what I call

Pop Culture UFOs are interpreted like

many things in our world based on our

belief systems if you believe that there

was a big bang 14 billion years ago and

that our Earth is in a relatively young

part of the universe there are alien

races that could be millions or billions

of years older than us on the

evolutionary scale and could you imagine

the advances in technology they've

developed in that time and that's how

come they can fly millions of light

years across the the Galaxy or the

universe rather and stealthily abduct

people from their beds in the middle of

the night now the other option of course

is which we can talk about later is you

know well there's Evolution or there's

creation so that then begs the question

did God create aliens but you know we

can do with that one probably later on

yeah and I think something very

interesting I think I got this from your

movie as well is that that um 200 years

ago if a farmer I think you mentioned an

example like this if a farmer in his

field saw a flash in the sky he probably

wouldn't be able to say it's a UFO would

he he wouldn't know what it means he

probably doesn't even realize there are

distant star systems so he interprets it

within his cultural understanding of the

day you know maybe I need to go and get

my eyes checked or maybe it's a

spiritual Phenom a demon or whatever

depending what religion uh they believe

in but um you know getting back to the

government there they uh as I said

they've been investigating and and very

recently there was Congressional hearing

about this yeah I wanted to ask you

about this so this was as recent as July

2023 um and there were really some

spectacular claims um it looks like the

government is actually admitting they're

actually admitting now something is

going on which you

mentioned so why are they admitting that

now and so this is 2023 it's a new age

the government is admitting something's

going on on why are they admitting it

now and were they covering up earlier

well in uh in my movie Alien intrusion

I'm asking a deception we showed some

footage from a

2010 uh meeting uh conference at the

Washington Press Club and over 80 Air

Force officers these are just not

enlisted guys so these are guys with you

know responsible positions in the

military got up and gave testimony about

seeing UFOs flying at speeds that are

conventional craft can't do they merge

into one another they do right angle

turns or accelerate towards the ground

and come back up without slowing down so

these are literally defying the laws of

physics and then more shockingly they

said that they've entered uh nuclear

missile silos and have affected the

operational Readiness of nuclear weapons

so that was very startling so I to be

honest I've never mentioned and spoken

about that because it's almost like a

bridge too far to mention it's too hard

to believe

but Harry Reid who I mentioned before

you can watch on YouTube in fact go to

creation.com in one of our articles

there type in his name you can see an

interview where he actually says that

these uaps have affected uh the

operational ress of America's nuclear

Arsenal to such an extent that if the

president had ordered a first strike or

even a defensive strike he wouldn't have

been able to so when you've got people

in your military who are witnessing all

of this stuff it's ultimately going to

be a bit hard to keep the lid on it

forever do do you think that's true that

go so Harry Reid who who who was he

again and former Senate M majority

leader in the house so second after

after the president vice president he's

the next guy in line uh yeah so he's a

UFO Enthusiast though he's a UFO

believer okay and you'll see elsewhere

but yes I you know there are too many

testimonies from military personnel uh

and that's a serious thing as you can

imagine yeah but his the thing what are

they dealing with and they still don't

know yeah and and you said he's a

Believer there and we were chatting

earlier before we started this and you

were saying that actually people are

influenced by their prior beliefs in

fact you've already mentioned it already

it's the worldview of the day you in so

could have that had an influence as well

I I think so I think uh you know polls

have shown and and even my own informal

polls I think if you go and ask any high

schooler in a public high schooler in

Australia or America or the UK or

anywhere do aliens exist you'll get of

course they do yeah it's not a maybe

yeah uh and again what underpins that is

the fact that we live in such a massive

universe and people think if Evolution's

true must have evolved somewhere else

yeah if if we're just here by accident

and the universe is huge then there must

have been other accidents happening

elsewhere absolutely cuz look at the

time frames we're talking billions of

years you know not thousands or hundreds

and millions billions of years is the

age of the universe

yeah and as we were saying the so that

we're told that the Earth is only 4.5

billion years old so the solar system is

about that old but possibly there's

other star systems that evolved earlier

and therefore they might be more

advanced yeah wow so exactly so this so

it's interesting that this is driven by

evolutionary worldview and would that

match the timing as well Gary you know

how so the theory of evolution came

about Charles Darwin 1859 the Origin of

Species um how soon after that did we

start getting the thought about aliens

or was aliens was that possible before

no not really I think uh it's it's a

modern phenomenon the phenomenon itself

is not new it's the interpretation of

the phenomenon that's new uh we can talk

about it later but in the movie we

showed in ancient history wherever we've

got written records the ancient Greeks

Alexander said he saw flying Shields

attacking his army wow American Indians

have stories of flying canoes with

occupants on board for example so we

have record CS of these anomalous

sightings throughout history but again

are they interpreting something that is

shiny and metallic as a flying canoe or

are they literally seeing a flying canoe

we don't know cuz we're not there my

personal view is it manifests towards

the cultural understanding of the day

and I'm not alone in that even

non-Christian researchers like Nick

Redfern will say that it masquerades

towards the understanding of the people

that it's appearing to

interesting so some of some of this

might be due to the popular idea of

aliens and that even being possible so

the evolutionary worldview coming into

existence 200ish years ago has

influenced how this phenomenon manifests

yep definitely it's it's changed over

time there's no question it's changed in

the last 100 years it's only since about

the 1940s which corresponds with the Jed

age that we start to see the idea of

flying discs or and you know the most

popular shape in the 70s was the

triangle shape and you know I have no

idea why to be frank so people spotting

a UFO that'd usually see a triangle

that's that was very very common yeah

interesting and I guess there's also

since the roughly the 60s I know at

least in America and the and Australia

there's Evolutions been taught in all

schools since about that age so you

you've got that um worldview being set

in people's minds so they're

interpreting this phenomena that way say

something here so in my experience most

Christians also don't have a problem

with the idea that God created aliens

and they're possibly visiting us as well

so it's the door is definitely open on

that one and that's something we need to

talk about yeah I really I do want to

touch on that because I've experienced

the same there's a lot of Christians

that say Okay God could have created

things so instead of evolving in

different places God could have created

aliens on other planets so we're going

to hit that one and talk about what the

Bible says on that I'd like you to

explain that to us so we've talked about

the July 2023 Congressional hearings um

but what about there's something even

more recent than that September 2023 we

had the little aliens in the Mexican

Government what's that all about yeah

and look uh there there's a term in

euphology uh which is kind of the study

of UFOs I suppose are qualify as a

ethologist but um uh and it's called

debunker so when something comes up

you're always to too eager to put it

down so let me just say I've already

said there is something going on that we

need to quantify but in this case this

is one of those that is media hype and

unfortunately the gentleman who brought

forward these two supposedly alien

bodies uh and to be honest they look

fake and I think it's because they are

um you've got to dive between dive

underneath and deeper in the press

report

so you see things like alien bodies now

the gentleman that produced these his

name is Jamie mouson I mentioned him in

my book He's a well-known Mexican

ethologist he's been criticized and

found out hoaxing and faking stuff

before uh Etc there was a Peruvian uh

mummy that was allegedly alien uh in the

past um and what they say are things

like we are getting scientific research

done on this so they're not telling you

the results of that so when you hear oh

they're getting scientific research the

initial inclination is to think oh the

scientific research is supporting the

claim but you can go on there and you

can see that the scientists and the body

that he sent it to have dis distance

themselves from his claims right and the

best we can find out because it takes a

while and they'll officially publish a

report and probably a journal article

somewhere that it's an assemblage of

llama bones and there some human bones

in there and all sorts of stuff like

that and this reminds me of another

episode uh which I wrote about another

famous ethologist called Steven Greer uh

his former medical doctor he had a movie

called Sirus I've written a review on

creation.com about that but it was one

called the ataka alien and there were

pictures of it and it it looks humanoid

but it's got a very weird shaped head

Etc um and it's de definitely a

mummified organism so in the movie he

said we are getting DNA testing done on

this wow they're getting DNA testing it

must be real but then later the

organization that was doing the DNA

testing came out and they said it's

human it was a deformed you know uh

fetus it was the case of dwarfism and in

the very very dry desert in Peru it had

desicated the body but because of its uh

you know um abnormalities it had a weird

shaped head and so on and that and that

kind of reminds me just just on that you

know we mentioned the Congressional

hearings y there was a former military

intelligence officer Air Force officer

named David grou and I've been sent a

lot of emails about this I watched it he

was asked by one of the politicians he

said and the question was have you

recovered alien bodies and again I'm

going to be fairly critical here because

his answer really told me everything

that I needed to know he didn't answer

yes or no he said we have recovered

non-human biological material I mean

what does that mean right I mean it

could have been a bug on the wind screen

I mean it's anything that is nonhuman

could be biological material so why do I

say this you know people are complex

beings we either put them in the

categories you know they're mad or

they're bad but we talked about our

World Views and our beliefs shaping

apart and I've experienced that there

are very very sincere people who believe

that aliens are visiting us and the

government's covering it up and

sometimes the end justifies the means

you know what I'm saying like I want you

to believe Scott what I believe so if

I'm not quite candid with the truth and

it causes you to investigate more maybe

I can get you you know on board with us

Etc so when somebody gives a bit of an

evasive answer like that it tells me ah

okay he's he's not playing with a

straight bat as we'd say in Australia

interesting but said you're not a

debunker and so you recognize these

experiences that these people have had

so I think what you're saying Gary

correct me if I'm wrong is that you're

saying okay I acknowledge that some of

these people even the people that are

fraudsters for one of a better word that

are putting forward things as real alien

bodies but they're not would you say

that they're maybe they're probably an

experiencer someone that's had an

experience because was we had 4 million

people and that's just in the US

experienced alien abductions um they're

an experiencer and they want other

people to know that this is a real thing

because to them it was very real is that

a fair yeah I think that's that can be

part of it it might not they might not

be experienc of themselves but they've

met lots of people who' had experiences

they have similar stories then you think

well they can't be watching all the same

science fiction movies so there has to

be something going on and that is the

experience of genuine researchers and

indeed it's my experience when I'm

meeting people you can find a pattern uh

particularly at the levels of abductions

which is where I think you know later on

we can talk about that but I think

that's where we're going to really UNP

unpick or unpack what's going on yeah

and that pattern was what was very

interesting to me I mentioned in your

movie Alien intrusion how I'd heard that

figure that and we talked about it

earlier so 90% well well first of all 20

million people in the US seen uh UFOs

and you said 90% of them can be

explained by physical phenomenon but

there's 10% can't yeah but the 10% that

can't doesn't necessarily mean that it's

alien technology or something

Supernatural it just means we don't have

enough information at the time y to

identify it so let me tell you what

actually real UFO researchers do and I I

know them they're friends of mine they

work for muon in the United States they

go out somebody they write it down

somebody says this is what I saw what

time of the day or night what was the

environment mental conditions like then

they'll say was the Air Force or anybody

conducting drills was the moon out they

they'll investigate all of these things

and so sometimes we don't have access to

all of that information so it might be

explained as man-made or even natural

phenomena we mentioned the planet Venus

there's things like lenticular clouds

flocks of birds that people see uh Etc

you're telling me the space station

you've seen the space station go across

the sky and that looks like light and it

looks like it's traveling it's in a a

straight line and if you don't know what

you're looking at sure and because of

evolution and science fiction people

look up and go I just saw a UFO that's

what happens yes where we can unpick it

though is there is a small percentage

that there is unquestionable evidence of

them doing what I would describe as

Supernatural things that is they appear

they disappear they change shape you

know when I say something acceler Ates

or change or it does a right angle turn

without slowing down I mean you would be

splattered up against the walls of your

craft if you're trying to do those

things and it takes science fiction to

overcome that you know if you watch Star

Trek and Jean Luke Picard you know says

uh make it so and they accelerate into

warp factor 5 they've got these things

called inertial dampers to stop you

getting splattered up against the wall

and that type of stuff but that really

is in the realm of science fiction and

it's not a matter of having advanced

technology it it it you know this annoys

people they say well you can't say this

because we don't know what they'll

develop in the future but we're basing

it on what we do know right not what we

don't know advanced technology uh is it

really going to make you appear and

disappear into from one dimension to

another I I don't think so yeah and the

and some of those things I want to get

to talk on later about the sharp right

angle turns the incredible gForce that

you'd experience um like is is Tech is

it realistic that technology in the

future will overcome some of these

issues um after all of these years of

Investigation uh it appears like the

government doesn't have a an answer

they're not saying this is UFOs they're

not saying this is uaps now but what

they're not saying what it is it's just

a UAP unidentified aerial phenomena was

that right unidentified

anomalous yeah I still think nothing has

changed even though they're being more

candid now than they were in the past

they still don't know what they're

looking at because at the end of the day

you are going to have to collect a a

crashed craft you're going to have to

have alien bodies to try to determine

something and you know we can't lassu or

get my tractor beam in to haul in one of

these uaps or whatever and despite the

claims of their being crashed craft

there are none okay it's as simple as

that but they do leave marks they've

been known to affect our environment

okay just like the movie Clos en counts

of the Third Kind uh lights can go off

strange magnetic forces appear so they

certainly can affect our environment and

our and our realm and that's why I say

there is something serious going on and

um you know anybody who's seen or

experienced these things will tell you

that they are real but how do you

investigate something that appears and

disappears and that's the problem the

government's going to going to face but

I suspect we're facing a time scop

because I would believe and we'll

probably talk about what I've described

as the more Supernatural aspects of

them but most of the world doesn't

recognize the supernatural realm of

course we live in a naturalistic world

all of our science all of the top

universities we're based of naturalism

so we only investigate the natural world

and and really that's what I was until I

had an experience mine was an experience

of God my experience of an alien

experence at the age of 18 I just

believed in the natural world as well so

I I know like the way we work is on the

natural world so how are you going to

get a conclusion about some of these

things that seem to defy laws of science

laws of logic and how are you how are

you going to do that from a naturalistic

mindset and I guess is that that's the

problem right yeah well the when we

first started investigating this there

was something called the

Extraterrestrial hypothesis and that's

the view that real aliens are traveling

in real physical spacecraft you know

from a galaxy far far away to be honest

after all the years of

research most people don't believe that

there's only a few die hards the

alternative is something called the

interdimensional hypothesis can you just

tell us first I really want to hear that

inter interdimensional

hypothesis why is that hypothesis the

previous one the Extraterrestrial

hypothesis why is that one been put

aside now yeah and that's because of

what I said earlier because of what we

do know um if I'm just going to quote

some stats for you all right so just off

here and I had a whole chapter in my

book uh about this where these science

fiction ideas uh can happen so I want

you to imagine the space shuttle and the

satin 5 rockets that took man to the

moon now prior to the new Falcon heavy

rockets that musk's developing these are

the most powerful Vehicles mankind had

ever produced just the main engines on

the space shuttle can produce about 3.3

million kg of thrust now at the best

speed we could must it would it would

take you 800,000 years to reach the next

star to our own Sun Proxima centor which

is 4.3 light years away it takes you

800,000 years yeah yeah so think about

this that's within our own Galaxy so

when you leave our galaxy even if you

could travel at the speed of light right

300,000

km/s it would take you 2 million years

to reach the next galaxy to our own

Milky Way that's Andromeda and the next

galaxy after that is 20 million light

years away right if you could travel at

the speed of light so even if you could

travel double at the speed of light or

10 times the speed of light the

distances are phenomenal and and and

here's the problem you know space is not

empty yeah there's lots of cosmic dust

so even even a grain of dust if you were

traveling at one1 of the speed of light

that would be like 10 tons of

TNT impacting on the hull of your

spaceship go so we see in Star Trek they

have these deflector arrays or force

fields to repel that but you've got to

use the same amount of equally opposing

force that you're traveling with to

deflect that object so that's only

adding to the impossible energy

requirements you know for your ship and

and so a lot of people would say you

know anywhere near the speed of light is

impossible for any you know it's these

particles that have zero weight like

photons or things like this that are

able to travel at or near the speed of

light because as you know your mass

increases as you go near the speed of

light it's an effect of Relativity so so

what you're talking about is two uh was

it two 2 and a half million light years

I think it is to the nearest galaxy 2

million light years to the next Galaxy

yeah Andromeda so so even if we were to

travel a tenth of the speed of Lights 20

million years so so the point here is

that I think you're making is that if

there was extraterrestrial life out

there it couldn't visit us it doesn't

have the time to visit us not not in

spacecraft and that's you know where

we're going to talk about the

interdimensional hypothesis g-forces is

another one you men we didn't talk about

that yeah yeah go on because

acceleration is you know when as I say

on Star Trek when he says make it so and

they jump into warp factor six I mean

could you imagine the acceleration

forces yeah' be splattered and that's

why they invent these things called

inertial dampeners to avoid you but

again it's the stuff of Science Fiction

now it's fun yeah I love science fiction

uh and some science fiction has become

possible Arthur C Clark developed the

you know invented the idea of satellites

above the Earth to you know carry radio

waves to you know get over the line of

sight problem due to the curvature of

the earth so some of it can be but not

this type of stuff you know and again

we've talked about impacts uh Etc and

radiation because radiation even if

we're looking at man emissions to Mars

we're talking several years in duration

the effect of weightlessness the effect

of cosmic radiation on the body uh Etc

and you mentioned about the speed of

light as your mass increases speed

increases speed increases sorry your

mass increases and Einstein theorized

and there's good experimental evidence

to suggest this from what we do know

that as you approach the speed of light

your mass becomes infinite so you've got

to use an infinite amount of energy to

try to get to the speed of what does all

that mean basically it's impossible yeah

the these are not technological barriers

these are laws of physics barriers laws

of Nature's barriers so your point here

is that the Extraterrestrial hypothesis

whilst it was good for a while if we

imagined we could overcome some

technological barriers now we' become

more sure about maybe the laws of nature

we can we understand it's impossible

even if you had um technology which

we've never even dreamed about the laws

of nature prevent alien species from um

other galaxies visiting us exactly so

remember we talked about 100 years ago

in the last 100 years that's when most

of the understanding about the enormous

size of our universe has become apparent

true so the Extraterrestrial hypothesis

was probably more prevalent when we

didn't realize how far these distant

star systems are now that we know how

far they are yes it's impossible and

this is just not an you know a Christian

saying well you know he's a debunker uh

basically scientists and physicists

would agree with this that if we are

being visited we're clearly not being

visited by aliens that are living

millions of light years away and I was

just thinking as you saying that the

last 100 years is as we've gained on

knowledge about relativity it was the

early 20th century that Einstein came up

with special and then general relativity

19 195 1915 so it's that's very

interesting that that matches so what

we've coming to is now it's not an

extraterrestrial hypothesis that's not

you as a Christian Gary saying it's not

extraterrestrials that is the scientific

explanation that's the government

explanation they're coming up and now

it's the interdimensional hypothesis

yeah well we talked about if they don't

believe in the

Supernatural and and naturalism is

really you know their worldview how are

they interpreting it they're going to

say Well it must be coming to us it

can't be Supernatural it's got to be

coming to us from another realm or

Dimension hence the interdimensional

hypothesis and again the reason I'm

saying that is because it's actually

what the evidence demands when you see

something just appear and disappear uh

as I say they sometimes these craft

merge into each other at incredible

speeds and become one object and then go

off in another Direction and when we say

we're seeing these these are just not

eyewitnesses they've been tracked on

radar doing these things this is what I

mean by military pilots and Air Force

officers and then of course we'll talk

about people that are having experiences

what we call abductions well how are the

aliens suddenly appearing in the room

and disappearing alleged aliens Etc so

the interdimensional

hypothesis even in the years I've been

researching this has been a change from

the eth to the idh the interdimensional

hypothesis that's now really the most

popular views and what plays into that

from what I would call a pseudo

scientific aspect is the ideas of

Multiverse and string theory and there

might be different levels to our

existence or different levels in the

universe an unprovable so what's

happening now they're resorting to

unknowns to explain

unknowns yeah interesting so we've said

these things and I just want to

establish with you that like or just

confirm again that you're saying we have

actually seen this happening on radar

the US military have seen this on radar

have seen um things that can only be

explained by something that's

Supernatural in nature things that defy

naturalistic explanation they've seen it

on actual radar they've released footage

that was the shocking thing when they've

always had plausible deniability in the

last couple years they've released

footage of Navy Pilots trying to chase

these things and they can't keep up with

them and you can they've even released

the audio and the pilots just going

crazy trying to EXP explain what he's

seeing and what's happening and then

recently one actually flew into the

water besides a Navy ship and just

disappeared you know flew in an

incredible speed so again there how can

you fly a craft and impact into the

ocean at some incredible Speed without

you know smashing your craft to bits so

you can understand from their

naturalistic worldview this is very very

puzzling y but I honestly believe Scott

as

Christians I really do think this is one

area where we have an advantage and can

explain the answer because the Bible's

always talked about there being another

realm or Dimension and they're looking

at the evidence of what they call UA

uaps and they're coming to a conclusion

it's coming from another realm or

Dimension yeah and and as you said

they're using the they're using unknowns

to explain unknowns they have unknowns

and they're resorting to further

unknowns to explain what is unknown yeah

CU some of these physics theories like

the um Multiverse and things this there

really there's not um we don't have

physical evidence to back these theories

up sh they're often used to explain

phenomena that um don't have

naturalistic explanations exactly just a

funny Loop that Loops back yeah um so so

Gary we're saying that the UFO

phenomenon although 90% can be explained

physically and there's this remaining

10% and some of them we just don't know

but there are definitely some in that

10% that have no natural istic

explanation now I want to move on to

alien abductions now now we said in the

going back to that poll again 20 million

in the US see UFOs 4 million for alien

abductions just in the us alone what's

happening to people when they when they

experience an alien abduction because I

I just want to preface it with this in

your movie you have a clip of a I think

I mentioned him earlier a Harvard

trained psychiatrist I think he's the

head of the Harvard Medical School is

that right yeah trained psychiatrist and

he is appears on his Oprah wi for his

show uh on Oprah and he was also

interviewed by another

psychiatrist you based on his research

asking him what what his discoveries

were but the thing that impacted me in

your movie was when he said when people

are having the alien abduction

experience he said the people he

interviewed they were sane people they

weren't they didn't have any um mental

problems um and the thing that he found

very surprising was they were having

very similar experiences so he said what

and I saw him on the show well what is

this phenomenon how do we explain like

it's a real phenomenon is what he was

saying it's a real psychological

phenomenon how do I explain it yeah

couple of things so we've kind of said

the US government and polls in America

let me just say this is a worldwide

phenomenon so all the governments know

about it um but it's the US government

at the moment that's actually kind of

let the cat out of the bag and have

opened a Pandora's Box I believe um but

you're talking about uh Dr John Mack

deceased now so he was not a Believer

he's a psychiatrist and he'd heard this

story about people claiming alleged

alien abductions and there was a UFO

researcher called Bud Hopkins he appears

in our movie who was interviewing these

what alleged abductees he was

hypnotizing them so he was regressing

their memories supposedly trying to

account for what was happening during

this missing time between you know when

they saw an alien standing in their room

and they wake up hours later and they

can't remember so he thought oh this is

is an interesting psychological

phenomenon to study but then when he

followed Bud Hopkins around he did he

found they all had very similar

experiences uh we have footage of him on

the Oprah Winfrey Show he says it's not

fantasy it's not lies these people are

suffering genuine post-traumatic stress

symptoms and the only thing that

expresses itself like that from a

medical point of view is real experience

so he ended up becoming a believer in it

and one of the world's leading

researchers in that in this and he wrote

a book about abductions and so in one of

the interviews he's being interviewed by

a fellow psychiatrist and this blew me

away because the best of my knowledge

he's not a Christian he's researching

this from again from his naturalistic

worldview but he basically makes the

claim in this interview that we are

dealing with Spirit beings I'm

paraphrasing coming to us from another

realm or Dimension yeah why based upon

the actual evidence of what is happening

to these people yeah and this is right

in the Wheelhouse of Christianity Scott

yeah and I would like to explain why why

that is well as I said the Bible's

always talked about another dimension

and we've had visitors from that

Dimension and they're called Angels good

ones bad ones and the cultural view of

angels is these ethereal Spirit beings

with fairy wings and whatever but show

me in the Bible whe they ever appear

like that they appear physically you

know three sit down with Abraham and eat

food does that mean they have physical

bodies and stomach organs and digestive

tracts but here's the other thing they

affect our environment think about God's

destroying angel in Egypt bringing

plagues against nature for example uh

recently CMI creation ministry as we

conducted a tour of Israel we saw some

of the archaeological evidence there of

the Assyrians and the story says that

when they tried to get attack Jerusalem

one of God's angels killed

187,000 Assyrian soldiers in one night

right so very very powerful beings what

we see in the UFO phenomenon is very

very powerful phenomena affecting our

realm but when I said there's good and

bad Angels well God's angels always

bring a message that is consistent with

what we'd read in God's word yes but the

bad guys what's their job they're there

to deceive and deflect and to take

people's eyes away from the Creator and

one of the key points when it comes to

abductees or alleged abductees in fact

we don't like to call them that because

to be frank they're not being abducted

by aliens they're experiencing something

so we call them experiences but they're

told stories and John Mack a

non-Christian researcher found this out

and he says after their experiences and

some of them are ongoing and multiple

they become evangelists for their aliens

cause they're told told story like the

aliens are the creators or we've been

overseeing human evolution for millions

of years and and I've chosen you and

you're special and I've got a job for

you now we just need to think about that

for a moment if you've you don't know

Jesus you've never read the Bible you've

never been in a church a little gray

entity stands at the bottom of your bed

in the middle of the night and says

you're special and you've not heard that

before because you've not been in church

so you've not heard God says you're

special so that's that's a life-changing

experience for somebody yeah because I

remember I every Christian will say When

God says they're special that's an

incredible life-changing experience but

if you've not had that from your real

Creator God and so it it that's why

their lives are changed wow and here's

the thing it's not you had that

experience last night it's not exactly

something you can go to the office

tomorrow and talk around the water

cooler about you know let me tell you

what happened to me last night I was

abducted I was taken off to Zeta

reticular Etc so what happens is the the

isolating experience drives them in

deeper and then if they have another

experience a similar encounter again

it's the people that are doing the

abusing to them and we haven't spoken

much about that that become their allies

well you're the only one that can

understand because you're the one that's

doing it to me and I can't tell anybody

else and Mack and others found out that

g these experiences are actually harmful

that's why he mentioned post-traumatic

stress syndrome Etc so they're abused

they're sometimes sexually abused and

assaulted uh it's very very sorted what

happens to these people and un

unfortunately but

realistically um you know unlike many of

my colleagues in the ministry because I

spe specialize in this I've had these

people come to me and tell me all of

these details of all of these things

that have happened to them and just like

Max

you can find a pattern of these things

that is is going on with people but as I

say the harmful the experiences

uniformly harmful deleterious some

people were watching and they say well

it wasn't for me you know maybe I had it

and it was good but I guarantee give me

10 minutes with them and I can point out

where it would be harmful to them these

experiences they the people that are ex

having these experiences they often say

that it's good and having something good

happen to them and the aliens as you

mentioned the they're maybe more

advanced and they're the ones that are

overseeing human evolution and they're

almost like the gods and it seems would

you say it's kind of it also fills a

spiritual void as we're becoming less

spiritual in the western world because

in fact yeah you don't have to take my

word for it ethologists have said that

euphology has become a substitute

religion because guess what when we we

talk about our World Views the key

question to our World Views ultimately

is where did I come from from yes am I

evolved am I a cosmic accident or did

God create me and and based upon that

first question you'll determine your

meaning and purpose in life and also

what happens to us when we die but the

alien phenomenon can answer that

question too cuz if aliens are your

creators they're telling you what your

meaning and purpose is and they actually

have their own eschatology too you know

I mean that's a we could do another

whole talk on that because they're going

to take people off to some utopian

planet and we're all going to live in

peace and Harmony and even abductees as

bizarre as this sounds they'll say

they've been up on the spaceship and

they've met Jesus and Buddha and

Muhammad and they're all living together

in peace and Harmony there's this

unifying kind of message which sounds

really really good on the surface yeah

because it's this message of peace and

and here's the thing because of the

experience they actually the the victims

they defend bad behavior and this is

common I mean take abusive relationships

with people you know if some a wife is

getting abused or something she'll often

defend you know the person that's doing

the abusing and there are terms like

Stockholm syndrome where people get

captured they get isolated in a room and

they suddenly become en armored with

their captor cause that's a medical

phenomenon that's readily recognized

Gary you said that we have the answer we

have the answer as Christians so I guess

we have the answer in the Bible what is

the answer what's we've established this

as a real phenomenon

happens to many people what's the answer

well let me just repeat something too

it's not a case where some people have

accused well you're a Christian you're

just trying to shoe Hornet within your

Christian worldview we've established

that the appearances of UFOs themselves

seem to be Supernatural we're going to

talk about the experience or have done

about abductees and it being spiritual

uh in nature and why are they giving

messages to people about Jesus Christ

why are they obsessed with him this

supposedly mythical religious figure why

do aliens travel millions of light years

to talk about Jesus I'm going to mention

that but I want to read out some

examples from scripture uh with some

notes here because I said the Bible's

always indicated there's another realm

or Dimension the most famous visitor we

ever had from that other realm was the

Lord Jesus and he stood before Pilate

during his trial and he said my kingdom

is not of this world my kingdom is from

another place

uh the nature of angels we've discussed

there are good ones there are bad ones

people record the Bible records

encounters with them and the Bible also

tells us never to seek after them there

are multiple warnings in scripture not

to seek after the starry host uh for

example uh we talked about the uh the

change in the nature of people how their

World Views are Chang to a very very

more definite

non-Christian view like the Bible is

really just an old kind of fuddy duddy

book uh Jesus says in Matthew 24 false

christs and false prophets will appear

and perform Great Signs and miracles to

deceive even the elect if that were

possible who's the elect that's the

church he talking about so there's a

warning to be careful of some of these

signs and wonders now I'm not saying

that uniquely applies to the UFO

phenomenon but it could be part of that

because if you are seeing things that

define naturalistic laws and you don't

have a Christian worldview and you come

up with ideas of Multiverse Etc then you

think that aliens are visiting us and

they're our creators um but here's the

real kicker Scott there's over 400 cases

you know that I'm aware of with

collaborators that I work with where

these abductions have been halted by

people calling on the name of Jesus

Christ now I don't want to diminish

people's experiences but you know I've

had comments well you you wear an

aluminum hat or aluminium hat and that

can keep them away and you know that

type of stuff no and in the movie we

have the testimonies of these people who

were having these experiences they were

terrified and in the moment of Terror

they recalled or uh called out to their

childhood memories of who Jesus was and

the instant his name was called it

stopped okay so why do these aliens

respond to Jesus exactly exactly and

that indicates the spiritual nature of

what is going on so the evidence is

spiritual and then when we get to the

level of abductions deceptive messages

are being given to people but then when

they're halted in the name of Jesus that

is incredibly powerful and again when

I'm saying that we've now got hundreds

of testimonies and I can't mention names

but I know people in the higher levels

of UFO investigations that readily

acknowledge this but because of their

positions they can't actually come

forward and candidly reveal this so in

some respects this is one of the best

kept secrets one of the guys my

colleagues my collaborators who worked

on this when he found this out he wasn't

a Christian at the time and he kind of

said well okay what is it about Jesus

that these aliens don't like and he rang

up his colleagues in muon and said look

we think we found something we've got

these testimonies of people in the

moment of their inductions they they

said a prayer they sang A A Psalm A Hymn

something re something Christian that

was spiritual and the abductions stopped

and you know so what is it about Jesus

that they don't like and he found out

that his colleagues in muon already knew

about it wow and their simple answer was

okay so aliens don't like Jesus big big

deal so this is non-christians and muon

can you just say what what does mu muon

is mutual UFO Network it's the world's

larg UFO investigation group here in the

US and they have um collaborators

thousands all over the world

investigating UFOs so non-Christian

organization and they already recognize

that aliens respond to the name of Jesus

but because they don't possess a

Christian

worldview it's ignored and that's why I

said I think we have the answer the

evidence fits what we're seeing and then

the personal testimonies of people

calling on the name of Christ exactly

why as one of them said and I said

earlier if he's supposedly a mythical

religious figure why do these aliens

fear his name so so Gary what um as

Christians what are these entities what

are the what are these things that are

appearing of course we shouldn't assume

everyone readily understands yeah uh

well we mentioned good Angels bad angels

in the Bible so Satan is a fallen angel

uh you know he can read the end of the

good book just like you and I and he

knows what his fate is and we tend to

over complicate things I think sometimes

as Christians he knows what his fate is

he knows who God is he knows that his

creator he's that he is his creator so

the only mechanism he has left to him is

to take down as many of those whom God

loves with him as he can now whether

it's the UFO phenomenon false religions

people involved in spiritism and all

sorts of other psychic phenomena there

are all ways that he can keep people

away from the TR truth

and when you uh align that also with

physical experiences that people have it

becomes very very powerful and I found

in fact Scott it's very very difficult

to try to minister to these people we

have we have the answer but sometimes we

want to kind of grab them and and

shoehorn it down their throat I guess

just to summarize what you're saying

there is these uh Fallen Angels

appearing as aliens so just just so

we've got that clear now we know what

they are we know what the Bible says

about them can you give some advice Gary

to people that might be listening who

have experienced themselves or they have

other people they know who have

experienced how how do we go about

helping these people um and obviously

we've got the truth we can tell them the

truth but um I believe you got some

insight to share with us on yeah we we

can tell them the truth but I have to be

honest not going to be readily accepted

where I think you can unpick it is in

the stories that they're told there's a

massive inconsistency you know person

over here says aliens are our creators

and they come from the padas and aliens

are our creators and they come from

Sirius or Orion they can't all be

telling the truth and I had an

experience in fact very very early on

just after the book was released I was

on Coast to Coast originally from

artbell in its day it was the most

listened to Radio Show in America and

they listen they discussed Bigfoot and

all sorts of strange psychic and

spiritual weird phenomena and I and I

confess this was like my first interview

ever I was doing about aliens and I was

interviewed uh in the early hours of the

morning nationally broadcast across the

US and then we had an hour of talk back

and the first guy came on and he said Mr

Bates he said I've been an experiencer

since I was 6 years of age and this

happened to me and that happened and I

thought you know he's just loading the

machine gun ready to and tell me I don't

know what I'm talking about and I say

I'll never forget it cuz he turned

around he said and you're right he said

how come I never saw this before he said

they don't love me he said they treat me

horribly he said why did I listen to

them wow and I tell you that was to this

day still one of the most powerful

testimonies that just someone being able

to bring Clarity and saying just instead

of being drawn deeper just stand back

and have a look at what's being done to

you have a have a look at what you're

being told is it consistent I've kind of

developed this little saying that I

think there's three things we need to do

if we encounter to someone who's had

these experiences and we need to listen

we need to listen and we need to listen

because if we automatically deny and say

let me tell you what's happening to you

they've had an experience you haven't

had that so we need to empathize with

them and say okay tell me what happens

and and this has happened to me hundreds

of times even in churches people come

along they see the sign that I'm

speaking and they'll come up and they've

never had closure so they are wanting

answer

as to what happened to them but you've

got to kind of lead them along and let

them find out for themselves so first

part is tell me what happened to you and

then you try to pick within that story

The

inconsistencies you know in the story

that well they're really aliens and they

they love you and they're benefiting you

and they've chosen you uh Etc because

once they start to doubt the experience

themselves that's the only time the end

can come about and then of course of

course once you have that door open you

can talk to them well have you heard

about the fact that these experiences

are Haled in the name of Jesus who's

Jesus I've encountered that who's Jesus

from teenagers non-Christian tej can you

believe that so you have to explain to

them who Jesus is well he's the Creator

he's God manifest In the Flesh so if

these are really fallen angels that were

created by him he's the only one that

can have power over them he's the only

way you're going to put a stop to the

experiences wow it's incredible that

you've managed to have these unique um

Ministry opportunities when I say

Ministry ministering one-onone to people

through talking about aliens never would

have thought about it and uh I I never

would have thought about it either when

I started writing that book I I seen

talk to people experienc things that U

no no disrespect but some of my

colleagues have no idea yeah yeah cuz

it's you just would have never thought

that okay I'll talk about aliens and

then I'll end up talk getting a teenager

to ask me who is Jesus yeah and there's

a a great opportunity and thanks for

sharing about the on the radio Coast to

Coast that man and that was the first

interview you'd ever done first ever

interview I'd ever done on Aliens I

wonder if that was meant to be an

encouragement for you to keep going down

this track but it's actually an area

that as Christians we need to be more

aware of and we need people like

yourself um doing the research and

letting us know okay this is the reality

of what's going on and this is how you

engage with these people well I think

it's important because we gave some

testimonies in the movie where people

had had experiences they' gone to the

church now I'm I'm not here to criticize

the church but they sometimes met

pastors or Christians who had no idea of

what was going on so they come up with

answers well you're having a psych

psychological or you know episode or

something or you're being afflicted by a

demon but to the person having the

experience it's like no hang on that's

that's not right I know what happened to

me and so then the next thing they'll go

off to one of those UFO research centers

of which there's thousands all over the

world and they get embraced because they

say we got people just like you come on

in welcome and again they they get

driven deeper into the experience so

that's why so important when we

encounter them for the first time just

to listen uh you know you by affirming

their experience you're not affirming

the deception of what they're told

people can have a real experience but it

can also be a deceptive experience so

Gary we've talked about how to approach

these people and that actually as

Christians we can sympathize with them

we can act because we believe the

spiritual realm is real and we believe

they having a real encounter whereas

someone that's purely naturalistic

mindset is not able to have the same

empathy that we have and so we can come

in with empathy but not only that we do

have the answer and you've had some

incredible times of being able to

minister to these people and them even

seeing the truth and you've managed to

talk to people about Jesus now there

might be another set of people watching

who are experiencing at the moment

Christian non-Christian but they're

experiencing what would your what would

you say to those people um well Scott

the first thing I'd say is it Grieves me

that people are having these

experiences and it might be really

troubling for them to hear you and I

speak and say well it's not what you

think that some how it invalidates it

that's not what I'm saying you know

because I've met them Etc but but if you

are watching and you've had these types

of

experiences what I would say to you is

if you have been watching all along that

we're talking about a spiritual realm

naturalism Evolution can't give an

account for the spiritual realm the

Bible has always said there is a

spiritual realm God himself is spirit

and when Jesus came he came to save us

from these types and forms of deceptions

and the only reason he can do that is

because he is the creator what tends to

happen folks is I think uh you know we

look up in the night sky and we wonder I

wonder what else is out there but Psalm

191 says the heavens declare the glory

of God and I would like to suggest that

when you look up out there you think

about the one who made at all because

only the creator has the power to save

us amen thank you Gary that's amazing

and thank you so much for being here

thank you for doing the research on

behalf of the church and behalf of the

people that are going to benefit from

this um I just thank you for putting

your time I know you've put Blood Sweat

and Tears into this um and as you say if

people want to find out more there's the

movie Alien intrusion Y and the book

yeah the book is alien intrusion

UFOs and the evolution connection and

the movies alien intrusion unmasking a

deception and they're both available

from

creation.com um as DVD as a book and you

can even stream them and ebook also

brilliant thanks so much Gary this has

been really valuable time really eye

openening no matter whether we're an

experiencer or we've not heard about

this subject before I think there's a

lot for people to learn here thank you

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