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20 million people in the US claim to
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have seen a UFO and 4 million claim to
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have been abducted there is something
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serious going on anybody who's seen or
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experienced these things will tell you
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they are real but how do you investigate
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something that appears and
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disappears despite the claims of their
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being crashed craft there are none but
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they do leave marks lights can go off
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strange magnetic forces appear and
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they're looking at the evidence and
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they're coming to a conclusion it's
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coming from another realm or
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Dimension but here's the real kicker
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Scott there's cases where these
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abductions have been halted by people
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calling on the name of Jesus Christ as
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Christians this is one area where we can
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explain the answer what is the
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answer Gary today the UFO and alien
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issue looms larger than ever with World
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governments openly and officially
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investigating this issue is now I'm
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really excited to be here with you today
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because you've got over 25 years
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experience in researching this matter
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you're a bestselling author on the
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matter and you have an award-winning
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movie on aliens and UFOs so thanks for
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being with me here today and what I want
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to ask you first of all is um what are
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people seeing and is the government
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actually recording um this data and are
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they covering things up well thank you
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uh first off let me say that there's
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been a change uh the government has
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officially coined a term called uaps so
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they don't call them UFOs anymore which
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meant unidentified flying objects it's
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unidentified anomalous phenomena to
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explain what they're seeing and I think
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the reason they've done that is you know
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the history of UFOs which is a serious
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topic but it has some kind of cheesy
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flaky uh you know historical aspects to
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it we peing the past so I think they're
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trying to uh view it as a more
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legitimate area that needs to be
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investigated and indeed the US
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government um has not been candid about
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what they're seeing everybody who
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studies this like myself knows that they
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and lots of people are seeing things and
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I think to credit them in some way
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they've not known what they're dealing
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with which is why they've not been
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candid but uh there's been a bit of a
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Quantum shift in the last few years
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under the Obama Administration Harry
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Reed former uh leader Senate Majority
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Leader he's turned around and said we
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were continuing to fund Research into
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UFOs so that was a bit of a surprise to
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a lot of people uh but not to people
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like me who researched in fact the US
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government has been researching UFOs for
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over 70 years wow right back in the
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1940s they started with two projects
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sign and Grudge and then Project Blue
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Book which was made into a History
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Channel series there was the Condon
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report and of course there was the
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famous Roswell incident and an
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independent group called the government
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uh Accounting Office investigated uh
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that as well so yes they are seeing
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something Ordinary People see things uh
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lots of them have contact me even about
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their experiences and the things that
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they see but the fact that the
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government is now admitting that they
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are seeing something and they're openly
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investigating it uh in the 20 something
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years I've been researching this that
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that's a big change yeah one of the
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amazing things that I saw when watching
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your movie Alien intrusion was that this
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has actually been a phenomena that is
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very widespread and I remember hearing a
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fact on the movie and I think it was you
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can correct me here it was I think it
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was a a Harvard psychiatrist saying that
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the statistics were or he was referring
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to a poll I think that 20 million people
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in the US have seen a UFO claim to have
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seen a UFO and 4 million claimed to have
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been abducted yeah well that was
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actually based on something called a
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Roper pole in
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1998 and of course they take a sample
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size and then extrapolate that to a
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larger group yes but I actually think
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those figures are probably correct
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because uh and probably even more
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because wherever I go and speak on it
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which has been hundreds of times uh
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almost without fail Scott somebody comes
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up to me and tells me that they've seen
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things and I've literally met hundreds
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and hundreds of people that have seen
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things they're looking for closure they
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don't know what they saw the simple fact
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is that over 90% of UA uh UAP or UFO
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sightings can be explained by natural
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phenomena or man-made phenomena people
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are looking up lay people they don't
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know what they're seeing um things like
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the planet Venus incredibly accounts for
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you know about over 30% of all UFO
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sightings how can that be it's because
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it appears early in the night Sky it
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doesn't twinkle like a star looks like a
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glowing ball and what causes people to
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interpret things that way are they're
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kind of the worldviews and what I call
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Pop Culture UFOs are interpreted like
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many things in our world based on our
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belief systems if you believe that there
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was a big bang 14 billion years ago and
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that our Earth is in a relatively young
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part of the universe there are alien
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races that could be millions or billions
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of years older than us on the
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evolutionary scale and could you imagine
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the advances in technology they've
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developed in that time and that's how
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come they can fly millions of light
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years across the the Galaxy or the
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universe rather and stealthily abduct
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people from their beds in the middle of
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the night now the other option of course
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is which we can talk about later is you
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know well there's Evolution or there's
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creation so that then begs the question
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did God create aliens but you know we
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can do with that one probably later on
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yeah and I think something very
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interesting I think I got this from your
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movie as well is that that um 200 years
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ago if a farmer I think you mentioned an
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example like this if a farmer in his
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field saw a flash in the sky he probably
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wouldn't be able to say it's a UFO would
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he he wouldn't know what it means he
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probably doesn't even realize there are
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distant star systems so he interprets it
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within his cultural understanding of the
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day you know maybe I need to go and get
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my eyes checked or maybe it's a
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spiritual Phenom a demon or whatever
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depending what religion uh they believe
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in but um you know getting back to the
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government there they uh as I said
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they've been investigating and and very
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recently there was Congressional hearing
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about this yeah I wanted to ask you
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about this so this was as recent as July
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2023 um and there were really some
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spectacular claims um it looks like the
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government is actually admitting they're
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actually admitting now something is
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going on which you
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mentioned so why are they admitting that
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now and so this is 2023 it's a new age
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the government is admitting something's
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going on on why are they admitting it
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now and were they covering up earlier
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well in uh in my movie Alien intrusion
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I'm asking a deception we showed some
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footage from a
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2010 uh meeting uh conference at the
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Washington Press Club and over 80 Air
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Force officers these are just not
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enlisted guys so these are guys with you
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know responsible positions in the
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military got up and gave testimony about
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seeing UFOs flying at speeds that are
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conventional craft can't do they merge
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into one another they do right angle
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turns or accelerate towards the ground
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and come back up without slowing down so
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these are literally defying the laws of
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physics and then more shockingly they
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said that they've entered uh nuclear
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missile silos and have affected the
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operational Readiness of nuclear weapons
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so that was very startling so I to be
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honest I've never mentioned and spoken
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about that because it's almost like a
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bridge too far to mention it's too hard
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to believe
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but Harry Reid who I mentioned before
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you can watch on YouTube in fact go to
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creation.com in one of our articles
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there type in his name you can see an
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interview where he actually says that
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these uaps have affected uh the
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operational ress of America's nuclear
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Arsenal to such an extent that if the
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president had ordered a first strike or
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even a defensive strike he wouldn't have
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been able to so when you've got people
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in your military who are witnessing all
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of this stuff it's ultimately going to
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be a bit hard to keep the lid on it
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forever do do you think that's true that
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go so Harry Reid who who who was he
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again and former Senate M majority
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leader in the house so second after
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after the president vice president he's
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the next guy in line uh yeah so he's a
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UFO Enthusiast though he's a UFO
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believer okay and you'll see elsewhere
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but yes I you know there are too many
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testimonies from military personnel uh
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and that's a serious thing as you can
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imagine yeah but his the thing what are
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they dealing with and they still don't
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know yeah and and you said he's a
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Believer there and we were chatting
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earlier before we started this and you
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were saying that actually people are
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influenced by their prior beliefs in
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fact you've already mentioned it already
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it's the worldview of the day you in so
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could have that had an influence as well
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I I think so I think uh you know polls
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have shown and and even my own informal
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polls I think if you go and ask any high
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schooler in a public high schooler in
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Australia or America or the UK or
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anywhere do aliens exist you'll get of
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course they do yeah it's not a maybe
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yeah uh and again what underpins that is
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the fact that we live in such a massive
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universe and people think if Evolution's
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true must have evolved somewhere else
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yeah if if we're just here by accident
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and the universe is huge then there must
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have been other accidents happening
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elsewhere absolutely cuz look at the
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time frames we're talking billions of
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years you know not thousands or hundreds
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and millions billions of years is the
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age of the universe
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yeah and as we were saying the so that
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we're told that the Earth is only 4.5
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billion years old so the solar system is
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about that old but possibly there's
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other star systems that evolved earlier
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and therefore they might be more
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advanced yeah wow so exactly so this so
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it's interesting that this is driven by
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evolutionary worldview and would that
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match the timing as well Gary you know
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how so the theory of evolution came
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about Charles Darwin 1859 the Origin of
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Species um how soon after that did we
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start getting the thought about aliens
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or was aliens was that possible before
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no not really I think uh it's it's a
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modern phenomenon the phenomenon itself
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is not new it's the interpretation of
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the phenomenon that's new uh we can talk
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about it later but in the movie we
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showed in ancient history wherever we've
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got written records the ancient Greeks
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Alexander said he saw flying Shields
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attacking his army wow American Indians
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have stories of flying canoes with
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occupants on board for example so we
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have record CS of these anomalous
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sightings throughout history but again
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are they interpreting something that is
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shiny and metallic as a flying canoe or
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are they literally seeing a flying canoe
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we don't know cuz we're not there my
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personal view is it manifests towards
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the cultural understanding of the day
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and I'm not alone in that even
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non-Christian researchers like Nick
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Redfern will say that it masquerades
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towards the understanding of the people
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that it's appearing to
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interesting so some of some of this
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might be due to the popular idea of
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aliens and that even being possible so
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the evolutionary worldview coming into
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existence 200ish years ago has
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influenced how this phenomenon manifests
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yep definitely it's it's changed over
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time there's no question it's changed in
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the last 100 years it's only since about
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the 1940s which corresponds with the Jed
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age that we start to see the idea of
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flying discs or and you know the most
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popular shape in the 70s was the
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triangle shape and you know I have no
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idea why to be frank so people spotting
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a UFO that'd usually see a triangle
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that's that was very very common yeah
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interesting and I guess there's also
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since the roughly the 60s I know at
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least in America and the and Australia
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there's Evolutions been taught in all
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schools since about that age so you
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you've got that um worldview being set
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in people's minds so they're
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interpreting this phenomena that way say
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something here so in my experience most
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Christians also don't have a problem
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with the idea that God created aliens
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and they're possibly visiting us as well
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so it's the door is definitely open on
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that one and that's something we need to
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talk about yeah I really I do want to
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touch on that because I've experienced
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the same there's a lot of Christians
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that say Okay God could have created
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things so instead of evolving in
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different places God could have created
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aliens on other planets so we're going
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to hit that one and talk about what the
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Bible says on that I'd like you to
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explain that to us so we've talked about
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the July 2023 Congressional hearings um
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but what about there's something even
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more recent than that September 2023 we
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had the little aliens in the Mexican
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Government what's that all about yeah
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and look uh there there's a term in
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euphology uh which is kind of the study
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of UFOs I suppose are qualify as a
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ethologist but um uh and it's called
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debunker so when something comes up
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you're always to too eager to put it
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down so let me just say I've already
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said there is something going on that we
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need to quantify but in this case this
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is one of those that is media hype and
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unfortunately the gentleman who brought
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forward these two supposedly alien
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bodies uh and to be honest they look
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fake and I think it's because they are
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um you've got to dive between dive
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underneath and deeper in the press
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report
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so you see things like alien bodies now
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the gentleman that produced these his
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name is Jamie mouson I mentioned him in
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my book He's a well-known Mexican
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ethologist he's been criticized and
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found out hoaxing and faking stuff
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before uh Etc there was a Peruvian uh
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mummy that was allegedly alien uh in the
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past um and what they say are things
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like we are getting scientific research
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done on this so they're not telling you
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the results of that so when you hear oh
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they're getting scientific research the
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initial inclination is to think oh the
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scientific research is supporting the
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claim but you can go on there and you
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can see that the scientists and the body
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that he sent it to have dis distance
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themselves from his claims right and the
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best we can find out because it takes a
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while and they'll officially publish a
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report and probably a journal article
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somewhere that it's an assemblage of
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llama bones and there some human bones
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in there and all sorts of stuff like
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that and this reminds me of another
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episode uh which I wrote about another
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famous ethologist called Steven Greer uh
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his former medical doctor he had a movie
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called Sirus I've written a review on
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creation.com about that but it was one
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called the ataka alien and there were
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pictures of it and it it looks humanoid
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but it's got a very weird shaped head
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Etc um and it's de definitely a
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mummified organism so in the movie he
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said we are getting DNA testing done on
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this wow they're getting DNA testing it
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must be real but then later the
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organization that was doing the DNA
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testing came out and they said it's
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human it was a deformed you know uh
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fetus it was the case of dwarfism and in
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the very very dry desert in Peru it had
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desicated the body but because of its uh
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you know um abnormalities it had a weird
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shaped head and so on and that and that
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kind of reminds me just just on that you
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know we mentioned the Congressional
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hearings y there was a former military
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intelligence officer Air Force officer
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named David grou and I've been sent a
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lot of emails about this I watched it he
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was asked by one of the politicians he
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said and the question was have you
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recovered alien bodies and again I'm
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going to be fairly critical here because
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his answer really told me everything
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that I needed to know he didn't answer
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yes or no he said we have recovered
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non-human biological material I mean
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what does that mean right I mean it
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could have been a bug on the wind screen
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I mean it's anything that is nonhuman
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could be biological material so why do I
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say this you know people are complex
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beings we either put them in the
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categories you know they're mad or
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they're bad but we talked about our
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World Views and our beliefs shaping
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apart and I've experienced that there
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are very very sincere people who believe
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that aliens are visiting us and the
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government's covering it up and
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sometimes the end justifies the means
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you know what I'm saying like I want you
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to believe Scott what I believe so if
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I'm not quite candid with the truth and
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it causes you to investigate more maybe
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I can get you you know on board with us
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Etc so when somebody gives a bit of an
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evasive answer like that it tells me ah
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okay he's he's not playing with a
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straight bat as we'd say in Australia
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interesting but said you're not a
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debunker and so you recognize these
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experiences that these people have had
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so I think what you're saying Gary
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correct me if I'm wrong is that you're
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saying okay I acknowledge that some of
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these people even the people that are
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fraudsters for one of a better word that
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are putting forward things as real alien
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bodies but they're not would you say
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that they're maybe they're probably an
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experiencer someone that's had an
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experience because was we had 4 million
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people and that's just in the US
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experienced alien abductions um they're
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an experiencer and they want other
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people to know that this is a real thing
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because to them it was very real is that
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a fair yeah I think that's that can be
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part of it it might not they might not
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be experienc of themselves but they've
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met lots of people who' had experiences
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they have similar stories then you think
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well they can't be watching all the same
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science fiction movies so there has to
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be something going on and that is the
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experience of genuine researchers and
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indeed it's my experience when I'm
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meeting people you can find a pattern uh
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particularly at the levels of abductions
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which is where I think you know later on
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we can talk about that but I think
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that's where we're going to really UNP
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unpick or unpack what's going on yeah
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and that pattern was what was very
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interesting to me I mentioned in your
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movie Alien intrusion how I'd heard that
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figure that and we talked about it
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earlier so 90% well well first of all 20
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million people in the US seen uh UFOs
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and you said 90% of them can be
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explained by physical phenomenon but
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there's 10% can't yeah but the 10% that
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can't doesn't necessarily mean that it's
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alien technology or something
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Supernatural it just means we don't have
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enough information at the time y to
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identify it so let me tell you what
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actually real UFO researchers do and I I
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know them they're friends of mine they
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work for muon in the United States they
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go out somebody they write it down
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somebody says this is what I saw what
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time of the day or night what was the
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environment mental conditions like then
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they'll say was the Air Force or anybody
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conducting drills was the moon out they
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they'll investigate all of these things
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and so sometimes we don't have access to
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all of that information so it might be
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explained as man-made or even natural
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phenomena we mentioned the planet Venus
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there's things like lenticular clouds
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flocks of birds that people see uh Etc
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you're telling me the space station
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you've seen the space station go across
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the sky and that looks like light and it
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looks like it's traveling it's in a a
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straight line and if you don't know what
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you're looking at sure and because of
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evolution and science fiction people
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look up and go I just saw a UFO that's
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what happens yes where we can unpick it
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though is there is a small percentage
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that there is unquestionable evidence of
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them doing what I would describe as
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Supernatural things that is they appear
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they disappear they change shape you
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know when I say something acceler Ates
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or change or it does a right angle turn
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without slowing down I mean you would be
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splattered up against the walls of your
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craft if you're trying to do those
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things and it takes science fiction to
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overcome that you know if you watch Star
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Trek and Jean Luke Picard you know says
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uh make it so and they accelerate into
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warp factor 5 they've got these things
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called inertial dampers to stop you
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getting splattered up against the wall
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and that type of stuff but that really
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is in the realm of science fiction and
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it's not a matter of having advanced
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technology it it it you know this annoys
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people they say well you can't say this
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because we don't know what they'll
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develop in the future but we're basing
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it on what we do know right not what we
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don't know advanced technology uh is it
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really going to make you appear and
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disappear into from one dimension to
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00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,119
another I I don't think so yeah and the
545
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,839
and some of those things I want to get
546
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,158
to talk on later about the sharp right
547
00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:32,119
angle turns the incredible gForce that
548
00:21:29,159 --> 00:21:33,640
you'd experience um like is is Tech is
549
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,439
it realistic that technology in the
550
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,320
future will overcome some of these
551
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,400
issues um after all of these years of
552
00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:42,678
Investigation uh it appears like the
553
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:45,240
government doesn't have a an answer
554
00:21:42,679 --> 00:21:47,679
they're not saying this is UFOs they're
555
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,079
not saying this is uaps now but what
556
00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:51,840
they're not saying what it is it's just
557
00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:54,158
a UAP unidentified aerial phenomena was
558
00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:57,519
that right unidentified
559
00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:59,039
anomalous yeah I still think nothing has
560
00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:01,599
changed even though they're being more
561
00:21:59,038 --> 00:22:02,879
candid now than they were in the past
562
00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:04,719
they still don't know what they're
563
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,799
looking at because at the end of the day
564
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:10,558
you are going to have to collect a a
565
00:22:07,798 --> 00:22:13,000
crashed craft you're going to have to
566
00:22:10,558 --> 00:22:14,879
have alien bodies to try to determine
567
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,599
something and you know we can't lassu or
568
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,000
get my tractor beam in to haul in one of
569
00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:22,439
these uaps or whatever and despite the
570
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,880
claims of their being crashed craft
571
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,360
there are none okay it's as simple as
572
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,200
that but they do leave marks they've
573
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,079
been known to affect our environment
574
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:36,038
okay just like the movie Clos en counts
575
00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:39,119
of the Third Kind uh lights can go off
576
00:22:36,038 --> 00:22:41,480
strange magnetic forces appear so they
577
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,158
certainly can affect our environment and
578
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,960
our and our realm and that's why I say
579
00:22:43,159 --> 00:22:48,520
there is something serious going on and
580
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,440
um you know anybody who's seen or
581
00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:53,038
experienced these things will tell you
582
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,120
that they are real but how do you
583
00:22:53,038 --> 00:22:58,158
investigate something that appears and
584
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,879
disappears and that's the problem the
585
00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:01,960
government's going to going to face but
586
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:04,320
I suspect we're facing a time scop
587
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,240
because I would believe and we'll
588
00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:08,558
probably talk about what I've described
589
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,880
as the more Supernatural aspects of
590
00:23:08,558 --> 00:23:12,798
them but most of the world doesn't
591
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,480
recognize the supernatural realm of
592
00:23:12,798 --> 00:23:16,240
course we live in a naturalistic world
593
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,720
all of our science all of the top
594
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,240
universities we're based of naturalism
595
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,038
so we only investigate the natural world
596
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,159
and and really that's what I was until I
597
00:23:24,038 --> 00:23:27,919
had an experience mine was an experience
598
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:30,159
of God my experience of an alien
599
00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:31,720
experence at the age of 18 I just
600
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:34,600
believed in the natural world as well so
601
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,278
I I know like the way we work is on the
602
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,519
natural world so how are you going to
603
00:23:36,278 --> 00:23:43,440
get a conclusion about some of these
604
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:45,918
things that seem to defy laws of science
605
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,278
laws of logic and how are you how are
606
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:48,840
you going to do that from a naturalistic
607
00:23:47,278 --> 00:23:51,558
mindset and I guess is that that's the
608
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:53,359
problem right yeah well the when we
609
00:23:51,558 --> 00:23:54,480
first started investigating this there
610
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,319
was something called the
611
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,360
Extraterrestrial hypothesis and that's
612
00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:01,319
the view that real aliens are traveling
613
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,798
in real physical spacecraft you know
614
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:05,599
from a galaxy far far away to be honest
615
00:24:03,798 --> 00:24:07,960
after all the years of
616
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:10,199
research most people don't believe that
617
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,278
there's only a few die hards the
618
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,360
alternative is something called the
619
00:24:12,278 --> 00:24:15,759
interdimensional hypothesis can you just
620
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,079
tell us first I really want to hear that
621
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:21,158
inter interdimensional
622
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:22,960
hypothesis why is that hypothesis the
623
00:24:21,159 --> 00:24:25,240
previous one the Extraterrestrial
624
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,919
hypothesis why is that one been put
625
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,919
aside now yeah and that's because of
626
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:32,840
what I said earlier because of what we
627
00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:35,120
do know um if I'm just going to quote
628
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,959
some stats for you all right so just off
629
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,879
here and I had a whole chapter in my
630
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:43,120
book uh about this where these science
631
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,559
fiction ideas uh can happen so I want
632
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,398
you to imagine the space shuttle and the
633
00:24:45,558 --> 00:24:49,918
satin 5 rockets that took man to the
634
00:24:47,398 --> 00:24:51,839
moon now prior to the new Falcon heavy
635
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:54,960
rockets that musk's developing these are
636
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:57,240
the most powerful Vehicles mankind had
637
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,919
ever produced just the main engines on
638
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:04,880
the space shuttle can produce about 3.3
639
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:07,880
million kg of thrust now at the best
640
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,960
speed we could must it would it would
641
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:16,000
take you 800,000 years to reach the next
642
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:18,880
star to our own Sun Proxima centor which
643
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,079
is 4.3 light years away it takes you
644
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,960
800,000 years yeah yeah so think about
645
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:27,960
this that's within our own Galaxy so
646
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,960
when you leave our galaxy even if you
647
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,720
could travel at the speed of light right
648
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,600
300,000
649
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,558
km/s it would take you 2 million years
650
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:41,000
to reach the next galaxy to our own
651
00:25:38,558 --> 00:25:44,200
Milky Way that's Andromeda and the next
652
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:47,319
galaxy after that is 20 million light
653
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,960
years away right if you could travel at
654
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:50,839
the speed of light so even if you could
655
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,360
travel double at the speed of light or
656
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:56,038
10 times the speed of light the
657
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,439
distances are phenomenal and and and
658
00:25:56,038 --> 00:26:01,640
here's the problem you know space is not
659
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:04,320
empty yeah there's lots of cosmic dust
660
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:07,520
so even even a grain of dust if you were
661
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:10,000
traveling at one1 of the speed of light
662
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:12,319
that would be like 10 tons of
663
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:16,038
TNT impacting on the hull of your
664
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:17,960
spaceship go so we see in Star Trek they
665
00:26:16,038 --> 00:26:20,079
have these deflector arrays or force
666
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,840
fields to repel that but you've got to
667
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:24,918
use the same amount of equally opposing
668
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,678
force that you're traveling with to
669
00:26:24,919 --> 00:26:29,399
deflect that object so that's only
670
00:26:26,679 --> 00:26:31,720
adding to the impossible energy
671
00:26:29,398 --> 00:26:33,599
requirements you know for your ship and
672
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,480
and so a lot of people would say you
673
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:38,519
know anywhere near the speed of light is
674
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,919
impossible for any you know it's these
675
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:42,398
particles that have zero weight like
676
00:26:40,919 --> 00:26:44,038
photons or things like this that are
677
00:26:42,398 --> 00:26:46,239
able to travel at or near the speed of
678
00:26:44,038 --> 00:26:47,720
light because as you know your mass
679
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,440
increases as you go near the speed of
680
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,960
light it's an effect of Relativity so so
681
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,679
what you're talking about is two uh was
682
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,558
it two 2 and a half million light years
683
00:26:54,679 --> 00:26:58,159
I think it is to the nearest galaxy 2
684
00:26:56,558 --> 00:27:00,278
million light years to the next Galaxy
685
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:02,080
yeah Andromeda so so even if we were to
686
00:27:00,278 --> 00:27:04,919
travel a tenth of the speed of Lights 20
687
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:06,918
million years so so the point here is
688
00:27:04,919 --> 00:27:08,840
that I think you're making is that if
689
00:27:06,919 --> 00:27:11,159
there was extraterrestrial life out
690
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:13,519
there it couldn't visit us it doesn't
691
00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:15,640
have the time to visit us not not in
692
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:16,480
spacecraft and that's you know where
693
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,960
we're going to talk about the
694
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,319
interdimensional hypothesis g-forces is
695
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,720
another one you men we didn't talk about
696
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:24,359
that yeah yeah go on because
697
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,360
acceleration is you know when as I say
698
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,959
on Star Trek when he says make it so and
699
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,959
they jump into warp factor six I mean
700
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,120
could you imagine the acceleration
701
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,440
forces yeah' be splattered and that's
702
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,918
why they invent these things called
703
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,840
inertial dampeners to avoid you but
704
00:27:36,919 --> 00:27:42,440
again it's the stuff of Science Fiction
705
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:44,319
now it's fun yeah I love science fiction
706
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,720
uh and some science fiction has become
707
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:48,839
possible Arthur C Clark developed the
708
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,440
you know invented the idea of satellites
709
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:53,959
above the Earth to you know carry radio
710
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,399
waves to you know get over the line of
711
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,319
sight problem due to the curvature of
712
00:27:55,398 --> 00:27:59,879
the earth so some of it can be but not
713
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:04,278
this type of stuff you know and again
714
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:06,720
we've talked about impacts uh Etc and
715
00:28:04,278 --> 00:28:09,960
radiation because radiation even if
716
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:13,519
we're looking at man emissions to Mars
717
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,240
we're talking several years in duration
718
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:19,558
the effect of weightlessness the effect
719
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,839
of cosmic radiation on the body uh Etc
720
00:28:19,558 --> 00:28:23,278
and you mentioned about the speed of
721
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:24,839
light as your mass increases speed
722
00:28:23,278 --> 00:28:26,880
increases speed increases sorry your
723
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:28,359
mass increases and Einstein theorized
724
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,880
and there's good experimental evidence
725
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,918
to suggest this from what we do know
726
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,159
that as you approach the speed of light
727
00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:38,278
your mass becomes infinite so you've got
728
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,840
to use an infinite amount of energy to
729
00:28:38,278 --> 00:28:42,240
try to get to the speed of what does all
730
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:44,199
that mean basically it's impossible yeah
731
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,640
the these are not technological barriers
732
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,558
these are laws of physics barriers laws
733
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,880
of Nature's barriers so your point here
734
00:28:48,558 --> 00:28:53,558
is that the Extraterrestrial hypothesis
735
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,240
whilst it was good for a while if we
736
00:28:53,558 --> 00:28:57,038
imagined we could overcome some
737
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,120
technological barriers now we' become
738
00:28:57,038 --> 00:29:02,200
more sure about maybe the laws of nature
739
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,079
we can we understand it's impossible
740
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,720
even if you had um technology which
741
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:09,480
we've never even dreamed about the laws
742
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:12,319
of nature prevent alien species from um
743
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,720
other galaxies visiting us exactly so
744
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:17,439
remember we talked about 100 years ago
745
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,399
in the last 100 years that's when most
746
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,000
of the understanding about the enormous
747
00:29:19,398 --> 00:29:24,239
size of our universe has become apparent
748
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,919
true so the Extraterrestrial hypothesis
749
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,399
was probably more prevalent when we
750
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:31,000
didn't realize how far these distant
751
00:29:28,398 --> 00:29:33,278
star systems are now that we know how
752
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,440
far they are yes it's impossible and
753
00:29:33,278 --> 00:29:38,359
this is just not an you know a Christian
754
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,720
saying well you know he's a debunker uh
755
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:42,439
basically scientists and physicists
756
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,200
would agree with this that if we are
757
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,600
being visited we're clearly not being
758
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,038
visited by aliens that are living
759
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:49,240
millions of light years away and I was
760
00:29:48,038 --> 00:29:51,679
just thinking as you saying that the
761
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,038
last 100 years is as we've gained on
762
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:55,640
knowledge about relativity it was the
763
00:29:53,038 --> 00:29:57,038
early 20th century that Einstein came up
764
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,360
with special and then general relativity
765
00:29:57,038 --> 00:30:01,558
19 195 1915 so it's that's very
766
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,000
interesting that that matches so what
767
00:30:01,558 --> 00:30:05,278
we've coming to is now it's not an
768
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,319
extraterrestrial hypothesis that's not
769
00:30:05,278 --> 00:30:10,759
you as a Christian Gary saying it's not
770
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:12,158
extraterrestrials that is the scientific
771
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,599
explanation that's the government
772
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:15,200
explanation they're coming up and now
773
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:17,000
it's the interdimensional hypothesis
774
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,440
yeah well we talked about if they don't
775
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,000
believe in the
776
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,880
Supernatural and and naturalism is
777
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,880
really you know their worldview how are
778
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,278
they interpreting it they're going to
779
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,679
say Well it must be coming to us it
780
00:30:28,278 --> 00:30:31,880
can't be Supernatural it's got to be
781
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:34,640
coming to us from another realm or
782
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,600
Dimension hence the interdimensional
783
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,640
hypothesis and again the reason I'm
784
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:41,038
saying that is because it's actually
785
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,559
what the evidence demands when you see
786
00:30:41,038 --> 00:30:46,599
something just appear and disappear uh
787
00:30:44,558 --> 00:30:49,319
as I say they sometimes these craft
788
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:52,038
merge into each other at incredible
789
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:55,038
speeds and become one object and then go
790
00:30:52,038 --> 00:30:56,519
off in another Direction and when we say
791
00:30:55,038 --> 00:30:58,158
we're seeing these these are just not
792
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,480
eyewitnesses they've been tracked on
793
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:03,760
radar doing these things this is what I
794
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,000
mean by military pilots and Air Force
795
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:08,200
officers and then of course we'll talk
796
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,480
about people that are having experiences
797
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,319
what we call abductions well how are the
798
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,079
aliens suddenly appearing in the room
799
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:16,839
and disappearing alleged aliens Etc so
800
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:19,000
the interdimensional
801
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:20,959
hypothesis even in the years I've been
802
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,798
researching this has been a change from
803
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:27,759
the eth to the idh the interdimensional
804
00:31:24,798 --> 00:31:30,319
hypothesis that's now really the most
805
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:31,960
popular views and what plays into that
806
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,319
from what I would call a pseudo
807
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,759
scientific aspect is the ideas of
808
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:38,319
Multiverse and string theory and there
809
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,240
might be different levels to our
810
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:42,720
existence or different levels in the
811
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,120
universe an unprovable so what's
812
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,839
happening now they're resorting to
813
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:50,319
unknowns to explain
814
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:52,038
unknowns yeah interesting so we've said
815
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:54,960
these things and I just want to
816
00:31:52,038 --> 00:31:57,720
establish with you that like or just
817
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,720
confirm again that you're saying we have
818
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,919
actually seen this happening on radar
819
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,038
the US military have seen this on radar
820
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:05,200
have seen um things that can only be
821
00:32:04,038 --> 00:32:07,319
explained by something that's
822
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,278
Supernatural in nature things that defy
823
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:11,519
naturalistic explanation they've seen it
824
00:32:09,278 --> 00:32:13,038
on actual radar they've released footage
825
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:15,120
that was the shocking thing when they've
826
00:32:13,038 --> 00:32:16,480
always had plausible deniability in the
827
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,439
last couple years they've released
828
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,679
footage of Navy Pilots trying to chase
829
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,120
these things and they can't keep up with
830
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:25,600
them and you can they've even released
831
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:27,638
the audio and the pilots just going
832
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:29,519
crazy trying to EXP explain what he's
833
00:32:27,638 --> 00:32:32,158
seeing and what's happening and then
834
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:34,919
recently one actually flew into the
835
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:36,639
water besides a Navy ship and just
836
00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:39,080
disappeared you know flew in an
837
00:32:36,638 --> 00:32:41,558
incredible speed so again there how can
838
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:44,158
you fly a craft and impact into the
839
00:32:41,558 --> 00:32:47,720
ocean at some incredible Speed without
840
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:49,080
you know smashing your craft to bits so
841
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,440
you can understand from their
842
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:54,319
naturalistic worldview this is very very
843
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,240
puzzling y but I honestly believe Scott
844
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:58,079
as
845
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,038
Christians I really do think this is one
846
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:02,000
area where we have an advantage and can
847
00:33:00,038 --> 00:33:04,398
explain the answer because the Bible's
848
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,960
always talked about there being another
849
00:33:04,398 --> 00:33:09,000
realm or Dimension and they're looking
850
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,880
at the evidence of what they call UA
851
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,519
uaps and they're coming to a conclusion
852
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,080
it's coming from another realm or
853
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:19,000
Dimension yeah and and as you said
854
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:20,720
they're using the they're using unknowns
855
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,839
to explain unknowns they have unknowns
856
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,880
and they're resorting to further
857
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,439
unknowns to explain what is unknown yeah
858
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,679
CU some of these physics theories like
859
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,919
the um Multiverse and things this there
860
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:32,480
really there's not um we don't have
861
00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:35,880
physical evidence to back these theories
862
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,480
up sh they're often used to explain
863
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,480
phenomena that um don't have
864
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:43,159
naturalistic explanations exactly just a
865
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,120
funny Loop that Loops back yeah um so so
866
00:33:43,159 --> 00:33:48,399
Gary we're saying that the UFO
867
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:50,199
phenomenon although 90% can be explained
868
00:33:48,398 --> 00:33:52,638
physically and there's this remaining
869
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,360
10% and some of them we just don't know
870
00:33:52,638 --> 00:33:57,319
but there are definitely some in that
871
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:59,719
10% that have no natural istic
872
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:02,200
explanation now I want to move on to
873
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,759
alien abductions now now we said in the
874
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,880
going back to that poll again 20 million
875
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:09,320
in the US see UFOs 4 million for alien
876
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,320
abductions just in the us alone what's
877
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,240
happening to people when they when they
878
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,480
experience an alien abduction because I
879
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,959
I just want to preface it with this in
880
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,960
your movie you have a clip of a I think
881
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,480
I mentioned him earlier a Harvard
882
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,079
trained psychiatrist I think he's the
883
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,599
head of the Harvard Medical School is
884
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,839
that right yeah trained psychiatrist and
885
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:30,960
he is appears on his Oprah wi for his
886
00:34:28,838 --> 00:34:32,559
show uh on Oprah and he was also
887
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,720
interviewed by another
888
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,559
psychiatrist you based on his research
889
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,918
asking him what what his discoveries
890
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,838
were but the thing that impacted me in
891
00:34:37,918 --> 00:34:41,398
your movie was when he said when people
892
00:34:39,838 --> 00:34:42,719
are having the alien abduction
893
00:34:41,398 --> 00:34:45,559
experience he said the people he
894
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,959
interviewed they were sane people they
895
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:50,679
weren't they didn't have any um mental
896
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,918
problems um and the thing that he found
897
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:55,720
very surprising was they were having
898
00:34:52,918 --> 00:34:57,440
very similar experiences so he said what
899
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,199
and I saw him on the show well what is
900
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,720
this phenomenon how do we explain like
901
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,960
it's a real phenomenon is what he was
902
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,239
saying it's a real psychological
903
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,240
phenomenon how do I explain it yeah
904
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,039
couple of things so we've kind of said
905
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,479
the US government and polls in America
906
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,599
let me just say this is a worldwide
907
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,320
phenomenon so all the governments know
908
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:15,720
about it um but it's the US government
909
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,400
at the moment that's actually kind of
910
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,039
let the cat out of the bag and have
911
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,920
opened a Pandora's Box I believe um but
912
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:26,559
you're talking about uh Dr John Mack
913
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,880
deceased now so he was not a Believer
914
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,719
he's a psychiatrist and he'd heard this
915
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,640
story about people claiming alleged
916
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,439
alien abductions and there was a UFO
917
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:37,319
researcher called Bud Hopkins he appears
918
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,240
in our movie who was interviewing these
919
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,440
what alleged abductees he was
920
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:45,078
hypnotizing them so he was regressing
921
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,519
their memories supposedly trying to
922
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,800
account for what was happening during
923
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:52,239
this missing time between you know when
924
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,160
they saw an alien standing in their room
925
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,799
and they wake up hours later and they
926
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:58,879
can't remember so he thought oh this is
927
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,960
is an interesting psychological
928
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,079
phenomenon to study but then when he
929
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,400
followed Bud Hopkins around he did he
930
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,640
found they all had very similar
931
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,200
experiences uh we have footage of him on
932
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:14,400
the Oprah Winfrey Show he says it's not
933
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:17,598
fantasy it's not lies these people are
934
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,680
suffering genuine post-traumatic stress
935
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:22,039
symptoms and the only thing that
936
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:25,519
expresses itself like that from a
937
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:27,838
medical point of view is real experience
938
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:29,199
so he ended up becoming a believer in it
939
00:36:27,838 --> 00:36:31,279
and one of the world's leading
940
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:35,078
researchers in that in this and he wrote
941
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,720
a book about abductions and so in one of
942
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:39,839
the interviews he's being interviewed by
943
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,078
a fellow psychiatrist and this blew me
944
00:36:39,838 --> 00:36:44,000
away because the best of my knowledge
945
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,880
he's not a Christian he's researching
946
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,239
this from again from his naturalistic
947
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,119
worldview but he basically makes the
948
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,239
claim in this interview that we are
949
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:54,358
dealing with Spirit beings I'm
950
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:58,279
paraphrasing coming to us from another
951
00:36:54,358 --> 00:37:00,279
realm or Dimension yeah why based upon
952
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,560
the actual evidence of what is happening
953
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,440
to these people yeah and this is right
954
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:08,400
in the Wheelhouse of Christianity Scott
955
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,440
yeah and I would like to explain why why
956
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:14,000
that is well as I said the Bible's
957
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,880
always talked about another dimension
958
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,199
and we've had visitors from that
959
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:22,318
Dimension and they're called Angels good
960
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:24,960
ones bad ones and the cultural view of
961
00:37:22,318 --> 00:37:27,440
angels is these ethereal Spirit beings
962
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,039
with fairy wings and whatever but show
963
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,760
me in the Bible whe they ever appear
964
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:34,838
like that they appear physically you
965
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,280
know three sit down with Abraham and eat
966
00:37:34,838 --> 00:37:39,519
food does that mean they have physical
967
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,800
bodies and stomach organs and digestive
968
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:44,440
tracts but here's the other thing they
969
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,440
affect our environment think about God's
970
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:50,800
destroying angel in Egypt bringing
971
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:53,119
plagues against nature for example uh
972
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,839
recently CMI creation ministry as we
973
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,760
conducted a tour of Israel we saw some
974
00:37:54,838 --> 00:37:59,159
of the archaeological evidence there of
975
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,319
the Assyrians and the story says that
976
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:04,199
when they tried to get attack Jerusalem
977
00:38:01,318 --> 00:38:08,400
one of God's angels killed
978
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:11,679
187,000 Assyrian soldiers in one night
979
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,000
right so very very powerful beings what
980
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:16,279
we see in the UFO phenomenon is very
981
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,358
very powerful phenomena affecting our
982
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,440
realm but when I said there's good and
983
00:38:18,358 --> 00:38:23,799
bad Angels well God's angels always
984
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,280
bring a message that is consistent with
985
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:29,119
what we'd read in God's word yes but the
986
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:32,880
bad guys what's their job they're there
987
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:37,079
to deceive and deflect and to take
988
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:39,680
people's eyes away from the Creator and
989
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:41,720
one of the key points when it comes to
990
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:44,358
abductees or alleged abductees in fact
991
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,078
we don't like to call them that because
992
00:38:44,358 --> 00:38:48,078
to be frank they're not being abducted
993
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:50,560
by aliens they're experiencing something
994
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:53,359
so we call them experiences but they're
995
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:55,719
told stories and John Mack a
996
00:38:53,358 --> 00:38:58,199
non-Christian researcher found this out
997
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,318
and he says after their experiences and
998
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:03,078
some of them are ongoing and multiple
999
00:39:00,318 --> 00:39:05,159
they become evangelists for their aliens
1000
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:07,280
cause they're told told story like the
1001
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:10,078
aliens are the creators or we've been
1002
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,480
overseeing human evolution for millions
1003
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:14,400
of years and and I've chosen you and
1004
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,480
you're special and I've got a job for
1005
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,000
you now we just need to think about that
1006
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,639
for a moment if you've you don't know
1007
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,199
Jesus you've never read the Bible you've
1008
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:24,078
never been in a church a little gray
1009
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:25,559
entity stands at the bottom of your bed
1010
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,680
in the middle of the night and says
1011
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:29,039
you're special and you've not heard that
1012
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:30,358
before because you've not been in church
1013
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,719
so you've not heard God says you're
1014
00:39:30,358 --> 00:39:34,598
special so that's that's a life-changing
1015
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,480
experience for somebody yeah because I
1016
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:38,480
remember I every Christian will say When
1017
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,880
God says they're special that's an
1018
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,440
incredible life-changing experience but
1019
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,960
if you've not had that from your real
1020
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Creator God and so it it that's why
1021
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,760
their lives are changed wow and here's
1022
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,760
the thing it's not you had that
1023
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,119
experience last night it's not exactly
1024
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,160
something you can go to the office
1025
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,480
tomorrow and talk around the water
1026
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:55,799
cooler about you know let me tell you
1027
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,838
what happened to me last night I was
1028
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:02,640
abducted I was taken off to Zeta
1029
00:39:57,838 --> 00:40:04,960
reticular Etc so what happens is the the
1030
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,440
isolating experience drives them in
1031
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,000
deeper and then if they have another
1032
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,559
experience a similar encounter again
1033
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,480
it's the people that are doing the
1034
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:17,440
abusing to them and we haven't spoken
1035
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:19,480
much about that that become their allies
1036
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,599
well you're the only one that can
1037
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,599
understand because you're the one that's
1038
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:26,039
doing it to me and I can't tell anybody
1039
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:29,200
else and Mack and others found out that
1040
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:31,039
g these experiences are actually harmful
1041
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:34,439
that's why he mentioned post-traumatic
1042
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:36,920
stress syndrome Etc so they're abused
1043
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,679
they're sometimes sexually abused and
1044
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,760
assaulted uh it's very very sorted what
1045
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:43,639
happens to these people and un
1046
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,160
unfortunately but
1047
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:47,519
realistically um you know unlike many of
1048
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:49,399
my colleagues in the ministry because I
1049
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:52,318
spe specialize in this I've had these
1050
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,160
people come to me and tell me all of
1051
00:40:52,318 --> 00:40:56,039
these details of all of these things
1052
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,879
that have happened to them and just like
1053
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:59,599
Max
1054
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,720
you can find a pattern of these things
1055
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:03,880
that is is going on with people but as I
1056
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,919
say the harmful the experiences
1057
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,519
uniformly harmful deleterious some
1058
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,680
people were watching and they say well
1059
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:13,039
it wasn't for me you know maybe I had it
1060
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,799
and it was good but I guarantee give me
1061
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:17,440
10 minutes with them and I can point out
1062
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,000
where it would be harmful to them these
1063
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,599
experiences they the people that are ex
1064
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,318
having these experiences they often say
1065
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,200
that it's good and having something good
1066
00:41:25,318 --> 00:41:29,719
happen to them and the aliens as you
1067
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:31,078
mentioned the they're maybe more
1068
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,399
advanced and they're the ones that are
1069
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:36,400
overseeing human evolution and they're
1070
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,599
almost like the gods and it seems would
1071
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,480
you say it's kind of it also fills a
1072
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:42,359
spiritual void as we're becoming less
1073
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,719
spiritual in the western world because
1074
00:41:42,358 --> 00:41:47,119
in fact yeah you don't have to take my
1075
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,358
word for it ethologists have said that
1076
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,519
euphology has become a substitute
1077
00:41:49,358 --> 00:41:53,119
religion because guess what when we we
1078
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,920
talk about our World Views the key
1079
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,760
question to our World Views ultimately
1080
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,920
is where did I come from from yes am I
1081
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,079
evolved am I a cosmic accident or did
1082
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:05,039
God create me and and based upon that
1083
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:07,839
first question you'll determine your
1084
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:10,279
meaning and purpose in life and also
1085
00:42:07,838 --> 00:42:11,838
what happens to us when we die but the
1086
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,640
alien phenomenon can answer that
1087
00:42:11,838 --> 00:42:15,639
question too cuz if aliens are your
1088
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:17,358
creators they're telling you what your
1089
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,400
meaning and purpose is and they actually
1090
00:42:17,358 --> 00:42:21,679
have their own eschatology too you know
1091
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,480
I mean that's a we could do another
1092
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:25,639
whole talk on that because they're going
1093
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,199
to take people off to some utopian
1094
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,920
planet and we're all going to live in
1095
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:32,159
peace and Harmony and even abductees as
1096
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,680
bizarre as this sounds they'll say
1097
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:35,440
they've been up on the spaceship and
1098
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,039
they've met Jesus and Buddha and
1099
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,760
Muhammad and they're all living together
1100
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:41,558
in peace and Harmony there's this
1101
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:44,359
unifying kind of message which sounds
1102
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:46,800
really really good on the surface yeah
1103
00:42:44,358 --> 00:42:49,239
because it's this message of peace and
1104
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,359
and here's the thing because of the
1105
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:55,000
experience they actually the the victims
1106
00:42:52,358 --> 00:42:57,679
they defend bad behavior and this is
1107
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,760
common I mean take abusive relationships
1108
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:02,480
with people you know if some a wife is
1109
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,760
getting abused or something she'll often
1110
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,679
defend you know the person that's doing
1111
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,040
the abusing and there are terms like
1112
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:10,960
Stockholm syndrome where people get
1113
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:13,079
captured they get isolated in a room and
1114
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,880
they suddenly become en armored with
1115
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:17,000
their captor cause that's a medical
1116
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,599
phenomenon that's readily recognized
1117
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,440
Gary you said that we have the answer we
1118
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:23,599
have the answer as Christians so I guess
1119
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,119
we have the answer in the Bible what is
1120
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,599
the answer what's we've established this
1121
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:29,358
as a real phenomenon
1122
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:31,079
happens to many people what's the answer
1123
00:43:29,358 --> 00:43:33,279
well let me just repeat something too
1124
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,680
it's not a case where some people have
1125
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,200
accused well you're a Christian you're
1126
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:38,399
just trying to shoe Hornet within your
1127
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:41,000
Christian worldview we've established
1128
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,200
that the appearances of UFOs themselves
1129
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,119
seem to be Supernatural we're going to
1130
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:48,000
talk about the experience or have done
1131
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:50,880
about abductees and it being spiritual
1132
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:54,318
uh in nature and why are they giving
1133
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:57,519
messages to people about Jesus Christ
1134
00:43:54,318 --> 00:43:59,800
why are they obsessed with him this
1135
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:01,599
supposedly mythical religious figure why
1136
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,599
do aliens travel millions of light years
1137
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:05,880
to talk about Jesus I'm going to mention
1138
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:08,119
that but I want to read out some
1139
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,400
examples from scripture uh with some
1140
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:12,079
notes here because I said the Bible's
1141
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,000
always indicated there's another realm
1142
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,440
or Dimension the most famous visitor we
1143
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,280
ever had from that other realm was the
1144
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,880
Lord Jesus and he stood before Pilate
1145
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:25,240
during his trial and he said my kingdom
1146
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,760
is not of this world my kingdom is from
1147
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,519
another place
1148
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,280
uh the nature of angels we've discussed
1149
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:32,239
there are good ones there are bad ones
1150
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,839
people record the Bible records
1151
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,799
encounters with them and the Bible also
1152
00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:39,880
tells us never to seek after them there
1153
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,400
are multiple warnings in scripture not
1154
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:47,000
to seek after the starry host uh for
1155
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,880
example uh we talked about the uh the
1156
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,679
change in the nature of people how their
1157
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,599
World Views are Chang to a very very
1158
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:56,239
more definite
1159
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:58,960
non-Christian view like the Bible is
1160
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:03,118
really just an old kind of fuddy duddy
1161
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:06,000
book uh Jesus says in Matthew 24 false
1162
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:08,880
christs and false prophets will appear
1163
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,280
and perform Great Signs and miracles to
1164
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,039
deceive even the elect if that were
1165
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,440
possible who's the elect that's the
1166
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:17,480
church he talking about so there's a
1167
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,119
warning to be careful of some of these
1168
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,358
signs and wonders now I'm not saying
1169
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:24,039
that uniquely applies to the UFO
1170
00:45:21,358 --> 00:45:26,358
phenomenon but it could be part of that
1171
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:29,199
because if you are seeing things that
1172
00:45:26,358 --> 00:45:31,639
define naturalistic laws and you don't
1173
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:34,679
have a Christian worldview and you come
1174
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:36,279
up with ideas of Multiverse Etc then you
1175
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:39,279
think that aliens are visiting us and
1176
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:43,839
they're our creators um but here's the
1177
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,480
real kicker Scott there's over 400 cases
1178
00:45:43,838 --> 00:45:47,639
you know that I'm aware of with
1179
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,559
collaborators that I work with where
1180
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:52,679
these abductions have been halted by
1181
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:55,280
people calling on the name of Jesus
1182
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:57,239
Christ now I don't want to diminish
1183
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,760
people's experiences but you know I've
1184
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,719
had comments well you you wear an
1185
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,400
aluminum hat or aluminium hat and that
1186
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,279
can keep them away and you know that
1187
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,960
type of stuff no and in the movie we
1188
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,119
have the testimonies of these people who
1189
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,440
were having these experiences they were
1190
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:16,400
terrified and in the moment of Terror
1191
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:20,599
they recalled or uh called out to their
1192
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:23,760
childhood memories of who Jesus was and
1193
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:26,240
the instant his name was called it
1194
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,440
stopped okay so why do these aliens
1195
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:32,439
respond to Jesus exactly exactly and
1196
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,280
that indicates the spiritual nature of
1197
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,039
what is going on so the evidence is
1198
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,079
spiritual and then when we get to the
1199
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:40,719
level of abductions deceptive messages
1200
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:43,079
are being given to people but then when
1201
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,719
they're halted in the name of Jesus that
1202
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:47,400
is incredibly powerful and again when
1203
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,639
I'm saying that we've now got hundreds
1204
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:53,280
of testimonies and I can't mention names
1205
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:56,759
but I know people in the higher levels
1206
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:59,319
of UFO investigations that readily
1207
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:02,480
acknowledge this but because of their
1208
00:46:59,318 --> 00:47:05,558
positions they can't actually come
1209
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,318
forward and candidly reveal this so in
1210
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:09,839
some respects this is one of the best
1211
00:47:07,318 --> 00:47:11,800
kept secrets one of the guys my
1212
00:47:09,838 --> 00:47:14,440
colleagues my collaborators who worked
1213
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,519
on this when he found this out he wasn't
1214
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,800
a Christian at the time and he kind of
1215
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:22,000
said well okay what is it about Jesus
1216
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:24,200
that these aliens don't like and he rang
1217
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,280
up his colleagues in muon and said look
1218
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:27,719
we think we found something we've got
1219
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,519
these testimonies of people in the
1220
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,679
moment of their inductions they they
1221
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:34,920
said a prayer they sang A A Psalm A Hymn
1222
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:38,199
something re something Christian that
1223
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:40,519
was spiritual and the abductions stopped
1224
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:42,039
and you know so what is it about Jesus
1225
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:44,639
that they don't like and he found out
1226
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:47,159
that his colleagues in muon already knew
1227
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:49,480
about it wow and their simple answer was
1228
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:51,838
okay so aliens don't like Jesus big big
1229
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,280
deal so this is non-christians and muon
1230
00:47:51,838 --> 00:47:55,400
can you just say what what does mu muon
1231
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,079
is mutual UFO Network it's the world's
1232
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,000
larg UFO investigation group here in the
1233
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:02,200
US and they have um collaborators
1234
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,039
thousands all over the world
1235
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:06,318
investigating UFOs so non-Christian
1236
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:08,159
organization and they already recognize
1237
00:48:06,318 --> 00:48:09,440
that aliens respond to the name of Jesus
1238
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:10,318
but because they don't possess a
1239
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,760
Christian
1240
00:48:10,318 --> 00:48:15,119
worldview it's ignored and that's why I
1241
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,240
said I think we have the answer the
1242
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:20,640
evidence fits what we're seeing and then
1243
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,039
the personal testimonies of people
1244
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:25,000
calling on the name of Christ exactly
1245
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,358
why as one of them said and I said
1246
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,960
earlier if he's supposedly a mythical
1247
00:48:27,358 --> 00:48:33,838
religious figure why do these aliens
1248
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:36,199
fear his name so so Gary what um as
1249
00:48:33,838 --> 00:48:38,039
Christians what are these entities what
1250
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:39,399
are the what are these things that are
1251
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:42,279
appearing of course we shouldn't assume
1252
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,760
everyone readily understands yeah uh
1253
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:48,880
well we mentioned good Angels bad angels
1254
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:51,079
in the Bible so Satan is a fallen angel
1255
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,039
uh you know he can read the end of the
1256
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:55,599
good book just like you and I and he
1257
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,400
knows what his fate is and we tend to
1258
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,720
over complicate things I think sometimes
1259
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,318
as Christians he knows what his fate is
1260
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,118
he knows who God is he knows that his
1261
00:49:01,318 --> 00:49:07,519
creator he's that he is his creator so
1262
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:10,440
the only mechanism he has left to him is
1263
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:13,519
to take down as many of those whom God
1264
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:17,079
loves with him as he can now whether
1265
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:19,000
it's the UFO phenomenon false religions
1266
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:21,200
people involved in spiritism and all
1267
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,798
sorts of other psychic phenomena there
1268
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:26,199
are all ways that he can keep people
1269
00:49:23,798 --> 00:49:30,639
away from the TR truth
1270
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:33,118
and when you uh align that also with
1271
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:36,400
physical experiences that people have it
1272
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:38,640
becomes very very powerful and I found
1273
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,720
in fact Scott it's very very difficult
1274
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:42,480
to try to minister to these people we
1275
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,159
have we have the answer but sometimes we
1276
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,159
want to kind of grab them and and
1277
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,318
shoehorn it down their throat I guess
1278
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,960
just to summarize what you're saying
1279
00:49:47,318 --> 00:49:52,759
there is these uh Fallen Angels
1280
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,358
appearing as aliens so just just so
1281
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,920
we've got that clear now we know what
1282
00:49:54,358 --> 00:49:58,279
they are we know what the Bible says
1283
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,960
about them can you give some advice Gary
1284
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,760
to people that might be listening who
1285
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:05,400
have experienced themselves or they have
1286
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,839
other people they know who have
1287
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,358
experienced how how do we go about
1288
00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:11,880
helping these people um and obviously
1289
00:50:10,358 --> 00:50:13,759
we've got the truth we can tell them the
1290
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,400
truth but um I believe you got some
1291
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,799
insight to share with us on yeah we we
1292
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,079
can tell them the truth but I have to be
1293
00:50:16,798 --> 00:50:20,838
honest not going to be readily accepted
1294
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:22,839
where I think you can unpick it is in
1295
00:50:20,838 --> 00:50:24,960
the stories that they're told there's a
1296
00:50:22,838 --> 00:50:27,519
massive inconsistency you know person
1297
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,519
over here says aliens are our creators
1298
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,039
and they come from the padas and aliens
1299
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:33,358
are our creators and they come from
1300
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:36,318
Sirius or Orion they can't all be
1301
00:50:33,358 --> 00:50:38,798
telling the truth and I had an
1302
00:50:36,318 --> 00:50:40,519
experience in fact very very early on
1303
00:50:38,798 --> 00:50:43,000
just after the book was released I was
1304
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:44,519
on Coast to Coast originally from
1305
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,880
artbell in its day it was the most
1306
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:48,759
listened to Radio Show in America and
1307
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,838
they listen they discussed Bigfoot and
1308
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,000
all sorts of strange psychic and
1309
00:50:50,838 --> 00:50:54,960
spiritual weird phenomena and I and I
1310
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,280
confess this was like my first interview
1311
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,199
ever I was doing about aliens and I was
1312
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,079
interviewed uh in the early hours of the
1313
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:04,679
morning nationally broadcast across the
1314
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:07,079
US and then we had an hour of talk back
1315
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:08,919
and the first guy came on and he said Mr
1316
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:11,519
Bates he said I've been an experiencer
1317
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,159
since I was 6 years of age and this
1318
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:14,519
happened to me and that happened and I
1319
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:17,000
thought you know he's just loading the
1320
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:19,838
machine gun ready to and tell me I don't
1321
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,318
know what I'm talking about and I say
1322
00:51:19,838 --> 00:51:24,759
I'll never forget it cuz he turned
1323
00:51:21,318 --> 00:51:26,639
around he said and you're right he said
1324
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:29,319
how come I never saw this before he said
1325
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:31,879
they don't love me he said they treat me
1326
00:51:29,318 --> 00:51:34,960
horribly he said why did I listen to
1327
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,200
them wow and I tell you that was to this
1328
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,400
day still one of the most powerful
1329
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:41,679
testimonies that just someone being able
1330
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,480
to bring Clarity and saying just instead
1331
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:45,960
of being drawn deeper just stand back
1332
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,358
and have a look at what's being done to
1333
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,838
you have a have a look at what you're
1334
00:51:47,358 --> 00:51:52,480
being told is it consistent I've kind of
1335
00:51:49,838 --> 00:51:54,599
developed this little saying that I
1336
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,199
think there's three things we need to do
1337
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:59,599
if we encounter to someone who's had
1338
00:51:56,199 --> 00:52:03,078
these experiences and we need to listen
1339
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:05,160
we need to listen and we need to listen
1340
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:07,119
because if we automatically deny and say
1341
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:09,480
let me tell you what's happening to you
1342
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:11,559
they've had an experience you haven't
1343
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,719
had that so we need to empathize with
1344
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:15,680
them and say okay tell me what happens
1345
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and and this has happened to me hundreds
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of times even in churches people come
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along they see the sign that I'm
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speaking and they'll come up and they've
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never had closure so they are wanting
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answer
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as to what happened to them but you've
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got to kind of lead them along and let
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them find out for themselves so first
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part is tell me what happened to you and
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then you try to pick within that story
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The
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inconsistencies you know in the story
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that well they're really aliens and they
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they love you and they're benefiting you
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and they've chosen you uh Etc because
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once they start to doubt the experience
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themselves that's the only time the end
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can come about and then of course of
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course once you have that door open you
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can talk to them well have you heard
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about the fact that these experiences
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are Haled in the name of Jesus who's
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Jesus I've encountered that who's Jesus
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from teenagers non-Christian tej can you
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believe that so you have to explain to
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them who Jesus is well he's the Creator
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he's God manifest In the Flesh so if
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these are really fallen angels that were
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created by him he's the only one that
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can have power over them he's the only
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way you're going to put a stop to the
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experiences wow it's incredible that
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you've managed to have these unique um
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Ministry opportunities when I say
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Ministry ministering one-onone to people
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through talking about aliens never would
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have thought about it and uh I I never
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would have thought about it either when
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I started writing that book I I seen
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talk to people experienc things that U
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no no disrespect but some of my
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00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,440
colleagues have no idea yeah yeah cuz
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it's you just would have never thought
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that okay I'll talk about aliens and
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then I'll end up talk getting a teenager
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to ask me who is Jesus yeah and there's
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a a great opportunity and thanks for
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sharing about the on the radio Coast to
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Coast that man and that was the first
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interview you'd ever done first ever
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interview I'd ever done on Aliens I
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00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,599
wonder if that was meant to be an
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encouragement for you to keep going down
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this track but it's actually an area
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that as Christians we need to be more
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aware of and we need people like
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yourself um doing the research and
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00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,679
letting us know okay this is the reality
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of what's going on and this is how you
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engage with these people well I think
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it's important because we gave some
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testimonies in the movie where people
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had had experiences they' gone to the
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church now I'm I'm not here to criticize
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the church but they sometimes met
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pastors or Christians who had no idea of
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what was going on so they come up with
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answers well you're having a psych
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psychological or you know episode or
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something or you're being afflicted by a
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demon but to the person having the
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experience it's like no hang on that's
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that's not right I know what happened to
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me and so then the next thing they'll go
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off to one of those UFO research centers
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of which there's thousands all over the
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world and they get embraced because they
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say we got people just like you come on
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in welcome and again they they get
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driven deeper into the experience so
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that's why so important when we
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encounter them for the first time just
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to listen uh you know you by affirming
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their experience you're not affirming
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the deception of what they're told
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people can have a real experience but it
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can also be a deceptive experience so
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Gary we've talked about how to approach
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these people and that actually as
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Christians we can sympathize with them
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we can act because we believe the
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spiritual realm is real and we believe
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they having a real encounter whereas
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someone that's purely naturalistic
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mindset is not able to have the same
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empathy that we have and so we can come
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in with empathy but not only that we do
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have the answer and you've had some
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incredible times of being able to
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minister to these people and them even
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00:55:56,599 --> 00:56:00,960
seeing the truth and you've managed to
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00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,960
talk to people about Jesus now there
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00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,400
might be another set of people watching
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00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,838
who are experiencing at the moment
1450
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,838
Christian non-Christian but they're
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experiencing what would your what would
1452
00:56:08,838 --> 00:56:15,838
you say to those people um well Scott
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the first thing I'd say is it Grieves me
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that people are having these
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experiences and it might be really
1456
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troubling for them to hear you and I
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speak and say well it's not what you
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think that some how it invalidates it
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that's not what I'm saying you know
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because I've met them Etc but but if you
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are watching and you've had these types
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of
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experiences what I would say to you is
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if you have been watching all along that
1465
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we're talking about a spiritual realm
1466
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naturalism Evolution can't give an
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00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,000
account for the spiritual realm the
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Bible has always said there is a
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spiritual realm God himself is spirit
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and when Jesus came he came to save us
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from these types and forms of deceptions
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and the only reason he can do that is
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because he is the creator what tends to
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happen folks is I think uh you know we
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00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:14,519
look up in the night sky and we wonder I
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00:57:12,318 --> 00:57:17,480
wonder what else is out there but Psalm
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191 says the heavens declare the glory
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of God and I would like to suggest that
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when you look up out there you think
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about the one who made at all because
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only the creator has the power to save
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us amen thank you Gary that's amazing
1483
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:38,439
and thank you so much for being here
1484
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,520
thank you for doing the research on
1485
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,880
behalf of the church and behalf of the
1486
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:44,358
people that are going to benefit from
1487
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,838
this um I just thank you for putting
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your time I know you've put Blood Sweat
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and Tears into this um and as you say if
1490
00:57:48,318 --> 00:57:52,838
people want to find out more there's the
1491
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movie Alien intrusion Y and the book
1492
00:57:52,838 --> 00:57:57,960
yeah the book is alien intrusion
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UFOs and the evolution connection and
1494
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the movies alien intrusion unmasking a
1495
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deception and they're both available
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from
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creation.com um as DVD as a book and you
1498
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:11,960
can even stream them and ebook also
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brilliant thanks so much Gary this has
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been really valuable time really eye
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openening no matter whether we're an
1502
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,520
experiencer or we've not heard about
1503
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:21,358
this subject before I think there's a
1504
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:24,159
lot for people to learn here thank you
1505
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thank you if you enjoyed my interview
1506
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with Gary then I've got a follow-up
1507
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interview for you in this interview I
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Ask Gary some of the most asked
1509
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,720
questions and objections on this topic
1510
00:58:32,358 --> 00:58:37,400
but I only give him 60 seconds to answer
1511
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each question what's the story with Area
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51 what's the deal with crop circles how
1513
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:45,519
does someone stop an alien abduction
1514
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:47,038
experience we reckon this is going to be
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useful because a lot of people don't
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want to sit around and listen to a long
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answer but you likely have friends and
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family who you want to give answers to
1519
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and so if that's you click on the link
1520
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in the video or in the description we're
1521
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going to give you access to this
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Resource as well as our email
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service
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